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| 00:34.32 | UncleKiwi | anyone here going to astricon |
| 00:35.24 | UncleKiwi | i think its far to expensive and that's not good |
| 00:37.32 | alfabit | was there in 2009 haven't been since ha |
| 00:39.57 | UncleKiwi | i wonder why they need to make the price so high |
| 00:40.19 | UncleKiwi | do they only want the elite turning up |
| 00:40.20 | alfabit | i was actually on the site just yesterday but didnt' even look at the prices...what are they? |
| 00:40.39 | UncleKiwi | i think for the cheap tickets its like 700USD |
| 00:40.41 | alfabit | probably. same thing with defcon it is not like the old days there either |
| 00:40.45 | alfabit | OMG haha |
| 00:40.57 | alfabit | yep corporate leaders only |
| 00:41.03 | UncleKiwi | thats bs |
| 00:41.15 | UncleKiwi | asterisk has been hijacked |
| 00:41.32 | UncleKiwi | ahaha |
| 00:42.07 | alfabit | any opinions on running * in place of a sip client or why that's not a good idea? |
| 01:05.39 | UncleKiwi | i have a couple sip clients (bria on android and bria on an iphone) they work most of the time really well but its a bit hit and miss its not really at a level where I can offer this as a quality service |
| 01:06.13 | UncleKiwi | i think its more the mobile networks going on and off and on and off |
| 01:06.33 | UncleKiwi | or can it be done really well ? |
| 01:06.52 | WIMPy | Do you rmember Windows 95? That was famous because it worked most of the time and it still was a massive success. |
| 01:07.43 | UncleKiwi | Hey WIMPy |
| 01:07.44 | WIMPy | Are you using SIP over TCP there? |
| 01:07.59 | UncleKiwi | i think its TLS |
| 01:08.11 | UncleKiwi | yes |
| 01:08.30 | WIMPy | You might have done everything possible then. |
| 01:08.45 | UncleKiwi | its really great |
| 01:08.54 | UncleKiwi | but im just curious if i can make it better |
| 01:09.12 | UncleKiwi | I only like to get my clients using really quality solutions |
| 01:09.29 | UncleKiwi | in the meantime I provide my family with this service |
| 01:09.32 | UncleKiwi | :) |
| 01:09.54 | WIMPy | Your're on the wrong track then. Or not serious about it. |
| 01:10.23 | UncleKiwi | what do you mean |
| 01:10.45 | UncleKiwi | yeah i think i need to get more serious about it |
| 01:11.22 | WIMPy | It's really great how much that SIP thing works. but it will never become anything reliable. |
| 01:12.22 | UncleKiwi | i wonder if i can use alternate protocols |
| 01:13.30 | UncleKiwi | its great when traveling |
| 01:13.51 | WIMPy | Yes, but's not going to make things easier. And it will only be better, no chance of normal quality. |
| 01:14.27 | UncleKiwi | yeah i use g729 |
| 01:14.31 | UncleKiwi | over mobile network |
| 01:14.37 | UncleKiwi | and g722 on wifi |
| 01:14.46 | UncleKiwi | it works nice most of the time |
| 01:14.49 | WIMPy | Do you have to? |
| 01:15.05 | UncleKiwi | its experimental |
| 01:15.23 | WIMPy | Yes. It all is. |
| 01:18.18 | UncleKiwi | what i see a lot of is people here setting up hosted pbx's and trying to run big organisations with 90 phone or more over a remote asterisk box. I my opinion this is will be no good |
| 01:19.00 | UncleKiwi | I like to have a PBX at a site that big |
| 01:19.19 | UncleKiwi | am i correct in this view ? |
| 01:19.59 | WIMPy | If they use the service on-site, I'd certainly agree. |
| 01:20.41 | UncleKiwi | its funny what people try to do |
| 01:21.09 | WIMPy | Trying to use the internet for realtime streams is enough for me, really. |
| 01:21.36 | WIMPy | And it's pretty easy to explain why that's never going to work. |
| 01:21.56 | WIMPy | So it's nice to see that it actually does work most of the time. |
| 01:22.44 | UncleKiwi | yeah its great what I have done with the softphones on the smartphones |
| 01:22.49 | UncleKiwi | thats neat |
| 01:23.04 | UncleKiwi | but its almost perfect |
| 01:23.49 | WIMPy | My list of issues is too long to remember. |
| 01:24.16 | WIMPy | But that's probably the way it works. Let enough time pass and you forget about most of them. |
| 01:24.43 | UncleKiwi | so you never use sip ? |
| 01:24.55 | UncleKiwi | here in NZ we have very good providers |
| 01:25.04 | WIMPy | That's unfortunately not possible any more. |
| 01:25.11 | UncleKiwi | why not ? |
| 01:25.25 | WIMPy | Or not practical rather. |
| 01:25.30 | UncleKiwi | why not |
| 01:25.50 | UncleKiwi | your in germany right |
| 01:26.14 | WIMPy | Because the Telcos really don't want to provide real phone service any more, except for mobile. |
| 01:26.20 | WIMPy | Yes. |
| 01:26.40 | UncleKiwi | but businesses but still have landlines |
| 01:26.41 | UncleKiwi | ? |
| 01:27.01 | WIMPy | There are only two big ones left that will still sell real phone lines without mayor hassle. |
| 01:27.13 | WIMPy | Usually, yes. |
| 01:27.18 | UncleKiwi | there must be quality sip providers that are not thoes two players |
| 01:29.11 | WIMPy | Sure. The thing is that bigger installation would surely work better with SIP than residential/SOHO situation. But the later were thos that were forced to migrate first. |
| 01:29.26 | WIMPy | The result is that people relly switched to using mobiles instead. |
| 01:30.16 | WIMPy | They are more reliable, still provide most known features and the prices aren't prohibitive any more, either. |
| 01:30.42 | WIMPy | That's the reaso why some people already proclaimed SIP is dead. |
| 01:32.27 | UncleKiwi | i dont think i understood you . So for example a business with 20 lines 50 phones what do they use ? isdn ? |
| 01:32.47 | WIMPy | Yes. |
| 01:33.08 | UncleKiwi | surly the cost of sip vs isdn is lts less |
| 01:33.17 | UncleKiwi | ? |
| 01:33.27 | UncleKiwi | *lots |
| 01:33.44 | WIMPy | IP is much more expensive unless you use your residential type DSL service. |
| 01:33.58 | UncleKiwi | wow thats odd |
| 01:34.35 | WIMPy | Trouble is you need QoS or a dedicated IP link only for VoIP. |
| 01:34.52 | UncleKiwi | no you dont need that |
| 01:35.01 | WIMPy | You do. |
| 01:35.17 | UncleKiwi | you just need a good internet conection 100Mb |
| 01:35.39 | UncleKiwi | it doesnt need to be dedicated |
| 01:35.44 | WIMPy | That's not available everywhere. |
| 01:35.49 | UncleKiwi | it can be deicated |
| 01:36.20 | UncleKiwi | 30/30Mbps |
| 01:36.23 | UncleKiwi | would be fine |
| 01:36.28 | WIMPy | That bog standard connection is still 16/1 ADSL2+ and if you go to youtube while you're on the phone that is going to go wrong. |
| 01:37.20 | WIMPy | Yes, but that's more expensive than a 16/1 with ISDN as well. |
| 01:37.39 | UncleKiwi | it all depends on your market |
| 01:37.52 | UncleKiwi | here its different |
| 01:38.16 | WIMPy | fIf it made sense, more people would change for VoIP voluntarily, don't you think? |
| 01:38.49 | UncleKiwi | well some old business owners are stuck in their ways |
| 01:39.07 | UncleKiwi | and the current telcos dont want them to wake up to VoIP |
| 01:39.18 | UncleKiwi | well thats what its like in NZ |
| 01:39.18 | WIMPy | it's generelly not clever to replace something that works for something experimental. |
| 01:39.52 | WIMPy | Doesn't sound too bad :-) |
| 01:40.12 | WIMPy | Do you use mich ISDN in NZ? |
| 01:40.26 | UncleKiwi | I have a client that is doing over 1500 calls per day and 50 hours of calling per day and they say that its better than the isdn as far as reliability |
| 01:41.24 | UncleKiwi | i dont know much about ISDN except i like shutting it down |
| 01:41.35 | UncleKiwi | and replacing it with SIP |
| 01:41.37 | UncleKiwi | :) |
| 01:41.42 | WIMPy | Sounds pretty impossible. That old telco equipment was as good as military standards. |
| 01:42.19 | UncleKiwi | well when its configured correclty it can ber great |
| 01:42.24 | UncleKiwi | *be |
| 01:42.28 | WIMPy | You woul'd stand a chance of a deal with a promise or 99.9% uptime. |
| 01:42.40 | WIMPy | wouldn't |
| 01:42.55 | UncleKiwi | i think I would |
| 01:42.59 | WIMPy | Just as in the broadcast business. |
| 01:43.30 | UncleKiwi | sorry all im saying is that we have very vewry good uptime |
| 01:43.45 | WIMPy | Noone promises more that 98% uptime any more today. Most only 97%. |
| 01:43.47 | UncleKiwi | i have clients that are taxi companys |
| 01:43.56 | WIMPy | Try to calculate what that actually means. |
| 01:44.58 | UncleKiwi | we have had 100% uptime over the past year for this client i mentioned |
| 01:45.28 | WIMPy | So you have a VoIP service with 97% uptime using an internet connection with 97% uptime. So you have a 94% chance to use it. |
| 01:45.50 | UncleKiwi | i have fail over internet connections |
| 01:46.14 | WIMPy | That's 1.5h downtime per day per contract. |
| 01:46.35 | WIMPy | No. that's wrong. |
| 01:47.45 | WIMPy | Alost one hour. Bad enough. So if you're phone doesn't work for 57 miutes every day, you can't even complain. It's what you signed up for. |
| 01:48.02 | UncleKiwi | ahah here its not like that |
| 01:48.30 | WIMPy | That's what you get from the big telcos here. |
| 01:48.36 | UncleKiwi | wow |
| 01:48.52 | UncleKiwi | you need to get new leaders |
| 01:48.58 | UncleKiwi | over there in Germany |
| 01:49.06 | WIMPy | And if they wouldn't have to guarantee at least 97% uptime per law, I guess they would offer even less. |
| 01:49.17 | WIMPy | Tell me somethign new. |
| 01:49.46 | UncleKiwi | you should pack your bags are excape |
| 01:49.51 | UncleKiwi | *and |
| 01:50.13 | WIMPy | Not a bad idea. But where would I go to? |
| 01:50.20 | UncleKiwi | USA |
| 01:51.17 | WIMPy | That's the mos obviousely worse place. |
| 01:51.29 | UncleKiwi | i think it can be good |
| 01:51.41 | UncleKiwi | looks like they pay IT people good money |
| 01:52.07 | WIMPy | It can be good everywhere. It mostly depends on the amounts of luck required :-) |
| 01:52.19 | UncleKiwi | yes luck is a factor |
| 01:52.23 | UncleKiwi | i agree |
| 01:52.48 | UncleKiwi | but ya can make your own luck |
| 01:53.01 | WIMPy | But the amount you need differs a lot between places. |
| 01:53.06 | UncleKiwi | lol |
| 01:53.12 | UncleKiwi | i agree |
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| 11:53.01 | skyroveRR | Hello all. |
| 11:53.44 | skyroveRR | How can I completely disable the generation of the XML documentation during compile? I am attempting to cross compile version 13.9.1 for ARM. |
| 11:54.33 | file | ./configure --disable-xmldoc |
| 11:55.04 | skyroveRR | That doesn't appear to work, it still generates docs after entering the menuselect directory. |
| 11:55.40 | file | it will extract XML from things for menuselect, so it knows dependencies |
| 11:58.42 | skyroveRR | file: let me get you a paste of the compile script and the build script. One min please. |
| 12:01.23 | skyroveRR | file: build script: http://pktsurf.in/files/asterisk.sld.txt ; compilation output: http://pktsurf.in/files/asterisk.build.log.txt |
| 12:02.06 | file | I have no experience in cross compiling, but that's what it is trying to do there - get the XML information from everything so it can figure out dependencies |
| 12:02.13 | file | and that's not something that has a built-in way to disable |
| 12:03.40 | skyroveRR | Could you perhaps add an option to disable the dependency checking in later versions then? |
| 12:04.24 | file | We can consider such a contribution, but that's a pretty serious change |
| 12:05.46 | skyroveRR | file: IDK how distros like openwrt cross compile such a thing. |
| 12:05.51 | skyroveRR | It's a mystery. |
| 12:06.44 | file | They might patch and hack stuff |
| 12:07.12 | skyroveRR | They have some patches. |
| 12:07.20 | skyroveRR | https://github.com/openwrt/telephony/blob/master/net/asterisk-13.x/patches/003-disable-ast-xml-docs.patch |
| 12:07.33 | skyroveRR | But that doesn't seem to do *anything*. |
| 12:07.50 | scv | you can prebuild the deps file, it will use a cached copy iirc? |
| 12:08.14 | file | Maybe? |
| 12:08.29 | file | And I can't look at outside patches to comment |
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| 15:45.47 | raspberrypifan | is a2billing the default free billing system for asterisk at this point? |
| 15:49.32 | WIMPy | Ther is no such thing as a default. |
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| 16:50.36 | laptopdude91 | Hello everybody! |
| 16:50.43 | laptopdude91 | It's been a long, long time |
| 16:50.53 | laptopdude91 | I lost my password to my original account, laptopdude90 |
| 16:58.22 | laptopdude91 | !book |
| 16:58.25 | laptopdude91 | ~book |
| 16:58.25 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 16:58.29 | laptopdude91 | Yaaay |
| 16:58.32 | laptopdude91 | I remembered |
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| 17:42.33 | nickgaw | Hi, Are any of the Digium sip phones able to connect using wifi or just the network cables to the router or to the dahdi cards? |
| 17:43.37 | WIMPy | No (AFAIK), yes, no. |
| 17:49.30 | nickgaw | Is the best place to ask about those phones sales? |
| 17:54.11 | WIMPy | Probably |
| 17:58.16 | nickgaw | Something that is easy to connect to any network I am ok with buying a base that connects to the router then handsets that are like chordless phones but that can be assigned to different extentions is this type of phone even around? |
| 17:59.12 | shido6 | office environment? warehouse? lots of dust and mud? |
| 17:59.20 | WIMPy | Yes. How many? What area? |
| 17:59.40 | nickgaw | small home setup with around 4 extentions. |
| 17:59.49 | nickgaw | but the ability to expand if needed. |
| 18:00.01 | WIMPy | Look at the Gigaset stuff. |
| 18:00.20 | WIMPy | Or an IAD with DECT, like AVM or ZyXEL. |
| 18:01.57 | nickgaw | Do any of these companies have setup services where they can setup the phone so when I get them I just plug them in and they work with my asterisk server? |
| 18:03.20 | nickgaw | or would I just go to the ip address of the phone is that either displayed on the phone or would I have to find it in the router and configure it that way? |
| 18:04.31 | WIMPy | As far as your Asterisk goes they are just som SIP phones. |
| 18:04.56 | nickgaw | yes but how do I configure the phone for the asterisk server? |
| 18:05.16 | WIMPy | Via web interface, like any oher IP phone. |
| 18:05.31 | WIMPy | Off course they contain some mini pBX themselves. |
| 18:06.00 | nickgaw | like what can the phones do on their own could I directly connect them to my sip trunks? |
| 18:06.48 | WIMPy | Sure. |
| 18:07.20 | nickgaw | Do any of them have voicemails built into them directly? |
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| 18:08.53 | WIMPy | The routers do. At least teh AVMs do. Not sure about the ZyXEL. |
| 18:09.41 | nickgaw | Is the voicemail system that comes with asterisk better then the sip phone answering machines? |
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| 18:10.21 | WIMPy | Define "better". |
| 18:10.55 | nickgaw | can do more like allow checking of the messages from away from home and abilities to send messages to other users. |
| 18:11.33 | WIMPy | I haven't seen the option so send messages to oter users anywhere other than Asterisk. |
| 18:12.06 | nickgaw | How many messages can one of those standalone sip phones hold? |
| 18:12.25 | shido6 | yes |
| 18:12.27 | shido6 | phonism.com |
| 18:12.45 | WIMPy | Not sure. But you can andd USB storage for more. |
| 18:13.02 | shido6 | talk to Steve |
| 18:13.11 | nickgaw | Would any of them support recording of calls or would that have to be done threw asterisk? |
| 18:13.55 | WIMPy | Nope. Not seen that feature. Prpbably because that would be illegal in some places. |
| 18:14.46 | nickgaw | I am in the USA with permission with both people on the call is it ok for me to record the calls for testing purposes? |
| 18:15.39 | shido6 | i haven't seen usb storage for cordless phones |
| 18:15.40 | shido6 | The VVX 500 phone has a USB port that allows for local audio call recording. |
| 18:16.05 | nickgaw | what do you mean by local audio? |
| 18:16.16 | WIMPy | Not for the phone, off course. For the base. |
| 18:16.37 | nickgaw | yes but would both sides be recorded? |
| 18:23.28 | nickgaw | !logs |
| 18:23.36 | nickgaw | ! the book |
| 18:23.48 | nickgaw | what is that bot called on here? |
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| 19:38.51 | slima | ~book |
| 19:38.51 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
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| 21:27.25 | Hauke | when I want to do a sip call I always get this: tp_engine.c: No RTP engine was found. Do you have one loaded? |
| 21:28.41 | Hauke | I am using Asterisk 13.9.1 on OpenWrt / LEDE on a MIPS Big Endian CPU: http://pastebin.com/3gdHbLic |
| 21:29.45 | Hauke | I follwed this tutorial: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Creating+SIP+Accounts and only added the new sip.conf and added the baisc dailplan |
| 21:30.33 | Hauke | I see the error when I want to start a call from one client to the other with Empathy |
| 21:30.42 | Hauke | The call is droped after 2 seounds |
| 21:30.48 | Hauke | or disconnected |
| 21:46.44 | Samot | [Aug 7 21:25:47] ERROR[1283][C-00000000] rtp_engine.c: No RTP engine was found. Do you have one loaded? |
| 21:47.15 | Samot | That's going to cause issues. Looks like you don't have DNS configured either. |
| 21:52.46 | Hauke | I found it, I had not installed some of the rtp modules |
| 21:52.57 | Hauke | I assumed they were included by default |
| 21:54.29 | Samot | Asterisk loads the modules you tell it to load. |
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