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| 01:18.54 | mehale | hi |
| 01:19.16 | mehale | how can I check if endpoints are talking directly to each other or via asterisk during a voice call? |
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| 06:39.21 | EmleyMoor | Reshaped my network, and gave my Asterisk box a 192.168. address, but if I give my Aastra phone one, it appears it doesn't register with Asterisk - why would that be? |
| 07:00.25 | ChannelZ | maybe it's the wrong shape now |
| 07:00.52 | ChannelZ | Did you tell the phone the new IP of asterisk as well? |
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| 08:31.28 | RZero | Hi all, quick question. I have been looking at a way of muting the DTMF audio so the B end doesn't hear the audio when I key is pressed. I know it can be done in Meetme but I just to be able to do it in nomal bridge call. |
| 08:32.29 | RZero | Is this possible with Asterisk 1.8 + |
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| 08:46.04 | snadge | https://issues.asterisk.org/jira/browse/ASTERISK-17388 |
| 08:46.14 | snadge | im trying to figure out when this patch was included in 1.8 .. ie.. which 1.8 version |
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| 10:44.54 | mehale | how can I check if endpoints are talking directly to each other or via asterisk during a voice call? |
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| 11:46.53 | dan_j | Has anyone used sipsak? I'm using it to check connectivity to asterisk. The problem is it only works one with pjsip. Following register attempts fail because the endpoint has too many contacts for subsequent registrations. |
| 11:47.17 | dan_j | Is there any way to get sipsak to unregister following the register? |
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| 12:28.32 | [TK]D-Fender | dan_j: remove_existing <----------- |
| 12:29.37 | dan_j | [TK]D-Fender: is that an asterisk option? |
| 12:29.48 | [TK]D-Fender | RZero: No, but you can have your Dial redirect to a conference to acheive a similar result depending on what you have to do afterwards |
| 12:29.57 | dan_j | i dont see it in the sipsak docs |
| 12:30.01 | [TK]D-Fender | danpjsip. Red the sample configs & wiki on it. |
| 12:30.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Read* |
| 12:30.12 | dan_j | ok. will do. |
| 12:30.17 | dan_j | thanks |
| 12:30.55 | [TK]D-Fender | "Following register attempts fail because the endpoint has too many contacts for subsequent registrations." <- this will allow it to REMOVE the old ones so sipsak continues on its merry way |
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| 12:48.29 | dan_j | Perfect. Thanks for that. |
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| 13:03.32 | mzbotr | I'm trying to open a test channel on a SIP trunk I'm working on @ twilio, the error I hit is 'forbidden' from 'anonymous' anonymous@trunk.ptsn.twilio.com. |
| 13:04.04 | mzbotr | Just from the error alone (I could pasteit some more details, very willing and appreciate help), could anyone "spot the mistake"? (: |
| 13:04.33 | [TK]D-Fender | PB it |
| 13:06.40 | mzbotr | K, 1 min. Twilio is very helpful by the way, i forget who reccomended it, but it is absolutely beautiful compared to didlogic. |
| 13:07.10 | RZero | Thanks Fender, didn't think it was possible. |
| 13:07.37 | [TK]D-Fender | RZero: "core show application dial" |
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| 13:12.38 | mzbotr | http://pastebin.com/tr36ie05 |
| 13:12.45 | mzbotr | http://pastebin.com/Nq7tvExt |
| 13:13.14 | mzbotr | CLI command: channel originate SIP/TwilioProvider/9myphonenum application Playback tt-monkeys |
| 13:14.32 | [TK]D-Fender | And the call? |
| 13:15.11 | [TK]D-Fender | You've also just showed us dialplan ... that isn't getting used at all... |
| 13:17.23 | mzbotr | I know ): I'm way too new for this. http://pastebin.com/3aH0bdnC |
| 13:18.06 | mzbotr | changing the default context made the error go away. |
| 13:18.13 | mzbotr | Now that the dialplan is being used. thank you. |
| 13:18.51 | mzbotr | taking that back, it only took longer. The difference in call logs shows a SIP CoS mark 4 after the RTP message. |
| 13:21.59 | [TK]D-Fender | You have no callerid set on your call. |
| 13:22.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Because you are Originating from CLI |
| 13:22.19 | [TK]D-Fender | create dialplan to do your actual dialout and set the callerID prior |
| 13:22.27 | [TK]D-Fender | and Dial() it like normal |
| 13:22.45 | [TK]D-Fender | And use a Local channel instead to use this |
| 13:23.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Local/EXTEN@CONTEXT |
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| 14:50.06 | ago_ | Hi. what can i do to voicemail notification LED @OpenStage80? |
| 14:50.23 | ago_ | Is it a minivmMWI prob? |
| 14:51.12 | WIMPy | Does minivm even do that? |
| 14:51.35 | ago_ | after leaving a message - the led won't swith on... |
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| 14:52.03 | WIMPy | Turn on sip debug and see if anything is happening. |
| 14:52.33 | mcargile | Is PJ SIP in asterisk 11? When i was at Astricon they made it sound like it was not but it seems to be mentioned in the change log. |
| 14:53.06 | [TK]D-Fender | mcargile: No, it was introduced in 12 |
| 14:53.42 | mcargile | Thats what I thought. Just saw 11.20 messing around with pjlib stuff when compiling and thought it was odd |
| 14:54.43 | WIMPy | Yes, it uses (can use?) pjsip, but it does not have chan_pjsip. |
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| 14:54.53 | mcargile | Ahh |
| 14:55.15 | mcargile | okay. Ill hold off on messing with that till we move to Asterisk 13. Thanks |
| 14:55.43 | WIMPy | TBH I have no idea what it's used for in 11. |
| 14:56.52 | [TK]D-Fender | I think it was the first step in media abstraction.... |
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| 14:57.32 | ago_ | WIMPy: what else could be the reason for missing MWI LED? |
| 14:58.45 | ago_ | WIMPy: minivmMWI? |
| 14:58.51 | WIMPy | ago_: Look at what's happening. I have never tried minivm. |
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| 15:00.58 | hjf | i'm having some trouble configuring my asterisk system, which I use for internal calls only. i got a VOIP provider account but I can't make or receive calls |
| 15:01.06 | hjf | sip.conf: http://pastebin.com/iNPzkgra extensions.conf: http://pastebin.com/0aAG7GCy |
| 15:01.20 | hjf | errror on outbound: [Oct 23 11:59:45] WARNING[101315][C-00000006]: chan_sip.c:23168 handle_response_invite: Received response: "Forbidden" from '"arcana" <sip:3624574181@10.42.42.35>;tag=as21fb5938' |
| 15:01.32 | hjf | error on inbound: [Oct 23 11:59:59] NOTICE[101315][C-00000007]: chan_sip.c:25821 handle_request_invite: Call from '4574181' (10.10.10.253:5060) to extension '4574181' rejected because extension not found in context 'default'. |
| 15:02.41 | [TK]D-Fender | last one is clearly looking for that exten in that context.... |
| 15:02.44 | [TK]D-Fender | And it isn't there |
| 15:02.52 | hjf | yes. i just realized that |
| 15:02.54 | [TK]D-Fender | The first is a clear auth error. |
| 15:03.02 | hjf | i was using the full number with area code |
| 15:03.36 | [TK]D-Fender | And yo should never ever have a context labelled [default] |
| 15:03.42 | [TK]D-Fender | that is a security risk |
| 15:04.16 | [TK]D-Fender | because certain things WILL fall-back to it when you try sending a call to an invalid exten. |
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| 15:08.40 | ago_ | does anyone use MWI? |
| 15:09.33 | hjf | [TK]D-Fender: but why do i get an auth error on outbound? i am registered in the voip provider |
| 15:10.30 | [TK]D-Fender | hjf: And there is not for it to use as a username in your peer |
| 15:10.33 | [TK]D-Fender | nothing* |
| 15:11.02 | [TK]D-Fender | If you don't force it in the peer then it takes whatever the CALLERID says. |
| 15:11.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Which is likely variable junk to your provider |
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| 15:11.49 | [TK]D-Fender | ago_: WIMPy: minivmMWI? <- this app seems to be what triggers MWI for it. Is it getting CALLED? |
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| 15:13.31 | ago_ | [TK]D-Fender: yes - the app is called, but the MWI Led didn't switched on. |
| 15:13.38 | hjf | [TK]D-Fender: i tried adding username in the peer section but it doesn't change anything |
| 15:14.19 | [TK]D-Fender | they probably want it in the FROM |
| 15:14.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ago_: You should be showing us a full attempt with SIP debug..... |
| 15:14.46 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 15:14.46 | infobot | A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 15:14.48 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 15:17.08 | ago_ | [TK]D-Fender: http://pastebin.com/index/TA80dX3J |
| 15:21.13 | WIMPy | ago_: Did you read what it says there? |
| 15:21.38 | ago_ | WIMPy: What do you mean? |
| 15:22.09 | WIMPy | [Oct 23 17:15:30] ERROR[16613][C-0000000d]: app_minivm.c:2083 minivm_mwi_exec: 2 arguments passed to MiniVM_MWI, need 4. |
| 15:23.54 | ago_ | WIMPy: http://pastebin.com/s9bHDXZG |
| 15:24.21 | mzbotr | Thanks for the help guys (: My asterisk box works *exactly* like it should now! |
| 15:24.23 | ago_ | I did some changes in extensions.conf |
| 15:24.35 | mzbotr | I never thought I'd be so happy to hear monkeys call me at +19999999999 |
| 15:24.49 | WIMPy | ago_: It doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 15:24.52 | [TK]D-Fender | ago_: We don't know that box even exists |
| 15:25.13 | ago_ | thx... |
| 15:25.59 | WIMPy | somehow has doubts that even matters. |
| 15:26.20 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm I'm sure that's significant |
| 15:26.24 | [TK]D-Fender | oh* |
| 15:27.06 | WIMPy | Looks very standalone to me. But As I said, I never looked in to minivm. |
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| 15:27.42 | mzbotr | yes, I don't know if anybody said this, but sipdebug=yes will tell you absolutely everything that typically goes wrong. |
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| 15:28.05 | [TK]D-Fender | We do. Almost all the time. |
| 15:28.51 | ago_ | thx 4 help. so I found the prob on an easy conf. [TK]D-Fender WIMPy. I forgot in sip.conf the line "mailbox=1000@default" :/ |
| 15:30.39 | [TK]D-Fender | Classic "is this even a valid box" snafu |
| 15:30.40 | [TK]D-Fender | yup |
| 15:30.42 | [TK]D-Fender | You're welcome |
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| 15:37.37 | WIMPy | Not that the association in sip.con has something do do with the existance :-) |
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| 16:23.53 | Voyage | Hi, I am new to voip world and dont even know what to use. My goal is to auto call a list of 120 subscribers with a recorded message (dont want hard phones) b) do calls with multiple simultaneous lines (multi threaded to make calls quick) |
| 16:24.32 | Voyage | What are the easies steps to do that. Please put me to the beneficial direction. |
| 16:24.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Pick the tech you want to use for PSTN connectivity so you can place the calls. |
| 16:24.42 | Voyage | hm |
| 16:24.53 | [TK]D-Fender | If it's using an ITSP then all you need is your internet conenction and * |
| 16:24.57 | Voyage | tech? what do you mean by that? |
| 16:25.10 | [TK]D-Fender | If you intend to use physical telco lines you'll need an interface card |
| 16:26.09 | [TK]D-Fender | analog lines, digital telco lines, GSM cell connection, VoIP protocol to an ITSP. These are all different techs |
| 16:26.43 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, i prefer and heard about VoIP. Thats what I planned to use |
| 16:26.57 | Voyage | something I buy and have an internet connection to make calls |
| 16:27.00 | [TK]D-Fender | Then all you need is to pick your provider and configure your * system |
| 16:28.11 | Voyage | ok |
| 16:28.11 | igcewieling1 | Voyage: Please understand Asterisk is not really a PBX or VoIP phone system, it is a TOOLKIT which allows you to build such things. |
| 16:28.57 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, [TK]D-Fender before I choose a provider, what software do I need that can do the above said? |
| 16:29.03 | Voyage | igcewieling1, ^ |
| 16:31.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Asterisk <- |
| 16:32.16 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, so asterisk will be the easiest way for me to do? |
| 16:32.36 | lvlinux | Voyage: depends on exactly what you are wanting to do. |
| 16:32.49 | [TK]D-Fender | VoyageHi, I am new to voip world and dont even know what to use. My goal is to auto call a list of 120 subscribers with a recorded message (dont want hard phones) b) do calls with multiple simultaneous lines (multi threaded to make calls quick) |
| 16:32.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Already statted. |
| 16:32.58 | [TK]D-Fender | stated* |
| 16:33.04 | [TK]D-Fender | And pretty clear |
| 16:33.22 | lvlinux | yes sorry just went up and read that as you were reposting :-) |
| 16:33.30 | lvlinux | yep Asterisk. |
| 16:33.41 | lvlinux | Voyage: start with the book |
| 16:33.46 | lvlinux | ~book |
| 16:33.46 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 16:33.52 | Voyage | so asterisk is the most easiest way for me? |
| 16:34.13 | *** join/#asterisk darkbasic (~quassel@niko.linuxsystems.it) |
| 16:34.22 | Voyage | lvlinux, [TK]D-Fender igcewieling1 I heard there are other much easy and prebuld/ configured etc systems than asterisk? |
| 16:35.01 | [TK]D-Fender | You want a callout based system |
| 16:35.14 | lvlinux | You can probably do the same thing with Tropo, might be easier. But Asterisk will give you the most flexibility. |
| 16:35.29 | [TK]D-Fender | And no description of when you'd trigger, how many different messages, what you expect as any kind of interface to manage, etc |
| 16:35.50 | [TK]D-Fender | And... you're in #asterisk .... expect us to think that * is plenty easy for this |
| 16:36.44 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, i might also make some manual calls but auto calling with a recorded message is my goal + multiple threads of calling. not just one step by step calling |
| 16:37.07 | lvlinux | any prebuilt/preconfigured systems aren't going to really help you---they are going to be preconfigured to do things differently than what you want. The only advantage you'd get from something like that is not having to actually install Asterisk on the machine, which is nothing... |
| 16:37.14 | [TK]D-Fender | * will throw out as many as you tell it to as you tell it to. |
| 16:39.00 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, trigger calls at a specific time or manually. Doesnt matter to me. 120 numbers to call (FAST) on a specific time. For Fast calls, I need simultaneous calling in parallel. I am not familier about any interface. I am in asterisk channel but I expect a reasonable answer :) |
| 16:40.02 | [TK]D-Fender | And you have it : Asterisk |
| 16:40.20 | Voyage | ok. great. How much time do you think will it take for me to get started? |
| 16:40.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Depends on you |
| 16:40.33 | lvlinux | Voyage: depends on how quick you learn/read |
| 16:40.33 | Voyage | ie make the first automated call |
| 16:40.44 | Voyage | knows linux abit |
| 16:40.56 | [TK]D-Fender | You'll be wanting to use "AMI Originate" or "call files" to generate the outbound calls. |
| 16:41.04 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, lvlinux ok, can I make automated calls, is it built in feature of *? |
| 16:41.21 | lvlinux | check out the book---it will guide you through basic setup. Then you can move into the more advanced stuff. |
| 16:41.31 | [TK]D-Fender | You'll also want to be doing tracking in the dialplan, or via AMI to see if you have more room to queue up more calls (depending on your functional limit" |
| 16:41.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ^ automated calls |
| 16:41.55 | [TK]D-Fender | [12:40][TK]D-FenderYou'll be wanting to use "AMI Originate" or "call files" to generate the outbound calls. <- |
| 16:42.23 | [TK]D-Fender | And go read the book for the dialplan basics as well as syntax for call-files, and AMI if you choose to go that route |
| 16:42.57 | lvlinux | Voyage: the book is free to read online so no excuses :-) |
| 16:45.24 | *** join/#asterisk darkbasic (~quassel@niko.linuxsystems.it) |
| 16:46.07 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, I am not familier with any of the terminologies you stated but I will note them down and dig into. Secondly, how much simultaneious / parralel calls can * make? lets say I have 120 subscribers to call. if I have 2 threads, its 60 + 60 calls in each thread. if I have 120 threads. and a 1 minute recording to play. all calls will be made in 1 minute. |
| 16:46.39 | [TK]D-Fender | I gave you terms you can lookup in the BOOK |
| 16:46.58 | [TK]D-Fender | And you can make as many as your connection supports and your provider allows |
| 16:47.01 | Voyage | surely will do sir |
| 16:47.22 | [TK]D-Fender | Which could mean all 120 at once or any amount less |
| 16:47.24 | Voyage | ok. |
| 16:47.34 | lvlinux | yes 120 calls is not really a lot. |
| 16:47.37 | Voyage | great |
| 16:48.18 | Voyage | I think the reason you guys suggested me * is that I might get into installation issues but * will give me most power and control at the end? |
| 16:48.33 | [TK]D-Fender | Asterisk does whatever you configure it to do |
| 16:48.36 | Voyage | I also assume that * does have a GUI interface (maybe a web page based)? |
| 16:48.42 | [TK]D-Fender | For me it's a juke-box and coffee-maker. |
| 16:48.54 | [TK]D-Fender | GUI = useless for you |
| 16:48.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Your needs are CUSTOM |
| 16:49.23 | lvlinux | YES---DO NOT pay attention to anyone saying that you need a GUI. It will only cause you grief. |
| 16:49.57 | Voyage | hm |
| 16:50.12 | Voyage | so I might get into installation issues but * will give me most power and control at the end? |
| 16:50.27 | lvlinux | what do you mean by "installation issues"? |
| 16:50.33 | [TK]D-Fender | [12:48][TK]D-FenderAsterisk does whatever you configure it to do |
| 16:50.35 | [TK]D-Fender | ^ |
| 16:50.42 | [TK]D-Fender | most contrl = WHATEVER YOU WANT |
| 16:50.45 | Voyage | well, configuring, installing .. thats what I heard |
| 16:50.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Configuration trouble = up to you |
| 16:51.19 | [TK]D-Fender | For issues.... well you're in the support channel |
| 16:51.36 | Voyage | that makes me wonder, what is the advantage or purpose of other wrapper products built around *? |
| 16:52.00 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, I appreciate the support already :) |
| 16:52.23 | lvlinux | Voyage: if you want a quick PBX, don't want to really learn it, can't stand command line, etc., then FreePBX or something like that may work for some people. |
| 16:53.05 | lvlinux | But it will only be beneficial for regular office PBX style setups. |
| 16:53.18 | lvlinux | There is no GUI that does custom or advanced stuff. |
| 16:54.00 | Voyage | lvlinux, will freepbx do what I want? |
| 16:54.03 | lvlinux | Same goes for the other capable VoIP software packages. |
| 16:54.05 | lvlinux | NO |
| 16:54.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Voyagethat makes me wonder, what is the advantage or purpose of other wrapper products built around *? <- to do specific things, or make other things easy. |
| 16:54.24 | Voyage | ah |
| 16:54.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Voyagelvlinux, will freepbx do what I want? <- FrePBX is for making SOHO pBX systems. Not an call-out automation system |
| 16:54.35 | Voyage | == loss of control |
| 16:54.42 | Voyage | over advantage of some ease |
| 16:54.49 | igcewieling1 | The GUIs are for people who want a PBX rather than a toolkit to build one. |
| 16:55.11 | lvlinux | If you want a simple office PBX, (30 phones, 2 landlines, 6 voip accounts, voicemail, etc.) then FreePBX will do that fine. |
| 16:55.11 | robmal | We should start a war with #freepbx |
| 16:55.26 | [TK]D-Fender | You need a TINY amount of * configuration. and a TINY amount of scripting to feed and limit your number of simultaneous calls. |
| 16:55.33 | igcewieling1 | robmal: the world is big enough for both. |
| 16:55.48 | robmal | We should anyway. |
| 16:56.05 | lvlinux | robmal: superior people groups don't need to attack smaller less sophisticated groups that offer them nothing and are not a threat to them lol. |
| 16:56.19 | robmal | Good point :-/ |
| 16:56.22 | Voyage | ok. I have linux already. so installation will be quick I guess (of *) |
| 16:56.30 | igcewieling1 | FreePBX is now owned by Sangoma |
| 16:56.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Could be |
| 16:56.33 | lvlinux | which distro? |
| 16:56.36 | Voyage | will download * soon. |
| 16:56.42 | Voyage | ubuntu |
| 16:56.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Voyage: Specific instructions are on the official wiki |
| 16:56.58 | Voyage | I dont think * comes with a bundled distro though? |
| 16:57.10 | Voyage | ok |
| 16:57.11 | robmal | Indeed it does. |
| 16:57.13 | lvlinux | it does but that's not what you want |
| 16:57.17 | robmal | Even with a gui! |
| 16:57.19 | Voyage | oh ok |
| 16:57.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Voyage: Or you could use their packages if you don't lose anything for the version they decided to make them using |
| 16:57.25 | *** part/#asterisk igcewieling1 (~ewieling@ip98-170-211-145.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 16:57.51 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, oh so installing * via ubuntu repo is better? |
| 16:58.03 | lvlinux | NO not better that' snot what he saidf |
| 16:58.18 | Voyage | am, its the same I guess? |
| 16:58.35 | lvlinux | you can use the packages, but the best is the latest version. |
| 16:58.42 | [TK]D-Fender | same as installing * from the same SOURCE they used |
| 16:58.49 | Voyage | ok |
| 16:58.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Packaging is sometimes OUTDATED |
| 16:59.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Which i common knowledge/sense |
| 16:59.16 | robmal | [TK]D-Fender: You started SCREAMING recently, everything OK? |
| 16:59.17 | [TK]D-Fender | is* |
| 16:59.25 | Voyage | however, I would want to install the gui too (for later use) if its there with the asterisk, its good to have both control and ease |
| 16:59.43 | lvlinux | no the GUI iwll not give you ease |
| 16:59.43 | [TK]D-Fender | I dOn'T kNoW wHaT yOu ArE tAlKiNg AbOuT |
| 16:59.47 | lvlinux | lol |
| 17:00.02 | Voyage | my repos have 1:11.7.0 v |
| 17:00.07 | lvlinux | the GUI will give you nothing but grief. |
| 17:00.15 | [TK]D-Fender | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.22 | [TK]D-Fender | ^ |
| 17:00.23 | [TK]D-Fender | current |
| 17:00.35 | Voyage | so this is fine too? 1:11.7.0 v |
| 17:00.37 | [TK]D-Fender | no idea waht the consequence is for their package. |
| 17:00.53 | lvlinux | that will work, but you may be missing some features or there may be bugs that were fixed since then. |
| 17:01.08 | [TK]D-Fender | You'd have to check the package descriptions if they back-ported fixes, if there were security-specific fixes, etc |
| 17:01.13 | [TK]D-Fender | That's the catch with packaging |
| 17:01.16 | lvlinux | Voyage: are you comfortable installing packages from source? |
| 17:01.38 | *** join/#asterisk F2Knight (~F2Knight@c-50-139-86-39.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 17:01.58 | Voyage | I can install from sources to but its easy to delete, upgrade and maintain things installed by repos. rest is your suggestion. I will try to do what ever you say |
| 17:03.22 | lvlinux | you can try it either way, but like TK said, you don't know what bugs have been fixed between 11.7 and 11.20 |
| 17:03.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Try your packaging for now |
| 17:03.57 | Voyage | lvlinux, ok. will do from source then. I hope it will be easy for me to upgrade source installed apps |
| 17:03.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Why not. |
| 17:04.10 | [TK]D-Fender | but be aware that YYMV as far as quality goes |
| 17:04.18 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, am i should try packaging by repos then? |
| 17:04.33 | [TK]D-Fender | [13:03][TK]D-FenderTry your packaging for now <------------- |
| 17:04.48 | Voyage | ok, going to install via package then...... |
| 17:04.51 | lvlinux | yes go ahead and do the packaging just to get familiar |
| 17:04.58 | Voyage | ok |
| 17:05.17 | [TK]D-Fender | That brings the installation difficulty to basically 0 |
| 17:05.32 | Voyage | right |
| 17:05.34 | lvlinux | setup a basic system with a softphone and voip provider and get it to make calls and then move on to what you are really trying to accomplish. |
| 17:05.37 | Voyage | good for a newbie |
| 17:05.51 | Voyage | lvlinux, first I have to buy a provder package |
| 17:06.02 | Voyage | and I dont know what to buy.. |
| 17:06.15 | lvlinux | are u in the US or elsewhere? |
| 17:06.21 | Voyage | outside |
| 17:06.27 | Voyage | will call in US mainly though |
| 17:06.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Go shop around |
| 17:06.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ~itsplist-us |
| 17:06.41 | infobot | Here are some popular ITSPs (USA) starting with the more respected ones: http://www.broadvoice.com, http://www.jnctn.com, http://www.sipstation.com, http://vitelity.net, http://voip.ms and http://flowroute.com |
| 17:07.05 | lvlinux | also DIDlogic is good. They are worldwide too. |
| 17:07.14 | Voyage | ok |
| 17:07.22 | lvlinux | and their rates are excellent (better than most) |
| 17:08.00 | Voyage | I just need outgoing ITSP? incomming number will be included or I have to buy separately? |
| 17:08.10 | Voyage | I heard its called DiD |
| 17:08.11 | Voyage | ? |
| 17:08.15 | lvlinux | it's separate. Yes DID. |
| 17:08.25 | lvlinux | (well in general it's separate) |
| 17:08.33 | lvlinux | but I thought you just needed outgoing calling? |
| 17:09.14 | *** join/#asterisk Dougy (~dhaber@openvpn/community/support/Dougy) |
| 17:09.18 | lvlinux | doesn't really matter though---it works with or without. |
| 17:09.20 | Voyage | I do but if a customer calls back on the number (from which it recieved a call) and finds he cant talk to a representative, its unexpected thing. no? |
| 17:09.23 | Dougy | hi. looking for some help with digium phones module. is there a better channel for it? |
| 17:10.21 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, lvlinux ok, how much time does it takes for a ITSP provider to get started and make the first call? am asking because if it takes long, I should do it now? |
| 17:10.31 | lvlinux | Voyage: in any case a DID is only a few dollars a month. |
| 17:10.45 | lvlinux | Voyage: as quick as you can sign up. |
| 17:11.08 | lvlinux | Voyage: you can call within 2 minutes or less usually. |
| 17:11.13 | Voyage | lvlinux, and I can get the same number of Did for which number the ITSP is using to make calls? |
| 17:11.25 | Voyage | lvlinux, great. |
| 17:11.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Voyagelvlinux, and I can get the same number of Did for which number the ITSP is using to make calls? <- this makes no sense |
| 17:11.53 | lvlinux | yes number is irrelevant pretty much. |
| 17:11.54 | [TK]D-Fender | A DID is just a phone number |
| 17:12.05 | [TK]D-Fender | You don't need ANY to call out. |
| 17:12.23 | [TK]D-Fender | So far you aren't expecting anyone to call you BACK |
| 17:12.34 | lvlinux | when you purchase a DID, the provider connects it to your VoIP account. |
| 17:12.35 | [TK]D-Fender | So you could send whatever you want as the CAllerID (probably) |
| 17:12.48 | lvlinux | [TK]D-Fender: actually he did say he may get return calls. |
| 17:12.52 | [TK]D-Fender | DID is so that people can call YOU |
| 17:13.02 | [TK]D-Fender | may = later. |
| 17:13.06 | [TK]D-Fender | How much later is in question |
| 17:13.15 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, lvlinux but what number will the reciever see on its cli when I call via ITSP? |
| 17:13.22 | lvlinux | Depends. |
| 17:13.45 | *** join/#asterisk linocisco (~linocisco@103.25.14.225) |
| 17:13.46 | Voyage | oh I got it |
| 17:13.46 | lvlinux | With voip.ms you can send any number you like (for legal purposes). |
| 17:13.53 | Dougy | I have a few digium D45 in a diferent location from the PBX. Need to provision them. Says fetching user list from sip:proxy@ip:5060 and then it just fails or time sout |
| 17:14.00 | lvlinux | and some other providers. |
| 17:14.01 | Dougy | i see connection attempts from this phone in asterisk console |
| 17:14.02 | Dougy | where can i start |
| 17:14.27 | Voyage | so if I can send WHATEVER as my caller id, great. I can send the DId number. so I can get callbacks. or I can send " Voyage customer support" as a number too? |
| 17:14.44 | [TK]D-Fender | no. |
| 17:14.48 | [TK]D-Fender | words != number |
| 17:14.48 | linocisco | http://pastie.org/private/0itjpxcnnnxoasnic5dng |
| 17:15.13 | Voyage | ok |
| 17:15.18 | [TK]D-Fender | Clearly not in the right folder now, is it? |
| 17:15.29 | Voyage | I though some also offer words. at least in sms |
| 17:15.38 | lvlinux | Dougy: never messed with Digium phones---hang around though maybe someone else has. |
| 17:15.39 | Voyage | thought |
| 17:15.44 | *** join/#asterisk hjf (~hjf@unaffiliated/hjf) |
| 17:15.47 | [TK]D-Fender | callerid NUMBER != words |
| 17:15.51 | lvlinux | Voyage: sms is something totally different. |
| 17:15.56 | Voyage | ok |
| 17:16.02 | Dougy | lvlinux: frustrating. its so close. says timed out contacting proxy |
| 17:16.03 | Voyage | got it |
| 17:16.09 | Dougy | but connectivity is fine between places |
| 17:16.10 | lvlinux | in Canada callerid does have the words that go with the number though, but doesn't always work. |
| 17:16.15 | [TK]D-Fender | words are part of the payload of SMS. It is not part of the number it is coming from |
| 17:16.21 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, lvlinux great I am relaxed to some extent now. Thanks to you 2 |
| 17:16.30 | Voyage | [TK]D-Fender, lvlinux, as i am new. Just asking for idea. (so I dont buy something cheapo or too expensive) how much would it cost to make 8 hour daily consecutive calls for 25 days a month by 1 phone line (just a bogus example to get an idea)? |
| 17:16.59 | [TK]D-Fender | depends |
| 17:17.09 | Voyage | normal service. .. |
| 17:17.14 | [TK]D-Fender | per minute could be $.01 USd or lower depending who you pick |
| 17:17.24 | lvlinux | DIDlogic's per minute rate is $0.007, voip.ms is $0.012, Flowroute $0.01 |
| 17:17.29 | [TK]D-Fender | For the rest, just do the math |
| 17:17.31 | lvlinux | so you can figure it up based on those. |
| 17:18.38 | lvlinux | most providers dont' care how you make the calls, they are just charged per minute, per call. |
| 17:19.39 | lvlinux | so if you make 10 1 minute calls on one line, you will be charged the same as 100 simultaneous 6 second calls on 100 "lines", etc. |
| 17:20.00 | linocisco | http://pastie.org/private/0itjpxcnnnxoasnic5dng |
| 17:20.01 | Voyage | lvlinux, confusing $0.007 is 7 cents? |
| 17:20.07 | [TK]D-Fender | lvlinux: You're assuming per-second billing there |
| 17:20.12 | lvlinux | nope .7 cents. |
| 17:20.21 | [TK]D-Fender | Oh Dod... |
| 17:20.25 | [TK]D-Fender | ~verizonmath |
| 17:20.35 | [TK]D-Fender | ~verizon |
| 17:20.35 | infobot | Verizon is utter garbage. Do yourself a favor and stay away from that company. |
| 17:20.38 | [TK]D-Fender | lol |
| 17:20.40 | Voyage | :) I never had to do math. |
| 17:20.42 | [TK]D-Fender | no more link I ghuess |
| 17:20.57 | lvlinux | [TK]D-Fender: Voyage: correct---increments are different---DIDlogic and flowroute are 6 second increments I believe. |
| 17:21.37 | Voyage | lvlinux, oh. it increments after every 6 seconds |
| 17:22.09 | lvlinux | yes, some providers may be 30 seconds or 10 seconds or round to next minute (Vonage I think) ...gasp... |
| 17:23.22 | lvlinux | so anyway if you are paying around 1-1.5 cent/minute you are in the normal price range. Some are a bit more because they claim to have better support or whatever, but in general 1-1.5c is normal. |
| 17:25.30 | lvlinux | Voyage: some providers automatically let you send any callerid number you want (voip.ms), others you have to ask to have it enabled (DIDlogic), and some you may have to provide proof of your business location or whatever and/or they only may let you send callerid of numbers that you actually can receive a call back on. |
| 17:25.53 | Voyage | lvlinux, I guess I have to research more on vendors. Whats the cheapest.. ITSP that does makes calls :) |
| 17:26.10 | lvlinux | if you want the cheapest for testing go w DIDlogic. |
| 17:26.36 | Voyage | need like $0.001 instead of $0.007 |
| 17:26.47 | lvlinux | they are a good service, but you have limited support (they won't help you out setting up anything). |
| 17:27.14 | lvlinux | you aren't going to find much lower than .007 |
| 17:27.29 | lvlinux | and if you did, the service would be garbage. |
| 17:28.10 | lvlinux | seems like i saw .006 somewhere but may have only been wholesale or something. |
| 17:28.26 | Voyage | lvlinux, hm. I used to send updates to customers via twilio that offers near 1 cent per sms. via web or rest calls. So sms would be a better way if I aint going to get cheaper call rates.. What do you think? |
| 17:29.05 | lvlinux | that is something you have to decide yourself, whether you wan tto use SMS or voice calls. |
| 17:29.22 | lvlinux | But if your call message is less than a minute, .007 is cheaper than 1c. |
| 17:29.36 | Voyage | lvlinux, https://www.twilio.com/sms/pricing |
| 17:30.02 | Voyage | its $0075 per sms |
| 17:30.15 | Voyage | does didlogic charge per minut or per second? |
| 17:30.40 | Voyage | its $0.0075* per sms |
| 17:30.48 | Dougy | damit. i deleted every extension and redid it, digium phone saw the user list, let me pick one, now hangs at fetchin config |
| 17:31.20 | lvlinux | 6 second increments. So a 30 second call will be 0.35 cents |
| 17:31.43 | Voyage | oh oh. then its ok |
| 17:32.00 | lvlinux | 1 minute call will be $0.007 (0.7 cents) |
| 17:32.21 | Voyage | I will try to record in 12 or 18 seconds |
| 17:32.44 | Voyage | lvlinux, simultaneous calls are unlimited i guess? |
| 17:32.51 | [TK]D-Fender | depends on the provider |
| 17:32.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Always look at what they offer |
| 17:33.05 | Voyage | k |
| 17:33.12 | [TK]D-Fender | And if you don't see it expressly written, ask them directly |
| 17:33.35 | Voyage | I also heard if I buy bulk package or so called unlimited calls per month. I get a huge discount |
| 17:33.36 | lvlinux | usually each provider will have thier limit of 2, 10, 30, 100, whatever. Usually if you need more you just ask them and tell them why you need more and they will enable it. It's to prevent fraud. |
| 17:33.48 | lvlinux | Voyage: depends, not necessarily. |
| 17:34.00 | Voyage | hm |
| 17:34.01 | [TK]D-Fender | You don't get unlimited calls with unlimited channels |
| 17:34.07 | Voyage | hm |
| 17:34.15 | [TK]D-Fender | You missed the big print there |
| 17:34.16 | lvlinux | Voyage: if you get an unlimited calls plan it will be on one or two simultaneous calls only. |
| 17:34.31 | [TK]D-Fender | ONE channel as many calls as you want. Just nothing simultaneous |
| 17:34.44 | [TK]D-Fender | And those all have "soft limits" |
| 17:34.58 | [TK]D-Fender | "Unlimited" (tm) != unlimited |
| 17:35.02 | lvlinux | lol |
| 17:35.49 | lvlinux | Voyage: you'll just have to look at the plans they offer and figure up what makes the most sense for you. But for now just sign up with DIDlogic and get your testing started. |
| 17:37.09 | lvlinux | You can get a DID if you want, or not, doesn't matter. But get something going and then you can expand. The book will walk you through a basic setup and get you familiar and then you'll be ready to go on to the setup you want. |
| 17:37.43 | Voyage | lvlinux, hm ok. I wish I could get near $0.003 though |
| 17:37.54 | lvlinux | not gonna happen. |
| 17:38.03 | Voyage | hm |
| 17:38.27 | lvlinux | like i said, 1c/min to 1.5c/min is standard. Anything better than that is a bonus. |
| 17:38.56 | Voyage | $0.007 by DIDlogic is ok too? |
| 17:39.19 | lvlinux | .007 from didlogic is a fantastic rate. |
| 17:39.32 | lvlinux | i thought that was clear from what I said earlier. |
| 17:39.54 | lvlinux | That's about as good as it gets from reputable companies. |
| 17:40.05 | Voyage | right |
| 17:40.11 | Voyage | ok! |
| 17:40.57 | lvlinux | gtg...have fun! :-) |
| 17:41.10 | linocisco | http://pastie.org/private/0itjpxcnnnxoasnic5dng |
| 17:41.30 | Voyage | lvlinux, Thanks :) |
| 17:41.51 | lvlinux | np |
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| 17:46.53 | mcargile | is there a way to write a patch to enable app_meetme in Asterisk 11 without having to run make menuselect? |
| 17:47.21 | mcargile | need to automate the process on 200 servers. |
| 17:49.00 | [TK]D-Fender | do it once.. then copy the makefile |
| 17:49.26 | mcargile | k |
| 17:51.39 | mcargile | diff is reporting no difference between the Makefiles before and after make menuselect |
| 17:52.57 | mcargile | or is it the make file in /apps |
| 17:53.10 | file | menuselect can be controlled via arguments |
| 17:53.47 | WIMPy | The result is in menuselect.makeopts. |
| 17:54.22 | file | indeed, you can also copy that |
| 17:54.26 | file | but menuselect/menuselect --enable app_meetme menuselect.makeopts |
| 17:54.28 | file | will also control it |
| 18:03.10 | mcargile | file: problem there is I need to compile menuselect for that to work which automatically launches it. I would need to quit out of it and then run that command on the command line. |
| 18:03.33 | mcargile | unless there is something I am missing |
| 18:04.08 | mcargile | like a way to compile it without launching it |
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| 18:05.05 | file | make menuselect.makeopts |
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| 18:08.26 | mcargile | that did it. |
| 18:08.30 | mcargile | thanks file |
| 18:18.01 | Voyage | lvlinux, there or gone? |
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| 18:28.29 | linocisco | http://pastie.org/private/nadq9yhkrocd9nrhq7nda |
| 18:28.32 | lvlinux | Voyage: here |
| 18:29.26 | Voyage | thinq.com provides $0.0025 to $0.0045 average rates. I thought to share that with you as I just talked to their sales rep. But I am not happy as some terminations have $0.3/min too |
| 18:29.31 | Voyage | risky |
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| 18:31.09 | mzbotr | Does anyone know how to encode mp3 files into formats asterisk could use for playback files? |
| 18:31.19 | Voyage | lvlinux, is didlogic.com down? |
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| 18:36.18 | linocisco | http://pastie.org/private/nadq9yhkrocd9nrhq7nda |
| 18:36.30 | [TK]D-Fender | mzbotr: "file convert "<tab> |
| 18:36.52 | [TK]D-Fender | mzbotr: * can normally play them back via format_mp3 |
| 18:37.02 | [TK]D-Fender | but being preconverted is best |
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| 18:55.06 | lvlinux | Voyage: it worked for me. Try adding the www. |
| 18:55.21 | Voyage | hm |
| 18:56.30 | mzbotr | sox did it ok, 8khz 1channel is really all you need to do if it's wav |
| 18:58.02 | Voyage | lvlinux, their server for my country is down then. |
| 18:58.14 | Voyage | lvlinux, I tried US proxy and it worked |
| 19:00.31 | lvlinux | Voyage: what country are you in? |
| 19:02.14 | lvlinux | Voyage: oh ok. Well it may be because of that---you may want to look at another provider because I suspect that their SIP gateways will be down for you as well. |
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| 19:16.40 | Voyage | lvlinux, am hm |
| 19:17.18 | Voyage | lvlinux, can I use amazon ec2 and install asterisk there? this will also add additional security later with ssh |
| 19:18.13 | lvlinux | yes you can install * on a vm. Never done it on EC2 but it should work fine. |
| 19:18.40 | lvlinux | others have successfully done that. |
| 19:18.58 | Voyage | lvlinux, and I can still call from local computer. It will be like this local pc -> ec2 * -> ITSP -> called number |
| 19:19.28 | lordvadr | I'm contemplating building an CentOS 7 repo for asterisk since Digium still doesn't have one out--kicker is I need DAHDI hardware support. Is there a blocker from this standpoint to building later versions of asterisk (11, 12, 13)? Kernel in el7 maybe? I don't want to spend all the time setting up the build only to find out, say, the DAHDI firmware isn't going to work. |
| 19:20.16 | Voyage | lvlinux, I can email you the thinq.com rates if you want |
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| 19:36.26 | talntid | are there other settings than qualify=2000 that i should set? |
| 19:36.32 | talntid | regarding qualify stuff? |
| 19:36.44 | talntid | my phones just sorta, randomly get unregistered, then eventually reregister |
| 19:40.24 | [TK]D-Fender | that has nothing to do with "registered or not |
| 19:40.47 | [TK]D-Fender | qualify simply decides if * will bother trying to send them calls or not |
| 19:44.56 | Voyage | lvlinux, you were correct. didlogic is not for my country. I emailed them. Any other provider you may know of that offers rates near $0.005/min/ |
| 19:45.01 | Voyage | ? |
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| 20:11.26 | lvlinux | Voyage: don't know of any, since I'm in the US. You'll just have to check around and find one I guess. Good luck. |
| 20:12.06 | Voyage | lvlinux, thanks for the nice guide today! |
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