| 00:09.07 | gusto | ok |
| 00:09.11 | gusto | i have it running now |
| 00:09.30 | gusto | pjproject was that package that was needed for it |
| 00:10.11 | gusto | now: http://ur1.ca/h43th that looks better |
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| 00:31.53 | Kattyroo | developers developers developers developers developers |
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| 00:59.54 | gartral | has google voice been broken for anyone else for a while? |
| 01:00.56 | [TK]D-Fender | GV is going away period |
| 01:01.49 | gartral | [TK]D-Fender: wut |
| 01:02.13 | [TK]D-Fender | Ancient news. Google is moving everything to "Hangouts" which has no outisde support. |
| 01:02.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Everything using GV iss going to stop, and has started to in waves |
| 01:02.32 | gartral | oh for fuck's sake |
| 01:02.40 | [TK]D-Fender | No more free lunch |
| 01:03.11 | gartral | damnit.. hasn't google heard of the maxim "If it aint broke, don't fix it"? |
| 01:03.29 | Nivex | that's counter to "If it isn't making us money, fix it." |
| 01:03.42 | gartral | wait, never mind, that's a legitimatly stupid question |
| 01:05.15 | gartral | ok.. is there any free/decently affordable for a broke-person VoIP provider? |
| 01:07.53 | [TK]D-Fender | What real usage? |
| 01:09.42 | gartral | [TK]D-Fender: 3-5 people, maybe 2000 minutes/month between them |
| 01:09.50 | gartral | all I need is a damn DID |
| 01:10.22 | [TK]D-Fender | Where are you calling? |
| 01:10.54 | gartral | US only.. primarly the state of Ohio |
| 01:11.42 | Juggie | gartral, voip.ms |
| 01:11.50 | Juggie | dids are super cheap (99cents in most places) |
| 01:12.09 | Juggie | if you register all the sip phones to one account, all the calls between them are free |
| 01:12.12 | Juggie | treated as local extensions |
| 01:12.29 | Juggie | only if you dial out to PSTN or someone calls the did |
| 01:12.33 | Juggie | that you get billed |
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| 01:13.35 | gartral | Juggie: I have an asterisk server, all i need.. ALL I need.. is a did so that me and my family can use a damn phone |
| 01:13.53 | Juggie | then voip.ms is cheap |
| 01:15.14 | gartral | ugh |
| 01:15.39 | gartral | there's a problem.. they require a working phone number... guess what I don't have? |
| 01:16.38 | Juggie | ? |
| 01:16.44 | Juggie | a working number? |
| 01:17.00 | gartral | Juggie: exactly |
| 01:17.46 | Juggie | no you dont |
| 01:17.52 | Juggie | make an account, add a balance, order a DID |
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| 01:19.23 | Juggie | you dont even need a did on the account to make calls i dont think |
| 01:19.25 | Juggie | just a balance |
| 01:20.00 | gartral | Juggie: I don't have a phone number to sign up with.. they want a number that they can call.. I don't have one |
| 01:20.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ~itsplist-us |
| 01:20.41 | infobot | Here are some popular ITSPs (USA) starting with the more respected ones: http://www.teliax.com , http://www.voicepulse.com/connect/ , http://www.broadvoice.com , http://www.jnctn.com , http://www.bandwidth.com , http://vitelity.net , http://voip.ms and http://flowroute.com |
| 01:20.57 | [TK]D-Fender | the last 3 are pretty solid choices |
| 01:21.27 | [TK]D-Fender | in common use by many of the more experienced members of this channel |
| 01:21.44 | Juggie | you can get a free number |
| 01:22.03 | gartral | [TK]D-Fender: well voip.ms is out, because of circular logic.. |
| 01:22.25 | Juggie | eg http://burnerapp.com/ |
| 01:22.38 | [TK]D-Fender | gartral: Namely? |
| 01:23.13 | Juggie | i dont understand how you cant have a business number, cell number, friends number you can use to validate your account. |
| 01:23.13 | gartral | [TK]D-Fender: need phone number to obtain phone number.. wtf? |
| 01:23.33 | [TK]D-Fender | gartral: How so? |
| 01:23.45 | Juggie | put a fake number in voip.ms when signing up? :P |
| 01:24.16 | gartral | Juggie: simple, I live on $600 a month.. cell service is at minimum $60/mo in my area |
| 01:25.11 | Juggie | ic... if you just put in a fake number, do they try to call it? |
| 01:25.20 | gartral | yes, I'm a cheap ass... I'd say "sue me", but you can't get blood out of a turnip! :P |
| 01:25.34 | gartral | Juggie: yep |
| 01:26.46 | Juggie | gartral, try http://www.ipkall.com/ to get a free DID |
| 01:26.48 | Juggie | and use that |
| 01:27.14 | gartral | Juggie: I never could get ipkall to work right.. |
| 01:27.23 | gartral | any tips on that? |
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| 01:28.21 | Juggie | gartral, nope.. but go to a friends, sign up for voip.ms validate and move on ;) |
| 01:29.20 | gartral | Juggie: lol problem, most of my friends don't have phones either |
| 01:29.38 | gartral | and the ones that do, aren't in ohio, let alone my city :P |
| 01:30.55 | gartral | circular logic sucks |
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| 14:21.53 | pbxman | hello |
| 14:23.14 | pbxman | I'm looking for information on IVRs. I'm planning to migrate from VoiceXML to another system. Any ideas? |
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| 14:56.10 | MaliutaLap | pbxman: extensions.ael :) handwrite them :) |
| 14:59.32 | pbxman | not bad... The thing I hate the most about asterisk is the extensions.conf systax, Anyway I don't think that would be enough, I need to call Webservices, Databases, etc. thank you MaliutaLap |
| 15:00.17 | MaliutaLap | pbxman: so IVR combining AEL and AGI :P |
| 15:01.53 | pbxman | VXML is the future.... ;) |
| 15:05.00 | WIMPy | If you like XML you can try Freeswitch. |
| 15:05.26 | WIMPy | The extensions.conf syntax does need getting used to, but it's not bad for what it's there for. |
| 15:06.16 | WIMPy | There must be a reasy why FS accepts that as well. |
| 15:09.21 | MaliutaLap | WIMPy: I prefer the extensions.ael syntax ... more programmatic in how it does things |
| 15:09.45 | MaliutaLap | WIMPy: it does then confuse me when I look at the dialplan from CLI |
| 15:12.30 | WIMPy | But AEL is only translated so by definition can only be worse. |
| 15:26.34 | MaliutaLap | WIMPy: meh, I find it easier to express in AEL |
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| 15:30.22 | pbxman | AEL...they wouldn't let me use it , at least not until it remains experimental |
| 15:30.54 | MaliutaLap | since when is AEL experimental? |
| 15:31.53 | pbxman | first line here MaliutaLap http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+AEL |
| 15:32.39 | [TK]D-Fender | Page Created: Wed 07 of Sep, 2005 (20:56) |
| 15:32.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 15:32.49 | [TK]D-Fender | That wiki is decrepit crap |
| 15:32.56 | WIMPy | It ma give good inspiration, but never trust voip-info. |
| 15:33.01 | WIMPy | may |
| 15:33.02 | MaliutaLap | yeah, needs cleaning up |
| 15:33.11 | pbxman | damn voip-info site... |
| 15:33.12 | [TK]D-Fender | With napalm |
| 15:33.47 | pbxman | I still don't know when it ceased to be experimental... |
| 15:34.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Who says that claim was even really valid? |
| 15:34.14 | [TK]D-Fender | it's a **WIKI** |
| 15:34.37 | [TK]D-Fender | I've seen plenty of pages on there written by idiots. |
| 15:34.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Riddled with code errors and misconceptions |
| 15:35.05 | MaliutaLap | idiots? on a wiki? never! |
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| 15:38.29 | [TK]D-Fender | [11:12]WIMPyBut AEL is only translated so by definition can only be worse. <- I continue to stand by this as well |
| 15:39.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Can only do worse, introduce a new point of failure. Allow even more spagetti code by those who take artistic license with their spacing, especially those who forget * has no strict data-types. |
| 15:40.12 | pbxman | well that's not always the rule, Are you familiar with JQuery and Javascript? |
| 15:40.23 | [TK]D-Fender | And then what you see in CLI doesn't resemble too much of what you thought you did. |
| 15:40.49 | [TK]D-Fender | pbxman: Others being worse or better is besides the point. |
| 15:46.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Then again.. I can't imagine much worse than *'s use of data types... |
| 15:47.28 | WIMPy | What data types? |
| 15:47.31 | MaliutaLap | [TK]D-Fender: and your feelings on the lua extensions? |
| 15:47.33 | [TK]D-Fender | EXACTLY |
| 15:47.59 | [TK]D-Fender | MaliutaLap: Never looked at in detail, but the feeling I got was that was actually real & useful by comparison |
| 15:48.14 | MaliutaLap | I don't count on data types or anything - I generally just don't feel like writing endless GOTO's :) |
| 15:48.23 | WIMPy | The lus thing is completely different. But I can't make any sensible comments on that one. |
| 15:48.58 | [TK]D-Fender | MaliutaLap: Not sure on the interaction of certain dialplan apps that have return points based on standard dialplan. |
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| 15:54.09 | pbxman | I'm with you on that one MaliutaLap I don't concieve an extensive IVR with asterisk syntax. I'd rather use VXML + Java or PHP |
| 15:55.08 | MaliutaLap | pbxman: java??? php?? are you a mad man? |
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| 15:55.28 | MaliutaLap | pbxman: even perl or *shudder* python is better than that |
| 15:56.23 | MaliutaLap | pbxman: I don't like many languages, but Java and PHP are at the top of the list |
| 15:56.49 | pbxman | MaliutaLap: Most IVRs I have worked with use PHP or Java. Java is powerful as hell, you can integrate with almost any service |
| 15:57.21 | WIMPy | If you can afford the resources. |
| 15:58.57 | MaliutaLap | Java is slow as hell and has really bad garbage collection - I prefer to manage my own memory |
| 15:59.44 | pbxman | the Idea Is to use another machine and you call an external agi, so the PBX and the IVR work separately. The Asterisk call centers I have worked for are not that big maybe 150-300 concurrent users max. |
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| 15:59.50 | [TK]D-Fender | pbxman: What's your idea of "extensive"? |
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| 16:01.13 | pbxman | MaliutaLap: Java is not that slow and certainly not slower than Javascript, LUA or any interpreted language. Besides what is the alternative? C programming? too risky I think. |
| 16:02.04 | WIMPy | But Java has a known tendency to just stall everything for a few seconds when it's least comfortable. |
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| 16:05.07 | [TK]D-Fender | And having updates ever second day to install :) |
| 16:05.39 | pbxman | I don't know WIMPy that would depend on your coding skills I think, there are big corporations that use java, besides you have plenty of tools to monitor what is going on inside the JVM, like any other language you are not exent of memory leaks, excesive memory heap fragmentation, etc.. |
| 16:06.19 | WIMPy | Well, maybe Java progrtammers are just less capable than others then. |
| 16:07.33 | MaliutaLap | Perl (even though it's not my favourite language) can be faster than equivalent C |
| 16:07.42 | MaliutaLap | if done properly |
| 16:08.45 | pbxman | look on the bright side a few seconds taken by the garbage collector to collect all the garbage is not worse than a core crash,and as for Java Project you have JBoss or Tomcat which are very reliable java projects |
| 16:09.28 | WIMPy | It makes it completely unusable for anything that's not just running in the background. |
| 16:10.29 | MaliutaLap | Java lovers are just as bad as the Ruby and Python crowds |
| 16:11.06 | pbxman | LOL MaliutaLap I think it's a common misconception, |
| 16:11.15 | MaliutaLap | can't really discuss the merits of various langs with them, not with any efficiency anyhow |
| 16:12.05 | MaliutaLap | pbxman: I had a discussion with someone who's PhD was writing a new Java garbage collector ... she agreed with me :P |
| 16:12.28 | WIMPy | On Unixoids it's easy: "If you can't do it as a shell script, do it in C. Anyhting in between is just a waste of time." |
| 16:12.53 | pbxman | how about android phones? |
| 16:12.55 | MaliutaLap | shell is everywhere, makes things easily portable |
| 16:13.09 | WIMPy | Err, no. |
| 16:13.13 | MaliutaLap | perl is the next best option to shell or c |
| 16:14.04 | MaliutaLap | one of the things I like about perl (and there aren't many) is the ability to inline code from things like C |
| 16:15.16 | MaliutaLap | I also heavily dislike OO - even though my first 2 years at uni were spent writing OO code |
| 16:15.30 | MaliutaLap | come to think of it that may have something to do with it |
| 16:16.28 | WIMPy | A colleague always says, he used to write OO code for decades, even back when it was called lists and pointers. |
| 16:17.09 | MaliutaLap | lol |
| 16:17.43 | MaliutaLap | WIMPy: well if that counts then I have to re-think my stance on OO ;) |
| 16:18.18 | WIMPy | Well, I'd say that was the time when OO used to actually work :-) |
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| 17:43.29 | lvlinux | hey, what was the vulnerability in 11.7 that was fixed with 11.8? Is it serious? |
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| 19:28.02 | lvlinux | well i can't remember if it was a vulnerability or just a bug. It's one thing if my box crashes, another if I get a $45k bill from calls to 1900 numbers in Somalia lol. |
| 19:28.43 | [TK]D-Fender | And are you now sleeping better? |
| 19:29.41 | carrar | Could just upgrade |
| 19:29.53 | carrar | unplug |
| 19:30.21 | carrar | or write something that will alert on excessive whatever calls |
| 19:30.27 | lvlinux | well it's on Astlinux, and not sure if they have 11.8 yet and didn't want to build a custom image. |
| 19:30.48 | carrar | time to install asterisk from source |
| 19:30.55 | carrar | :) |
| 19:31.00 | carrar | FREE YOURSELF |
| 19:31.20 | lvlinux | well i do that on desktops, but it's a lot of trouble to do it on an embedded system. |
| 19:31.28 | carrar | heh |
| 19:32.04 | carrar | Whats it running on? |
| 19:32.10 | lvlinux | and I have done it before with Astlinux, just don't want to again lol... |
| 19:32.21 | lvlinux | a thin client with a CF card |
| 19:32.30 | carrar | hmm |
| 19:32.37 | lvlinux | it is x86 though. |
| 19:34.02 | lvlinux | no i take that back, this one is a standard desktop (w 2 PSTN cards), but still on CF card. |
| 19:35.12 | lvlinux | nevermind, looks like they put 11.8 in the 1.1.6 custom build engine versions so I'll just use that instead of the release version. |
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| 21:08.51 | TriJetScud | oops wrong term |
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