| 00:00.34 | mchou | jaytee: in other words telemarketer machinery is smart enough to ignore audio SIT |
| 00:01.38 | mchou | plus there is some poetic justice when telemarketers call me, trying to get a live person, and instead I use a machine to entrap a live telemarketer :) |
| 00:01.51 | jaytee | and because the FCC exists solely to be total slut whores for big business and don |
| 00:02.16 | Rienzilla | you can also insult all telemarketeers :) |
| 00:02.24 | Rienzilla | just for fun |
| 00:02.31 | mchou | jaytee: true, but I actually think DNC is improvement over "before" |
| 00:02.34 | jaytee | don't really care about consumers they can even use 800 trunks for dialing out and mask it with a normal long distance number. |
| 00:03.10 | mchou | Rienzilla: no, they are used to insults. Fun is not the objective. Costing "them" is. |
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| 00:04.07 | mchou | jaytee: I use whocalled.us |
| 00:04.16 | mchou | quite effective really |
| 00:04.52 | mchou | jaytee: kind of like spamhaus for telemarketers |
| 00:04.55 | rasterix | hey ppl |
| 00:05.33 | rasterix | will anyone that has a complex extensions.conf that doesnt have private info in it let me have a copy? |
| 00:05.54 | rasterix | i have a syntax checker that im "checking" |
| 00:06.21 | mchou | by definition all extensions.conf have private info :) |
| 00:06.34 | rasterix | hah thanks mchou |
| 00:06.44 | mchou | I'm not kidding |
| 00:07.14 | mchou | rasterix: you know there's been hackers trying arbitrary extensions and whatnot |
| 00:07.20 | rasterix | ok extensions.conf that do not contain private info that can be exploited |
| 00:07.26 | rasterix | better? |
| 00:07.48 | mchou | how's that better given what I said? |
| 00:08.02 | mchou | rasterix: you know there's been hackers trying arbitrary extensions and whatnot <= |
| 00:08.15 | jaytee | who needs a syntax checker? I just use dialplan reload and look for errors :-) |
| 00:08.24 | Rienzilla | security by obscurity is useless anyway :) |
| 00:09.15 | rasterix | mchou: im not social engineering here |
| 00:09.28 | mchou | rasterix: I didnt say you were |
| 00:09.53 | rasterix | jaytee: better to find the errors before you load them |
| 00:10.15 | mchou | rasterix: just explaining why some ppl might be reluctant is all |
| 00:10.33 | rasterix | mchou: well if they are concerned then dont share |
| 00:10.39 | rasterix | i made that clear |
| 00:11.29 | jaytee | rasterix, was just kidding |
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| 00:11.52 | rasterix | jaytee: np |
| 00:12.46 | rasterix | jaytee: i take a lot of abuse in here for thinking about ways to improve asterisk... so im a little defensive |
| 00:13.18 | jaytee | ya gotta have a thick skin to play with the big boys |
| 00:14.07 | rasterix | it seems we all gotta use a primitive text editor and suffer typos the hardway... or u arent worthy of asterisk |
| 00:14.49 | jaytee | I wouldn't consider VIM a primitive text editor |
| 00:15.00 | rasterix | lol ok fair point |
| 00:15.06 | rasterix | but you know what i mean |
| 00:15.29 | heedly | zomg rasterix you are awesome! |
| 00:15.32 | rasterix | im not gonna knock vim |
| 00:15.36 | heedly | this is the best investion since cookies! |
| 00:15.56 | jaytee | what an investion? |
| 00:16.02 | jaytee | what's |
| 00:16.12 | rasterix | not sure... |
| 00:16.16 | rasterix | sounds painful |
| 00:16.44 | jaytee | and the best one ever from the sound of it. |
| 00:17.23 | rasterix | lol yeah |
| 00:17.39 | heedly | yep |
| 00:17.46 | heedly | if only I was using your app |
| 00:17.56 | rasterix | exactly |
| 00:17.57 | heedly | and not some primative text enterer |
| 00:18.10 | rasterix | people like you that cant type... need it |
| 00:18.13 | heedly | rasterix: you deserve nothing but praise! |
| 00:18.27 | heedly | cause you write the bestest software! |
| 00:18.38 | jaytee | heedly, put down the crack pipe and step away from the table |
| 00:18.44 | rasterix | *yawn* another lamer |
| 00:19.09 | heedly | well you seems sad no one was giving you positive attention. |
| 00:19.22 | rasterix | seemed* |
| 00:19.35 | rasterix | you need to run a grammatical parser on your chat |
| 00:19.41 | heedly | why? |
| 00:19.44 | heedly | you know what I mean. |
| 00:19.59 | jaytee | because you sound like Jar Jar Binks on acid |
| 00:20.02 | heedly | I've got important programs to write! |
| 00:20.15 | mchou | haha. JJB on acid |
| 00:20.35 | rasterix | perhaps it can issue you warnings... "hit enter and you will confirm you failed high school english" |
| 00:20.52 | heedly | yes I fail :( |
| 00:20.57 | heedly | I can't spell on IRC's |
| 00:21.06 | heedly | will the 13 year olds in the room forgive me |
| 00:21.08 | heedly | plz ? |
| 00:21.28 | heedly | oh wait they are writting important awesome programs. |
| 00:21.49 | rasterix | heedly: dont worry ppl are sympathetic to dementia sufferers these days |
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| 00:35.24 | sapere | omg compiling asterisk for solaris 9 is so much fun i can hardly stand it |
| 00:35.37 | seanbright | it compiles!? |
| 00:35.41 | sapere | i love editing Makefiles |
| 00:36.18 | sapere | yes, it compiles. once i tell it where things are (and/or find and pkgadd them) |
| 00:36.30 | seanbright | hmmm |
| 00:36.43 | seanbright | have a diff? |
| 00:37.09 | sapere | it's from the svn.sunlabs.com/svn/solaris-asterisk repo |
| 00:37.13 | seanbright | ah |
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| 00:40.16 | sapere | i don't need to compile in the zaptel source unless i have a need for FSX/FSO drivers, correct? |
| 00:40.43 | seanbright | you need ztdummy |
| 00:40.49 | seanbright | for timing |
| 00:41.04 | sapere | d'oh, ok |
| 00:41.26 | sapere | already building asterisk now, guess i'll build zaptel afterwards |
| 00:41.36 | seanbright | nope |
| 00:41.41 | rasterix | duh |
| 00:41.43 | sapere | won't even build? |
| 00:42.01 | seanbright | it will build |
| 00:42.23 | sapere | it will build ... badly? |
| 00:42.30 | seanbright | but it won't use ztdummy if it's not there before you compile asterisk |
| 00:42.32 | seanbright | install zaptel |
| 00:42.37 | rasterix | compile order > zaptel > asterisk |
| 00:42.38 | seanbright | re-run configure in asterisk |
| 00:42.39 | sapere | alrighty |
| 00:42.53 | seanbright | make distclean;./configure --foo-bar=yay |
| 00:43.10 | seanbright | where foo-bar=yay are your configure options |
| 00:44.06 | sapere | ok thanks for the help, btw |
| 00:44.09 | rasterix | make menuselect |
| 00:44.14 | sapere | hah |
| 00:44.23 | seanbright | which should work on solaris now, btw. |
| 00:44.30 | sapere | ORLY |
| 00:44.44 | sapere | don't really want to rebuild the solaris kernel tonight |
| 00:44.51 | seanbright | no no |
| 00:44.58 | seanbright | 'make menuselect' in asterisk |
| 00:45.04 | sapere | yeah, sorry bad joke |
| 00:45.11 | seanbright | it was hilarious. |
| 00:45.14 | sapere | =( |
| 00:45.19 | seanbright | kthx. |
| 00:45.19 | seanbright | heh |
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| 00:46.45 | dieno | does any one have experience of using mysql cmd in 1.6 |
| 00:49.58 | rasterix | dieno: silence normally means noone is confident enough to make a sarcastic retort |
| 00:51.43 | rasterix | anyway bedtime for me |
| 00:51.45 | rasterix | bye all |
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| 00:53.42 | jblack | dieno: I'm familiar with it at best. |
| 00:54.57 | dieno | hmm i am sending mysql cmd same as i have in 1.4 but not response |
| 00:55.04 | dieno | dont know whats wrong |
| 00:55.12 | jblack | Yeah. I can't help you with version porting. sorry. |
| 00:55.40 | dieno | lol |
| 00:55.42 | jblack | How about dodging the problem with agi? That possible? |
| 00:55.46 | dieno | its a testing small script |
| 00:56.14 | jblack | script, or dialplan? I understand agi pretty well? |
| 00:57.33 | dieno | ohh mi mean dialplan |
| 00:58.01 | jblack | Oh well. |
| 00:58.08 | dieno | hmmm :-\ |
| 00:58.26 | dieno | amazing same thing working on 1.6 RC and same thing making prb on 1.6 Beta9 |
| 00:58.31 | jblack | For the least, I can give you a sarcastic statement that rasterix says is owed you. |
| 00:58.43 | jblack | Only sissys use mysql. Real men use postgresql. |
| 00:59.08 | dieno | ok superman |
| 01:00.16 | jblack | I'd try again in an hour, and again during early afternoon, US time. There tends to be more people about. |
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| 01:00.18 | Alton2 | uses Postgres. But mysql works ok enough, and they're making it better. |
| 01:00.42 | jblack | That is a good point. Mysql hasn't eaten my data for at least two years. |
| 01:00.57 | Alton2 | hah |
| 01:01.22 | Alton2 | Didn't Sun buy them or something? They're going to put a stop to that crap. |
| 01:01.36 | jblack | I think so. Them, or someone equivilant. |
| 01:02.07 | Alton2 | It does have the benefit of being a little more popular, and so easier for people to get going who aren't super computer experts. |
| 01:02.14 | Alton2 | Distros include it more, stuff like that. |
| 01:02.36 | jblack | Certainly much more popular. I'm not aware of any distros that carry only one, though. |
| 01:02.56 | Alton2 | I'm a computer guy, and even I have had trouble getting postgres/php/slackware working from time to time. |
| 01:03.12 | dieno | but superman dont :) |
| 01:03.18 | Alton2 | I don't know for sure. Meanwhile, I thought DB2 was also available, or informix or something. |
| 01:03.19 | jblack | Then again, George Bush got elected president, twice, so popularity doesn't necessarily indicate quality. |
| 01:03.42 | Alton2 | He's popular with me... but that is another matter. :-) |
| 01:03.42 | jblack | dieno: I think you might fit right in. ;) |
| 01:03.56 | jblack | Is that a typo? |
| 01:04.22 | dieno | hmm may b :D |
| 01:04.40 | Alton2 | aha, time to eat, that is going to take precedence over computers for a few minutes. back in a bit. |
| 01:05.02 | jblack | Ok, bye. That was a serious question. I'm not going to give you the third degree or anything. |
| 01:09.22 | oilinki3 | good morning |
| 01:09.32 | jblack | hi |
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| 01:29.08 | Alton2 | ok, |
| 01:29.28 | Alton2 | it's ok, I am not afraid to exlain my position when asked to do so. |
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| 01:40.36 | Alton2 | explain |
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| 01:53.48 | jaytee | http://www.yemiipic.com/sarah-palin.html |
| 01:54.16 | Alton2 | gets excited. :-) |
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| 01:55.18 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/61410aa4ff |
| 01:57.40 | jaytee | hahahaaa, good one. liked the Cat Scratch Fever music in the background |
| 01:58.44 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Suble....... |
| 01:58.47 | [TK]D-Fender | subtle* |
| 01:59.04 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: "If she shoots you in the face, thats because she's aiming for it..." |
| 01:59.06 | jaytee | mmmm, not so much |
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| 02:01.53 | [TK]D-Fender | hehehe.... |
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| 02:03.02 | Alton2 | I thought the "P(B)S" was subtle. |
| 02:04.48 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, think I've got my MOH thing figured out. I'm gonna test with the speaker pair of a handset using the FXS port of the SPA3102 setup as hotline to an extension that just plays MOH, then if that works I can breadboard a bunch of analog line taps using a 600ohm isolation transformer, a 250V MOV (varistor) and a 180 ohm resistor on the line side of the transformer in parallel that'll drop the line voltage to go off-hook. |
| 02:05.05 | jaytee | parts will cost me less than 10 bucks each |
| 02:05.59 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Why don't you just run a console Alsa channel? |
| 02:07.13 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, because the PA units are going to be scattered all over the zoo and while he'd settle for a single MOH source, ideally we'd like to have different zones have the ability to provide different MOH selections. |
| 02:08.10 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: I have to say tapping an fxs hot-line with a constant-up channel =fugly |
| 02:09.59 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, yeah, I'm also looking at other solutions. I could have one centralized setup for audio source and feed the audio over phone pairs from an amplifier and just loop the lines for each area that will use the same source and have single lines for the other areas that want different music and not have to burden Asterisk with the audio. |
| 02:10.39 | jaytee | or just a cheap little MP3 player with a line jack to bare wire instead of a headset at each location. |
| 02:11.34 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Now how does this multi-zone MoH source fit with the paging? |
| 02:13.48 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, each of the PA units from Valcom have an FXO port that plugs into the FXO port on an SPA3102 and there is also a two pin audio connection for music. When the PA channel isn't active and there is a music source on the music "port" music plays and if I dial the FXO port the PA goes active and the music is muted by the unit. |
| 02:14.19 | jaytee | if only the Page application supported MOH |
| 02:15.10 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Funky but you need a way to keep the channels up and stable... not pretty, and you'r having to sources this audio from somewhere as well... |
| 02:15.18 | jaytee | because the way I've got it figured I'll use the Page application to dial one or more units since using Dial will mean that whichever one picks up first goes active and the others will remain on hook |
| 02:16.56 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, my boss got approval for me to take Advanced Asterisk training in October! |
| 02:17.34 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Ok, for whatever that implies I hope it fulfills your needs & expectations. |
| 02:17.51 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, for the audio, I'd rather just go with an el Cheapo little portable MP3 player for each zone. |
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| 02:18.52 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: definitely saner.... |
| 02:18.59 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, Valcom's VOIP product solution is much more flexible but the cost is almost an order of magnitude higher. |
| 02:19.37 | jaytee | the VOIP unit is only 900 bucks but the PA amplified VOIP speaker horns are 500 bucks each and they're only 5 watt speakers. |
| 02:19.58 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Here's a GOOD idea : Get some cheap radio transmitters & recievers and run those to your remote points and you centralize the transmission. |
| 02:20.23 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: No doubt cheaper than the MP3 player method, reduce (c) issues, etc... |
| 02:20.39 | [TK]D-Fender | (presuming private ttransmission is not counted as "broadcasting" |
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| 02:21.18 | jblack | looks for ~ 150 channel cards |
| 02:25.20 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, hadn't really given radio transmitter/receiver system much thought. I'll have to check out what's available. Some of our buildings are pretty "opaque" to FM radio and cellular though. |
| 02:25.29 | jblack | Just 2.5k, huh |
| 02:25.51 | jaytee | jblack, what are looking at? |
| 02:26.02 | jblack | I'm looking at the A108 |
| 02:26.12 | jaytee | from Sangoma? |
| 02:26.19 | jblack | Yup. |
| 02:27.12 | jaytee | well, that'll do ya for channels for sure |
| 02:27.35 | jaytee | 8 T'1 on one card though, yuck |
| 02:27.56 | jblack | Yeah. That does seem like an awful lot of work for one card. |
| 02:28.39 | jaytee | I wasn't thinking so much of the work as the "what if it breaks" side of the equation. too many VIP eggs in one basket. |
| 02:29.38 | heedly | the smaller footprint may be useful in some cases. |
| 02:29.42 | jblack | That's a good point. A pair of servers with an a104 each would be a much safer idea. |
| 02:29.54 | heedly | A carrier for example with several hundred. |
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| 02:30.45 | jblack | This is for a place that should have plenty of space for two servers that live and die with the phone system. |
| 02:30.58 | lmadsen | I have a project I'm gonna be working on where we're actually abstracting the T1s out to separate T1<-->SIP gateways in order to not be restricted to a single server for the T1s |
| 02:31.29 | lmadsen | we're mostly just shifting it to the gateway and hoping that doesn't die, but since it doesn't do as much, the risk should be lower |
| 02:31.48 | jaytee | lmadsen, what T1/SIP gateway product are you looking at? |
| 02:31.53 | jblack | I tend to use straight voip as backup, since the unused costs are negligible. |
| 02:32.07 | Alton2 | Why not use a cisco router to bridge between T1s and SIP? More reliable than those cards..... |
| 02:32.25 | jblack | I have a grudge with cisco. |
| 02:32.39 | Alton2 | I'm developing one, but they're reliable. |
| 02:33.14 | jblack | grumbles something about until they give a hassle over providing replacement firmware for a vulnerability. |
| 02:33.15 | lmadsen | jaytee: I think they are from adtran |
| 02:33.51 | Alton2 | We had 6 of those 4-T1 cards, 3 in each server, frequent problems, plugged lines directly into Cisco, end of problems. |
| 02:33.59 | jaytee | lmadsen, I'm familiar with their CSU's, we use them at my work but I've never looked at their gateway equipment |
| 02:34.14 | lmadsen | ya, I'm not in charge of that part :) |
| 02:34.24 | lmadsen | I'm just in charge of the asterisk clustering and queues |
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| 02:34.49 | lmadsen | omgmoghi! |
| 02:35.05 | seanbright | lmadsen: i added your other button. |
| 02:35.12 | lmadsen | other? |
| 02:35.15 | seanbright | lmadsen: don't say i never gave you anything. |
| 02:35.16 | jblack | Alton2: Hmm. Think you may have saturated the pci bus? |
| 02:35.22 | jaytee | Alton2, what model Cisco router does T1 to SIP ? |
| 02:35.22 | seanbright | lmadsen: save & exit / ext |
| 02:35.24 | seanbright | exit* |
| 02:35.28 | lmadsen | hot! |
| 02:35.34 | seanbright | mmhmmm |
| 02:35.36 | lmadsen | seanbright: I will still say you gave me nothin' though |
| 02:35.41 | lmadsen | I'm a bit of a bastard though |
| 02:35.46 | lmadsen | but I'm pretty sure you like that |
| 02:35.48 | seanbright | lmadsen: that makes two of us |
| 02:35.59 | lmadsen | you coming to astricon? |
| 02:36.02 | seanbright | i am not |
| 02:36.03 | seanbright | :( |
| 02:36.04 | lmadsen | that sucks |
| 02:36.05 | seanbright | sister's wedding |
| 02:36.08 | lmadsen | bah! |
| 02:36.08 | seanbright | on the 27th |
| 02:36.09 | Alton2 | Actually we had a few T1s, so removed Adtran units from in between and plugged DS3 directly into Cisco, 5400 model, although 5300s work fine and cost $7,500 or less. |
| 02:36.12 | lmadsen | she'll get married again |
| 02:36.15 | seanbright | i KNOW |
| 02:36.22 | seanbright | i tried telling her that... she didn't appreciate it |
| 02:36.24 | lmadsen | astricon 2008 only happens once |
| 02:36.28 | lmadsen | lol |
| 02:36.31 | lmadsen | girls |
| 02:36.34 | seanbright | i know |
| 02:36.36 | seanbright | k |
| 02:36.38 | seanbright | i go |
| 02:36.39 | lmadsen | night bud |
| 02:36.40 | seanbright | kbye |
| 02:40.47 | jblack | lmadsen: Hmmm. How many times will astricon '09 happen? =) |
| 02:40.55 | lmadsen | at least once |
| 02:41.48 | jaytee | actually astricon 2009 will never happen. the world ended on wednesday when the turned on the LHC, no one's noticed yet because we're stuck in a causality loop. |
| 02:42.06 | lmadsen | sweet |
| 02:42.12 | jblack | jaytee: That's not when the LHC will end the world. It won't be for another month or so. |
| 02:42.20 | Alton2 | Too much pseudo-science on TV. |
| 02:42.34 | jaytee | jblack, you've got to remember to cc me on these memos |
| 02:42.42 | jblack | jaytee: Sorry. I'll get you a link |
| 02:43.00 | lmadsen | they haven't used full power yet |
| 02:43.07 | lmadsen | probably won't end for almost a year |
| 02:43.22 | Alton2 | Cosmic rays that arrive all the time are much more powerful than they will ever generate. |
| 02:43.24 | jblack | jaytee: http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/07/world-to-end-wednesday/ |
| 02:44.14 | jaytee | last nite someone in ubuntuforums posted a link that was supposed to be about a fix for problems with Avant Window Navigator. turned out to be a flash video of a guy and horse having sex. |
| 02:44.29 | jaytee | somedays I just want to cancel my internet service. |
| 02:44.40 | jblack | What? I gave a valid link! |
| 02:45.14 | jblack | I've never bene on a farm. Is sex between men and horses even... functionally practical? |
| 02:45.27 | jaytee | I know, but I'm just saying that if you hang in IRC you're taking a risk. |
| 02:45.33 | jblack | I would think there would be some sort of adaptor issue there... |
| 02:45.46 | jaytee | jblack, I'm sorry but I didn't bookmark the link, I was too busy vomiting |
| 02:45.48 | jblack | Say.. an rj11 in an rj45 |
| 02:46.02 | Alton2 | I don't think the horse would be very impressed. |
| 02:46.23 | jaytee | I'd rather have been RickRolled |
| 02:46.30 | Alton2 | I'm watching the CERN rap video. |
| 02:46.40 | jblack | Speaking of nasty crap, I watched about 30 seconds of "porn of the living dead" |
| 02:46.41 | jaytee | I've seen that one |
| 02:47.17 | jblack | CERN rapping, or zombie pr0n? |
| 02:47.46 | jblack | omg. That's proof we entered a black hole. In one sentence, I mentioned pron, zombies, CERN and rapping. |
| 02:47.54 | jblack | Damn you, LHC! |
| 02:47.58 | jaytee | jblack, I didn't believe any of the LHC paranoia horseshit going around anyways. Besides which the thing will take about 2 to 3 years to reach full power. |
| 02:48.27 | russellb | well luckily you can just watch the webcams and verify that everything is still good - http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html |
| 02:48.54 | jblack | I don't think the world's going to end either, but then again, I'm not exactly qualified as I lack about 4 of the 4 PHDs I'd need to make a solid judgement. |
| 02:48.54 | Alton2 | I just like the scientific geek babes in the video. |
| 02:48.58 | jaytee | um, I meant I'd seen the CERN rap video, I haven't seen the "porn of the living dead" so I guess I should count my blessings. |
| 02:50.08 | jblack | I do see it as eventually possible that some narrowly focused researcher is going to say "oops" just before the earth becomes uninhabitable. |
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| 02:51.20 | jblack | You should. It's a lot of porn, and very little zombie. In fact, just a couple dirty, nekkid, people in a ditch, with a shovel, doing what you can imagine. |
| 02:51.22 | jaytee | "uh-oh! That's not gonna be good!" POOF! |
| 02:52.50 | jblack | Seti's nowhere proof, but it's kinda creepy to me that we havent' found anything yet, even though the numbers as I crunch them indicate "of course not" |
| 02:53.16 | jaytee | or it could be some new guy on the job, "hey, what's this yellow button do?" "DON'T PRESS THAT!!!!" "Oooops!" (sound of klaxon) |
| 02:53.39 | Alton2 | I wonder if the proof is not all around us. So many similar stories about things. Things happened to me in my youth that I only understood when I read about them later. |
| 02:53.54 | jblack | Seriously! Some rainman janitor could end the world with an "uh oh! uh oh! uh o..." |
| 02:54.34 | jblack | Everyone saw what happened in the mist, and that must be true becuase it's a movie. ;) |
| 02:55.11 | jaytee | jblack, it's a really big freaking universe. We've only had radio for a little over a century and reception capability in the hydrogen emission bands for a little over half a century. |
| 02:55.29 | jblack | Like I said, of course not. |
| 02:55.35 | jaytee | signals could still come some day as long as someone's still listening. |
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| 02:56.08 | Alton2 | I think the whole thing is way past the sending-radio-signals-around stage. |
| 02:56.11 | rpm | if i don't give a tdm400p with an fxs module power, it will function as fxo right? |
| 02:56.12 | jblack | I do serious think, though, that there's a point in which one should do experimental physics on the only planet with the species. |
| 02:56.39 | jblack | should not. |
| 02:56.59 | Alton2 | People used to think the H-bombs would do the same thing. |
| 02:57.02 | jaytee | what, you think seeing what happens if you mix a quart of milk with a quart of anti-milk is a bad idea? :-) |
| 02:57.19 | jblack | You'd curdle our local spacetime! |
| 02:57.33 | Alton2 | You ever seen "Trinity and Beyond" on the Discovery channel? Interesting footage of different atomic bomb blasts. |
| 02:57.35 | jaytee | or make some really smelly cheese! |
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| 02:58.05 | jblack | Alton2: If there was certainty on the results for experiments, would one carry them out? |
| 02:58.21 | jaytee | "Behold, I have become Death, shatterer of worlds" |
| 02:58.37 | Alton2 | I believe in the bell curve. Do a lot of what's normal and accepted, and a little bit at each of the spectrum to see what might pop up. |
| 02:59.03 | Alton2 | Oppenheimer, right? Quoting someone else, can't remember whom. |
| 02:59.11 | jblack | I don't think LHC will kill us... but imagine some sort of... GILHC (Google's Immensely Large Hadron Collider) |
| 02:59.28 | jaytee | bullshit! like the song goes, "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, you gotta kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" |
| 02:59.56 | jaytee | Alton2, Oppenheimer quoting the Bhagavad Gita |
| 03:00.22 | jblack | I'm not unreasonable in wanting care until we've colonized a second planet! |
| 03:00.34 | jaytee | jblack, I agree |
| 03:01.03 | jaytee | most of our more dangerous experiments should be at a Lagrange point like L4 or L5 |
| 03:01.06 | Alton2 | I figure we're in much more danger from biological or nuclear war than from a physics experiment gone awry. |
| 03:02.32 | jaytee | if we were really smart we'd just bypass Mars and go straight to the Belt and Jupiter. Mine the asteroids for metals and use ship that could dip through Jupiter's atmosphere and collect hydrogen to ship back here. |
| 03:02.53 | Alton2 | hah, we have more than enough hydrogen here, in the water |
| 03:03.04 | Alton2 | and energy , in the form of sunlight |
| 03:03.23 | lmadsen | we have plenty of energy, we just aren't very efficient with it |
| 03:03.25 | Alton2 | Tesla said more than 100 years ago that it was a shame to use oil and gas when we could be using renewable energy. |
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| 03:03.44 | Alton2 | We just need to shift gears. People are slow to change, unfortunately. |
| 03:03.46 | jaytee | Alton2, the upfront costs would be high but then once we had the infrastructure, getting hydrogen from a gas giant would be cheaper than separating it out from salt water. |
| 03:04.12 | Alton2 | Hm, you'd have to spend energy decelerating it and making it fall back to here. Kinda odd. |
| 03:04.18 | jblack | Screw jupiter. Grab all that methane from.. Europa, is it? |
| 03:04.26 | jaytee | or Titan |
| 03:04.31 | jblack | One of the two |
| 03:04.34 | jaytee | both |
| 03:05.01 | lmadsen | I think it seems silly to have to develop lots of technology and spend lots of energy to get energy |
| 03:05.07 | lmadsen | it's already coming to us |
| 03:05.08 | jaytee | but in the long run we should move our industrial base off planet into orbit and turn the land back over to agrarian purposes. |
| 03:05.10 | jblack | And while we're at it, can we swing by mercury for some heavy metals? The earth pantry is running low. |
| 03:05.29 | jaytee | the Belt's full of heavy metals |
| 03:05.51 | jblack | I thought that stuff was mostly h20 and silicate |
| 03:05.52 | Alton2 | I think we should just make lots of solar cells. Make the change and get it over with. |
| 03:06.09 | jblack | To make enough solar cells, we'll need more exotic metals than we have, methinks. |
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| 03:06.29 | jaytee | germanium is in very short supply |
| 03:06.31 | lmadsen | especially before we run out of oil, since it typically requires oils and gases to manufacture renewable technologies |
| 03:06.37 | wacky___ | what's up with those Magic Button and Voice Recognition techs ? |
| 03:06.42 | Alton2 | John Deere is starting to make diesel-electric tractors now. |
| 03:06.45 | wacky___ | Is anything of the sort going to be released in open source ?? |
| 03:07.06 | lmadsen | wacky___: voice recognition is very complicated and expensive to develop |
| 03:07.14 | wacky___ | yeah, I understand |
| 03:07.32 | lmadsen | sorry, some technologies you're just going to have to pay for |
| 03:07.33 | jblack | surely geologists call them "rare earth metals" for a reason. |
| 03:07.55 | wacky___ | not if a bunch of people get together and work hard.. |
| 03:08.03 | Alton2 | Aw, they all exist in sea water, if only we had enough energy to get them out economically. |
| 03:08.17 | wacky___ | lmadsen - because if this "magic button" thing is *the* way we're going to place our calls in the future.. |
| 03:08.31 | wacky___ | there is no way open source projets will survive without having that feature |
| 03:08.32 | jaytee | wacky___, there are few open source projects out there but the product is still immature. I use a closed source software for linux with Asterisk, Lumenvox. |
| 03:08.36 | jblack | wacky___: Your "can do" attitude is awesome. When can we expect your "We did it Good!" release? |
| 03:09.26 | jaytee | wacky___, was your great grandfather the guy that said, "If a man travels faster than 30mph he will die!" |
| 03:09.55 | jblack | Where is queen's university? |
| 03:10.18 | jaytee | or maybe his great, great, great grandfather was the guy who suggested closing the patent office because everything worthwhile had already been invented back in 1787. |
| 03:10.27 | jblack | Please tell me that's "The Queen, her majesty's college" and not a college in queens new york. |
| 03:10.44 | wacky___ | jaytee - ? |
| 03:10.50 | jblack | Oh. Ireland. Home of the Steorn Orbo wants to teach jedi mind tricks in college. |
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| 03:11.19 | jaytee | jblack, there's a Queens University in Canada too |
| 03:11.40 | jblack | This one is in belfast. |
| 03:11.44 | wacky___ | jaytee - don't you think Asterisk lives in big part because of the community ? |
| 03:11.52 | jaytee | the other is in Kingston, Ontario |
| 03:12.12 | jblack | 'The UK's first Jedi course is on offer at Queen's University Belfast in November and hopes to attract Star Wars fans and introduce them to the joys of continuing their education through open learning. According to its publicity material, the course 'Feel the Force: How to Train in the Jedi Way' teaches the "real-life psychological techniques behind Jedi mind tricks". |
| 03:12.44 | jaytee | wacky___, I think Asterisk lives in big part because people use it but without the community it wouldn't be as successful true enough. |
| 03:12.53 | jblack | Nice to see America has some competition on stupidity, these days. =) |
| 03:13.17 | jaytee | jblack, they can compete all they want but we'll always win in that arena. |
| 03:13.41 | jblack | Well, they don't have the bush family, so I can't argue that point... |
| 03:13.54 | jaytee | or American Idol |
| 03:14.06 | jblack | Or the Hiltons. |
| 03:14.34 | wacky___ | jaytee - hmm.. I'm just wondering what will users do when all other PBX, all the company PBX around them, all the phone systems they use have voice recognition to place their calls ("call Jim", "transfert to Jack")... |
| 03:14.40 | jaytee | or the type of political system where no one talks issues and each side just hurls slander. |
| 03:15.22 | wacky___ | what will they think of the open source thing that barely does what we did in ol' days.. |
| 03:15.26 | jblack | wacky___: Perhaps speech recognition is a difficult subject that requires a lot of expensive education. |
| 03:15.41 | jaytee | wacky, for less than a thousand bucks I can equip an asterisk server with a 5 port voice recoginition engine. |
| 03:16.14 | wacky___ | of an open source project that you need to pay to get "normal features" |
| 03:16.36 | jblack | The strongest and weakest point of free software is that providing something you want is _your_ responsibility, and not the responsibility of others. =) |
| 03:16.43 | wacky___ | exactly :) |
| 03:16.45 | jaytee | and I've just finished developing a speech recognition enabled IVR with Lumenvox to replace a 20K+ one that interfaces with my old Nortel PBX. |
| 03:16.55 | jblack | So... You want this, right? |
| 03:17.19 | wacky___ | jblack - yeah for sure... I was just wondering if it was in Digium's plans to push something into the open source world.. |
| 03:17.36 | jblack | Not that I've heard. It's your responsibility anyways. |
| 03:17.48 | wacky___ | but now it's in a delicate position, having partnerships.. |
| 03:17.53 | wacky___ | yeah, that's true |
| 03:18.00 | Alton2 | Oh, don't be hard on him, not everyone is a programmer. |
| 03:18.20 | jaytee | most of the really decent functional speech recognition algorithms are patented. |
| 03:18.20 | jblack | It's nice that you're taking it on, because a lot of people will be able to use your work. |
| 03:18.41 | wacky___ | jblack - :P |
| 03:18.44 | jblack | Alton2: There's a lot more to a project than coding. If he's a good organizer, then he can just work at getting the right people organized together. |
| 03:18.56 | wacky___ | but don't you guys think that this particular feature, is really to determine the future of telephony ? |
| 03:19.05 | Alton2 | I know what you mean. |
| 03:19.26 | wacky___ | and it's not just the "who's responsible" game ? |
| 03:19.34 | jblack | It would be a great feature. It's not going to be a critical feature any time soon. |
| 03:19.35 | Alton2 | However, people who don't do anything but claim "leadership" are often seen as posers.... |
| 03:20.03 | wacky___ | yeah.. maybe not.. |
| 03:20.28 | jblack | wacky___: That's how free software works. You have four choices. 1. Take responsibility for it. 2. Wait until someone else wants it enough to do it. 3. Go without, 4. Use something proprietary. |
| 03:21.18 | wacky___ | ok, let's ask the question differently: do you think it would be a Good Thing (tm) to have an open source voice recognition system ? |
| 03:21.26 | jblack | Definitely. |
| 03:21.28 | jaytee | I can do dial by voice right now. my Lumenvox IVR isn't set up for it but part of it acts as a conduit to Exchange UM auto attendant so I can dial the Employee Directory and get a prompt of who I want, say their name and it dials the call for me. |
| 03:22.00 | Alton2 | Exchange, ugh |
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| 03:22.27 | jblack | Dude. YOu're not just using the dark side. YOu're frigging Darth Maul. |
| 03:22.50 | jblack | sorry. That's not true. |
| 03:23.16 | jaytee | Alton2, I kinda like being able to pick up my home phone or use my cell phone from anywhere and check my appointments, have it read me my emails and play my voicemails or use my contacts list to call to someone else. reschedule appointments etc. it's a very handy system. |
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| 03:23.28 | Alton2 | The question is... did he inherit it, and plan to replace it... or did he actually install it? :-) |
| 03:23.53 | wacky___ | jaytee - wouldn't youi like to have an open source system to do that ? :P I'm not asking you to code it.. |
| 03:24.07 | Alton2 | MS gets you with those little hooks. But I am fundamentally opposed to their crooked practices, and I put my money where my mouth is. |
| 03:24.16 | wacky___ | but it seems to me, from the beginning of the conversation that you prefer proprietary options, am I right ? |
| 03:24.42 | jblack | There's not much in the way of free software options. |
| 03:24.49 | jaytee | wacky___, I suppose it might be nice but our company is mostly an MS shop. The only things we're using linux for is Asterisk and Nagios. |
| 03:24.54 | Alton2 | Is that true? Nobody's really working on that? |
| 03:25.18 | jblack | If they are, they're being pretty quiet about it. |
| 03:25.24 | Alton2 | hmm |
| 03:25.33 | jblack | There's been some token attempts. |
| 03:25.43 | Alton2 | You know the names? |
| 03:25.43 | jblack | See gnome-voice-control. |
| 03:26.01 | jaytee | and say what you will but if it wasn't for the "big evil empire" then Linus would probably have never started Linux in the first place. |
| 03:26.31 | jblack | Nah. His barrier was minix. =) |
| 03:26.40 | Alton2 | We had Unix and VMS around long before linux. But I'm happy that Linux has helped out, made progress. |
| 03:26.53 | wacky___ | jblack .. yeah that's nice.. and it was sponsored by GSoC.. |
| 03:27.15 | jaytee | but to run on a PC? to compete with Windows? Unix and VMS weren't alternatives. |
| 03:27.49 | Alton2 | After DEC was taken over by the suits, a serious offer was made to port VMS to PCs. Unfortunately for DEC they refused it. |
| 03:27.50 | jblack | Linus released Linux because Tennebaum was an ass about minix licensing. |
| 03:28.17 | jaytee | and then Dave Cutler left and went to work for MS to architect NT |
| 03:28.33 | Alton2 | You know the deal about the VMS and WNT letters? |
| 03:28.59 | jaytee | gee, no and I never saw 2001 so I have no idea about IBM and HAL either |
| 03:29.59 | jblack | I know quite a bit about the M$ IBM stuff. I'm not very conversant on VMS's short history. |
| 03:30.11 | jblack | pardon, not short, but truncated |
| 03:30.17 | Alton2 | Quite a long and distinguished history, my dear sir. :-) |
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| 03:30.34 | jblack | see my reply |
| 03:30.41 | Alton2 | Yeah, you know, back then we never thought the Soviet Union would fall... or IBM would reform, |
| 03:30.49 | Alton2 | but those things happened, and DEC fell. Amazing. |
| 03:30.54 | jaytee | IBM kept shooting itself in the foot with internal competition between their mainframe group, their AS400 group and their PC group. |
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| 03:31.27 | jblack | VMS essentially predates me. I didn't get into unix until IBM managed to dead end OS/2. |
| 03:31.34 | jblack | Which was mid 90s. |
| 03:31.35 | jaytee | and not wanting to take MS's advice and make OS/2 32 bit from the get go just slowed things down on the PC side till MS said, "Screw this, we're going our own way." |
| 03:32.08 | Alton2 | I have the OS/2 book which contains the forward by Gates saying how great it is.... |
| 03:32.25 | jblack | jaytee: Uhhhh, OS/2 was 32 bit at _least_ from 2.0, and I think it was since inception. That was a key selling point, that they were using protected mode. |
| 03:32.27 | Alton2 | OS/2 was great; I ran it for many years really. |
| 03:32.35 | jaytee | that must be from the late 80's because he was singing a different tune in 1990 |
| 03:32.39 | jblack | I still miss it sometimes. |
| 03:33.05 | jblack | There's still people hobbling along with it, trying to convince ibm to open it up. |
| 03:33.10 | Alton2 | gates is full of it |
| 03:33.20 | jaytee | jblack, yes OS/2 2.0 was 32 bit but that wasn't around until early 90's. OS/2 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 were 16 bit dogs with fleas. |
| 03:33.29 | Alton2 | Supposedly it's still used a lot in ATMs and railroad systems. |
| 03:33.31 | jblack | Alton2: NO WAY? RLY? |
| 03:33.51 | jaytee | most of the ATM's I've seen run embedded XP |
| 03:33.56 | Alton2 | Sarcasm does not become you. |
| 03:34.14 | jblack | That's not sarcasm's fault. I'm a really ugly bastard. =) |
| 03:34.16 | Alton2 | Sorry, that's just what I heard about OS/2 a few years ago, why they kept it around. |
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| 03:34.36 | Alton2 | Well, honesty does become you, in this case! |
| 03:35.07 | jaytee | first version of OS/2 was a total joke. What good is an OS with only 2 apps and no printer drivers? |
| 03:35.10 | jblack | last I checked a couple years ago, there was still something available named ecommercestation, which is the offspring from os/2. Might be dead by now, though. |
| 03:35.32 | jblack | There was lots of stuff for os/2 at first! |
| 03:35.35 | Alton2 | same for windows, I have a copy here, "Windows 1.0 Presentation Manager" or something like that. |
| 03:35.40 | jblack | Around 3.0 |
| 03:36.11 | wacky___ | lol, that poor guy really has a hard time with its version 0.2 ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSgkUnlGGA |
| 03:36.26 | wacky___ | with it's kind of germano-franco-italiano-accent ! |
| 03:37.14 | jblack | Yeah. I thought he was a bad speech synthesizor at first. |
| 03:37.38 | jaytee | I had a shrink wrapped software package from Iris Associates called Lotus 123 OS/2 for Windows. All it did was patch the OS/2 version to run on Windows 3.0 I got a free copy at the Windows 3.0 rollout in May of 1990. |
| 03:38.25 | jaytee | Only patch I think I've ever gotten that came in a shrink wrapped box. |
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| 03:38.32 | Alton2 | interesting |
| 03:38.36 | wacky___ | heh.. the guys says "hate it" instead of "edit", and it sounds like he spits when he's trying to say "tools" |
| 03:38.43 | [TK]D-Fender | windows 3.x? wow.... look who's a new fangled whipper-snapper now eh?! |
| 03:38.48 | jblack | wacky___: Hell. I can barely understand him, and I'm human |
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| 03:39.02 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, I actually was a beta tester for it |
| 03:39.14 | Alton2 | You have my condolences..... |
| 03:39.32 | jaytee | I also beta tested the first version of Lotus Notes |
| 03:39.59 | wacky___ | lol, and it's bad marketing, I mean he _did_ repeat the "cut" function about 10 times, and it didn't work |
| 03:40.01 | [TK]D-Fender | I remember windows 2.0 on my 8088 @ 20 meg HD |
| 03:40.16 | [TK]D-Fender | it was like.... wow.. now what do I DO with it?! :) |
| 03:40.20 | Alton2 | yeah |
| 03:40.39 | jblack | Ohhhh. "keycell" is really "Cancel" |
| 03:40.40 | [TK]D-Fender | and then I went back to programming comm apps :) |
| 03:40.41 | jaytee | I go back pretty far in IT. I still have a 16K single sided 8" floppy from an old Wang system back in the mid 80's. |
| 03:41.07 | [TK]D-Fender | (insert requisite "Wang" joke here) |
| 03:41.14 | Alton2 | I was tempted.... |
| 03:41.19 | jaytee | Windows 2.0 was such a laugh |
| 03:41.20 | [TK]D-Fender | LOLZ, its teh FLOPPY! |
| 03:41.24 | Alton2 | 1981 here, DEC systems running cobol, good stuff |
| 03:41.31 | jaytee | but not as funny as IBM's Topdesk |
| 03:41.49 | [TK]D-Fender | I liked DesqView personally... |
| 03:42.02 | jaytee | cobol= Completely Obsolete But Obstinately Lingering language |
| 03:42.04 | Alton2 | I was sad that DesqView didn't catch on more. |
| 03:42.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Actual pre-emptive multi-tasking at the DOS level and you could runn off a floppy |
| 03:42.33 | oilinki3 | wacky___: hoho. the youtube video is funny. |
| 03:42.34 | jaytee | that was from Quarterdeck? |
| 03:42.49 | Alton2 | I was so disappointed how Windows won out way back then. |
| 03:42.54 | [TK]D-Fender | I used to make super-boot CD's that would prep up a ram-drive & load up my DOS utils like an HD, and then run DesqView... |
| 03:42.58 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Yup |
| 03:43.14 | [TK]D-Fender | er, FLOPPIES, not CD's |
| 03:43.28 | jaytee | I remember running VM386 that would let me run multiple DOS machines and hotkey between them. |
| 03:43.34 | jblack | 2mf.. get 2 gigs on a floppy. |
| 03:43.38 | jblack | pardon, megs. |
| 03:44.13 | jaytee | and the joys of trying to shoehorn drivers into the upper 384K region so there was more of the 640K conventional to run WordPerfect while on the network. |
| 03:44.30 | jblack | I got you both beat. I remember multitasking on a C=64 with geos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Mnvead8Tc |
| 03:44.37 | Alton2 | highmem=dos,umb |
| 03:44.39 | Alton2 | or something like that |
| 03:44.41 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack: I used to use one of those super format programs that would let you max out the physical medai beyond 1.44 and tehn of course everything was compressed, then unloaded to the ramdrive. |
| 03:44.58 | jaytee | jblack, the C64 with GEOS was a sweet little box for it's day |
| 03:45.10 | jblack | Definitely. |
| 03:45.12 | jaytee | but the Amiga was even better. |
| 03:45.25 | jblack | It had to be, for 10 times the price. :) |
| 03:45.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Alton2: More than that I used vidram to use up the space between 640 & video buffer so I always had about 630k free low mem |
| 03:45.49 | Alton2 | hah, a lost art now |
| 03:46.07 | wacky___ | hey, that's quite good here: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/letsgo/example.html |
| 03:46.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Yup, I'm a relic.... |
| 03:46.13 | wacky___ | (if you listen to the .wav/.mp3) |
| 03:46.18 | jaytee | I met Andre Pajnitov back in 1990 when he visited the states and Spectrum Holobyte gave him an Amiga because they were selling his game in the states. |
| 03:46.22 | wacky___ | they use that for bus directions |
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| 03:48.28 | jblack | The neatest hardware ever, a superload cartridge. |
| 03:48.41 | jaytee | When he visited our company and came over to my area, I loaded up Tetris and showed him. He smiled. |
| 03:49.10 | Alton2 | company? |
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| 03:49.41 | jaytee | at the time I was working for John Hancock Life in at their corporate hq in Boston. |
| 03:50.25 | jaytee | One of our IT staff was a russian emigre who spoke both english and russian fluently so she was his guide for his visit. |
| 03:50.34 | Alton2 | interesting |
| 03:50.58 | Alton2 | I took Russian in high school for 2 years and can understand a few words on web sites, but that's about it at this late stage. |
| 03:52.01 | jaytee | I took Spanish in high school so I can ask all the illegals in Indianapols (and we've got tons of em) "Tiene usted un tarjeta el verde?" |
| 03:52.35 | Alton2 | hah, you know that I live 2 miles from Mexico, so my property is a veritable highway for illegals |
| 03:52.47 | Alton2 | and the BP is here every day, |
| 03:53.11 | Alton2 | and I used to work for them.... Anyway, this area is what the rest of the US is going to turn into. and it's not a pretty prospect. |
| 03:53.36 | [TK]D-Fender | sits safe above the border... |
| 03:54.00 | jaytee | safe in Canada, the last refuge of freedom in the Western Hemisphere |
| 03:54.01 | Alton2 | Sheesh, I need to move away. It's rough. |
| 03:54.19 | Alton2 | I want to move to Central Texas. People are damned friendly there, good people. |
| 03:55.00 | jaytee | people are damn friendly here, they're just mostly stupid and bad drivers so you gotta take the good with the bad. |
| 03:55.20 | Alton2 | here you get the worst of all |
| 03:55.38 | jaytee | where, California? |
| 03:55.53 | Alton2 | South Texas, 1 hour drive from the Gulf and 5 minutes from Mexico |
| 03:56.08 | hardwire | hai |
| 03:56.19 | hardwire | anybody know any good python sip bindings? |
| 03:56.23 | jaytee | pffft, try anywhere outside the nicer suburbs of San Diego and then tell me that. |
| 03:56.31 | [TK]D-Fender | REMEMBER THE AL....ahhhh fukkit... ;) |
| 03:56.41 | jaytee | "Where's the basement?" |
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| 03:57.49 | jaytee | "The stars at night shine big and bright" CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP "deep in the heart of Texas" |
| 03:57.55 | [TK]D-Fender | waits to see who makes it into office for next year.... |
| 03:58.01 | jaytee | ManxPower in da house!!! |
| 03:58.20 | ManxPower | looks over his glasses at jaytee |
| 03:58.27 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, in your gov't? or ours? |
| 03:58.49 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Yours. Mine is harmless either either of the top 2 parties gets it. |
| 03:59.05 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: YOURS can really #^ the world up. |
| 03:59.15 | ManxPower | LOL! |
| 03:59.19 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Economy of scal :) |
| 03:59.26 | jaytee | well, we could either end up with Mr Charisma or Old Daddy Depends and the Hockey Mom |
| 03:59.27 | [TK]D-Fender | scale* |
| 03:59.50 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: I worry about the trigger in Mr. Grumpy's hands... |
| 04:00.19 | jaytee | and statistically McCain has a one in three chance of living through a 4 year term so Palin would be Hockey Mom Bitch President |
| 04:00.58 | Alton2 | sexy president! :-) |
| 04:01.01 | [TK]D-Fender | RP 2008!!!!! |
| 04:01.09 | jblack | I'm voiting RP |
| 04:01.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Alton2: I'd rather do France's first lady ;) |
| 04:01.24 | [TK]D-Fender | ohhh la la |
| 04:01.29 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, yeah. I have respect for POWs and all but the guy crashed 5 planes before he got taken prisoner and graduated at the bottom of his class at the academy. |
| 04:01.30 | Alton2 | Um, yes, she is certainly acceptable. |
| 04:01.56 | jaytee | my bumper sticker reads "Shatner/Hasselhoff '08" |
| 04:01.59 | ManxPower | jaytee: it does not qualify him in the foreign policy area. |
| 04:02.00 | Alton2 | I've never liked McCain. Palin seems ok though. |
| 04:02.26 | ManxPower | "Cthulhu 2008! Why settle for the lesser of two evils?" |
| 04:02.27 | jaytee | ManxPower, you mean McCain? |
| 04:02.31 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: He served... yeah, thats great. Then he became a politician who will pull ever dirty trick, stands for nothing (but winning), and whose temper is going to fuck stuff up real bad at the worst times in the worst ways. |
| 04:02.37 | ManxPower | jaytee: correct |
| 04:02.50 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: The guy needs handlers and would be the perfect fascist "tool" |
| 04:02.54 | jaytee | ManxPower, I wouldn't argue with that |
| 04:02.57 | Alton2 | Yup, I've always believed McCain is only out for himself. |
| 04:03.13 | jaytee | and [TK]D-Fender I agree he's dangerous. |
| 04:03.16 | ManxPower | Granted, I pretty much only listen to liberal media, but it just seems like McCain is an idiot. |
| 04:03.17 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: I considered buying that t-shirt :) |
| 04:03.46 | jaytee | the Republicans slammed Kerry for all the things that McCain is guilty of. He's a major waffler. |
| 04:03.55 | [TK]D-Fender | My top 3 are out, but Obama ain't bad as options go. |
| 04:04.18 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: he can't do any worse than the past 8 years |
| 04:04.34 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: \o/ - lowered expectations! |
| 04:04.55 | jaytee | I think Obama inspires people but he voted Nay on the FISA bill after making all kinds of overtures about privacy rights. that's hypocritical. |
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| 04:05.24 | ManxPower | jaytee: Disappointing, yes. |
| 04:05.59 | prg3 | With queues, I have hold music with my SIP phones, but trying with the zaptel incoming calls, I'm not getting the hold music.. is there anything that I'm missing here? |
| 04:06.00 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: yeah, hes's got his disagreable points, but it IS actually a matter of lesser evils at this point (sad) for which at least the significance is poignant. |
| 04:06.12 | jaytee | ManxPower, shit I expected it from Sen Lugar and the rest of the Republicans but Obama talks a good line but his voting record almost makes him look like he's one them. |
| 04:06.19 | [TK]D-Fender | prg3: Sorry, this is #politics now. Come back in the morning :) |
| 04:06.26 | prg3 | D'oh :) |
| 04:06.44 | prg3 | I'd vote for Harper.. but likely wrong country's politics :) |
| 04:06.46 | jaytee | [TK]D-Fender, ok so lesser evils are good and that means it's a choice between Obama, Nader or Cthulu. |
| 04:06.57 | ManxPower | prg3: remember in zaptel you set the options THEN have the channel => line |
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| 04:07.27 | prg3 | ManxPower: that's there.. you're talking musiconhold=default? |
| 04:07.31 | [TK]D-Fender | prg3: I kinda liked the minority gov't... meant no arbitrary shit got passed. No serious progress, but no serious damage either. a cautious balance. |
| 04:07.52 | ManxPower | prg3: and is that line before any channel => line in /etc/asterisk/zapata.conf? |
| 04:07.57 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: last I checked, Cthulu was a GREATER demon... |
| 04:08.01 | prg3 | [TK]D-Fender: I agree.. as long as they don't screw with the cash cow oil sands, I don't care what Ottawa does |
| 04:08.21 | Maliuta | [TK]D-Fender: it's daemon, not demon ;) |
| 04:08.23 | prg3 | ManxPower: Yup, there are only 2 non-comment lines before that line in the file, it's right after [channels] |
| 04:08.23 | jaytee | "The government that governs least governs best" - Henry David Thoreau |
| 04:08.35 | [TK]D-Fender | prg3: its privatized anyways... actually I believe water is going to be our big battleground in the years to come. |
| 04:08.47 | ManxPower | prg3: OK, and you have a [default] class in musiconhold.conf? |
| 04:08.53 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: Wise words. |
| 04:09.02 | prg3 | [TK]D-Fender:Oh yeah, the US is going to take us over shortly for the water.. |
| 04:09.03 | jaytee | he was a wise man |
| 04:09.26 | prg3 | ManxPower: Yup, and from the SIP phones, it works just fine. |
| 04:09.34 | ManxPower | today he would have been thrown in jail for being a radical |
| 04:09.40 | ManxPower | prg3: weird. |
| 04:09.45 | jaytee | that has always been one of my favorite quotes along with Emerson's "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" |
| 04:09.58 | ManxPower | prg3: At least 1/2 of the time at this point you discover you have a typo. |
| 04:10.18 | prg3 | what's the other 50%? |
| 04:10.27 | jaytee | water, hahaha. "That's my bottle of Aquafina!!! Hands off!" "Oh, yeah?" BANG |
| 04:10.29 | ManxPower | I'm using the royal "you", of course. |
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| 04:10.39 | ManxPower | prg3: the other 50% I discover that you lied to me. |
| 04:10.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Bottled water = the ultimate wasteful scam |
| 04:10.54 | prg3 | will extension contexts make a difference? i.e the zaptels are coming in on a different context, with a Goto |
| 04:11.12 | jaytee | tap water = tastes almost as good as your cat's urine! |
| 04:11.19 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: Yes, for most places. But where I live the water is not drinkable and a treatment system is too expensive at this point. |
| 04:11.23 | prg3 | ManxPower: Hmm.. I'm not liking my ods.. |
| 04:11.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Live in the "free world" with all these things with hold over 3rd world countries and we need a brand on our already clean drinking water. We get bankrupted for being sick. |
| 04:11.34 | mchou | jaytee: I hope you're joking |
| 04:11.40 | ManxPower | jaytee: ANY city treated tap water is more drinkable than where I live. |
| 04:11.42 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: Yes, you are in the forsaken land indeed |
| 04:11.52 | jaytee | mchou, one word..... Britta |
| 04:12.04 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: I'm sure it's the fault of those commie ho-mo-sex-uals. |
| 04:12.10 | mchou | jaytee: Britta harbors more bacteria |
| 04:12.16 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:12.27 | jaytee | floor-eee-day-shun!!! damm commies!!!! |
| 04:12.54 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: Group sex is not "communism", its merely "communicable" (is all the worst ways) |
| 04:12.54 | jaytee | "corrupting our precious bodily fluids" |
| 04:12.56 | mchou | the funny thing is most bottled water is tap water |
| 04:13.14 | [TK]D-Fender | mchou: Yup |
| 04:13.14 | ManxPower | The sulphor in the water here clogs the activated charcoal , cuts the useful lifetime of the filter by %75. Same applies to the iron in the water when used with reverse osmosis |
| 04:13.52 | mchou | ManxPower: where you live? Yellowstone? |
| 04:13.59 | ManxPower | Oh, almost all the water I buy is from McGee AR municipal tap |
| 04:14.14 | jaytee | ManxPower, well here Indianapolis and the surrounding areas sit on a huge strata of limestone. Your glasses develop a lovely white film after a few washes. |
| 04:14.31 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: A little over an hour ago I dipped out with teh camera & tripod for some night photography. Got some great shots on long exposures including a sick nice one at ISO 100 @ 15s |
| 04:14.41 | [TK]D-Fender | jaytee: I need to set up a flikr account or something |
| 04:14.49 | jaytee | you do! |
| 04:15.02 | jaytee | I used to love night photography |
| 04:15.10 | ManxPower | mchou: top of a mountian in Alabama, water has a ph of (5 or 5.5 depending on when the test is run), iron is off the scale of the test kit I had and the hydrogen sulfide is...annoying |
| 04:15.24 | mchou | haha, H2S |
| 04:15.30 | jaytee | "What's that smell?" |
| 04:15.38 | mchou | rotten eggs :) |
| 04:15.50 | jaytee | "did someone eat alot of eggs and just fart?" |
| 04:15.58 | ManxPower | a chlorine into the well helps with the iron and eliminates the sulphur, but that just makes it suitable to shower in and do dishes with, not to drink. |
| 04:16.12 | jaytee | paper mills smell kinda like that |
| 04:16.46 | mchou | smelling like roses |
| 04:16.56 | ManxPower | Ya know what is REALLY ironic? Less than 1/4 of a mile from the property line there is a city water line. Actually one on EACH SIDE of the property (different towns). |
| 04:17.18 | ManxPower | Neither city will run the pipes to the property because it would require blasting thru too much rock. |
| 04:17.43 | jaytee | ManxPower, ever think of moving? |
| 04:17.57 | ManxPower | jaytee: there are other....nice things...about where I live. |
| 04:18.10 | denon | some would call it nice |
| 04:18.16 | denon | others would .. take a different road :) |
| 04:18.17 | jaytee | and there's always Culligan! |
| 04:19.07 | jaytee | the guy that invented the Segway has come out with a portable water purifier that looked interesting. |
| 04:20.27 | denon | ManxPower is ignoring me now :) |
| 04:20.54 | ManxPower | 15 gallons for $25. |
| 04:21.08 | ManxPower | It's quite a bit cheaper to buy the 1 gal jugs at walmart |
| 04:21.10 | jaytee | from where? |
| 04:21.20 | denon | and walmart has culligan water |
| 04:21.33 | ManxPower | kenwood springs for louisiana |
| 04:21.40 | denon | ah |
| 04:21.45 | denon | ours is culligan |
| 04:21.55 | jaytee | http://asap.ap.org/stories/240474.s |
| 04:21.57 | denon | then again, I'm sure it's just a culligan system tied to local water |
| 04:22.11 | denon | RO is RO |
| 04:22.29 | ManxPower | denon: unless you can't RO the water. 8-( |
| 04:23.04 | ManxPower | the acidic PH suprized me in the local water |
| 04:23.30 | denon | huh |
| 04:23.53 | ManxPower | denon: the water where I live is acidic |
| 04:24.54 | denon | rainwater tank |
| 04:25.09 | denon | you can drink rainwater just fine, especially if filtered |
| 04:25.16 | jaytee | one of Dean Kamen's portable systems |
| 04:25.32 | denon | those probably cost a mill a piece |
| 04:25.49 | jaytee | not if he's developing them for third world countries |
| 04:26.02 | jaytee | denon, read the link ^^^^^ |
| 04:26.06 | denon | I did |
| 04:26.11 | denon | did it have a price? |
| 04:26.14 | denon | overlooked it if it did |
| 04:26.44 | jaytee | no but if it's aimed at poor and undeveloped countries a big price tag would be self defeating. |
| 04:26.52 | denon | well .. |
| 04:26.58 | denon | foreign aid would provide one |
| 04:27.08 | denon | send over one machine, instead of digging 10 wells |
| 04:27.25 | denon | cheaper than a well doesn't mean cheaper than walmart water for manx |
| 04:27.41 | ManxPower | denon: Rainwater is an interesting idea. It would be clean enough some simple filtering/treatment would work very well. |
| 04:27.42 | jaytee | once mass production got going full swing most people could afford one if they can afford a refridgerator. |
| 04:27.52 | denon | ManxPower: they use rainwater all of australia |
| 04:27.54 | denon | right off the tin roofs |
| 04:28.04 | denon | and whatever collects in the tank |
| 04:28.17 | jaytee | ManxPower, yeah, unless you live in the prevailing upwind of a bunch of coal fired power plants. |
| 04:28.18 | denon | jaytee: hopefully .. assuming he isn't looking to get rich off em |
| 04:28.31 | denon | then again, china will steal the idea and make em for 1/5th the cost, and half the size |
| 04:28.39 | jaytee | then the rain is going to be acid and have sulfur |
| 04:28.46 | ManxPower | denon: if nothing else it could supplement what I buy |
| 04:29.07 | denon | ManxPower: yeah .. it's also extremely soft, if you feel like hooking it into plumbing |
| 04:29.11 | denon | makes for very nice showers |
| 04:29.49 | denon | you can bury the rainwater tank, too . . keeps the water cooler, and a little more aesthetic, but you loose the collection from the tank itself |
| 04:30.41 | jaytee | solar powered distillation units are the way to go! |
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| 04:31.58 | ManxPower | that was odd |
| 04:32.10 | jaytee | you nick collided |
| 04:32.36 | jaytee | your |
| 04:32.46 | ManxPower | no, I killed ManxPower via nickserv before assuming his identity. |
| 04:32.52 | ManxPower | 8-) |
| 04:33.12 | denon | oh heh |
| 04:33.14 | jaytee | hopefully you got his PIN number for his debit card first |
| 04:33.22 | denon | SSN! |
| 04:33.27 | denon | we dont need no stinkin pins |
| 04:34.07 | denon | you ever consider that the SSN "address block" is large enough for every us citizen and perm resident to have one .. |
| 04:34.13 | jaytee | ah crap, I've gotta go to bed. didn't realize it was this late. |
| 04:34.18 | denon | and yet, somehow ipv4 isnt enough for public machines? |
| 04:34.35 | jaytee | nite all |
| 04:35.10 | ManxPower | denon: if we ever run out of address space for SSNs, it will be equally as bad. |
| 04:35.17 | denon | perhaps |
| 04:35.21 | denon | then again, people keep dying |
| 04:35.28 | denon | as do computers, I guess |
| 04:35.49 | ManxPower | do they recycle numbers? |
| 04:35.59 | denon | I dont know .. Im guessing after 100y or something they will |
| 04:36.00 | [TK]D-Fender | Nick needs to have his drivers license rekoved.... keeps hitting services |
| 04:36.52 | denon | " SSNs are not recycled. Upon an individual's death, the number is removed from the active files and is not reused. Recycling numbers might become an issue someday, but not any time soon -- statisticians say that the nine-digit SSN allows for approximately one billion possible combinations. " |
| 04:37.04 | ManxPower | All SSN trivia :http://www.sharon-herald.com/business/local_story_237211459.html?keyword=topstory |
| 04:37.32 | denon | so its a guid even |
| 04:37.39 | prg3 | you need a statistician to tell you that 10^9 is a billion? |
| 04:37.44 | denon | how is it that such a simple system is so much more flexible than a complex one |
| 04:37.57 | denon | then again, you don't have the wasted overhead of subnetting SSNs |
| 04:38.56 | denon | no need for a broadcast or network ssn |
| 04:38.59 | denon | just the number itself |
| 04:42.25 | ManxPower | denon: if they add even one digit to the SSN...... |
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| 04:42.38 | denon | yeah .. or move the dash |
| 04:42.39 | ManxPower | which is really what ipv6 is, adding digits |
| 04:43.01 | denon | dashes dont need to be there .. not like ip octets |
| 04:43.10 | denon | could remove a dash, move it one place over, etc |
| 04:43.16 | denon | and gain an insane number of combinations |
| 04:43.24 | ManxPower | In any system I've worked with the dashes are not stored, it's a display thig. |
| 04:43.29 | denon | (breaking a lot of software, but that's not their problem) |
| 04:43.40 | denon | but the SSA issues it with dashes |
| 04:43.47 | denon | so technically, the SSN is a string. not a number |
| 04:43.54 | denon | they can manipulate it however they want |
| 04:43.58 | ManxPower | they print it with dashes, that does not mean they store it as dashes. |
| 04:44.12 | denon | they request it with dashes, and print it with dashes |
| 04:44.21 | denon | they could store it with dashes if they wanted to extend the key space |
| 04:44.43 | denon | but yeah, more practical would be to just add a number |
| 04:44.54 | denon | I'm just saying .. could be flexible |
| 04:46.01 | ManxPower | I imagine it would be easier to deploy ipv6 than change every single form, document, database to add another SSN digit |
| 04:46.06 | ManxPower | 8-) |
| 04:46.10 | ManxPower | i'm off to bed |
| 04:46.15 | denon | that's not the SSA's problem |
| 04:46.17 | denon | they just add it |
| 04:46.23 | denon | it's up to the rest of the world to deal :) |
| 04:46.25 | denon | g'nite |
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| 05:48.47 | TMYates | is anyone here really familiar with NAT and SIP Phones? |
| 05:49.41 | TMYates | if there is, i could really use some guidance |
| 05:49.47 | riddlebox | whats the problem |
| 05:50.04 | TMYates | i cannot get an off site phone to work correctly |
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| 05:50.35 | riddlebox | so you have you ports forwarded to the asterisk server |
| 05:50.37 | TMYates | it says on the console that it registeres, but no calls can make it to it |
| 05:50.56 | TMYates | however i can make calls to other internal extensions |
| 05:50.59 | riddlebox | and externip is that set? |
| 05:51.04 | TMYates | yes |
| 05:51.11 | TMYates | our sip trunk works |
| 05:52.22 | TMYates | it also looks like sip packets that make it into asterisk from the off site phone have the external IP of that network, and all available ports are forwarded in both ends for testing |
| 05:52.37 | riddlebox | so it connects but you have no audio? are you connecting from outside really? or are you inside going out |
| 05:53.04 | TMYates | whats really weird is i can get the off site phone to ring, but when i answer it, the internal line keeps ringing |
| 05:53.22 | riddlebox | hrmmm |
| 05:53.29 | TMYates | im baffled |
| 05:53.43 | TMYates | i can only get that with qualify=no |
| 05:54.12 | TMYates | also tried multiple hardware/software phones and get the same result |
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| 05:54.53 | riddlebox | TMYates, do you have nat=yes in sip.conf? |
| 05:55.23 | TMYates | yes global and on the extension. also tried with no and route |
| 05:56.10 | TMYates | if it helps, im using the trixbox distro |
| 05:56.22 | riddlebox | hrmm thats all i do and I forward 5060-5062 Both, and 10,000 to 20,000 UDP |
| 05:56.44 | riddlebox | some people say if you have issues to do a stun server |
| 05:56.50 | TMYates | ive got 0-65535 UDP/TCP on both ends |
| 05:56.59 | TMYates | also tried with a STUN server |
| 05:57.14 | riddlebox | you forward all those ports to asterisk? |
| 05:57.23 | riddlebox | can you put asterisk in dmz and try it? |
| 05:57.38 | TMYates | yes and on the other end to the phone (for testing) DMZ seems to do the same |
| 05:57.49 | TMYates | also the asterisk has a static NAT mapping |
| 05:57.56 | riddlebox | so both are in dmz and you cant get it to work |
| 05:58.02 | TMYates | cisco router has a forward all |
| 05:58.06 | TMYates | thats right |
| 05:58.26 | riddlebox | hrmm thats beyond me, plus it is late and I have to get up in 4 hours |
| 05:58.42 | riddlebox | I must leave, good luck |
| 05:58.46 | TMYates | lol know the feeling |
| 05:59.00 | TMYates | anyone else here have ideas? |
| 06:02.22 | mchou | TMYates: set sip debug on and set rtp debug on |
| 06:02.35 | mchou | you wil find it's a nat traversal issue |
| 06:02.49 | mchou | will* |
| 06:03.26 | TMYates | one would think, but im having a hard time seeing that. packets are getting to each side and all is forwarded, it does seem like rtp might be good to debug |
| 06:04.58 | mchou | there is nothing mysterious about it |
| 06:07.06 | TMYates | no rtcp packets hit the asterisk server. it seems that even with my sip phone claiming "registered", an internal caller cannot call the offsite extension, but the offsite extension can call internally (and call is full-duplex), all offsite ports possible TCP/UDP are forwarded to the phone itself |
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| 06:08.29 | mchou | you the same guy who had this issue about 24 hrs ago? |
| 06:08.46 | TMYates | been on the server less than an hour. first time |
| 06:09.00 | mchou | ok. different dude then |
| 06:09.05 | TMYates | yes |
| 06:09.06 | mchou | same problem |
| 06:09.18 | TMYates | sounds interesting. was there a solution? |
| 06:09.26 | mchou | I wasnt around |
| 06:09.30 | TMYates | ah |
| 06:10.05 | TMYates | it just seems like the phone is only half registered on the server |
| 06:10.18 | mchou | the sip headers and RTP setup should tell you all you need to know to solve this |
| 06:10.40 | mchou | there is no half registered. It is or it isnt |
| 06:11.01 | TMYates | they all look fine on the sip side, except calling the offsite extension goes straight to congestion |
| 06:11.14 | TMYates | no sip created |
| 06:11.21 | mchou | that's like saying Palin's daughter is half pregnant |
| 06:11.27 | TMYates | lol |
| 06:13.00 | mchou | and you can still register correctly and have RTP packets go to wrong places |
| 06:13.16 | mchou | or even SIP packets, for that matter |
| 06:13.37 | mchou | especially if there's no keep-alive |
| 06:14.10 | TMYates | i understand that, but for now, why would it go straight to congestion when i try to call that extension. Sip debug shows no packets |
| 06:14.34 | mchou | wtf |
| 06:15.00 | mchou | you think I'm clairvoyant or something? |
| 06:15.48 | mchou | you figure it out since you're the one who has all the info |
| 06:15.59 | TMYates | im just sleep deprived and been at this for the past 10 hours trying to get somewhere. the best i could get is a ring to the phone with qualify=no |
| 06:16.48 | mchou | no matter how much you whine no one can solve this for you. |
| 06:18.06 | mchou | and 'qualify=no' and stuff ringing has nothing to do with each other |
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| 06:26.35 | TMYates | does the rtcp go through the asterisk system or is it a peer to peer model? |
| 06:27.24 | mchou | that all depends on reinvite settings |
| 06:27.58 | TMYates | so canreinvite=no would make it go through the asterisk box? |
| 06:28.29 | mchou | yup |
| 06:29.14 | TMYates | it must be some sort of rtcp issue i am having then. i just got a sip packet on the phone for voicemail.... |
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| 06:31.22 | patrick-- | Good Morning Ladies :) |
| 06:32.47 | TMYates | uhg... |
| 06:35.36 | TMYates | stupid asterisk! |
| 06:35.41 | TMYates | lol |
| 06:35.54 | patrick-- | so untrue! |
| 06:35.55 | patrick-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.30 | TMYates | when it is configured properly its awesome.... |
| 06:39.26 | jblack | TMYates: That's correct. canreinvite=no forces the call to stay on the box. |
| 06:40.05 | TMYates | now im getting rtcp messages on the box but the box is acting like it does not know how to route them... |
| 06:40.08 | jblack | reinvite is typically enabled to cut out the middleman, so to speak. |
| 06:40.19 | jblack | Perhaps it's a firewall problem. |
| 06:40.32 | jblack | I'd check out the sip debug, and perhaps do a tcp dump to see where things are being sent. |
| 06:40.53 | TMYates | im open to any ideas.... firewalls are on forward all to asterisk and the remote side |
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| 06:41.42 | TMYates | i do get sip messages on both sides. in fact my voicemail light keeps coming on during these tests |
| 06:42.08 | TMYates | when i do sip show peers though it shows unavailable |
| 06:44.17 | drmessano | Anyone use Aretta for termination? |
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| 06:45.37 | Specialist1 | hello everyone |
| 06:46.55 | Specialist1 | i want to receive incomming traffic on a specific DID and need the DID to ask for PIN before making a call |
| 06:48.52 | awk | any hylafax guys here, just wondering a small issue with perm I guess.. don't want to paste unless people actually using it |
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| 06:55.03 | TMYates | what would cause the Asterisk Server to "lose a packet" for RTCP when it looks like it picked it up? |
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| 07:02.24 | dominic1 | Hello, can anybody tell me what I can do with iaxprov.conf? |
| 07:02.31 | dominic1 | except deleting it... |
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| 07:05.28 | WimpMan | dominic1: Buy an IAXy |
| 07:06.38 | dominic1 | what is that? |
| 07:07.16 | WimpMan | ata |
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| 07:08.01 | talntid | anyone know if this is a decent deal? |
| 07:08.01 | talntid | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=260285051581 |
| 07:12.54 | dominic1 | okay, thank you very much wimpman |
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| 07:16.38 | jblack | Hi |
| 07:16.39 | jblack | talntid: You're up late |
| 07:17.38 | talntid | yup =) |
| 07:17.43 | talntid | you're up early |
| 07:18.51 | jblack | can't sleep. Still stressed |
| 07:18.57 | talntid | lame |
| 07:18.58 | talntid | :\ |
| 07:19.16 | jblack | my worry of the hour is when my "claim clock" started. |
| 07:20.16 | drmessano | ? |
| 07:20.54 | jblack | I probably won SSDI today, but now I'm worried I mucked up when the SSA thinks I became "disabled". |
| 07:25.16 | jblack | I did some part time work early in the year, and I'm worried that they'll consider it gainful. However, I claimed much earlier than that, and they may retroactively take me back to six months after my last full time work. |
| 07:25.28 | jblack | Literally tens of thousands lay in the balance. |
| 07:26.36 | dominic1 | does anybody know this error: [MYODBCUtilReadDataSource.c][233][ERROR] Unknown attribute (Trace). |
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| 07:56.19 | nicox | hi, anyone there? |
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| 08:28.14 | nicox | Hi? |
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| 08:43.51 | nicox | hi, someone there? |
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| 08:52.59 | WimpMan | nicox: Where? |
| 08:54.06 | nicox | i have running some asterisks and between each of them transfers are possible (the shortest way of media path will be used) but since 1.6.0 there is no transfer |
| 08:54.13 | nicox | i have no idea why |
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| 09:05.49 | itguru | I'm having a bad day :( trying to set up a sangoma a400 card, and I'm not sure where to start |
| 09:06.26 | drmessano | Well, it plugs into the computer like a slice of toast goes into a toaster |
| 09:06.31 | nicox | i think thats a card with POTS? |
| 09:06.31 | drmessano | So you need to open the package |
| 09:06.35 | itguru | Sorry it's an A200 |
| 09:06.42 | drmessano | Take the card out |
| 09:06.49 | drmessano | Hold it shiny side down |
| 09:07.14 | drmessano | Now, computer needs to be powered off to do this, or else you'll let the smoke out of the card |
| 09:07.17 | drmessano | That is NOT good |
| 09:07.52 | drmessano | You're gonna open the computer and look for white slotty thingo |
| 09:08.12 | drmessano | make sure it's one that is open.. one card per slotty thingo please |
| 09:08.56 | drmessano | Slide the shiny fingery part of the card into the slotty thingo, with the telephone looking hole facing towards the back of the computer |
| 09:09.34 | jblack | You forgot to instruct him on how to gain entry to the boxy thing. |
| 09:10.18 | WimpMan | hopes there aren't any juper thingies that need shuffeling. |
| 09:10.20 | drmessano | When you have the card in place, there is a little metal thing bar thingo that has a little slot for a screw to go into in order to keep this in place. This may be replaced with a flip over cover thingo or green-clip-of-doom thingo |
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| 09:10.30 | drmessano | Secure the card carefully |
| 09:10.53 | drmessano | Now |
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| 09:11.06 | drmessano | This would be a good time to make sure you've installed the card in the correct computer |
| 09:11.38 | agx | anyone had problem with providers using "SIPARATOR" ? i've one way audio on 20% of the calls from asterisk 1.4.17 |
| 09:11.49 | drmessano | Make sure you have installed this in your asterisk based PBX. Sorry Vista fans :( |
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| 09:16.46 | mr_claus | hi, can anybody give me some hint which usb isdn hardware is a good one to use with asterisk? |
| 09:19.27 | WimpMan | has heared roumors that some people have tried it, but no clue if anyone ever succeeded. |
| 09:21.28 | drmessano | Why would you want to use USB ISDN? |
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| 09:21.49 | Daviey | Hi, anyone in the UK with access to ISDN30 about? |
| 09:22.23 | mr_claus | drmessano: because i have no pci slot available |
| 09:22.43 | mr_claus | drmessano: i would use it if it's possible for me |
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| 09:23.34 | drmessano | What kind of slots do you have? |
| 09:23.49 | nicox | Hi, did anyone knows iif there is a bug in 1.6.0-rc6 with transfers on IAX-Calls? |
| 09:25.38 | mr_claus | drmessano: i have two pci slots, one is used with a dvb-t card the other one with a raid controller, so no more slots left |
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| 09:26.51 | drmessano | Why do you have a dvb-t card in your PBX? |
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| 09:30.37 | mr_claus | drmessano: thats offtopic :) but .. i try to use only and only one server to serve all things i would like to have |
| 09:31.09 | mr_claus | drmessano: that means filesevice, mail, dns, mythbuntu (only server), pbx, nx-ts ..... |
| 09:31.16 | enno | "chan_misdn.c:4344 cb_events: Extension can never match" <-- i tried adding a exten = _X.,1,Goto(ringroups-custom-1,s,1) to my [DID_trunk_m1] section but didnt help. What can it be? Dialout works fine |
| 09:31.26 | mr_claus | drmessano: i will run all these things in seperate xen-domU's |
| 09:32.48 | mr_claus | drmessano: the reason why i would like to use only one hardware is very simple, i would like to reduce the power consumption of my server structure |
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| 09:35.25 | sehh | hey people |
| 09:35.29 | *** part/#asterisk nicox (n=nicox@dsl-82-106.utaonline.at) |
| 09:37.19 | sehh | i've got two asterisk servers setup in two different locations, both use ISDN lines with Beronet BRI cards. Everything works fine except DTMF tones. Location 1 has an IVR and when Location 2 calls their IVR, the DTMF tones aren't recognized. Can someone please give me a few pointes on how to debug the problem? |
| 09:37.22 | mort_gib | mr_claus: not a good idea, have a look at Soekris 5501 boards |
| 09:37.40 | mort_gib | sehh: Codecs |
| 09:37.54 | sehh | mort_gib, both locations use alaw only |
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| 09:38.11 | sehh | mort_gib, also both locations use Grandstream phones |
| 09:38.44 | MoutaPT | does any one here knows how to decrease timeout of ENUMLOOKUP function in asterisk or enum_query in openser? |
| 09:38.51 | sehh | asterisk and the phones are set to dtmf method: rfc2833 |
| 09:39.05 | tzafrir_laptop | mr_claus, asterisk needs to respond quickly enough to your audio. If it doesn't, you drop packets/frames/whatever and you lose quality |
| 09:39.48 | tzafrir_laptop | If you do too many other things on the same server, you risk dropping out voice frames occasionally |
| 09:39.49 | sehh | also, i called my mobile phone from Location 2 just to make sure that DTMF tones are generated properly and indeed they are. |
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| 09:39.52 | itguru | ls |
| 09:40.10 | sehh | itguru, bin etc tmp usr var |
| 09:40.21 | itguru | Anyone have any experience of configuring a Sagoma A200 card? |
| 09:40.36 | itguru | sehh: good one! |
| 09:40.44 | sehh | heh thanks :) |
| 09:41.18 | itguru | I'm having my ass kicked by a setup script - not 100% sure what the settings should be |
| 09:41.20 | mvanbaak | itguru: the sangoma wiki has very nice documentation for that |
| 09:41.50 | tzafrir_laptop | itguru, if you want help here, pastebin your failed attempts |
| 09:42.06 | tzafrir_laptop | That said, I don't think I'm the one who can help |
| 09:42.49 | tzafrir_laptop | (and also: give details of your system, distro, kernel version, zaptel version and the version of Sangoma drivers you try to install) |
| 09:42.54 | itguru | mvanbaak: tzafrir_laptop Okay, no probs - I was trawlling the wiki this morning, but got bored. I'll get back on it |
| 09:43.21 | mort_gib | itguru: I use them (A200) what's your problem |
| 09:46.09 | mr_claus | mort_gib: i'm sure my dual-core can handle the domU's, if not then it was a nice try and i will migrate the domU to another dedicated hardware |
| 09:46.41 | mort_gib | mr_claus: I understand perfectly well, but * != otehr tasks |
| 09:47.08 | mort_gib | But it also depends on how many users you want |
| 09:47.19 | mort_gib | -Did you consider a "Media Gateway" setup?? |
| 09:47.44 | mr_claus | mort_gib: i only want to connect two IP phones to a sipgate and via isdn |
| 09:47.58 | mr_claus | mort_gib: that's it |
| 09:48.46 | mort_gib | Get a "media gateway" that allows your * install to pass outgoing calls via SIP |
| 09:50.37 | WimpMan | mr_claus: Maybe it would be a better idea to exchange the DVB card for an usb thingie? |
| 09:50.43 | mr_claus | mort_gib: the soekris 5501 take another 20w power |
| 09:51.00 | MoutaPT | no one running enumlookups over here in their servers? |
| 09:51.15 | mr_claus | to understand it, is the problem an isdn usb device or the domU? |
| 09:51.37 | mort_gib | I would say USB... |
| 09:52.14 | dominic1 | I have huge problems with realtime and iax |
| 09:52.31 | dominic1 | if I add a iax peer to the config |
| 09:52.44 | mort_gib | In your setup, or your desired setup, a media gateway would be a good solution, but might use another 20W |
| 09:52.46 | dominic1 | I have no problem, my connection works wonderful |
| 09:53.10 | dominic1 | but not from the database. The database is not updated and I always get authority not found |
| 09:53.21 | dominic1 | I thought the port field should get updated |
| 09:53.33 | dominic1 | but not in my configuration |
| 09:53.43 | dominic1 | my sip table works without any problems |
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| 09:56.15 | mr_claus | mort_gib: i worked a long time with a bewan isdn usb device to handle data connections, it worked well and without problems and was simple due native drivers without capi |
| 09:56.43 | mr_claus | mort_gib: but i don't know how it would work with the encoding |
| 09:56.53 | WimpMan | What driver? |
| 09:57.37 | mr_claus | i have to take a look |
| 09:58.44 | mr_claus | i think i used the hisax driver |
| 09:59.22 | WimpMan | That will be of no use. You'd need misdn for example. |
| 10:01.14 | mr_claus | what's about the hfc chip devices? |
| 10:01.56 | WimpMan | Usualli HFC works well with misdnm but I have no idea about usb support. |
| 10:02.36 | WimpMan | Whereas HFC hardware wo'nt do propper audio in I4L for some reason. |
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| 10:06.54 | mr_claus | is there any list of chips/devices available which are proposed to use or which are tested? |
| 10:07.13 | dominic1 | any idea why I am not able to create iax trunks via realtime, but with exactly the same configuration the trunk works in iax.conf |
| 10:07.20 | mr_claus | if there is no other solution i would use dedicated hardware but i will try to use my server first |
| 10:08.46 | WimpMan | mr_claus: If it works, tell us. Then we know it's possible. |
| 10:09.18 | mr_claus | WimpMan: i will do that of course |
| 10:09.44 | dominic1 | http://pastebin.com/d745610df |
| 10:10.02 | mr_claus | WimpMan: a colleague is running asterisk in a domU and it works, but he's using a pci device |
| 10:21.50 | mr_claus | WimpMan: ok, there are two drivers, misdn and i4l, misdn supports hfcpci and avmfritz, the i4l a lot of other chipsets |
| 10:22.08 | mr_claus | WimpMan: as i understand i should try to use misdn because i4l is not working very well |
| 10:22.32 | mr_claus | WimpMan: so i have to find a hfc-usb or avm-usb device which is supported by misdn |
| 10:24.02 | WimpMan | I4L is working well, but 1. not with hfc chips and audio and 2. not with Asterisk. |
| 10:24.19 | WimpMan | So yes, your best bet is misdn. |
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| 10:31.49 | enno | here is the extensions.conf which makes "extension can never match" http://pastebin.com/d5e2067c6 does anyone see any problem? |
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| 10:34.04 | enno | guten morgen wonderworld |
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| 10:41.11 | _zoomy_ | Hey everyone. just wanted some input on the simplest way to implement a multi-level menu system for inbound calls? |
| 10:42.45 | _zoomy_ | The most straight forward way seems to be to have "sub-contexts" for each menu alternative. And then you work your way down the contexts. |
| 10:42.47 | zamba | _zoomy_: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+tips+IVR+menu |
| 10:44.59 | _zoomy_ | zamba: thanks. yeah i found that page too. have you tried the "Implementing a high-density without wearing out your keyboard"? I am not sure if you will be able to have an overview of the menu? |
| 10:45.39 | zamba | _zoomy_: i haven't really tried banging my head at that project yet :) |
| 10:45.47 | zamba | _zoomy_: my menu is pretty flat :) |
| 10:46.11 | _zoomy_ | zamba: hehe alright ;) |
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| 10:47.16 | zamba | i'm not masochist enough :) |
| 10:47.25 | _zoomy_ | zamba: the thing is i am gonna build a system where customers can perform some stuff via telephone. first they need to log in and then continue down the menu |
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| 10:52.08 | _zoomy_ | anyone else who has a taste about writing a "clean but effective" dialplan for multi-level menus? |
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| 10:54.30 | s0ck_ | hurrah |
| 10:55.53 | _zoomy_ | zamba: thanks again, think im gonna go with the "one context per menu level" now as a start then. |
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| 11:21.27 | servettas | hi everyone, |
| 11:23.14 | mr_claus | WimpMan: do you know an pci-e isdn card? |
| 11:23.16 | servettas | i am trying use spa400 with asterisk. When i get inbound call my line is breaking and looking SIP/2.0 406 Not Acceptable error msg. can anyone help me |
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| 11:32.49 | mr_claus | how much is the BN2S0e PCIexpress 2 Port BRI Card? i cannot find any prices, but probably it is expensive |
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| 11:39.36 | kaldemar | mr_claus: cannot find? then you haven't even tried. |
| 11:39.44 | WimpMan | mr_claus: Only bigger ones, not single BRI. |
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| 11:45.07 | mr_claus | kaldemar: i looked on the beronet shop but without any account no prices are available |
| 11:46.26 | tzafrir_laptop | mr_claus, there are cheaper single-span BRI PCI cards. If you're just experimenting with Asterisk, or if this is for your home, get those |
| 11:46.37 | mr_claus | hmm, prices are on pbx-shop, to pay 359 euro for a passive card? |
| 11:46.47 | tzafrir_laptop | They cost way lower. |
| 11:47.00 | tzafrir_laptop | While a bit lower on features and may require more work |
| 11:47.11 | mr_claus | tzafrir_laptop: i have no pci slot available, but i have a pci-e slot available |
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| 11:47.36 | tzafrir_laptop | you need just one port? |
| 11:47.42 | mr_claus | tzafrir_laptop: but probably it's cheaper to get a dedicated system as to buy a pci-e card |
| 11:48.09 | mr_claus | tzafrir_laptop: i need 2 lines, if i can use 2 lines with 1 port then 1 port is ok |
| 11:48.53 | tzafrir_laptop | 2 physical BRI lines (2 ports, 4 lines) or 2 lines (1 port)? |
| 11:48.59 | tzafrir_laptop | ah, 1 port |
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| 11:50.36 | ShaunWing | Say, show g729 seems to no longer work in latest 1.4 version. What do I use please? |
| 11:50.37 | mr_claus | but i cannot find a pci-e card with only 1 port |
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| 11:57.36 | ShaunWing | show g729 seems to no longer work in latest 1.4 version. What do I use please? |
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| 12:10.58 | rgsteele||work | Hm. I wrote the following to strip out the '8011' from outbound numbers if they start with that string. But it seems like it always strips it out, regardless: exten => s,n,Set(NUMTODIAL=${IF($["${MACRO_EXTEN}" : "(....)"] = "8011")?${MACRO_EXTEN:4}:${MACRO_EXTEN:1}) |
| 12:11.13 | padski | our call monitoring seems to do a funny thing. a bit like all the silence were stripped out ? |
| 12:12.01 | rgsteele||work | E.g., even if the number starts with "8130", I end up with the first four numbers stripped from the number I'm dialing. |
| 12:12.06 | henk | hi |
| 12:13.06 | henk | i want to ring several phones when a certain extension is called, but when one of the phones (snom) is on DND, the call is rejected. the only way to circumvent i can think of is using a queue. is there another? |
| 12:13.14 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: if thats the exact line then your expression is wrong. Next lesson : ${MACRO_EXTEN} is virtually worthless. Modify your macro so you pass the number to dial as an ARG, chopping it at the source so it isn't an "IF" |
| 12:14.13 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: I thought you said yesterday I should be stripping the 8011 inside the macro? |
| 12:14.25 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: Nope. |
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| 12:14.33 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: I stand corrected, then :) |
| 12:14.39 | WimpMan | henk: That's not the result I get. Are you sute you put the phone on DND, and that it's not setting it in *? |
| 12:14.49 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: I said that nothing was stripping it, which does indeed fail to do whaqt you want. |
| 12:15.31 | yang | http://pastebin.ca/1200971 this produces such errors when someone rings the unexisting extension - but the extension from our DID available pool |
| 12:15.35 | Hertzy3 | Hey all, I have a customer who's voicemail light on his polycom 501 constantly blinks, but he doesn't have any voicemail. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this? |
| 12:15.40 | yang | and these are the extensions which i have http://pastebin.ca/1200974 |
| 12:15.47 | [TK]D-Fender | henk: Pastebin the CL output of a failed attempt to do it the way you jsut described. |
| 12:16.01 | yang | i guess that my extension _0 produces a duplicate call, for every 018109xxx number received (annoying)! |
| 12:16.43 | yang | the problem is that they are in the same context |
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| 12:17.19 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Any reason in particular you think ${MACRO_EXTEN} is useless? |
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| 12:19.36 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: Yes, because what should a macro assume how it got called? What if you use a macro to ring a phone in a stardard way and fall to vm. If you call that macro from a context with the "extensions" you normally associated with them its fine. But when you want to call it in an IVR where you said "press 1 for sales", I still want Joe's<10> phone to be rung. But they dialed *1* .... |
| 12:19.37 | [TK]D-Fender | ... PASS ARGS <- |
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| 12:24.02 | yang | is there any way at all to distinguish between them if the incoming and outgoing go over 1 sip trunk? |
| 12:24.16 | henk | how do i dial more than one extension on the asterisk console? |
| 12:25.19 | henk | in the conf it's Dial(SIP/126&SIP/127) but that does not seem to work in the console. |
| 12:25.21 | yang | thinks that every incoming call is going to trigger the _0. extensions and dial forever... |
| 12:25.50 | [TK]D-Fender | henk: Just dial froma normal phone.... |
| 12:26.19 | [TK]D-Fender | yang: Very possible. That's a bad choice for a pattern match |
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| 12:27.36 | yang | [TK]D-Fender: I should replace _X. and _0. somehow, I don't know what else to give there? |
| 12:28.14 | [TK]D-Fender | yang: You should know what a normal telcom pattern looks like for your area. We shouldn't have to tell you |
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| 12:28.35 | henk | [TK]D-Fender: i'll have to add a new extension to asterisk to do so. i don't want to change too much if not necessary while asterisk is in production use. |
| 12:29.20 | [TK]D-Fender | henk: How can you have a multi-dial problem if you aren't even CAPABLE of generating it without adding something to your system? |
| 12:29.29 | [TK]D-Fender | henk: That is a large logic failure |
| 12:29.59 | yang | [TK]D-Fender: the calls come in as 018109xxx and if I would delegate _018109. to go to SIP/something then only that extension would ring for the invalid calls - i could even make a voicemail there, that could work for temporary solution |
| 12:30.52 | henk | [TK]D-Fender: it is not. we _do_ use that feature and a year ago or so we tested that and that is what i remembered about the test... now you say it does not happen like i remember and i _would_like_ to test it without changing the confs (if possible). i will do so if necessary to test it. |
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| 12:31.24 | [TK]D-Fender | henk: Well if you're talking about something that happend a year ago, go show us a problem you have now. |
| 12:32.04 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Is there an interpreter for AEL so I don't have to try this "live"? |
| 12:32.04 | [TK]D-Fender | henk: If you have to add an exten to do a multi-dial then you have nothing to show us and we can't help you. |
| 12:32.14 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: No. |
| 12:32.19 | queuetue | Can anyone recommend a 4-port FXO PCI card? (I've heard that the Digium TDM hardware isn't great...) |
| 12:32.29 | henk | [TK]D-Fender: i am actually looking for the best solution to ring multiple phones at the same time. and Dial(sip/1&sip/2) seems the easiest possibility. i don't have a real problem yet. |
| 12:32.44 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: AEL is not an interpreter, it is more like a compiler because it all boils down to extensions.conf code anyway |
| 12:33.04 | henk | i'll just change confs. that discussion won't lead anywhere i guess... |
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| 12:34.35 | [TK]D-Fender | henk: Show us a problem, and we'll help you fix it. Simple as that. |
| 12:34.35 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: So, in effect, what you're saying is I should do the same thing with ${EXTEN} before calling the macro? E.g., exten => s,n,Set(NUMTODIAL=${IF($["${EXTEN}" : "(....)"] = "8011")?${MACRO_EXTEN:4}:${MACRO_EXTEN:1}) |
| 12:34.44 | rgsteele||work | And then pass NUMTODIAL to the macro? |
| 12:35.09 | rgsteele||work | The expression is still going to be the same. |
| 12:35.09 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: No, ${EXTEN} is where you ARE. You need to pass ARGUMENTS to your Macro. Go read the basics on them. |
| 12:35.32 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: No, there wouldn't even BE an expression. |
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| 12:35.46 | rwaite | so when 1.6 is released, is that going to be the "recommended" branch? |
| 12:35.47 | Danskmand | Aloha :-) - Is it true that I cannot realize a faxserver with a plain asterisk installation using mISDN ? |
| 12:35.52 | rgsteele||work | I understand passing arguments to a macro, like "exten => _81NXXNXXXXXX,1,Macro(place-outbound-call|portable-extensions)" |
| 12:36.03 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: Each pattern that calls that macro would chop it based on how that exten already knows it should be treated |
| 12:36.14 | rwaite | realize? |
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| 12:36.36 | henk | [TK]D-Fender: hm problems only? no solutions or concepts discussed in that channel? |
| 12:36.38 | [TK]D-Fender | rwaite: "succeed" |
| 12:36.44 | rwaite | paradigm? |
| 12:37.20 | [TK]D-Fender | henk: So far I haven't heard of this "problem" from anyone else in all this time and you've got nothing to show me for your attemp that was apparently a year or more ago. |
| 12:37.42 | [TK]D-Fender | henk: There is "theory", and there is "ancient history I can only assume it true". |
| 12:38.06 | [TK]D-Fender | henk: this leans too far the "ancient" category. |
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| 12:39.49 | henk | [TK]D-Fender: true. and i just tested it and you were right. so i guess i confused two things here... |
| 12:39.50 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: I understand the basics of passing args to macros, e.g. "exten => _81NXXNXXXXXX,1,Macro(place-outbound-call|portable-extensions)" |
| 12:40.26 | rgsteele||work | But, I'll go re-read the docs, maybe something will jump out at me. |
| 12:40.43 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: go look at WHAT you are passing |
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| 12:43.16 | queuetue | If you were buying a PCI FXO, would you look towards Digium or Sangoma? |
| 12:43.33 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: I'll give you a clue : exten => _81NXXNXXXXXX,1,Macro(place-outbound-call|portable-extensions)" <-- in this line you already know the exact number you want dialed out of whatever device will do the dialing. provide it prepared. |
| 12:43.54 | [TK]D-Fender | queuetue: Strong personal preference for Sangoma here. |
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| 12:45.21 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: I'm trying to look through the docs to understand exactly how that line is working. The way it currently is written, it pulls the number I want dialed out of ${MACRO_EXTEN} inside the macro itself. |
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| 12:46.28 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: Which it shouldn't. that is not "passed" to the macro, its simply there and the macro is left to analyze why it was called and what it should do. the macro call ITSELF should tell the macro what to do. That is the poitn of passing ARGS |
| 12:47.05 | queuetue | [TK]D-Fender, Are the sangoma cards considerably more expensive, or am I just not looking in the right places? |
| 12:47.09 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: I have never written a SINGLE macro that used ${MACRO_EXTEN}. It is a stupid idea in my books and only leads to trouble. |
| 12:47.32 | [TK]D-Fender | queuetue: www.telephonydepot.com. Prices are pretty equaly between the two. |
| 12:47.48 | queuetue | Tx |
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| 12:48.32 | [TK]D-Fender | queuetue: One sangoma advantage is on the smaller cards you can daisy-chain more back-planes that share the single PCI interface (just take case space) and use EC, etc from the main board |
| 12:49.05 | Danskmand | Sorry....I was on the phone... |
| 12:49.53 | padski | heh |
| 12:49.54 | queuetue | Is Asterisk's software echo cancellation good enough, or should I spring for it in the card? |
| 12:50.18 | Danskmand | Well, I want to use asterisk as a faxserver....I saw *somewhere* that I need several add-ons to use asterisk for this....Is that true ? |
| 12:50.24 | queuetue | ($260.00 vs $540.00) |
| 12:50.46 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Ah, okay. It's beginning to get a bit more clear to me. So, what I should really do is pass an arg called (for pedagogical purposes) 'longdistance', and then the macro should know then what it's purpose is. So, for example, something like "exten => _8011.,1,Macro(place-outbound-call|international)" |
| 12:51.00 | rgsteele||work | Er, s/longdistance/international/ |
| 12:51.32 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: Nope. |
| 12:51.41 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: pass it something more practical. |
| 12:51.55 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Such as? |
| 12:52.04 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: THE NUMBER TO DIAL <- |
| 12:52.27 | [TK]D-Fender | ..... |
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| 12:52.44 | rgsteele||work | Ok, well I need to go read the docs then, because I'm not sure how to achieve that. |
| 12:53.38 | rgsteele||work | Should I set it by doing something like "exten => _8011X.,1,Set(number=${EXTEN:4})", and then pass 'number' ? |
| 12:53.56 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: *sigh* |
| 12:54.21 | Alton2 | dial(SIP/whatever/${EXTEN:4:99}) |
| 12:54.23 | Alton2 | something like that? |
| 12:54.33 | [TK]D-Fender | OMG. |
| 12:55.07 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Sorry, it's been a long time since I've dealt with AEL. I'll go read the docs some more - my lack of understanding of how it works is clearly inhibiting good practice. |
| 12:55.18 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: this isn't AEL <- |
| 12:55.58 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: what we've been working with here is common extensions.conf |
| 12:56.43 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Okay, fair enough. I'll go re-read the docs on extensions.conf. Alternatively, if you know of any good examples I can take a look at, I'd be much obliged. |
| 12:57.12 | rgsteele||work | If what you're describing is good practice, it's certainly the path I want to head down. |
| 12:57.18 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: you don't set vars and other junk when passing args, you simply pass them. |
| 12:57.29 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: 1 line. thats all this solution takes. |
| 12:57.38 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: And not even an ADDITIONAL line. |
| 12:57.53 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: Just pass the PRECISE number to call in your macro call. |
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| 13:01.04 | padski | I have some MixMonitor recordings that have all the silence squished out and the two channels out of sync. bug or feature ? |
| 13:01.22 | padski | this is on the 1.4.20 in trixbox |
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| 13:01.51 | [TK]D-Fender | padski: go look at the changelog. That isn't the current version |
| 13:02.29 | padski | nor has app_mixmonitor.c been changed since then. do you think it is likely to have fixed later ? |
| 13:03.39 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: I guess I'm just not sure of the syntax. E.g., whether it's something like "exten => _8011.,1,Macro(place-outbound-call|_8011.)", or something different. |
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| 13:04.09 | rgsteele||work | Or whether I need to parenthesize the . so it only matches the stuff after the 8011 |
| 13:04.20 | rgsteele||work | Anyways, I'll go read up more on the syntax. |
| 13:05.26 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: You want to pass the number to dial. In your last thought "_8011." would now be the contents of ARG1 |
| 13:06.11 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: you want to pass it the EXACT NUMBER to dial. This is BASED on the actual extension you DIALED. Think on it... |
| 13:06.46 | [TK]D-Fender | padski: First I've heard of this problem here. And you already know we don't want to hear anything about trixbox here. |
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| 13:08.52 | padski | [TK]D-Fender, sorry, I hadn't gathered that the trixbox aversion was that fierce :-) I see now that there was plenty in the .21 release, I should try that first. thanks for confirming that its not a feature. |
| 13:08.59 | s0ck | padski: which ver of tb? |
| 13:10.17 | padski | s0ck, the asterisk rpm is 1.4.20-1. I am not the one who has been managing the packages, so I am a little unclear beyond that. I think we are tracking something :-) |
| 13:10.32 | padski | a feed ... |
| 13:11.09 | s0ck | tb 2.6.1? my recordings sound like gibberish too |
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| 13:12.48 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Going out on a limb here... "exten => _8011.,1,Macro(place-outbound-call|${EXTEN})"? |
| 13:13.04 | rgsteele||work | ducks |
| 13:13.10 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: I'm pretty sure that isn't the number you want to pass. |
| 13:14.01 | rgsteele||work | I'm reading through lots of documentation, but not finding much on what you're describing. I'll keep searching, though. |
| 13:15.52 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: The answer isn't in the documentation. |
| 13:16.23 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: You have just shown you are capable of passing an ARG. But what you have CHOSEN to pass is not the value you want. |
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| 13:17.26 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Yeah, I guess I'm not sure what argument has stored what was matched by the . |
| 13:18.05 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: "args" don't have the number. ${ENTEN} is what was dialed on that line. You should already know this. |
| 13:18.15 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: its the most important variable in *! |
| 13:18.28 | [TK]D-Fender | ${EXTEN} |
| 13:18.35 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Yeah, I know that. So, I should be passing ${EXTEN:4} then? |
| 13:18.58 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: You pass the value you want AS an arg. in passing it, ARG1, ARG2, etc get set. |
| 13:19.50 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: Macro(mymacroname,this-is-arg1,this-is-arg-2). Now the precise CONTENT of those args is what you have to set. |
| 13:20.22 | rgsteele||work | And that can be set and passed in one line, as you said? |
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| 13:22.41 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: in the sample I just gave ${ARG1 would return "this-is-arg-1" (not in quotes) |
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| 13:22.52 | Hertzy3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.02 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: so character for character it will pass what you put when you call "Macro". |
| 13:23.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Hertzy3: its looking at another box as well or he's not clearing the right one in the first place. |
| 13:24.12 | Hertzy3 | I checked all the configs, it is not looking at any other box. And I checked the inbox on the server, its empty |
| 13:24.14 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: I understand that part. So passing ${EXTEN:4} will do exactly what I want, right? I'm not sure how else to get the number in plain text. |
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| 13:25.32 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: that will pass the number that matched the exten you are in with the first 4 chars chopped off. Is that the number you want it to dial? |
| 13:25.39 | rgsteele||work | Yes. |
| 13:25.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Hertzy3: I'm talking sip.conf here... not polycom configs... |
| 13:25.51 | rgsteele||work | If it starts with 8011, that's exactly what I want. |
| 13:25.55 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: Then go for it and report back. |
| 13:26.05 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Will do - thanks for your guidance. |
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| 13:29.39 | trelane | [TK]D-Fender, I need a polycom guru |
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| 13:31.35 | trelane | pokes his polycom whihc is being very bricjed |
| 13:31.37 | trelane | bricked |
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| 13:32.46 | [TK]D-Fender | trelane: I'm sure you'l take a flying leap at pertinent details some time before the LHC consumes us all... |
| 13:35.26 | coppice | Let's check at http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ |
| 13:35.29 | trelane | [TK]D-Fender, I'm not convinced it hasn't already, relativity being what it is |
| 13:35.59 | Hertzy3 | I dont see anything in sip.conf that would indicate a problem with this one phone |
| 13:35.59 | trelane | [TK]D-Fender, I have a 501, I recently upgraded the firmware on it only to get an error 0x20 on reboot. No big deal, so I downgraded and got 0x0, any suggestions? |
| 13:36.25 | [TK]D-Fender | theory of relativity : Why a 2-hour family supper feels like an 8 hour marathon. |
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| 13:36.46 | trelane | Loaded application sip.ld successfully, errors 0x0. |
| 13:36.50 | [TK]D-Fender | thremake sure your configs are compatible with the version you're upgrading to. #20 over tells me "no" |
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| 13:38.04 | FabiOne | hi al |
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| 13:38.20 | coppice | [TK]D-Fender: if you're family is Chinese dinner really can be an 8 hour marathon |
| 13:38.40 | [TK]D-Fender | coppice: Which must feel like WEEKS :) |
| 13:39.11 | Hertzy3 | [TK]D-Fender, That phones entry in sip.conf is exactly the same as the rest of the phones, with the right extensions replaced of course. I dont see any problem there |
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| 13:40.34 | tzafrir_laptop | yey, we now have an Asterisk instance that was sent through a time machine (on the -users list) |
| 13:40.45 | FabiOne | i've a problem loading sip && iax users from mysql |
| 13:40.47 | trelane | [TK]D-Fender, are there reference configs that I might use to confirm functionality? (basically blanks) |
| 13:40.49 | [TK]D-Fender | Hertzy3: You're going to have to show use the complete picture with backup if we're to be able to offer any real advise. Conjecture is a waste at this point. |
| 13:40.54 | FabiOne | anyone can help me? |
| 13:41.27 | [TK]D-Fender | trelane: in X.Y.Z , always start from scratch on an X or Y change |
| 13:42.09 | FabiOne | there are italians? |
| 13:42.32 | [TK]D-Fender | U CAN HAZ GRAM-UR PLZ |
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| 13:43.26 | [TK]D-Fender | FabiOne: Show us your actual problem and maybe we can help you. PASTEBIN is your friend. |
| 13:43.27 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 13:43.30 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 13:43.32 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^ |
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| 13:44.41 | Hertzy3 | [TK]D-Fender, This phone connects via FTP from a house beind a linksys router (192.168...) to a server we have here in our data center via FTP. The 0004f2xxx.cfg file points to 2 files. extxxx.cfg and sip.cfg. In extxxx.cfg, I have the mwi tag pointing to the correct voicemail. There is nothing in sip.cfg that points to any specific extension, so that should not be the problem. The entry in sip.conf appears to be just fine. The light isnt al |
| 13:44.41 | Hertzy3 | ways on, but it comes on frequently, and he checks and does not have voicemail in the system. Is there any more info you need? |
| 13:45.25 | Hertzy3 | sorry about the redundant use of "via FTP" |
| 13:46.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Hertzy3: You shouldn't be telling the phone to subscribe to MWI, but rather telling * to send NOTIFY's to the phone. |
| 13:46.16 | [TK]D-Fender | Hertzy3: solely through sip.conf |
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| 13:48.10 | Hertzy3 | [TK]D-Fender, do you know where I can see an example of this? |
| 13:48.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Hertzy3: mailbox=123@vmcontext |
| 13:48.38 | the_5th_wheel | Can anyone tell me whats wrong with this command? It seems to not want to send the arguments to the script? exten => 9101,1,Agi(worldchat.agi.php|module=chatterbox) |
| 13:48.51 | the_5th_wheel | asterisk 1.4.21.1 |
| 13:49.05 | FabiOne | this is my config |
| 13:49.07 | Hertzy3 | Oh, I have that in there already |
| 13:49.07 | FabiOne | http://rafb.net/p/rKkE0v83.html |
| 13:49.24 | FabiOne | when start asterisk connect to db |
| 13:49.51 | FabiOne | i'm tailing -f /var/log/mysql.log |
| 13:49.57 | [TK]D-Fender | the_5th_wheel: that looks fine. |
| 13:50.03 | FabiOne | and i see |
| 13:50.03 | FabiOne | 080912 15:24:18 21 Connect voip@localhost on voip |
| 13:50.06 | eric_hill | Does anyone know of any good handsets (not headsets) for use in high-noise environments? |
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| 13:50.48 | eric_hill | Or more generally, how do you put a phone on a manufacturing floor that can be easily used without yelling and cranking the volume up to 11? |
| 13:50.49 | rgsteele||work | If a reload changes the servers you're registered to, the existing calls will drop, correct? |
| 13:50.51 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: just shove a 20$ amp in front of one at worst. Thats after upping the gain on the phone itself and finding it insufficient |
| 13:50.59 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: No. |
| 13:51.12 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Ah, cool. Thanks. |
| 13:51.40 | eric_hill | [TK]D-Fender: That works for hearing the caller, but the caller hears a wad of background noise. With all the noise-cancelling stuff that's out there, I'm surprised I can't find anything line that. |
| 13:52.40 | [TK]D-Fender | eric_hill: if you have a stadium behind you I'm sorry but I can't think of a mic that is psychic enough to know what noise is YOU and what is "crap" |
| 13:53.21 | eric_hill | [TK]D-Fender: Look at the jawbone and jawbone II. I just need that in a handset. |
| 13:54.07 | Hertzy3 | [TK]D-Fender, I already have the mailbox=xxx@context statement in sip.conf. That is not causing the problem |
| 13:54.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Hertzy3: Go back everything up. folder dumps, SIP traces, CLI status checks, etc |
| 13:55.13 | eric_hill | [TK]D-Fender: I've also seen "The Boom" (http://www.theboom.com/) but they don't have a handset either... |
| 13:57.18 | trelane | [TK]D-Fender, yeah that fixed it, thanks |
| 13:57.22 | trelane | borked config setting |
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| 13:58.38 | lmadsen | bonjour! |
| 14:01.07 | shine | bonjour! |
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| 14:08.50 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: Salut mon ostie! |
| 14:09.07 | lmadsen | comment ca va [TK]D-Fender? |
| 14:09.29 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: Je recupere... |
| 14:09.41 | lmadsen | oh? too much to drink? :) |
| 14:10.33 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: nO, ACCIDENT LAST WEEKEND |
| 14:11.03 | lmadsen | oooo, ouch |
| 14:11.05 | lmadsen | what'd ya do? |
| 14:11.09 | lmadsen | fall off your motorcycle? |
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| 14:11.32 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: Lets just say my sword is quite sharp... |
| 14:11.57 | trelane | self-impalers anonymous |
| 14:12.02 | russellb | o.O |
| 14:12.04 | lmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: uh oh! |
| 14:12.08 | trelane | ok [TK]D-Fender I'm a huge advocate of gun rights, and believe that everyone should have a gun |
| 14:12.11 | lmadsen | you didn't cut off your foot did you? |
| 14:12.15 | trelane | you sir shoud _NOT_ have a gun. |
| 14:12.46 | lmadsen | trelane: he didn't hurt himself just looking at it I'm sure. [TK]D-Fender is actually quite skilled in the sword arts. |
| 14:12.48 | [TK]D-Fender | lmadsen: just an unfortunate slice into my thumb. Not too sever, but plenty of blood |
| 14:13.00 | lmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: ahhh... yep, that'll do it :) |
| 14:13.50 | [TK]D-Fender | trelane: Actually I'm more the proficient with firearms. Been shooting since I was a kid and put on gun show displays with my father. |
| 14:14.07 | [TK]D-Fender | trelane: And the speed at which I could field strip & rebuild a Colt 1911 might scare you :) |
| 14:14.55 | [TK]D-Fender | trelane: See, swords are dangerous, you are SUPPOSED to swing them around. You know you don't do that with guns. See? COMPLETELY different! |
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| 14:16.32 | trelane | I can tear down a 1911 in <10 sec |
| 14:16.34 | trelane | loves his 1911 |
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| 14:21.01 | [TK]D-Fender | trelane: given laws I nearly forgot about not having bought a gun in untold years, .45 is back in due to magazine restrictions. So a nice Springfield Armory dual-stack would do well. Comp trigger, extended safety & muzzle brake... |
| 14:21.33 | trelane | TRP Pro Operator == my next 1911 |
| 14:21.54 | trelane | right now my daily carry is a kimber Stainless Pro Carry II |
| 14:22.06 | trelane | 4" bushingless bull barrel |
| 14:23.35 | trelane | also have the .22 conversion for rabbit, raccoon, and opossum which are all neighborhood pests |
| 14:23.41 | eric_hill | trelane: I carry a Glock 30SF. It's way more fun. |
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| 14:27.54 | zako | Hi, |
| 14:28.08 | zako | i have problems with misdn + b410p |
| 14:28.30 | zako | i thing that I compiled and configured all ok |
| 14:28.39 | zako | all seem to work |
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| 14:28.50 | zako | but sometimes during the day |
| 14:29.01 | zako | bri channels don't work |
| 14:29.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Glock... meh |
| 14:29.11 | zako | and i have to reboot the server |
| 14:29.36 | WimpMan | zako: A "misdn restart port X" doesn't help? |
| 14:29.41 | zako | no |
| 14:29.52 | zako | it's something strange |
| 14:30.05 | zako | because i have the same hardware, the same software versions in other machine |
| 14:30.21 | zako | with the same misdn-init.conf and misdn.con |
| 14:30.28 | zako | without problems... |
| 14:30.37 | zako | but this server it's horrible |
| 14:30.55 | WimpMan | But maybe another NT or Switch. |
| 14:31.17 | zako | yes |
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| 14:31.30 | zako | i get "no free chan in stack" errors |
| 14:31.46 | WimpMan | I'm having reliability issues with misdn as well. Depends on the device on the other end. |
| 14:31.48 | mmlj4 | zako: you get out of luck, apparently |
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| 14:32.59 | zako | yes that's obvius mmlj4 :) |
| 14:33.49 | zako | i have tried different versions of misdn 1.1.7, 1.1.8 and 1.1.3 |
| 14:33.50 | WimpMan | zako: Are you using the latest misdn? It works better for me than the previous version. |
| 14:34.04 | zako | yes I tested |
| 14:34.07 | WimpMan | Only one telephone left that kills misdn regularly. |
| 14:34.43 | WimpMan | Well, time to take a closer look into misdn then... |
| 14:34.44 | zako | the version 1.1.8 from beronet |
| 14:34.58 | zako | and the other versions from digium using make b410p |
| 14:35.10 | zako | and allways the same errors |
| 14:36.52 | zako | when the lines are down |
| 14:36.54 | nr4q | what's a good switch that does PoE? only need about 10-12 ports on it |
| 14:37.08 | zako | i get a lof of errors: |
| 14:37.15 | zako | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.16 | zako | prim:120282 with addr:52020201 dinfo:ffffffff |
| 14:38.05 | WimpMan | BC? |
| 14:38.29 | WimpMan | That usually means Bearer Capability!?? |
| 14:38.30 | zako | I suppose B Channel |
| 14:38.36 | zako | of the ISDN |
| 14:38.58 | zako | B Channel is the data channel |
| 14:39.15 | WimpMan | Are you getting calls without channel perhaps? |
| 14:39.20 | zako | but I'm not sure |
| 14:39.46 | WimpMan | I think I have seen a setting for this somewhere, but I'm not sure it makes sense in your scenario. |
| 14:40.04 | Kobaz | nr4q: this netgear i just got is awesome... 24 port full poe |
| 14:40.08 | zako | I have 7 bri |
| 14:40.10 | WimpMan | Is it a ptp or ptmp line? |
| 14:40.22 | zako | witch 2 b410p cards |
| 14:40.30 | Kobaz | nr4q: FS728TP |
| 14:40.35 | zako | that form a mISDN group called "isdn" |
| 14:40.42 | nr4q | kobaz: cool, which model ? (needs to be rack mountable) |
| 14:40.46 | WimpMan | Wow. Wouldn't one pri be cheaper? |
| 14:40.48 | zako | they're ptp |
| 14:40.54 | Kobaz | yeap, rack mountable of course... fully managed as well |
| 14:41.01 | zako | it wasn't my decission xD |
| 14:41.11 | s0ck | finally got blf+dcp working with a snom 360! |
| 14:41.17 | nr4q | kobaz: okay thanks for the tip. looks to be exactly what i need |
| 14:41.45 | Kobaz | nr4q: all of the crap linksys switches don't have full poe on their 24 port switches, they have poe on 12 ports, what use is that? |
| 14:41.56 | nr4q | kobaz: hehe i just read it's loud, iis that true? |
| 14:42.12 | Kobaz | not really |
| 14:42.19 | Kobaz | it's got some fans in it, i mean, it's not silent |
| 14:42.26 | nr4q | kobaz: currently i only need 4 PoE ports but what sense is buying gear if you dont plan for scalability |
| 14:42.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Kobaz: Some have on all, some on half. Your job to pay attention to the specs. |
| 14:43.03 | WimpMan | zako: te_choose_channel=yes might be it. |
| 14:43.24 | Kobaz | [TK]D-Fender: from my point of view there's really no point in half poe |
| 14:43.32 | nr4q | kobaz: <$ |
| 14:43.55 | Kobaz | nr4q: but then you get a smaller switch |
| 14:43.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Kobaz: for you maybe not. For others its "I want a switch for my small LAN and don't need that many PoE, just a bunch |
| 14:44.02 | Kobaz | perhaps |
| 14:44.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Kobaz: And save some $ |
| 14:44.37 | nr4q | i have ~12 ports I need without PoE and I have currently 4 I want PoE on. 12 and 12 would make pretty good sense in my case |
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| 14:44.54 | Kobaz | nr4q: linksys makes a full poe 8 port managed switch, but it's like the same price as the netgear 24 port full poe managed switch |
| 14:45.28 | Kobaz | [TK]D-Fender: most of the switches are around the same price, which is why it doesn't make sense |
| 14:45.52 | Kobaz | [TK]D-Fender: why buy a 12/12 for $250-350 when you can get a full 24 poe for $250-350 |
| 14:46.07 | zako | WimpMan, I don't remember now but i think it's not fixed |
| 14:46.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Kobaz: So maybe the price factors don't add up as much. Never said it was a great move, just an understandable approach. |
| 14:46.31 | nr4q | kobaz: i feel better having a piece of gear with the linksys name on it over dlink or netgear |
| 14:46.31 | WimpMan | zako: Pardon? |
| 14:46.36 | Kobaz | [TK]D-Fender: yeah |
| 14:46.45 | Kobaz | nr4q: i love netgear stuff |
| 14:46.57 | Kobaz | nr4q: some of the linksys firmware is not very good |
| 14:47.00 | zako | i think that its value is 0 |
| 14:47.05 | nr4q | kobaz i'll admit it's not what it used to be |
| 14:47.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Kobaz: Only Netgear product I'd buy (and have) is the 4/8 PoE switch |
| 14:47.17 | zako | but i cann't connect in this moment to the server to see it |
| 14:47.18 | Kobaz | nr4q: the 24 port linksys switches has to be rebooted since the firmware locks up |
| 14:47.46 | Kobaz | [TK]D-Fender: heh |
| 14:47.54 | rgsteele||work | Ugh. Is there any good documentation on the usage of IF for extensions.conf? I just want to try something for kicks, but can't find any docs on it. |
| 14:48.10 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: "core show function IF" |
| 14:48.37 | zako | WimpMan, te_choose_channel=no |
| 14:48.44 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: From within the asterisk CLI? |
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| 14:49.30 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: Yes |
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| 14:50.09 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Doesn't seem to work... No such command 'core' (type 'help' for help) |
| 14:50.24 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: Drop "core" |
| 14:50.37 | rgsteele||work | Ah. |
| 14:50.37 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: And congratulations on keeping up with yesterday... |
| 14:50.55 | Zeeek | death. Taxes. [TK]D-Fender. The only constants in this life! |
| 14:51.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Zeeek: Ever watch "Forever Knight"? |
| 14:51.19 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: I'm actually working up two different versions to show $boss why the other way is better. |
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| 14:51.32 | Zeeek | [TK]D-Fender is that the one about the vampire? |
| 14:51.41 | Baylink | Ping: PRI/TBCT |
| 14:52.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Zeeek: Yes. A vamp barmaid looked at a guy talking to someone saying that, turned to someone else and said "He's an accountant, what does he know?" |
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| 14:52.50 | [TK]D-Fender | <3 Jeanette |
| 14:53.06 | zako | I initially though that telco was going out BRI lines but if I watch "misdn show stacks" i see L2Link and L1Link always UP even when i have problems |
| 14:53.15 | Zeeek | There's a great story about a guy lost on a baloon and he calls down to a guy for help. The guy answers and the lost guy says "you're an accountant, right?"... |
| 14:53.28 | zako | (telco was going down, sorry...) |
| 14:53.48 | jeev | love is for weenies. |
| 14:54.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Confucious say man to sure of bedding woman is cocky. |
| 14:54.45 | jeev | killed Confucious |
| 14:55.22 | *** join/#asterisk ManxPower (n=manxpowe@242.sub-70-223-196.myvzw.com) |
| 14:55.38 | Baylink | In more detail (:-) I'm trying to get TBCT/RLT working on my 1.2.27 install out a PRI to NuVox. I'm told that if all I do is Dial back out the same PRI, and Asterisk doesn't think it needs to stay in the media path, it will attempt a Native Bridge, and the code will attempt a TBCT/RLT request. I see the Native Bridge attempt in the log, but I don't see Hangups until after I drop the call. So I assume that it's not working, but I'm not sure ho |
| 14:55.42 | jeev | fender, infact.. everyone who loves but me is a weenie! |
| 14:55.50 | Baylink | I did a PRI debug, but I'm not real good at reading those. |
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| 14:56.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Baylink: i DON'T BELIEVE 1.2 HAD 2bct SUPPORT |
| 14:57.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Baylink: AND 1.4 ADDED IT FOR 5ess AT ELAST, AND LAST i HEARD 1.6 SHOULD BE ADDING IT FOR dms100, ETC |
| 14:57.49 | Baylink | That would be bad. |
| 14:57.59 | Zeeek | breaking news: VoIP is down |
| 14:58.18 | lmadsen | GASP! |
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| 14:58.37 | jeev | lmadsen, i see my fart woke you up |
| 14:58.38 | Zeeek | but that's leif |
| 14:58.47 | Zeeek | errrrrr |
| 14:58.47 | Baylink | Any idea how best I can confirm that, D-Fender? |
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| 14:59.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Baylink: Cruise through Mantis |
| 14:59.26 | Baylink | Or, alternatively, can anyone comment on how hard it would be to backport it? My machine is in the middle of a 12-box VICIdial cluster. |
| 14:59.39 | lmadsen | :D |
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| 14:59.45 | ManxPower | Baylink: who told you all you have to do is dial yourself? |
| 14:59.46 | lmadsen | Zeeek: is there a call today? |
| 14:59.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Baylink: 1.4 is about to be considered the "old version". GOOD LUCK |
| 14:59.52 | Zeeek | yes there is sir |
| 14:59.58 | lmadsen | what is the chat room again? |
| 15:00.05 | Zeeek | "chatroom" |
| 15:00.15 | Zeeek | voip-users-conference |
| 15:00.23 | Baylink | Someone official; checking. |
| 15:00.24 | lmadsen | ah! missing the users |
| 15:00.33 | Zeeek | web site: http://voipusersconference.org |
| 15:00.52 | Zeeek | bank account: 11454354234441223 111 |
| 15:01.06 | jeev | zeek, your bank account # is my root password |
| 15:01.06 | jeev | wtf |
| 15:01.22 | Baylink | Donny Kavanaugh, actually, whom I guess isn't *that* official. :-) He also said, though, that I had to have facilityenable=yes, and I forgot. |
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| 15:02.09 | Baylink | Well, as soon as 1.4, much less 1.6, is stable enough to run 260 seats of VD 40 hours a week, I'll upgrade. :-) |
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| 15:03.02 | lmadsen | VD? |
| 15:03.07 | lmadsen | doesn't want to go there |
| 15:03.34 | Baylink | Vicidial. |
| 15:03.50 | Baylink | I *had* already expanded it on first use. :-) |
| 15:03.57 | lmadsen | didn't read the scroll back :) |
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| 15:04.20 | jaytee | good day everyone |
| 15:05.12 | jaytee | could anyone from Digium in here or in the Huntsville area recommend a decent inexpensive hotel that's fairly close to Digium? |
| 15:06.54 | Zeeek | the nearest one is in Atlanta :) |
| 15:09.24 | jaytee | picks up his can of Jones Soda "Whoop-Ass" and points to Zeeek and says, "Don't make me open this!" |
| 15:09.34 | russellb | decent inexpensive? |
| 15:09.59 | Zeeek | shrinks in fear, looks down and sees more shrinkage |
| 15:10.03 | jaytee | moderate price. 70 to 80 bucks a night |
| 15:10.07 | russellb | there are some listed on digium.com i think |
| 15:10.19 | russellb | there are a couple of holiday inns reasonably close |
| 15:10.22 | russellb | can't remember the others .. |
| 15:10.23 | Zeeek | decent = running water? |
| 15:10.31 | jameswf-home | have you people seen the esquire cover? |
| 15:10.41 | jaytee | decent = no roaches and clean sheets |
| 15:10.45 | Zeeek | oh god, is Mark on it again? |
| 15:10.58 | jameswf-home | again? |
| 15:11.25 | jameswf-home | http://dontcallmyboss.blogspot.com/2008/09/future-in-fashion-mag.html << e-ink fashion freaks beat geeks :( |
| 15:11.59 | jameswf-home | I just wanna find out if we can hack it |
| 15:12.42 | jaytee | i read about that, the cover and an advert from Ford that use e-ink |
| 15:13.49 | Baylink | TBCT: Nope; facilityenable wasn't it either. Unless this switch is really in DMS mode instead of NI2. Gotta wait for the carrier on that one. |
| 15:13.53 | jaytee | and they're working on a RFID style wireless technology add-on that in a few years they may be able to update a current month's edition with corrections or additional information |
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| 15:17.09 | BrokenNoze | Hi all, can anyone recommend some basic resources for QoS, what it is and how to apply in an Asterisk environment? |
| 15:17.09 | jameswf-home | big brother is in your mag watchin yur fashion |
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| 15:18.22 | ManxPower | BrokenNoze: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6558/products_ios_technology_home.html |
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| 15:22.31 | BrokenNoze | thanks, looks like i need a full on book and training course then :( |
| 15:24.28 | Zeeek | even if you are not on the Esquire cover, voip geeks are welcome at http://voipusersconference.org for the party today online in 30 minutes. Pre-Astricon pre-DruidCon get-together |
| 15:25.01 | Qwell | what, no pre-itexpo? |
| 15:25.58 | Zeeek | of course there is |
| 15:26.26 | Zeeek | pre-pre linux world too |
| 15:26.33 | ManxPower | BrokenNoze: correct. Unless you control BOTH ends of the link, QoS only has limited abilities |
| 15:27.53 | BrokenNoze | ManxPower: we'll we're looking at shaping a clients LAN traffic, and with only basic networking skills I'm a little unsure where to even start |
| 15:27.55 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: BTW, your suggestion worked great. |
| 15:28.18 | ManxPower | BrokenNoze: what routers/switches does the customer use? |
| 15:28.21 | rgsteele||work | I've got that checked in to subversion so boss could compare to the method of passing in meaningless args vs. the info actually needed. |
| 15:28.31 | ManxPower | BrokenNoze: QoS is one of the hardest things in networking. |
| 15:28.38 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Thanks again for your help. |
| 15:34.08 | [TK]D-Fender | rgsteele||work: care to pastebin your current solution? |
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| 15:38.47 | BrokenNoze | ManxPower : looking for a general explaination on how to deploy, use. best practise etc. from what you're saying i'd do better to taking a course rather than reading a book |
| 15:39.33 | ManxPower | BrokenNoze: All QoS stuff is set up in vendor specific ways. |
| 15:39.53 | ManxPower | So you really can't proceed until you have routers and switches that support the same form of QoS |
| 15:40.11 | ManxPower | Which is why I asked you what brand of routers/switches the customer has. |
| 15:41.27 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Not at all, hang on. |
| 15:41.47 | BrokenNoze | ManxPower : got ya.. and the answer is.. i've no idea. |
| 15:42.41 | BrokenNoze | sounds like its far to general an area to just find a book like good old OReilly and sit down and read |
| 15:43.19 | ManxPower | BrokenNoze: My customers don't do QoS on the LAN (their lan is like 5% utilization), but we do it on all the WAN links that support QoS. All Cisco routers and switches. |
| 15:43.54 | Zeeek | http://voipusersconference.org channel open |
| 15:43.57 | rgsteele||work | [TK]D-Fender: Give me a sec to sanitize |
| 15:44.00 | Zeeek | see you there! |
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| 15:45.20 | dominic1 | isn't it possible to park a local channel? |
| 15:45.37 | BrokenNoze | ManxPower: over MPLS i assume. Maybe a course in Cisco would be the best bet |
| 15:46.08 | BrokenNoze | as it is pretty standard, just VERY expensive hardware, but i suppose you get what you pay for |
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| 15:50.31 | eric_hill | SIP phone to SIP phone calls through asterisk: phone to phone, or phone to asterisk to phone for the voice data? |
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| 15:57.41 | ManxPower | BrokenNoze: no, not over MPLS. |
| 15:57.58 | ManxPower | You can do it over MPLS, but we do it using point-to-point data T-1s |
| 15:59.34 | ManxPower | With MPLS your CARRIER does the QoS, all you do is tag the packets in your router |
| 16:00.03 | eric_hill | ManxPower: With MPLS, your carrier respects your tagged QoS packets, but you still do queueing at your router. |
| 16:00.29 | ManxPower | eric_hill: after I typed that I realized I was wrong. I was hoping nobody would notice. |
| 16:00.35 | eric_hill | ManxPower: With point-to-point T1's you tag and queue traffic the same way, there's just no queueing going on in the middle :) |
| 16:00.37 | ManxPower | eric_hill: at least outbound queuing is on your router. |
| 16:01.08 | eric_hill | ManxPower: Yep. I had someone argue with me one time that inbound queuing was very important. Sigh... |
| 16:01.42 | ManxPower | eric_hill: at least for TCP, inbound Queueing can influence the amount of outbound data. Not actual QoS, but it can look like it |
| 16:01.59 | ManxPower | I call that "Fake QoS" |
| 16:02.14 | ManxPower | works pretty well until you fire up something like Bittorrent |
| 16:02.19 | eric_hill | ManxPower: Any more that only works for "well behaved" TCP applications. Those are becoming harder to find... :) |
| 16:02.32 | ManxPower | eric_hill: *nod* |
| 16:04.14 | dominic1 | hello guys, ask again.... Can anybody tell me if it's possible to park a local channel? |
| 16:04.44 | ManxPower | dominic1: it should be. |
| 16:05.12 | jaytee | I'm trying to get a PA system working with an SPA3102 on the FXO port. It's registering as a sip client to asterisk but when I call it gives me a 503 error at the CLI. I've successfully tested it with an FXO port on a Digium TDM04B. |
| 16:05.19 | ManxPower | I have a site where all local calls to the main number goes thru a Local/ channel before going to the receptionist and the receptionist parks calls. |
| 16:05.47 | ManxPower | jaytee: don't make us look up what 503 means (text) |
| 16:05.59 | jaytee | ManxPower, service unavailable |
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| 16:06.03 | ManxPower | ah. |
| 16:06.18 | ManxPower | you don't have a codec issue, do you? |
| 16:07.19 | eric_hill | ManxPower: no, he has a service unavailable issue... ;) |
| 16:07.51 | eric_hill | types format c: /q /u |
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| 16:07.59 | jaytee | ManxPower, I shouldn't have but I think the problem is the Linksys is expecting dialtone on the line whereas the Digium port doesn't have to have it. The PA unit that connects to it is designed to auto answer on loop start |
| 16:08.02 | ikevin | hello |
| 16:08.32 | ManxPower | jaytee: Um, why does the digium port not have dialtone on it? |
| 16:08.52 | eric_hill | It's an FXO port. |
| 16:09.16 | ManxPower | eric_hill: *nod* and it sounds like he's plugging the asterisk FXO into the SPA FXO. |
| 16:09.26 | jaytee | ManxPower, because I was testing it with a PA unit that's designed to use an FXO port. |
| 16:09.28 | ikevin | i've a problem with asterisk (running behind a nat), if i make a call with a sip user located in the local network, there are no problem, so, if i make a call with a sip user behind the nat, there are no sound received |
| 16:09.33 | ikevin | anyone have an idea? |
| 16:09.41 | ManxPower | jaytee: diagram it. |
| 16:09.53 | ManxPower | ikevin: see the sipnat info |
| 16:09.54 | ManxPower | ~sipnat |
| 16:09.55 | jbot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 , otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
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| 16:09.58 | eric_hill | jaytee: one side or the other needs to supply ring voltage. Even if it's loop start, you still need voltage on the line. |
| 16:10.02 | ManxPower | use the first link |
| 16:10.08 | jaytee | Asterisk SIP -> Linksys 3102 FXO to Valcom PA unit. |
| 16:10.18 | ikevin | ok |
| 16:10.21 | ManxPower | jaytee: so you don't even have it plugged into a digium port. |
| 16:10.38 | ManxPower | jaytee: MOST PA units expect to be connected to an FXS port. |
| 16:10.47 | ManxPower | so they can get a ring voltage |
| 16:10.53 | jaytee | ManxPower, I tested that way first and it works fine, but on the Linksys it throws the 503 error |
| 16:10.54 | eric_hill | jaytee: I have two Valcom PA units in service, but they both run off FXS ports, not FXO ports. |
| 16:11.27 | jaytee | eric_hill, the specs I have want a "dry" line with loop start |
| 16:11.30 | eric_hill | jaytee: Some of the paging amps are just dumb voice amplifiers == no ringing etc. |
| 16:11.58 | eric_hill | jaytee: If that's the case, then an FXO port might work if there's no call supervision. |
| 16:12.13 | ManxPower | jaytee: what exact model are you using? |
| 16:12.15 | eric_hill | jaytee: But it sounds like your SPA3102 needs voltage on the line. |
| 16:12.47 | jaytee | The fxo ports on the Digium TDM04B work fine with the basic * config. I need SIP to FXO portability to deploy around the campus. |
| 16:13.01 | jaytee | ManxPower, Linksys or Valcom? |
| 16:13.09 | ManxPower | jaytee: Valcom |
| 16:13.22 | jaytee | V-2000A |
| 16:13.45 | eric_hill | jaytee: http://www.ipphone-warehouse.com/CyberData-VoIP-Paging-Amplifier-010965-p/cyberdata-voip-paging-amp.htm |
| 16:13.59 | eric_hill | End-run the problem. |
| 16:14.21 | eric_hill | jaytee: http://www.twacomm.com/info/Valcom_Paging.htm |
| 16:15.26 | ManxPower | well the docs say DO NOT CONNECT TO STATION PORT OR CENTRAL OFFICE LINE. |
| 16:15.32 | eric_hill | jaytee: more specifically: http://www.twacomm.com/catalog/dept_id_578.htm |
| 16:15.46 | ManxPower | so I guess it doesn't want to be on an FXS port. Odd. |
| 16:16.22 | ikevin | does "externip" in sip.conf can be a dns (i have a dynamic ip) ? |
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| 16:16.35 | eric_hill | ManxPower: I was wrong, we have Viking PA's, not Valcom PA's. My bad. |
| 16:16.36 | lmadsen | ikevin: see externhost |
| 16:16.38 | ManxPower | ikevin: no. externip is an ip address. |
| 16:16.49 | ManxPower | eric_hill: there is 20 mins of my life I'll never get back. |
| 16:16.50 | lmadsen | if you look in the sample, it is the very next option |
| 16:16.51 | ikevin | ok |
| 16:17.10 | jaytee | ManxPower, yes odd but I verified that with Valcom and they stated that it would work with Digium's FXO cards. Digium is on their list of supported products. This is something weird with the Linksys config and I don't want to take up much of your time with it. I'll just play around and if I'm still stuck call their tech support. Their docs are shitty. |
| 16:17.13 | eric_hill | ManxPower: Looks more like 5 to me. |
| 16:18.25 | ManxPower | eric_hill: hush you. |
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| 16:41.57 | ikevin | mmm, i have an other problem now, the users behind the nat work with the echo test, users in my local network work with echo test too, so user from my local network don't receive sound from users behind my nat (and user behind my nat did not receive sound too) |
| 16:42.12 | ikevin | anyone have an idea? |
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| 16:50.34 | padski | ikevin, I don't supppose it helps to tell you that nat is evil ? |
| 16:50.52 | padski | ;-) |
| 16:51.17 | ikevin | lol i think |
| 16:51.39 | ikevin | i the call is initiated by the user behind the nat it work fine |
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| 16:56.22 | Baylink | NAT isn't evil. Protocols that expect a reverse conection is acceptable are evil. :-) |
| 16:56.59 | ManxPower | ikevin: my only idea is that you did not follow the sipnat document correctly. audio issues are CLASSIC NAT or firewall issue. |
| 16:59.29 | padski | Baylink, doomed is the word you are looking for. ask ftp over ssl. |
| 16:59.35 | padski | ;-) |
| 17:00.00 | Baylink | Yeah. |
| 17:00.58 | padski | mind you ... this and intergalactic travel is why we need ip6 |
| 17:03.50 | Baylink | And I'm reading the [[42]] article in another window. It's that LHC, I tell you. |
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| 17:12.37 | dominic1 | I have some issues with my realtimeconfiguration. Sometimes asterisk hangs up and restarts. With gdb I found the following: 0x00002aaaab12d6b7 in SQLTablesW () from /usr/lib/libodbc.so.1 |
| 17:12.45 | dominic1 | did anybody have the same issue? |
| 17:12.50 | dominic1 | had |
| 17:13.43 | dominic1 | I think it's a problem with cdr |
| 17:14.11 | dominic1 | I see a cdr event in the managementinterface.... then the server restarts |
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| 17:23.24 | _zoomy_ | Hello all. Quick question: What is the "inverse" of the CUT() function? ;) I want to add a character at index 2 of a string of length 4. |
| 17:23.52 | WimpMan | Use two cuts. |
| 17:24.11 | Qwell | if it's positional, you don't need cut at all |
| 17:24.32 | _zoomy_ | WimpMan: so concatenate three parts you mean? |
| 17:24.43 | WimpMan | jup |
| 17:24.57 | _zoomy_ | WimpMan: thnx |
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| 17:27.12 | ManxPower | CUT is for when you know the field delimiter |
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| 17:32.20 | dominic1 | hi, found out that it's not a good idea to define a primarykey in the cdr table .... Had some issues of somebody hangs up the call in the same second as somebody else.... Then my asterisk stopped working |
| 17:32.59 | dominic1 | anybody using cdr with mysql in production environment? |
| 17:33.10 | dominic1 | and can give me his scheme? |
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| 17:39.38 | phiglap | Hey guys, I've got a zaptel analog card.. Whenever my local LAN loses internet connectivity, my * stops passing calls to my ATA and other extensions |
| 17:39.56 | phiglap | it just picks up the pots line and holds onto it, making future calls ring busy |
| 17:40.10 | phiglap | and the line it picks up is just silence |
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| 17:40.28 | phiglap | even though the * and the ATA (and other extensions) still have local IPs |
| 17:40.35 | phiglap | anyone seen that happen before? |
| 17:41.37 | ManxPower | phiglap: That is a known and common problem with Asterisk and DNS |
| 17:41.49 | Blackvel | hi. I am having a little problem with this IF function. callingnr:0:4 is result "0911". I verified it. nevertheless it sets clipnoscreennr variable to "12345". String "anon" stands for "anonymous" (clir). Set(clipnoscreennr=${IF(${callingnr:0:4} = "anon"?12345:"")}). is it correct? looks like comparison to "anon" is not working |
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| 17:42.00 | killfill_ | hi |
| 17:42.13 | phiglap | ManxPower: so I need to have DNS that responds for it to work on local stuff like that? |
| 17:42.17 | ManxPower | Blackvel: pastebin the dialplan code AND the cli output. |
| 17:42.32 | killfill_ | im trying to use the agentlogin() function on Grandstream phones (GXP2000 and BT200) and the asterisk does not reviece the # key |
| 17:42.35 | killfill_ | how do i fix this? |
| 17:42.44 | killfill_ | on software phones (xten) it works fine |
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| 17:43.27 | ManxPower | phiglap: you can try adding ALL the IPs of the server into /etc/hosts and edit /etc/nsswitch.conf to not do dns lookups |
| 17:43.40 | ManxPower | killfill_: tell the GS to stop eating the # |
| 17:43.50 | ManxPower | killfill_: this is not an asterisk issue |
| 17:43.59 | killfill_ | hm... |
| 17:44.02 | phiglap | ManxPower: cool. Now that I know what the issue is, I can definitely do some workarounds. Thanks. |
| 17:44.16 | [TK]D-Fender | Blackvel: No need, the line is bad because you don't even have a proper evaluation in your "IF" |
| 17:44.39 | Blackvel | thought so |
| 17:44.44 | [TK]D-Fender | blaGo read the WIKi page on "asterisk expressions" again |
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| 17:45.01 | ManxPower | and go read channelvariables.txt AGAIN AND AGAIN until you GET it. |
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| 17:46.36 | Blackvel | thanks!!! |
| 17:46.46 | ManxPower | Blackvel: do NOT use extra quotes. NEVER have quotes on one side of an = but not the other side. |
| 17:47.03 | killfill_ | ManxPower: any idea how to do that? ive set "Use # as Dial Key: " to No and its asterisk is not recieving the thing either.. :S |
| 17:47.19 | ManxPower | killfill_: no. the phone is not SENDING the # |
| 17:47.47 | killfill_ | maybe i can set the key to "*"? |
| 17:48.03 | ManxPower | killfill_: maybe you can. check your phone docs |
| 17:48.13 | killfill_ | oh i mean on asterisk |
| 17:48.21 | killfill_ | i have like 20 phones like this. |
| 17:48.26 | ManxPower | killfill_: I already told you this is not an Asterisk issue |
| 17:48.32 | Blackvel | I have to admit that I didnt read that doc before and therefore I didn't understand too well the samples for if and gotoif on wiki. but thanks. will do it right now |
| 17:48.48 | killfill_ | i understand that man. |
| 17:49.07 | ManxPower | killfill_: why do you need a # or * on the Asterisk side? |
| 17:50.08 | killfill_ | becouse agentlogin() works with an #.. just thought if i could make it with with an * instead, so i dont need to change the config of 20 phones... |
| 17:50.59 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_>im trying to use the agentlogin() function on Grandstream phones (GXP2000 and BT200) and the asterisk does not reviece the # key <- makes no sense |
| 17:51.30 | killfill_ | (btw, config that i still dont found..:P) |
| 17:51.31 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: most things newbies say here make no sense. |
| 17:51.32 | killfill_ | [TK]D-Fender: no? |
| 17:51.35 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: if we're talking about DTMF entry and it sees the FIRST digits (prove it with Read), then it makes no sense to ignore 2 digits in-line |
| 17:52.01 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: He's saying he's in the call in a dialplan app. Phone dialplan is no longer in-play |
| 17:52.36 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: I suspect he's trying to do one-stage agent login. i.e. pass all the info in the dial EN BLOC |
| 17:52.57 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: And it doesn't make sense for 1-9 to register (which I don't truts the implication of), and not */# |
| 17:53.10 | killfill_ | dont know if im not making myself clear becouse of my tecnical ignorance or english problems... |
| 17:53.23 | *** part/#asterisk phiglap (n=phigan@ip68-109-166-1.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 17:53.24 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: pastebin your dialplan. |
| 17:53.32 | killfill_ | but, yes im not on the dialplan. im "inside the agentlogin()" function and asks the user to press the # key |
| 17:53.37 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: I'll interpret your code and see |
| 17:53.40 | ManxPower | killfill_: pastebin the part of the dialplan that handles agentlogin as well as the CLI output of the vailure. |
| 17:53.44 | ManxPower | and failure too |
| 17:53.57 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: thisw last statement negates it as part of the inital "dial" so far |
| 17:54.16 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: But yes, please pastebin the raw code, AND the failed call at verbose 10 |
| 17:54.23 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: Yup. You can help this poor confused newbie. |
| 17:54.42 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: Shouldn't be that hard. proof is in seeing... should come fast. |
| 17:55.13 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: after all these years you are still an optimist. |
| 17:55.16 | ManxPower | 8-) |
| 17:55.40 | killfill_ | http://pastebin.ca/1201193 |
| 17:55.58 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: I doubt his code's intent is so unclear I can't revers engineer his meaning. either I see it in the Exten itself, or not. It's kinda instant in THIS case. |
| 17:56.46 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: Ok, go do a Read test to accept 3 digits. Show us that that works. |
| 17:56.57 | ManxPower | queues make me queasy. |
| 17:56.57 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: So far 100% DTMF (not URI) issue |
| 17:57.05 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: See? Not so hard |
| 17:57.12 | killfill_ | Read test? |
| 17:58.06 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: Exten => 123,1,Answer Exten => 123,2,Read(ABC,,3) Exten => 123,3,NoOp(Entered "${ABC}") |
| 17:58.23 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: Prove that DTMF is at all functional on your phone you set up |
| 17:58.30 | killfill_ | ah cool. |
| 17:59.00 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: So far what you showed doesn't prove that it's ignoring */#. Right now I'm sure you set it wrong and its ignoring EVERYTHING you enter |
| 17:59.32 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: So after it answers, go typ 456 and see if it works if it doesn't, go fix your "dtmfmode=" line for your SIP peer |
| 18:00.13 | ManxPower | doesn't 1.4 have a debug dtmf option? |
| 18:00.19 | Qwell | yes |
| 18:00.42 | ManxPower | I've never needed it as I never have DTMF issues. |
| 18:00.58 | ManxPower | 300 phones, no DTMF issues. |
| 18:01.39 | ManxPower | Qwell: does the dtmf debug work for dtmf in any mode? |
| 18:01.53 | Qwell | it's in the core |
| 18:02.00 | [TK]D-Fender | "core debug 10" |
| 18:02.01 | ManxPower | I'll take that as a yes |
| 18:02.07 | Qwell | so it just reports the dtmf that the core sees |
| 18:03.27 | killfill_ | [TK]D-Fender: your right. |
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| 18:05.56 | killfill_ | [TK]D-Fender: greate. thanks. |
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| 18:10.56 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: Now go pick the proper mode for your phone. |
| 18:15.27 | killfill_ | [TK]D-Fender: yup. greate. thank. |
| 18:18.04 | errr | Im getting a 404 trying to register xlite to my pbx, here is what I get from sip debug: http://paste2.org/p/73292 any ideas why I get the 404? |
| 18:21.23 | killfill_ | wired.. grandstream phones are by default set the DTMF for "in-audio".. none of asterisk config (auto,inband,rfc2833,info) works with that.. ill have to setup the dtfm in the phone.. |
| 18:21.43 | killfill_ | aah. im using g729 :P |
| 18:21.53 | killfill_ | got it. |
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| 18:38.11 | [TK]D-Fender | errr: Go show us your SIP peer. |
| 18:38.40 | [TK]D-Fender | killfill_: You should be using G.711 & rfc2833 on both sides. |
| 18:42.16 | dominic1 | did anybody use sipp before? I want to call a phone for 1 second, then hangup, then call again.... |
| 18:42.30 | dominic1 | but found no function to hangup |
| 18:42.44 | dominic1 | sipp waits that I pick up the phone |
| 18:42.50 | rgsteele||work | killfill_: FWIW, I was experiencing some QoS issues when using g729 - once I stuck ulaw above that in my sip configs, the problems all but disappeared. |
| 18:43.54 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: i'm getting an outside doggy kennel |
| 18:44.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Katty: ruh-roh! |
| 18:44.10 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: for a puppy... not me |
| 18:44.20 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: A PUPPEH |
| 18:44.20 | rgsteele||work | Heh |
| 18:44.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Katty: Poor Ryan ;) |
| 18:44.28 | Katty | ^_^ |
| 18:44.31 | Katty | yes poor ryan indeed |
| 18:44.37 | Katty | he will have to put up with a lil mister mcpoocherkins |
| 18:44.46 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: i found german shepherds |
| 18:44.52 | [TK]D-Fender | oh noes |
| 18:45.01 | lmadsen | I love german shepherds |
| 18:45.14 | Katty | they were born july 6 |
| 18:45.28 | Katty | ^_^ |
| 18:45.35 | lmadsen | cute |
| 18:45.41 | Katty | yeah, i just hope they're registered. |
| 18:45.46 | lmadsen | I love when they are puppies and have those oversized paws |
| 18:45.48 | Katty | and not some muttly version someone's trying to pawn |
| 18:45.54 | lmadsen | aye |
| 18:45.59 | Katty | i want a GSD. |
| 18:46.02 | Katty | not a dumb dog. |
| 18:46.10 | errr | [TK]D-Fender: yeah it looks like I set the peer up wrong, I got it working now. Thanks |
| 18:46.11 | Katty | or maybe a dobermann |
| 18:46.13 | Katty | or a bull mastiff |
| 18:46.18 | Katty | any of those guard dogs would work. |
| 18:46.21 | errr | hi Katty!! |
| 18:46.25 | Katty | hai errr! |
| 18:46.41 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: the dog kennel i found is 10'x10', for 260 |
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| 18:46.52 | errr | I used to have a bull mastiff |
| 18:46.59 | errr | she was the best dog ever |
| 18:47.04 | Katty | errr: do you think they're bigger than GSDs? |
| 18:47.11 | errr | whats a gsd? |
| 18:47.12 | Katty | errr: how much was she? |
| 18:47.14 | Katty | german shepherd |
| 18:47.50 | errr | Katty: well I had both at the same time, I paid 500 and some pot for the bull mastiff and 125 for the gsd |
| 18:47.57 | Corydon76-dig | Katty: You need a Savannah kitty |
| 18:48.43 | errr | Katty: and the mastiff was considerably bigger than the gsd |
| 18:50.52 | dominic1 | can anybody help me with sipp? |
| 18:51.11 | Corydon76-dig | Katty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCcfymXQkM4 |
| 18:51.16 | errr | now its time to head to: http://www.patobriens.com/sanantonio.html for a couple hurricanes :) |
| 18:51.30 | Katty | Corydon76-dig: those are bloody expensive. |
| 18:51.35 | Katty | Corydon76-dig: my mother has a bengal tabby. |
| 18:51.49 | Corydon76-dig | Yes, but they're great cats |
| 18:52.01 | Katty | Corydon76-dig: chigger is bloody annoying, too |
| 18:52.04 | Katty | Corydon76-dig: he meows way too much |
| 18:52.13 | Katty | Corydon76-dig: tail sticks straight up in the air. climbs on everything. |
| 18:53.07 | Katty | Corydon76-dig: haha, that vid's cute. |
| 18:53.13 | Katty | Corydon76-dig: chiggers and f3, i believe. |
| 18:53.41 | dominic1 | hi, anybody of you worked with sipp before? I want to call a phone for 1 second, hangup, call again. Is there any function in sipp to do that? |
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| 18:56.58 | dominic1 | ? |
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| 19:00.04 | Exstatica | i have a really wierd issue, i did a tcpdump on the asterisk box and noticed i'm getting packet loss on outbound only |
| 19:00.16 | *** join/#asterisk s0lid (n=s0lid@121.120.159.199) |
| 19:01.04 | Exstatica | the rtp streams show packet loss in one direction only |
| 19:01.23 | hardwire | anybody got the word in a free pin based authentication system for calling card stuff? |
| 19:01.29 | hardwire | I need to show somebody they exist. |
| 19:01.39 | hardwire | I've seen a few free ones, but not sure how awesome they are |
| 19:01.58 | Exstatica | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+Prepaid+Applications |
| 19:02.14 | hardwire | yup.. looking for experienced information |
| 19:02.30 | hardwire | sorry, should have stated "anybody running a business off of a free prepaid asterisk system?" |
| 19:02.32 | hardwire | :) |
| 19:03.08 | Exstatica | i wrote one for a company a while back using SER it worked really well |
| 19:03.21 | hardwire | Exstatica: I'm trying to avoid using Alepo RBS |
| 19:03.24 | hardwire | and SER |
| 19:03.26 | hardwire | and radius |
| 19:03.35 | hardwire | and a whole lot of unnecessary. |
| 19:03.35 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:03.41 | Exstatica | the way i did it, was to use SER some perl and a database |
| 19:03.58 | hardwire | yar |
| 19:04.04 | hardwire | how did you handle in-band interruptions? |
| 19:04.17 | *** join/#asterisk elsimio (n=mgomez@190.87.85.9) |
| 19:04.20 | elsimio | hello guys |
| 19:04.30 | Exstatica | you mean when time was expiring? |
| 19:04.49 | elsimio | somebody know how i can solve this little problem when im trying to call PC to a ata186 |
| 19:05.07 | elsimio | Unable to create channel of type 'SIP' (cause 3 - No route to destination) |
| 19:07.27 | Exstatica | elsimio: what codec are you using? |
| 19:07.47 | Exstatica | is the phone registering? and are you using nat |
| 19:07.57 | elsimio | in my sip.conf enabled ulaw, alaw and g723 |
| 19:08.08 | elsimio | yeah is registered, i can call since the phone to pc |
| 19:08.16 | elsimio | but not pc to ata 186 (phone) |
| 19:08.25 | Exstatica | are you using nat? |
| 19:08.30 | elsimio | no |
| 19:08.43 | Exstatica | hmmm, i would think its a codec issue but its hard to say |
| 19:09.02 | Exstatica | is the pc registering with asterisk? |
| 19:09.16 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: pastebin the CLI output with SIP debug for the failed attempt and do "sip show peer [thepeeryourecalling]" |
| 19:09.40 | elsimio | yeah, is registered |
| 19:09.47 | *** join/#asterisk ThatKidKel (n=Kelvin@63.246.120.23) |
| 19:09.47 | elsimio | i will paste my output, hold |
| 19:10.04 | ThatKidKel | does anyone know if there is a sip header i can put on a call to a cisco phone to make it auto answer? |
| 19:10.18 | ManxPower | ThatKidKel: yes. |
| 19:10.21 | ThatKidKel | doc? |
| 19:10.33 | ManxPower | ThatKidKel: voip-info.org do a search |
| 19:10.37 | elsimio | http://pastebin.ca/1201247 |
| 19:10.43 | ManxPower | also search the mailing list archives |
| 19:10.45 | ManxPower | ~mailinglist |
| 19:10.46 | jbot | [~mailinglist] The Asterisk mailing lists can be found at http://lists.digium.com , http://www.asteriskguru.com/archives Search the archives by adding "site:lists.digium.com" to your Google search. |
| 19:11.19 | ManxPower | elsimio: device 111 is not registered. |
| 19:11.33 | ManxPower | you can see this by "sip show peer 111" |
| 19:11.42 | ManxPower | or "sip show peers" to see all the devices |
| 19:11.54 | elsimio | i can call since 111 to my pc, line 111 is a ata186 |
| 19:12.09 | elsimio | look this |
| 19:12.33 | ManxPower | calling FROM a device does NOT require it to be registered. You only need registration for calls Asterisk -> SIP DEVICE |
| 19:12.37 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: And the other part I asked for? |
| 19:12.44 | *** join/#asterisk Wayhigh (i=noid@www.kevinlynn.com) |
| 19:12.46 | Wayhigh | sup all |
| 19:12.47 | elsimio | http://pastebin.ca/1201249 |
| 19:13.04 | ManxPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.09 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: NOT registerd |
| 19:13.16 | elsimio | oh, hold i will registered |
| 19:13.18 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: Addr->IP : (Unspecified) Port 0 |
| 19:14.03 | *** part/#asterisk dominic1 (n=dob@213.221.82.242) |
| 19:14.55 | Wayhigh | is all kinds of stoked |
| 19:15.10 | elsimio | now is registered |
| 19:15.11 | elsimio | look |
| 19:15.12 | elsimio | http://pastebin.ca/1201250 |
| 19:15.47 | elsimio | and my output is different now |
| 19:15.50 | ManxPower | elsimio: cool. now repastebin the failed call |
| 19:16.03 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: That looks like you set the host manually, not that you "registered" |
| 19:16.12 | ManxPower | elsimio: you naively seem to think you have only one problem. |
| 19:16.15 | elsimio | yeah, i did set manual |
| 19:16.18 | elsimio | is different? |
| 19:16.21 | elsimio | http://pastebin.ca/1201251 |
| 19:17.14 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: if you do "host=192.168.1.2" that is NOT REGISTERING |
| 19:17.14 | ManxPower | elsimio: no, the problem is that you LIED to us. You said it is now registered when all you did was put host=something |
| 19:17.14 | elsimio | how i can registered without not host? |
| 19:17.15 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: host=dynamic |
| 19:17.32 | [TK]D-Fender | the entire POINT of registering is so you don't enther the host IP! |
| 19:17.35 | ManxPower | elsimio: you don't register. The SIP device registers to the asterisk server to inform the server what IP and port the phone is waiting for calls on. |
| 19:17.40 | elsimio | ok |
| 19:17.56 | ManxPower | elsimio: Have you read ATFOT? |
| 19:17.59 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: Now fix it, restart your phone and look again |
| 19:18.02 | lmadsen | I haven't |
| 19:18.03 | ManxPower | this is pretty basic stuff you don't understand. |
| 19:18.15 | *** join/#asterisk tobias (n=tobias@user-0c2hj2f.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 19:18.46 | elsimio | not yet atfot |
| 19:18.53 | elsimio | i did put dynamic |
| 19:19.01 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: do you think he's calling himself? |
| 19:19.06 | elsimio | but say 111 (Unspecified) D 0 UNKNOWN |
| 19:19.06 | ManxPower | elsimio: go read it. |
| 19:19.24 | ManxPower | elsimio: that means the phone did not send a registration to Asterisk. |
| 19:19.30 | ManxPower | so you cannot call it. |
| 19:19.40 | ManxPower | i give up. |
| 19:20.11 | elsimio | maybe a problem with my sip.conf or codecs? |
| 19:20.24 | ManxPower | elsimio: no. the problem is the config of your phone. |
| 19:20.52 | ManxPower | what phone are you using anyway? |
| 19:20.59 | elsimio | cisco ata186 |
| 19:21.11 | elsimio | a little old xD |
| 19:21.23 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: I still haven't seen him register, nor is he providing SIP debug, and I see bad codecs in there too.. |
| 19:21.25 | ThatKidKel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.27 | ManxPower | elsimio: then go tell the device to register. You will have to check the docs for the device. |
| 19:22.52 | ManxPower | ThatKidKel: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2003-October/016635.html |
| 19:23.03 | ManxPower | you now owe me $30 for my google proxy service. |
| 19:23.21 | *** join/#asterisk mvanbaak_ (n=michiel@asterisk/contributor-and-bug-marshal/mvanbaak) |
| 19:23.27 | ManxPower | also http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2007-January/176443.html |
| 19:23.28 | tvirus | Here's a tricky question for your brains. We are adding another module to our TDM410. The plan is to use this incoming analog/land line as a fax/failover voice mail service. We have a fax machine that we will use, so here's the situation. We have 3 lines for taking calls. If someone calls our office and all 3 are busy, the 4th line (which is shared by the fax) will pick up and ask them to leave a message. The problem is, how can I de |
| 19:23.38 | tvirus | block-o-text ftl |
| 19:24.44 | Corydon76-dig | tvirus: There's a fax detection setting in zapata.conf |
| 19:25.09 | Corydon76-dig | If found, it tries to jump to the "fax" extension in the incoming context |
| 19:25.34 | Corydon76-dig | Note that you need to answer the line and listen for DTMF (like during a greeting) for this to work |
| 19:26.17 | Katty | scooooby dfo |
| 19:26.18 | Katty | do |
| 19:26.20 | Katty | also. |
| 19:26.31 | Corydon76-dig | scooby dafoe? |
| 19:27.08 | Corydon76-dig | Pet of Willum Dafoe? |
| 19:29.50 | mvanbaak_ | lol |
| 19:30.11 | elsimio | ready |
| 19:30.11 | *** join/#asterisk ccesario (n=ccesario@189-19-9-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 19:30.14 | elsimio | now work for me |
| 19:31.26 | elsimio | was conf device |
| 19:31.29 | elsimio | :D |
| 19:32.27 | *** join/#asterisk bradleyprice86 (n=bradleyp@fw.datafax.net) |
| 19:34.46 | tvirus | Corydon76-dig: Cool! But can the fax extension connect to an analog fax machine? |
| 19:36.26 | [TK]D-Fender | tvirus: your dialplan will jump there if it detects a fax, what you DO is YOUR JOB |
| 19:37.03 | Corydon76-dig | tvirus: as long as it's connecting through Asterisk, yes |
| 19:37.12 | tvirus | So the fax would be connected to the FXS in the TDM410 |
| 19:37.21 | Corydon76-dig | Correct |
| 19:37.25 | tvirus | This is amazing. |
| 19:37.32 | elsimio | hey exist a method for forwarding a call from one extension to other?? |
| 19:37.46 | *** part/#asterisk ManxPower (n=manxpowe@242.sub-70-223-196.myvzw.com) |
| 19:38.00 | tvirus | [TK]D-Fender: If I ever meet you, I'm going to give you a big hug and buy you dinner. :) |
| 19:38.19 | Corydon76-dig | elsimio: Not intrinsically, but you can build one into the dialplan |
| 19:38.29 | elsimio | nice |
| 19:38.32 | elsimio | i will look |
| 19:38.37 | [TK]D-Fender | tvirus: We'll see in November :) |
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| 19:39.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig: Careful on dubious termio9logy... |
| 19:39.30 | Blackvel | guys I got it. even with set + if + regexp + gotoif :) |
| 19:39.36 | Blackvel | thanks so much for your help |
| 19:39.42 | Corydon76-dig | [TK]D-Fender: eh? |
| 19:39.46 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: please clarify your question. Are you referring to transferring a call you are on somewhree else? Or is it that instead of your phone being rung, that the call automatically goes somewhere else.. |
| 19:40.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig: I'm betting a misinterpretation of forward VS transfer |
| 19:40.14 | Corydon76-dig | Ah |
| 19:40.23 | jmardonesk | hi all, I have an CDR in mysql, but when i make .call files the number that I call is not showed in the cdr table (but other details works fine) is possible save in the cdr the called number? |
| 19:40.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig: trust[-1] |
| 19:40.42 | tvirus | [TK]D-Fender: Not sure what happens in November (I thought Astricon is in a few weeks). |
| 19:41.02 | [TK]D-Fender | tvirus: A certain Election will have taken place... |
| 19:42.15 | mvanbaak | ah, the one where bin-laden will be the new usa president |
| 19:42.22 | mvanbaak | hides |
| 19:42.32 | seanbright | wow |
| 19:43.41 | seanbright | that was one of the more tasteless things i've heard on here |
| 19:43.59 | [TK]D-Fender | adds some salt, pepper, paprika, and a sprig of parsley |
| 19:44.04 | [TK]D-Fender | there! |
| 19:44.07 | elsimio | yeah [TK]D-Fender if i call since ext 111 to 112 forward to 113 for example |
| 19:44.34 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: your ATA may offer a forwarding capability of its own. Go read the manual. |
| 19:44.40 | elsimio | forward unconditional |
| 19:45.05 | elsimio | but with this device, and what if im using other device |
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| 19:46.00 | elsimio | like Unconditional Call Forwarding |
| 19:46.51 | [TK]D-Fender | elsimio: Read your device's MANUAL |
| 19:47.17 | lmadsen | seanbright: oh you should have been on the voip-users-conference today then |
| 19:48.08 | mvanbaak | lmadsen: was it that bad ? |
| 19:48.27 | lmadsen | yours wasn't compared to what I heard today |
| 19:48.43 | lmadsen | mvanbaak: there's a certain time sensitivity today though |
| 19:48.56 | lmadsen | aaaaaaanyways :) |
| 19:49.04 | mvanbaak | new svnmerge ! |
| 19:49.53 | mvanbaak | it's WAY faster then the old version |
| 19:49.54 | seanbright | lmadsen: not really a consulation, but thanks :) |
| 19:50.12 | mvanbaak | and it's up-to-date again :) |
| 19:50.30 | mvanbaak | was only lacking 20,000 revisions |
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| 19:56.30 | mvanbaak | seanbright: I'm sorry. Here in .nl we are used to have jokes like that :/ |
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| 19:56.32 | Lanh | Hi, could someone help me test something please, I appear to be having some nat issues, if anyone is available to make a quick sip call to me I'd be very appreciative |
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| 20:05.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Lanh-BNC: pastebin a failed call with SIP debug enabled and maybe we can help |
| 20:05.49 | Blackvel | have a good weekend! |
| 20:05.54 | Blackvel | cu |
| 20:08.27 | tvirus | Ah |
| 20:08.48 | tvirus | I see. Well. The world will end before the election, once the LHC smashes shit together. |
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| 20:14.23 | n9urk | anyone on here in Canada who can help my by calling our 800 DID to see if it is accepting Canadian calls? |
| 20:15.32 | [TK]D-Fender | n9urk: #? |
| 20:15.41 | n9urk | 800 420 6884 |
| 20:15.57 | [TK]D-Fender | yup |
| 20:16.02 | [TK]D-Fender | good |
| 20:16.05 | n9urk | thanks |
| 20:16.06 | n9urk | :) |
| 20:16.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Snak-oil product, but responsive ;) |
| 20:16.29 | [TK]D-Fender | snake* |
| 20:16.49 | n9urk | its the best snake oil product you will buy, or you can take us up on our 60 day bottom of the bottle guarantee |
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| 20:17.04 | LemensTS | Anyone got access to a reverse lookup database? I need to see who owns a certain number |
| 20:17.42 | n9urk | LemensTS did you try searching it on Google? (I presume you have) |
| 20:17.55 | n9urk | 85% of the time numbers will show up there for me |
| 20:18.14 | [TK]D-Fender | LemensTS: canada411.com |
| 20:18.32 | [TK]D-Fender | but wait.. sorry, you're screwed ;) |
| 20:18.40 | n9urk | you may have to try (nnn) nnn-nnn, nnn-nnn-nnnn, or just nnnnnnnnnn |
| 20:18.51 | [TK]D-Fender | LemensTS: Google up "reverse phone lookup" and you'll find plenty of places for free ;) |
| 20:18.56 | n9urk | and if you order within the next 10 minutes we will throw in something else you may or may not need |
| 20:19.22 | [TK]D-Fender | n9urk: Heard ads for a product called "EverCleanse" by any chance? |
| 20:19.26 | seanbright | a lovely set of steak knives |
| 20:19.27 | n9urk | no, I haven't |
| 20:19.30 | n9urk | will have to look |
| 20:19.54 | [TK]D-Fender | n9urk: https://www.evercleanse.com/Default.aspx |
| 20:20.01 | [TK]D-Fender | on the right, listen to their ad. |
| 20:20.12 | n9urk | you want to see a real snake oil pitch: http://www.topsecretfatlosssecret.com/ |
| 20:20.14 | nr4q | seems like a lot of hams use asterisk |
| 20:20.23 | [TK]D-Fender | n9urk: Dunno, listen to this one. |
| 20:20.26 | n9urk | roger roger |
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| 20:21.00 | n9urk | listening |
| 20:21.22 | LemensTS | n9urk: everything takes me to reversephonedetective.com wanting me to pay |
| 20:21.47 | n9urk | www.anywho.com/rl.html |
| 20:21.59 | n9urk | LemensTS -> try that |
| 20:22.21 | n9urk | that is pretty good, [TK]D-Fender, but look at the one i sent, and listen to her as she comes on the screen |
| 20:23.38 | LemensTS | nope, it said there was one that i could do that had info, but wanted me to pay....sounding like were gonna have to pay |
| 20:23.39 | n9urk | she really knows how to push it |
| 20:23.54 | [TK]D-Fender | n9urk: I shut that bitch up fast... yup, both really bad. |
| 20:24.40 | [TK]D-Fender | n9urk: evercleanse was esp bad because of the way they praey on insecurity (esp womens) "have you ever said I feel fat today? Or have that bloated feeling?" |
| 20:25.05 | [TK]D-Fender | prey* |
| 20:25.23 | [TK]D-Fender | n9urk: If I could I would punch that prick right the fuck out. |
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| 20:44.09 | kfife | . |
| 20:44.17 | Qwell | , |
| 20:44.43 | n9urk | \/ |
| 20:44.48 | kfife | :-) |
| 20:44.54 | kfife | Sorry |
| 20:45.01 | n9urk | I couldn't resist |
| 20:45.03 | n9urk | :) |
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| 20:49.31 | n9urk | [TK]D-Fender; but yeah, I agree, its sad how that guy is playing on fear |
| 20:50.00 | n9urk | we play on the pain of having dry skin, but not making someone feel like a slob or fat or something if they don't |
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| 20:52.47 | [TK]D-Fender | n9urk: yup. Another difference is tryically knowing you have dry skin is a lot more a "fact. weight & image issues is another matter, and they push the buttons in this ad. Hard. |
| 20:54.29 | n9urk | [TK]D-Fender: oh yes, I love seeing those ads though, its like driving past a wreck on the highway, you have to look |
| 20:55.20 | ManxPower | mentions, for the benefit of the rest of the world, that political "liberal" and "conservative" mean different things in the USA compared to the rest of the world. |
| 20:55.24 | [TK]D-Fender | n9urk: I hear this one daily... drives my blood pressure up when I'm driving. Not a good thing... |
| 20:56.19 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: Heck, town to town even. "Fiscal conservative" , "bible-thumper", "Military Imerialist", etc.... |
| 20:56.51 | ManxPower | <-- social liberal, fiscal conservative, ISA |
| 20:56.53 | ManxPower | ..er.. USA |
| 20:57.23 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: I'm somewhat in that categoy myself. |
| 20:57.29 | [TK]D-Fender | category* |
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| 20:58.37 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: I'd forgive a 2-term RP "correction" to the state of things however ;) |
| 20:59.03 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: Same with Kucinich, but I think RP would REALLY clean house... |
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| 20:59.54 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: my main issue is that in the USA it's becoming more and more common for people that disagree with the govt to be labeled as "anti-american". Very McCarthy era. |
| 21:01.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: "1984" sprung out of those years... |
| 21:01.14 | jaytee | yep, almost as bad as the McCarthy era or maybe worse but the "blacklisting" is more discreet |
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| 21:05.00 | kfife | What's the best way to send network (voip and non voip) data over in house Cat 3 copper voice wires? I know it's commonplace to send 45 mbs over 2 copper loops (I think) using a T3/DS3. Since we would be using house cables the whole way, (no telco) can we just buy 2 DS3 terminal adapters and interfacte that with our ethernet? |
| 21:05.01 | ManxPower | It seems that every society needs someone to hate/fear. Why can't we hate/fear wombats or something like that instead of communists, non-whites, gays, or non-americans? |
| 21:05.34 | ManxPower | kfife: a DS3 terminator would cost something like $5,000 - $15,000 |
| 21:05.49 | ManxPower | kfife: actual Cat 3 cable can handle 10Mbps ethernet. |
| 21:06.20 | WimpMan | kfife: Cat3 would be good enough for ethernet (the one without "fast"). |
| 21:06.22 | ManxPower | also telcos do not deliver DS3 over twisted pair, they deliver as fiber or coax |
| 21:06.49 | kfife | I was under the impression that DS3 is copper and OC3 is fiber. |
| 21:07.12 | [TK]D-Fender | kfife: HPNA |
| 21:07.15 | ManxPower | kfife: we are talking about customer presentation here, not backbone stuff. |
| 21:07.20 | kfife | That's great news if Cat 3 can handle 10mbs |
| 21:07.32 | WimpMan | Cat3 is uo to 16mbit as e.g. in tokenring. |
| 21:07.33 | kfife | That may be good enough with a managed switch. |
| 21:07.36 | ManxPower | kfife: just make sure to FORCE the switch to 10Mbps |
| 21:07.38 | ManxPower | the clients don' |
| 21:07.46 | kfife | Right |
| 21:07.55 | ManxPower | the clients won't have any idea what wiring you have. |
| 21:09.31 | kfife | Great info. Thanks. HPNA? HomePNA? |
| 21:09.53 | ManxPower | I expect HPNA stuff would be more expensive than ethernet stuff |
| 21:15.14 | kfife | HPNA seems like it's pretty slow. Mostly targeted at triple play providers who can only count on one pair. In our case we could use 4 or even 8 pair if needed. I thinkt he 10mbs ethernet is likely our best bet. Thanks!@ |
| 21:21.55 | kfife | FYI: HomePNA 2.0 handles up to 10 mbs |
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| 21:22.38 | Wayhigh | mercy.. that's fast. |
| 21:22.49 | asteriskmonkey | is there a way to shut off the echo cancellation in the dialplan before a call? |
| 21:23.32 | [TK]D-Fender | asteriskmonkey: vi zapata.conf |
| 21:24.23 | asteriskmonkey | here is my issue , i have 1.4.21 running on freebsd, im seeing the echocan as ON during fax calls |
| 21:24.31 | asteriskmonkey | is this normal? it should read off correct? |
| 21:24.47 | asteriskmonkey | ive setup faxdetect=both in zapata.conf but it dosnt seem tot work |
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| 21:26.57 | [TK]D-Fender | asteriskmonkey: Which EC? |
| 21:27.43 | asteriskmonkey | digium 412p card |
| 21:28.08 | [TK]D-Fender | asteriskmonkey: checked with Digium yet? |
| 21:28.18 | asteriskmonkey | I should see the echo can labeled off when i do a zap show channel x right? |
| 21:28.18 | asteriskmonkey | no |
| 21:28.52 | uTx | Hi how do I make AGI not block while doing a exec dial command, instead of waiting for the call to hangup |
| 21:29.44 | uTx | I want to return control back to the AGI script |
| 21:30.59 | asteriskmonkey | so can no one answer the question? when doing a show channel on a zap channel with a fax going through it echo can should show on or off? |
| 21:31.03 | asteriskmonkey | i think off |
| 21:32.03 | WimpMan | As fax is half duplex, I wouldn't expect it to make much difference. |
| 21:32.32 | [TK]D-Fender | uTx: You don't. |
| 21:32.52 | uTx | not possible |
| 21:34.03 | Defraz | I have a PRI coming into an asterisk server and it works well for voice butwhen I have an incoming fax it kills the asterisk service. |
| 21:34.21 | Defraz | worked okay when I was running asterisk 1.2 |
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| 21:49.51 | hardwire | hmmmmmmm |
| 21:50.03 | hardwire | gentlec (mr_echo) took lots of stuff out of his ppa |
| 21:50.07 | hardwire | I R SAD |
| 21:53.05 | Yourname` | Does anyone have a latest stable mpg123 somewhere online? |
| 21:53.18 | Yourname` | Stupid sf.net has been down for me all day. |
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| 22:06.24 | Yourname` | Ah, nice. I'm trying to get streaming MOH, and it doesn't work. With, or without mpg123. Any tricks I need to know for 1.4.21? |
| 22:07.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Yourname`: 4 letters you have an extreme aversion to :) |
| 22:08.50 | lmadsen | Yourname`: zup zup |
| 22:09.59 | lmadsen | Yourname`: typically you don't need mpg123 with 1.4.x -- just convert the audio to a native format (.ulaw for example) and then set it up with someting like: [testing] |
| 22:09.59 | lmadsen | mode=files |
| 22:09.59 | lmadsen | directory=/var/lib/asterisk/moh/testing |
| 22:09.59 | lmadsen | random=yes |
| 22:10.25 | lmadsen | you can use sox to convert the mp3s / wavs to ulaw |
| 22:14.50 | Yourname` | lmadsen: Thanks, but for streaming.. does random need to be enabled? |
| 22:14.56 | Yourname` | [TK]D-Fender: Hate? |
| 22:14.58 | lmadsen | oh *streaming* |
| 22:15.05 | lmadsen | sorry... I thought you just meant locally playing a file |
| 22:15.15 | lmadsen | or is that what you mean :) |
| 22:15.20 | lmadsen | you can change random to no if you wish |
| 22:15.28 | Yourname` | lol nah, file playing works solid. Was just trying streaming.. |
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| 22:16.09 | lmadsen | Yourname`: gotcha -- ya, never done that before... |
| 22:16.14 | lmadsen | good idea for a cookbook recipe though.... |
| 22:16.30 | Yourname` | lmadsen: Do it up! |
| 22:16.36 | Yourname` | I just had a coredump for some reason |
| 22:16.38 | Yourname` | Due to it. |
| 22:16.58 | Yourname` | Wondering if I should submit it, lol |
| 22:17.10 | Yourname` | But yeah, it just started and stopped music. |
| 22:17.22 | Yourname` | ..on CLI that is, nothing but deadair on the phone. |
| 22:17.40 | lmadsen | Yourname`: you could -- make sure you have DONT_OPTIMIZE enabled before you perform the backtrace |
| 22:18.47 | Yourname` | Yeah.. don't wanna go through that, lol |
| 22:18.53 | Yourname` | I guess I could try later tonight. |
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| 22:20.33 | Yourname` | Yeah, I'll try the streaming MOH later.. it'll be nais. |
| 22:22.45 | lmadsen | Yourname`: my buddy marcelo is gonna come down in a bit, so I might call you to see if you wanna go for a drink or two downstairs for a break |
| 22:29.34 | Qwell | lmadsen: count me in! |
| 22:29.54 | lmadsen | Qwell: head on over! |
| 22:29.58 | Qwell | BRT! |
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| 22:37.06 | Obix | anyone here know about IAX2 trunks in the US? |
| 22:37.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Obix: They're.... American! |
| 22:37.40 | Obix | well, that's a start :) |
| 22:38.17 | Obix | do you know of any reputable providers of IAX2 trunks in the US? |
| 22:38.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Teliax |
| 22:39.52 | Obix | excellent, i'll give them a call. Thanks |
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| 22:52.09 | EmleyMoor | Any asterisk events in/near London soon? |
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| 23:00.18 | hardwire | EmleyMoor: you could always make one |
| 23:00.27 | hardwire | get a bunch of Invader Zim tapes and a projector |
| 23:00.33 | hardwire | invite a few vendors |
| 23:00.36 | hardwire | make some punch |
| 23:00.45 | hardwire | do eet |
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| 23:04.15 | hardwire | tzafrir_laptop: hey.. uh.. how would I snag the zaptel-source debian package and force it to use the most recent SVN? |
| 23:04.21 | hardwire | which apparently includes the udev fixups |
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