IRC log for #asterisk on 20151114

`00:00.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~cheap`
`00:00.07`	`infobot`	`[cheap] a bad idea. If you're setting up an Asterisk system, one of the wisest pieces of advice you can take is this: DON'T BE A CHEAPSKATE.`
`00:00.23`	`igcewieling1`	`drab: often the outgoing audio packets open the nat port for the incoming audio.`
`00:00.25`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: unless they come with power supplies you can figure adding around $15 per phone for the poewr supply`
`00:00.36`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got boxes of em`
`00:00.43`	`laptopdude90`	`And also power supplies aren't that much on ebay`
`00:00.46`	`WIMPy`	`Does that imply "don't use Asterisk"? It's as chap as it could be.`
`00:01.00`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you have boxes of 48V .38A supplies?`
`00:01.31`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got boxes of all power supplies pretty much`
`00:01.34`	`WIMPy`	`An old Cicco switch with inline power might be cheaper than a bunch of PSUs.`
`00:01.40`	`lvlinux`	`yes`
`00:01.48`	`lvlinux`	`or you can use any PoE switch really`
`00:01.51`	`FuriousGoerge`	`im sorry but i still dpon't see what what im doing wrong`
`00:01.55`	`lvlinux`	`but you have to wire the cables special`
`00:01.56`	`FuriousGoerge`	`http://pastebin.ca/3251697`
`00:02.03`	`WIMPy`	`With the correct wrong cable.`
`00:02.03`	`FuriousGoerge`	`how does 91005 not match?`
`00:02.27`	`WIMPy`	`FuriousGoerge: Hint: 9100 or 9105 would match.`
`00:02.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`What line do you THINK it should match?`
`00:02.34`	`lvlinux`	`WIMPy: lol yes that's correct--it's wrong.`
`00:02.56`	`FuriousGoerge`	`lol`
`00:03.16`	`drab`	`robmal: igcewieling1: ok, but then I'm confused, why many aritcles (like this http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+firewall+rules ) talk about opening ports on your firewall?`
`00:03.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<lvlinux> or you can use any PoE switch really <- um NO :p`
`00:03.22`	`laptopdude90`	`What about these: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-of-11X-Nortel-2004-IP-Business-Office-Telephone-NTDU92-w-8X-headsets-/272035564062?hash=item3f56954a1e:g:EYAAAOSw5VFWOM2p`
`00:03.29`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: if you don't KNOW you have 48V power supplies, you probably don't---they aren't very common like your average 12V/5V/etc.`
`00:03.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lvlinux, no chance in hell with a 7940`
`00:03.31`	`drab`	`from what was just mentioned it sounds like that as long as you have "related allowed" in your firewall you're good`
`00:03.32`	`lvlinux`	`NONONONO`
`00:03.40`	`laptopdude90`	`Yes, I have them`
`00:03.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`laptopdude90, NO NORTEL`
`00:03.42`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got lots`
`00:03.45`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`00:03.45`	`lvlinux`	`[TK]D-Fender: no chance of what?`
`00:03.49`	`drab`	`because the request never comes from outside, it uses the already established one for sip and rtp`
`00:04.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<lvlinux> or you can use any PoE switch really <-----`
`00:04.08`	`drab`	`so the phone at boots establihes a connection with the sip server`
`00:04.18`	`drab`	`when the sip server wants to call in uses that connection to pass the rtp port in the INVITE`
`00:04.21`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: technically you can use Nortel---I have one in use actually, but big big trouble`
`00:04.36`	`drab`	`and then the phone initiates the rtp connection which is then reused by the external phone`
`00:04.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Nortel 2004 = UNISTIM = FUCK NO`
`00:04.44`	`FuriousGoerge`	`thanks guys. g2g. thanks again (even though all you had to say was that you saw an obvious clerical error that I should see)`
`00:04.45`	`drab`	`so there's never a new connection initiated from outside`
`00:04.45`	`lvlinux`	`[TK]D-Fender: you can with a 7940 if you wire the power lines backwards in the cable`
`00:05.11`	`drab`	`if that's true that no ports ever need to be opened on a firewall to allow asterisk to work`
`00:05.13`	`igcewieling1`	`drab: They are often wrong. clients out on the internet need 5060 forwarded to Asterisk to register to an asterisk server behind NAT.`
`00:05.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lvlinux, Cisco PoE was 48V last I heard, not the 24V standard with 802.3af`
`00:05.30`	`drab`	`igcewieling1: oh, sure, that I can see`
`00:05.43`	`igcewieling1`	`drab: good to use qualify and qualifyfreq to keep the NAT ports open.`
`00:06.05`	`lvlinux`	`[TK]D-Fender: 802.3af is 48V as well I believe`
`00:06.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`802.3af is also a negotiated protocol....`
`00:06.50`	`robmal`	`I'd go 802.3at`
`00:07.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Not aware of a simple reversal being able to force it....`
`00:07.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Sounds messy at best`
`00:07.14`	`drab`	`igcewieling1: that's great and depressing considering how much time I've spent trying to understand all those guides on problems with NAT setups when there doesn't really seem to be any at this point`
`00:07.20`	`WIMPy`	`It does work.`
`00:07.22`	`drab`	`and stun etc`
`00:07.24`	`lvlinux`	`nobody said it wasn't messy lol`
`00:07.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I like to avoind pain by buying good products that play nice with wider accepted standards :)`
`00:08.09`	`igcewieling1`	`drab: there are situations where it gets complicated, but plain standard asterisk behind a nat router connect to an ITSP is simple. You still need to coufigure Asterisk for NAT of course.`
`00:09.12`	`lvlinux`	`[TK]D-Fender: i hear ya, but I'm also a firm believer in making things work for the fun of it :-)`
`00:09.38`	`igcewieling1`	`drab: what does the Asterisk book say about NAT?`
`00:09.43`	`robmal`	`Like mailbombs!`
`00:09.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Sure, if they fell into my lap I know I'm at least competant... but I wouldn't recommend it to the general public`
`00:09.57`	`lvlinux`	`absolutely`
`00:10.20`	`robmal`	`Mailbombs or shitty PoE?`
`00:11.03`	`lvlinux`	`what TK said last`
`00:11.11`	`robmal`	`Meh :-/`
`00:11.17`	`lvlinux`	`I don't know what mailbombs are :-)`
`00:11.39`	`robmal`	`TL;DR: You open mail and boom`
`00:12.02`	`lvlinux`	`I'm lost`
`00:12.11`	`robmal`	`http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed`
`00:15.35`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: stick to Aastra, Snom, Yealink, or Polycom. Get at least one Polycom, and something else too.`
`00:16.52`	`robmal`	`I'll help you with anything Polycom.`
`00:16.54`	`laptopdude90`	`Oh, what's the reason for the phones to be on a dedi vlan?`
`00:17.20`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: easier to manage, easier to setup QoS`
`00:17.31`	`robmal`	`They don't have to be, but should. Less transfer = less jitter, QoS, all that crap.`
`00:17.34`	`laptopdude90`	`Do I really need QoS though?`
`00:17.47`	`WIMPy`	`yes`
`00:17.49`	`lvlinux`	`the $64000 question!!!`
`00:17.51`	`robmal`	`Sure you don't!`
`00:18.02`	`laptopdude90`	`Cause I mean there's not gonna be more than 10 phones`
`00:18.23`	`robmal`	`You can enjoy lots of calls from users complaining about the call quality once someone launches utorrent.`
`00:18.23`	`WIMPy`	`And what about other devices?`
`00:18.29`	`lvlinux`	`it's not the phones you worry about---it's little Johnny in his room downloading movies and watching netflix`
`00:18.49`	`lvlinux`	`or are you Little Johnny? lol`
`00:20.17`	`lvlinux`	`When mama calls grandma, you don't want to hear: "LAPTOPDUDE90!!!!!! what did you do to my PHONE!?!?!?!? Grandma sounds like a robot!`
`00:20.21`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`00:21.39`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: what kind of switch(s) do you have?`
`00:22.13`	`laptopdude90`	`Let me explain my network setup, it might help`
`00:22.18`	`lvlinux`	`k`
`00:22.22`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got a 150/50 connection to the outside world`
`00:22.32`	`lvlinux`	`sweet`
`00:22.36`	`laptopdude90`	`Which comes in via pfsense to a gigabit switch`
`00:22.43`	`laptopdude90`	`And I want to plug the phones into the switch`
`00:22.55`	`lvlinux`	`"gigabit switch" <---- what is this?`
`00:23.04`	`laptopdude90`	`Unmanaged tp-link box`
`00:23.09`	`lvlinux`	`k`
`00:23.56`	`robmal`	`grabs popcorn`
`00:24.00`	`laptopdude90`	`I should really move my network off of 192.168.1.0/24`
`00:24.06`	`laptopdude90`	`But I've got too many computers`
`00:24.13`	`lvlinux`	`Buy an HP 2610-PWR PoE switch and give your tp-link to the neighbor and you will be all set :-)`
`00:24.18`	`lvlinux`	`why should you move it?`
`00:24.21`	`laptopdude90`	`But I like my tp-link`
`00:24.24`	`robmal`	`pushes full fust of popcorn into mouth because hilarity enshures.`
`00:24.25`	`laptopdude90`	`It was like $100 D:`
`00:24.31`	`lvlinux`	`But I hate your tp-link`
`00:24.34`	`robmal`	`stuffs more popcorn.`
`00:24.45`	`laptopdude90`	`Cause I'd prefer 10...*`
`00:24.50`	`laptopdude90`	`Cause I like loads of IP addresses`
`00:24.51`	`robmal`	`stuffs more popcorn.`
`00:24.55`	`lvlinux`	`ok whateves`
`00:25.07`	`lvlinux`	`real men like 172.16.x.x`
`00:25.08`	`laptopdude90`	`why do you hate my tp-link`
`00:25.08`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`00:25.14`	`laptopdude90`	`meh`
`00:25.17`	`lvlinux`	`it's a kiddo switch`
`00:25.29`	`lvlinux`	`s/kiddo/kiddie/g`
`00:25.31`	`laptopdude90`	`what makes it a "kiddo switch"`
`00:25.44`	`laptopdude90`	`s/kiddo/kiddie/g`
`00:25.49`	`lvlinux`	`it's not an HP Procurve or Cisco`
`00:25.55`	`laptopdude90`	`sooooo`
`00:26.20`	`lvlinux`	`does it do QoS? VLANs?`
`00:26.31`	`laptopdude90`	`No and no`
`00:26.33`	`laptopdude90`	`And I don't want either`
`00:27.40`	`WIMPy`	`Then you don't want to use VOIP.`
`00:27.46`	`lvlinux`	`grabs some popcorn from robmal so he can watch laptopdude90's mom beat him up when her phone messes up.`
`00:28.09`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you can get a real switch surplus for less than $100.`
`00:28.13`	`laptopdude90`	`I really don't see how a couple of phones can max my 150 connection`
`00:28.18`	`WIMPy`	`Or use a sepereate switch for that.`
`00:28.28`	`WIMPy`	`They can't. But something else can.`
`00:28.35`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got literal piles of 24 port switches`
`00:28.36`	`laptopdude90`	`+`
`00:28.39`	`robmal`	`has already licked all his popcorn.`
`00:28.40`	`laptopdude90`	`pfsense has QoS`
`00:28.44`	`WIMPy`	`Or are you goint to use that line for VOIP only?`
`00:28.51`	`laptopdude90`	`>pfsense has QoS`
`00:28.56`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Take a deep breath.`
`00:28.57`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: a couple of phone's won't max your connection, but all those computers will flood your LAN with junk`
`00:29.06`	`laptopdude90`	`>pfsense has QoS .-.`
`00:29.08`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: You can do it your way. It might work.`
`00:29.29`	`laptopdude90`	`k`
`00:29.39`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: pfsense QoS will handle your VoIP connection from your * box to the internet. It won't help your LAN.`
`00:29.42`	`WIMPy`	`It will probably work most of the time(tm)`
`00:29.45`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: You can do it our way. It will work, because we've spent houndreds of hours to figure out the 'might' part.`
`00:30.00`	`lvlinux`	`lol that's good ^^^^^^^^`
`00:30.03`	`lvlinux`	`very true`
`00:30.22`	`laptopdude90`	`Well what I was thinking`
`00:30.28`	`laptopdude90`	`2 wires out from the pfsense box`
`00:30.29`	`lvlinux`	`confesses that he has a small network with a few phones without QoS...`
`00:30.31`	`laptopdude90`	`One to LAN`
`00:30.36`	`laptopdude90`	`One to VOIP network`
`00:30.41`	`laptopdude90`	`Then I can do QoS`
`00:31.01`	`robmal`	`can has ~500 endpoints on Polycom with ~100 pbxes`
`00:31.17`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you mean a separate switch for the phones?`
`00:31.23`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah`
`00:31.33`	`lvlinux`	`that should work.`
`00:31.45`	`lvlinux`	`but you'll still have a kiddie switch :-)`
`00:31.52`	`laptopdude90`	`But it looks cool`
`00:32.06`	`lvlinux`	`not as cool as a real man switch.`
`00:32.10`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: You should buy a switch with a magic option called 'voice vlan'. It'll detect voip phones and move it to a separate vlan. MAGIC.`
`00:32.22`	`laptopdude90`	`Is that a real thing`
`00:32.28`	`robmal`	`It is.`
`00:32.30`	`lvlinux`	`yes`
`00:32.40`	`laptopdude90`	`http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-ProCurve-J9089A-2610-48-PWR-48-Port-PoE-Switch-with-Ears-/121813829451?hash=item1c5cab874b:g:c~YAAOSwiwVWRU22`
`00:32.44`	`laptopdude90`	`does this dingy do it`
`00:32.47`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: I'll sell you my Cisco 4006 --- then you'll be in business :-)`
`00:32.54`	`laptopdude90`	`How much?`
`00:33.03`	`robmal`	`STOP!`
`00:33.09`	`laptopdude90`	`http://www.ebay.ca/itm/CISCO-CATALYST-4006-3x-400W-P-S-WS-X4013-WS-X4232-L3-WS-X4418-GB-WS-X4148-RJ-/181718578896?hash=item2a4f4576d0:g:m3sAAOSwBLlVL-3n`
`00:33.10`	`lvlinux`	`lol do you know what a 4006 is?`
`00:33.11`	`laptopdude90`	`this thing?`
`00:33.18`	`laptopdude90`	`chriest`
`00:33.20`	`laptopdude90`	`its huge`
`00:33.21`	`robmal`	`I'll have anything you want - cheaper than lvlinux ;-)`
`00:33.22`	`laptopdude90`	`I dont`
`00:33.26`	`laptopdude90`	`I have no idea what it is`
`00:33.33`	`lvlinux`	`Don't cuss my God dude.`
`00:33.37`	`laptopdude90`	`But I kinda need to know the price before I bother researching it`
`00:33.43`	`lvlinux`	`it was a joke`
`00:33.44`	`laptopdude90`	`sorry`
`00:33.47`	`lvlinux`	`you don't want one that big`
`00:33.54`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah its massive`
`00:33.58`	`lvlinux`	`i mean the 4006 was a joke`
`00:34.06`	`lvlinux`	`mine has 170 some-odd ports`
`00:34.09`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Have you ever configured anything cisco?`
`00:34.09`	`laptopdude90`	`y`
`00:34.12`	`laptopdude90`	`no`
`00:34.15`	`robmal`	`Ok.`
`00:34.16`	`lvlinux`	`but talk about looking cool.`
`00:34.21`	`robmal`	`Don't do it.`
`00:34.22`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: get that HP`
`00:34.31`	`laptopdude90`	`but its $$$`
`00:34.37`	`lvlinux`	`hwo much?`
`00:34.43`	`laptopdude90`	`loads`
`00:34.55`	`laptopdude90`	`$133+$64 shipping`
`00:34.58`	`robmal`	`It's something like kung-fu for people who think thumb-wrestling is a sport.`
`00:35.05`	`lvlinux`	`nah too much`
`00:35.32`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: I am a blackbelt in thumb-wrestling`
`00:35.39`	`lvlinux`	`errr black-ring?`
`00:36.00`	`robmal`	`I'm pretty sure about that ;-)`
`00:36.08`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`00:36.22`	`*** join/#asterisk eofster (~eofster@ip5b4063a6.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de)`
`00:36.24`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Buy something you can click through, d-link, hp.`
`00:36.33`	`robmal`	`Some SMB options.`
`00:36.44`	`laptopdude90`	`SMB?`
`00:36.49`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: NO NO buy something you can telnet into`
`00:36.52`	`drab`	`before I pastebin, am I expecting something that makes no sense: I'm trying to setup vitelity with ip authentication. I've set up my DID to be routed to my external ip and configured a vitel-inbound on my asterisk as per their instructions and on sip show peers I can see it and it says OK`
`00:36.55`	`robmal`	`Small-Medium Business`
`00:37.13`	`drab`	`however when I try to place an incoming call I get a msg saying that when they tried to route the call they got a CHANUNAVAIL`
`00:37.34`	`lvlinux`	`I just got an HP the other day (first one I've had) and was blown away by the ease of the config (on the commandline).`
`00:37.35`	`drab`	`which I'm assuming means they couldn't get to my asterisk box`
`00:37.53`	`robmal`	`drab: core set verbose 10, sip set debug peer xxx and pastebin`
`00:37.58`	`laptopdude90`	`this is hard`
`00:38.05`	`lvlinux`	`drab: what you said sounds reasonable`
`00:38.12`	`drab`	`unfortunately the modem/firewall doesn't allow me to dump the traffic so I can't even see if they are trying to get to me and I messed up something on their end settings wise`
`00:38.15`	`drab`	`robmal: ok`
`00:38.16`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: what is hard?`
`00:38.25`	`laptopdude90`	`finding a cheapish switch`
`00:38.25`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: It's pretty easy once you spend about an year with it :-)`
`00:38.40`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Cisco SG series.`
`00:38.48`	`robmal`	`It's cheapish.`
`00:38.52`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: forget the switch for now, just get your phones and do what you said with the three legged pfSense`
`00:39.06`	`lvlinux`	`that should work fine.`
`00:39.10`	`laptopdude90`	`but now I want a badass switch`
`00:39.13`	`laptopdude90`	`you're converting me`
`00:39.15`	`*** join/#asterisk F2Knight (~F2Knight@c-50-139-86-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net)`
`00:39.16`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`00:39.34`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: How much do you want to spend?`
`00:39.44`	`robmal`	`Or - should you spend?`
`00:39.45`	`laptopdude90`	`Ideally, less than $100`
`00:39.48`	`lvlinux`	`have eBay email you for new deals on HP procurve 2600 powered switches. Best bang for buck`
`00:39.49`	`robmal`	`Oh.`
`00:39.57`	`lvlinux`	`you should be able to get one for that.`
`00:40.10`	`laptopdude90`	`Not after shipping`
`00:40.31`	`lvlinux`	`wait till a company in Canada lists some.`
`00:40.41`	`lvlinux`	`in the mean time get your phones and start your * setup.`
`00:40.46`	`robmal`	`I'd go something in the cisco sg series, they're cheap, don't fail.`
`00:40.53`	`lvlinux`	`ehh`
`00:41.05`	`robmal`	`Or buy something used from lvlinux ;-)`
`00:41.16`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`00:41.28`	`laptopdude90`	`http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-ProCurve-J4906A-3400-cl-Gigabit-Ethernet-Layer-3-Managed-Switch-3400-48G-Qty-/262113184570?hash=item3d0729cb3a:g:WZYAAOSwwbdWLkC- ?`
`00:42.09`	`lvlinux`	`no experience with the 3400s`
`00:42.25`	`robmal`	`I wasn't advising HP because old models seem to love IE and Java. That's a huge pain in the ass in these days.`
`00:42.35`	`robmal`	`But yeah, they don't break.`
`00:43.04`	`lvlinux`	`he's a Linux guy, he can handle a bit of commandline. It's no big deal on the HPs. Not like Cisco.`
`00:43.24`	`laptopdude90`	`http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Cisco-Catalyst-WS-C2950T-48-SI-48-Ports-Network-Switch-w-Rackmnt-/201466193532?hash=item2ee852267c:g:vXQAAOSwT4lWROLd`
`00:43.25`	`laptopdude90`	`:3`
`00:43.26`	`laptopdude90`	`:33333`
`00:44.10`	`lvlinux`	`don't get an earlier Cisco w PoE cuz the PoE only works with the studpido Cisco phones.`
`00:44.11`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: I'm a linux guy and i've lost all sympathy for HP when i've learned how to make a factory reboot on them. Do you know how to?`
`00:44.46`	`laptopdude90`	`Back in my day`
`00:44.57`	`laptopdude90`	`You judged a switch my the speed and number of ports`
`00:44.57`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: never done it, but it's probably not as bad as Cisco`
`00:45.12`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: only in the consumer world`
`00:45.14`	`laptopdude90`	`QoS was "oy get off the youtubes I'm tryna download something"`
`00:45.27`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`00:45.32`	`WIMPy`	`That's not POE.`
`00:45.46`	`lvlinux`	`nope`
`00:45.58`	`lvlinux`	`not even trashy Cisco inline power poe`
`00:46.22`	`lvlinux`	`gotta go with 2960 or 3560 or newer to get 802.3af PoE`
`00:46.23`	`WIMPy`	`They had a 3rd version?`
`00:46.41`	`drab`	`robmal: all I'`
`00:46.44`	`drab`	`whups`
`00:46.49`	`lvlinux`	`WIMPy: 3rd ver of what?`
`00:46.57`	`drab`	`all I'm seeing is a repeated OPTIONS call that gets a 404, nothing else`
`00:47.01`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: http://www.hp.com/rnd/support/faqs/1800.htm#question9`
`00:47.11`	`drab`	`robmal: happy to pastebin if that's still useful`
`00:47.16`	`WIMPy`	`lvlinux: Power`
`00:47.20`	`drab`	`but nothing else about connections of any sort`
`00:47.35`	`drab`	`my asterisk seems to make a OPTIONS request that gets a 404 from the vitelity end, nothing else`
`00:48.06`	`lvlinux`	`WIMPy: no just Cisco Inline Power PoE and 802.3af`
`00:48.10`	`laptopdude90`	`http://www.ebay.ca/itm/D-Link-DGS-3100-48P-48-Ports-External-stackable-1GBPS-PoE-Switch-/262114581981?hash=item3d073f1ddd:g:vXsAAOSwYHxWL5nL`
`00:48.15`	`robmal`	`drab: OPTIONS is good, edit /etc/asterisk/logger.conf to log all to file and make a call - then pastebin`
`00:48.16`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: lol that is hillarious!`
`00:48.17`	`laptopdude90`	`This one has a problem with the RAM or something`
`00:48.41`	`lvlinux`	`D-Link is NOT a real switch`
`00:48.53`	`laptopdude90`	`Okay :(`
`00:49.02`	`lvlinux`	`D-Link is the one the kiddie threw away lol`
`00:49.04`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: It is the first 3 times. Then it goes to 'WTF am I doing with my life' very quickly ;-)`
`00:49.21`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`00:49.29`	`lvlinux`	`at least it's easy to do.`
`00:49.37`	`robmal`	`It is.`
`00:50.22`	`robmal`	`So easy it can be done by someone sent to the server room to reconect some cables. They are still alive. (3 and counting)`
`00:51.18`	`laptopdude90`	`Now then, how do I convince my dad to let me punch holes in the wall and run wires`
`00:51.31`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: how old are you?`
`00:51.36`	`laptopdude90`	`16`
`00:51.43`	`lvlinux`	`k`
`00:51.55`	`robmal`	`12v DC power, cables, handcuffs and ethanol.`
`00:52.07`	`robmal`	`If you have luck - in reverse order.`
`00:52.22`	`laptopdude90`	`12v isn't gonna do much`
`00:52.35`	`robmal`	`Depends where you connect the cables to.`
`00:52.44`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you don't convince your dad--- you do it right by going through the floor and into the basement or crawl space.`
`00:53.02`	`lvlinux`	`and putting nice rj45 jacks`
`00:53.19`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah and then he's like "why are there ethernet ports in the wall"`
`00:54.04`	`robmal`	`Tell him 'the interwebz is everywhere'`
`00:54.09`	`robmal`	`Or just use wifi?`
`00:54.26`	`laptopdude90`	`I want to run PoE`
`00:54.29`	`laptopdude90`	`Also muh ping`
`00:54.35`	`lvlinux`	`if you do it nicely and have him a cool phone plugged into one of them he'll be like "Wow, this kid did a good job---maybe I should buy him more network stuff to improve his life." :-)`
`00:54.36`	`drab`	`robmal: grep full logger.conf -> full => notice,warning,error,debug,verbose,dtmf,fax , reloaded, made the call, nothing showed up in the log. This is the options pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/3251751`
`00:54.54`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got a 1000 foot roll of CAT5E under my desk`
`00:54.57`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm fine for now`
`00:55.07`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Dude, you're making a lab. Adjust to the conditions you have, you'll be doing this for the rest of your life.`
`00:55.21`	`lvlinux`	`yup`
`00:55.24`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm not using WiFi >:*`
`00:55.30`	`lvlinux`	`good for you`
`00:55.35`	`laptopdude90`	`Right now I've got a wire about 100 feet long`
`00:55.43`	`laptopdude90`	`Running down the stairs into my server rack`
`00:55.50`	`laptopdude90`	`It's a big mess`
`00:55.55`	`lvlinux`	`wifi works great when you have no choice :-)`
`00:56.30`	`robmal`	`drab: There's like 2 SIP packets. My magic ball is in service now but i'd guess - 'you've fucked something up'`
`00:56.43`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah but I can't run a IP phone over wifi`
`00:56.55`	`lvlinux`	`why?`
`00:56.55`	`drab`	`robmal: that's what my mom always told me`
`00:57.06`	`laptopdude90`	`My Wifi would die`
`00:57.12`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Sure you can. But you need to learn more.`
`00:57.21`	`lvlinux`	`ahhhh, so you have kiddie wifi too lol`
`00:57.33`	`laptopdude90`	`well I don't see why I would pay more for wifi`
`00:57.40`	`robmal`	`drab: She told you you've got only 2 SIP packets? :-( I'm sorry.`
`00:57.42`	`drab`	`robmal: trying to figure out what. calling out works fine, not sure what's up with incoming calls and why all the pain`
`00:57.43`	`laptopdude90`	`I use LAN for everything but my iPod`
`00:57.53`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: good for you`
`00:58.15`	`laptopdude90`	`are these kiddie switches`
`00:58.16`	`laptopdude90`	`http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-of-3-Cisco-3750-Catalyst-Series-48-Port-POE-Switch-WS-C3750-48PS-S-/272041004148?hash=item3f56e84c74:g:Qv4AAOSwAYtWQK6T`
`00:58.24`	`lvlinux`	`set everything up in your room/lab and get it working 100%, then introduce it to the rest of the house.`
`00:58.36`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: nope those are the real deal.`
`00:58.41`	`laptopdude90`	`gigabit?`
`00:58.49`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: 100`
`00:58.53`	`laptopdude90`	`ew`
`00:58.53`	`lvlinux`	`100 is all you need`
`00:59.03`	`laptopdude90`	`no`
`00:59.07`	`lvlinux`	`if you need more, your doing it wrong.`
`00:59.10`	`laptopdude90`	`I want all the speeds`
`00:59.11`	`*** join/#asterisk vader- (~Adium@pool-71-175-67-97.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)`
`00:59.16`	`robmal`	`drab: Meh. sip debug doesn't show any passwords, i'm too lazy to guess who's your sip provider. Just clear the logs, make a call that doesn't go through, pastebin. Then make a call that does make goe through and pastebin.`
`00:59.25`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: QoS gives you the speeds`
`00:59.38`	`*** join/#asterisk fstd (~fstd@unaffiliated/fisted)`
`00:59.48`	`lvlinux`	`a Cisco 100 or HP will cream your tp-leach`
`00:59.58`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`00:59.59`	`laptopdude90`	`For IP phone`
`01:00.06`	`laptopdude90`	`but not for general networky speedy stuff`
`01:00.17`	`lvlinux`	`yes for general networky stuff`
`01:00.24`	`*** join/#asterisk BinaryMaster (~Binary@wsip-174-71-252-184.lv.lv.cox.net)`
`01:00.39`	`laptopdude90`	`well my tp-link can transfer a file at gigabit speeds`
`01:00.41`	`laptopdude90`	`sooo`
`01:00.50`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: I'd suggest you to buy all the swithes you pasted. That'll be a great practice before real life scenarios. So if the budget is no problem - buy them all.`
`01:00.56`	`lvlinux`	`you get 100MB/s transfer rate?`
`01:00.57`	`robmal`	`I'll help.`
`01:01.05`	`laptopdude90`	`Um budget is a big problem`
`01:01.12`	`robmal`	`For free, whenever i can.`
`01:01.19`	`laptopdude90`	`On my TP-Link I get around 900Mbps`
`01:01.29`	`robmal`	`Yeah, that tp-link too.`
`01:01.32`	`lvlinux`	`I said transfer rate`
`01:01.41`	`robmal`	`But first buy all that shit you found.`
`01:01.50`	`laptopdude90`	`I can't afford that`
`01:01.54`	`laptopdude90`	`And yes transfer rate`
`01:01.57`	`laptopdude90`	`900Mbps`
`01:02.00`	`robmal`	`So i can't help :-(`
`01:02.06`	`lvlinux`	`I mean to the drive.`
`01:02.09`	`BinaryMaster`	`Question: I'm working on writing an application in python, I think i have a lack of understanding of how ami works I want to listen to events for an extension so that I can pop caller id info on the screen is there documentation somewhere that might explain how to listen to events for an extension?`
`01:02.17`	`laptopdude90`	`I've an SSD`
`01:02.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<3 Mikrotik`
`01:03.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BinaryMaster, the book & wiki`
`01:03.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~asteriskwiki`
`01:03.08`	`infobot`	`well, asteriskwiki is http://wiki.asterisk.org`
`01:03.10`	`robmal`	`BinaryMaster: asterisk wikipedia has amazing docs on manager, i use php-ami but if you have a specific problem - shoot.`
`01:03.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~book`
`01:03.14`	`infobot`	`Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook`
`01:03.19`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: if you want a real gigabit switch (with more than 2 Gb ports) it will cost ya.`
`01:03.21`	`laptopdude90`	`Not to mention 100mbps is slower than my internet speed`
`01:04.02`	`lvlinux`	`whatevs`
`01:04.11`	`BinaryMaster`	`robmal, I think at this point it's a lack of understanding both in the terms used to name something and how it works`
`01:04.39`	`BinaryMaster`	`I'm going to read over the wiki and look at maybe getting the book`
`01:05.06`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Dude, you're 16, you have no experience, no established target. I'll help you if you tell me why the fuck everyone loves minecraft. (i'm 30)`
`01:05.17`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: get your phones, you can upgrade your network anytime.`
`01:05.25`	`laptopdude90`	`I used to play it a while ago(years)`
`01:05.27`	`robmal`	`BinaryMaster: So, what do you want to achieve?`
`01:05.29`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: language`
`01:05.48`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: Sorry, forgot.`
`01:05.51`	`lvlinux`	`I'd llike to know the anser to that quesiton too`
`01:06.01`	`laptopdude90`	`rombal: I have enough experience to tell you why I need gigabit vs 100 meg`
`01:06.19`	`lvlinux`	`laughs`
`01:06.30`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got a 7TB storage server`
`01:06.32`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: So you shouldn't care about ethernet speed. Next.`
`01:06.42`	`file`	`I just have gigabit because it's a business expense and not that expensive as I don't subscribe to TV`
`01:06.43`	`laptopdude90`	`I kinda need it to move my files around`
`01:06.53`	`BinaryMaster`	`robmal, I have an application that is on the computer I want it to pop caller id information to the user when a call comes in`
`01:06.59`	`laptopdude90`	`Back when I used 100m it was dreadful`
`01:07.09`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: How the f*ck have you got 7TB of storage and where does asterisk fit in?`
`01:07.22`	`laptopdude90`	`Because I had a bunch of files`
`01:07.24`	`laptopdude90`	`So I went out`
`01:07.27`	`laptopdude90`	`And I bought a server`
`01:07.30`	`laptopdude90`	`And I bought ahrd drives`
`01:07.36`	`robmal`	`BinaryMaster: So, something that checks callerid vs some database?`
`01:07.36`	`laptopdude90`	`And I stuck em together`
`01:07.50`	`laptopdude90`	`Asterisk is non-existant atm`
`01:07.55`	`BinaryMaster`	`right`
`01:08.07`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: I'll give you my shipping address, k?`
`01:08.15`	`laptopdude90`	`why..`
`01:08.19`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`01:08.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BinaryMaster, or you could just call a script AS you call the device`
`01:08.22`	`robmal`	`I'll manage this server for free for you :-)`
`01:08.33`	`laptopdude90`	`7TB isn't much, I'm upgrading to 30TB soon`
`01:08.52`	`laptopdude90`	`Like for $500 you can get 7TB`
`01:09.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BinaryMaster, Depends what direction you want to do this`
`01:09.03`	`BinaryMaster`	`I feel like I should also add that I'm using freepbx to manage the configuration of the pbx`
`01:09.09`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: I was right---YOU are the "little Johnny" lol`
`01:09.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BinaryMaster, "feel"? OBLIGATORY`
`01:09.23`	`drab`	`holy cow, it worked`
`01:09.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BinaryMaster, That changes a LOT of rules`
`01:09.30`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm a who?`
`01:09.34`	`drab`	`ok, so I now don't understand again tho :/`
`01:09.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BinaryMaster, And you should be more aware of exactly what calls you want to do this for`
`01:09.58`	`drab`	`robmal: I had to do portforwarding on the comcast firewall (5060 to my asterisk box). then incoming calls started flowing`
`01:10.03`	`robmal`	`Dudes. I HATE when you go CAPSLOCKING.`
`01:10.16`	`drab`	`robmal: I don't get why since from previous convo with igcewieling1 I was under the impression this was not needed`
`01:10.19`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: The "little Johnny" in his room downloading movies that I mentioned earlier`
`01:10.21`	`BinaryMaster`	`calls are in a queue, so when they ring the agent that is when I want it to pop`
`01:10.22`	`drab`	`clearly still not understanding how this works`
`01:10.23`	`robmal`	`drab: uPnP should do that.`
`01:10.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lvlinux, singing oldies, goldies?`
`01:10.48`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`01:10.49`	`laptopdude90`	`Oh :P`
`01:10.52`	`laptopdude90`	`silly me`
`01:11.34`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: quit downloading junk and read the Asterisk book and get your future going :-)`
`01:11.42`	`laptopdude90`	`But muh tb`
`01:11.47`	`laptopdude90`	`http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Cisco-Linksys-SRW224P-24-Port-10-100-2-Port-Gigabit-PoE-Switch-WebView-AS-IS-/201460306458?hash=item2ee7f8521a:g:1xkAAOSwFnFWCbC9`
`01:11.50`	`laptopdude90`	`How's this?`
`01:11.52`	`drab`	`robmal: guess it doesn't? not sure, the thing is, I haven't opened any of the rtp ranges so something is initiating the outgoing call and making the rest work`
`01:12.02`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm going the route of splitting it at pfsense`
`01:12.02`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: no`
`01:12.07`	`laptopdude90`	`So all I really need is a switch w/ POE`
`01:12.10`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: yes I mean`
`01:12.17`	`laptopdude90`	`wonderful`
`01:12.37`	`laptopdude90`	`And I know those cisco phones are going to be hell to configure`
`01:12.42`	`lvlinux`	`but that is a 100Mb switch`
`01:12.42`	`laptopdude90`	`But is it worth it for the experience?`
`01:12.46`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah, I know`
`01:12.50`	`lvlinux`	`no it's a waste of your time`
`01:12.57`	`BinaryMaster`	`I'm trying to do this over the weekend as a proof because management wants to move to an avaya phone system`
`01:12.58`	`lvlinux`	`it will work fine and it's really not that bad`
`01:12.59`	`laptopdude90`	`TP-Link for my LAN network, that switch for VOIP network`
`01:13.11`	`lvlinux`	`but it's not worth it when you can buy good phones for similar price`
`01:13.18`	`lvlinux`	`that are SOO much nicer`
`01:13.25`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah but I can get a box of 12 for like $100`
`01:13.26`	`BinaryMaster`	`I think moving to a closed platform will kill us`
`01:13.49`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: and then in 2 months you will wish you had gotten cooler phones with more features.`
`01:14.12`	`robmal`	`drab: Something it happens, some cheap routers work in strange ways. My friend bought a cheap mikrotik router yesterday, asked me to configure it, so i did, setting a web proxy to redirect all images to a picture of N. Cage and he called me just a few hours ago, so either the router didn't respond instantly or i've fucked something up and some fairy fixed it.`
`01:14.15`	`laptopdude90`	`What kind of features can I get?`
`01:14.20`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: the Cisco 79xx sound good, work fine, built well. That's IT.`
`01:14.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<laptopdude90> How's this? <- "as-is". LOL`
`01:14.30`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: other features you can get are:`
`01:14.33`	`laptopdude90`	`I know the seller`
`01:14.56`	`laptopdude90`	`I've ordered many things from them, lots "as-is", all worked great, they were just too lazy to test`
`01:15.09`	`robmal`	`BinaryMaster: Kill the management first. Pastebin your context for this event.`
`01:15.09`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: BLF, wideband audio, programmable keys, SRTP, and more`
`01:15.22`	`laptopdude90`	`Can the Ciscos do that?`
`01:15.32`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: they do what I said they do above`
`01:15.40`	`laptopdude90`	`wonderful`
`01:15.51`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: the Cisco 79xx sound good, work fine, built well. That's IT.`
`01:15.53`	`lvlinux`	`nothing else`
`01:15.56`	`laptopdude90`	`oh`
`01:15.57`	`laptopdude90`	`:/`
`01:16.15`	`laptopdude90`	`Do I need more"?`
`01:16.24`	`lvlinux`	`define "need"`
`01:16.33`	`laptopdude90`	`For home use, maybe eventually for a small business`
`01:16.47`	`robmal`	`You shoudl define 'ridiculously expensive' for yourself.`
`01:17.06`	`laptopdude90`	`More than, say, a few hundred bucks`
`01:17.20`	`laptopdude90`	`http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-of-128-Cisco-7941-Gigabit-VoIP-IP-Business-Phones-Box-of-Handsets-/272038575615?hash=item3f56c33dff:g:iMAAAOSwT5tWPOWJ`
`01:17.22`	`robmal`	`Good job. That's not cisco.`
`01:17.25`	`laptopdude90`	`Anybody wanna split it? :#`
`01:17.27`	`laptopdude90`	`:3*`
`01:17.38`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`01:17.53`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: guess why those are on eBay for cheap`
`01:17.57`	`robmal`	`Sure, we'll share the earpiece.`
`01:18.01`	`laptopdude90`	`Because they're bad?`
`01:18.12`	`laptopdude90`	`You take the earpieces, I'll take the bases`
`01:18.13`	`robmal`	`You can have it 8-16 and i'll have it 16-8`
`01:18.25`	`lvlinux`	`no they aren't bad, just nobody wants them. They sound good, work fine, built well. That's IT.`
`01:18.35`	`robmal`	`Just make sure it makes to 4pm polish time to my place.`
`01:18.46`	`laptopdude90`	`Is it going to be hell to switch them out at a later time?`
`01:18.54`	`robmal`	`Sure.`
`01:19.05`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: unplug and program your new phone`
`01:19.14`	`laptopdude90`	`sounds easy enough`
`01:19.22`	`robmal`	`If it's the same make and model.`
`01:19.32`	`robmal`	`If anything is not - pray`
`01:19.32`	`laptopdude90`	`I meant with a newer one`
`01:19.40`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: but why waste money/time when you will want something else in a month`
`01:19.47`	`laptopdude90`	`It's not going to be in a month`
`01:19.50`	`laptopdude90`	`It'll be in a few years`
`01:20.00`	`lvlinux`	`if you get the Ciscos it will be in a month`
`01:20.03`	`laptopdude90`	`+I don't wanna pay a bunch for the prototype`
`01:20.09`	`laptopdude90`	`really?`
`01:20.12`	`laptopdude90`	`Just for home use?`
`01:20.17`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you can't extract max coolness from your Asterisk from those phones`
`01:20.32`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: and going on everything else you have said, you want max coolnes from your phone sys.`
`01:20.39`	`robmal`	`Dude, i'll make this bold (sorry) FIGURE OUT WHAT DO YOU NEED, THEN BUY SHIT`
`01:20.40`	`laptopdude90`	`yup :3`
`01:21.05`	`laptopdude90`	`I want people to come over for a LAN party and they'll be all like`
`01:21.08`	`laptopdude90`	`wow man sick rig`
`01:21.10`	`laptopdude90`	`and I'll be like`
`01:21.16`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah it's k, but check out my phone system`
`01:21.20`	`laptopdude90`	`and they'll be like "woah"`
`01:21.33`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: with Cisco 79xx they'll be like "oh"`
`01:21.35`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`01:21.42`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah so I need something better :D`
`01:21.43`	`robmal`	`I think something inside me has bursted and i will die now.`
`01:21.49`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`01:21.51`	`laptopdude90`	`rip`
`01:21.57`	`robmal`	`[']`
`01:21.59`	`drab`	`from laughter? cuz that's what I was about to do`
`01:22.09`	`drab`	`next I was hoping for a quote from the hackers movie`
`01:22.12`	`laptopdude90`	`Can IP phones play recorded messages off of asterisk?`
`01:22.12`	`drab`	`hack the planet yo`
`01:22.17`	`robmal`	`Yay!`
`01:22.19`	`robmal`	`Yes!`
`01:22.27`	`laptopdude90`	`oh boy`
`01:22.29`	`laptopdude90`	`lods of features`
`01:22.31`	`laptopdude90`	`probly`
`01:22.37`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: if you want some 7960s I'll sell you some cheap. But seriously get some cooler phones.`
`01:22.45`	`zer0cool`	`:D`
`01:22.53`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`01:23.02`	`robmal`	`https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEkrWRHCDQU`
`01:23.15`	`laptopdude90`	`Can you sell me the cooler phones?`
`01:23.29`	`zer0cool`	`robmal: lol,priceless, thank you`
`01:23.29`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: if you want a 7960 to play with I'll sell it for like $10+actual shipping to Canada`
`01:23.34`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: What time is it at your place?`
`01:23.38`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: NO I keep cool phones lol`
`01:23.52`	`laptopdude90`	`It's 9:23`
`01:23.55`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm in Halifax`
`01:24.13`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: splurge and get yourself one Yealink T46G`
`01:24.15`	`robmal`	`Ok.`
`01:24.26`	`robmal`	`Get a piece of paper and a pen/pencil.`
`01:24.27`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you will be in cool heaven.`
`01:24.38`	`laptopdude90`	`dude I can't afford that`
`01:24.38`	`robmal`	`Drow your future VoIP network.`
`01:24.43`	`laptopdude90`	`It's all the money`
`01:24.49`	`robmal`	`Ok.`
`01:24.55`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you can find a good used one sometimes for about 70 or so.`
`01:25.03`	`laptopdude90`	`I have an idea`
`01:25.04`	`robmal`	`Break your neighbours window, cut your veins.`
`01:25.05`	`laptopdude90`	`Buy just one of them`
`01:25.12`	`laptopdude90`	`And put it on a trolley and wheel it around the hous`
`01:25.16`	`robmal`	`Draw with your blood your future network.`
`01:25.18`	`laptopdude90`	`We can all share it`
`01:25.28`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: yeah your mom/dad will love that.`
`01:25.43`	`robmal`	`Make a picture, paste it here, call911.`
`01:25.56`	`laptopdude90`	`I think they'd be madder that I spent $200 on a phone`
`01:26.05`	`laptopdude90`	`Okay`
`01:26.07`	`laptopdude90`	`here we go`
`01:26.09`	`robmal`	`I'm pretty sure theye are.`
`01:26.14`	`robmal`	`I would be.`
`01:26.14`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: look for a Snom 360 or 320.`
`01:26.15`	`lvlinux`	`80% coolnes factor, supports tons of features, cheap.`
`01:26.43`	`laptopdude90`	`Still cost more than I'd like`
`01:27.04`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Focus now.`
`01:27.10`	`robmal`	`Paper.`
`01:27.10`	`laptopdude90`	`Honestly I like your offer for the $10 phones`
`01:27.12`	`robmal`	`Pen.`
`01:27.13`	`laptopdude90`	`Just temp`
`01:27.14`	`robmal`	`Draw.`
`01:27.15`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah got it`
`01:27.17`	`laptopdude90`	`here we go`
`01:27.18`	`robmal`	`Your.`
`01:27.21`	`robmal`	`Network.`
`01:27.21`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: i just put in 5 Yealink T46Gs at a church office---color screen, they tell the weather, XML browser, bluetooth. Super cool`
`01:29.09`	`laptopdude90`	`thats more than my house cost`
`01:29.12`	`laptopdude90`	`picture is done`
`01:29.15`	`laptopdude90`	`how do I upload`
`01:29.28`	`drab`	`ascii art it for extra coolness`
`01:29.44`	`laptopdude90`	`ok`
`01:30.45`	`*** join/#asterisk TechSmurf (~jdaniel@unaffiliated/techsmurf)`
`01:31.25`	`laptopdude90`	`http://i.imgur.com/BoVvuV5.png`
`01:31.39`	`robmal`	`Ok, clicking.`
`01:32.20`	`robmal`	`Oh.`
`01:32.37`	`robmal`	`It's quite good.`
`01:32.47`	`laptopdude90`	`wow I'm honored`
`01:32.53`	`robmal`	`It's surprisingly good.`
`01:33.11`	`laptopdude90`	`what makes it so good`
`01:33.44`	`robmal`	`So now: move the asterisk server just below pfSense. Make it the gateway for a vlan there, where all the ipphones get the 'internet' from'.`
`01:34.07`	`laptopdude90`	`any specific reason?`
`01:34.07`	`robmal`	`Make asterisk have access to the internet, so it can connect to your ITSPs.`
`01:34.36`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah it can do that already`
`01:34.37`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: 'The guy on the internet said so' has to be enough.`
`01:34.41`	`laptopdude90`	`k`
`01:34.48`	`laptopdude90`	`So 2 LANS on asterisk`
`01:34.50`	`laptopdude90`	`1 to pfsense`
`01:34.53`	`laptopdude90`	`1 to phone LAN`
`01:34.56`	`*** part/#asterisk TechSmurf (~jdaniel@unaffiliated/techsmurf)`
`01:35.09`	`robmal`	`Doesn't have to be but it'll be easier for you so ok.`
`01:35.27`	`laptopdude90`	`lvlinux, can I pm?`
`01:35.48`	`robmal`	`So, from pfSense 2 vlans: 1 for PCs, 2nd for Asterisk and it's minions.`
`01:36.32`	`laptopdude90`	`I actually use physical lans`
`01:36.40`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm that kind of guy`
`01:36.46`	`robmal`	`Whatevers.`
`01:37.00`	`robmal`	`BTW - if you have free ports that's even better.`
`01:37.26`	`robmal`	`But it's usful only when you reach port capacity on any vlan.`
`01:37.43`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got all the ports`
`01:38.25`	`laptopdude90`	`Just have to see about buying a few phones off lvlinux`
`01:39.35`	`robmal`	`So, Asterisk, 2 ports, one directly to pfSense (drop all incoming except sip 5060 and udp 10k-20k, you can leave all outgoing), second to lan for phones - serving as a dhcp gateway (you can do magic things with dhcp options and things like voice vlan on switches)`
`01:39.59`	`robmal`	`Nononono, lvlinux is trying to rip you off, buy from me, me me! ;-)`
`01:40.14`	`robmal`	`(just kidding, don't buy anything now)`
`01:43.31`	`laptopdude90`	`why not?`
`01:45.17`	`robmal`	`1) Each phone manufacturer has his own configuration, you'll spend some time to set it up. 2) Each model has it's specific capabilities. I have no idea what do you need your phones to do (except making ring d'Oh) so you might need not the lowest models.`
`01:46.22`	`robmal`	`But yeah, you know, if you're on a spending spree - htt://paypal.me/robmal`
`01:46.54`	`robmal`	`I can even guarantee something depending on your payment.`
`01:48.24`	`laptopdude90`	`I need to transfer calls`
`01:48.28`	`laptopdude90`	`And that's about it`
`01:48.43`	`laptopdude90`	`Oh and play messages I suppose`
`01:48.54`	`robmal`	`You don't need phones to do that.`
`01:48.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Phones themselves don't "play messages"`
`01:49.09`	`laptopdude90`	`But the messages are on the server`
`01:49.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And ANY kinda of device can trnasfer calls`
`01:49.17`	`laptopdude90`	`So can't I play them on the phone?`
`01:49.19`	`robmal`	`[TK]D-Fender: Shh, i could be earning moneys now!`
`01:49.30`	`laptopdude90`	`My family has a completely different internet connection than I`
`01:49.40`	`laptopdude90`	`so they've got to be able to do it all from the phone`
`01:49.44`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: That's not a problem.`
`01:49.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`understand the difference is LISTENING to somethig on a phone.. and the phone PLAYING something`
`01:49.53`	`laptopdude90`	`okay, so they can play the messages from the phone?`
`01:49.54`	`robmal`	`[TK]D-Fender: Shhh!`
`01:50.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"the messages" <- also vague`
`01:50.09`	`drab`	`mmmh, so I went back and out of curiosity took out the nat=yes and internal/external stanzas from the sip general file and everything still works (can make inbound and outbound phone calls as before)`
`01:50.10`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: No, asterisk can.`
`01:50.13`	`robmal`	`[TK]D-Fender: SHHH!`
`01:50.13`	`laptopdude90`	`As in when someone calls`
`01:50.16`	`laptopdude90`	`And it goes`
`01:50.23`	`laptopdude90`	`"pls leave message thx luv u"`
`01:50.23`	`drab`	`are those only used when phones are connecting through NAT to an external sip server?`
`01:50.30`	`laptopdude90`	`and then the message goes on the server right`
`01:50.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`The PHONE does not do that`
`01:50.36`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah ik`
`01:50.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`incorrect`
`01:50.38`	`robmal`	`drab: I said, some combination would work ;-)`
`01:50.41`	`drab`	`as it stands I have asterisk and the phones on the same network connecting to vitelity through nat`
`01:50.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`the SERVER is doing all of that`
`01:50.47`	`laptopdude90`	`I don't want to record the messages on the server`
`01:50.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it has nothing to do with the phone`
`01:50.50`	`laptopdude90`	`I just want to play them back on the phone`
`01:50.58`	`drab`	`robmal: well at this point it seems the only thing I needed to do was to port forward 5060`
`01:51.03`	`laptopdude90`	`Sorry I do want to store them on the server`
`01:51.04`	`drab`	`nothing else was needed on the asterisk side`
`01:51.14`	`laptopdude90`	`So can I play back the messages on the phone?`
`01:51.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Do you think the voicemail you use with your cell-phone is run OFF of your cell phone?`
`01:51.17`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Don't listen to [TK]D-Fender, he uses CAPS to make his statements APPEAR CORRECT.`
`01:51.18`	`drab`	`I've reverted to my older configs, restarted and things are fine`
`01:51.22`	`drab`	`nothing broke`
`01:51.33`	`laptopdude90`	`Cause I'd like to be able to do that on any phone in the house`
`01:51.47`	`drab`	`so the nat configuration stuff doesn't seem needed when instead I thought it was`
`01:51.52`	`drab`	`so trying to correct my misunderstanding`
`01:51.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`you can`
`01:51.58`	`drab`	`cuz clearly there's still something I don't get here`
`01:52.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`understand this is the server doing the job`
`01:52.08`	`robmal`	`drab: Nothing new. My international calls broke today around 4pm and reverting the config from 10 days didn't fix it ;-)`
`01:52.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`your phone records nothing`
`01:52.16`	`laptopdude90`	`Ik`
`01:52.21`	`laptopdude90`	`The server does`
`01:52.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`you call into the voicemail system just like you do on any other phone with VM`
`01:52.28`	`laptopdude90`	`But I want to PLAY IT BACK on the phones`
`01:52.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`tht is a call between your phone and the server`
`01:52.47`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: OH NOES!`
`01:52.52`	`laptopdude90`	`Okay so I can do that?`
`01:52.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`everything is jsut a call`
`01:53.00`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm not asking how`
`01:53.05`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Yes.`
`01:53.05`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm just asking is it possible`
`01:53.08`	`laptopdude90`	`good`
`01:53.24`	`laptopdude90`	`So then the cheap cisco phones will be fine`
`01:53.35`	`robmal`	`Dude, again.`
`01:53.51`	`robmal`	`I'm pretty sure you don't need phones.`
`01:54.05`	`laptopdude90`	`then how do I call people`
`01:54.36`	`robmal`	`Poke [TK]D-Fender with a stick and shout 'Originate, bitch'`
`01:54.43`	`robmal`	`(Sorry, had to)`
`01:54.50`	`laptopdude90`	`actually though why don't I need phones`
`01:54.58`	`laptopdude90`	`Cause I thought the last hour was trying to figure out what phones I need`
`01:55.19`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: You'll be fine using sip phones as apps for cellphones.`
`01:55.33`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah but I also need desk phones`
`01:55.42`	`laptopdude90`	`My mom doesn't even have a cellphone`
`01:55.50`	`laptopdude90`	`And we have like 6 landlines`
`01:56.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You said you had 2 lines...`
`01:56.03`	`laptopdude90`	`Oh and I suppose I need a cordless IP phone`
`01:56.05`	`laptopdude90`	`Yesss`
`01:56.10`	`robmal`	`Ok. You need like 7 cell phones? ;-)`
`01:56.10`	`laptopdude90`	`And the entire point of this`
`01:56.14`	`laptopdude90`	`Is to get away from them`
`01:56.24`	`laptopdude90`	`7 landline phones, 2 phone numbers`
`01:56.27`	`laptopdude90`	`how's that`
`01:56.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`better.`
`01:56.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Don't call a "phone" a "line"`
`01:56.46`	`laptopdude90`	`Okay did you just get here`
`01:56.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I own a road. it's how I drive to work.'`
`01:56.55`	`robmal`	`:-D`
`01:56.55`	`laptopdude90`	`Because I'm suddenly reexplaining everything`
`01:57.07`	`laptopdude90`	`Let's start the begining`
`01:57.09`	`laptopdude90`	`I want phones`
`01:57.10`	`laptopdude90`	`to call people`
`01:57.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You are using wrong words to describe things`
`01:57.30`	`robmal`	`Ok, ok, chill, people.`
`01:57.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`If you want to know where confusion comes from ... that was it`
`01:57.32`	`laptopdude90`	`and the phones neeed the ability to call people`
`01:57.36`	`laptopdude90`	`and transfer`
`01:57.48`	`laptopdude90`	`And I need the linux guy`
`01:57.51`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Buy that ipphones, as many as you need.`
`01:57.52`	`laptopdude90`	`Cause he has cheap phones`
`01:58.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You could use ATA's with your existing phones. You could get any phone you can power and configure with a protocol * can speak`
`01:58.05`	`laptopdude90`	`Oh boy $500/month in phone bills`
`01:58.12`	`laptopdude90`	`TK we've been over that`
`01:58.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Cisco can work but will likely involve a fair amount of pain. Go for it.`
`01:58.20`	`laptopdude90`	`The existing system is stupid`
`01:58.29`	`laptopdude90`	`I want to be able to use all the phones as once`
`01:58.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`What "system"?`
`01:58.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You said you had a "dumb line"`
`01:58.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that isn't a system`
`01:58.40`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah exactly`
`01:58.42`	`laptopdude90`	`Okay`
`01:58.45`	`laptopdude90`	`The non-system`
`01:58.49`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: You don't need a guy who knows a linux/asterisk guy since you know better what you need than guys here who do linux/asterisk everyday :-)`
`01:58.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Stop calling it a system`
`01:59.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and I didn't say you'd use those existing phones on the same port`
`01:59.03`	`laptopdude90`	`No but the linux guy`
`01:59.07`	`laptopdude90`	`He's gonna sell me the phones`
`01:59.10`	`robmal`	`So, buy the phones and GTFO :-)`
`01:59.16`	`laptopdude90`	`He's not online`
`01:59.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Whatever`
`01:59.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Get whateveer kind of device you want. Just be warned that Ciscos are espcially large PITA's`
`01:59.47`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah that's what I'm trying to do .-.`
`01:59.51`	`laptopdude90`	`But the seller isn't online`
`01:59.56`	`laptopdude90`	`.---------------------------------------.`
`01:59.57`	`robmal`	`Also: cheaper models of pretty much anything.`
`02:00.05`	`robmal`	`And anything your using for the first time.`
`02:00.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And that 79XX series have very specific power requirements that are not standard 802.3af PoE`
`02:00.13`	`robmal`	`And anything asterisk.`
`02:00.20`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah we worked out a switch for them`
`02:00.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Make a wrong choice and they'll be bricks until you spend more on them`
`02:00.43`	`laptopdude90`	`are you just trying to shut me down`
`02:00.48`	`laptopdude90`	`cause we were making progress`
`02:00.50`	`laptopdude90`	`and you showed up`
`02:00.55`	`laptopdude90`	`And then I had to reexplain everything`
`02:01.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I'm trying to make you aware that that stupid specific series is FUCKING PICKY`
`02:01.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You are desperately chasing "cheap",.`
`02:01.16`	`robmal`	`:-)`
`02:01.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`That family of phoones has CONSEQUENCES`
`02:01.33`	`robmal`	`runs for moar popcorn`
`02:01.45`	`laptopdude90`	`because I just want phones`
`02:01.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Are you getting the picture yet?`
`02:01.54`	`laptopdude90`	`I don't want to be able to browse the bloody internet on the phone`
`02:01.55`	`laptopdude90`	`I wanna call`
`02:02.01`	`laptopdude90`	`I wanna call everyone`
`02:02.06`	`laptopdude90`	`I wanna call Obama and be like`
`02:02.08`	`robmal`	`[TK]D-Fender: You shoud be aware i've made a standalone drinking game because of you.`
`02:02.10`	`laptopdude90`	`"hey I gots the phones"`
`02:02.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`robmal, I expect that royalty check now...`
`02:02.29`	`robmal`	`Every time you CAPS or someone in response CAPSES - a sip of whiskey.`
`02:02.50`	`laptopdude90`	`btw tk`
`02:02.50`	`drab`	`lol`
`02:02.52`	`laptopdude90`	`No swearing`
`02:02.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`robmal, You'd better be already on that transplant list...`
`02:03.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`laptopdude90, Things don't seem to be sinking in.`
`02:03.11`	`laptopdude90`	`</3`
`02:03.16`	`laptopdude90`	`b/c I just want a phone'`
`02:03.31`	`laptopdude90`	`I don't need anything fancy ya ding dong`
`02:03.37`	`robmal`	`I am - first on 'liver rejected' ;-)`
`02:03.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`laptopdude90, If you're going gaga over that one particular series and are then making switch considerations that only support that you are pidgeon-holing yourself`
`02:03.59`	`laptopdude90`	`oui`
`02:04.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`laptopdude90, If you want to go that route you should at least be aware of that`
`02:04.05`	`laptopdude90`	`How much do you think I'm spending on the switch?`
`02:04.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Just be sure of what you're getting.`
`02:04.43`	`laptopdude90`	`> How much do you think I'm spending on the switch?`
`02:04.52`	`robmal`	`1 million dollars.`
`02:05.02`	`laptopdude90`	`it seems like it lol'`
`02:05.09`	`robmal`	`1 thousand dollars?`
`02:05.18`	`laptopdude90`	`maybe`
`02:05.24`	`robmal`	`YAY!`
`02:05.29`	`laptopdude90`	`you win`
`02:05.30`	`robmal`	`Paypal or wire transfer?`
`02:05.38`	`laptopdude90`	`why not both`
`02:05.49`	`robmal`	`How many ports?`
`02:05.55`	`laptopdude90`	`all the ports`
`02:05.55`	`robmal`	`AFAIK you need 7.`
`02:06.01`	`laptopdude90`	`just realized the switch is marked as broken xD`
`02:06.02`	`robmal`	`I'll get you.... 8!`
`02:06.04`	`laptopdude90`	`But it's 24 port`
`02:06.13`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got piles of 24 port switches`
`02:06.16`	`laptopdude90`	`I'll use one of em`
`02:06.21`	`robmal`	`Oh.`
`02:06.31`	`robmal`	`But they don't work how you want them to.`
`02:06.35`	`robmal`	`Right?`
`02:06.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`laptopdude90, link it again`
`02:06.46`	`laptopdude90`	`THey don't have POE`
`02:06.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`\o/`
`02:07.02`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: I'm back temporarily. You send me an email?`
`02:07.06`	`robmal`	`I'll get you 8 port PoE switch <1k USD`
`02:07.07`	`laptopdude90`	`hey`
`02:07.14`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah I want to buy them phones`
`02:07.14`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: lol`
`02:07.15`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: GTFO!`
`02:07.22`	`robmal`	`;-)`
`02:07.24`	`laptopdude90`	`How much for shipping`
`02:07.29`	`robmal`	`FREE!`
`02:07.34`	`laptopdude90`	`And do they come with the wall warts`
`02:07.42`	`robmal`	`No.`
`02:07.45`	`robmal`	`No bugs.`
`02:07.45`	`lvlinux`	`don't know I'll have to check on it. Hey robmal what's your UPS shipping number?`
`02:08.00`	`laptopdude90`	`How many do you have available`
`02:08.14`	`lvlinux`	`I think 5 or 6.`
`02:08.22`	`lvlinux`	`You only want one.`
`02:08.26`	`laptopdude90`	`yup`
`02:08.34`	`laptopdude90`	`2 actually, so I can play with transfer`
`02:08.42`	`*** join/#asterisk jeev (~j@unaffiliated/jeev)`
`02:08.43`	`lvlinux`	`they don't have transfer`
`02:08.43`	`laptopdude90`	`Let me know on the adapters`
`02:08.48`	`laptopdude90`	`really`
`02:08.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`No warts`
`02:08.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`they have cream for that`
`02:08.59`	`robmal`	`My switches were cleaned with Mr Proper by Ukrainian wannabe brides in their lingerie. I had picutres but had to give them to the ukrainian mob.`
`02:09.03`	`laptopdude90`	`then how do I move a call to a different phone`
`02:09.09`	`lvlinux`	`lol jk i don't knowif they do transfer or not but you can do it with DTMF and *`
`02:09.29`	`laptopdude90`	`DTMF?`
`02:09.43`	`lvlinux`	`tone buttons`
`02:09.54`	`lvlinux`	`123456789*0#`
`02:09.56`	`laptopdude90`	`k so DTMF + * does a transfer?`
`02:10.04`	`robmal`	`No, lvlinuxes switches only support VeryDirTyMouthFuck`
`02:10.05`	`laptopdude90`	`ah, got it`
`02:10.11`	`lvlinux`	`you set it to whatever you want in *`
`02:10.17`	`lvlinux`	`#1 or something`
`02:10.17`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`02:10.30`	`laptopdude90`	`so if they have adapters and shipping isn't too bad`
`02:10.32`	`laptopdude90`	`I'll take 2`
`02:10.35`	`lvlinux`	`shipping is probably going to be more than you want to pay thoguh.`
`02:10.40`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah`
`02:10.46`	`laptopdude90`	`Might as well check tho`
`02:11.05`	`lvlinux`	`maybe I should reword that--- "I guarantee you will not receive power adapters from me"`
`02:11.08`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`02:11.11`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: If you sell anything to laptopdude90 - you owe me a postcard, i haven't seen a circus like this in a long time.`
`02:11.22`	`drab`	`can I get a postcard too`
`02:11.24`	`drab`	`?`
`02:11.32`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: lol I'm libel to send him tons of junk.`
`02:11.40`	`robmal`	`drab: You'll get my postcard.`
`02:11.41`	`drab`	`it was a bad day until this started, thank you`
`02:11.45`	`lvlinux`	`s/libel/liable/g`
`02:11.49`	`laptopdude90`	`Do you take 3d printed stuff as payment? :3`
`02:11.58`	`lvlinux`	`maybe`
`02:12.11`	`laptopdude90`	`wow really`
`02:12.20`	`lvlinux`	`but i prefer bitcoin, or western union, or wire transfer lol`
`02:12.25`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah kk`
`02:12.26`	`lvlinux`	`or paypal`
`02:12.29`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`02:12.30`	`lvlinux`	`or credit card`
`02:12.32`	`lvlinux`	`or cash`
`02:12.33`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`02:12.35`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`02:12.36`	`laptopdude90`	`:3`
`02:12.36`	`lvlinux`	`or check by phone`
`02:12.38`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`02:12.54`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`02:12.55`	`laptopdude90`	`The 3d printed thing is open to all BTW`
`02:13.29`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: this is not a selling market---so watch it.`
`02:13.32`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`02:13.41`	`laptopdude90`	`sorry`
`02:14.05`	`lvlinux`	`that was sarcasm btw`
`02:14.17`	`laptopdude90`	`oh`
`02:14.19`	`laptopdude90`	`kk :P`
`02:15.35`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: So, a hard working troll?`
`02:15.46`	`laptopdude90`	`wat?`
`02:16.47`	`robmal`	`You asked all the wrong questions, kept all the threads live.`
`02:17.20`	`robmal`	`People who don't know shit about VoIP are too lazy do to that.`
`02:18.26`	`laptopdude90`	`now I'm more confused`
`02:19.41`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`02:20.26`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: You should buy phones from lvlinux :-)`
`02:20.59`	`lvlinux`	`yeah then you too can be the proud owner of reject junk phones`
`02:21.17`	`laptopdude90`	`I just want to call people ;(`
`02:21.28`	`robmal`	`^ which you can use all the time`
`02:21.44`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: well you can hook your existing phones to Asterisk and call pepole with them`
`02:22.00`	`laptopdude90`	`But I wanna saves the cash money`
`02:22.09`	`laptopdude90`	`Its the only way there's a change of getting my dad onboard`
`02:22.19`	`robmal`	`Oh.`
`02:22.33`	`robmal`	`So how much do you pay now?`
`02:22.44`	`laptopdude90`	`$50/month`
`02:22.56`	`laptopdude90`	`And I found a replacement ITSP for $10/month`
`02:23.00`	`robmal`	`How much fixed and mobile?`
`02:23.01`	`laptopdude90`	`And there's a free winnipeg line`
`02:23.12`	`laptopdude90`	`Which I'm gonna steal for myself`
`02:23.20`	`laptopdude90`	`$50 for fixed`
`02:23.26`	`laptopdude90`	`$60 for cell`
`02:23.30`	`laptopdude90`	`But I'm not replacing cell`
`02:24.05`	`robmal`	`Dude, $50+$60 != $50/mo`
`02:24.19`	`laptopdude90`	`>But I'm not replacing cell`
`02:24.22`	`robmal`	`Focus now.`
`02:24.30`	`robmal`	`HOw much are you using now.`
`02:24.37`	`laptopdude90`	`What do you mean?`
`02:24.44`	`robmal`	`How many minures.`
`02:24.48`	`robmal`	`minutes*`
`02:24.54`	`robmal`	`fixed/mobile`
`02:24.56`	`laptopdude90`	`A few hundred, maybe, per month?`
`02:25.03`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm not replacining mobile`
`02:25.06`	`robmal`	`For .ca as I assume.`
`02:25.06`	`laptopdude90`	`So it's not relevant`
`02:25.11`	`laptopdude90`	`yea`
`02:25.30`	`robmal`	`So - only fixed.`
`02:25.40`	`robmal`	`How many minutes do you use?`
`02:25.41`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah`
`02:25.47`	`laptopdude90`	`A few hundred per month`
`02:25.54`	`laptopdude90`	`I've already picked out my ITSP`
`02:25.57`	`robmal`	`101 or 999 ?`
`02:26.04`	`laptopdude90`	`400, let's say`
`02:26.17`	`robmal`	`And all in .ca ?`
`02:26.26`	`laptopdude90`	`yes`
`02:26.32`	`robmal`	`~itsp-ca`
`02:26.41`	`robmal`	`~itsplist-ca`
`02:26.41`	`infobot`	`itsplist-ca is probably Here are some popular Canadian ITSPs: http://www.les.net , http://www.babytel.ca , http://www.voip.ms, http://unlimitel.ca`
`02:26.44`	`laptopdude90`	`>I've already picked out my ITSP`
`02:27.04`	`robmal`	`(i'LL NEVER remember this crap)`
`02:27.08`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: so?`
`02:27.19`	`laptopdude90`	`so...`
`02:27.26`	`robmal`	`You need 1 asterisk box.`
`02:27.30`	`laptopdude90`	`Yes`
`02:27.32`	`robmal`	`on raspbery pi.`
`02:27.37`	`laptopdude90`	`Why on a pi`
`02:27.40`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got literal piles of server`
`02:27.43`	`robmal`	`cheaper than a dead moose.`
`02:27.43`	`laptopdude90`	`servers*`
`02:27.51`	`laptopdude90`	`And I use VMs for everything anyway`
`02:27.53`	`robmal`	`Sell the servers.`
`02:27.56`	`laptopdude90`	`Why`
`02:27.58`	`robmal`	`Buy rPi.`
`02:28.05`	`laptopdude90`	`Pis only have 1 ethernet`
`02:28.29`	`robmal`	`Ok, drop the servers into water, make new coral reef`
`02:28.57`	`laptopdude90`	`why`
`02:29.04`	`laptopdude90`	`Again`
`02:29.08`	`laptopdude90`	`Pis only have 1 ethernet`
`02:29.19`	`laptopdude90`	`And either way a VM is free`
`02:29.27`	`robmal`	`I've had 1 ethernet for 30 yars, you'll adapt.`
`02:29.39`	`laptopdude90`	`Remember what you literally said a few hours ago`
`02:29.45`	`laptopdude90`	`When I showed you the drawing`
`02:29.55`	`laptopdude90`	`You were all "put the asterisk server between pfsense and the phones"`
`02:29.57`	`robmal`	`Drawing was awesome.`
`02:30.03`	`laptopdude90`	`How can I do that with 1 ethernet port`
`02:30.17`	`drab`	`can anybody spot any different in the wording of "outgoing proxy" and "call server" ? manual doesn't quite point out if those are the same thing or not`
`02:30.35`	`robmal`	`But in the drawing you had pfSense in the front.`
`02:30.55`	`laptopdude90`	`yes`
`02:30.58`	`laptopdude90`	`And you told me to change it`
`02:31.10`	`laptopdude90`	`So it would be pfsense->asterisk->phones`
`02:31.11`	`robmal`	`drab: call server is for people with 'marketing' on their business cards.`
`02:31.25`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: So?`
`02:31.32`	`laptopdude90`	`That needs 2 ethernet ports`
`02:31.56`	`robmal`	`No, you need 2 vlans if you have only 1 eth (not possible).`
`02:32.09`	`laptopdude90`	`okay`
`02:32.11`	`laptopdude90`	`still though`
`02:32.12`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Draw me that. And a charmander.`
`02:32.13`	`laptopdude90`	`Why not a VPN`
`02:32.22`	`laptopdude90`	`Or some of the servers that I already have`
`02:32.24`	`laptopdude90`	`VM* not vpn`
`02:32.53`	`drab`	`fwiw, not quite a pi, but similar enough and with 4 ports: http://www.banana-pi.com/eacp_view.asp?id=64`
`02:33.05`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Draw me your future network schematics with a charmander saying ' [TK]D-Fender has a small penis ' :-)`
`02:33.18`	`laptopdude90`	`dude I'm not your slave`
`02:33.29`	`robmal`	`You want my help or not?`
`02:33.43`	`laptopdude90`	`Not if your suggestion is to throw my servers away and downgrade to a pi`
`02:34.00`	`robmal`	`You didn't so what's the problem?`
`02:34.26`	`laptopdude90`	`well obviously your suggestions are basd`
`02:34.28`	`laptopdude90`	`bad*`
`02:34.34`	`laptopdude90`	`so I don't see why I need them`
`02:34.49`	`robmal`	`Ok, good luck waiting for someone else :-)`
`02:35.06`	`laptopdude90`	`I got all the information I need`
`02:35.16`	`laptopdude90`	`You just suddenly decided you needed to help me`
`02:35.19`	`laptopdude90`	`I never asked for it`
`02:35.44`	`robmal`	`No way!`
`02:35.52`	`robmal`	`That's amazing.`
`02:35.58`	`laptopdude90`	`dude are you high`
`02:36.47`	`robmal`	`No, but i think this converstaion would be much more fun if you drew a fucking charmander.`
`02:38.29`	`laptopdude90`	`no swearing dude`
`02:38.47`	`robmal`	`Oh noes, don't go Voyager on me.`
`02:39.04`	`laptopdude90`	`linux guys rules`
`02:39.07`	`laptopdude90`	`not mine`
`02:40.43`	`robmal`	`Ok, my opinions aside, what equipment do you have laying around (routers, swithces, pcs)`
`02:41.26`	`laptopdude90`	`dude I don't want your help`
`02:42.17`	`robmal`	`</3`
`02:44.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`If you've got a server already running the sure, go for it. Th Pi idea isn't bad technically. It's lower power so easy to battery backup for hours and hours and doesn't have other stuff loaded to wear it down.`
`02:44.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Depends what you want to do`
`02:44.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`in the end.. whatever`
`02:47.22`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah I know, but considering how I have a VM server plus a bunch of other servers`
`02:49.13`	`robmal`	`You should draw a charmander just in case.`
`02:49.35`	`laptopdude90`	`are you high or drunk`
`02:51.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`never assumes mutual exclusivity...`
`02:52.12`	`robmal`	`None of the above, i have to keep an eye on rsync of ~3TB, restart sone services once it ends and do some tests which i can't autmate so i'm trying to entertain myself in anyway i can :-)`
`02:52.55`	`robmal`	`[TK]D-Fender: Both apply sometimes, just not tonight :-)`
`02:53.37`	`drab`	`I might have figured out what was happening, altho I can't tell why the heck it's happening`
`02:53.54`	`drab`	`these nortel have a "outbound proxy" configuration and a "call server" configuration`
`02:54.03`	`robmal`	`Hint: almost 4am my time - still no charmander`
`02:54.18`	`drab`	`for whatever reason on the ones that work the call server is set, on those that don't no dice even tho they both pull down the same general config`
`02:54.28`	`drab`	`beats me how that's happening, but at least now I know`
`02:54.47`	`robmal`	`Yay!`
`02:55.26`	`drab`	`well still not solved tho, I've had to disable tftp, set it manually and thenr eboot... can't do that will all the phones out in the field`
`02:55.49`	`robmal`	`So your tftp is fucked up :-(`
`02:55.51`	`drab`	`and that setting for whatever reason is not in the web interface, so can't even script it that way`
`02:56.05`	`drab`	`no, it isn't, it's serving the same config to all the phones`
`02:56.07`	`drab`	`some work, some don't`
`02:56.17`	`robmal`	`Same vlan?`
`02:56.20`	`drab`	`config is downloaded and applied correctly as the other settings are set`
`02:56.28`	`drab`	`so it seems for whatever reason only this one is missing`
`02:56.52`	`drab`	`nah, no vlans`
`02:57.29`	`robmal`	`Ok. Same firmware on the phones?`
`02:58.10`	`drab`	`yes, however I just noticed that the "H/W" field says 2.1 on one and 2.2 on the other. checking the other phones that don't work now`
`02:58.53`	`robmal`	`Might be it but doubtful.`
`02:59.11`	`*** join/#asterisk woleium (~woleium@bc.io)`
`03:09.40`	`drab`	`meh, it's just getting worse and worse`
`03:10.15`	`drab`	`now I set a bogus call server on the phone manually and it still registers with asterisk`
`03:10.34`	`drab`	`so I can't go back anymore to the broken state where it won't register`
`03:11.12`	`robmal`	`Awesome :-) So, what kind of phones are you using? (too lazy to scroll, sorry)`
`03:13.05`	`drab`	`some old lg-nortels they got on ebay in 2008 or something...`
`03:13.25`	`drab`	`phone was discontinued in 2007 from the little I found on google`
`03:13.34`	`robmal`	`Ok, and they stop registering?`
`03:14.10`	`drab`	`a bunch of them never register, a bunch did. there is a master config they all download and individial $mac based config with individual passwords`
`03:14.18`	`drab`	`so except for the pwd they are all configured identically`
`03:14.36`	`drab`	`pwd and line name`
`03:14.53`	`drab`	`and the problem it seems that those that don't work don't get this per line call server set`
`03:15.07`	`drab`	`the ones that work have that call server set on line1, they dones that don't register don't`
`03:15.20`	`robmal`	`Any chances of starting syslog to a remote server on the phones?`
`03:15.40`	`drab`	`if I change it manually then they start registering apparently, but then the above happened where if I change the call server toa bogus ip they still register`
`03:15.55`	`drab`	`nope, no such thing, at leat not that I can access and don't see it in the manual I found either`
`03:15.59`	`drab`	`flying pretty blind`
`03:17.35`	`drab`	`they seem to have bought boxes worth of them so I geuss I'm just gonna go through them 'till I find enough that work`
`03:17.41`	`drab`	`have already spent far too much time on this :/`
`03:17.43`	`robmal`	`I like 'wtf' cases at this time of night. Can you give me any way to access the phones cli/www and a copy of his provisioned config with apache access.log as well?`
`03:18.30`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: I'm back for a few mins`
`03:18.35`	`robmal`	`Scratch that apache - tftp ;-)`
`03:18.51`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: Good luck.`
`03:19.18`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: with what?`
`03:19.24`	`laptopdude90`	`hey man`
`03:19.28`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: With laptopdude90 :-)`
`03:19.31`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`03:19.43`	`laptopdude90`	`So those phones`
`03:20.52`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: what's ur zipcode?`
`03:21.01`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: errr up postal code`
`03:21.10`	`lvlinux`	`s/up/uh/g`
`03:21.26`	`laptopdude90`	`can I message you`
`03:21.55`	`lvlinux`	`i much prefer email but ok.`
`03:22.06`	`laptopdude90`	`Sure I can do email`
`03:22.08`	`laptopdude90`	`What's your address`
`03:22.24`	`lvlinux`	`it's on my site http://ruel.io`
`03:23.09`	`laptopdude90`	`sent`
`03:23.26`	`drab`	`robmal: I found the fix`
`03:23.38`	`drab`	`why it would have done that to begin with tho is still unknown`
`03:24.04`	`drab`	`so basically, as I said, there's one master config that sets among other thinsg the outgoing sip proxy`
`03:24.23`	`drab`	`and then individual MAC configs only have extention number and secret`
`03:24.37`	`drab`	`one per configure line`
`03:24.42`	`drab`	`configured*`
`03:24.47`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: yikes! are u on an island or something?`
`03:24.51`	`lvlinux`	`shipping is high`
`03:25.12`	`drab`	`drab: so what seems to be happening is that on some phones the outgoing proxy was used as the call servers for all the lines`
`03:25.15`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm on the edge of Canada`
`03:25.19`	`drab`	`eer, robmal ^^`
`03:25.21`	`laptopdude90`	`How high`
`03:26.08`	`lvlinux`	`well for the big box i was gonna send you $125`
`03:26.15`	`drab`	`robmal: in others it didn't. the fix is to add a line1_proxy_address to the individual MAC file. once that's set the magic happens and the phones register (at least these test ones)`
`03:26.25`	`lvlinux`	`I can send a flat rate box for $60, but that's still high`
`03:26.41`	`drab`	`robmal: it's also still beyond me why, once I manually overrode the setting to an unknown ip, it would still register`
`03:27.07`	`drab`	`none of that makes sense, but I think I'm gonna regen the tftp configs with that added setting and call it a day`
`03:29.09`	`robmal`	`drab: Sorry, had to erm, make pictures. Which phones have this 'awesome' feature?`
`03:29.11`	`*** join/#asterisk vader- (~Adium@pool-71-175-67-97.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)`
`03:31.07`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: i was gonna send you a polycom too`
`03:33.00`	`laptopdude90`	`Awwwww`
`03:33.02`	`drab`	`robmal: http://www.buzzbox.cc/lip6812i.pdf`
`03:33.58`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: but that's just too high for shipping. Maybe I can check UPS.`
`03:34.33`	`laptopdude90`	`don't bother`
`03:34.57`	`lvlinux`	`yeah they charge broker fees up there don't they?`
`03:35.13`	`lvlinux`	`up in Kanada`
`03:36.08`	`robmal`	`drab: LG is a synonym for 'not working', but i'll give it a look once i stop the reflux (they owe me $ ;-) )`
`03:36.41`	`drab`	`alright, everything's reconfigured and seems to be working. thanks robmal [TK]D-Fender igcewieling1`
`03:36.57`	`robmal`	`drab: O`
`03:36.58`	`drab`	`robmal: sure. to add to the list of odd things - you can see sshots in the manual from the voip page`
`03:37.02`	`robmal`	`<ej/`
`03:37.05`	`drab`	`and that clearly shows a "line" section`
`03:37.05`	`robmal`	`FUCK`
`03:37.08`	`robmal`	`Meh.`
`03:37.11`	`robmal`	`Ok.`
`03:37.22`	`robmal`	`Kbd panic.`
`03:37.34`	`drab`	`I don't have such a thing.. I can see an empty div, so clearly something is amiss on those devices`
`03:38.00`	`robmal`	`drab: I'd be better to check your configs myself so ssh and a ssh tunnel to the phone would be great.`
`03:38.51`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: take it as a blessing in disguise: now you won't be stuck with junk phones.`
`03:39.48`	`robmal`	`If you can't - get a phone, make an extension far away from your normal range, put it in another vlan, whatevers. These phones are try&check to make working.`
`03:40.56`	`drab`	`robmal: no sweat, as it stands they work even tho I've still no idea why some did and some didn't to begin with`
`03:41.02`	`drab`	`gonna take a break, been nearly 9hrs non stop`
`03:41.07`	`drab`	`thanks again`
`03:43.04`	`robmal`	`drab: No problem, but if you come here crying all the phones stoped working and nobody knows why - good luck :-)`
`03:46.16`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: I found your phones: eBay item #281855915959`
`03:47.23`	`laptopdude90`	`oooo`
`03:47.57`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you looked at the book yet?`
`03:48.10`	`laptopdude90`	`pfft`
`03:48.11`	`laptopdude90`	`soooon`
`03:48.11`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: or got ur * install started?`
`03:48.15`	`laptopdude90`	`nope`
`03:48.22`	`lvlinux`	`not soon NOW`
`03:48.37`	`lvlinux`	`you can start using it with your ipod immediately`
`03:49.03`	`lvlinux`	`you can call your system and hear the weasels and the jedi trick and the monkeys!`
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`03:49.18`	`lvlinux`	`and tons of useful stuff too`
`03:50.52`	`lvlinux`	`well i gtg for the night. Been fun today :-)`
`03:52.12`	`lvlinux`	`goes to get ready to eat supper`
`03:56.40`	`robmal`	`:-)`
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`14:00.31`	`laptopdude90`	`K so Asterisk is stuck installing`
`14:00.38`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm doing it from the AsteriskNOW iso`
`14:00.50`	`laptopdude90`	`69%, installing FreePBX web interface`
`14:06.31`	`laptopdude90`	`NVM it was just taking its sweet old time`
`14:41.03`	`laptopdude90`	`I have no idea what I'm doing and the manual says nothing about the web interface`
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`15:30.20`	`laptopdude90`	`Any idea why I'm getting '403 forbidden' when trying to connect my SIP client to the server?`
`15:32.23`	`robmal`	`No.`
`15:34.24`	`laptopdude90`	`Also, when I try to send a SMS message from the UCP I get "Your message was not sent because your account has not yet been verified."`
`15:34.27`	`laptopdude90`	`robmal pls`
`15:35.36`	`robmal`	`:-)`
`15:36.09`	`robmal`	`I think your account has not been verified yet.`
`15:36.19`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah and I googled that`
`15:36.28`	`laptopdude90`	`And I couldn't find anything on it`
`15:36.32`	`laptopdude90`	`How do I verify?`
`15:37.47`	`robmal`	`I'd guess you have to do something they asked you to do during registration.`
`15:38.05`	`laptopdude90`	`Registration?`
`15:38.08`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm confused`
`15:38.08`	`robmal`	`I.e. a backflip`
`15:38.17`	`laptopdude90`	`Registration with whom`
`15:38.18`	`robmal`	`I know.`
`15:38.43`	`robmal`	`Well, uhm, the party you are to trying to call through.`
`15:39.09`	`laptopdude90`	`Okay`
`15:39.21`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm using Sipstation`
`15:39.23`	`laptopdude90`	`Free trial`
`15:39.43`	`robmal`	`Great.`
`15:39.56`	`laptopdude90`	`Okay I need to call them`
`15:39.58`	`laptopdude90`	`But I can't`
`15:40.04`	`laptopdude90`	`Because my SIP client won't connect .-.`
`15:40.38`	`robmal`	`:-(`
`15:40.47`	`robmal`	`That's aweful.`
`15:41.23`	`laptopdude90`	`How would you recommend I diagnose my problem?`
`15:41.34`	`laptopdude90`	`I set up an account in asterisk`
`15:41.38`	`laptopdude90`	`And that's what I'm trying to connect w`
`15:43.28`	`robmal`	`You should send sip debug to [TK]D-Fender.`
`15:43.45`	`laptopdude90`	`Would that be in the log files?`
`15:44.25`	`robmal`	`No.`
`15:44.27`	`robmal`	`https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY&feature=youtu.be&cows`
`15:44.43`	`laptopdude90`	`[2015-11-14 11:39:23] NOTICE[7367] chan_sip.c: Registration from '<sip:laptopdude90@192.168.1.207>' failed for '192.168.1.102:5070' - Wrong password`
`15:44.51`	`laptopdude90`	`But the pass is the same..`
`15:45.20`	`robmal`	`:-(`
`15:45.40`	`robmal`	`But it doesn't work.`
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`15:46.32`	`laptopdude90`	`I can log into the UCP`
`15:46.39`	`laptopdude90`	`But not into my SIP client`
`15:46.57`	`robmal`	`:-(`
`15:48.01`	`laptopdude90`	`What should I check?`
`15:48.20`	`robmal`	`The password.`
`15:48.40`	`laptopdude90`	`It emailed me the pass`
`15:48.46`	`laptopdude90`	`And then I put that pas in the SIP`
`15:48.50`	`laptopdude90`	`I've retyped it like 5 times`
`15:49.38`	`robmal`	`:-(`
`15:49.38`	`laptopdude90`	`Do I have to enable SIP on the account?`
`15:49.51`	`robmal`	`No, never. Disable everything.`
`15:50.05`	`laptopdude90`	`Then... how do I connect`
`15:50.12`	`laptopdude90`	`Do I have to use the number instead of the username?`
`15:50.20`	`robmal`	`No.`
`15:51.12`	`laptopdude90`	`Do I use the local IP or my public IP?`
`15:51.45`	`laptopdude90`	`Should I turn on more codecs?`
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`15:55.58`	`laptopdude90`	`pls?`
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`16:15.07`	`laptopdude90`	`Hey TK`
`16:16.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UCP has NOTHING to do with your SIP client.`
`16:16.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that is not the same user & pass`
`16:16.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`SIP = EXTENSION`
`16:17.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And you are in the wrong channel for support on this`
`16:17.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~freepbx`
`16:17.06`	`infobot`	`[~freepbx] FreePBX is unable to be supported here. It is made up of complex dialplans and scripts which can't be easily supported by people who aren't deeply involved. Try joining #freepbx and asking there`
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`16:34.20`	`laptopdude90`	`I DID IT`
`16:34.32`	`robmal`	`Oh :-(`
`16:34.48`	`laptopdude90`	`Confirmed working!`
`16:35.23`	`robmal`	`Oh no :-(`
`16:36.35`	`laptopdude90`	`k now what just happened`
`16:36.40`	`laptopdude90`	`So I call asterisk from my cell`
`16:36.41`	`laptopdude90`	`It goes`
`16:36.48`	`laptopdude90`	`It tells me about the call info`
`16:36.53`	`laptopdude90`	`It tells me my phone number`
`16:36.57`	`laptopdude90`	`like why`
`16:37.02`	`laptopdude90`	`how do I make it not`
`16:37.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`We don't know`
`16:37.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`we have no idea what you did`
`16:37.11`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm on default settings`
`16:37.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`no such thing as default`
`16:37.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and you're in the wrong channel`
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`16:37.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`GUI's are not supported here`
`16:37.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~freepbx`
`16:37.33`	`infobot`	`[~freepbx] FreePBX is unable to be supported here. It is made up of complex dialplans and scripts which can't be easily supported by people who aren't deeply involved. Try joining #freepbx and asking there`
`16:37.49`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah I'm not using the GUI`
`16:37.58`	`livtyler`	`I need the multicast feature enabled, where do I apply this? http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+MulticastRTP+channels`
`16:38.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You're using FreePBX`
`16:38.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`So yes, you are`
`16:39.49`	`laptopdude90`	`Um no. I'm not.`
`16:39.53`	`laptopdude90`	`I am using SSH.`
`16:40.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`That GUI is still what runs your system`
`16:40.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Too late`
`16:40.49`	`robmal`	`can has a lot of enjoy from this.`
`16:41.14`	`laptopdude90`	`I don't think you understand how a GUI runs`
`16:41.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`69%, installing FreePBX web interface`
`16:41.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^^^`
`16:41.28`	`laptopdude90`	`That was hours ago`
`16:41.29`	`laptopdude90`	`Since then`
`16:41.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I don't care if YOU are logfged in via SSH'`
`16:41.31`	`laptopdude90`	`I have reinstalled`
`16:41.35`	`laptopdude90`	`WITHOUT the web interface`
`16:41.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that GUI owns you now`
`16:41.42`	`laptopdude90`	`Reread what I said.`
`16:41.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`UCP = FreePBX`
`16:41.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I Did read`
`16:41.56`	`laptopdude90`	`I reinstalled`
`16:41.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and I know what that all is`
`16:41.58`	`laptopdude90`	`without`
`16:41.59`	`laptopdude90`	`the GUI`
`16:42.03`	`laptopdude90`	`without`
`16:42.04`	`laptopdude90`	`not with`
`16:42.05`	`laptopdude90`	`without`
`16:42.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Show us`
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`16:42.15`	`laptopdude90`	`how do you want me to do that?`
`16:42.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Show What you actually configured`
`16:42.35`	`laptopdude90`	`So just my sip.conf?`
`16:42.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`no`
`16:42.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`actual dialplan`
`16:42.53`	`laptopdude90`	`I've not touched the dialplan`
`16:42.59`	`laptopdude90`	`I don't even know what a dialplan is`
`16:43.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Then you've done just about nothing`
`16:43.06`	`laptopdude90`	`That is correct.`
`16:43.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You can't place calls`
`16:43.09`	`laptopdude90`	`That is what I said above.`
`16:43.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`there is nothing it will do`
`16:43.14`	`laptopdude90`	`I can place calls.`
`16:43.17`	`laptopdude90`	`I can't receive them.`
`16:43.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Show us`
`16:43.31`	`laptopdude90`	`How?`
`16:43.38`	`laptopdude90`	`Should I record myself making a call?`
`16:43.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`PASTEBIN the CLI output of your call`
`16:43.49`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm making the calls with a SIP client.`
`16:43.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`PASTEBIN the CLI output of your call`
`16:43.53`	`laptopdude90`	`Not from the CLI`
`16:43.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`PASTEBIN the CLI output of your call`
`16:43.58`	`laptopdude90`	`Not from the CLI`
`16:44.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`...`
`16:44.14`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm making the calls with a SIP client.`
`16:44.18`	`laptopdude90`	`Not from the CLI`
`16:44.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Log into the CLI and show us the OUTPUT your call generates`
`16:44.29`	`laptopdude90`	`how the hell do I do that`
`16:44.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`asterisk -rvvvvvvvvvvvvvv`
`16:44.56`	`laptopdude90`	`k and now I make a call?`
`16:45.23`	`JuanesPTY`	`Hello. I just finished installing Asterisk asterisk 13.6.0 on CentOS 7, but I'm not able to start it with the service asterisk start command. I get: "PID file /var/run/asterisk/asterisk.pid not readable (yet?) after start. / Supervising process 4042 which is not our child. We'll most likely not notice when it exits." If I start asterisk using safe_asterisk it does work. Any recommendations`
`16:45.23`	`JuanesPTY`	`on how to fix this?`
`16:45.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yes`
`16:45.48`	`laptopdude90`	`Nothing shows up`
`16:46.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`you said you could call`
`16:46.06`	`laptopdude90`	`Yes`
`16:46.11`	`laptopdude90`	`And the call went through`
`16:46.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`not to Asterisk it didn't`
`16:46.17`	`laptopdude90`	`'But nothing showed up in the cli`
`16:46.34`	`*** join/#asterisk ketas (~ketas@229-211-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee)`
`16:46.40`	`laptopdude90`	`http://pastebin.com/EMkDvKv5`
`16:46.52`	`laptopdude90`	`Considering how the SIP client is pointed at asterisk`
`16:46.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<[TK]D-Fender> asterisk -rvvvvvvvvvvvvvv`
`16:47.00`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm thinking it went through asterisk`
`16:47.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^`
`16:47.13`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`16:47.15`	`laptopdude90`	`trying again`
`16:47.25`	`laptopdude90`	`there we go`
`16:47.45`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you haven't read the book, have you now? bad juju...`
`16:47.51`	`laptopdude90`	`I couldn't find it`
`16:47.55`	`lvlinux`	`~book`
`16:47.55`	`infobot`	`Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook`
`16:47.56`	`laptopdude90`	`I searched for the asterisk manual`
`16:48.00`	`laptopdude90`	`oooh`
`16:48.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You were linked a dozen times`
`16:48.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`PASTEBIN <-`
`16:48.25`	`laptopdude90`	`http://pastebin.com/tHgwK1Zh`
`16:48.27`	`lvlinux`	`[TK]D-Fender: I don't think it was a dozen, more like 9 lol`
`16:48.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lvlinux, Rounded to CANADIAN`
`16:48.45`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`16:48.53`	`laptopdude90`	`I ctrl+f'd for "manual"`
`16:48.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`LOL`
`16:48.57`	`laptopdude90`	`and it didn't show up`
`16:48.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`FREEPBX`
`16:49.00`	`laptopdude90`	`where?`
`16:49.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Stop lying to us`
`16:49.03`	`laptopdude90`	`Dude`
`16:49.05`	`lvlinux`	`no don't say that word`
`16:49.06`	`laptopdude90`	`I reinstalled the whole thing`
`16:49.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`BULLSHIT`
`16:49.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^^^^^^^^^^^^^^`
`16:49.15`	`laptopdude90`	`Idk what to tell you`
`16:49.25`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: what system are you on? debian?`
`16:49.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`- Executing [s@macro-dialout-trunk:22] Dial("SIP/demo-alice-00000007", "SIP/fpbx-1-OfnsBpZnxqQO/4183172685,300,Tt") in new stack`
`16:49.30`	`laptopdude90`	`Ubuntu server`
`16:49.51`	`lvlinux`	`how did you install Asterisk?`
`16:49.57`	`lvlinux`	`packages or source?`
`16:49.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`AsteriskNOW <-`
`16:49.58`	`laptopdude90`	`I followed the guide`
`16:50.01`	`laptopdude90`	`Let me find it`
`16:50.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Scroll up`
`16:50.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`it's LOGGED`
`16:50.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`https://botbot.me/freenode/asterisk/`
`16:50.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`laptopdude90`
`16:50.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I can log into the UCP`
`16:50.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Less than 1 hour ago`
`16:50.38`	`lvlinux`	`what trash is UCP??????`
`16:50.43`	`laptopdude90`	`What's UCP`
`16:50.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"I'm doing it from the AsteriskNOW iso`
`16:50.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`9:00 am`
`16:50.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`69%, installing FreePBX web interface`
`16:50.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"`
`16:50.47`	`laptopdude90`	`and how can you log into it?`
`16:50.53`	`laptopdude90`	`Dude I told you like 4 times now`
`16:50.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Stop lying`
`16:50.55`	`laptopdude90`	`I reinstalled it`
`16:50.55`	`lvlinux`	`facepalms`
`16:50.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`It's pathetic`
`16:51.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ZThat is FreePBX`
`16:51.04`	`laptopdude90`	`Do you want me to reinstall again?`
`16:51.12`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: do this:`
`16:51.30`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: wait, first, are you on a VM? or bare metal`
`16:51.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`That is a FreePBX system with Full dialplan and trunk setp`
`16:51.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`That is a pathetic lie`
`16:51.54`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm on a VM`
`16:52.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"I have no idea what I'm doing and the manual says nothing about the web interface"`
`16:52.05`	`laptopdude90`	`Again`
`16:52.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that is FreePBX`
`16:52.06`	`laptopdude90`	`I reinstalled`
`16:52.08`	`laptopdude90`	`^`
`16:52.09`	`*** join/#asterisk karelk (~karel@31.10.145.202)`
`16:52.09`	`laptopdude90`	`^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^`
`16:52.14`	`laptopdude90`	`http://draalin.com/installing-asterisk-in-ubuntu/`
`16:52.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And that CLI is FreePBX`
`16:52.17`	`laptopdude90`	`That's the guide I used`
`16:52.18`	`*** join/#asterisk mac_ified (~mac_ified@67-9-150-210.res.bhn.net)`
`16:52.23`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: oh then it's easy! Find the image file for your VM and DELETE IT DELETE IT DELETE IT`
`16:52.32`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: then make a new image`
`16:52.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Then that is ANOTHER VM`
`16:52.42`	`laptopdude90`	`why`
`16:52.44`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: then install * from source`
`16:52.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that CLI = FREEPBX`
`16:52.50`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: because I said so.`
`16:52.51`	`laptopdude90`	`Also why from source`
`16:52.56`	`robmal`	`can has a lot of enjoy`
`16:52.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<laptopdude90> http://pastebin.com/tHgwK1Zh <- FREEPBX`
`16:53.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`This is not a question. It is a fact`
`16:53.07`	`laptopdude90`	`salty much?`
`16:53.13`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you can do it from packages but DON'T use AsteriskNOW!!!!!`
`16:53.19`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`16:53.26`	`lvlinux`	`DELETE the AsteriskNOW ISO FROM YOUR DRIVE NOW!!!!!`
`16:53.30`	`laptopdude90`	`So source is better than packages?`
`16:53.51`	`lvlinux`	`well it'll be up to date and you won't be missing any features.`
`16:53.55`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`16:54.07`	`laptopdude90`	`Debian server this time`
`16:54.18`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: you gotta realize one thing, you CANNOT just blindly follow "guides" you find on the net. Many of them are ancient`
`16:54.23`	`lvlinux`	`Debian server is good.`
`16:54.28`	`laptopdude90`	`Yes, I quite like it`
`16:54.41`	`lvlinux`	`wait, what do you mean Debian "server"??`
`16:54.49`	`laptopdude90`	`No desktop installed`
`16:54.52`	`lvlinux`	`you mean just plain Debian right?`
`16:54.54`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah`
`16:55.00`	`lvlinux`	`ok`
`16:55.04`	`lvlinux`	`yes that'll be good`
`16:55.54`	`robmal`	`Still hoping to sell him your old phones, i see :-)`
`16:56.03`	`laptopdude90`	`he worked out shipping`
`16:56.06`	`laptopdude90`	`And it was WAY too much`
`16:56.12`	`laptopdude90`	`So I'm buying 4 on ebay`
`16:56.13`	`robmal`	`:-]`
`16:56.22`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: buying 4 of what?`
`16:56.28`	`laptopdude90`	`The one you linked`
`16:56.31`	`laptopdude90`	`http://www.ebay.ca/itm/281855915959?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D281855915959%26_rdc%3D1`
`16:56.37`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: oh, ok yeah those will be good.`
`16:56.39`	`livtyler`	`I've modified extensions_custom.conf how do I reload this?`
`16:56.55`	`lvlinux`	`livtyler: ask in #freepbx`
`16:57.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`]liv"dialplan reload"`
`16:57.08`	`lvlinux`	`livtyler: because that is what you are using right?`
`16:57.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`livtyler, "dialplan reload"`
`16:57.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`It is`
`16:57.26`	`livtyler`	`[TK]D-Fender: thank you`
`16:57.30`	`robmal`	`HUhttp://i.imgur.com/meftV0q.gif`
`16:57.49`	`lvlinux`	`lol ^^^^^^^^^`
`16:59.26`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: I must remind you, as the wise man file said, we can't say mean things to those who are just beginning the journey. Also laptopdude90 is just 15 so he has a lot of time to learn.`
`17:00.06`	`robmal`	`Also: http://i.imgur.com/meftV0q.gif`
`17:00.21`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: yes I guess TK is just rubbing off on me lol`
`17:00.26`	`robmal`	`;-)`
`17:00.37`	`lvlinux`	`but he seems to be overly nice today`
`17:01.22`	`robmal`	`Must be the weather. Or drugs.`
`17:01.43`	`laptopdude90`	`baack`
`17:02.11`	`robmal`	`Yay!`
`17:03.15`	`laptopdude90`	`what IRC client do you guys use`
`17:03.25`	`robmal`	`mIRC`
`17:03.34`	`laptopdude90`	`Do they have a free version?`
`17:03.38`	`robmal`	`Yes.`
`17:03.54`	`lvlinux`	`THERE IS NO IRC BESIDES IRSSI`
`17:03.54`	`laptopdude90`	`B/C I just downloaded it and it wants me to register`
`17:03.59`	`laptopdude90`	`And registration is $20`
`17:04.02`	`robmal`	`You can also spank people. With a fish.`
`17:04.20`	`robmal`	`Don't register, only pussies register anything except SIP.`
`17:04.26`	`lvlinux`	`irssi`
`17:04.40`	`laptopdude90`	`kek`
`17:04.41`	`laptopdude90`	`brb`
`17:07.40`	`robmal`	`Maybe he won't return...`
`17:07.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`doesn't feel that lucky`
`17:09.14`	`*** join/#asterisk laptopdude90 (laptopdude@HLFXNS016CW-142134091178.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net)`
`17:09.21`	`robmal`	`Meh.`
`17:09.22`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`17:09.25`	`laptopdude90`	`Okay I'm back`
`17:09.29`	`laptopdude90`	`and using mIRC`
`17:09.37`	`robmal`	`That's awesome.`
`17:09.38`	`lvlinux`	`meh`
`17:09.56`	`*** join/#asterisk vader- (~Adium@pool-71-175-67-97.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)`
`17:09.58`	`laptopdude90`	`you know what I did'`
`17:10.03`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: got ur debian running?`
`17:10.06`	`laptopdude90`	`the installation was all finished`
`17:10.11`	`laptopdude90`	`And then it was like "pls install grub"`
`17:10.19`	`laptopdude90`	`and I accidentally pressed enter before typing in the drive`
`17:10.25`	`laptopdude90`	`So I'm redoing the entire installation`
`17:10.29`	`robmal`	`Oh noes.`
`17:10.36`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`17:11.32`	`laptopdude90`	`I need another monitor`
`17:11.47`	`lvlinux`	`which ver debian?`
`17:11.50`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got 1 for TV, one for monitoring my 3d printer, and 1 for everything else`
`17:11.51`	`robmal`	`I'm sure lvlinux has one for a fair price.`
`17:12.00`	`laptopdude90`	`And now IRC is covering over the printer`
`17:12.01`	`laptopdude90`	`grr`
`17:12.15`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm going to buy 3 more on black friday`
`17:12.20`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: wrong, I have tons of them for fair prices`
`17:12.53`	`lvlinux`	`that would be great to ship a bunch of monitors to laptopdude. Course he'd pay thousands for shipping and they'd be broken when they got there but so what.`
`17:13.02`	`robmal`	`http://www.bizzaro.co.uk/img/p/31-106-large.jpg`
`17:13.04`	`robmal`	`I know.`
`17:13.19`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`17:13.24`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: BTW, what's your first name?`
`17:13.28`	`laptopdude90`	`Stephen`
`17:13.31`	`laptopdude90`	`why?`
`17:13.43`	`robmal`	`Just curious.`
`17:13.47`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`17:13.51`	`lvlinux`	`yeah why? your not supposed to ask minors that on IRC lol.`
`17:14.01`	`laptopdude90`	`First name is fine`
`17:14.06`	`laptopdude90`	`Last name I don't give`
`17:14.17`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: :-D`
`17:14.22`	`lvlinux`	`course I asked his age yesterday lol... which he should have refused but he didn't...`
`17:14.52`	`laptopdude90`	`meh, I don't really see the problem`
`17:15.18`	`lvlinux`	`not really a problem I guess`
`17:15.20`	`robmal`	`We're about twice your age so it's fun and refreshing ;-)`
`17:15.33`	`laptopdude90`	`how so?`
`17:15.55`	`lvlinux`	`fun to see someone excited about what we do for work :-)`
`17:16.24`	`robmal`	`The rookie problems. Now if my grub broke i would fix it faster than you could put a cd in your pc.`
`17:16.41`	`laptopdude90`	`Not if there's no grub to start`
`17:16.56`	`laptopdude90`	`I mean I could do a repair if there was anything important on the system`
`17:17.05`	`laptopdude90`	`But since it was a fresh install, no point`
`17:17.23`	`lvlinux`	`i would be tempted to reinstall---i hate dealing with grub. But I'd fix grub 1000 times faster than I'd mess with Lilo again.`
`17:17.49`	`laptopdude90`	`So the other day I was in a group of 4 working on a project with them`
`17:17.58`	`robmal`	`Of course yes, no grub, broken grub, L99 error (fun!) - everything faster than you can put a cd in the drive :-)`
`17:18.04`	`laptopdude90`	`The girl next to me goes "wow, that's a reaaaaaally old version of windows you're running"`
`17:18.11`	`lvlinux`	`LOL`
`17:18.13`	`laptopdude90`	`And I go "actually it's a flavour of linux"`
`17:18.14`	`robmal`	`:-D`
`17:18.19`	`laptopdude90`	`And she goes "oh I hate linux"`
`17:18.26`	`lvlinux`	`LOL`
`17:18.30`	`laptopdude90`	`It gets better`
`17:18.32`	`robmal`	`You should ask her out.`
`17:18.40`	`robmal`	`That's an awesome pickup line on her part.`
`17:18.46`	`laptopdude90`	`Just yesterday, she was having problems where her computer went into Greek or something`
`17:18.51`	`laptopdude90`	`and I go`
`17:18.58`	`laptopdude90`	`"if you were running linux you wouldn't have this problem"`
`17:19.26`	`robmal`	`'if You weren't we'd be having sex now'`
`17:19.27`	`robmal`	`?`
`17:19.44`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: ignore robmal`
`17:19.50`	`laptopdude90`	`XD`
`17:19.52`	`robmal`	`Just kidding, you'll get that in a few years ;-)`
`17:19.56`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: stay away from girls---they will mess you up`
`17:19.59`	`lvlinux`	`seriously`
`17:20.06`	`laptopdude90`	`You wanna know why she hates linux?`
`17:20.12`	`robmal`	`A bit.`
`17:20.18`	`laptopdude90`	`Cause her 2011 netbook runs an extremely run down version of it`
`17:20.28`	`laptopdude90`	`Cause all linux distros are the same`
`17:20.31`	`lvlinux`	`cuz she has no clue, obviously`
`17:21.16`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: stay a loner geek/nerd with NO girlfriend. Get rich doing your tech stuff. Then look for a good one if you're old enough.`
`17:21.16`	`robmal`	`Never the less, you still should ask her out.`
`17:21.28`	`laptopdude90`	`k`
`17:21.46`	`robmal`	`She can be useful. Dishes, cleaning, buying clean dvds for new ubuntu releases...`
`17:21.54`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: don't be the dude that is like 35 and stuck at some computer desk job just to pay for the female's spending habits...`
`17:22.02`	`laptopdude90`	`USB installs you scrub`
`17:22.07`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: 30!`
`17:22.09`	`laptopdude90`	`+Robots for dishes and cleaning`
`17:22.39`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: You'll lose pendrives. A lot of them. Pretty much everyone you buy.`
`17:22.44`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: yeah but it doesn't stop at 30, once they hook you in, you'll be at that same desk for years...`
`17:22.56`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: I've NEVER lost a USB drive`
`17:23.04`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: and I carry loads of them`
`17:23.08`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: But i like my desk. :-(`
`17:23.17`	`laptopdude90`	`me too`
`17:23.19`	`robmal`	`I, too, never lost one. I just borrow.`
`17:23.27`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`17:23.27`	`robmal`	`And they don't seem to come back :-(`
`17:23.42`	`laptopdude90`	`I've also never lost a USB drive`
`17:23.47`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: Debian 7 or 8?`
`17:24.20`	`laptopdude90`	`8`
`17:24.23`	`lvlinux`	`k`
`17:24.25`	`robmal`	`Go 8, get used to the devils spawn (systemd)`
`17:26.11`	`lvlinux`	`it's got that junk!!!! I hate systemd!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`17:26.25`	`laptopdude90`	`Soooo excited for black friday.`
`17:26.30`	`lvlinux`	`glad I only have d 7 systems...`
`17:26.36`	`lvlinux`	`i like my init.d`
`17:26.48`	`lvlinux`	`http://www.ipcomms.net/sample-device-configurations/41-asterisk/181-install-asterisk-13-on-ubuntu-debian`
`17:26.53`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: do this ^^^^^^^^^^^`
`17:27.00`	`laptopdude90`	`kek`
`17:27.31`	`laptopdude90`	`asterisk 13 is the newest?`
`17:27.44`	`lvlinux`	`it's the LTS`
`17:27.48`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: I have made a mistake recently. Had to make a few VMs really fast on a remote site, downloaded netinst from debian.org, got 8. Noticed when varnish was ignoring /etc/default config. So it's not THAT bad.`
`17:28.00`	`lvlinux`	`I think 14 might be out but you want 13`
`17:28.17`	`laptopdude90`	`kk`
`17:28.25`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: yuk`
`17:29.06`	`lvlinux`	`yeah at least systemd still lets you call it with /etc/init.d/asterisk start wahtev`
`17:30.43`	`laptopdude90`	`>mfw I'm using debiab 8 on half my servers yet haven't touched systemd`
`17:34.03`	`laptopdude90`	`After installing debian 3 times`
`17:34.04`	`laptopdude90`	`It boots`
`17:34.06`	`laptopdude90`	`I need a nap`
`17:34.15`	`robmal`	`YAY!`
`17:34.18`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`17:34.24`	`robmal`	`Sorry ;-)`
`17:34.32`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Oh ;-/`
`17:35.23`	`laptopdude90`	`wat?`
`17:35.34`	`robmal`	`Nothing, have a nice sleep.`
`17:35.44`	`laptopdude90`	`Im joking`
`17:35.48`	`laptopdude90`	`Im too lazy to have a nap`
`17:36.02`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: it's installing?`
`17:36.45`	`laptopdude90`	`right now i'm installing asterisk`
`17:36.54`	`laptopdude90`	`E: Unable to locate package ây`
`17:36.54`	`laptopdude90`	`E: Unable to locate package libtools`
`17:38.12`	`lvlinux`	`i thnk u mistyped`
`17:38.22`	`laptopdude90`	`I copied and pasted`
`17:38.45`	`laptopdude90`	`I took out -y and libtools`
`17:38.47`	`laptopdude90`	`and it's fine`
`17:38.48`	`laptopdude90`	`soo`
`17:38.48`	`lvlinux`	`u got build-essential already?`
`17:38.54`	`lvlinux`	`try libtool`
`17:39.07`	`laptopdude90`	`ty`
`17:40.14`	`laptopdude90`	`Is the telephone code the number at the beginning of the phone number`
`17:40.20`	`laptopdude90`	`When calling between countries`
`17:40.31`	`lvlinux`	`country code`
`17:40.44`	`lvlinux`	`+44 for UK +1 for US/Can etc`
`17:40.48`	`laptopdude90`	`ty`
`17:41.25`	`lvlinux`	`brb`
`17:45.57`	`igcewieling1`	`lvlinux: it is very nice of you to install laptopdude90's Asterisk for him/her.`
`17:46.11`	`laptopdude90`	`he just gave me the link`
`17:46.13`	`robmal`	`Him. Steven. Age 15.`
`17:47.06`	`lvlinux`	`igcewieling1: lol he's doing ok now`
`17:47.12`	`lvlinux`	`robmal: Stephen`
`17:47.35`	`robmal`	`There's a difference?`
`17:47.50`	`laptopdude90`	`u wot m8?`
`17:48.03`	`robmal`	`;-)`
`17:48.16`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: installed now?`
`17:48.27`	`laptopdude90`	`nope`
`17:48.30`	`laptopdude90`	`It's still doing stuff`
`17:48.38`	`lvlinux`	`slow system...`
`17:48.52`	`laptopdude90`	`4gb of RAM, single core`
`17:48.53`	`laptopdude90`	`So yea`
`17:49.16`	`lvlinux`	`jk it always takes a while. Asterisk is a lot of stuff to compile`
`17:49.32`	`laptopdude90`	`YOU MUST READ THE SECURITY DOCUMENT`
`17:49.36`	`laptopdude90`	`must I`
`17:49.50`	`lvlinux`	`nah YOU MUST READ THE BOOK LIKE WE TOLD YOU`
`17:49.51`	`robmal`	`Yes.`
`17:49.55`	`robmal`	`All of it.`
`17:49.57`	`laptopdude90`	`kek`
`17:49.59`	`laptopdude90`	`is it long`
`17:50.02`	`robmal`	`No.`
`17:50.05`	`lvlinux`	`not that long`
`17:50.09`	`laptopdude90`	`~booj`
`17:50.09`	`lvlinux`	`and it's easy read`
`17:50.10`	`robmal`	`But you have to read all of it.`
`17:50.11`	`laptopdude90`	`~book`
`17:50.11`	`infobot`	`Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook`
`17:50.14`	`robmal`	`There will be a test.`
`17:50.15`	`igcewieling1`	`Usually users read the security document after they are hacked.`
`17:50.23`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`17:50.28`	`igcewieling1`	`be a rebel and read it before.`
`17:50.35`	`robmal`	`igcewieling1: Shh!`
`17:51.03`	`lvlinux`	`yeah what are you doing igcewieling1? Trying to put us out of business?`
`17:51.11`	`laptopdude90`	`ok so`
`17:51.15`	`laptopdude90`	`Asterisk is installed`
`17:51.21`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: There will be a test later - 30 questions, concering the security document. You have to read it all. We all have.`
`17:51.33`	`laptopdude90`	`how much later`
`17:51.44`	`robmal`	`Not [TK]D-Fender. He wrote the security document.`
`17:51.48`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: 30 days.`
`17:51.49`	`lvlinux`	`just read it, it takes 20 seconds`
`17:51.56`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: Shhh.`
`17:51.59`	`laptopdude90`	`To read the whole thing?`
`17:52.17`	`robmal`	`He's a speed reader.`
`17:52.21`	`robmal`	`Disregard that.`
`17:52.28`	`lvlinux`	`it's just a readme that tells you a few tips not to get hacked IIRC`
`17:52.45`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: remember we told you voip security is a different world?`
`17:52.51`	`laptopdude90`	`yup`
`17:53.02`	`lvlinux`	`read it yet?`
`17:53.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`reads his speedometer very quickly. It's like ... just 1 dial.`
`17:53.16`	`laptopdude90`	`where do I find it`
`17:53.21`	`laptopdude90`	`~security ?`
`17:53.21`	`infobot`	`Security is way over rated, Heck I imagine you still run windows on your regular PC don't lecture about security`
`17:53.27`	`laptopdude90`	`pfft`
`17:53.41`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`17:54.09`	`laptopdude90`	`so`
`17:54.10`	`laptopdude90`	`uh`
`17:54.12`	`laptopdude90`	`how do I do this`
`17:54.16`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: look in the folder where you are. There's a cool new command on linux---called "ls" it shows you neat stuff.`
`17:54.17`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: We all like you 'once you paste your sip credentials there will be calls made to premium rate numbers in countries you didn't even know existed' way.`
`17:54.55`	`laptopdude90`	`whut`
`17:54.59`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm in etc/asterisk`
`17:55.05`	`laptopdude90`	`THere's a load of configs`
`17:55.24`	`igcewieling1`	`I'll be on the more technical channel.....#FreePBX.`
`17:55.24`	`lvlinux`	`those are all samples`
`17:55.26`	`*** part/#asterisk igcewieling1 (~ewieling@ip98-170-211-145.pn.at.cox.net)`
`17:55.38`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah, don't I want samples`
`17:55.48`	`lvlinux`	`samples = reading material`
`17:55.55`	`lvlinux`	`now, you have two choices,`
`17:56.15`	`lvlinux`	`you can go read the book which is easy and walks you through everything you need to get started, OR,`
`17:56.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`DOOR #3 !!!`
`17:56.37`	`lvlinux`	`you can start reading the sample configs which is not easy and will confuse you until you have read the book first.`
`17:56.51`	`lvlinux`	`or yes of course there is DOOR #3`
`17:57.08`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm reading the book now`
`17:57.09`	`lvlinux`	`it's called yate or freeswitch`
`17:57.14`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`17:57.34`	`lvlinux`	`will the infobot digitally murder me if I mention those words???`
`17:58.44`	`lvlinux`	`i hope i never get infected by the freepbx virus`
`17:58.51`	`laptopdude90`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:58.58`	`laptopdude90`	`mv: cannot stat â.â: No such file or directory`
`17:59.01`	`laptopdude90`	`am I stupid`
`17:59.04`	`lvlinux`	`oh dear`
`17:59.08`	`laptopdude90`	`like why isn't that working?`
`17:59.31`	`robmal`	`Because of reasons.`
`17:59.43`	`lvlinux`	`um, do you have a samples folder?`
`17:59.46`	`laptopdude90`	`yes`
`17:59.48`	`laptopdude90`	`I do`
`18:00.03`	`lvlinux`	`um, have you already moved everything into it?`
`18:00.08`	`laptopdude90`	`np`
`18:00.09`	`laptopdude90`	`no*`
`18:00.16`	`laptopdude90`	`wait`
`18:00.17`	`laptopdude90`	`yes`
`18:00.19`	`laptopdude90`	`oh dear`
`18:00.20`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`18:00.34`	`robmal`	`:-)`
`18:00.39`	`lvlinux`	`use that "ls" thing`
`18:00.45`	`robmal`	`can has a very much enjoy`
`18:00.56`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`18:01.55`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: ok now hit the book!`
`18:02.08`	`laptopdude90`	`Yes I am`
`18:02.11`	`laptopdude90`	`It told me to do that`
`18:02.19`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: what told you?`
`18:02.23`	`laptopdude90`	`the book`
`18:02.27`	`laptopdude90`	`It was like`
`18:02.31`	`laptopdude90`	`take the samples`
`18:02.34`	`laptopdude90`	`And push them over there`
`18:02.41`	`lvlinux`	`ah yes good.`
`18:02.43`	`robmal`	`I have obtained the list of people who believe you are reading the book:`
`18:02.48`	`robmal`	`FIN`
`18:02.52`	`lvlinux`	`LOL`
`18:03.14`	`laptopdude90`	`http://pastebin.com/yTrLAe0F`
`18:03.16`	`laptopdude90`	`there's my proof`
`18:03.19`	`laptopdude90`	`A snippet of the book`
`18:03.28`	`robmal`	`You have to post a picture.`
`18:03.35`	`robmal`	`With a timestamp.`
`18:03.40`	`robmal`	`And your nick.`
`18:03.48`	`lvlinux`	`lol`
`18:03.49`	`robmal`	`A shoe on the head will also be nice.`
`18:03.59`	`laptopdude90`	`k`
`18:04.09`	`lvlinux`	`ignore us and read`
`18:04.36`	`laptopdude90`	`k`
`18:04.47`	`robmal`	`The first person ever reading the book with photos, guys at Digium will be drinking for a year after this.`
`18:05.02`	`laptopdude90`	`;(`
`18:05.11`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Disregard that.`
`18:05.17`	`robmal`	`It was my evil twin.`
`18:05.22`	`robmal`	`With a small penis.`
`18:12.45`	`laptopdude90`	`Chapter 4`
`18:15.27`	`*** join/#asterisk ChannelZ (channelz@burner.com)`
`18:19.47`	`robmal`	`I hope chapter 4 isn't about channelz.`
`18:20.00`	`laptopdude90`	`k`
`18:20.20`	`ChannelZ`	`uhm what?`
`18:21.02`	`robmal`	`ChannelZ: Nvm, laptopdude90 is reading The Book.`
`18:21.16`	`ChannelZ`	`ah`
`18:24.28`	`livtyler`	`how to check if I have muticast rtp feature enabled?`
`18:25.03`	`lvlinux`	`livtyler: what exactly do you mean by enabled?`
`18:25.16`	`lvlinux`	`livtyler: on your phone? or *?`
`18:26.12`	`livtyler`	`I need the multicast feature enabled, I have modified extensions_custom.conf using this http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+MulticastRTP+channels, I use yealink phones that have that capabilities`
`18:26.47`	`livtyler`	`lvlinux: I need the multicast feature enabled, I have modified extensions_custom.conf using this http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+MulticastRTP+channels, I use yealink phones that have that capabilities`
`18:27.57`	`*** join/#asterisk u0m3 (~u0m3@89.120.204.99)`
`18:28.22`	`lvlinux`	`livtyler: I don't exactly know what you mean by "enabled" though. AFAIK you don't "enable" multicast you just use it in a Dial() string`
`18:28.56`	`lvlinux`	`or a Page() string rather`
`18:29.13`	`lvlinux`	`exten => *777,1,Page(MulticastRTP/basic/239.0.0.1:12345,i)`
`18:29.23`	`lvlinux`	`This is what I have in my dialplan ^^^^^^^^^^^^^`
`18:29.49`	`lvlinux`	`Then I have my phones listening for multicast on 239.0.0.1`
`18:29.58`	`livtyler`	`lvlinux: is it ok to put that in extensions_custom.conf? and how do I apply it?`
`18:30.42`	`lvlinux`	`I'm not sure how it works w FreePBX (you can ask them if that will work fine in #freepbx) but I don't know of a reason why it wouldn't work.`
`18:31.08`	`lvlinux`	`Then to apply it (or any dialplan change) like TK told you before you simply run "dialplan reload" on the Asterisk console`
`18:31.46`	`lvlinux`	`"dialplan reload" reloads your extensions.conf (and any files included by it like extensions_custom.conf)`
`18:33.40`	`lvlinux`	`livtyler: give it a shot and see if it does like you want`
`18:38.43`	`livtyler`	`lvlinux: thanks, one more question, the stream that this Page generates what TTL would be using? is it any way to tweak it?`
`18:44.35`	`lvlinux`	`not sure about that`
`18:45.20`	`livtyler`	`lvlinux: I got "Call from '1010' (10.12.201.10:5062) to extension '*777' rejected because extension not found in context 'from-internal'"`
`18:47.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Because you didn't put it in a contect included by the one your call falls into`
`18:47.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`context*`
`18:49.43`	`livtyler`	`[TK]D-Fender: :( , so that's my initial question, where do I put that exten line?`
`18:50.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Have you looked at the context your device actually points to yet?`
`18:50.58`	`robmal`	`Oh noes, another one.`
`18:50.59`	`*** join/#asterisk DragonAzul (~DragonAzu@187.208.18.153)`
`18:51.42`	`livtyler`	`[TK]D-Fender: it's in sip_additional.conf, but there's a section for every extension, do I need to create one for *777?`
`18:51.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`no.`
`18:52.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that is not a contex`
`18:52.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`in the DIALPLAN`
`18:53.49`	`lvlinux`	`livtyler: read the chapter in the book about dialplan, it will make your life a lot easier.`
`18:55.41`	`robmal`	`lvlinux: You get a librarian badge if you get >0 people to read the book so chill, your reward is on its way.`
`18:57.02`	`robmal`	`(It's a potato shaped like an asterisk)`
`18:57.56`	`livtyler`	`lvlinux: ok, now I get 603, declined and in cli some message appears: WARNING[4730][C-00000019]: app_page.c:248 page_exec: There is no ConfBridge application available!`
`18:58.06`	`laptopdude90`	`What's a good iOS SIP client`
`18:58.56`	`robmal`	`Zoiper`
`18:59.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`There is also currently no point to using Page() at all.. you are calling a SINGLE device`
`18:59.27`	`laptopdude90`	`ty`
`19:02.13`	`livtyler`	`[TK]D-Fender: this is for testing, then we will add nearly 200 phones`
`19:02.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`livtyler, yes but if you're using that multicast for all of them it is still ONE device to *`
`19:04.03`	`livtyler`	`[TK]D-Fender: I don't understand, if I dial for example 7777, all the 200 remaining phones will hear the voice from the device calling that extension right?`
`19:04.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<lvlinux> exten => *777,1,Page(MulticastRTP/basic/239.0.0.1:12345,i)`
`19:04.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ONE device in there`
`19:04.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`There is no & in there`
`19:04.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Doesn't matter if 5000 things pick up on it.`
`19:04.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Asterisk doesn't need to use Page to call it`
`19:04.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`a dumb dial will do`
`19:05.58`	`livtyler`	`lvlinux: ok, my original sample was this http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+MulticastRTP+channels`
`19:06.20`	`livtyler`	`[TK]D-Fender: my original sample was this http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+MulticastRTP+channels`
`19:06.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And lookl.. they even had an example of it...`
`19:07.40`	`livtyler`	`[TK]D-Fender: yes, but it's not working, I get Declined, and the confBridge error I mentioned above`
`19:07.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`What part of "change it to just use dial" was not clear?`
`19:09.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Though you should still fix your Asterisk install as you don't have Confbridge loaded it seems.`
`19:10.45`	`*** join/#asterisk livtyler (~livtyler@unaffiliated/livtyler)`
`19:10.57`	`livtyler`	`[TK]D-Fender: oooooooooooh, thanks`
`19:12.26`	`*** join/#asterisk babak (uid19622@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dpnmcijyzcwrtozy)`
`19:15.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<[TK]D-Fender> Though you should still fix your Asterisk install as you don't have Confbridge loaded it seems.`
`19:20.56`	`livtyler`	`[TK]D-Fender: thank you very much, now it's working on my segment, however I need this to be propagated to other subnets, and I can see the TTL of the rtp stream is 1, is there any way to tweak this?`
`19:22.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Can't help you on the fine points for that, sorry`
`19:23.17`	`livtyler`	`[TK]D-Fender: thank you very much`
`19:26.33`	`laptopdude90`	`What's a good free ITSP`
`19:26.36`	`laptopdude90`	`Just for testing`
`19:28.30`	`*** join/#asterisk bkruse (~Adium@24.96.180.227)`
`19:43.36`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Some guy once said there are no free dinners. This goes all the way to ITSP too.`
`19:49.04`	`laptopdude90`	`Okay so I found a provider and I plugged it into my config`
`19:49.10`	`laptopdude90`	`But it's not registering`
`19:49.26`	`robmal`	`Oh noes.`
`20:06.37`	`laptopdude90`	`Am I allowed to paste 4 lines here?`
`20:07.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Asking took longer than just using pastebin`
`20:07.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And 4 lines is all but certain to be useless in debuggin`
`20:07.46`	`laptopdude90`	`It's just from my config`
`20:07.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Because the actual packet itself is 4 times that let alone the response`
`20:08.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Were you to be looking at actual SIP debug... which I'm fairly sure you aren't`
`20:08.07`	`laptopdude90`	`exten => _XXXX.,1,Log(NOTICE, Dialing out from ${CALLERID(all)} to ${EXTEN:1} through Foo Provider)`
`20:08.07`	`laptopdude90`	`exten => _XXXX.,n,Dial(SIP/fooprovider/${EXTEN:1},60)`
`20:08.07`	`laptopdude90`	`exten => _XXXX.,n,Playtones(congestion)`
`20:08.07`	`laptopdude90`	`exten => _XXXX.,n,Hangup()`
`20:08.14`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Feel free to send those 4 lines to [TK]D-Fender via msg. He won't mind, i'm sure.`
`20:08.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Config won't prove that the rest of your setup isn't at fault`
`20:08.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that has nothing to do with registration`
`20:08.30`	`laptopdude90`	`Thats not my question.`
`20:08.40`	`laptopdude90`	`Don't assume. It just makes an ass out of u an me.`
`20:08.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~assume`
`20:08.55`	`infobot`	`About assumptions : http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id=gog&media=WAVS&type=Movies&movie=Long_Kiss_Goodnight&quote=assume.txt&file=assume.wav It makes an (ass) out of (u) and (me)`
`20:08.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^^^`
`20:09.17`	`laptopdude90`	`My question is`
`20:09.35`	`laptopdude90`	`That block of code should allow phone numbers longer than 4 digits to pass through my ITSP, correct?`
`20:09.44`	`laptopdude90`	`Because I fixed registration forever ago.`
`20:09.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`nothing "passes through`
`20:10.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`It calls the application 1 pririty at a time and does what you tell each to do.`
`20:10.18`	`laptopdude90`	`Do you understand what I mean?`
`20:10.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`exten => _XXXX.,n,Dial(SIP/fooprovider/${EXTEN:1},60) <- do you understand what this means?`
`20:10.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I fyou think it should do something.. what does each peace of that represent?`
`20:10.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`piece*`
`20:11.01`	`robmal`	`[TK]D-Fender: I assume that's the lamest way to use that assumption.`
`20:11.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`</Assumception>`
`20:12.09`	`laptopdude90`	`hold on I have to change fooprovider don't i Xd`
`20:12.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`\o/ copy-pasted code`
`20:14.08`	`laptopdude90`	`I think I corrected it`
`20:14.08`	`laptopdude90`	`exten => _XXXX.,n,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}@callcentric)`
`20:14.37`	`laptopdude90`	`Oh and now it says forbidden .-.`
`20:14.46`	`*** join/#asterisk Tamo (~x@109.169.68.157)`
`20:17.28`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: I can't wait until you get to dialplan magic. It'll be awesome.`
`20:18.03`	`laptopdude90`	`so how do I debug the forbidden thing`
`20:18.22`	`lvlinux`	`READ THE BOOK`
`20:18.43`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah I read a bunch of it`
`20:18.53`	`robmal`	`LIES!`
`20:19.07`	`robmal`	`You have to make a picture.`
`20:19.10`	`laptopdude90`	`You realize if you think I'm lying`
`20:19.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Book won't really teach all of that too well actually...`
`20:19.12`	`laptopdude90`	`And I'm not`
`20:19.18`	`laptopdude90`	`I have literally no reason to read the book`
`20:19.19`	`laptopdude90`	`right?`
`20:19.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`That makes no sense`
`20:19.45`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm reading it b/c you guys told me too`
`20:19.50`	`robmal`	`Sure, nobody besides you cares if your asterisk can call.`
`20:19.52`	`laptopdude90`	`But if you guys don't think I'm reading it, when I am`
`20:19.59`	`laptopdude90`	`then I don't see the point`
`20:20.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Someone's belief in your having taken an action isn't grounds for not doing it`
`20:20.14`	`laptopdude90`	`As TK said apparently the book doesn't help with the forbidden thing`
`20:20.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"sip set debug on" <-`
`20:20.40`	`robmal`	`Oh noes.`
`20:20.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Time to actually learn to LOOK at what is actually going on.`
`20:21.04`	`robmal`	`I have no popcorn left and this will be amazing.`
`20:21.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`If you're going to be using SIP you should learn how to see what is being communicated via SIP`
`20:21.40`	`laptopdude90`	`http://pastebin.com/cPwesEt6`
`20:22.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`you didn't connect to SSH the way I've already had to tell you twice`
`20:22.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`MORE THAN JUST VERBOSE 1`
`20:22.31`	`laptopdude90`	`you dont have to be salty`
`20:22.42`	`laptopdude90`	`that's not connecting to ssh`
`20:22.45`	`laptopdude90`	`that's executing a comman`
`20:22.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`It comes bundled with the package when I'm have to repeat myself for the 3rd time`
`20:23.07`	`robmal`	`Oh noes,[TK]D-Fender uses CAPS for ALL TEH WORDS. Legen...`
`20:23.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`CLI* <-`
`20:23.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Anyway, try again`
`20:23.23`	`laptopdude90`	`I am`
`20:23.34`	`laptopdude90`	`http://pastebin.com/muicNJPN`
`20:23.39`	`laptopdude90`	`Is that enough v's`
`20:23.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Contact: <sip:17772409788@192.168.1.207:5060>`
`20:24.03`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah ik`
`20:24.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`this is what you have in your outgoing INVITE to them`
`20:24.16`	`laptopdude90`	`what?`
`20:24.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`because you have not set your system up properly to work from behind NAT`
`20:24.21`	`laptopdude90`	`OH`
`20:24.26`	`laptopdude90`	`Does that have to be an external IP`
`20:24.27`	`laptopdude90`	`is that it`
`20:24.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`YES`
`20:24.34`	`laptopdude90`	`Yay :D`
`20:24.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`(for starters)`
`20:24.38`	`robmal`	`YAY!`
`20:25.59`	`laptopdude90`	`host=dynamic`
`20:26.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`~sipnat`
`20:26.01`	`infobot`	`[~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring Asterisk + SIP behind NAT: http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 otherwise check the wiki at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions . Typically, you MUST configure these settings with appropriate values in the [general] section of sip.conf: nat, directmedia, externhost or externaddr, and localnet.`
`20:26.02`	`laptopdude90`	`That's what I change?`
`20:26.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`no`
`20:26.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<laptopdude90> host=dynamic <- this in not your [general] settings`
`20:26.31`	`laptopdude90`	`first one is 404 not found`
`20:26.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`that is stuff related to a section`
`20:26.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`as in a single device`
`20:26.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You need to specify your server's environment`
`20:26.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`" Typically, you MUST configure these settings with appropriate values in the [general] section of sip.conf: nat, directmedia, externhost or externaddr, and localnet."`
`20:26.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`^`
`20:27.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Read the sample config for these`
`20:27.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Read the sample config for these`
`20:27.15`	`laptopdude90`	`yes I am`
`20:27.17`	`laptopdude90`	`I'm in the manual`
`20:27.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`not the manual`
`20:27.25`	`laptopdude90`	`nat=yes under [general], correct?`
`20:27.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`the smaple config`
`20:27.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`sample*`
`20:27.33`	`laptopdude90`	`le sigh`
`20:28.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<laptopdude90> nat=yes under [general], correct? <- along with all the other related settings`
`20:28.52`	`laptopdude90`	`yea`
`20:29.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<[TK]D-Fender> " Typically, you MUST configure these settings with appropriate values in the [general] section of sip.conf: nat, directmedia, externhost or externaddr, and localnet."`
`20:29.22`	`laptopdude90`	`externaddr, localnet, right?`
`20:29.27`	`laptopdude90`	`directmedia?`
`20:29.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`How many things to you count in there?`
`20:29.48`	`laptopdude90`	`one, two, three, four`
`20:29.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`YAY!`
`20:30.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`now read the sasmple config for them`
`20:30.03`	`laptopdude90`	`now count how many I've said`
`20:30.04`	`laptopdude90`	`I am`
`20:30.07`	`laptopdude90`	`I have it open`
`20:30.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`just can't type cleanly today`
`20:31.32`	`laptopdude90`	`directmedia=no`
`20:31.55`	`laptopdude90`	`localnet=192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0`
`20:31.58`	`laptopdude90`	`there we are`
`20:32.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`3 down`
`20:32.21`	`laptopdude90`	`externalip=whatever mine is`
`20:33.00`	`laptopdude90`	`No specific order as long as they're all under general, right`
`20:33.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and all general settings before any register directive`
`20:34.38`	`laptopdude90`	`http://pastebin.com/5xXkWYDu`
`20:34.42`	`laptopdude90`	`Still not working`
`20:35.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Contact: <sip:17772409788@192.168.1.207:5060>`
`20:35.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`clearly didn't do it right`
`20:35.13`	`laptopdude90`	`dammit`
`20:35.35`	`laptopdude90`	`http://pastebin.com/Runqu8j9`
`20:35.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yup, definitely wrong`
`20:35.51`	`laptopdude90`	`register is right below that`
`20:35.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<[TK]D-Fender> <[TK]D-Fender> " Typically, you MUST configure these settings with appropriate values in the [general] section of sip.conf: nat, directmedia, externhost or externaddr, and localnet."`
`20:35.58`	`laptopdude90`	`what gow`
`20:36.08`	`laptopdude90`	`Yeah... I have nat`
`20:36.10`	`laptopdude90`	`directmedia`
`20:36.12`	`laptopdude90`	`externalip`
`20:36.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You have invented a parameter name.`
`20:36.20`	`laptopdude90`	`where?`
`20:36.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Guess which one`
`20:36.44`	`laptopdude90`	`oops`
`20:37.09`	`robmal`	`Yay!`
`20:38.22`	`laptopdude90`	`contact is still wrong`
`20:38.44`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: the book walks you through a simple setup. If you read it (and not just skim over) you can setup a system that will work 100% AND more importantly you will understand what's going on in the dialplan.`
`20:39.05`	`laptopdude90`	`I read up to chapter 8 but I need a break`
`20:39.18`	`laptopdude90`	`k.png`
`20:39.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`The book is rather lax in certain ares though`
`20:39.47`	`lvlinux`	`Read the dialplan chapter and do everything it says`
`20:39.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`but you still need the basics`
`20:40.07`	`laptopdude90`	`But I'm trying to figure out NAT .-.`
`20:40.21`	`lvlinux`	`Yes the book isn't going to get u to pro level but u gotta have the basics down`
`20:40.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And I haven't seen a proper config yet`
`20:40.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Let alone proof that it's being applied`
`20:40.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`NEXT PASTEBIN`
`20:41.02`	`laptopdude90`	`yes yes`
`20:41.03`	`lvlinux`	`The book gives proper configs`
`20:41.10`	`laptopdude90`	`not for nat.`
`20:41.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Indded there are many things that it overlooks.`
`20:41.38`	`laptopdude90`	`http://pastebin.com/jj9cVKYA`
`20:41.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Then again that's what the SAMPLE CONFIGS are for`
`20:41.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`because the book describes the basic concepts`
`20:42.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`the sample show what the paramters mean.`
`20:42.23`	`lvlinux`	`Yup`
`20:42.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`laptopdude90, failed again`
`20:42.35`	`laptopdude90`	`how?`
`20:42.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<[TK]D-Fender> <[TK]D-Fender> <[TK]D-Fender> " Typically, you MUST configure these settings with appropriate values in the [general] section of sip.conf: nat, directmedia, externhost or externaddr, and localnet."`
`20:42.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<[TK]D-Fender> You have invented a parameter name.`
`20:42.49`	`laptopdude90`	`ah`
`20:42.50`	`laptopdude90`	`ahhhhhhhhhh`
`20:42.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<[TK]D-Fender> Guess which one`
`20:42.55`	`laptopdude90`	`aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh`
`20:43.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`5 times`
`20:43.19`	`lvlinux`	`laptopdude90: look at the samples and watch ur typing`
`20:43.54`	`robmal`	`has had new popcorn and is out once again, good job.`
`20:44.34`	`laptopdude90`	`externaddr=142.134.91.178`
`20:44.42`	`laptopdude90`	`okay that part is now correct, right`
`20:45.00`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Let's go see!`
`20:45.09`	`laptopdude90`	`yes I tried it already`
`20:45.12`	`laptopdude90`	`and it didn't work`
`20:45.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`What tells me you applied your changes?`
`20:45.31`	`laptopdude90`	`from the console`
`20:45.33`	`laptopdude90`	`core stop now`
`20:45.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`what shows ME?`
`20:45.38`	`laptopdude90`	`then I do asterisk`
`20:45.46`	`laptopdude90`	`do you think im lying or what`
`20:46.03`	`lvlinux`	`starts pounding laptopdude90's IP with Nmap scans...`
`20:46.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`maybe you're being honest... and what you're doing is simply WRONG`
`20:46.12`	`laptopdude90`	`you're welcome to`
`20:46.16`	`robmal`	`[TK]D-Fender: He's 15 ;-)`
`20:46.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`We don't know, and I'd be an idiot to trust blindly when you couldn't get the names right after 5 times`
`20:46.40`	`robmal`	`We know.`
`20:46.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Just show some initiative`
`20:46.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"sip show settings" <-`
`20:47.00`	`laptopdude90`	`well I'm not sure how to prove that I'm pressing the keys on my brick of keys in the correct order`
`20:47.04`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`verify that while you're at CLI`
`20:47.22`	`laptopdude90`	`Network Settings:`
`20:47.22`	`laptopdude90`	`---------------------------`
`20:47.22`	`laptopdude90`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:47.22`	`laptopdude90`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:47.22`	`laptopdude90`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:47.22`	`laptopdude90`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:47.22`	`laptopdude90`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:47.31`	`laptopdude90`	`sorry should have pastebin'd that`
`20:47.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<laptopdude90> well I'm not sure how to prove that I'm pressing the keys on my brick of keys in the correct order <- Funny Pastebin is perfectly capable of containing a copy/paste from CLI where I see you issuing commands`
`20:47.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Fix the port`
`20:47.56`	`laptopdude90`	`how? .-.`
`20:48.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`externaddr=142.134.91.178:5060`
`20:48.06`	`laptopdude90`	`o`
`20:48.35`	`laptopdude90`	`Externaddr: 142.134.91.178:5060`
`20:48.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And before we look for another call... lets fix 1 thing in your [callcentric}`
`20:48.51`	`laptopdude90`	`Call still doesn't work`
`20:49.00`	`laptopdude90`	`Error. Other side said: Forbidden`
`20:49.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`they should be "nat=no" because THEY are not behind NAT`
`20:49.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`SHOW THE CALL`
`20:49.19`	`laptopdude90`	`yes I am going to.`
`20:49.27`	`laptopdude90`	`There's a limit on how fast I can type you know.`
`20:49.35`	`laptopdude90`	`Caps lock doesn't overclock my fingers.`
`20:49.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You wasted lines telling us :`
`20:49.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<laptopdude90> Call still doesn't work`
`20:49.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<laptopdude90> Error. Other side said: Forbidden`
`20:49.46`	`laptopdude90`	`Now then`
`20:49.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Just show it`
`20:50.00`	`laptopdude90`	`Do you want me to paste the call? Or fix the config?`
`20:50.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`fix config, and place a new call`
`20:50.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[TK]D-Fender> And before we look for another call... lets fix 1 thing in your [callcentric}`
`20:50.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Was this unclear?`
`20:50.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`fix BEFORE`
`20:50.29`	`laptopdude90`	`Well then you yelled at me.. so`
`20:50.57`	`laptopdude90`	`I don't understand what I'm suppose dto fix`
`20:51.00`	`laptopdude90`	`I don't see nat=no`
`20:51.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[TK]D-Fender> they should be "nat=no" because THEY are not behind NAT`
`20:51.10`	`laptopdude90`	`ah`
`20:51.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`FUCKING SET IT`
`20:51.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`:)`
`20:51.17`	`laptopdude90`	`I am`
`20:51.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Good, go apply everything and let's see what we get in the call`
`20:52.23`	`lvlinux`	`Please don't cuss TK`
`20:52.32`	`laptopdude90`	`http://pastebin.com/iQP8x0Cn`
`20:53.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<--- SIP read from UDP:204.11.192.39:5080 --->`
`20:53.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`SIP/2.0 403 Incorrect Authentication`
`20:53.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`not "forbidden" anymore`
`20:53.20`	`laptopdude90`	`oh dear`
`20:53.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yay progress`
`20:53.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"sip show registry"`
`20:53.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Lets see if your registration actually went though properly`
`20:54.15`	`laptopdude90`	`Host dnsmgr Username Refresh State Reg.Time`
`20:54.16`	`laptopdude90`	`callcentric.com:5060 N ?sa 120 No Authentication`
`20:54.16`	`laptopdude90`	`1 SIP registrations.`
`20:54.16`	`laptopdude90`	`rip`
`20:54.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yup`
`20:54.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`RIP`
`20:55.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`time to look at the registration itself`
`20:55.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`More typos?`
`20:55.56`	`laptopdude90`	`Im gon try the passa gain`
`20:59.49`	`lvlinux`	`Tip: make sure your password doesn't have a colon or @ in it`
`21:00.10`	`laptopdude90`	`I FIXED ITTTTT`
`21:00.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`A friend of mine had an ileostomy, or as I call it, a SEMI-COLON.`
`21:00.57`	`lvlinux`	`Lol`
`21:01.07`	`laptopdude90`	`Wait. No I didn't :/`
`21:01.11`	`laptopdude90`	`Authentication works now`
`21:01.25`	`laptopdude90`	`but the call doesn't go through`
`21:01.31`	`laptopdude90`	`my cell doesn't ring or anythin`
`21:01.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`4 more lines and nothing to show...`
`21:02.10`	`laptopdude90`	`wat?`
`21:02.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ABP`
`21:02.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Always. Be. Pastebinning.`
`21:02.41`	`laptopdude90`	`kek`
`21:02.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Because last time the response was different`
`21:03.38`	`laptopdude90`	`http://pastebin.com/Bxz28Lbv`
`21:04.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<--- SIP read from UDP:204.11.192.39:5080 --->`
`21:04.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`SIP/2.0 183 Session Progress`
`21:04.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and I see a whole lot of ringing`
`21:04.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`CANCEL sip:14183172685@192.168.1.207 SIP/2.0`
`21:04.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And they gave up`
`21:05.13`	`laptopdude90`	`Hold on`
`21:05.16`	`laptopdude90`	`It's a free number`
`21:05.26`	`laptopdude90`	`Is it possible they don't allow long distance calling`
`21:05.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`What is a "free number"?`
`21:05.35`	`laptopdude90`	`It cost me 0.00`
`21:05.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`do not assume INBOUND is the same as OUTBOUND`
`21:06.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`If they give you a NUMBER ... the som far that is only the ability to RECIEVE calls.`
`21:06.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Nothing is assumed about outbound`
`21:06.24`	`laptopdude90`	`k`
`21:06.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`What do they actually say they offer?`
`21:07.23`	`lvlinux`	`One of those 1777 numbers?`
`21:07.36`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah`
`21:07.48`	`lvlinux`	`That won't call out to pain`
`21:07.53`	`laptopdude90`	`k`
`21:07.56`	`lvlinux`	`U gotta pay the Bucks`
`21:08.26`	`lvlinux`	`s/pain/pstn/g`
`21:09.11`	`laptopdude90`	`im gon take a break from this for now`
`21:09.23`	`lvlinux`	`goes to clean some mold and mildew fun fun....`
`21:24.29`	`*** join/#asterisk cyford (~support@50.153.166.234)`
`21:24.53`	`robmal`	`YAY!`
`21:25.57`	`cyford`	`hi, any ideal why this would work in linux but not asterisk system(), email goes out fine in shell... echo " Call lasted 159 seconds" \| mutt -a "/var/spool/asterisk/monitor/2604374171-20151114162054.wav" -s "Chat Room Results " -c "test@ktcsg.com" -- test@cyfordtechnologies.com`
`21:26.17`	`robmal`	`No.`
`21:30.05`	`drmessano`	`cyford, can the asterisk user execute mutt?`
`21:31.02`	`robmal`	`Don't help the spammer!`
`21:34.22`	`cyford`	`thanks, asterisk didnt have a home directory lol`
`21:35.06`	`robmal`	`:-/`
`22:16.18`	`*** join/#asterisk KNERD (~KNERD@netservisity.com)`
`22:59.12`	`*** join/#asterisk karelk (~karel@31.10.145.202)`
`23:14.26`	`*** join/#asterisk crocodilehunter (~Thunderbi@CPE-121-211-223-68.hhui7.cht.bigpond.net.au)`
`23:32.36`	`*** join/#asterisk marlinc (~marlinc@bouncer.cvo.technology)`
`23:34.39`	`*** join/#asterisk Fanch (~fanch@reverse1.qth.fr)`
`23:37.25`	`laptopdude90`	`~book`
`23:37.25`	`infobot`	`Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook`
`23:38.54`	`robmal`	`I knew it!`
`23:39.15`	`laptopdude90`	`knew what?`
`23:39.30`	`laptopdude90`	`I closed the tab a few hours ago and I'm picking up where I left off`
`23:39.42`	`*** join/#asterisk Chotaire (chotaire@vegetarian.cannibal.club)`
`23:39.47`	`robmal`	`Right.`
`23:39.58`	`laptopdude90`	`XD`
`23:40.09`	`laptopdude90`	`Quiz me on anything up to chapter 8`
`23:41.26`	`robmal`	`Nice try, i'd have to read it myself first ;-)`
`23:41.36`	`laptopdude90`	`just open it up`
`23:41.40`	`laptopdude90`	`and read a paragraph`
`23:41.45`	`laptopdude90`	`and quiz me on that paragrapgh`
`23:41.53`	`robmal`	`<- very lazy`
`23:42.23`	`laptopdude90`	`and yet you have the audacity to call me out for supposedly lying about reading a book`
`23:43.02`	`*** join/#asterisk Encrypt (~Chuck@cpc72901-newt33-2-0-cust203.19-3.cable.virginm.net)`
`23:43.05`	`Encrypt`	`Hey guys!`
`23:43.08`	`robmal`	`If they had a perfect laziness in Sevres i'd be laying next to it.`
`23:43.37`	`robmal`	`Encrypt: Hi! laptopdude90 is our designated host for you today, feel free to ask him anything.`
`23:43.46`	`laptopdude90`	`up to chapter 8`
`23:43.51`	`*** join/#asterisk KNERD (~KNERD@netservisity.com)`
`23:44.00`	`robmal`	`Encrypt: Up to chapter 8 of TEH BOOK.`
`23:44.05`	`laptopdude90`	`yes`
`23:44.48`	`Encrypt`	`For those of you who were dreaming to automatically send "Happy birthday" SMS messages: https://github.com/Encrypt/basl`
`23:44.53`	`Encrypt`	`I've just published it :D`
`23:45.43`	`robmal`	`But we all know when our birthdays are and we don't have friends so whats the point of such service?`
`23:46.06`	`laptopdude90`	`the sad truth`
`23:46.33`	`Encrypt`	`x)`
`23:46.34`	`robmal`	`laptopdude90: Don't go this way so ;-)`
`23:47.04`	`laptopdude90`	`wut?`
`23:54.43`	`laptopdude90`	`I've got question about something in the book`
`23:54.55`	`laptopdude90`	`In their sample Voicemail configuration file`
`23:54.58`	`laptopdude90`	`They have this: format=wav49\|wav`
`23:55.10`	`laptopdude90`	`Does this make 2 copies, one as wav and one as wav49?`
`23:56.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`yes`
`23:56.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`And you don't need 2`
`23:56.45`	`laptopdude90`	`Yes I know`
`23:56.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`might be useful depending what you want to do`
`23:56.52`	`laptopdude90`	`But that was the sample they recommended`
`23:56.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`just to hear you don't`
`23:56.57`	`laptopdude90`	`ty`
`23:57.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Sample does it just to show you can`
`23:57.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and recording in native can save on transcoding`
`23:57.35`	`laptopdude90`	`yeah, they said about that`
`23:57.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`which wouldn't be either of those 2 formats technically`
`23:57.58`	`*** join/#asterisk Chotaire (chotaire@vegetarian.cannibal.club)`

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