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| 01:57.34 | Samot | drmessano! |
| 01:57.45 | drmessano | ?? |
| 01:57.56 | Samot | I just had an awesome idea. |
| 01:58.46 | Samot | Let's bring back POTS lines as a "Vintage/Retro Phone" service. |
| 01:58.59 | Samot | The hipsters will fall over themselves to have them. |
| 01:59.59 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 02:00.07 | Samot | And pay out the ass for it. |
| 02:00.16 | drmessano | Just sell them an ATA and service? |
| 02:00.30 | drmessano | Retro Telephone Adapter |
| 02:00.47 | drmessano | Allow pulse dialing |
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| 02:01.11 | Samot | Phone jack sales would skyrocket. |
| 02:01.28 | drmessano | Thats pretty hardcore |
| 02:01.30 | Samot | "I have SIX jack" |
| 02:01.38 | Samot | "Well I have EIGHT" |
| 02:02.05 | drmessano | Just need an ATA with a REN of like 20 |
| 02:02.09 | Samot | "DAMN IT. Honey, remind me to get two more when I get Kale tomorrow" |
| 02:02.35 | Samot | I used to just wire ATAs into the DMARC. |
| 02:02.43 | Samot | Lit up all the jacks. |
| 02:02.53 | drmessano | "OMG THE HANDSET AND KEYPAD ARE SEPARATE!!!" |
| 02:03.01 | Samot | Hahaha. |
| 02:03.03 | Samot | Yeah. |
| 02:03.24 | drmessano | Dude |
| 02:03.28 | Samot | "Wait, it JUST does calls?!" |
| 02:03.31 | drmessano | Check this out |
| 02:03.32 | Samot | "NO WAY!" |
| 02:03.47 | drmessano | I would wire the black/yellow everywhere |
| 02:03.56 | drmessano | take a 2 line adapter |
| 02:04.02 | drmessano | Plug it into line 1 in the ATA |
| 02:04.24 | drmessano | Wire a SHORT pigtail that on one end is in 1+2 and the other end is in 3+4 |
| 02:04.31 | drmessano | Plug it into the 2 line adapter |
| 02:04.40 | Samot | Nice. |
| 02:04.45 | Samot | Two lines on all the jacks. |
| 02:04.46 | drmessano | Then you can run a 4-wire pigtail to a jack |
| 02:04.48 | drmessano | and feed the house |
| 02:04.57 | drmessano | Nice and compact |
| 02:05.03 | Samot | Yup. |
| 02:06.10 | drmessano | The only stinker was having to wire a piece of silver satin 1+2 <---> 3+4 for the Line 2 devices |
| 02:06.17 | drmessano | Which in most cases was a Fax or a kids room |
| 02:06.54 | drmessano | I will say this |
| 02:07.00 | drmessano | as I tell a lot of people |
| 02:07.10 | Samot | Put like 3 ATAs some place, give them static IPs and use the ATA's failover to make a poor mans huntgroup. |
| 02:07.11 | drmessano | Last ice storm we had.. which for the South is our "big deal" |
| 02:07.22 | drmessano | We had data over cellular |
| 02:07.24 | Samot | Yeah, I know. |
| 02:07.28 | drmessano | But no voice |
| 02:07.32 | drmessano | We had internet |
| 02:07.41 | Samot | So you still had voice. |
| 02:07.42 | drmessano | So the PSTN is going to be useless |
| 02:07.57 | Samot | Well I don't know how fast the core would be replaced.. |
| 02:07.57 | drmessano | At least from cellular |
| 02:08.13 | drmessano | So I have sold a lot of people on getting an ATA |
| 02:08.15 | Samot | But using copper to connect locations to COs... |
| 02:08.19 | drmessano | and getting Flowroute |
| 02:08.25 | Samot | I doubt that will last much longer. |
| 02:08.30 | drmessano | Especially for E911 |
| 02:09.05 | drmessano | Lot of people dont realize how may towers we have that are data-only or even on the combines sites how few voice channels there are |
| 02:09.12 | drmessano | combned |
| 02:10.15 | drmessano | Other than being a phone geek, having VoIP at home makes sense. I keep 2 ITSPs hot just to have a backup |
| 02:10.27 | Samot | Yes. |
| 02:10.29 | drmessano | When SHTF I know I will be able to make calls |
| 02:10.32 | Samot | But then again.. |
| 02:10.40 | Samot | Like I said, using copper is fading... |
| 02:10.52 | Samot | Even ATT is using IP. |
| 02:10.58 | drmessano | Sure |
| 02:11.06 | Samot | Like the wires they run basically is for data now. |
| 02:11.59 | drmessano | But for the foreseeable future, most of your mobile devices will be channelized |
| 02:12.13 | drmessano | VoLTE isn't here yet |
| 02:12.35 | drmessano | So when you have a disaster, those cell sites will run out of channels quick |
| 02:13.48 | Samot | Well part of the problem is going to be education and people learning that just because it's delivered over the Internet it doesn't make it free. |
| 02:14.16 | Samot | Because ATT, Comcast and the like are taking the short cut and it's just "phone service" |
| 02:14.23 | Samot | And the delivery method is fine print. |
| 02:15.25 | Samot | Because I think the sad truth is, people would have a meltdown if they heard the entire PSTN was going IP. |
| 02:15.55 | Samot | The fringe whack jobs would have a field day. |
| 02:18.06 | Samot | But the PSAPs would love it. |
| 02:20.51 | Samot | Because there are still PSAPs that don't support E911 despite wanting to. |
| 02:28.38 | aandrew | oh lord |
| 02:28.41 | aandrew | vintage phones |
| 02:28.43 | aandrew | heh |
| 02:29.04 | aandrew | you could even advertise premium robbed bit signaling to enhance your retro modem experiences |
| 02:38.55 | Samot | No, using a modem is just silly. Even hipsters *know* that. |
| 02:40.16 | aandrew | how would a hipster show off his vintage computer skills if not with an acoustic coupled bell 103? |
| 02:40.26 | Samot | Hell, even WIMPy knows that and he wants phone service to go back to 1950. |
| 02:40.45 | aandrew | god I remember wanting the old c64 1200 baud modem so badly |
| 02:40.58 | Samot | He wants to have Unas manually connect you to your party. |
| 02:41.31 | aandrew | I think file should put an old analog line in his house. debugging the iaxy was so much fun |
| 02:42.56 | Samot | What does an analog line have to do with IAX? |
| 02:43.01 | Samot | Except that they are outdated. |
| 02:43.06 | Samot | <RIM SHOT> |
| 02:43.49 | aandrew | oh wait, you're right. iaxy was fxs only |
| 02:43.55 | Samot | WTF? |
| 02:44.01 | aandrew | it was the tdm400 modules that could be fxs or fxo |
| 02:44.05 | Samot | FXS = ANALOG |
| 02:44.08 | aandrew | yes |
| 02:44.13 | Samot | IAX = IP |
| 02:44.16 | aandrew | yes |
| 02:44.21 | aandrew | iaxy = fxs-iax gateway |
| 02:45.14 | Samot | Ahh. |
| 02:45.30 | Samot | I just thought that was your cute nickname for IAX. |
| 02:45.34 | aandrew | no no no |
| 02:45.47 | Samot | You seem like the type that gives things cute nicknames. |
| 02:45.58 | Samot | Mostly inanimate things, but still. |
| 02:46.01 | aandrew | I was probably the last greatest fan of iax. it was such a nice protocol |
| 02:46.13 | aandrew | hung on to it for probably a lot longer than I should have |
| 02:46.22 | aandrew | heh |
| 02:46.23 | Samot | No, WIMPy still breathes. |
| 02:46.46 | Samot | And icewieling. |
| 02:46.58 | Samot | They will have to pry IAX from their dead, cold hands. |
| 02:46.59 | aandrew | so there are still holdouts? |
| 02:47.23 | aandrew | that's exactly how I felt about the tdm400 too |
| 02:47.24 | drmessano | Theres hope |
| 02:47.31 | drmessano | PJIAX - 2025 |
| 02:47.38 | aandrew | haha |
| 02:48.04 | Samot | For people with 3M/384K DSL. |
| 02:48.05 | aandrew | I thought the US exhausted the hope/change thing and fully embraced "well nothign else worked, why not?" 2016 |
| 02:49.05 | aandrew | where we live now I called Bell to ask about DSL for a backup internet |
| 02:49.16 | drmessano | Hope != Socialism |
| 02:49.23 | drmessano | Guess you can only believe that for so long |
| 02:49.26 | aandrew | they took the postal code and told me I could get 3M/384k for $80/mo |
| 02:49.47 | Samot | Then you're in a remote location. |
| 02:49.47 | aandrew | they weren't at all interested in derating their price to match the level of service they'd provide |
| 02:49.51 | aandrew | not at all |
| 02:50.16 | aandrew | I'm across the street from a major vocational college and 1km from one of the biggest highways in the province |
| 02:50.23 | aandrew | I'm just in an older neighbourhood |
| 02:50.26 | Samot | That don't mean anything. |
| 02:50.30 | aandrew | hell there's a damned remote pad 300m away from me |
| 02:50.36 | Samot | DSL is distance based. |
| 02:50.36 | aandrew | this street just isn't wired up to it |
| 02:50.40 | aandrew | oh I know |
| 02:50.51 | aandrew | I used to run an SDSL based ISP |
| 02:52.05 | Samot | And that's the fun of COs. |
| 02:52.16 | Samot | People living right next door to one.. |
| 02:52.18 | aandrew | yep |
| 02:52.32 | Samot | But their CO is 5K feet from them. |
| 02:52.54 | Samot | Because the house existed before the CO next to it. |
| 02:53.06 | aandrew | I like DSL; I like the fact that I can take any modem and plug it in and it works (none of this bullshit MAC registration crap that cable has), it seems to have more predictable/constant latencies as well |
| 02:53.29 | aandrew | *nods* |
| 02:53.44 | aandrew | last mile is a mess for any older neighbourhood |
| 02:55.01 | Samot | I used to do straight DS0 circuits from the CO in one city I was in. |
| 02:55.50 | aandrew | "straight DS0" - I know what a DS0 is but not in the sense of a standalone circuit |
| 02:56.55 | Samot | It's just a straight up 64K (?) circuit. |
| 02:57.09 | aandrew | the SDSL stuff I did was all true dry loop, not the dry loop they do now that has dialtone/voltage on it (which isn't dry loop at all) |
| 02:57.14 | Samot | I had presence in the CO. |
| 02:57.25 | aandrew | we were far, far too little to be able to get into the CO |
| 02:57.52 | Samot | So they just terminated the circuit to my network as location A and the end user's place as Location Z |
| 02:57.58 | aandrew | we had to settle for hte back room of a card shop that was across the street from the CO |
| 02:58.02 | aandrew | right |
| 02:58.23 | aandrew | but what's a DS0 circuit in terms of physical connection? is it dry loop? |
| 02:58.33 | Samot | It's just a circuit.. |
| 02:58.39 | Samot | 64K |
| 02:58.45 | aandrew | what equipment was on each end? |
| 02:59.05 | Samot | At the time, our CopperMountain in the CO |
| 02:59.23 | Samot | And the house/building NID. |
| 02:59.43 | Samot | Then wire a RJ11 from DMARC and plug into CPE |
| 02:59.56 | aandrew | interesting. it sounds very much like dry loop |
| 03:00.03 | Samot | Yes. |
| 03:00.06 | Samot | Sure. |
| 03:00.14 | Samot | As much as a T1 is a dry loop. |
| 03:00.25 | aandrew | I can't remember the SDSL DSLAM we used (I may have one in the garage still actually), and we liked the megabit modem 300s on the CPE |
| 03:00.30 | aandrew | https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81NWFM3F8rL._SX355_.jpg that one |
| 03:01.25 | aandrew | right; the T1s used HTU/HRUs for the ends I think |
| 03:01.44 | Samot | T1 = 24 channels at 64kbps. |
| 03:02.02 | Samot | Which means a T1 = 24 DS0 channels. |
| 03:02.03 | aandrew | but there were very very few "real" T1s back in the late 90s, they were all actually DS1s over ... |
| 03:02.18 | aandrew | I'm forgetting the physical coding, they were oding T1 over single pair of copper though |
| 03:02.20 | Samot | D-Carrier = Not US |
| 03:02.21 | aandrew | right |
| 03:02.31 | Samot | DS1 = T1 |
| 03:02.32 | aandrew | I used to know all this stuff cold |
| 03:02.34 | aandrew | yes |
| 03:02.49 | aandrew | DSx describes the logical part, T-carriers also specified the physical/electricla link |
| 03:03.05 | aandrew | much the same as RS232 vs NRZ UART |
| 03:03.32 | aandrew | before my time though they also had F carriers which were frequency divided rather than time divided |
| 03:04.39 | aandrew | I always thought it was kind of neat how they took 24 DS0s into a DS1, then 4 DS1s into a DS2 (which was a rare rare thing in the real world) and then 7 of those into a DS3 |
| 03:05.52 | aandrew | still kind of blows my mind that you could do 760someodd modems in a 6U chassis and fed with a pair of tiny coax cables |
| 03:06.02 | Samot | Here's what I remember about T1s, T3s, OC3s, etc.... |
| 03:06.03 | aandrew | 6U just filled with DSPs |
| 03:06.10 | Samot | I hated managing them. |
| 03:06.16 | aandrew | :-) |
| 03:07.01 | aandrew | I just liked geeking out on the hardware design |
| 03:07.38 | aandrew | even today with all these fast serial links (SATA, PCIe, etc.) it amazes me that you can shove so much bandwidth into pairs of tiny wires |
| 03:08.42 | aandrew | yet we still talk about 4kHz voice circuits, it's kind of like that saying about the width of a lane in a highway being related to the width of a horse's ass |
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| 03:11.31 | Katty | :> |
| 03:21.59 | aandrew | whoa there's a name I haven't seen in years |
| 03:22.03 | aandrew | how goes, Katty? |
| 03:22.55 | Katty | Just peachy |
| 03:22.58 | Katty | You? |
| 03:23.10 | aandrew | good. procrastinating by idling on IRC |
| 03:25.45 | Katty | Sounds about right :> |
| 03:26.07 | aandrew | are you still in OK? I think that's where you were |
| 03:26.46 | Katty | I was in mo |
| 03:26.57 | Katty | But I moved to KC couple years back |
| 03:27.17 | aandrew | ah. were you rollerderbying too? |
| 03:27.28 | Katty | Yep |
| 03:27.28 | Katty | Not anymore tho |
| 03:31.48 | aandrew | nice. the only real physical activity I have is chasing kids :-/ |
| 03:32.13 | aandrew | so what do you do in KC these days? |
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| 03:43.37 | drmessano | ugh |
| 03:49.20 | Katty | Hi danny |
| 03:49.31 | Katty | aandrew: oh ya know, work stuff |
| 03:49.40 | Katty | hugs drmessano |
| 03:49.46 | Katty | How's wifey |
| 03:49.48 | drmessano | Hi Katty |
| 03:49.55 | drmessano | She's great |
| 03:50.01 | Katty | Good! |
| 03:50.09 | drmessano | I see all your FB posts.. Looks like the same on your end |
| 03:50.20 | Katty | Yupyup |
| 03:50.37 | Katty | No complaints, cept the cold weather |
| 03:51.22 | drmessano | I was in Tulsa last month. Hate it for you midwestern people |
| 03:51.39 | Katty | What were you doin in Tulsa |
| 03:51.53 | drmessano | Training for work |
| 03:51.54 | Katty | Oh wait |
| 03:51.56 | Katty | Work stuff |
| 03:52.18 | Katty | I knew that :p |
| 03:52.22 | drmessano | lol |
| 03:52.45 | drmessano | If I had an extra day I would have done a drive-by |
| 03:52.51 | drmessano | But hell, I didnt even rent a car |
| 03:52.55 | Katty | You should have! |
| 03:52.57 | drmessano | UBER BABY |
| 03:52.59 | Katty | Maybe next time |
| 03:53.03 | drmessano | Absolutely |
| 03:53.10 | Katty | We can all go get beer |
| 03:53.45 | drmessano | Yeah, i'm trying to work out what my next trip is that way.. |
| 03:54.19 | Katty | Yeah |
| 03:54.35 | Katty | We went to Springfield a few months ago |
| 03:54.45 | Katty | Arcade games and beer |
| 03:55.20 | drmessano | Sounds awesome |
| 03:55.31 | Katty | Walked by a few bars and felt old lol |
| 03:55.37 | drmessano | I had my first bar arcade experience |
| 03:55.46 | drmessano | What a great concept |
| 03:56.03 | Katty | It is!! |
| 03:56.10 | drmessano | Get drunk and play games that pissed you off years ago |
| 03:56.37 | drmessano | If you think about it.. It's better than salted pretzels |
| 03:56.41 | drmessano | Because really |
| 03:56.50 | drmessano | Get drunk.. Frustrated.. Keep buying tokens |
| 03:56.55 | drmessano | and more beers |
| 03:56.59 | drmessano | and more tokens |
| 03:57.00 | Katty | Oh this place doesn't do that |
| 03:57.02 | drmessano | ....... |
| 03:57.07 | Katty | You just pay a cover to get in |
| 03:57.13 | drmessano | Oh very nice |
| 03:57.14 | Katty | And you buy your drinks |
| 03:57.19 | Katty | But it's free play |
| 03:57.30 | drmessano | Thats cool |
| 03:57.34 | Katty | Yep |
| 03:57.38 | drmessano | I think I blew 10 bucks of someone elses money |
| 03:57.43 | drmessano | Wasnt too bad |
| 03:58.03 | Katty | Probably go camping this summer |
| 03:58.15 | drmessano | Camping rocks |
| 03:58.30 | Katty | Ikr |
| 03:58.39 | Katty | We havent been in 2 years :/ |
| 03:58.49 | drmessano | Nor have I |
| 03:58.55 | Katty | Lame |
| 03:59.05 | drmessano | But the wife loves camping.. and not glamping |
| 03:59.11 | drmessano | grew up doing it |
| 03:59.16 | drmessano | Soo.. I cant wait |
| 03:59.23 | Katty | What's glamping |
| 03:59.50 | drmessano | When you buy all the camping stoves and expensive shit so you can go camping and it feels like home |
| 04:00.19 | Katty | Oohhh, right |
| 04:00.20 | drmessano | A camper would be considered glamping |
| 04:00.27 | Katty | Yeah we don't do that |
| 04:00.32 | aandrew | < drmessano> Get drunk and play games that pissed you off years ago |
| 04:00.34 | aandrew | hahaha |
| 04:00.37 | Katty | I take a cast iron pan tho |
| 04:00.47 | drmessano | ooooooh |
| 04:01.00 | drmessano | Yeah I have a coleman set. I want a cast iron |
| 04:01.09 | drmessano | Just never added it |
| 04:01.16 | Katty | It's nice. Has 3 legs |
| 04:01.31 | drmessano | The pan itself |
| 04:01.32 | drmessano | ? |
| 04:01.36 | Katty | Just sit it over the fire |
| 04:01.40 | drmessano | Oh wow |
| 04:01.45 | drmessano | THAT is very cool |
| 04:02.01 | Katty | Yeah lemme see if I can find it, sec |
| 04:02.52 | Katty | http://www.cabelas.com/product/Lodge-Logic-Pre-Seasoned-Tri-Leg-Dutch-Oven/714072.uts?productVariantId=1631643&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=50018078&rid=20&gclid=CLqC5prv1NECFYq2wAod1-UEDg&gclsrc=aw.ds |
| 04:04.02 | drmessano | Oh thats sexy |
| 04:04.11 | Katty | Mhmm |
| 04:04.25 | drmessano | It's wide so you just use it as a skillet, pot, everything, right? |
| 04:04.26 | Katty | Ok I'm out |
| 04:04.31 | Katty | Yep |
| 04:04.35 | Katty | Ttyl |
| 04:04.37 | drmessano | Nite Nite |
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| 05:36.41 | spicyramen | @Samot thanks, yes I understand MRCPv1 or 2 are the protocols, I meant a TTS equipment which support it. I found some info in http://www.unimrcp.org/ will give it a try. Thanks |
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