| 00:00.01 | spck | i guess that is the upside over there cheaper, but more nickle and dime i guess. personally i rue my cellphone |
| 00:01.08 | haryv | thats crazy |
| 00:01.33 | kerx | spck, i've been monitoring a few of the channels that complete. for some reason the UniqueID i receive from "show channel {channelName}" doesn't match what's in /var/spool/asterisk/monitor/ |
| 00:02.05 | kerx | Basically, I can't find a recording w/ the uniqueid in the filename |
| 00:02.05 | IBC_jkenney | Has anyone heard of a SPA962 sip flooding an asterisk box |
| 00:02.05 | IBC_jkenney | is that even possible |
| 00:02.06 | IBC_jkenney | ? |
| 00:02.08 | spck | because that's the channel name |
| 00:02.20 | spck | channel name != unique id |
| 00:02.50 | spck | try ${UNIQUEID} |
| 00:03.29 | kerx | spck, so I must use AMI and Getvar then ? |
| 00:03.41 | kerx | Because I'm getting a UniqueID like visionstar-1259624366.1429483 |
| 00:03.43 | IBC_jkenney | can you see me? |
| 00:03.47 | kerx | Are you sure that is a channel name? |
| 00:03.48 | IBC_jkenney | :) |
| 00:04.06 | ecrane | being charged more on your usage vs. a high monthly fee for minutes you might not use seems more 'proper' to me. It's easier for the consumer to understand how their usage (or non-usage) will directly impact their bill. Easier for carriers to plan revenue anticipation when it is more directly related to their capacity. Also when the consumer has the ability to easily/freely move from one carrier to another, then the carriers can compete i |
| 00:04.06 | ecrane | n terms of quality of service instead of rip offs like high 'activation' or 'sim card' fees and handset monopolies. I heard the EU even convinced the handset manufacturers to standardize on a cellphone charger jack and voltage. |
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| 00:04.54 | spck | i like that more personally, i have a at&t go phone sim in my G1 |
| 00:05.13 | spck | i think i pay 0.25$ a minute for cell service i never use |
| 00:08.16 | haryv | guess this recession has hit the rv market hard. Found a wifi rc/tx unit 5 times stronger then anything on market and mounts on rv. seems company went under. |
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| 00:09.57 | IBC_jkenney | hello? |
| 00:10.52 | spck | kerx: are you using agi? |
| 00:11.04 | spck | like i said what are you trying to do because i've probably already done it |
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| 00:11.29 | IBC_jkenney | can anyone see me? |
| 00:11.43 | spck | well philosophically... |
| 00:11.52 | dlynes | IBC_jkenney: no...you're invisible...please remove your cloak of invisibility |
| 00:12.05 | IBC_jkenney | funny |
| 00:12.40 | dlynes | IBC_jkenney: somebody had to be...you sounded like you weren't sure if you existed |
| 00:13.14 | spck | i get a call from a user the other day saying their computer was talking to them |
| 00:13.18 | IBC_jkenney | I have a question has anyone heard of a sip phone going off the rocker and causing asterisk to crash because it is flooding the server with sip messages |
| 00:13.51 | spck | not i |
| 00:13.54 | dlynes | IBC_jkenney: korcan! You're back! |
| 00:14.06 | IBC_jkenney | I am not korcan |
| 00:14.08 | IBC_jkenney | :) |
| 00:14.10 | dlynes | oh |
| 00:14.30 | spck | the user was like "it keeps repeating everything i'm doing", so i ask them if anyone else can hear the voice? |
| 00:14.36 | dlynes | and here i thought you recovered from your sip option spam... :) |
| 00:14.39 | p3nguin | Seems like korcan to me, too. |
| 00:14.50 | IBC_jkenney | heh |
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| 00:15.03 | dlynes | IBC_jkenney: quick cure |
| 00:15.03 | IBC_jkenney | its not |
| 00:15.18 | dlynes | IBC_jkenney: pull that smith and wesson out of the drawer, aim it at the phone....pull the trigger |
| 00:15.19 | spck | needless to say i wish apple hadn't put text to speech on a short cut |
| 00:15.19 | IBC_jkenney | I have already recovered from the problem |
| 00:15.43 | IBC_jkenney | I need clarification of what happened to get me out of the hot seat |
| 00:16.02 | p3nguin | You're both connecting from the same IP address, so I'm sure the problem is the same one. |
| 00:16.14 | spck | and he came to irc... |
| 00:16.22 | spck | LOL |
| 00:16.37 | spck | just c&p the chat log to your boss |
| 00:16.42 | kerx | spck, no, just CLI |
| 00:16.57 | IBC_jkenney | thanks |
| 00:17.28 | dlynes | IBC_jkenney: korcan had some stupid phone spamming the server, and then instituted an iptables rule to block it that apparently didn't work either |
| 00:17.35 | spck | kerx: are you trying to get the recorded call to call your extension and play it? |
| 00:17.57 | kerx | spck, I'm trying to figure out the Call Recording Name while the Agent is on the call. |
| 00:18.02 | dlynes | IBC_jkenney: I suggested he just shut the phone off, and be done with the problem, but after 20 messages to him from various people, we just gave up on him...never responded |
| 00:18.11 | kerx | I have a custom made Order Entry software, and I'd like to attach to each sale the Unique ID name of the Monitor'ed Channel |
| 00:18.18 | kerx | For Quality Assurance purposes |
| 00:18.31 | spck | ya i basically did the same thing |
| 00:18.40 | spck | but i used asterisk-java as the interface |
| 00:18.46 | haryv | http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/11dbomni.php serios wifi omnipole. Put that on my suv :) |
| 00:19.18 | spck | how do you get the id into the order entry software? |
| 00:19.45 | spck | haryv: how would you deal with constantly picking up and dropping networks? |
| 00:20.08 | haryv | I would be stationary and never stay more then three hours. |
| 00:20.26 | haryv | Would have to get a map of known local wifi networks that are open. |
| 00:20.34 | spck | i thought you meant for driving around in |
| 00:20.48 | haryv | no, If im at a site, car would not move. |
| 00:20.49 | spck | there's a map for that |
| 00:20.50 | spck | lol |
| 00:20.59 | haryv | for vancouver bc |
| 00:21.10 | kerx | spck, I run a perl script through AMI, then using JavaScript I set a hidden field that get's put into the database once the sale is made |
| 00:21.13 | haryv | another idea, is a 2 or three element yagi. |
| 00:21.14 | spck | ya there's a service that went around and mapped all the wifi spots |
| 00:21.49 | spck | so you're not using agi to access the perl script? |
| 00:21.57 | haryv | does not nessesary need to be a service. Just some one who volinteered or did alot of driving and the gps would plot the wifi unit as it passed it. |
| 00:22.17 | spck | i think it's free |
| 00:22.26 | haryv | I am in canada |
| 00:22.28 | spck | google uses it to triangulate their fake gps |
| 00:22.30 | haryv | not the us |
| 00:22.32 | kerx | spck, no, Once a Button is clicked on the OE software, it runs the AMI code and receives data back using AJAX |
| 00:23.06 | haryv | Fastest way to pickup wifi and map it is by small plane ;) |
| 00:23.11 | kerx | brb |
| 00:23.18 | haryv | but that has its own issues. |
| 00:23.22 | spck | cause using the Queue() application you can have it call a macro when it gives the call to the agent |
| 00:23.37 | spck | haryv: rc plane? |
| 00:23.39 | spck | hehe |
| 00:23.39 | haryv | going to call it a day. |
| 00:23.46 | haryv | piper |
| 00:23.56 | spck | night |
| 00:26.57 | hardwire | this bug won't leave me alone |
| 00:27.01 | hardwire | http://hardwire.pastey.net/129639 |
| 00:27.15 | hardwire | I have a core now.. which is helpful. |
| 00:27.18 | hardwire | sorta |
| 00:27.21 | hardwire | if I knew what to do with it :) |
| 00:27.28 | hardwire | I don't have thread debugging in my binary. |
| 00:27.53 | spck | is it actually not working? |
| 00:27.55 | hardwire | anyawys.. that last line is Asterisk restarting on it's own. |
| 00:28.03 | spck | or just giving your those messages? |
| 00:28.23 | hardwire | it gives me around 10k of those messages.. spikes the CPU load.. then poops out and safe_asterisk restarts it. |
| 00:28.25 | spck | ouch that's harsh |
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| 00:28.42 | hardwire | yar |
| 00:28.53 | spck | live enviroment? |
| 00:28.56 | hardwire | yup |
| 00:29.00 | hardwire | call center recording system |
| 00:29.06 | hardwire | they don't like it when it crashes |
| 00:29.29 | spck | ya that weight on your shoulders isn't much fun i'm learning |
| 00:29.34 | hardwire | I think it has something to do with a silence I'm sending after a Dial(..,g) |
| 00:29.46 | spck | have you searched the issues for it? |
| 00:29.52 | hardwire | for about half a year, yes. |
| 00:30.00 | hardwire | I'm finally getting to a point where I'm narrowing it down. |
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| 00:30.34 | spck | i hope you've reported it then? |
| 00:30.48 | hardwire | I wasn't up to spec enough to report it |
| 00:30.50 | hardwire | but I am now. |
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| 00:31.53 | spck | well please do, it's better for all of us in the long run, i've never seen that before though |
| 00:32.28 | spck | i get my d-channel popping up and down occasionally but that seems to be a timing issue |
| 00:32.38 | hardwire | squirrels.. I bet. |
| 00:33.04 | spck | i have to say at&t has reinforced some bad trouble shooting happens upon us |
| 00:33.28 | spck | almost every outage has occurred with one of their vans parked outside on the street somewhere |
| 00:33.45 | spck | so now first thing we do is go outside and look for an AT&T van |
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| 00:34.39 | joako | Anyone is familiar with Polycom phones? I Have them setup hardcoded with a config server, but after I setup PXE boot (sending dhcp-boot option) on the LAN I noticed my ringtones are not loaded and then noticed that the phone is trying to get the files from the pxe boot server |
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| 00:37.22 | hardwire | hmm.. apparently one of the phones sent a wink/flash |
| 00:37.30 | hardwire | but I shouldn't be supporting flash on those lines |
| 00:37.34 | hardwire | I really hate working outside of PRI |
| 00:38.23 | spck | are you dealing with a legacy system? |
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| 00:39.48 | p3nguin | joako: Maybe you can check out dhcp options 66 and 150. |
| 00:41.29 | hardwire | spck: crappy channel banks |
| 00:41.35 | hardwire | crappy automated dialing on some of the agents stations |
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| 00:41.47 | hardwire | and crappy handling of events in dahdi |
| 00:42.04 | hardwire | If I can duplicate the bug I'll be submitting a howto to digium :) |
| 00:42.48 | spck | i suppose there's some reason they haven't all switched to asterisk then? |
| 00:43.25 | ChannelZ | General crappiness |
| 00:44.01 | spck | i still can't believe they let me spend like $15k at work on hardware |
| 00:44.06 | spck | for ours |
| 00:44.32 | joako | p3nguin: Well it has to be one of those to use PXE booting, no? I was thinking someone might know an option for the polycom phones so it would ignore that in the DHCP response. |
| 00:44.37 | spck | before that we had this thing by nitsuko, nightmare |
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| 00:45.28 | p3nguin | joako: I believe that 66 and 150 provide tftpd info to the client. |
| 00:45.46 | spck | i think he's saying it's not working |
| 00:45.47 | ecrane | joako: Sorry, not familiar with polycom phones. You might have to configure your PXE server to refrain from sending the boot stuff to the polycom phones. Should be able to find the pattern via phone mac address vendor id portion. |
| 00:45.58 | spck | it's still looking at the dhcp server for the files |
| 00:46.40 | spck | joako: did you ever at one time have it set to get the files from the PXE server? like maybe the setting hasn't been flushed? |
| 00:46.47 | p3nguin | If 66 and/or 150 are not configured at all, I can see why it's looking on the dhcp server for files. |
| 00:47.21 | spck | joako: can you pastebin your phone.cfg ? |
| 00:51.09 | jaytee | joako, try using the setup on the phone from the Menu button and under the DHCP menu options make sure it says STATIC instead of Option 66 or Custom or Custom+Option66 |
| 00:51.41 | jaytee | that's for the Boot Server setting under DHCP menu |
| 00:52.24 | ChannelZ | Damnation. I start a backup and then 2 minutes after I leave the office the LTO is full and needs a new tape. |
| 00:56.09 | spck | night guys |
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| 01:32.58 | johnakabean | ExecIf($["${DAYS}" = "0"]?Playback(custom/today)) |
| 01:33.17 | johnakabean | what's wrong with that format? that's how the gotoif application is formatted? |
| 01:35.27 | p3nguin | Are you using GotoIf? |
| 01:35.41 | johnakabean | no, but i'm using its syntax to do execif |
| 01:36.47 | p3nguin | Is that what "core show application ExecIf" said to do? |
| 01:38.48 | johnakabean | its the same but slightly different, instead of doing the application(data) you do ",application,data) |
| 01:39.06 | johnakabean | only place I messed up but the comparison operand is the exact same |
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| 01:45.22 | p3nguin | So it works now? |
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| 02:02.08 | Carlos_Tico | hello |
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| 02:11.00 | drfreeze | Hello |
| 02:11.29 | drfreeze | Is there a way to test auto pickup on a polycom phone remotely (ie, without access to the phone) |
| 02:12.26 | Carlos_Tico | hi |
| 02:12.33 | Carlos_Tico | no idea |
| 02:12.36 | Carlos_Tico | about it |
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| 02:49.23 | joako | drfreeze: Call it and the asterisk cli will tell you if it is answered |
| 02:50.13 | joako | Reboot the phone with "sip notify polycom-check-cfg <name of sip peer" if it hasn't been since the config was updated |
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| 04:20.35 | dlynes | hrm |
| 04:25.32 | dlynes | Is there a way to tell asterisk to switch to using a specific codec, in mid-conversation? |
| 04:26.00 | dlynes | I want it to reinvite ulaw if a call comes in on a certain number |
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| 04:32.30 | voipmonk | dlynes: codec negotiation happens before u hear audio, sorry |
| 04:33.10 | voipmonk | dlynes: you could set the codec for that number and use a diff sip account that only uses that codec tho |
| 04:33.17 | voipmonk | well let me back up |
| 04:33.31 | voipmonk | the sip account u use for that number can be set to use the codec u want |
| 04:35.09 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes: * can transcode if you choose a peer with different codec specs, but thats about it. |
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| 08:10.46 | fcois93 | which RFC show the "CALLERID NAME" ? |
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| 08:35.38 | ThoMe | hiho |
| 08:35.54 | ThoMe | is it posible work with a loop ( for / foeach) |
| 08:35.58 | ThoMe | in a macro? |
| 08:36.18 | ThoMe | examole &bla(1,2,3,4,5) and bla { for argv ... bla?} |
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| 08:36.50 | elliot98 | has there been any development with a digium fax driver for a 64 bit system? |
| 08:41.35 | fcois93 | which RFC show the "CALLERID NAME" ? |
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| 08:51.12 | angryuser | elliot98, you can make 32 bit working on 64 bit platform |
| 08:51.34 | angryuser | elliot98, but there is no binery for 64 for a moment |
| 08:51.40 | angryuser | binary* |
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| 08:58.43 | elliot98 | is there any development with a 64-bit driver? |
| 08:58.57 | elliot98 | any sort of timeline/idea when one will be available/ |
| 08:58.58 | elliot98 | ? |
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| 10:03.33 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here knows if amooma.de is dead? the site seems not to be reachable, the phone number is not connected. |
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| 10:27.36 | hluesea | hello, do I need register command for interconnection sip server as a peer ? |
| 10:32.44 | maxagaz | hi, how to execute "sip reload" without having to open asterisk console ? |
| 10:33.50 | kaldemar | maxagaz: asterisk -rx "sip reload" |
| 10:33.51 | sun28 | maxagaz: AMI |
| 10:34.16 | kaldemar | hluesea: only if other end requires it |
| 10:34.26 | sun28 | asterisk -C "whereis your asterisk config" -rx 'sip reload' |
| 10:35.05 | kaldemar | you don't need -C for that |
| 10:39.38 | tzafrir | You only need the -C if you need to set the path of astvarrundir |
| 10:40.42 | tzafrir | and if "whereis your asterisk config" is not /etc/asterisk/asterisk.conf or whatever the hardcoded default is |
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| 10:44.05 | maxagaz | kaldemar, thanks :) |
| 10:45.25 | Omorika | guys |
| 10:45.26 | Omorika | help |
| 10:47.11 | Omorika | this is what happens |
| 10:47.50 | Omorika | one call comes in over SIP |
| 10:47.50 | Omorika | which is bridged with outbound DAHDI call |
| 10:47.58 | Omorika | and after around 890 seconds |
| 10:48.05 | Omorika | SIP gets hungup with |
| 10:48.18 | Omorika | "Bearer capability not available" |
| 10:51.13 | fcois93 | How to have a dial timeout < 1 ? |
| 10:51.33 | fcois93 | I want to send the invite and juste after hangup is it possible? |
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| 11:16.27 | kaldemar | fcois93: core show application dial |
| 11:18.24 | fcois93 | kaldemar: I want to send the invite and cancel 100ms after I don't want to wait the ringing (thats what the timeout do) |
| 11:18.33 | fcois93 | kaldemar: I dont Dial application |
| 11:21.48 | Chainsaw | leifmadsen: Ping wrt https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=14163 |
| 11:22.07 | Chainsaw | leifmadsen: Is there anything I can do to speed up adoption for the 1.6 branch? 1.4 is out of my area of interest. |
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| 11:31.05 | kaldemar | fcois93: did you try option L() already? |
| 11:33.12 | fcois93 | L() work after answer |
| 11:33.14 | fcois93 | kaldemar: L() work after answer |
| 11:33.32 | fcois93 | kaldemar: I want before ringing |
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| 11:39.03 | tzafrir | Omorika, "bearer capability" is roughly the same as "codec" for chan_sip |
| 11:41.57 | kaldemar | fcois93: maybe you should write a script to do it |
| 11:42.28 | fcois93 | kaldemar: I don't how to. I think asterisk cant |
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| 11:57.51 | Fairmont | good afternoon, just wondering whether someone can help me with an asterisk pbx issue? |
| 12:00.06 | Fairmont | ? |
| 12:03.27 | Fairmont | anyone here at all ? i dont mean to be rude just require some help? |
| 12:03.29 | Chainsaw | Fairmont: Until you tell us more about it, there's not much we can do. |
| 12:03.34 | Fairmont | ok no probs sorry |
| 12:07.22 | Fairmont | rtp.c:783 process_rfc3389: Comfort noise support incomplete in Asterisk (RFC 3389). Please turn off on client if possible. |
| 12:07.42 | Fairmont | when i put the caller on hold the musiconhold audio is choppy and cuts in and out |
| 12:07.58 | Chainsaw | Okay. Did you turn off comfort noise generation on the client? |
| 12:08.38 | Fairmont | you mean advising the voip provider to turn it off on their end ? |
| 12:09.30 | Chainsaw | Yes. Whatever is talking to you is trying to use comfort noise generation. Asterisk does not like it. |
| 12:10.24 | Fairmont | thats true chainsaw it doesnt, my voip provider has issues doing that as it wants to save bandwidth through their voip network. :( |
| 12:10.57 | Chainsaw | Then it looks like you may have to switch away from this VoIP provider. |
| 12:10.58 | Fairmont | i have done a few things with ASTARGS and also internal_timing=yes - still no fix |
| 12:11.10 | Fairmont | Chainsaw maybe so |
| 12:11.42 | Fairmont | just wanted to ask the #asterisk channels opinion and help on this firs to see if there is an outcome but thankyou anyway chainsaw |
| 12:11.47 | Fairmont | appreciate your help |
| 12:12.00 | Chainsaw | Fairmont: It's an honest error message. "This doesn't work right yet, please don't try to use it" |
| 12:12.58 | Fairmont | i wont use it no probs, will there be a asterisk version that will eliminate noise support in the future chainsaw? |
| 12:13.14 | Chainsaw | Fairmont: It's likely to get implemented eventually, yes. |
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| 12:14.01 | Fairmont | Chainsaw excellent! thankyou for your help and will be looking forward to it, how do i get notified when it comes out ? |
| 12:14.30 | Chainsaw | Fairmont: I'd check the asterisk.org website from time to time. |
| 12:14.38 | Chainsaw | Fairmont: Newly available features will always be mentioned. |
| 12:15.05 | Fairmont | no problem! will look out for it then have a good day and night and thanks again |
| 12:15.20 | Chainsaw | waves |
| 12:15.29 | Fairmont | seeya champ |
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| 12:52.24 | D-jackal | sup |
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| 12:58.21 | heedly | asterisk isn't binding to 5060 for sip registeration. |
| 12:58.34 | heedly | everything seems OK in sip.conf |
| 12:58.48 | heedly | any suggestions on how to debug? |
| 12:59.01 | heedly | netstat returns nothing on port 5060 |
| 12:59.23 | heedly | and lsof returnz no inet fds |
| 12:59.27 | heedly | *returns |
| 12:59.36 | Tim_Toady | module load chan_sip.so |
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| 13:01.39 | heedly | I got Unable to load config sip.conf |
| 13:01.46 | heedly | my /etc/asterisk is a link |
| 13:01.58 | heedly | making it a directory again, made it work. |
| 13:02.01 | Tim_Toady | check file permissions |
| 13:02.25 | heedly | oh, that could be it too. |
| 13:02.41 | heedly | does it have to be certain restrictions? |
| 13:03.44 | Tim_Toady | the directory must be accesible and the files readable by the user that runs asterisk process |
| 13:04.34 | heedly | I run it as root though, so that wouldn't make much since if it was unreadable |
| 13:04.50 | heedly | thanks though. |
| 13:05.52 | manxpower | ~answers |
| 13:05.53 | infobot | i heard answers is Asterisk Book: http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org & SIP w/ NAT: http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 & Wiki: http://www.voip-info.org & docs: /path/to/src/asterisk/doc & 1.4 .vs. 1.6.0 .vs. 1.6.1: : /path/to/src/asterisk/UPGRADE*.txt |
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| 13:28.33 | CRCinAU_ | wonders if anyone can see a fault in this REGISTER packet: http://crc.pastebin.com/m787fce5d |
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| 13:51.28 | beek | Morning jaytee |
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| 13:54.58 | leifmadsen | Chainsaw: nothing to be done other than get additional testing, but it looks to be waiting for review, which means when it bubbles to the top of the priority list, it'll get dealt with |
| 13:55.37 | Chainsaw | leifmadsen: Which hasn't happened since January. Okay, thanks. |
| 13:56.05 | leifmadsen | not much further I can do on the matter |
| 13:57.05 | Chainsaw | leifmadsen: I take it you have no devs in the UK. |
| 13:57.13 | leifmadsen | not that I'm aware of |
| 13:57.28 | Chainsaw | leifmadsen: That figures. They'd have gotten annoyed by now that their analog line goes down overnight. Every *single* day. |
| 13:57.37 | leifmadsen | ok |
| 13:58.14 | CRCinAU_ | Chainsaw: at least it wasn't closed off as 'unable to replicate' ;) |
| 13:59.03 | Chainsaw | CRCinAU_: At least then I could say "you're wrong" |
| 13:59.20 | CRCinAU_ | hehe :) |
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| 14:01.48 | CRCinAU_ | I should write some kinda bug about the asterisk 1.6 docs packages only including 4 man pages and no other docs. |
| 14:02.08 | CRCinAU_ | and another one about the 1.4 package being out of date. |
| 14:02.17 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: the stuff in doc/ is not "docs" |
| 14:03.05 | CRCinAU_ | from here: http://packages.asterisk.org/centos/5/current/i386/RPMS/ |
| 14:03.27 | Chainsaw | CRCinAU_: You now have "core show". |
| 14:03.37 | Chainsaw | CRCinAU_: Which documents applications, functions, anything you can think of. |
| 14:03.38 | CRCinAU_ | asterisk16-doc-1.6.0.17-1_centos5.i386.rpm |
| 14:04.49 | WinZ | guys, I'm sending a fax with Digium's Free Fax For Asterisk, and getting this error: [Dec 1 15:30:44] WARNING[28037] res_fax.c: SendFAX does not support polling |
| 14:05.19 | WinZ | any ideas where I can fix this? |
| 14:05.40 | CRCinAU_ | agi calls? |
| 14:06.04 | CRCinAU_ | one would assume a -doc package includes stuff from the doc/ directory in something like /usr/share/doc/asterisk16-blah/ |
| 14:06.30 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: I doubt here is a forum for complaining about packages. |
| 14:06.54 | CRCinAU_ | file a bug on that too? ;) |
| 14:07.17 | ManxPower-work | File a bug where? The packages are not official digium packages AFIK. |
| 14:07.28 | CRCinAU_ | it's on asterisk.org? :\ |
| 14:07.32 | CRCinAU_ | linked to on the downloads page |
| 14:07.54 | CRCinAU_ | they even tell you how to configure yum for their repo here: http://www.asterisk.org/downloads/yum |
| 14:08.01 | ManxPower-work | I do not see it on downloads.digium.com (the official Digium site) |
| 14:08.04 | CRCinAU_ | so it looks pretty official to me? :\ |
| 14:08.31 | CRCinAU_ | and from the page: "At this point your system has been updated to use the Asterisk and Digium repositories in addition to the base CentOS repositories." |
| 14:08.31 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: I get messages all the time that look official. |
| 14:08.39 | Ccomp5950 | packages are probably like any other project, community supported. |
| 14:08.47 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: you just go right ahead and file a bug on issues.digium.com |
| 14:08.59 | ManxPower-work | "Well, bless his heart" |
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| 14:09.56 | CRCinAU_ | if it was a community packages thing, shouldn't it be under the community section? with something stating that? |
| 14:10.21 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: go file a bug on that too. |
| 14:11.44 | CRCinAU_ | well I don't know... are they a community thing? or are they official Digium packages? |
| 14:12.14 | CRCinAU_ | everything I've seen only mentions the 'Digium yum repository' :\ |
| 14:12.44 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: As far as I'm concerned the only official stuff is on downloads.digium.com, but if you are convinced otherwise then go file a bug. |
| 14:12.51 | CRCinAU_ | which leads me to believe that's it as official as the source tarballs also listed on their site. |
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| 14:13.50 | CRCinAU_ | is confused. |
| 14:14.09 | CRCinAU_ | all the asterisk downloads are on http://www.asterisk.org/downloads which links to downloads.asterisk.org - but those are official too? |
| 14:14.34 | ManxPower-work | ~manxPower |
| 14:14.35 | infobot | ManxPower has been using Asterisk in production since late 2001. Currently works at InterGlobe Communications, a CLEC based in NYC with service in NY, NJ, FL, and TX. http://www.nyigc.com |
| 14:14.58 | kaldemar | downloads.digium.com links to downloads.asterisk.org when it comes to asterisk source packages |
| 14:15.00 | ManxPower-work | I don't work for Digium, but if you want to consider non- digium.com sites as "official" then you just go right ahead and do that. |
| 14:15.03 | CRCinAU_ | if the packages were in rpmforge or something, then I wouldn't care.... but packages.asterisk.org sure sounds official? :\ |
| 14:15.16 | tzafrir | CRCinAU_, those binary packages are first and foremost "reduce cost of support" |
| 14:15.36 | ManxPower-work | tzafrir: reduce? I think they increase the cost of support. |
| 14:15.44 | CRCinAU_ | o_O |
| 14:15.51 | ManxPower-work | especially when people can't find the docs for the packages. |
| 14:16.06 | Carlos_Tico | got a problem i can make calls with my trunk but i cannot recive them with it ..... |
| 14:16.29 | ManxPower-work | Carlos_Tico: Have you tried swapping the pairs? Do you get a red or yellow alarm? |
| 14:16.34 | tzafrir | throws a monkey on ManxPower-work to support |
| 14:16.36 | CRCinAU_ | ManxPower-work: how is asterisk.org not an official Digium site when EVERY page down the bottom has: Copyright © 2009 Digium, Inc. All rights reserved. |
| 14:16.54 | Carlos_Tico | red or yellow ? |
| 14:17.01 | Carlos_Tico | the call doesnt reach the pbx |
| 14:17.02 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: I have given you my opinion. I'm not going to argue about it further. |
| 14:17.08 | ManxPower-work | Carlos_Tico: The telco trunk lines. |
| 14:17.13 | CRCinAU_ | that's like saying hotmail.com isn't a microsoft site :\ |
| 14:17.26 | tzafrir | CRCinAU_, It is not official, and yet Digium holds the Asterisk trademark. Check its usage guidelines |
| 14:18.14 | ManxPower-work | Carlos_Tico: You said you have a trunk. Trunks are dedicated circuits between two pieces of switching equipment. Maybe you are using SIP and are confused as to what a trunk is? |
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| 14:18.51 | tzafrir | There's actually now a much clearer separation between digium.com and asterisk.org . |
| 14:18.56 | ManxPower-work | Carlos_Tico: Or maybe you are using FreePBX/Trixbox (in which case you are on the wrong channel) |
| 14:19.18 | ManxPower-work | "FreePBX/Trixbox is to Asterisk as Windows 95 is to DOS. " |
| 14:19.32 | Carlos_Tico | jajajaja |
| 14:19.33 | Carlos_Tico | :) |
| 14:19.43 | tzafrir | Time to DoS FreePBX? |
| 14:20.00 | ManxPower-work | tzafrir: apparently not enough to avoid confusion in some people. |
| 14:20.35 | CRCinAU_ | tzafrir: from what I understand Digium makes hardware & package sales + support for asterisk |
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| 14:21.41 | CRCinAU_ | I delt with them for quite a few g729 licenses back in the day, then got quite annoyed at them when they refused to re-key my licenses after 2 quick server upgrades. |
| 14:21.59 | michael-i | Just a question about configuring bri interfaces in 1.4. There is a line in the dahdi documentation which says "When using BRI channels in asterisk, use the bri_cpe, bri_net, or bri_cpe_ptmp (for point to multipoint mode)." |
| 14:22.04 | ManxPower-work | The licenses are keyed to the MAC of the box. |
| 14:22.12 | CRCinAU_ | I know this. |
| 14:22.13 | michael-i | grepping through asterisk, dahdi and libpri, I cannot find any references to those strings |
| 14:22.28 | ManxPower-work | michael-i: where is that documentation? |
| 14:22.36 | michael-i | http://docs.tzafrir.org.il/dahdi-tools/README.html |
| 14:22.54 | CRCinAU_ | and in multi-nic configs, it can get quite confused in the early days and randomly invalidate licenses :\ |
| 14:22.57 | tzafrir | michael-i, you didn't grep chan_dahdi.c or chan_dahdi.so |
| 14:23.14 | tzafrir | it's in chan_dahdi.conf |
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| 14:23.31 | tzafrir | or rather: /etc/asterisk/chan_dahdi.conf |
| 14:23.43 | CRCinAU_ | so I ended up just using the free G729 codecs ;) |
| 14:24.27 | CRCinAU_ | which if for whatever reasons people don't know, are at: http://asterisk.hosting.lv/ :) |
| 14:24.29 | michael-i | tzafrir: I did search through those but I could only find the pri_* versions. This is asterisk 1.4.26.3 |
| 14:24.33 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: we do not discuss the "free g729 codecs" here. |
| 14:24.50 | coppice | G.729 can't be free until it has paid its debt to society |
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| 14:25.24 | CRCinAU_ | lol |
| 14:25.28 | Nugget | heh |
| 14:25.30 | CRCinAU_ | it's a taboo subject? |
| 14:25.33 | ManxPower-work | coppice: what year is that? |
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| 14:26.07 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: As I understand it, Digium could lose their G729 license if they are seen to "promote" the pirated g729 codec. |
| 14:26.08 | coppice | something like 2017, I think |
| 14:26.47 | CRCinAU_ | lol - like I lost my g729 licenses because Digium refused to rekey them? |
| 14:26.54 | ManxPower-work | IT is the only subject I've ever seen "censored" in the Digium mailing lists. |
| 14:27.07 | CRCinAU_ | heh - fair enough :) |
| 14:27.10 | ManxPower-work | (a private company can |
| 14:27.19 | ManxPower-work | t censor, only govmts can censor) |
| 14:28.03 | CRCinAU_ | see, it's interesting though - as I paid Digium for my G729 licenses, but they refused to rekey them, does that still make the other ones illegal? as I've already paid my royalties via Digium... :\ |
| 14:28.22 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: I am not a lawyer. |
| 14:29.07 | CRCinAU_ | me either - but the experience certainly makes me not recommend buying the licenses via anyone :\ |
| 14:29.10 | tzafrir | "census" means something along the lines of "tallying", right? |
| 14:29.23 | Nugget | tzafrir: yeah, an official tallying. |
| 14:29.25 | coppice | CRCinAU_: The legal position is your licence is only to run the code that came licenced. |
| 14:29.47 | CRCinAU_ | interesting... |
| 14:30.17 | michael-i | tzafrir: maybe I'm missing something...but 'bri_net' and 'bri_cpe' are not strings in asterisk 1.4.26.3. Is bri only > 1.6? |
| 14:31.16 | tzafrir | michael-i, basically there should also be bri_net_ptmp . Not all versions of libpri support it (I guess yours doesn't) |
| 14:31.45 | tzafrir | In fact, look in the source of chan_dahdi.c for the word "sucks" :-( |
| 14:32.01 | CRCinAU_ | lol |
| 14:34.54 | michael-i | tzafrir: I just moved my libpri up to r1351 to get bri ptmp net support. But now, double checking my configuration, I cannot find any references to bri_net*/bri_cpe in neither libpri, asterisk nor dahdi-linux. These strings should be in libpri? |
| 14:36.44 | tzafrir | I it's not really an issue of dahdi (the kernel). It's all a matter of higher level. dahdi basically has to get its little bit right |
| 14:37.43 | tzafrir | You need proper librpi and asterisk. Sadly the matching support for nt/ptmp was only added in trunk, and followed a restructuring of chan_dahdi |
| 14:37.56 | tzafrir | I have not yet tried to backport it to earlier versions |
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| 14:38.49 | momelod | greetings channel |
| 14:40.01 | momelod | im trying to track down a setting but not sure what its called or where i can enable/disable it... on my asterisk system i have a dahdi interface and when calles are placed over those channels, people are complaining that only one person can speak at a time. So if im on the phone and i breath into the receiver it mutes the caller on the other end. how can i stop that? |
| 14:40.21 | michael-i | ok...now I understand. That would explain why those strings are not there. I'm probably capable of porting something like that back to 1.4. Could you give some idea of the complexity / depth of that restructuring of chan_dahdi in trunk? |
| 14:45.03 | michael-i | tzafrir: it's also in 1.6.1.11. This will probably be the shove needed for me to port AskoziaPBX to use 1.6 |
| 14:45.17 | michael-i | yummy...not what I planned for today! :) |
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| 15:10.45 | hluesea | channel, can you say me what i need in this sceniro or what proper way to do that. I know the other side asterisk sip server's gateway ip protocol and codec so that 2 sip server interconnect each other and than other side send calls to pbx. My side is in that time only will be a pbx server. I configurated sipproxy, general sip conf. file and extensions.conf. && |
| 15:11.24 | hluesea | which conteniers must be configured in sip.conf files without my fixed |
| 15:13.27 | Katty | i don't think i even understood half of that. |
| 15:13.50 | Katty | also, good morning |
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| 15:13.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Katty: Mew. |
| 15:14.10 | Katty | hi fender. |
| 15:14.22 | beek | Morning [TK]D-Fender & Katty |
| 15:14.26 | Katty | hugs beek |
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| 15:19.31 | CRCinAU_ | yay. 4 issues lodged. |
| 15:19.42 | CRCinAU_ | with my first log in to issues.asterisk.org since 2007 ;) |
| 15:21.57 | [TK]D-Fender | CRCinAU_: I agree.... |
| 15:22.03 | [TK]D-Fender | CRCinAU_: You have "issues" :p |
| 15:22.11 | CRCinAU_ | heh |
| 15:22.37 | CRCinAU_ | most of my issues would go away if those 4 bug reports get fixed ;) |
| 15:25.23 | [TK]D-Fender | "for everything else, there's therapy" |
| 15:25.33 | CRCinAU_ | indeed. |
| 15:25.58 | CRCinAU_ | wait - isn't that supposed to say "for everything else, theres beer"? |
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| 15:27.20 | CRCinAU_ | or is that only for us aviation folk? :P |
| 15:28.07 | coppice | "for everything else there's anti-biotics" |
| 15:28.49 | [TK]D-Fender | The pen"icillin" is mightier than the "sword" |
| 15:29.03 | CRCinAU_ | heh |
| 15:29.26 | coppice | sword? ah, the surgery option |
| 15:29.48 | CRCinAU_ | I think that's the reason I get more annoyed than other at what I see as major flaws. cos in my industry, if you have those, people die :\ |
| 15:29.53 | [TK]D-Fender | coppice: Not quite. |
| 15:29.56 | CRCinAU_ | do you start seeing things in a different light. |
| 15:30.07 | CRCinAU_ | /do/so |
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| 15:30.44 | [TK]D-Fender | CRCinAU_: "Warning: do not look into the laser with your remaining good eye" |
| 15:30.53 | CRCinAU_ | heh |
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| 15:31.27 | CRCinAU_ | I've got a good photo of a sign kinda like that from the back of a USAF jet that was carrying one of the USAF majors on it... it had a laser missile defense system on the back |
| 15:31.43 | CRCinAU_ | with placard after placard next to it with things along those lines on them lol |
| 15:33.14 | CRCinAU_ | it was quite interesting talking to the guy who literally has a red phone to the US president lol |
| 15:33.21 | CRCinAU_ | it's a completely different world to those guys |
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| 15:34.04 | jaytee | I've got a problem with my setup for forwarded extensions and still having the call route to the correct mailbox if no one answers but this only occurs if the call is incoming over our PRI, internal SIP to SIP still goes to the correct mailbox. |
| 15:34.27 | jaytee | here's my pastebin of the dial macro I'm using and example output of test calls from the CLI |
| 15:34.29 | jaytee | http://pastebin.ca/1696545 |
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| 15:37.48 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: the code doesn't match |
| 15:38.05 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: -- Executing [s@macro-zooexten:1] GotoIf("SIP/5146-1d80b980", "0?unknown:skip") in new stack |
| 15:38.12 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: exten => s,1,Dial(SIP/${ARG1},20,rt) |
| 15:38.21 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Apples & oranges |
| 15:38.46 | ManxPower-work | remove that stupid "r" from the dial line |
| 15:38.48 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, oops, sorry I trimmed the macro down to eliminate the callerid testing for blocked CID info |
| 15:38.59 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: I'm looking at prioirty ONE. |
| 15:39.14 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: tell you what.. show me real code and you'll get a real solution :) |
| 15:41.32 | Katty | dear universe, thank you for vicks |
| 15:43.06 | Katty | also thank you for puffs, and hot chocolate. |
| 15:43.08 | Katty | love, Katty |
| 15:43.16 | CRCinAU_ | really silly question, shouldn't something like this work: exten => 1XX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN},30,tr) |
| 15:43.26 | CRCinAU_ | assuming your peer name is the same as the extension dialed? |
| 15:43.36 | [TK]D-Fender | CRCinAU_: Not the way You're thinking it will I'm sure |
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| 15:43.55 | coppice | Katty: vicks is good when you have a nice chest to rub it on |
| 15:44.04 | [TK]D-Fender | CRCinAU_: because that isn't a PATTERN |
| 15:44.06 | DocAwesome | o.O |
| 15:44.12 | Katty | i'm going to pretend that was a completely appropriate comment. |
| 15:44.18 | CRCinAU_ | *sigh* |
| 15:44.22 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, I apologize. here's a new pastebin with the original unaltered dial macro. The stripped down version produced the same results. http://pastebin.ca/1696570 |
| 15:44.24 | Katty | and yes, vicks is lovely. |
| 15:44.57 | CRCinAU_ | [TK]D-Fender: is there a 'better' way that would keep things simple? |
| 15:45.03 | CRCinAU_ | or better yet, even work? :P |
| 15:45.28 | leifmadsen | CRCinAU_: you're missing an underscore |
| 15:45.44 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^ |
| 15:45.44 | leifmadsen | CRCinAU_: learn how to create a pattern match |
| 15:45.57 | leifmadsen | 1XX is literal |
| 15:46.00 | leifmadsen | _1XX is not |
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| 15:46.37 | CRCinAU_ | hahahhaha |
| 15:46.51 | leifmadsen | why is that funny? |
| 15:46.59 | CRCinAU_ | you're right. didn't even tweak about the 1XX part - I was focussing on the Dial/etc part ;) |
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| 15:47.09 | leifmadsen | of course I'm right :) |
| 15:47.41 | CRCinAU_ | my mind was off wondering if it does standard variable substitution, or goes off and does things the .Net way ;) |
| 15:47.58 | CRCinAU_ | ie every type of variable has a type assigned to it and you can't mix and match. |
| 15:49.08 | CRCinAU_ | I've been revisiting my config since I moved from 1.4 to 1.6 and looking going "geez, I did *what* back then?!?" ;) |
| 15:49.20 | CRCinAU_ | in fact, I think it was originally config'ed for 1.2 |
| 15:49.41 | CRCinAU_ | and hardly been touched since then lol |
| 15:50.03 | CRCinAU_ | I need to alias 'extensions reload' to 'dialplay reload' somehow as well LOL |
| 15:50.29 | leifmadsen | CRCinAU_: use a CLI alias then |
| 15:50.39 | leifmadsen | clialiases.conf in 1.6.1.x |
| 15:50.42 | heliosj | Or just learn to do it the new way and don't give yourself the crutch. :P |
| 15:50.44 | CRCinAU_ | just reading about those now :) |
| 15:50.44 | ManxPower-work | Good thing you read UPGRADE*.txt so you know these things. |
| 15:51.05 | CRCinAU_ | ManxPower-work: see one of my issue reports about a lack of UPGRADE*.txt in said packages ;) |
| 15:51.07 | heliosj | ManxPower-work: Why RTFM when you have IRC? :p |
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| 15:51.31 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: -- Executing [s@macro-zooexten:4] Set("Local/2011@internal_unr-766c,2", "CALLERID=3173855975") in new stack |
| 15:51.34 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: -- Executing [s@macro-zooexten:4] NoOp("Zap/2-1", "3173855975") in new stack |
| 15:52.00 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: PARDON? how the hell are these commands DIFFERENT for that priority based on what you showed me? |
| 15:52.41 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: not our problem. |
| 15:52.44 | momelod | im trying to track down a setting but not sure what its called or where i can enable/disable it... on my asterisk system i have a dahdi interface and when calles are placed over those channels, people are complaining that only one person can speak at a time. So if im on the phone and i breath into the receiver it mutes the caller on the other end. how can i stop that? |
| 15:52.44 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: exten => s,n(skip),Set(CALLERID=${CALLERID(ani)}) <-- this was the code's 4th line (3rd "n" following "1" |
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| 15:53.27 | CRCinAU_ | ManxPower-work: I didn't say it was your problem. but yes, it is a collective 'our' problem. just not yours :) |
| 15:53.37 | ManxPower-work | momelod: your problem is not typical. Did you enable aggressive echo canceling? |
| 15:53.57 | ManxPower-work | CRCinAU_: only problem for people that use that package. I suspect nobody on this channel uses the packages |
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| 15:54.48 | CRCinAU_ | ManxPower-work: doesn't mean it should be something that isn't fixed because someone on IRC doesn't care about it. |
| 15:55.02 | momelod | ManxPower-work, possibly.. where is that set? ill check |
| 15:55.13 | heliosj | CRCinAU_: Where are you getting the packages from? |
| 15:55.19 | CRCinAU_ | heliosj: packages.asterisk.org |
| 15:55.31 | MAbbas | Hi, how to use AGI's "Get Variable <variable-name>" in python? |
| 15:55.44 | [TK]D-Fender | MAbbas: Same as any other command |
| 15:55.54 | CRCinAU_ | STDIN / STDOUT? |
| 15:56.14 | Ryushin | Anyone using FOP 0.30 with Asterisk 1.6? I have everything working with FOP except showing the PRI channels in use. FOP was using the Zap syntax in the config file. Changing it to Dundi didn't make any difference. I've checked the FOP mailing list as well. |
| 15:56.31 | [TK]D-Fender | RyDUNDI? Pardon? |
| 15:56.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Ryushin: DUNDI? Pardon? |
| 15:56.41 | leifmadsen | Ryushin: you mean DAHDI, not DUNDI |
| 15:57.07 | Ryushin | Sorry, typo. I've only had 4 hours of sleep. |
| 15:58.43 | Ryushin | Even then, I had a typo in my global replace in the button file. Thank you. It's working fine now. |
| 15:59.05 | Katty | hehe dundi |
| 15:59.59 | CRCinAU_ | as in crocodile? |
| 16:00.35 | Ryushin | As in not enough sleep and I should start taking drugs. |
| 16:00.55 | CRCinAU_ | now now, drugs are not the answer... guns are. |
| 16:00.57 | CRCinAU_ | ;) |
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| 16:02.56 | MAbbas | <[TK]D-Fender>: I dont have access to Asterisk box right now .. does this Piece of |
| 16:02.56 | MAbbas | cod with work |
| 16:03.00 | MAbbas | def GetVariable(varName): |
| 16:03.00 | MAbbas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.00 | MAbbas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.00 | MAbbas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.05 | tzafrir | ~pb |
| 16:03.06 | infobot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , or apt-get install pastebinit |
| 16:04.18 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, aaaaaarrrrrrrgggghhh!!!! I'm really sorry I wasted your time looking at that. I had been trying a few things in an attempt to solve this problem and just realized I'd copied a call example from the CLI from another modified macro. |
| 16:09.43 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Cleared it up for you quick, didn't I? :) |
| 16:10.39 | [TK]D-Fender | MAbbas: Call us when you're in a position to do something about your problem. |
| 16:10.49 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, well I got ahead of myself trying to get everything in a pastebin. Still no closer figuring out how to fix or build a workaround for this. |
| 16:11.26 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: well when you show me at least consistent code execution maybe we can solve this :) |
| 16:11.56 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipnat |
| 16:11.57 | infobot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 16:13.47 | tzafrir | Ryushin, IIRC version 0.30 added support for DAHDI |
| 16:13.50 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, I'm working on getting that all correct. I'm not wasting any more of your time until I can at least give you accurate info to work with. |
| 16:14.24 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Harly took more than 2 minutes of looking between them :) |
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| 16:19.05 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, this is the correct macro code and two new call examples. http://pastebin.ca/1696648 |
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| 16:19.48 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Um, what "mailbox"? |
| 16:21.23 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, the mailbox is on Exchange UM. The SIPAddHeader app passes a diversion notification to Exchange based on the value of $ARG1. |
| 16:21.24 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Ah, I think I see |
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| 16:23.36 | Skeeter- | Is there anyway to dial a number 3 seconds after the dialer hasnt type anything more |
| 16:25.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: "t" Asterisk Standard Extension + "core show function TIMEOUT" |
| 16:26.21 | Skeeter- | [TK]D-Fender, Thank you |
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| 16:26.37 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Key difference == Spawn extension (macro-zooexten, s, 1) exited non-zero on 'Local/2011@internal_unr-f05a,2' in macro 'zooexten' |
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| 16:33.31 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: I'm thinking there may be an issue witht he dial time in terms of the the "owning channel''s dial timeout VS that of the redirected Local channel's new dial attempt (complete macro call) |
| 16:33.34 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, and the other difference is when the call is external the call is actually bridged between the zap channel and the local channel that gets called when the call is forwarded from the original phone |
| 16:33.40 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: I'm smelling a race condition. |
| 16:34.01 | coppice | most people get pretty smelly after a race |
| 16:34.44 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: yes, there is that answered bit |
| 16:34.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Er... no, nvm, scratch that |
| 16:35.58 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, I'm inclined to go with your instincts since I've come up empty. I was already confused that in both scenarios the local channel was then calling the forwarded number using the same dial macro yet only SIP to SIP calls work as intended. |
| 16:38.21 | pta200 | Is there anyway to get call's position on the queue as the call is hung up? |
| 16:40.05 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, there's another factor that has to do with the weirdness of using Exchange UM instead of Comedian Mail. If I set someone's callerid info incorrectly in sip.conf, i.e. CALLERID="Jim Jones" <3333> and Jim Jones's number and mailbox is actually 3334 the call will go to the wrong mailbox. |
| 16:40.38 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Well tahts the assumption game... |
| 16:41.13 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, assumption? |
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| 16:41.41 | eppigy | DONDE |
| 16:41.44 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, I was referring to actual tests but not on forwarded phones |
| 16:41.51 | jaytee | eppigy, AQUI |
| 16:43.17 | jaytee | ALLI |
| 16:43.41 | jaytee | POR TODAS PARTES |
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| 16:46.04 | Skeeter- | [TK]D-Fender, does the timeout makes the phone autodial after a few secs??? |
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| 16:46.40 | ManxPower-work | Skeeter-: timeout if for IVRs |
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| 16:47.05 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, I'm going to wait till after hours and call traffic has died down to run sip debug for both scenarios to see what's changing in the info being passed to Exchange. Not sure if can create a workaround for that though. |
| 16:47.49 | Skeeter- | ManxPower-work, here is the situation: ppl complain here that when the hook off the phone and dial a number, it does autodial after 3 seconds if u have not added any numbers |
| 16:48.08 | ManxPower-work | Skeeter-: then consult the instructions for your phone |
| 16:48.14 | Naikrovek | yes |
| 16:48.19 | Naikrovek | polycom phones do that by default |
| 16:48.22 | ManxPower-work | Asterisk does not receive the digits until the phone decides to send them. |
| 16:48.32 | Naikrovek | if you're using polycom, the way to fix it is to modify the digitmap timeout |
| 16:48.58 | Skeeter- | ManxPower-work, ok thanks for the point, do you know why it does send it automactly after 10-11 digits, cant remember |
| 16:49.14 | Naikrovek | Skeeter-: that's configured in the digitmap |
| 16:49.15 | Skeeter- | Naikrovek, ok |
| 16:49.43 | Naikrovek | if you're in an area that uses 10 digit dialing, you need to tell the phone that via the digitmap |
| 16:49.51 | Naikrovek | so that when you hit that 10th digit it knows not to wait |
| 16:49.57 | Naikrovek | are you using polycom? |
| 16:50.31 | mort_gib | Naikrovek: What if you are in an area that uses 5 digits and your users call 9 digit numbers ever so often?? |
| 16:50.35 | Skeeter- | Naikrovek, yes |
| 16:50.44 | Naikrovek | if you are, you can also finish with the # key or the dial button. both will cause the phone to place the call immediately |
| 16:50.56 | Skeeter- | I had to modify the digitmap in order to use 1XX extension tho |
| 16:51.12 | Naikrovek | mort_gib: do the 5 and 9 digit numbers start with the same number? |
| 16:52.30 | mort_gib | No the 9 digits start with 00 |
| 16:53.04 | ManxPower-work | then you do something like [1-9][1-9]XXXXXXX and XXXXX |
| 16:53.05 | Skeeter- | Digitmap: http://pastebin.com/m6294f503 |
| 16:53.14 | ManxPower-work | ..er...sorry that's totally wrong |
| 16:53.29 | Gido-E | 00XXXXXXX |
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| 16:53.36 | ManxPower-work | then you'd do something like [1-9][1-9]XXX and 00XXXXXXX |
| 16:53.40 | ManxPower-work | there, that's better. |
| 16:53.45 | mort_gib | Yeah, but that kinda sucks |
| 16:53.55 | Gido-E | why? |
| 16:54.09 | mort_gib | So I have to do a rule for each length of phone numbers! |
| 16:55.00 | Qwell | leifmadsen: ping! |
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| 16:55.15 | leifmadsen | Qwell: delayed pong (wait: 5 mins) |
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| 16:55.30 | Qwell | that's a typo in the topic, right? should be 1.6.0.19? I can fix it if so |
| 16:55.40 | Naikrovek | mort_gib: then your digitmap would include something like XXXXX|00XXXXXXX and your digitmap timeout would include something like 5|5 |
| 16:55.40 | leifmadsen | oh yes, I will do that now |
| 16:55.41 | *** topic/#asterisk by Qwell -> Asterisk: The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- Asterisk 1.6.1.11 (2009/11/30), 1.6.0.19 (2009/11/30), 1.4.27.1 (2009/11/30), *-Addons 1.6.1.1 (2009/07/24), 1.6.0.3 (2009/07/24), 1.4.9 (2009/07/24), dahdi-linux 2.2.0.2 (2009/07/23), dahdi-tools 2.2.0 (2009/06/24), Libpri 1.4.10.1 (2009/07/02) -=- Related channels: #asterisknow #switchvox #asterisk-bugs |
| 16:55.44 | Skeeter- | can anyone take a look at my digitmap plz |
| 16:55.49 | leifmadsen | or you can :) |
| 16:55.54 | leifmadsen | wait, what was right? |
| 16:55.54 | Naikrovek | mort_gib: yes one rule for each possible phone number pattern, yes |
| 16:55.57 | Skeeter- | http://pastebin.com/m6294f503 |
| 16:56.00 | leifmadsen | what did it say before? |
| 16:56.06 | Qwell | 1.6.0.10 |
| 16:56.15 | leifmadsen | really? wow, I totally missed the 9 key then :) |
| 16:56.34 | mort_gib | Well, really it's the 5 digits and then everything with 00 in front |
| 16:56.51 | mort_gib | but my clients they call international 55-65% of the time! |
| 16:56.57 | Gido-E | 00XXX. will do the trick |
| 16:57.08 | Naikrovek | Skeeter-: ooh i hate dialing 9 to get an out |
| 16:57.12 | Naikrovek | that's not necessary in voip land |
| 16:57.47 | Naikrovek | but whatever |
| 16:57.54 | Skeeter- | Naikrovek, i know |
| 16:58.04 | Skeeter- | ppl were use to it so i kept it |
| 16:58.11 | Naikrovek | Skeeter-: in the timeout you may want to set a different timeout for each dial pattern |
| 16:59.08 | Skeeter- | Naikrovek, i tried it this way and it still doesnt work |
| 16:59.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: Well you only have 12 digit patterns there |
| 16:59.21 | Naikrovek | Skeeter-: let me show you what I ahve |
| 16:59.24 | Naikrovek | yes |
| 16:59.37 | Skeeter- | Naikrovek, aight thanks |
| 16:59.42 | [TK]D-Fender | MATH FAIL |
| 16:59.58 | Skeeter- | [TK]D-Fender, i use that to make sure we can dial anytging |
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| 17:00.22 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: Well if you dial less, it will wait until you dial MORE and reach the pattern limit |
| 17:00.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: and that certainly isn't "anything" |
| 17:00.38 | Skeeter- | 918001234567= 12 digits?? |
| 17:00.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: Can you count? |
| 17:01.13 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: YES its 12 digits |
| 17:01.18 | Skeeter- | [TK]D-Fender, can you?: we dial 9 to get out |
| 17:01.43 | Naikrovek | Skeeter-: [TK]D-Fender: peruse http://pastie.org/721988 |
| 17:01.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: PART OF THE FUCKING PATTERN |
| 17:01.45 | Gido-E | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: your phone precisely JACK SHIT about what FreePBX does with the number. it just DIALS IT |
| 17:02.25 | [TK]D-Fender | cares* |
| 17:02.25 | Skeeter- | [TK]D-Fender, thats hell of a patern there |
| 17:03.04 | [TK]D-Fender | [12:00]<Skeeter->918001234567= 12 digits?? <-- there are TWELVE digits here. Count them. the fact YOU consider the "9" a prefix is all in your head. |
| 17:03.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: the phone doesn't care how it gets processed once handed off. |
| 17:04.45 | Defraz | [from-pstn-custom] ; Incoming DID Numbers exten=> _XXXXXXXXXX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN:3}@myvoipserver.com) |
| 17:05.17 | Defraz | Shouldn't that just forward any incoming 10 digit number over to myvoipserver.com via sip correct? |
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| 17:05.37 | Defraz | I have an asterisk server with a pri |
| 17:05.56 | [TK]D-Fender | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.57 | Defraz | then I have my office asterisk server that all the phones register too |
| 17:06.02 | ManxPower-work | Why would a SIP provider accept 7-digit dialing? |
| 17:06.14 | Skeeter- | [TK]D-Fender, u suggest to make a partern for: local numbers, international, toll-free, etc??? |
| 17:06.15 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower-work: Who said it was a provider? |
| 17:06.18 | Defraz | so if I drop the :3 it would be 10 |
| 17:06.29 | Gido-E | Defraz yes |
| 17:06.32 | ManxPower-work | [TK]D-Fender: who said it's not? |
| 17:06.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: I suggest you account for whatever you want to accout for... just learn to well... COUNT |
| 17:06.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Lunch time... |
| 17:06.59 | Skeeter- | same |
| 17:07.05 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower-work: Who said it is? i answered his quesion generically... I make no other assumptions :) |
| 17:07.24 | Skeeter- | [TK]D-Fender, sorry for bringing up to rage to you each time i come here |
| 17:07.46 | p3nguin | skeeter-: I hope you don't think you're a special case. |
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| 17:08.23 | Skeeter- | p3nguin, you mean it doesnt happen only with me or that im the only retard here?? maybe both?? |
| 17:08.38 | p3nguin | skeeter-: I mean that you aren't the only one that irritates him easily. |
| 17:09.15 | Skeeter- | p3nguin, ok anyway trying my best on my side: Lunch time ppl, have a nice day |
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| 17:16.02 | ManxPower-work | Skeeter-: stop asking dumb questions and [TK]D-Fender will stop being upset. |
| 17:17.17 | dlynes | I remember someone on here yesterday complaining about ridiculously high cell phone bills in Canada...I found a solution if anyone's interested |
| 17:22.04 | dlynes | [TK]D-Fender: just to be the devil's advocate, most carriers in canada support 7 digit dialing |
| 17:22.50 | dlynes | [TK]D-Fender: otherwise you wouldn't be able to dial 310-4NET to get through to Telus' ADSL department, or 310-1010 to order a pizza from Pizza Pizza |
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| 17:39.20 | Katty | hi |
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| 17:45.34 | Deeewayne | waves to Katty |
| 17:45.40 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes: Yeah... and you live WHERE? Leif and I beg to differ in mandatory 10-digit land :) |
| 17:46.18 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: Only 3 kinds of people in this world; those that know math, and those that don't |
| 17:47.34 | ariel_ | hello folks |
| 17:49.29 | Gido-E | [TK]D-Fender i prefer: Only 10 kinds of people in this world; those that know math, and those that don't |
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| 17:50.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Gido-E: No, thats 10 kinds of people in the world.. those that know binary and those that don't |
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| 17:58.13 | dlynes | [TK]D-Fender: the 7 digit dialing for 310 is nationwide...even in kaybec |
| 17:58.58 | dlynes | [TK]D-Fender: but only for 310...every other number is 10-digit |
| 17:59.09 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes: No, Montreal, Toronto, etc have all expanded too big with multiple area codes and require 10 digits |
| 17:59.34 | leifmadsen | many large cities require 10 digit dialing |
| 17:59.37 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes: Cell carriers as well |
| 17:59.39 | dlynes | [TK]D-Fender: same for vancouver, but it's still got 7 digit dialing for the 310-wraparound numbers |
| 17:59.41 | leifmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: 519 is now 10 digit too |
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| 17:59.44 | Qwell | even Huntsville is getting 10-digit dialing soon |
| 17:59.56 | leifmadsen | dlynes: you don't have a 7 digit dialing option in Ontario, Canada |
| 17:59.59 | [TK]D-Fender | leifmadsen: Ottawa region, right? |
| 18:00.13 | leifmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: no, South Western Ontario (London, Sarnia) |
| 18:00.15 | dlynes | leifmadsen: sure you do....I've dialed 310-bell here several times |
| 18:00.21 | leifmadsen | that's a special number |
| 18:00.25 | dlynes | leifmadsen: in the hamilton number |
| 18:00.30 | [TK]D-Fender | leifmadsen: Ah, that eats up niagara, etc... whee |
| 18:00.33 | leifmadsen | 310 is a special exchange |
| 18:00.46 | dlynes | leifmadsen: yes, which is what I was expressing to [TK]D-Fender , but he doesn't believe me...he thinks it's a vancouver thing only |
| 18:01.05 | leifmadsen | 310 is all of Canada |
| 18:01.10 | leifmadsen | it's a toll-free number |
| 18:01.20 | [TK]D-Fender | dlynes: No, I counted it as a "I'm in a small(er) town that doesn't ahve these rules" thing |
| 18:01.21 | dlynes | leifmadsen: yes, i know...even in kaybec |
| 18:01.22 | Qwell | 310-XXXX? |
| 18:01.26 | leifmadsen | Qwell: yep |
| 18:01.35 | leifmadsen | 310-10-10 I think is Pizza PIzza |
| 18:01.45 | dlynes | leifmadsen: I also said that, too :) |
| 18:01.46 | leifmadsen | I can't remember though |
| 18:01.55 | dlynes | leifmadsen: but their pizza sucks |
| 18:01.58 | leifmadsen | it sure does |
| 18:02.01 | leifmadsen | it used to be good |
| 18:02.14 | dlynes | I don't know how they were able to expand so much when their pizza is so bad |
| 18:02.16 | leifmadsen | there was a Dominos near my old place that made amazing pizza. I was shocked it was a Dominos |
| 18:02.23 | leifmadsen | they got brand new ovens and everything |
| 18:02.24 | dlynes | I wish I could find a Panago pizza in ontario |
| 18:02.39 | dlynes | panago is like twice as good as Pizza Hut |
| 18:02.51 | dlynes | but priced more like a domino's |
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| 18:03.31 | dlynes | crack houses in this neck of the woods are more common than pizza shops |
| 18:04.28 | [TK]D-Fender | I've got a truly awesome place down the street... Leif, let me know when you're in town next :) |
| 18:04.40 | leifmadsen | heh |
| 18:04.45 | leifmadsen | I don't eat pizza anymore really |
| 18:04.56 | [TK]D-Fender | leifmadsen: Me neither, but i'd make an exception for it :) |
| 18:04.58 | Chainsaw | leifmadsen: You have quit the programmers diet? |
| 18:05.14 | leifmadsen | yeppers |
| 18:05.27 | leifmadsen | I actually eat reasonably healthy now |
| 18:05.27 | leifmadsen | dropped 15 lbs over the last few months |
| 18:05.32 | [TK]D-Fender | warm beer and cold pizza... BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS! |
| 18:05.45 | leifmadsen | better with a cigarette butt in the beer |
| 18:07.04 | ManxPower-work | Sugar, Fat, Chocolate, Pizza, Alcohol <- the 5 food groups |
| 18:07.56 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower-work: these days the 1st 2 make the 3rd superfluous |
| 18:08.21 | ManxPower-work | I HATE PROGRAMMING!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:08.26 | Katty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxU1aIr2Yo4 <- critter cam, finally annotated. |
| 18:08.35 | Katty | ManxPower-work: join the club. |
| 18:09.55 | Gido-E | i live in the netherlands, we also have weed over here(legal). |
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| 18:13.12 | Skeeter- | Katty, is it really automated, sounds like someone is moving it |
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| 18:14.11 | Katty | Skeeter-: hmm? |
| 18:14.16 | Katty | Skeeter-: is what automatted? |
| 18:14.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: time-lapse |
| 18:14.26 | Katty | Skeeter-: the camera? |
| 18:14.49 | Skeeter- | dlynes, wats uer solutions for cell bills in canada??? |
| 18:15.20 | Skeeter- | Katty, sorry miread anootated and automated |
| 18:15.30 | Katty | ah |
| 18:15.47 | Skeeter- | im sorry my english is pretty bad |
| 18:15.55 | [TK]D-Fender | HUKT ON FONIX WERKT 4 ME! |
| 18:17.58 | Katty | poor chip just can't find his nuts. |
| 18:18.17 | ian6 | asterisk is my solution for cell bills in canada :( |
| 18:18.46 | voipmonk | lan6 how do u deal with the data? |
| 18:19.33 | Skeeter- | ian6, could you PM me with details??? |
| 18:19.48 | voipmonk | $60 for 500 MB @ Fido |
| 18:19.57 | voipmonk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.24 | pta200 | Anyone know if there is anyway to get call's position in a queue just as that caller hangs up? |
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| 18:22.07 | ian6 | er |
| 18:22.12 | ian6 | if they hang up they're not in the queue anymore. |
| 18:23.14 | ManxPower-work | you could find out the wait time pretty easy |
| 18:23.51 | ManxPower-work | and you'd think queue_log might have that position info |
| 18:23.56 | [TK]D-Fender | voipmonk: If thats just the data, thats terrible |
| 18:24.14 | voipmonk | data plans in canada suck |
| 18:24.19 | ManxPower-work | I pay $60/month for 5GB of usage |
| 18:24.19 | voipmonk | always have |
| 18:24.21 | ian6 | cell data plans in NA suck, stop the presses :P |
| 18:24.24 | [TK]D-Fender | voipmonk: $30 @ 1BG as add-on with Bell |
| 18:24.28 | [TK]D-Fender | GB* |
| 18:24.35 | ian6 | ManxPower-work: yeah, I pay $60 for 6GB too. Rogers? |
| 18:24.42 | ian6 | er |
| 18:24.43 | ManxPower-work | And I thought that was a total rip off. The 2nd 5GB runs about $250. |
| 18:24.47 | ian6 | 60? |
| 18:24.47 | ian6 | 30. |
| 18:24.51 | ian6 | I pay $30 for 6GB |
| 18:24.52 | ManxPower-work | ian6: Verizon Wireless EVDO |
| 18:24.55 | ian6 | oh. |
| 18:25.00 | voipmonk | 29.99 @ home w/Tmobile ( Unlimited) |
| 18:25.20 | ManxPower-work | voipmonk: for the places that T-mobile has service. |
| 18:25.21 | [TK]D-Fender | ian6: Where are you located? |
| 18:25.33 | ManxPower-work | My ONLY option for "broadband" is EVDO or Satellite |
| 18:25.43 | p3nguin | Comparing g729 to g711 in the codec table on Cisco's web site, I see that g729 has a much smaller voice payload and appears to require just a fraction of the bandwidth that g711 needs. In real life, does this mean that g729 isn't going to have as good of sound quality as g711? |
| 18:25.54 | Naikrovek | p3nguin: yes |
| 18:25.59 | Naikrovek | p3nguin: but not really noticable |
| 18:26.03 | [TK]D-Fender | ian6: p3nguin to paraphrase : DUH |
| 18:26.06 | Naikrovek | still clear sounding, just not as clear |
| 18:26.09 | ian6 | [TK]D-Fender: BC |
| 18:26.16 | [TK]D-Fender | ian6: Lucky you.... |
| 18:26.28 | [TK]D-Fender | ian6: East cost isn't so fortunate. |
| 18:26.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Coast* |
| 18:26.38 | ian6 | [TK]D-Fender: not really. My actual voice plan out here is ~2x as expensive as it was on the east coast. |
| 18:26.44 | ManxPower-work | G711 is "uncompressed audio". I put it in quotes because that's not really accurate, but it's a good way to think abou tit. |
| 18:26.47 | ian6 | [TK]D-Fender: nah, it was their special "ENTICE THE IPHONE USERS" plan. |
| 18:26.49 | [TK]D-Fender | ian6: Robin Hood-ed |
| 18:26.52 | ian6 | I don't think they still offer it. |
| 18:26.54 | DMeloUK | for most of my clients its more about the additional cpu overhead of g729 affecting their ability to cram as many calls onto the box as possible |
| 18:27.18 | ian6 | [TK]D-Fender: I just moved out here from out east a little while ago. I pay the same price for half the service. I feel a lot less bad about exploiting their My5 shit to run through voip. |
| 18:27.27 | DMeloUK | but where bandwidth is the primary concern it makes sense to use g729 |
| 18:27.33 | kkemp | p3nguin: From my reading and experience G.729 sounds perfectly fine and users don't even know the difference. I think the the real issue though is it has less room for lost packets/jitter/etc. |
| 18:27.40 | p3nguin | With a smaller voice payload, does that mean that you can fit more voice into a smaller packet? |
| 18:28.01 | ManxPower-work | p3nguin: define "payload" |
| 18:28.15 | ManxPower-work | Asterisk generally assumes 20ms payload regardless of codec |
| 18:28.23 | [TK]D-Fender | ian6: For my Cell I've got 250 DT, E&W @ 6PM, VM, CID, no SAF, and unlimited internet for $40+tax, but I'm stuck on my HTC Touch |
| 18:28.29 | Naikrovek | no. voip packets are sent every 20ms or so, so it's the same amount of voice in a probably smaller packet |
| 18:28.50 | ManxPower-work | which means that your per-packet overhead is the same |
| 18:28.56 | Naikrovek | yes |
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| 18:29.15 | p3nguin | manxpower-work: In the table, they show Voice Payload Size (Bytes) and Voice Payload Size (ms). |
| 18:29.23 | p3nguin | The time is 20ms on both codecs. |
| 18:29.29 | pta200 | ian6: Right but there are some channel variables set when a caller leaves using the setqueueentryvar=yes in the queue configuration, but last position isn't one of them, so I wondering there was any other method to get that information |
| 18:29.32 | ManxPower-work | p3nguin: We never talk about payload size here |
| 18:29.40 | [TK]D-Fender | ian6: mind you my internet is WAP so there are no doubt some limitations..., but so far i can get Youtube, e-mail, web, and IRC, so I guess its OK. |
| 18:29.43 | p3nguin | G.711 (64 Kbps) 160 Bytes |
| 18:29.52 | p3nguin | G.729 (8 Kbps) 20 Bytes |
| 18:30.06 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: pardon? |
| 18:30.09 | Naikrovek | p3nguin: yes, but the same number of packets move, they're just smaller |
| 18:30.15 | kkemp | 1 byte a millisecond huh? |
| 18:30.22 | ian6 | ew htc touch |
| 18:30.24 | Naikrovek | he's trying to understand g729 and compression in general |
| 18:30.31 | ian6 | I dunno why I dislike those so much, but I do. |
| 18:30.44 | leifmadsen | I prefer my E71 from Nokia over anything else I've used |
| 18:30.50 | Naikrovek | kkemp: reasonable when you only sample 8000 times per second |
| 18:30.52 | Gido-E | g729 had better compresion, that is why it uses less bandwith |
| 18:31.23 | [TK]D-Fender | ian6: Its an OP phone really... I just want a bigger better screen, running Android and getting the new 2.0 frills. |
| 18:31.29 | ian6 | [TK]D-Fender: ah. Yeah I have whatever Rogers' cheapest plan is. |
| 18:31.35 | [TK]D-Fender | ian6: + GPS, etc for the new nav stuff |
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| 18:31.42 | p3nguin | Packets per second is 50 for both codecs. |
| 18:31.57 | voipmonk | TK - checkout the meizu phones |
| 18:32.10 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: that's just PAYLOAD BTW |
| 18:32.24 | p3nguin | which is what I'm trying to understand. |
| 18:32.35 | ian6 | [TK]D-Fender: yeah. I love the iphone. I would love it even more if I could really use the hardware. |
| 18:32.39 | [TK]D-Fender | voipmonk: No iPhone rip-offs... |
| 18:32.51 | [TK]D-Fender | voipmonk: And i don't want an iPhone... |
| 18:32.52 | ManxPower-work | p3nguin: same everything except the audio takes up less space. It's not rocket science. |
| 18:32.57 | voipmonk | did I say Iphone? |
| 18:33.00 | voipmonk | it runs android |
| 18:33.12 | *** part/#asterisk pta200 (n=paolo@goose.specialai.com) |
| 18:33.44 | p3nguin | and G.723.1 takes up even less space? |
| 18:33.52 | kkemp | p3nguin: Yeah, so the overhead is the same, except it's more than the data. IAX w/G.729 can cram so many more calls in |
| 18:34.04 | [TK]D-Fender | voipmonk: Yeah, but they rip the iPhone design, etc.. not sure about avaiability, and east coast adds shipping,e tc, and I'd still ahve to pay full price w/o subsidy |
| 18:34.05 | Skeeter- | [TK]D-Fender, does your HTC Touch uses a Sim carc??? |
| 18:34.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: No |
| 18:35.59 | [TK]D-Fender | voipmonk: So far I see Meizu running Android as a 3rd party hack, not "native". This still accurate? |
| 18:35.59 | Skeeter- | I got the lowest data plan with the iphones, i use Asterisk server(with the wireless) @work and @home |
| 18:36.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: And what plan is this? |
| 18:36.29 | Skeeter- | [TK]D-Fender, Bell |
| 18:36.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Skeeter-: Ah, BELL's lowest.... |
| 18:36.58 | Skeeter- | yeah 40$ |
| 18:37.09 | Naikrovek | kkemp: sip signalling is so much more bandwidth intensive than iax2. it is rediculous |
| 18:37.21 | Skeeter- | plans suck, but i only use my PLAN on the road |
| 18:37.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: SIP bandwidth = irrelevent |
| 18:38.03 | Naikrovek | [TK]D-Fender: then howcome one can fit so many more calls over X amount of bandwidth if they're going over an IAX2 trunk |
| 18:38.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: because you are comparing 2 completely different things |
| 18:38.28 | kkemp | I'm surprised there hasn't been work on SIP trunking. Seems like such a no brainier feature |
| 18:38.35 | Naikrovek | i'm comparing a "sip trunk" to an iax trunk |
| 18:38.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: SIP sets up **RTP* calls |
| 18:38.41 | ecrane | Naikrovek: SIP = signalling. Calls = media. So it's 2 different things. |
| 18:38.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: SIP = irrelevent, RTP = relevent |
| 18:39.19 | Skeeter- | I wish we could only buy a data plan for the iphone |
| 18:39.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: And 1-1, RTP ~= IAX2. its when you Trunk with IAx2 that you get a payoff |
| 18:39.29 | ManxPower-work | Naikrovek: I commend you for putting "sip trunk" in quotes. |
| 18:39.45 | raden_work | what is the cheapest VOIP POTS Adapter with 2 lines that is of decent quality ? |
| 18:39.56 | ManxPower-work | raden_work: SIPura |
| 18:40.00 | [TK]D-Fender | raden_work: Linksys PAP2T-NA |
| 18:40.11 | raden_work | thats what I thought |
| 18:40.20 | raden_work | anyone know where I can get like 50-100 of them cheap ? |
| 18:40.32 | [TK]D-Fender | raden_work: telephonydepot.com |
| 18:40.32 | Naikrovek | i'm talking of iax trunking over "sip trunking" here |
| 18:40.50 | Naikrovek | not sip phone vs. iax phone |
| 18:41.11 | kkemp | Naikrovek: Yeah, they get what you mean. They are just saying that the actual data part of a SIP call isn't in SIP it is in RTP |
| 18:41.19 | Naikrovek | i know that |
| 18:41.25 | ecrane | I haven't used IAX2, but from the wikipedia article: When trunking, data from multiple calls are merged into a single stream of packets between two endpoints, reducing the IP overhead without creating additional latency. This is advantageous in VoIP transmissions, in which IP headers use a large percentage of bandwidth. |
| 18:41.35 | Naikrovek | they know i know that, they just like getting me riled up |
| 18:41.39 | kkemp | :) |
| 18:41.44 | ManxPower-work | Naikrovek: SIP, H323, MGCP, and SCCP/Skinny are all SIGNALING protocols. They all use RTP for audio. IAX2 is fairly unique in that it is one of the few protocols that can put signaling and audio in the same stream |
| 18:42.05 | Naikrovek | ManxPower-work: yeah i get it. we're on the same page here i just mis spoke or someone misread |
| 18:42.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: And If you are doing IAX to individual remote peers like phones you save nothing |
| 18:42.33 | ecrane | Naikrovek: So many people asking noob question in here, so when someone doesn't ask a question that's exactly right, they gotta check to make sure the person understands the question they are asking... |
| 18:42.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: Only savings is when trunked which usually only happens between multiple servers |
| 18:42.45 | Naikrovek | ecrane: i know |
| 18:42.48 | Naikrovek | [TK]D-Fender: i know |
| 18:42.52 | Naikrovek | everyone: i know |
| 18:42.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: And there are other ways to save bandwidth |
| 18:43.12 | ManxPower-work | cRTP is interesting, but not well supported outside of Cisco routers\ |
| 18:43.25 | Naikrovek | i have two offices, each with its own * server. phones are G711, trunk is IAX2 G729 |
| 18:43.32 | Naikrovek | trunk out to voice provider is G729 |
| 18:43.36 | Naikrovek | i understand how all this works |
| 18:43.49 | ecrane | How many VoIP calls can work smoothly on a T1 with a codec that sounds as good as POTS lines? |
| 18:44.06 | Naikrovek | ecrane: G729 on a T1 will get you something like 40 calls |
| 18:44.09 | Naikrovek | simultaneously |
| 18:44.15 | Naikrovek | and no one will know it's compressed |
| 18:44.20 | Qwell | You'll get way more than that with G.729 |
| 18:44.30 | Naikrovek | if it's an IAX2 trunk you'll get more |
| 18:44.34 | Naikrovek | if it's not, 40 |
| 18:44.44 | kkemp | ecrane: G.711 is right at 18 or so |
| 18:44.48 | ManxPower-work | Naikrovek: no, you won't. Not if the calls are all going to different destinations |
| 18:45.14 | Naikrovek | ManxPower-work: if they all go out the same IAX2 trunk to the same provider, yes you will |
| 18:45.22 | ecrane | Thanks for the numbers all! |
| 18:45.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: RTP+G.711 @ 20ms = 85kbps x2 = 170kbp/2s . RTP+G.711 @ 40ms = 85kbps = 149kbp/2s |
| 18:46.11 | florz | kbp/2s?! |
| 18:46.15 | Naikrovek | yes what are you saying |
| 18:46.19 | *** join/#asterisk davix (n=davix@212.199.161.41) |
| 18:46.44 | Naikrovek | oh he's showing how to get more calls per unit of bandwidth |
| 18:46.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: If youa re talking about a lof of IAx2 channels, yes IAX really pays. if you exten that by enlarging your frame size you save even more across smaller call-volumes |
| 18:46.55 | Naikrovek | gotcha |
| 18:47.05 | [TK]D-Fender | florz: Kilo-Bits per Two Seconds |
| 18:47.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: If you need it, use it, no argument. |
| 18:47.39 | Naikrovek | i know |
| 18:47.44 | Naikrovek | i use G729 between offices |
| 18:47.44 | [TK]D-Fender | yup |
| 18:47.49 | florz | Tim_Toady: "p/" means "per"? |
| 18:47.51 | Naikrovek | and to the provider |
| 18:47.53 | florz | erm |
| 18:47.59 | florz | [TK]D-Fender: "p/" means "per"? |
| 18:48.04 | Naikrovek | intra-office is g711, between offices is G729 |
| 18:48.07 | Skeeter- | Naikrovek, same here we got 10 g729 |
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| 18:49.34 | Skeeter- | i used wireshark to filter the banwith the g729 was using, it came up with 7kbps |
| 18:49.36 | Naikrovek | saved us a lot of bandwidth |
| 18:49.52 | Naikrovek | Skeeter-: digium has a nice page on G729 vs. G711 |
| 18:49.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: G723.1 :D |
| 18:50.08 | Skeeter- | Naikrovek, i know we bought it from there |
| 18:50.10 | Naikrovek | never used 723.1 |
| 18:50.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: 5.3 kbps |
| 18:50.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: now THAT is small |
| 18:50.37 | Naikrovek | speex can do that but they both sound crappy, no? |
| 18:50.38 | Skeeter- | [TK]D-Fender, how is the voice quality?? |
| 18:51.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: you can seriously afford to double your frame size right out of the gate, perphaps tripe, but if you hit a lossy connection you're in deep shit |
| 18:51.22 | Naikrovek | hehe |
| 18:51.28 | Naikrovek | "deep shit" lol |
| 18:51.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: You run Polycom's, right? |
| 18:51.33 | Naikrovek | ya |
| 18:51.39 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: Try it out locally |
| 18:51.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: Set 2 phones exclusive and fire it off |
| 18:51.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: You tell me. |
| 18:51.59 | Katty | 'yo wassup girl les be friends' <- apparently this line is supposed to make me want to befriend this random new person. |
| 18:52.01 | Naikrovek | i believe you |
| 18:52.14 | Katty | ^- i don't understand. |
| 18:52.15 | Naikrovek | Katty: jej |
| 18:52.19 | Naikrovek | um |
| 18:52.19 | Naikrovek | heh |
| 18:52.46 | ecrane | Katty: Tell them you are a boy. |
| 18:52.48 | Katty | it seems like Common Language for I'm absolutely retarded, let's be friends. |
| 18:53.05 | Katty | ecrane: oh it gets better. |
| 18:53.14 | [TK]D-Fender | "perhaps triple"* |
| 18:53.15 | [TK]D-Fender | GAH |
| 18:53.20 | Skeeter- | Naikrovek, gimme some feedback about that g723.1, i use polyucoms too |
| 18:53.22 | Katty | then they try to explain to me how they know me. by telling me i went to the same high school as they did. which i did not. |
| 18:53.25 | [TK]D-Fender | my typing has been degrading steadily lately... |
| 18:53.38 | Naikrovek | Skeeter-: g723.1 is [TK]D-Fender's territorry i think |
| 18:54.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: Never challenge a megalomaniac at Risk :D |
| 18:54.11 | Katty | and then after ALL of this, they say they don't know me they just want to be friends. |
| 18:54.13 | [TK]D-Fender | muahahahahaha *cough* |
| 18:54.28 | Naikrovek | lol |
| 18:54.28 | kkemp | My branch offices are connected over the internet with a RTT of ~80ms. Then add just under 40ms to my ITSP. So branch office calls are at about 110ms RTT before reaching the provider. Is that pretty reasonable? From what I've read call quality doesn't get bad until multiple hundreds of a ms |
| 18:54.37 | Katty | so FIRST outright lying and swindling, then 'yo wassup girl les be friends' talk. |
| 18:54.52 | Naikrovek | kkemp: lag isnt' really a difficulty until it gets really bad |
| 18:54.55 | Naikrovek | my other office is in india |
| 18:54.57 | Naikrovek | 400ms away |
| 18:54.59 | Naikrovek | calls are fine |
| 18:55.12 | Katty | Does this sort of behavior actually /work/ in general society? |
| 18:55.24 | Naikrovek | Katty: only on the internet |
| 18:55.35 | Naikrovek | Katty: and only for pre-teens |
| 18:55.58 | Katty | I think it's very clear I'm not a teenager anymore. |
| 18:56.07 | Katty | much less pre-teen |
| 18:56.20 | leifmadsen | Katty: I don't believe it! |
| 18:56.33 | Katty | leifmadsen: that's okay. you don't have to. |
| 18:56.39 | leifmadsen | that's true |
| 18:56.41 | kkemp | Naikrovek: Yeah, that seems to be what I've read and the calls of course sound just fine to me. I'm just a bit pissy that my traffic is going down the entire west coast and back for a trip that that's 50 miles as the crow flies :) |
| 18:56.55 | leifmadsen | I also don't believe in global warming or the taming of the shrew |
| 18:57.07 | Katty | i must remind myself that retards are everywhere. |
| 18:57.14 | Naikrovek | kkemp: when i lived in alaska it was like that. packets from one ISP to another in anchorage had to go through LA |
| 18:57.14 | leifmadsen | :) |
| 18:57.15 | Katty | no matter how much i try to hide. |
| 18:57.56 | Naikrovek | retards are a fact of life |
| 18:58.14 | Naikrovek | sometimes they hit on you. sometimes they employ you. sometimes you employ them. sometimes you marry into a family of them |
| 18:58.33 | Naikrovek | and i'm not talking intellectually challenged |
| 18:58.35 | Naikrovek | i'm talking retards |
| 18:59.32 | dlynes | Is there a way in asterisk to tell asterisk to send a reinvite to the other side to use ulaw, instead of g729? |
| 18:59.46 | dlynes | i.e. for an already existing conversation? |
| 18:59.55 | Naikrovek | mid phone call? no |
| 19:00.04 | dlynes | yes, mid phone call |
| 19:00.04 | Katty | let's try the retard comment on someone. |
| 19:00.10 | Katty | eppigy: yo girl wassup les be friends |
| 19:00.15 | Katty | eppigy: ^- translate please. |
| 19:00.43 | dlynes | Katty: les be...is that something like a lesbo? |
| 19:00.46 | Deeewayne | leifmadsen, I never knew you felt that way about the shrew |
| 19:01.04 | Katty | dlynes: i'm assuming it's a lazy form of Let's Be |
| 19:01.17 | dlynes | Katty: i know...I was being facetious :) |
| 19:02.04 | Katty | anywho. |
| 19:02.04 | ecrane | Katty: It's sort of like spam.. it doesn't work all the time but it works often enough for them to keep doing it. |
| 19:02.23 | *** join/#asterisk sjobeck (n=sjobeck@valdisere.sjobeck.com) |
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| 19:04.49 | RonDutt | What does a RED mean in lsdahdi? I'm guessing its red alarm but can't find much info on it online. |
| 19:05.06 | Gido-E | RonDutt on pri? |
| 19:05.32 | RonDutt | Gido-E, what do you mean? |
| 19:05.56 | ecrane | I'm no stranger to networking, I understand encapsualtion and overheads, etc. I just find it hilarious that a VoIP T1 using uncompressed G771 media can only carry 18 where the same T1 could carry 24 traditional trunks. Its like a 25% loss in capacity.. |
| 19:05.57 | RonDutt | Output of lsdahdi: http://pastebin.ca/1696946 |
| 19:05.58 | leifmadsen | Deeewayne: it's true! :0 |
| 19:06.03 | leifmadsen | RonDutt: I'd guess red alarm as well |
| 19:06.04 | leifmadsen | RonDutt: try dahdi_tool to confirm |
| 19:06.18 | leifmadsen | ecrane: that's the purpose of IAX2 trunking :) |
| 19:06.40 | RonDutt | leifmadsen, "no alarms, internally clocked" |
| 19:06.46 | leifmadsen | oh nevermind, you're using analog |
| 19:06.50 | RonDutt | Yep |
| 19:06.51 | [TK]D-Fender | ecrane: the math is simple, and not "funny" |
| 19:06.52 | leifmadsen | steps away.... very far away |
| 19:07.00 | RonDutt | lol |
| 19:07.35 | sjobeck | hey, hi, all, hope all are healthy, wealthy, wise. any openSER guys out there with a few consulting hours to sell? tune an existing install? |
| 19:07.36 | [TK]D-Fender | am I the only one that thinks that "dahdi tool" sounds... I dunno.. DIRTY? |
| 19:08.00 | Naikrovek | ecrane: it's because of the packet overhead, and G711 is better quality than standard POTS |
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| 19:08.12 | Qwell | ...what? |
| 19:08.14 | RonDutt | [TK]D-Fender, nope. Try telling a computer illiterate to run "daddy tool" |
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| 19:08.56 | Qwell | Naikrovek: You do realize that "standard POTS" *IS* G.711, right? |
| 19:09.08 | Naikrovek | Plain Old Telephone Service is analog |
| 19:09.12 | Naikrovek | analog != G711 |
| 19:09.17 | Qwell | ... |
| 19:09.18 | ecrane | Thanks all for the comments on the T1 thing. |
| 19:09.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: Well... G.711 + copper degradation from the loop itself. but not inherently much different... |
| 19:10.02 | DMeloUK | does anyone have any recommendations for a good ata for a fax machine? these ht-286 seem to drop half the calls |
| 19:10.10 | [TK]D-Fender | ecrane: Packet overhead says it all. 21 kbps waste per 64kbps call |
| 19:11.12 | raden_work | G.729 only puts load on the CPU in trans code right not pass through ? |
| 19:11.42 | Naikrovek | raden_work: correct |
| 19:12.00 | *** join/#asterisk momelod (n=smelo@CPE001f3a8fe859-CM0012c91df0bc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:12.00 | raden_work | just making sure |
| 19:12.03 | momelod | greetings channel |
| 19:12.24 | Naikrovek | but it will need to be transcoded in a lot more circumstanses than people realize |
| 19:12.26 | p3nguin | naikrovek: I was thinking that POTS and gsm were of comparable quality. |
| 19:12.32 | ecrane | Naikrovek: Realistically any POTS call you make will be carried across a DS0 at some point, and will be sampled at the same sample rate & same bits per sample as a DS0, so how is the quality better for G711? |
| 19:12.41 | Naikrovek | p3nguin: gsm is way worse than POTS |
| 19:13.19 | Naikrovek | ecrane: almost all telephony infrastructure is VoIP nowadays. there is a good chance that even your analog home line is converted to VoIP not far from your house |
| 19:13.30 | florz | ecrane: so, because it will be reduced to quality x at some point, it cannot be worse? interesting logic ... |
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| 19:13.40 | Katty | Qwell: i said whatwhat |
| 19:14.10 | ecrane | florz: no.. it's cause someone said that G.711 is BETTER then standard POTS line. That's what I was trying to understand. |
| 19:14.19 | Qwell | ecrane: He's simply wrong. |
| 19:14.21 | Naikrovek | ecrane: and G711 doesn't suffer from common analog phone issues such as static |
| 19:14.23 | p3nguin | ecrane: I guess if you match or beat the quality they are using, you're okay. |
| 19:14.23 | Qwell | it *IS* G.711. |
| 19:14.50 | Katty | i've only found two really good advantages to having pots lines |
| 19:14.54 | Naikrovek | Qwell: they're both lossless, but you don't hear static over a G711 connection |
| 19:14.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: Yes, G.711 is what encodes the static into bits at the collector :) |
| 19:15.01 | ecrane | So can G.711 roughly be described as a 'packetized' DS0? |
| 19:15.12 | Naikrovek | ecrane: G711 is lossless, uncompressed |
| 19:15.12 | Qwell | roughly? No. |
| 19:15.13 | Katty | one use is standard faxing, the other is power. |
| 19:15.17 | Qwell | Precisely? Yes. |
| 19:15.21 | Katty | specifically cheaper, power. |
| 19:15.24 | florz | Naikrovek: no, it's not |
| 19:15.30 | [TK]D-Fender | ecrane: CRB != packets. There is no real encapsulation |
| 19:15.46 | DMeloUK | Katty - could I ask you to elaborate a bit on that? |
| 19:15.56 | momelod | anyone here integrated asterisk w/ zimbra? |
| 19:15.57 | Katty | DMeloUK: on what |
| 19:15.57 | Naikrovek | florz: G711 is either ulaw or alaw. neither compress the stream, and therefore lose nothing in compression |
| 19:16.00 | Katty | DMeloUK: specifically |
| 19:16.07 | DMeloUK | on power |
| 19:16.16 | Katty | the entire building goes down, without power. |
| 19:16.22 | Katty | no router, switches, etc. |
| 19:16.23 | florz | Naikrovek: of course, they both do compress |
| 19:16.26 | DMeloUK | you mean from a dr perspective |
| 19:16.34 | Katty | it is extremely cheap to unplug a pots line and plug it into an ole analog phone |
| 19:16.36 | ecrane | gah.. what is CRB heh? I did a bing search for "CRB voip" but it didn't get a clear answer. |
| 19:16.55 | Katty | without the expense of running everything off battery backups. |
| 19:16.56 | DMeloUK | agreed and have you had any luck with getting standard faxing over voip? |
| 19:17.23 | Katty | voip isn't meant for faxing. |
| 19:17.35 | Katty | that's like asking me if i've had any luck using my blending to change my oil. |
| 19:17.41 | Katty | s/blending/blender/ |
| 19:17.43 | Naikrovek | florz: they don't compress. i think you're confusing encoding with compressing. they only sample 8000 times per second, so when a live, analog voice reaches the speaker, it's sampled 8000 times and loses quality there, but it is never compressed |
| 19:17.52 | DMeloUK | I have noticed there are some trunk providers offering fax friendly sip trunks |
| 19:17.54 | DMeloUK | I know |
| 19:17.55 | ecrane | Yeah so in terms of a voip codec that has MORE quality then a POTS line.. I'd imagine it would have to sample at a faster rate, or have more bits per sample or something like that in order to have better 'quality' ( Better quality would let me hear the on-hold music at higher fidelity then a POTS line ). |
| 19:17.57 | Katty | DMeloUK: the simple answer to that question is yes. and don't do it. |
| 19:18.14 | Katty | DMeloUK: especially if you recieve any volume of faxes. |
| 19:18.18 | Qwell | Naikrovek: You are completely wrong. Please stop confusing people. |
| 19:18.23 | florz | ecrane: well, literally, it doesn't make much sense - one is a codec, the other is a kind of telephone line. But if you consider that a "native G.711 line", as in "an ISDN line" uses an ADC/DAC much closer to the speaker/microphone, you'll notice that this removes a lot of analog stuff in between the converters and the microphone/speaker, which usually will improve quality. How much, obviously, depends on the exact properties of the line. |
| 19:18.27 | DMeloUK | Katty - its mostly for sending |
| 19:18.27 | Gido-E | DMeloUK i have good experiences with FaxOVoip |
| 19:18.31 | Naikrovek | then fucking correct me |
| 19:18.34 | Katty | DMeloUK: they definately don't do it. |
| 19:18.40 | Katty | s/they/then/ |
| 19:18.50 | ecrane | florz: ah.. thanks! |
| 19:18.52 | Katty | DMeloUK: go to sams club and buy a cheap fax machine. |
| 19:18.52 | Naikrovek | qwell if you're going to say that g711 is compressed, then fuckign say it |
| 19:19.10 | Naikrovek | but it isn't |
| 19:19.16 | Katty | DMeloUK: you're not going to buy a blender to change your oil. if you want reliability, don't cut corners. |
| 19:19.22 | leifmadsen | it's not really compressed; it's companded |
| 19:19.24 | Naikrovek | it is modulated but not compressed |
| 19:19.29 | Qwell | It is 8kHz on the wire. |
| 19:19.30 | Katty | companded? |
| 19:19.37 | Katty | infobot: companded? |
| 19:19.39 | florz | Naikrovek: ... which is a short form for "compressed and expanded", see? |
| 19:19.55 | leifmadsen | http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org/en/2nd_Edition/asterisk-book-html/asterisk-book.html#asterisk-CHP-7-SECT-2.1.4 |
| 19:20.00 | Katty | infobot: companded is <@leifmadsen> it's not really compressed; it's companded |
| 19:20.01 | infobot | Katty: okay |
| 19:20.02 | leifmadsen | infobot: companded is http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org/en/2nd_Edition/asterisk-book-html/asterisk-book.html#asterisk-CHP-7-SECT-2.1.4 |
| 19:20.02 | infobot | ...but companded is already something else... |
| 19:20.04 | DMeloUK | that's the point - if I cannot get POTS aat a client site |
| 19:20.10 | leifmadsen | infobot: no, companded is http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org/en/2nd_Edition/asterisk-book-html/asterisk-book.html#asterisk-CHP-7-SECT-2.1.4 |
| 19:20.11 | infobot | leifmadsen: okay |
| 19:20.14 | Katty | infobot: ~companded |
| 19:20.20 | DMeloUK | what's the best solution for outbound faxing? |
| 19:20.25 | leifmadsen | ~companded |
| 19:20.26 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, companded is http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org/en/2nd_Edition/asterisk-book-html/asterisk-book.html#asterisk-CHP-7-SECT-2.1.4 |
| 19:20.30 | DMeloUK | e.g. someone needs to sign something and send it back |
| 19:20.31 | Katty | DMeloUK: a Fax Machine |
| 19:20.33 | Naikrovek | if it were compression it would not be called something else |
| 19:20.34 | Katty | leifmadsen: good. |
| 19:20.34 | [TK]D-Fender | DMeloUK: Analog fax machine on analog line |
| 19:20.41 | ManxPower-work | DMeloUK: don't expect to run FaxOverVoiceOverIPOverIntrernet |
| 19:20.51 | DMeloUK | I agree 100% with that |
| 19:20.58 | ManxPower-work | if you can't get an analog line at the site then don't expect to have faxing work reliability |
| 19:21.00 | Katty | next we're going to have ToasterOverFaxoverVoIPoverInternets |
| 19:21.05 | Naikrovek | internet fax machines exist and work well |
| 19:21.07 | DMeloUK | hehehehe |
| 19:21.12 | DMeloUK | you mean t.38 ? |
| 19:21.29 | ManxPower-work | DMeloUK: t.38 is plagued with interop issues. |
| 19:21.30 | leifmadsen | hylafax attached to a PRI is also useful |
| 19:21.37 | Katty | DMeloUK: you might look at a cloud or software based solution, using printers. |
| 19:21.44 | florz | Naikrovek: just because the compression doesn't introduce any inter-sample dependencies, doesn't mean it's not compression |
| 19:21.45 | Katty | DMeloUK: and emails. |
| 19:21.51 | kkemp | DMeloUK: Check out the internet fax services. For $7 or so you can get an account with AccessLine.com that will accept incoming faxes and let you send faxes from a computer |
| 19:21.58 | Naikrovek | florz: i hate you. eat shit and die |
| 19:22.04 | Katty | :< |
| 19:22.11 | Katty | now look what you did! |
| 19:22.15 | p3nguin | hmm |
| 19:22.16 | Katty | he'll be back. |
| 19:22.21 | ManxPower-work | Yay! |
| 19:22.23 | florz | =:-) |
| 19:22.36 | Katty | i like Naikrovek thankyouverymuch |
| 19:22.56 | Katty | :P |
| 19:23.10 | Katty | now i must know if there is a toaster with an IP address |
| 19:23.16 | ecrane | It wasn't my intention to stir the pot with my questions, I just wanted to understand the VoIP process better. Sorry if I contributed to all that! |
| 19:23.17 | DMeloUK | thanks for the advice |
| 19:23.24 | p3nguin | Only the ones running NetBSD |
| 19:23.52 | sjobeck | shout out to leifmadsen |
| 19:23.52 | ManxPower-work | The ones running NetBSD are the real sickos |
| 19:24.00 | leifmadsen | sjobeck: hollah! |
| 19:24.44 | ecrane | if someone DDOSes your toaster, what would you expect to happen to the toast? |
| 19:24.54 | Katty | http://epictoast.com/2009/02/toast-over-ip-the-worlds-first-internet-toaster/ <- dear lord. there is Toast over IP |
| 19:25.07 | kkemp | ecrane: Fail safe mode would eject the toast and turn off! |
| 19:25.44 | leifmadsen | Katty: what is even funnier is there is a blog for toast enthusiasts |
| 19:25.46 | ecrane | So someone could DDOS and you could never have toast! |
| 19:26.04 | Gido-E | cronjob |
| 19:26.05 | Katty | ecrane: :< |
| 19:26.09 | Katty | yes |
| 19:26.13 | Katty | we could cronjob the toast |
| 19:26.14 | Katty | and the coffee |
| 19:26.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Katty: My * used to make me coffee. toast is not impressive |
| 19:26.26 | Katty | now about the eggs...hmm. |
| 19:26.44 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: toast is always impressive. |
| 19:26.50 | [TK]D-Fender | [14:25]<kkemp>ecrane: Fail safe mode would eject the toast and turn off! <- 3 Laws Safe! |
| 19:27.03 | ecrane | considers writing a firewall for toasters. |
| 19:27.34 | Katty | this makes me wonder how many people have Network Enabled stoves sitting on a public ip |
| 19:28.00 | DMeloUK | I have clients with ip enabled wine dispensers |
| 19:28.02 | Qwell | Katty: fridges are more likely |
| 19:28.13 | Qwell | or washing machines |
| 19:28.32 | Katty | i'd love an IP enabled washer and dryer. |
| 19:28.40 | Qwell | they exist |
| 19:28.51 | Katty | i imagine they're a bit out of my range |
| 19:28.58 | ecrane | I'd love a machine that can wash and dry my clothes that didn't take 4 hours to do it. |
| 19:29.04 | Qwell | LGE has achieved a world-first with its commercially viable digital washer. This leading-edge home network product can continually download new wash-cycle programs from the Internet for different kinds of clothing. It features a 4.2-inch LCD window and 4Mbit flash memory. |
| 19:29.08 | Gido-E | normally it is more advanced and has an speech interface and is called: wife |
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| 19:29.31 | Katty | Gido-E: i don't appreciate that comment. |
| 19:29.39 | Gido-E | Katty i new :-) |
| 19:29.44 | Katty | k |
| 19:31.40 | ecrane | Seriously, is there some conspiracy among washer/dryer manufactures where none of them will make a single machine to wash/dry clothes? The only one I could find carries tiny tiny loads, runs on 110 volts and takes 4 hours to run. |
| 19:32.21 | kkemp | ecrane: I think electricity and water don't mix very well :) |
| 19:32.30 | Katty | ecrane: i usually don't pay attention to it. i just throw a load in before i go to bed, then put away the next morning when i get up |
| 19:33.17 | Katty | ecrane: sometimes i start the wash in the morning and throw it in the dryer in the evening, too |
| 19:33.50 | leifmadsen | OT: Celebrate toast! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BILAFuSi-i0 |
| 19:34.04 | ecrane | well it's just (ok really off topic), but in terms of space and efficiency, one machine would be nice. People typically buy machines in pairs so when one breaks you might end up replacing both. And they just HAVE to match... so we end up paying $800/each for a nice machine. Makes me think conspiracy ^^. |
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| 19:36.03 | [TK]D-Fender | ecrane: A machine that uses a lot of electricty around a heating element and a water source? Sounds like an electrocution risk on failure |
| 19:38.36 | ecrane | I dunno the mechanics of how a regular electric dryer works. It doesn't have the heating element directly on the clothes, heating element is someplace else and air blows across it right? So it should be possible to isolate the heating element from the water pretty well. Or how about using gas instead of electricity... anyways really off topic and I'm just complaining so I'll shut up now. |
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| 19:40.07 | ManxPower-work | there are washer/dryers out there. |
| 19:40.25 | kkemp | ecrane: I would think the reliability, performance, and cost of one unit causes it not to be a high demand item except in a very small space where there isn't room for both |
| 19:40.46 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower-work: Within the same bin? Not talking the same outer casing, I mean without having to transfer them |
| 19:41.24 | chuckf | [TK]D-Fender: my sis in law has one in a NY apt (very popular there) |
| 19:41.46 | ManxPower-work | [TK]D-Fender: without having to transfer them |
| 19:41.58 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower-work: interesting.... |
| 19:42.21 | [TK]D-Fender | chuckf: not just a double-stacked one? where its all in 1 drum? |
| 19:42.30 | ecrane | chuckf: how's the capacity? And how long does the cycle take to run? |
| 19:42.32 | ManxPower-work | I want one that heats the water by pulling the heat from the future dry cycle. Time travel isn't THAT difficult! |
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| 19:43.05 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower-work: the Maytag guy is all out of Flux capacitors |
| 19:43.23 | chuckf | [TK]D-Fender: http://bit.ly/5EqLKy |
| 19:43.24 | TheDavidFactor | doing a google search for combo washer dryer turned up several all-in-one single drum units |
| 19:44.44 | [TK]D-Fender | chuckf: Not at all unreasonably priced either. I am somewhat more enlightened today. Thanks |
| 19:44.54 | ManxPower-work | I only know about them because forgot to skip the commercial on my TiVo |
| 19:44.56 | ecrane | I guess if I need more 'capacity' I could buy 2 washer/dryer combo units heh. |
| 19:45.01 | chuckf | [TK]D-Fender: cool |
| 19:45.39 | chuckf | [TK]D-Fender: glad I could help you out after your beatings^H^H^H^H^H^H help here in the channel |
| 19:45.48 | chuckf | :) |
| 19:45.56 | ManxPower-work | chuckf: he only (mostly) beats people that deserve it |
| 19:46.07 | [TK]D-Fender | ecrane: you can bet that it takes longer to do its job than dedicated machines with a lower capacity, and thats per single-load. Fo multi-load it is clearly a loser. |
| 19:47.16 | RonDutt | Probably something no one here will help with, but I'll ask anyway: What is the proper way to set up a custom DAHDI route to use a group rather than having to specify the lines/ports to use? |
| 19:47.24 | [TK]D-Fender | chuckf: You're a schmuck^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwelcome :) |
| 19:47.44 | kkemp | wow, new front load washers have new features to work on the smelly washer syndrome. Special cycle for cleaning, "dynamic venting technology" and a fan that keeps wet clothes "fresh" for 10 hours |
| 19:48.19 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower-work: the rest are preemptive beatings to make sure people stay in line :p |
| 19:48.23 | RonDutt | kkemp, any specific one? I HATE the smelly washer syndrome smell... |
| 19:49.02 | kkemp | RonDutt: Yeah, worst thing ever.. I've been leaving the door open on mine and that seems to take care of it for the most part. http://www.whirlpool.com/catalog/product.jsp?src=WASHERS&cat=115&prod=1868 |
| 19:49.05 | ecrane | kkemp: How about the ultimate fix for smelly washer syndrome... don't buy a front loader ^^. There are top loaders that lack agitators. |
| 19:49.28 | ecrane | kkemp: but it's nice to know some work is being done on the problem. |
| 19:49.37 | RonDutt | ecrane, I have a top loader, if clothes are left for more than 5 hours after it finishes, the smell, oh gawd the smell... |
| 19:50.13 | kkemp | ecrane: Yeah, seems like a nice modern top loaders is just as a front loader now |
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| 19:50.29 | Naikrovek | I apologize to what's his name |
| 19:50.32 | Naikrovek | starts with an F |
| 19:50.53 | leifmadsen | florz: |
| 19:51.20 | Naikrovek | yeah |
| 19:51.21 | Naikrovek | that's it |
| 19:51.23 | Naikrovek | sorry, florz |
| 19:51.24 | Naikrovek | was mad |
| 19:51.36 | Naikrovek | still stand by my G711 is not compressed over the wire position though |
| 19:51.44 | Naikrovek | because it isn't. |
| 19:52.17 | florz | =:-) |
| 19:52.43 | florz | Naikrovek: well, but what makes compression compression, then? |
| 19:52.51 | ecrane | Naikrovek: Yeah I think everyone agrees with that claim (I hope?). |
| 19:53.43 | Naikrovek | florz: g711, as previously stated, is companded to reduce dynamic range. don't need subwoofer sounds over a phone. the resulting waveform, AFTER COMPANDING is what is sent |
| 19:53.48 | Naikrovek | that waveform is NOT compressed |
| 19:53.49 | p3nguin | ecrane: That was the problem... there was disagreement. |
| 19:53.59 | ManxPower-work | From my point of view G711 is compressed. It takes up much less bandwidth than a CD stream. But from a "compression screws up some types of audio", then no it's not compressed. |
| 19:54.21 | Naikrovek | ManxPower-work:it's not cd quality sound either, because of the reduced dynamic range |
| 19:54.33 | florz | ManxPower-work: but then FLAC isn't compressed, either? |
| 19:54.45 | Naikrovek | finally a chance to change topic |
| 19:54.54 | Naikrovek | why isn't there a flac-like voip codec |
| 19:54.55 | Katty | hugs Naikrovek |
| 19:54.55 | ManxPower-work | Naikrovek: so they toss out some frequencies to reduce bandwidth -- sounds like compression to me. |
| 19:55.09 | Naikrovek | not compression. that's straight up loss |
| 19:55.10 | ManxPower-work | Naikrovek: There is. |
| 19:55.17 | ManxPower-work | See G722 |
| 19:55.19 | Katty | Naikrovek: i'm glad you are back! |
| 19:55.20 | florz | Naikrovek: Well, but what does that have to do with "subwoofer sounds"?! |
| 19:55.27 | Naikrovek | if i cut a piece of paper in half i'm not compressing it |
| 19:55.29 | Naikrovek | i'm chopping part off |
| 19:55.34 | ManxPower-work | well, not flac-lossless but flac-wideband |
| 19:55.37 | Naikrovek | 711 chops off the non-voice parts of the audio |
| 19:56.16 | florz | Naikrovek: G.711 doesn't do any explicit frequency-domain changes (as in: none except for the noise introduced by the reduction in codepoints) |
| 19:56.26 | Naikrovek | G722 is just a higher-bandwidth, less-dynamic range cut off, not cmpressed, right |
| 19:57.50 | florz | Naikrovek: Well, but that "chopping off the non-voice parts" really is more due to the sampling frequency, which tends to happen at the A/D border already |
| 19:58.04 | ecrane | In my mind, less dynamic-range cut off can indicate higher 'quality'. |
| 19:58.04 | kkemp | By the looking at the word it self isn't companding compression? compressing and expanding; thus there is compression? |
| 19:58.45 | florz | Naikrovek: the part of G.711 that I'd consider "compression" is the part about reducing the dynamic resolution (the range really doesn't change much) |
| 19:58.47 | p3nguin | But what is being compressed and what is being expanded? |
| 19:58.48 | Qwell | Naikrovek: Compression is NOT loss |
| 19:58.57 | p3nguin | and loss is not compression. |
| 19:58.59 | ManxPower-work | kkemp: Doesn't really matter. From the standpoint of codecs and voice and voip, it is considered "uncompressed", regardless of if it is compressed or not. |
| 19:59.43 | ecrane | Yeah.. I would think we can ignore any 'compression' that occurs at the A/D border and for this conversation the word compression means lossless or lossful methods of getting the data from phone A to phone b....... |
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| 20:00.18 | ecrane | But I'm no expert.. |
| 20:01.26 | florz | at least it's pretty unusual to count the A/D conversion as compression - it's a lossy process, obviously, but compression in the computer science sense tends to apply to digital data only |
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| 20:02.02 | p3nguin | I'm still trying to determine if I _need_ to use g729 or if it would be worthless to me. |
| 20:02.24 | florz | and in that sends, G.711 is obviously a compression algorithm, for it reduces some amount of data to a smaller amount of data that represents the same information |
| 20:03.04 | florz | erm |
| 20:03.04 | florz | s/sends/sense/ |
| 20:03.05 | kkemp | p3nguin: Should be pretty simple to figure out? Bandwidth/number of concurrent calls needed. |
| 20:03.06 | [TK]D-Fender | p3nguin: If you aren't out of BW, you don't need it :) |
| 20:03.46 | p3nguin | I guess I don't need it, then, 'cause I have plenty of bandwidth left with my current call volume. |
| 20:04.46 | Naikrovek | Qwell: i understand that compression is not loss |
| 20:05.00 | ecrane | florz: What 'smaller' amount of data is carried by G.711? Do you mean the silence gaps, or do you mean like, how it can take an analog signal (which requires an infinite amount of data to carry) and after digitization pass it along and reproduce it someplace. |
| 20:05.03 | Naikrovek | companding is loss, however. that dynamic range doesn't come back as it does with compression |
| 20:06.17 | florz | ecrane: well, G.711 doesn't really take an analog signal, but rather a linear PCM signal as its input |
| 20:08.06 | florz | ecrane: as in: G.711 tends not to be implemented as analog circuitry |
| 20:08.44 | ecrane | florz: ok, then are you saying G.711 reduces the 'size' of the date in the LPCM stream that it takes in before transmission? (Is that what you mean when you say G.711 does 'some' compression?) |
| 20:09.16 | ecrane | florz: By applying alaw/ulaw? |
| 20:12.32 | Naikrovek | ecrane: i think this conversation has kinda petered out |
| 20:12.39 | Naikrovek | what kind of tape backup drives do you guys use |
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| 20:14.38 | RonDutt | Naikrovek, the "cloud" ;) |
| 20:14.55 | Naikrovek | i have too much data for that |
| 20:15.22 | RonDutt | run your own, cheaper faster and more failsafe than tape |
| 20:15.23 | Naikrovek | would pay more per month in bandwidth than it would cost to buy a new tape drive or two |
| 20:15.44 | Naikrovek | well i have a requirement that old backups be taken off site |
| 20:15.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Clouds EvAPORATE <- |
| 20:15.59 | Kobaz | haha |
| 20:16.01 | [TK]D-Fender | points to the Sidekick |
| 20:16.03 | Naikrovek | and unless i want to raid 5-6 external USB drives every day ... |
| 20:16.04 | ecrane | As far as backups go, I've found using a bunch of USB drives and RSYNC to be faster and cheaper then buying a specialized tape-backup drive and it's tapes and dealing with drivers/backup software/etc. |
| 20:16.15 | Kobaz | [TK]D-Fender: it's a nice option for mirroring stuff |
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| 20:16.16 | Naikrovek | well listen to this first |
| 20:16.38 | ecrane | Yeah how many bytes do you need to backup? |
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| 20:16.43 | Naikrovek | my NAS vendor has a tape drive I can get for $7k. but it's not just a tape drive, it's got 24 empty slots and a robotic arm that moves tapes in and out of the drive for me |
| 20:16.47 | Naikrovek | they're 800GB tapes |
| 20:16.52 | RonDutt | [TK]D-Fender, I doubt the major clouds are goin' anywhere (Amazon, etc). Personally, make your own "cloud" with a couple offsite servers on cogent or other cheapo bandwidth. Most datacenters sell the machines, not the pipe |
| 20:16.52 | Naikrovek | 1.6TB compressed |
| 20:16.58 | florz | ecrane: yeah - or even if you do it without transmission ;-) |
| 20:17.06 | Kobaz | [TK]D-Fender: i have a family subscription to crashplan, it's like 130 bucks for 3 years... and i back up 6 computers with it... so that works out to be like 7 bucks a computer, per year |
| 20:17.06 | Naikrovek | and they don't require any backup software to use it |
| 20:17.18 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: LTO4? |
| 20:17.21 | Naikrovek | [TK]D-Fender: yes |
| 20:17.30 | Kobaz | [TK]D-Fender: that combined with local backup... is pretty solid... i couldn't do it myself for that price |
| 20:17.43 | ecrane | The tape drive is 7k but how much do the tapes cost? You can buy a bunch of 2TB external USB/Esata drives for a lot less then 7k. But no robot arm :<. |
| 20:17.47 | [TK]D-Fender | Naikrovek: I'm on LTO3 here nad getting clsoe to native limit... of course I could trim stuff off mine to last quite a while longer. |
| 20:17.53 | Naikrovek | ecrane: $47 each tape |
| 20:17.57 | [TK]D-Fender | I also rsync my Samba server locally... |
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| 20:18.15 | florz | ecrane: kindof: the whole point of G.711 is the size reduction of data while preserving the information, which is exactly the definition of a compression algorithm |
| 20:18.41 | surlyjake | is there any way to configure asterisk as a Video Conference room? just like you can an audio conference room? |
| 20:18.43 | ManxPower-work | florz: so then MP3 is not compresses, since you lose information in the compression |
| 20:18.48 | [TK]D-Fender | surlyjake: No. |
| 20:19.10 | Naikrovek | surlyjake: that would be awesome |
| 20:19.44 | Kobaz | Naikrovek: get a bunch of hard drives.. cycle them offsite frequently.. and use something like par2 to make sure you can recover data if you get hard drive flakeyness |
| 20:19.56 | Naikrovek | Kobaz: but i have terabytes of data and a requirement to keep data for 6 months |
| 20:20.06 | Kobaz | so get terabytes of storage |
| 20:20.07 | Naikrovek | 4TB of data |
| 20:20.15 | Naikrovek | tapes are cheaper at that scale |
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| 20:20.27 | surlyjake | Naikrovek: tell me about ... I have some netBSD-based appliance from "codian" that does it, just trying to find out what FOSS applications can do it. |
| 20:20.29 | ecrane | ManxPower-work: Well the idea is that the MP3 saves all the 'relevent' information, same with alaw/ulaw. But yes as you know, if you're talking about starting with cd-quality audio, mp3/alaw/ulaw does not preserve all the bits, whereas FLAC does. But MP3 (arguably) just as good as the original and so are alaw/ulaw. |
| 20:20.44 | florz | ManxPower-work: "information" != "data" - MP3 does remove data, but it doesn't remove any information at the level of interpretation that you intend to use the data for |
| 20:20.49 | Naikrovek | surlyjake: cuseeme maybe |
| 20:20.52 | rbd | hey guys....do you guys consider the 1.6.0/1.6.1 branches suitable for production use? how solid are they compaired with something like 1.4.27? |
| 20:21.08 | Naikrovek | rbd: yes they're fine as far as i know |
| 20:21.14 | Naikrovek | rbd: get a second opinion |
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| 20:21.22 | Kobaz | rbd: 1.4 is going to be the most solid, 1.6.0 is pretty good, i've only run across a few crashes and oddidites, but they have been fixed in the newest releases |
| 20:21.39 | Kobaz | rbd: as you get higher in versions, the stuff is less mature... generally |
| 20:21.40 | ecrane | The other advantage of using USB drives for backup instead of tapes.... much easier to recover data on another machine, etc. It doesn't require someone who knows how to use the 7k tape robot to do something as simple as recover a file that got accidentally deleted... |
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| 20:22.04 | Kobaz | well |
| 20:22.20 | Kobaz | ecrane: you can keep the historic stuff on tapes. keep the current week's worth of crap on the hdd's |
| 20:22.21 | florz | ManxPower-work: same with G.711:: obviously, you cannot reconstruct the original bitream from the compressed form - but in the application you are using it for it doesn't lose any information |
| 20:23.19 | Naikrovek | i already have a d2d2t system but without the 't' part |
| 20:23.27 | Naikrovek | so i have recent backups on disk already |
| 20:23.34 | Naikrovek | going back 30 days, in the form of snapshots |
| 20:23.35 | Kobaz | rbd: 1.6.0 is pretty damn good, as far as i've seen... i've got some boxes with several weeks uptime, with 400k+ calls |
| 20:23.43 | Naikrovek | need to archive that junk for 6mo |
| 20:23.54 | Naikrovek | want to do it to tape, but can't find a cheaper system than what I've proposed |
| 20:24.01 | Naikrovek | nor a more elegant system at any price |
| 20:24.01 | ecrane | ManxPower-work: does that makes sense? What I said and what florz said? For example, the 'information' in the case of a voice call is human speech. The A/D, ulaw/alaw, bit rate and sample size were all designed to carry all the 'information' necessary for human speech to work. A lot of frequencies that might get picked up by the phones microphone are cut during the the A/D conversion and ulaw/alaw process, but the 'information' (as far as |
| 20:24.02 | ecrane | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.31 | Kobaz | errotan: not exactly |
| 20:24.44 | Kobaz | errotan: it's more like a 'best range' to carry human speech |
| 20:24.55 | Naikrovek | the loss happens inside the phone before it becomes a bitstream. the bitstream is not compressed. |
| 20:25.12 | errotan | Kobaz: you are talking to the wrong person :) |
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| 20:25.19 | Kobaz | heh |
| 20:25.30 | florz | Naikrovek: you mean, like, telephones implement G.711 in analog circuitry? |
| 20:25.56 | Kobaz | anyways |
| 20:25.57 | Kobaz | back to work |
| 20:26.11 | Naikrovek | florz: i'm talking about the data that leaves the phone |
| 20:26.26 | Naikrovek | internal stuff is a cloud and i dont' care about what goes on in there |
| 20:26.54 | Naikrovek | when it leaves the phone, and becomes something i care about, g711 is a packetized WAV file |
| 20:27.08 | florz | Naikrovek: so G.729 isn't compression either when it happens inside the phone? |
| 20:27.23 | Naikrovek | it's not a plain WAV file when it leaves the phone |
| 20:27.33 | florz | what is a "plain WAV file"? |
| 20:27.37 | Naikrovek | i give up |
| 20:27.41 | Naikrovek | you win already |
| 20:27.44 | Naikrovek | you're right i'm wrong |
| 20:27.46 | Naikrovek | on everything |
| 20:27.50 | Naikrovek | what should i have for dinner |
| 20:27.54 | florz | a RIFF container with GSM inside, is that a "plain WAV file"?! |
| 20:28.01 | florz | =:-) |
| 20:28.02 | Naikrovek | i would guess myself but someone in here will argue with me |
| 20:28.45 | ecrane | Naikrovek: I see now why you were frustrated. Maybe florz is being a little difficult ^^. But I'm an outsider here.... |
| 20:28.48 | *** join/#asterisk KavanS (n=KavanS@static-173-50-141-22.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) |
| 20:28.52 | leifmadsen | ~g711 |
| 20:28.57 | Naikrovek | everyone in here loves getting me riled up |
| 20:29.00 | Naikrovek | it's a hobby |
| 20:29.07 | leifmadsen | infobot: g711 is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.711 |
| 20:29.07 | infobot | leifmadsen: okay |
| 20:29.33 | p3nguin | naikrovek: Pork chop, baked potato, sweet corn? |
| 20:29.36 | leifmadsen | wikipedia says G.711 both companded and compressed, so discussion over. Everyone is right! (wrong!) |
| 20:30.00 | leifmadsen | I like peas more than corn |
| 20:30.00 | Naikrovek | i'm goign to edit that wikipedia document to support my point of view just like florz did for his |
| 20:30.02 | ecrane | naikrovek: tofurkey sandwich |
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| 20:44.30 | eppigy | Katty: that means he wants to see what you're about |
| 20:44.40 | eppigy | and possibly start a romantic relationship |
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| 20:49.32 | wolfeyes | If jkroon is in the house I really need to talk to you please. |
| 20:50.37 | [TK]D-Fender | wolfeyes: You can read the userlist jsut like everybody else and not ask out loud what is right in front of your eyes :) |
| 20:51.38 | wolfeyes | Well maybe the person is hiding under another nic, "Ever think of that?" |
| 20:52.32 | wolfeyes | I noticed a nic similar but they never answered yesterday when I messaged them! |
| 20:52.48 | [TK]D-Fender | wolfeyes: Keep grabbing at the dark for whatever you may find :) |
| 20:52.57 | [TK]D-Fender | wolfeyes: So what is it that only he can help you with? |
| 20:53.25 | [TK]D-Fender | (feel anyway)* |
| 20:53.27 | wolfeyes | That's what I just did and you kind of complained or moaned |
| 20:53.31 | wolfeyes | Anyway.... |
| 20:53.51 | wolfeyes | Looking at voip and software and hardware attached to that. |
| 20:54.36 | [TK]D-Fender | wolfeyes: Ok, those are vague topics. How about a few specific questions? |
| 20:54.47 | wolfeyes | I am very new in the game and was wondering if it is better to start off trying to put stuff together with people like yours help, or joining a company? |
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| 20:56.04 | wolfeyes | Only problem is.... If I join a company, they aren't in the area and I have to sign a contract to not work in the same field for after a year in the same area after I resign from them, which I am sure freelancing woiuld be much better! |
| 20:56.27 | wolfeyes | would* |
| 20:56.52 | Naikrovek | you don't have to be employed with a voip company to deploy a voip system |
| 20:57.03 | kkemp | Can you feed yourself with your freelance work? |
| 20:59.19 | wolfeyes | yes I can |
| 20:59.23 | wolfeyes | That is my point |
| 20:59.35 | wolfeyes | but where do I learn? |
| 21:00.00 | wolfeyes | I know there is basic stuff and I found it very interesting |
| 21:00.36 | wolfeyes | and most of the stuff nowdays is already programmed and I would make more on the sales if I did it personally. |
| 21:01.15 | kkemp | Books, internet, playing with things, etc. Not sure if people here recommend Switchvox but I think it's great for getting real systems up without having to know Asterisk beforehand |
| 21:02.28 | *** join/#asterisk dkirker (n=dkirker@pcp065223pcs.wireless.calpoly.edu) |
| 21:02.28 | Naikrovek | ~book |
| 21:02.29 | infobot | [~book] Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF at http://www.asteriskdocs.org --- HTML at http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org or see ~buybook |
| 21:02.29 | Naikrovek | ~thebook |
| 21:02.29 | infobot | from memory, thebook is Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org |
| 21:02.29 | Naikrovek | wtf |
| 21:02.30 | Naikrovek | www.asteriskdocs.org |
| 21:02.30 | Naikrovek | i think |
| 21:02.31 | Naikrovek | wolfeyes: read that book |
| 21:02.35 | Naikrovek | there ya go |
| 21:02.37 | Naikrovek | lagging |
| 21:03.03 | wolfeyes | You see now that is useful |
| 21:03.14 | wolfeyes | ty guys |
| 21:03.31 | Naikrovek | how in the HELL was I the first one to suggest the book in that case |
| 21:03.43 | Naikrovek | i even went to take a leak after he asked the questino and before i answered |
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| 21:10.29 | heliosj | scrolls back |
| 21:10.36 | heliosj | shakes his head |
| 21:10.36 | ManxPower-work | ~answers |
| 21:10.37 | infobot | hmm... answers is Asterisk Book: http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org & SIP w/ NAT: http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 & Wiki: http://www.voip-info.org & docs: /path/to/src/asterisk/doc & 1.4 .vs. 1.6.0 .vs. 1.6.1: : /path/to/src/asterisk/UPGRADE*.txt |
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| 21:16.05 | wolfeyes | sorry about that |
| 21:16.21 | Naikrovek | sorry about what |
| 21:16.25 | wolfeyes | I tried answering Naikrovek , very funny thou, I was laughing |
| 21:16.36 | wolfeyes | gettign cut off and not answering like that! |
| 21:16.40 | Naikrovek | oh |
| 21:16.43 | Naikrovek | okay |
| 21:16.50 | Corydon76-dig | [15:06:14] Signoff: wolfeyes (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) |
| 21:17.01 | wolfeyes | I will look into those books, they will help I am sure |
| 21:17.09 | wolfeyes | eish |
| 21:17.12 | wolfeyes | why so |
| 21:17.13 | Naikrovek | well it's just one book, and yes it will |
| 21:17.40 | wolfeyes | Thats 3mins, more like I was kicked out |
| 21:17.56 | wolfeyes | oh well at least I am learning or getting the chance to learn |
| 21:18.46 | wolfeyes | Anyone else interested in voip here and from South Africa? |
| 21:18.55 | wolfeyes | Canada maybe? |
| 21:19.02 | heliosj | wolfeyes: Where in .za? |
| 21:19.14 | Naikrovek | there are a few .ca and .za folks in here |
| 21:20.14 | wolfeyes | Don't really think the where abouts in south africa matters, only that you have more info on the local news than what I do! |
| 21:20.45 | Naikrovek | he wasn't asking because he's a stalker |
| 21:21.06 | Naikrovek | he was asking because his roommate is a stalker and wants to kill you. |
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| 21:21.23 | ManxPower-work | Can anyone think of a reason for these polarity reversal messages other than "vendor lied to us about signaling"? http://pastebin.ca/1697189 |
| 21:21.30 | wolfeyes | oooooooooo a stalker, I need attention lol |
| 21:21.31 | heliosj | I was asking because I have clients in Cape Town and it'd be nice to have more contacts around there. |
| 21:21.45 | Naikrovek | i figured it was something like that |
| 21:21.48 | wolfeyes | Ah man |
| 21:21.49 | Naikrovek | but wanted to make a joke of it |
| 21:21.54 | wolfeyes | lol |
| 21:22.05 | wolfeyes | I beat ya to it then |
| 21:22.31 | wolfeyes | ok heliosj so you are busy with this then? |
| 21:23.01 | heliosj | This being..? |
| 21:23.09 | wolfeyes | Voip |
| 21:23.19 | heliosj | Busy enough, I guess. |
| 21:23.30 | wolfeyes | interesting |
| 21:23.43 | heliosj | ManxPower-work: Vendor lied to you about signaling? *ducks* |
| 21:23.47 | wolfeyes | May I msg you there heliosj please? |
| 21:23.53 | heliosj | I guess so. |
| 21:24.00 | wolfeyes | lol |
| 21:24.13 | wolfeyes | That sounds so enthusiastic |
| 21:26.27 | wolfeyes | so what work you do Naikrovek ? |
| 21:27.01 | Naikrovek | system admin for a company in the US. we write ECM firmware for, and do testing on, diesel engines. |
| 21:27.09 | Naikrovek | ECM = electronic control module |
| 21:27.12 | Naikrovek | for those that don't know |
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| 21:28.40 | [TK]D-Fender | checkout time, later all |
| 21:29.34 | wolfeyes | wow thats interesing, seems computers are endless |
| 21:29.44 | Naikrovek | yeah |
| 21:31.01 | wolfeyes | I saw some guys working woth it in the laiths, Uuum what they call that langauge again? |
| 21:31.13 | wolfeyes | scratches head |
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| 21:31.40 | wolfeyes | <----- to lazy to google it but I will get it back to me |
| 21:31.58 | p3nguin | cnc? |
| 21:32.13 | p3nguin | CAD/CAM? |
| 21:33.15 | toresbe | COBOL? |
| 21:33.25 | p3nguin | FORTRAN? |
| 21:33.39 | toresbe | G-code? |
| 21:33.46 | p3nguin | BASIC? |
| 21:33.47 | ecrane | lolcode? |
| 21:34.08 | p3nguin | Seems like he ran off to google to try to figure it out. |
| 21:35.17 | wolfeyes | G-code yes |
| 21:35.30 | wolfeyes | loo code lol shakes head to funny |
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| 21:36.07 | wolfeyes | I saw a bit of cobol too but more G-code |
| 21:36.25 | wolfeyes | I was thinking of learnign that, just the funds to get started, eish |
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| 21:41.55 | bpgoldsb | I'm using AEL. I do a '&something(params)', which should be a gosub. Inside the gosub, ${EXTEN} is being changed to 's'. When it's comes out of the gosub, it's not being set back. Is that normal? |
| 21:42.35 | ManxPower-work | bpgoldsb: no. |
| 21:43.13 | bpgoldsb | So, it should be changed back to the value pre-gosub, yes? |
| 21:43.31 | sflemming | Hello, could someone give me a hint how to find information related to a HFC-S setup with Asterisk 1.6.1.11 and dahdi? Asterisk and DAHDI is installed on gentoo. I googled for tutorials or manuals but do not really know how to start. I'm happy for all kind of help. |
| 21:43.37 | ManxPower-work | bpgoldsb: yes |
| 21:43.50 | bpgoldsb | Well w-t-f |
| 21:44.15 | ManxPower-work | bpgoldsb: It's been a while since I did AEL, but from memory that is it. |
| 21:44.36 | bpgoldsb | ManxPower-work, I believe you're correct, because I believe it's doing that elsewhere in my code just find |
| 21:45.06 | bpgoldsb | I'd think it's related to the code in this particular gosub, but that'll be fun figuring out |
| 21:46.06 | ManxPower-work | bpgoldsb: I could see if you set a EXTEN as a global variable |
| 21:46.34 | bpgoldsb | Nope, I don't touch the value of it |
| 21:46.39 | bpgoldsb | Just referencing the built-in |
| 21:47.18 | eppigy | ausome |
| 21:47.29 | bpgoldsb | Hmm, it looks like AEL changes ${EXTEN} to ${~~EXTEN~~} when it builds the old-dialplan code |
| 21:49.40 | *** join/#asterisk [TK]D-Fender (n=joe@64.235.218.194) |
| 21:50.07 | Kobaz | why would you want to change EXTEN anyway, it's an automatic variable |
| 21:50.26 | bpgoldsb | Kobaz, I don't. Something inside asterisk is changing it |
| 21:50.31 | [TK]D-Fender | You can't and there's no point. |
| 21:50.37 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: Nope |
| 21:51.36 | bpgoldsb | I do context -> extension -> gosub -> gosub and when it gets back to extension, ${EXTEN} has changed from 205 to s |
| 21:51.57 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: EXTEN is where you ARE, not what you "initally dialed" |
| 21:52.32 | Kobaz | context start { foo => { Set(__DialedNumber=${EXTEN}); } } |
| 21:52.50 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: What if, from my phone, I dial an EXTENSION, that does a GOTO to an IVR, and it waits for input. I then enter another EXTENSION, what do you think EXTEN is going to be? |
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| 21:53.09 | bpgoldsb | Whatever the IVR jumped you to. |
| 21:53.39 | *** join/#asterisk zippoman (i=48817f53@gateway/web/freenode/x-nsjkaoyqwsipudoh) |
| 21:53.42 | zippoman | hey guys |
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| 21:53.52 | bpgoldsb | I understand that exten changes, I have that plenty in my dialplan. _XXX -> s -> s -> 91800foo |
| 21:54.10 | bpgoldsb | But I'm confused as to why Gosub's would change the exten, as they're meant to return |
| 21:54.12 | jaytee | be back later |
| 21:54.38 | Kobaz | bpgoldsb: read what fender wrote, it answers that question |
| 21:54.43 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: You're in some other EXTEN during that Gosub. That you might return at some point means nothing |
| 21:55.20 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: You might NEVER return. |
| 21:55.28 | bpgoldsb | But if EXTEN is where I am, and I'm inside _XXX (205 in this case), why is exten s instead of 205? |
| 21:55.34 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: you want to "cache" the EXTEN from some point during your call, do as Kobaz showed you |
| 21:55.41 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: You aren't |
| 21:56.05 | bpgoldsb | All the code is executing under the _XXX extension. _XXX -> { NoOp(${EXTEN}); GoSub(blarg); NoOp(${EXTEN}); } |
| 21:56.17 | bpgoldsb | That second NoOp(${EXTEN}); isn't inside _XXX? |
| 21:56.34 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: PASTEBIN the call. |
| 21:56.44 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: And BTW..... |
| 21:57.07 | [TK]D-Fender | FUCK AEL |
| 21:57.13 | Kobaz | hah |
| 21:57.15 | Kobaz | i love ael |
| 21:57.18 | eppigy | lol |
| 21:57.24 | russellb | [TK]D-Fender: language! |
| 21:57.28 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: it gets "compiled back to exrtensions.conf code in ways you may not predict |
| 21:57.30 | Kobaz | been using it for more than a year, not a single conversion problem |
| 21:57.34 | [TK]D-Fender | russellb: Sorry. |
| 21:57.38 | russellb | :-p |
| 21:57.42 | zippoman | has anyone used the asterisk php manager API |
| 21:58.15 | Kobaz | but i've been moving most of my ael to agi anyway |
| 21:58.20 | bpgoldsb | [TK]D-Fender, http://pastebin.com/m7fe47ca2 |
| 21:58.37 | Kobaz | if your dialplan get's that complex, might as well use a real language |
| 21:59.18 | Kobaz | s@update_cdr:10 |
| 21:59.26 | Kobaz | looks like an 's' exten to me |
| 21:59.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Kobaz: I don't see reliable code there |
| 21:59.44 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: dialplan show <---- |
| 21:59.56 | bpgoldsb | I thought you wanted the call trace, not the dialplan. 1 sec |
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| 22:00.14 | Kobaz | along with s@set_call_info, s@standard_dial, s@throw_error, and s@send_email |
| 22:00.15 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: You mean you're running BLIND on this? |
| 22:00.41 | bpgoldsb | [TK]D-Fender, http://pastebin.com/m5cbf29ad |
| 22:00.44 | blowery | anyone know offhand what causes Asterisk to return a 404 Not Found when trying to register? |
| 22:00.57 | Kobaz | blowery: the item in question is not found |
| 22:01.04 | [TK]D-Fender | blowery: Because there is no matching peer |
| 22:01.19 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: So what line in your output is in question? |
| 22:01.52 | bpgoldsb | 7-10 |
| 22:01.58 | bpgoldsb | er. |
| 22:02.08 | bpgoldsb | 30-33 in pastebin's format |
| 22:03.14 | kaldemar | bpgoldsb: -- Executing [205@sip_dial:5] Goto("SIP/112-b6c0b468", "sw-1795-SIP,10") <-- there goes your 205 |
| 22:03.33 | blowery | [TK]D-Fender: sadly i have no idea what that means. anywhere i can read up? i'm trying to figure out why I can connect with one client (LoudHush) but not another (Telephone.app) on a Mac |
| 22:04.27 | bpgoldsb | kaldemar, thanks |
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| 22:04.59 | bpgoldsb | I'm just going to switch to caching the dialed digits at start and referencing those instead of ${EXTEN} |
| 22:05.11 | zippoman | if anyone knows anything about asterisk php manager API please PM me I need some help |
| 22:05.26 | bpgoldsb | It will save me more time than being yelled at by Fender. |
| 22:05.55 | sflemming | Does someone know if the dahdi-2.2.0.2 works with cheap hfc-s cards or do I need a patch to get it working. Which kernelmodule do I need? |
| 22:06.50 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: Where is your DIALPLAn for that exten * context? |
| 22:07.13 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: And in those lines you are in "s" |
| 22:07.32 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: Show me a line where ${EXTEN} is being falsely interpreted |
| 22:08.09 | bpgoldsb | [TK]D-Fender, You're right. Thanks. |
| 22:10.01 | [TK]D-Fender | AEL looks simple in the file, but once it gets parsed back ends up looking like spaghetti, with parmesean, oregano, 11 herbs & spices, and drenched in McDonalds "Special Sauce" |
| 22:10.01 | wolfeyes | looks at the bot |
| 22:11.08 | wolfeyes | Sounds like KFC and McDonalds Sauce |
| 22:11.41 | bpgoldsb | If I had it all to do over again, I would implement it with AGI and a language I'm more familiar with. |
| 22:11.53 | bpgoldsb | But thats not exactly effective. |
| 22:14.34 | zippoman | anyone around? |
| 22:14.52 | wolfeyes | Depends who you are looking for? |
| 22:15.19 | zippoman | just a little help interfacing my asterisk box with the php manager api |
| 22:15.44 | russellb | ~ask |
| 22:15.45 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 22:16.24 | wolfeyes | lol @ against our will |
| 22:16.31 | [TK]D-Fender | BRB |
| 22:20.44 | russellb | wolfeyes: ;-) |
| 22:22.39 | zippoman | are there any tutorials for getting asterisk manager php all set up...I have been looking around. I did my code, but it isn't working and I have no specific question except for someone looking over all my code. |
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| 22:39.21 | catlynx | anyone know if OpenVox B200E would work for AT&T ISDN BRI line? |
| 22:41.06 | catlynx | hears a pin drop |
| 22:42.03 | *** join/#asterisk uqlev (n=yuriy@91.184.221.31) |
| 22:42.18 | [TK]D-Fender | catlynx: Thats MCI, not AT&T :p |
| 22:42.18 | lost_soul | has anyone here used pjsua? I got it configured and working but notice it keeps the cpu at roughly 50% usage which seems a bit much for a 2.53ghz p4. Wondering if anyone else has noticed similiar? |
| 22:42.48 | catlynx | heheh |
| 22:43.06 | lost_soul | I know it's not an asterisk question, sorry for that. But this would be the most appropriate channel to ask in I would think |
| 22:43.10 | catlynx | I was goign to buy an B200E on ebay till the seller said its not supported in US :( |
| 22:43.12 | [TK]D-Fender | catlynx: Call OpenVox Yourself and see what they say. We do not advocate their cards here |
| 22:43.35 | [TK]D-Fender | catQuite possibly now... Where on earth did you even FIND a BRI in USA? |
| 22:43.37 | catlynx | the seller said its a Asterisk thing not doing NI1 :( |
| 22:43.46 | [TK]D-Fender | NI1 = PRI |
| 22:43.51 | catlynx | oh? |
| 22:43.53 | catlynx | heh |
| 22:44.13 | catlynx | AT&T has a ISDN line at my house not used :) |
| 22:44.14 | [TK]D-Fender | catlynx: Not BRI |
| 22:44.21 | catlynx | thought I could put it in to good use for voice mail on my asterisk box |
| 22:44.23 | [TK]D-Fender | catlynx: You'd better be VERY sure of what you've got before wasting money |
| 22:44.56 | [TK]D-Fender | catBRI is almost non-existant in US |
| 22:45.09 | jblack | Dear VA. PLEASE STOP GIVING ME DISEASES. kthx bai. |
| 22:45.28 | catlynx | AT&T showing it as BRI on the bill |
| 22:46.13 | catlynx | $23/m ISDN BRI |
| 22:47.11 | [TK]D-Fender | catlynx: interesting. I don't know for sure what will work with it... |
| 22:47.33 | ecrane | still has nightmares of a NFAS ISDN Signalling...a whole DS3 with ISDN signalling and only 1 D channel for all call setup and teardown. |
| 22:48.20 | catlynx | ecrane: guess they did not think people would be calling and hanging up :) |
| 22:48.40 | [TK]D-Fender | ecrane: You don't need a D-Chan for teardown ;) |
| 22:48.47 | ecrane | oh.. my bad. |
| 22:48.59 | ecrane | It sounds 'efficient' until call volume gets high enough, and messages get dropped and vendors start pointing fingers at each other... |
| 22:49.17 | [TK]D-Fender | ecrane: No no... you misunderstand. When your D-Chan fails... EVERYTHIING gets torn down ;) |
| 22:49.42 | catlynx | trys to think how he can make use of a ISDN line that is sitting doing nothing |
| 22:54.47 | p3nguin | Can't be used for voice? fax? |
| 22:55.11 | catlynx | already got couple analog lines for that. |
| 22:55.30 | catlynx | only thing would be nice was dedicated voicemail number |
| 22:55.42 | catlynx | which I think the ISDN line would be nice for |
| 22:55.46 | ecrane | Well what CAN you do with an ISDN line that you can't do with a regular other line... |
| 22:55.52 | ecrane | guaranteed fast dialup? |
| 22:56.06 | p3nguin | Not even really all that fast. |
| 22:58.38 | jblack | p3nguin, you know much about drugs? |
| 22:59.09 | jblack | prescription painkillers, specifically |
| 22:59.26 | p3nguin | jblack: I know a small amount. What's up? |
| 23:00.01 | bpgoldsb | can you update cdr(userfield) more than once? |
| 23:00.29 | [TK]D-Fender | bpgoldsb: Sure |
| 23:01.18 | jblack | I was prescribed tramodol yesterday. I'm reading conflicting things, and wondered if you'd heard much about it |
| 23:01.28 | jblack | Pardon, tramadol |
| 23:01.29 | bpgoldsb | Well, time to figure out why it's not saving the first value and not the second, then |
| 23:02.06 | jblack | I read it's an opiod, it's not an opiod. It's narcotic. It's not narcotic. It's virtually a narcotic. It's no addictive, except it is very addictive... |
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| 23:03.21 | jblack | so if you had personal experience, or knew someone with personal experience. |
| 23:04.32 | p3nguin | I haven't taken it, but Ultracet has been given to people I know. |
| 23:05.20 | jblack | Any thoughts regarding ultracet? |
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| 23:07.49 | wolfeyes | Looks like I lost heliosj |
| 23:08.55 | p3nguin | jblack: From my understanding, it's not a narcotic, but acts like one. It's not supposed to be addictive. |
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| 23:09.11 | jblack | That's about what I got from google too. |
| 23:09.34 | ecrane | You could probably find someone who will take one and tell you what it's like ^^. |
| 23:09.39 | p3nguin | I rarely take any meds and rarely even see a doctor, so my drug knowledge usually comes from people I know taking them. |
| 23:09.47 | jblack | A narcotic is by definition addictive, so something narcotic like would be addictive... I didn't have too much trouble finding stories of people abusing it. |
| 23:10.26 | jblack | Yeah. I figured you might know people with chronic problems. Didn't hurt to ask. =) |
| 23:10.51 | jblack | The doctor told me it's an "anti-inflammatory". |
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| 23:11.43 | p3nguin | Looks like Ultram and Ultracet are both using tramadol. (figure you already uncovered that) |
| 23:11.50 | jblack | Yeah. |
| 23:12.07 | p3nguin | I haven't heard of Ultram before. |
| 23:12.12 | jblack | I think tramadol is generic ultram, and ultracet = tramadol + acetamenophen. |
| 23:12.26 | p3nguin | I think you are correct. |
| 23:12.50 | jblack | In any case, I think this is not some simple anti-inflammatory like the doctor claimed. |
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| 23:13.05 | jblack | That's ok. his other prescription for me is for my "parkinson's disease" |
| 23:13.39 | jblack | (before you ask, not that I'm fucking aware of) |
| 23:14.20 | ecrane | None of my business bro, but have you gotten 2nd opinions? |
| 23:15.25 | jblack | I asked him for 2nd opinion, and he said that I'm unlikeable. |
| 23:15.37 | jblack | rimshots |
| 23:16.46 | jblack | I have several doctors, but most of them are pretty bad. |
| 23:16.48 | p3nguin | I guess tramadol is commonly used to treat osteoarthritis. |
| 23:17.19 | p3nguin | It could be an anti-inflammatory drug, I suppose. |
| 23:17.19 | jblack | He thinks I have arthritis, which is associated with that core problem. |
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| 23:17.47 | p3nguin | Anyone I know that was prescribed Ultracet got it is a pain killer. |
| 23:18.20 | jblack | thats' what drugs.com claims about it too. |
| 23:18.38 | jblack | For moderate to severe. |
| 23:18.50 | p3nguin | I guess I could call my pharmacist. |
| 23:19.14 | jblack | can't. I have to go to manhattan neuro tomorrow. |
| 23:19.37 | jblack | I'm taking the short bus, so I'll be leaving home at 3am, and probably not getting home until something like 6pm. |
| 23:19.37 | ian6 | er |
| 23:19.50 | ian6 | tramadol is addictive. Very addictive :P |
| 23:20.12 | p3nguin | I have learned that many doctors don't know much about drugs, so that's why I always call my pharmacy guy. |
| 23:20.14 | jblack | ian6: That's kinda the impression I'm getting. |
| 23:20.39 | jblack | The pharmacy guys at the VA aren't much better, I'm sad to say. |
| 23:21.08 | p3nguin | I'm calling. |
| 23:21.14 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: Never gets old : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHXXTCc-IVg |
| 23:21.14 | jblack | anyways, you guys can see why I'd ask around before I'd pop something they give me into my mouth. |
| 23:21.35 | jblack | [TK]D-Fender: Him? :) |
| 23:21.50 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: Topic matter |
| 23:22.14 | jblack | Isn't he still in deep water for fighting the swine flu shot? |
| 23:22.50 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: "or something or another" :) |
| 23:24.10 | jblack | That particular rant, I think there's more than a grain of truth in that. And I think he's right for most would-otherwise-be-healthy peole |
| 23:24.34 | jblack | On over-medication, that is |
| 23:25.30 | jblack | For example, "when exercise and diet fail", "they don't fail".. CLearly he's not familiar with hypothyrodism, brain tumors, type 2 diabetes & arthritus all wrapped up in one. |
| 23:26.11 | jblack | THere are more ways to end up fat than just eating too much. |
| 23:26.38 | p3nguin | jblack: Just got off the phone with the pharmacist. He said that the FDA does not classify tramadol as "addictive" because it is NOT a narcotic. He also said that while "addictive" is not the correct term to describe the drug, you very likely will form a reliability or dependency for it, but it's commonly "addictive" in the sense that you want to take the pain away. |
| 23:27.01 | jblack | i.e. mental addiction. |
| 23:27.10 | jblack | it works so well, I'd never want to give it up.. |
| 23:27.18 | jblack | I could live with an addition to lack of pain. =) |
| 23:27.19 | p3nguin | jblack: He said it has absolutely no anti-inflammatory characteristics at all -- it is strictly an analgesic for pain. |
| 23:28.13 | jblack | Ok. That's very close to what i'm hearing from a source that I trust very well too. |
| 23:28.18 | jblack | so, I guess I can pop this |
| 23:29.03 | p3nguin | He also confirmed what you mentioned about the difference between Ultram and Ultracet. |
| 23:29.16 | jblack | cool. That's useful friend you have. |
| 23:29.36 | jblack | if I were you, i'd make sure to buy him a cheeseburger every once in a while. Please extend my thanks. =) |
| 23:30.39 | jblack | Ok, so with the pain pills, the obnoxious personality, and a cane in the care, all I need is one of those big tennis balls, a corner office, and a medical degree, and I can be Dr House! |
| 23:30.41 | p3nguin | I'm just glad we have drug dealers around here that know what they're doing. |
| 23:30.57 | Katty | pouts |
| 23:31.02 | Katty | riddick is allergic to something |
| 23:31.18 | Katty | could be ferrets, one of my cleaners, the laundry detergent, my shampoo....there is no telling |
| 23:31.28 | jblack | Maybe riddick is ironically allergic to cat hair |
| 23:31.41 | Katty | no cats here to irritate those allergies |
| 23:31.42 | p3nguin | Or worse... dog hair. |
| 23:31.59 | jblack | Oh, that's right. riddick is a dog. I meant dog hair. |
| 23:32.03 | p3nguin | ;) |
| 23:32.19 | jblack | well excuuuuUUUuUUuUuuse me! |
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| 23:32.24 | p3nguin | lol |
| 23:32.38 | jblack | cut me a break! 1 1/2 new diseases this week. =) |
| 23:34.20 | jblack | So, how do you know riddick is allergic to somethimg? |
| 23:34.22 | p3nguin | If it's the same doc that said he would give you an anti-inflammatory called tramadol, I'm worried. |
| 23:34.57 | jblack | Yes. The same doctor who gave me 'tramadol, the anti-inflammatory", is the same one that gave me bromocriptine "for parkinson's disease" |
| 23:35.03 | Katty | jblack: the vet told me so |
| 23:35.20 | Katty | jblack: and gave me an antihistamine for him, and an antibiotic for all the scratching and biting he's been doing to his back side. |
| 23:35.38 | jblack | So what do you do? split riddick off from his environment, and add things back in one at a time? |
| 23:36.20 | p3nguin | Give him some Vetalog and he'll probably be fine. |
| 23:36.31 | Katty | she wants to know if it's seasonal allergies or not, so after it's cleared up a bit we'll try take him off of it when it gets colder |
| 23:37.01 | jblack | I hate to be the heartless one here, but I'm having a bad week... |
| 23:37.02 | Katty | i'm going to keep him upstairs in the bedroom during the day, away from the ferrets. |
| 23:37.13 | jblack | Are you ready to take care of an allergic dog for the next decade or two? |
| 23:37.16 | Katty | i have a feeling it's the ferrets. |
| 23:37.20 | Katty | yes. |
| 23:37.29 | Katty | riddick is more than just a dog to me (= |
| 23:37.33 | jblack | I wish you were single and would adopt me. |
| 23:37.45 | jblack | I can make sad eyes too, and I'm constantly sick and need to be babied. =) |
| 23:37.46 | Katty | i've already adopted 7 males. |
| 23:38.02 | Katty | what's one more |
| 23:38.04 | Katty | lol |
| 23:38.12 | jblack | lol |
| 23:39.18 | jblack | anybody in manhattan? |
| 23:39.23 | Katty | but i really do think it's the ferrets. |
| 23:39.47 | jblack | that wouldn't be surprise at all. |
| 23:39.53 | Katty | it seems like it has gotten worse since i started keeping him in the basement with the ferrets the majority of the day |
| 23:40.29 | jblack | If anybody lives in manhattan, I'm gonna be there tomorrow, and have a lot of free time |
| 23:40.44 | Katty | that's a bit far from my house |
| 23:40.52 | jblack | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.01 | Katty | hmm |
| 23:41.07 | Katty | how about i bring a dog for them to pet instead |
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| 23:41.48 | Katty | hi mister jay tee |
| 23:41.50 | jblack | I don't know if they have that kind of thing happening at manhattan. I haven't been at that campus before |
| 23:41.59 | jaytee | hi Katty |
| 23:42.06 | jblack | I think they have something like that for the old far home here in the valley. |
| 23:42.10 | jblack | waves to jaytee |
| 23:42.34 | jaytee | waves back to jblack |
| 23:43.04 | jblack | jaytee: You live in manhattan by any chance/ |
| 23:43.23 | jaytee | no |
| 23:43.28 | jaytee | I live in Indianapolis |
| 23:43.29 | jblack | ok |
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| 23:43.53 | jblack | Which one/ |
| 23:44.12 | jaytee | what? |
| 23:44.23 | jblack | There's at least 2 indianapolis' that I know of. |
| 23:44.38 | jblack | There's the one in indiana, and the one in marysland |
| 23:44.46 | jblack | pardon the spelling |
| 23:44.52 | jaytee | really? the only one I know if is in Indiana |
| 23:44.53 | jaytee | s/if/of |
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| 23:45.29 | jaytee | really? Maryland? I know there's an Annapolis but never heard of an Indianapolis, Maryland |
| 23:45.57 | jblack | maybe I'm thinking annapolis |
| 23:46.04 | jblack | I get confused like that sometimes. |
| 23:46.32 | jblack | I had an uncle that lived in *polis, md. |
| 23:46.52 | Katty | right. i'm gonna get some dinner. |
| 23:46.54 | Katty | afks. |
| 23:46.56 | jblack | Yeah. I confused annapolis. Sorry. :) |
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