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| 03:25.06 | igcewieling | "I had no doubt he'd make a very effective Fed, since being a lying self righteous bastard came naturally to him." <-- sometimes I love libertarian action fantasy |
| 03:32.05 | Samot | ? |
| 03:32.39 | igcewieling | a quote from an audio book I'm listening to. |
| 03:33.28 | igcewieling | It is a a somewhat USA-centric quote, I admit. |
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| 14:27.38 | dan_j | Hi. I have an [incomingcalls] context. In that context I'm dialling two Local channels. In Asterisk 11, this resulted in one CDR entry for the [incomingcalls] dialplan, and two entries for each of the local channels. |
| 14:28.51 | dan_j | But in 13, I end up with two CDR records for the [incomingcalls] dialplan and two entries for the Local channels dialplan. How can I reduce this to one entry to one for the [incomingcalls] part? |
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| 15:18.08 | file | CDRs in 13 changed, their behavior is documented in a specification on a wiki now |
| 15:18.16 | file | er on the wiki |
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| 15:29.25 | Samot | I thought it was 12 it was changed when adaptive came out? |
| 15:30.08 | Samot | There are not 13 Specifications listed or a section in the wiki. |
| 15:31.03 | file | it was 12 |
| 15:31.16 | file | but most people don't think about 12 or used it, so I just say 13 |
| 15:31.54 | Samot | ) |
| 15:31.55 | Samot | :0 |
| 15:31.57 | Samot | I get that. |
| 15:32.09 | Samot | But the Wiki doesn't have a 13 specification so you need to look in 12 :) |
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| 18:36.22 | nickgaw | Hi, When I just went to the asterisk site to download the current source why is it pointing me to version 14 I thought that was not as stable as 13 or for a home user would 14 work fine? |
| 18:41.59 | nickgaw | In ther asterisk book it does not talk about what good speech recongnission engines work well with sterisk or are there servers where you can send the information and a remote service does the processing and returns the results to sterisk? |
| 18:42.40 | Samot | 13 is LTS |
| 18:43.00 | Samot | 14 is Standard, which is a one year life cycle. |
| 18:43.09 | Samot | Either is fine. |
| 18:43.55 | Samot | As far as TTS goes, you will probably need to pay for a service that works with Asterisk. Cepstral is one, but the free TTS engines are awful. |
| 18:44.49 | nickgaw | I am talking about speech to test where a user talks to the system like you do a lot to drug stores. |
| 18:45.42 | nickgaw | Is 14 newer then 13 in terms of newer features? |
| 18:46.38 | Samot | It has new stuff that will go LTS in 15 |
| 18:47.00 | Samot | Well, SR or STT and TTS are in the same boat. |
| 18:47.08 | Samot | Anything decent is going to cost you. |
| 18:48.20 | nickgaw | Basically I am having to go with asterisk as I moved and wanted to keep my land line numbers so we had to go with a sip company and currently the numbers are forwarding to cell phones but we would like to use a real asterisk system so we can have voice mails on a land line type of a setup would 14 work fine for such a setup or should I download 13? |
| 18:51.20 | Samot | Either is fine. |
| 18:51.52 | nickgaw | I use text to speech as I am totally blind and yes the good quality synthisizers do cost but I think they are worth the cost. I like the openness of asterisk as you are not limited by the company on the amount of messages you can store. do you ever do private work on home asterisk virtual private servers? |
| 18:52.00 | Samot | 13 will go end of life in the next year or two... |
| 18:52.06 | Samot | By then 15 will be released. |
| 18:52.32 | Samot | All of _my_ servers are in the cloud. |
| 18:53.13 | nickgaw | What company do you use to host your servers? |
| 18:53.36 | Samot | DigitalOcean, AWS, Linode and Vultr. |
| 18:54.23 | nickgaw | I know digitalocean does not have phone support if I should ever need it do any of the others besides AWS? |
| 18:55.22 | Samot | Because even if there was phone support, a lot of what you need would fall under "paid" |
| 18:56.12 | nickgaw | Usually I don't need phone support but I would like a hosting company that does offer it should I need it for reloading the virtual private server. |
| 18:56.53 | Samot | That's the thing. |
| 18:57.06 | Samot | That's not a support "service" |
| 18:57.27 | nickgaw | I am not talking about the asterisk support mainly if I needed help with the virtual private server like reloading it or something not related to asterisk. |
| 18:57.30 | Samot | Spinning up a VM is totally handle via their portals and it takes less than 5 minutes. |
| 18:57.34 | Samot | I know that. |
| 18:57.45 | Samot | That's not a support issue. |
| 18:57.52 | Samot | It would be paid, even with phone support. |
| 18:57.59 | Samot | That would be considered "remote hands" |
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| 18:58.41 | Samot | You need a reseller that will do this for you. |
| 18:58.47 | Samot | Or hire someone to help you. |
| 18:59.44 | Samot | That is just how it is. |
| 19:02.03 | Samot | Sigh. I feel bad for the guy. |
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| 19:05.46 | nickgaw | If I want to go on the bleeding edge what is the repo or git clone url for the asterisk repository? |
| 19:08.42 | Samot | I actually don't know the guidelines or rules for pull from the git repo. |
| 19:09.07 | nickgaw | so is 14 the latest I can probably get? |
| 19:10.32 | drmessano | If you have concerns about needing a VM reloaded and hand holding |
| 19:10.39 | drmessano | Why would you go "Bleeding Edge" for Asterisk? |
| 19:10.50 | drmessano | Use something that's more stable |
| 19:12.44 | Samot | It's not hand holding he really needs. |
| 19:13.13 | Samot | It's the fact his screen reading software isn't playing nice with a lot of their portal GUIs. |
| 19:13.40 | Samot | Which makes using the portal to reload/spin up VMs problematic. |
| 19:14.20 | Samot | I totally get the want/need for what he is looking for. |
| 19:14.59 | Samot | Unfortunately, he's an individual case that falls outside the business model that all these places basically use. |
| 19:15.04 | nickgaw | Digitalocean is not very screen reader friendly |
| 19:15.36 | Samot | So he either needs to hire/find someone to help him or find a VM reseller that will take the extra time for him. |
| 19:15.48 | Samot | That's basically your options, nickgraw. |
| 19:16.03 | nickgaw | I have the asterisk book 4th version but it talks about 11 should lots of that information still apply to version 13 or 14? |
| 19:16.21 | Samot | In regards to a lot of it, yes. |
| 19:16.39 | nickgaw | What in that book is no longer valid? |
| 19:16.59 | Samot | It's not that it's no longer valid overall. |
| 19:17.02 | Samot | PJSIP was in 12 |
| 19:17.09 | Samot | Adaptive CDRs were in 12 |
| 19:17.23 | Samot | Opus is in 14 |
| 19:17.26 | Samot | etc, etc. |
| 19:17.27 | nickgaw | I know about pjsip and plan to set that up as a sip driver so it is around. |
| 19:17.56 | Samot | Things like Ring Groups, IVRs, dialplan, etc haven't changed. |
| 19:18.06 | nickgaw | Would you considder 14 to be stable or 13 to be stable? |
| 19:18.15 | Samot | They are BOTH STABLE |
| 19:18.24 | Samot | They are both stable releases. |
| 19:18.37 | nickgaw | Is 14 the latest I can get in terms of newest features? |
| 19:18.50 | Samot | 13 is LTS which is Long Term Support. So it will get security and bug fixes, etc until it's end of life cycles. |
| 19:19.11 | Samot | 14 is Standard. It will have new features but it only has a 1 year life cycle. |
| 19:19.25 | Samot | Those features will be pushed to 15 for LTS. |
| 19:19.53 | Samot | 14 is higher than 13, so yes. |
| 19:20.11 | nickgaw | Where is a good place to search for asterisk workers if once I finish the book I still have questions or want something more advanced? |
| 19:20.24 | Samot | Freelance sites. |
| 19:21.07 | nickgaw | I would want someone who know about asterisk pritty well. |
| 19:21.30 | Samot | You're the one that's going to be hiring them. |
| 19:21.48 | nickgaw | yes |
| 19:21.58 | Samot | Those sites are like Craig's List. |
| 19:22.15 | Samot | They'll have resumes, work history, ratings for people that have hired them.. |
| 19:22.16 | nickgaw | but I don't want to hire someone who does not know about what I am looking for and just want my money. |
| 19:22.26 | nickgaw | good point |
| 19:22.39 | drmessano | That's the whole point of learning it yourself |
| 19:22.50 | drmessano | Pay real money and hire someone reputable, or learn it yourself |
| 19:22.51 | Samot | It's how most the VoIP providers I have as clients found me. |
| 19:22.57 | drmessano | You have exactly 2 options, pick one |
| 19:23.11 | nickgaw | Have you used any of those sites and if so can you suggest one? |
| 19:23.17 | drmessano | But I stand by what I said about not picking something bleeding edge |
| 19:23.26 | drmessano | Go with something stable and not a moving target |
| 19:23.30 | Samot | 2:22:52 PMÂ <Samot>Â It's how most the VoIP providers I have as clients found me. |
| 19:24.12 | Samot | nickgraw: Google "hire freelancer sites" |
| 19:24.25 | drmessano | nickgaw: You've been coming in here for years basically in the same place. Time to decide if you're going to learn it or just pay someone |
| 19:24.48 | nickgaw | I don't mind paying money for good work if they can get the job done currectly. Basically I don't mind learning it on my own but don't want to put people calling my house into a mess when our phones no longer ring because I broke something. |
| 19:25.00 | Samot | Pretty much all the freelancer sites require the freelancers to cough up money and offer payment protection. |
| 19:25.10 | Samot | As long as you use the service the PAY them. |
| 19:25.26 | nickgaw | that is totally fine with me. |
| 19:25.38 | Samot | So you're protected from someone "taking" your money. |
| 19:25.58 | nickgaw | that is what I was trying to say in a nice way. |
| 19:26.13 | Samot | You pay the freelance service.. |
| 19:26.17 | Samot | they pay the freelancer. |
| 19:26.32 | Samot | It's basically "Online Temp Services" |
| 19:26.39 | nickgaw | ok so you don't deal directly with the person who is doing the work? |
| 19:26.43 | Samot | YES |
| 19:26.54 | Samot | But you use the freelance service to handle payments |
| 19:26.58 | nickgaw | I mean as far as payment goes. |
| 19:27.04 | Samot | No. |
| 19:27.09 | Samot | you do not pay them directly. |
| 19:27.25 | nickgaw | makes sence and that makes me feel better. |
| 19:27.33 | Samot | they hold the payment in escrow. |
| 19:27.48 | Samot | You have 14 days after the "request payment" is made to deny it |
| 19:27.55 | Samot | Or just let it go through. |
| 19:28.04 | Samot | Generally, timeframes may change. |
| 19:28.08 | Samot | Depending on the service. |
| 19:29.18 | Samot | You can hire per project or hourly. They have to use the services time trackers in order to be guaranteed payments. |
| 19:29.37 | Samot | Well for hourly pretty much. |
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| 19:35.04 | nickgaw | what freelance services have you used and have good luck with? |
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| 21:36.47 | tuxd00d | Samot: drmessano: SonicWalls are know for closing SIP ports in their default configuration, correct? |
| 21:37.56 | tuxd00d | Which causes âUNREACHABLEâ after a short period in âsip show peersâ. |
| 21:39.06 | [TK]D-Fender | no |
| 21:39.22 | igcewieling | I suspect the unreachable is not caused by blocked packets. I suspect the firewall is closing the UDP NAT translations created by the outbound packet. |
| 21:39.29 | [TK]D-Fender | they have a SIP ALG which you should disable |
| 21:39.48 | [TK]D-Fender | This sounds more like improper NAT config on your * itself |
| 21:40.03 | igcewieling | an ugly, but easy hack is to set qualifyfreq=30 in sip.cof. To fix it correctly, the UDP NAT translation timeout needs to be increased. |
| 21:40.26 | igcewieling | (on the firewall) |
| 21:40.33 | [TK]D-Fender | freq isn't the issue |
| 21:45.35 | tuxd00d | [TK]D-Fender: Could you point me the direction of what part of the configuration might need correction? |
| 21:46.04 | [TK]D-Fender | You've been here long enough |
| 21:46.22 | [TK]D-Fender | You should be showing the FAILURE or regular comms |
| 21:46.24 | tuxd00d | igcewieling: The freq at 30 doesnât fix it. |
| 21:46.31 | [TK]D-Fender | so we can see if you've clearly screwed something specific up |
| 21:46.57 | igcewieling | tuxd00d: then check into SIP ALG like [TK]D-Fender suggested. |
| 21:48.27 | tuxd00d | The clientâs IT company wonât allow me access to the router. I can only suggest changes. I was going to suggest the obvious like ALG, but didnât know of anyone has specific issues with SonicWalls. |
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| 21:49.12 | [TK]D-Fender | they work fine with it off |
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| 21:56.06 | drmessano | Yep |
| 21:56.09 | drmessano | Disable ALG |
| 21:56.14 | drmessano | Anything else is the Asterisk config |
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| 22:03.29 | tuxd00d | http://pastebin.ca/3772682 I noticed the restransmitting. |
| 22:04.43 | Samot | *12?? |
| 22:04.45 | Samot | Ugh. |
| 22:04.47 | Samot | Ugly. |
| 22:05.25 | tuxd00d | Yep, itâs scheduled for an update. |
| 22:06.53 | Samot | Even for the 12 branch, it's out of date. |
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| 22:21.51 | [TK]D-Fender | show us the peer |
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| 22:29.33 | tuxd00d | [TK]D-Fender: http://pastebin.ca/3772692 |
| 22:30.47 | [TK]D-Fender | loks mostly fine. |
| 22:31.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Should have "directmedia=no" |
| 22:31.21 | [TK]D-Fender | but shouldn't be related to timing out |
| 22:31.27 | [TK]D-Fender | so go make sure the ALG is off on the SW |
| 22:31.31 | tuxd00d | Itâs more aggresive on keep alives than Iâd like |
| 22:31.40 | [TK]D-Fender | And you shouldn't need |
| 22:34.39 | tuxd00d | Iâll put in a requets to the their hired IT to look at ALG, and such . Thanks for you help. |
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