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| 01:05.12 | dorphalsig | hey, when building * 11.1 on debian squeeze I'm getting this error: http://paste.debian.net/220220/ |
| 01:06.03 | Tim_Toady | do you have gcc installed? whats the output of gcc -v |
| 01:06.38 | dorphalsig | I installed build-essentials |
| 01:07.08 | dorphalsig | gcc version 4.7.2 (Debian 4.7.2-4) |
| 01:07.28 | dorphalsig | its strange... I'm building the debian package for * 11.1 |
| 01:07.34 | WIMPy | o.O |
| 01:07.44 | dorphalsig | and thats the error I'm getting |
| 01:08.26 | WIMPy | gcc 4.7.2 is a current version. How does that get on to a debian box? |
| 01:08.50 | Tim_Toady | thats the version on sid |
| 01:09.29 | WIMPy | What has happened to the 3 years of testing philosophy? |
| 01:09.41 | Tim_Toady | sid is the unstable branch |
| 01:10.09 | dorphalsig | WIMPy: It gets via apt-pinning :) |
| 01:10.22 | WIMPy | Something is certainly unstable on dorphalsigs box. |
| 01:11.10 | Tim_Toady | dorphalsig: read the config.log as the output suggets, it will contain more info |
| 01:11.13 | dorphalsig | WIMPy: It wont build otherwise because its asking for corosync |
| 01:11.26 | dorphalsig | http://paste.debian.net/220223/ |
| 01:11.30 | dorphalsig | Its just mandarin to me |
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| 01:12.58 | WIMPy | Hmm. Yes. -V doesn't seem to work any more. |
| 01:13.58 | WIMPy | Looks like it wants dpkg-buildflags. |
| 01:15.15 | dorphalsig | but its there |
| 01:15.21 | WIMPy | And all those unknowns don't look sane. |
| 01:18.13 | dorphalsig | so what do you suggest? |
| 01:19.07 | WIMPy | Looks to me as if your OS is screwed. |
| 01:19.24 | WIMPy | Or at least missing some expected bits. |
| 01:20.40 | dorphalsig | heheheheheehehehehehee |
| 01:20.50 | dorphalsig | i'lll do a 100% sid chroot then |
| 01:20.53 | dorphalsig | and build in there |
| 01:21.12 | WIMPy | What do you do now? |
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| 01:33.29 | dorphalsig | is downloading a clean sid into a chroot |
| 01:33.41 | dorphalsig | and I will try and build the packages in the chroot |
| 01:34.18 | dorphalsig | since it does seem like my box is too stable to be sid and too unstable to be squeeze |
| 01:34.32 | dorphalsig | (its a new distro! Debian Squid) |
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| 05:29.15 | SeRi | Penguin: you around? |
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| 07:34.13 | Penguin | seri: Yep. |
| 07:34.32 | SeRi | Penguin: I ran through some issues during the last few days |
| 07:34.38 | SeRi | they puzzled me |
| 07:35.09 | SeRi | I couldnt figure out why internet calls where not coming in |
| 07:35.49 | SeRi | than it started working |
| 07:35.56 | SeRi | but... |
| 07:36.05 | SeRi | Thats not the big issue... |
| 07:37.00 | SeRi | My change my POP to dallas and all was working fine than sudenly I stop receaving calls and notice that even though I was register calls where not going out or coming in |
| 07:38.33 | SeRi | Penguin: jump in the conf. |
| 07:41.14 | Penguin | Which one? |
| 07:41.28 | SeRi | Penguin: dijib's |
| 07:41.44 | Penguin | Give me a minute to figure out what I'm doing. |
| 07:41.52 | SeRi | Thanks Penguin |
| 07:43.21 | Penguin | Did I get it right? |
| 07:44.23 | SeRi | you did but the call droped |
| 07:44.45 | Penguin | I hangupppped. |
| 07:44.54 | SeRi | lol |
| 07:44.58 | SeRi | dijib is confused |
| 07:45.14 | SeRi | 2663 |
| 07:45.19 | Penguin | When I dial his 2664 extension, it calls my own conf. |
| 07:45.21 | SeRi | is at 2663 |
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| 07:56.18 | Penguin | jalapino |
| 07:57.05 | Penguin | Not jalapeño, but jalapino. |
| 07:57.17 | SeRi | rofl |
| 07:57.20 | SeRi | hahahahaha |
| 07:57.23 | SeRi | jelapano |
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| 09:45.36 | phpboy | hey all... my system is recording at exactly half speed... why would this be? Asterisk 1.6 on CentOS on VMware |
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| 11:10.30 | Welagor | hello everybody. scuse me, I just upgrade my asterisk version on debian squeeze, 1.6 to 1.8 and asterisk don't start, when i launch asterisk -cvvvvvvvv i've got translate.c:797 __ast_register_translator: empty buf size, you need to supply one |
| 11:10.34 | Welagor | could you help me please? |
| 11:11.48 | jacekowski | have you tried google |
| 11:12.38 | jacekowski | it looks like that module is a leftover from old version |
| 11:12.40 | jacekowski | just disable it |
| 11:12.52 | Welagor | yes but what module ? |
| 11:13.58 | jacekowski | internet seems to think that it's a g729 module |
| 11:15.24 | Welagor | i search also, i remember i tried to install it, but I don't know in what directory, what's the default directory please? |
| 11:17.04 | kaldemar | /usr/lib/asterisk/modules is the default, see if debian also uses that. |
| 11:18.56 | Welagor | i have codec_g729.so |
| 11:19.20 | Welagor | i just delete that or i disable with noload => codec_g729.so ? |
| 11:19.46 | kaldemar | if the module is invalid, you might aswell delete it. how did you try to install it again? |
| 11:21.17 | Welagor | http://www.blog.manhag.org/2010/05/installing-the-free-g729-codec-for-asterisk/ |
| 11:21.21 | Welagor | with this tutorial |
| 11:22.12 | Welagor | you're right, i just put noload and asterisk work correctly |
| 11:22.20 | Welagor | i try to reinstall it in 1.8 version |
| 11:22.21 | Welagor | thank you |
| 11:22.30 | kaldemar | that's illegal just so you know. just delete the file. |
| 11:23.38 | Welagor | ok thank you |
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| 19:15.13 | zamba | how can i get analogue fax working with asterisk? |
| 19:15.20 | zamba | anyone got any nice howtos? |
| 19:17.32 | Krolokas | zamba: iaxmodem + hylafax works fine for me |
| 19:18.05 | zamba | that sounds a bit complicated |
| 19:18.16 | Krolokas | 5 minute setup, why? |
| 19:18.37 | [TK]D-Fender | zamba: DAHDI compatible card, or an ATA that supports T.38 |
| 19:18.56 | zamba | where can i find a list of ATAs that support T.38? |
| 19:18.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Krolokaszamba: iaxmodem + hylafax works fine for me <- this is not an analog fax |
| 19:19.17 | [TK]D-Fender | zamba: Googe & the products SPEC SHEETS should tell you |
| 19:19.18 | Krolokas | [TK]D-Fender, right. |
| 19:19.47 | zamba | i've got four different ATAs here |
| 19:20.33 | zamba | netgear TA612VSP, cisco ata 186/188, sipura spa-2000 and linksys spa-2102 |
| 19:21.03 | zamba | [TK]D-Fender: what do i have to do on the asterisk side? |
| 19:22.05 | [TK]D-Fender | zamba: Set up the T.38 parameters that are all over the sample configs and documented. |
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| 19:48.54 | zamba | [TK]D-Fender: basically just t38pt_udptl = yes? |
| 19:49.21 | [TK]D-Fender | zamba: First what is on the OTHER side of the call? |
| 19:49.47 | zamba | [TK]D-Fender: isdn |
| 19:49.53 | zamba | [TK]D-Fender: using lcr |
| 19:50.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Which is a SIP layer, isn't it? |
| 19:50.40 | zamba | [TK]D-Fender: it's sip from asterisk to the ATA i decide to put up, yeah |
| 19:50.56 | [TK]D-Fender | No, the LCR side. Not sure what it takes to TERMINATE to that channel type. |
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| 19:51.22 | [TK]D-Fender | * 10+ can terminate to DAHDI, and it may go "audio" to LCR as well.. just not sure if there is a risk of loss in between that layer |
| 19:51.38 | zamba | 10+? |
| 19:51.47 | zamba | i'm not using dahdi, as far as i know |
| 19:52.09 | WIMPy | Hi |
| 19:52.29 | WIMPy | No. That's an alternative to dahdi. |
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| 20:31.21 | jmls | evening all |
| 20:31.46 | jmls | anyone used curl for cdr ? Is it possible ? |
| 20:37.22 | cusco | hu? how so |
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| 20:51.52 | [TK]D-Fender | jmls: http://www.php-trivandrum.org/code-snippets/invoke-shell-from-mysql-trigger/ |
| 20:52.32 | jmls | <[T |
| 20:52.44 | jmls | [TK]D-Fender : thanks |
| 20:53.35 | jmls | I must be some sort of sad puppy, as I could have sworn that I had used curl for cdr in some other project. However, from all I've read, it doesn't seem possible directly |
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| 20:55.27 | [TK]D-Fender | jmls: what have you "read"? |
| 20:56.55 | cusco | jmls: can you state your final goal? |
| 20:56.58 | jmls | the asterisk config docs , cdr docs etc in the source directory |
| 20:58.11 | [TK]D-Fender | jmls: You could also use at.d + cdr_custom.conf to another file that you empty on set. |
| 20:58.48 | jmls | [TK]D-Fender . yeah, thanks |
| 20:59.19 | jmls | I may just raise them through the dialpla |
| 20:59.24 | [TK]D-Fender | jmls: probably something with e syslog option as well.. |
| 20:59.55 | [TK]D-Fender | jmls: MySQL trigger seems to be the most resilient looking... |
| 21:00.02 | jmls | yup |
| 21:01.27 | [TK]D-Fender | jmls: This would probably be a VERY simple module to make though to just call whatever script(s) you want passing whatever you want to them.... |
| 21:01.35 | [TK]D-Fender | jmls: Probably request-worthy |
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| 21:47.00 | nsgn | howdy there. i've got a customer who uses both cordless phones and walkie talkies for many of ther employees on property. they are curious if there is some combination device; one that acts as a walkie but also as a phone interfacing with the asterisk system |
| 21:47.45 | nsgn | i figure this can't be the first time someone has thought of such. obviously devices like nextel or whatnot are popular, but the range only has to be within their campus and so we don't need to pay an outside provider to operate cell phones |
| 21:48.17 | WIMPy | And what exactely are you missing on a normal cordless phone? |
| 21:49.48 | nsgn | they want to pick up one handset, hold a button, and all other handsets play aloud what they're saying |
| 21:49.57 | nsgn | such as "delivery at the back gate, we need team A members back here now" |
| 21:49.58 | Wiretap | that would be intercom functionality |
| 21:50.04 | Wiretap | you can do that with an extension |
| 21:50.40 | nsgn | hmm. obviously you're right. intercom is very close to this and much more native to SIP. i wonder if there are any cordless SIP handsets where intercom can be made an instant hotkey of sorts |
| 21:50.44 | WIMPy | You probably have to prewss 2-3 buttons, but apart from that it shold work. |
| 21:50.59 | nsgn | right now when i say cordless phones i mean we have some analog cordless phones on ATAs, because the asterisk box came in after the already had them |
| 21:51.25 | nsgn | so for intercom to work we'd need actual asterisk/sip aware cordless devices |
| 21:51.34 | [TK]D-Fender | Correct |
| 21:51.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Somthing to could signalled to asnwer |
| 21:51.43 | Wiretap | nsgn, indeed you would |
| 21:51.49 | nsgn | yeah |
| 21:51.54 | WIMPy | The wired Snoms have a PTT function, but the mobile ones are pretty different. |
| 21:52.06 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: Ironic |
| 21:52.19 | nsgn | it also really probably should be one button operation. they probably wont take the pitch if its more than that because they have a lot of....not so technically sharp...people who work out in the lot |
| 21:52.27 | nsgn | but they know how to use radios |
| 21:52.51 | WIMPy | I don't know if the cordess ones can do it. I don't know them. |
| 21:53.18 | nsgn | i'm looking at the cordless snoms right now |
| 21:53.20 | nsgn | like the m9? |
| 21:54.22 | WIMPy | The good thing is that it's DECT, not wifi. |
| 21:56.03 | nsgn | WIMPy, yeah. more reliable, but can it be distributed or can a phone only live off of one base/transmitter? |
| 21:56.08 | Krolokas | the m9 has no possibility for "single push button radio-alike function" as you describe. a workaround would be "start radio via quick dial" and "stop radio via hangup-button on phone" |
| 21:56.19 | nsgn | hmm |
| 21:56.28 | nsgn | can the quick dial be one button? |
| 21:56.53 | nsgn | and can it auto answer intercom calls and play them over a speaker phone (assuming it has one? i'm still reading about it) |
| 21:57.13 | Krolokas | 2 to 3 seconds pressing 0..9 button -> quick dial to programmed number |
| 21:57.20 | WIMPy | All DECT phones I've seen so far supprt 4 networks. |
| 21:57.34 | Krolokas | uhm, auto answer on m9 ? never tried .. |
| 21:58.08 | WIMPy | And depending on the base stations you use, yo can have many of them per network ID. |
| 21:58.10 | nsgn | Krolokas, ok, thx re push button. and yeah..for this to work like a walkie for them we need it to handle auto answer to speakerphone |
| 21:58.18 | WIMPy | (whatever the correct name was) |
| 21:58.34 | nsgn | WIMPy, what do you mean 4 networks? roaming between 4 base station's "cells"? |
| 21:59.17 | WIMPy | No. Cells are in a network and require better base stations. |
| 21:59.37 | WIMPy | 4 networks means up to 4 independant bases. |
| 21:59.51 | nsgn | each addressing their own phones |
| 22:00.00 | nsgn | not enhancing range |
| 22:00.32 | WIMPy | And with independant bases you don't get handover, off course. Or at least not automatically. |
| 22:00.39 | nsgn | the snom is pretty cool looking. what are some others? i've never really used anything other than desk phones for IP |
| 22:00.54 | WIMPy | You can also use repeaters instead of bases. |
| 22:00.56 | Krolokas | nsgn, "The "Intercom Incoming" of course will answer each incoming call automatically!" quick search on snom forum .. (http://forum.snom.com/index.php?showtopic=6768) |
| 22:01.10 | nsgn | *clicks* |
| 22:01.36 | Krolokas | it was a different question, but the answer states that m9 can auto answer intercom calls ;) |
| 22:02.20 | nsgn | hmm. can i choose the context or does it just auto answer all internal calls? also does the thing have a speakerphone? they dont seem to say if it does on the docs |
| 22:03.50 | Krolokas | m9 has a handfree mode (if you mean this by "speakerphone") - uses the speaker at the rear of the device (where ringtone is played) and internal microphone |
| 22:04.33 | nsgn | ok |
| 22:04.44 | Krolokas | never tried auto answer/intercom to m9, but i think this is done in dialplan via sipaddheader() or something. |
| 22:04.56 | WIMPy | How many phones do you need and what area? |
| 22:05.19 | nsgn | the area is not too huge. it is three smallish buildings over 3 or 4 acres |
| 22:06.03 | nsgn | the employees at desks obviously have ip phones, but the employees that roam out amongst the outdoor inventory (its an outdoor garden center) are the ones who need both walkie talkie ability amongst themselves and the ability to grab incoming customer calls if a question is about a plant out in the yard |
| 22:06.23 | nsgn | right now they all carry two devices, both of which are pretty bulky |
| 22:06.37 | nsgn | and both of which suck (analog phones and huge oldschool radios) |
| 22:06.47 | Krolokas | nsgn, TETRA is not possible for customer to use? |
| 22:07.07 | nsgn | i dont know if it is. i dont know much about these products. i've only ever dealt with desk phone installs. a unique customer to me |
| 22:07.11 | nsgn | *googles tetra* |
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| 22:08.29 | nsgn | Krolokas, the feature set of a tetra system looks killer. no idea what is involved in deploying or integrating with asterisk |
| 22:08.44 | Krolokas | tetra is digitial radio, like gsm, but is more radio than phone. interfacing to asterisk should be easy, tetra is controlled via AT-Command set. Soundcard + serial port. |
| 22:08.57 | WIMPy | Depending on shape and buildings one base might be able to cover the area. |
| 22:08.59 | Krolokas | but it is very expensive - look at device prices ;) |
| 22:09.28 | WIMPy | But one base will usually only handle 8 handsets. |
| 22:10.18 | nsgn | they may not need more than 8 right now |
| 22:10.25 | nsgn | its not a huge company |
| 22:10.54 | nsgn | they're just looking to replace an aging walkie fleet and all the cordless phone stuff and asked if there were a way i could combine it all |
| 22:11.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Krolokas: So all he's have to do is invent an entire channel driver for * to use to make it work. |
| 22:11.06 | [TK]D-Fender | nsgn: Get cracking! |
| 22:11.10 | WIMPy | Then the usual domestic thingie from the next supermarked might do. A few of them have intercom. |
| 22:11.10 | nsgn | i think they know they need the walkies and want to use the budget for them to get their cordless phones not to suck too |
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| 22:12.11 | nsgn | WIMPy, well, remember here its not point to point intercom they want. its point to multipoint. "hey does anyone know if we have X in stock" or "hey has anyone seen this little brat's parents he is lost" |
| 22:12.43 | nsgn | basically just straight up walkie talkie functionality, or something passibly close to it, within their IP network |
| 22:12.54 | WIMPy | If you need groups you're screwed with the el cheapis. But if you only need one or all, it might work. |
| 22:13.52 | WIMPy | The interesting point for you is probably how to invoke that function. |
| 22:14.03 | Krolokas | [TK]D-Fender, not that i have not already started ;) the actual interfacing is done by bash-script. not fast, but works. but channel driver is more complicated (for my abilities), and tetra-radios to expensive for spare devices to test software .. |
| 22:14.50 | nsgn | i think we were closest to my needs with DECT voip handsets. is there any competition to the snom? i want to compare and see what may be closest to our needs |
| 22:15.16 | WIMPy | There's nothing VOIP about those handsets. |
| 22:15.17 | [TK]D-Fender | nsgn: You need to tase your customers.... |
| 22:15.57 | nsgn | WIMPy, you're saying there is nothing VOIP about the snom m9? |
| 22:16.07 | WIMPy | Not the handset. |
| 22:16.18 | WIMPy | Only the base. |
| 22:16.50 | nsgn | WIMPy, i dont care if the handset uses DECT instead of wifi to get back to base. that's somewhat irrelevant. the feature set is handled by the base. for all purposes they're IP phones, no? |
| 22:17.13 | nsgn | when referring to the handset and base used together, not drilling down to whether or not SIP is run on the thing in your hand |
| 22:17.33 | WIMPy | I wouldn;t call them that. But you can view it that way. |
| 22:17.45 | nsgn | i guess it is kindof like a base with a built in ATA, but i get the impression it can handle a closer relation than a normal DECT phone married to an ATA |
| 22:17.58 | nsgn | things like auto answer and the like that you cant do with an ata typically |
| 22:17.59 | WIMPy | DECT is much more reliable than wifi. |
| 22:18.16 | nsgn | which is why these are pretty cool |
| 22:18.25 | WIMPy | Not an ATA. There is nothing analog in DECT. |
| 22:18.32 | nsgn | and really reasonably priced |
| 22:18.45 | Krolokas | nsgn, but you want the handsets to act like radio, so "transmit while pressed a button" - and that's not possible with dect - only the intercom thing - press 2-3 secs for start and 'hangup' for stop .. |
| 22:19.02 | WIMPy | Off course using an analog base cripple the whole system. |
| 22:19.08 | nsgn | Krolokas, yeah. that may not be so unacceptable |
| 22:19.29 | nsgn | does the snom stand alone in this category or are there other dect cordless phones for use in IP? |
| 22:19.59 | WIMPy | Several. |
| 22:20.24 | Krolokas | siemens n510ip dect platform would be possible - but no guarantee that it supports auto answer.. |
| 22:20.40 | WIMPy | Siemens/Gigaset, some routers like the Fritx!Box, Kirk/Polycom.... |
| 22:21.21 | WIMPy | Jepp. auto-answer is not a standard feature. |
| 22:21.28 | Krolokas | even some ata + pots dect would be ok (if dect base supports auto answer) |
| 22:21.55 | nsgn | how would a pots dect device know to auto answer a specific call? CID? |
| 22:21.58 | Krolokas | or - from different perspective - a meetme room for "group talk" (like radio) put to handsfree mode? |
| 22:22.03 | WIMPy | But you couldn't place normal calls then. |
| 22:22.06 | WIMPy | And only one call. |
| 22:22.07 | Krolokas | nsgn, SipAddHeader() |
| 22:22.21 | Krolokas | nsgn, the pots.. via cid, yes |
| 22:22.28 | Krolokas | ..hopefully.. |
| 22:22.52 | WIMPy | Does such a thing exist? |
| 22:23.35 | nsgn | here's what sucks about most of the DECT units |
| 22:23.41 | nsgn | the SNOM included |
| 22:23.45 | nsgn | which may kill my whole deal here |
| 22:23.46 | Krolokas | WIMPy, i know someone using an pots dect as "babyphone" .. but do not know which he uses. |
| 22:23.53 | nsgn | it says up to 8 phones..but only 4 calls at a time |
| 22:24.01 | Krolokas | nsgn, that's DECT .. |
| 22:24.04 | nsgn | that kindof kills the one to all thing, eh? |
| 22:24.09 | WIMPy | You need more than 4 calls? |
| 22:24.12 | Krolokas | use two base stations.. |
| 22:24.29 | WIMPy | Babyphone is an internal thing. |
| 22:24.35 | nsgn | oh. duh. so if i want 8 phones all able to intercom at once i just put in two bases, 4 phones per base |
| 22:24.47 | WIMPy | No. |
| 22:25.02 | WIMPy | If you want to pabe all 8 phones, that's still only one call. |
| 22:25.06 | WIMPy | page |
| 22:25.12 | nsgn | .. |
| 22:25.30 | nsgn | i'm pretty sure every phone receiving that audio would be counted as a "call", no? |
| 22:25.38 | nsgn | unless dect has some kind of broadcast support (doubtful) |
| 22:25.40 | WIMPy | Or if you page from another mobile, 2 calls. |
| 22:25.50 | WIMPy | no |
| 22:25.59 | WIMPy | radio is always broadcast. |
| 22:26.05 | nsgn | i'm wanting "mash a button, ALL CORDLESS PHONES auto answer and play the audio. ala walkie talkie |
| 22:26.50 | nsgn | so if there were 8 phones and one started the intercom-to-all and the other 7 had to play whatever he spoke that is 8 calls happening at once |
| 22:27.32 | WIMPy | I don't think so. |
| 22:27.49 | WIMPy | If that was the case a page all wouldn't make much sense. |
| 22:28.10 | nsgn | obviously radio is always broadcast, but that does not mean the phones communicate directly to each other. that would be like saying laptops in a wifi network communicate directly to each other. yes they technically send their signal out in all directions, but the base receives it and must retransmit it if communication is between two or more laptops |
| 22:28.44 | nsgn | WIMPy, well that is my whole fear. that page all may not work here. by page i don't mean have all phones go "beep beep", because obviously that works and obviously that doesnt require a whole audio channel to be opened. |
| 22:28.49 | WIMPy | You can definitely call more phones than you have channels. Maybe they only count as cahnels once they accept the call. |
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| 22:29.07 | nsgn | yes. but if i am auto answering on all phones....... |
| 22:29.18 | WIMPy | No, phones can definitely not talk to one another without a base. |
| 22:29.35 | nsgn | precisely. so the base has a limit if 4 calls at a time even though it can track 8 handsets |
| 22:29.51 | nsgn | if i do a page all and all 8 phones auto answer 4 are going to get it and 4 are going to fail |
| 22:30.03 | nsgn | which was why above i said if i want 8 phones to all do this at once i need two bases, 4 handsets each |
| 22:30.20 | WIMPy | I still don't think so. |
| 22:30.24 | nsgn | not because of a limit in the phones, but because the base can only handle 4 phones actively on an open audio channel at a time |
| 22:30.33 | nsgn | i know so. it says so right here in the specs |
| 22:30.46 | Krolokas | that means you have to use 2 base stations for 8 calls - or a more expensive base station that supports both more dect handsets/calls and auto answer feature.. like some bigger siemens dect multicell stations |
| 22:30.50 | WIMPy | What exactely does it say? |
| 22:31.01 | nsgn | WIMPy, 8 phones, 4 simultaneous calls |
| 22:31.28 | WIMPy | The newer hipath base station can do 8 channels per base. |
| 22:31.31 | nsgn | and since any phone auto answering beecomes a call..i can not have 8 phones auto answer at once on a base station that says 4 calls max. period. am i nuts Krolokas? |
| 22:31.55 | WIMPy | Yes, and where does it say that a page all counts as more than one call? |
| 22:32.18 | nsgn | WIMPy, it doesnt say it anywhere because it has no support for page all. i'll be doing it in asterisk just like one always does on an IP phone network |
| 22:32.32 | nsgn | which means asterisk gets the audio from phone 1 and turns around and opens 7 other channels to the 7 other phones |
| 22:32.36 | Krolokas | nsgn, as i say (perhaps you did not understand me, english not my native language) - 4 calls -> 4 phones .. even if you could register 8 phones.. in order to use 8 phones and 8 calls, you need 2 bases. |
| 22:32.57 | Krolokas | nsgn, or a more expensive base station that supports 8 calls |
| 22:33.06 | nsgn | Krolokas, yup. that made sense. wimpy was just trying to say i didnt need two bases if the bases were limited to 4 calls each and i wanted to page all 8 with open audio on auto answer |
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| 22:33.23 | WIMPy | I'm, not convinces it can't be dome with only one call. |
| 22:33.29 | Krolokas | nsgn, on asterisk side, a meetme room and some scripting should be ok. |
| 22:34.02 | nsgn | WIMPy, tell me how it would work. from asterisk how do i call 8 phones at once and not use 8 open channels of audio? |
| 22:34.13 | nsgn | keep in mind i mean them all auto answering. not just a beep or a ring |
| 22:34.15 | WIMPy | You will have a mapping in the base from sip accounts to mobiles and vice versa. |
| 22:34.32 | Krolokas | nsgn, the "dect paging feature" - 8 phones ring at once - does not support audio if i remember correctly. but via dect page, all registered phones can start ringing. |
| 22:34.37 | WIMPy | And you will definitely be able to assign multiple mobile to one account. |
| 22:35.01 | nsgn | Krolokas, exactly. dect page is great to get everyone's attention, but not to do a broadcast announcement |
| 22:35.19 | nsgn | WIMPy, now that is interesting if that is the case...but i'm not sure it is. i dont see anything like that in the manual |
| 22:35.27 | WIMPy | That's clearly dependant on the implementation. DECT doesn;t say anything about functionality. It's only the radio protocoll. |
| 22:35.47 | nsgn | and it is still yet to be seen even if you can virtually assign multiple handsets to one sip account if more than one phone can utilize that sip account at a time |
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| 22:36.34 | Krolokas | WIMPy, you can map more than one dect handset to one sip account - sure. but if one of them accepts the call (by hand or auto answer), all other associated handsets do never get audio. |
| 22:36.36 | WIMPy | A DECT base is always a PBX. So I'm pretty sure the Snom will do it like others. |
| 22:37.11 | WIMPy | Krolokas: Yes, that's why you need a real paging feature. But that does exist. |
| 22:37.40 | Krolokas | WIMPy, not in the dect implementation of standard phones like m9 or gigaset (consumer pricing) |
| 22:37.57 | WIMPy | Hagenuk did it. |
| 22:38.52 | Krolokas | WIMPy, ok, do you know a model name still in production - that would help nsgn, i think.. |
| 22:39.11 | WIMPy | Hagenuk ceased to exist many years ago :-( |
| 22:39.21 | Krolokas | WIMPy, i know.. ;) |
| 22:39.40 | WIMPy | Actually the thing I've got here might do it. But I can't check. i don;t have any compatible handsets. |
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| 22:40.04 | WIMPy | It's non GAP. Maybe because uf such a feature? |
| 22:40.09 | WIMPy | of |
| 22:40.20 | Krolokas | WIMPy, so which one do you have? -> http://www.hagenuk-germany.de/de/produkte/telefone/schnurlostelefone-dect.html |
| 22:40.45 | nsgn | dangit. the astra 142d looks like a sweet phone. it has auto-answer BUT it is for ALL calls. |
| 22:40.49 | WIMPy | EuroPhone XL |
| 22:41.50 | WIMPy | Off course the base built into a dektop phone might not be ideal to cover a larger area anyway. |
| 22:44.04 | nsgn | wonder how well these work with it... http://www.amazon.com/New-ATT-ATTCL81301-CORDLESS-PUSH-TO-TALK-HANDSETS/dp/B0057CA7W2 |
| 22:44.25 | nsgn | thats literally a cheapo dect set with "push to talk". cant find the manual for it else i'd know if they meant it or not |
| 22:46.00 | Krolokas | some ascom sip dect phones support ptt-feature.. |
| 22:46.33 | nsgn | ?! |
| 22:46.40 | WIMPy | Ascom does phones again? Or did someone buy the name? |
| 22:48.34 | Krolokas | Ascom is an old brand, yes .. and the are still producing.. i forgot who bought them, but had to deal with them a couple of years before.. |
| 22:48.49 | Krolokas | (was more radio related stuff) |
| 22:49.55 | WIMPy | Not still. I know they killed the telephone department some time after the both nice and successfull Eurit series. |
| 22:50.24 | Krolokas | there are some Mitel phones, that support push-to-talk as "group call" - but quick reading seems like internal dect base to phone calls, not to the outside .. |
| 22:51.39 | nsgn | Krolokas, yeah i've found some consumer dect sets that do PTT but it is limited to either 3 or 4 phones at a time and is of course not to outside either |
| 22:52.26 | WIMPy | Well dor the normal consumer stuff there's just no technical way to do it from the outside. |
| 22:52.45 | WIMPy | But what bases have a limit of 3 or 4 phones? |
| 22:52.47 | Krolokas | WIMPy, so their whole telecom stuff website is fake? (ascom.ch) ;) |
| 22:53.51 | nsgn | ascom d62 claims to have the feature but their website seems so uninformative... |
| 22:53.58 | nsgn | i can't find where to buy the thing either |
| 22:54.11 | WIMPy | It's probably just not the same compay any more. |
| 22:54.25 | nsgn | they seem to want to just sell to huge hospitals and stuff |
| 22:55.29 | Krolokas | nsgn, i had good experiences with them at the phone.. |
| 22:55.50 | nsgn | Krolokas, hmm. figure its stupidly expensive? being that it looks highly specialized i'm afraid so |
| 22:56.08 | WIMPy | And I can't find no desktop phones there. |
| 22:56.09 | Krolokas | nsgn, it's not as expensive as TETRA ;) |
| 22:56.17 | nsgn | ha |
| 22:56.42 | Krolokas | desktop phones are not the problem .. the problem is portable phones with ptt-feature .. |
| 22:56.51 | nsgn | exactly |
| 22:56.58 | nsgn | i can do this on desktops all day |
| 22:57.00 | nsgn | and already do in clients |
| 22:57.22 | nsgn | but these guys are out in a field of plants helping customers buy flowers and trees and stuff. they just cant be near desk phones |
| 22:58.21 | WIMPy | I was just making the point that at least the desktop phone department does indeed not seem to exist any more. |
| 22:58.31 | Krolokas | WIMPy, hey, look what i found: " Aastra DT390 (baugleich Ascom d41) " |
| 22:59.11 | nsgn | ? |
| 23:00.17 | Krolokas | nsgn, ok, so again, what is the problem with 2 base stations in order to get 8 phones up and running? |
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| 23:04.21 | nsgn | Krolokas, no problem, really. that is one solution. i was just now hunting for one even more elegant |
| 23:04.34 | nsgn | i am also concerned by finding in their documentation that the auto answer works as i expect. |
| 23:05.04 | nsgn | yes it has auto answer, but does it auto answer a specific CID or context? some DECT/ip phones i am finding only auto answer ALL or NONE |
| 23:05.38 | Krolokas | nsgn, i have a spare set of m9 at the office, but won't be there before thursday. |
| 23:05.51 | Krolokas | nsgn, if i had it here, the test would already be done ;) |
| 23:06.01 | nsgn | and a text from my wife she dropped and broke her iphone. for the second time this year. i think i'll just get her an old school walkie talkie and call it a day |
| 23:06.52 | nsgn | Krolokas, seriously? you do? man i'd be super interested in having you test that for me. i'd even paypal you $5 for a cup of coffee or something if you would confirm it works elegantly enough for what i describe |
| 23:08.07 | Krolokas | nsgn, if you can wait until thursday, no problem.. no need for paypal, i'm now interested myself if it would be possible ;) |
| 23:08.31 | nsgn | Krolokas, can wait till thursday. client doesn't need proposal until the following week |
| 23:08.41 | Krolokas | nsgn, i had some serious issues with m9 firmware and functions, but that was not on the list ;) |
| 23:08.53 | nsgn | are you in here a lot or do we need to exchange email/skype or something |
| 23:08.54 | nsgn | oh? |
| 23:09.22 | Krolokas | nsgn, such as different ring tones for "internal" and "external" calls (not dect internal, but "company internal") |
| 23:09.43 | nsgn | ah |
| 23:09.48 | nsgn | that's not a huge deal for me |
| 23:11.05 | Krolokas | nsgn, well, the customer needed it (he thought he needed it) - so we switched from m9 to gigaset and "vip entry" workaround |
| 23:11.16 | WIMPy | I will certainly investigate in to that feature. But I don't know, when. |
| 23:11.45 | WIMPy | Doesn't the M9 do alert-info? |
| 23:11.50 | Krolokas | WIMPy, nope |
| 23:12.19 | Krolokas | WIMPy, snom firmware from desk phones and dect phones are very different.. |
| 23:12.28 | WIMPy | Less nice. |
| 23:12.40 | WIMPy | Yes, I heard about that. |
| 23:12.45 | WIMPy | Hence my initial comment. |
| 23:13.24 | nsgn | hmm. without alert-info this could be less likely to work :/ |
| 23:13.31 | Krolokas | WIMPy, and support is ... well.. "Alert-Info" is requested by many in snom forum, but tech support says "DECT does not allow that" .. |
| 23:13.51 | nsgn | it doesnt have to be allowed in dect. they could process it in the base and pass it on |
| 23:13.56 | nsgn | i feel like that is an excuse |
| 23:14.02 | Krolokas | nsgn, i was refering to the "distinctive ringtone" part ... |
| 23:14.10 | nsgn | ah. well that too maybe |
| 23:14.11 | WIMPy | DECT has nothing to do with that. |
| 23:14.20 | Krolokas | nsgn, oh you are not the only one ;) |
| 23:15.09 | WIMPy | If you can have different ringtones to internal and external, it must be possible base on other factors. |
| 23:15.15 | Krolokas | WIMPy, that's what we know, but not "tech support" ;) but ok, perhaps their dect phone firmware is .. not .. ... you know.. |
| 23:16.13 | nsgn | sometimes i wish i was a team leader for some project like that |
| 23:16.22 | Krolokas | WIMPy, even gap would suffice - send the data via a gap phone book entry before the call ... or prefix the callerid with a number, and substract it on the handset - no need for changing dect radio firmware or protocol ^^ |
| 23:16.39 | WIMPy | nsgn: Think what you wish for... |
| 23:16.43 | Krolokas | WIMPy, they simply do not want to do it.. |
| 23:16.43 | nsgn | i feel like it would be so easy to make the product something the community embraced and loved simply by LISTENING to feedback and adding features like that which really arent too unreasonable |
| 23:17.03 | nsgn | i feel so many companies say NO to reasonable requests from their customers that would overall make their product more competitive anyway |
| 23:17.21 | WIMPy | Or their suppliers are unable to do it. |
| 23:17.29 | nsgn | well if its in software i mean |
| 23:17.34 | nsgn | then its nobody but them |
| 23:18.01 | nsgn | i know as an IT integrator i certainly choose products based upon the accessability and historical responsiveness to requests from my team |
| 23:18.04 | WIMPy | Trouble is that they all just buy their software from ... whereever. |
| 23:18.20 | nsgn | ah, yeah. well cant help them there |
| 23:18.43 | nsgn | a lot of companies DO develop in house. i just dont know what the heck they're thinking having the resources to do so and then not giving the product its full potential |
| 23:19.13 | nsgn | hardware is necessary and must be good and reliable and pleasing, but software makes or breaks most products |
| 23:19.19 | WIMPy | Because they have to complete the next product. |
| 23:19.35 | nsgn | maybe they wouldnt need to increment their product so quickly if they made fewer of them higher quality |
| 23:19.42 | nsgn | there are some companies out there who are like that |
| 23:19.49 | Krolokas | WIMPy, but if you compare the m3 to the m9 --- the m3 had the feature "distinctive ring tone" ... |
| 23:19.57 | WIMPy | That's the part I really like about the Snom desktop phones. You get regulat updates, even for phones no longer sold. |
| 23:20.16 | nsgn | ELK products makes an automation panel for homes/small businesses called the M1 Gold. They've made it for YEARS. Same hardware. But they actively update the software to do more and better things and to work with more stuff. And when you call them you can talk to the same developer guy all the time |
| 23:20.31 | WIMPy | Yes, and how are they supposed to sell new products if the old ones will do what the customers want? |
| 23:20.37 | nsgn | as a result they dont have to re-make their hardware all the time, yet their product is still cutting edge in their industry |
| 23:21.01 | nsgn | WIMPy, well yeah. that is an issue i guess. depends on your strategy. is it to sell one thing to millions, or many things to thousands |
| 23:21.03 | Krolokas | WIMPy, no longer sell the old one :/ |
| 23:21.30 | nsgn | doesn't mean you have to never made a new product..but maybe every 3 or 4 years instead of 1 or 2 |
| 23:21.43 | WIMPy | Doesn't help if people already own the old version and you decide to make it work for them. |
| 23:22.06 | nsgn | guess so. i'd say make it work for them so well others simply must switch to it |
| 23:22.14 | Krolokas | WIMPy, well, i tried to get some m3 for the customer mentioned above .. now he has some gigasets .. |
| 23:22.40 | nsgn | so that instead of continually screwing your existing customers you have a very happy cusotmer base that grows outward, not just churns on top of itself |
| 23:23.06 | nsgn | a simplistic view, but the fact that so many companies do the opposite in my opinion is why we have so many crappy products turned out |
| 23:23.27 | WIMPy | Definitely. |
| 23:23.40 | WIMPy | But you make more money with crappy products. |
| 23:25.23 | nsgn | depressing |
| 23:25.37 | nsgn | i think that's why i enjoy working in small IT and custom applications |
| 23:25.38 | WIMPy | And I actually learned why bad products sell better by using Asterisk and reading this channel. |
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| 23:25.51 | nsgn | i get to continuously improve a customer's setup over time, customizing it to their needs |
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| 23:38.21 | student221 | How can I set the start time of an audio file playback? |
| 23:39.42 | nsgn | clip your audio file? |
| 23:39.54 | nsgn | not the answer you're looking for, but context may help us answer |
| 23:41.19 | student221 | I need to play a file from the middle |
| 23:41.39 | WIMPy | That's simple. |
| 23:41.45 | student221 | yes.. |
| 23:41.45 | WIMPy | You can't. |
| 23:42.04 | nsgn | context would mean like..where and roughly why so we might have an inventive solution for you |
| 23:42.14 | student221 | why do you think so? |
| 23:42.35 | nsgn | but my gut is that there may not particularly be a way to do that in a simple dialplan |
| 23:42.35 | student221 | there must be linux command for this |
| 23:43.03 | nsgn | student221, you've got to give us more info here. do you mean play back for yourself on your linux laptop or to a caller in asterisk or from the freepbx web interface or what? |
| 23:43.13 | nsgn | of course you can play a file from the middle in some way on a computer somewhere, but how do you need it done? |
| 23:44.55 | student221 | I have an audio file of 60 seconds, so I want to play it from 00:40-00:60 |
| 23:45.19 | WIMPy | Where? |
| 23:45.21 | nsgn | ok. open it in VLC, scrub the playhead to :40, press play. |
| 23:45.35 | student221 | long time ago I heard about such a linux command, just forgot the name |
| 23:45.55 | nsgn | what player are you using? you're giving us noooothing here dude |
| 23:45.58 | WIMPy | sox, mplayer and a few others. |
| 23:46.05 | student221 | in Asterisk of course, using System() |
| 23:46.48 | student221 | it's not about a player, it must be from dialplan |
| 23:46.52 | nsgn | can you give us an example of the command you're using right now? using system() still opens the question of which player you're using |
| 23:47.19 | student221 | I have several installed |
| 23:47.19 | WIMPy | And System doesn't play to Asterisk channels. |
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| 23:47.22 | student221 | sox |
| 23:47.26 | student221 | mpg123 |
| 23:47.31 | WIMPy | Theis topic is getting mysterious. |
| 23:47.51 | [TK]D-Fender | man sox |
| 23:47.53 | [TK]D-Fender | man mpg123 |
| 23:47.57 | [TK]D-Fender | man vlc |
| 23:48.01 | nsgn | ^ that |
| 23:48.07 | [TK]D-Fender | They all have their own options to chop a file up |
| 23:48.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Audacity can be invoked from CLI as well |
| 23:48.42 | student221 | i don't have enough memory for audacity |
| 23:48.46 | [TK]D-Fender | You already have the names. Go read their instructions yourself. None of these are "asterisk doing the job" |
| 23:48.50 | nsgn | you've got choices here, which is why i was asking you to either provide us with what you've tried so far or something |
| 23:48.58 | student221 | and of course i searched 'man' option before asking here |
| 23:49.17 | [TK]D-Fender | There is no part of asterisk to let you start at some specific point like thatAsterisk |
| 23:49.31 | [TK]D-Fender | -asterisk |
| 23:49.46 | student221 | it shouldn't be a part of Asterisk |
| 23:49.52 | [TK]D-Fender | It isn't |
| 23:50.01 | nsgn | student221, you didn't check man for sox, because i just did and it's right there in it |
| 23:50.17 | student221 | i'm just asking if anyone knows a linux cli program which can do this job |
| 23:50.18 | nsgn | and the others have simple ways to do it too |
| 23:50.24 | [TK]D-Fender | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1719664 |
| 23:50.29 | [TK]D-Fender | 5 seconds of google |
| 23:50.35 | WIMPy | How many more do you want? |
| 23:50.40 | [TK]D-Fender | http://old.nabble.com/cutting-audio-files-td31644938.html |
| 23:50.42 | [TK]D-Fender | 6 |
| 23:50.55 | [TK]D-Fender | I could waste a whole minute, but seriously... why bother? |
| 23:51.14 | [TK]D-Fender | "sox chop a wav" <- |
| 23:51.28 | student221 | thanks. reading.. |
| 23:51.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Google : It ain't Raw-Cat Sigh Hence |
| 23:52.10 | nsgn | i wouldnt have minded giving him that answer right off the bat but for all i knew he was trying to play it on his ipod or something |
| 23:52.11 | WIMPy | Tell that the part time scientists. |
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