| 00:00.27 | obnauticus | Is anyone here good with a2billing? |
| 00:00.27 | obnauticus | because im wondering where i put the registration info for my trunks |
| 00:05.43 | blitterchip | i've configured a TE121 card but it refuses to show up in asterisk |
| 00:05.45 | blitterchip | any ideas? |
| 00:09.08 | *** part/#asterisk TeamINM (n=TeamINM@dsl093-197-074.mke1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 00:10.15 | scooby2 | how many contractors hang out here? |
| 00:11.54 | timeshell | There is a huge fundamental flaw in pbx_config.c with regards to queuing. :( |
| 00:16.03 | timeshell | Unless I'm missing something, it would be impossible to configure an agent with a single extension using users.conf and also have the same extension use voicemail without having the queued calls have the possibility of going to a specific agent's voicemail. |
| 00:17.04 | timeshell | There appears to be no direct way to communicate from a queue to stdexten that the call is from a queue and therefore shouldn't go to voicemail. |
| 00:19.24 | scooby2 | sounds complicated |
| 00:19.36 | scooby2 | i can't get this stinking directory to work |
| 00:21.45 | scooby2 | i'm going to have to hire someone if i dont figure this out soon |
| 00:21.57 | timeshell | What's youre issue? |
| 00:23.02 | scooby2 | let me paste bin. one sec |
| 00:27.09 | scooby2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/898017 |
| 00:27.49 | scooby2 | s1 and s2 run but then any digit dialed says invalid extension |
| 00:28.52 | scooby2 | won't let me enter an extension. After 1 digit it says invalid and then hangs up |
| 00:29.42 | scooby2 | and no i didnt write the mess |
| 00:30.25 | scooby2 | some dCAP certified consultant conned us |
| 00:32.18 | *** join/#asterisk tuxfoo (n=tuxfoo@pool-72-65-149-192.chrlwv.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:33.42 | timeshell | What's the verbage telling you? |
| 00:33.56 | timeshell | Can you pastebin what's on the console? |
| 00:34.00 | scooby2 | yeah |
| 00:34.44 | scooby2 | when i hit 5 it gives me: WARNING[2850] pbx.c: Invalid extension '5', but no rule 'i' in context 'did' |
| 00:35.18 | scooby2 | let me paste did |
| 00:36.37 | timeshell | Just a thought, but I'd suggest moving 5 and 8 to the context that calls the macro-main-ivr |
| 00:37.53 | scooby2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/898024 |
| 00:37.58 | scooby2 | thats did |
| 00:38.37 | hmmhesays | I just cannot figure this out |
| 00:38.48 | timeshell | did you try what I just said? |
| 00:38.54 | timeshell | Just a thought, but I'd suggest moving 5 and 8 to the context that calls the macro-main-ivr |
| 00:39.21 | scooby2 | yeah i saw |
| 00:39.32 | timeshell | I have something similar set up that way that works |
| 00:40.24 | timeshell | http://www.pastebin.ca/898025 |
| 00:41.09 | scooby2 | thanks |
| 00:42.09 | scooby2 | would I also need to include the local extensions there so those are usable? |
| 00:42.19 | scooby2 | i'm assuming so |
| 00:43.06 | timeshell | sounds reasonable |
| 00:43.16 | scooby2 | thank you very much |
| 00:43.19 | timeshell | In fact, remove that same line from the macro |
| 00:43.24 | timeshell | You won't need it there. |
| 00:43.29 | timeshell | Let me know if it works |
| 00:44.25 | timeshell | At least, you won't need it there if my suggestion worked... :p |
| 00:45.11 | hmmhesays | I can't figure out why trying to read from stdin in two different places in the script cause this to hang completely |
| 00:46.05 | hmmhesays | this is perl, do I have to do something crazy with stdin before I read from it a second time? |
| 00:48.43 | timeshell | close it in the first place? |
| 00:49.44 | timeshell | When you're finished with the first one, kill it before trying another one. |
| 00:53.12 | *** join/#asterisk msolomos (n=ms@ppp55-201.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 00:54.45 | msolomos | i have configured a TE121 but it refuses to show up in asterisk |
| 00:54.49 | msolomos | any ideas?? |
| 00:55.09 | shido6 | :) |
| 00:55.16 | shido6 | chan_zap.so loaded |
| 00:55.24 | shido6 | whats ztcfg -vv say? |
| 00:57.35 | msolomos | all configured ... |
| 00:57.42 | shido6 | great |
| 00:58.40 | jameswf-home | msolomos: did you use a script to configure |
| 00:58.56 | msolomos | yes ofcourse we did |
| 00:59.05 | *** part/#asterisk iamhrh (n=iamhrh@office.amsvans.com) |
| 00:59.06 | msolomos | we have been struggling for the last 10 hours |
| 00:59.34 | jameswf-home | so I imagine you used genzaptelconf do you have your includes in place |
| 00:59.43 | msolomos | yes |
| 00:59.48 | msolomos | everything it's in place |
| 00:59.57 | msolomos | configuration |
| 00:59.59 | msolomos | it's correct |
| 01:00.05 | msolomos | i bet same for zapata.conf |
| 01:00.15 | msolomos | but card still refuses to show up in asterisk |
| 01:00.19 | msolomos | i mean the channels |
| 01:00.25 | msolomos | zap show channels brings nothing |
| 01:00.36 | timeshell | There needs to be a ${MACRO_FUNCTION} variable to tell which function called a macro. |
| 01:00.37 | jameswf-home | pastebin the last 100 lines of /var/log/asterisk/full or /var/log/asterisk/messages |
| 01:01.18 | timeshell | Or does such exist already? |
| 01:02.45 | msolomos | http://www.pastebin.ca/898044 |
| 01:03.40 | msolomos | as far i am concerned it's a digium's bug |
| 01:03.45 | msolomos | i bet on it |
| 01:04.05 | msolomos | but what would you have if you had to deliver the machine by tomorrow? |
| 01:05.17 | jameswf-home | I dont see chan_zap mentioned are you running a compiled solution or did you compile |
| 01:06.05 | msolomos | we have compile and compile again and again |
| 01:06.10 | msolomos | 3-4 different versions |
| 01:06.22 | jhiver | can anyone tell me why $self->agi()->get_variable("ANSWEREDTIME") returns an undefined value when the call has been answered? |
| 01:06.29 | jameswf-home | did you compile zaptel before asterisk |
| 01:06.30 | jhiver | (this is an agi related question btw) |
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| 01:07.13 | msolomos | jameswf |
| 01:07.15 | msolomos | yes |
| 01:07.29 | msolomos | i bet you everything has been done correctly |
| 01:07.35 | msolomos | but still refuses |
| 01:08.01 | hmmhesays | this playing back audio to both parties in a call is a b1tch and a half |
| 01:11.33 | jameswf-home | I could probably fix it for a 6 pack :) |
| 01:11.47 | msolomos | james r u talking to me ? |
| 01:12.33 | jameswf-home | msolomos: can you open 22 for an ssh session |
| 01:13.11 | msolomos | it's opened |
| 01:13.19 | Docfxit | What does this mean in the log? |
| 01:13.22 | Docfxit | app_system.c: Unable to execute 'ztscan > /etc/asterisk/ztscan.conf' |
| 01:13.32 | jameswf-home | pm the ip and root pw |
| 01:14.15 | shido6 | ok im back |
| 01:14.23 | shido6 | msolomos .... |
| 01:14.40 | shido6 | ztcfg -vv shows what? pastebin.ca it... |
| 01:14.52 | msolomos | shido i did |
| 01:15.01 | shido6 | sorry I missed it |
| 01:15.01 | msolomos | http://www.pastebin.ca/898044 |
| 01:15.03 | shido6 | can u rep - |
| 01:15.04 | shido6 | thanks |
| 01:15.22 | msolomos | shido as you probably know ...already |
| 01:15.30 | shido6 | ok - what kind of card is this again? |
| 01:15.35 | msolomos | am in a deep shit if i dont have this fixed by tomorrow |
| 01:15.40 | msolomos | te121 |
| 01:15.57 | msolomos | single span te/e1 pcie express |
| 01:16.06 | shido6 | ok whats odd |
| 01:16.11 | shido6 | is that i dont see your b or d channels up |
| 01:16.13 | shido6 | at all |
| 01:16.15 | jameswf-home | its probably something simple as i said.... |
| 01:16.35 | shido6 | how long has the T1 been not in use? |
| 01:16.35 | msolomos | guys |
| 01:16.36 | jameswf-home | shido you need 3 v's to get channel map |
| 01:16.44 | msolomos | is not that simple |
| 01:16.46 | luke-jr | Does anyone know if it's possible to find dedicated servers with pings under 50ms to all the continental US (assuming reasonable connections on the other end)? |
| 01:16.53 | msolomos | i bet you all |
| 01:17.00 | asteriskrules | yeah, those are usually simple things is how it seems to work |
| 01:17.01 | shido6 | be careful with the bet |
| 01:17.03 | msolomos | i have spent 10 hours on that |
| 01:17.06 | shido6 | i make my money on bets against asterisk |
| 01:17.07 | shido6 | :) |
| 01:17.16 | msolomos | shido i bet you |
| 01:17.19 | shido6 | how much? |
| 01:17.22 | msolomos | ....someone has my paypal account |
| 01:17.26 | msolomos | whatever |
| 01:17.26 | shido6 | LOL |
| 01:17.33 | msolomos | you set the price |
| 01:17.34 | jameswf-home | << works for an oem works 10+ hours a day on astersik |
| 01:17.42 | shido6 | fine |
| 01:17.51 | msolomos | shido |
| 01:17.53 | andrewn | hmm |
| 01:17.55 | msolomos | msn me pls |
| 01:18.00 | andrewn | just opened my spa3102 |
| 01:18.01 | msolomos | msolomos@hotmail.com |
| 01:18.05 | andrewn | all it's doing is blinking lol |
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| 01:19.14 | CrashSys | I use notepad? |
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| 01:23.15 | scooby2 | yahoo supposedly rejected the bid today |
| 01:23.50 | jameswf-home | yay |
| 01:23.59 | jameswf-home | or i mean yahooooooo |
| 01:24.18 | scooby2 | google is going to invest in them which does not really make sense to me |
| 01:24.25 | scooby2 | at least thats the latest talk |
| 01:24.30 | CrashSys | maybe google will update yahoo |
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| 01:25.24 | jameswf-home | call it yoogle or gahoo |
| 01:25.30 | scooby2 | i guess investing in your competitor is better than letter m$ take tem |
| 01:25.32 | scooby2 | them |
| 01:25.40 | scooby2 | letting |
| 01:26.10 | jameswf-home | I seem to remember 10 years ago google was yahoos backend |
| 01:26.10 | scooby2 | i can type, really I can |
| 01:26.10 | scooby2 | yep |
| 01:26.10 | CrashSys | I remember when webcrawler was good |
| 01:26.17 | scooby2 | thats when yahoo was good |
| 01:26.18 | jameswf-home | maybe 6 or 8 years ago |
| 01:33.08 | scooby2 | i need to figure out if freebsd or a decent linux distro will run on this laptop |
| 01:33.33 | scooby2 | vista is the suck |
| 01:33.57 | outtolunc | just fire up a live cd and see how it runs |
| 01:36.31 | scooby2 | ubuntu runs i guess. looks like Dell has a reinstall dvd. |
| 01:37.17 | timeshell | http://www.pastebin.ca/898087 |
| 01:37.24 | outtolunc | if it is a newer dell laptop it should have the install on a dos partition |
| 01:37.33 | timeshell | Can anyone tell me by my pastebin why it's not going to 20?? |
| 01:38.18 | scooby2 | outtolunc: brand new dell. The week after I ordered it they started shipping with ubuntu. |
| 01:38.39 | scooby2 | though for some reason it cost like $280 more |
| 01:38.57 | scooby2 | i would think no vista would mean a little cheaper or same price |
| 01:39.25 | outtolunc | point being, if you have the stock install partition, then dumping the windows partition is no biggie for you to restore it if you do not like the ubuntu install |
| 01:40.09 | scooby2 | gotcha |
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| 01:45.41 | rfernandez | hi! |
| 01:46.28 | rfernandez | i have a little trouble with an 1200p (openvox) when i have a huge ammount of calls the card doesnt work and i saw a rare thing on my proc can anybody help me please? |
| 01:50.17 | timeshell | nm my pastebin, had the values reversed. |
| 01:50.18 | timeshell | works now |
| 01:50.20 | timeshell | :) |
| 01:53.06 | timeshell | Err...ok...maybe not exactly |
| 01:55.56 | timeshell | Ok, so I have a problem with a GotoIf |
| 01:56.23 | timeshell | It doesn't seem to be going to the false value. Always going to the true value |
| 01:56.48 | timeshell | help? |
| 02:02.13 | outtolunc | there is plenty wrong with it |
| 02:02.15 | scooby2 | what are you trying to goto if Queue=True |
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| 02:04.46 | outtolunc | he might also want the front $ and ending ) |
| 02:05.50 | scooby2 | true |
| 02:05.54 | outtolunc | example would be exten => s,1,GoToIf($["${SOMEVAR}" = "SOMESTR"]?2:20) |
| 02:06.22 | outtolunc | but that is really easier expressed as such |
| 02:08.25 | outtolunc | sorry, phone |
| 02:09.01 | outtolunc | umm as either = 1 (because he was looking for = 'True') |
| 02:09.25 | outtolunc | or use IF(ISNULL(${VAR}) then the goto |
| 02:10.43 | *** join/#asterisk s0lid (n=s0lid@210.213.199.147) |
| 02:11.47 | outtolunc | or just GoToIf(ISNULL(${VAR})?2:20) |
| 02:12.11 | rfernandez | if i got a pro interrupt with this message sounds that the fxo card its fine? cause i dont want to know that ihave two devices with same irq 84262335 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd, opvxa1200 that means any trouble? |
| 02:12.23 | outtolunc | var being whatever he was really going after .. as mixed case vars probably should not be used |
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| 02:33.53 | obnauticus | Can anyone here help me, I haev 1-way audio between 2 sip peers on my boxen |
| 02:34.00 | obnauticus | wait, not 1-way audio, no audio |
| 02:34.03 | obnauticus | on both sides. |
| 02:34.31 | obnauticus | and I don't know why :| |
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| 02:37.36 | timeshell | outtolunc: I tried GoToIf(ISNULL(${VAR})?2:20) |
| 02:37.46 | timeshell | I still get the same result. Only going to the true value. |
| 02:38.00 | timeshell | I didn't get what you said about ending ) |
| 02:38.10 | timeshell | I see proper brackets |
| 02:40.31 | *** join/#asterisk GlobeTrotter (n=eric@196.40.26.98) |
| 02:40.55 | timeshell | Ok, I figured out how to get it to work. Thanks anyway... |
| 02:41.02 | timeshell | Part of the problem was case setting for the var ;) |
| 02:41.13 | timeshell | I set it all upper case, but only cap Q on the read. |
| 02:43.08 | GlobeTrotter | hey guyss,, having problems with attended transfer with polycom 550.. when you hit the transfer button the second tiome the call dropss |
| 02:43.29 | GlobeTrotter | anyone had that problem before? |
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| 03:04.02 | jameswf-home | tb as they "embed really should use the freepbx authentication backend |
| 03:05.01 | BBHoss | obnauticus, no NAT? |
| 03:05.15 | jameswf-home | scratch that |
| 03:05.19 | jameswf-home | damn tabs |
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| 03:08.46 | riddlebox | hrmm I wonder if there is some sort of wiki for grandstream phones |
| 03:09.00 | riddlebox | for showing features in asterisk |
| 03:12.53 | *** part/#asterisk techie (n=techie@adsl-76-214-31-194.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:17.54 | drmessano | lol |
| 03:33.59 | riddlebox | drmessano, I have the paging and two way intercoming working on them and would like to help anyone else out |
| 03:35.21 | riddlebox | I do have a question, exten => _1NXXNXXXXXX,1,Dial(Zap/1/${EXTEN}#) <---is the # sign valid? |
| 03:38.21 | jameswf-home | ~book |
| 03:38.22 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 03:39.16 | Corydon76-dig | and please buy a copy... if the authors can make a living writing books, they'll write more of them... |
| 03:39.23 | *** join/#asterisk adjohn (n=adjohn@p5182-ipad71marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) |
| 03:40.45 | coppice | yeah, that's the drawback :-) |
| 03:42.13 | jameswf-home | jbot: buybook is <reply> You can but "Asterisk the Future of Telephony" at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ so go buy it SERIOUSLY |
| 03:42.14 | jbot | okay, jameswf-home |
| 03:43.27 | jameswf-home | jbot: no buybook is <reply> You can buy "Asterisk the Future of Telephony" at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ so go buy it SERIOUSLY |
| 03:43.28 | jbot | okay, jameswf-home |
| 03:45.21 | riddlebox | jameswf-home, I already bought the first edition |
| 03:45.36 | riddlebox | the 2nd edition is way bigger |
| 03:45.40 | jameswf-home | you should upgrade... |
| 03:46.44 | coppice | riidlebox: didn't anyone ever tell you not to buy version 1 of anything :-) |
| 03:46.49 | luke-jr | Does anyone know if it's possible to find dedicated servers with pings under 50ms to all the continental US (assuming reasonable connections on the other end)? |
| 03:47.13 | riddlebox | does that dial line I had up there look right, if I have the # after I enter the digits then it will dial faster |
| 03:54.48 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox, No... it will merely dial a # at the end. |
| 03:55.15 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox, Whether that means anything or not is up to the controller of your zaptel channel |
| 03:56.37 | riddlebox | [TK]D-Fender, dang because if I press the # sign the phones will not wait 4 seconds to actually dial |
| 03:57.36 | riddlebox | I did read that they have something called early dial, it works on the asterisk 484 response, so I guess I will read up on that |
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| 04:08.51 | riddlebox | I guess there is always something to read about :p |
| 04:11.20 | jameswf-home | Boing...... |
| 04:11.48 | jameswf-home | anyone been through the atlanta airport, any idea how to kill 2 hours there.... |
| 04:12.03 | drmessano | Walk from one end to the other |
| 04:13.08 | jameswf-home | I didnt get this fat walking.... ahhh trains |
| 04:13.15 | drmessano | lol |
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| 04:13.47 | drmessano | In Nov 2001 I ran one end of it to the other.. had a flight arrive late |
| 04:13.49 | jameswf-home | I founs a sabarros in concourse c that makes me happy |
| 04:13.54 | drmessano | Im surprised I am still alive |
| 04:14.26 | jameswf-home | wow if you run in an airport now you get shot... well if you run through screaming jiiiiihadddd |
| 04:14.27 | drmessano | "Don't taze me, Mr TSAGUYSHOOTINGMAN" |
| 04:14.37 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:14.59 | drmessano | I ran from one end to the other with a wheeled carry-on.. It was a sight |
| 04:15.16 | jameswf-home | I am going to say that to security DONT TA duh duh duh dont tah tah taze me bro |
| 04:15.21 | drmessano | HAH |
| 04:15.47 | drmessano | Augusta had JUST started implementing post-911 security here, and all the guards were 87 yrs old |
| 04:15.55 | drmessano | So every flight out of here was 30 mins late |
| 04:16.18 | drmessano | I had a 30 minute layover, which became ZOMG 0 MINUTES |
| 04:16.26 | jameswf-home | it's like the wal-mart greeter stopping a shoplifter |
| 04:16.39 | goodmove | I am using redhat linux enterprise 5.0 with Asterisk. I have mysql package installed and this is working. I then downloaded the asterisk-addons but it will not recognise that mysql is running and therefor does not give the option to install the cdr modules, etc |
| 04:17.04 | luke-jr | goodmove: why are you using RedHat anything? |
| 04:17.06 | goodmove | can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong? I am using asterisk 1.4.18 |
| 04:17.16 | jameswf-home | just because mysql is installed doesnt mean its running |
| 04:17.18 | scooby2 | goodmove: force it to install |
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| 04:17.57 | jameswf-home | ~mysql |
| 04:17.58 | jbot | SQL (Structured Query Language) database server. URL: http://www.mysql.com/ |
| 04:18.00 | goodmove | jameswf-home, I checked that it is and I can connect to it |
| 04:18.37 | goodmove | I was even able to creat the asteriskcdrdb database |
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| 04:21.08 | goodmove | jameswf, there does not seem to be any problem with sql. I just do not understand why when I use menuselect when compiling asterisk-addons, that the modules are XXX. |
| 04:21.59 | goodmove | ... I mean the modules for mysql |
| 04:24.54 | jameswf-home | good move configure --with-mysqlclient=y |
| 04:27.15 | goodmove | jameswf, you mean to add this switch to the ./configure command? |
| 04:27.27 | jameswf-home | ummmmmm yeah |
| 04:27.40 | goodmove | I will try it now |
| 04:28.19 | Corydon76-dig | Typically that means that you're missing the -dev headers |
| 04:28.40 | Corydon76-dig | libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 04:31.54 | goodmove | jameswf, i get an error message telling me that my MySQL client installation on this system is broken |
| 04:32.32 | GlobeTrotter | hey guyss,, having problems with attended transfer with polycom 550.. when you hit the transfer button the second time the call drops.. but blind transfer works |
| 04:32.33 | goodmove | ...but mysqld is running and I am currently connected to the mysql server |
| 04:33.19 | goodmove | jameswf, any ideas |
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| 04:49.36 | heison | anyone from asterlink who can help restore an account? |
| 04:55.06 | Qwell | heison: #asterlink |
| 04:55.10 | Qwell | if it's still around |
| 04:55.27 | Qwell | or you could...you know...call |
| 04:55.54 | heison | qwell: brian w is on freeswitch, but he doesn't seem to be around :P( |
| 04:56.16 | heison | i might have to wait til monday and call |
| 04:59.04 | drmessano | IRC client spam.. nice |
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| 04:59.28 | drmessano | "our non-colored lines of text are way better than the other guys" |
| 05:02.17 | drmessano | Hmmm |
| 05:02.34 | drmessano | Last weeks "Network World" had an article on Asterisk |
| 05:10.01 | drmessano | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/012408-special-focus.html |
| 05:10.35 | Nivex | $COWORKER saw it in the print edition and handed it to me :) |
| 05:10.55 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 05:12.34 | hax | would it be possible with asterisk to forward calls to my cell phone, but if my cell phone doesn't answer, have it go to asterisk voicemail instead of my cell's voicemail? |
| 05:13.37 | drmessano | set the timeout for less than your cell phones timeout |
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| 05:14.21 | hax | drmessano: i thought that, but sometimes the phone is simply off, and it'd go straight to voicemail |
| 05:14.54 | drmessano | Change your greeting to a SIT tone |
| 05:14.55 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:15.11 | hax | ? |
| 05:15.41 | drmessano | nevermind |
| 05:15.45 | hax | oh, heh |
| 05:15.47 | drmessano | just.... nevermind |
| 05:15.56 | hax | well, i'm new :P |
| 05:16.08 | hax | i get it now :/ |
| 05:16.54 | drmessano | I dont know the correct answer on that.. I think once Asterisk hands the call off, it's handed off |
| 05:17.10 | drmessano | I can't wrap my head around doing it differently |
| 05:18.39 | hax | yeah, heh |
| 05:19.28 | hax | drmessano: there's some commercial services i've seen that have the PBX call your cell phone first, then you touchtone whether or not you want to accept the call... but that'd still require the PBX to somehow know if the cellphone didn't pick up, otherwise it'd just hang there and never get a dialtone, plus leave a long voicemail |
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| 05:23.10 | drmessano | Grandcentral? |
| 05:25.21 | drmessano | They have a poll question "Would you ever consider an Open Source PBX?" |
| 05:25.34 | hax | drmessano: actually, gotvmail was the one somebody linked me to, but there's a bunch that do this |
| 05:25.37 | drmessano | 39% - Yes, in the future |
| 05:25.54 | drmessano | 49% - We already do |
| 05:26.06 | drmessano | 12% - No, never |
| 05:26.24 | drmessano | That's an awesome sample |
| 05:26.38 | hax | heh |
| 05:27.23 | coppice | probably a pretty skewed sample, too |
| 05:27.34 | drmessano | Why would you say that? |
| 05:28.11 | coppice | the kind of people reading the article will not be a cross section of PBX users |
| 05:28.23 | drmessano | So? |
| 05:29.03 | coppice | the biggest group reading such an article is usually existing users looking for affirmation of their choice |
| 05:30.32 | drmessano | I dunno about that..if it was a VoIP centric website, yes |
| 05:32.18 | coppice | it doesn't matter what kind of site it is. this is normal human behaviour. word gets around the existing users, they all read, and many vote. its a normal thing you have to allow for when judging the validity of polls. |
| 05:32.44 | drmessano | ok |
| 05:34.06 | drmessano | So that doesn't work both ways? |
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| 05:34.42 | coppice | what is the other way? |
| 05:34.49 | drmessano | A bunch of Cisco admins could have just gone there and voted NO just the same |
| 05:34.57 | drmessano | Whats the difference? |
| 05:35.26 | coppice | because far few non-users will be drawn to read the article. its the fan effect |
| 05:36.00 | drmessano | That doesn't really address my question |
| 05:37.32 | coppice | if they published a britney spears article and had a poll for "who is a better singer, britney spear or placido domingo" you would get a similarly skewed answer for the same reason. |
| 05:37.40 | drmessano | That's like telling me people that dislike MS aren't drawn to vote down in polls questioning Windows use.. |
| 05:38.05 | hax | drmessano: so... any thought on the whole "how can asterisk tell if a cell phone's voicemail picked up" thing? |
| 05:38.11 | coppice | asterisk doesn't polarise people the way windows does |
| 05:38.32 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:38.42 | drmessano | You ever talk to a diehard Cisco admin? lol |
| 05:38.50 | drmessano | Apparently not |
| 05:38.52 | Qwell | ever talked to a Cisco employee? |
| 05:39.03 | drmessano | Nope |
| 05:39.08 | Qwell | it's not pretty |
| 05:39.59 | coppice | most of the PBX world still doesn't really notice asterisk is there. expecting it to polarise people is rather pretentious |
| 05:41.01 | drmessano | Well, I suppose that's the case if you are blisfully ignorant to the fact that many have, and have attempted to counter the usefulness of it |
| 05:41.01 | Wayhigh | Yesterday I stumbled across an asterisk install cd that contains Centos, Asterisk, freeswitch, etc. but isn't trixbox, asterisk@home, or asterisknow. Any idea which it is? (I think it's something quite new but I may be mistaken) |
| 05:42.09 | drmessano | In case you hadn't noticed, there are closed source vendors that dislike open source, regardless of the size or scope of the product |
| 05:43.15 | coppice | in case you hadn't noticed, only 12% in that poll said they would not consider an open source option. I find the remarkably low, considering the attitude of many large IT departments who suck at the MS nipple |
| 05:44.28 | obnauticus | Now this is confusing. |
| 05:44.30 | drmessano | Well, I think you are unaware of how many Microsoft shops suffer from lock-in due to user or application support issues that would love to flip a switch and use open source in a heartbeat.. It's not always about making a simple preference choice |
| 05:44.33 | obnauticus | I got a 43U server rack ... |
| 05:44.37 | obnauticus | and it's in my room |
| 05:44.43 | obnauticus | this is going to suck. |
| 05:44.43 | obnauticus | lol |
| 05:45.10 | drmessano | I think the reality would surprise you |
| 05:47.04 | coppice | drmessano: you obviously haven't seen how IT works in many many large companies. the IT department goes ballistic when they see anything non-MS in the place. its a threat to them. GPL3 has played into their hands. I know several major corporates who have used its vague wording about patents to have all new Linux distros banned |
| 05:48.10 | Wayhigh | coppice: that may be true in a lot of places but thankfully the .gov seems like they're starting to get some clue |
| 05:49.05 | drmessano | Actually, coppice, I work in a large company and I know exactly how it works.. You would be suprised how many times an M$ solution is deployed begrudgingly simply because of the need to deploy a solution that matches existing infrastructre |
| 05:49.31 | coppice | it depends on the company and its culture |
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| 05:54.14 | CrashSys | The best tagling I like for M$ is "It's a stable company and a commercially supported product"... no matter how crappy the solution is... |
| 05:54.30 | CrashSys | err tagline |
| 05:54.45 | drmessano | Notice they never put "stable" and "product" together? |
| 05:54.52 | coppice | yeah, and what is stable typically full of? |
| 05:55.20 | CrashSys | but stable does not relate to product |
| 05:55.32 | drmessano | I know.. that was my point lol |
| 05:55.32 | CrashSys | just that there will be a company to call about the product for the rest of your life |
| 05:55.41 | drmessano | "Its a stable... company" |
| 05:55.53 | coppice | that's what VAX users thoguht, too :-) |
| 05:56.10 | CrashSys | I get a kick when I hear the M$ guys go "Wow, this server's been up a month! That's why exchange and SQL are bombing, it needs a reboot!" |
| 05:56.31 | CrashSys | 3-months is some kind of holy grail of uptime |
| 05:56.35 | drmessano | You know what's hilarious |
| 05:56.41 | CrashSys | that we bitch about it? |
| 05:56.58 | ManxPower | that we accept it |
| 05:57.19 | drmessano | I remember months of uptime from windows 2000 boxes BEFORE Windows Automatic updates the company mandates to install the patches on the day of |
| 05:58.02 | drmessano | I have boxes on their on segment that go 4 or 5 months without a reboot.. |
| 05:58.24 | drmessano | But I think thats allowed M$ to go back to the "It only need to run for 31 days" mentality |
| 05:58.35 | drmessano | Damn if you can get Exchange 2003 to last 45 days lol |
| 05:58.49 | CrashSys | I've had win 2003 servers with 9-10 month uptimes... but it was just active directory, file sharing, and network fax... no exchange/SQL hogs |
| 05:59.25 | CrashSys | and no automatic updates |
| 05:59.48 | drmessano | Now they know everyone is rebooting every month, so they only have to shoot for 31 days uptime for anything |
| 05:59.50 | drmessano | Bastards |
| 06:00.24 | CrashSys | If microsoft wasn't 90% of the desktop/application market, they'd be LONG out of business... |
| 06:00.26 | drmessano | It's alright.. they're still 5 or 10 years behind everyone else |
| 06:00.55 | drmessano | 2 years ago they couldnt even spell VoIP |
| 06:01.42 | drmessano | LCS was a glorified IM server that happened to use SIP.. now it's "VoIP" |
| 06:01.44 | CrashSys | The one thing that M$ has the market cornered on is network/application integration... |
| 06:01.48 | coppice | actually, they've had VoIP stuff for a very long time, they just haven't got any part of it except netmeeting to move for them |
| 06:03.41 | drmessano | M$ does a good job of poorly implementing things |
| 06:04.08 | coppice | they win by strategically poorly implementing things |
| 06:04.42 | CrashSys | Implementation sucks, but they intergrate everything to everything... |
| 06:05.22 | CrashSys | and they do it so it's point-click simple... |
| 06:05.29 | CrashSys | and that's about it... |
| 06:06.36 | coppice | bad implementation has been strategic for their lockin. several times in court they have used "we are just lousy engineers" as a successful defence |
| 06:06.38 | drmessano | I'm still not impressed with LCS or OLCS |
| 06:07.02 | drmessano | "VoIP as you are, because OLCS doesn't work with PSTN hardware" |
| 06:07.26 | CrashSys | I still liked the whole hotmail fiasco... |
| 06:07.45 | Qwell | which one?... |
| 06:07.53 | CrashSys | worked great on linux servers... then they installed Exchange 2003 and it bombed... |
| 06:07.59 | Qwell | ^^ bsd |
| 06:07.59 | drmessano | yep |
| 06:08.04 | CrashSys | err BSD |
| 06:08.11 | drmessano | *nix |
| 06:08.12 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:08.17 | Qwell | and more like 2000 |
| 06:08.23 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 06:08.28 | drmessano | Exchange 2k |
| 06:08.36 | drmessano | It got somewhat better with 2003 |
| 06:08.42 | drmessano | 2000 was a horrible POS |
| 06:09.09 | Qwell | I doubt it was really even exchange that killed it - probably iis |
| 06:09.33 | CrashSys | Didn't they end up with 4x the exchange servers to handle the same load? |
| 06:09.37 | drmessano | If you ever read the history of Exchange server, it really sounds like "Two guys and Devkit" |
| 06:09.39 | Qwell | something like that |
| 06:09.41 | drmessano | If you ever read the history of Exchange server, it really sounds like "Two guys and A Devkit" |
| 06:09.55 | CrashSys | LOL |
| 06:10.01 | drmessano | No, really.. |
| 06:10.20 | CrashSys | I believe it, just never heard it put that way :) |
| 06:10.41 | CrashSys | Exchange itself looks like some half-ass VB-code tacked onto active directory... |
| 06:10.46 | drmessano | "We fixed some bugs, made POP work, so we decided we could release it as a product and not just use it internally... so Exchange 4.5 was born" |
| 06:10.48 | drmessano | Really |
| 06:11.47 | drmessano | I take that back |
| 06:11.58 | drmessano | I dont think Exchange had POP/SMTP until 5.0 |
| 06:12.07 | drmessano | Anyway |
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| 06:12.58 | CrashSys | Well the only thing keeping windows in the server market is it's 90% share of the desktop market and that XP integrates with 2003... |
| 06:13.19 | CrashSys | ofcourse, "web 2.0" (I hate MBA's that think up acronym's) is changing that a little |
| 06:13.26 | drmessano | heh |
| 06:13.52 | CrashSys | Remember when we called them firewalls, not UTM's? |
| 06:14.10 | drmessano | Whats going to be interesting is seeing how 2008 goes with Vista being the flop that it is |
| 06:14.12 | CrashSys | Another one of those lovely MBA term's |
| 06:14.22 | drmessano | Generally platforms hang around together |
| 06:14.53 | drmessano | Exchange 2007 hasn't had widespread adoption due to the Server 03/Exchange 03 combos "working" |
| 06:15.06 | drmessano | 08 will be affected by Vista, I think |
| 06:15.13 | CrashSys | I'll gladly buy a copy of XP because it's fairly stable and it's what my adobe/games run on... |
| 06:15.37 | drmessano | Slowly I think things are unraveling for them.. SLOWLY |
| 06:15.47 | drmessano | By no means is 2009 the year of the big switch |
| 06:16.03 | drmessano | But web apps are thinning the herd a little |
| 06:16.18 | CrashSys | Other then that it's openoffice/firefox/etc... |
| 06:16.44 | drmessano | Office apps are even becoming less important |
| 06:17.45 | CrashSys | Yeah... a slow migration from desktop to network app's... |
| 06:17.47 | drmessano | E-mail is the word processor now, Excel is being replaced by web apps that display data better, Powerpoint is being replaced by interactive websites.. and Access may as well be dead |
| 06:18.19 | CrashSys | I remember writing a CRM in access 8 years ago... company ran on it up until they went out of business... |
| 06:18.34 | ManxPower | It's not sad that crappy applications might be used less, but it IS sad that so much stuff is moving to remotly hosted services. |
| 06:18.36 | drmessano | Outlook is really the stronghold for the desktop.. People live in it.. |
| 06:18.52 | timeshell | Amen Manx |
| 06:19.12 | drmessano | Well, in a corporate setting, that works MUCH better |
| 06:19.25 | drmessano | Centralized data storage instead of exchanging excel sheets, etc |
| 06:19.45 | timeshell | If you consider it secure that way |
| 06:19.59 | timeshell | Anything that's not on your site can't really be considered secure. |
| 06:20.02 | drmessano | Externally hosted is bad |
| 06:20.08 | drmessano | I agree |
| 06:20.21 | drmessano | Internally hosted apps replacing desktop apps is good |
| 06:20.25 | ManxPower | drmessano: you mean "Centralized data storage only accessed via limited "web 4.0" technologies, subject to network latencies, outages, etc instead of exchanging excel sheets, etc" |
| 06:20.48 | CrashSys | What happened to web 3.0? |
| 06:20.52 | drmessano | It works.. |
| 06:21.00 | CrashSys | did I miss the memo? |
| 06:21.03 | drmessano | heh |
| 06:21.05 | timeshell | lol |
| 06:21.06 | ManxPower | drmessano: So did Windows 3.1 |
| 06:21.13 | timeshell | Web 3.1? |
| 06:21.14 | timeshell | :D |
| 06:21.15 | CrashSys | someone went and upgraded my intarwebz |
| 06:21.17 | ManxPower | But it does not work WELL most of the time. |
| 06:21.27 | drmessano | It works a lot better than the exchanging of Excel sheets |
| 06:21.29 | timeshell | Web 95? |
| 06:21.40 | ManxPower | corporate quality connectivity is expensive. |
| 06:21.41 | CrashSys | LOL |
| 06:21.51 | drmessano | When it's done correctly, it a improvement |
| 06:21.58 | drmessano | its |
| 06:22.06 | drmessano | Grr |
| 06:22.08 | drmessano | ITS AN |
| 06:22.10 | drmessano | There |
| 06:22.12 | drmessano | Damn typing |
| 06:22.25 | CrashSys | Must have a windows-keyboard |
| 06:22.28 | ManxPower | drmessano: I assume you are not meaning BROWSER access to apps, right? You are talking to application access to remote data? |
| 06:22.37 | drmessano | No, browser access |
| 06:22.44 | ManxPower | What kind of sick are you? |
| 06:22.56 | ManxPower | s/sick/sicko/ |
| 06:23.28 | ManxPower | I can't even tab between fields in most forms in a browser. |
| 06:23.29 | drmessano | Peoplesoft is a good example.. It's whole heck of a lot better than anything else we've done before it |
| 06:23.46 | drmessano | and it's all accessed in the browser |
| 06:23.50 | ManxPower | well, you can tab, but it doesn't go where you want to. |
| 06:24.06 | CrashSys | I must say that tracking state in a stateless world does give me headache's... |
| 06:24.21 | drmessano | Application connectivity to remove data stores is way too slow anyway |
| 06:24.22 | ManxPower | CrashSys: That would have been my 2nd point if I had not already had a few beers. |
| 06:24.47 | CrashSys | Plus the usually complete loss of environment (printer controls, keyboard alt-ctrl keys, etc) |
| 06:24.48 | drmessano | remote* |
| 06:25.19 | ManxPower | CrashSys: It's SO limiting, isn't it? |
| 06:25.21 | drmessano | I have SQL based apps that grind to a halt running across a wide open 3 meg connection |
| 06:25.44 | CrashSys | I like the idea, but it's one of those so close but so far deals |
| 06:26.05 | ManxPower | CrashSys: I always thought things were supposed to get easier as tech progressed. |
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| 06:26.47 | ManxPower | drmessano: I'll even concede that a remote hosted app can be a good thing, I just think a browser is not the way. |
| 06:27.00 | drmessano | Well, if they would stop hiring website designers to create web apps and hire application programmers, it would make a difference |
| 06:27.02 | CrashSys | Manx: Only easier to the end-user who doesn't create the damn things... |
| 06:27.43 | ManxPower | CrashSys: I don't think a web browser is easier for the end user for many many things. |
| 06:28.02 | drmessano | "HTML skills" doesn't mean "I can write an awesome front end to your database" |
| 06:28.12 | drmessano | It means "I can make fluffybunny.com rock" |
| 06:28.19 | ManxPower | Windows Explorer .vs. Web Based File Management Apps. Explorer is the hands down winner. Hell, WinSCP would be the hands down winner. |
| 06:28.20 | CrashSys | LOL |
| 06:29.10 | ManxPower | That's right, click "OPEN" to upload. |
| 06:29.38 | CrashSys | Bleh |
| 06:29.41 | CrashSys | freakin' blogs |
| 06:30.03 | CrashSys | Remeber when you could surf the internet without 5-million people telling you how bored they were? |
| 06:30.19 | drmessano | My former assistant built our Sharepoint site.. he was a graphics guy, and sucked at IT.. Our Sharepoint site was the most non-functional POS ever.. I spent a week and actually "made it work" |
| 06:30.33 | ManxPower | CrashSys: I would not mind blogs if 1) news sites didn't try to pass them off as stories and 2) there as an "exclude blogs" option on Google Search. |
| 06:30.33 | drmessano | Well, as well as Sharepoint "works" |
| 06:30.35 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:31.03 | lmadsen | wuz up nerds |
| 06:31.06 | drmessano | I think company blogs are hilarious.. |
| 06:31.30 | drmessano | Some of them are Nazi propaganda at it's best |
| 06:31.32 | drmessano | I mean |
| 06:31.41 | CrashSys | I also find things like myspace celebrities kind of repulsive... |
| 06:31.47 | drmessano | Microsoft blogs.. Goldmines of "We really do focus on YOU" |
| 06:32.29 | drmessano | or |
| 06:32.48 | drmessano | Their fake admission of suckiness, in their attempt to be "open" |
| 06:33.16 | drmessano | "It was no secret to use that everyone disliked Happy Fun Mail 7.. we hated it too" |
| 06:33.20 | drmessano | Yeah right |
| 06:33.24 | drmessano | us* |
| 06:34.16 | ManxPower | I don't think I've ever been to myspace |
| 06:35.30 | drmessano | I tried to MySpace, so I could be all hip with the 20 year olds at work.. It lowered my IQ too much to support breathing and cardiovascular processes |
| 06:36.20 | drmessano | ~idk |
| 06:36.31 | drmessano | bah |
| 06:36.46 | CrashSys | I went to myspace once because some chick gave me that instead of her phone number... it was full of 12 year olds complaining about being bored and 20-something's bitching about working... |
| 06:36.54 | drmessano | HA |
| 06:37.06 | CrashSys | so I closed the firefox tab and filed it away under "Been there, done that" |
| 06:37.11 | drmessano | "Being an adult is like, so teh suck" |
| 06:37.33 | drmessano | "Liek, i complately had to pay my rent, and I was like oh hell no" |
| 06:37.47 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 06:37.50 | CrashSys | or "God, I worked today, and the manager asked me to sweep the floor AND clean the counter... who does he think he is?" |
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| 06:37.58 | drmessano | HA! |
| 06:37.59 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 06:38.22 | drmessano | I had an underling send out a myspace bulletin.. ok |
| 06:38.27 | drmessano | I was on his friends list.. |
| 06:38.57 | drmessano | "Theres this nasty AIM virus going around.. So dont click a link that says blah blah blah. I got it here at work, and it was nasty" |
| 06:39.17 | CrashSys | Ahhh, yes underlings... Have them do your evil bidding while you work your dastardly deeds in the lab! |
| 06:39.17 | drmessano | First I heard of it... from a myspace bulletin |
| 06:39.31 | drmessano | No phone call that we had a virus on a mission critical machine |
| 06:39.56 | CrashSys | I would immediately reply with an e-mail that had "Blah blah blah" in the subject line |
| 06:40.19 | drmessano | Long story short, I ended up remoting in and remotely crashing apps on a few machines until he got so freaked out, he called me and told me about this virus he got on the machines the other day |
| 06:40.46 | drmessano | I told him he was stupid and how close I came to firing him, he promised to never do it again, so sorry, blah |
| 06:40.53 | drmessano | But it was great.. myspace bulletin |
| 06:41.48 | CrashSys | I also want to create a website called "www.downloadspyware.com" with spyware that's easy to remove... that way all the idiots can download spyware and meet their daily quota's without seriously screwing up their system... |
| 06:41.55 | CrashSys | Another windows feature, spyware... |
| 06:42.11 | drmessano | ...and trixbox |
| 06:42.16 | drmessano | Errrr uMMMM |
| 06:42.43 | drmessano | Yeah, how many Linux apps begin with "anti-" |
| 06:43.43 | CrashSys | Quite a few... and most of them deal with windows programs |
| 06:44.32 | timeshell | Ok, I've added a fully functional feature to the asterisk-gui that will allow a queue to not go to voicemail when queued to an agent with voicemail. |
| 06:44.35 | CrashSys | protecting windows from itself :) |
| 06:44.50 | denon | drmessano: you mean like anti-aliasing? |
| 06:45.15 | CrashSys | I was guessing anti-spam, anti-spyware, anti-fishing... |
| 06:45.18 | timeshell | What do I have to do to get it added to the branch? |
| 06:45.41 | denon | yeah .. |
| 06:45.50 | denon | but I was pointing out that it was a silly statement of him to make :) |
| 06:46.00 | drmessano | Norton Anti-User 2008 |
| 06:46.05 | drmessano | No |
| 06:46.21 | drmessano | I didn't say "none".. I left it to be less than completely exclusionary :) |
| 06:47.03 | denon | well, you said how many.. |
| 06:47.15 | denon | so antigravitaattori counds |
| 06:47.30 | drmessano | Well, even a 20 to 1 ratio would still prove my point |
| 06:48.13 | denon | spose, I do tire of all the anti-OS stuff though |
| 06:48.21 | drmessano | Knowing how many "anti-" apps there are for windows, i'd say 20 to 1 was being generous :) |
| 06:48.28 | denon | usually when someone can't make something work on whatever OS, I tend to blame the user before the OS |
| 06:49.04 | denon | 'cause hey, they run stable cars on windows, stable routers on vxworks .. just 'cause whatever user can't do it, doesn't mean it's the OS's fault |
| 06:49.31 | timeshell | I blame Windows |
| 06:49.41 | CrashSys | what he said |
| 06:49.45 | denon | yeah, 'cause it's trendy to hate microsoft |
| 06:49.49 | timeshell | lol |
| 06:49.49 | timeshell | No |
| 06:49.51 | timeshell | MS sucks |
| 06:49.52 | drmessano | No |
| 06:50.09 | denon | timeshell: how would you know? you probably claim to have not touched windows in years |
| 06:50.12 | drmessano | Windows isn't the problem.. It's the applications, Microsoft and otherwise, that run on Windows |
| 06:50.20 | timeshell | denon: nope |
| 06:50.26 | denon | drmessano: plenty of buggy linux apps.. |
| 06:50.28 | timeshell | denon: I support an office full of it |
| 06:50.33 | denon | just look at asterisk 1.6 <G> |
| 06:50.34 | drmessano | Sure there are |
| 06:51.02 | drmessano | But Windows applications are poorly written because flashy GUI's are all that is needed to make a 1.0 |
| 06:51.10 | timeshell | lol |
| 06:51.18 | timeshell | sad, but true |
| 06:51.29 | denon | timeshell: how would you like to support that same office full of linux/open office users, saying "how come this doc file won't open" or "how come this powerpoint from my vendor looks different?" |
| 06:52.13 | drmessano | I take my example earlier of 7 applications that I upgraded that suddenly forced themselves to "Start with Windows" when I had explicitely unchecked those options after installing the applications the first time |
| 06:52.35 | timeshell | denon: I'm working towards that. :p |
| 06:52.39 | drmessano | I never changed my mind.. nor did I bypass an installation default |
| 06:52.40 | denon | shrugs, that's no different than when package managers screw up and stuff things in the wrong places |
| 06:52.46 | denon | we've all seen it |
| 06:53.21 | timeshell | All I can say is every OS has it's place. |
| 06:53.24 | timeshell | However, |
| 06:53.37 | timeshell | I will also say that I will never purchase another MS OS higher than XP |
| 06:53.39 | denon | blame poor coders then, not the OS - it's just as easy to stick in an init.d entry as it is to put a registry key in for startup |
| 06:54.03 | drmessano | I'm not blaming the OS |
| 06:54.27 | timeshell | I am. :D |
| 06:54.27 | drmessano | I clearly stated that earlier |
| 06:54.27 | denon | drmessano: ok, so I guess I'm talking to timeshell then |
| 06:54.27 | denon | hehe |
| 06:54.35 | timeshell | Every time MS makes Windows more secure, something breaks. |
| 06:54.36 | denon | anyway, I could care less what platform people choose |
| 06:54.56 | timeshell | Which could have been a well written program before but no longer works with the newest security patch or service pack. |
| 06:55.06 | drmessano | I do think Windows has it's issues, but the pport coding of Win32 programmers is something that is continually ignored.. |
| 06:55.13 | denon | timeshell: 2.4, 2.6 |
| 06:55.20 | denon | it happens on every OS |
| 06:55.22 | timeshell | recompile |
| 06:55.32 | drmessano | Theres no such thing as a buggy windows app, it HAS to be Windows.. what else could it be.. Windows sucks, right? |
| 06:55.33 | timeshell | :D |
| 06:55.36 | denon | just that msft rolls out updates that don't require the user to rebuild all their apps |
| 06:55.54 | denon | timeshell: kernel updates can be horrific, depending on what's installed |
| 06:56.04 | timeshell | denon: I know, I've been there. |
| 06:56.09 | denon | I doubt you know many users that have had XP SP2 or such make their system unbootable |
| 06:56.19 | denon | but you wouldn't be at all surprosed to see a 2.6 upgrade do that |
| 06:56.50 | timeshell | denon: Heh, it took MS to get to XP to get that right though |
| 06:57.08 | timeshell | How many Win2K and WinNT systems have you seen die with simple updates. I've seen many. |
| 06:57.18 | denon | ... so you're saying MS has gotten there, but linux hasn't? |
| 06:57.28 | drmessano | How long did it take to get Linux to not suck? |
| 06:57.36 | denon | drmessano: still waiting :) |
| 06:57.43 | timeshell | I've seen XP have it's share of problems. Albeit not as many as NT4 and Win2K |
| 06:58.07 | denon | anyway, I blame the user, not the OS |
| 06:58.20 | timeshell | Especially in recovery on different hardware. |
| 06:58.39 | timeshell | Vanilla Linux is usually take the HDD and stick in a new computer and away you go. |
| 06:58.48 | timeshell | Windows XP and 2003 stick have a hard time doing that. |
| 06:58.58 | drmessano | If you think about it, Windows NT 3.1 to Windows XP was only 9 years.. Linux has been around longer |
| 06:59.01 | denon | well, Windows tends to load a specific HAL if the hardware can support it. You can always do a generic if you expect to shuffle it around |
| 06:59.06 | denon | same for chipset support |
| 06:59.15 | denon | just like you'd do a linux kernel with tons of unused crap in it |
| 06:59.36 | timeshell | Linux will usually still boot where Windows get's stuck. |
| 06:59.39 | CrashSys | someone mention redhat? |
| 06:59.51 | drmessano | But coding for Windows is easier, and it's easier to make the same canned shit mistakes over and over too lol |
| 06:59.58 | denon | timeshell: I'm saying windows won't "get stuck" if you pre-load lots of chipset support and a generic kernel |
| 07:00.12 | denon | and there are tons of tools to move windows between dissimilar hardware if you didn't |
| 07:00.48 | *** join/#asterisk AJayMN (n=mypocket@71-82-218-158.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 07:00.53 | timeshell | well, we all have our opinions don't we. :D I've got to get back to my coding. |
| 07:00.54 | timeshell | :D |
| 07:01.07 | drmessano | heh |
| 07:01.36 | AJayMN | Anyone ever used a Netgear WGR613V ? |
| 07:01.45 | denon | at least we can all agree on world domination via AmigaOS |
| 07:01.54 | drmessano | HA |
| 07:01.57 | CrashSys | I was guessing BeOS |
| 07:01.58 | drmessano | BeOS FTW |
| 07:02.01 | drmessano | HA |
| 07:02.01 | *** join/#asterisk WAudette (n=chatzill@75.148.48.213) |
| 07:02.16 | denon | ok, fine - compromise .. VMS |
| 07:02.24 | denon | it's been cluster-ready for like 20 years! |
| 07:02.29 | drmessano | FreeBSD is the only REAL OS, come on people |
| 07:02.41 | denon | drmessano: actually, I like FreeBSD a lot |
| 07:02.44 | CrashSys | VAX |
| 07:02.50 | denon | CrashSys: VAX is a platform |
| 07:02.52 | denon | that runs VMS :) |
| 07:03.01 | CrashSys | VMS it is then |
| 07:03.01 | drmessano | denon: but you bash Linux users over it? lol |
| 07:03.32 | denon | drmessano: nah, I'm not bashing anyone .. I just don't really like people ignorantly whining about microsoft, just 'cause it's cool to do in opensource chans |
| 07:03.41 | drmessano | Ditto |
| 07:04.02 | denon | I mean, reality is, Microsoft is currently more successful in numbers, deployment, finances, etc |
| 07:04.11 | ManxPower | The more you use open source products the more limitations you see. |
| 07:04.12 | denon | however bad they suck, they seem to know something |
| 07:04.25 | drmessano | There's lots of good reasons to bash Windows when you know the specifics than just the usual "MS is the devil" banter |
| 07:04.27 | drmessano | LOL |
| 07:04.28 | ManxPower | denon: they know MARKETING |
| 07:04.50 | CrashSys | When you code OpenSource, you code for Communism! |
| 07:04.53 | denon | ManxPower: in a world where consumers need to understand their options .. then maybe we've gotta learn from that |
| 07:05.36 | denon | ManxPower: besides, if you want to talk about a company that knows more about marketing than products, I assume we'll talk Apple |
| 07:05.44 | ManxPower | Customers will never understand their options -- Microsoft is just the best known example of that. |
| 07:05.46 | drmessano | Microsoft is the Hyndai of programming + the Bentley of Marketing.. They know how to make something with all the features everyone wants, albeit poorly, and sell it for $100,000 |
| 07:05.46 | denon | and the open source community loves apple, mostly because they're not msft |
| 07:06.21 | ManxPower | denon: I never had anything good to say about apple until OSX happened. |
| 07:06.25 | denon | funny thing about apple, the first thing on the product spiffs is the case color (or fruit likeness) |
| 07:06.34 | drmessano | ZOMG.. APPLE IS THE BESTEREST EVER |
| 07:06.43 | tzafrir_home | drmessano, actually, they are now being cut from below by "free software" |
| 07:06.44 | drmessano | heh |
| 07:06.55 | drmessano | How so? |
| 07:07.00 | CrashSys | I'd be happy if apple when away... if I get ran off the road by one more idiot with their iPOD I might have to buy a gun... |
| 07:07.00 | denon | ManxPower: ah, admit it, you've got at least one ipoo |
| 07:07.23 | ManxPower | denon: no, but I consider apple every time I buy a laptop. |
| 07:07.38 | CrashSys | s/when/went |
| 07:08.04 | denon | for it's sleek lines and pasty white appearance? |
| 07:08.13 | tzafrir_home | There's a limit to how much you can rely on MS-Office to be your cash cow, when someone out there gives a product with "all the features consumers want" for much less of a price |
| 07:08.49 | denon | anyyyyway, I wasn't tryin to start one of these discussions |
| 07:08.57 | tzafrir_home | You can take the argument to both sides |
| 07:09.09 | denon | certainly so |
| 07:09.15 | drmessano | Thats where the Bentley of marketing comes in |
| 07:09.32 | denon | drmessano: if msft is the bentley, what's apple? |
| 07:09.47 | denon | apple is all marketing, and they're the first to say it |
| 07:09.47 | CrashSys | The Mini |
| 07:09.47 | drmessano | Tesla Motors |
| 07:09.48 | ManxPower | PT BARNUM? No! That's MS |
| 07:09.54 | denon | heheheheh |
| 07:10.01 | drmessano | Am I wrong? |
| 07:10.07 | drmessano | heh |
| 07:10.26 | drmessano | "it looks like a sunflower, and powered by pixie dust.. it's the Mac Mirage" |
| 07:11.05 | denon | "It looks like it was dropped in a vat of white paint!" |
| 07:11.16 | drmessano | Think abou this.. |
| 07:11.17 | CrashSys | LOL... steve job's is all pro-enviroment but his products are the least enviromentally friendly |
| 07:11.17 | denon | or like it got eaten by a grape |
| 07:11.44 | denon | or a blueberry, as the case may be |
| 07:11.45 | drmessano | How many people are going to buy Microsoft OLCS because they've heard about "VoIP" |
| 07:12.08 | drmessano | It has the V, it has the OIP.. so it has to be "VOIP" |
| 07:12.15 | Fleg- | How Can I send FAX over with oder SIP? |
| 07:12.15 | drmessano | I'll take two |
| 07:12.35 | denon | Fleg-: T.38 |
| 07:12.46 | denon | or preferrably t.37, but that's not really over sip |
| 07:12.48 | Fleg- | How Can I send FAX with Asterisk over SIP? |
| 07:13.03 | CrashSys | I hope microsoft does VoIP better then crisco... cause I just cant wait to interface to a MCS :( |
| 07:13.03 | denon | Fleg-: read first, then talk |
| 07:13.05 | Fleg- | denon: Understand. But I can't configure it. |
| 07:13.06 | obnauticus | the same way you modulate data through the PSTN |
| 07:13.20 | denon | Fleg-: odds are you won't be happy with the results of what you're tring to do |
| 07:13.23 | denon | [trying] |
| 07:13.29 | denon | ~fax |
| 07:13.30 | jbot | Well, apperantly the fax was concieved of by Napoleon Bonaparte. He commissioned a system of devices that could transmit a traced image electrically over telegraph lines to a remote device that would redraw the image identically. |
| 07:13.43 | denon | eh ok |
| 07:13.46 | denon | not what I was hoping for |
| 07:13.57 | Fleg- | denon: why? Is it so bad? |
| 07:14.00 | drmessano | Unless something has changed, you need an existing PBX to interface MS OLCS to the PSTN |
| 07:14.28 | denon | Fleg-: because you're asking a protocol that doesn't mind losing a few packets here and there (SIP) to do a low-latency, precise communication session (FAX) |
| 07:14.39 | drmessano | I dont know if it even handles ITSP peers.. |
| 07:15.12 | denon | ~foip |
| 07:15.13 | jbot | it has been said that foip is Fax over IP. This requires funtionality standardised by T.38, realtime fax over IP, or T.37, store-and-forward via email. See http://soft-switch.org/foip.html for more detailed info about the subject |
| 07:15.30 | Fleg- | denon: hmm. Does fax protocol have no error correction? |
| 07:15.36 | drmessano | and I think it's not only using SIP TCP by default, but limited to TCP |
| 07:15.45 | drmessano | Sounds like MS alright |
| 07:15.48 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:16.12 | denon | drmessano: clearly, in order to satisfy the masses, all it needs to do is support technology from the 80s |
| 07:16.17 | denon | Fleg- is case in point |
| 07:17.05 | denon | Fleg-: configure all your stuff to use ulaw, QoS the heck out of everything you can, then cross your fingers and pray |
| 07:17.39 | CrashSys | Sacrificing a chicken on a full moon to the god Cthulu doesn't hurt either |
| 07:17.43 | CrashSys | but that's just my 2-cents |
| 07:18.05 | denon | doesn't help, and cost too much in production |
| 07:18.15 | denon | one chicken per fax, over a couple dozen channels .. really adds up |
| 07:18.26 | CrashSys | Open up a fried-chicken stand |
| 07:18.38 | CrashSys | Fax your order in, get half-off a chicken |
| 07:18.42 | ManxPower | you are welcome to some of the chickens I have around me. |
| 07:18.55 | ManxPower | ESPECIALLY the roosters. |
| 07:18.59 | denon | nobody wants fax-sacrificed chickens.. they taste lousy |
| 07:19.01 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:19.09 | Fleg- | denon: i can't get it dialing the number. I'm newbie in asterisk. Don't really understand how to write the script. |
| 07:19.11 | denon | like thermal paper |
| 07:19.21 | drmessano | YAY THERMAL FAXES |
| 07:19.21 | CrashSys | I tried to fax a chicken last night but the legs got packet lost |
| 07:19.27 | CrashSys | and I like the dark meat :( |
| 07:19.32 | denon | Fleg-: you've not really explained your situation very well .. how is your fax machine attached to asterisk? |
| 07:19.36 | ManxPower | Fleg-: expect to spend at least a month learning about Asterisk before you can REALLY understand it. |
| 07:19.45 | drmessano | ZOMG I MISSED UR FAX, THE SUN WUZ SHININ ON MAH DESK |
| 07:19.58 | drmessano | IT WUZ ALL BLACK |
| 07:20.13 | Fleg- | ManxPower: I'm afraid I have to. |
| 07:20.28 | denon | fleg, explain how it's attached . . |
| 07:21.10 | Fleg- | denon: I want to send a fax to remote fax machine over SIP. The machine has a normal inland FAX number. |
| 07:21.31 | drmessano | "I just took a job as a manager of a 2000 employee callcenter that uses Asterisk.. So, how does Asterisk work?" |
| 07:21.45 | denon | Fleg-: you have a fax machine sitting on your desk .. |
| 07:21.48 | ManxPower | Fleg-: Then you should start by reading The Book, then browsing the voip-info.org Wiki (be careful, it has much outdated info), then the mailing list archives. |
| 07:21.50 | denon | what is it's phone line plugged into? |
| 07:21.56 | CrashSys | It's shaped like a flower and operates on pixie dust... it's the Asterisk Mirage! |
| 07:22.08 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:22.30 | ManxPower | Fleg-: What you want to do will take at least $1,000 worth of hardware |
| 07:22.32 | drmessano | "It's a Panasonic Fax connected to a Grandstream VoIP modem" |
| 07:22.34 | Fleg- | ManxPower: I have the O'rely book. It must be good i think. |
| 07:22.38 | ManxPower | not including the fax machines. |
| 07:22.43 | ManxPower | ~book |
| 07:22.44 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 07:23.00 | drmessano | "Voip modem" <-- my fav |
| 07:23.07 | denon | ManxPower: $10 says it's plugged into an X100P |
| 07:23.10 | Fleg- | denon: no. only SIP. have no hardware at all. |
| 07:23.18 | denon | (and yes, I know it's not an FXS device) |
| 07:23.19 | CrashSys | ....... |
| 07:23.30 | drmessano | LOL |
| 07:23.32 | denon | Fleg-: here's the thing, you can't shove paper into your computer |
| 07:23.34 | drmessano | nice, denon.. |
| 07:23.36 | drmessano | heh |
| 07:23.47 | denon | there needs to be a fax machine, somehow attached to the intarwebber |
| 07:23.51 | drmessano | Is that like plugging a T1 card into a Linksys switch? |
| 07:24.02 | drmessano | Wondering where you set the IP |
| 07:24.03 | Fleg- | denon: I don't need to if I have an tif image. |
| 07:24.11 | ManxPower | Fleg-: You will need to get two TDM400P cards with the correct modules. |
| 07:24.16 | denon | ok, so now you're talking about making asterisk a fax client .. |
| 07:24.20 | denon | which is totally different |
| 07:24.38 | denon | read up on spandsp, hylafax and iaxmodem .. |
| 07:24.40 | ManxPower | denon: Don't you hate it when they change their goal in the middle? |
| 07:24.43 | denon | then, quite honestly, don't do any of it |
| 07:24.46 | Fleg- | denon: yes. What do you ment? |
| 07:24.51 | denon | because it will not be stable in production |
| 07:24.57 | drmessano | Im still lost.. when did Fax start working over SIP? I missed the memo |
| 07:25.02 | denon | we have all beat our heads against the wall after spending months trying to get this to work |
| 07:25.31 | CrashSys | Hylafax + IAXModem works when connected to PSTN :) |
| 07:25.35 | CrashSys | or T.37... |
| 07:25.55 | CrashSys | not really VoIP tho |
| 07:26.01 | ManxPower | drmessano: Oh, you can do it. But don't expect it to be reliable. We told him that and he can't come crying to us when it doesn't work. Changes are he doesn't realize the complexity, cost, or time involved and will five up in a few days anyway. |
| 07:26.02 | drmessano | CrashSys, so a PSTN <> SIP CONVARTAR should work, eh? lol |
| 07:26.17 | CrashSys | everything works in theory |
| 07:26.22 | drmessano | My experience was a half page worth |
| 07:26.29 | Fleg- | denon: hmm. I installed it all and I need to configure it (write a correct script) The fax is answearing but I can't get asterisk dial a number. |
| 07:26.30 | ManxPower | Talk about typoes.... |
| 07:26.31 | drmessano | It sent half the page and hung up |
| 07:26.40 | drmessano | Then it sent half the page again and hung up |
| 07:26.45 | drmessano | and then I stopped |
| 07:27.06 | CrashSys | Has Digium got the faxing on their T1 cards working? |
| 07:27.23 | CrashSys | I.E. T1 native bridging from span to span? |
| 07:27.28 | ManxPower | CrashSys: It's not really a BUG, it's a DESIGN issue. |
| 07:27.36 | denon | Fleg-: I'm not sure I really follow, but there are several good articles that I think you'll find helpful |
| 07:27.52 | drmessano | Imma send Fax over TDMoE |
| 07:28.13 | denon | Fleg-: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS218US219&q=hylafax+asterisk+send+tif |
| 07:28.13 | CrashSys | Interesting idea... wonder how stable the jitter is |
| 07:28.54 | drmessano | I'm sure it works like a windsock on a skyscraper in Chicago.. |
| 07:29.21 | CrashSys | so reliably and robustly? |
| 07:29.35 | drmessano | "It blows" |
| 07:29.54 | denon | heh, I just bought a new vaccuum for the house a while ago |
| 07:30.21 | Fleg- | denon: I have this one: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/app_rxfax+and+app_txfax |
| 07:30.22 | denon | and every single review, "Man, this thing really sucks!" |
| 07:30.22 | denon | everyone thinks they're so clever |
| 07:30.22 | drmessano | denon, wrong direction, same idea |
| 07:30.22 | denon | nod |
| 07:30.25 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:30.26 | Fleg- | denon: why shouldn't I use it? |
| 07:31.08 | drmessano | Some people just have to learn from experience, I guess |
| 07:31.09 | denon | Fleg-: it's highly unstable |
| 07:31.20 | Fleg- | denon: ok. |
| 07:31.23 | denon | Fleg-: you will get it set up, it'll work .. 1 page will work .. 2 pages will work .. |
| 07:31.26 | drmessano | "But it's posted on a wiki!!!!ones!!!! |
| 07:31.28 | denon | you'll say "cool!" |
| 07:31.36 | denon | and you'll foolishly put it into production |
| 07:31.57 | denon | then all the sudden, people are complaining . . missing pages .. re-sending faxes .. slow connections .. |
| 07:32.04 | denon | and you'll waste your weekend chasing your tail |
| 07:32.33 | ManxPower | We speak from experience. |
| 07:32.46 | denon | your wife will ask what you're doing, and you'll get disgruntled because you could be out to a movie, but instead you're huddled over your SSH window, trying to fix a protocol that sucked even in 1983 |
| 07:32.51 | CrashSys | denon: But then he could blog about it like nerdvittles! |
| 07:33.01 | drmessano | Fax Over IP should stop at "I got to eFax's website to manage my account" |
| 07:33.29 | ManxPower | drmessano: But it's NOT FaxOverIP. It's FaxOverVoiceOverIP |
| 07:33.30 | denon | t.37 rocks, really |
| 07:33.39 | ManxPower | and usually +OverInternet |
| 07:33.46 | CrashSys | FoVoIP |
| 07:33.57 | denon | as5400s can push thousands of faxes, millions of pages, no problems |
| 07:33.57 | drmessano | yeah yeah |
| 07:34.19 | drmessano | ManxPower: Do you always need to correct someone when they agree with you :) |
| 07:34.40 | denon | some of us just need to feel like it was our idea |
| 07:34.45 | drmessano | heh |
| 07:35.01 | ManxPower | drmessano: Your term is misleading in my opinion. 8-) |
| 07:35.11 | drmessano | It is called FoIP |
| 07:35.21 | drmessano | Even if the V is left out |
| 07:35.27 | drmessano | and it ruined my joke anyway |
| 07:35.30 | drmessano | So.. there |
| 07:35.50 | denon | so yeah, guys, im trying to connect into this BBS in switzerland over my vonage account ... |
| 07:36.00 | denon | why can't I get a 56k connection? it's digital!! |
| 07:36.15 | CrashSys | Is it a Renegade BBS? |
| 07:36.16 | drmessano | LOL |
| 07:36.20 | denon | no, MajorBBS |
| 07:36.23 | CrashSys | 10-05? |
| 07:36.23 | denon | is that the problem? |
| 07:36.29 | CrashSys | Ohh, well there's yer problem! |
| 07:36.40 | drmessano | I couldnt get two USR modems to talk at 9600 between ATAs |
| 07:36.42 | denon | darn, guess I'll just move it to Wildcat |
| 07:36.44 | CrashSys | If you were running Oblivion/2 or better it'd be bullets! |
| 07:37.00 | drmessano | Maybe it was the ATAs.. ive heard 14,400 works |
| 07:37.03 | CrashSys | Yuck... wildcat... |
| 07:37.05 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:37.32 | drmessano | I should have taken a pic of my test setup.. it was fun trying to get two modems to talk |
| 07:38.00 | denon | actually, earlier on, I did used to do modem connections over cisco atas |
| 07:39.01 | drmessano | Well, I tried for a few hours |
| 07:39.02 | CrashSys | Cisco is the answer! |
| 07:39.15 | CrashSys | When in doubt, pay 3x what it's worth! |
| 07:39.24 | CrashSys | :) |
| 07:39.40 | drmessano | and then the sound of modems redialing and not connecting gave me too many flashbacks of my days of dialup internet and failed connects.. I wet myself and started crying.. so it was all voer |
| 07:39.42 | drmessano | over* |
| 07:41.25 | drmessano | I remember waiting for all the Free ISP's I used to use to connect.. connection dropped, and it would take 20 mins to get back on sometimes, if at all |
| 07:41.28 | drmessano | The good old days |
| 07:45.51 | *** join/#asterisk Frogzoo (n=Frogzoo@CPE-121-216-147-93.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 07:49.18 | *** join/#asterisk shtoom (n=godson@59.93.113.222) |
| 07:51.22 | *** join/#asterisk JT (n=j@unaffiliated/jt) |
| 07:54.11 | drmessano | I guess I need to figure out WTF is up with my Grandcentral setup |
| 07:54.25 | lmadsen | Remote Access was the best BBS software |
| 07:54.49 | lmadsen | and now I sleep |
| 07:54.59 | drmessano | heh |
| 07:55.23 | alrs | Telegard! |
| 07:55.44 | drmessano | Hmm |
| 07:56.48 | alrs | I met Tom Jennings at a DIY easy-bake oven contest last year |
| 07:57.33 | drmessano | I uh |
| 07:57.33 | drmessano | Do I want to ask? |
| 07:57.43 | *** join/#asterisk JT (n=j@unaffiliated/jt) |
| 08:05.38 | drmessano | wow |
| 08:06.00 | *** join/#asterisk BeeBuu (n=chatzill@218.13.98.228) |
| 08:06.09 | drmessano | Calls from Grandcentral > Gizmo are broken again, I think.. My asterisk seems to be fine |
| 08:06.12 | BeeBuu | help me anyone,please |
| 08:06.31 | BeeBuu | -- Executing [s@macro-dialout-trunk:25] Dial("SIP/1002-09a99828", "ZAP/g0/1234567890|300|") in new stack |
| 08:06.33 | BeeBuu | -- Called g0/1234567890 |
| 08:06.34 | BeeBuu | -- Zap/1-1 answered SIP/1002-09a99828 |
| 08:07.04 | BeeBuu | it's mean * made a call by ZAP channel? |
| 08:07.14 | *** join/#asterisk nvrpunk (n=root@81.90.21.226) |
| 08:07.38 | nvrpunk | I installed asterisk on debian and ran asterisk -r but there is no "dialplan" command |
| 08:07.42 | nvrpunk | anyone know why? |
| 08:07.56 | nvrpunk | yes, I used the binary package :p |
| 08:08.10 | BeeBuu | nvrpunk: which version is ? |
| 08:08.25 | nvrpunk | 1.2.13 |
| 08:08.27 | nvrpunk | apparently |
| 08:08.29 | nvrpunk | hmmm |
| 08:08.31 | nvrpunk | not good |
| 08:09.03 | BeeBuu | Y not 1.4? |
| 08:09.43 | nvrpunk | not sure? i just apt-get installed it |
| 08:10.26 | BeeBuu | what you get when you run asterisk -r? |
| 08:10.39 | nvrpunk | 1.2.13 |
| 08:10.44 | nvrpunk | and asterisk -V |
| 08:10.47 | nvrpunk | same dif |
| 08:10.49 | nvrpunk | one min |
| 08:10.55 | BeeBuu | on my side,i got: Asterisk 1.4.17-1 RPM by vc-rpms@voipconsulting.nl, Copyright (C) 1999 - 2007 Digium, Inc. and others. |
| 08:11.49 | nvrpunk | yeah fetching new packages |
| 08:11.51 | nvrpunk | real fast |
| 08:12.08 | nvrpunk | went with stable but Debian's release cycles are uber old hehe |
| 08:12.28 | nvrpunk | 1.4 is considered unstable by debian |
| 08:12.30 | nvrpunk | imagine that |
| 08:12.53 | BeeBuu | maybe,but i using good... |
| 08:13.07 | drmessano | Trixbox? |
| 08:13.12 | nvrpunk | 1.4 is fine, Debian is just old |
| 08:13.18 | nvrpunk | trixbox? no |
| 08:13.25 | nvrpunk | some pos my boss gave me |
| 08:13.27 | nvrpunk | to test it on |
| 08:13.27 | drmessano | Not you |
| 08:13.32 | BeeBuu | drmessano: yes,i am,would you help me? |
| 08:14.01 | BeeBuu | -- Executing [s@macro-dialout-trunk:25] Dial("SIP/1002-09a99828", "ZAP/g0/1234567890|300|") in new stack |
| 08:14.09 | drmessano | trixbox is against my religion :( |
| 08:14.11 | BeeBuu | what's wrong? |
| 08:14.38 | BeeBuu | what's that mean? |
| 08:14.54 | BeeBuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.29 | BeeBuu | i got 2 FXO,and i want to dial out with a sip phone |
| 08:15.53 | drmessano | First off, trixbox isn't supported here, second off, you need to stop pasting a bunch of lines into IRC channels.. there's pastbin for that |
| 08:16.00 | drmessano | pastebin* |
| 08:16.29 | BeeBuu | trixbox is base on asterisk,right? |
| 08:16.41 | drmessano | ~trixbox |
| 08:16.42 | jbot | [~trixbox] trixbox is a full linux distro that includes FreePBX and other 3rd party add-ons. It is all this extra stuff which makes trixbox VERY difficult to support, and is not supported in #asterisk. Try asking in #trixbox or on their forums & wiki at http://www.trixbox.org |
| 08:16.49 | CrashSys | Yes... and Budweiser is based on beer |
| 08:16.59 | CrashSys | but I wouldn't call Trixbox Asterisk necessarily... |
| 08:17.06 | drmessano | CrashSys.. |
| 08:17.26 | drmessano | I can tell you're smarter than "Yes... and Budweiser is based on beer" |
| 08:17.34 | drmessano | What about |
| 08:17.38 | CrashSys | Not at 3:19am on a saturday |
| 08:17.51 | drmessano | "But Budweiser is made with water too, right?" |
| 08:17.52 | CrashSys | Plus i've been dipping into my stella's... |
| 08:17.55 | drmessano | hehe |
| 08:18.16 | CrashSys | since they were all sold out of modelo especial's |
| 08:18.39 | drmessano | I always go for the lowest common denominator when I am busting someone out on comparison's |
| 08:18.48 | drmessano | It maximizes the effect |
| 08:18.56 | drmessano | "But.. they're both linux, right?" |
| 08:19.26 | CrashSys | I prefer to go above their head so that they will ask someone else who has time to explain it :) |
| 08:19.31 | drmessano | LOL |
| 08:22.34 | BeeBuu | any way,anyone tell me what's that mean? |
| 08:22.38 | drmessano | BeeBuu: trixbox changes all the rules, much like how using a command prompt in windows isn't "DOS" |
| 08:22.48 | CrashSys | DrMessano: See! Proof of Concept! |
| 08:22.54 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:23.20 | drmessano | BeeBuu: try #trixbox or trixbox.org |
| 08:24.13 | BeeBuu | #trixbox room's topic:Since trixbox is comprised of many other projects, it's hard to offer support in one place. Please try #freepbx for support with PBX-related issues, |
| 08:24.34 | drmessano | ~trixbox |
| 08:24.35 | jbot | [~trixbox] trixbox is a full linux distro that includes FreePBX and other 3rd party add-ons. It is all this extra stuff which makes trixbox VERY difficult to support, and is not supported in #asterisk. Try asking in #trixbox or on their forums & wiki at http://www.trixbox.org |
| 08:24.38 | drmessano | I can do that too |
| 08:24.45 | drmessano | ZOMG |
| 08:25.53 | BeeBuu | #trixbox can't help,and here too? |
| 08:26.02 | drmessano | Did you read ? |
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| 08:27.09 | BeeBuu | where i should go? |
| 08:27.25 | BeeBuu | #trixbox? |
| 08:27.49 | drmessano | http://www.trixbox.org <-- LOTZA TRIXYBOX SUPPORTS |
| 08:28.09 | drmessano | Learn that address... if you're using trixbox, you'll need it |
| 08:28.59 | BeeBuu | damn trixbox,why make diff asterisk? |
| 08:29.56 | nvrpunk | glad my boss opted to let me build my own asterisk box |
| 08:30.05 | nvrpunk | and lemme install what i want on it |
| 08:30.06 | nvrpunk | hehe |
| 08:31.10 | nvrpunk | what codecs use 30ms samples? |
| 08:31.55 | drmessano | I started out with trixbox.. it was cool. it was like swimming wearing a winter coat and parachute pants.. but swimming.. |
| 08:32.17 | drmessano | ... and then, the sharks showed up |
| 08:35.32 | CrashSys | and you began bleeding profusely? |
| 08:38.10 | drmessano | heh |
| 08:41.23 | nvrpunk | drmessano, question, I am following to Oreilly guide, even when i do dialplan reload and then dialplan show I have an amass of stuff that it hasnt mentioned, like ael-default etc. Is this of importance> |
| 08:42.39 | drmessano | Are you using the sample config files? |
| 08:43.11 | nvrpunk | well there are a lot of them in the directory |
| 08:43.16 | nvrpunk | do I need to move them all out? |
| 08:43.23 | nvrpunk | and just leave the extensions.conf? |
| 08:44.01 | nvrpunk | as I didn't compile from source, i am guessing all these example configs were installed from the binary package |
| 08:44.38 | drmessano | Without knowing what you're seeing, starting out with clean config files is always best |
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| 08:45.05 | JT | nvrpunk: a lot of codecs can use 30ms samples, but asterisk only supports 20ms last i checked |
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| 08:51.59 | nvrpunk | hmm |
| 08:52.11 | nvrpunk | well thats inefficient packet usages |
| 08:52.15 | nvrpunk | usage* |
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| 08:54.08 | JT | heh |
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| 09:02.53 | syzygyBSD | anyone from teliax in here? |
| 09:03.48 | syzygyBSD | I figure I would ask before I send my hate mail into support and cancel my account which has NEVER worked (your new system sucks balls) after not hearing anything back in a week |
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| 09:07.34 | AJayMN | i heard someone say 10digit Extensions is not a good thing, but i never heard why.. or if thats true.. Anyone know? |
| 09:08.56 | nvrpunk | I have followed the Asterisk oreilly book up to configuring for soft phones, is that enough to make internal calls from softphone to softphone? |
| 09:09.00 | nvrpunk | if I configure 2 |
| 09:09.51 | AJayMN | should be able to dial the others softphone exten and work. |
| 09:10.03 | nvrpunk | ok : |
| 09:10.03 | AJayMN | using g711 codec |
| 09:10.04 | nvrpunk | :) |
| 09:10.09 | nvrpunk | one step at a time |
| 09:10.23 | nvrpunk | someone said asterisk doesnt support 30ms samples |
| 09:10.27 | nvrpunk | is this true? |
| 09:11.04 | nvrpunk | thats a waste of 1/3 of the packets :/ |
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| 09:15.30 | JT | nvrpunk: i think you're being a bit dramatic about the waste |
| 09:15.34 | JT | but yes asterisk is 20ms |
| 09:19.59 | nvrpunk | how is the dramatic? |
| 09:20.02 | nvrpunk | that* |
| 09:20.06 | nvrpunk | it's really not |
| 09:20.09 | nvrpunk | actually :P |
| 09:21.22 | JT | i don't see how it "wastes" 1/3 the packets |
| 09:21.50 | JT | and the advantage is slightly lower latency, but the 20ms thing is due to it being hard coded i guess |
| 09:22.29 | nvrpunk | 30ms uses the full amount per packet available |
| 09:22.38 | nvrpunk | 20ms uses 2/3 |
| 09:22.44 | JT | amount of what? |
| 09:22.46 | nvrpunk | hence 1/3 wasted packets |
| 09:22.48 | nvrpunk | data |
| 09:22.52 | nvrpunk | in the packet |
| 09:22.54 | JT | explain |
| 09:22.57 | nvrpunk | .. |
| 09:23.07 | nvrpunk | we run a satellite isp |
| 09:23.09 | JT | IP is not ATM |
| 09:23.10 | nvrpunk | just trust me |
| 09:23.16 | nvrpunk | 20ms is a huge waste |
| 09:23.17 | JT | no, i'd rather an explanation |
| 09:23.32 | nvrpunk | then google |
| 09:23.35 | nvrpunk | and research |
| 09:23.43 | nvrpunk | rather than assume its not a huge waste |
| 09:23.55 | JT | i know there's some waste |
| 09:24.01 | nvrpunk | when you pay 5k per Mbps youll think differently |
| 09:24.08 | JT | i just don't think it's as dramatic as you're speaking of |
| 09:24.17 | JT | unless you're talking about a very specific scenario |
| 09:24.43 | nvrpunk | ok, pps is what voip relies on heavily yes? |
| 09:24.49 | nvrpunk | not so much bandwidth |
| 09:24.55 | JT | sure |
| 09:24.59 | nvrpunk | if you are going over a sat link |
| 09:25.06 | nvrpunk | pps is not what you have so much of |
| 09:25.10 | nvrpunk | so its a huge loss |
| 09:25.14 | nvrpunk | in our business |
| 09:25.22 | nvrpunk | we want to use everything we can |
| 09:25.25 | nvrpunk | to not waste packets |
| 09:25.30 | JT | so why not 40ms then? |
| 09:25.32 | JT | or more |
| 09:25.44 | nvrpunk | because that doesnt work with out MTU |
| 09:25.46 | nvrpunk | :p |
| 09:25.51 | nvrpunk | its the math we have in place |
| 09:25.55 | nvrpunk | that makes it wasteful |
| 09:26.02 | JT | so it's about YOUR mtu |
| 09:26.08 | nvrpunk | :D |
| 09:26.11 | nvrpunk | you got it! |
| 09:26.24 | JT | the one that you didn't want to specify |
| 09:26.25 | drmessano | Well shit |
| 09:26.31 | drmessano | They MUST patch this IMMEDIATELY |
| 09:26.37 | nvrpunk | haha |
| 09:26.40 | nvrpunk | im not saying that |
| 09:26.49 | nvrpunk | ill ask ol dude why we cant change the MTU |
| 09:26.58 | nvrpunk | and put VOIP on a dif vlan |
| 09:27.03 | nvrpunk | like i already suggested |
| 09:27.04 | nvrpunk | :P |
| 09:27.05 | JT | i mean, you don't have to use asterisk :) |
| 09:27.18 | nvrpunk | JT, hey man it was my choice |
| 09:27.24 | nvrpunk | im not the network engineer though |
| 09:27.25 | nvrpunk | :P |
| 09:27.39 | nvrpunk | im the guy who does the um stuff he doesnt want to do |
| 09:27.40 | nvrpunk | haha |
| 09:27.44 | nvrpunk | like this |
| 09:28.19 | JT | what is your mtu? |
| 09:28.26 | nvrpunk | 1500 |
| 09:28.29 | drmessano | Sure, but you're the one complaining how wasteful asterisk is when YOUR system is the issue.. Isn't that a bit douche? |
| 09:28.58 | nvrpunk | drmessano, no when asterisk prides itself on being flexible and I DONT |
| 09:28.59 | nvrpunk | :P |
| 09:29.10 | drmessano | Well, in that case.. |
| 09:29.52 | nvrpunk | you asked, I know the answer was assinine |
| 09:29.57 | nvrpunk | :/ |
| 09:30.17 | nvrpunk | and pompous |
| 09:30.30 | drmessano | May I ask you a personal question? |
| 09:30.40 | nvrpunk | suuure |
| 09:30.43 | nvrpunk | why not |
| 09:30.49 | JT | after a while, you come to learn that there are many areas that asterisk does not pride itself on being flexible |
| 09:30.52 | nvrpunk | seeing as im sure i pissed you off |
| 09:30.53 | JT | :( |
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| 09:31.14 | drmessano | Are you drunk, stoned, or otherwise in need of the help of a mental health professional? |
| 09:31.38 | nvrpunk | drmessano, im in Iraq fighting a war |
| 09:31.42 | nvrpunk | does that count? |
| 09:31.49 | nvrpunk | or rather, assisting in it |
| 09:32.15 | nvrpunk | i mean, theres mortars, rocket attacks. Yet i still go outside to smoke |
| 09:32.22 | nvrpunk | i still drive place to place |
| 09:32.30 | nvrpunk | i think thats a form of insanity |
| 09:32.39 | nvrpunk | however slight |
| 09:34.09 | nvrpunk | seriously though, im just a soldier working for an ISP on the side trying to setup VoIP so soldiers can call home |
| 09:34.43 | nvrpunk | and give them DID :) |
| 09:38.20 | Fleg- | denon: are you here? |
| 09:39.32 | Fleg- | I have configured iaxmodem and efax but I can't get iaxmodem dialing over SIP. |
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| 09:51.04 | tzafrir | nvrpunk, some will say that you're profiting from a war |
| 09:51.17 | tzafrir | please don't drag politics in here |
| 09:51.47 | tzafrir | and try avoiding it when it is mentioned. I know it takes a thick skin |
| 09:57.32 | tzafrir | nvrpunk, BTW: what codec did you complain tyhat can't be used with 30ms ? |
| 09:57.35 | tzafrir | http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/branches/1.4/doc/rtp-packetization.txt |
| 09:57.55 | nvrpunk | tzafrir, JT said that asterisk doesnt work with 30ms samples |
| 09:59.16 | nvrpunk | ah information that states differently |
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| 09:59.20 | nvrpunk | thanks :) |
| 09:59.26 | tzafrir | I figure that this was asterisk 1.2... |
| 10:00.14 | nvrpunk | sorry about the politics, just was being honest about what I do :) but I am actually in the Army :p |
| 10:10.03 | nvrpunk | tzafrir, thank you, you are the man :) |
| 10:16.02 | JT | it looks like some things were improved in 1.4 :) |
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| 11:49.02 | IPGHOST | hi |
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| 12:00.37 | Greek-Boy | hi |
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| 12:01.23 | msolomos | am looking for a programmer |
| 12:01.43 | msolomos | to write us a web interface for a calling card platform |
| 12:01.52 | msolomos | anyone out there? |
| 12:06.05 | msolomos | ? |
| 12:06.14 | msolomos | anyone familiar wit dtmf? |
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| 12:12.49 | JT | dtmf, what's the question? |
| 12:21.25 | IPGHOST | hi buddies |
| 12:22.00 | IPGHOST | can u give me idea of any system to run an automated survey system |
| 12:25.45 | tzafrir | Automated survey system? hmmm... I figure that the computer also fills out the results? |
| 12:26.15 | tzafrir | Or are those set by a distributed network of bots? |
| 12:26.43 | tzanger | :-) |
| 12:26.52 | Greek-Boy | can I give the same extension number to an agent and is physical phone? |
| 12:30.12 | tzafrir | IPGHOST, serieasly, though: I saw one or two such systems in freshmeat |
| 12:30.52 | Greek-Boy | I am trying to achieve mobility or better known as extension roaming. |
| 12:30.59 | IPGHOST | tzafrir, it is to ask & get ans wer of few questions |
| 12:37.07 | msolomos | i have an application |
| 12:37.12 | msolomos | for a survey system |
| 12:37.16 | msolomos | it works fine |
| 12:37.26 | msolomos | and with great success i can tell |
| 12:39.57 | IPGHOST | msolomos, what is that app? |
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| 12:41.05 | Greek-Boy | anyone know how much scopserv ITSP version costs? |
| 12:43.19 | msolomos | ipghost |
| 12:43.25 | msolomos | look in astpp.org |
| 12:43.36 | msolomos | the autocall and survey script it's there |
| 12:44.00 | IPGHOST | ok |
| 12:45.07 | Greek-Boy | so nobody knows about roaming? |
| 12:45.41 | msolomos | nobody knows kannel ? |
| 12:45.58 | Greek-Boy | i know kannel |
| 12:47.16 | msolomos | i want someone to setup kannel server |
| 12:47.21 | msolomos | for money |
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| 13:05.26 | msolomos | dtmf issues |
| 13:05.31 | msolomos | any help? |
| 13:07.32 | msolomos | this room has many people |
| 13:07.39 | msolomos | ...all of them without tongue |
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| 13:11.17 | Greek-Boy | its sunday today |
| 13:11.20 | Greek-Boy | people are relaxing |
| 13:19.08 | msolomos | i have a question. probably you all know the script that people are able to place calls through their website and talk to their customers. there is a such script out there. the question is how diffucult to turn this to a database application for many uses etv etc |
| 13:19.10 | msolomos | ?????? |
| 13:24.22 | JT | msolomos: got enough question marks there? |
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| 13:25.11 | JT | msolomos: and i have still yet to see what the dtmf issues actually ARE |
| 13:25.12 | JT | ~ask |
| 13:25.15 | jbot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 13:25.36 | JT | Greek-Boy: done much with kannel? |
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| 13:33.21 | IPGHOST | msolomos, astapp.org , is that host up ? |
| 13:33.54 | msolomos | it should be |
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| 13:35.13 | Greek-Boy | JT: not much |
| 13:35.36 | Greek-Boy | JT: just started playing/experimenting with it recently. what about you? |
| 13:36.44 | msolomos | Jt i solve the issues |
| 13:36.58 | msolomos | asterisk dtmf app is not that good |
| 13:37.25 | msolomos | i have a caaling card system and some users couldn't authenticate |
| 13:37.31 | msolomos | i thought it was my box |
| 13:37.37 | msolomos | or the phone booth |
| 13:37.53 | msolomos | but actually is asterisk's base dtmf app |
| 13:38.13 | msolomos | i had to record the dtmf produced and compare it with actual one |
| 13:38.33 | msolomos | i replaced dtmf module and this solved the problem |
| 13:40.26 | Greek-Boy | msolomos have you set the correct dtmf setting in your conf? |
| 13:40.30 | tzanger | msolomos: asterisk dtmf had a bit that was corrected a while ago, what version of asterisk are you running |
| 13:40.34 | Greek-Boy | what channels are the users coming in on? |
| 13:41.07 | msolomos | it's all shorted now |
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| 13:41.11 | msolomos | zap |
| 13:43.01 | Greek-Boy | anyone her know if astbill runs on asterisk 1.4? |
| 13:43.07 | tzafrir | you mean: dtmf detection in Asterisk? |
| 13:43.21 | tzafrir | What do you mean by "DTMF app"? |
| 13:43.27 | mvanbaak | 4 |
| 13:43.31 | tzafrir | dtmf detection? DTMF generation? |
| 13:44.10 | tzafrir | There are some complaints about dtmf generation in zaptel 1.4.8 |
| 13:44.28 | tzafrir | (for FXO channels. I'm not sure if this also applies to PRI) |
| 13:44.41 | musalk | hi we have a asterisk server first on ubuntu then mandriva and some how it f##ks up the root acount on both any ideas? |
| 13:45.25 | mvanbaak | define 'f##ks up the root account' |
| 13:46.05 | musalk | yesterday we install mandriva setup every thing and today root has expired |
| 13:47.05 | musalk | we had the same problem on ubuntu but it took a week |
| 13:47.18 | musalk | before the problem apeard |
| 13:48.01 | mvanbaak | the root account expired ? |
| 13:48.42 | musalk | rather access denied |
| 13:49.56 | tzafrir | musalk, how have you installed Asterisk? from package? from source? |
| 13:50.07 | musalk | package |
| 13:50.25 | tzafrir | A package has to have a very broken preinst / postinst to cause that |
| 13:50.32 | tzafrir | you can inspect those scripts |
| 13:50.42 | tzafrir | rpm -qp --scripts |
| 13:50.57 | mvanbaak | hhmm |
| 13:51.02 | mvanbaak | the ubuntu packages are fine |
| 13:51.15 | tzafrir | Or in debs: dpkg -I package.deb preinst # or postinst |
| 13:51.19 | musalk | the installation on ubuntu ran for 5 days then access denied for root |
| 13:51.29 | tzafrir | And I don't suppose a package would be that broken |
| 13:51.47 | mvanbaak | musalk: you mean you could no longer ssh in as root ? |
| 13:52.04 | mvanbaak | musalk: or root could not login on the local console ? |
| 13:52.04 | musalk | not on too totaly different installs the same facktor is the asterisk config files |
| 13:52.23 | musalk | nither on shh or local |
| 13:52.34 | mvanbaak | and after a reboot ? |
| 13:52.41 | musalk | had too reset password manuly |
| 13:52.44 | tzafrir | can you connect as a user, and su to root? |
| 13:52.54 | musalk | yes as user |
| 13:53.02 | musalk | no to su |
| 13:53.06 | mvanbaak | ubuntu does not allow root logins |
| 13:53.17 | mvanbaak | you have to login as normal user and su to root |
| 13:53.39 | musalk | it dose when shh is set to root allow |
| 13:54.00 | musalk | anyway the systems works fine for a few days then access denied |
| 13:54.00 | mvanbaak | no, because by default root has no password in ubuntu |
| 13:54.35 | musalk | with root login and so on^ |
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| 13:56.08 | musalk | i have setup a lot of servers with mandriva and my firend is vevry good on ubuntu and we have never seen this problem before |
| 13:57.06 | musalk | the only common for this installs is the asterisk both installed from there respektive reposotorys |
| 13:58.55 | musalk | no ideas? |
| 13:59.17 | mvanbaak | if you used the default ubuntu package it must be something else |
| 13:59.44 | mvanbaak | because the default ubuntu asterisk packages does not touch the root user at all |
| 13:59.52 | musalk | we used defualt on both distributions |
| 14:00.13 | mvanbaak | and all you did was install asterisk and alter files in /etc/asterisk ? |
| 14:00.20 | musalk | the only thing thay shared is the config files and some MOH files |
| 14:00.27 | *** join/#asterisk inadaptado (n=matias@190.3.121.15) |
| 14:00.33 | musalk | yes^^ |
| 14:00.46 | mvanbaak | can you post the configs somewhere ? |
| 14:01.00 | musalk | give a min |
| 14:04.30 | *** join/#asterisk lmadsen (n=Leif@asterisk/documenteur-extraordinaire/blitzrage) |
| 14:04.30 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o lmadsen] by ChanServ |
| 14:06.05 | mvanbaak | hey lmadsen |
| 14:06.20 | lmadsen | mvanbaak: lmadsen's not here man |
| 14:07.04 | [TK]D-Fender | mvanbaak, these aren't the droids you're looking for |
| 14:07.43 | Greek-Boy | [TK]D-Fender how are you? |
| 14:08.20 | lmadsen | [TK]D-Fender: nerd! :) |
| 14:08.34 | tzanger | msolomos: what did you do to correct your dtmf issues |
| 14:08.47 | tzanger | lmadsen: no, it's me, lmadsen, i got the stuff, let me in! |
| 14:09.06 | lmadsen | heh |
| 14:09.28 | tzanger | [TK]D-Fender: if you shoot me your email I'll send you the 11 things uttered by yoda when making love |
| 14:09.36 | tzanger | I just had it sent to me here |
| 14:09.44 | tzanger | actually fuck it I'll pastebin it |
| 14:10.09 | mvanbaak | yeah, let us all enjoy it |
| 14:10.59 | tzanger | pastebin's on crack |
| 14:11.06 | tzanger | forbidden from my ip due to abuse? |
| 14:11.18 | mvanbaak | lol |
| 14:11.22 | mvanbaak | ~pb |
| 14:11.23 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 14:11.49 | tzanger | http://pastebin.com/m3fe54c72 |
| 14:14.03 | jblack | What was that you were saying about being banned from pastebin for abuse? |
| 14:14.34 | Greek-Boy | anybody here know about extension mobility? (roaming) ? |
| 14:15.22 | musalk | mvanbaak: http://musalk.dk/conf.zip |
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| 14:18.25 | tzanger | jblack: it took the post as spam, blacklisted my ip |
| 14:19.14 | jblack | Heh. |
| 14:19.15 | musalk | mvanbaak: ofcause no valid sip accounts |
| 14:19.48 | jblack | I'm making some maruchen ramen (Ramen!).... tossed the block of noodles in the bowl, threw on the beef spice packet. |
| 14:19.50 | mvanbaak | you checked the logs to see noone actually changed the root password ? |
| 14:20.05 | jblack | Then I had a strong urge to scream "Soylent green is people!" |
| 14:26.35 | *** join/#asterisk nitram (i=nitram@superblob.com) |
| 14:31.22 | [TK]D-Fender | damn dirty apes..... |
| 14:31.43 | jhiver | hi guys |
| 14:31.52 | musalk | mvanbaak: sorry to bother you we got hacked thats way |
| 14:32.05 | jblack | Some believe that robots will enslave humanity. Others put their stock in Apes. |
| 14:32.16 | jblack | I think it'll be the roaches. |
| 14:32.33 | jhiver | i'm trying to work out a way to do call back, i.e. you ring a number and it calls you back. I'm trying to use the 'h' extension to call a DeadAGI script to create the call file, however 'h' is not triggered if the channel was not answered first! |
| 14:32.37 | jhiver | any ideas? |
| 14:32.56 | jblack | jhiver: Yeah. Look at the outgoing spool directory for calls. |
| 14:33.15 | jhiver | the plan is to do 1) dial 2) let ring 3) hangup 4) it calls you back |
| 14:33.17 | jblack | Plop in a text file with the right syntax and the right modification date, and it makes that call. |
| 14:33.26 | jhiver | that's not the problem |
| 14:33.41 | jhiver | the problem is that i need the caller id to be passed to a script after the user hangs the phone |
| 14:33.44 | jblack | That's how most people setup callback services. |
| 14:33.58 | jhiver | and the 'h' extension is never triggered since we never answered the channel to start with |
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| 14:35.08 | jhiver | right now i do 1) set a ${CallBackNumber} variable, 2) Ringing() 3) Wait() forever until the user CANCELs the call |
| 14:35.12 | jblack | Try the g option. |
| 14:35.15 | jblack | To dial. |
| 14:35.24 | jhiver | but i'm not dialing anything? |
| 14:35.30 | jhiver | let me paste what i did |
| 14:35.34 | jblack | or look at the M option. |
| 14:35.37 | jhiver | one sec |
| 14:36.07 | jhiver | http://pastebin.ca/898660 |
| 14:36.08 | jhiver | there |
| 14:36.31 | jblack | I don't see what the problem is. Someone dials in, You can do whatever you want with it while it's ringing. Just dont' answer. |
| 14:36.47 | jblack | Call an agi that records their callerid, etc. |
| 14:37.14 | jhiver | the problem is that you want to create the call file ONLY when the user has hung up and not before then |
| 14:37.28 | [TK]D-Fender | jhiver, Channel variables are gone once you hit "h" IIRC |
| 14:37.45 | [TK]D-Fender | jhiver, And thats not how to make a call-back script |
| 14:37.48 | jhiver | and on top of that it never does anyway :) |
| 14:37.53 | [TK]D-Fender | jhiver, use call-files or AMI originate |
| 14:38.04 | jhiver | yes i want to use call files |
| 14:38.19 | jhiver | i just want to create them AFTER the user hangs up |
| 14:38.45 | jhiver | otherwise you have to make it ring somehow in the future (a few seconds) but it's kind of horrible /methinks |
| 14:38.52 | [TK]D-Fender | jhiver, Save the wait, make the call file immediately, and hang up on THEM <--- |
| 14:39.11 | Greek-Boy | [TK]D-Fender do you happen to know about extension mobility? |
| 14:39.23 | jhiver | nah, that's not good |
| 14:39.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Greek-Boy, its called cut&paste where I come from ;) |
| 14:39.31 | jhiver | i want to be sure that the user has hung their phone |
| 14:39.35 | [TK]D-Fender | jhiver, yes it is. Highly effective |
| 14:39.51 | jhiver | if you hang up on them there is no guarantee that they will actually put the phone on hook |
| 14:39.53 | [TK]D-Fender | jhiver, NOTHING forces the guy to hang up. Play a message saying "hang up NOW". |
| 14:40.04 | [TK]D-Fender | jhiver, and put a bit of a delay on the call-back |
| 14:40.10 | jhiver | that's horrible |
| 14:40.32 | [TK]D-Fender | jhiver, there is NEVER a garuantee they will hang up their phoone so don't waste effort thinking your approach will :) |
| 14:40.39 | jhiver | yes there is |
| 14:40.42 | jhiver | well |
| 14:40.44 | jhiver | almost :) |
| 14:41.00 | jblack | No, there's not. |
| 14:41.00 | jhiver | if i create the file as soon as i have the info 'user hanged up' |
| 14:41.00 | [TK]D-Fender | jhiver, get your hands off your nuts and SIEZE THE DAY! |
| 14:41.07 | jhiver | i am minimizing delay |
| 14:41.18 | [TK]D-Fender | jhiver, seriously not worth it. |
| 14:41.42 | *** join/#asterisk mathewjenkinson (n=mathew@mathewjenkinson.demon.co.uk) |
| 14:41.44 | jhiver | i'll see if i can move all in the deadagi script |
| 14:41.47 | jhiver | maybe that'll do it |
| 14:42.32 | jhiver | yes it's worth it because i find it a bit cleaner :) |
| 14:42.35 | mathewjenkinson | hi, can anyone help me with an incoming route issue? |
| 14:45.08 | *** join/#asterisk adjohn (n=adjohn@p5182-ipad71marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) |
| 14:49.28 | jhiver | actually i think i'll write a daemon that just watches the CDR files and writes the call file when the CDR is written |
| 14:49.46 | jhiver | that seems like the best option for what i want to do |
| 14:52.26 | jhiver | still horrible though :) |
| 14:58.03 | jhiver | hey can somebody actually ring this number? I'd like to see what the caller id will look like from abroad |
| 14:58.11 | jhiver | the number is +262 262 358 298 |
| 14:58.18 | mathewjenkinson | ill ring it if u can help me with my trunk issue? |
| 14:58.19 | *** join/#asterisk boiled_fetuccini (n=kvirc@modemcable203.73-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 14:58.52 | jhiver | mathewjenkinson i don't know if i have the knowledge to help :) |
| 14:58.56 | jhiver | shoot anyway |
| 14:59.15 | jhiver | if it's TDM card related i'm useless pretty much |
| 14:59.47 | mathewjenkinson | well i have the account details, and calling out works but i cant seem to get the inbound route to register, |
| 15:00.10 | mathewjenkinson | calling now |
| 15:00.24 | *** join/#asterisk anonymouz666 (n=anonymou@200.218.193.6) |
| 15:00.38 | mathewjenkinson | line just registers as blank |
| 15:00.43 | jhiver | huh? I saw called ID '1234' |
| 15:01.01 | jhiver | so |
| 15:01.05 | jhiver | you are using a SIP provider |
| 15:01.07 | boiled_fetuccini | hate jumping in and asking away... but I guess it cannot be helped. anyone has any experience with the asterisk appliance? |
| 15:01.14 | jhiver | and you cannot get inbound to work |
| 15:01.18 | jhiver | is that it? |
| 15:01.27 | mathewjenkinson | ya, cant get inbound to work |
| 15:01.38 | mathewjenkinson | so im assuming that ive missed a bit somewhere |
| 15:01.58 | jhiver | well... if you have a static IP you can ask your SIP provider to just send to this IP |
| 15:02.03 | jhiver | it's by far the easiest |
| 15:02.24 | jhiver | then you don't need to worry about registrations |
| 15:02.32 | mathewjenkinson | i didnt know that |
| 15:02.36 | mathewjenkinson | i have a static, |
| 15:02.47 | jhiver | ok we're gonna do a test |
| 15:03.39 | mathewjenkinson | go for it |
| 15:12.30 | jhiver | ok well it looks like your caller id was '1234' that doesnt' help |
| 15:12.35 | jhiver | can somebody else test plz? |
| 15:13.01 | jhiver | call +262 262 358 298 <--- only rings, so there is no charge |
| 15:15.03 | mvanbaak | ringing |
| 15:15.21 | mvanbaak | and ended call |
| 15:16.59 | jhiver | ok, this time i had '1325' |
| 15:17.08 | mvanbaak | meh |
| 15:17.09 | jhiver | my guess is that i need to go shout on france telecom :) |
| 15:17.12 | mvanbaak | that's not my number |
| 15:17.24 | jhiver | it works for local + national |
| 15:17.36 | jhiver | but i have strange stuff for overseas |
| 15:17.43 | mvanbaak | this is TDM ? |
| 15:17.45 | jhiver | unless there is a config issue with the mediant, i'll check |
| 15:17.46 | jhiver | yes |
| 15:17.48 | jhiver | PRI |
| 15:17.49 | jhiver | thx |
| 15:18.11 | jhiver | actually |
| 15:18.17 | jhiver | i'm going to look at the mediant's logs |
| 15:18.19 | jhiver | one sec |
| 15:18.36 | mvanbaak | look at pridialplan and internationalprefix |
| 15:20.06 | jhiver | ok i've activated the log |
| 15:20.10 | *** join/#asterisk geist- (i=geist@em2008.sports-licensing.ch) |
| 15:20.11 | jhiver | can you try again please? |
| 15:20.14 | geist- | hello |
| 15:20.16 | mvanbaak | sure |
| 15:20.29 | geist- | i have a question about setting the outgoing caller id |
| 15:20.32 | mvanbaak | there |
| 15:20.54 | jhiver | ok |
| 15:20.56 | jhiver | it's clear |
| 15:20.58 | jhiver | pstn recv <-- INCOMING_CALL (src: dst:262358298 redirect:) Trunk:2 Conn:255 BChannel:28 |
| 15:21.11 | mvanbaak | meh |
| 15:21.12 | jhiver | there is no CLI for inbound calls from overseas, apparently |
| 15:21.26 | mvanbaak | let me try with another provider |
| 15:21.31 | jhiver | it may be that your telco is routing gray to my island :) |
| 15:21.41 | jhiver | wait |
| 15:22.03 | geist- | exten => _X.,1,Set(CALLERID(name)=johne doe) |
| 15:22.03 | geist- | exten => _X.,2,Set(CALLERID(num)=012345679) |
| 15:22.04 | geist- | exten => _X.,3,Set(CALLERID(all)=john doe <0123456789>) |
| 15:22.08 | *** part/#asterisk tuxfoo (n=tuxfoo@pool-72-65-149-192.chrlwv.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:22.09 | geist- | whats wrong with this rules? |
| 15:22.19 | jhiver | can you try with your POTS telco? |
| 15:22.23 | jhiver | see what happens? |
| 15:22.25 | mvanbaak | geist-: you can remove step 3 |
| 15:22.32 | mvanbaak | jhiver: I dont have a pots line here |
| 15:22.42 | jhiver | no cell phone? |
| 15:22.47 | mvanbaak | that I have |
| 15:22.47 | [TK]D-Fender | geist-, nothing inherently. Are you sure the problem is with those lines? |
| 15:22.50 | geist- | mvanbaak : ok thanks, but ive tried all. it still doesnt set the callerid. |
| 15:22.54 | jhiver | can u try plz? |
| 15:23.08 | [TK]D-Fender | geist-, why don't you show us your full attempt including where it fails. |
| 15:23.33 | geist- | calling works, its just the callerid wont get set |
| 15:23.59 | mvanbaak | there you go |
| 15:24.05 | jhiver | same :) |
| 15:24.06 | [TK]D-Fender | geist-, PASTEBIN the complete call attempt and show us |
| 15:24.27 | mvanbaak | t-mobile is my cell provider |
| 15:24.31 | jhiver | 16362392452622000164217 ??? |
| 15:24.50 | mvanbaak | erm |
| 15:24.51 | mvanbaak | no |
| 15:25.04 | mvanbaak | 06427244XX |
| 15:25.17 | mvanbaak | replace that 0 with +31 |
| 15:25.28 | mvanbaak | and the XX is for privacy reasons ;) |
| 15:25.41 | jhiver | searching 427244 in the log files yields nothing |
| 15:25.48 | *** join/#asterisk PepOSX (n=angeldav@190.72.132.46) |
| 15:25.51 | jhiver | definitely a problem with FT i think |
| 15:26.35 | *** join/#asterisk AndyGraybeal (n=andy@node204.36.251.72.1dial.com) |
| 15:26.40 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 15:26.41 | jbot | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 15:26.52 | jhiver | ok |
| 15:26.53 | jhiver | thanks :) |
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| 15:31.17 | geist- | http://pastebin.ca/898695 |
| 15:31.32 | geist- | this is my sip and extensions.conf |
| 15:32.39 | Greek-Boy | which variable is closest to channel type? |
| 15:34.38 | Greek-Boy | i want to use a gotoif and meet the condition that the channel type is zap, any zap channel... |
| 15:36.30 | tzafrir | Greek-Boy, use CHANNEL, and use the function CUT |
| 15:37.31 | Greek-Boy | alright. thanks. |
| 15:37.43 | tzafrir | or even simpler: ${CHANNEL:0:3} or something similar |
| 15:38.39 | [TK]D-Fender | geist-, Who is your provider? |
| 15:39.00 | Greek-Boy | yes but in my case the same extension(or caller ID) can come in as SIP or ZAP. |
| 15:39.25 | Greek-Boy | tzafrir: so should I use ${CHANNEL:0:3} and function CUT? |
| 15:40.13 | geist- | geotel |
| 15:40.26 | geist- | im working for them, why? |
| 15:40.39 | tzafrir | Just ${CHANNEL:0:3} . Not sure 0 and 3 are the right numbers |
| 15:40.45 | mvanbaak | Greek-Boy: ${CHANNEL:0:3} will return ZAP or SIP |
| 15:41.24 | Greek-Boy | yes it will return ZAP or SIP but I need to jump to a different priority if its ZAP and a different one if its SIP. |
| 15:42.30 | mvanbaak | GotoIf($["${CHANNEL:0:3}" == "Zap"]?zap:sip) |
| 15:42.31 | tzafrir | GotoIf? |
| 15:42.34 | mvanbaak | something like that |
| 15:43.49 | Corydon76-dig | Or GotoIf($[${CUT(CHANNEL,/,1)} = Zap]?zap:sip) |
| 15:43.51 | Greek-Boy | how about |
| 15:43.52 | Greek-Boy | GotoIf($[$["${CHANNEL:0:3}" = "SIP"] | $["${CHANNEL:0:3}" = "ZAP"] |
| 15:44.09 | Greek-Boy | oops |
| 15:44.12 | Greek-Boy | nah, that wont work |
| 15:44.54 | geist- | do i also need to set the outgoing callerid with the sip.conf somewhere? |
| 15:44.57 | mvanbaak | Corydon76-dig: did you see my remarks about the hint stuff you suggested me ? |
| 15:45.05 | tzafrir | It's "Zap", not "ZAP" . OR at least should be |
| 15:46.09 | Corydon76-dig | mvanbaak: Yep, no idea, sorry |
| 15:46.13 | mvanbaak | ok |
| 15:46.18 | mvanbaak | I think I'll just go for: |
| 15:46.40 | mvanbaak | exten => _3XX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}) |
| 15:46.56 | mvanbaak | exten => _3XX,2,Macro(dundilookup) |
| 15:47.34 | Corydon76-dig | mvanbaak: You could give it a really short timeout |
| 15:48.07 | Greek-Boy | actually, it looks like my line will work because it needs either one. |
| 15:48.20 | mvanbaak | well, Dial to a device that is not registered locally is returning almost imediatelly |
| 15:48.27 | mvanbaak | so it will work |
| 15:48.40 | Greek-Boy | what would I change in that line to make the condition require both variables? |
| 15:48.42 | mvanbaak | and my qualify is set to 50 |
| 15:48.59 | JT | Greek-Boy: sorry for the lag... but wanting to use kannel :) |
| 15:49.14 | mvanbaak | that's fast enough for me. It takes people around 5 minutes to walk from DECT location 1 to DECT location 2 |
| 15:50.19 | mvanbaak | everything is better that what's there now |
| 15:50.46 | Greek-Boy | np JT. great. are you going to use it as a smsc? |
| 15:50.50 | mvanbaak | Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}&IAX2/location2/${EXTEN}&IAX2/location3/${EXTEN}) |
| 15:51.11 | JT | Greek-Boy: yeah, as soon as i work out the best way to get wholesale sms delivered to me :) |
| 15:51.14 | mvanbaak | it works,...... but it just looks ugly to me |
| 15:51.24 | *** join/#asterisk Maliuta (n=nikolai@kiev.lusan.id.au) |
| 15:52.38 | JT | Greek-Boy: anyway, off to bed, will chat another time about it |
| 15:52.59 | anonymouz666 | Corydon76-dig: From what version we don't need to use " " anymore on GotoIf? |
| 15:53.22 | mvanbaak | 1.0 or something |
| 15:53.33 | anonymouz666 | no |
| 15:53.48 | anonymouz666 | version 1.2 I need to quote everything |
| 15:54.01 | Corydon76-dig | anonymouz666: you've never needed to use quotes unless there was a possibility that something would be BLANK |
| 15:54.03 | mvanbaak | I use the "" to make sure it's a string. that way you can check with empty results |
| 15:54.19 | Corydon76-dig | and you did it only to prevent a blank |
| 15:54.24 | mvanbaak | indeed |
| 15:54.34 | Corydon76-dig | You can also prefix with a 0 and it will do the same thing |
| 15:54.41 | mvanbaak | uhhuh |
| 15:55.00 | anonymouz666 | understood |
| 15:55.07 | mvanbaak | GotoIf($["x${blaat}" != "x"] |
| 15:55.11 | mvanbaak | that's what I use |
| 15:55.23 | Greek-Boy | Corydon76-dig: how do I make a GotoIf require multiple variables to be met? |
| 15:55.26 | Corydon76-dig | and CHANNEL is guaranteed to NEVER be blank |
| 15:55.45 | mvanbaak | Greek-Boy: && |
| 15:55.50 | Corydon76-dig | Greek-Boy: Instead of |, use & |
| 15:55.58 | Greek-Boy | JT: enjoy your sleep. i'm sure you've seen http://www.bayhamsystems.com/asterisk.html but if you haven't, take a look at it. |
| 15:55.59 | anonymouz666 | && or & |
| 15:56.03 | anonymouz666 | || or | |
| 15:56.04 | anonymouz666 | ? |
| 15:56.12 | mvanbaak | I think both can be used |
| 15:56.26 | Greek-Boy | what is the difference between && and & ? |
| 15:56.45 | Corydon76-dig | The single form is the original, but murf let both work |
| 15:57.24 | mvanbaak | read this: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+Expressions |
| 15:57.43 | Greek-Boy | i see |
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| 16:02.43 | andrewn | is AEL useable in 1.4.18? since I'm rebuilding things I'm trying to use it |
| 16:06.49 | tzafrir | Should be |
| 16:07.50 | andrewn | hm. i'm switch()'ing on ${EXTEN:2:3} to parse the area code, setting my caller ID depending on if I'm dialing Canada or not, but when I do Dial on ${EXTEN} later it places the pattern in there instead of the actual exdtension dialed |
| 16:08.19 | andrewn | -- Executing [_1NXXNXXXXXX@internal:3] Dial("SIP/700-8375e000", "SIP/_1NXXNXXXXXX@vitel-outbound") in new stack |
| 16:08.21 | andrewn | lol |
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| 16:23.01 | Greek-Boy | SetGlobalVar has been depreceted right? |
| 16:23.13 | Greek-Boy | what should I use in its place? |
| 16:23.31 | Corydon76-dig | Set(GLOBAL(foo)=bar) |
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| 16:23.57 | Greek-Boy | right |
| 16:23.58 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
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| 16:28.46 | Corydon76-dig | Greek-Boy: the introduction of the GLOBAL func means that now you can access a global variable, even when a channel variable of the same name exists |
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| 16:52.21 | Greek-Boy | How do I set GotoIf to only exectute one priority? in other words to go the priority i want it to go to without going to the next priority after that. |
| 16:52.54 | riddlebox | do you think a 1.5ghz machine with 512mb ram will support 8 trunks, with about 10-20 extensions? |
| 16:53.01 | JunK-Y | and what about that "only" priority? hangup? |
| 16:53.31 | Greek-Boy | lol riddlebox |
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| 16:54.04 | Corydon76-dig | Greek-Boy: you're looking for GosubIf |
| 16:54.36 | Corydon76-dig | Greek-Boy: just put a Return at the next priority and it'll come back to where you were, which is what you wanted, correct? |
| 16:55.00 | JunK-Y | or redirect it to at priority like 999, then just hangup() ? |
| 16:55.25 | Greek-Boy | i'll paste some stuff shortly... |
| 16:55.56 | riddlebox | Greek-Boy, do you think it will be able to handle it? |
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| 17:00.41 | Greek-Boy | riddlebox are u doing transcoding? |
| 17:00.51 | riddlebox | nope |
| 17:02.46 | Corydon76-dig | It should handle it fine, then |
| 17:03.02 | anonymouz666 | Corydon76-dig: are you at Digium today? |
| 17:03.28 | Corydon76-dig | That depends on what you mean by 'at digium' |
| 17:03.37 | Corydon76-dig | I am at my desk |
| 17:04.20 | Corydon76-dig | but I am not in Huntsville |
| 17:06.43 | anonymouz666 | I thought that -dig == Huntsville |
| 17:07.49 | Corydon76-dig | Nope |
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| 17:19.11 | fskrotzki_ | ~book |
| 17:19.12 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 17:20.41 | Greek-Boy | what is the command for storing user feedback digits? |
| 17:25.24 | jhiver | Background or something? |
| 17:27.24 | Greek-Boy | background plays sound |
| 17:27.40 | Greek-Boy | while waiting for an extension |
| 17:28.01 | Greek-Boy | i want to capture users input, key stroke and store them into a variable |
| 17:30.06 | anonymouz666 | read() |
| 17:31.18 | drmessano | G726 in asterisk is G726-32? |
| 17:32.19 | RoyK | drmessano: unless someone has done something recently, yes |
| 17:33.04 | drmessano | I'm reading g726 in 1.2 and 1.4 is G726-32.. and that the 1.2 implementation was "flawed", and exists in 1.4 as g726aal2 |
| 17:33.46 | drmessano | I read something further into the "flawed" bit, as meaning a "slightly different implementation" |
| 17:33.53 | drmessano | But that was a while back. |
| 17:34.42 | jhiver | hi, how can i check wether or not the channel is hangup from within a AGI script? |
| 17:34.56 | jhiver | well, a DeadAGI script to be more accurate |
| 17:35.37 | RoyK | afaik DeadAGI isn't called until the channel is already hung up |
| 17:36.55 | jhiver | well, that's not how astcc.agi operates :) |
| 17:37.39 | Corydon76-dig | Then it's operating improperly |
| 17:37.47 | Greek-Boy | anonymouz666: read() reads a variable. I want to capture the dtmf tones and put them into a variable. |
| 17:37.54 | jhiver | i'm trying to finish off a custom calling card solution but i have just this one issue, i mean it all works ok but there are a couple of issues |
| 17:38.17 | jhiver | one of them is that if I use AGI() then i don't see a way of getting proper CDR data for the call... any ideas? |
| 17:38.18 | Corydon76-dig | jhiver: the right thing to do is run an AGI, then intercept the HUP signal |
| 17:38.35 | jhiver | Corydon76-dig, will this work with fastagi? |
| 17:38.40 | Corydon76-dig | Nope |
| 17:38.41 | anonymouz666 | Greek-Boy: you want Read(), again |
| 17:38.50 | jhiver | then i have to find a way around :) |
| 17:39.00 | Corydon76-dig | fastagi doesn't have a method for discovering a hangup |
| 17:39.15 | Corydon76-dig | other than attempt to do something like playback and have it fail |
| 17:39.26 | jhiver | nyeah that's ugly |
| 17:39.38 | Corydon76-dig | Those are your options |
| 17:39.41 | jhiver | so, how can i get proper CDR info? |
| 17:40.02 | Corydon76-dig | Uh, what info precisely |
| 17:40.09 | jhiver | well |
| 17:40.17 | jhiver | i need to bill the card users right? |
| 17:40.25 | Greek-Boy | my apologies anonymouz666 |
| 17:41.01 | jhiver | but asterisk does not write the information which interests me in the CDRs... it writes the caller id (which is the phone booth the user is calling from) when i'm interested in the card serial / pin code |
| 17:41.22 | jhiver | then the callee is the card's access number which is of no interest (i need the number which the user dialed) |
| 17:41.27 | drmessano | does g726nonstandard=yes exist? or is it allow=g726 vs allow=g726aal2 ? |
| 17:41.42 | jhiver | and finally the time answered takes into account all the voice prompts which is not right either |
| 17:41.49 | jhiver | how would you go about it? |
| 17:42.00 | Corydon76-dig | jhiver: sounds like you'd be interested in cdr_adaptive_odbc |
| 17:42.13 | jhiver | because with AGI(), as soon as the channel is hungup that's it, you're done |
| 17:42.22 | Corydon76-dig | so you can create arbitrary CDR columns in your database |
| 17:42.49 | jhiver | i'd be quite happy if all this info was stuff in one field i can parse as soon as the call is over |
| 17:42.52 | Corydon76-dig | So before the call starts, you do Set(CDR(cardno)=...) |
| 17:43.00 | jhiver | yes but |
| 17:43.04 | anonymouz666 | Corydon76-dig: this is amazing. using cdr_mysql as I'am using today requires that you modify the source code if you wanna store something different |
| 17:43.05 | jhiver | how about the Answered time? |
| 17:43.19 | Corydon76-dig | That's part of the standard CDR info |
| 17:43.32 | Corydon76-dig | anonymouz666: not in addons-trunk |
| 17:43.44 | jhiver | no because it takes into account all the voice prompts like 'please enter your pin' and such |
| 17:43.47 | jhiver | i don't want to bill that! |
| 17:44.00 | Corydon76-dig | jhiver: ResetCDR() |
| 17:44.26 | Corydon76-dig | or ForkCDR(), your choice |
| 17:44.38 | anonymouz666 | I am still using pretty old stuff. I wanna rewrite all my dialplan switching from app_mysql to func_odbc and use cdr_adaptive |
| 17:45.33 | jhiver | and is there a way i can change the EXISTING CDR fields? |
| 17:45.50 | jhiver | because replacing the caller id with the pin code would be fine |
| 17:45.52 | Corydon76-dig | jhiver: why change the existing fields, when you can add your own custom ones? |
| 17:46.02 | jhiver | because they are of no use to me? |
| 17:46.09 | jhiver | why have all the extra info? |
| 17:46.13 | jhiver | the access number won't change |
| 17:46.14 | Corydon76-dig | jhiver: so leave them out of the database table |
| 17:46.35 | Corydon76-dig | You really should look at adaptive |
| 17:47.04 | jhiver | okay |
| 17:47.14 | Corydon76-dig | It's massively useful and does a lot of what people would like CDRs to do |
| 17:47.35 | Corydon76-dig | You can add columns, delete columns, whatever you want |
| 17:47.57 | Corydon76-dig | You can remap standard field names to alternative column names |
| 17:48.14 | Corydon76-dig | and you can log to multiple databases |
| 17:48.28 | jhiver | the only stuff i'm not happy about is relying on a database, i've figured out the less i use them the less stuff tends to crash :) |
| 17:48.36 | Corydon76-dig | You can even filter to which database which records go based upon a certain CDR variable |
| 17:48.45 | jhiver | like 'ooh mysql server has gone away' aaaarrrgh! |
| 17:49.01 | Corydon76-dig | The ODBC stuff is very fault tolerant now |
| 17:49.59 | Corydon76-dig | and there are branches to make it even more tolerant |
| 17:50.29 | Corydon76-dig | but yes, I agree, when the database goes down, there are problems. You just have to make sure the database doesn't go down, right? |
| 17:50.37 | jhiver | huh :) |
| 17:50.54 | Corydon76-dig | and maybe you should be using Postgres, not MySQL |
| 17:50.56 | jhiver | i think with reiserfs, you can do quite a lot without them basically |
| 17:51.05 | jhiver | it's not that much more code |
| 17:51.18 | jhiver | and it doesn't crash nearly as much |
| 17:51.28 | Corydon76-dig | jhiver: Uh, ReiserFS? |
| 17:51.39 | Corydon76-dig | The FS without a future? |
| 17:51.44 | jhiver | well |
| 17:52.02 | jhiver | you can have lots of files in a directory and it's not a problem |
| 17:52.15 | jhiver | which is when you want to do stuff WITHOUT database, is good :) |
| 17:52.25 | jhiver | but we're drifting from the point :) |
| 17:52.34 | jhiver | so |
| 17:52.41 | Corydon76-dig | Um, why would you need lots of files in a directory for CDRs? |
| 17:52.42 | jhiver | in order to have useful CDRs for billing |
| 17:52.50 | jhiver | I MUST have a database |
| 17:52.59 | jhiver | no, lots of files for 1 calling card = 1 file |
| 17:52.59 | Corydon76-dig | Right |
| 17:53.10 | jhiver | well, that blows :) |
| 17:53.18 | kyron | Q: Anyone here aver had experience with `Belkin F1PG111EN VoIP ATA 1FXS+1 FXO` with *? Positive/negative? This would be for home use |
| 17:53.36 | Corydon76-dig | Uh, I wouldn't do that even if I had to use a filesystem. I'd use a Berkeley DB |
| 17:53.49 | jhiver | no no no |
| 17:54.01 | jhiver | how do you edit a berkeley db database? |
| 17:54.06 | jhiver | ANSWER: you don't |
| 17:54.10 | Corydon76-dig | With a database package |
| 17:54.15 | jhiver | files you can edit, grep, sort, script |
| 17:54.18 | jhiver | i like 'em |
| 17:54.23 | Corydon76-dig | or SQLite |
| 17:54.24 | jhiver | for example, maildir |
| 17:54.29 | jhiver | is a brilliant example |
| 17:54.42 | jhiver | of what you can do with a properly thought out file system |
| 17:54.44 | Corydon76-dig | jhiver: you're a one-man shop, aren't you? |
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| 17:55.07 | jhiver | ad hominem attacks will not help me sort out my CDR issues :) |
| 17:55.14 | Greek-Boy | Corydon76-dig: please have a look at http://pastebin.com/d11f7c9df |
| 17:55.20 | Corydon76-dig | The main problem there is concurrency |
| 17:55.39 | jhiver | yes of course i know about this issue |
| 17:55.43 | Greek-Boy | Corydon76-dig: I am trying to achieve extension mobility. |
| 17:55.49 | jhiver | you need to think about it from the start |
| 17:55.59 | jhiver | (which maildir does :)) |
| 17:56.29 | Greek-Boy | Corydon76-dig: The zap channels are beceause we have a PRI to a mobile company and route all calls through our PBX. |
| 17:57.06 | Corydon76-dig | jhiver: just use a database |
| 17:58.06 | Corydon76-dig | Greek-Boy: I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish |
| 17:58.18 | jhiver | nah, i like databases for querying and reporting (and use them daily for that purpose) |
| 17:58.26 | jhiver | but for "almost" realtime stuff |
| 17:58.30 | jhiver | i think they suck |
| 17:59.03 | Corydon76-dig | Well, you're entitled to your opinion |
| 17:59.05 | jhiver | on our switch i used to use a database and ran into lots of issues with them crashing with the sheer amounts of CDRs being pushed |
| 17:59.23 | jhiver | processing the CDRs daily for insertion is fine |
| 17:59.39 | Corydon76-dig | What database? |
| 17:59.49 | jhiver | but doing constant realtime writes + large queries = nightmare |
| 18:00.41 | jhiver | tried MySQL + MyISAM and then the same with InnoDB (which helped for a while but not much)... I also gave a try with PostGres but the load on the box went bananas |
| 18:01.02 | Corydon76-dig | Then use a different machine for the database |
| 18:01.18 | jhiver | well, i can do as well with ONE machine, why the extra expense? :) |
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| 18:01.32 | Corydon76-dig | Apparently you don't need our help, then |
| 18:01.58 | jhiver | i do for my AGI issues, the problem is databases apparently :) |
| 18:02.12 | Corydon76-dig | You can take what we suggest or not, but don't say that it's adequate already, because if you're asking, it most certainly is not |
| 18:02.15 | jhiver | i'm just reluctant on using them for realtime operation because of my past experiences |
| 18:02.29 | jhiver | i understand your point |
| 18:02.52 | jhiver | i'm just trying to see if there's other options which would be more suitable is all |
| 18:03.02 | jhiver | no offense, i appreciate your advice |
| 18:04.07 | Corydon76-dig | Well, you could use res_config_curl to do realtime queries on a slave database... let another machine manage the query load among several slaves or even delay writes |
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| 18:04.56 | Corydon76-dig | I'm in the middle of teaching a class, but the class project will be writing cdr_curl |
| 18:05.33 | JerJer | dood! |
| 18:05.43 | Corydon76-dig | Again, letting a remote maching decide how to write CDRs |
| 18:05.44 | anonymouz666 | JerJer is in tha house |
| 18:05.57 | anonymouz666 | Corydon76-dig: how do I join this class? |
| 18:06.03 | JerJer | i started writing cdr_curl like last week and gave up when i got to attempting to support SSL :( |
| 18:06.05 | Corydon76-dig | anonymouz666: you can't |
| 18:06.10 | Greek-Boy | Corydon76-dig: when a user dials 2222 on a IAX2 interface from another asterisk box with specific caller id, asterisk will automatically set a global variable that we always use to dial the users extension. We already know what to set the variable to because we know how to reach the user through the same IAX2 route. |
| 18:06.51 | anonymouz666 | JerJer: hard? |
| 18:07.14 | Greek-Boy | Corydon76-dig: when a user dials 2222 from a sip interface on the same asterisk box, we ask him for an extension number and password and we set the global variable to the username of the phone he is phoning from. |
| 18:07.21 | JerJer | hard enough to put me over the time I had allocated |
| 18:07.35 | Greek-Boy | Corydon76-dig: so now when we dial the user it goes to that phone. we have given the user the ability to roam around. |
| 18:08.12 | Greek-Boy | Corydon76-dig: i made a mistake on that dialplan i pasted. the two zap entries (first two lines) should be IAX2 |
| 18:09.28 | Corydon76-dig | anonymouz666: at some point, Digium may be offering a developer training class |
| 18:10.19 | anonymouz666 | this is nice, and then I will be ready to write chan_sip from scratch ;-) |
| 18:10.33 | Corydon76-dig | Highly doubtful |
| 18:10.43 | JerJer | chan_sip using nokia's sip stack |
| 18:10.53 | Corydon76-dig | We aren't getting into writing core code, only peripheral code |
| 18:10.59 | anonymouz666 | JerJer: and that will be called chan_sofia |
| 18:11.09 | JerJer | yup |
| 18:11.50 | oej_ | chan_sofia_antipolis would be even better :-) |
| 18:11.54 | anonymouz666 | I am curious to know how the audio core works. it's something that I wanna learn. |
| 18:13.21 | anonymouz666 | Corydon76-dig, are you familiar with chan_zap code? |
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| 18:13.25 | JerJer | i have had two separate companies approach me about writing a sofia based SIP channel for Asterisk |
| 18:13.32 | Greek-Boy | Corydon76-dig: I hope this is clearer. The first one had some errors. http://pastebin.com/d72079cd5 |
| 18:13.49 | Greek-Boy | maybe someone else can also take a look at my post and see if i'm on the right track? |
| 18:14.10 | JerJer | i told them both 1) I couldn't guarantee I could pull it off my myself 2) I couldn't gauarantee it would fix any of their problems |
| 18:14.31 | anonymouz666 | JerJer: callweaver people are also working on this |
| 18:14.56 | JerJer | perhaps one of those companies are the underlying funding source - hmmm |
| 18:15.00 | JerJer | they were motivated |
| 18:15.06 | mvanbaak | Corydon76-dig: the 'try Dial first and query dundi after that' way works fine |
| 18:15.31 | mvanbaak | ChanIsAvail and hints are seriously borked in 1.2 |
| 18:16.11 | mvanbaak | I'll try the chanisavail method here at home later this week (running trunk on 3 boxen) |
| 18:19.44 | Greek-Boy | mvanbaak can u please check my pastebin post and see if it makes any sense? |
| 18:22.43 | anonymouz666 | you don't need to use playback before read |
| 18:22.59 | anonymouz666 | you can use your prompt inside read() |
| 18:23.09 | anonymouz666 | it's the second arg, I think |
| 18:23.09 | mvanbaak | anonymouz666: he's using 2 files |
| 18:23.19 | mvanbaak | so playback is the way I would do it as well |
| 18:23.30 | mvanbaak | but it's wrong |
| 18:23.36 | mvanbaak | exten => 2222,2,GotoIf($[$["${CHANNEL:0:3}" = "IAX2"] && $["${CALLERIDNUM}" = "771"]?shiftiax771,1) |
| 18:23.37 | Greek-Boy | alright |
| 18:23.42 | mvanbaak | IAX2 = 4 chars |
| 18:23.44 | mvanbaak | not 3 |
| 18:23.56 | mvanbaak | exten => 2222,2,GotoIf($[$["${CHANNEL:0:4}" = "IAX2"] && $["${CALLERIDNUM}" = "771"]?shiftiax771,1) |
| 18:24.00 | mvanbaak | that's the way to go |
| 18:24.06 | Greek-Boy | yeah forgot about that |
| 18:24.12 | Greek-Boy | i'll fix that |
| 18:24.13 | mvanbaak | and ${CALLERIDNUM} is deprecated |
| 18:24.22 | mvanbaak | use ${CALLERID(num)} |
| 18:24.29 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 18:24.51 | styelz | missing a ] |
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| 18:25.05 | styelz | ]]? |
| 18:25.06 | Greek-Boy | i'll polish it all up now |
| 18:25.07 | mvanbaak | that too |
| 18:25.17 | Greek-Boy | but do u guys think the concept will work |
| 18:25.22 | Greek-Boy | for roaming users |
| 18:25.31 | msolomos | hi greek boy |
| 18:26.08 | mvanbaak | hhmm |
| 18:26.17 | Greek-Boy | hi msolomos |
| 18:26.33 | mvanbaak | you mean: you have a couple of phones and want them to be able to 'login' to asterisk from any phone ? |
| 18:27.20 | Greek-Boy | i want the users to be able to roam on some phones |
| 18:27.58 | Greek-Boy | i will create a standard macro that includes voicemail, etc. |
| 18:28.16 | mvanbaak | we use AgentCallBackLogin for that, but we need to rewrite it as well because that function is deprecated |
| 18:30.18 | Greek-Boy | but I can still use it until 1.6 ? |
| 18:30.41 | mvanbaak | dont know. the boxen where we use it are 1.0 |
| 18:31.02 | mvanbaak | the dialplan you wrote there is ready for the future |
| 18:31.08 | mvanbaak | mine isn't ;) |
| 18:31.35 | Greek-Boy | and yours is tons bigger :P |
| 18:31.47 | mvanbaak | erm, yes |
| 18:31.59 | mvanbaak | around 3500 lines |
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| 18:32.43 | Greek-Boy | Another thing that I wasn't sure about AgentCallBackLogin is whether or not the phone will still ring when you dial its usual extension when an agent is logged in? |
| 18:32.56 | mvanbaak | it will |
| 18:33.23 | Greek-Boy | hmmmm |
| 18:33.28 | mvanbaak | I'm going to redo the setup with the use of the astdb |
| 18:33.47 | mvanbaak | maybe even func_odbc so I can share the logged in stuff on a clustered enviroment |
| 18:34.04 | Greek-Boy | do you think I should stick to my dial plan? |
| 18:34.12 | mvanbaak | it looks ok to me |
| 18:34.44 | Greek-Boy | I can add all the users as priorities. Not a nice efficient way of doing it but it won't be more than 50 users or so |
| 18:34.48 | mvanbaak | if you fix the things styelz and me found |
| 18:34.58 | Greek-Boy | fixed those already |
| 18:38.23 | mvanbaak | hhmm |
| 18:38.28 | mvanbaak | know what would be cool? |
| 18:38.34 | mvanbaak | VideoOnHold |
| 18:39.41 | mvanbaak | caller with videophone calls me, I put them on hold and they see my video on there phone |
| 18:40.41 | drmessano | HA |
| 18:40.45 | drmessano | Unless they can read lips |
| 18:40.56 | drmessano | "I'm gonna blow this guy off, hes a moron" |
| 18:41.08 | mvanbaak | lol |
| 18:41.26 | mvanbaak | broadcast my commercial to them while they are in the queue |
| 18:43.01 | *** join/#asterisk badcfe (i=christia@nothing.beats.deathporn.com) |
| 18:43.55 | JerJer | everyone go to google, type in pbx and click on the asterisk.org entry - it used to be number 1 |
| 18:45.13 | mvanbaak | done from 3 different ip's |
| 18:45.18 | JerJer | sweet |
| 18:46.16 | JerJer | i've given asterisk.org (and inside pages as well) about 200 backlinks in the past few days - gonna keep drip feeding them for a while |
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| 18:52.28 | drmessano | Asterisk Wikipedia is second, and asterisk.org is fourth.. cool |
| 18:52.34 | lmadsen | JerJer: ok, done. I clicked on Fonality |
| 18:52.58 | JerJer | good - we need some click dispersion |
| 18:53.01 | lmadsen | :D |
| 18:53.09 | lmadsen | clicked on asterisk.org... w00t |
| 18:53.16 | lmadsen | from google.ca, what? |
| 18:53.21 | JerJer | sure |
| 18:53.29 | JerJer | goog is one huge black box |
| 18:53.40 | lmadsen | auto redirects to .ca |
| 18:53.47 | JerJer | with many unlabeled knobs |
| 18:53.58 | JerJer | yeah geo-ip detection |
| 18:53.58 | drmessano | JerJer.. Fonality should show up under spyware too |
| 18:54.07 | drmessano | lol |
| 18:54.08 | JerJer | drmessano: lets look |
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| 18:54.32 | drmessano | crap |
| 18:54.45 | JerJer | i have a tool that will examine the first 1000 results of goog |
| 18:55.00 | JerJer | know any trusted wikipedia editors ? |
| 18:55.14 | JerJer | one link to fonality.com from that page and fonality would be rockin :) |
| 18:55.21 | drmessano | ha |
| 18:55.34 | drmessano | "phones home" doesn't work either |
| 18:55.39 | JerJer | anyone complained to the ftc ???? |
| 18:55.40 | lmadsen | uhhh... don't think we want that :) |
| 18:55.42 | JerJer | they are up there |
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| 19:12.08 | the_5th_wheel | How stable is the new asterisk? |
| 19:13.14 | the_5th_wheel | (1.4) |
| 19:13.23 | drmessano | it's not bad |
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| 19:13.54 | drmessano | Issues here and there, but tons of fixes to go with them.. |
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| 19:14.41 | ManxPower | the_5th_wheel: Earlier 1.4 releases were pretty buggy for some specific things, but recent releases seem to be very stable for most people. |
| 19:15.07 | the_5th_wheel | im using 1.2.10-BRIstuffed-0.3.0-PRE-1s atm |
| 19:15.08 | drmessano | Seems like every few versions theres a big hump that |
| 19:15.13 | drmessano | Seems like every few versions theres a big hump that's gotten over |
| 19:15.39 | the_5th_wheel | is it worth for me to upgrade? |
| 19:15.44 | drmessano | As in.. every few releases, theres some major improvement somewhere |
| 19:16.28 | drmessano | I'm not sure about BRIstuffed + 1.4 |
| 19:16.44 | ManxPower | the_5th_wheel: I'm planning on skipping 1.4 all together and going to 1.6 when it becomes stable. |
| 19:17.07 | ManxPower | Most of the changes that *I* wanted in 1.2 did not happen until 1.6 |
| 19:17.16 | ManxPower | ..er... that I wanted in 1.4 |
| 19:19.09 | the_5th_wheel | how long is the wait to 1.6? |
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| 19:19.31 | ManxPower | the_5th_wheel: I plan on at leat 6 months |
| 19:19.37 | ManxPower | 1.6 beta is out now. |
| 19:20.38 | the_5th_wheel | if i do a new install,should i use 1.4.18? |
| 19:21.30 | hi365_m | im having this strange queue issue |
| 19:21.51 | hi365_m | basicly, although im using ringall, it only rings a couple of extensions at a time |
| 19:22.23 | hi365_m | asterisk is 1.2.26 |
| 19:26.32 | hax | for somebody running debian etch, what version would you guys recommend? |
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| 19:32.19 | Corydon76-dig | ManxPower: how many of those changes did you contribute? |
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| 19:36.31 | jameswf-home | hmmm no mention of asterisk as the cause http://www.ktar.com/index.php?nid=49&sid=727128 |
| 19:36.36 | SomethingISOdd | hello all is there anyway to see if a call is connected or not through the cli |
| 19:37.18 | drmessano | jameswf-home, you need the FARK effect |
| 19:37.46 | timeshell | What happened to CDR in the asterisknow branch of the gui? |
| 19:37.54 | timeshell | drmessano, don't you sleep? |
| 19:37.55 | timeshell | :p |
| 19:37.56 | drmessano | "Alcatel-Lucent faces more woes in 2008. Asterisk wanted for questioning" |
| 19:38.01 | drmessano | nope |
| 19:38.10 | SomethingISOdd | anyone please |
| 19:38.24 | timeshell | sip show channels? |
| 19:38.59 | SomethingISOdd | it doesnt actually show if its connected |
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| 19:41.50 | badcfe | is it possible to have an asterisk answer DUNDi requests according to what sip users are currently registered on it? |
| 19:42.27 | badcfe | according to doc the list of published phones for answering DUNDi seems static .. |
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| 19:51.41 | EvilDeshi | anyone around that can lend a hand with asterisk realtime and getting voicemails to send to email? |
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| 19:53.14 | opius | hi |
| 19:57.47 | opius | ast_rtp_read : RTP Read error .... channel.c:3439 ast_generic_bridge: didn't get a frame for channel .. any tips on this problem? if i turn off debug i can't make a call, when debugging is on i can make the call and i see this error |
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| 20:22.02 | completely_phukt | I am trying to limit number of ports used by asterisk. I remember reading about it, but I can't find where. Please help :) |
| 20:22.20 | drmessano | rtp.conf |
| 20:22.44 | completely_phukt | drmessano: thanks |
| 20:26.08 | completely_phukt | OK, another question: I have a small call center with up 20 people calling out (using predictive auto-dialer). If I limit RTP port to 10000 - 10100, am I gonna choke them? Or do these ports just get easily reused? |
| 20:29.16 | completely_phukt | did I exceed my limit of questions? ;) |
| 20:29.45 | drmessano | Nope |
| 20:29.51 | drmessano | Theoretically, you should be fine |
| 20:30.11 | drmessano | 20 x 2 = 40 |
| 20:30.22 | drmessano | Of course, you said OUT, right? |
| 20:30.33 | completely_phukt | yea |
| 20:30.41 | drmessano | Any outside users connecting? |
| 20:30.55 | completely_phukt | there are some incoming calls, but not more than 3 at at time |
| 20:31.01 | completely_phukt | no outside users |
| 20:31.16 | drmessano | You shouldnt need any ports open unless you have devices on the outside |
| 20:31.54 | drmessano | So all this is moot, really |
| 20:32.01 | completely_phukt | well my IT guy is blocking both incoming and outgoing ports... |
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| 20:32.37 | completely_phukt | mofo... |
| 20:32.52 | completely_phukt | he doesn't like to have too many open ports |
| 20:32.58 | drmessano | So open up 5060 and 10000-11000 OUT.. nothing to bitch about there.. and you wont have to do it again later if you expand |
| 20:33.14 | completely_phukt | OK cool |
| 20:33.19 | drmessano | You dont need anything IN |
| 20:33.45 | completely_phukt | how will the incoming calls come in? |
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| 20:34.35 | drmessano | You don't need any listeners exposed to the outside |
| 20:34.49 | drmessano | Let me put it that way |
| 20:40.32 | completely_phukt | drmessano: I should still open 5060 for incoming connections, right? so the voip provider can come in on that port. |
| 20:41.01 | jameswf-home | you can use rtp.conf to narrow the rtp range |
| 20:41.52 | jameswf-home | ~buybook |
| 20:41.53 | jbot | You can buy "Asterisk the Future of Telephony" at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ so go buy it SERIOUSLY |
| 20:42.06 | lmadsen | w00t :) |
| 20:43.41 | completely_phukt | ~or-download-it-for-free |
| 20:43.46 | completely_phukt | :) |
| 20:44.35 | drmessano | Can I get it from Amazon? ;) |
| 20:45.41 | jameswf-home | th free way does not promote the authorship of future books |
| 20:47.15 | completely_phukt | too bad ;) |
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| 20:48.38 | jameswf-home | ~free |
| 20:48.39 | jbot | methinks free is stuff might take awhile to get done |
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| 20:50.53 | obnauticus | Is anyone here good with a2billing? |
| 20:50.58 | jameswf-home | whats with all this talk about open sores |
| 20:54.13 | jameswf-home | ~nowwhat |
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| 21:03.25 | jameswf-home | ~nowwhat is <reply> So you just installed asterisk and arent sure what to do now? visit http://www.a1b2c3.com/suilodge/metfun1.htm |
| 21:03.26 | jbot | jameswf-home: okay |
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| 21:06.42 | completely_phukt | my filter is blocking http://www.a1b2c3.com/suilodge/metfun1.htm with message "This page will not be displayed because it contains prohibited words or it has exceeded its tolerance of questionable words." |
| 21:07.00 | jameswf-home | lmao |
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| 21:07.23 | completely_phukt | :D |
| 21:08.05 | jameswf-home | page title is cool ways to kill yourself draw your own conclusion |
| 21:08.44 | drmessano | I just bought "The Book" |
| 21:09.20 | jameswf-home | wow you didnt already own it? |
| 21:09.46 | jameswf-home | I have it on my bookshelf for looks but use pdf cause it is searchible |
| 21:10.00 | drmessano | Nope.. |
| 21:10.18 | lmadsen | I have 10 copies on my shelf :D |
| 21:10.27 | jameswf-home | I have most of my books in digital for, |
| 21:10.34 | lmadsen | always handy |
| 21:10.49 | drmessano | lmadsen: junk those 1st edition books, I hear it's crap and out of date :) |
| 21:11.16 | lmadsen | I only have 1 copy of each language of the 1st edition on my shelf |
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| 21:11.22 | lmadsen | the 10 copies are 2nd editions |
| 21:11.48 | jameswf-home | I want a copy in hardcover with leather "bible binding" |
| 21:12.15 | lmadsen | jameswf-home: lol... that'd be cool :) |
| 21:12.59 | drmessano | I want a "books on tape" version |
| 21:13.40 | jameswf-home | read by kerry g |
| 21:13.49 | outtolunc | i want you guys to make a mp3 of you reading your parts <G> |
| 21:13.52 | jameswf-home | ooops was that out loud |
| 21:14.30 | jameswf-home | rumor has it there will be a 2nd edition of the trixbox book |
| 21:15.01 | jameswf-home | I should write a book |
| 21:15.06 | drmessano | HAH |
| 21:15.13 | drmessano | Another 160 pages of Trixbox |
| 21:15.51 | drmessano | "...featuring a preface on the value of open source by Fonality CEO Chris Lyman" |
| 21:15.52 | jameswf-home | AEL another testiment of asterisk by James Finstrom..... The stuff "the book" doesnt want you to know" |
| 21:16.14 | drmessano | ha |
| 21:16.46 | outtolunc | Asterisk DIY: 5000 things you *must* know. |
| 21:17.05 | drmessano | "101 Ways to drive an Asterisk box wild" |
| 21:17.07 | jameswf-home | Chicken soup for the asterisk admins soul |
| 21:17.34 | drmessano | "PBX's are from mars, Asterisk is from Alabama" |
| 21:17.38 | jameswf-home | The comlete idiots guide to attracting women with asterisk |
| 21:18.19 | drmessano | "I just installed Asterisk, now what?" |
| 21:18.56 | jameswf-home | ummmmmm Asterisk what the kkk doesnt want you to know? |
| 21:19.23 | outtolunc | the *other* black (as in hat) |
| 21:19.24 | drmessano | "The completely unauthorized biography of Allison Smith" |
| 21:19.28 | outtolunc | sheesh |
| 21:19.30 | drmessano | I'll take 2 |
| 21:19.33 | jameswf-home | How Obama won the election with asterisk and a predictive dialer written by ron paul |
| 21:19.39 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 21:19.55 | drmessano | "Obama your momma: Using Asterisk to win an election" |
| 21:20.20 | jameswf-home | Ron paul is so cool he looked at a console and the dialplans wrote them selves |
| 21:21.03 | drmessano | "BlackOps PBX: Why Asterisk scares the shit out of AT&T" |
| 21:21.20 | jameswf-home | The AEL book isnt written because only ron paul knows enough to write it and if he wrote it it would be larger than War and Peace |
| 21:21.37 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 21:22.15 | drmessano | "Everything you always wanted to know about Asterisk but were afraid to ask" |
| 21:22.20 | jameswf-home | If ron paul becomes president AT&T will be replaced with a small shell scipt written by ron paul |
| 21:23.07 | jameswf-home | Ron paul cant write open source software because not even chuck noris could lay eyes on such perfect code |
| 21:23.22 | drmessano | Ron Paul would put all the telecoms on one big Gigabit switch in Nebraska and tell them to suck it |
| 21:23.25 | drmessano | Interop or die |
| 21:24.03 | drmessano | Ron Paul has a CDMA iPhone |
| 21:24.07 | jameswf-home | I need to start writing the book 101 things you didnt know about ron paul |
| 21:24.26 | jameswf-home | ron paul is the "i" in i phone |
| 21:24.49 | drmessano | Ron Paul runs on Ubuntu |
| 21:25.07 | jameswf-home | ron paul delivered steve jobs and bill gates back when he was an ob/gyn |
| 21:25.15 | drmessano | LOL |
| 21:25.32 | drmessano | Ron Paul can Digg down Chris Rose |
| 21:25.39 | jameswf-home | he also delivered Steve Case but he doesnt brag about that |
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| 21:26.02 | drmessano | Ron Paul proposed to his wife with a GMAIL invite |
| 21:26.13 | jameswf-home | Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, |
| 21:26.23 | jameswf-home | <dance> Developers, Developers, Developers, </dance> |
| 21:27.01 | obnauticus | Can anyone here tell me why my call is forwarded to my provider and then nothing is happening |
| 21:27.06 | obnauticus | it's not calling any landlines or anything |
| 21:27.29 | obnauticus | i'll get more info hold on |
| 21:28.44 | obnauticus | http://pastebin.ca/899087 |
| 21:29.02 | obnauticus | The extension: exten => _9.,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN:2}@voicetrading,30,r) |
| 21:30.02 | drmessano | Ron Paul wrote a completely uncompressed 2kb codec for Asterisk that sounds better than G722. This was given to Mark Spence and is kept in a safe at Digium, only to be opened in the event of his death or nuclear war |
| 21:30.10 | obnauticus | http://pastebin.ca/899089 |
| 21:30.17 | drmessano | s/spence/spencer/ |
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| 21:34.13 | obnauticus | However, this does work: originate sip/toast application dial sip/00*****114834@voicetrading |
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| 21:42.38 | obnauticus | What is the variable for the whole number dialed after a prefix |
| 21:42.39 | obnauticus | like |
| 21:42.58 | obnauticus | ${EXTEN:1} or something like that |
| 21:48.34 | fujin | obnauticus: :1 means strip the first character |
| 21:48.39 | fujin | so 9XXX will become XXX |
| 21:48.53 | fujin | local root 2.6 exploit out |
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| 21:50.45 | pabloff | hi all |
| 21:52.56 | pabloff | to config a simple asterisk to conect 2 sip phones...what configuration files have to modify?? |
| 21:53.28 | fujin | sip.conf |
| 21:53.45 | pabloff | only? extensions.conf no? |
| 21:54.50 | fujin | you'll need to use extensions.conf if you want the phones to talk to eachother/anything |
| 21:57.08 | pabloff | to talk one to two.. |
| 21:58.51 | fujin | yeah, you'll need to create a dialplan |
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| 22:10.31 | hax | is there anyone who maintains new debs of asterisk for etch? |
| 22:10.38 | lmadsen | hrmmm... I just learned a valuable lesson... |
| 22:10.51 | pabloff | with default configuration of asterisk i could talk with 2 sip phones? |
| 22:12.24 | lmadsen | if you have a context with two include =>'s in it, and if you dial an extension and it matches in the 2nd context, and then you do a Goto(another_exten,1), and 'another_exten' exists in the 1st included context in the root context, then 'another_exten' will be matched in the 1st included context, and not jump to the 'another_context' in the 2nd included context (as you might expect since dialplan execution is happening ther |
| 22:12.24 | lmadsen | e) |
| 22:12.46 | lmadsen | pabloff: you have to program the dialplan to do it -- but luckily there is documentation to show you how to do that |
| 22:12.54 | lmadsen | jbot: tell pabloff about thebook |
| 22:13.27 | tzanger | documentation? surely you jest |
| 22:13.37 | tzanger | what would you know about documentation? It's not like you're an author or anything |
| 22:13.51 | lmadsen | tzanger: I'm not... but I play one on TV and at conferences |
| 22:14.24 | tzanger | haha |
| 22:14.27 | lmadsen | tzanger: that include's stuff that I just found out... did you know that? Kinda threw me for a loop there |
| 22:14.39 | lmadsen | so you gotta be careful sometimes I guess.... |
| 22:14.41 | tzanger | include? what do you mean |
| 22:14.48 | lmadsen | ok.. let me write up an example |
| 22:16.22 | lmadsen | http://www.pastebin.ca/899133 |
| 22:16.24 | lmadsen | check that out |
| 22:16.46 | lmadsen | you have to do Goto(checkVoicemail,preAuth,1) in that case |
| 22:16.51 | hax | is freepbx asterisk? |
| 22:16.58 | jameswf-home | hax no |
| 22:17.14 | jameswf-home | freepbx is a configuration layer for asterisk |
| 22:17.24 | outtolunc | is MS office .. windows? |
| 22:17.40 | outtolunc | is windows windows <G> |
| 22:17.45 | lmadsen | is Gnome Linux? |
| 22:17.58 | jameswf-home | I hear linux is ubuntu |
| 22:18.05 | lmadsen | then I hate linux |
| 22:18.17 | outtolunc | is are they was were then now if ? |
| 22:18.20 | jameswf-home | ron paul is asterisk |
| 22:19.17 | tzanger | lmadsen: that's fucked up |
| 22:19.24 | tzanger | lmadsen: actually I have run across something like that before |
| 22:19.27 | lmadsen | tzanger: indeed |
| 22:19.37 | lmadsen | i don't know whether that is a bug or not... |
| 22:19.44 | lmadsen | because it IS following the right rules... but .... |
| 22:20.02 | lmadsen | because execution of 8500 is actually happening in [phones], not in [checkVoicemail] |
| 22:20.14 | tzanger | if you have [foo] wiht exten 123 and 456, and you have [bar] with 456 and 789, and [baz] which includes foo then bar and you call 456 from it, you get the [bar] exten and not hte [foo] one IIRC |
| 22:20.17 | lmadsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.27 | tzanger | no, I disagree with how it is matching, because in your case it should match what is in the current context first |
| 22:20.54 | tzanger | and in my example, it should hit the first found, which is what's in [foo] |
| 22:20.56 | tzanger | but I digress |
| 22:21.26 | lmadsen | ya... the thing is asterisk thinks it is executing in [phones], and not in checkVoicemail because that is the context your phone is associated with, and it just checks the includes ... I guess at each line of the dialplan |
| 22:21.49 | lmadsen | I'm not sure if I should file a bug for that or not :) |
| 22:21.55 | hax | so... /j #freepbx |
| 22:21.56 | hax | err |
| 22:22.06 | hax | my ^u failed :/ |
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| 22:23.01 | jameswf-home | ~freepbx |
| 22:23.02 | jbot | [~freepbx] FreePBX is unable to be supported here. It is made up of complex dialplans and scripts which can't be easily supported by people who aren't deeply involved. Try joining #freepbx and asking there |
| 22:23.26 | hax | yeah, i know, i typo'd :) |
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| 22:29.37 | teknoprep | hey all |
| 22:30.14 | SomethingISOdd | hello all question is there anyway to see the calls live going through asterisk with the duration? |
| 22:30.14 | teknoprep | with the Polycom IP 650 Expansion Module |
| 22:30.14 | teknoprep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:30.54 | [Latino] | hi all |
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| 22:32.05 | completely_phukt | Anyone know why my asterisk box would try to get out on port 59534? |
| 22:32.36 | [Latino] | I'm doing some hacking of chan_sip ... I want to set a FIXED IP for some peers to be used as RTP bindaddres, so I added an option to load rtp_bindaddr from sip.conf .. where should I change chan_sip to use that IP's as rtp_bindaddr on the outgoing INVITE msg ? |
| 22:33.36 | teknoprep | completely_phukt, UDP ? |
| 22:36.46 | [Latino] | any clue ? |
| 22:36.57 | completely_phukt | teknoprep: UDP |
| 22:37.09 | teknoprep | completely_phukt, is it while you are making a call ? |
| 22:39.01 | completely_phukt | teknoprep, I am not the one making the calls, I am just a lowly admin ;) the box is constantly in use otherwise. U think it's SIP? I limited rtp range in rtp.conf to 10000-10100 |
| 22:39.20 | completely_phukt | but it's stil' doin it |
| 22:41.43 | hax | what provider would you guys recommend for per-minute IAX or SIP service that i could use with asterisk? both for origination and termination |
| 22:41.54 | completely_phukt | oops, wife is calling... gotta go eat. Can't phuk with that. I am already completely phukt :) I'll be right back |
| 22:42.12 | completely_phukt | hax, callcentric? |
| 22:42.36 | hax | completely_phukt: i don't know, that's why i'm asking :) |
| 22:43.16 | completely_phukt | hax, that's what we are using and IIRC they do per minute |
| 22:43.42 | hax | completely_phukt: it looks like a consumer service though, not something asterisk would connect to |
| 22:44.07 | drmessano | Asterisk works with Callcentric |
| 22:44.11 | completely_phukt | hax, it does |
| 22:44.17 | drmessano | I dont know why you would think otherwise lol |
| 22:44.37 | completely_phukt | really, gotta go now |
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| 22:45.21 | hax | oh, alright |
| 22:45.25 | JT | completely_phukt: that rtp range is a bit small |
| 22:45.36 | jameswf-home | remember vonnage is not the same as a real voip provider |
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| 22:46.09 | drmessano | Well |
| 22:46.21 | drmessano | http://www.callcentric.com/support/ <--- They couldnt make it any clearer lol |
| 22:46.51 | hax | i see :) |
| 22:47.26 | hax | it doesn't say how many channels they let you use though |
| 22:47.39 | Greek-Boy | when a macro a called will variables still work and be specific for the extension that its called from? |
| 22:48.01 | Greek-Boy | variables like ${SIPUSERAGENT} |
| 22:48.09 | hax | oh, found it, 3 channels, apparently |
| 22:50.32 | hax | i wonder what happens when you max out your channels |
| 22:50.46 | jameswf-home | all circuits are busy |
| 22:51.29 | hax | does asterisk at least get notified of that? |
| 22:51.54 | jameswf-home | yes |
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| 23:14.20 | teknoprep | hey all |
| 23:14.32 | teknoprep | how do i get rid of auto dial completion on polycom ? |
| 23:14.35 | Greek-Boy | how does once force a dundi lookup? |
| 23:14.52 | teknoprep | lets say i am trying to dial exten 102 but my parking lot is on 10 through 19 |
| 23:14.56 | teknoprep | it just dials 10 |
| 23:15.02 | teknoprep | it won't let me finish dialing to 102 |
| 23:15.32 | b11d | is there any way to stop these drasted "Really Destroying SIP Dialog..." messages without disabling verbose debug? |
| 23:15.54 | lmadsen | teknoprep: you need to modify the dialplan on the polycom |
| 23:16.00 | teknoprep | lmadsen, yup |
| 23:16.02 | lmadsen | in your sip.cfg file |
| 23:16.11 | teknoprep | lmadsen, yup... which option.. i only have about 300 options |
| 23:16.18 | teknoprep | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.19 | lmadsen | teknoprep: look for 'dialplan' I think |
| 23:16.21 | teknoprep | would that be it ? |
| 23:16.38 | b11d | its the "digitmap" |
| 23:16.40 | b11d | in sip.cfg |
| 23:16.42 | lmadsen | grab the polycom documentation from their website (administrators guide) and learn about that option |
| 23:16.44 | teknoprep | dialplan.applyToUserDial="1" |
| 23:16.47 | teknoprep | oh digitmap |
| 23:16.55 | b11d | aye |
| 23:17.06 | lmadsen | Greek-Boy: *CLI> help dundi lookup |
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| 23:17.14 | b11d | i fought that one too teknoprep.. |
| 23:17.21 | parfums^^ | qualche italiano? |
| 23:17.22 | jameswf-home | show warranty |
| 23:18.00 | teknoprep | <digitmap dialplan.digitmap="[2-9]11|0T|011xxx.T|[0-1][2-9]xxxxxxxxx|[2-9]xxxxxxxxx|[2-9]xxxT" dialplan.digitmap.timeOut="3|3|3|3|3|3"/> |
| 23:18.03 | teknoprep | that is what i have |
| 23:18.15 | teknoprep | any idea on what to change ? |
| 23:18.23 | completely_phukt | JT: u still there? why do u think my RTP range is too small? |
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| 23:19.09 | teknoprep | completely_phukt, try using 1000 ports... like 10001 - 110001 |
| 23:19.29 | lmadsen | completely_phukt: fyi -- 1 phone call (2 channels) = 4 RTP ports |
| 23:19.45 | completely_phukt | OK, 1000 it is |
| 23:20.12 | hax | who are the other popular providers besides callcentric? |
| 23:20.20 | lmadsen | and make sure your firewall matches the rtp port range you have asterisk configured as |
| 23:20.22 | completely_phukt | teknorep: doesn't look like u got option for 102 |
| 23:20.38 | completely_phukt | in your digimap |
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| 23:21.34 | completely_phukt | lmadsen: I will |
| 23:21.46 | lmadsen | or you'll get 1 way audio |
| 23:21.48 | lmadsen | (sometimes) |
| 23:21.56 | teknoprep | b11d, any idea on the digitmap ? |
| 23:22.30 | completely_phukt | he-he |
| 23:23.06 | JT | completely_phukt: it's 10 ports, way too small |
| 23:23.13 | JT | completely_phukt: the default range is fine |
| 23:24.57 | teknoprep | can i just get rid of the digitmap ? |
| 23:26.36 | teknoprep | ahh that works better |
| 23:26.39 | teknoprep | much better |
| 23:26.52 | completely_phukt | JT: why is it only 10 ports? 10000 to 10100 is 100 RTP ports, no? |
| 23:28.11 | completely_phukt | teknorep: u need something like [1-8]xx in your string (my memories are failing me) |
| 23:28.19 | JT | completely_phukt: ah, right |
| 23:28.30 | JT | completely_phukt: still, the default is fine for most setups |
| 23:28.56 | completely_phukt | JT: ok, I am convinced. 1000 it is :) |
| 23:29.28 | Greek-Boy | lmadsen sorry I phrasd the question wrong. How can I force an extension to go to a dundi peer? |
| 23:29.32 | completely_phukt | teknoprep: u need something like [1-8]xx in your string (my memories are failing me) |
| 23:29.47 | teknoprep | completely_phukt, no i just left it blank.. and it works fine |
| 23:30.30 | completely_phukt | teknoprep, that'll do |
| 23:31.12 | lmadsen | Greek-Boy: I still don't understand your question...... it's just dialplan logic. Set(RESPONSE=${DUNDILOOKUP(...)}) |
| 23:31.23 | lmadsen | Dial(${RESPONSE}) |
| 23:31.49 | hax | is there a list of differences between 1.4.x and 1.2.x? i'm trying to decide which to install |
| 23:32.43 | completely_phukt | 1.4 has built-in web server 8o |
| 23:33.28 | b11d | teknoprep.. stil working on that? |
| 23:33.33 | teknoprep | b11d, naw i got it |
| 23:33.40 | teknoprep | b11d, i looked up how to setup digitmaps |
| 23:33.42 | b11d | oh ok.. had to step away for abit.. sorry.. glad to hear it though. |
| 23:33.56 | teknoprep | b11d, very nice on how they do this... cisco sip implementation really does suck |
| 23:34.02 | b11d | hell yes it does |
| 23:34.18 | b11d | they wanted you to use MGCP i guess.. |
| 23:34.21 | teknoprep | b11d, i think i am going to start using only polycom phones... as i just bought an IP 650 for an office i am installing a phone system for... going to try it out |
| 23:34.39 | b11d | ive deployed about 400 polycoms.. 501s and now some 650s and everyone loves them |
| 23:34.49 | b11d | and they are not so expensive, and easy to administer too. |
| 23:35.24 | lmadsen | ya... I don't bother with anything but polycom. I don't usually have to deal with the phone part of the install, but it's the only thing I recommend |
| 23:36.03 | b11d | same.. I cant think of any reason not to use polycoms, except that you cannot adjust stand the phone sits on.. and their wall-mounts are kinda weak. |
| 23:36.09 | b11d | but those are trivial problems |
| 23:36.34 | b11d | I'd just kill for a Polycom with a built-in ATA though :) |
| 23:37.29 | JT | completely_phukt: the default is 10000-20000 |
| 23:37.38 | JT | completely_phukt: that's 10000 ports |
| 23:38.18 | teknoprep | i have been using cisco 7940 and 7960 phones becuase i get them from companies that i switch from cisco call manager to asterisk |
| 23:38.30 | completely_phukt | JT: what am I gonna do with all these ports? ;) |
| 23:38.53 | teknoprep | i also have ALOT of 3524-pwr switches for inline power for cisco phones.. i do prefer cisco switches but there 802.3af switch are so expensi ve |
| 23:39.06 | b11d | polys can take PoE just fine |
| 23:39.55 | lmadsen | hax: see CHANGES |
| 23:40.00 | lmadsen | in the source |
| 23:40.05 | JT | b11d: 802.3af PoE, that is |
| 23:40.13 | b11d | yeah |
| 23:40.18 | lmadsen | a lot <-- two words |
| 23:40.45 | SomethingISOdd | hello all question is there anyway to see the calls live going through asterisk with the duration? |
| 23:40.46 | JT | b11d: the older cisco PoE switches are not compliant with the standard |
| 23:40.53 | b11d | hax.. theres no reason not go to with 1.4.. I cant imagine 1.2 being supported for too much longer. |
| 23:41.05 | b11d | oh really? that doesnt surpirse me :) |
| 23:41.06 | Greek-Boy | thanks lmadsen |
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| 23:42.28 | b11d | it must be getting more difficult to manage asterisk with maintaining 1.2, 1.4, and now the 1.6 branch.. |
| 23:42.32 | Greek-Boy | is it possible to echo variables from the CLI? such as ${STRFTIME(${EPOCH},,%d%m%Y-%H%M%S)} |
| 23:42.55 | parfums^^ | italiani? |
| 23:43.07 | b11d | parfums^^.. no english? |
| 23:43.35 | completely_phukt | parfums^^, my wife italiani. me no :) |
| 23:44.11 | hax | lmadsen: that is a lot of changes |
| 23:44.19 | lmadsen | hax: yes. it is. |
| 23:44.25 | lmadsen | Asterisk develops VERY rapidly |
| 23:44.30 | hax | b11d: yeah, but i need to either find a deb package backported for etch (which i haven't been able to do), or i need to build from source (which i'm not sure i should do) |
| 23:44.36 | lmadsen | if you're learning, just skip 1.2 |
| 23:44.47 | hax | yeah, i see 1.6 beta is already on the site |
| 23:45.12 | lmadsen | Greek-Boy: Verbose(1,${MYVAR_OR_FUNCTION}) |
| 23:45.13 | hax | lmadsen: how would you recommend i install it? this is 100% voip btw, no real phone hardware |
| 23:45.28 | lmadsen | hax: I recommend you follow the instructions in the book |
| 23:45.35 | lmadsen | jbot: tell hax about thebook |
| 23:45.41 | jameswf-home | ~buybook |
| 23:45.42 | jbot | You can buy "Asterisk the Future of Telephony" at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ so go buy it SERIOUSLY |
| 23:45.53 | lmadsen | jameswf-home: you might become my new best friend :D |
| 23:46.05 | jameswf-home | send me a cut and... :) |
| 23:46.15 | jameswf-home | I like t shirts too |
| 23:46.38 | Greek-Boy | lmadsen: so the only way to see a variable is from the dial plan? no way from CLI? |
| 23:46.51 | lmadsen | Greek-Boy: what CLI.... |
| 23:46.59 | lmadsen | I can only assume you mean the Asterisk CLI |
| 23:47.01 | Greek-Boy | asterisk cli |
| 23:47.05 | Greek-Boy | yes |
| 23:47.11 | lmadsen | jameswf-home: haha... you want a cut of the $0.33? :) |
| 23:47.27 | jameswf-home | not a big cut |
| 23:47.29 | jameswf-home | :) |
| 23:47.31 | completely_phukt | lmadsen: didja write the book? |
| 23:47.36 | lmadsen | Greek-Boy: the variable only exists when the channel exists... |
| 23:47.52 | Greek-Boy | ok then |
| 23:48.02 | lmadsen | completely_phukt: no, but I heard some devilishly handsome guy did |
| 23:48.16 | lmadsen | I just happen to have the same name as him |
| 23:48.20 | hax | lmadsen: hmm, i see |
| 23:48.20 | lmadsen | and look exactly like him |
| 23:48.23 | lmadsen | but I'm cooler |
| 23:48.30 | lmadsen | which is a feat in and of itself |
| 23:49.05 | completely_phukt | cool. man |
| 23:51.12 | jameswf-home | I pirate gpl software ..... |
| 23:51.33 | lmadsen | ummm... u go gurl? |
| 23:52.47 | hax | lmadsen: for 1.4 without any phone hardware, do i need to bother with the zaptel/pri stuff? the book says i probably want ztdummy anyway... but do i need that? |
| 23:53.37 | lmadsen | hax: yes -- you need it for timing in order to use things like MeetMe() conferencing |
| 23:54.03 | jameswf-home | AP: (iraq) Suicide bombers will now have a cell phone controlled backup detination switch, based on a gps an astrisk controlled phone system will call the bombers cellphone when the reach their target in case they decide they dont want their 72 virgins |
| 23:54.15 | hax | lmadsen: it's a kernel driver though, isn't it? i wonder if that'll even run on my vps |
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| 23:54.27 | lmadsen | vps? |
| 23:54.45 | lmadsen | and yes, it's a kernel module |
| 23:54.58 | hax | virtual private server, as in, UML or XEN |
| 23:55.05 | drmessano | HAHA |
| 23:55.07 | jameswf-home | prior to detination a file called tt-jihad recorded by the famous allison will play |
| 23:55.07 | lmadsen | it should... |
| 23:55.17 | drmessano | app_jihad |
| 23:56.16 | drmessano | Heh |
| 23:56.24 | drmessano | I love how a security hole is HOLE |
| 23:56.30 | drmessano | I love how a security hole is HUGE |
| 23:56.52 | teknoprep | <digitmap dialplan.digitmap="911|0T|011xxx.T|[2-9]xxxxxxxxx|1xxx" |
| 23:56.56 | teknoprep | so i used that for my digitmap |
| 23:56.58 | drmessano | The implication that there is size |
| 23:56.59 | teknoprep | works great |
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| 23:57.06 | teknoprep | whats up drmessano |
| 23:57.14 | drmessano | HUGE SECURITY HOLE FOUND IN LINUX KERNEL |
| 23:57.18 | drmessano | EVERYBODY PANIC |
| 23:57.21 | teknoprep | lol |
| 23:57.26 | drmessano | Hi teknoprep |
| 23:57.35 | teknoprep | TOO BAD I USE BSD... w0ot |
| 23:57.38 | jameswf-home | how much dirt can you remove from a 4x4x4 foot hole |
| 23:57.50 | drmessano | Keep Digg'ing |
| 23:58.20 | drmessano | ZOMG BIGGEST SECURITY HOLE IN LINUX EVER THIS WEEK SO FAR |
| 23:58.36 | hmodes | everybody picnic! |
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| 23:59.04 | lmadsen | jameswf-home: none... ? |
| 23:59.37 | jameswf-home | probably as much as is equaly added |