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| 00:00.13 | seanbright | martyn-dev: make OPTIONS=-I/usr/include/freetds |
| 00:00.24 | seanbright | which also probably won't work |
| 00:00.29 | seanbright | because asterisk 1.2 is ancient |
| 00:00.38 | Ineluctable | what does * provide for me? |
| 00:01.16 | Ineluctable | sorry for the trouble I am just trying to learn |
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| 00:01.42 | Ineluctable | To be honest I do not know what i am doing. |
| 00:01.45 | martyn-dev | oph seanbright :D |
| 00:01.49 | martyn-dev | compiled :D |
| 00:01.51 | seanbright | nice |
| 00:01.55 | martyn-dev | so. then install |
| 00:01.58 | seanbright | yeah |
| 00:02.03 | martyn-dev | what happended? |
| 00:02.07 | seanbright | no clue |
| 00:02.16 | seanbright | centos updated the location they install freetds to? |
| 00:02.18 | [TK]D-Fender | Ineluctable: * is a PBX and telephony toolkit. |
| 00:02.23 | seanbright | there is a bug in the cdr/Makefile anyway |
| 00:02.30 | seanbright | but it's 1.2 and we don't fix that stuff |
| 00:02.33 | seanbright | because we're elite |
| 00:02.37 | seanbright | heh |
| 00:02.40 | martyn-dev | oh! |
| 00:03.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Ineluctable: You can use it to build a PBX, act as an answering machine, place automated calls, etc |
| 00:03.27 | seanbright | beek: it's 14208 - http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=14208 |
| 00:03.38 | martyn-dev | Thank you very much seanbright : |
| 00:03.44 | seanbright | martyn-dev: no problem |
| 00:03.57 | martyn-dev | are you an asterisk developper ? |
| 00:04.01 | martyn-dev | seanbright: ? |
| 00:04.14 | seanbright | martyn-dev: on occasion :) |
| 00:04.14 | beek | seanbright: You're quicker than I at finding it. I just found the log from mmichelson in svn. |
| 00:04.23 | seanbright | beek: i think i know what happened, hold on. |
| 00:04.41 | martyn-dev | oh. i see.. just a question. seanbright what do you think about Freeswitch ? |
| 00:04.49 | seanbright | martyn-dev: i have never used it |
| 00:04.58 | martyn-dev | oh! ok |
| 00:05.02 | seanbright | martyn-dev: but it seems like an interesting project |
| 00:05.09 | seanbright | beek: yeah, i got it... bear with me |
| 00:05.12 | martyn-dev | yeah. it seems like |
| 00:05.17 | seanbright | beek: 1.6.0.5 is a security release |
| 00:05.27 | seanbright | beek: so it's basically 1.6.0.3 + a security fix |
| 00:05.35 | seanbright | beek: which is why you aren't seeing the fix you were looking for |
| 00:05.51 | seanbright | it would be relatively minor to patch your local copy |
| 00:05.58 | beek | seanbright: Okay. I'll patch it locally then. |
| 00:06.18 | beek | seanbright: Thanks very much for your effort! |
| 00:06.25 | seanbright | beek: no sweat. |
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| 00:08.29 | beek | seanbright: I LOVE viewvc... I'm going to have to install that on my subversion server. |
| 00:08.39 | seanbright | beek: it's trivial to setup too |
| 00:08.56 | seanbright | beek: and the syntax highlighting gets me all hot and bothered. |
| 00:09.22 | beek | You betcha. That is really great. |
| 00:09.28 | seanbright | so for those of you interested in what happened to 1.6.0.4 |
| 00:09.39 | seanbright | we tagged 1.6.0.4-rc1 |
| 00:09.58 | seanbright | a security risk was discovered in the 1.6.0 branch |
| 00:10.13 | seanbright | (actually all of the release branches) |
| 00:10.20 | seanbright | (chan_iax2) |
| 00:10.36 | seanbright | so we tagged 1.6.0.3.1 |
| 00:10.49 | [TK]D-Fender | 8.6.7.5.3.0.9.!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:10.53 | seanbright | which was vetoed because 5 digits is silliness |
| 00:11.09 | mercutioviz | holy macarel |
| 00:11.16 | mercutioviz | that's WAY too many digits |
| 00:11.21 | seanbright | and since 1.6.0.4-rc1 had already been tagged, we bumped her up to 1.6.0.5 and deleted the 1.6.0.4-rc1 tag |
| 00:11.37 | beek | seanbright: Unfortunately, the bug report shows that the one I'm talking about will be fixed in 1.6.0.4 and beyond, so there really is a good reason to let it go to 5 digits. |
| 00:11.41 | seanbright | there will be a new (i believe) 1.6.0.6-rc1 created in the next few days |
| 00:11.55 | seanbright | beek: best intentions... |
| 00:12.02 | mercutioviz | martyn-dev: just curious - why were you asking about freeswitch? |
| 00:12.21 | interfaith | hello asterisk gtalk users, tests here show google gtalk to asterisk gtalk ok but ast/gt/nat to ast/gt/nat not working ? |
| 00:12.46 | seanbright | beek: and 1.6.0.6-rc1 will contain your fix |
| 00:12.55 | seanbright | beek: but as a said, a 1 character local fix for you in the meantime |
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| 00:13.11 | interfaith | gtalk users, maybe some tricks are needed for ast/gtalk to work p2p ? |
| 00:13.32 | beek | seanbright: Absolutely... I'm not complaining at all. I'm just pointing out that without your help I'd have been really confused. |
| 00:13.51 | interfaith | gtalk users ? anyone done p2p ast/gt to ast/gt ? |
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| 00:14.00 | seanbright | interfaith: settle down |
| 00:14.15 | interfaith | i can wait |
| 00:14.30 | seanbright | interfaith: you don't need to ask the same question 3 times in 1 1/2 minutes :) |
| 00:14.52 | seanbright | beek: your confusion is well founded :) |
| 00:14.53 | interfaith | k |
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| 00:23.14 | jaytee | hi jared |
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| 00:24.26 | mercutioviz | jsmith: quick question - are you working with jimvanm on "the cookbook"? just curious |
| 00:24.58 | jsmith | mercutioviz: Not officially no, but yes, I'm working with him on it |
| 00:25.06 | mercutioviz | got it |
| 00:25.13 | jsmith | mercutioviz: (I'm not an official author, but I'm doing part of the work) |
| 00:25.16 | jsmith | mercutioviz: Why? |
| 00:25.42 | mercutioviz | I was just curious. Jim and I were discussing some other projects and he mentioned that he was working on the *CB |
| 00:26.05 | mercutioviz | I was just curious who all was working on it |
| 00:26.59 | jsmith | A bunch of people |
| 00:27.12 | mercutioviz | :D |
| 00:27.16 | mercutioviz | I can imagine |
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| 00:27.25 | jsmith | I think the list of "official" authors is around six or seven people now |
| 00:29.32 | beek | seanbright: All is good -- 1.6.0.5 & patch |
| 00:29.39 | beek | seanbright: Thanks for your help. |
| 00:30.40 | mercutioviz | so it's "Van Meggelen, et al" ? :) |
| 00:32.28 | Greek-Boy | what is the best open source billing solution for asterisk 1.4? Asterbill? |
| 00:40.24 | interfaith | any sign of upnp support coming to asterisk ? |
| 00:42.41 | Greek-Boy | any sign of smpp support coming to asterisk? |
| 00:44.22 | manxpower | You are welcome to add it |
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| 00:50.23 | interfaith | iax2 and gtalk show limited p2p capability for ast/nat to ast/nat calls , some changes are needed |
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| 00:51.41 | interfaith | a few changes to iax2 may make it fly p2p |
| 00:51.58 | Greek-Boy | manxpower: what is a current solution to send sms's from asterisk to a smpp sms server? |
| 00:52.45 | Get_The_Fish | hello all, I have an issue that I could use some assistance with. We have a queue that is set to "least recent" and "auto-fill", with static extensions (not agents.conf). Certain extentions will "ring |
| 00:53.21 | Get_The_Fish | oops.... will ring once (more like a half-ring according to our users), but will not connect the call |
| 00:54.14 | Mark17 | is it possible if you have 2 asterisk servers that they automatically look for accounts the other server has and when needed send the call to the other server? when creating new accounts at 1 server that the other automatically detects it? |
| 00:54.19 | Get_The_Fish | one user in particular shows the same number hit her phone 4 times, each time with a call time of 0:00. It appears from the CDR's that the call was connected to another agent. No call forwarding enabled |
| 00:54.37 | Get_The_Fish | Mark17, yes. |
| 00:55.02 | Get_The_Fish | I believe that the best way to do this is dundi, although I have personally never tried |
| 00:55.49 | Mark17 | Get_The_Fish: i will start working on it in the near future (I would need it for an idea I have) |
| 01:00.56 | Get_The_Fish | any ideas on that? |
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| 01:04.22 | Mark17 | well i need something for processing calls through 4 servers to start with, if could increase in the future to 20 |
| 01:05.01 | Mark17 | and an other option is to update all configs when needed (need to check what the best options is) |
| 01:05.42 | Get_The_Fish | sorry Mark17, I was referring to the issue that I posted earlier |
| 01:06.22 | Mark17 | one moment, i will have a look to your question |
| 01:07.31 | Mark17 | i did not work with a queue and i dont know it to be honest |
| 01:07.32 | [TK]D-Fender | What on earth does "and when needed send the call (what call?!) to the other server" mean? |
| 01:09.11 | Mark17 | [TK]D-Fender: i would setup 2 servers (with phones on both servers) |
| 01:09.55 | Mark17 | when a call is recieved for a phone on the same server it should proces it directly, when it is for the other server it should be processed and forwarded to the other server |
| 01:10.07 | Mark17 | this second server than will need to proces it |
| 01:10.51 | Mark17 | i want to know if it is possible to automate this selection proces without the need of adding new lines to the configs on server 1 when new accounts are created on server 2 |
| 01:12.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: the extens should never be the same and DUNDi can handle this... mind you, with prefixes even basic connectivity can handle this. |
| 01:12.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: 1XXX = send to server 1, 2XXX=send to server 2, etc |
| 01:12.51 | Mark17 | no prefix for looking if they are on server 1 or server 2 |
| 01:13.30 | Mark17 | an extension on server 1 wont be used on server 2 |
| 01:16.35 | Mark17 | lets start with testing it tomorrow |
| 01:28.01 | D3b|4n | i have a problem |
| 01:28.04 | D3b|4n | I have a problem when you make a call recording is saved well again but if the same number to the previous recording me and let me just delete the last recording |
| 01:28.25 | seanbright | i can't parse that sentence |
| 01:28.29 | seanbright | could you try again in english? |
| 01:28.53 | seanbright | maybe use an occasional period (.) or comma (,) |
| 01:31.20 | [TK]D-Fender | talks does funny Yoda hmmmMMMM!??!??!?!?! |
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| 01:33.30 | SparFux | When using my dsl-modem as a router, I have the advantage of being able to use ATA's to plug my pots phones directly into the net and use sip without any computer, right? Whereas with pppoe on my computer and no router functionality on my modem, I am boned and have to use the computer. |
| 01:34.26 | [TK]D-Fender | SparFux: I've seen plenty of ATA's W/ PPPoE Clients... |
| 01:34.50 | [TK]D-Fender | SparFux: And most people with DSL modems use a SEPARATE router anyways |
| 01:34.51 | rob0 | Yoda Miss Piggy was. Kermie!! |
| 01:34.55 | SparFux | ok, but when my computer already does pppoe, can the ATA do it, too? Will my isp allow two such pppoe connections? |
| 01:35.21 | [TK]D-Fender | SparFux: Many I know of do |
| 01:35.41 | SparFux | aha. |
| 01:35.47 | [TK]D-Fender | SparFux: thats single-link ML-PPPoE |
| 01:35.47 | rob0 | I use my DSL modem in bridge mode, where it does the PPPoE, but the computer gets the external IP. |
| 01:36.29 | [TK]D-Fender | rob0: one cool thing the Mediatrix 2100 series ATA's do : transparent proxying. |
| 01:36.56 | SparFux | well, I think I use bridge too, but the computer runs pppoe. |
| 01:37.52 | rob0 | mine's a Siemens / Speedstream |
| 01:38.06 | [TK]D-Fender | SparFux: Seriously, get a router and jsut run both behind it. |
| 01:38.39 | SparFux | why not use the modem as a router? has it disadvanntages? |
| 01:39.15 | [TK]D-Fender | SparFux: or whatever |
| 01:39.19 | rob0 | I prefer having full control of things, and the modem would not give me that. |
| 01:39.53 | SparFux | rob0: that's true, indeed. |
| 01:40.10 | SparFux | I wonder wether I can do the bridge thing with modem doing pppoe. |
| 01:40.28 | SparFux | I see no point in having the computer do pppoe and not having multiple computers do it! |
| 01:40.45 | SparFux | on the other hand, router setup would be safer than bridge setup. |
| 01:41.13 | [TK]D-Fender | ok, off to play pool for a while. back later |
| 01:43.16 | SparFux | I have the problem that I can connection downgrades. ping times get bad and I get paket loss. I think even the ping to the modem 192.186.1.1 is bad. so is bridge mode more expsnsive for the modem or router mode? might it be the connection downgrade disappears when doing router mdoe? |
| 01:45.21 | joat | is away: Away |
| 01:45.33 | joat | is back (gone 00:00:00) |
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| 01:50.19 | `paul | how can i play a tone similar to the recording (pls leave the msg after the TONE).... the beep after the tone. |
| 01:51.22 | seanbright | PlayTones? |
| 01:52.29 | Mark17 | you can make a recording for it and use PlayBack |
| 01:53.28 | seanbright | Playback(beep) |
| 01:53.55 | `paul | ill try playback beep :) |
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| 02:04.01 | D3b|4n | I have a problem when you make a call recording is saved well again but if the same number to the previous recording me and let me just delete the last recording |
| 02:06.52 | SparFux | rob0: how do you use a dsl modem in bridge mode and have it do the pppoe stuff at the same time? |
| 02:12.23 | seanbright | D3b|4n: what is your native language? |
| 02:12.45 | D3b|4n | spanish sorry for my english |
| 02:13.24 | seanbright | D3b|4n: you need to ask your question another way. the way you are asking now does not make sense to me. |
| 02:14.57 | D3b|4n | |
| 02:14.57 | D3b|4n | I make a call is recorded well, but if you call the same number is cleared and only the first recording is the recording of my second call |
| 02:14.57 | rob0 | Spar, I suppose it's a feature of the modem. Maybe yours won't do that? Ask your ISP or see the modem manual. |
| 02:15.35 | seanbright | D3b|4n: how do you start the recording? |
| 02:16.26 | seanbright | Monitor()? MixMonitor()? |
| 02:16.55 | D3b|4n | recording begins when the call begins |
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| 02:17.28 | seanbright | D3b|4n: are you running asterisk? freepbx? trixbox? |
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| 02:17.49 | D3b|4n | asterisk |
| 02:18.58 | seanbright | D3b|4n: ok, could you put your extensions.conf file contents on http://pastebin.ca/ ? |
| 02:19.43 | D3b|4n | ok |
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| 02:26.48 | seanbright | D3b|4n: is it posted yet? |
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| 02:37.58 | seanbright | D3b|4n: are you there? |
| 02:39.48 | keebler | Are there any notable differences between Asterisk 1.14.21 and 1.14.23? Like MUST HAVE updates? |
| 02:41.15 | seanbright | i assume you mean 1.4.21 and 1.4.23 |
| 02:41.25 | seanbright | and there are only bug fixes |
| 02:41.33 | seanbright | some security and some functional |
| 02:41.42 | keebler | erm |
| 02:41.43 | seanbright | you can see the details from the ChangeLog |
| 02:41.43 | keebler | yeah |
| 02:42.05 | keebler | Well, just wondering if its worth waiting to build again on this FBSD box. |
| 02:42.14 | keebler | The port for FBSD is 1.4.21 |
| 02:42.15 | keebler | .2 |
| 02:42.31 | keebler | Already did a CVSup through the FBSD database. |
| 02:42.47 | seanbright | are you having specific issues? |
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| 02:43.16 | keebler | Nope. I'm rebuilding the system and wondered if its worth the trouble. |
| 02:43.38 | seanbright | don't fix what ain't broken |
| 02:43.44 | seanbright | esp. if it's a production machine |
| 02:43.50 | keebler | Yeah. |
| 02:44.02 | keebler | This will be going into full service next week. |
| 02:44.20 | seanbright | 1.4.21 it is |
| 02:44.23 | seanbright | do you use IAX? |
| 02:44.26 | keebler | nope |
| 02:44.31 | seanbright | don't upgrade |
| 02:44.54 | keebler | Righto |
| 02:45.58 | keebler | Considering its taking 20 minutes just to build IRSSI. |
| 02:46.05 | keebler | I don't want to wait anymore. haha |
| 02:46.09 | seanbright | on your production machine? |
| 02:46.11 | seanbright | yikes |
| 02:46.15 | seanbright | might be time for a faster machine |
| 02:46.17 | keebler | intel atom with 4GB CF flash card |
| 02:46.22 | keebler | and 1gb ram |
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| 02:46.35 | seanbright | takes me about 8 seconds to build asterisk on my production box |
| 02:46.40 | seanbright | good ol 'make -j9' |
| 02:46.41 | seanbright | mmmm |
| 02:46.43 | keebler | c2d? |
| 02:47.05 | keebler | This is going into a solar powered system. |
| 02:47.11 | keebler | So it has to be as low power as possible. |
| 02:47.21 | seanbright | it's either a dual quad-core or a quad dual-core |
| 02:47.24 | seanbright | i forget |
| 02:47.45 | keebler | Hahahhaha, I guess when its that much power, it doesn't really matter. |
| 02:47.57 | keebler | How many active clients? |
| 02:48.00 | esaym | what is the process to go from zaptel to the new dahdi? I see dahdi tools and dahdi linux? |
| 02:48.18 | seanbright | keebler: 40 or so agents |
| 02:48.25 | seanbright | keebler: barely touches the machine |
| 02:48.35 | keebler | seanbright: Ah. Wow. Why so much power? |
| 02:48.36 | esaym | I am guessing that meetme still needs a timing source? (now provided by dahdi)? |
| 02:48.56 | seanbright | keebler: why not? :D |
| 02:49.04 | keebler | I guess. |
| 02:49.48 | seanbright | we're not concerned about power consumption. |
| 02:49.55 | seanbright | we also club baby seals in the server room |
| 02:50.03 | keebler | Then again, I'm still running FBSD 4.7 on a P266 with 256mb of ram |
| 02:50.12 | keebler | and apache 13 |
| 02:50.16 | keebler | 1.3 |
| 02:50.20 | seanbright | nice |
| 02:50.27 | seanbright | i remember pre-2.0 apache |
| 02:50.31 | seanbright | the good ol' days |
| 02:50.46 | esaym | n/m http://www.asterisk.org/zaptel-to-dahdi |
| 02:51.07 | seanbright | ~dahdi |
| 02:51.20 | jbot | [~dahdi] Digium/Asterisk Hardware Device Interface (DAhdi). The new name of zaptel More info at http://www.asterisk.org/zaptel-to-dahdi , and is pronounced "dah-dee" with a short A, or pronounced like http://www.russellbryant.net/dahdi.wav |
| 02:51.20 | keebler | Yeah. It runs a personal site. Nothing fancy. And a random ftp sometimes. |
| 02:51.20 | seanbright | jbot: dahdi |
| 02:51.21 | jbot | [~dahdi] Digium/Asterisk Hardware Device Interface (DAhdi). The new name of zaptel More info at http://www.asterisk.org/zaptel-to-dahdi , and is pronounced "dah-dee" with a short A, or pronounced like http://www.russellbryant.net/dahdi.wav |
| 02:51.31 | keebler | Its not actually on the net right now though. Just moved. |
| 02:51.57 | seanbright | cool |
| 02:52.50 | keebler | Yeah, I'm still very new to Asterisk. Didn't like any of the all-in-one solutions. |
| 02:53.14 | keebler | That, and none of them had updated NIC drivers for my client. |
| 02:53.27 | keebler | MSIWind Desktop |
| 02:54.01 | keebler | So I had to manually install them... PITA with trixbox. Just to have to reformat cause of bloat. |
| 02:54.13 | icebrew54 | keebler: debian? |
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| 02:55.06 | keebler | freebsd |
| 02:55.14 | keebler | well |
| 02:55.20 | keebler | I'm Using FBSD NOW |
| 02:55.30 | keebler | every allinone uses CentOS |
| 02:55.34 | keebler | ..... I hate Red Hat. |
| 02:55.50 | seanbright | i use centos for all my production boxes |
| 02:55.54 | keebler | Everyone does. |
| 02:56.02 | keebler | Its the standard. |
| 02:56.03 | icebrew54 | I use debian or centos on my end.... |
| 02:56.09 | keebler | for Asterisk it seems. |
| 02:56.11 | prxtien | hey all, im running 1.6.0.3 on a couple boxes.. im trying to register my private asterisk box as a client of another asterisk box like i would with my other sip providers... but when i try to pass a call to the remote sip box i get Received response: "Forbidden" from '"NAASANORTH" and on the remote server username mismatch, have <1001>, digest has <1002> |
| 02:56.11 | seanbright | yeah, but i build asterisk et all from sources |
| 02:56.17 | prxtien | any help would be great... thanks guys! |
| 02:56.28 | bmoraca | keebler: i hope you don't plan on running all 12x30 extensions on that box :P |
| 02:56.29 | icebrew54 | keebler: sometimes it's good to stick with the pack if you are unfamiliar with a certain software set |
| 02:56.35 | keebler | Meh, I've been using FBSD for 8 years now. |
| 02:56.52 | keebler | bmoraca: No no no... |
| 02:56.53 | icebrew54 | keebler: FBSD with asterisk? :P |
| 02:57.03 | keebler | Only 12 extensions one one box AT MOST. |
| 02:57.13 | keebler | But typically not more than 6. |
| 02:57.28 | keebler | And there will only be one call at a time. |
| 02:57.40 | bmoraca | keebler: you're putting a box on each rig? why? |
| 02:58.05 | keebler | bmoraca: Because each rig is different and independent, and owned by a separate company. |
| 02:58.13 | bmoraca | oooohhhhh |
| 02:58.18 | bmoraca | that sucks, lol |
| 02:58.24 | keebler | More money for me. |
| 02:58.27 | bmoraca | true |
| 02:58.31 | keebler | Especially if I build the systems by hand. |
| 02:58.35 | bmoraca | much, much more liability, though |
| 02:58.39 | bmoraca | i'd virtualize them |
| 02:58.45 | keebler | Not anymore than I'm running now. |
| 02:58.57 | bmoraca | ESXi is free and asterisk runs great in it |
| 02:59.04 | keebler | bmoraca: How would you support 30 rigs in a 200 mile radius that move every 12 days? |
| 02:59.24 | bmoraca | 200 mile radius? you said 1 mile yesterday |
| 02:59.29 | keebler | No.. |
| 02:59.35 | keebler | One Rig is 1 acre |
| 02:59.37 | keebler | not mile |
| 02:59.39 | bmoraca | ahhh |
| 02:59.53 | keebler | The "pad" site is about 1 to 5 acres. |
| 03:00.33 | keebler | Erm, I should have said 200 square miles. About a 50 mile radius from where I'm at. |
| 03:00.44 | bmoraca | that's a little better, lol |
| 03:00.57 | keebler | Although, I DO have two rigs in Colorado. |
| 03:00.58 | keebler | :) |
| 03:00.58 | bmoraca | either way, though, it sounds like a job for cell phones of 2-way radios :P |
| 03:01.09 | bmoraca | or* |
| 03:01.19 | keebler | can't have Cell phones onthe rigs, and most don't have services anyways. |
| 03:01.32 | keebler | And can't have walkie talkies either. |
| 03:01.52 | bmoraca | why not? |
| 03:01.58 | keebler | They have to be perma mounted. explosion proof, and can't be detached. |
| 03:02.10 | bmoraca | haha, that sounds like a LOT of fun, lol |
| 03:02.16 | keebler | Yeah |
| 03:02.22 | keebler | And expensive |
| 03:02.31 | keebler | I just retrofitted one of the phones today though. |
| 03:02.45 | bmoraca | do you get to test the "explosion-proof" yourself? |
| 03:02.47 | keebler | Put a Linksys WRT54G with DDWRT running in Bridged mode, an ATA. |
| 03:02.58 | keebler | I already have the phones. |
| 03:03.06 | keebler | Damn things are $600 |
| 03:03.17 | bmoraca | holy crap |
| 03:03.21 | keebler | Yeah. |
| 03:03.34 | keebler | They also have noise and interference canceling circuitry. |
| 03:03.42 | bmoraca | nice |
| 03:03.55 | keebler | Although... using a Linksys PAP2T, there seems to be some static on the line. |
| 03:04.02 | bmoraca | weren't you looking at using ATAs and cheap cordless phones? or was that a different client? |
| 03:04.02 | keebler | Just in my testing today. |
| 03:04.13 | keebler | That was me, that was for the trailers. |
| 03:04.18 | keebler | This is a two part setup. |
| 03:04.21 | bmoraca | gotcha |
| 03:04.33 | echinos | mediatrix fxs gateways? anyone used one, liked it or not? |
| 03:04.49 | bmoraca | echinos: i've heard they're good...never used one, though |
| 03:04.54 | keebler | On the rig itself it has to be explosion proof. Then there's mobile trailers. (aka offices), that have a regular office setup. |
| 03:05.05 | keebler | bmoraca: I meant to ask, does TechData sell ATAs? |
| 03:05.30 | bmoraca | keebler: no. i don't think so. I usually get my IP telephony stuff from www.voiplink.com |
| 03:06.04 | keebler | bmoraca: Also, using the Linksys WRT54G, and DDWRT, I managed to pump up the mW to 150mw. From inside my brick home, and using netstumbler, I managed to get a solid signal with no interference for 150M. |
| 03:06.22 | keebler | After 150m it went into the yellow. |
| 03:06.41 | keebler | Thats using the stock antennas. |
| 03:06.59 | bmoraca | keebler: don't expect the router to last long at that power...they're not meant to run over 84 |
| 03:07.13 | keebler | This was just for a proof of concept. |
| 03:07.26 | keebler | Its not going into the production model. |
| 03:07.36 | keebler | It only has to last 3 days. |
| 03:07.40 | bmoraca | keebler: the other issue with using 802.11 is that it's inherantly half-duplex. what that means is that for every client, your performance decreases linearly |
| 03:08.40 | keebler | Well, There's going to be upto 12 phones, and for the time being, I was going to keep the wireless VOIP network separate from the internet. Until I can determine usage and loss. |
| 03:09.17 | bmoraca | keebler: just FYI, i checked techdata and they have PAP2Ts for $10 cheaper than I've seen anywhere else...$46 each |
| 03:09.17 | prxtien | Failed to authenticate on INVITE to '"james" <sip:1000@192.168.1.1> , anyone experience this calling between two asterisk boxes? |
| 03:09.47 | keebler | bmoraca: COOL. heh, I need to talk to my boss about getting an account. |
| 03:10.08 | bmoraca | keebler: can't hurt. they don't charge membership fees or anything and they have a great selection of product |
| 03:10.12 | keebler | The $100 isn't anything. Considering I'll spend about $10K in the first purchase. |
| 03:10.29 | keebler | Their App fee is $100 |
| 03:10.40 | keebler | Which they refund after your first purchase of $1500 or more. |
| 03:11.08 | bmoraca | keebler: also, free shipping on orders over $1000 you place via their website, too |
| 03:11.21 | bmoraca | keebler: that alone saves me several hundred dollars per week |
| 03:11.28 | keebler | bmoraca: I was also looking into this.... www.meraki.com |
| 03:12.10 | bmoraca | keebler: that looks to be similar to a canopy system, except that the canopy system has longer range |
| 03:12.19 | keebler | bmoraca: Well, they have a center here in Ft Worth. |
| 03:12.24 | keebler | techdata i mean |
| 03:12.31 | bmoraca | yeah |
| 03:12.44 | keebler | Well, for a more expensive but reliable system, I was thinking Firetide. |
| 03:12.52 | keebler | After the first few months. |
| 03:13.02 | keebler | Uses Triband Mesh Nodes. |
| 03:13.07 | bmoraca | yeah |
| 03:13.24 | keebler | It all depends really on how these units perform. |
| 03:13.26 | bmoraca | a mesh network might work. but if it's 802.11, you still run into the half-duplex problem |
| 03:13.43 | keebler | What would you suggest then? |
| 03:13.45 | bmoraca | every hop, you lose half your bandwidth |
| 03:14.01 | bmoraca | keebler: not sure. i've never done anything like this before |
| 03:14.07 | keebler | No one has. |
| 03:14.09 | keebler | Haha |
| 03:14.30 | keebler | Thats why I'm doing it. :) My competitor is killing us in service fees. |
| 03:14.53 | bmoraca | keebler: i'd talk to that company that had the $83 device and see if they have a good omni-directional antenna option (i doubt it) |
| 03:14.56 | keebler | Granted his internet sucks. |
| 03:15.03 | keebler | bmoraca: They do. |
| 03:15.17 | keebler | bmoraca: it has a secondary external antenna connection. |
| 03:15.34 | keebler | And its 250mW |
| 03:15.35 | bmoraca | keebler: well, that's 30 bridges, asuming their omni has the range to cover the whole area...but 50 miles is a lot |
| 03:15.48 | keebler | .... |
| 03:15.55 | keebler | Each rig is independent. |
| 03:15.55 | bmoraca | i got that wrong again |
| 03:15.58 | bmoraca | lol |
| 03:16.10 | keebler | Alone, separate network. |
| 03:16.16 | bmoraca | yes yes, i get it |
| 03:16.19 | keebler | Okay |
| 03:16.20 | keebler | Haha |
| 03:16.40 | bmoraca | but, actually, that'd be done at the central point, via a managed switch |
| 03:16.58 | bmoraca | router-on-a-stick or layer 3 switch...the first option is cheaper |
| 03:17.04 | bmoraca | no |
| 03:17.26 | keebler | I have a central AP, that broadcasts, then all the others listen. |
| 03:17.31 | bmoraca | right |
| 03:17.39 | keebler | point to multipoint |
| 03:17.43 | bmoraca | yep |
| 03:17.57 | bmoraca | how many client points will you have, though? |
| 03:18.13 | keebler | ONe central AP, 7 bridges, at most. |
| 03:18.22 | bmoraca | and that's per rig? |
| 03:18.57 | keebler | yes.. although, others will be one central AP and 5 bridges |
| 03:19.28 | icebrew54 | can anyone point me to a list of applicable variables (ext, dialed number, etc.)? |
| 03:19.30 | bmoraca | how many simultaneous calls do you expect on each rig? |
| 03:19.48 | keebler | two at most |
| 03:19.48 | icebrew54 | I'm having trouble setting my "monitor" filename....I can't get it to show the dialed number |
| 03:19.51 | bmoraca | icebrew54: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+variables |
| 03:20.21 | bmoraca | keebler: how do these calls get to the PSTN or do they need to? |
| 03:20.48 | keebler | they're isolated |
| 03:20.49 | icebrew54 | Set(CALLFILENAME=OUTGOING_${CALLTIME}_${CALLERID(num)}) |
| 03:20.53 | keebler | No PSTN |
| 03:21.05 | icebrew54 | ^^^ what would I add to that to show the number dialed? |
| 03:21.14 | icebrew54 | maybe minus the 9 in front :P |
| 03:22.13 | bmoraca | keebler: for 2 simultaneous calls, you won't need to worry about the wireless speed, then |
| 03:22.28 | keebler | Yeah, I'm just worried about interference. |
| 03:22.32 | bmoraca | icebrew54: read the link I stated. |
| 03:23.01 | keebler | I can't believe its January and I'm having to turn the AC on. |
| 03:23.39 | bmoraca | keebler: then go 5ghz. in open air, you get better range and less interference. |
| 03:23.48 | seanbright | Set(CALLFILENAME=OUTGOING_${CALLTIME}_${EXTEN:1}) |
| 03:23.49 | keebler | bmoraca: 802.11a? |
| 03:23.55 | bmoraca | keebler: yes |
| 03:24.01 | keebler | Hmm. |
| 03:24.21 | bmoraca | much much more expensive...but if you're worried about interference... |
| 03:24.28 | icebrew54 | seanbright, trying exten now |
| 03:24.36 | seanbright | will wait here |
| 03:25.08 | keebler | bmoraca: What about 802.11n? |
| 03:25.11 | bmoraca | keebler: what kind of 2.4ghz interference would you find in an oilfield? |
| 03:25.52 | bmoraca | keebler: avoid pre-standard 802.11n equipment like the plague. it's pre-standard for a reason. and most equipment will not be compatible with a standard should one ever be finalized. |
| 03:26.01 | icebrew54 | seanbright: here's what I get: Set("SIP/201-b656efe0", "CALLFILENAME=OUTGOING_2009-01-23-19:24_XXXXXXXXXX_-dial") |
| 03:26.09 | icebrew54 | doesn't seem to set EXTEN correctly |
| 03:26.19 | keebler | bmoraca: Well, we do wireless routers for internet, but they're on channe; one, and I'd have the VOIP on 11. Othe than that, they have 3-440 herts Generators that put out a lot of potential interference. We |
| 03:26.30 | seanbright | icebrew54: exten is literally XXXXX...? |
| 03:26.33 | keebler | We've have problems with 5.8ghz Analog phones. |
| 03:26.51 | bmoraca | channels 1, 6, and 11 do not overlap, so you don't need to worry about it |
| 03:27.01 | seanbright | icebrew54: or you masked it for privacy reasons? |
| 03:27.02 | icebrew54 | seanbright: that's callerID, and I commented it out....it's at the end it has "dial" |
| 03:27.04 | bmoraca | keebler: use 900mhz phones |
| 03:27.15 | seanbright | icebrew54: ah. macro. |
| 03:27.20 | keebler | bmoraca: I moveds to Panasonic DECTs |
| 03:27.25 | icebrew54 | seanbright: ${EXTEN:1} is showing dial |
| 03:27.27 | keebler | bmoraca: Problem solved onthe phones |
| 03:27.29 | bmoraca | you should be fine then |
| 03:27.30 | icebrew54 | I think might be because asterisk-gui? |
| 03:27.37 | seanbright | icebrew54: yeah |
| 03:27.42 | keebler | hmm |
| 03:27.57 | icebrew54 | doh. |
| 03:27.58 | keebler | 802.11n or a? Both are 5.8 aren't they? |
| 03:28.23 | bmoraca | yes, but you don't want 802.11n |
| 03:28.26 | bmoraca | stick with A |
| 03:28.48 | icebrew54 | seanbright: any suggestions? |
| 03:29.25 | bmoraca | icebrew54: pastebin the relevant contexts in your dialplan (extensions.conf) |
| 03:29.26 | seanbright | icebrew54: not really. what version of the gui are you using? |
| 03:29.55 | icebrew54 | Asterisk GUI-version : SVN-branch-2.0-r4306 |
| 03:30.31 | bmoraca | keebler: technically, N can operate in both 2.4ghz and 5ghz range...but like I said, it's not standardized yet |
| 03:31.03 | coppice | the eternal beta :-) |
| 03:31.14 | keebler | bmoraca: Yeah... |
| 03:32.02 | bmoraca | it will always be beta...device manufacturers will never agree...they just need to do like every other networking technology and take Cisco's implementation and call it 802.11n2 |
| 03:32.36 | keebler | Heh. I've never used 802.11a before. |
| 03:32.58 | bmoraca | 5ghz doesn't penetrate walls as well as 2.4ghz, but you don't need to worry about that in your case |
| 03:33.00 | keebler | Never had to. I remember when wireless first came out it was serverly limited. |
| 03:33.10 | keebler | bmoraca: Yeah, I know. |
| 03:33.19 | bmoraca | it still is limited, lol |
| 03:33.47 | bmoraca | i hate it...i push all of my clients to wired as hard as i can |
| 03:34.28 | keebler | Heh. The whole industry is wired... Tired of wasting money. |
| 03:34.34 | seanbright | icebrew54: what context are you adding this to? |
| 03:34.46 | seanbright | icebrew54: and you realize this will all be overwritten the next time you save anything from the GUI |
| 03:35.12 | icebrew54 | seanbright: yeah adding this to macro dialout |
| 03:35.25 | icebrew54 | it's a failover dialout, I suppose I need to create my extensions manually at some point |
| 03:37.12 | bmoraca | i love networking...way more than i like voip |
| 03:37.34 | keebler | bmoraca: Heh. |
| 03:37.40 | keebler | bmoraca: Me too. |
| 03:37.55 | keebler | bmoraca: Sadly I spent all my time working on nukes. |
| 03:37.56 | keebler | haha |
| 03:38.02 | keebler | So I'm having to start over. |
| 03:38.11 | icebrew54 | outstanding...ok, used the ${CHANNEL} var and cut it down with the : stuff, and used ${ARG1} and cut it down too |
| 03:38.21 | *** join/#asterisk Maliuta (n=scooby@kiev.lusan.id.au) |
| 03:38.31 | bmoraca | keebler: nukes were probably fun, too... |
| 03:39.03 | keebler | heh.... |
| 03:39.09 | keebler | For the first 10 minutes. |
| 03:39.16 | keebler | The 4 years following is crap. |
| 03:39.23 | bmoraca | lol |
| 03:42.05 | seanbright | icebrew54: yeah, looking at the source, the raw "number dialed" isn't passed into that macro |
| 03:42.06 | keebler | bmoraca: Have you deployed any 802.11a clients? |
| 03:42.37 | keebler | The Cisco stuff is $400 |
| 03:42.40 | keebler | for a Cisco Aironet 1240AG |
| 03:43.07 | bmoraca | never done an A office, but i've done A bridges |
| 03:44.33 | icebrew54 | seanbright: yeah it's kinda disgusting, I just needed something to get our system up and running....I didn't have a lot of time on my hands originally and since it was from digium I trusted it |
| 03:44.49 | bmoraca | keebler: you want the 1300 series for 2.4ghz bridge or the 1400 series for 5.8ghz |
| 03:45.02 | seanbright | icebrew54: for most installs the -gui is probably more than sufficient |
| 03:45.10 | seanbright | icebrew54: unless you're doing call center or integration |
| 03:46.19 | icebrew54 | yeah using it in a small office, adding some basic monitor capability, hylafax/fax2email/email2fax....and some other random macro's |
| 03:47.09 | carrar | hylafax works awesome with asterisk for in and outbound faxes |
| 03:47.35 | icebrew54 | yeah I was using rxfax and getting inconsistent results....all my test faxes worked, but production faxing didn't fair as well |
| 03:47.49 | icebrew54 | now I need to learn how to integrate the fax2email/email2fax into hylafax |
| 03:48.05 | *** join/#asterisk [intra]lanman (n=Raymond@freeswitch/developer/intralanman) |
| 03:48.12 | carrar | fax to PDF/Email you mean? |
| 03:48.37 | carrar | or a OCR to text? |
| 03:48.48 | *** join/#asterisk xnixan (n=xnixan@unaffiliated/xnixan) |
| 03:48.53 | icebrew54 | no just fax to pDF email....and then retrieve email'd PDF's to fax to destination |
| 03:49.01 | carrar | yeah thats pretty much default |
| 03:49.17 | carrar | easier to use the printer driver to send faxes |
| 03:49.17 | keebler | If I were to go with the Cisco price points. I might as well just go with the Firetide. |
| 03:49.26 | carrar | there are a handfull of free printerdrives |
| 03:49.28 | carrar | that work awesome |
| 03:49.41 | carrar | and you can setup authentication |
| 03:50.27 | bmoraca | keebler: probably. for as many clients as you have. however, if the $83 bridges have omni-directional antennas that will get you the full acre range you need, then those would probably be the best bet |
| 03:51.03 | bmoraca | keebler: your call volume is such that you probably won't have to worry about bandwidth |
| 03:54.24 | keebler | Yeah, I'm still just worried about the interference. I suppose I could go crazy on the dBi. |
| 03:54.49 | keebler | And I won't know until I fully test these 802.11gs. |
| 03:54.59 | bmoraca | yep |
| 03:55.18 | keebler | If I'm lucky they'll work right out the gate. |
| 03:55.39 | keebler | But I'm actually doubtful. Since no one has done this. |
| 03:56.00 | bmoraca | well, now that i understand what you're trying to do a little better, it seems quite a bit more plausible |
| 03:56.08 | keebler | Yeah. |
| 03:56.40 | keebler | I was supposed to have this all done last year, but again, very long story. Short story is, I'm running the Tech side of the company now, and have full control. |
| 03:57.13 | bmoraca | you've got 30 small networks with 30 small pbxs with 12 phones each...the wireless connectivity should work fine |
| 03:57.15 | keebler | The Panasonic TDA50 uses 900mhz with 2.4ghz Switching Cell Stations for their Wireless. |
| 03:57.44 | keebler | But you have to manually run a cable to each station from the central PBX. |
| 03:58.00 | keebler | AND each phone is $300. |
| 03:58.48 | bmoraca | ouch |
| 03:58.50 | keebler | As it is now, I keep my current phones and just spend the $50 for the ATAs |
| 03:59.02 | bmoraca | are those the explosion-proof phones? |
| 03:59.10 | keebler | Nope |
| 03:59.14 | keebler | Which was the other hurdle |
| 03:59.31 | bmoraca | which phones are the TDA50? |
| 03:59.59 | bmoraca | oohhh, that's for a panasonic phonesystem |
| 04:00.06 | bmoraca | i thought they were analog phones |
| 04:00.47 | keebler | Well, I'm using Panasonic analog phones now |
| 04:01.01 | keebler | Diffrent than the TDA phones |
| 04:01.05 | keebler | Different |
| 04:01.24 | bmoraca | and just as good, no doubt |
| 04:01.56 | keebler | THese are whatim using http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Phones-Fax/Telephones/DECT-6-0-Phones/model.KX-TG6323PK_11002_7000000000000005702 |
| 04:02.01 | keebler | for the office phones |
| 04:02.19 | *** join/#asterisk rcy (n=rcy@d154-20-167-168.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 04:02.37 | bmoraca | do those have a MWI? or do you not care? |
| 04:03.09 | keebler | MWI? |
| 04:03.23 | bmoraca | message waiting indicator |
| 04:03.31 | keebler | I don't care, but they do. |
| 04:03.46 | keebler | And these are the explosion phones... http://www.gai-tronics.com/telephones/indtele/250_series.htm |
| 04:03.54 | keebler | They sell a VOIP phone, but its $1200 |
| 04:04.19 | bmoraca | oh those are neat looking |
| 04:04.32 | keebler | Yeah |
| 04:04.43 | keebler | damn near indestructable |
| 04:05.16 | bmoraca | the philips cd1 phones have a message indicator if the panasonics don't...and i can confirm that it works with asterisk voicemail boxes and a pap2t |
| 04:05.18 | keebler | And lots of room for me to put my hardware in. |
| 04:05.42 | keebler | Well, I don't even need MWI. |
| 04:05.56 | bmoraca | oh, ok |
| 04:06.02 | keebler | Its actually pretty basic needs. |
| 04:06.12 | keebler | My competitors use regular corded phones from walmart. |
| 04:06.17 | keebler | The $9 variety. |
| 04:06.38 | keebler | Which is another reason they're killing us. |
| 04:06.38 | keebler | lol |
| 04:06.52 | keebler | But I think with better hardware, I can come out better in the end. |
| 04:07.18 | bmoraca | no doubt...you get what you pay for |
| 04:07.23 | keebler | yup |
| 04:07.30 | keebler | And I have a faster response time. |
| 04:07.56 | keebler | And I can check my equipment from home and diagnose the problem from here. |
| 04:08.27 | coppice | $9 for a walmart phone seems quite expensive |
| 04:08.42 | keebler | It was an example. |
| 04:08.47 | keebler | They use very cheap hardware. |
| 04:09.08 | keebler | Hell, they put the phone inside a lockbox and call it "industrial". |
| 04:09.08 | bmoraca | i have a $5 GE wired phone in my kitchen...it works fine for sitting on the wall |
| 04:09.15 | coppice | cheap phones leave the factory at about $1 |
| 04:10.01 | bmoraca | everyone's entitled to make their money...distributors, marketers, retailers...all need a cut :P |
| 04:10.25 | coppice | yeah, everyone except the people who actually make stuff :-) |
| 04:10.30 | keebler | Tomorrow I'm going to put my hacked phone on the roof and see how much of a reception I can get. |
| 04:10.36 | *** join/#asterisk moy (n=moy@CPE001cdfec4cee-CM00080dab8485.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:10.44 | keebler | At 250mW |
| 04:11.26 | keebler | been almost an hour and Asterisk is still building. |
| 04:12.01 | keebler | didn't think the Atom was that "slow", could it be the CF card? |
| 04:12.08 | keebler | its supposed to be a "High speed" |
| 04:12.21 | keebler | 166x faster or some shit. |
| 04:12.27 | bmoraca | could be either |
| 04:12.42 | bmoraca | although Atoms are notoriously slow at things such as compiling |
| 04:12.44 | keebler | I want to keep moving parts and power consumption to a min. |
| 04:13.03 | bmoraca | i'd have chosen a Via C7 myself...but the Atom should work |
| 04:13.18 | keebler | I'm eventually going to deploy some solar units. |
| 04:13.59 | bmoraca | those'll work great when the next hurricane hits texas, i'm sure :) |
| 04:14.22 | keebler | Yeah, heh. My boss is actually working on a grant with FEMA right now. |
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| 04:22.43 | keebler | hmmm |
| 04:22.52 | keebler | I could do RF |
| 04:23.19 | bmoraca | stop worrying about it |
| 04:23.33 | bmoraca | try out the $87 units...they'll work fine |
| 04:23.52 | bmoraca | if your current wireless networks are on channel 1, these on channel 11, the two will never meet |
| 04:23.57 | jaytee | isn't it possible to compile for one processor on a different processor? maybe asterisk or another program could be compiled on a dual core and moved to an atom system. |
| 04:24.32 | Dwev | asterisk vs switchvox vs trixbox vs asteriskNOW - what are the differences? |
| 04:24.38 | Dwev | hello again by the way |
| 04:24.47 | bmoraca | elastix is better than them all :P |
| 04:24.52 | jaytee | Dwev, Google is your friend |
| 04:25.00 | keebler | jaytee: Interesting idea |
| 04:25.04 | Dwev | elastix |
| 04:25.12 | keebler | I have an unused 1.8 C2D sitting right nere |
| 04:25.12 | keebler | here |
| 04:25.17 | Dwev | are they like different distributions of asterisk? |
| 04:25.22 | bmoraca | yes |
| 04:25.27 | Dwev | like ubuntu and debian are distros of linux? |
| 04:25.39 | keebler | Heh. |
| 04:25.46 | keebler | Don't forget PBX in A Flash. |
| 04:25.56 | keebler | All are are CentOS iirc. |
| 04:26.14 | Dwev | so asterisk is part of all of them |
| 04:26.17 | keebler | Yes |
| 04:26.24 | Dwev | right |
| 04:26.28 | bmoraca | keebler: the Atom is an X86 processor...as long as you use the same versions of libraries/kernel, you should be able to just move the binaries over |
| 04:26.33 | jaytee | keebler, I'm just sayin. I'm pretty sure my Visual Studio will let me set compiler options for certain CPU types and I think GCC can have options set to compile for a particular processor even if it's not the one your running. Of course the program wouldn't run on that system but you could move it to the target system to test. |
| 04:26.53 | Dwev | see, i get a more concise answer by asking people who know, jaytee |
| 04:27.05 | Dwev | it could have taken me ages to get to that conclusion just from google |
| 04:27.15 | bmoraca | keebler: I'd be wary of the Atom, though...it's out-of-order capabilites suck |
| 04:27.15 | Dwev | thanks bmoraca and keebler |
| 04:27.24 | bmoraca | which is why it's taking so long to compile |
| 04:27.29 | keebler | Well the glory with FBSD that I love, install i386 versoin and I can move from whatever to whatever |
| 04:27.39 | jaytee | Dwev, and when you were in junior high you kept asking other people to do your homework for you too I bet |
| 04:27.51 | Dwev | you miss my point |
| 04:28.04 | Dwev | i can do long division, or i can grab a calculator |
| 04:28.17 | Dwev | i'm capable of both, but one gives me an answer with a lot less effort |
| 04:28.20 | frogonwheels | Dwev: but you would have learnt more by googling. |
| 04:28.25 | jaytee | Ahm jus fuckin wich ya! |
| 04:28.29 | frogonwheels | Dwev: not just the footnotes ;) |
| 04:29.23 | Dwev | but now i have a big picture understanding, (i can see the forest), i can look deeper and more closely at the different parts of it (the trees) |
| 04:29.42 | keebler | Dwev: You can do like a few of us and just roll your own package. |
| 04:30.10 | keebler | Depending on what you need. |
| 04:30.19 | Dwev | based on asterisk, yeah? |
| 04:30.32 | Dwev | dl the source etc.? |
| 04:30.36 | keebler | erm |
| 04:30.39 | keebler | yes..... |
| 04:30.46 | keebler | But read a lot more. |
| 04:30.48 | bmoraca | keebler: depends on who the target is... |
| 04:30.58 | jaytee | Dwev, Trixbox is Asterisk at the core with FreePBX gui and SQL for storing config data on users/devices. AsteriskNOW is similar to Trixbox in that the 1.5 version also has the option of using FreePBX. Switchvox is a GUI enabled PBX but I'm not sure what's at the core of it. |
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| 04:31.34 | bmoraca | elastix is my favorite asterisk-based distribution |
| 04:31.45 | bmoraca | EvolutionPBX is pretty decent, too, but it's not free |
| 04:32.21 | bmoraca | they do some things better, but Elastix has almost everything it has and is easier to customize |
| 04:32.31 | Dwev | cool |
| 04:32.47 | jaytee | and of course there's Asteriskwin32 :-) |
| 04:32.51 | drmessano | I couldnt stand Elastix |
| 04:33.25 | bmoraca | i've found that it's much easier to convince customers to buy stuff when they could actually see something going on...kinda hard to do with a stock asterisk install |
| 04:33.48 | drmessano | Um |
| 04:34.01 | drmessano | When do customers need to see/care about the GUI on their PBX? |
| 04:34.22 | NovceGuru | jaytee: asterisk 1.4 is at the core of switchvox |
| 04:34.33 | bmoraca | drmessano: when the web gui can let them set up unified messaging, find-me-follow-me, listen to voicemail, and access call logs |
| 04:34.52 | drmessano | bmoraca: Tell that to Cisco |
| 04:35.17 | drmessano | bmoraca: and M$ for that matter |
| 04:35.26 | jaytee | yeah, since most customers don't know shit from shinola they get wowed by a GUI and then after the install they say, "Hey, how can we make the system do "THIS" and several months and thousands of dollars in consulting fees they get what they really wanted but it's usually Asterisk plain vanilla with some custom AGI scripts or a custom hacked version of whatever GUI version they got sold in the first place. |
| 04:35.55 | bmoraca | drmessano: they all have their own GUIs for various things, whether configuration or convinience. |
| 04:36.14 | drmessano | bmoraca: Really? No.. UC500 doesn't |
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| 04:36.36 | jaytee | NovceGuru, aha! so that's the secret! thanks for solving another perplexing mystery for me. |
| 04:36.52 | bmoraca | i'm aware of that, but it's also the bottom barrel of Cisco's telephony solutions. |
| 04:36.58 | NovceGuru | I wasn't sure if you were serious :( |
| 04:37.16 | drmessano | As far as "Unified Messaging" goes, the idea is TRANSPARENCY to the user.. so a GUI to set that up ruins the "UNIFIED" part |
| 04:37.19 | jaytee | I was serious, I didn't know what was at the core |
| 04:37.21 | drmessano | So thats untrue |
| 04:37.54 | NovceGuru | oh, yeah, you can get an asterisk console on ttyp9 |
| 04:38.02 | drmessano | Unified Messaging GUI for the average business user = OUTLOOK |
| 04:38.06 | jaytee | what's the other VOIP software out there that alot of people are hyping now? we were talking about it last week and now I can't remember. It's not an Asterisk derivative. |
| 04:38.10 | drmessano | Not some PBX page |
| 04:38.19 | NovceGuru | jaytee: sipxpbx? |
| 04:38.28 | jaytee | nope, not that one. |
| 04:38.44 | bmoraca | drmessano: er...what? someone has to set up what their cellphone number is, what their email address is, etc. sometimes the needs change, and customers like to know that they can do it themselves, even when they may never end up doing it |
| 04:39.07 | drmessano | bmoraca: They should never be setting that up... their admin should |
| 04:39.28 | bmoraca | drmessano: not necessarily. |
| 04:39.39 | NovceGuru | someone hack polycoms firmware to use a rarely used button for an intercom hardbutton |
| 04:39.42 | NovceGuru | thx! |
| 04:39.43 | drmessano | bmoraca: Letting end users config the PBX.. now that is stupid |
| 04:39.56 | bmoraca | drmessano: they're NOT configuring the PBX |
| 04:39.58 | Dwev | it would be nice if the admins could prevent customers from doing their own admin, but it doesn't always work like that |
| 04:40.11 | drmessano | bmoraca: Wait until the CEO or branch office manager types in his email address in the PBX wrong |
| 04:40.23 | drmessano | bmoraca: "Why didnt someone do this FOR ME?" |
| 04:40.34 | bmoraca | drmessano: that's the point of the interface. they're populating fields that say "send my faxes to this email" or "if i don't answer my phone, call this number" |
| 04:40.40 | Dwev | the answer will come back "Because you didn't want to pay for it" |
| 04:40.55 | jaytee | but it usually ends up with, "Hello? My admin assistant added 4 phones yesterday and now no one has dialtone. Could you come over and fix the system for us right now?" |
| 04:40.59 | bmoraca | drmessano: that's always an option, too, but you've clearly never delt with a small business owner before. they're the worst kind of "i want to do it myself" people. |
| 04:41.09 | drmessano | bmoraca: and gives the average uneducated end user 100 ways to screw up his messaging by hitting something wrong, like a number or email address.. FAIL |
| 04:41.29 | drmessano | bmoraca: Ive dealt with hundreds of them, so dont start a pissing contest with me |
| 04:41.38 | bmoraca | drmessano: instances of that actually happening in my deployments have been 1 user out of 300. |
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| 04:41.56 | bmoraca | drmessano: whatever. you do business your way and I'll do it mine. |
| 04:42.13 | drmessano | bmoraca: Yes, I like my customers to function |
| 04:42.20 | Dwev | easy people |
| 04:42.20 | jaytee | I won't even let my users have access to the Control Panel in Windows because most of them are stupid enough to cripple their systems just trying to change their wallpaper. |
| 04:42.47 | NovceGuru | gpedit.msc |
| 04:42.51 | Dwev | you should be grateful that they are giving the opportunity to return to make some money on a service call |
| 04:43.06 | drmessano | jaytee: Exactly.. and most DONT WANT ACCESS and would rather have an admin DO IT RIGHT instead of them |
| 04:43.12 | jaytee | runs around chat stabbing people at random in a joyous expression of "Ultra Violence" |
| 04:43.35 | jaytee | maybe I'll go to a milk bar after this :-) |
| 04:43.52 | Dwev | open up some admin to your customers, explain that you charge to come and fix stuff, and maybe a paid maintenance agreement might be in their best interests |
| 04:44.06 | drmessano | jaytee: Apparently bmoraca has only dealt with small business owners that are IT people.. because most of ours "dont want to deal with the IT shit, just make it work and send the bill" |
| 04:44.27 | [TK]D-Fender | hands jaytee a clementine timepiece... |
| 04:44.27 | drmessano | Which is how it SHOULD BE for them.. they're running a business, not configging their own equipment all day |
| 04:45.32 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, thank god! for a bit I thought no one here would get the references :-) Shoulda known you would. |
| 04:46.13 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: I'm just BEHIND my time... |
| 04:46.24 | Dwev | there seems to be a bit of a techno-elitism thing happening here causing some of you to miss opportunities to make more money |
| 04:46.34 | Dwev | maybe i'm wrong |
| 04:46.50 | drmessano | Dwev: How long have you been using asterisk? |
| 04:47.07 | Dwev | barely a day |
| 04:47.12 | drmessano | Dwev: Ok then |
| 04:47.18 | Dwev | but i'm involved with technical support as a career |
| 04:47.21 | jaytee | some say "we're all bozos on this bus" but I prefer "we're all anachronisms in this Tardis" |
| 04:47.36 | drmessano | We're all much dumber than the new guy, always.. |
| 04:47.50 | drmessano | We're always doing it wrong, not getting it, or missing an opportunity |
| 04:48.03 | keebler | Heh |
| 04:48.04 | Dwev | i didn't say that |
| 04:48.20 | drmessano | [23:46] <Dwev> there seems to be a bit of a techno-elitism thing happening here causing some of you to miss opportunities to make more money |
| 04:48.22 | drmessano | The hell you didnt |
| 04:48.29 | Dwev | ok, well the last part i did |
| 04:48.32 | keebler | My clients get paid $380K a year to tell people what to do, yet when they need to reboot their laptop cause of too much porn, they freak out. |
| 04:48.34 | Dwev | i ddn't say you were dumber |
| 04:48.46 | keebler | Yet I barely make enough to servive and I keep their entire system running. :( |
| 04:48.48 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: t-t-t-talkin 'bout my regeneration.... |
| 04:48.52 | drmessano | keebler: Wow, THANK YOU.. someone with REAL CLIENTS |
| 04:48.57 | Dwev | keebler: this goes to my point |
| 04:49.10 | drmessano | keebler: Apparently not the "Degree in IT clients" every newb seems to have |
| 04:49.20 | keebler | Yeah. |
| 04:49.27 | drmessano | keebler: The CEO that cant reboot a laptop.. "REAL LIFE" |
| 04:49.38 | drmessano | keebler: The CEO that can set up accounts in AD.. |
| 04:49.42 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: I remember back to the first... |
| 04:49.43 | drmessano | "PETER PAN" |
| 04:49.46 | keebler | Most of these guys never graduated high school too. |
| 04:49.52 | Dwev | heh |
| 04:50.05 | drmessano | keebler: "Just fix it" |
| 04:50.09 | jaytee | drmessano, "remember, you have to hold it over your head and shake it to get it to reboot" |
| 04:50.10 | drmessano | Am I wrong? |
| 04:50.11 | keebler | The Oil Field, everyone's a roughneck. |
| 04:50.16 | keebler | drmessano: Exactly |
| 04:50.16 | bmoraca | keebler: such is the plight of technical consultants |
| 04:50.28 | keebler | drmessano: Its our fault when THEY cut the CAT5. |
| 04:50.46 | keebler | drmessano: its OUR fault when THEY get a virus for opening "VIAGRA NAIO!" |
| 04:50.47 | drmessano | keebler: The server is down.. Of-fucking-course it is! |
| 04:51.13 | drmessano | keebler: But that's why they pay a contract.. and why we service them.. to be wrong.. and to make it right |
| 04:51.31 | keebler | Yup |
| 04:51.40 | drmessano | keebler: Not to set them up with Active Directory Users and Computers on the CEO's laptop so he can config group policy |
| 04:51.42 | keebler | I wish I could charge more. |
| 04:51.53 | Dwev | why can't you keebler? |
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| 04:51.59 | drmessano | keebler: So he can call up and yell about too many people on MySpace and tomorrow they're NOT |
| 04:52.01 | Dwev | (serious q) |
| 04:52.05 | keebler | Dwev: Because my EX-Owner fucked my company. |
| 04:52.09 | jaytee | "Hi, I'm the IT guy! It's kinda like a janitor but I clean up after people that probably shouldn't use a computer in the first place." |
| 04:52.24 | keebler | jaytee: Haha, spot on. |
| 04:52.35 | drmessano | People act like there's something WRONG wih that |
| 04:52.38 | jaytee | it's a living! |
| 04:53.04 | drmessano | It's why they run fucking businesses doing "NOT-IT" and pay *US* to do their fucking IT |
| 04:53.06 | Dwev | are you contractually obliged to charge what you do? |
| 04:53.11 | keebler | Dwev: Yes. |
| 04:53.15 | Dwev | ah |
| 04:53.18 | Dwev | for how long? |
| 04:53.20 | jaytee | I'll never go hungry as long as the average IQ in this country equals the average room temperature of the office they're working in. Job security. |
| 04:53.21 | drmessano | Not so we can overly empower them and bother them with BS trivial tasks |
| 04:53.48 | keebler | Dwev: Thats the fucked up part. Indefinitely...until they no longer need my services... which is NEVER. |
| 04:53.54 | Dwev | hmm |
| 04:54.05 | drmessano | $200 to fix their Outlook is chump change compared to missing 2 days worth of emails |
| 04:54.13 | drmessano | CODB = Cost Of Doing Business |
| 04:54.14 | Dwev | you may be able to get that looked at though keebler |
| 04:54.20 | keebler | My exowner did that gig, $50 a service call, at $17 an hour. |
| 04:54.39 | Dwev | you can terminate the contract |
| 04:54.47 | keebler | Not when its my only client. |
| 04:54.47 | Dwev | if you can afford to lose the client |
| 04:54.50 | Dwev | ahhhh |
| 04:54.54 | keebler | ;P |
| 04:55.00 | drmessano | and $200 to fix their e-mail account in the PBX so their voicemails go to their BlackBerry properly = CODB and happily paid to not have to fuck with it themselves |
| 04:55.04 | Dwev | so, diversify |
| 04:55.10 | keebler | I do have one other actually, but only two rigs. |
| 04:55.14 | keebler | Dwev: We're trying. |
| 04:55.18 | Dwev | ok |
| 04:55.24 | Dwev | i'll be quiet now |
| 04:55.27 | Dwev | :) |
| 04:55.30 | keebler | Dwev: I'm even opening up another company. Computer Repair...I've sunk so low. |
| 04:55.33 | drmessano | Empowering your users to do more is just setting them up to fuck it up, and for them to wonder why they need you in the first place.. since they can make it NOT work WITHOUT you |
| 04:55.35 | Dwev | oh no |
| 04:55.39 | Dwev | not repairs... |
| 04:55.41 | Dwev | :p |
| 04:55.44 | keebler | Yeah, and parts/ |
| 04:55.53 | bmoraca | keebler: being that it's such a specialty market you're in...i'd think that you could probably just get hired as a full-time consultant to them |
| 04:56.07 | keebler | bmoraca: I'm working on it. |
| 04:56.14 | Dwev | it all helps though keebler |
| 04:56.15 | bmoraca | or maybe the oil-field-technical-support market is really booming in texas |
| 04:56.21 | keebler | bmoraca: I want to get this wireless networking inished before I confront them. |
| 04:56.30 | bmoraca | sure |
| 04:56.32 | keebler | bmoraca: Well, they have their own In House IT. |
| 04:56.32 | Dwev | when there's a downturn in service work, you'll find the repair/parts work picks up |
| 04:56.40 | keebler | bmoraca: And the guy is an idiot. |
| 04:57.05 | bmoraca | keebler: that's almost always the case with "in-house IT guys" |
| 04:57.08 | keebler | Dwev: Yeah, because people try to make do with the older hardware. |
| 04:57.19 | Dwev | vertical market |
| 04:57.28 | Dwev | get as much of it as you can |
| 04:57.30 | Dwev | :) |
| 04:57.38 | keebler | That, and I live in a retirement/resort town. |
| 04:57.42 | keebler | 90% old people. |
| 04:57.47 | keebler | And the only computer store is Staples. |
| 04:58.05 | Dwev | retirement villages don't have networks or phone systems? |
| 04:58.25 | Dwev | hmm, i said i was going to be quiet |
| 04:58.26 | Dwev | sorry |
| 04:58.29 | keebler | Hahah |
| 04:59.10 | bmoraca | we charge $80/hr for inhouse support, $125/hr for onsite support and you'd be surprised how many people will pay it |
| 04:59.21 | Dwev | USD? |
| 04:59.22 | bmoraca | we server a mostly-niche market of dental offices, though...but still |
| 04:59.23 | jaytee | With the economic downturn and the loss of expertise in retail electronics Tandy Corp has had to change their Radio Shack slogan from "You've got questions, we've got answers." to "Yeah, we got stuff." |
| 04:59.25 | bmoraca | yes, USD |
| 04:59.43 | Dwev | what sort of support, straight IT? |
| 05:00.00 | Dwev | or more specialised? |
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| 05:00.23 | drmessano | That's easy to do with managed services work |
| 05:00.31 | bmoraca | Dwev: full service...networking, web design, managed systems support, phone systems, computer support, etc...you name it...with dental offices, it's mostly Dentrix (practice management software) and digital x-ray and imaging systems |
| 05:00.47 | drmessano | Dentrix lol |
| 05:00.56 | Dwev | ahh proprietry software? |
| 05:01.11 | drmessano | Great software, semi well supported by the developer |
| 05:01.16 | bmoraca | well, it's made by Sullivan Schein, the world's top dental supply supplier |
| 05:01.25 | Dwev | i charge our techs out at $150 p.h. plus a $90 callout fee |
| 05:01.36 | Dwev | and then $250ph outside business hours |
| 05:01.50 | Dwev | but then we have maintenance agreements |
| 05:02.13 | Dwev | they pay up front |
| 05:02.23 | Dwev | and then they get 50% off the price of service calls |
| 05:02.26 | Dwev | 30% off parts |
| 05:02.30 | Dwev | but they still pay |
| 05:02.42 | drmessano | The same company that doesnt know which version of .NET works with G2 or G3, and barely supports their PCMCIA sensor they happily sell all day long |
| 05:02.48 | Dwev | it's more specialised though |
| 05:02.53 | drmessano | Otherwise, it works well |
| 05:03.13 | bmoraca | what's your primary market? general support? |
| 05:03.26 | Dwev | hotel access control systems |
| 05:03.28 | Dwev | and safes |
| 05:03.42 | Dwev | so hotels is the main customer |
| 05:03.45 | Dwev | *are |
| 05:03.49 | Dwev | +s |
| 05:03.53 | bmoraca | ahhhhh |
| 05:04.02 | bmoraca | that's definitely more specialized than we are |
| 05:04.19 | drmessano | Specializing is easy.. being diverse is hard |
| 05:04.40 | bmoraca | the best thing about our market is that people hire the cheap guys who screw it up and then they have to call us anyway and it always takes longer to fix after someone else has screwed it up first |
| 05:04.59 | Dwev | but the maintenance agreements are awesome for us |
| 05:05.08 | Dwev | we get money whether they need service or not |
| 05:05.13 | Dwev | and then we get more when they do |
| 05:05.22 | Dwev | but they pay for the piece of mind |
| 05:05.56 | Dwev | and sometimes we get the customers who will go in and make their own changes and then have to call us to fix them every week |
| 05:06.05 | drmessano | You dont monitor or provide ongoing service like support of backups? |
| 05:06.14 | icebrew54 | lol hell no |
| 05:06.20 | icebrew54 | he prolly doesn't |
| 05:06.23 | icebrew54 | just the security blanket |
| 05:06.29 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 05:06.37 | Dwev | me? |
| 05:06.37 | icebrew54 | "pay and you have 24/7/365 support with X incidents" |
| 05:06.46 | Dwev | no no |
| 05:06.50 | Dwev | we do preventative maintenance |
| 05:06.55 | Dwev | and store backups offsite |
| 05:06.56 | drmessano | Thats messed up.. no value added services and no preventative care.. good luck with that |
| 05:07.10 | drmessano | store them? |
| 05:07.12 | Dwev | unlimited incidents |
| 05:07.16 | drmessano | Do you facilitate them? |
| 05:07.27 | drmessano | Monitor them, ensure they're running daily? |
| 05:07.32 | Dwev | we encourage their IT department to implement a backup protocol |
| 05:07.36 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 05:07.40 | Dwev | but that's not our job |
| 05:07.46 | drmessano | Aight |
| 05:07.49 | icebrew54 | yeah best to steer away from their data backup |
| 05:07.56 | icebrew54 | liability.... |
| 05:08.08 | icebrew54 | unless it's what you do |
| 05:08.15 | drmessano | Well, we do |
| 05:08.23 | drmessano | That's part of ongoing |
| 05:08.42 | bmoraca | enforcing backup protocol is always the responsibility of the customer...unless they want to pay me to come swap their tapes every day, but that could get expensive. |
| 05:08.56 | drmessano | The way it should be IMO.. Supporting them on a good day is easy.. on a bad day is when you earn your contract money |
| 05:09.00 | NovceGuru | bmoraca: familar with suni? |
| 05:09.21 | drmessano | or you give them a backup solution like an autoloader or NAS |
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| 05:09.29 | NovceGuru | I support a dental office that runs dentrix and suni....fuck me |
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| 05:09.37 | drmessano | ha |
| 05:09.42 | drmessano | Dentrix is always fun |
| 05:09.45 | drmessano | Softdent is worse |
| 05:09.59 | icebrew54 | thank god I don't have to support that shit... |
| 05:10.06 | NovceGuru | the GX version of dentrix is TERRIBLE |
| 05:10.07 | bmoraca | suni are like the k-mart of sensors, aren't they? |
| 05:10.10 | drmessano | Softdent is the only piece of software I have ever seen that has repair utilites more robust than the APP ITSELF |
| 05:10.16 | icebrew54 | lol |
| 05:10.24 | drmessano | Im serious |
| 05:10.32 | NovceGuru | they get notifications that popup behind the main program that locks the program up unless you alt-tab to the notification |
| 05:10.40 | NovceGuru | try explaining that to a bunch of dental assistants |
| 05:10.46 | drmessano | Their "Utilities" program has more shit in it than the practice app itself |
| 05:10.50 | icebrew54 | haha |
| 05:10.52 | bmoraca | i don't do much of the dentrix support, but i do know that most of the offices we have use dexis |
| 05:10.52 | icebrew54 | jesus |
| 05:11.04 | NovceGuru | drmessano: awesome! |
| 05:11.08 | drmessano | Dexis with the Dexis sensor is SO SO |
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| 05:11.13 | drmessano | The new USB one rocks |
| 05:11.19 | drmessano | The old PCMCIA one is crap |
| 05:11.45 | drmessano | PCMCIA 5.25 bays FTL |
| 05:12.06 | NovceGuru | is that for digital xrays? |
| 05:12.34 | drmessano | I had an issue with Dentrix G2 where their appointment book wouldnt open... and one of the mem resident startup apps for Dentrix as well |
| 05:12.49 | drmessano | It was one of the few EXE's in G2 that was compiled in .NET, rest in C++ at that point |
| 05:13.02 | drmessano | Ten phone calls later to Tier 2 at Dentrix |
| 05:13.09 | bmoraca | yes...i just googled suni, they're intraoral cameras...but from all I've heard, they're still the worst quality and the cheapest |
| 05:13.11 | NovceGuru | I have a g4 cd sitting in my closet....dreading |
| 05:13.24 | drmessano | "Oh, you need .NET 2.0, but you MUST REMOVE 1.1 and 1.0 because they WILL cause problems" |
| 05:13.34 | bmoraca | G4 isn't much different than G3 |
| 05:13.40 | NovceGuru | their solution is always reinstal |
| 05:13.49 | NovceGuru | bmoraca: I guess it allows family-wide flagging is the only new feature i've heard about |
| 05:13.51 | drmessano | We did that.. same issue |
| 05:13.56 | drmessano | Had to remove 1.1 |
| 05:13.58 | drmessano | But get this |
| 05:14.06 | drmessano | Same setup worked fine on 10 other workstations |
| 05:14.11 | bmoraca | that's one of the biggest complaints about previous versions, i hear |
| 05:14.12 | drmessano | 2 of them crapped out |
| 05:14.12 | NovceGuru | the CUST folder always needs it's content renamed |
| 05:14.16 | drmessano | Same issue |
| 05:14.25 | drmessano | Suddenly, .NET was an issue |
| 05:14.36 | bmoraca | G3/G4 is required for HIPPA 2009, though |
| 05:14.37 | drmessano | Removing .NET 1.1 resolved it |
| 05:14.46 | drmessano | yep |
| 05:14.48 | NovceGuru | drmessano: haha hardlinking to files? fail |
| 05:15.06 | NovceGuru | bmoraca: yes suni...omfg |
| 05:15.13 | drmessano | NovceGuru: Yes, that would be my only guess |
| 05:15.17 | NovceGuru | the usb sensors always randomly stop working |
| 05:15.43 | drmessano | The Dexis USB sensor is decent.. good quality.. drivers come with the latest Dexis |
| 05:15.49 | drmessano | So its pretty idiot proof install |
| 05:16.10 | NovceGuru | i'll take note of it, for when the suni sensors start to die |
| 05:16.32 | NovceGuru | They do have a digital planmeca panoral camera that has been pretty decent |
| 05:16.34 | bmoraca | have you ever looked at opendental at all yet? |
| 05:16.57 | NovceGuru | bmoraca: I stopped messing with OSS for healthcare, I can't support it |
| 05:17.17 | NovceGuru | I should say..OSS without commercial, hand off to them support |
| 05:18.05 | NovceGuru | drmessano: this office has a bunch of 2.8ghz P4s though and dentrix is starting to get slowwwwwwwww |
| 05:18.18 | drmessano | NovceGuru: Yeah, have run into that |
| 05:18.18 | NovceGuru | 12 P4s and 10 CELERONS haaha |
| 05:18.32 | NovceGuru | I didn't setup the office but their front office girls are on celerons and complain so much |
| 05:18.45 | NovceGuru | I maxxed out the ram in them...helped a bit. But it's a hog |
| 05:18.55 | drmessano | NovceGuru: tell them to close myspace when they're setting up appointments |
| 05:19.13 | bmoraca | NovceGuru: putting them on a gigabit network will help quite a bit...the actual system requirements aren't that bad |
| 05:19.28 | drmessano | Gigabit is a MUST |
| 05:19.29 | NovceGuru | bmoraca: I did, it helped about 15%-20% im guessing |
| 05:19.37 | drmessano | Cool, good |
| 05:19.54 | NovceGuru | removing the AV helped also, next step is disabling internet access |
| 05:19.57 | drmessano | Most practice management software will belly up and die at 100 meg |
| 05:20.11 | bmoraca | eek...i would have disabled internet access first |
| 05:20.26 | bmoraca | NovceGuru: are they on a server or in a workgroup? |
| 05:20.35 | NovceGuru | yeah, I did that in reverse |
| 05:20.47 | drmessano | Make sure Dentrix is on a secondary partition on the server |
| 05:20.48 | keebler | two hours later, and Asterisk is still compiling. oy vey |
| 05:20.49 | NovceGuru | sbs2003, problem is they need internet access for invisaling |
| 05:20.57 | NovceGuru | invisalign* |
| 05:21.03 | keebler | At least with the distros it only took 30 minutes |
| 05:21.05 | drmessano | Dentix on the C drive is hell on earth |
| 05:21.08 | NovceGuru | drmessano: I had to move it to the D drive |
| 05:21.13 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 05:22.15 | drmessano | What is SLOW? Appointment book? |
| 05:22.22 | NovceGuru | patient chart |
| 05:22.27 | drmessano | Err yeah |
| 05:22.36 | bmoraca | NovceGuru: if they're on SBS2003 Premium, you can use ISA to restrict that. alternatively, you can play around with local DNS zones |
| 05:22.36 | NovceGuru | appt book blazes |
| 05:22.39 | drmessano | G3? |
| 05:22.44 | NovceGuru | yep |
| 05:23.04 | NovceGuru | bmoraca: yeah I think i'll block at the firewall level (fuck ISA :) ) |
| 05:23.13 | drmessano | Just for shits and giggles, make sure .NET 1.1 isnt on one of the boxes and try it.. they told me it would use the lower .NET runtime it found |
| 05:23.25 | NovceGuru | interesting |
| 05:23.29 | NovceGuru | makes note |
| 05:23.34 | drmessano | and if 1.1 fucks it up on SOME boxes, it may SLOW others |
| 05:23.49 | drmessano | ^^^^^ I wasnt thinking earlier... the patient chart WAS my issue |
| 05:24.01 | drmessano | It's .NET and some of the other EXEs are C++ |
| 05:24.21 | drmessano | Dunno how they segement it like that.. I would imagine it would all be the same codebase |
| 05:24.23 | drmessano | same platform |
| 05:24.28 | NovceGuru | you would think! |
| 05:24.30 | drmessano | But apparently not, according tot hem |
| 05:24.55 | drmessano | But yeah.. Patient Chart.. and the start app I am drawing a total blank on.. would crash and burn |
| 05:25.22 | drmessano | Removed .NET 1.1, rebooted.. night and day |
| 05:25.47 | drmessano | So thats worth a try.. |
| 05:26.00 | NovceGuru | the dtx quicklauncher? Or the |
| 05:26.07 | NovceGuru | hm |
| 05:26.10 | NovceGuru | oh, websync utility |
| 05:26.20 | drmessano | Dentrix wont be of too much help.. they always want you to force NIC's to 1000/FULL, etc.. its never Dentrix at fault |
| 05:26.20 | NovceGuru | I'll give that a try, thanks for the tip |
| 05:26.26 | drmessano | Websync! |
| 05:26.30 | drmessano | Yah |
| 05:26.53 | NovceGuru | They want me to integrate dentrix's web services into their website |
| 05:27.16 | NovceGuru | I can't wait to expose dentrix to the www |
| 05:27.25 | drmessano | heh |
| 05:27.45 | NovceGuru | so yeah, suni doesn't use a db, it stores everything in a file hierarchy |
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| 05:27.53 | NovceGuru | makes managing backups totally awesome |
| 05:27.59 | drmessano | HIPPA = Helping intertards pwn patient data? |
| 05:28.04 | drmessano | errr |
| 05:28.12 | drmessano | HIPPA = Helping intertards pwn patient accounts |
| 05:28.17 | NovceGuru | there you go, heh |
| 05:28.18 | drmessano | It was funnier when I thought it |
| 05:28.22 | drmessano | Anyway |
| 05:28.57 | NovceGuru | so I can't get a good answer about using amazon s3 for HIPPA compliant backups, but I figure with some high encrpytion it should be ok |
| 05:29.00 | drmessano | Softdent is a flat file DB too |
| 05:29.08 | drmessano | But its umm |
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| 05:29.16 | drmessano | About as resilient as a text file |
| 05:29.29 | drmessano | Go shut a workstation off.. |
| 05:29.36 | drmessano | Just hit the power button |
| 05:29.37 | NovceGuru | heh yeah, and suni can't track patient name changes in dentrix..ffs |
| 05:29.41 | drmessano | BAM, DB issue! |
| 05:30.05 | NovceGuru | yeah I cringe when a workstation freezes and I have to hard shutdown |
| 05:30.16 | drmessano | Rebuild/Reindex, Repair, Recreate Appointment book.. over and over |
| 05:30.28 | drmessano | Not that ive done that much.. oh, yeah, I have |
| 05:30.33 | NovceGuru | heh :D |
| 05:30.58 | drmessano | I know the process so well, I walk SOFTDENT TECHS through it |
| 05:31.13 | drmessano | "Oh yeah, um, youre right" |
| 05:31.15 | NovceGuru | "don't you mean $this" haa |
| 05:31.18 | drmessano | "Yes, I know" |
| 05:31.33 | drmessano | "I KNOW I AM RIGHT.. OH OH OHHHHHHHH" - Sam Kinison |
| 05:33.01 | NovceGuru | lets see whats another awesome proprietary program |
| 05:33.09 | NovceGuru | peachtree |
| 05:33.30 | NovceGuru | and it's requirements for a windows server |
| 05:33.38 | drmessano | Maxwell Management Suite |
| 05:33.38 | NovceGuru | to run some btrieve db |
| 05:34.07 | NovceGuru | haven't had to use it...but we can't forget about the 500000 access databases that exist |
| 05:34.16 | drmessano | HA |
| 05:34.31 | drmessano | Running a business of an Access Database = WIN |
| 05:34.31 | NovceGuru | that scale SO WELL |
| 05:34.34 | drmessano | off |
| 05:35.06 | drmessano | Wait |
| 05:35.16 | NovceGuru | I wish peachtree would quit threatening to move to mysql and just fucking do it so I can move the db off a workstation |
| 05:35.17 | drmessano | Running a business off an Excel sheet = WIN |
| 05:35.20 | NovceGuru | hahahaha |
| 05:35.21 | NovceGuru | YES |
| 05:35.47 | Dwev | hmm |
| 05:35.58 | Dwev | i don't like access |
| 05:36.03 | drmessano | Just because Excel CAN have Infinite columns, rows, and sheets, doesnt mean IT SHOULD |
| 05:36.03 | NovceGuru | I have seen excel do some shit I didn't know even access could do |
| 05:36.11 | *** join/#asterisk bakermd (n=bakermd@c-98-192-70-94.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 05:36.25 | bakermd | What do the messages mean that state: Really destroying SIP dialog |
| 05:36.30 | Dwev | i hadn't had much exposure to it and i didn't like it |
| 05:36.41 | Dwev | and now i have had quite a bit of exposure to it, i like it less |
| 05:36.57 | bakermd | i.e. Really destroying SIP dialog '4e44b4c06a1d8c0c09917ca06f419a61@38.xxx.xxx.xxx' Method: OPTIONS |
| 05:37.17 | NovceGuru | bakermd: I *think* thats normal and you have debugging turned way up, I could be wrong |
| 05:37.45 | NovceGuru | I know of a business that runs terminal services for about 20 users and runs an access DB in each session |
| 05:37.47 | drmessano | I will hand it it Intuit.. Quickbooks is closed and elitist as hell.. but works |
| 05:37.48 | bakermd | NovceGuru: Just a single level of debugging shows these |
| 05:38.31 | drmessano | You copy a Quickbooks CD for application backup and they want you to buy a license for the blank CD.. lol |
| 05:38.46 | drmessano | </exaggeration> |
| 05:39.41 | drmessano | But you know, NovceGuru... I LOVE the proprietary software |
| 05:39.51 | drmessano | Like ACS for churches |
| 05:39.53 | drmessano | Etc |
| 05:40.00 | drmessano | Its always a puzzle |
| 05:40.10 | drmessano | and not one the developer can solve half the time |
| 05:40.14 | drmessano | Even if its THEIR end |
| 05:40.17 | NovceGuru | right |
| 05:40.23 | NovceGuru | have to figure it out themselves |
| 05:40.27 | NovceGuru | er, yourself |
| 05:41.04 | drmessano | But I love it.. I am the "Shit that doesnt make sense" guy at the office because I love the really effed up problems with the proprietary apps |
| 05:41.35 | NovceGuru | heh |
| 05:41.44 | drmessano | Dentrix wont work with patients with the letter Q in their name.. give it to Danny |
| 05:42.11 | Dwev | poor Quentin Quinn |
| 05:42.19 | NovceGuru | oh we use Q for a variable in the APPT book app but didn't esape it |
| 05:42.21 | NovceGuru | escape |
| 05:42.24 | drmessano | :( Yeah |
| 05:42.33 | drmessano | HA |
| 05:42.49 | NovceGuru | ACS firehouse software |
| 05:43.03 | NovceGuru | diaf |
| 05:43.11 | drmessano | Quincy Quincy is the Dentrix Demo user and any Q names other than his will crash _________ |
| 05:43.27 | drmessano | HA |
| 05:43.32 | NovceGuru | is that still an outstanding issue/ |
| 05:43.32 | NovceGuru | ? |
| 05:43.52 | drmessano | "Fixed in 12.not-the-revision-you-have" |
| 05:44.28 | NovceGuru | yeah |
| 05:44.41 | drmessano | Were you being fecetious? I guess I should have made it clear I was joking.. since that sounded all too real |
| 05:44.42 | NovceGuru | acs firehouse has the stupidest method of syncing clients |
| 05:45.08 | NovceGuru | oh hell the way dentrix is I believed you :P |
| 05:45.20 | drmessano | I would have too :D |
| 05:45.52 | drmessano | Who makes ACS firehouse? |
| 05:46.11 | NovceGuru | acs-inc |
| 05:46.31 | NovceGuru | apparently differnt from the acs church software |
| 05:47.42 | drmessano | Yeah, I was just checking that.. even to see if it was the same company and different branded website |
| 05:48.04 | drmessano | You do any POS? |
| 05:48.47 | NovceGuru | have steared clear of that so far, I do have a machine shop that uses WASP to barcode their products that pulls from an excel file...speak of the devil |
| 05:49.37 | drmessano | Been looking for some that uses FPOS.. we have a few customers on it in the restaurant business |
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| 05:50.28 | NovceGuru | I was looking at setting up a lumber yard with an intuit POS system but they didn't go through with it |
| 05:50.32 | NovceGuru | googles fpos |
| 05:51.09 | NovceGuru | oh fpos in general, not a specific app? |
| 05:51.13 | drmessano | FPOS is cool functionally, but the backend is high maint.. We actually learned more than we should ever have to as local support |
| 05:51.21 | drmessano | Future POS |
| 05:51.28 | drmessano | or "FPOS" |
| 05:51.34 | johnakabean | hey fender\messano what do you make of this? http://pastebin.centos.org/23522 |
| 05:51.35 | NovceGuru | gotcha |
| 05:51.52 | drmessano | http://www.futurepos.com/CESWEB/site/pg_home.aspx |
| 05:52.00 | NovceGuru | johnakabean: it practically tells you the problem |
| 05:52.26 | drmessano | unexpected '>' |
| 05:52.33 | drmessano | Sounds to me like |
| 05:52.38 | drmessano | It didnt expect |
| 05:52.42 | drmessano | '>' |
| 05:52.46 | NovceGuru | drmessano: looks cool, I've thought about presenting a web-ordering system for some local pizza shops |
| 05:53.08 | drmessano | unexpected 'spanish inquisition" |
| 05:53.41 | NovceGuru | though they are somewhat low volume and would probably want zendcart with a paypal gatway |
| 05:53.42 | jaytee | "no one expects the Spanish Inquisition" |
| 05:54.07 | drmessano | For more help see the "Surprise and Fear" section of the admin manual |
| 05:54.38 | johnakabean | yeah, messano but this was generated by freepbx......i have only added a couple things, |
| 05:54.41 | carrar | My name is Inigo Montoya |
| 05:54.42 | jaytee | NovceGuru, you could use Lumenvox Speech Recognition! they even include a pizza demo on their website for a speech enabled IVR with Asterisk. |
| 05:54.53 | jaytee | you killed my father, prepare to die! |
| 05:54.53 | johnakabean | my dialplans aren't causing errors |
| 05:55.28 | NovceGuru | jaytee: thats cool, a web based/ivr system would be cool |
| 05:55.35 | NovceGuru | I find most people _HATE_ IVRs though |
| 05:55.57 | carrar | I _HATE_ IVR's that you have to speak too |
| 05:55.58 | jaytee | Press 9 to send a hitman over here to strangle me |
| 05:56.14 | jaytee | Press 8 if you've totally lost interest and forgot why you called us. |
| 05:56.28 | NovceGuru | I _LOVE_ ivrs that utilize your callerID to provide the callee info |
| 05:56.39 | johnakabean | Guru, lookup swift by cepstral |
| 05:57.07 | NovceGuru | and/or route your call |
| 05:57.12 | jaytee | my all time fave was a real 800 number back in 2000 that if you called and listened to the first 4 choices it would then say, "To hear a duck quack, press 5" and if you pressed 5 you heard a duck quack and then they disconnected. |
| 05:57.18 | [TK]D-Fender | carrar: Oh.. I don't believe they exist... |
| 05:57.23 | NovceGuru | johnakabean: thx |
| 06:02.56 | johnakabean | yw |
| 06:03.26 | johnakabean | their text to speech is the most realistic |
| 06:03.32 | johnakabean | and its only 25 bucks for a license |
| 06:05.04 | johnakabean | what is mgcp? |
| 06:06.03 | johnakabean | guru, it says the problem but the problem is not evident |
| 06:06.08 | johnakabean | http://pastebin.centos.org/23522 |
| 06:06.15 | johnakabean | not relating to mgcp |
| 06:07.22 | [TK]D-Fender | problem is clear |
| 06:11.41 | keebler | Hehe.. Going DDWRT crazy... flashing third WRT54G for the day. |
| 06:12.33 | icebrew54 | you do any testing with that tomato firmware? |
| 06:12.38 | icebrew54 | that shit looks like it's fast as heck |
| 06:12.44 | keebler | Nope. |
| 06:12.53 | icebrew54 | I read that wifi speeds are nearly double in some cases |
| 06:12.55 | johnakabean | fender, i didn't create that dialplan so i have no idea where it is |
| 06:12.58 | keebler | I've got a craptop of WRT54G v.6s |
| 06:13.09 | keebler | the v6s only have 2mb of ram |
| 06:13.20 | icebrew54 | yep, google it up |
| 06:13.21 | johnakabean | freepbx is creating a lot of dialplans that have errors |
| 06:13.34 | keebler | and they're finiky as they don't actually come pre installed with linux firmware |
| 06:13.43 | icebrew54 | yeah vxworks or something? |
| 06:13.46 | keebler | yeah |
| 06:13.49 | keebler | pos |
| 06:14.23 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: Up the verbose and watch your CLI... |
| 06:14.53 | bmoraca | PG&E has a very well done IVR for setting up gas service...it's crazy |
| 06:15.08 | johnakabean | 99 |
| 06:15.53 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: if that was pumped out CLI then you'd have seen the line that generated it... |
| 06:16.11 | *** join/#asterisk tamseel (n=IceChat7@116.71.222.76) |
| 06:16.26 | johnakabean | no, its in the asterisk full log |
| 06:16.46 | jaytee | well, if the log is full maybe you'd better empty it |
| 06:16.53 | johnakabean | lol |
| 06:16.57 | johnakabean | i hope he's joking |
| 06:17.02 | jaytee | moi? |
| 06:17.06 | johnakabean | he's not |
| 06:17.20 | johnakabean | the full log is where asterisk logs everything......aka FULL logging |
| 06:17.37 | jaytee | whispers "I'm Batman!" |
| 06:17.39 | johnakabean | i have 75 percent disk space left jaytee |
| 06:18.05 | johnakabean | that's after about 30000 recorded phone calls |
| 06:18.09 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: logs are worthless in debugging this.. you need to see the actual dialplan being executed |
| 06:18.22 | johnakabean | ok i will try to create it |
| 06:18.30 | jaytee | I have 66% of my cognitive abilities left and 74% of the vodka left so it's shaping up to be a good night! |
| 06:19.08 | johnakabean | i can't stand getting drunk on white liquor |
| 06:19.26 | jaytee | I drink it ice cold and straight |
| 06:19.48 | jaytee | but only Stoli or Absolut |
| 06:21.17 | johnakabean | i do like the new red peppermint absolut |
| 06:21.21 | johnakabean | but that's it |
| 06:21.27 | johnakabean | grey goose is ok |
| 06:21.44 | johnakabean | anyway, fender, how do you search in the contents of all files? |
| 06:21.52 | johnakabean | cat? | grep ? |
| 06:22.02 | jaytee | grep |
| 06:22.11 | johnakabean | jaytee, drink your vodka |
| 06:23.14 | johnakabean | jaytee, cat opens each file the | says THEN grep or find within these files |
| 06:23.25 | johnakabean | i can't remember the parameters for each command though |
| 06:23.26 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: Never had a need to. |
| 06:23.35 | jaytee | cat does not "search" files. it concatenates files to standard output. grep searches output or files for whatever string or strings you pass it. |
| 06:23.48 | johnakabean | ok |
| 06:23.54 | johnakabean | you just said what i typed |
| 06:23.57 | [TK]D-Fender | ~uuoc |
| 06:23.58 | jbot | methinks uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 06:23.59 | johnakabean | cat | grep |
| 06:24.02 | jaytee | not exactly |
| 06:24.25 | johnakabean | jaytee, cat opens the fuckin file then grep searches through that output that cat |
| 06:24.28 | johnakabean | hence |
| 06:24.31 | johnakabean | cat | grep |
| 06:24.50 | johnakabean | its called a double syntax |
| 06:25.05 | jaytee | "Don't make me come back there! I'll turn this car around if you keep it up!" |
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| 06:25.35 | johnakabean | ccome back here? you're not driving |
| 06:26.02 | *** join/#asterisk bbryant (n=brett@c-68-59-20-153.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 06:26.08 | jaytee | prepares to ram a copy of O'Reilly's Learning Perl up johnakabean's ass. |
| 06:26.14 | johnakabean | don't make me stop at every gas station, jaytee, pretend to fill up, and demand money from your drunk ass |
| 06:26.34 | jaytee | lol |
| 06:27.08 | johnakabean | i am not needing to write a perl script |
| 06:27.15 | jaytee | lucky you! |
| 06:27.40 | johnakabean | i will stick to php to do everything i need asimiliar to pearl |
| 06:27.42 | johnakabean | perl |
| 06:28.04 | *** join/#asterisk Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/Staff/Sargun) |
| 06:28.17 | jaytee | perl and php go together like peas and carrots. they're almost the Forrest and Jenny of scripting! |
| 06:28.19 | johnakabean | leave the kids alone, jbot |
| 06:28.34 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: Any closer to actually watching the error happening? |
| 06:28.57 | jaytee | jbot botsnack |
| 06:28.57 | jbot | jaytee: :) |
| 06:29.01 | Corydon76-dig | http://www.drunkcoder.com/demotivator_ruby.jpg |
| 06:29.05 | johnakabean | i'm trying to search within the .conf files to find "> 5" |
| 06:29.17 | jaytee | jbot I missed not having you around |
| 06:29.18 | jbot | You missed not having you around? |
| 06:29.29 | jaytee | jbot, no, I missed you! |
| 06:29.32 | johnakabean | i'm thinking cat "*.conf" | grep -i "> 5" |
| 06:30.16 | jaytee | Corydon76-dig, hahahaaaaa |
| 06:30.17 | Corydon76-dig | johnakabean: you don't need the cat |
| 06:30.48 | Corydon76-dig | grep -H "> 5" *.conf |
| 06:31.13 | jaytee | sell the cat to a friggin chinese restaurant and just use grep fer chrissakes |
| 06:31.37 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: that wasn't in the PB you provided, nor is it likely to occur as such |
| 06:31.44 | Corydon76-dig | People only eat cat when they're desperate. They do eat dog, though |
| 06:31.54 | jaytee | yep |
| 06:32.14 | *** join/#asterisk ajmcello (n=ajmcello@75.151.111.233) |
| 06:32.18 | jaytee | in many countries Fido is a delicacy. |
| 06:32.34 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig: I used to live next to a Chinese buffet restaurant... the most remarkably cat-free neigbourhood around.... |
| 06:32.41 | jaytee | "Man's Best Friend, it's what's for dinner!" |
| 06:33.10 | jaytee | NO BUFFET!!! YOU TOO FAT, YOU GO HOME NOW! YOU BEEN HERE 4 HOUR!! |
| 06:33.33 | Corydon76-dig | Cat is notably rather stringy |
| 06:33.35 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Corydon76-dig : http://tinyurl.com/2betyd |
| 06:33.40 | Corydon76-dig | It's not good eats |
| 06:34.23 | *** join/#asterisk nix8n82 (n=nate@63.162.28.222) |
| 06:34.37 | jaytee | rattlesnake is kinda like a greasy chicken |
| 06:34.42 | Corydon76-dig | OTOH, I'm told that Dog is rather delicious |
| 06:35.16 | jaytee | and frog legs really aren't bad at all if cooked properly |
| 06:35.18 | Corydon76-dig | Given that I gave up eating mammals in high school, though, I'll never find out |
| 06:36.00 | Corydon76-dig | You don't know how much fat has been bred out of turkey and chicken until you've had duck |
| 06:36.24 | Corydon76-dig | Greaseballs |
| 06:38.41 | ajmcello | when you transfer an inbound call to an outside number and the outside number picks up and you hang up, does the asterisk server still handle that connection or does it become a direct connection between the inbound call and the outside number? |
| 06:38.48 | johnakabean | try this on for size jaytee |
| 06:38.49 | johnakabean | find . -name "*.conf" -exec grep -l "> 5" {} \; |
| 06:39.18 | johnakabean | change > 5 to whatever you would like to search for....it outputs the filenames where your string is found |
| 06:39.20 | jaytee | aw c'mon on! I'm half in the bag man! don't hand me that crap! |
| 06:39.36 | Corydon76-dig | johnakabean: you want the "-H" option to grep. Trust me. |
| 06:39.46 | johnakabean | it works to do what i want |
| 06:39.52 | johnakabean | cory |
| 06:40.04 | Corydon76-dig | You don't want to know the name of the file? |
| 06:40.05 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: First what happens when you "hang up" depends on the phone doing the transferring. Next, all 3 channels are going through *. When a transfer is completed the channels are bridged |
| 06:40.19 | johnakabean | it ouput the name of the file, cory |
| 06:40.23 | johnakabean | that's ALL it output |
| 06:40.29 | Corydon76-dig | Ah |
| 06:40.31 | johnakabean | i didn't want to know the actual output |
| 06:40.43 | johnakabean | i just wanted to know what files it was found in |
| 06:41.10 | johnakabean | exten => s,n(loop),GotoIf($[ ${RESCOUNT} > 5]?end) |
| 06:41.13 | johnakabean | what's wrong with that? |
| 06:41.14 | ajmcello | tk: when they are bridged, is it the asterisk server that handles the bridge? |
| 06:41.16 | johnakabean | it works |
| 06:41.22 | johnakabean | but asterisk is complaining about it |
| 06:41.52 | Corydon76-dig | johnakabean: Ask what happens when the variable is blank |
| 06:41.56 | johnakabean | yeah, mcello, unless canreinvite is equal to yes on both trunks that the calls are bridged through |
| 06:42.00 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: Just like every other call |
| 06:42.12 | ajmcello | oh...reinvite |
| 06:42.12 | Corydon76-dig | exten => s,n(loop),GotoIf($[ 0${RESCOUNT} > 5]?end) |
| 06:42.12 | ajmcello | hmm |
| 06:42.13 | johnakabean | hangs |
| 06:42.15 | johnakabean | so what? |
| 06:42.20 | johnakabean | i do not search for NOTHING |
| 06:42.31 | johnakabean | i am not using this in a script |
| 06:42.35 | johnakabean | i am using this manually |
| 06:42.39 | Corydon76-dig | Add the 0 and Asterisk won't complain |
| 06:42.58 | ajmcello | what i wanted to do was have an inbound number people call that transfers to several different numbers, but i didnt want to eat up extra channels on my PRI...maybe reinvite will work for me |
| 06:43.11 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: No, it will not |
| 06:43.14 | ajmcello | but would it have to be a SIP? |
| 06:43.18 | johnakabean | ok cello, you must set canreinvite=yes on all your trunks |
| 06:43.22 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: reinvites are a VOIP function. |
| 06:43.28 | ajmcello | ok |
| 06:43.28 | johnakabean | yes the exchanges have to match |
| 06:43.29 | ajmcello | thats what i figured |
| 06:43.32 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: What you would need is a 2BCT |
| 06:43.47 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: 2 B-channel Transfer |
| 06:44.00 | johnakabean | i dont know about fender's proposal, maybe that way they don't have to match |
| 06:44.15 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: For this you'd need to transfer the call toa dialplan extension that would call "Transfer" and be on a link that supports it |
| 06:44.16 | johnakabean | but using just plain asterisk with canreinvite, the channels must match |
| 06:44.54 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: "canreinvite" is a sip.conf exclusive parm name |
| 06:45.22 | *** join/#asterisk ipguy (n=ipguy@124-170-227-61.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:45.24 | [TK]D-Fender | (ok, maybe users.conf inherited a piece) |
| 06:45.35 | johnakabean | 2bct allows iax2 to sip transfer? |
| 06:45.48 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: No, 2 *B-CHANNEL* <- think on this |
| 06:46.04 | johnakabean | i didnt think so |
| 06:46.07 | ajmcello | is it possible to have my PRI provider reprovision the line for 2BCT? |
| 06:46.38 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: IRC 2BCT is supported on DMS100 & 5ESS in * currently. |
| 06:46.46 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: Not sure if any others were added |
| 06:46.53 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: And you'd have to ask your provider |
| 06:46.57 | johnakabean | 2BCT/TBCT) Trobule on DMS100 PRI |
| 06:47.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: Oh, and don't think that you won;t get billed.. the most this does is free the channels to you |
| 06:47.29 | ajmcello | what if they are local calls? |
| 06:47.37 | johnakabean | it is billed based on your plan |
| 06:47.46 | [TK]D-Fender | ajmcello: Billed as appropriate based ont he nature of each le |
| 06:47.46 | ajmcello | lol |
| 06:47.48 | ajmcello | yeah.. |
| 06:47.48 | [TK]D-Fender | leg* |
| 06:48.08 | johnakabean | ok fender, how about sip |
| 06:48.27 | johnakabean | freeeing channels while having asterisk able to pick the call back up to originate a new one for the other party? |
| 06:48.46 | johnakabean | using the ** |
| 06:48.59 | [TK]D-Fender | ? |
| 06:49.00 | *** join/#asterisk ipguy (n=ipguy@124-170-227-61.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:49.10 | johnakabean | using a disa |
| 06:49.29 | *** part/#asterisk ipguy (n=ipguy@124-170-227-61.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:49.31 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: Please just completely rewrite that... its all jumbled |
| 06:49.42 | johnakabean | my main provider is unlimited free but 4 channels.......i have other pay per minute providers for backup that are unlimited channels |
| 06:49.56 | johnakabean | i charge 10 bucks for unlimited disa access |
| 06:50.10 | johnakabean | to world.....how do i free up the channels on my main sip provider |
| 06:50.36 | johnakabean | but allow them, when finished with one call, to originate another without hanging up AND freeing the channels when they are in call with their other party |
| 06:51.30 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: Typically no provider will take channels off you hands like that |
| 06:51.42 | johnakabean | ok how about transferring off the system |
| 06:51.55 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: As for doing a 2nd call, plenty of ways to stop the one you're in and continue dilaplan processing |
| 06:51.57 | johnakabean | i know the ** hangup won't work like that |
| 06:51.59 | johnakabean | but anyway |
| 06:52.05 | Qwell | man, security flaws in major provider websites are awesome.. let me tell you |
| 06:52.21 | johnakabean | share the wealth, qwell |
| 06:52.31 | johnakabean | i need more outbound FREE providers |
| 06:52.37 | ajmcello | looks like my signalling is pri_cpe, so that isnt going to work wtih 2BCT is it |
| 06:52.42 | Qwell | nah, this is an ISP. nothing like that |
| 06:52.52 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: Transferring off the system?generally "not happening". Transfer() requires auth and they won't count your channels as freed up |
| 06:52.55 | johnakabean | man, say something like that in #isp then |
| 06:53.19 | johnakabean | ahh but my provider does when transfer is used |
| 06:53.49 | johnakabean | i have tested with a regular sip devic |
| 06:53.58 | [TK]D-Fender | johnakabean: On a single channel perhaps, but as a hand-off between 2 others? Highly unlikely |
| 06:54.07 | johnakabean | transferred 10 calls and ran out of phones to test with |
| 06:54.14 | johnakabean | outside phones |
| 06:54.23 | johnakabean | i would call into my system |
| 06:54.47 | jaytee | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:54.51 | johnakabean | and transfer, it would show the channels is free |
| 06:55.04 | johnakabean | through their web applet they provide they show in progress calls |
| 06:55.12 | johnakabean | they didn't show up but i was on the phone with the 10 |
| 06:55.23 | johnakabean | and it preserved the caller id |
| 06:55.28 | johnakabean | from the inbound call |
| 06:56.09 | johnakabean | i can't set my outbound caller id with the unlimited, 4 channel provider but it preserves it when transferring |
| 06:57.02 | johnakabean | jaytee, its broadvoice as the one i referring to |
| 06:57.03 | [TK]D-Fender | ok, well its late... checkout time] |
| 06:57.07 | [TK]D-Fender | later all... |
| 06:57.39 | jaytee | I remember when there wasn't any callerid. If you picked up the phone it was a total gamble whether it was your wife, friend, bill collector or someone else you didn't want to talk to. |
| 06:58.00 | johnakabean | i remember captain crunch but anyway |
| 06:58.07 | johnakabean | :) |
| 06:58.20 | orkid | if u didn't pay your bills, you should've |
| 06:58.29 | orkid | or you should've taken company to court |
| 06:58.31 | orkid | :P |
| 06:58.37 | jaytee | I remember Cap'n Crunch and the whistle which if you were an avid 2600 reader you could use to hack the phone system |
| 06:58.48 | johnakabean | jaytee, that was my point |
| 06:58.49 | *** join/#asterisk imcdona (i=imcdona@c-24-17-45-79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:58.49 | Qwell | jaytee: Cap'n who? |
| 06:58.59 | johnakabean | qwell isn't old enough |
| 06:59.04 | Qwell | OH! Cap'n Paedo :p |
| 06:59.19 | Qwell | jaytee: He's a creepy dude. AVOID. |
| 06:59.33 | coppice | most of those old 2600Hz receivers really sucked. they responded to quite a wide frequency range |
| 06:59.35 | Qwell | well, you're old - you'll probably be fine ;) |
| 06:59.49 | johnakabean | the captain crunch whislte used the same tone that AT&T used to exchange between their local and long distance switches; it would tell the phone that you have already paid for the call and to keep going |
| 06:59.53 | johnakabean | whistle |
| 07:00.06 | jaytee | Qwell, back in the 70's Cap'n Crunch was a cereal (still is) and they included a whistle that would create the same tones that AT&T used for long distance indication. so you could hack the system and get free long distance. |
| 07:00.10 | Qwell | yes I know :p |
| 07:00.23 | johnakabean | jaytee, lay off the liquor |
| 07:00.25 | johnakabean | and read |
| 07:00.36 | johnakabean | i already explained and he already said he knew |
| 07:00.38 | jaytee | I met Qwell in November, he's not as tall as I imagined :-) |
| 07:00.42 | coppice | the way those whistles were made I doubt their frequencies were very consistent, but apparently most of them worked |
| 07:01.01 | Qwell | coppice: I doubt the trunks were very precise, heh |
| 07:01.03 | johnakabean | they were massed produced; so, the machines made them exactly the same most of the time |
| 07:01.18 | johnakabean | the molds |
| 07:01.22 | Qwell | whats a couple hundred Hz between friends? |
| 07:01.32 | icebrew54 | lol |
| 07:01.35 | johnakabean | a kilofriend |
| 07:01.38 | jaytee | hehe |
| 07:01.57 | jaytee | damn, I'm actually shitfaced! |
| 07:02.00 | johnakabean | kilafriend |
| 07:02.00 | Qwell | jaytee: anyways, yeah.. if you ever end up meeting Crunch, run away. |
| 07:02.03 | coppice | Qwell: in the late 80s when I implemented perhaps the first fully DSP processor for 2600Hz and 2280Hz (the EU equivalent) I would none of the existing analogue kit worked anything like to spec |
| 07:02.11 | *** join/#asterisk MaliutaLap (n=biteme@203.171.192.16) |
| 07:03.03 | *** join/#asterisk cryptnix (n=andrew@67.209.241.4) |
| 07:03.36 | Qwell | coppice: the last part of that didn't parse too well |
| 07:03.42 | jaytee | Qwell, I've never met Crunch in person. And that keebler guy that keeps coming in this channel is pissing me off because he doesn't give out free cookies. :-) |
| 07:03.50 | Qwell | "I would bet none of"? |
| 07:03.54 | johnakabean | how do you get a disa to transfer qwell/ |
| 07:03.57 | coppice | s/would/found |
| 07:03.58 | johnakabean | instead of dialing |
| 07:03.59 | Nugget | yeah, well I head that Qwell can whistle 300 baud. |
| 07:04.01 | Qwell | ahh |
| 07:04.02 | Nugget | er, heard. |
| 07:04.04 | *** join/#asterisk bbryant (n=brett@c-68-59-20-153.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 07:04.10 | Qwell | Nugget: mmhmm |
| 07:04.15 | jaytee | coppice, so basically you were around when they invented dirt, like I was? |
| 07:04.34 | johnakabean | how do you get a disa to transfer instead of dialing |
| 07:05.04 | Qwell | coppice: yeah, that's hardly surprising.. even today it wouldn't surprise me |
| 07:05.06 | jaytee | wtf? Nugget actually spoke up and said something other than "Telnet is eeeeevil"? |
| 07:05.21 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: did he try to kiss you, or just give you a massage? |
| 07:05.29 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: none of the above |
| 07:05.30 | icebrew54 | I remember the days before telnet |
| 07:05.32 | coppice | QWell: I had to test against various existing kit, and its performance was all over the place. its amazing they didn't have far more trouble with people's voices imitating tone and altering calls mid way |
| 07:05.36 | Qwell | guess I'm not cute enough for Crunch. |
| 07:05.48 | johnakabean | ok enough reminescing |
| 07:05.51 | johnakabean | how do you get a disa to transfer instead of dialing |
| 07:06.00 | jaytee | you don't |
| 07:06.00 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: but I did have the unfortunate experience of sitting next to him at dinner... |
| 07:06.10 | Qwell | I got the hell out of there so freaking quick |
| 07:06.21 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: or he likes 'em to at least appear of legal age |
| 07:06.37 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: I don't know about that |
| 07:07.09 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: Looking young is a blessing... and a curse... |
| 07:07.34 | Qwell | shudders |
| 07:07.44 | jaytee | and looking old is just a curse |
| 07:07.56 | Corydon76-dig | jaytee: do you look old? |
| 07:08.10 | Qwell | jaytee: to be fair, he IS old. |
| 07:08.17 | Qwell | erm, Corydon76-dig |
| 07:08.21 | coppice | his real name is Benjamin Button |
| 07:08.22 | Corydon76-dig | jaytee: hand me my cane, willya? |
| 07:08.24 | *** join/#asterisk mintos (n=mvaliyav@nat/redhat-in/x-22dd8fe6208b60fa) |
| 07:09.18 | Corydon76-dig | I'm sure I'm nowhere near as old as either coppice or "Dude" |
| 07:09.53 | coppice | I'm not old. Now you kids just GET OFF MY LAWN |
| 07:10.01 | jaytee | I think I'm gonna skip my simvastatin pill tonight since I've drank way too much vodka. |
| 07:10.24 | Corydon76-dig | I could have lived another year without meeting Dude, though |
| 07:10.39 | Qwell | Dude isn't that old, is he? |
| 07:11.03 | Corydon76-dig | I'd say mid 40s |
| 07:11.13 | Qwell | hmm |
| 07:11.25 | Corydon76-dig | or maybe his body is just wearing out |
| 07:11.28 | jaytee | when I was a kid, cigarettes were 28 cents a pack, Eisenhower was President and we got 5 channels on the TV and only The Wonderful World of Disney broadcast in color, everything else was B/W. How's that? |
| 07:12.00 | cryptnix | days of simplicity. |
| 07:12.03 | Corydon76-dig | jaytee: so you're nearly at retirement age, just like my father |
| 07:12.08 | jaytee | and no remote |
| 07:12.13 | Qwell | kicks Comcast. Upgrade my friggen modem firmware already |
| 07:12.28 | jaytee | retirement? that's a fuckin fantasy! |
| 07:12.43 | cryptnix | hmm some people still have the luxury |
| 07:13.42 | Corydon76-dig | jaytee: My father has retired for the 3rd time, and he's already got another job |
| 07:14.07 | jaytee | we should kill all the really rich people. all this shit is their fault :-) |
| 07:15.37 | coppice | retirement being a fantasy may become less of a problem than being about to find any work |
| 07:15.49 | jaytee | coppice, very true |
| 07:16.24 | jaytee | although someone in your line of work and skillset should be able to stay gainfully employed |
| 07:16.34 | *** join/#asterisk unpaidbill (n=bill@alteredbeastiality.org) |
| 07:16.37 | jaytee | failing that there's always credit card hacking :-) |
| 07:20.16 | jaytee | 20 orders of various bestsellers on purloined card # purchased on Amazon.com shipped to vacant apartment two doors down, sell books to Half Price Books chain at 50 cent on the dollar. Cha-ching!!! :-) |
| 07:20.40 | Corydon76-dig | jaytee: the word of God, in bulk |
| 07:20.48 | jaytee | hehehe |
| 07:21.04 | Corydon76-dig | jaytee: You know where that's from, right? |
| 07:21.37 | Corydon76-dig | John Goodman's character, in O Brother, Where Art Thou |
| 07:21.37 | jaytee | not ringing a bell but then I'm kinda debilitated at the moment. |
| 07:21.43 | jaytee | aha! |
| 07:21.56 | jaytee | "I'm a Dapper Dan man!" |
| 07:22.03 | johnakabean | why am i getting this |
| 07:22.04 | johnakabean | Packet2Packet bridging SIP/ |
| 07:22.24 | jaytee | johnakabean, cuz you're very lucky |
| 07:22.28 | johnakabean | when using a disa, i can't use ** to disconnect the call |
| 07:22.44 | johnakabean | because its off the freakin system |
| 07:23.03 | johnakabean | i tried setting canreinvite to no and yess |
| 07:23.18 | jaytee | I think I'm going to go try and have erotic dreams of Salma Hayek. Nite everyone |
| 07:23.23 | *** join/#asterisk t0rrieri (n=torrieri@nelug/crew/torrieri) |
| 07:24.26 | Qwell | wtf, my Comcast local office has a drive-thru |
| 07:25.08 | coppice | skills are no guarantee of gainful employment. however, if things get really bad I'll probably teach English :-\ |
| 07:25.37 | johnakabean | why am i getting this |
| 07:25.40 | johnakabean | Packet2Packet bridging SIP/ |
| 07:25.48 | johnakabean | i have never seen it do that before |
| 07:25.55 | johnakabean | and it messes up my features |
| 07:26.44 | johnakabean | after it packet2packet bridges, asterisk disconnects the call |
| 07:27.01 | johnakabean | so i am not able to press ## to transfer or any features of asterisk |
| 07:29.48 | *** join/#asterisk gerwinin (n=gerwinin@59.40.223.163) |
| 07:30.17 | gerwinin | Is it possible to build a voip client with exosip2 which works with asterisk ? |
| 07:32.13 | johnakabean | yeah, ger, they both use sip |
| 07:32.45 | gerwinin | johnakabean: I cannot get the registration in the good way |
| 07:33.02 | gerwinin | johnakabean: asterisks keeps on giving me 401 or 407 |
| 07:33.05 | johnakabean | anyone know how to disable packet2packet bridging? |
| 07:33.29 | johnakabean | sip2 is an upgrade of asterisk sip, you have to limit the features on the exosip2 |
| 07:33.58 | johnakabean | like the authenticating has to be insecure and i'm not referring to insecure=very |
| 07:34.07 | johnakabean | it can't be encrypted |
| 07:35.08 | gerwinin | johnakabean : let me check if I can set that option |
| 07:37.00 | johnakabean | ahh exosip2 is the same as srtp for asterisk |
| 07:37.02 | johnakabean | i get it |
| 07:37.07 | johnakabean | different maker |
| 07:37.15 | johnakabean | lookup srtp |
| 07:37.25 | johnakabean | its an addon for asterisk |
| 07:37.42 | gerwinin | johnakabean: srtp is like a sip library ? |
| 07:38.47 | johnakabean | srtp is encrypted sip |
| 07:38.54 | johnakabean | its like what the pentagon would want to use |
| 07:40.24 | *** join/#asterisk mike-ekim (n=sipit@204.13.7.44) |
| 07:40.34 | mike-ekim | how can I enable color in the CLI? |
| 07:43.26 | johnakabean | gerwin http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=4161&nbn=8#26996 |
| 07:43.28 | johnakabean | gerwin http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=4161&nbn=8#26996 |
| 07:43.54 | johnakabean | cli where? using asterisk -r? |
| 07:43.58 | johnakabean | it should already be there |
| 07:46.38 | mike-ekim | nope, all plain |
| 07:48.20 | bakermd | Boo Ya Ka Sha!! |
| 07:48.38 | bakermd | (Sorry - long night of coding finally paid off) |
| 07:50.39 | bakermd | And now for the alcohol and weed.... |
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| 07:53.04 | inam | how can i dail a no from asterisk command prompt |
| 07:53.58 | inam | in my asterisk command prompt no consol command is found |
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| 08:39.11 | tzafrir_laptop | inam, "dial" only works if you have a channel driver for a local sound card |
| 08:39.20 | tzafrir_laptop | chan_alsa or chan_oss |
| 08:39.53 | tzafrir_laptop | you can also use "originate" to create a call between two phones |
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| 08:47.02 | mcfloppy | hello |
| 08:49.10 | mcfloppy | i want to dial with my debian server. so i need tapi to control the ISDN Phone. do i need asterisk for tapi under linux? or can i do this with a driver only |
| 08:49.36 | mcfloppy | i have a hfc-s usb card |
| 09:09.51 | Greek-Boy | what is a current solution to send sms's from asterisk to a smpp sms server? |
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| 11:00.46 | [Jasper] | hello people. I'm having some difficulties with context not being used |
| 11:01.36 | [Jasper] | how does a register know where it belongs too? |
| 11:09.32 | orTix | [Jasper] |
| 11:09.34 | orTix | lees ~book |
| 11:09.36 | orTix | ~book |
| 11:09.37 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, book is probably Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF at http://www.asteriskdocs.org --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com or see ~buybook |
| 11:09.40 | orTix | daar heb ik het ook uit... |
| 11:12.35 | [Jasper] | nou, dat book is toch vrij onduidelijk |
| 11:14.34 | [Jasper] | er staat nergens uitgelegd waarom [default] standaard word aangeroepen bijvoorbedl |
| 11:19.47 | orTix | ja |
| 11:19.51 | orTix | dan moet je door lezen en zoeken |
| 11:20.01 | orTix | je moet in sip.conf aangeven welke context die moet te komen staan |
| 11:20.05 | orTix | als je hem bij default laat |
| 11:20.15 | orTix | en je zet onder [default] in extensions.conf |
| 11:20.19 | orTix | dan pak die hem daar |
| 11:20.41 | orTix | je moet ff begrijpe hoe het met elkaar gelinkt word.. en dat staat in 't boek |
| 11:20.46 | orTix | sorry for the dutch ;) |
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| 11:39.23 | [Jasper] | orTix dat snap ik ook wel, ik heb in mijn sip.conf een context ingeteld, en toch gaat ie nog naar default |
| 11:39.25 | [Jasper] | dat snap ik niet |
| 11:40.03 | [Jasper] | en dat was mijn vraag ook niet..ik vroeg hoe een register wist bij welke context in dat bestand hij hoort |
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| 12:52.44 | riddlebox | if you have two machines, 1 is your main machine and the other is a secondary, what is the best way to make sure that everything is the exact same on them at all times? |
| 12:57.39 | Mark17 | copy the configuration files |
| 12:58.04 | Mark17 | but only run 1 at a time (sometimes it can be an issue with the register option) |
| 12:58.32 | riddlebox | Mark17, yeah heartbeat will start services when one takes over |
| 12:59.07 | riddlebox | Mark17, the biggest thing is should I use rsync, or scp? |
| 12:59.56 | riddlebox | I was thinking of setting a cron job, to do this like once a day to make sure that the two are the same |
| 13:02.06 | Mark17 | i would use scp for just 1 config directory |
| 13:02.06 | Gido-E | riddlebox drdb |
| 13:03.27 | riddlebox | I will look into it, right now I have heartbeat running on two servers, sharing an IP from heartbeat, if one goes down the other will become active |
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| 14:00.07 | riddlebox | hey stevetotaro |
| 14:03.16 | orTix | -=:12:40:07:=- <[Jasper]> en dat was mijn vraag ook niet..ik vroeg hoe een register wist bij welke context in dat bestand hij hoort |
| 14:03.25 | orTix | als je dat andere snap, dan weet jij het antwoord al |
| 14:03.34 | orTix | dat gaat via context |
| 14:03.45 | orTix | als je bij context blaat zegt |
| 14:03.51 | orTix | dan moet je blaat includen bij extensions |
| 14:03.52 | orTix | ;x |
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| 15:11.28 | NovceGuru | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.11 | joako | NovceGuru: LOL. My mother tried to order Comcast Digital Voice but they called her and told her 1) they ran out of modems 2) she needed to call and place a new order because of that. She just gave up |
| 15:16.58 | NovceGuru | nice |
| 15:17.23 | NovceGuru | maybe it was for the best :) |
| 15:18.16 | joako | Speaking of which, can someone suggest a DID provider with CNAM and E911? |
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| 15:20.45 | NovceGuru | I think vitelity has both |
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| 15:22.03 | ThoMe | hello |
| 15:22.12 | ThoMe | is it posible to call a sip-group? |
| 15:22.25 | ThoMe | not sip/12&sip/13&sip/14 |
| 15:22.28 | ThoMe | hm? |
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| 15:23.54 | stevetotaro | ~obama |
| 15:23.54 | jbot | obama is, like, "the better choice at this point." |
| 15:24.29 | ThoMe | is it posible call multipöle user |
| 15:24.41 | ThoMe | without sip/12&sip/13&sip/14 ? |
| 15:25.16 | stevetotaro | using queues it is |
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| 15:25.44 | ThoMe | stevetotaro: hm ok |
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| 15:54.00 | ThoMe | emm |
| 15:54.09 | ThoMe | exten => _0.,n,Set(get-persoenliche-absender-rufnummer=${DB(absender-rufnummern/${CALLERID(num)})}) |
| 15:54.15 | ThoMe | its old or? |
| 15:54.38 | ThoMe | or is it ok for 1.4 ? |
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| 16:00.48 | jsmith | ThoMe: That's fine for 1.4 |
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| 16:35.14 | ThoMe | jsmith: ah ok. thank you :-) |
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| 17:04.40 | jaytee | I can't believe I don't have a hangover! |
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| 17:10.33 | avb | guys, any news to manage SIP hangup causes? |
| 17:11.04 | avb | Hangup(34); but still it returns different error code |
| 17:14.12 | pstew39 | can anyone help with using cisco 79xx sip phones with asterisk? |
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| 17:15.14 | jsmith | pstew39: Tell us what your problem is, or ask a question, and someone will help you if they know the answer. |
| 17:15.21 | jsmith | jaytee: I'm surprised you don't too :-p |
| 17:16.37 | avb | jsmith: probably there is an answer to mine question? :) |
| 17:16.38 | pstew39 | I want to get idle-url working on a cisco 7940 Sip (firm 8.8), can it be done? |
| 17:20.18 | jaytee | jsmith, I rarely ever drink. last nite I drank about half a pint of Absolut I'd had in the freezer for about 7 months. I never used to drink vodka straight but now I'm likin it! |
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| 17:21.15 | jsmith | avb: Not that I know of... it's been discussed at length in the mailing lists, but I haven't seen any code changes related to it |
| 17:22.25 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: vodka has a much lower congener count than most other liquors, thats why... |
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| 17:24.19 | jaytee | you mean it doesn't contain as many impurities such as fusile oils, etc? |
| 17:27.02 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Toxic bits formed during fermentation |
| 17:27.15 | jaytee | yeah, like fusile oils |
| 17:27.46 | jaytee | I only drink Stolnichnaya or Absolut, not that Buck O' Gallon crap :-) |
| 17:28.20 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Meh : Troika <- |
| 17:28.33 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Serious drinkers go for Troika... |
| 17:28.38 | jaytee | Troika? never tried it |
| 17:28.42 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Shmirnoff is way down the list |
| 17:29.29 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Russia's 3 greatest exports : blondes, tragic poets, and vodka. |
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| 17:30.14 | jaytee | Smirnoff is just a tiny bit better than squeezing Sterno or drinking kerosene |
| 17:30.44 | jaytee | I'll have to try Troika. Some have recommended Grey Goose but I think that's just market hype and yuppiedom speak. |
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| 17:37.50 | [TK]D-Fender | LOL, Quicktime is offering me a choice for "Leapard" or "Tiger" :p |
| 17:45.44 | jaytee | bah |
| 17:46.11 | jaytee | at least they don't cram iTunes down your throat like they were doing when you went to install Quicktime player. |
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| 17:50.08 | proute | Hello, I just installed asterisk 1.4.23.1 |
| 17:50.51 | proute | When i hangup a call, it don't work. in sip debug I have "481 No session found" |
| 17:51.08 | proute | I have don't change my config files... |
| 17:51.15 | proute | Why I have this error? |
| 17:51.56 | proute | moreover if I hangup my call before that called answers, the phone (called) ring.... |
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| 17:56.00 | Mark17 | jaytee: they still do it when you update quicktime player and arent looking for it |
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| 18:04.39 | lilkid | for some reason i can only connect to my * server from the local network (phones register fine locally) - sip, when i try to connect from another internet connection i just get connection timeouts.. can anyone shed any light? |
| 18:05.10 | NovceGuru | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+sip+nat |
| 18:05.24 | dlewis | [TK]D-Fender: which voip provider would you suggest with unlimited minutes? |
| 18:05.29 | NovceGuru | + http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
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| 18:28.50 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipnat |
| 18:28.51 | jbot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 18:28.54 | [TK]D-Fender | NovceGuru: none |
| 18:30.41 | NovceGuru | huh |
| 18:31.53 | icebrew54 | can anyone suggest troubleshooting technique on a monitor "sound clicking" problem? |
| 18:32.10 | icebrew54 | my in and out wav's have clicking in the sound :( |
| 18:32.48 | icebrew54 | asterisk 1.4.18.1 |
| 18:33.43 | jaytee | is silence suppression on the phones turned off? |
| 18:34.14 | icebrew54 | hrm, using sipura....let me look |
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| 18:34.48 | icebrew54 | silence supp enabled: no |
| 18:34.51 | icebrew54 | ^^ that correct? |
| 18:35.41 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrDoes it only happen with wav's? What were they made with? |
| 18:36.02 | icebrew54 | well the in and out wav's are the file dumped from asterisk.... |
| 18:36.19 | icebrew54 | I'm running a wav2ogg script....however, I'm checking the files before conversion and they are showing this as a problem |
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| 18:36.42 | icebrew54 | i.e. the source wav's dumped by asterisk are "clicking" at certain times |
| 18:37.42 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: please clarify exacty what created them. |
| 18:38.38 | rob0 | hmmm calls are not being logged, I have a simple cdr.conf with a [csv] section ... |
| 18:38.50 | icebrew54 | [TK]D-Fender: using the Monitor app |
| 18:39.07 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: What are you recording from? |
| 18:39.08 | icebrew54 | [TK]D-Fender: I have a 4 port digium zaptel card, 410p |
| 18:39.37 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: Is the clicking constant? Is it continuous? |
| 18:40.22 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: Is the clicking sound identical all the time or is it a more random "crackle"? |
| 18:40.45 | rob0 | snap crackle pop |
| 18:40.47 | icebrew54 | [TK]D-Fender: no crackle, it's more of a "interruption" of audio....would you like to me to forward sample via email? |
| 18:40.58 | icebrew54 | and it is consistent |
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| 18:42.10 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: Does it repeat in other formats? Which have you tried? |
| 18:42.25 | [TK]D-Fender | rob0: Great album... |
| 18:42.38 | [TK]D-Fender | rob0: Probably my greatest musical inspiration... |
| 18:42.40 | icebrew54 | [TK]D-Fender: I didn't try in other formats....I've only tried wav |
| 18:42.44 | icebrew54 | what other formats are possible? |
| 18:43.01 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: Go try now. Every format * supports. Gsm, ulaw, etc |
| 18:43.23 | icebrew54 | [TK]D-Fender: recently a codec was changed to "SILN" I believe to enable faxing on this box |
| 18:43.33 | icebrew54 | if that has any relevance... |
| 18:43.57 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: Not relevant |
| 18:44.05 | icebrew54 | ok, I'll try capturing in different formats....what is a good utility to convert gsm, ulaw etc. to wav? |
| 18:44.09 | icebrew54 | using sox now |
| 18:44.46 | crashintotheceil | ok so if i follow every NAT guide, and yet still I can't connect to my server from outside the NAT, what do i do!? is there some sort of software out there to verbosely debug SIP connections? |
| 18:45.15 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: Do not convert. Listen to EACH in raw form |
| 18:45.43 | [TK]D-Fender | crashintotheceil: SHOW US what you've done. PASTEBIN is your friend |
| 18:45.45 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 18:45.45 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste, or , http://bin.cakephp.org/ |
| 18:45.47 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^ |
| 18:46.06 | [TK]D-Fender | crashintotheceil: and "sip set debug" should enabled you to see the full SIP conversations as they happen |
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| 18:51.10 | crashintotheceil | ok when clients try to register i get absolutely nothing on sip debug.. |
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| 18:51.29 | crashintotheceil | http://crash123.pastebin.com/d3dd2761d is sip.conf |
| 18:52.16 | crashintotheceil | this makes me think it's a problem with router/port forwarding? it's like..asterisk just cant hear any connections from WAN |
| 18:53.39 | [TK]D-Fender | crashintotheceil: What have you forwarded to you * server? |
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| 18:53.54 | ZaVoid | morning |
| 18:54.00 | [TK]D-Fender | ZaVoid: Afternoon |
| 18:54.06 | ZaVoid | sup fender |
| 18:54.19 | [TK]D-Fender | ZaVoid: Same old... |
| 18:54.25 | ZaVoid | heh i hear ya |
| 18:54.25 | [TK]D-Fender | ZaVoid: Slow weekend... |
| 18:54.31 | ZaVoid | well i got some fun for ya ;) |
| 18:55.53 | ZaVoid | i'm running into a wierd situation where invites are coming into my asterisk... its send proxy auth back... the UA ack's..... seems to be ok.... then 100 seconds later the timer expiry timer on the UA kicks in.. goes to cancel it with asterisk and asterisk responds back the call doesn't exisit |
| 18:56.03 | ZaVoid | very small amount of calls this is happening to |
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| 18:57.51 | crashintotheceil | [TK]D-Fender: I have an account with voiptalk for minutes/did. I'm just trying to register clients from outside the NAT- (WAN) on my *. server. Clients within LAN can register fine with no issue. |
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| 18:59.37 | [TK]D-Fender | crashintotheceil: And you have completely NOT answered my question |
| 19:01.34 | crashintotheceil | [TK]D-Fender: sorry, please clarify..? |
| 19:02.07 | rob0 | Logging cdr-csv format, according to the sample cdr.conf, only requires a "[csv]" section therein. Permissions on /var/log/asterisk are right, asterisk:asterisk 755, as is /var/log/asterisk/cdr-csv. The messages and queue_log are being written. I did "module reload cdr" after edits of cdr.conf ... but no call logging. |
| 19:02.11 | [TK]D-Fender | crashintotheceil: I asked you what you had forwarded to your * server. |
| 19:03.27 | crashintotheceil | oh do you mean ports? |
| 19:03.31 | crashintotheceil | or..? |
| 19:03.46 | [TK]D-Fender | YES |
| 19:04.37 | crashintotheceil | Okay! Just didn't connect in my brain! I've basically set the * server as DMZ |
| 19:05.05 | dan__t | Put some ice cream on it. |
| 19:05.13 | crashintotheceil | so there should be no issue with forwarding |
| 19:05.55 | rob0 | Ice cream for logs? |
| 19:06.41 | [TK]D-Fender | crashintotheceil: Is that your entire sip.conf masking ONLY passwords? |
| 19:08.48 | crashintotheceil | yes, and before you panic, it's just for testing.. |
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| 19:10.07 | [TK]D-Fender | crashintotheceil: Ok, everything else looks fine. Check your firewall ont he server itself and verify the IP you DMZ'd |
| 19:10.28 | [TK]D-Fender | crashintotheceil: And that your externip hasn't chaNGED |
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| 19:11.59 | crashintotheceil | i can telnet into 5038 and it says like..call manager |
| 19:12.00 | Nugget | telnet is eeeeeeevil! |
| 19:12.22 | crashintotheceil | so dmz ip is fine |
| 19:12.28 | rob0 | tenlet si live |
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| 19:12.33 | [TK]D-Fender | crashintotheceil: Ok so far... last on the suspect list is that an ISP may be blcoking SIP traffic |
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| 19:16.11 | bakermd | I want to set up a 3-digit extension, and have it listen for 5 digits - then attempt to place a call to a local 5-digit extension. Any thoughts on this? |
| 19:16.13 | crashintotheceil | [TX]D-Fender: good point.. i'll contact them. thanks |
| 19:16.55 | [TK]D-Fender | bakermd: "core show application read" |
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| 19:17.23 | [TK]D-Fender | bakermd: and your definition of "place a call to a local 5-digit extension" is a little vague |
| 19:17.45 | bakermd | [TK]D-Fender:I actually have the read part - its the other side that is giving me issue |
| 19:18.15 | [TK]D-Fender | bakermd: fix the "vague" part then |
| 19:18.23 | bakermd | I have an extension with entries such as exten => 22557,2,Playback(custom/PleaseRecordMessage) |
| 19:18.41 | bakermd | Right now my IVR setup is configured to read 3 digits |
| 19:18.57 | bakermd | So - I need a 3 digit extension that then lets me enter the 5 digit ones. |
| 19:19.02 | [TK]D-Fender | bakermd: doesn't help in the slightest... |
| 19:19.09 | bakermd | I can access the 5digit ones from any IP phone |
| 19:19.20 | bakermd | I am making apps that are accessible by 5 digit codes |
| 19:19.38 | [TK]D-Fender | bakermd: exten => 123,1,NoOp(I'm a 3-digit extension, can you be LESS VAGUE now?) |
| 19:19.39 | bakermd | They can all be reached from connected IP phones, but I need access from outside |
| 19:20.24 | bakermd | The default inbound context plays a greeting and reads 3 digits - therefore it is impossible to access any exten that is greater than 3 digits when coming in from this context |
| 19:20.49 | [TK]D-Fender | bakermd: PARDON? What magical rule says this? |
| 19:21.22 | bakermd | read... with maxdigits |
| 19:22.14 | bakermd | So read grabs the digits, max 3 |
| 19:22.21 | [TK]D-Fender | bakermd: Why are you calling the use of "read" with maxdigits an "IVR? |
| 19:22.33 | bakermd | b/c all extensions are 3 digits in the IVR |
| 19:22.46 | [TK]D-Fender | bakermd: pastebin this mess |
| 19:23.00 | bakermd | I appreciate your assistance! |
| 19:23.20 | bakermd | Unfortunately I have to run - but I will be back - didn't know if there was something painfully simple I was missing |
| 19:23.53 | [TK]D-Fender | bakermd_afk: Yes... the ability to show enough so we can figure the rules of what you're talking about. |
| 19:24.41 | [TK]D-Fender | TOTAL WASTE OF TIME |
| 19:24.55 | [TK]D-Fender | ^%#$ing GUI users |
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| 19:27.35 | dan__t | hahaha |
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| 19:34.53 | rob0 | apparently a "module reload cdr" isn't enough to enable logging, I had to restart. |
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| 20:41.17 | oneeyedelf1 | anyone have recommendations on where and what ata to buy on the cheap? |
| 20:43.02 | icebrew54 | oneeyedelf1: I got some sipuras on ebay for like 30$-something shipped |
| 20:43.12 | [TK]D-Fender | oneeyedelf1: Any Linksys model would do |
| 20:43.27 | icebrew54 | linksys pap2 |
| 20:43.38 | icebrew54 | buggers showed up....mac addresses are not the same as sticker lol |
| 20:43.47 | icebrew54 | so possibly why I was getting them cheap..... |
| 20:43.55 | icebrew54 | but they work quite well |
| 20:44.04 | [TK]D-Fender | http://www.telephonydepot.com/Catalog/Linksys-Analog-Adapters |
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| 20:45.59 | Khratos | Good afternoon |
| 20:48.17 | oneeyedelf1 | [TK]D-Fender: why does the spa2102 cost more than the pap2t, and is the advantage of the spa3102 that it does QOS? |
| 20:48.39 | Mark17 | is it possible to give a goto command to start at a certain point at an dial plan (not at the beginning)? |
| 20:48.46 | keebler | Why should it matter if the ATA does QoS if you have a good QoS model implimented on the server? |
| 20:48.47 | Mark17 | and do this from inside that dial plan? |
| 20:49.29 | [TK]D-Fender | oneeyedelf1: 2102 i& 3102 both have routers built in, bigger CPU's for supported G.729 on both ports, and T.38 support. 3102 also supports an FXO port to allow you to use an analog line as a separate device as well. |
| 20:49.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: Goto goes to the PRECISE priority you tell it to |
| 20:52.20 | Mark17 | is it possible that while playing some text (using playback) that it continues to the next line at the dialplan? so the phones can all ready start running while there is something said like: we are trying to connect you to an employe |
| 20:52.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: Please be specific about the actiios you expect to do whil that plays... |
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| 20:54.22 | oneeyedelf1 | [TK]D-Fender: thanks I don't need those features so I can go about getting the cheaper one |
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| 20:55.07 | Mark17 | it needs to dial some (specified) sip extencions and 1 phone number (like: Dial(SIP/1000&SIP/1001&SIP/0642408602@trunk-out,,t)) |
| 20:55.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: Your option is m(). "core show application dial" |
| 20:56.11 | cheesegrits | Hopefully a simple question .... I'm runnig the latest SVN of 1.6, and suddenly I don't have 'originate' or 'reload' commands in my CLI |
| 20:56.28 | russellb | which 1.6? |
| 20:56.34 | russellb | check for "channel originate" |
| 20:56.42 | cheesegrits | latest SVN, trunk |
| 20:56.47 | russellb | ah. |
| 20:56.53 | russellb | yeahhh ... it's "channel originate" |
| 20:57.09 | russellb | if you want it to be just "originate", you can use res_clialises.so ... add an alias to /etc/asterisk/cli_alises.conf |
| 20:57.19 | russellb | s/alises/aliases/ |
| 20:57.22 | cheesegrits | am I imagining things, or did it used to be just 'originate' |
| 20:57.27 | Mark17 | [TK]D-Fender: where can i find information about how to use the option m()? |
| 20:57.29 | russellb | it used to be, yeah .. |
| 20:57.44 | Mark17 | i am using asterisk 1.6.0.3 |
| 20:57.51 | cheesegrits | what about 'reload' |
| 20:57.56 | russellb | "core reload" |
| 20:57.57 | russellb | i think |
| 20:58.01 | russellb | or maybe "module reload" |
| 20:58.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: Your option is m(). "core show application dial" <------------------------------------------ |
| 20:58.08 | russellb | i can't keep up |
| 20:58.31 | cheesegrits | it's 'module reload' ... THANKS!!! |
| 20:59.11 | russellb | np. |
| 20:59.47 | Mark17 | could you give me an example if i give my current dialplan? i cannot find how to set it in the config :S |
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| 21:01.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: "core show application dial" <----- read the friggen instructions :) |
| 21:01.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: its 1 stupid parameter to your DIAL |
| 21:01.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: This ain't Raw-Cat Science |
| 21:03.11 | lesouvage | I suddenly lost incoming audio during a phoecall. I ahven't changed anything and the telephone provider says he doens't change anything. The cable company is busy with its network but they say there changes can't case the problems. Where can I start testing to proof that the cable company is causing problems? |
| 21:03.27 | lesouvage | I lost the incoming audio on all phonecalls. |
| 21:07.43 | lesouvage | It looks like the audio stream can't find its way to the Asterisk server while the signaling is working fine. The other side has proper audio. |
| 21:09.47 | Khratos | maybe testing your asterisk box with another provider :/ |
| 21:10.18 | Mark17 | [TK]D-Fender: how could i specify what file is played for the music on hold to the calling party? |
| 21:10.25 | [TK]D-Fender | maybe this description is hollow without any defining characteristics. |
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| 21:11.04 | blitzrage | needs to remember to come in here and change the topic when a release goes out :) |
| 21:11.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: m() <- read the instructions. |
| 21:11.23 | Khratos | I think that Mark17 is seriously compromised with not reading documentation |
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| 21:12.49 | Mark17 | i am reading documentation, but i cannot find m() in the documentation i have here |
| 21:13.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: "core show application dial" <---- |
| 21:15.04 | Khratos | Mark17, my documentation says something like: |
| 21:15.08 | Khratos | m([class]) - Provide hold music to the calling party until a requested |
| 21:15.08 | Khratos | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.08 | Khratos | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.26 | Khratos | does yours says anything different? |
| 21:18.53 | Khratos | Check musiconhold.conf for the class |
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| 21:23.30 | Mark17 | Khratos: i did look in some old documentation, i did just get new documentation |
| 21:24.13 | Khratos | uuuu... get the new version of the "Asterisk The Future of Tel." book |
| 21:24.24 | Khratos | also read all .conf files for more info |
| 21:24.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: and I pointed you to CLI over 20 minutes ago. Then repeated this TWICE MORE |
| 21:24.53 | Khratos | And in the asterisk source, theres a folder called 'docs' or doc |
| 21:24.58 | Khratos | There's gold in there |
| 21:25.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Mark17: Sorry, *5* times more, and it was actually more like 1/2 hour ago |
| 21:25.18 | Khratos | btw, [TK]D-Fender is right, he pointed it out several times |
| 21:25.40 | [TK]D-Fender | reaches for his ClueBat (tm) |
| 21:25.56 | Khratos | haha |
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| 21:27.21 | Khratos | Also, Mark17 , some obscures factors (like how dows multiple set of parameters should correctly be placed in Asterisk AMI) can be found on the *-users mailing list |
| 21:28.37 | icebrew54 | [TK]D-Fender: okay I have my source ulaw/gsm test files for the audio capture, how do I go about playing them back on my desktop? |
| 21:29.00 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: VLS will probably play them. Or Totem, etc |
| 21:29.04 | [TK]D-Fender | VLC* |
| 21:29.19 | Khratos | or mplayer, that thing plays almost anything |
| 21:30.24 | [TK]D-Fender | yup |
| 21:30.34 | icebrew54 | vlc no go.... |
| 21:30.41 | icebrew54 | ok let's try mplayer |
| 21:30.45 | Khratos | go ahead |
| 21:32.40 | [Jasper] | hej guys |
| 21:32.45 | [Jasper] | geting a error while making asterisk |
| 21:32.46 | [Jasper] | *** No rule to make target `anaFilter.o', needed by `libilbc.a'. Stop. |
| 21:32.58 | icebrew54 | doh.... |
| 21:32.59 | icebrew54 | ok... |
| 21:33.05 | icebrew54 | it's the wav format that's doing it |
| 21:33.18 | icebrew54 | when I capture/convert to wav it screws it up |
| 21:33.40 | Khratos | uuumm... I see, |
| 21:33.52 | icebrew54 | both gsm/ulaw playback fine via asterisk playback cmd |
| 21:34.29 | icebrew54 | my end goal is to have monitor files in ogg format |
| 21:34.47 | icebrew54 | i was capturing to wav - then sox to merge, then conversion to ogg |
| 21:34.47 | Khratos | You have them in wav format, right? |
| 21:35.04 | icebrew54 | [TK]D-Fender advised me to test with other formats (gsm, ulaw) |
| 21:35.06 | icebrew54 | did that, success |
| 21:35.35 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: Did you play back the WAV directly now? |
| 21:35.38 | Khratos | Maybe sox itself could convert them after mixing them, maybe |
| 21:36.33 | icebrew54 | capturing a wav now, and going to playback via asterisk |
| 21:36.47 | icebrew54 | not sure what formats sox supports |
| 21:37.23 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: think "kitchen sink" |
| 21:38.01 | Khratos | maybe if you make your own script (a simple shellscript could do it) using sox, first to mix, then to convert, and you set MONITOR_EXEC variable to the name of the script |
| 21:38.20 | icebrew54 | yep, doing that now |
| 21:38.28 | icebrew54 | (via monitor exec) |
| 21:38.31 | icebrew54 | was using wav as source |
| 21:38.45 | [Jasper] | what is libilbc used for? |
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| 21:39.15 | Khratos | I think (don't believe me, [Jasper] ) that it does something with ilbc support |
| 21:39.43 | Khratos | Particularly, I don't compile with ilbc support |
| 21:40.09 | [Jasper] | Khratos what part of menuselect would that be uner? |
| 21:40.12 | [Jasper] | under even |
| 21:40.52 | Khratos | 'Codec Translators' |
| 21:40.53 | oneeyedelf1 | whats the best sounding compression algo? |
| 21:41.13 | oneeyedelf1 | I have lots of bandwidth and low packet loss |
| 21:41.28 | Mark17 | now i did add a new class (if I am correct) in /etc/asterisk/musiconhold.conf ([sijn] \n mode=files \n directory=/var/lib/asterisk/moh/sijn, where \n is a return) and I use exten => 1015,7,Dial(SIP/3000,30,m([sijn])) and now are the default sound files played and not the music on hold files in /var/lib/asterisk/moh/sijn, how can i change it so they are played? |
| 21:41.55 | Khratos | what's 'algo' (that means 'thing' in my native language :P) |
| 21:41.56 | Khratos | ? |
| 21:42.37 | Khratos | Mark17, sometimes pastebin d0t com would be a better solution than paste directly here :P |
| 21:42.49 | Khratos | at least for understanding purposes xD |
| 21:42.57 | oneeyedelf1 | Khratos: algorithm |
| 21:43.54 | oneeyedelf1 | another way to say, what codec should I use to sound the best if I have high bandwidth and practically no packet loss |
| 21:44.18 | Khratos | In that case... ulaw , (I would say) |
| 21:45.30 | icebrew54 | hrm |
| 21:46.48 | Khratos | Dear Mark17 , a lot of times (I can not say that always) when '[]' is used in documentation (at least in the open source software I have seen), means 'optional' |
| 21:47.13 | Khratos | When you see a parameter inside '[]' it means that it is not required to specify it |
| 21:48.42 | Mark17 | Khratos: lets try without it |
| 21:48.51 | Mark17 | works thanks all! |
| 21:49.17 | Khratos | You are welcome :) , Note: remember that, you will see a LOT of documentation using that format |
| 21:50.19 | Mark17 | i know, but somethimes [ and ] are required at asterisk (read: when i want to specify an class) |
| 21:51.01 | Khratos | Yes, but I mean when some documentation is talking about parameters |
| 21:51.14 | Khratos | optional parameters are enclosed inside '[]' |
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| 21:52.35 | icebrew54 | jesus shit bird christ... |
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| 21:52.43 | icebrew54 | my problem ended up being: vlc |
| 21:53.15 | dan__t | Hello again. |
| 21:53.16 | Mark17 | i know, but i didnt see it before at asterisk documentation |
| 21:53.25 | Khratos | icebrew54, I'm Christian, could we have more respect about those topics? |
| 21:53.27 | Khratos | :) |
| 21:53.36 | icebrew54 | Khratos: will do, sorry to vent |
| 21:53.51 | icebrew54 | my apologies, no meant to offend |
| 21:53.57 | Khratos | no problem man :D |
| 21:55.51 | oneeyedelf1 | thanks Khratos |
| 21:56.37 | Khratos | brb bro, I'm going to see a movie now :P |
| 21:56.45 | Khratos | brb in a while, take care |
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| 22:00.54 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrew54: Today's debugging tip : Thoroughness |
| 22:01.30 | icebrew54 | [TK]D-Fender: yes, you are right....I failed today man :( |
| 22:02.03 | icebrew54 | I can't believe it ended up being vlc |
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| 22:09.40 | [TK]D-Fender | icebrBut just think... all your old recordings are OK! |
| 22:11.11 | icebrew54 | ahh yes, that's the other nice part....checking back on them now |
| 22:11.20 | icebrew54 | switched up using to soxmix to merge |
| 22:11.36 | icebrew54 | so they were getting appended before |
| 22:11.44 | icebrew54 | not a good time |
| 22:17.30 | drmessano | I so fail at robocopy |
| 22:17.37 | drmessano | Lost some configs I needed |
| 22:17.38 | drmessano | :( |
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| 22:32.28 | mikea | Hi |
| 22:32.34 | mikea | I've got a quick question about users.conf |
| 22:32.53 | mikea | For an email to be deleted once it's been emailed, is the parameter in users.conf still delete=yes? |
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| 22:33.28 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: depends on the e-mail client |
| 22:33.52 | mikea | [TK]D-Fender, I'm talking about deleting the voicemail on the server once its been sent |
| 22:34.17 | mikea | In voicemail.conf the setting used to be delete=yes.. as soon as the VM system emailed the wav file to the user, the VM was deleted from the VM system. |
| 22:34.18 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: that is another matte.... probably... |
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| 22:34.39 | mikea | I'm looking for some docs on users.conf and there's not a lot out there. |
| 22:34.43 | mikea | I read through the comments, too. |
| 22:35.32 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: Yup.... it sucks |
| 22:35.35 | [TK]D-Fender | ~users.conf |
| 22:35.36 | jbot | users.conf is a flaming pile of sh1t that takes the fine control of several perfectly usable * config files and reduces them to the lowest common denominator and makes your system behave like a "toaster grade" PBX system. |
| 22:35.59 | mikea | jbot: that sounds about right |
| 22:36.38 | mikea | That being said |
| 22:36.56 | mikea | Can I put delete=yes in users.conf and not have to delete emails on my phone? ;-) |
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| 22:36.57 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: I don't see any of the VM optiosn in the samples, etc |
| 22:37.06 | mikea | [TK]D-Fender, yeah, all I see is vmsecret |
| 22:37.22 | mikea | I'll try it and see what happens |
| 22:37.51 | mikea | I read someplace that users.conf was actually parsed by all of the asterisk subsystems |
| 22:37.53 | mikea | so it should just work |
| 22:39.50 | mikea | nope.. |
| 22:39.57 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: Indeed... I'm reading code now... |
| 22:40.27 | icebrew54 | I can't wait till an SIP client for android drops |
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| 22:43.06 | mikea | it works |
| 22:43.38 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: damn hard to trace |
| 22:43.53 | mikea | yeah, I'm not a big fan of users.conf |
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| 22:48.52 | mikea | I am a pretty big fan of asterisk these days, though. |
| 22:49.04 | mikea | I've been playing with VXI* and VoiceXML |
| 22:50.15 | mikea | What is up with 1.6? Is it the production release? |
| 22:51.33 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: "Production" is what YOU do. 1.6 is just newer than 1.4 |
| 22:51.51 | mikea | yeah, but is it still considered a development release, or is it stable? |
| 22:51.59 | mikea | What are the benefits/drawbacks if any? |
| 22:52.05 | Dovid | sondiderd stable. |
| 22:52.11 | Dovid | i am sticking to 1.4.x for now |
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| 22:52.29 | mikea | I tried 1.6 first, but there was something I couldn't get working |
| 22:52.40 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: namely? |
| 22:52.59 | mikea | I was having problems with asterisk-gui, Asterisk 1.6, and dahdi |
| 22:53.08 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: thats a GUI issue period... |
| 22:53.22 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: Stupid thing wasn't built or adapted well to DAHDI it seems |
| 22:53.27 | mikea | GUI-version : SVN-pari-dahdi_support-r4446 |
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| 22:53.58 | mikea | works fairly good with asterisk 1.4 |
| 22:54.51 | mikea | a lot of the problems I was having was with permissions, too |
| 22:55.01 | mikea | so 1.6 could've gotten a bum rap |
| 22:55.48 | mikea | Anyone do anything with voicexml? |
| 22:55.52 | [TK]D-Fender | mikea: So far 1.6 seems stabler than 1.4 so early on |
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| 23:00.53 | icebrew54 | [TK]D-Fender: any suggestions for reading on a "least call" routing configuration? |
| 23:01.04 | icebrew54 | to call via the provider that's cheapest etc.? |
| 23:07.45 | mikea | icebrew54, It's called Least Cost Routing, or LCR. |
| 23:08.08 | mikea | icebrew54, http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+addon+rate-engine |
| 23:08.15 | icebrew54 | ok, will do |
| 23:09.11 | Darksmurf | FWIW: grandcentral with Gizmo5 = free inbound VOIP calls. Using Grandcentral's 'call this number' function from the website you get free outbound (but you have to dial from GC). Very cool.. |
| 23:09.39 | NovceGuru | agi script = free phonez |
| 23:09.55 | NovceGuru | h4x |
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| 23:53.32 | joako | icebrew54: You might want to take a look at a2billing. There is a bit of a learning curve, the interface isn't too nice... but it seems to work well otherwise |
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