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| 00:07.14 | hardwire | what layer 1 failover devices are available in the US? |
| 00:07.15 | hardwire | like |
| 00:07.35 | hardwire | isdnguard and the beronet stuff isn't even sold in the US |
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| 00:11.24 | voxter | I'm trying to do a chanspy on a channel, and it is telling me "Cannot provide audio mixing on 'ulaw-'ulaw' format spies" - except none of the calls are using ulaw, and it doesnt start the spy. Anyone know why this would happen? |
| 00:14.18 | hardwire | I'm guessing it's so hard to buy one because it's.. well.. so hard to sell one. |
| 00:14.58 | voxter | ok so that was my fault for modifying the chanspy code! hah. |
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| 00:32.40 | Optic | hello all |
| 00:32.56 | Optic | i've got a fastAGI script that suddenly stopped getting DTMF |
| 00:33.08 | Optic | DMTF works fine in the demo context, for example |
| 00:33.12 | Optic | but doesn't make it into the AGI |
| 00:33.15 | Optic | it used to work. :( |
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| 00:33.44 | Optic | WAIT FOR DIGIT just times out |
| 00:34.09 | unpaidbill | ugh, SendFAX is not detecting T.38 |
| 00:34.28 | unpaidbill | i dont have to specify anything special in sip.conf to make it work do i? |
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| 00:37.05 | unpaidbill | oh wow |
| 00:37.39 | CrashSys | Anyone ever worked with CDR_MySQL? I'm trying to set an extra field using Set(CDR(fieldname)=1) but it's not taking |
| 00:37.53 | ManxPower | unpaidbill: sendfax or tx_fax? |
| 00:38.13 | ManxPower | unpaidbill: you understand that Asterisk is not a T.38 endpoint, right? |
| 00:38.48 | ManxPower | Optic: the classic cause of that is not running whatever AGI startup function your AGI library has. |
| 00:39.05 | ManxPower | If STDIN is not read and parsed, you won't get the DTMF |
| 00:46.25 | unpaidbill | sendfax |
| 00:46.28 | unpaidbill | i'm using 1.6 |
| 00:46.37 | unpaidbill | it supports origination/termination for t.38 just not gateway |
| 00:46.44 | unpaidbill | i have it almost working now |
| 00:47.00 | Optic | manx: hmm, it seems to work if I answer and play a file before i start the AGI |
| 00:47.12 | unpaidbill | it's at least negotiating the t.38 stuff now |
| 00:47.24 | unpaidbill | exciting |
| 00:47.46 | unpaidbill | once i can use asterisk as a t.38 gateway i'll be a super happy camper |
| 00:50.36 | unpaidbill | Got T.38 Re-invite without audio. Keeping RTP active during T.38 session. //// T38 negotiated, finishing audio loop //// Fax phase E handler. result=49 /// Error transmitting fax. result=49: The call dropped prematurely. |
| 00:50.38 | unpaidbill | so close. |
| 00:56.51 | Defraz | I am trying to use the IP DHCP Snooping command but it doesn't seem to be found. |
| 00:57.01 | Defraz | is that part of a different feature set? |
| 00:57.10 | Defraz | oops wrong channel |
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| 01:10.24 | ManxPower | Defraz: try enabling DHCP server (but don't config anything) on the router. In some versions of the IOS I had to do this to do DHCP across subnets/vlans |
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| 01:13.53 | unpaidbill | SUCCESS |
| 01:15.41 | unpaidbill | hey this works pretty good, well done sirs and whoever wrote spandsp |
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| 01:16.27 | unpaidbill | i will totally buy you a lapdance if you visit honolulu |
| 01:16.37 | chaozer | unpaidbill, what are you using ? :) ( i wasnt listening) ;) |
| 01:17.00 | chaozer | just the faxplugin for asterisk ? |
| 01:17.01 | unpaidbill | asterisk 1.6rc6, spandsp 0.0.5pre4, and app_fax (SendFAX) |
| 01:17.07 | chaozer | ok |
| 01:17.35 | unpaidbill | Fax transmitted successfully. /// Pages transferred: 2 ///Image resolution: 8031 x 7700///Transfer Rate: 14400///FLOW T.38T FAX exchange complete |
| 01:17.37 | unpaidbill | woo! |
| 01:17.50 | chaozer | unpaidbill, ... when I tried it I noticed it doesnt handle failed transmissions very well.. (no resend). |
| 01:18.12 | unpaidbill | well i just started testing, that was the first fax i sent through so far |
| 01:18.45 | unpaidbill | it will hopefully work well for me, the SIP host i connect to is on the other side of my T1 |
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| 01:19.15 | chaozer | unpaidbill, im using hylafax + iaxmodem myself ... with SIP ... works good for incoming faxes only... for a reason I don't yet quite understand. |
| 01:19.47 | unpaidbill | i used to use that |
| 01:19.52 | unpaidbill | but i've been having a really bad time with it lately |
| 01:20.23 | unpaidbill | switched over from e&m wink to a PRI and things just suck now |
| 01:20.43 | unpaidbill | plus our backend is voip handled by an adtran device, so instead of splitting off 8 pairs it uses voip and QoS |
| 01:21.24 | unpaidbill | we went from 100% reliability to 10% |
| 01:21.28 | chaozer | ouch |
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| 01:22.17 | unpaidbill | i do love hylafax + iaxmodem though, i wish it still worked :/ |
| 01:22.22 | unpaidbill | do you do email or printing to fax? |
| 01:22.52 | chaozer | i have a 100% successrate on incoming faxes (more or less) .. and something like 50% on outgoing.... not suprising considering its over VoIP... .. but I dont understand why it differs so much depending on if its outgoign or incoming. |
| 01:22.57 | unpaidbill | the best i've found is winprint hylafax but it doesnt support a cover page, i was gonna add it in but i dont have any way to compile borland C |
| 01:23.02 | chaozer | unpaidbill, email. |
| 01:23.22 | unpaidbill | do you just attach a default cover page? or use the body of the email? |
| 01:23.53 | unpaidbill | your upstream sucks maybe? :P |
| 01:24.23 | chaozer | i use it together with AvantFax .. so you can actually choose to attach a cover when sending with a nice web interface :) |
| 01:24.39 | unpaidbill | ahh that's the payware hylafax deal right? |
| 01:24.43 | chaozer | upstream AND downstream both suck :) |
| 01:24.48 | chaozer | payware? nah |
| 01:24.58 | chaozer | its a free webinterface written in php |
| 01:25.17 | unpaidbill | oh wow this looks awesome |
| 01:25.19 | chaozer | google it :)... its very nice .. |
| 01:25.26 | chaozer | and you can even read pdfs directly in the browser. |
| 01:25.36 | chaozer | or save them out ... etc :) |
| 01:25.42 | unpaidbill | damn, i totally need to get hylafax working again, i wonder if i can use t38modem |
| 01:26.16 | chaozer | i did some tries with that ... .. and discovered my provider doesnt support t38 :( |
| 01:26.23 | unpaidbill | wtf! |
| 01:26.27 | unpaidbill | who is your provider? |
| 01:26.33 | chaozer | rix telecom ... im in sweden :) |
| 01:26.38 | unpaidbill | i thought pretty much every sip provider supported t38 in some form or another |
| 01:26.39 | unpaidbill | oh |
| 01:26.45 | unpaidbill | well i cant vouch for sweden |
| 01:26.58 | chaozer | yeah ... pretty much everyone else does support it ... but not them :) |
| 01:27.11 | chaozer | which is ..... pretty annoying right now ;) |
| 01:27.51 | chaozer | right now we have fax sending working well with just a normal analogue line and a faxmodem ;) .... it sucks a bit as you can only send one at a time ... but its an ok solution. |
| 01:28.32 | chaozer | atleast receiving multiple faxes works :) |
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| 01:37.01 | baliktad | I remember seeing some sort of asterisk incompatibility/bug with CentOS 5.2, is that true/anyone have more info or link? |
| 01:37.23 | chaozer | soundas weird..... |
| 01:39.57 | unpaidbill | yes baliktad i have heard that, i believe it was posted on asterisk.org or something.. though i cant remember exactly either |
| 01:40.00 | unpaidbill | some library issue |
| 01:45.35 | jaytee | ~centosbug |
| 01:45.36 | jbot | it has been said that centosbug is a problem with the 2.6.9 kernels prior to 2.6.9-42 If you can't compile zaptel, do a 'yum update', you're running an old kernel. If you HAVE to run an old kernel, the fix is "sed -i s/rw_lock/rwlock/ /usr/src/kernels/*/include/linux/spinlock.h |
| 01:46.33 | jaytee | also when you compile zaptel use make menuselect and if you don't need it, deselect the Astribank driver. |
| 01:46.45 | chaozer | guys .. is there something in asterisk to ignore keypresses from the user ? |
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| 01:50.42 | chaozer | hmm ... nevermind ;) |
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| 01:51.26 | puga | anyone know who manage SIP TLS support for asterisk? |
| 01:51.34 | puga | the developer |
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| 01:54.04 | RB2 | Evening all, I'm trying to run setup-polycom, but it wants an interface prefixed with eth. I'm using a hosted asterisk VPS, so the interface is venet0. Is there a way to run the script against that interface? |
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| 02:01.38 | chaozer | RB2, i didnt use that script myself.... buy why not just edit the script or rename the interface ;) ? |
| 02:01.40 | chaozer | but |
| 02:02.41 | chaozer | actually... |
| 02:02.50 | TrentCreek | but nuttin |
| 02:02.59 | chaozer | just do this... |
| 02:02.59 | TrentCreek | who got the 8.95 Wall World phone |
| 02:03.03 | TrentCreek | yeahoooooo! |
| 02:03.08 | RB2 | chaozer, I just edited the resulting server.cfg that it created. |
| 02:03.25 | chaozer | well then problem solved ;) |
| 02:03.35 | RB2 | It just finished updating the BootROM and now it's Downloading the new application, so it appears to be working |
| 02:04.42 | chaozer | another approach would be to run "sed" on the script itself and replace all "eth" instances with "venet" ;) |
| 02:07.25 | chaozer | can anyone recommend a good recent movie ? im bored ;) |
| 02:07.36 | TrentCreek | Dark Knight |
| 02:08.28 | chaozer | TrentCreek, yeah well duh :)... ive seen that one ;) .. like the rest 99% of the worlds population ;) |
| 02:08.41 | TrentCreek | guess I am that 1% |
| 02:08.47 | chaozer | TrentCreek, ;) |
| 02:09.18 | TrentCreek | Blackula |
| 02:09.24 | chaozer | hm |
| 02:09.43 | chaozer | from 1987 ? |
| 02:09.54 | chaozer | lol looks like a porn movie |
| 02:10.01 | chaozer | with ron jeremy ;) |
| 02:10.14 | chaozer | oh im looking at "lust of blackula" .P |
| 02:11.09 | chaozer | i can only find "blacula" from 1972 .. a bit to old for my taste :) |
| 02:11.21 | TrentCreek | no pr0n |
| 02:11.52 | TrentCreek | it's one of those "blacsploitation" movies |
| 02:12.27 | chaozer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvR6nfsIk3E |
| 02:12.30 | chaozer | this one ? ;) |
| 02:13.23 | chaozer | .. i dont know if I could enjoy that ;) |
| 02:13.38 | TrentCreek | "Blaxploitation films tend to take place in the ghetto, dealing with pimps, drug dealers, and hit men." |
| 02:14.47 | TrentCreek | yea...that's it |
| 02:15.28 | mchou | chaozer: seen Wall-e? |
| 02:15.35 | chaozer | mm :).. way to vintage for my taste :) .. although there are a few gems from the 70's ;) ... |
| 02:15.51 | chaozer | mchou, yeah :) ... it was ok .... |
| 02:16.37 | mchou | chaozer: why dont you tell us what your favorite movies are so we can understand what you're looking for :) |
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| 02:17.18 | seanbright | shawshank! |
| 02:17.20 | TrentCreek | Burt Reynolds instead |
| 02:17.20 | TrentCreek | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xeEdOrteX0 |
| 02:17.20 | chaozer | mchou, I like pretty much everything ... but favourites have to be scifi flicks... but anything goes really :) ... |
| 02:17.38 | TrentCreek | Gator McClusky! |
| 02:18.00 | seanbright | Shut The Fuck Up! |
| 02:18.01 | seanbright | heh |
| 02:18.29 | mchou | chaozer: you like foregn movies? |
| 02:18.35 | mchou | foreign* |
| 02:19.13 | chaozer | mchou, depends .. but yes ... especially korean and jap movies tend to be very good. |
| 02:19.25 | chaozer | indian ... not so much ;) |
| 02:19.36 | chaozer | french .. can't stand the language ... |
| 02:21.38 | mchou | chaozer: Have you seen "The Host?" |
| 02:21.49 | chaozer | mchou, yeah .. loved it :) |
| 02:22.45 | chaozer | anyone of you seen "saving the green planet" ? |
| 02:23.00 | chaozer | thats one of the best korean movies *ever* :) |
| 02:23.03 | mchou | chaozer: need imdb linky pls |
| 02:23.32 | chaozer | mchou, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0354668/ |
| 02:24.01 | mchou | hmm, haven seen that. I'll check it out |
| 02:24.38 | mchou | chaozer: you've seen "There will be blood"? |
| 02:25.00 | mchou | highly recommended if you havent seen that |
| 02:25.03 | drmessano | Hmmmm |
| 02:25.16 | drmessano | I think I know what kinda movie chaozer wants |
| 02:25.17 | chaozer | mchou, seen it .. . one of the best movies this year. |
| 02:26.11 | chaozer | or last year rather ;) |
| 02:26.24 | nosbig | Have either of you watched "The Rage"? |
| 02:26.54 | chaozer | nosbig, hmm |
| 02:26.56 | mchou | lol |
| 02:27.04 | mchou | 4.4 rating on imdb |
| 02:27.08 | mchou | no thanks |
| 02:27.18 | chaozer | nosbig, nope.. not seen that one |
| 02:27.34 | chaozer | hey some of the best movies score low at imdb |
| 02:27.38 | chaozer | just look at Repli-Kate :D |
| 02:27.39 | drmessano | No |
| 02:27.55 | chaozer | one of the best comedies of all time ;) |
| 02:28.35 | nosbig | Yeah... It's a really good bad horror file... or a really bad horro film, depending on your perspective... ;-) |
| 02:28.36 | TrentCreek | http://www.hancinema.net/korean_movie_Summer_Time.php?ac=1 |
| 02:28.40 | drmessano | But chaozer, I think, is looking for one of those movies where two people play mommy and daddy except one is not a mommy but a daddy and he really likes it and doesnt know why, so dont tell anyone... |
| 02:29.01 | RB2 | Hurrah, it worked. :D |
| 02:30.22 | chaozer | drmessano, sorry to dissapoint you.. but I don't go that way ;) |
| 02:30.57 | drmessano | That's what they all say.. |
| 02:31.28 | RB2 | lol |
| 02:32.07 | drmessano | Even after they toss pics of the inside of their PBX to you under the mens room stall at Astricon. |
| 02:32.10 | mchou | I've seen that movie. It's called "the Crying Game" :) |
| 02:32.23 | chaozer | TrentCreek, seen that movie ? |
| 02:32.27 | TrentCreek | yeah |
| 02:32.38 | drmessano | "Have a look at my TDM69P" |
| 02:32.39 | TrentCreek | Caused quite a bit of stir in Korea |
| 02:32.51 | chaozer | TrentCreek, sounds dangerous |
| 02:33.10 | chaozer | TrentCreek, good score though |
| 02:33.15 | TrentCreek | #1 because the girl was a famous pop singer (great=nude sex scenes, and two the subject matter) |
| 02:33.16 | mchou | TrentCreek: so you recommend Summer Time? |
| 02:33.27 | TrentCreek | yeah..was a hit in Korea |
| 02:33.32 | chaozer | TrentCreek, thanks... i'll check it out :) |
| 02:33.36 | TrentCreek | I have it on DVD |
| 02:33.48 | TrentCreek | There is a nother, but I cannot find it yet |
| 02:33.48 | chaozer | TrentCreek, is it a flick to watch WITH or WITHOUT the wife ;) ? |
| 02:33.56 | mchou | haha |
| 02:33.59 | TrentCreek | either or |
| 02:34.05 | mchou | if you need to ask..... |
| 02:34.07 | chaozer | ok .. good to know :P |
| 02:34.18 | mchou | watch it with the mistress :) |
| 02:34.52 | TrentCreek | Here is a good one for with the wife |
| 02:34.53 | TrentCreek | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Present |
| 02:35.08 | TrentCreek | She will be teary eyed |
| 02:35.49 | chaozer | thanks .. i'll check it out aswell |
| 02:36.26 | chaozer | while we are on korean movies.. i really hope you guys have seen Siworae ? |
| 02:37.02 | chaozer | the best romance/scifi movie ever :) |
| 02:37.24 | TrentCreek | I found a trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q4WR-E38ag |
| 02:39.32 | mchou | It looks a bit overdramatic |
| 02:39.34 | chaozer | TrentCreek, man that looks kinda tragic |
| 02:39.51 | TrentCreek | it is |
| 02:39.55 | chaozer | i'll still check it out though :) |
| 02:40.25 | TrentCreek | If you order it from HK, you can get with English subtitles |
| 02:40.57 | TrentCreek | mchou: maybe, but it won awards |
| 02:41.44 | chaozer | how about siworae, then ? did you guys see it ? |
| 02:41.54 | mchou | or you can watch "Sicko" |
| 02:42.02 | mchou | I recommend that movie |
| 02:42.16 | TrentCreek | that's not a "movie" |
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| 02:42.30 | TrentCreek | or Sling Blade |
| 02:42.33 | chaozer | the michael moore flick ? :) seen it if you are talking about that |
| 02:42.42 | mchou | TrentCreek: it's probably better than any movie :) |
| 02:42.51 | mchou | chaozer: yeah |
| 02:43.14 | TrentCreek | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8CF0izAyrE |
| 02:43.17 | TrentCreek | Sling Blade! |
| 02:43.30 | mchou | Sling blade sucked |
| 02:44.03 | drmessano | Overrated movie |
| 02:44.08 | TrentCreek | "I guess I ain't got no reason to kill anymore." |
| 02:44.30 | mchou | chaozer: you know "the lake house" is remake of Siworae, right? |
| 02:44.39 | chaozer | mchou, luckily i live in sweden ;) .. so sicko doesnt really concern me :) |
| 02:44.50 | chaozer | mchou, yes... but the lake house is a bad remake of siworae :) |
| 02:44.58 | TrentCreek | BBT should have gotten a award for that |
| 02:45.08 | drmessano | LOL |
| 02:45.14 | mchou | chaozer: name an American remake that wasnt bad :) |
| 02:45.52 | chaozer | mchou, the ring :) .. i liked the american one better myself ... although not everyone agrees with me ;) |
| 02:46.16 | mchou | The ring was only good because of what's her name |
| 02:46.54 | chaozer | yeah but ... they did nail it pretty well imo :) |
| 02:47.36 | drmessano | I really don't get horror movies.. want to show me real horror.. I want a 90 minute feature flick with a guy trying to get cash back at a supermarket on a wednesday night after 10PM after writing a check, or coming home and finding your cat has a bad case of diarrhea and didn't feel happy when she got sick in one room, so she kept moving....all day. |
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| 02:48.03 | chaozer | drmessano, thats another type of horror yea ;) |
| 02:48.19 | mchou | drmessano: I'm sure you've do the same if you were in the cat's shoes :) |
| 02:48.49 | drmessano | lol |
| 02:49.51 | drmessano | Coming this summer from Paramount Pictures: Ben Affleck and Jennifer Gardner in "The SIP that echoed" |
| 02:50.48 | drmessano | or Robin Williams in "The IAX Murder" |
| 02:51.01 | drmessano | "Whats the matter boy, don't like SIP?" |
| 02:51.04 | drmessano | Coming THIS SUMMER |
| 02:51.53 | chaozer | watches a desert ball roll by.... |
| 02:52.37 | RB2 | Have any of you guys setup Asterisk with Broadvoice? |
| 02:53.12 | drmessano | Brought together by lust, and kept apart by a love for incompatible VoIP technologies, two distant lovers set out to find the secre tto chan_skype, in a new feature film from RKO pictures... "A dog named Skype" |
| 02:53.33 | chaozer | RB2, nope ... but thats just normal SIP, no ? |
| 02:53.35 | drmessano | "This film is not yet rated" |
| 02:55.18 | RB2 | chaozer, yeah, it is and they have instructions for asterisk. But, I'm using FreePBX and I don't think the extension properties are labeled the same as in the conf file. |
| 02:55.41 | chaozer | ah... |
| 02:56.13 | RB2 | I've setup asterisk before, but I'm still a newbie. So, figuring it out is like banging my head against the wall. :-P |
| 02:56.39 | chaozer | RB2, well.. whats the problem right now then ? |
| 02:56.41 | RB2 | But at least I got the poly 650 up and running. ;) |
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| 02:57.33 | RB2 | They want me to set a "fromuser" property on the extension. But, I don't see anything that looks like that in FreePBX |
| 02:57.34 | chaozer | i ironed out my problems via the cli and sip debug 9 when I set up my rixtelecom connection. |
| 02:57.52 | drmessano | Why do you need to set a fromuser for the extension? |
| 02:58.01 | drmessano | Don't you mean for the "trunk"? |
| 02:58.56 | chaozer | he probably does :) |
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| 02:59.28 | RB2 | hehe |
| 02:59.49 | chaozer | RB2, but there is probably something for it ... as its rather important |
| 03:00.08 | RB2 | I checked the trunk configuration, but I don't see ANY of the properties they want me to set. They all show up under extensions. |
| 03:00.37 | RB2 | This is what they have: http://www.broadvoice.com/support_install_asterisk.html |
| 03:02.19 | chaozer | googling on freepbx .. it looks as if it should be possible to set fromuser and everything else... |
| 03:02.52 | drmessano | It is |
| 03:03.05 | RB2 | Ah ha! |
| 03:03.16 | drmessano | You dont set up an EXTENSION for connecting to an ITSP |
| 03:03.20 | RB2 | I guess I was having a "duh" moment. I found it |
| 03:03.24 | drmessano | You build params for the peer |
| 03:03.25 | chaozer | ok :) |
| 03:03.30 | chaozer | RB2, good ;) |
| 03:03.51 | RB2 | drmessano, I didn't think so. But, I was being an idiot and didn't see the "PEER Details" box |
| 03:03.57 | chaozer | i prefer "vi" over freepbx myself :P |
| 03:04.46 | drmessano | vi is lame |
| 03:04.54 | jblack | vim, however, rocks |
| 03:04.59 | RB2 | I much prefer to work on the command-line. |
| 03:05.19 | chaozer | naturally ... im using vim :) |
| 03:06.02 | chaozer | vi.. vim ... tomatoe tomato..... |
| 03:06.03 | drmessano | vi is another one of those effing apps that people use so they can claim to be so overly elite, yet, their use of such an antiquated time consuming POS only shows how much of a douche they're being |
| 03:06.18 | drmessano | Like "I wrote my whole website in notepad" <--- Spare time? |
| 03:06.31 | jblack | I have to disagree completely. |
| 03:07.02 | chaozer | drmessano, ... well .. when you are using SSH to remote login to a terminal ... it is prefered to use a tool like that ;) |
| 03:07.14 | jblack | vim is a complicated tool, it does take time and practice to get effective with.. get past that 1 month hump, and it's very quick and powerful. |
| 03:07.28 | jblack | perhaps two months. |
| 03:07.34 | drmessano | or you can use nano and be done with it |
| 03:07.37 | drmessano | oh wait |
| 03:07.42 | jblack | omg. You're not serious? |
| 03:07.45 | drmessano | nano is the windows of editors |
| 03:07.47 | TrentCreek | VIM |
| 03:07.55 | jblack | Do you seriously use nano? |
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| 03:08.05 | chaozer | jblack, lol .. i remember when first using it ... i thought to myself... man "this is crazy" .. but the company where I worked at the time were using only VI on the Tru64 machines ..... |
| 03:08.33 | chaozer | nano is ok I guess.... |
| 03:08.59 | jblack | I suppose, as long as you're not writing code, or you're making a small, simple fix. |
| 03:09.10 | chaozer | i myself however am pretty used to vi by now ... once you are used to it .. you can actually use it very efficiently .. much more so than nano. |
| 03:09.11 | drmessano | What is wrong wiht it? |
| 03:09.40 | jblack | Well, it's rather limited in it's abilities. |
| 03:09.59 | drmessano | It's a text editor.. Why does it need to be overly complicated or there even be a discussion about being "limited" |
| 03:10.08 | drmessano | Open text, modify it, save it |
| 03:10.11 | jblack | nothing needs to be over complicated. |
| 03:10.14 | drmessano | Like an etch-a-sketh |
| 03:10.17 | drmessano | sketch* |
| 03:10.28 | drmessano | So how is nano "limited"? |
| 03:10.42 | chaozer | drmessano, you dont want to go there ;) |
| 03:10.48 | chaozer | believe me |
| 03:10.55 | drmessano | wtf? |
| 03:11.05 | mateo_au | drmessano, you just said that nano is the windows of editors -- isn't that limitation enough? |
| 03:11.05 | drmessano | Are you serious? |
| 03:11.22 | jblack | It's missing about 98% of what's in vim. Syntax highlighting. Quick navigation, regex search and replace, multiple windows. multiple buffers. |
| 03:11.32 | seanbright | drmessano: because it doesn't require control + meta + blood of first born to search and replace |
| 03:11.41 | seanbright | nano has syntax highlighting |
| 03:11.52 | drmessano | No, people seem to thing using nano makes you a windows user or something. |
| 03:12.11 | chaozer | jblack, nano actually has syntax highlighting these days :) |
| 03:12.15 | seanbright | as well as multiple buffers |
| 03:12.29 | jblack | I'd have to agree. The first time I see someone fire up nano, I have to bite my tongue, lest I gripe "god damnit. You didn't tell me you were a newb" |
| 03:12.54 | seanbright | ugh |
| 03:13.02 | jblack | I get that you have a different opinion for that tool, and I respect that. I also have the right to mine. |
| 03:13.04 | drmessano | How the hell does using a certain TEXT editor make you a NEWB? |
| 03:13.23 | drmessano | lol |
| 03:13.28 | jblack | Because the tools someone uses reflects upon their skillset. |
| 03:13.40 | seanbright | drmessano: because although you are entitled to your opinion, it's not his, to you're WRONG |
| 03:13.43 | seanbright | heh |
| 03:13.46 | drmessano | I once again affirm my position that vi only exists for people to feel more elite |
| 03:13.55 | jblack | I'm not saying he's wrong. I think he's wrong. He probably thinks I'm wrong too. |
| 03:13.59 | seanbright | interesting... i always thought you used the right tool for the right job |
| 03:14.15 | chaozer | but the shortcuts in nano are less managable ... it takes more time to handle because of double keypreses instead of like in vi where you only use single keypresses .. its faster to navigate in vi .. when coding it makes a huge difference |
| 03:14.31 | jblack | I wouldn't use vim as a filesystem browser. That's bash's job. |
| 03:14.43 | seanbright | bash? newb. |
| 03:14.47 | seanbright | heh |
| 03:15.04 | drmessano | would rather be coding in a GUI environment anyway, with real navigable windows |
| 03:15.25 | jblack | Seriously, if you're someone that spends a lot of time working in particular formats, you're naturally going to gravitate towards tools that render you more capable in that area. |
| 03:15.30 | jblack | At least normally. |
| 03:15.35 | drmessano | Hang on, lemme Tab-Ctrl-Scroll Lock 11 times to get to the window where my SIP.conf is.. |
| 03:15.37 | drmessano | Crap, 12 |
| 03:15.44 | seanbright | what formats require gravitation towards vi? |
| 03:16.00 | jblack | Require? That's a strawman word. |
| 03:16.18 | jblack | imply I can live with. Line oriented text documents. |
| 03:16.29 | seanbright | jblack: line oriented text documents... "text files" |
| 03:16.39 | chaozer | anyway .. nano is easier to get into ;) .. so both have their advantages and disadvantages ;) |
| 03:16.40 | seanbright | everything-in-a-unix-environment |
| 03:16.41 | seanbright | gotcha. |
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| 03:16.53 | jblack | line oriented text documents are a subset of "text files". |
| 03:17.05 | drmessano | Yes, I too find that when I edit a text document in foopedit vs poofedit, the text seems more powerful |
| 03:17.42 | drmessano | This is why EDLIN remained in DOS until 6.22 |
| 03:17.53 | seanbright | i think assuming something about one's skillset based upon their choice of text editor is a bit silly |
| 03:17.54 | jblack | Take xml files for example. editing xml with vim is hell on earth. |
| 03:18.14 | jblack | You're welcome to your own rules of thumb. :) |
| 03:18.29 | chaozer | jblack, why ? |
| 03:18.54 | drmessano | seanbright: Silly? Sounds like you're one of those newb losers that can't tell the difference between a SIP.conf edited in Vim or edited in Nano.. Now STFU and go boot up Vista, newbmaster |
| 03:18.55 | seanbright | seriously? wow. |
| 03:18.57 | chaozer | jblack, i never had a problem :) |
| 03:18.57 | jblack | because I'm being respectful of the fact that he may have his own, different opinions. |
| 03:19.14 | seanbright | drmessano: i'm already on vista. |
| 03:19.45 | chaozer | right |
| 03:19.49 | seanbright | i am |
| 03:20.06 | chaozer | shivers. |
| 03:20.15 | jblack | heh. nano on vista. |
| 03:20.30 | jblack | tell me that doesn't strike alarm bells |
| 03:20.41 | seanbright | i don't use nano |
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| 03:20.49 | seanbright | on any OS |
| 03:21.00 | jblack | ok |
| 03:21.06 | chaozer | hasnt serioulsy used windows since .... 2002 ;) |
| 03:21.08 | seanbright | <-- emacs |
| 03:21.24 | drmessano | Stallman? Is that you? |
| 03:21.37 | jblack | I can't understand how anyone could like that editor, but a lot of people I respect use it. |
| 03:21.37 | drmessano | Dude, I love your work |
| 03:22.01 | baliktad | bwahaha |
| 03:22.02 | seanbright | oh, and not that this is proof or anything... but -> http://imagebin.ca/view/d8sXzxgW.html |
| 03:22.06 | baliktad | emacs |
| 03:22.22 | baliktad | emacs is a great OS, if it just included a text editor |
| 03:22.30 | jblack | If only they'd add a bootsector.... |
| 03:23.02 | jblack | In all fairness, vim's been heading a bit in the too much direction too.... |
| 03:23.14 | drmessano | People that use any applications that are less time consuming than antiquated overly complicated applications are wasting my time with all their lack of desire to dedicate an inordinate amount of learning time in order to edit a simple text document |
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| 03:23.34 | drmessano | Type a memo in Word and be done 5 minutes? Screw you, I am gonna do it in 15 in Wordperfect 3. |
| 03:23.43 | jblack | drmessano: You don't want to invest the time in more complicated tools, then don't. More power to ou. |
| 03:23.47 | chaozer | seanbright, I find it amazing you can stand that operating system :) |
| 03:23.57 | drmessano | It's a TEXT file |
| 03:24.09 | drmessano | Why does it NEED to be HARD? |
| 03:24.16 | seanbright | drmessano: elitism |
| 03:24.18 | jblack | If you don't mind, I'll avoid neurosurgeons that say "Scapels? Overthinking I say! Now go boil that steak knife for me!" |
| 03:24.25 | drmessano | Exactly what I have been saying |
| 03:24.25 | jameswf-home | open office is free and easy |
| 03:24.42 | seanbright | chaozer: why is that amazing? |
| 03:24.53 | drmessano | Only elitists could make something as simple as editing a text file something worthy of seperating classes of users into. |
| 03:25.09 | jameswf-home | drmessano: Emacs vi |
| 03:25.09 | seanbright | agreed. but i fear it's moot at this point. |
| 03:25.18 | chaozer | seanbright, its so unflexible :) ... and UI wize I always get a shiver when using it ... |
| 03:25.20 | jblack | Sure. But surely you admit that if the investment in a more complicated tool saves much more time than the initial investment in extra learning, then it's worth it. |
| 03:25.40 | seanbright | chaozer: i haven't noticed it to be inflexible. |
| 03:25.42 | jblack | Fine. YOu want me to be blunt, and borderline rude? |
| 03:25.56 | jameswf-home | oh yeah |
| 03:26.02 | drmessano | Unneccesarily complicating a simple task is not saving time |
| 03:26.13 | chaozer | seanbright, i really can't stand the fact that you dont have any proper package handling in windows .. thats probably the most annoying part of it all.. |
| 03:26.14 | seanbright | jblack: wait... you're going to start to be borderline rude? when did you stop? |
| 03:26.17 | jameswf-home | mice waste time |
| 03:26.29 | jameswf-home | oh snap |
| 03:26.34 | drmessano | "took me two months to learn how to edit a text file using Vi" "Oh really, I was busy using the one I edited in 30 seconds" |
| 03:26.49 | TrentCreek | http://www.videosinhd.com/mega.html?file=TX325V8Q |
| 03:26.55 | jblack | I think nano is innefficient for editing all but simplist of things. Someone that hasn't taken the time to work with any but the simplist of tools is inefficient and lazy, in my eye, and noncompetititve. |
| 03:26.57 | seanbright | chaozer: package management? you mean like installers and uninstallers? |
| 03:27.16 | chaozer | seanbright, not really no |
| 03:27.21 | seanbright | chaozer: ok |
| 03:27.24 | jblack | ANd if they're doing it on purpose, they either stubborn, stupid, or both. |
| 03:27.35 | seanbright | add narrow minded to that |
| 03:27.39 | seanbright | so i can call you a hypocrite |
| 03:27.40 | jblack | I can use both. I can compare the differences. You only know vi. You can't. |
| 03:27.43 | seanbright | pleeeeeeeeeeeeease |
| 03:27.48 | jameswf-home | I like kate but thats in KDE in shell i use whatever is availible nano vi pico whatever... okay not emacs |
| 03:28.05 | drmessano | Again, taking a simple task and applying overly complicated processes to it, makes it nothing more than overly complicated |
| 03:28.06 | chaozer | seanbright, package handling .. as something that keeps track of what files belong to what package .. and let you update software easily and quickly.... and a big repository of software :) |
| 03:28.09 | jblack | pardon, you only know nano, so you can't make an informed comparison. |
| 03:28.17 | chaozer | seanbright, thats something windows is really falling behind on. |
| 03:28.24 | jblack | i'm done. |
| 03:29.29 | seanbright | chaozer: um, ok. |
| 03:29.37 | seanbright | i guess i do things differently... i need a piece of software and i download and install it |
| 03:29.41 | chaozer | seanbright, maybe MS will realize it needs something similiar .. some day ... |
| 03:29.43 | seanbright | if i no longer need it, i uninstall it |
| 03:29.52 | seanbright | gosh... how archaic this OS be! |
| 03:29.53 | chaozer | seanbright, yeah.. but you have to google for it for example |
| 03:29.56 | mchou | it's friday night, and yoiu guys are enagaed in a vim vs. nano flamefest? |
| 03:30.03 | mchou | you* |
| 03:30.03 | jblack | chaozer: They do have windows update.... |
| 03:30.05 | seanbright | chaozer: holy shit, really? i don't have that kind of energy! |
| 03:30.26 | drmessano | seanbright: Some people are busy accomplishing tasks, some are busy applying the most complicated methods to the task |
| 03:30.32 | chaozer | seanbright, i just select in and install ;).. and I can install 50 pieces of software in a jiffy .. and remove them all in a jiffy :) |
| 03:30.43 | mchou | you guys need other forms of "entertainment" :) |
| 03:31.01 | seanbright | chaozer: i'd like to see a legitimate use case for having to install and/or remove 50 pieces of software on a regular basis. |
| 03:31.11 | chaozer | seanbright, i dont like spending hours on the web to find my software ;) .. its even gone so far that if its not in the debian repository .. i dont bother installing it at all |
| 03:31.30 | jblack | seanbright: Would one be enough, or you want more than one? |
| 03:31.42 | jblack | I'm surprised you can't think of any. |
| 03:31.45 | seanbright | jblack: i'm kinda done with you if that's alright. |
| 03:31.49 | chaozer | seanbright, sometimes you atleast install 3-5 things at once ... |
| 03:31.54 | jblack | Sure. |
| 03:32.01 | seanbright | chaozer: like what? |
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| 03:32.20 | jameswf-home | ~bsd |
| 03:32.20 | jbot | BSD is a UNIX operating system. An asterisk port is currently availible if you feel you must, or a way to set your pc back 30 years, progress is overrated |
| 03:32.29 | drmessano | Sorry, While I may agree that Windows doesnt do a great job of install and uninstall (although MSI has been a big step forward), you cant honestly tell me that a lack of repos like linux distros have is somehow hindering it. In my opinion, repos are good for some core applications, but beyond that, they're full of out of date, badly packaged crap |
| 03:32.42 | chaozer | seanbright, like when installing a webbrowser with different plugins ? .. or installing some software with themes... or software with different plugins .. its all in there. |
| 03:32.48 | km2 | anyone know why when my polycom phones boot up and download sip.ld from the server, the ftp xferlog always says the transfer was 'i' (incomplete)? the phones boot fine... confused |
| 03:32.54 | chaozer | like with asterisk f.ex |
| 03:32.58 | drmessano | Like, installing Asterisk from a repo? WTF |
| 03:33.11 | chaozer | i just selected everything asterisk related I wanted ... and bam :) im done in about 10s. |
| 03:33.22 | seanbright | chaozer: i installed firefox from the .exe installer, i don't use plugins, and i don't use themes |
| 03:33.36 | seanbright | chaozer: i think we are two very different types of users |
| 03:33.38 | drmessano | Yeah, I want to install Asterisk 1.4.8 because my Greasy Grapefruit 5.07 repo includes it |
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| 03:33.45 | jblack | chaozer: I think they're kind of locked into their paradigm. Anything we make, you must either buy, or must already come with. They want machines standardized and identical. |
| 03:33.55 | chaozer | seanbright, you just dont see the advantage .. because you never used it :) |
| 03:33.56 | coppice | drmessano: example - to keep the adobe stuff up to date on my Linux machines I just add the adobe yum file to my setup. achieving regular updates on Windows is far more an app by app thing |
| 03:34.02 | seanbright | chaozer: i've never used it? |
| 03:34.07 | drmessano | Again, who the hell wants some 3 year old version of Asterisk from a repo? |
| 03:34.12 | jameswf-home | thinks packaged asterisk is like frozen fish... you dont know how bad it sucks till you have never frozen fresh fish killed to order mmmmmmmmmm |
| 03:34.30 | seanbright | chaozer: never used what? |
| 03:34.32 | drmessano | coppice: Adobe had an updater that works fine on windows |
| 03:34.32 | chaozer | seanbright, apparently not .. you would understand the advantage of it otherwhise.... |
| 03:34.37 | chaozer | seanbright, package handling. |
| 03:34.39 | jblack | coppize: Yeah, that annoys me. M$ should offer third party updates through windows update. |
| 03:35.03 | coppice | drmessano: sure, but its not a consistent app to app thing like the Linux packaging systems |
| 03:35.03 | jameswf-home | speaking of i need to bump my asterisk |
| 03:35.06 | drmessano | I completely disagree |
| 03:35.14 | seanbright | chaozer: i use yum for package management |
| 03:35.16 | drmessano | No one does a good job of 3rd party updates |
| 03:35.19 | jblack | sits back and watches this one |
| 03:35.32 | subdolus | gets popcorn and joins jblack |
| 03:35.34 | drmessano | hence Asterisk 1.4.6 sitting in some distros repo |
| 03:36.01 | jameswf-home | yum has gotten a bad rap from bad repo maintainers like those green guys |
| 03:36.13 | drmessano | "I just installed Distro X and Asterisk and I cant make X work, help?" "What version of Asterisk?" "The latest, 1.4.9" |
| 03:36.18 | seanbright | chaozer: i understand the benefits of package handling in terms of running a server OS |
| 03:36.27 | chaozer | seanbright, yum pretty much sucked when I tried it .. and the repo is way to small... |
| 03:36.28 | drmessano | I have only heard that 100 times in here |
| 03:36.49 | chaozer | seanbright, why would it only be an advantage for server machines ? |
| 03:36.51 | seanbright | chaozer: i don't run a web server or asterisk on my workstation however |
| 03:37.34 | seanbright | chaozer: because on my workstation i don't *need* package management |
| 03:37.35 | jblack | That is a point. PRojects that move faster than distro release windows tend to be crudified in the distro. |
| 03:37.36 | jameswf-home | ubuntu has 1.4.21.2~dfsg-1ubuntu2: amd64 i386 |
| 03:37.38 | seanbright | this is getting circular |
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| 03:37.59 | chaozer | seanbright, oh really .. and why do you need it on a server then ? |
| 03:38.10 | jblack | Running unstable works around that, but the idea of a zillion people all running unstable at once is kinda ... awkard. |
| 03:38.15 | drmessano | jblack: Indeed, but hey, if I want app_neverupdated, man, my repo is ALWAYS current |
| 03:38.24 | jameswf-home | pacman is really cool |
| 03:38.31 | seanbright | chaozer: i am going to answer that... and the response is going to sound like i'm trolling... but i'm not... |
| 03:38.44 | drmessano | There's unstable, and there's "dangerously outdated" |
| 03:38.52 | seanbright | chaozer: because that is the best the open source world has come up with yet? |
| 03:39.11 | jblack | Oh, that's usually not a problem. Most package based distros have security updates for released distros. |
| 03:39.20 | jameswf-home | ummm centos is running 2.6.18 ick |
| 03:39.29 | jblack | what you lose by pinning down to a distro is feature updates. |
| 03:39.33 | drmessano | Seriously, Asterisk 1.4 has made HUGE leaps in the last year. Someone says they're using the "latest" from their distro at 1.4.11, and they bitch about X, how can you take them seriously? |
| 03:39.36 | jblack | pardon, to a release. |
| 03:39.38 | chaozer | seanbright, im not following you. open source has nothing to do with it either. |
| 03:39.43 | jameswf-home | build your own your always as up to date as you wanna be |
| 03:39.49 | jblack | They're using an old release. It happens. |
| 03:40.19 | jameswf-home | our office shill has 1.2 and older working fine |
| 03:40.25 | jameswf-home | *still |
| 03:40.41 | jameswf-home | dont dick with it it dont break. |
| 03:40.50 | seanbright | chaozer: i am trying to figure out what your point is. not having "package management" as defined by the linux/bsd/<insert flavor here> is bad? |
| 03:40.52 | chaozer | drmessano, i use debian testing for example :) .. and i think i have 1.4.21 |
| 03:41.08 | jblack | I happen to know of a server out there that's still running 2.0.20, that just keeps chugging along. ) |
| 03:41.25 | chaozer | seanbright, im wondering why you think package handling is only usable for servers and not desktops ? |
| 03:41.31 | seanbright | chaozer: ... |
| 03:41.36 | seanbright | chaozer: *my* desktops |
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| 03:42.00 | chaozer | right |
| 03:42.03 | seanbright | right. |
| 03:42.16 | seanbright | package management is a requirement for you on your desktop OS |
| 03:42.26 | drmessano | jameswf-home: Sure, if you're happy with the performance of an app with known issues that have been LONG resolved.. If a newer version of something will cut down on CPU usage, increase scalability, just by virtue of being NEWER and less buggy, why stick with something old? That's like running Windows 95 on a P4.. it will run, but why? |
| 03:42.28 | jblack | If I hear "well capitalized" one more time, I'm gonna take a CDO and shove it up that analyst's butt until VIX comes out the ears. |
| 03:42.30 | seanbright | because your choice of desktop OS *dictates* package management |
| 03:42.37 | chaozer | seanbright, very much so yes, |
| 03:42.44 | chaozer | seanbright, and it saves me alot of time. |
| 03:42.48 | jblack | drmessano: it's about the devil you know, versus the devil ya don't. :| |
| 03:42.52 | seanbright | chaozer: well i am happy for you |
| 03:43.17 | chaozer | no need to hunt for new versions of everything like you have to do with windows.... unless the application has some built in update service :) |
| 03:43.20 | seanbright | chaozer: i do not use my desktop in a manner that requires me to download software with many dependencies at the same time |
| 03:43.41 | drmessano | chaozer: Sure sure, because repos are SOOOO up to date.. oh wait, no |
| 03:43.43 | chaozer | and you dont update your software either on a regular basis then |
| 03:43.54 | seanbright | chaozer: and if i want to install software that has dependencies, 99 out of 100 times, that software comes with it's dependencies |
| 03:44.05 | jblack | I can check unstable in ubuntu to see how far back * is |
| 03:44.25 | chaozer | drmessano, they are up-to-date if you use good repos yes.. for example debian testing or debian unstable. |
| 03:44.59 | chaozer | 1.4.21 in debian testing .. and debian testing I consider more or less stable :) |
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| 03:45.14 | chaozer | atleast my machine has never crashed. :) |
| 03:45.22 | drmessano | seanbright: That is good point.. I dont need to see that 115 dependencies were updated... Sure on windows it's Visual C, maybe .NET updates, etc, but in a 30MB cabinet it's done.. or I can do a 30MB yum update and see a bunch of leenix fly by.. Who cares.. |
| 03:45.24 | seanbright | chaozer: i update my software every opportunity i have. microsoft update gives me windows, driver, and office updates automatically. most of the other apps i have installed have built in update notification. |
| 03:45.27 | jblack | The version of * in interpid (which is imminently to release) is ... 1.4.21 |
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| 03:46.22 | drmessano | I really don't need to know that gnu_poo updated to 2.0.1.56.33, the DLL is in the installer, screw it |
| 03:46.32 | jblack | in debian sid, it's.. 1.4.21.2 |
| 03:46.34 | seanbright | drmessano: i think you make yum run quietly. |
| 03:46.53 | chaozer | drmessano, and who said you have to care about the dependencies ? you dont .. it just tells you have many packages its downloading .... could be useful if one fails ;) .. better redownload 10KB than resuming a 30MB file and risk corruption |
| 03:46.56 | seanbright | drmessano: the problem with yum update is sometimes you have to recompile/reinstall zaptel or DAHDI or whatever. |
| 03:46.57 | jblack | drmessano: You're aware that many package based systems allow you to pin different things to different releases, right? |
| 03:47.05 | drmessano | seanbright: Point being why do I need to have that sort of microscopic control over things I shouldn't waste my time processing anyway? |
| 03:47.07 | jblack | So you can have a stable base system, and pull * just from unstable. |
| 03:47.23 | seanbright | drmessano: you can have as little or as much detail as you want. |
| 03:47.34 | chaozer | drmessano, and you never have to care about any microscopic control in for example debian or ubuntu .. isnt it neat ? ;) |
| 03:47.40 | jblack | feels like he's in a discussion with a slackware user that thinks nano is cool. |
| 03:47.50 | seanbright | ugh. |
| 03:47.51 | drmessano | Yep yep.. |
| 03:47.52 | seanbright | exhausting. |
| 03:48.05 | jblack | chaozer: You elite bastard you. All them frumpy packing stuff, wasting your time! |
| 03:48.19 | chaozer | seanbright, fedora repos are kinda crappy really :) ... |
| 03:48.26 | seanbright | no, he's just running on an OS that mandates package management |
| 03:48.39 | terracon | I think the default editor in slackware is elvis (vi) |
| 03:48.41 | seanbright | chaozer: ok... they work ok for my needs. |
| 03:48.48 | seanbright | chaozer: i compile everything asterisk related from source. |
| 03:49.14 | *** join/#asterisk jeff_smoker (n=chatzill@ip70-162-238-155.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 03:49.22 | chaozer | seanbright, see .. ;) .. and I dont have to :) i allready have everything. .. zaptel .. hylafax.. iaxmodem asterisk .... and didnt have to compile anything :) |
| 03:49.39 | seanbright | chaozer: it's not about having to |
| 03:49.42 | seanbright | chaozer: i choose to |
| 03:49.56 | chaozer | well |
| 03:50.08 | chaozer | i already have the lastest * version |
| 03:50.12 | seanbright | heh |
| 03:50.15 | chaozer | and I dont want to update to a rc :) |
| 03:50.34 | chaozer | so atleast repos are up-to-date enough :) |
| 03:50.59 | *** join/#asterisk implicit (n=bayan@unaffiliated/implicit) |
| 03:51.09 | *** join/#asterisk jeff_smoker (n=the_test@ip70-162-238-155.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 03:51.13 | drmessano | Yeah, because pulling apps from a linux repo labeled as "unstable" isn't scary at all |
| 03:51.18 | drmessano | lol |
| 03:51.28 | chaozer | seanbright, a few years ago when I switched to linux there were alot of problems with package managmenet ;) .... |
| 03:51.44 | drmessano | and not now? lol *cough* |
| 03:52.01 | chaozer | seanbright, but nowdays it works extremely well :) |
| 03:52.02 | seanbright | chaozer: my experience with package management is the following 'yum install kernel-devel' and 'yum update' |
| 03:52.21 | seanbright | chaozer: i have no need or desire to use it otherwise |
| 03:52.28 | chaozer | even being able to do "yum update" is greay :) |
| 03:52.33 | chaozer | great |
| 03:52.39 | seanbright | yes it is |
| 03:52.50 | drmessano | seanbright: I always find it necessary to print a list of all yum updates and check the dependencies using Google |
| 03:53.00 | drmessano | Before I hit "Y" |
| 03:53.05 | chaozer | guess why windows users have such big problems with holes in software etc ;) ? |
| 03:53.08 | seanbright | chaozer: but if i had to go to a website and download a big ZIP file and extract that and then run ./update-everything.sh |
| 03:53.10 | RB2 | Yay! I got an outgoing call to work via broadvoice! :D |
| 03:53.12 | seanbright | chaozer: i would be fine with that too |
| 03:53.19 | chaozer | thats what you get when you run software that is not up to date. |
| 03:53.34 | drmessano | HA |
| 03:53.44 | jeff_smoker | Does anyone know of a good resource for hooking a gprs modem into asterisk? |
| 03:53.55 | drmessano | Windows users running out of date software.. Oh yeah, never gotten that from a current distro lol |
| 03:54.00 | jeff_smoker | Resource meaning tutorial, etc. |
| 03:54.45 | seanbright | chaozer: that is a pretty broad statement. linux has had it's security problems as well. |
| 03:54.48 | chaozer | distributions like ubuntu even force you to install security updates for example :) |
| 03:55.06 | seanbright | chaozer: and as i've said, windows updates takes care of updating the OS whenever an update is available. |
| 03:55.16 | chaozer | seanbright, yes but the magic is that everyone is updated very quickly :) .. be it a bug in the kernel or in some software. |
| 03:55.17 | RB2 | drmessano, in FreePBX for trunks, why is there a user context field and then a context property in the user details? |
| 03:55.19 | drmessano | Windows can force you as well |
| 03:55.31 | chaozer | seanbright, yes but all holes are not always in the OS itself |
| 03:55.53 | seanbright | chaozer: i'm not even sure what we are talking about anymore... |
| 03:55.59 | seanbright | chaozer: you heart linux, so do i |
| 03:56.02 | chaozer | seanbright, so how do you fix that without package managmenet ? you can't .. instead you run software with holes in them |
| 03:56.07 | seanbright | chaozer: you are not a windows fan, i use it on my desktop |
| 03:56.26 | seanbright | chaozer: you download an update |
| 03:56.28 | *** join/#asterisk GiantPickle (n=GiantPic@S01060016b600537f.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 03:56.31 | seanbright | chaozer: how is this not clear? |
| 03:56.36 | chaozer | drmessano, windows can't even know anything about that . |
| 03:56.49 | jameswf-home | how close is rc5 to r |
| 03:56.52 | drmessano | chaozer: Really, have you ever heard of windows updare? |
| 03:56.55 | drmessano | update* |
| 03:56.59 | seanbright | jameswf-home: asterisk? waiting on dahdi |
| 03:57.04 | chaozer | seanbright, so you have to surf the web and check for security updates for all applications you are runing ? yeah right |
| 03:57.13 | drmessano | chaozer: Has this little "ZOMG UPDATE NOW" thingo |
| 03:57.17 | jameswf-home | in 1.4.22 |
| 03:57.42 | seanbright | chaozer: no, as i said earlier, "microsoft update" updates all microsoft software. most of the other software has update functionality built in. |
| 03:57.47 | drmessano | chaozer: It's obvious you're not very knowledgeable of windows, so please, stop now |
| 03:58.12 | seanbright | jameswf-home: what about 1.4.22? |
| 03:58.19 | seanbright | jameswf-home: all asterisk releases are waiting on dahdi |
| 03:58.28 | jameswf-home | i knew windows pretty well up to two years ago when i stopped using it |
| 03:58.29 | chaozer | so when you install asterisk yo get security updates ? |
| 03:58.37 | seanbright | chaozer: install asterisk where? |
| 03:58.40 | chaozer | sounds strange |
| 03:58.52 | chaozer | from a or freepbx |
| 03:59.04 | jameswf-home | seanbright: 1.4.22 is rcf so I should be cool if i dont care about dahdi |
| 03:59.07 | chaozer | how about for example.... |
| 03:59.12 | jameswf-home | *RC5 |
| 03:59.24 | seanbright | jameswf-home: well... i know a couple more fixes have gone in since rc5 was tagger... |
| 03:59.26 | drmessano | chaozer: It's one thing to intelligently discuss the issues windows does have, but most of the FUD that comes from former or non-windows users if only laughable and shows that the extent of the knowledge from the bashing side seemed to have ended in 1996 |
| 03:59.30 | chaozer | http://www.asteriskwin32.com/ ? |
| 03:59.39 | seanbright | chaozer: i don't run asterisk on windows |
| 03:59.47 | chaozer | thats not the point |
| 03:59.51 | chaozer | its just an example |
| 03:59.52 | seanbright | sure it is |
| 03:59.54 | seanbright | no |
| 03:59.58 | drmessano | How is AsteriskWin32 a point? |
| 03:59.59 | seanbright | i am talking about *me* |
| 04:00.06 | seanbright | i am not talking about the general windows user |
| 04:00.09 | seanbright | i am talking about seanbright |
| 04:00.16 | seanbright | and i have been the entire time |
| 04:00.26 | chaozer | drmessano, my point is you wont get windows update to update your asterisk installation |
| 04:00.34 | jameswf-home | seanbright: russel said to try it and see if it correects the need for do not optimize on debian but the wife wont be happy if i break it since the work around did okay |
| 04:00.53 | seanbright | jameswf-home: this the GCC optimzation thing? |
| 04:00.55 | drmessano | AsteriskWin32 is a port thrown together by some yahoo and thrown on a site.. Much like if I made an app in linux and threw the tarball on my site.. how is that different? |
| 04:00.57 | drmessano | Its not |
| 04:00.59 | jameswf-home | yeah |
| 04:01.02 | drmessano | Youre just making crap up now |
| 04:01.08 | chaozer | drmessano, yes like 99% OF ALL SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS |
| 04:01.09 | km2 | anyone know about editing digitmaps in polycom config files? i'm getting frustrated that none of mine are "taking" (having any effect). i event went as far as downloading new firmware and config files from polycom, but still even the default digit maps aren't working. any ideas? |
| 04:01.09 | seanbright | jameswf-home: should be resolved |
| 04:01.14 | drmessano | chaozer: Not true |
| 04:01.16 | chaozer | drmessano, because THATS THE ONLY WAY to install stuff |
| 04:01.26 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:01.30 | chaozer | drmessano, because there is no repository |
| 04:01.37 | drmessano | Repos do not fix anything |
| 04:01.39 | seanbright | chaozer: ahhh... well i think those two statements tell me everything i need to know about you |
| 04:01.42 | drmessano | they create problems |
| 04:01.48 | drmessano | are out of date for the most part |
| 04:01.51 | chaozer | drmessano, so you are always risking to run software with alot of holes in them .. and/or old stuff |
| 04:01.53 | chaozer | period |
| 04:01.59 | drmessano | if you are security concious, you dont use repos |
| 04:02.04 | drmessano | You update the apps like a good admin |
| 04:02.14 | drmessano | Grab source or current tarball, update and save the day |
| 04:02.16 | seanbright | chaozer: it's all about the user, not about the OS |
| 04:02.17 | chaozer | drmessano, lol no |
| 04:02.21 | drmessano | Not wait for the repo to update |
| 04:02.22 | drmessano | Thats lame |
| 04:02.37 | seanbright | chaozer: there are linux users out there still running vulnerable installs of openssh |
| 04:02.38 | chaozer | drmessano, security updates are always commited QUCIKLY |
| 04:02.42 | seanbright | chaozer: package management or not |
| 04:02.50 | chaozer | drmessano, and you CANNOT keep track of all security holes in all apps yourself |
| 04:03.00 | drmessano | If I waited for a fix to a 0-day exploit in a repo, i would be sorry as hell |
| 04:03.00 | chaozer | drmessano, thats the most stupid thing I ever heard. |
| 04:03.05 | drmessano | May as well turn the firewall oof |
| 04:03.07 | drmessano | LOL |
| 04:03.11 | drmessano | Sure, sure |
| 04:03.33 | jameswf-home | security is a myth and is way over rated |
| 04:03.45 | chaozer | seanbright, ofcourse.... but how many more windows users in % are runing systems with alot of holes in them do you think ? ;) |
| 04:03.57 | lanning | na, security is an onion! |
| 04:04.10 | drmessano | Probably more linux systems out there with holes in them than windows due to misconfiguration |
| 04:04.15 | jameswf-home | I like to think of it as a parfait |
| 04:04.20 | drmessano | But LinuxOwns.com wont tell you that |
| 04:04.31 | chaozer | drmessano, thats bs |
| 04:04.34 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:04.43 | seanbright | chaozer: what is your point? windows users on average are not as technically savvy as linux users? i don't think it would take a rocket scientist to figure that out. |
| 04:04.45 | heedly | windows is insecure due to system flaws in code. |
| 04:04.47 | heedly | not user errors. |
| 04:04.51 | drmessano | I know.. Linux is secure just because it exists, windows sucks.. yeah yeah |
| 04:04.54 | drmessano | Sounds like a netadmin |
| 04:04.59 | chaozer | drmessano, why would a linux desktop be more misconfigured than windows ? |
| 04:05.05 | jameswf-home | rumor has it the only OS to never be hacked is netware |
| 04:05.07 | heedly | security is in the hands of the user. |
| 04:05.12 | seanbright | ok, i grow weary of this |
| 04:05.18 | chaozer | seanbright, thats not true anymore either |
| 04:05.19 | drmessano | I could install Redhat 4.0 right now be secure because Linux is so secure 4eva |
| 04:05.26 | seanbright | chaozer: answer this question |
| 04:05.30 | chaozer | seanbright, linux has 6% of the market now ;) |
| 04:05.34 | seanbright | chaozer: WHAT POINT ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE? |
| 04:05.40 | seanbright | chaozer: GET TO THE POINT |
| 04:05.58 | jameswf-home | I can say neither my former windoze boxen nor any of my current linux boxen were ever comprimised |
| 04:06.01 | chaozer | seanbright, i dont even know what we are discussing anymore.. like most discussions it got out of hand ;) |
| 04:06.05 | jameswf-home | knock on wood |
| 04:06.10 | seanbright | chaozer: neither do i |
| 04:06.24 | drmessano | He doesnt have one.. its the same FUD that I can get from Slashdot |
| 04:06.29 | seanbright | chaozer: you don't like windows and it's not secure... does that about sum it up? |
| 04:06.56 | chaozer | pretty much :) .. |
| 04:07.01 | seanbright | chaozer: great. |
| 04:07.03 | jameswf-home | I dont like windows but it was as secure as my linux because i made it so |
| 04:07.25 | chaozer | I think theres a reason why linux is slowly eating into microsoft market share overall :) |
| 04:07.30 | seanbright | ugh... |
| 04:07.36 | seanbright | apparently he is not done making his point |
| 04:07.39 | chaozer | lol :) |
| 04:07.50 | drmessano | Honestly, what most so-called expert non-windows users seem to know about windows is amazingly laughable, and probably why Windows systems admined by *nix admins are the most insecure boxes known to mankind, even trumping the "family computer" |
| 04:08.00 | jameswf-home | its like being stabbed to death with a butter knife |
| 04:08.05 | seanbright | it really is |
| 04:08.27 | chaozer | drmessano, its not like I never used windows ;) |
| 04:08.32 | drmessano | 2002? |
| 04:08.34 | drmessano | LOL |
| 04:08.43 | drmessano | you sound so knowledgable |
| 04:08.45 | drmessano | Really |
| 04:08.52 | drmessano | windows 95 is dead |
| 04:08.52 | chaozer | drmessano, 2002 as a full-time system :) .. but I used it since then ofcoure. |
| 04:09.00 | drmessano | Ah you sound like it |
| 04:09.04 | chaozer | actually it was XP |
| 04:09.11 | seanbright | ok, can we all move on now? |
| 04:09.23 | seanbright | maybe we can talk about religion or politics |
| 04:09.32 | seanbright | something less inflammatory |
| 04:09.40 | drmessano | I can't move on, I have 1254 more update I need to analyze from my repo before my IRC client will be usable again |
| 04:09.41 | drmessano | brb |
| 04:10.01 | jameswf-home | trixbocks 2.6.1.11 out how exciting |
| 04:10.03 | jameswf-home | :) |
| 04:10.59 | chaozer | im waiting for the stargate atlantis torrent ... so I dont have much to do right now anyway :) |
| 04:11.14 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:11.22 | chaozer | i have to have my stargate fix.. |
| 04:11.36 | drmessano | Trixbox 2.6.1.11 yay |
| 04:12.01 | chaozer | trixbox... |
| 04:12.14 | *** join/#asterisk timholum (n=chatzill@64-91-67-5.stat.centurytel.net) |
| 04:12.17 | chaozer | whats the advantages of it compared to vanilla * ? |
| 04:12.29 | seanbright | no one answer! |
| 04:12.29 | drmessano | It's more green for your datacenter |
| 04:12.30 | seanbright | it's a trap |
| 04:12.43 | jblack | You get a VIP ticket to hell. |
| 04:12.52 | drmessano | If you're going green, it's a necessity |
| 04:12.52 | chaozer | lol |
| 04:12.56 | timholum | hello, I am wondering if there are any phones that can be configured with dhcp? |
| 04:13.01 | jameswf-home | How secure is linux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gRWD2g245U |
| 04:13.06 | jblack | Every time trixbox gets installed, a little baby asphixiates |
| 04:13.18 | seanbright | timholum: what kind of phones? sip phones? |
| 04:13.26 | timholum | sip phone |
| 04:13.34 | chaozer | ok i wont bother with it then :) |
| 04:13.35 | seanbright | timholum: and you mean provisioned via DHCP? |
| 04:13.38 | timholum | or any voip phone that works with asterisk :) |
| 04:13.47 | seanbright | timholum: or just get-an-ip-address-via dhcp? |
| 04:14.01 | jblack | * on trixbox runs as root? |
| 04:14.09 | jameswf-home | wow so i have to decide if the baby lives or dies... is it a crack baby? |
| 04:14.12 | drmessano | Uh no |
| 04:14.44 | chaozer | jameswf-home, damn |
| 04:14.54 | timholum | I would like a phone that I take it out of the box and plug it in, and it works with no configuration on the phoneside just the server |
| 04:15.09 | jameswf-home | jblack: asterisk asterisk user can sudo |
| 04:15.10 | seanbright | timholum: you aren't going to find that |
| 04:15.25 | drmessano | Umm |
| 04:15.27 | drmessano | I can do that |
| 04:15.29 | jblack | Not on _my_ systems. :) |
| 04:15.41 | chaozer | not on mine either |
| 04:15.47 | jameswf-home | go to the cli in console 8 no login and !rm -rf / |
| 04:15.48 | seanbright | timholum: at minimum you'd need to put the provisioning server address into the phone |
| 04:15.49 | chaozer | that would be scary |
| 04:15.58 | drmessano | I use TFTP provisioning and can open a new Linksys SPA941 right now and auto provision |
| 04:16.01 | jblack | here we go... http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/6026 |
| 04:16.07 | drmessano | seanbright: WHAT? |
| 04:16.38 | drmessano | A lot of phones look for /someconfig.xml on the root of the DHCP defined TFTP server |
| 04:16.43 | RB2 | timholum, at least with the Polycom phones, you can use DHCP to tell the phone where the boot server is. Not sure about other brands. |
| 04:16.46 | drmessano | and you step from there |
| 04:17.30 | drmessano | On the linksys phones, I can push a /default.xml that points to http://server/config$mac.xml |
| 04:17.43 | drmessano | and literally unbox and provision |
| 04:17.44 | chaozer | why on earth can the trixbox user sudo ? |
| 04:17.50 | chaozer | thats really scary ;) |
| 04:17.55 | *** join/#asterisk [TK]D-Fender (n=chatzill@64.235.218.194) |
| 04:18.14 | jblack | So, php exploit, running as asterisk user, escalating with sudo, then opening a socket to make a shell easy. |
| 04:18.19 | seanbright | timholum: sorry about that, apparently you don't need to put a provisioning server address into the phone. |
| 04:18.21 | jameswf-home | the downside to a web gui |
| 04:18.31 | frogonwheels | I have a point of confusion about exten=s, - why don't the lines get executed if you put a call into that context? |
| 04:18.49 | frogonwheels | .. ie having to use _X. |
| 04:18.51 | timholum | awsome i will check them out |
| 04:19.02 | drmessano | timholum: Just using that as an example |
| 04:19.14 | jameswf-home | frogonwheels: goto context,s,1 |
| 04:19.15 | drmessano | timholum: Its not just the linksys phones, but one example |
| 04:19.26 | timholum | ok |
| 04:19.40 | chaozer | aaargh where is stargate atlantis ... didnt it air over there already ? |
| 04:19.52 | drmessano | Someone like [TK]D-Fender could tell you what the polycoms look for as default |
| 04:20.21 | frogonwheels | jameswf-home: ok - I worked that out - that'll do :) |
| 04:20.26 | seanbright | or polycom.com documentation |
| 04:20.48 | drmessano | I cant read :( |
| 04:20.55 | seanbright | sorry to hear that. |
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| 04:21.13 | jameswf-home | i need to change my gain tune from playback to record/playback this weekend... |
| 04:21.16 | drmessano | I am going to punch a friend of mine in the face |
| 04:21.22 | drmessano | No, the throat |
| 04:21.29 | seanbright | wanders off |
| 04:21.34 | jblack | polycoms, for provisioning? |
| 04:22.27 | drmessano | jblack: what does a factory new (or reset) polycom look for, provisioning-wise, from the DHCP defined TFTP server? |
| 04:22.48 | jblack | I believe it's the same for tftp and http. I'm detangling it for http now. |
| 04:23.15 | jblack | I believe it's ${MAC}.cfg |
| 04:23.20 | drmessano | Ok |
| 04:23.21 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: default is FTP, but stock it doesn't look for Opt66, you have to pick it in the BR |
| 04:23.32 | drmessano | ick |
| 04:23.33 | jblack | Which in turn usually loads up a pile of other config scripts. |
| 04:23.35 | jameswf-home | one of these days i will write an app that allows you to program asterisk like a keysystem..... write a 1500 page manual...... |
| 04:23.41 | drmessano | But you can't push that via DHCP |
| 04:23.42 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: and its starts off <MAC>.cfg to see the list of cfg's its supposed to take. |
| 04:23.46 | chaozer | btw if anyone ever wants a cordless SIP phone I can recommend siemens S685IP .... it even supports MWI properly and everything :) ... |
| 04:23.48 | drmessano | So you cant unbox a polycom and make it work? |
| 04:23.50 | jblack | Probably does 000000000.cfg as well. |
| 04:23.59 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: go get your firmware pack and it will come with base provisioning files |
| 04:24.05 | jblack | Sure you can. I think it loads 00000000.cfg as well. |
| 04:24.11 | [TK]D-Fender | 00000000.cfg is to be avoided at all costs |
| 04:24.16 | drmessano | From where, if TFTP doesnt work? |
| 04:24.22 | jblack | Automagic is generally a bad idea. |
| 04:24.30 | jblack | On http, it looks on the root directory. |
| 04:24.49 | drmessano | Um ok |
| 04:25.18 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano: upon unboxing, prep the provisioning files, power up the phone, go into the BR immediately, set the provisioning server selection method and address, or hard-code them. |
| 04:25.23 | jblack | Well, actually, it's dependant upon where you set boot-server to. |
| 04:25.24 | drmessano | So better to touch each phone and point it manually to a location than to let DHCP hand out a TFTP server and have it grab and go? lol |
| 04:25.26 | jblack | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.27 | *** join/#asterisk bradleyprice86 (n=Bradley@adsl-159-162-36.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:25.34 | frogonwheels | ok- 'nother noob q : found an example of a 'remember last 10 incoming #s' script - and it has a bunch of code to push the numbers onto a stack in astdb.. |
| 04:25.42 | drmessano | Thats nuts |
| 04:25.52 | jblack | Better is to grab the mac off the back of the phone, hack up the config file on the web server, then plug in the phone. |
| 04:26.10 | drmessano | But you cant just "plug it in" if you have to DEFINE it |
| 04:26.20 | jblack | I did about 30 phones in an hour thanks to one of those overcomplicated text editors. |
| 04:26.23 | frogonwheels | is it possible to put that code in a sep context, and branch to it as a subroutine(or macro?), and continue from the parent context? |
| 04:26.30 | jblack | You don't have to. It's just bad karma not to. |
| 04:26.32 | frogonwheels | all I'm after is a keyword/app to hunt up. |
| 04:27.02 | drmessano | jblack: so where does the factory new Polycom look for its config from if Option 66 is ignored? |
| 04:27.05 | jameswf-home | ~book |
| 04:27.06 | jbot | book is probably Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com or see ~buybook |
| 04:27.19 | jblack | polycoms don't ignore it. dhcpd doesn't ignore it. |
| 04:27.40 | drmessano | [00:23] <[TK]D-Fender> drmessano: default is FTP, but stock it doesn't look for Opt66, you have to pick it in the BR |
| 04:27.58 | jblack | The phones I provisioned a few months ago looked for it with no problem. |
| 04:28.07 | drmessano | Ok, thats unsucky then |
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| 04:28.35 | RB2 | I uploaded a new Music on Hold file and when it finished uploading, it went back to the main FreePBX screen and there's no file there. hehe |
| 04:28.36 | chaozer | that book rocks... |
| 04:28.44 | drmessano | I should be able to clone some XMLs, modify, name for each MAC, load them on TFTP and start plugging phones in.. |
| 04:28.44 | chaozer | i just love how it starts ;) |
| 04:28.56 | jblack | There's a midsized admin manual that covers the provisoning. I don't have the book handy. |
| 04:29.01 | chaozer | "Once upon a time, there was a boy...with a computer...and a phone.This simple beginning began much trouble!" |
| 04:29.14 | drmessano | If I have to "touch" a phone, it becomes more pointless |
| 04:29.27 | drmessano | By touch, I mean, change anything |
| 04:29.41 | jblack | You can set things up to not touch anything, if you forgo authentication, and are willing to loose some identity control over the phones. |
| 04:31.13 | jblack | which you can reestablish in different, more complicated ways. |
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| 04:32.00 | drmessano | [Digg] Wine 1.1.5 Released <--- 27 years to get to 1.0, now they're gonna hit version 5.5.2 in 8 months |
| 04:32.13 | drmessano | They've been holding back |
| 04:32.26 | jblack | Nah. They'll be up to 1.98 quickly, then take 12 years to get to 2. |
| 04:32.34 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 04:32.43 | drmessano | 1.99 |
| 04:32.54 | drmessano | Then the whole 1.9.9.25.28.182 |
| 04:32.56 | jblack | drmessano: Before you go "I don't want to touch the phone"... does that include * config, provisioning files, etc? |
| 04:33.40 | drmessano | No, I want to set up Asterisk, set up the provisioning files (as I said above) from the MAC i just read off the new phone, plug it in and forget it exists |
| 04:33.52 | jblack | Oh, in that case, yeah. That works right out of the box. |
| 04:34.06 | drmessano | I dont want to have to add ANYTHING to the config ON the phone |
| 04:34.13 | drmessano | I dont want to "touch" it |
| 04:34.27 | drmessano | Grab the MAC, plug it in.. never see it again |
| 04:34.35 | jblack | Then you're using tftp. http is not the default. |
| 04:34.49 | drmessano | well, you can get around that |
| 04:34.50 | jblack | well, never mind. boot-server. |
| 04:35.04 | jblack | Yeah. THey work fine right out of the box with http, for me at least. |
| 04:35.19 | drmessano | TFTP with a stub to point to enable HTTP and point to the real config |
| 04:35.33 | jblack | I had my monkey read off the macs, ran a script I wrote to generate all the config files, and I listened happily as the monkey banked his head on the desk pluggin in cables. =) |
| 04:35.40 | jblack | I used dhcp->http |
| 04:35.43 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:36.31 | jblack | He's a smart guy, but young. He's even learning vim. :P |
| 04:36.33 | drmessano | I use TFTP to send a config with the http server address and refresh of 5 seconds in it.. Phone boots, grabs the config, goes "oh snap", grabs the HTTP config, and reboots configured |
| 04:37.04 | drmessano | I even do that with PAP2s :) |
| 04:37.07 | jblack | If you want. You've already got a dhcp server, may as well have dhcp tell the phone where it's thinkin is. |
| 04:38.09 | drmessano | Now.. |
| 04:38.24 | jblack | Speaking of which, he's starting to catch on how easy editing config files are. Before too long, he's gonna start doing stuff without help. |
| 04:38.27 | drmessano | I just need the whole internet to point to my external TFTP server |
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| 04:38.55 | drmessano | So I can /config.xml on a new device from somewhere far off and get configged out of the box :) |
| 04:39.33 | jblack | yup. get someone to read off the macs, put them into a list, and make a vim^W nano macro to make all the config files. |
| 04:39.48 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:40.16 | drmessano | skype^W asterisk? |
| 04:40.35 | jblack | asterisk^Wmagicjack |
| 04:40.43 | drmessano | Damn skinny |
| 04:40.57 | jblack | "You see, what they did is, they took the jack out of the wall... and put it on your COMPUTER!!" |
| 04:41.05 | drmessano | rm -Rf and load Vista, i'm going MJ, bitches |
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| 04:42.32 | drmessano | I was at the Shelby, NC hamfest last month.. they had a new product there... |
| 04:42.43 | jblack | I can't wait till someone reverses' one of those things and they work with *. |
| 04:42.46 | drmessano | backtracking.. |
| 04:42.48 | jblack | Oh? |
| 04:43.36 | drmessano | Theres a standard hams are using for their "transition" to digital which is based on the P25 digital standard for public safety, uses a closed source codec |
| 04:43.42 | drmessano | Well |
| 04:44.13 | coppice | IMBE? |
| 04:44.26 | jblack | I would think hams would be big on free software/standards |
| 04:44.35 | drmessano | Someone created a device that is basically the proprietary codec chip on a USB dongle that you plug in to a PC as an external transcoder so you can use a desktop application for communicating over it |
| 04:44.43 | drmessano | jblack: Me too, which was very LAME |
| 04:45.09 | drmessano | Kinda reminded me of some MJ/Skype crap |
| 04:45.13 | jblack | so now, you get a nasty workaround until some patent expires. |
| 04:45.24 | drmessano | AMBE |
| 04:45.30 | jblack | Oh MJ = magicjack. I thought you meant michael jackson |
| 04:45.34 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:46.06 | jblack | gah! for the second time in 20 minutes, they're doing MJ on bloomberg. |
| 04:46.08 | coppice | there is a whole family of these ?MBEs. They give pretty good results at very low bit rates |
| 04:46.20 | drmessano | So you can access the digital repeaters over the internet since the controllers are all about internet linking and whatnot, still need the dongle |
| 04:46.47 | jblack | are the bit rates humane at least? |
| 04:47.07 | drmessano | coppice: My issue was adopting it as a standard for amateur radio.. Further putting the nail on the coffin of those that tinker or are more than appliance operators |
| 04:47.13 | drmessano | Yes |
| 04:47.17 | coppice | what's an inhumane bit rate? |
| 04:47.23 | drmessano | Its a good codec.. not crap |
| 04:47.40 | drmessano | I've not heard any complaints about its quality |
| 04:47.49 | coppice | drmessano: I know, but what free option gets to really low bit rates with intelligibility? |
| 04:47.50 | drmessano | Just the background of it |
| 04:47.57 | jblack | coppice... oh say... 9600 or less. |
| 04:48.17 | coppice | the public services use about 4kbps |
| 04:48.19 | drmessano | coppice: Point made.. but you of all people should appreciate the gripe :) |
| 04:48.50 | coppice | yes, I appreciate the effort and skills needed to develop a usable 4kbps codec |
| 04:49.24 | coppice | I don't think you'd use AMBE at rates as high as 9k. other things do a better job |
| 04:49.41 | jblack | Some day, I'm going to have a place 40 miles from nowhere, and somehow have to shoot a signal into a town to get a good pipe. |
| 04:51.38 | jblack | Then I'm gonna get a telescope so that I can watch people, and grow a really long beard. |
| 04:52.20 | jblack | And I want a donkey, too. |
| 04:52.46 | drmessano | Donkey would be awesome |
| 04:52.58 | drmessano | I would name it pete |
| 04:53.05 | drmessano | and yell at it all the time |
| 04:53.37 | jblack | Yeah. Kick it on the rump all the time. |
| 04:53.37 | drmessano | But let it roam the house freely |
| 04:54.00 | drmessano | So I could have stupidly justifiable reasons to yell at it |
| 04:54.01 | jblack | Would you sit your ass down at the kitchen table? |
| 04:54.10 | drmessano | "Pete, do NOT eat my clothes" |
| 04:54.19 | drmessano | "Pete, did you pee here?" |
| 04:54.24 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:54.34 | jblack | Well, maybe I'm biased, but I'd rather cope with a jackass, then all the jackasses I deal with today. |
| 04:54.55 | jblack | Nah. Just good bandwidth, a telescope... |
| 04:55.03 | drmessano | So you're saying that a donkey is a good IRC replacement? |
| 04:55.04 | jblack | Oh, and one of those green lasers that can catch shit on fire. |
| 04:55.39 | jblack | Oh, hell no! that's what the bandwidth would be for. No. the jackasses I'm talking about are the ones I actually have to physically see. |
| 04:55.44 | drmessano | The laser would be cool.. A flamethrower would be better.. I could spend all day saturday scorching rocks |
| 04:56.08 | jblack | well, I'm thinking with the laser, I could maybe get enough range to catch shit on fire, and nobody would ever figure out how it was happening. |
| 04:56.41 | drmessano | does a /clear .. not going to testify |
| 04:57.22 | jblack | What? Innocent stuff! see someone setting up a charcoal file, they go in, and light it for 'em before they come out. |
| 04:57.48 | jblack | I'd never pop the tires on the sheriff's car. :) |
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| 04:58.24 | drmessano | Thats what they all say... pretty soon, crazy long beard man swears god told them his neighbor wanted their house set on fire.... then the phone calls start... |
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| 04:58.43 | jblack | well, I could just blame the donkey... |
| 04:59.18 | drmessano | and you'll be wandering around the A&P mumbling about Fred Flintstone and talking oranges |
| 04:59.36 | drmessano | yelling at them to stop laughing |
| 04:59.38 | jblack | Someone has to do it. |
| 04:59.39 | drmessano | DONT LAUGH AT ME |
| 04:59.46 | drmessano | UR AN ORANGE |
| 04:59.52 | drmessano | U DONT KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE |
| 04:59.57 | drmessano | settles |
| 05:00.03 | jblack | I'm gonna try that the next time I'm at walmart with the kid. |
| 05:00.09 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:00.11 | jblack | Get into a fight with a pineapple. |
| 05:00.17 | drmessano | HAHAHHA!! |
| 05:00.46 | jblack | Wouldn't hurt my rep any.... anyone within 3 houses of me goes inside whenever I'm about. |
| 05:01.49 | drmessano | What you need is something you can take a bite out of to shut it up |
| 05:02.17 | drmessano | Argue with it, grab it, take a huge bite out of it in anger and put it down, satisfied you shut it up |
| 05:03.28 | drmessano | If you were hardcore enough to bite a pineapple like that, I would vote for it on YouTube |
| 05:03.32 | drmessano | Id even pay your bail |
| 05:03.47 | CrazyTux[m] | I just jumped in, and very confused on the current discussion :P |
| 05:04.56 | drmessano | We're discussing the pros and cons of a crossENUMeration dundi HA VM clustering solution for inbound/outbound QoS assurance |
| 05:05.01 | drmessano | Feel free to jump in.. |
| 05:05.17 | jblack | Except the college kids across the way. They think they're invulnerable. |
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| 05:05.39 | drmessano | jblack: Easily solved |
| 05:05.39 | jblack | I think I have their numbers. I'm planning a trip to sams to buy an industrialized bottle of lotion. |
| 05:06.01 | jblack | Then the next time they party, I'll go over to the hot chicks there shouting "IT PUTS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN!!" |
| 05:06.05 | drmessano | jblack: Get some condoms from the health department, poke tiny holes in them, wait 3 months |
| 05:06.10 | drmessano | They'll grow up |
| 05:06.33 | jblack | I'm not sure they'd take condoms from the wacko across the street. |
| 05:06.38 | drmessano | Leave the box on the doorstep.. too stupid to question |
| 05:06.42 | jblack | Though they are jocks.... |
| 05:06.50 | jblack | yeah, probably think a friend left them. |
| 05:07.00 | km2 | anyone know if it's possible to get a polycom phone (501) to automatically dial a call if the user enters a pattern of digits while in the idle state? i know this is possible once a user selects a dial and gets a dial tone, but i'd like to work even without a dial tone |
| 05:07.16 | km2 | e.g. user enters "411" and the phone begins to dial |
| 05:07.18 | jblack | km2: I don't. |
| 05:07.28 | drmessano | jblack: with any luck, they'll be in the mood to pwn an ugly chick the first time they use them :) |
| 05:07.34 | jblack | Not without picking up the handset, or ressing the line button, or pressing dial. |
| 05:07.44 | jblack | No girls over there are ugly. |
| 05:07.52 | jblack | Every single one of them is hot. |
| 05:08.15 | km2 | jblack, thanks, this is almost maddening because my users swear they saw a polycom phone do this at another office |
| 05:08.32 | jblack | km2: It may be possible, and I just not know how. |
| 05:08.43 | km2 | nod |
| 05:09.19 | jblack | Woot is selling 500GB hard drives for $50 |
| 05:12.32 | TrentCreek | Woot! |
| 05:12.40 | TrentCreek | How about 1TB? |
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| 05:20.55 | jeff_smoker | Does anyone here use a SIM card and GPRS modem with their PBX instead of a SIP gateway? |
| 05:21.03 | jeff_smoker | Can that be done? |
| 05:22.17 | lanning | pass audio out your RS232 port? |
| 05:22.51 | jeff_smoker | lanning: Are you talking to me? |
| 05:22.56 | lanning | ya |
| 05:23.17 | jeff_smoker | lanning: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 05:23.38 | lanning | you would need an audio connection to the GPRS modem |
| 05:23.52 | jeff_smoker | lanning: I see. |
| 05:23.52 | lanning | none that I know of pass audio |
| 05:24.07 | jeff_smoker | You can't just pull voice data off the card? |
| 05:24.10 | lanning | they are all for sending/receiving SMS and data |
| 05:24.51 | lanning | they are usually implemented as an async serial card, not a sync ISDN or PRI. |
| 05:24.54 | jeff_smoker | lanning: What about connecting a mobile phone to the box with a USB cable? |
| 05:26.02 | lanning | you would need an adapter that would allow back to back USB audio. The phones are looking for a USB audio device (headset). so probably not. |
| 05:26.45 | lanning | otherwise, it looks like an RS232 over USB (async serial) |
| 05:27.22 | jeff_smoker | Hmm. You've never heard of anything like that before? |
| 05:27.30 | lanning | no |
| 05:27.33 | drmessano | Hang on |
| 05:27.47 | drmessano | You can use chan_mobile |
| 05:27.52 | drmessano | With bluetooth |
| 05:28.19 | drmessano | Not hard to set up at all |
| 05:28.47 | jeff_smoker | drmessano: Oh really? |
| 05:28.52 | drmessano | Yes |
| 05:28.53 | lanning | oh ya, forgot about bluetooth. |
| 05:29.15 | lanning | Though I was thinking of a more reliable connection |
| 05:29.30 | drmessano | and hacking something together? |
| 05:29.35 | jeff_smoker | drmessano: Would Bluetooth represent security risks? |
| 05:29.40 | drmessano | Where chan_mobile is native to asterisk |
| 05:30.17 | drmessano | jeff_smoker: i'm not getting to that discussion.. that's the tip of a 3 hour waste of time argument waiting to happen |
| 05:30.26 | lanning | just don't put a WiFi transmitter next to it. :) |
| 05:30.28 | drmessano | Chan_mobile works for doing what you asked |
| 05:30.49 | drmessano | I've had no Wifi problems with bluetooth here |
| 05:31.13 | jeff_smoker | drmessano: Absolutely awesome info. Thanks. How's the reliability been? |
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| 05:31.35 | lanning | I have been blasted off the air by a coworker doing a WiFi file transfer. |
| 05:32.03 | jeff_smoker | lanning: Very interesting. |
| 05:32.17 | drmessano | jeff_smoker: Cheap dongles were shitty.. I got some inexpensive ones from Ebay that work great at 150 feet or so, even though, ideally, you want the phone near the PBX |
| 05:32.42 | drmessano | I have left my phone in my truck before after work, and had it ring into the PBX here at home |
| 05:32.54 | drmessano | That's 125 feet or so |
| 05:33.08 | drmessano | Reminded me I left it outside lol |
| 05:33.31 | jeff_smoker | drmessano: Its seems strange to me that you can use bluetooth but not a secure data cable connection...what gives |
| 05:33.34 | jeff_smoker | ? |
| 05:34.07 | jeff_smoker | drmessano: What dongle did you get off ebay? |
| 05:34.17 | drmessano | because interfacing asterisk to the bluetooth stack was a hell of a lot easier than creating shitty interfaces for every phone known to man? |
| 05:34.37 | jeff_smoker | drmessano: makes sense. |
| 05:35.11 | drmessano | Look for EDR Bluetooth |
| 05:36.06 | drmessano | I bought a dozen of them for PC's, printers, spares for the car, in the laptop bag, etc |
| 05:36.09 | drmessano | Work well |
| 05:36.10 | jeff_smoker | drmessano + Lanning : I suppose you could try to sequester the signal in some kind of faraday cage? Does that make sense |
| 05:36.26 | drmessano | yes and no |
| 05:36.31 | drmessano | Not necessary |
| 05:36.41 | TrentCreek | drmessano: Correct, but Bluetooth is NOT Wifi |
| 05:36.57 | drmessano | Ok, and? |
| 05:37.53 | TrentCreek | so of course you never had Wifi problems with bluetooth |
| 05:38.13 | drmessano | I've never had problems with them fucking interfering |
| 05:38.15 | jeff_smoker | trentcreek: lanning said taht |
| 05:38.26 | jeff_smoker | that |
| 05:38.29 | mchou | lol |
| 05:38.34 | jeff_smoker | drmessano: not drmessano |
| 05:38.35 | mchou | who's on first? |
| 05:39.05 | TrentCreek | "[00:30:49] <drmessano> I've had no Wifi problems with bluetooth here" |
| 05:39.13 | mchou | lol |
| 05:39.18 | drmessano | [01:31] <lanning> I have been blasted off the air by a coworker doing a WiFi file transfer. |
| 05:39.20 | drmessano | dumbass |
| 05:39.29 | drmessano | scroll up 3 more lines |
| 05:39.36 | TrentCreek | lol |
| 05:39.51 | mchou | TrentCreek: lol?? You think? |
| 05:40.00 | TrentCreek | yeah |
| 05:40.17 | TrentCreek | I've never has USB problems wit Firewire |
| 05:40.27 | drmessano | wow |
| 05:40.38 | mchou | wtf??? |
| 05:40.43 | drmessano | Youre a real idiot |
| 05:40.58 | jeff_smoker | how are you limited in call volume if you're using a mobile phone to PBX rather than a SIP gateway? |
| 05:41.00 | TrentCreek | lol |
| 05:41.19 | jeff_smoker | Does anyone know about this? |
| 05:41.20 | drmessano | lanning was saying he's had problem with Wifi interfering with Bluetooth.. THEY OCCUPY THE SAME SPECTRUM |
| 05:41.24 | drmessano | I was commenting I had not |
| 05:41.31 | jeff_smoker | Who cares. |
| 05:41.33 | drmessano | Seriosuly, TrentCreek |
| 05:41.51 | mchou | TrentCreek: go get drunk someplace else |
| 05:41.59 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:42.35 | drmessano | [01:37] <TrentCreek> drmessano: Correct, but Bluetooth is NOT Wifi <--- and IRC is no substitute for a good education |
| 05:42.50 | TrentCreek | Bluetooth devices use Frequency Hopping and most WLANs use Direct Sequence Spreading techniques they each appear as background noise to the other and should not cause any perceivable performance issues. |
| 05:43.04 | drmessano | TrentCreek: Indeed |
| 05:43.13 | drmessano | TrentCreek: Google is your friend |
| 05:43.46 | TrentCreek | who? |
| 05:43.47 | drmessano | TrentCreek: Your attempt and trying to show us you know more than we do has gone horribly wrong |
| 05:43.51 | drmessano | TrentCreek: FAIL |
| 05:43.55 | drmessano | at* |
| 05:44.04 | drmessano | Failburger |
| 05:44.14 | drmessano | Failburger w/ or w/out fries |
| 05:44.17 | lanning | In my case the issue was the noise floor increased too much. (it might just be that my bluetooth headset was way more sensitive to it) |
| 05:44.35 | TrentCreek | I have not had any floppy problems with my hard driver |
| 05:44.36 | mchou | drmessano: you are making me HUNGRY :( |
| 05:44.43 | drmessano | lanning: TrentCreek said it's the flix capacitance |
| 05:44.53 | lanning | heh |
| 05:45.00 | jeff_smoker | Why pay for the comedy club? |
| 05:45.20 | TrentCreek | yeah you got Digital Research Messano |
| 05:45.51 | drmessano | Much better than "Up The Google Creek Without A Paddle Trent" |
| 05:46.12 | drmessano | Bluetooth is NOT Wifi <-- remember that kids |
| 05:46.20 | jeff_smoker | But seriously - what about mobile phone volumes. Does anyone know if you'll hit bottlenecks running your inbound mobile phone calls to a pbx? |
| 05:46.32 | drmessano | Bottlenecks? |
| 05:46.43 | jeff_smoker | I mean, lets say you have 3,4,5 calls at the same time |
| 05:46.48 | drmessano | you get one simultaneous call |
| 05:46.53 | drmessano | Its a cell phone |
| 05:47.13 | drmessano | You cant add mod_unicorn to make it handle 5 calls at a time |
| 05:47.24 | drmessano | 5 phones, 5 dongles, 5 calls |
| 05:47.44 | drmessano | No bottleneck if youre using 5 devices |
| 05:47.59 | jeff_smoker | yeah, but the whole point is to save on cost |
| 05:48.05 | jeff_smoker | use one carrier line |
| 05:48.11 | drmessano | One line, one call |
| 05:48.28 | jeff_smoker | are you sure? |
| 05:48.41 | lanning | LOL |
| 05:48.41 | drmessano | Does your cellphone handle 3 calls at a time normally? |
| 05:48.48 | drmessano | How can you make it do MORE than ONE call? |
| 05:48.51 | drmessano | Seriously |
| 05:49.05 | drmessano | TrentCreek: Please give jeff_smoker that google link |
| 05:49.11 | drmessano | ;) |
| 05:49.13 | mchou | haha |
| 05:49.22 | TrentCreek | http://www.google.com |
| 05:49.26 | drmessano | TYVFM |
| 05:49.38 | drmessano | in the words of [TK]D-Fender |
| 05:49.42 | drmessano | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 05:49.56 | drmessano | No |
| 05:50.01 | drmessano | ^^^^^ SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS |
| 05:50.21 | drmessano | Yeah, your cell phone is unitasker |
| 05:50.51 | drmessano | Adding some magic asterisk addon wont make it handle multiple calls |
| 05:51.00 | mchou | no call waiting on cell phones |
| 05:51.06 | drmessano | YES! |
| 05:51.15 | mchou | straight to voicemail :) |
| 05:51.16 | drmessano | So you need to keep flashing |
| 05:51.21 | lanning | you can send SMS while on a call, but one audio channel. |
| 05:51.30 | drmessano | Hang on |
| 05:51.31 | drmessano | wait |
| 05:51.33 | drmessano | Tiem share |
| 05:51.35 | drmessano | Time* |
| 05:51.41 | drmessano | You use Call Waiting |
| 05:51.51 | lanning | TDM via flashing? |
| 05:51.52 | drmessano | Let each party talk for 45 seconds |
| 05:52.09 | drmessano | Then flip the call waiting and where the call is directed |
| 05:52.18 | drmessano | Call1 ---> 102 |
| 05:52.23 | drmessano | 45 seconds later |
| 05:52.25 | drmessano | Click |
| 05:52.30 | drmessano | Call2 ---> 103 |
| 05:52.35 | *** join/#asterisk obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) |
| 05:54.13 | drmessano | Theres the man you need to talk to.. |
| 05:54.17 | lanning | though, conference calls can be easy :) |
| 05:54.30 | drmessano | obnauticus told me he once talked to 11 bitches at once on his cell phone |
| 05:54.40 | drmessano | Isnt that right, O man? |
| 05:54.59 | drmessano | He had a "Ho Virtual PRI" |
| 05:55.14 | lanning | or a litter |
| 05:55.18 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:55.31 | drmessano | A litter of Ho's |
| 05:55.32 | TrentCreek | damn, dawg! fo sho |
| 05:55.34 | drmessano | I like that |
| 05:55.50 | *** join/#asterisk the_5th_wheel (n=edd@webster.cybertek.co.za) |
| 05:56.20 | the_5th_wheel | is it safe to rely on the value answered time gives you for a call? |
| 05:56.48 | drmessano | Is your time set to some day in the middle of February 1977? |
| 05:57.24 | TrentCreek | I guess drmessano is a newb |
| 05:57.50 | TrentCreek | I have gotten different times on calls...My time and the provider |
| 05:58.08 | TrentCreek | time of answer and hangup different |
| 05:58.12 | the_5th_wheel | how much different |
| 05:58.27 | the_5th_wheel | Im more interested in the duration of the call |
| 05:58.54 | TrentCreek | within 1 - 2 minutes |
| 05:59.04 | drmessano | So your phone company determines the call time on Zap calls? |
| 05:59.10 | drmessano | Wow, some power they weild |
| 05:59.17 | drmessano | Oh wait, everyone uses SIP |
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| 05:59.26 | drmessano | wonders who the newb is |
| 05:59.29 | TrentCreek | they determine your toll |
| 05:59.49 | TrentCreek | (if you had one) |
| 05:59.50 | the_5th_wheel | So are you saying i cant rely on the variable answeredtime? |
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| 06:01.01 | TrentCreek | On some calls I have made, the provider has started billing during the ring , and reported to * as "answered" |
| 06:01.06 | TrentCreek | It's all screwed up |
| 06:01.31 | drmessano | WTF |
| 06:01.52 | TrentCreek | exactly |
| 06:02.04 | TrentCreek | I am working on that so I can have accurate billing |
| 06:02.08 | mchou | Same shit happens at Grandcentral |
| 06:02.31 | mchou | Grandcentral does an 'answer' b4 ringback |
| 06:02.40 | mchou | drives me up the wall |
| 06:02.42 | the_5th_wheel | Ive changed my system to rely on answeredtime, and now my usage has dropped by 15% |
| 06:02.56 | drmessano | Good job! |
| 06:03.10 | the_5th_wheel | Im not sure if it was the hacked and broken A2Billing system i used that reported it too much |
| 06:03.22 | the_5th_wheel | Or the new system being broken and reporting too little |
| 06:03.22 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:03.43 | drmessano | hacked and broken A2Billing system <--- Even that says a lot, considering "A2Billing" |
| 06:03.56 | drmessano | Too many variables here |
| 06:03.57 | the_5th_wheel | It was something i Inherited |
| 06:04.01 | drmessano | Indeed |
| 06:04.09 | TrentCreek | it all depends on your provider also |
| 06:04.20 | drmessano | But a broken A2Billing system is like a sloppy sloppy joe |
| 06:04.38 | mchou | it tastes good? |
| 06:04.38 | the_5th_wheel | So we rewrote the agi system from scratch to use a logical database structure |
| 06:04.46 | drmessano | mchou: Damn Skinny |
| 06:04.47 | the_5th_wheel | whats sloppy sloppy joe? |
| 06:05.36 | mchou | it's kinda like hamburger with BBQ sauce |
| 06:05.39 | drmessano | the_5th_wheel: it would be like telling me they have "really wet water over there" |
| 06:06.22 | the_5th_wheel | ah... |
| 06:06.33 | drmessano | or a "Really Stripey Zebra" |
| 06:07.06 | drmessano | I question A2Billing when it's NOT "broken" as it's pretty broken to begin with |
| 06:07.08 | drmessano | Which was the point |
| 06:07.25 | drmessano | So you're 15% could be anything at this point |
| 06:07.28 | the_5th_wheel | Ah... Thought it was somethign standard... Glad we moved away from it |
| 06:07.30 | drmessano | your* |
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| 06:10.33 | TrentCreek | It works quite well... |
| 06:11.06 | TrentCreek | It seems to be problem with * getting sent false answering, hangups..etc..usualy can be problem with provider |
| 06:12.52 | mchou | This is great. |
| 06:12.56 | drmessano | That doesn't make any sense, but ok... |
| 06:13.19 | mchou | It seems the telemarketers have finally stopped calling me |
| 06:13.31 | TrentCreek | that's right..let us big boys do the talking |
| 06:13.42 | drmessano | heh |
| 06:13.46 | mchou | that's not too bad after 1 month of asterisk screening |
| 06:14.04 | drmessano | Sure, sure... TrentCreek.. you're the expert |
| 06:14.16 | the_5th_wheel | last time a telelmarketer firm got my number, I paid their gardener to take a shovel thru their PRI wire every now and then |
| 06:14.33 | TrentCreek | drmessano: Just try making a call and you see your * box report "ANSWERED" while you are still getting ring back tone... |
| 06:14.43 | mchou | the_5th_wheel: what? you cant be serious |
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| 06:14.50 | the_5th_wheel | I am. |
| 06:15.01 | the_5th_wheel | they wouldnt stop phoning me. |
| 06:15.06 | mchou | the_5th_wheel: how did you even find out who they were? |
| 06:15.21 | the_5th_wheel | so it costed me R200 (R8 =$1) |
| 06:15.25 | mchou | the_5th_wheel: most just leave prerecorded message |
| 06:15.40 | the_5th_wheel | I live in south africa... There are only a limited amount of telemarketing firms here |
| 06:15.51 | TrentCreek | Rupi? Rubles? |
| 06:16.14 | TrentCreek | ahh |
| 06:16.38 | the_5th_wheel | Rand (ZAR) |
| 06:16.55 | mchou | the_5th_wheel: how did you find the gardener? |
| 06:16.58 | mchou | :) |
| 06:17.19 | the_5th_wheel | Sat outside their building with a pack of smokes on my car :-) |
| 06:17.27 | mchou | lol |
| 06:17.42 | mchou | wouldnt want to get on your bad side |
| 06:17.44 | the_5th_wheel | Was the first time i bought smokes tho :-) |
| 06:18.25 | the_5th_wheel | Anyhow, I need to go to orcestra now. thanks for the info people. :-) |
| 06:18.56 | jblack | reality? Earth calling. Please come back |
| 06:19.11 | jblack | so wants that mountain place |
| 06:19.21 | the_5th_wheel | jblack: huh? |
| 06:19.37 | jblack | nothing to do with you. I'm sure orchestras in south africa are great. |
| 06:19.43 | drmessano | LOL |
| 06:20.12 | jblack | The jackass three houses down got in a fight with the college kids across the street... On my sidewalk. |
| 06:20.27 | jblack | Both sides tried to drag me in. |
| 06:22.34 | mchou | haha |
| 06:22.45 | mchou | you bop them all on the head? |
| 06:23.23 | mchou | on _your_ sidewalk? O though sidewalks is community property |
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| 06:23.50 | drmessano | Once you hit the T, you're all mine |
| 06:23.53 | knobo` | Where can I find a list of reasons for soundquality that is very bad? |
| 06:24.10 | drmessano | That little strip that goes from the street to my ass is 100% asskick zone |
| 06:24.11 | jblack | I don't know of one. |
| 06:24.12 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:24.43 | jblack | I just let my natural personality bubble up. Within 5 minutes, they had moved down the block. |
| 06:24.53 | knobo` | I have connection from one sip-phone to one asterisk server to another asterisk-server on a lan, and just using normal playback gives very bad quality |
| 06:25.15 | drmessano | Word of advice.. Move near a gas station |
| 06:25.25 | mchou | drmessano: why? |
| 06:25.31 | jblack | what's the logic? |
| 06:25.36 | mchou | drmessano: they're polluted |
| 06:25.44 | mchou | fumes |
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| 06:25.55 | mchou | not good |
| 06:26.03 | jblack | considers painting his house black and hanging an upside down cross |
| 06:26.08 | drmessano | No one will ever fight in your yard.. If they start to fight, eventually one will ration "Lets take this ***** up to the gas station so I can kick your ass" |
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| 06:26.30 | mchou | what?? |
| 06:26.33 | drmessano | i dont mean THAT close |
| 06:26.40 | mchou | I'm still missing the logic |
| 06:26.46 | TrentCreek | And burning it |
| 06:26.49 | drmessano | PWTPP loves fighting in gas station parking lots |
| 06:26.50 | mchou | gas station is fight club? :) |
| 06:27.05 | knobo` | I'm using ulaw, and sound quality is bad. :( |
| 06:27.09 | l0verb0y | hows everyone doing |
| 06:27.11 | drmessano | PWTTPP |
| 06:27.15 | drmessano | Sorry |
| 06:27.26 | drmessano | Poor White Trash Trailer Park People |
| 06:27.31 | drmessano | PWTTPPs |
| 06:27.38 | jblack | This place was fine four years ago. |
| 06:27.46 | jblack | Big pile-o-old-folks. |
| 06:27.48 | drmessano | I'm surrounded by them.. Gotta love the south |
| 06:27.58 | jblack | Then the college grew, the old people started dropping off. |
| 06:28.13 | mchou | jblack: that's called progress |
| 06:28.25 | TrentCreek | here's a fight at the gas station |
| 06:28.26 | TrentCreek | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkA7ATU1i8 |
| 06:28.28 | jblack | Partyville is expanding up my block, and that jackass neighbor of mine has decided to hold the line. |
| 06:28.29 | mchou | jblack: buy up all the old folks property |
| 06:28.29 | drmessano | The old get old, and the young get dumber... Jim Morrison predicted it |
| 06:28.37 | jblack | wondres if bumfights is on torrent |
| 06:28.43 | mchou | jblack: you'll get rich |
| 06:28.53 | jblack | Yay |
| 06:29.15 | jblack | only two seeds. booo |
| 06:30.13 | jblack | preps the sermon for his kid.... "If you don't get straight A's, this is what you'll have to do to buy that crack you'll be addicted to" |
| 06:30.25 | knobo` | Is there a way I can test the network to see if the problem is the network? |
| 06:30.36 | drmessano | Around here, Gas stations remind me of the marshmallow man attacks on the ghostbusters video game |
| 06:30.40 | jblack | There's a sip quality check thing. |
| 06:30.50 | jblack | You'll have to google to find it. |
| 06:30.52 | l0verb0y | has anyone ever had asterisk-IVR problems where you put in an extention and nothing happens? |
| 06:30.59 | drmessano | You just never know when some place is gonna go from quiet to total smackdown in 5 seconds |
| 06:31.08 | knobo` | jblack: Is that for me? |
| 06:31.11 | jblack | loverboy: With ATAs. By turning on sip debug, I could track the call and hang up. |
| 06:31.14 | jblack | knobo`: yes. |
| 06:31.25 | knobo` | jblack: It's the media that has problem, not sip. |
| 06:31.28 | jblack | drmessano: That's me. |
| 06:31.58 | jblack | Ok. Fine. check the load of your network and see if you're dropping packets. Good luck. |
| 06:32.01 | l0verb0y | jblack: when I call the IVR from a non-voip phone its the same thing |
| 06:32.08 | TrentCreek | knobo`: http://myvoipspeed.visualware.com/index.html |
| 06:32.19 | drmessano | "i don't mean to interrupt, but can you stop bleeding on my lawn" |
| 06:32.24 | jblack | Some day, I'm gonna snap. |
| 06:33.09 | *** join/#asterisk Rico29 (n=Rico@static-120-146.blueline.mg) |
| 06:33.17 | jblack | someone's gonna piss me off IRL, or on irc, and I'll end up hunting them down and putting a gas bomb on their natural gas heater. |
| 06:33.40 | jblack | or shove a bic lighter up their tailpipe. ALways wanted to try that one |
| 06:33.44 | knobo` | packet loss 0.0 %. So it should be ok. |
| 06:34.06 | knobo` | But anyway, I'm on a local network. all connected to a switch |
| 06:34.50 | jblack | If you're trying to convince us you don't have a problem, then you win. You don't have a problem. |
| 06:35.07 | drmessano | Glad we could help |
| 06:35.38 | drmessano | Always happy to support the Skype community |
| 06:36.18 | jblack | I don't suppose there's some sort of hive-mind-queen-ant person behind skype? |
| 06:37.14 | knobo` | jblack: as I say, the sound quality is really really bad |
| 06:37.23 | jblack | No it's not. |
| 06:37.43 | knobo` | When I do conference calls over skype, I get much better result |
| 06:37.53 | knobo` | jblack: so there is something wrong here. |
| 06:37.55 | drmessano | ZING! |
| 06:38.00 | TrentCreek | I see the problem. |
| 06:38.11 | TrentCreek | S K Y P E |
| 06:38.16 | knobo` | We have asterisk at our office, and the quality is verry good. |
| 06:38.17 | drmessano | No |
| 06:38.25 | drmessano | We don't speak badly about Skype here |
| 06:38.30 | drmessano | Skype is good |
| 06:38.38 | TrentCreek | yeah...good |
| 06:38.44 | TrentCreek | as string and cans |
| 06:38.52 | drmessano | No |
| 06:38.55 | jblack | Skype is yummy. |
| 06:39.01 | drmessano | Skype is our friend |
| 06:39.19 | drmessano | Skype users are welcome and fully supported |
| 06:39.19 | knobo` | Is it or is it something one can do to find a solution to the problem with the asterisk configuration |
| 06:39.33 | drmessano | Soylent Green is NOT people |
| 06:39.37 | TrentCreek | Skype was the reason I ran into Asterisk |
| 06:40.05 | TrentCreek | Who needs Skype when you can get free used cans and string? |
| 06:40.26 | drmessano | You keep talking like that, and an OP is gonna explode on your about putting down Skype |
| 06:40.31 | drmessano | you* |
| 06:40.40 | drmessano | "Skype is good" |
| 06:40.41 | jblack | knobo`: It could be any of a million things. The codec. (really) Bad timing. Dropped packets. Loaded network. CPU starvation. Radioactive bastard child, hiding behind the machines. Bad phone cord. Perhaps your dentist filled your teeth with magnets rather than gold. |
| 06:41.09 | jblack | TrentCreek: Seriously, skype is great. Think through reasons we might say that here.... |
| 06:41.33 | TrentCreek | I paid the one year plan when it first came out...for $14.95 |
| 06:41.42 | drmessano | Asking about skype in here is perfectly acceptable |
| 06:41.48 | drmessano | All day long |
| 06:41.48 | jblack | Skype rocks. End of story. |
| 06:41.54 | TrentCreek | The quality was so bad I did not even use it |
| 06:42.15 | drmessano | Enough of that. Skype == Very Yes |
| 06:42.29 | TrentCreek | And their "support" was good as their voice quality...NONE |
| 06:42.39 | mchou | lol |
| 06:42.44 | mchou | sype support |
| 06:42.46 | jblack | TrentCreek: Are you willing to personally take on the support role for any clearly, utterly, cluessless users that join here? The sort that need handholding for 8 hours? |
| 06:42.50 | mchou | skype* |
| 06:43.11 | drmessano | Skype is Comcastic |
| 06:43.23 | mchou | skype support consists of "volunteers" on some forum |
| 06:43.32 | drmessano | and #asterisk |
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| 06:43.44 | knobo` | jblack: about the radoactivity, might be true, as we are in russia |
| 06:43.49 | knobo` | :) |
| 06:43.50 | TrentCreek | But when I complain about their voice quality it went unanswered, but oh ask about how to pay them..and get a reply in seconds |
| 06:43.56 | jblack | Oh, that's your problem. |
| 06:44.03 | mchou | drmessano: at leask #asteris is interactive |
| 06:44.07 | jblack | The cyrrilic letters are getting stuck in the lines. |
| 06:44.11 | knobo` | well, not really |
| 06:44.13 | drmessano | #asterisk = all forms of VoIP, as much Skype as possible |
| 06:44.51 | drmessano | I would imagine Cisco as well |
| 06:44.56 | TrentCreek | yeah and their "quality" voice calls |
| 06:44.57 | drmessano | So any CCM problems, have at it |
| 06:45.30 | TrentCreek | Even Yahoo! VOIP is far superor |
| 06:45.42 | drmessano | As of two days ago, I hated Skype.. now I am thinking about filling the house with Skype |
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| 06:45.56 | drmessano | May even pack up the wife and my 11 dogs and head to SkypeCon |
| 06:46.13 | TrentCreek | yeah..proper name for that |
| 06:46.25 | TrentCreek | Skype-'Con" |
| 06:46.31 | drmessano | Wow |
| 06:46.37 | drmessano | You are asking for trouble |
| 06:47.02 | drmessano | "skype is good" |
| 06:47.14 | TrentCreek | sure is |
| 06:47.23 | TrentCreek | good as those 2 cans and string I setup |
| 06:48.09 | drmessano | thinks TrentCreek wouldn't understand "subtle" if it hit him with an 18-wheeler |
| 06:48.23 | coppice | don't knock the cans and strings, especially when using OFDM over string |
| 06:48.25 | drmessano | mchou: Are we gonna have that Asterisk Skype conference? |
| 06:48.38 | TrentCreek | haha |
| 06:49.02 | mchou | drmessano: Astricon |
| 06:49.13 | drmessano | No, I meant voice conference |
| 06:49.33 | drmessano | The weekly voice conference on Skype to discuss Asterisk |
| 06:49.43 | drmessano | I think its a GREAT idea |
| 06:49.51 | mchou | oh. you mean how to bury asterisk |
| 06:50.10 | mchou | part of our ebay strategy |
| 06:50.14 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:50.38 | mchou | make good on our write-offs |
| 06:50.45 | drmessano | No, I think it would be awesome to have a weekly rountable to discuss asterisk, and I think theres no better place do it than Skype |
| 06:51.26 | drmessano | I am the only person in #skype |
| 06:51.28 | drmessano | Odd |
| 06:53.08 | drmessano | Someone registered it 4 years ago |
| 06:53.12 | drmessano | Dan forward thinkers |
| 06:53.14 | drmessano | Damn |
| 06:55.35 | drmessano | Anyone use Everydns? |
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| 06:59.02 | MacWinner | sorry, a bit off topic, but any suggestions on a reliable and cheap IAX termination provider? |
| 06:59.38 | mchou | MacWinner: depends where you are |
| 06:59.57 | MacWinner | my server is hosted with 1&1 |
| 07:00.11 | mchou | 1&1?? |
| 07:00.20 | MacWinner | not sure where, but seems to have great connectivity |
| 07:00.25 | MacWinner | 1and1.com |
| 07:00.32 | MacWinner | kind of like godaddy |
| 07:00.45 | mchou | godaddy sucks |
| 07:01.36 | mchou | check out connect.voicepulse.com |
| 07:02.03 | mchou | I dont use them but they have great termination rates |
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| 07:02.43 | TrentCreek | godaddy kinda sucks |
| 07:04.57 | mchou | wow. wtf?? |
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| 07:05.09 | drmessano | ? |
| 07:05.13 | mchou | voicepulse stopped their iax term? |
| 07:05.29 | mchou | web page has no mention of it any more |
| 07:05.53 | drmessano | They terminated their termination |
| 07:05.56 | drmessano | How.. poetic |
| 07:06.26 | mchou | lol |
| 07:06.54 | mchou | to think just a few days ago I was considering paying them $50 just for iax termination |
| 07:07.23 | jblack | future-nine are morons. |
| 07:08.00 | mchou | MacWinner: this might be it: http://www.voicepulse.com/plans/plans.aspx?plan=lnkPlan7 |
| 07:09.15 | mchou | MacWinner: they used to post their rates but I ont know where it is now |
| 07:09.20 | mchou | dont* |
| 07:10.08 | jblack | drmessano: Ok... here's a good example of why vim is better than nano. |
| 07:10.37 | jblack | future-nine insists on sending me html formatted emails. So I'm doing a search and replace, over only two lines, replacing < and > with > and < |
| 07:10.50 | mchou | oh shit |
| 07:11.09 | mchou | enough with the vim vs. nano BS |
| 07:11.28 | TrentCreek | seems Voice pulse has changed |
| 07:11.38 | mchou | TrentCreek: yup |
| 07:11.39 | TrentCreek | http://www.voicepulse.com/connect/default.aspx |
| 07:12.09 | TrentCreek | Rates here |
| 07:12.10 | TrentCreek | http://www.voicepulse.com/connect/Rates.aspx |
| 07:12.14 | mchou | yeah |
| 07:12.21 | mchou | that's it |
| 07:12.24 | mchou | wtf |
| 07:13.13 | jblack | Aren't voicepulse the ones that want a copy of a license, utility bill, fingerprint, dna sample, first born.... ? |
| 07:13.35 | mchou | "Our rates may be downloaded inside the Account Center." WTF??? |
| 07:13.39 | jblack | .019 ? Isn't that up? |
| 07:13.41 | TrentCreek | jblack: yes |
| 07:14.01 | jblack | to which? |
| 07:14.05 | TrentCreek | I use RapidVox, but their "support" is non existent |
| 07:14.09 | mchou | looks like they've jacked up their rates |
| 07:14.18 | TrentCreek | jblack: Aren't voicepulse the ones that want a copy of a license, utility bill, fingerprint, dna sample, first born.... |
| 07:14.32 | jblack | .019 sounds high. |
| 07:14.44 | TrentCreek | for USA? |
| 07:14.50 | jblack | yeah. |
| 07:15.14 | mchou | they used to be .01 for most of USA |
| 07:15.29 | drmessano | .019 is very high |
| 07:16.18 | TrentCreek | yeah..it was .012 |
| 07:16.19 | mchou | drmessano: who do you use for termination? |
| 07:16.43 | drmessano | Les.net currently, looking at Flowroute |
| 07:16.50 | drmessano | Lowest I have seen yet is Flowroute |
| 07:16.56 | drmessano | Well |
| 07:16.58 | drmessano | I take that back |
| 07:17.11 | drmessano | That whichamacalit one you showed me was lowest |
| 07:17.14 | mchou | drmessano: you test them out on voice quality? |
| 07:17.32 | drmessano | I made a few calls.. need to test more |
| 07:17.35 | jblack | I was talking to future-nine, as their rates are very competitive, but they're more trouble than their worth |
| 07:18.22 | TrentCreek | RapidVox is .012 |
| 07:18.42 | TrentCreek | USA calls are premo |
| 07:19.21 | jblack | CWU is still at .0125 |
| 07:19.24 | MacWinner | how about voip-jet? i use to have a test account with call-labs, but i've just tried using it and i seem to get a network congestion or busy error anytime i try to make atest call |
| 07:21.03 | TrentCreek | Voicetrading is good, but.... |
| 07:21.19 | TrentCreek | you have to fork out 500 Euros each time you make a payment |
| 07:21.52 | TrentCreek | you can get a trial account with 5 Euros |
| 07:21.57 | jblack | There was an american company that wantd to sell blocks of $600, but I can't find them. |
| 07:22.38 | TrentCreek | I think I recall...I heard they sucked, if it is the same company |
| 07:23.01 | TrentCreek | Their rates, that is |
| 07:23.44 | jblack | These guys had rates similiar to voicetrading. .0005 |
| 07:23.49 | jblack | but now I can't find them. |
| 07:24.13 | TrentCreek | I know another company you can get rates that low |
| 07:24.20 | TrentCreek | No min payment |
| 07:24.40 | TrentCreek | but if you dont mind doing biz with UAE |
| 07:24.50 | jblack | hmmmmm |
| 07:24.58 | drmessano | I work for haliburton, so im game |
| 07:24.59 | jblack | latency would probably suck |
| 07:25.01 | TrentCreek | But then again..Haliburton is now HQ there |
| 07:25.07 | jblack | UAE is progressive. |
| 07:25.07 | TrentCreek | no..t |
| 07:25.28 | TrentCreek | THEY bring different carriers to get bulk pricing |
| 07:25.29 | drmessano | So who are they? |
| 07:25.40 | MacWinner | UAE is all expats |
| 07:25.41 | TrentCreek | carrie exchange |
| 07:25.46 | TrentCreek | something like that |
| 07:25.53 | drmessano | I buy my oil from UAE, I can get my Voip there too |
| 07:26.08 | TrentCreek | I am going to signup with them some day. |
| 07:26.08 | TrentCreek | LOL |
| 07:26.25 | MacWinner | so no opinion on voipjet or call labs? |
| 07:27.00 | mchou | ~ygwypf |
| 07:27.01 | jbot | ygwypf is, like, You Get What You Pay For. If the sole factor in your decision to purchase a product or service is that it's cheaper than everything else out there, don't be surprised if it's also worse in every other respect than everything else out there. |
| 07:27.13 | TrentCreek | http://www.carriexchange.com |
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| 07:27.54 | TrentCreek | I visited CL site and was not impressed |
| 07:28.41 | TrentCreek | Only problem I see with http://www.carriexchange.com is trying to program all those different routes into your billing app |
| 07:29.31 | TrentCreek | I guess that is where the $00.25 an hour Hindu comes in. |
| 07:30.35 | knobo` | I configured a call-queue, and the sound was OK. But, with playback from a context, the sound quality was BAD |
| 07:31.45 | drmessano | Why do you need to program all the routes? |
| 07:32.14 | drmessano | Unless you're using LCR with them and someone else |
| 07:32.20 | TrentCreek | Because you have to go through their system getting pricing on different locations |
| 07:32.39 | drmessano | Ok, they handle all the LCR though |
| 07:33.13 | TrentCreek | so if you are looking for lowest cost per cal...could be THOUSANDS of entries |
| 07:33.47 | drmessano | ok... |
| 07:33.51 | TrentCreek | because many providers do not have set pricing for one country |
| 07:33.57 | TrentCreek | liek they do for the US |
| 07:34.28 | TrentCreek | each city could have a different rate..like for Mexico, for example |
| 07:34.37 | drmessano | I understand what LCR is |
| 07:35.34 | TrentCreek | hehe |
| 07:36.07 | drmessano | ? |
| 07:36.55 | drmessano | If you're only going to use them for outbound, you need to don't need to process the LCR on your end.. |
| 07:37.03 | TrentCreek | A good test of a provider is trying out their routes with toll free |
| 07:37.03 | drmessano | err yeah |
| 07:37.36 | drmessano | So I am still not following |
| 07:37.50 | TrentCreek | on Rapid Vox...their US routes are carrier quality |
| 07:38.06 | TrentCreek | but try call a toll route....it starts breaking in |
| 07:38.12 | TrentCreek | *up |
| 07:38.49 | TrentCreek | so means they dont want you using their bandwidth without paying for it |
| 07:39.51 | drmessano | beats his head on the desk |
| 07:40.10 | TrentCreek | drmessano: a little harder, please |
| 07:40.12 | drmessano | if you don't know, say you don't know.. |
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| 07:41.08 | drmessano | I asked you WHY you're doing it, not for a lecture on how LCR works or VoIP or anything else. All you're doing is telling stories. |
| 07:41.11 | drmessano | What are you 90? |
| 07:42.26 | TrentCreek | why I am doing it? I am not doing anything |
| 07:43.14 | drmessano | If CarrieXchange handles all of the LCR by default on their end and you're not using anyone else for termination, you don't need to program 10000 routes into anything. If you're using them as part of a broader scheme for processing LCR, then I can understand that. |
| 07:44.39 | TrentCreek | No..they dont..you have to pick and choose you own routes. They only handle the billing |
| 07:45.27 | drmessano | Least Cost Routing (LCR): |
| 07:45.27 | drmessano | LCR is set by default to all account to pass traffic through least cost. You have the option |
| 07:45.27 | drmessano | to turn it âoffâ and set it individually for each route. |
| 07:45.53 | TrentCreek | yes you could do that |
| 07:47.39 | drmessano | http://www.carriexchange.com/html/downloads/userguide.pdf |
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| 07:48.58 | TrentCreek | yeah I got it, but never bothered to read it yet...not ready to join yet |
| 07:49.29 | drmessano | Apparently you can your own routes as "private routes" and they will process it as well as their routes for LCR |
| 07:49.31 | drmessano | Thats damn slick |
| 07:50.30 | MacWinner | there mouse rollover on the main site is damn slick too |
| 07:51.13 | TrentCreek | prob java svript |
| 07:51.13 | drmessano | Well, you could have a cool site too if you were making all that money off oil sold to americans |
| 07:51.23 | TrentCreek | yeah..Oil and VOIP |
| 07:53.15 | drmessano | Damn, cant use my Skype account for LCR |
| 07:53.20 | drmessano | Oh well |
| 07:53.42 | drmessano | I guess if I cant use it with Skype, it's off topic for #asterisk |
| 07:53.59 | TrentCreek | but you could with a string and cans |
| 07:54.55 | SkypeHunting | yay |
| 07:55.06 | MacWinner | in the end, who got the oil, and who got the worthless paper ;) |
| 07:55.43 | SkypeHunting | walks through the woods beating a paper bag with a PAP2 yelling "Skype, skype" |
| 07:57.42 | TrentCreek | no Skype here |
| 07:58.10 | TrentCreek | _/kick skype |
| 07:58.50 | SkypeHunting | According to russellb, skype is welcome here |
| 07:58.56 | SkypeHunting | All voip is |
| 07:59.22 | SkypeHunting | Whcih rocks, because PalTalk.. wow |
| 07:59.48 | SkypeHunting | thinks a Skype Fondue party would rock |
| 08:00.34 | TrentCreek | _/kick russleb |
| 08:01.03 | SkypeHunting | Good luck with that |
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| 08:01.25 | TrentCreek | easy as pie |
| 08:01.37 | brian | kind of OT -- but I want to buy a VoIP phone for my home office. any suggestions? |
| 08:01.48 | SkypeHunting | Skype |
| 08:01.49 | mvanbaak | ~sipphones |
| 08:01.57 | TrentCreek | ATA |
| 08:02.04 | mvanbaak | hhmm |
| 08:02.06 | brian | I actually don't own a phone |
| 08:02.11 | mvanbaak | ~phones |
| 08:02.12 | jbot | i heard phones is http://bani.anime.net/phones/. While personal preference will dictate which phone works best for you, general consensus on a rough order of quality and suggestibility is as follows: Polycom (any), Aastra 480i, Aastra 5i Series, Cisco 7940+, Linksys SPA-9XX, Snom, and finally everything else. Do not consider Grandstream phones. Ever. places like such as |
| 08:02.14 | brian | I just have a cell phone |
| 08:02.40 | brian | I want a phone that is highly programmable, because I'm a nerd... |
| 08:02.51 | TrentCreek | with ATA you can have a larger selection of what you want..not too many SIP phones in comparison |
| 08:03.04 | brian | Like I want to be able to have an emergency pager ring on the phone for example |
| 08:03.25 | brian | So a client can page me if there is a problem and I'm asleep |
| 08:03.41 | SkypeHunting | Do you have a PBX to hook it up to? |
| 08:03.51 | brian | Yeah, I'm gonna run Asterisk |
| 08:04.15 | SkypeHunting | PAP2T ATA will work with POTS phones |
| 08:04.24 | brian | I don't have a POTS phone |
| 08:04.36 | SkypeHunting | You can BUY one |
| 08:04.40 | SkypeHunting | They're like $15 |
| 08:04.47 | brian | Why not buy a SIP phone, though? |
| 08:05.02 | TrentCreek | they cost a lot |
| 08:05.17 | SkypeHunting | Youre gonna spend minimum of $80 for SIP phone |
| 08:05.21 | SkypeHunting | Which is fine |
| 08:05.27 | brian | I didn't say I wanted a cheap phone |
| 08:05.37 | brian | I said I wanted a phone that is customizable |
| 08:05.40 | SkypeHunting | Cisco 7940 then |
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| 08:07.45 | brian | so what exactly can I make the phone do? |
| 08:07.57 | brian | can i set like custom ring tones for callers and stuff? |
| 08:08.44 | SkypeHunting | You can do that with any phone |
| 08:08.58 | brian | How can you do that with any phone? |
| 08:09.18 | brian | I'm talking about the ring noise it makes when someone calls it. |
| 08:10.04 | SkypeHunting | I know what distinctive ring is |
| 08:10.11 | SkypeHunting | or "ring noise" |
| 08:10.19 | brian | What do you mean you can do it with any phone? |
| 08:10.28 | SkypeHunting | You can make any phone follow the standard bell distinctive ring patterns |
| 08:10.56 | SkypeHunting | and most IP phones have custom rings |
| 08:11.16 | brian | Well, I want to be able to make the phone beep loudly in some cases. |
| 08:11.28 | SkypeHunting | ok |
| 08:11.34 | TrentCreek | what is "some cases?" |
| 08:12.16 | SkypeHunting | Gee caller based rings |
| 08:12.18 | brian | I just told you, I want to be able to use the phone as an "emergency pager" |
| 08:12.33 | SkypeHunting | brian: this is BASIC stuff you are asking about |
| 08:12.38 | SkypeHunting | Yes, Yes, and yes |
| 08:12.44 | brian | Basically, if I'm asleep I want it to be loud and wake me up. |
| 08:12.44 | SkypeHunting | Rings are childs play |
| 08:12.58 | SkypeHunting | I cant make it any clearer |
| 08:13.11 | brian | There are other things I want it to do... |
| 08:13.15 | TrentCreek | Then why not just buy a pager for $5 and service for $20 for a year? |
| 08:13.26 | brian | Because I don't need a pager... |
| 08:13.35 | SkypeHunting | What else do you want it to do? |
| 08:13.44 | SkypeHunting | Be able to talk AND listen? |
| 08:13.50 | brian | Haha |
| 08:13.59 | SkypeHunting | have buttons to make tone thingys? |
| 08:14.03 | TrentCreek | Well you just said you wanted a pager |
| 08:14.36 | SkypeHunting | Oh, I know.. he wants some magical thing where when someone calls it shows it on like a TV monitor computer calculator thingo |
| 08:14.42 | SkypeHunting | Like an ID for the Caller |
| 08:14.44 | SkypeHunting | :) |
| 08:14.59 | SkypeHunting | Seriosuly.. what else are you looking for? |
| 08:15.05 | SkypeHunting | Seriously too* |
| 08:15.36 | SkypeHunting | Now that we're past "Phones can make different ringy dingys" |
| 08:15.37 | brian | I'm just not sure what phone to buy. |
| 08:15.38 | brian | :( |
| 08:15.57 | TrentCreek | he just told you |
| 08:16.10 | brian | I'm worried I'll buy a phone and then it won't do what I need it to do or what I want it to do |
| 08:16.38 | TrentCreek | that;s why you read description and ask questions before you buy...or return it. |
| 08:16.52 | brian | I am reading |
| 08:16.56 | SkypeHunting | Beyond the requirment that it rings, what else? |
| 08:17.26 | brian | I want to be able to like upload a custom ringtone to the phone |
| 08:17.59 | SkypeHunting | Like, the latest hit from yellowcard or Nickelback? |
| 08:18.04 | brian | No |
| 08:18.10 | brian | Like a loud annoying beep |
| 08:18.21 | brian | That probably isn't already in the phone's ringtones |
| 08:18.44 | TrentCreek | not much to choose out there...Cisco..Polycom..Avaya |
| 08:18.45 | SkypeHunting | Why are we still talking about rings... I'm making stinky face |
| 08:18.58 | SkypeHunting | I can do that with a Linksys SPA941 |
| 08:19.23 | brian | Well, i'm just using that as an example. |
| 08:19.36 | brian | I'm not sure what I will want to add to my phone as time progresses. |
| 08:19.42 | SkypeHunting | Ok, we GET that you need something loud to wake you |
| 08:20.05 | brian | So which phone is the most customizable? |
| 08:20.10 | SkypeHunting | All of them |
| 08:20.19 | SkypeHunting | They all do different things |
| 08:20.24 | SkypeHunting | You've named one |
| 08:21.47 | brian | I was looking at Polycom IP 330 on newgg |
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| 08:23.23 | Specialist1 | hi everyone |
| 08:24.13 | TrentCreek | we are demoting you to PFC |
| 08:27.07 | SkypeHunting | Just like Iwo Jima |
| 08:27.59 | TrentCreek | yeah |
| 08:32.54 | brian | How does power over ethernet work? |
| 08:33.13 | TrentCreek | huh? |
| 08:33.21 | brian | I don't have power over ethernet switch |
| 08:33.53 | TrentCreek | bad idea |
| 08:34.04 | brian | What is a bad idea? |
| 08:34.12 | TrentCreek | sucks the power from the cards to power the unit |
| 08:34.20 | TrentCreek | degrading your signal |
| 08:34.45 | brian | All of these IP phones use PoE |
| 08:35.30 | brian | What's a good phone that isn't an IP Phone? |
| 08:35.43 | TrentCreek | oh..my bad |
| 08:36.05 | TrentCreek | It's SENDING power over ethernet to power units |
| 08:36.13 | coppice | PoE is the only sane way to power a phone. Who wants two cables to their phone? |
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| 08:36.45 | brian | I don't have PoE though |
| 08:36.55 | TrentCreek | ethernet uses only 4 wires..leaving extras for other stuff |
| 08:37.17 | brian | My consumer grade router doesn't have PoE |
| 08:37.50 | coppice | brian: you can get power injectors to place near your switch. most phones have a direct power input socket as well as supporting PoE |
| 08:38.06 | brian | what is a power injector? |
| 08:38.29 | coppice | a gadget to inject the power over the ethernet |
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| 08:38.47 | brian | doesn't that plug into the wall anyways |
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| 08:39.21 | coppice | yeah, but its near the switch, so you only have one cable into the phone |
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| 08:39.59 | brian | Well I'm only gonna have one phone. So it doesn't really matter. I might just buy a analog phone and adapter now that I think about it |
| 08:40.32 | brian | I don't know if an analog phone can do what I want though |
| 08:40.50 | coppice | low end sip phones don't give you much more than an ATA+analogue phone |
| 08:40.59 | SkypeHunting | Why are you back to an ATA and a phone? |
| 08:41.06 | SkypeHunting | I thought you wanted a full featured phone? |
| 08:41.15 | brian | Is it stupid to have just one phone though? |
| 08:41.29 | SkypeHunting | Who cares? |
| 08:41.46 | brian | I don't know which phone to buy. |
| 08:41.47 | SkypeHunting | What is "stupid"? |
| 08:42.25 | TrentCreek | just to have one phone |
| 08:42.35 | SkypeHunting | thinks this going to be one of those 3 hour and back forth convos that ends up with the person getting vonage or skype |
| 08:42.54 | TrentCreek | or free string & cans |
| 08:43.22 | SkypeHunting | Maybe you just need a louder cell phone |
| 08:43.42 | coppice | Its the old "I want everything I can possibly have, but I'll eventually settle for a $1 analogue phone" discourse :-) |
| 08:43.53 | TrentCreek | nah..stick earphone in ear,..turn up ringer loud as possible |
| 08:44.14 | brian | Cell phone call quality is not so good |
| 08:44.25 | coppice | a monk with a cell big enough to need a loud phone is too indulgent |
| 08:44.41 | brian | That's why I want to setup a VoIP phone because cell phone is not reliable |
| 08:45.13 | baliktad | newly installed * on centOS 5.2, everything works fine except playback of sounds stutters horribly |
| 08:45.18 | baliktad | any suggestions? |
| 08:45.21 | coppice | So, you something so bad it makes cellphones look good? |
| 08:46.00 | brian | No |
| 08:46.14 | brian | I need a functional customizable phone that I can play with. |
| 08:46.31 | SkypeHunting | I'm guessing he ends up with Skype |
| 08:46.34 | SkypeHunting | No |
| 08:46.36 | SkypeHunting | Yes |
| 08:46.46 | SkypeHunting | Vonage is still a POTS phone |
| 08:47.17 | baliktad | voice conversations are fine, music on hold is fine, just playback of sounds (digits and other allison sounds) stutters badly |
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| 08:48.45 | brian | I hate Skype |
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| 08:54.00 | TrentCreek | who doesn't? |
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| 08:56.43 | dramman | The samples that come with asterisk are very confusing - If I want to have a user "john" on a SIP phone at extension "20" do I create an entry in users.conf "[john]", "[20]", or an entry in sip.conf "[john](xlite1,my-codecs)" |
| 09:00.05 | TrentCreek | in SIP.conf |
| 09:00.22 | brian | why does it have to be such a difficult choice to choose a phone :( |
| 09:01.22 | dramman | So what's the poing of users.conf? |
| 09:01.45 | dramman | s/poing/point/ |
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| 09:04.46 | TrentCreek | users.conf is a configuration file aimed at defining a "user". It can define a user with an optional SIP phone, IAX2 phone, Zaptel phone and/or just about any other type of phone. Some dialplan can be generated for the user, and even (optionally) a manager interface access. |
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| 09:11.26 | dramman | is it possible to define a "[xlite]" template in sip.conf, a "[bt-extension]" in mobile.conf and then in users.conf do "[john](xlite,bt-extension)" |
| 09:12.41 | dramman | ...and completely ommit "hassip" etc in the user.conf definition? |
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| 09:18.09 | dramman | Argh! whenever I click "Register with domain and receive incoming calls" in Xlite, asterisk says "Registration from '"John"<sip:john@192.168.1.2>' failed for '192.168.1.4' - No matching peer found" |
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| 09:18.54 | idc-dutch | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.51 | idc-dutch | ghe |
| 09:28.46 | dramman | http://pastebin.com/d3cf30531 |
| 09:30.02 | idc-dutch | Any polycom user/reseller around here? |
| 09:30.12 | idc-dutch | (and active ;) ) |
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| 09:40.06 | friendly12345 | idc-dutch: I'm not a polycom reseller, but why Polycom? |
| 09:41.33 | idc-dutch | I need the latest 3.1 firmware for testing here, but since I'm remote, I don't have the login to around to download it from polycom |
| 09:41.52 | friendly12345 | ah |
| 09:43.34 | idc-dutch | Stupid, but I forgot the usb stick with the firmware on it, so... |
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| 10:13.48 | dramman | TrentCreek: could you please elaborate - I've deleted (cut) the user definition from user.conf and pasted it into sip.conf - AND IT'S WORKING!!! WOOHOO! which brings me back to my question - if I'm forced to create an entry "[john](xlite,bt_extension)" for each user in sip.conf - why would I duplicate all that effort in user.conf? Does asterisk somehow merge [john] from sip.conf, mobile.conf, iax.conf etc with user.conf? |
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| 10:16.11 | kim0 | Hi, I don't know if * supports "video conferencing" ? If so, I am after a hardware solution, any recommended providers ? |
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| 11:01.13 | sw | hi i'm on asterisk 1.2.. I want to play a message when I get a SIP response 402 (payment required), all I found is hangupcause which contains PRI error messages.. those are not as specific as SIP... is there a SIP equivalent ? |
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| 11:12.52 | sheri_rao | can i make a video call over POTS, without internet. i mean using two asterisk boxes across PSTN. |
| 11:14.26 | sheri_rao | anybody can answer my question? can i make a video call over POTS, without internet. i mean using two asterisk boxes across PSTN??? |
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| 11:16.55 | sheri_rao | hello |
| 11:17.58 | sheri_rao | can i make a video call over POTS, i mean connecting two asterisk boxes over PSTN without internet and then make a video call??? |
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| 12:06.40 | cod3hax0r | hello guys |
| 12:06.57 | cod3hax0r | what do i do if i dont have ZAP commands |
| 12:07.03 | cod3hax0r | in asterisk |
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| 12:09.17 | cod3hax0r | anyone here? |
| 12:09.30 | JT | make chan_zap load |
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| 13:52.28 | dramman | Could somebody please help me to get an XLite extension and an engin sip in/out trunk working? |
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| 13:56.04 | dramman | I'm getting "connect() failed (112)", "bind() failed (98)", "connect() failed(22)" |
| 14:04.19 | dramman | seems to be related to the xlite phone |
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| 14:35.41 | ftugrul | hi |
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| 15:57.23 | ThatKidKel | Using the Cisco 7971G-GE.. Is Skinny or SIP Preferred by the masses? |
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| 16:08.56 | inv_arp | ThatKidKel: SIP |
| 16:10.22 | drmessano^ | Skinny is |
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| 16:10.45 | drmessano^ | SCCP works better than SIP on Cisco's |
| 16:10.53 | drmessano^ | More features are supported |
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| 16:11.03 | drmessano^ | the Cisco SIP firmware is notoriously lacking |
| 16:11.31 | ThatKidKel | k.. |
| 16:11.57 | ThatKidKel | so, the skinny that comes with asterisk, or the chan_sccp driver from this http://chan-sccp.berlios.de/ site? |
| 16:14.43 | drmessano^ | That I do not know.. |
| 16:17.00 | [TK]D-Fender | Skinny last I heard |
| 16:17.07 | ThatKidKel | k. |
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| 16:46.04 | nosbig | drmessano^, what features from the Cisco Skinny firmware are missing in the SIP firmware? So far, I haven't found anything that I am using which I needed to use SKinny for... |
| 16:47.33 | mvanbaak | speed, stability, xml push, configuration of speeddials in asterisk |
| 16:54.00 | gr0mit | anyone familiar with any bugs when generating CDRs of clls which have been diverted in response to a sip phone's '302 Moved tomporarily' message? |
| 16:54.19 | gr0mit | All my CDRs for diverted calls show a billsec of 0 |
| 16:54.50 | mvanbaak | and there isn't a new CDR ? |
| 16:54.59 | gr0mit | yes, there are two |
| 16:55.21 | mvanbaak | one with 0 billsec, and one with the actual call length |
| 16:55.28 | gr0mit | one for the incoming leg, and one for the outgoing |
| 16:55.48 | gr0mit | the outgoing call to an external number needs to be billed to my cusyomer |
| 16:56.06 | gr0mit | and the duration is correct but billsec is always zero |
| 16:57.20 | gr0mit | if i do a loop round the houses, by setting the divert to '7777' and then catching 7777 in the same context exten =>7777,1,Dial(Local/<dest number>/n) then the CDR is correct |
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| 16:58.18 | gr0mit | am running on 1.4.18.1 |
| 16:59.20 | gr0mit | any clues, mvanbaak ?? |
| 16:59.22 | mvanbaak | nope |
| 16:59.34 | hardwire | anybody here swear by quintam? |
| 16:59.57 | mvanbaak | gr0mit: we dont do billing. we have ITSP's that do that for us |
| 17:00.07 | gr0mit | hehe |
| 17:00.23 | gr0mit | is an ITSP ! |
| 17:00.42 | mvanbaak | gheh |
| 17:00.59 | mvanbaak | we just do hosted pbx stuff |
| 17:01.01 | gr0mit | is worried he has a revenue leak! |
| 17:01.09 | gr0mit | well i do that |
| 17:01.14 | gr0mit | hosted pbx |
| 17:01.24 | gr0mit | but i als bill my customers |
| 17:01.37 | mvanbaak | ah |
| 17:01.43 | gr0mit | and at the moment i appear not to be billing for any calls they divert! |
| 17:01.46 | gr0mit | ouch! |
| 17:01.53 | mvanbaak | we looked into billing. was too complex to do with the changing rates and stuff |
| 17:01.59 | mvanbaak | OUCH |
| 17:02.18 | mvanbaak | incoming -> divert to Curacao -> FREE CALLS |
| 17:02.25 | gr0mit | shhhh! |
| 17:02.30 | gr0mit | don't tel anyone! |
| 17:02.56 | gr0mit | so - i think we have a bug |
| 17:03.09 | mvanbaak | did you fiddle with the ama flags and stuff ? |
| 17:03.14 | gr0mit | nope |
| 17:03.26 | mvanbaak | dont know if it works though |
| 17:03.53 | gr0mit | i write a lot of stuff into user field for billing purposes |
| 17:04.10 | gr0mit | that bit works, but the duration billsec is borked |
| 17:04.32 | gr0mit | yet if i inject the call as a local channel ending /n then billsec is correct |
| 17:06.30 | mvanbaak | then go that route |
| 17:06.38 | mvanbaak | that's how we do it anywayz |
| 17:07.19 | mvanbaak | ppl here still use the *21 code (used on POTS and ISDN in .nl) to divert their calls |
| 17:07.25 | mvanbaak | so we wrote some agi to handle that |
| 17:07.34 | mvanbaak | and a bunch of macro's that use local channels |
| 17:08.33 | gr0mit | yes - am putting a bunch of extra junk in |
| 17:08.45 | mvanbaak | yeah |
| 17:08.49 | mvanbaak | sometimes you have to :( |
| 17:09.24 | mvanbaak | meh, couple of our switching boxen still run 1.0. just found out engineering did not upgrade them |
| 17:09.33 | gr0mit | eek! |
| 17:09.47 | mvanbaak | ticket was closed: "We cannot handle the possible impact right now. Suspending" |
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| 17:12.15 | gr0mit | well i am trapping calls with local channels in my diaplan, sending them to a goofy prifix, then reinjecting them with a /n suffix |
| 17:12.20 | gr0mit | and the CDRs work |
| 17:12.23 | gr0mit | phew! |
| 17:12.38 | mvanbaak | yup. that's how we do it |
| 17:13.02 | gr0mit | its orrible |
| 17:13.06 | mvanbaak | it is |
| 17:13.07 | mvanbaak | but it works |
| 17:13.12 | gr0mit | seems to! |
| 17:13.23 | gr0mit | needs to finish mowing the lawn before dark. |
| 17:13.27 | gr0mit | back later! |
| 17:13.34 | gr0mit | thanks for youur help |
| 17:18.01 | mvanbaak | have fun |
| 17:18.06 | mvanbaak | and glad it works |
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| 17:26.59 | ThatKidKel | anyone know which version of CUCM chan_skinny is most like? |
| 17:27.14 | ThatKidKel | downloading the software |
| 17:27.20 | [T]ank | i am having an issue with sip registry and making the numbers actually work. here are a few details to get the conversation started: http://pastebin.ca/1206746 |
| 17:27.49 | [T]ank | both numbers register, but when i dial the 4182 number i get an error |
| 17:27.55 | [T]ank | which is in that pastebin |
| 17:28.00 | [T]ank | can anyone assist? |
| 17:28.16 | [T]ank | does not make sense why two numbers from the same server are registered, but only one shows a connected peer. |
| 17:29.05 | [T]ank | i am adding sip.conf details currently, will post them in a sec. |
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| 17:29.50 | mvanbaak_ | ThatKidKel: what phones you want to connect to asterisk using skinny |
| 17:30.41 | [T]ank | http://pastebin.ca/1206747 |
| 17:30.48 | [T]ank | any ideas? |
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| 17:42.26 | glaz | quick question, I have cisco 7940 SIP phones, I did setup a queue here, is it possible to log in as an agent? |
| 17:44.24 | [TK]D-Fender | glaz: Yes. This has nothing to do with what kind of phone you have |
| 17:45.33 | [TK]D-Fender | [t]ank : First change both to "type=peer". Test. Then comment out 1 reg and test. Then do the same for the other. |
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| 17:53.25 | [T]ank | added insecure=very and it did it. thanks all |
| 17:54.37 | glaz | [TK]D-Fender: ok, I found that I have to use services_url in my SIPDefault.conf file |
| 17:54.45 | glaz | but it calls a xml file over http |
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| 17:54.54 | glaz | I'm trying to find this file atm. |
| 17:54.57 | glaz | can't find it. |
| 17:55.09 | EmleyMoor | I am trying to get my Nokia N95 connected in different circumstances. |
| 17:55.10 | [TK]D-Fender | glaz : that does not inherently have anything to do with Queues though |
| 17:55.36 | EmleyMoor | I need STUN sometimes, mustn't have it at others, and there are times it doesn't matter |
| 17:55.41 | [TK]D-Fender | glaz : or are you just attacking 10 problems at once and never letting us know when you're on a completely different topic? |
| 17:55.47 | sw | hi i'm on asterisk 1.2.. I want to play a message when I get a SIP response 402 (payment required), all I found is hangupcause which contains PRI error messages.. those are not as specific as SIP... is there a SIP equivalent ? |
| 17:56.13 | EmleyMoor | I can't work out how to achieve such a setup - I have the settings tool |
| 17:56.33 | [TK]D-Fender | sw : When does this message arrive, and how has * processed the call up to that point? |
| 17:57.11 | sw | [TK]D-Fender, when i'm dialing but no credit left on my voip provider account |
| 17:57.18 | glaz | [TK]D-Fender: I am trying to log in as an Agent |
| 17:57.27 | glaz | So i will be able to use queues |
| 17:57.31 | [TK]D-Fender | sw : pastebin a failed call's SIP debug |
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| 17:57.51 | sheri_rao | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.57 | [TK]D-Fender | glaz : this is done through the dialplan, not XML |
| 17:58.23 | StephenF | What are everyone's favorite SIP phones for SMB applications? |
| 17:58.51 | glaz | [TK]D-Fender: like, dialing an extention that will ask me for user/pass ? |
| 17:59.40 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF : Polycom > all |
| 17:59.47 | [TK]D-Fender | glaz : yes |
| 18:00.33 | StephenF | [TK]D-Fender: Really... That's what i've been seeing. Polycom seems to be the most popular for * implementations. I've also seen alot of Aastra |
| 18:00.34 | glaz | [TK]D-Fender: do you know where I can find an example of this? or do you know the extension.conf command I need to use? |
| 18:00.54 | [TK]D-Fender | glaz : "core show applications like queue" <- * CLI |
| 18:01.00 | StephenF | [TK]D-Fender: what do you like better about the polycom devices as opposed to other brands |
| 18:01.37 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF : Aastra is "OK", but has a number of disliked characteristics which ranks them lower |
| 18:02.05 | glaz | [TK]D-Fender: thanks. |
| 18:03.27 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF : Cisco has the best FEELING phone (in your hands). Polycom is a close second. Aastra's base & handset have NO weight and thigs pull & drag around a lot. Polycom's audio quality is unmatched. Polycom is much more complex to learn to configure from the start, but much more powerful once you pass the curve. |
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| 18:04.08 | sw | [TK]D-Fender, http://pastebin.ca/1206762 is it possible to interact regarding the SIP error 402.. i'm only aware of dialstatus and hangupcause |
| 18:04.32 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF : I've got a small pile of complaints about Aastra when comparing to Polycom. I usually rank Linksys higher than Aastra for basic use, but Aastra's BLF key handling IS awesome. |
| 18:05.05 | StephenF | [TK]D-Fender: interesting, thanks for the feedback. You cant really get that kind of information comparing the products online |
| 18:05.15 | drmessano^ | Linksys uses the same handset as Cisco |
| 18:05.28 | [TK]D-Fender | sw: when during the call do you actually get this message? |
| 18:05.32 | baliktad | have a new centOS 5.2 system with * 1.4, if I load zaptel, all sounds playback with a horrible stutter (voice and moh are fine). Any ideas? |
| 18:05.47 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano : not the 94X series... |
| 18:05.49 | StephenF | The Polycom Soundpoint IP 430 look outdated as far as styling, thats weird |
| 18:05.59 | StephenF | why dont they match the rest of their product lines styling? |
| 18:06.00 | sw | [TK]D-Fender, immediately after the dial, it hangs up on me immediately since i have no credit left |
| 18:06.23 | drmessano^ | I have a 7940 I use at work all day long, and it's the same as my 941 handset at home |
| 18:06.30 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF : IP 430/50X/30X are very rarely recommended. |
| 18:06.37 | StephenF | ahh |
| 18:06.39 | StephenF | are they older? |
| 18:07.03 | drmessano^ | Well, the LED stripe is different |
| 18:07.08 | baliktad | as long as I disable zaptel module, all sounds play perfectly |
| 18:07.13 | StephenF | so you like the 320, 330, 501 and up then |
| 18:07.26 | StephenF | or sorry 550 and up |
| 18:07.27 | drmessano^ | I'd say they use the same mold for the plastic, same weight |
| 18:07.35 | [TK]D-Fender | SstephenF : Yes. IP 320/330 for base users, IP 650 for receptioninst IP 550 for bosses who want something nicer but to save a few $ on the 650 (I almost wouldn't bother, and just get them 650's) |
| 18:07.54 | StephenF | drmessano^: lol your right the shape i identical, its mostly the buttons that are different |
| 18:08.14 | sw | [TK]D-Fender, oh btw do you know what the USB plug in the back of the 650 is for ? |
| 18:08.52 | [TK]D-Fender | sw : Directory memory expansion, future use (possibly Wifi, etc) and so on. I think its more of a growth thing. |
| 18:09.40 | bkw_ | I need to open a bug on mantis.. Asterisk uses the wrong codec on a re-invite when the answer doesn't contain said codec. |
| 18:09.52 | bkw_ | has anyone else seen this? |
| 18:09.54 | StephenF | So what kind of applications/benefits can you get with the larger LCD displays like on the 550 and 650 |
| 18:10.25 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF : The XML MicroBrowser. live feed on Idle, interactive services on demand |
| 18:10.50 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF : and of course better UI for general call processing. More readble fonts, etc |
| 18:11.26 | StephenF | ahh ok, better for call processing which is why it is key for a receptionist, |
| 18:11.42 | glaz | [TK]D-Fender: do you know where I can find an example of a dialplan for an agent login? |
| 18:11.44 | StephenF | have you evern used one of the expansion modules, or something software based like HUD or HUDlite |
| 18:11.56 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF : Actually All polycoms have the same capabilities, its a question of how many line-keys & what expansion. |
| 18:11.59 | drmessano^ | Dont say Hud or Hudlite in here |
| 18:12.08 | drmessano^ | That cause for being stabbed |
| 18:12.09 | StephenF | gotcha |
| 18:12.12 | drmessano^ | Thats* |
| 18:12.12 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF : Call handling is what Polycom KILLS everyone else on. |
| 18:12.19 | StephenF | lol, really? Is HUD no good? |
| 18:12.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Glaz : Go read the apps intructions & the book. |
| 18:12.35 | drmessano^ | Hudlite is absolute crap |
| 18:12.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Glaz : and go play around. |
| 18:12.41 | drmessano^ | Uses an IRCd for a backend |
| 18:12.57 | drmessano^ | Can you say "weekend hack project" |
| 18:12.57 | StephenF | man, thats too bad it looked really cool |
| 18:13.18 | StephenF | are there any other similar products that integrate with Asterisk? |
| 18:13.27 | drmessano^ | I like astassistant |
| 18:13.27 | glaz | what is the book url again? |
| 18:13.31 | ThatKidKel | so i get my cisco 7971g to register with the * box.. chan_skinny.. after i dial a number, it only gives me a dialtone.. even though on the console i see asterisk stepping through the dialplan |
| 18:13.33 | ThatKidKel | any suggestions? |
| 18:15.21 | StephenF | drmessano^: intersting |
| 18:15.42 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 18:15.43 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, book is Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com or see ~buybook |
| 18:18.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Dammit, my Chatzilla auto-complete is broken. It'll suggest, but never match or type it.. anygot a hint? |
| 18:19.03 | [TK]D-Fender | anyone* |
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| 18:32.33 | StephenF | that fix it? |
| 18:33.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Yup |
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| 18:33.36 | [TK]D-Fender | I won't bother diggin too deep on this one. Just happy I don't have to type people's names in full. |
| 18:37.03 | RB2 | Afternoon. |
| 18:37.31 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: Is somewhere I'm sure :) |
| 18:37.39 | RB2 | ;) |
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| 18:38.20 | RB2 | Things are going pretty well with the Asterisk setup, I'm just trying to figure out why the SIP trunk doesn't seem to allow incoming calls. I have something wrong somewhere. |
| 18:39.30 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: go enable SIP debug in * CLI and look at why it says it failed. |
| 18:39.35 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: Pastebin is your friend. |
| 18:41.07 | RB2 | :) ok, just got a call. brb |
| 18:41.21 | mvanbaak | so you arsteris IS working ;) |
| 18:41.47 | RB2 | hahah on the pots line :-P |
| 18:46.20 | StephenF | So do you guys do any kind of QoS, or VLANing, or seperate lans with a SMB solution with say 5 phones |
| 18:47.15 | StephenF | or is it pretty safe to run data and voice on one 100/mb network |
| 18:47.26 | StephenF | with such a small number of users |
| 18:48.41 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF: for general use you can just slap it all on the same network. |
| 18:48.53 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF: Though I typically suggest a separate physical LAN |
| 18:49.21 | StephenF | hmm, not like its to hard, just need another switch. |
| 18:49.31 | drmessano^ | You only have 5 phones |
| 18:49.36 | StephenF | yeah for now |
| 18:49.41 | drmessano^ | How many are you planning? |
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| 18:49.47 | StephenF | 5 |
| 18:49.58 | StephenF | up to 10 probably |
| 18:50.09 | StephenF | right now there are five users |
| 18:50.12 | drmessano^ | I still don't see the need for a seperate lan |
| 18:50.20 | drmessano^ | Above that.. maybe after 15 |
| 18:50.49 | StephenF | yea, I think our bottleneck will be WAN bandwith before LAN |
| 18:50.56 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano^: Separate LAN is what I'd recommend to leave WS's on their own and be able to gr IP 320's with no passthrough and use that $ to pay for the PoE Switch |
| 18:51.17 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF: unless your WS use a LOT of BW it isn't going to matter really |
| 18:51.39 | StephenF | yeah they wont, just standard file sharing, and internet access |
| 18:51.48 | drmessano^ | I don't disagree.. I think VLAN is a bad idea if you need to segment.. If you hit 15 phones, go seperate |
| 18:53.01 | drmessano^ | I'm all for a seperate PoE phone switch for a good sized rollout.. but 5 to 10 phones could run with 5 to 10 WS on even a $150 24 port linksys |
| 18:53.23 | StephenF | ^ thats the plan at this point |
| 18:53.44 | StephenF | we are trying to keep initial costs low, because we are moving into a new suite. |
| 18:54.45 | drmessano^ | I would say though that if you plan an explansion above 10, you need to factor in the segmenting of the network.. You'll hit 14 phones, add 2 more, start seeing jitter, and wonder WTF is going on, then have no plans to buy a switch |
| 18:54.48 | drmessano^ | Classic |
| 18:55.26 | StephenF | drmessano^: I think we will cable the suite with double data ports so that we can easily segment it in the future |
| 18:55.39 | StephenF | just add another switch and move the patches over |
| 18:55.43 | drmessano^ | Good ole fashioned "Forget that right now.. Lets add this one more to get it up and running and worry about it next time" |
| 18:55.50 | drmessano^ | and next time never happens |
| 18:55.58 | drmessano^ | lol |
| 18:56.05 | StephenF | yea |
| 18:56.20 | StephenF | I know what you mean, we are an IT service provider. see that every day |
| 18:56.29 | drmessano^ | Same here |
| 18:56.41 | drmessano^ | We handle managed services for a few hundred businesses |
| 18:56.51 | StephenF | nice, where abouts? |
| 18:57.17 | drmessano^ | Augusta, GA and vicinity.. Have clients as far away as Arkansas, although the company base for them is here |
| 18:57.23 | StephenF | drmessano^: Im assuming you use * in your office too, do you do anything MSP related with your box? |
| 18:57.35 | StephenF | Very cool, were in San Jose, CA |
| 18:58.54 | drmessano^ | No, we do VERY little phone work.. I do all of our minor POTS work that we don't outsource.. Fixing a fax line here, troubleshooting a remote office with a single pots line, some company CEO's vacation home, etc |
| 18:59.11 | drmessano^ | But no Asterisk as of yet.. We've rolled a few Cisco boxes |
| 18:59.18 | drmessano^ | *fun* |
| 18:59.24 | glaz | I'm trying to find a services.xml example for the Cisco 7940 Phone, Can anyone help? |
| 18:59.26 | StephenF | UC500? |
| 18:59.29 | drmessano^ | Yeah |
| 18:59.36 | StephenF | how do you like those |
| 18:59.38 | RB2 | [TK]D-Fender, how do I turn on the SIP debugging? |
| 19:00.38 | drmessano^ | They work.. they're reliable.. I think an * box could offer a client much more functionality, but for replacing an aging PBX or their first foray from 4 line phones to a PBX, they're not bad |
| 19:01.19 | StephenF | nice, I've been through their sale and engineer training for the UC500 but havent ever actually deplyed on |
| 19:01.28 | StephenF | *deployed one |
| 19:01.38 | drmessano^ | It's one of those things where umm |
| 19:02.19 | drmessano^ | If you ask a client what they want in a PBX, it offers pretty much all of it.. They're not missing anything they KNOW of.. |
| 19:02.38 | StephenF | right |
| 19:02.43 | Qwell | ~phones |
| 19:02.44 | jbot | i guess phones is http://bani.anime.net/phones/. While personal preference will dictate which phone works best for you, general consensus on a rough order of quality and suggestibility is as follows: Polycom (any), Aastra 480i, Aastra 5i Series, Cisco 7940+, Linksys SPA-9XX, Snom, and finally everything else. Do not consider Grandstream phones. Ever. places like such as |
| 19:02.44 | Qwell | hmm |
| 19:02.44 | drmessano^ | Whereas with Asterisk, they could do more.. stuff they didn't know existed |
| 19:03.03 | drmessano^ | I guess that's why it's popular |
| 19:03.17 | drmessano^ | It offers the well known functions and says "Cisco" |
| 19:03.20 | StephenF | yeah, so customizable, and it does everything |
| 19:03.29 | StephenF | * I mean |
| 19:03.41 | drmessano^ | I right |
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| 19:03.44 | drmessano^ | -i |
| 19:03.56 | drmessano^ | It's like giving someone a Linksys router |
| 19:04.05 | drmessano^ | It works, routes, forwards some ports, gives them a wireless thingo |
| 19:04.06 | RB2 | [TK]D-Fender, nvm, figured it out. I'm pretty sure it's the trunk configuration because the call never is received by asterisk. |
| 19:04.43 | StephenF | yup, gets the job done |
| 19:04.45 | StephenF | So how well will a PIV 2.8GHz, 512mb Dell box do for a 5-10 user * system? |
| 19:05.33 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF: way more than enough. |
| 19:05.45 | drmessano^ | I'd up the RAM just because 512MB ram irks me like 128MB did about 3 years ago (good, but not quite) |
| 19:05.52 | [TK]D-Fender | StephenF: You would do fine on a 100$ used high-end P3 |
| 19:05.57 | drmessano^ | True |
| 19:06.36 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm going to pick up on my blogging for phone selection methodology, etc. |
| 19:07.09 | drmessano^ | IMO, a 2.8GHZ box with 1GB Ram, which is not an uncommon scenario, is a good box for 20 to 25 users |
| 19:07.16 | ThatKidKel | does anyone have some good documentation for cisco 7971g-ge and chan_skinny? i cannot make the dialtone go away after dialing a number.. |
| 19:07.25 | jaytee | title it "Welcome to Hell! Here's your GXP-2000" |
| 19:07.28 | drmessano^ | Unless you're transcoding like crazy |
| 19:07.43 | mvanbaak | OpenSolaris .... |
| 19:07.49 | mvanbaak | it's booted, and I'm on irc |
| 19:07.51 | mvanbaak | hurray |
| 19:07.52 | drmessano^ | jaytee: I run a callcenter with GXP-2000s |
| 19:08.09 | drmessano^ | I think its running well.. cant really tell |
| 19:08.20 | drmessano^ | Everytime I call for a status, the calls keep breaking up |
| 19:08.21 | drmessano^ | :( |
| 19:08.28 | mvanbaak | the latest GXP-2000 is pretty ok |
| 19:08.47 | mvanbaak | still budget hardware, but it's been worse |
| 19:08.48 | drmessano^ | You're not allowed to say that in here |
| 19:09.06 | drmessano^ | Grandstreams are not OK unless they're running Skype |
| 19:09.21 | mvanbaak | it all depends on where you want to put them |
| 19:09.29 | mvanbaak | dont put them on your CEO's desk |
| 19:09.32 | StephenF | Alright cool, I thought it would be great for 5-10 users and give us the expansion possibility if we ever needed it. The box was only $130 |
| 19:09.33 | jaytee | drmessano^, my boss bought 4 when we first started testing *. Had nothing but headaches. Still use two that work "ok" with a firmware update but we're not buying more. |
| 19:09.38 | drmessano^ | Oh I will tell you where to put them |
| 19:09.44 | mvanbaak | but the interms dont get a 400 $ phone |
| 19:09.48 | drmessano^ | lol |
| 19:09.50 | mvanbaak | drmessano^: lol |
| 19:10.16 | mvanbaak | drmessano^: I already have a couple of HT-286 ATA's there ;) |
| 19:11.03 | drmessano^ | heathen |
| 19:11.07 | mvanbaak | anyone here going from Amsterdam to Phoenix ? |
| 19:11.12 | drmessano^ | What kind of polycommunist are you? |
| 19:11.29 | mvanbaak | or from Chicago to Phoenix on monday ? |
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| 19:12.40 | mvanbaak | 17:12 plane from Chicago to PHX |
| 19:12.48 | mvanbaak | lufthansa/united-airlines |
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| 19:15.40 | StephenF | mvanbaak: are you trying to sell a plane ticket? |
| 19:15.53 | mvanbaak | no, looking for company |
| 19:16.13 | StephenF | ahh |
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| 19:32.57 | RB2 | I have 2 SIP trunks and Polycom 650s. Is it possible to setup my extension so the first two lines are 1 SIP trunk and add 2 more that are another SIP trunk? |
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| 19:36.44 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: typically with * in the middle, your phone has nothing to do with whatever conenctivity you have to the PSTN. |
| 19:37.21 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: And yes you can have your phone register each "line" separately and mix & match the line-keys you give them accordingly. |
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| 19:38.24 | RB2 | [TK]D-Fender, I'm looking for an easy way for a user to select an outbound service and/or discern which trunk the call is coming in on |
| 19:38.43 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: that is an option |
| 19:39.07 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: You could also prefix the callerid, and use prefixes to manually select which resource to use dialing out, etc |
| 19:39.16 | RB2 | Can that be done via the EndPoint Manager or do I need to manually edit the config files? |
| 19:39.35 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: most of the time users want * to look at what you're dialing an choose for you based on what you deem best |
| 19:39.49 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: What "endpoint manager"? Asterisk has no such thing |
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| 19:40.01 | RB2 | [TK]D-Fender, I figured I would use prefixes as a intermediary step. |
| 19:40.17 | RB2 | [TK]D-Fender, well trixbox does. |
| 19:40.25 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: Prefixes are an option, and not a necessary one, but good to have for manual control. |
| 19:40.34 | Qwell | oh boy |
| 19:40.36 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: Then go ask in the Trixbox channel. It is not supported here |
| 19:40.50 | RB2 | ok, I'll hop over and ask them. |
| 19:40.59 | Qwell | it's dead there, don't expect much |
| 19:41.07 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: From what little I've seen, they did as little as possible in creating it. |
| 19:41.40 | Qwell | I'm writing an open letter to Cisco... anybody have anything they want me to add? :p |
| 19:41.50 | Qwell | mvanbaak: ? |
| 19:41.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Just about every phone provisioning script I've run into looks like crap. |
| 19:42.08 | RB2 | [TK]D-Fender, that's what it looks like. It works really well, but is very limited. |
| 19:42.32 | drmessano^ | It works really well, but is very limited. |
| 19:42.37 | drmessano^ | What does that even mean? |
| 19:42.44 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: "Stop sucking so much you Firmware-lisence-Nazis and cooperate with Asterisk!" |
| 19:42.53 | drmessano^ | "It makes files 100% of the time, but not much in them" |
| 19:42.54 | Qwell | [TK]D-Fender: that's rant 1 and 2, yeah |
| 19:43.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: Ok, that'll do for now :) |
| 19:44.44 | RB2 | Qwell, you weren't kidding. It really is dead over there. |
| 19:46.03 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: Feel free to configure them yourself like the rest of us do. |
| 19:49.16 | mvanbaak | lol Qwell |
| 19:49.21 | mvanbaak | Qwell: what's it about ? |
| 19:49.51 | Qwell | random bs |
| 19:49.52 | mvanbaak | they should hand me a couple of those nice cisco video phones so we can get them to work with asterisk |
| 19:50.03 | Qwell | mostly licensing and third-party systems |
| 19:50.05 | Qwell | and skinny.. |
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| 19:50.23 | mvanbaak | oh, and a bunch of 7921 and 7970's |
| 19:50.25 | RB2 | [TK]D-Fender, that's what I'm going to do. I prefer the command-line anyway. |
| 19:50.47 | glaz | I want to set a variable as the number I type on my phone keypad. SetVar($????) |
| 19:50.54 | glaz | what variable am I looking for ? |
| 19:51.13 | mvanbaak | glaz: Read() |
| 19:51.19 | glaz | thanks |
| 19:51.49 | glaz | well, it's not read, read() will read the numbers |
| 19:52.10 | mvanbaak | Qwell: just add that you want the internal docs about how the skinny protocol works |
| 19:52.18 | Qwell | indeed :p |
| 19:52.21 | glaz | I want to dial an extension than it asks me for a username, I enter 1234, i want the variable to be set to 1234. |
| 19:52.44 | mvanbaak | glaz: read() |
| 19:52.57 | Qwell | I talked to a Cisco engineer this week at itexpo.. he said they use Wireshark internally, but they run into problems all the time because the implementation isn't complete... and they aren't allowed to contribute changes back to wireshark |
| 19:53.29 | mvanbaak | Qwell: thats sad |
| 19:54.20 | mvanbaak | a skinny protocol doc will help there as well ;) |
| 19:54.59 | mvanbaak | Qwell: btw, checkout this work from wedhorn on the config rewrite |
| 19:55.01 | mvanbaak | it's nice |
| 19:55.07 | mvanbaak | I have it running in production now |
| 19:55.47 | mvanbaak | and, it opens the door for realtime-skinny support |
| 19:59.56 | glaz | mvanbaak: works, thanks. |
| 20:00.18 | mvanbaak | :) |
| 20:00.22 | mvanbaak | you're welcome |
| 20:01.04 | StephenF | hmm, looks like voicepulse updated their website |
| 20:01.59 | [T]ank | is there anyone here able to send me a fax so I can test my work? I am in the US. |
| 20:06.56 | ThatKidKel | anyone see a problem with this? http://www.pastebin.ca/1206833 |
| 20:07.37 | glaz | any cmd that can read a file? not textualy but let say my file has lines similar to 1111,2222,3333 |
| 20:08.04 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: nope |
| 20:08.05 | glaz | using , as the seperator and having a variable set to each record |
| 20:08.23 | ThatKidKel | mvanbaak.. any idea as to why the phone's dialtone never goes away? |
| 20:08.57 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: try to add: exten => 411,n,Wait(1) after the Answer |
| 20:09.32 | ThatKidKel | k. can do.. however, why can't i get it to stop after pressing the first digit (ie. 4)? |
| 20:10.36 | mvanbaak | hhmm |
| 20:10.46 | mvanbaak | what phone |
| 20:10.50 | ThatKidKel | 7971 |
| 20:10.53 | RB2 | Forget the trixbox provisioning, I'm gonna' do it by hand. Does anyone have a pointer to a good document on the configuration files? |
| 20:11.09 | mvanbaak | ~book |
| 20:11.12 | jbot | book is, like, Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com or see ~buybook |
| 20:11.16 | jaytee | RB2, for polycom's? |
| 20:11.38 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: I never got one of those to play with |
| 20:11.39 | mvanbaak | sorry |
| 20:11.45 | RB2 | jaytee, yeah. |
| 20:11.46 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: www.polycom.com |
| 20:11.49 | mvanbaak | my 7960 and 7905 work great |
| 20:11.57 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: Go download the admin guide for your firmware |
| 20:12.08 | ThatKidKel | mvanbaak.. and you are using chan_skinny? |
| 20:12.13 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: yup |
| 20:12.28 | ThatKidKel | mvanbaak.. care to share one of your phone definitions? |
| 20:12.30 | ThatKidKel | from skinny.conf |
| 20:12.31 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: And I advise starting with their sample configs that come bundled along with it |
| 20:12.47 | RB2 | [TK]D-Fender, ok, thanks. Sorry for asking so many newb questions. ;) |
| 20:12.56 | jaytee | RB2, use the Polycom Admin guide for your version of the SIP firmware and also download the Configuration File Management on Soundpoint IP Phones.pdf whitepaper. |
| 20:13.28 | jaytee | my Polycoms didn't come with sample configs |
| 20:14.13 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: http://pastebin.ca/1206841 |
| 20:14.28 | ThatKidKel | mvanbaak.. also, what version for firmware are you running 8.4? |
| 20:14.36 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: office == 7960 and livingroom == 7805 |
| 20:14.45 | mvanbaak | s/78/79/ |
| 20:15.03 | ThatKidKel | i figured |
| 20:15.37 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: 7960: Version 8.0(9.0) |
| 20:15.55 | ThatKidKel | i wonder if i'm running too new of a version |
| 20:16.00 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: 7905: Software Version8.0.3(070409A) |
| 20:16.23 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: all phones have their own versions |
| 20:17.05 | ThatKidKel | the download site says, "Compatiable with CUCM versions x, x, x" which version of cucm is chan_skinny most like? |
| 20:17.45 | [TK]D-Fender | RB2: there is also a decent guide on the WIKI for provisioning Polycom's as well |
| 20:17.55 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: no idea |
| 20:18.27 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: we code chan_skinny based on feedback and reverse engineering packetdumps from ppl |
| 20:18.49 | mvanbaak | ThatKidKel: and based on how our own phones respond to what we code |
| 20:19.27 | ThatKidKel | you want some packetdump? |
| 20:19.54 | mvanbaak | you have cucm ? |
| 20:20.01 | ThatKidKel | no |
| 20:20.08 | ThatKidKel | not here anyways |
| 20:20.10 | ThatKidKel | i'm at home |
| 20:24.07 | Wayhigh | has some nasty funk today.. layin' down the death biscuits |
| 20:24.20 | Wayhigh | :) wrong chan :) |
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| 20:37.26 | ThatKidKel | mvanbaak.. apparently the 8.4 firmware doesn't agree with Asterisk |
| 20:37.31 | ThatKidKel | went down to 8.0 and it works.. |
| 20:42.59 | drmessano^ | Wayhigh: Stop talking about Asterisk.. Off topic here |
| 20:48.28 | mvanbaak_ | ThatKidKel: hhmm |
| 20:48.34 | [T]ank | has anyone here been successful with t38 pass through in 1.4? |
| 20:48.55 | [T]ank | i am setting up an ATA to a fax machine and trying to get a fax to go through. |
| 20:49.17 | mvanbaak_ | [T]ank: and the ATA does t38 ? |
| 20:50.53 | [T]ank | YES |
| 20:50.56 | [T]ank | yes |
| 20:51.05 | StephenF | anyone have any experience with Voice Network Inc., they have unl. incoming DID for $3.95/mo |
| 20:51.12 | [T]ank | it is a grandstream handytone 386 |
| 20:51.31 | mvanbaak_ | ah, a grandsuck |
| 20:51.46 | [T]ank | StephenF: what is their outbound rate? |
| 20:52.01 | mvanbaak_ | [T]ank: the only thing I got to work is to set the ata to allow ulaw only, and send the fax in ulaw directly to the isdn line |
| 20:52.04 | mvanbaak_ | pri/bri |
| 20:52.29 | StephenF | [T]ank: US = $0.015, but I'm not using them for outbound |
| 20:52.38 | [T]ank | thats pretty good. |
| 20:52.55 | StephenF | yeah it is |
| 20:53.09 | [T]ank | i have been paying a flat rate of .020 with binfone for about 2.5 years now. been happy with them. |
| 20:53.13 | StephenF | but I have no clue on their quality, service, or anything else. Just found em on google |
| 20:53.49 | mvanbaak_ | we pay .012 for national calls |
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| 20:54.53 | mvanbaak_ | and we pay 0,0168 for US |
| 20:55.14 | [T]ank | mwandbaak_: who are you with? |
| 20:55.49 | mvanbaak_ | 12connect |
| 20:56.25 | StephenF | I'm thinking of using Voice Pulse for my outgoing, < $0.005 - $0.019/min for the US, but incoming DID's are $11/mo unlimited min |
| 20:57.48 | mvanbaak_ | StephenF: we pay EUR 7.50/month for a USA did |
| 20:58.11 | StephenF | pretty close |
| 20:58.33 | mvanbaak_ | yeah |
| 20:58.33 | StephenF | I just dont need "unlimted" i would pay less if I had the same incoming rates as outgoing |
| 20:58.55 | mvanbaak_ | I dont get the idea of 'unlimited incoming' |
| 20:59.02 | mvanbaak_ | I mean, you have a did |
| 20:59.12 | mvanbaak_ | who cares how many ppl are calling you |
| 20:59.23 | mvanbaak_ | only the calling party has to pay for the minutes |
| 20:59.28 | drmessano^ | Anyone here use CarrieXchange? |
| 20:59.46 | mvanbaak_ | or is it 'unlimited' as in unlimited concurrent calls ? |
| 21:00.02 | StephenF | unlimited minutes |
| 21:00.18 | mvanbaak_ | you have to pay for incoming minutes in the USA ? |
| 21:00.30 | drmessano^ | Depends on the plan |
| 21:00.42 | mvanbaak_ | that is evil |
| 21:00.43 | StephenF | ^ exactly |
| 21:00.52 | mvanbaak_ | that means they are getting twice the minutes |
| 21:00.59 | drmessano^ | You can get an unlimited inbound DID for $6.99 a month |
| 21:01.05 | StephenF | drmessano^: where is that at? |
| 21:01.10 | mvanbaak_ | the calling party pays for the minutes, and the receiving party as well |
| 21:01.19 | mvanbaak_ | that's not fair |
| 21:01.51 | mvanbaak_ | having to pay for incoming calls is crazy |
| 21:03.01 | mvanbaak_ | if a provider here in .nl would dare to ask that, they will be out of business in a week |
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| 21:04.09 | henkoegema | q |
| 21:04.23 | drmessano^ | Im trying to figure out a good way to sell phone service to my parents without going overboard |
| 21:04.56 | simNIX | Im looking at getting budgetphone; they offer for 10 euro a year that you have a number you can be called on |
| 21:05.16 | drmessano^ | My parents pay.. Get this.. |
| 21:05.38 | mvanbaak_ | simNIX: that's cheap |
| 21:05.43 | drmessano^ | $70 a month for phone service |
| 21:05.52 | mvanbaak_ | simNIX: I pay 30 euro/year for a local number |
| 21:05.55 | StephenF | wow |
| 21:06.10 | drmessano^ | $22 of that is unlimited long distance with AT&T |
| 21:06.11 | simNIX | is in nl |
| 21:06.35 | mvanbaak_ | simNIX: yup, in .nl |
| 21:06.58 | mvanbaak_ | I have a 0318 number now, and next month I'll be moving to DenHaag so I'll get a 070 |
| 21:07.18 | drmessano^ | I'm thinking about signing them up with Callcentric for a local DID |
| 21:07.42 | drmessano^ | Then checking their minutes to see what the termination needs to be priced at |
| 21:08.06 | drmessano^ | Setting up a couple PAP2s and saying goodbye to Bell |
| 21:08.13 | simNIX | http://www.budgetphone.nl/shop/index.php?cPath=28&osCsid=c18ed4bdcc49cf11f1b9a5a50534c471 |
| 21:08.46 | drmessano^ | Flowroute needs to hurry up and get some East Coast DIDs ;) |
| 21:08.56 | mvanbaak_ | I'm off to bed |
| 21:09.07 | simNIX | sleepwel |
| 21:11.29 | drmessano^ | wow |
| 21:12.05 | drmessano^ | Their cable company has a cable/internet/unlimited phone bundle for $119 |
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| 21:35.32 | RB2 | hehe, I updated the logo on the phone, but apparently it didn't like it. Now there's no logo at all. |
| 21:56.05 | jblack | 'We promise we're not going to suck the earth into a black hole. Though the LHC breaks weekly, taking millions to fix shouldn't be taken as an indication that we don't really know what we're doing' |
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| 22:03.45 | surrogat2000 | hi everybody. i've got a problem with zaptel and sending dtmf-tones. I'm doing a call from a sipphone to the world out there using zaphfc (chan_zap). everything is fine except i can't send a dtmf tone. when i'm trying to, the dtmf on sip is recognized (log), but then i get a "couldn't dial digit 1". :( |
| 22:05.39 | surrogat2000 | nobody got an idea what to do? |
| 22:06.27 | EmleyMoor | just tracked down an annoying dialplan bug |
| 22:08.04 | surrogat2000 | is there really nobody who ever heard about this problem? |
| 22:08.11 | EmleyMoor | I had somehow deleted a label from my "permission to call" macro |
| 22:08.39 | EmleyMoor | surrogat2000: What DTMF mode are you using? |
| 22:09.09 | surrogat2000 | i use sip_info |
| 22:09.31 | jaytee | try RFC2833 |
| 22:09.47 | surrogat2000 | ok i try |
| 22:12.11 | surrogat2000 | nothing changes |
| 22:13.49 | drmessano^ | jblack: The black hole is the funding |
| 22:17.50 | surrogat2000 | no other ideas, what can cause this problem? |
| 22:40.23 | baliktad | drmessano^ why do you care about flowroute when you could just use les.net or callcentric |
| 22:42.16 | *** join/#asterisk GlobeTrotter (n=GlobeTro@190.34.147.66) |
| 22:42.40 | GlobeTrotter | hey guys,, is there a zap show stauts in asterisk 1.6? |
| 22:42.54 | Qwell | GlobeTrotter: it's dahdi now |
| 22:43.15 | mchou | who's your dahdi!! |
| 22:44.59 | drmessano^ | baliktad: Why not? |
| 22:45.29 | GlobeTrotter | dahdi is not working for me |
| 22:45.35 | GlobeTrotter | do i run this at the cli? |
| 22:46.38 | Qwell | Do you have dahdi installed? |
| 22:47.09 | ManxPower | noobs should not be using DAHDI |
| 22:47.26 | GlobeTrotter | ah ok,, so i install dahdi instead of zaptel? |
| 22:47.54 | ManxPower | GlobeTrotter: why are you trying to use dahdi? |
| 22:49.47 | GlobeTrotter | 1.6 is installed and i have the ports configured via the gui,.,. but when the calls from pstn come into the box they are not detected by the pbx |
| 22:50.15 | ManxPower | You mean 1.6 pre-release, of course. |
| 22:50.19 | GlobeTrotter | so i wanted to runa few zap commnds to see what was going on.. but now you tell me that i need dahdi instead\ |
| 22:50.29 | GlobeTrotter | yes |
| 22:50.43 | ManxPower | GlobeTrotter: you'll have quite a bit of trouble getting help with DAHDI. |
| 22:52.09 | GlobeTrotter | ok,, thanks guys |
| 22:59.53 | *** join/#asterisk s0lid (n=s0lid@124.106.245.161) |
| 23:09.43 | GlobeTrotter | do i need to install zaptel and dahdi,, or only dahdi? |
| 23:10.57 | *** join/#asterisk drmessano^ (n=nonya@c-76-125-29-30.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 23:13.41 | seanbright | one or the other |
| 23:13.44 | seanbright | not both |
| 23:15.41 | GlobeTrotter | kool |
| 23:30.32 | jaytee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuZkQvQGIS8 lol :-) |
| 23:30.32 | *** join/#asterisk xpl (i=xpl@84.126.212.17.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 23:34.03 | Qwell | xpl: I can't help you. Ask here. |
| 23:34.09 | xpl | ok thanks |
| 23:35.12 | xpl | who know's who can i configure the asterisk to send with vonage proxy sip SMS on the cell phone's ? i will pay for the informacion/configuracion . |
| 23:35.14 | [TK]D-Fender | xpl: And stop PMing people like that, its quite rude |
| 23:35.23 | xpl | :P |
| 23:35.43 | xpl | [TK]D-Fender: okay man sorry |
| 23:52.24 | jaytee | I've been reading through the Polycom configuration guide and I'm just amazed at all the options but I can't figure out how to set it to adjust the one of the features so I get slightly lighter or darker toast? |
| 23:53.39 | RB2 | [TK]D-Fender, the config files for the polycom phones actually weren't bad to edit. :D Now I'm just trying to figure out BLF and being able to route outbound calls from a specific extension to a specific trunk. |
| 23:54.45 | jaytee | i'm thinking that if app.1.toast.degree=1 gives me light toast and app.1.toast.degree=5 gives me dark toast then app.1.toast.degree=3 should give me medium toast. |
| 23:55.04 | Qwell | no, 3 will burn the toast |
| 23:55.16 | Qwell | 2 will burn the building down |
| 23:55.25 | Qwell | 4 will turn the toast into a banana |
| 23:55.34 | [TK]D-Fender | gives jaytee the 3rd degree |
| 23:55.34 | RB2 | hehehe |
| 23:55.40 | jaytee | a banana? how awesome!!! |
| 23:55.47 | Qwell | yeah, but it's an evil banana |
| 23:56.01 | jaytee | eewwww, that can't be good |
| 23:56.12 | Qwell | no, it's tasty |
| 23:56.13 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: I just upgraded my IP 501 here to SIP 3.1.0. |
| 23:56.40 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: went smooth |
| 23:56.49 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, I thought the 501 didn't support it? The matrix says no IIRC |
| 23:57.30 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Nope. 300/500 are excluded |
| 23:58.12 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, ah, those phones. makes sense. all my phones came with SIP 2.1.2 and bootrom 3.2.3. I'm going to upgrade to SIP 2.2 but I'm not sure if I need to upgrade the bootrom. |
| 23:58.43 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee:jayWhat models? |
| 23:59.06 | jaytee | IP 330 and IP 550 |
| 23:59.18 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: only 550/560/650/670 require 4.1 for my SIP ver |
| 23:59.46 | Qwell | 670? |
| 23:59.47 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Always check both release notes |
| 23:59.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell: GBit + Colour |
| 23:59.59 | Qwell | right |