| 00:11.42 | Qwell | DrkShadow_: sounds like you're using a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace. Zaptel doesn't like that. |
| 00:12.37 | *** join/#asterisk Paleo (n=paleo@admin.kollide.net) |
| 00:12.42 | DrkShadow_ | yep. |
| 00:12.46 | nephfl | so, what does it cost to get someone to write this script for me? |
| 00:14.21 | Paleo | hi guys. I need help with an issue regarding a T1 line. However, i'm using cisco callmanager express... I bet I'm not welcomed here ? :0) Sorry, but that's the only place I could think of, to find T1 "experts". |
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| 00:20.24 | DrkShadow_ | hum.. my asterisk server is behind nat. rtp.conf specifies ports 10000-10999, and also forwards ports 5600--> 5060. I can't do RTP with either of two models of phone that I've tried... ideas? |
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| 00:20.33 | DrkShadow_ | (the rtp ports are forwarded, I have checked) |
| 00:22.38 | drmessano | Have you added the proper settings for NAT? |
| 00:23.02 | drmessano | localnet, externip/externhost, etc? |
| 00:23.28 | DrkShadow_ | I have, in sip.conf, #include sip_nat.conf; in sip_nat.conf is nat=yes; extip=192.168.111.89 (the outside IP), localnet=192.168.211.0/255.255.255.0 (inner net), qualify=yes |
| 00:23.54 | drmessano | ohhh |
| 00:23.58 | DrkShadow_ | ?? |
| 00:24.08 | drmessano | You're the VMware guy |
| 00:24.13 | DrkShadow_ | sadly, it was working yesterday but I lost the settings |
| 00:24.14 | DrkShadow_ | no vmware |
| 00:24.28 | DrkShadow_ | and as for the audio problem, it was ztdummy, not a network setting. |
| 00:24.49 | drmessano | Its a virtual server, RIGHT? |
| 00:24.57 | DrkShadow_ | yep. I.e. not vmware. |
| 00:25.05 | drmessano | lol |
| 00:25.20 | DrkShadow_ | so, any ideas, or no? |
| 00:25.37 | drmessano | nope |
| 00:25.50 | DrkShadow_ | heh |
| 00:26.23 | *** part/#asterisk d00gster (n=doughant@bas1-toronto12-1088929749.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 00:27.30 | *** join/#asterisk Martz (n=Martz@pdpc/supporter/active/Martz) |
| 00:27.52 | drmessano | So what/who is fueling the TCP SIP movement? |
| 00:27.55 | drmessano | Other than M$? |
| 00:29.25 | drmessano | People complaint about the lack of TCP SIP in Asterisk like it's some ZOMG DEAL BREAKER |
| 00:30.46 | jblack | drmessano: firewalling. |
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| 00:31.42 | jblack | tcp forwarding is incredibly easily trucked through firewalls. |
| 00:31.57 | jblack | You can even do it with a ssh tunnel |
| 00:32.08 | DrkShadow_ | uhm, "sip show settings" says nat: rfc3581; qualify: 2000 and nothing about externip or localnet.. are these settings proper for my server being behind nat? :-/ |
| 00:32.13 | jjshoe | and nothing sucks more then people who can't configure their $20 home router |
| 00:32.39 | drmessano | Hmm |
| 00:33.32 | jblack | a $20 home router isn't going to be able to trivially tunnel through 2 or 3 firewalls... |
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| 00:33.48 | asr33 | siproxd? |
| 00:34.16 | jblack | sure, if you can get get it on every firewall & nat between the two points. |
| 00:34.21 | drmessano | lol |
| 00:34.38 | drmessano | I played with Siproxd.. waste of time |
| 00:34.55 | jblack | Yeah. Good luck getting it to run on the same machine as *. ;) |
| 00:35.13 | drmessano | I was trying to get it to run on a Floppy based router |
| 00:35.17 | drmessano | It was a nightmare |
| 00:36.25 | jblack | jjshoe: Granted. It's doable, for 50 phones, to tunnel/forward 5 or 6 udp ports per phone, provided you have access to control the firewalls themselves. |
| 00:36.44 | jblack | With tcp though, you don't exactly need root level capabilities. |
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| 00:39.54 | sbingner | wtf would you want voice TCP traffic? |
| 00:40.04 | asr33 | "Asterisk the future of telephony" book: allow all traffic to UDP 5060 + 10000:20000 can I just allow IP address of my ITSP's to connect to those and it will work? |
| 00:40.06 | sbingner | besides port forwardinfg |
| 00:40.58 | jblack | That's the only good reason I'm aware of. That simplicity has a high cost though. |
| 00:42.29 | jblack | Mostly in latency, limiting OOB transmissions and out of order transmissions. |
| 00:43.20 | jblack | I suppose in wasted bandwidth to a limited exten.. packets in the pipe that are too late can't be dropped. You still have to chew 'em. |
| 00:44.39 | drmessano | Larger packet sizes for messaging |
| 00:44.45 | drmessano | Thats one I found |
| 00:44.48 | *** join/#asterisk husimon (n=nhuisman@dhcp12.IfA.Hawaii.Edu) |
| 00:44.51 | drmessano | TCP vs UDP |
| 00:45.06 | jblack | I don't get you. |
| 00:46.13 | jblack | I'd think you're individual packets are going to be limited by the smallest MTU/MRU along the path, regardless of the protocol. |
| 00:46.38 | drmessano | True.. which is why im not sure what the point was |
| 00:46.59 | drmessano | Dunno.. Looking for valid TCP SIP vs UDP arguments |
| 00:47.03 | jblack | In fact, tcp is always going to be slightly smaller, because of the extra signalling fields. |
| 00:47.06 | drmessano | Not finding anything profound |
| 00:47.28 | husimon | I"m having a problem with asterisk 1.4. I was previously using 1.2 and now with 1.4 I get the following errors in my log. http://pastebin.com/m6617bff I think i can just unload the database related stuff so it doesn't look for it but I am not sure why my zaptel isn't working any longer, and i'm not sure what phone.conf is. |
| 00:48.01 | jblack | Just that UDP is difficult to get through all but the simplist setups, while TCP can damn near be routed over rusty barbed wire. |
| 00:48.21 | sbingner | I think that was a bad thing, larger packet sizes required for tcp to make up for all the extra overhead? |
| 00:48.42 | sbingner | jblack, but what good is your voice conversation 2 days later and out of order? |
| 00:48.47 | jblack | sbingner: Yeah, you're definitely going to take a hit on latency and throughput for a zillion reasons. |
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| 00:49.05 | jblack | sbinger: Hmmm. Did you just say that 2 days ago, because we're talking on tcp now. :) |
| 00:49.09 | sbingner | lol |
| 00:49.14 | drmessano | lol |
| 00:49.17 | sbingner | 2 days is a relative term |
| 00:49.32 | jblack | Heh. The difference betwen udp and tcp isn't _that_ signficant. |
| 00:49.40 | sbingner | if I unplugged my modem and plugged it back in, we would lose our conversation here |
| 00:49.48 | sbingner | but if it was UDP... we'd just pick up when it was plugged bacn in |
| 00:49.49 | drmessano | I know one reason is that M$ is using SIP TCP for their "VoIP" products... however, I have a valid question |
| 00:50.13 | jblack | sbingner: Often, but not always. |
| 00:50.35 | sbingner | the comment was in reference to the "barbed wire" comment... you could get the data over it but it would be pointless by that time |
| 00:50.40 | *** part/#asterisk TedStevens (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew) |
| 00:50.48 | sbingner | so if your connection isn't good enough to do it over UDP... it's no use doing it at all |
| 00:50.52 | husimon | anyone got any ideas? |
| 00:50.54 | drmessano | M$ claims you dont need to toss your PBX.. you can use your old PBX with the M$ VoIP product and not replace any hardware.. Well, if I need to buy the M$ $$$$oftware to get more out of my PBX, why not save the money on software and use Asterisk with new hardware??? :) |
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| 00:51.21 | jblack | sbingner: If your latency is too high, and your throughput too low, for udp, then yes, tcp would be even worse. I absolutely agree. |
| 00:51.37 | husimon | what is chan_phone.c |
| 00:52.07 | jblack | However, if you can't route calls over tcp, then I doubt the udp calls are going to be very practical either. |
| 00:52.09 | husimon | which I assume is part of chan_phone.so |
| 00:52.22 | sbingner | jblack, in the sat world... wrong |
| 00:52.37 | sbingner | jblack, high latency screws up TCP much more than UDP |
| 00:53.05 | drmessano | UDP "Fling it out there, it will make it eventually, or not" |
| 00:53.09 | jblack | Once upon a time, I would have agreed with you. |
| 00:53.25 | sbingner | so you think TCP over a sat link would do it? heh |
| 00:53.27 | jblack | Not for the last 5 years would I agree with you, for at least this application. |
| 00:53.47 | jblack | I think a person trying to ssh over a SAT would become suicidal. I don't think so for phones. |
| 00:53.54 | drmessano | LOL |
| 00:53.57 | drmessano | Um |
| 00:54.05 | drmessano | Yeah, SAT doesnt work for VoIP |
| 00:54.13 | jblack | The cell phone out here has a latency of a whopping 400ms. |
| 00:54.15 | drmessano | I've tested it.. it's worse than horrid |
| 00:54.25 | sbingner | sat works fine for UDP VOiP |
| 00:54.39 | sbingner | I was using it earlier today |
| 00:54.43 | drmessano | Hmm.. Not for me it didnt |
| 00:54.55 | sbingner | our total latency was about 300ms each eay |
| 00:54.58 | sbingner | each way |
| 00:55.09 | drmessano | What system/provider? |
| 00:55.10 | sbingner | 300-400 |
| 00:55.15 | sbingner | system/providor? |
| 00:55.17 | sbingner | we have out own sat |
| 00:55.17 | jblack | Verizon. |
| 00:55.20 | drmessano | LOL |
| 00:55.39 | sbingner | it's a VSAT system though |
| 00:55.48 | jblack | And that's not two phones across country. That's two phones in the same room. |
| 00:55.57 | sbingner | jblack, damn |
| 00:56.12 | sbingner | jblack, my sat call was better lol |
| 00:56.27 | jblack | So, the latency of tcp on this dsl line, right here, is perhaps 10% worse than UDP. |
| 00:56.31 | sbingner | you saying 400ms one way or round-trip? |
| 00:56.45 | jblack | At it's worst, one way. |
| 00:56.56 | sbingner | until you get >200ms or so tcp will be ok |
| 00:57.00 | drmessano | HughesNet just sucks then, I guess |
| 00:57.12 | drmessano | We never got VoIP working in the Mobile Operations Center |
| 00:57.14 | jblack | So, I'm not going to notice 60ms vs. 66ms. |
| 00:57.26 | sbingner | you're not understanding I think, but ok |
| 00:57.32 | jblack | Probably not even 200 vs. 220. |
| 00:57.39 | sbingner | let me try again |
| 00:57.40 | jblack | I understand more than you think. |
| 00:58.22 | sbingner | our sat link has a bandwidth of about 60Mbit. A tcp session over that link gets a max of about 60kbit I think, I could test it again |
| 00:58.56 | jblack | And.... what? You suspect your provider is rate limiting individual ports? |
| 00:58.59 | sbingner | lol no |
| 00:59.07 | sbingner | we don't rate limit anything and we HAVE NO providor |
| 00:59.16 | sbingner | I manage all the equipment |
| 00:59.23 | sbingner | it's because of how TCP works |
| 00:59.37 | sbingner | we can put a TCP accellerator on the link and get a goof 50-60Mbit |
| 00:59.50 | sbingner | which is essentially just breaking the TCP protocol |
| 00:59.57 | jblack | I've done telnet over 9600 baud from a ship, to a satellite, back to server, with latency of 5000ms. |
| 01:00.05 | jblack | During a war. |
| 01:00.21 | sbingner | telnet is insanely less bandwidth than a voip call |
| 01:00.43 | sbingner | 9600 baud isn't even enough for a voice call generally |
| 01:00.46 | jblack | Telnet is _so_ much worse than voice. That's what you don't get. |
| 01:01.01 | jblack | e.v.e.r.y. single character requires a roundtrip. |
| 01:01.08 | sbingner | so you're saying you could deal with a voice call over tcp and a latency of 5 seconds? |
| 01:01.11 | sbingner | lol. |
| 01:01.30 | jblack | With voice, as long as your packets have enough throuput to get through with latency of less than human time (say... 400 ms or so), you're fine. |
| 01:01.36 | sbingner | TCP itself requires a round-trip for every few packets |
| 01:01.37 | jblack | People are not modems. ;) |
| 01:02.01 | drmessano | short. sentences. roger. |
| 01:02.05 | husimon | I have ok alarms for my zaptel device but asterisk won't load it, any ideas? |
| 01:02.06 | jblack | It does, and that's what killed us back in the 90s. These days, reasonable systems can cope with out of ordering packets. |
| 01:02.08 | husimon | chan_zap.c: Unable to get parameters |
| 01:02.15 | husimon | han_zap.c: Unable to register channel '1-23' |
| 01:02.48 | jblack | once upon a time, if you received more than one packet out of order, you threw all three of them out. |
| 01:02.59 | husimon | any ideas? |
| 01:03.01 | sbingner | it's not out of order packets... it's that it sends a certain amount of data and waits for an ack. which means the max amount of data per round-trip time is the window size. |
| 01:03.11 | sbingner | ordering is irrelevant |
| 01:03.20 | jblack | sbigner: You don't undersatnd tcp as well as you think. |
| 01:03.30 | sbingner | better than you apparently, but ok |
| 01:03.52 | jblack | Yes, there's handshaking, but it's handled out of order too. |
| 01:04.40 | jblack | The days of "Ok, everybody stop talking, let's check sequences" is well more than a decade in the past. |
| 01:05.21 | husimon | odd what does this mean : http://pastebin.com/m3099a708 |
| 01:05.29 | husimon | ignoring switchtype? why would it ignore it |
| 01:05.38 | sbingner | jblack, also nothing to do with sequence numbers. *sigh* |
| 01:05.39 | jblack | these days, that only happens if a host falls to far behind or a packet gets lost. |
| 01:06.16 | sbingner | too far behind = sat link problem |
| 01:07.54 | sbingner | TCP uses a sliding window flow control protocol. In each TCP segment, the receiver specifies in the receive window field the amount of additional received data (in bytes) that it is willing to buffer for the connection. The sending host can send only up to that amount of data before it must wait for an acknowledgment and window update from the receiving host. |
| 01:08.17 | jblack | Yes, said much better than I've been saying it. |
| 01:08.29 | jblack | Windows used to be tiny. They're not so small any more. |
| 01:08.48 | sbingner | they're still far too small for a sat link, unless you have some other app inline to buffer |
| 01:09.13 | sbingner | and modify the window sizes to excessively large sizes that windows or unix would never do by default |
| 01:09.22 | jblack | So, because you're got crappy, proprietary hardware with 256k of ram..... |
| 01:10.00 | jblack | I don't care about your crappy receiver. I'm terrestrial, and tcp works _fine_. |
| 01:10.09 | sbingner | window size for our link is about 20MB |
| 01:11.09 | sbingner | but unless you have that hardwar inline to make tcp work well, it'll be useless. if you end up with high latency on your terrestrial link for a few seconds, you're screwed. |
| 01:11.29 | *** join/#asterisk Mavvie (n=edwin@ppp121-44-96-110.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net) |
| 01:11.46 | jblack | For a few seconds, I definitely agree. |
| 01:12.08 | husimon | any idea what this error means when I try to load chan_zap.so ? [Jan 25 20:03:38] ERROR[12347]: chan_zap.c:10725 build_channels: Unable to reconfigure channel '1-23' |
| 01:12.18 | jblack | MOst people don't have latency of a few seconds. You're practically living in the ghetto, though, if you have latency of over than 200.. And that's _more_ than good enough for voice. |
| 01:12.21 | sbingner | husimon, you can't reconfigure channel '1-23' |
| 01:12.41 | husimon | sbingner: yeah, do you know where I can look to find out why not? |
| 01:12.55 | sbingner | husimon, just don't DO it... it's in zapata.conf |
| 01:13.08 | husimon | don't I neeeed to configure my channels |
| 01:13.14 | sbingner | yes. once. |
| 01:13.16 | sbingner | not twice |
| 01:13.32 | sbingner | unless I misunderstand the error |
| 01:13.34 | husimon | I only have it once |
| 01:14.09 | husimon | http://pastebin.com/m18de078f my zapata.conf |
| 01:14.13 | plik | where (specifically) can I find out about ACL is in regards to SIP users please? |
| 01:15.15 | sbingner | husimon, and channels 1-23 exist? |
| 01:15.50 | husimon | http://pastebin.com/m628a8bd7 |
| 01:15.53 | husimon | results from ztcfg |
| 01:15.59 | husimon | which says i have 48 channels |
| 01:16.16 | husimon | the second set is because the zaptel device has 2 interfaces |
| 01:16.31 | husimon | this worked fine in 1.2 |
| 01:16.50 | husimon | i wonder if maybe the zaptel version I have doesn't work with this version of asterisk |
| 01:17.44 | husimon | I have asterisk be verison C which is asterisk 1.4 based, I then installed a patched version of zaptel 1.4.7 |
| 01:18.03 | sbingner | I doubt that, you don't have something lockign any of the channels do you? |
| 01:18.07 | Qwell | why are you patching zaptel? |
| 01:18.29 | husimon | Qwell: because the zaptel device is really using tdmoe which isn't supported with the stock version of zaptel |
| 01:18.42 | husimon | yes I know tdmoe (yuck) but that's what i have right now. |
| 01:19.30 | husimon | how can I find out if the channels are locked? they show yellow alarms right now since there is no pri plugged in. |
| 01:19.42 | jblack | Oh, there's another good use for sip over TCP. TLS is only defined for sip over tcp |
| 01:19.52 | drmessano | ah |
| 01:21.55 | husimon | i'm just not sure where to increase verbosity or what else to do in order to find out why it won't load the channels |
| 01:22.04 | jblack | There's nothing in sip to make it impractical. |
| 01:23.39 | drmessano | Shouldnt that be ectoplasm? |
| 01:23.43 | drmessano | "He slimed me" |
| 01:24.02 | sbingner | husimon, debug level 9 ? |
| 01:24.05 | sbingner | heh |
| 01:24.08 | husimon | on that already :) |
| 01:24.23 | drmessano | asterisk -vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvr ftw |
| 01:24.24 | husimon | stupid debug doesn't goto 11! |
| 01:24.36 | Qwell | husimon: sure it does |
| 01:25.00 | husimon | it was a joke (amp goes to 11) but I don't think it does anything beyond level 9 does it? |
| 01:26.01 | sbingner | grr. Liar Liar from netflix is 4:3, wtf. |
| 01:26.05 | *** join/#asterisk toddejohnson (n=toddejoh@69.220.214.65) |
| 01:26.35 | husimon | i do see something interesting when I restart zaptel |
| 01:26.44 | husimon | an 25 20:18:00 voip2 kernel: Span ZTD/ethmf/eth1/00:50:C2:65:D2:52/0: Expected seq no 0, but received 11358 instead |
| 01:29.26 | sbingner | husimon, what if you just configure one channel? |
| 01:29.45 | sbingner | don't see why it would matter but it's something to try heh |
| 01:30.06 | husimon | sure i'll try |
| 01:30.09 | husimon | channel => 1 eh |
| 01:30.49 | husimon | same thing |
| 01:30.54 | husimon | unable to register channel 'x' |
| 01:31.09 | sbingner | where x was 1? |
| 01:31.46 | husimon | yes |
| 01:34.07 | sbingner | Zaptel dynamic span creation failed: File exists |
| 01:35.10 | husimon | i think that's because I already created it then zaptel started but then i'm runnig ztcfg again |
| 01:35.16 | husimon | unless i'm wrong then maybe that's something to look at |
| 01:36.01 | sbingner | you could stop it, run it and see if it still does it |
| 01:36.34 | *** join/#asterisk CunningPike (n=arodgers@204.239.12.183) |
| 01:36.42 | sbingner | http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2004-July/046107.html <-- could be related |
| 01:38.23 | waKKu | folks.. does someone there with experience with IBM ServeRAID ?? I'm getting problem to add a new disc to an array raid 5 |
| 01:38.24 | husimon | yeah if I have zaptel stopped |
| 01:38.28 | husimon | then ztcfg doesn't display that error |
| 01:38.53 | husimon | Wakku how is that related to asterisk? |
| 01:39.00 | drmessano | #IBM ?? |
| 01:39.16 | waKKu | husimon hm... is in asterisk server ? .... sorry.. have no more places to ask ;( |
| 01:39.26 | husimon | i'd google it |
| 01:39.29 | husimon | or call ibm |
| 01:39.38 | waKKu | i really did it.. did it too.. |
| 01:39.40 | husimon | it's completely independent of asterisk |
| 01:39.43 | waKKu | ok ok ;) |
| 01:39.46 | waKKu | forget it |
| 01:40.08 | drmessano | HELP: Can someone tell me why my brownies come out raw in the middle and crunchy on the edges? |
| 01:40.22 | sbingner | drmessano, your oven was too hot |
| 01:40.22 | drmessano | I have no one else to ask :`) |
| 01:40.36 | sbingner | :p |
| 01:40.55 | husimon | oh darn sbingner answered first |
| 01:40.56 | husimon | hehe |
| 01:41.01 | husimon | i was in a different window |
| 01:41.04 | sbingner | lol |
| 01:41.18 | waKKu | see.. i'd create a new topic ;) |
| 01:41.21 | *** join/#asterisk ectospasm (n=ectospas@c-68-62-219-11.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 01:41.26 | drmessano | I was beginning to think I had the TCP Window set too large in brownie.c |
| 01:41.26 | *** join/#asterisk LancerZ (n=Anon@CPE-72-135-235-232.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 01:41.33 | drmessano | Tjhank you |
| 01:41.35 | drmessano | -j |
| 01:41.36 | sbingner | drmessano, rofl |
| 01:41.51 | LancerZ | Can, someone provide some advice for me please....I am having some issues with configuration files. |
| 01:42.05 | husimon | now how about this question: What changes do you make to a cookie recipe to make the cookies thick, moisty and chewy instead of crunchy and flat? |
| 01:42.05 | sbingner | LancerZ, buy WZEN |
| 01:42.08 | drmessano | I deleted all my config files.. they got in the way |
| 01:42.28 | sbingner | husimon, add more crisco? |
| 01:42.29 | LancerZ | It's for polycom phones though. |
| 01:42.55 | husimon | *errrr* |
| 01:42.55 | drmessano | I combined they all into one asterisk.txt and symlinked everything back to it |
| 01:42.55 | drmessano | Works ok, I guess |
| 01:43.05 | husimon | drmessano: laugh |
| 01:43.15 | husimon | you know some people don't know better and will isten to you |
| 01:43.16 | sbingner | lol |
| 01:43.27 | toddejohnson | I'm running pbxinaflash and freepbx and when I try to park a call it does not tell me where I parked the call. Any ideas or places to look. |
| 01:43.39 | sbingner | toddejohnson, try your garage |
| 01:43.39 | drmessano | Im a friggin idiot, no one should ever listen to me |
| 01:43.45 | drmessano | Now drink your Kool Aid |
| 01:43.50 | drmessano | Quickly pls |
| 01:44.29 | sbingner | wow pbxinaflash actually exists |
| 01:44.33 | drmessano | Don't mind the gritty stuff in the bottom, it's happy dust |
| 01:44.45 | *** join/#asterisk Shaun2222 (n=Shaun222@ip68-4-127-67.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 01:44.54 | LancerZ | What is WZEN.... |
| 01:44.57 | drmessano | toddejohnson: This is NOT the correct channel |
| 01:45.01 | Shaun2222 | anybody know where i can find the LiS drivers any whre? |
| 01:45.05 | sbingner | LancerZ, it's a gaming company in korea |
| 01:45.14 | toddejohnson | drmessano Ok what is the correct channel |
| 01:45.25 | husimon | #freepbx |
| 01:45.27 | drmessano | #freePBX or #pbxinaflash |
| 01:45.35 | LancerZ | sbingner: I assume they can help me with the config files on a server? |
| 01:45.41 | sbingner | toddejohnson, that wasn't a joke? |
| 01:45.51 | sbingner | LancerZ, nah... you asked for advice... didn't say what kind |
| 01:45.59 | drmessano | ~freepbx |
| 01:45.59 | jbot | [~freepbx] FreePBX is unable to be supported here. It is made up of complex dialplans and scripts which can't be easily supported by people who aren't deeply involved. Try joining #freepbx and asking there |
| 01:46.01 | sbingner | that was financial advice |
| 01:46.29 | toddejohnson | I am asking in freepbx currently |
| 01:46.29 | husimon | do you folks autoload=yes in your modules or manually load them all |
| 01:46.37 | LancerZ | sbingner: Do you have any advice on config files for polycom phones so you can store on server for FTP configuration? |
| 01:46.43 | drmessano | I autoload.. I like excitement |
| 01:46.51 | husimon | i need to turn some off I think |
| 01:47.03 | sbingner | LancerZ, I'm afraid all the advice I have on that is to read the documentation for the polycom phones and check google... somebody else may know tho |
| 01:47.09 | drmessano | husimon: you need to reformat and install Trixbox, I think |
| 01:47.11 | husimon | chan_phone |
| 01:47.21 | husimon | app_festival |
| 01:47.35 | LancerZ | sbingner: Thanks for your advice. I did try those, the documentation wasn't too clear. I appreciate your thoughts though. |
| 01:47.41 | husimon | ah, just found an asterisk slimming bit on the wiki |
| 01:47.47 | drmessano | Your box sounds like a cornicopia of tom fookery |
| 01:47.48 | toddejohnson | LancerZ I have some. I use tftp and ftp just set it up in dhcpd |
| 01:48.04 | husimon | drmessano: yeah the default load is probably way more then you want. |
| 01:48.09 | LancerZ | toddejohnson: I am on static does that change any factors? |
| 01:48.52 | husimon | LancerZ: what exaclty are you asking |
| 01:48.53 | drmessano | husimon: For most people its not an issue.. I think your problem is somewhere else |
| 01:48.53 | toddejohnson | LancerZ, you will have to configure each phone to the provisioning server |
| 01:48.56 | husimon | what to store them on? |
| 01:49.00 | drmessano | Youre grasping for straws here |
| 01:49.20 | Shaun2222 | anybody have or know where i can find the Stream kernel driver source... ( LiS ) |
| 01:49.27 | husimon | drmessano: oh i meant in general i need to unload them, they were spitting out errors about missing config files, obviously they have nothing to do with the zaptel problem. |
| 01:49.28 | drmessano | What version of Zaptel, husimon? |
| 01:49.36 | husimon | 1.4.7 patched for redfone |
| 01:49.56 | drmessano | Sure about that patch? |
| 01:50.05 | husimon | it came from their site |
| 01:50.10 | husimon | so i'm sure it's patched |
| 01:50.14 | LancerZ | toddejohnson: thanks. I am mainly looking for config files for 2 different types of phones. I am assuming the config files are different per phone. Can you advise? |
| 01:50.19 | drmessano | Sure it STABLE? |
| 01:50.24 | husimon | I'm probably just going to call them about it |
| 01:50.55 | husimon | or use 1.2 until they fix it |
| 01:51.23 | husimon | LancerZ: i'd look up asterisk and polycom phones and find out what they need to be provisioned |
| 01:51.56 | husimon | LancerZ: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Polycom%20Phones |
| 01:53.01 | b1ch0 | hi everybody, im trying to hear asterisk sound from windows (audacity program) but it doesnt work |
| 01:53.08 | b1ch0 | any idea ? |
| 01:53.16 | husimon | what do you mean hear asterisk sound? |
| 01:53.26 | husimon | create sounds for asterisk? or open the gsm files |
| 01:53.35 | toddejohnson | LancerZ, Mostly they are the same xml format. http://www.asterisktutorials.com/showproduct.php?ProductID=12 |
| 01:53.56 | b1ch0 | open gsm, ulaw and g729 files |
| 01:53.57 | drmessano | b1ch0: You're only gonna hear WAVs |
| 01:54.05 | toddejohnson | LancerZ, They have a nice howto video |
| 01:54.26 | b1ch0 | i want to use spanish sounds |
| 01:54.27 | LancerZ | toddejohnson: thankyou for advice/links. I am checking them out now. |
| 01:54.39 | husimon | you might be able to download a whole spanish set |
| 01:54.43 | b1ch0 | but i want to listen to them before copy in my pbx |
| 01:55.05 | husimon | b1ch0: you can setup a simple number in your dialplan that usees the playback() application |
| 01:55.22 | husimon | which would let you listen to any file you want |
| 01:55.35 | b1ch0 | i have downloaded a set from voipnovatos |
| 01:55.55 | b1ch0 | and just want to listen to it |
| 01:55.57 | husimon | b1ch0: just load them and use the playback application |
| 01:55.59 | drmessano | Si |
| 01:56.00 | sbingner | b1ch0, you can also use sox to play them if you have sound on your linux box |
| 01:56.22 | husimon | http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk+cmd+Playback |
| 01:56.27 | husimon | that too |
| 01:56.30 | husimon | or even convert to wav first |
| 01:57.19 | sbingner | for i in *.gsm; do sox $i `basename $i .gsm`.wav; done <-- will convert all gsm to .wav |
| 01:57.21 | husimon | simple enough to do " exten => 500,1,Playback(yoursoundfile,skip) " |
| 01:57.40 | sbingner | don't ask why I use $i |
| 01:57.54 | husimon | because it's the interator everyone konws |
| 01:57.54 | husimon | heh |
| 01:57.58 | husimon | knows |
| 01:58.01 | sbingner | heh |
| 01:58.04 | husimon | and it's short |
| 01:58.15 | husimon | you wanna know why you use i j and k and l? |
| 01:58.24 | sbingner | because they're after i |
| 01:58.27 | b1ch0 | thanks guys |
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| 01:59.06 | sbingner | amirite? |
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| 02:01.48 | b1ch0 | i supose that i have to add that line on my extensions.conf ... isnt it ? |
| 02:02.01 | b1ch0 | and just call 500 ? |
| 02:02.05 | b1ch0 | :-) |
| 02:02.16 | sbingner | exten => 500,1,Playback(yoursoundfile,skip) <-- yea |
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| 02:05.06 | husimon | i believe you leave off the extension to the soundfile... |
| 02:05.08 | husimon | fyi |
| 02:05.12 | jblack | Heh. the spa8k is an odd creature. sometimes, it ignores an ip. other times, it refuses to reboot. |
| 02:09.20 | jblack | It's just like an eight year old. "Take out the trash". "Ok!"... 5 minutes laster... "did you take out the trash?" "what trash" |
| 02:11.19 | sbingner | lol |
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| 02:14.27 | CrashSys | Anyone ever ran into the park function from features.conf not announcing the parking extension? |
| 02:14.51 | toddejohnson | yes me |
| 02:14.59 | CrashSys | What was the fix? |
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| 02:15.15 | toddejohnson | i asked 5 mins ago still waiting |
| 02:15.24 | CrashSys | Ohh, ok... |
| 02:15.33 | toddejohnson | u running freepbx? |
| 02:15.44 | CrashSys | I'm running Vanilla Asterisk |
| 02:15.50 | CrashSys | with some sprinkles :) |
| 02:16.07 | toddejohnson | what version of asterisk? |
| 02:16.11 | CrashSys | 1.4.17 |
| 02:17.26 | toddejohnson | I have thsame here. |
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| 02:19.43 | CrashSys | DEar god, I told them to spice up the lo mein, I didn't know that included hot sauce plus half a pound of chopped jalapenos :( |
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| 02:36.25 | husimon | do the subversions of zaptel and asterisk have to match up? |
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| 02:53.12 | sbingner | how do you use a function from an AGI? |
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| 02:58.50 | djc_ | gafachi is a pia |
| 02:59.05 | djc_ | apparently you cant register with them unless you provide a phone # they can call |
| 02:59.12 | djc_ | stupid |
| 02:59.48 | djc_ | i could waste my time and go create a free ipkall number, but if they are gonna be assholes about it, then fuck em i'll take my money elsewhere |
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| 03:01.04 | sbingner | lol |
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| 03:01.47 | J4k3 | djc_: I ended up getting a cheap account from vitelity to test with.. and I'm still using them like 2 years later |
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| 03:02.05 | J4k3 | prolly out of being to lazy to port the #'s elsewhere, but their service is pretty decent usually |
| 03:02.16 | weazahl | i called a local phone vendor today, asked them if they could install a MGI for my clients phonesystem so they could get cheaper phone and data services... he told me that they dont do VOIP anymore, they exclusivly sell samsung. so, i said "Wow, stone ages" and terminated the call abruptly. SO.... |
| 03:02.27 | djc_ | oh i have sip service (in and out) from a variety of providers.. im looking on the t.38 support shortlist, and there aint much there |
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| 03:03.24 | weazahl | the buttmuncher calls into my office, and tells on me.. tells my secretary i was rude after he asked for my manager... |
| 03:03.42 | J4k3 | whaaaa |
| 03:03.48 | J4k3 | a SALES DROID pulled this? |
| 03:03.52 | J4k3 | I'd have his ass |
| 03:03.53 | weazahl | im the president, my voice is on the IVR... |
| 03:04.06 | weazahl | yeah, monday, i playback the call for his boss |
| 03:04.20 | weazahl | he was informed his call was recorded. |
| 03:04.20 | J4k3 | I'd have my girlfriend ordering a $100k phone system from him next week... only to terminate the order about the time it all arrived at their facilities :P |
| 03:05.01 | riddlebox | J4k3, we've had people sign the contract then 1 day before the install say no, they almost paid for the system in the restocking fee |
| 03:05.20 | J4k3 | riddlebox: yeah, but that doesn't work when the line of credit never *actually* existed :) |
| 03:05.22 | weazahl | well, since they wouldnt help my client with an MGI, ill gut it all. they have cat5 to all stations. |
| 03:05.26 | riddlebox | lol |
| 03:05.51 | riddlebox | MGI? |
| 03:05.58 | J4k3 | Money Grabbing Interface? |
| 03:06.03 | riddlebox | lol |
| 03:06.18 | weazahl | so once i have that contract, ill go and meet with his boss. and thank his guy for selling $20k for me |
| 03:06.36 | weazahl | Media Gateway Interface.... Fancy ATA |
| 03:07.21 | ManxPower | they have analog? |
| 03:07.34 | weazahl | mixed. |
| 03:07.34 | J4k3 | ah... a media converter for pbx systems |
| 03:07.47 | ManxPower | I meant analog to the telco |
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| 03:08.21 | weazahl | they can get a DS3 for what they are paying for channelized. |
| 03:08.50 | ManxPower | Could you just put Asterisk between the PBX and the telco? |
| 03:08.51 | weazahl | they have T1 for LD and TollFree, analog local trunks |
| 03:09.30 | weazahl | yeah, could. but i dont know squat about avaya |
| 03:10.05 | weazahl | and they dont like their 15+ year old merlin |
| 03:10.25 | riddlebox | speaking of DS3, we get ready to punch down 500 cables and install a 4 T1's and a DS3 for a customer with a Avaya S8300 |
| 03:10.56 | J4k3 | punching down 500 pairs sounds like a blast [not!] |
| 03:10.59 | riddlebox | weazahl, thats what my company's bread and butter is, the legend/magix and partner |
| 03:11.11 | SteveTotaro | just get the cans to do the punching |
| 03:11.24 | J4k3 | thats what we do in texas |
| 03:11.37 | SteveTotaro | that's what we do in DC |
| 03:11.43 | riddlebox | it wont be me, we have guys that do our cabling, but I was there today to help them install the cabinets and cable tray to them |
| 03:11.52 | J4k3 | well, we charge the customer for engineers to do it, then we pay mexicans to do the job, mostly wrong. |
| 03:11.56 | SteveTotaro | hose-a and hose-b |
| 03:12.20 | SteveTotaro | cabling guys here do it right and do it cheap |
| 03:12.24 | weazahl | i guess i could hook up a terminal w/ VNC and pay one of ya that knows avaya to do that part |
| 03:12.37 | SteveTotaro | there are alot of crews to choose from |
| 03:12.45 | riddlebox | weazahl, why, you dont need a terminal transfer *10 |
| 03:14.32 | weazahl | ok, so if i get the 16 port ATA and * up, someone could do the legacy setup remotely for me? |
| 03:15.05 | riddlebox | yeah, why not |
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| 03:16.11 | SteveTotaro | quintum makes a great high density ATA |
| 03:16.35 | weazahl | riddlebox: ok, VM system. they have 4 port merlin mail. the asterisk box could be setup to replace that pretty easily i imagine, right? |
| 03:16.57 | SteveTotaro | no |
| 03:17.06 | weazahl | they cannot forward VM, no IVR, etc. |
| 03:17.22 | weazahl | SteveTotaro: cant pass pin(?) codes right |
| 03:17.24 | riddlebox | weazahl, you would need CLI info to get the calls to load the right box |
| 03:18.46 | SteveTotaro | when i did something similar, i put asterisk in front of the legacy box |
| 03:18.46 | weazahl | ok, deal breaker! rip it out and go VOIP |
| 03:18.46 | SteveTotaro | definity g3 |
| 03:18.46 | riddlebox | SteveTotaro, I love programming the definity series |
| 03:18.47 | SteveTotaro | you would have loved this one |
| 03:18.59 | SteveTotaro | we had the main code to turn on all the features |
| 03:19.20 | riddlebox | dadmin, dadmin1 |
| 03:19.33 | riddlebox | or they paid for all licenses? |
| 03:19.53 | weazahl | ok, so short answer on replacing VM system is 'no'. long is 'yes, but....' |
| 03:20.14 | SteveTotaro | i have no idea, when avaya found out i had their login, they immediately freaked and wanted to dialin |
| 03:20.19 | riddlebox | weazahl, I am attempting to put asterisk on a partner this weekend to see if I can do it, I will let you know if it works |
| 03:20.21 | SteveTotaro | i hungup |
| 03:20.43 | SteveTotaro | but the system was three chassis and full of FXS, FXO, and T1 cards |
| 03:21.04 | riddlebox | SteveTotaro, yeah by default a definity comes with dadmin login, but the first time avaya logs in they change it so you cant do everything, what a crock! |
| 03:22.20 | SteveTotaro | yeah, it was non dadmin though i forget the login but it had the ability to turn on features like hospitality |
| 03:22.34 | SteveTotaro | the owner of that company was REAL shady |
| 03:23.57 | J4k3 | wtf |
| 03:24.05 | J4k3 | somebody changes your passwords, file a lawsuit. |
| 03:24.39 | riddlebox | J4k3, thats how it is for some reason, they just do it, thats why we dont call them if we need support |
| 03:25.43 | djc_ | openpbx |
| 03:25.45 | djc_ | er |
| 03:25.46 | djc_ | bah |
| 03:26.22 | weazahl | i had an evolution box (dont work worth a ***********) and found a backdoor password in the DB. I posted it on my website, and informed them they their stupidity compromised everyone of their customers systems |
| 03:26.32 | weazahl | i was not happy about that at all |
| 03:26.38 | SteveTotaro | no, this was the password that allowed you to turn on licensed features |
| 03:26.47 | SteveTotaro | big time $$$ |
| 03:28.01 | weazahl | they told me that i knew to much about asterisk and that is why i couldnt make their system work. was sad. their backup/restore solution was horrid and failed always |
| 03:28.06 | SteveTotaro | evolution? |
| 03:28.15 | weazahl | intuitive voice. |
| 03:28.44 | SteveTotaro | that is a voice recog system? |
| 03:29.19 | weazahl | no, it is a management IF for asterisk box. a bit like trixbox. but sucks |
| 03:29.37 | SteveTotaro | never heard of it |
| 03:29.42 | plik | s/but/also ;) |
| 03:29.51 | SteveTotaro | worse than freepbx? |
| 03:30.42 | SteveTotaro | switchvox is awesome |
| 03:30.42 | weazahl | i installed a wake-up app. and they tried to tell me that that violated the warrentee and that is why it doesnt work. |
| 03:30.42 | SteveTotaro | only complaint with switchvox was the crappy server they sent |
| 03:30.52 | SteveTotaro | not sure how it is with digium owning them, that was a year and half ago |
| 03:31.04 | weazahl | SteveTotaro: oh yeah... real bad. it took like to days to get it to connect to a provider that wasnt on their 'list' |
| 03:31.10 | SteveTotaro | the server came and would not boot up, it was a piece of junk |
| 03:31.29 | SteveTotaro | and the SATA cable was disconnected to the HD |
| 03:31.47 | SteveTotaro | i "guess" that could happen in shipping |
| 03:32.01 | weazahl | i like freepbx. a few quirks in it. but all in all makes life a lot easier |
| 03:32.05 | SteveTotaro | i really like thirdlane |
| 03:32.15 | SteveTotaro | yeah freepbx is allright too |
| 03:32.29 | SteveTotaro | i am not sure why people bash it so badly |
| 03:32.33 | weazahl | SteveTotaro: intuitive shipped their servers with Halt on all Errors set |
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| 03:32.48 | toddejohnson | Can anyone help me I am trying to get the default call parking to announce where the call is parked for attentded transfers. Any ideas? |
| 03:33.20 | SteveTotaro | what would cause networking to crap out on linux |
| 03:33.44 | weazahl | SteveTotaro: define crap out |
| 03:33.57 | SteveTotaro | my fc 7 desktop is having issues with all networking, two wifi connections and a gigabit port |
| 03:34.03 | SteveTotaro | missing pings |
| 03:34.11 | weazahl | firewall? |
| 03:34.12 | SteveTotaro | things timing out |
| 03:34.16 | SteveTotaro | no firewall |
| 03:34.31 | SteveTotaro | i am just going to format it |
| 03:34.38 | weazahl | ip route ls, shows the correct routes? |
| 03:34.50 | SteveTotaro | yes, i checked all of that |
| 03:35.09 | SteveTotaro | in windows i would remove tcp/ip |
| 03:35.10 | weazahl | SteveTotaro: tried pclinuxos? i like it a lot. |
| 03:35.17 | SteveTotaro | and re-install, not sure about linux |
| 03:35.41 | SteveTotaro | i am going to throw fc 8 on it |
| 03:35.53 | SteveTotaro | is pclinuxos a good desktop distro? |
| 03:36.08 | weazahl | SteveTotaro: duck yeah! |
| 03:36.33 | SteveTotaro | have you tried fc 7? |
| 03:36.50 | SteveTotaro | it is better? |
| 03:37.00 | weazahl | 3d desktop features accually work. better luck with ati than nvidia on 3ddesktop oddly enough. |
| 03:37.34 | weazahl | i have ~8 fc7-8 machines. i put pclinuxos on my laptop and love it |
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| 03:38.28 | SteveTotaro | i am just offloading all my data, onto a 500gb my book |
| 03:38.34 | weazahl | i used fc8 for my HTPC but for desktop workstations... pclinuxos is very nice |
| 03:38.48 | SteveTotaro | yes my htpc is running fc7 |
| 03:39.09 | SteveTotaro | dell dimension 9200 c2d |
| 03:39.11 | weazahl | i need to get off of here and get back to that... i got 1.3TB that i have to get back onto my arrays |
| 03:39.48 | weazahl | stupid non-real raid card |
| 03:40.08 | weazahl | $11 lesson on to cheap to be true |
| 03:40.18 | SteveTotaro | $11, lol |
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| 03:40.53 | SteveTotaro | promise had a cheapo ATA100 card with two connectors |
| 03:40.59 | SteveTotaro | back in the day |
| 03:41.24 | SteveTotaro | you could solder a resistor between ground and a pin and get hardware raid1 |
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| 03:41.52 | weazahl | yeah, 2 sata 1 pata. nice card for $11. they should have to specify SOFTWARE RAID. |
| 03:42.29 | SteveTotaro | well for $11 it was a cheap lesson |
| 03:42.45 | weazahl | i still would have bought it, i just wouldnt have wasted the time trying to do hardware raid when soft worked just fine, only a touch slow |
| 03:43.47 | SteveTotaro | where did you get it? pci what? |
| 03:43.50 | weazahl | i mean, 400Mb over the network aint bad, but could be a touch better if the CPU didnt have to do all the math for the RAID |
| 03:44.37 | weazahl | its a rosewill (newegg brand) pci sata+ide card. |
| 03:46.08 | SteveTotaro | pci-x |
| 03:46.33 | weazahl | i just wanted to get those USB disk out of my living room, so i got GB ethernet, then i could move em to my server. since the server is a nice midtower, i didnt need external anymore. so i got a card and added 3 more devices, totalling 7 disk in this machine... |
| 03:46.51 | weazahl | if it was pci-x, i wouldnt need a sata card now would i? |
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| 03:47.14 | SteveTotaro | nice it was ata66, i have four in a box of parts modded |
| 03:47.41 | SteveTotaro | yes, i could add sata to a few older boxes i have |
| 03:47.57 | SteveTotaro | does it do sata300 or 150 |
| 03:48.08 | SteveTotaro | i guess i can just go to newegg and take a look |
| 03:49.09 | weazahl | i remeber them... i know they sold raid cards. so the raids were the same as the non raids... i hate it when they do that... its like restricter plate, and they will take the plate off for $2k |
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| 03:49.51 | angryuser | good night&day&evening verybody |
| 03:49.55 | weazahl | it is 1.5 the one i got. it had the 1 IDE channel on it to. i needed that so i didnt worry about 1.5 v 3 |
| 03:50.36 | SteveTotaro | g'night |
| 03:51.06 | weazahl | it would be nice if this card didnt scribble on my drives and i can rebuild the array. |
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| 03:51.16 | jameswf-home | trixboys have done it again, they removed mp3 compatibility for performance |
| 03:51.19 | angryuser | i have never worked with card E1/T1 and libpri, are they harder to configure then Misdn b410p ? |
| 03:51.28 | carrar | hahah |
| 03:51.31 | weazahl | but i bet it did |
| 03:51.57 | weazahl | jameswf-home: that is why you have gcc |
| 03:51.59 | SteveTotaro | i wonder if there is a card like that for a 1u server |
| 03:52.09 | *** join/#asterisk osas (n=nnnnnnnn@nslu2-linux/osas) |
| 03:52.18 | weazahl | it has a LP braket |
| 03:52.18 | SteveTotaro | i have some ibm x305s that could use SATA300 |
| 03:52.35 | SteveTotaro | really, now that is interesting |
| 03:52.37 | angryuser | anyone? |
| 03:52.37 | carrar | shouldn't be using illegal copied mp3's anyways :) |
| 03:52.55 | weazahl | but LP is bigger than 1U? |
| 03:53.02 | SteveTotaro | e1/t1 is simple |
| 03:53.12 | SteveTotaro | little learning curve but easy enough |
| 03:53.13 | jameswf-home | what if they are legal coppies offf illegaly burned cd's? |
| 03:53.20 | SteveTotaro | LP should fit 1u |
| 03:53.22 | carrar | create wav |
| 03:53.39 | carrar | or ulaw |
| 03:53.41 | carrar | 729 |
| 03:53.49 | SteveTotaro | slin |
| 03:53.50 | angryuser | SteveTotaro: ok thx, misdn can be a pain in the ass |
| 03:53.53 | carrar | from your illegal cd's |
| 03:53.59 | jameswf-home | bah,,, |
| 03:54.15 | osas | anyone here familiar with SIP_HEADER function? |
| 03:54.21 | carrar | or compile format_mp3.so |
| 03:54.25 | SteveTotaro | how can anyone own a series of 1s and 0s? |
| 03:54.41 | carrar | I own 1 |
| 03:54.44 | weazahl | or, how bout public domain music... since artist are finally figuring out that if they have talent, they can sell tickets and make money. instead of just feeding the RIAA. |
| 03:55.01 | weazahl | but, i could go on about corprate music farms for days |
| 03:55.18 | SteveTotaro | ever see a tv show where they sing "happy birthday to you"? |
| 03:55.23 | SteveTotaro | or a movie? |
| 03:55.27 | weazahl | id like to buy a '2' pat! |
| 03:55.30 | carrar | You'll need to pay ascap for that |
| 03:55.51 | weazahl | im sorry, there are no 2's in the puzzle. next spin please |
| 03:57.03 | carrar | SteveTotaro: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1999_Dec_27/ai_58362686 |
| 03:57.34 | weazahl | both times i saw dresden dolls, they admitted they cant sell records, thanked us for buying tickets and encouraged us to buy $40 t-shirts |
| 03:58.08 | carrar | Thats why for my customers on-hold music, I'll make up a song with their name in it and single it |
| 03:58.13 | SteveTotaro | what happened to the dresden files on sci-fi? |
| 03:58.17 | carrar | errr sing it |
| 03:58.44 | carrar | I'll include the marmonica for a extra $25 |
| 03:58.48 | carrar | harmonica |
| 03:59.09 | SteveTotaro | no need to fix your spelling mistakes to me |
| 03:59.16 | carrar | haha |
| 03:59.28 | carrar | Your three sheets also? |
| 04:00.01 | SteveTotaro | nah, quit drinking over 3 years ago because i would go six or more sheets |
| 04:00.09 | carrar | ouch |
| 04:00.22 | sbingner | anybody have a test number I can call that is in e164.arpa and/or e164.org? |
| 04:00.52 | weazahl | sbingner: thats greek to me so i guess, no |
| 04:01.19 | SteveTotaro | actually, i don't miss it a bit, no hangover, lots more money, lots more time |
| 04:01.32 | weazahl | oh well, i have to go fix this array |
| 04:01.40 | carrar | get a 3ware |
| 04:01.43 | SteveTotaro | I went to WVU |
| 04:01.44 | carrar | w/battery backup |
| 04:02.06 | carrar | SteveTotaro, just drink lots of water |
| 04:02.18 | SteveTotaro | i do, and coffee too |
| 04:02.21 | weazahl | carrar: its just software RAID0 for media. i probably will soon though |
| 04:02.26 | carrar | eek |
| 04:02.28 | weazahl | i might BBL |
| 04:02.30 | jameswf-home | I am going to compile app_mp3 and post it just to annoy em |
| 04:02.40 | SteveTotaro | you should |
| 04:02.50 | SteveTotaro | there is nothing wrong with mp3 |
| 04:02.55 | jameswf-home | suck that performance |
| 04:03.07 | SteveTotaro | this is trixbox you said? |
| 04:03.11 | weazahl | other than fraunhoffer holds patents and wants royalties |
| 04:03.13 | jameswf-home | lol yeah |
| 04:03.15 | carrar | 9550SX-4LP, mirror with spares |
| 04:03.26 | carrar | can't go wrong |
| 04:03.43 | carrar | unless your card dies |
| 04:04.02 | weazahl | thats reassuring |
| 04:04.03 | jameswf-home | there should ba an app_ogg |
| 04:04.12 | weazahl | later all |
| 04:05.07 | SteveTotaro | l8er |
| 04:05.29 | carrar | 9650 |
| 04:05.53 | SteveTotaro | 9650? |
| 04:06.11 | carrar | 3ware |
| 04:06.26 | SteveTotaro | anyone here play with gnuradio? |
| 04:08.02 | *** join/#asterisk jm|home (n=jm|home@zen.jamiem.com) |
| 04:09.01 | SteveTotaro | it would be cool to see an app_gnuradio |
| 04:09.08 | SteveTotaro | much better than app_rpt |
| 04:13.51 | sbingner | jameswf-home, wth would app_ogg do? |
| 04:14.11 | SteveTotaro | play sound files |
| 04:14.13 | sbingner | play ogg files? |
| 04:14.17 | SteveTotaro | vorbis ogg |
| 04:14.22 | sbingner | why not just make format_ogg then |
| 04:14.58 | sbingner | (I think I may have made one of those at some point, then deleted it) |
| 04:15.09 | *** join/#asterisk sergey (n=sergey@91.189.233.71) |
| 04:16.16 | jameswf-home | yeah ogg is the trendy way to ditch mp3's in open source... |
| 04:16.39 | sbingner | better quality + less size usually |
| 04:17.20 | SteveTotaro | hey i asked this before but has anyone seen issues using realtime via mysql on a separate server, the db server is way overkill and on the same switch |
| 04:18.24 | SteveTotaro | if i try to make a call via a sip client configured in realtime, dialing from the sip client could take up to ten seconds to do anything, nothing on the cli |
| 04:18.38 | SteveTotaro | but if i use a static sip.conf entry it is immediate |
| 04:18.54 | SteveTotaro | ping time to the box is .33ms |
| 04:19.12 | jameswf-home | just looked ogg is there allready |
| 04:19.27 | SteveTotaro | running asterisk 1.2.18 and asteriskadd-ons 1.2.6 |
| 04:20.45 | SteveTotaro | i guess a later version of asterisk may have some realtime bugfixes |
| 04:20.54 | SteveTotaro | as well as asteriskadd-ons |
| 04:21.01 | SteveTotaro | for the myslq connector |
| 04:22.59 | weazahl | SteveTotaro: i gained ~150-200GB by using a larger chunk and XFS on my RAID0. |
| 04:23.28 | weazahl | before it was 912GB. now it shows as 1.1TB |
| 04:23.54 | SteveTotaro | huh, that's cool |
| 04:24.08 | SteveTotaro | so the default actually gave you less space? |
| 04:24.50 | SteveTotaro | mmmm, ice cream |
| 04:25.47 | sbingner | food. hate. |
| 04:26.17 | SteveTotaro | ice cream is a frozen drink |
| 04:26.23 | weazahl | sure did, XFS works better for large files. and since this is for media, nothing is smaller than 3MB, stretching to 8GB. so a 128k chunk and XFS. should be alot faster |
| 04:26.52 | weazahl | /dev/md1 1.1T 5.3M 1.1T 1% /mnt/md1 |
| 04:27.18 | SteveTotaro | i just wonder where that extra space came from |
| 04:27.37 | SteveTotaro | is it just wasted or used by ext2/3? |
| 04:28.08 | weazahl | well, larger chunk size means less wasted space tracking chunks, half as much as 64 |
| 04:28.30 | weazahl | XFS is better for large files, not sure if the file table is smaller |
| 04:28.35 | SteveTotaro | the downside? |
| 04:28.43 | weazahl | slower for small files. |
| 04:28.51 | SteveTotaro | ah, makes sense |
| 04:28.58 | weazahl | i dont have them. so i dont see a down side |
| 04:29.17 | weazahl | xfs can delete GBs in seconds |
| 04:30.08 | SteveTotaro | i can delete huge files in seconds too |
| 04:30.20 | weazahl | omg! the 500GB usb i was using to hold stuff is not mounting! |
| 04:30.23 | SteveTotaro | but not tons of small files adding up to googs |
| 04:30.37 | SteveTotaro | ntfs? |
| 04:30.54 | weazahl | i need to go back down stairs to the server.... no ext3.... |
| 04:31.21 | weazahl | shesssh |
| 04:31.43 | weazahl | that 1 at the end of /dev/sdf makes all the diff |
| 04:32.02 | weazahl | i almost shat myself |
| 04:32.31 | weazahl | i was thinking, it will take me weeks to get that porn back |
| 04:34.02 | angryuser | weazahl:easy to fix, goget a girlfriend |
| 04:34.27 | SteveTotaro | lol, mine is sleeping, nice quiet time |
| 04:34.41 | SteveTotaro | thought you were out of here angry |
| 04:35.04 | weazahl | what about the porn we made |
| 04:35.32 | weazahl | at least i got the master DVDs |
| 04:35.43 | SteveTotaro | plus you can always make more |
| 04:36.04 | SteveTotaro | good excuse |
| 04:43.58 | weazahl | yeah, but my butt will be sore if we have to make more porn :D |
| 04:53.37 | jameswf-home | I posted app_mp3.so to the trix forums... $5 bux says my boss gets a call tomorrow (monday) |
| 04:55.17 | drmessano | HA |
| 04:55.54 | drmessano | Thats place is getting SOOOO volatile |
| 04:56.03 | drmessano | "Hey this is broke" |
| 04:56.10 | drmessano | "DID YOU DONATE, ASS?" |
| 04:56.17 | drmessano | I give it maybe 6 months |
| 04:56.22 | jameswf-home | My boss always gets the hey your monkey is throwing poo again calls |
| 04:57.14 | jameswf-home | And I am like dude seriously it was chocolate... promise |
| 04:57.18 | drmessano | lol |
| 04:58.04 | weazahl | you think trixbox is in its death trows? |
| 04:58.06 | drmessano | Its just funny that theres really this huge divide now |
| 04:58.09 | weazahl | throws |
| 04:58.12 | drmessano | No |
| 04:58.14 | drmessano | Well |
| 04:59.02 | jameswf-home | I see a bounty for a server time control module... someone should develop that for pbx, take the bounty (fonality mached) and put it also to freepbx |
| 04:59.06 | drmessano | i think the community is becoming strongly divided due to the fanboys who want to keep the project from dying, based on the FUD that its unsupported and barely scraping by, and the "freeloaders" who want it free and aren't afraid to say so |
| 04:59.37 | jameswf-home | s/pbx/freepnbx/ |
| 05:00.09 | weazahl | well, be like yahoo. dont like paying a vendor, buy them. i.e. zimbra |
| 05:00.11 | drmessano | So anytime you ask for something, or complain, youre an asshole who is asking for something from the fragile owners of the project and shouldnt be asking for soemthing unless you plan to donate $1000000000 |
| 05:00.34 | drmessano | So they've created a divide |
| 05:00.44 | jameswf-home | I thought about a 1,000,000,000 donation and it is the thought that counts |
| 05:00.50 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:01.01 | weazahl | thats pesos right? |
| 05:01.30 | jameswf-home | heck now in pesos hat would be like $100 bucks.. I am a starving coder |
| 05:01.34 | weazahl | who am i kidding, the dollar is making the peso look like a good investment oppertunity |
| 05:02.00 | drmessano | So right now, depending on what you believe.. its underfunded, can't pay its own bills, no one can request anything for fear of fanboys bashing them for being freeloaders, so no growth |
| 05:02.31 | drmessano | I dont think its dying, but I think its at risk of a fork, or something.. |
| 05:03.19 | *** join/#asterisk andrewn (n=andrew@76.191.151.80) |
| 05:03.20 | drmessano | I pay way too much attention.. I guess as a former user I can appreciate the drama based on all my concerns that I see contuning to snowball |
| 05:03.35 | *** part/#asterisk osas (n=nnnnnnnn@nslu2-linux/osas) |
| 05:03.37 | drmessano | s/contuning/continuing |
| 05:03.43 | weazahl | i cant say i would use trixbox in a production install again. i might. but, i think something that polycom will sell you phones for might be a better idea |
| 05:04.33 | drmessano | I think that it's terribly unguided by the community |
| 05:04.39 | drmessano | Nevermind it's other flaws |
| 05:05.55 | weazahl | it works great in my office. the 40 user hotel that i used trixbox in... results have been less than favorable. |
| 05:06.15 | drmessano | Forget the obvious purist concerns over it including FreePBX, it does too much hand holding and forces too many nonstandard defaults on users who then learn these as "standard" |
| 05:06.31 | jameswf-home | http://www.alltrailers.net/fanboys.html << this looks awesome |
| 05:07.00 | drmessano | It's also going to become an ad-filled nightmare and a data mining appliance |
| 05:07.54 | jameswf-home | nah the ads are easy enough to kill |
| 05:08.47 | weazahl | here is a cute thing. my cell phone is an extension so i can use it in a ring group... a Misc. ext. i must use a SIP/. well there is no way to set a CID. so a call inward to the ring group will present CID. a outbound to my EXT will not present CID |
| 05:09.00 | jameswf-home | took all of 2 seconds to kill the freepbx add |
| 05:09.14 | weazahl | they have ads in it now? |
| 05:09.20 | jameswf-home | just 1 |
| 05:09.25 | weazahl | time to fork it |
| 05:09.34 | jameswf-home | only when you connect to their update server |
| 05:09.51 | weazahl | oh, that aint bad. |
| 05:10.02 | drmessano | HA.. loved that |
| 05:10.04 | jameswf-home | its ok cuse the freepbx guys are actualy broke |
| 05:10.24 | drmessano | Yes, FreePBX gets nothing from TB |
| 05:10.32 | drmessano | They deserve a little something |
| 05:10.35 | jameswf-home | not even patches |
| 05:10.35 | *** part/#asterisk Kimitaka (n=swiceje@cpe-065-184-219-014.ec.res.rr.com) |
| 05:10.52 | drmessano | Fonality OWNS trixbox.. but yet, Trixbox is "scraping by" |
| 05:11.03 | drmessano | Total crap |
| 05:11.35 | drmessano | They scrape anonymous data from boxes already |
| 05:11.51 | drmessano | and theres talk of an ad supported GUI |
| 05:11.56 | weazahl | i really wish i had hardware raid. this soft stuff is TOO SLOW |
| 05:12.02 | drmessano | Which will probably happen.. "Feelers" my ass, i'm sure code is ready |
| 05:12.26 | drmessano | More and more reasons to avoid it |
| 05:12.28 | andrewn | drmessano, the cupcakes were very popular today. if you closed your eyes they tasted quite good lol |
| 05:12.33 | drmessano | HAHA |
| 05:14.38 | jameswf-home | mmmmmmmmm cupcakes |
| 05:15.09 | drmessano | OH MAN |
| 05:15.11 | drmessano | I am so dumb |
| 05:15.22 | weazahl | are you kidding, im william shatner. i can score anything |
| 05:15.27 | jameswf-home | I didnt wanna say it |
| 05:15.31 | drmessano | andrewn.. I should have told you to tell them they were "Pudding top" |
| 05:16.02 | drmessano | My aunt made a cake once.. It was one of those that had pudding in the mix.. |
| 05:16.07 | drmessano | She cooks it for 3/4 of the time |
| 05:16.13 | drmessano | It comes out and the middle is raw.. |
| 05:16.33 | drmessano | Cut into it, and the middle RUNS out.. She says "thats a pudding in the mix cake" |
| 05:16.41 | drmessano | No, thats "raw", dumbass |
| 05:17.31 | sbingner | lol |
| 05:18.18 | jameswf-home | I was thinking about it and everyone was ok with the hw audit tool update... You know I can make a post script in my rpms do anything and well so can they so technicaly if you dont look at every rpm thy can run their code that way... |
| 05:18.21 | drmessano | The best part of that trailer was when he smashed the inside of the roof of the van and the lights came on |
| 05:18.31 | drmessano | Im so doing that to my vehicle |
| 05:18.42 | weazahl | load average: 4.63, 4.19, 2.90. i wish this machine had a dual core |
| 05:18.58 | jameswf-home | my laptop is dual core :) |
| 05:20.09 | drmessano | jameswf-home, there is a lot they can do without telling anyone.. and obviously, their ethics are questionable, with Chris Lyman only supporting their "this is business, money is money" attitude with his rants about open source |
| 05:20.13 | weazahl | my laptop has the second fastest amd before the 939s a 3400. the fastest in the socket a is a 3800. and i cant find em for a reasonable price. cant imagine why |
| 05:20.16 | drmessano | I wouldnt trust them with my toaster |
| 05:20.36 | drmessano | Id get it back with ads on every slice |
| 05:21.36 | weazahl | arrange the nichrome wires in a NBC peacock shape. or a Y! |
| 05:21.37 | drmessano | Trixbox is that girlfriend that you never really trusted.. |
| 05:22.16 | jameswf-home | yeah but she was good in bed |
| 05:22.30 | sbingner | just don't let her in your house |
| 05:22.39 | drmessano | Yeah, even if she did smell like your best friends body spray |
| 05:22.58 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:23.11 | jameswf-home | mmm sloppy seconds |
| 05:23.53 | drmessano | Trixbox is Peters girlfriend from Office Space "Dude, I just get a bad feeling about her" "Nah, shes ok" |
| 05:24.04 | weazahl | my friends dont use body spray. even after the petition they still dont |
| 05:24.10 | sbingner | lol |
| 05:25.05 | jameswf-home | dude you slept with lumbergh |
| 05:25.26 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:25.31 | jameswf-home | You can just go ahead and move a little bit to the left. Yeah, that's it. Great. |
| 05:26.00 | drmessano | "Dude, there's ads in there now?" "Yeah, that's their 'O Face'" |
| 05:26.32 | jameswf-home | How dare you judge me? I mean what are you? You think you're some kind of, like, angel here? No, you're just this penny-stealing... wanna-be criminal... man. |
| 05:26.42 | jameswf-home | Yeah, well, that may be. But at least I never slept with Lumbergh. |
| 05:26.52 | weazahl | Local disk space 1.71 TB total, 764.08 GB used. i love moore's law |
| 05:27.26 | drmessano | Trixbox CE 3.0 , Start of every call, "This phone call is sponsored By the FREE version of Fonality's Trixbox PBX" |
| 05:27.53 | jameswf-home | I think we will see the ads in the 2.6 betas |
| 05:28.09 | J4k3 | woo |
| 05:28.11 | drmessano | Wouldnt surprise me |
| 05:28.24 | J4k3 | well |
| 05:28.27 | J4k3 | heres the question |
| 05:28.33 | jameswf-home | Ill release a patch under a pen name as to prevent a call to my boss |
| 05:28.38 | drmessano | HAHA |
| 05:28.40 | J4k3 | why hasn't anyone released an "asterisk distro" that isn't, well, gay? |
| 05:28.51 | drmessano | Hmmm |
| 05:28.54 | jameswf-home | My disro isnt well gay |
| 05:29.05 | sbingner | it's sick gay? |
| 05:29.15 | jameswf-home | lol |
| 05:29.21 | drmessano | I want a distro that's crazy delicious |
| 05:29.41 | weazahl | then make one |
| 05:29.58 | jameswf-home | I am going to rewrite my distro to a debian backend when i get the motivation |
| 05:30.02 | drmessano | DrBoxPBX "Making VoIP Crazy Delicious" |
| 05:30.28 | sbingner | and giving you FREE PAP smears! |
| 05:30.51 | alrs | Asterisk installs pretty easily in Debian. |
| 05:31.03 | weazahl | oh, get this... IBM loves linux an OSS right? then why is it these netvistas will lock up after running (any) linux for 21hrs. but run windows for days and days??? |
| 05:31.08 | drmessano | I'll include a provisioning tool for PAP2s and Grandstreams.. and build my RPMs to not work at all with Ciscos |
| 05:31.11 | jameswf-home | it install easy on anything with common sense |
| 05:31.38 | alrs | jameswf-home: if you're willing to forsake package management, sure |
| 05:32.10 | J4k3 | haha |
| 05:32.15 | jameswf-home | My current build is sourced based on all asterisk components |
| 05:32.49 | J4k3 | I should just clue up and attempt to make a gentoo install that works |
| 05:33.08 | jameswf-home | I say its to remain flexible truth is I am to lazy to make roms |
| 05:33.22 | jameswf-home | *rpms |
| 05:34.41 | weazahl | and why is it that trixbox makes it next to impossible to get a clean X install? sure, you shouldnt use X on a PBX. but you have to admit it would be nice sometimes to fire up X for a few to manage some stuff |
| 05:34.59 | sbingner | not really |
| 05:35.08 | drmessano | Yeah, no X for me |
| 05:35.12 | jameswf-home | never put X on a server.... bad |
| 05:35.14 | weazahl | ok, YOU dont have to |
| 05:35.25 | drmessano | Its not at all necessary |
| 05:35.47 | sbingner | it's only necessary for people who ... would... run things like trixbox.... |
| 05:35.49 | weazahl | like i said, NICE. not required. but nice |
| 05:36.14 | sbingner | X annoys me |
| 05:36.18 | jameswf-home | no giving up stability for toys is not nice |
| 05:36.28 | drmessano | A real ass thing to do would be to extent FreePBX just a little to include the MeetMe panel as a tab.. and you'd have 95% of TB without ads and fluff |
| 05:36.39 | [TK]D-Fender | I have X on my * server... and probably the biggest screen of anyone here :) |
| 05:36.55 | drmessano | and show the users how little they know about what in there |
| 05:36.58 | weazahl | if it is not running, how does that hurt stability? |
| 05:37.00 | drmessano | Just as a proof of concept |
| 05:37.24 | drmessano | "Oh, you mean they dont add that much? |
| 05:37.27 | drmessano | "yep" |
| 05:37.36 | *** join/#asterisk andrewn (n=andrew@76.191.151.80) |
| 05:37.49 | sbingner | [TK]D-Fender, what size? |
| 05:37.49 | jameswf-home | My distro only has freepbx no frames and my users dont omplain |
| 05:38.02 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, 120" :D |
| 05:38.06 | sbingner | lol |
| 05:38.09 | jameswf-home | complain even |
| 05:38.12 | sbingner | yah you got me beat |
| 05:38.18 | drmessano | My main box here is nothing but what I just described.. |
| 05:38.42 | sbingner | wtf do you do with a 10' screen? |
| 05:38.49 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, Movies, duh! |
| 05:38.55 | jameswf-home | sbingner: porn |
| 05:39.23 | sbingner | lol |
| 05:39.31 | sbingner | porn must look AWFUL on a 10' screen |
| 05:39.35 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, a friend of mine has more movies & TV than most have even seen in one place (short of a video store), and I fill up over there regularly. |
| 05:39.38 | sbingner | each pixel like 3" across |
| 05:39.45 | weazahl | my friends wife turned on his 37" viewsonic TV. static jumped through the plastic button to the circuitry and toasted it. it wont post now |
| 05:39.46 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, "actual size" applies :p |
| 05:39.46 | J4k3 | sbingner: its great if you're like 18-24' away |
| 05:39.47 | J4k3 | haha |
| 05:40.00 | drmessano | I redid the Web MeetMe to not suck and work with 1.4, glued it into FreePBX.. and that |
| 05:40.06 | drmessano | is pretty much all one needs |
| 05:40.14 | drmessano | If you want a GUI that is |
| 05:40.20 | sbingner | I only have 400 DVDs, he's probably got me beat too |
| 05:40.29 | drmessano | Damn sheep |
| 05:40.37 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, he downloads.... and 400 doesn't even come close |
| 05:40.38 | drmessano | BAAH BAAH |
| 05:40.50 | sbingner | *nod* I don't download... so yea |
| 05:41.06 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, scary thing is how cheap it is too... |
| 05:41.11 | weazahl | DVD, an archaic media for transportation of 1s and 0s before the advent of high speed data networks |
| 05:41.18 | sbingner | lol |
| 05:41.19 | J4k3 | weazahl: remote controls didn't get popular for no reason :) |
| 05:41.22 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, Projector was 600$, screen $135 |
| 05:41.22 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:41.37 | sbingner | [TK]D-Fender, friend of mine is installing one very similar |
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| 05:41.56 | sbingner | I'm happy with my 60" |
| 05:42.29 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, I still have an 80" screen leftover :) |
| 05:42.32 | sbingner | the 120" is 1080p I assume? |
| 05:42.33 | weazahl | J4k3: its ok, it was a cross shipped RMA for 2 dead pixels. and viewsonic never asked for the broken one back... so we had a spare in the office |
| 05:43.00 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, nope, 800x600, but keep in mind thats enough for DVD and I don't have any HD sources (no cable or satelite) |
| 05:43.06 | J4k3 | mmm those kinds of deals are always nice |
| 05:43.13 | sbingner | yea |
| 05:43.26 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, believe me you really don't miss higher res.... it has that movie theater effect. |
| 05:43.31 | sbingner | you can get a 1080p projector pretty cheap too |
| 05:43.33 | J4k3 | I'm happy with my 15.4" |
| 05:43.35 | weazahl | did i mention the 27" tv they replaced with a 32" they forgot to ask for also? |
| 05:43.44 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, depending on your idea of "cheap" sure.. |
| 05:44.09 | sbingner | heh, less than my 60" flatscreen was ;) |
| 05:44.18 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, 720p would have run me about 1000 at almost half the lumen count. |
| 05:44.33 | weazahl | we dont sell viewsonic anymore. they really suck now |
| 05:44.34 | sbingner | yea I think his is costing about 1500 |
| 05:44.52 | sbingner | weazahl. really? I have a viewsonic monitor that works great... is this recent |
| 05:45.20 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, I was cheap about it because I don't watch that much, and it meant I didn't have to fight with X for the res, etc. |
| 05:45.25 | weazahl | well monitor failures have not been that bad. |
| 05:45.36 | weazahl | but dont get a viewsonic TV for sure |
| 05:45.44 | J4k3 | I can't see ever buying another 'tv' |
| 05:45.54 | J4k3 | I never watch them enough to warrant it |
| 05:46.04 | J4k3 | I'd rather have a nice monitor in the living room :) |
| 05:46.16 | sbingner | I want a 400-disc DB or HD-DVD changer... |
| 05:46.19 | sbingner | BD even |
| 05:46.21 | [TK]D-Fender | sbingner, I'm only watching DVDs and DivX so I though "sure 800x600 is just fine" and it left money in my pocket. |
| 05:46.32 | sbingner | [TK]D-Fender, true enuff |
| 05:46.32 | weazahl | the replacement they sent me for one that had image retention and vertical banding problems had a bright pixel and get this, wont work with a viewsonic remote |
| 05:46.42 | sbingner | [TK]D-Fender, I watch 720p divx a lot tho |
| 05:46.50 | weazahl | but it will work with a RCA using a code search |
| 05:46.51 | J4k3 | haha wtf |
| 05:46.57 | sbingner | er |
| 05:46.58 | sbingner | not divx |
| 05:46.59 | J4k3 | thats goofy |
| 05:47.05 | sbingner | lol |
| 05:47.28 | weazahl | you can see why we didnt feel that inclined to send em back till they asked. and they never did. |
| 05:47.34 | sbingner | H.264 *nod* |
| 05:47.41 | drmessano | I've got a lot of nice Quicktime MOVs |
| 05:47.49 | sbingner | hahaha |
| 05:47.57 | sbingner | drmessano, time to update your porn |
| 05:48.19 | drmessano | Whats wrong with QT porn? It works great in GNUTunes |
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| 05:48.26 | drmessano | j/k |
| 05:48.29 | sbingner | lol |
| 05:48.29 | weazahl | HD porn. See ass zits in great detail! |
| 05:48.42 | sbingner | lol |
| 05:48.59 | drmessano | HD Porn scares me |
| 05:48.59 | weazahl | you cant make this up |
| 05:49.01 | J4k3 | get drunk |
| 05:49.05 | J4k3 | that'll make it look better. |
| 05:49.07 | drmessano | The whole concept |
| 05:49.10 | J4k3 | for a better wanking experience! |
| 05:49.16 | drmessano | Ron Jeremy is UGLY |
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| 05:49.21 | drmessano | MORE ugly in HD |
| 05:49.26 | sbingner | ... |
| 05:49.31 | sbingner | wtf why are you looking at the guys? |
| 05:49.34 | J4k3 | ron jeremy is porn for dudes that still have hope their ugly asses can score a hot girl |
| 05:49.45 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:50.00 | J4k3 | and ron jeremy proves, with enough cash, blow, and bling, you can still nail hot chicks in front of a video camera |
| 05:50.05 | J4k3 | even if you're dog-ass ugly |
| 05:50.15 | drmessano | I just dont want to see his zit covered ass all over my 1080p |
| 05:50.27 | drmessano | Whiteheads are not cool |
| 05:50.28 | weazahl | i have had pretty good luck at that... but, pretty on the outside. rotten in the head seems to be the theme for me |
| 05:50.35 | sbingner | ok, sombeody must have a number I can call to test that's registered in e164.arpa (or .org if not) |
| 05:50.41 | J4k3 | drmessano: herpes sores are worse |
| 05:50.47 | drmessano | sbingner, call an 800 |
| 05:50.51 | drmessano | Err tollfree |
| 05:51.02 | sbingner | drmessano, what 800 number is registered in e164? |
| 05:51.04 | drmessano | Theres a tollfree gateway on ENUM |
| 05:51.05 | weazahl | eww, she has warts... someone should tell that dude. |
| 05:51.22 | sbingner | aah |
| 05:51.23 | drmessano | I make all my tollfree calls over ENUM |
| 05:51.25 | drmessano | works great |
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| 05:51.41 | J4k3 | "I call my girlfriend Linksys" "whaaa" "she has wrts" |
| 05:51.44 | J4k3 | ok, bad joke. |
| 05:51.45 | drmessano | J4k3: Someone get her some cream |
| 05:51.51 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:52.00 | J4k3 | ointment! |
| 05:52.03 | J4k3 | rub it in! |
| 05:52.07 | sbingner | it caled it, but it sucks |
| 05:52.20 | drmessano | Hmm |
| 05:52.29 | drmessano | Ive not had any quality issues |
| 05:52.47 | sbingner | well |
| 05:52.49 | sbingner | it never actually rang |
| 05:52.53 | drmessano | Ah |
| 05:52.54 | sbingner | tried to call 16416418001@sip.tollfreegateway.com |
| 05:52.59 | sbingner | for 18005551212 |
| 05:53.12 | drmessano | hmmm |
| 05:53.29 | sbingner | I think I have an issue in my pattern replacements |
| 05:53.33 | weazahl | i wish i knew why myth likes to run commercial flaging jobs on the slowest machine in my house |
| 05:54.43 | weazahl | its got 5 to choose from and it picks the C1000 if the master frontend is flagging. and leaves 3 2.2G TBirds idle |
| 05:55.53 | drmessano | Is it possible to use Netcat in such a way that I can create a connection outbound from say a clients PBX, that will transverse a firewall and give me a socket somewhere I can use to connect to the box via SSH or HTTP? |
| 05:57.41 | drmessano | Like maybe from their box to a running NC on a my desktop, and I can connect to localhost on some obscure port that will tunnel back into that box.... |
| 05:57.56 | jameswf-home | drmessano: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10879-5779944.html?tag=nl.e011 |
| 05:57.58 | drmessano | Dunno.. Need to man more of NC |
| 05:58.44 | drmessano | ohhh |
| 05:58.44 | J4k3 | weazahl: it doesn't trust the AMD's output? |
| 05:58.45 | J4k3 | ;) |
| 05:59.20 | weazahl | it heard that intels are better maybe? |
| 05:59.48 | drmessano | Thats completely awesome jameswf-home, thanks |
| 06:00.35 | drmessano | I need to play with setting up System() to create and tear it down |
| 06:00.37 | J4k3 | other than Intel always made the super heat |
| 06:01.01 | weazahl | its crazy, that box is wireless, slow. the others are on GB ethernet and decent machines, lots more RAM too. oh well. not like i really care. just funny |
| 06:02.27 | weazahl | well, considering AMDs quads are $230 and intels a $1200. i am not really sure which one i will get. let me check my wallet... yep, nothing there. so it looks like im saving for a phenome |
| 06:03.09 | J4k3 | you can get a good Intel quad for $260ish OEM |
| 06:03.23 | J4k3 | and stick it on a $45 mobo |
| 06:03.33 | J4k3 | you're not going to find an AM2+ board for $45 |
| 06:04.08 | weazahl | that performs about the same as a phenome. but if you want just a little bit more. it's back to doing gay porn to make a few bucks |
| 06:04.23 | weazahl | $69 |
| 06:04.25 | J4k3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115018 |
| 06:04.41 | J4k3 | yeah, but... its an AMD board |
| 06:04.56 | J4k3 | which means its either Via crap, nVidia crap, or ATI^H^HMD crap |
| 06:05.05 | CrashSys | Seems like I have less buss/irq/sata issues on AMD boards... for whatever reason... |
| 06:05.24 | weazahl | i sold a phenome this week. still havent sold an intel quad. |
| 06:05.27 | J4k3 | I have too many weird timing problems on the modern amds |
| 06:05.54 | J4k3 | I mean, my mail server could use it, maybe, sometimes. |
| 06:06.12 | CrashSys | Windows servers need quad just to give you a login-screen |
| 06:06.19 | CrashSys | cause they are busy making sure it's safe to boot |
| 06:06.34 | J4k3 | but, I dunno, I just moved up to dualcore personally... its a significant upgrade... the times I've played with a quad its insignificantly different |
| 06:06.37 | weazahl | danm, its too bad we had power failures a couple months ago. i could show you some uptimes on AMD's compared to my uptimes on my Intels |
| 06:08.09 | CrashSys | I've had a greater occurrence of issues with intel CPU's on intel Chipsets then with AMD CPU's on Nvidia chipsets... |
| 06:08.15 | weazahl | HTPC is a good reason for a quad. 1Core display, 1 core record, 1 core commercial flaging and one is left over to handle those I/Os |
| 06:08.34 | CrashSys | Plus for some reason I get SATA soft-reset issues on intel chipsets... |
| 06:08.37 | sbingner | strange sip.tollfreegateway.com doesn't reply to my INVITE |
| 06:09.27 | weazahl | i will not buy an AMD video card though. nope. not going to happen here |
| 06:13.20 | weazahl | at what point did buying ATI become a good idea. that is a bit like, "lets go do some heroin. that sounds like a good use of my time" |
| 06:14.11 | J4k3 | I dunno... AMD screwed up entirely |
| 06:14.45 | J4k3 | the last time I bought ATI and liked it, was I got a 9500 256-bit and moved a resistor on the gpu case and flashed the bios to make it a 9700 |
| 06:15.14 | J4k3 | then strapped a tbird retail cooler on the GPU, lathered it up with arctic silver, vmod'd it, and ran it overclocked to hell for 2.5 years |
| 06:15.18 | J4k3 | one day I woke up and it didn't. |
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| 06:16.22 | sbingner | can somebody tell me if you can call SIP/16416418005551212@sip.tollfreegateway.com |
| 06:18.13 | weazahl | nope. cant tell ya |
| 06:24.34 | drmessano | sbingner, my calls go to SIP/164164800NUMBER@sip.tollfreegateway.com |
| 06:27.07 | drmessano | Question: How to avoid viruses in Limewire? Answer: STOP USING LIMEWIRE, YOU IDIOT. |
| 06:29.14 | weazahl | i cant tell you how many times we see the same computer a week later with limewire reinstalled and has viruses again |
| 06:30.47 | alrs | sbinger: why not just use 1800NUMBER@sip.tollfreegateway.com |
| 06:31.00 | alrs | sbingner: or are you testing some new e.164 stuff on there? |
| 06:31.08 | drmessano | Will that work? |
| 06:31.18 | drmessano | My dial command shows what he pasted |
| 06:32.02 | drmessano | hmm |
| 06:33.35 | drmessano | eww |
| 06:34.36 | drmessano | Ok, that works too |
| 06:34.43 | jblack | I'm bored. |
| 06:35.12 | drmessano | so 800number@sip.tollfreegateway.com is cool |
| 06:35.23 | jblack | Yah. |
| 06:35.33 | jblack | I'm using the mnow too. prior to that I was using fwd |
| 06:35.36 | drmessano | Ive always let enum handle it |
| 06:35.44 | jblack | actually, I still have fwd as a backup to enum |
| 06:35.46 | drmessano | Never tried it direct |
| 06:36.11 | jblack | heh. enum, not mnow. |
| 06:36.16 | alrs | jblack: the same people that run sip.tollfreegateway.com have a freenum itad, as well |
| 06:36.36 | jblack | alrs: freenum itad? What's that? |
| 06:36.52 | alrs | jblack: itad=internet telephony administrative domain |
| 06:37.10 | alrs | they're handing out numeric domains in an enum address space on freenum.org |
| 06:37.29 | alrs | so orgs get their own domain such as "262" for fwd |
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| 06:37.41 | jblack | huh. Yet another toy for me. |
| 06:37.45 | alrs | so if you want to call the fwd conference at 514, you dial "514*262" |
| 06:38.20 | *** part/#asterisk suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124.120.243.65.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 06:38.20 | jblack | Ahh, sort of like sip broker |
| 06:38.39 | alrs | jblack: yeah, but this is an iana-supported project |
| 06:38.44 | alrs | http://www.iana.org/assignments/trip-parameters |
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| 06:39.31 | jblack | I'm getting the impression that mere mortals need not apply. |
| 06:39.42 | alrs | why not? |
| 06:39.49 | alrs | They give you a whole howto on freenum.org |
| 06:40.06 | jblack | "ISN provides an easy way for campuses, enterprises, and service providers to acquire globally-unique and globally-routable subscriber numbers to support new communications services." |
| 06:40.29 | drmessano | hmmmm |
| 06:40.46 | drmessano | Thats interesting |
| 06:41.08 | alrs | http://freenum.org/cookbook/#requesting-an-itad-for-your-domainhttp://freenum.org/cookbook/#requesting-an-itad-for-your-domainhttp://freenum.org/cookbook/#requesting-an-itad-for-yourhttp://freenum.org/cookbook/#requesting-an-itad-for-your-domainhttp://www.instructables.com/id/Solar-Cell-Phone-Charger-made-from-old-parts |
| 06:41.14 | alrs | er, |
| 06:41.19 | alrs | http://freenum.org/cookbook/#requesting-an-itad-for-your-domain |
| 06:41.27 | alrs | They gave me one |
| 06:41.32 | alrs | *827 |
| 06:41.49 | alrs | and if you're on fwd you can just use that as your isn |
| 06:42.01 | alrs | <fwd#>*262 |
| 06:42.25 | jblack | Then I better hop on the boat before they change their mind |
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| 06:48.14 | drmessano | Hmmm |
| 06:48.21 | drmessano | I wonder if they will reg my LLC |
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| 06:48.31 | alrs | they registered me |
| 06:48.33 | alrs | and I'm just some guy |
| 06:48.34 | drmessano | BigGirlsSmallJackets.com, LLC |
| 06:48.46 | drmessano | Cool |
| 06:49.49 | jblack | I'm working through it now. |
| 06:49.57 | docelmo | does anyone know if GET DATA agi command is broken in 1.4? |
| 06:50.04 | docelmo | Cause its not working.. |
| 06:53.20 | jblack | How is are ENUM and ITAD faring against one another? |
| 06:54.27 | alrs | ITAD is ENUM based |
| 06:55.00 | alrs | it just maps to its own namespace instead of trying to salvage e.164 |
| 06:55.13 | jblack | Pardon, how does it fare against e164.org |
| 06:56.57 | alrs | I get the impression that freenum has more capacity to scale than does e164.org |
| 06:58.00 | jameswf-home | scalibility is overraed |
| 06:58.09 | drmessano | So is speeeling |
| 06:58.11 | alrs | I'm attracted to ITAD because I think that numeric addressing is going to stick around |
| 06:58.19 | jameswf-home | deefinateely |
| 06:58.41 | alrs | but I'm not that interested in welding my identity to a telephone number controlled by the carriers |
| 06:58.48 | drmessano | my wiff saws I speel ral good |
| 06:59.28 | drmessano | alrs: thats one reason I appreciate ENUM |
| 06:59.45 | drmessano | Well |
| 07:00.02 | drmessano | Not the DID <> Address mapping |
| 07:00.13 | drmessano | But their pool of numbers |
| 07:00.21 | drmessano | It's just 8000 digits long |
| 07:00.41 | jblack | Heh. The origination of ITAD, from the perspective of e164.org, is hilarious. |
| 07:00.57 | drmessano | I havent implemented my pool of assigned ENUM numbers because I cant count that high |
| 07:01.09 | drmessano | So I use it for the basic DID <> Address mapping |
| 07:01.10 | jblack | "ISN/ITAD was designed primarily for educational institutions in the US to try and avoid legislation relating to law enforcment......the regulator in the US took the more pragmatic approach that if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck then it probably is a duck....." |
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| 07:02.17 | wasme | hi |
| 07:02.21 | drmessano | So if I have 678 as my ITAD, we should be able to exchange ext*itad as a number, correct? |
| 07:02.29 | drmessano | err |
| 07:02.32 | drmessano | ext*678 |
| 07:02.36 | alrs | yup |
| 07:02.42 | alrs | I'm 2839*827 |
| 07:02.45 | jblack | If you've setup * to take advantage of ITAD, that should be, yes. |
| 07:02.46 | drmessano | Thats wicked |
| 07:03.07 | alrs | or you can just use a freeworlddialup ext |
| 07:03.11 | jblack | Seeing as how it relies on dns, I bet you don't even need to be in ITAD to use it. |
| 07:03.14 | alrs | with that I'm 91876*262 |
| 07:03.19 | alrs | nope |
| 07:03.28 | alrs | exten => _X.,1,Dial(SIP/${ENUMLOOKUP(+${EXTEN},sip,,1,freenum.org)}) |
| 07:03.56 | docelmo | Does anyone know of a way to check and see what variables are set in the channel? |
| 07:04.05 | wasme | I'm trying to convert an ilbc file to speex. But Ubuntu's asterisk package is missing ilbc support. So I took codec_ilbc.so and format_ilbc.so out of an rpm and put them in the appropriate directory. But file convert still says "No such format 'ilbc'" ... does this mean I have to compile all of asterisk myself to get ilbc support? |
| 07:04.43 | docelmo | why the hell wouldnt you build it from source to begin with? |
| 07:05.05 | alrs | I've never seen the need to build asterisk from source, ever |
| 07:05.46 | docelmo | I hack code all the time.. So I do.. I guess the novice would enjoy packages.. But I find them a pain in the ass |
| 07:06.16 | alrs | Not just the novice, I have done this stuff professionally. |
| 07:06.56 | drmessano | I built from source "Just because" and ended up needing it later when I wanted to add jabber support |
| 07:07.02 | drmessano | So it has its advantages |
| 07:07.30 | drmessano | Otherwise, and in most cases, no |
| 07:07.55 | jameswf-home | need source for mfc/r2 |
| 07:08.45 | jameswf-home | freeswitch has allot of cool toys damn forks |
| 07:09.06 | docelmo | Anyone know why AGI GET VARIABLE would show it being returned in the CLI but stdin doesnt show the result? |
| 07:10.12 | docelmo | its funky.. I use GET VARIABLE early in the script and it works fine.. I use it after using the READ application and I cant pull back the damn data from it. |
| 07:15.44 | drmessano | Im bored |
| 07:25.32 | jblack | me too. |
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| 07:28.52 | drmessano | I want to break something |
| 07:29.27 | jblack | Install trixbox. It'll break your heart. |
| 07:30.00 | drmessano | LOL |
| 07:30.06 | drmessano | Been there, done that |
| 07:34.04 | jblack | hmm. the crysis demo is 1.6 gigs. |
| 07:43.11 | drmessano | jblack: You see what I said in channel earlier about the police scanner + asterisk? |
| 07:48.55 | x86 | drmessano: i missed it, but sounds cool |
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| 07:48.57 | x86 | whats up? |
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| 07:52.00 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o bkruse_home] by ChanServ |
| 07:52.15 | drmessano | Its simple to do with a spare ATA |
| 07:53.06 | jblack | drmessano: No, missed it |
| 07:53.30 | jblack | Oh, I know that. |
| 07:53.48 | jblack | I was actually thinking about doing it through moh, though. |
| 07:53.58 | drmessano | Ah |
| 07:53.59 | jblack | Just use the otherwise-useless onboard sound on the server |
| 07:54.29 | drmessano | Theses docs for using line-in for MOH.. so it shouldnt be hard at all that way |
| 07:54.34 | drmessano | Theres* |
| 07:54.41 | jblack | That's what I figure. |
| 07:55.26 | moellerdk | Does anybody have any experience using iCall.com as SIP provider? I'm also n00b as to what they mean by "Tier 1 numbers" and "Tier 2 numbers". |
| 07:55.41 | drmessano | I have one of my scanners on Icecast |
| 07:55.44 | drmessano | Off and on lol |
| 07:56.22 | jblack | yah mozilla. |
| 07:56.50 | jblack | Canonical Inc. has really done an excellent job of bring that windows experience to the free software world. |
| 07:57.08 | drmessano | heh |
| 07:57.27 | jblack | I told you about the grub mess I had to deal with over reboot? |
| 07:58.59 | jblack | A long while back, they went from ide naming to uuid naming. then, they went to scsi naming. Now, they're back to uuid naming. |
| 07:59.38 | jblack | Each time I find out after the fact that not only did they change things up again, but that they didn't bother to update grub's menu.list. |
| 08:00.53 | jblack | I can take a shot at /dev/hda1, or /dev/sda2 for the root filesystem, but there's no way i can take a random stab at root=UUID=1f00b700-02f5-4326-a6c5-b34144fa2f8d |
| 08:01.17 | jql | least they could do is allow wildcards |
| 08:01.22 | jql | UUID=1f* |
| 08:01.43 | jblack | for all I know, you can. |
| 08:02.15 | jblack | But with no way to search for root filesystems in grub, that would still be a 1 in 2^8 chance of finding it |
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| 08:05.24 | drmessano | Nicwe |
| 08:05.25 | drmessano | Nice |
| 08:06.01 | jblack | yeah, that's why it took me three hours. |
| 08:06.23 | nephfl | my asterisk says it doesnt know what the MYSQl application is, an i have installed the addon package |
| 08:06.34 | jblack | The alien zombies could have started their big attack, and I would have been none the wiser for hours. |
| 08:06.45 | jql | nephfl: did you load it? |
| 08:07.00 | nephfl | where do i need to do that? |
| 08:07.08 | jql | modules.conf |
| 08:07.13 | drmessano | lol.. good ole ubuntu |
| 08:08.20 | jblack | Maybe he does. I prefer software that runs. |
| 08:08.26 | jql | insightful |
| 08:08.42 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:08.44 | jql | however, I'll stick with the cocaine, and leave the crack to y'all |
| 08:09.24 | jblack | Leave it to a South African to try and turn free softare into a drug trade, eh? |
| 08:10.02 | jql | this ubuntu junk is the shit, man |
| 08:10.32 | jblack | huh. Wait until taking down your system results in no internet, no phone and no TV. |
| 08:10.56 | nephfl | is there a page with instructions on loading the mysql application? |
| 08:10.58 | drmessano | If they based Trixbox on Ubuntu, the alliance of the fates would be complete |
| 08:11.01 | jblack | I feel like I'm stuck on the side of a road with a broken down car when mercury is sick. |
| 08:11.15 | jblack | drmessano: Only if they integrated xbox live.... |
| 08:11.20 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:11.22 | *** join/#asterisk oej (n=olle@218.Red-80-34-119.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:11.33 | drmessano | Trixbuntu Live |
| 08:11.34 | drmessano | I love it |
| 08:11.44 | drmessano | Trixbuntubox Live |
| 08:11.53 | jql | nephfl: sometimes, I load apps using 'module load app_foo.so' from the console |
| 08:11.55 | jql | YMMV |
| 08:12.18 | drmessano | Trixbuntubox Live - "ZOMG I CAN DO EVERYTANG NOW!" |
| 08:12.29 | jblack | TrixbuntuNOW LiveDVD w/ support for Lindows archives. |
| 08:12.54 | jblack | Heh. s/lindows/linspire |
| 08:13.37 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:15.37 | jblack | sheesh. 2 hours to download the 1.8 gig crysis demo. |
| 08:15.48 | *** join/#asterisk tc3driver (n=huh@rrcs-24-199-16-118.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 08:15.53 | drmessano | Ubuntu 9.11 Stanky Suzy: Coming soon |
| 08:16.01 | jblack | lol! |
| 08:16.48 | jblack | speaking of stanky.. you seen mary-kate lately? |
| 08:17.08 | jblack | http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20080123/285.ledger.olsen.012308.jpg . |
| 08:17.35 | drmessano | Dang |
| 08:17.52 | jblack | She looks like an aids infested skeleton with a crack problem. |
| 08:18.10 | drmessano | "Ubuntu really works for me because I totally love pokemon" |
| 08:18.41 | drmessano | I just made that up lol |
| 08:18.55 | jblack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.02 | drmessano | No way |
| 08:19.10 | jblack | no quotes, of course. |
| 08:19.27 | J4k3 | wow mary-kate needs to lay of the yayo |
| 08:19.29 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:19.48 | J4k3 | she's sucked so much blow up her nose she caved her cheeks in from the vacuum |
| 08:20.01 | drmessano | Next time some I know OD's on prescription drugs, im totally calling Mary-Kate |
| 08:20.15 | drmessano | Fuck OnStar.. I get in a wreck, first call is to Mary-Kate |
| 08:20.28 | jblack | I'd never buy something with onstar in it. |
| 08:20.58 | drmessano | Her cell phone needs to be in ENUM |
| 08:21.10 | J4k3 | onstar... wtf is that analog shit gonna do for you after feb 18th?! |
| 08:21.19 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:21.21 | jblack | j4k3: Very new systems have the new modules. |
| 08:21.27 | J4k3 | ahh |
| 08:21.27 | drmessano | The newer stuff is digital |
| 08:21.28 | drmessano | yeah |
| 08:21.34 | J4k3 | my girlfriend took the module out of her cadi |
| 08:21.35 | jblack | Cars as young as 1 year are fucked permanantly. |
| 08:21.44 | J4k3 | when she purchased it |
| 08:21.45 | jblack | Some, that is |
| 08:22.15 | J4k3 | I dunno... I like her car... mostly cuz you can tap a few buttons and it spits out the profuse quantity of logged ECU errors due to the fact its a GM vehicle. |
| 08:23.00 | drmessano | My Daihatsu didn't come with OnStar, but something called "HappyFastHelp".. I havent figured out how to use it really, but it does play Leekspin if I take a corner too fast |
| 08:23.31 | J4k3 | haha... my hyundai came with a "Good luck" card. |
| 08:23.37 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:23.43 | J4k3 | "heres the 800 to roadside assistance... good luck!" |
| 08:24.02 | drmessano | Yeah, how long does it take to send a tow truck from Seoul? |
| 08:24.29 | *** join/#asterisk reber (n=reber@193.253.213.73) |
| 08:25.34 | J4k3 | well, the problem with hyundai is all their parts (and their roadside assistance people) are in california |
| 08:25.54 | J4k3 | so your car breaks down, and some hyundai mechanic fixes your shit, and it comes back ready to break worse. |
| 08:25.59 | J4k3 | due to the moron that just worked on it |
| 08:26.19 | J4k3 | thats why I have at least 2 bent valves on my 2.7L... the engine *was* fine, all it needed was an accessory belt tensioner |
| 08:26.32 | J4k3 | the mechanic that misdiagnosed the noise also didn't get the repair right... go figure |
| 08:27.25 | J4k3 | (he decided he should replace the crank pulley on the timing belt...) |
| 08:27.30 | drmessano | I remember going to KIA for an oil change at 58,000 miles.. 2k before my engine warranty ran out... |
| 08:27.46 | drmessano | "get the timing chain replaced.. trust us" |
| 08:28.01 | J4k3 | timing belts on 4 cylinders tend to go early |
| 08:28.09 | J4k3 | they're pretty violent |
| 08:28.16 | J4k3 | 3's are even worse |
| 08:28.38 | drmessano | I knew at that moment.. I was lorraine bracco in GoodFellas when Jimmy (DeNiros character) tried to get her whacked |
| 08:28.55 | drmessano | "No, the third door" |
| 08:29.02 | drmessano | "keep walking" |
| 08:29.27 | sbingner | meh, e164.arpa numbers don't seem to all actually work... bastards. |
| 08:29.44 | drmessano | What do you mean? |
| 08:30.08 | sbingner | I found a couple URLs that didn't work |
| 08:30.10 | jblack | drmessano: e164.arpa is practically unused by anyone, so I imagine he's just figuring it out. |
| 08:30.23 | sbingner | heh |
| 08:30.29 | jblack | sbingner: Give e164.org a try. |
| 08:30.31 | sbingner | e164.org 1800-numbers didn't even work |
| 08:30.34 | drmessano | ok |
| 08:30.44 | jblack | Yes they do. |
| 08:30.48 | sbingner | right now? |
| 08:30.51 | drmessano | Works fine here |
| 08:30.53 | sbingner | hrm |
| 08:30.54 | jblack | maybe not at this exact second, but I'll try it now |
| 08:31.12 | drmessano | yep |
| 08:31.15 | drmessano | Just dialed one |
| 08:31.35 | sbingner | you can reach 16416418005551212@sip.tollfreegateway.com ? |
| 08:31.45 | sbingner | my box just sends packets out and gets nada back |
| 08:31.55 | jblack | 1641641 800 555 1212 |
| 08:31.57 | sbingner | 1-800-555-1212 |
| 08:32.06 | jblack | Why don't I just dial 8005551212 and make sure it went through enum |
| 08:32.11 | sbingner | it did |
| 08:32.14 | sbingner | but you can :) |
| 08:32.25 | sbingner | it'll resolve to that heh |
| 08:32.29 | jblack | yup, fine here. |
| 08:32.36 | jblack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.42 | jblack | Ahh. |
| 08:32.42 | sbingner | wtf... |
| 08:32.48 | jblack | Dont' mind me then, I'm just slightly behind the curve. |
| 08:33.00 | sbingner | so there's something wrong on my end |
| 08:33.05 | drmessano | LOL |
| 08:33.07 | sbingner | but I can reach other sip servers |
| 08:33.09 | drmessano | Well |
| 08:33.15 | drmessano | 2 of us have it working |
| 08:33.21 | drmessano | and I cant even spell akerisk |
| 08:33.26 | sbingner | lol |
| 08:33.28 | jblack | It's the conspirasey |
| 08:33.36 | drmessano | I R TOTLE NEWBORN |
| 08:33.39 | sbingner | either of you behind nat? |
| 08:33.44 | drmessano | I am |
| 08:33.47 | jblack | U R SUX0RS! |
| 08:34.03 | drmessano | U R WINDOZ MELENIAM |
| 08:34.08 | jblack | sbingner: I'm effectively not natted. |
| 08:34.18 | J4k3 | U R TEH VISTAR |
| 08:34.20 | jblack | (Actually, the phone is _double_ natted) |
| 08:34.21 | drmessano | Why should NAT even matter? |
| 08:34.22 | J4k3 | VISTAR PROS |
| 08:34.39 | jblack | with sip? |
| 08:34.45 | drmessano | For ENUM |
| 08:34.48 | jblack | let me count the ways. |
| 08:34.52 | drmessano | Dude |
| 08:34.53 | sbingner | drmessano, trying to figure out why I get no responses from them is all |
| 08:35.05 | sbingner | ENUm resolves fine |
| 08:35.08 | drmessano | NAT shouldnt matter at all with what youre doing here |
| 08:35.09 | sbingner | I just can't reach the url |
| 08:35.12 | drmessano | ok |
| 08:35.14 | jblack | wait.. did you and I get into it earlier, sbingner, about UDP vs. tcp? |
| 08:35.21 | sbingner | jblack, hush |
| 08:35.33 | drmessano | U R MSCE VISTA |
| 08:35.42 | sbingner | heh |
| 08:35.46 | jblack | Karma is so nice, when it's not my turn to pay up. |
| 08:36.10 | jblack | seriously, though... Do a sip debug. |
| 08:36.12 | drmessano | U R TRAXBOX FtOCC |
| 08:36.20 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:36.27 | jblack | jbot: smack drmessano back into sense |
| 08:36.28 | jbot | ACTION smacks drmessano back into sense upside the head. |
| 08:36.43 | jblack | feel better buddy? |
| 08:37.07 | drmessano | Trixbox FtOCC = man asterisk && man freepbx && man apache && man php |
| 08:37.10 | J4k3 | jbeeeeaaah! |
| 08:37.24 | jblack | I think you got a temporoary trixbox virus that caused you to go temporarily stupid. |
| 08:37.31 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:37.53 | J4k3 | trixbox... for her pleasure |
| 08:37.56 | drmessano | Mac user |
| 08:38.02 | drmessano | !!11!!! |
| 08:38.03 | J4k3 | oh shit |
| 08:38.04 | J4k3 | now thats cold |
| 08:38.10 | J4k3 | and its not mac 'user' |
| 08:38.12 | jblack | hey. 1 hour and 33 minutes to go for crysis |
| 08:38.13 | J4k3 | its mac 'weenie' |
| 08:38.20 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:38.31 | J4k3 | used in a sentence: "this fuckin' mac weenie wants technical support" |
| 08:38.42 | drmessano | Go back to iChat, Aquaspooge |
| 08:38.59 | jblack | what are the ingredients in aquaspooge? |
| 08:39.17 | J4k3 | a macintosh and a mac weenie? |
| 08:39.20 | jblack | inquiring minds want to know |
| 08:39.21 | drmessano | Dig + OSX + iPhone.. Shake well, post often |
| 08:39.25 | drmessano | Digg + OSX + iPhone.. Shake well, post often |
| 08:39.55 | sbingner | jblack, sip debug doesn't tell me much when I get no packets back from them |
| 08:40.06 | J4k3 | but GSM blows too hard in rural america... I need a CDMA model |
| 08:40.12 | sbingner | trying to look for them at my upstream router now |
| 08:40.14 | drmessano | "Apple R c0me out with new case.. Digg this liek to front page ZOMGGGG CENSURSHIP" |
| 08:40.30 | jblack | J4k3: Here, found you something: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm |
| 08:40.54 | J4k3 | a... |
| 08:40.55 | jblack | sbingner: Actually, it does tell you a bit. |
| 08:40.56 | J4k3 | ~book ? |
| 08:40.57 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 08:40.57 | *** join/#asterisk adjohn (n=adjohn@pc-a80127.wlan.inet.fi) |
| 08:40.58 | J4k3 | haha |
| 08:41.06 | jblack | you can look to see what the calling address is. |
| 08:41.24 | jblack | I bet their machine, no matter how well intentioned, is going to send packets back to 192.168.2.98 |
| 08:41.36 | jblack | is not going to, that is. |
| 08:41.43 | *** part/#asterisk adjohn (n=adjohn@pc-a80127.wlan.inet.fi) |
| 08:41.56 | jblack | If they're address properly, then at least you know to sit on your router and see if they're being dropped. |
| 08:42.20 | jblack | It's possible you didn't forward the _10,000_ ports that * defaults to. |
| 08:42.32 | sbingner | jblack, yea |
| 08:42.34 | J4k3 | TEN THOUSANDS |
| 08:42.48 | drmessano | The penultimate Digg healine: "Ron Paul uses iPhone to thank Mark Shuttleworth for help dual booting OSX / Ubuntu on Macbook Pro" |
| 08:43.06 | drmessano | s/healine/headline |
| 08:43.08 | jblack | heh |
| 08:43.24 | jblack | He's effectively out of it now, right? |
| 08:43.33 | drmessano | Was he ever NOT? |
| 08:43.40 | drmessano | Except for Digg? |
| 08:43.50 | jblack | good point. |
| 08:44.00 | J4k3 | you forgot to blow steve jobs somewhere in that line. |
| 08:44.13 | drmessano | ZOMG he got .00000005% of the vote!!!!! THE INTARWEBS WORK! |
| 08:44.30 | J4k3 | cuz, we all know, everyone cares what steve jobs does |
| 08:44.43 | drmessano | "Steve Jobs likes mustard on his iDog" |
| 08:44.50 | jblack | iMustard. |
| 08:44.55 | J4k3 | steve jobs has a nano-sized iDOng |
| 08:45.09 | J4k3 | iDong, a voip phone for mac weenies |
| 08:45.27 | jblack | J4k3: You're a very refreshing person. You remind me of my ex-wife |
| 08:45.47 | drmessano | I think its great how he's made a career based on flagrant fanboyism and unwaving attention to details nobody really gives a shit about, except Mac users |
| 08:46.10 | J4k3 | gapple |
| 08:46.19 | jblack | What? You thought Hubbard was the only one that could turn a cult into a multi-million dollar business? |
| 08:46.25 | drmessano | "OMG, THE USB PORTS R VERTICAL!!" |
| 08:46.49 | drmessano | "THE ON BUTTON CHANGES COLORS" |
| 08:47.07 | jblack | Well, I wouldn't mind having that acceleration sensor. That is kinda cool. |
| 08:47.25 | drmessano | Good lucking finding that piece of crap that looked like a sunflower |
| 08:47.26 | J4k3 | so get a wii controller and have a blast. |
| 08:48.24 | J4k3 | (wii awesome, nintendos nazi 3rd party game licensing sucks...) |
| 08:48.44 | *** join/#asterisk defsdoor (n=andy@defsdoor.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 08:49.03 | jblack | J4k3: You've got a lot of amazing opinions! |
| 08:49.16 | drmessano | If youre really that hard up to use something so ungodly different from windows that people accuse you of being an elitist fanboy, surely theres a flavor of Linux you can choose instead |
| 08:49.25 | jblack | Vim or Emacs? Red or Blue? With or without mayonaise? |
| 08:50.09 | jblack | drmessano: Heh. Where do you think mac people come from? They're people that couldn't figure out how to install/manage a linux distribution |
| 08:50.23 | drmessano | Yeah, and people that cant right click |
| 08:50.38 | J4k3 | I'd say at least half the mac users out there purchase their systems as an excuse to be completely worthless with their computer. |
| 08:50.54 | sbingner | fixed it, heh... except they have 2 addresses and one says sip unreachable |
| 08:50.54 | sbingner | 22:50:43.959190 IP 69.64.170.36 > 192.168.1.3: ICMP 69.64.170.36 udp port sip unreachable, length 556 |
| 08:51.06 | drmessano | Where the crap is the Open-Apple key? Damnit! |
| 08:51.17 | sbingner | the other one works tho |
| 08:51.18 | jblack | If you were using sip over tcp, you wouldn't have this problem. =) |
| 08:51.27 | sbingner | jblack, yes I would |
| 08:51.38 | sbingner | jblack, they aren't accepting traffic on 5060 on one of the hosts |
| 08:51.41 | jblack | Fair enough. You might have this problem. |
| 08:51.41 | drmessano | Adjust your RWIN size |
| 08:51.52 | sbingner | I just wouldn't have had the problem I had a moment ago |
| 08:51.54 | sbingner | :p |
| 08:51.55 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:52.14 | drmessano | It could be an MTU issue, reformat |
| 08:52.18 | J4k3 | my typical operating scenario with mac users... mac weenie: "I can't do..." me: "well, I have no idea, I use windows and in windows it works like this" mac weenie: "omg my computer is so much better than that blahblahblahblahsunshineandroses" me: "so... you figure out how to do what you wanted to do yet" them: "no" me: "may you get toxic shock syndrome from the apple I'm requesting you shove up your ass" |
| 08:52.23 | jblack | we need to move to ipv6 so that it's a moot point. |
| 08:52.36 | drmessano | HAHA |
| 08:52.45 | sbingner | I have ip6, do you? |
| 08:53.00 | jblack | not out here. |
| 08:53.04 | J4k3 | sbingner: does your ISP hand it off, or is it one of those highly inefficient tunnel scenarios? |
| 08:53.14 | sbingner | heh |
| 08:53.17 | *** join/#asterisk ming_zym (n=ming_zym@124.14.234.36) |
| 08:53.24 | sbingner | actually I'm using 6to4 |
| 08:53.28 | sbingner | works quite well |
| 08:53.42 | sbingner | you use the nearest-router anycast address |
| 08:53.45 | sbingner | for outgoign packets |
| 08:54.23 | drmessano | J4k3, maybe you can help me, do you have Norton Antivirus for OSX? My machine didnt come with it :````( |
| 08:54.25 | sbingner | my last ISP actually gave me ip6... but they were too expensive |
| 08:54.28 | J4k3 | drmessano: oh lord... do they really make such a creature? :) |
| 08:54.34 | drmessano | Probably |
| 08:54.34 | jblack | I think it'll take the US government to issue mandates. |
| 08:54.44 | sbingner | jblack, they have.... |
| 08:54.48 | drmessano | They make Symantec Antivirus for Linux |
| 08:54.49 | sbingner | to the military |
| 08:54.52 | sbingner | and they don't even listen |
| 08:55.02 | J4k3 | the military is like... "fuck it, we got nat" |
| 08:55.11 | jblack | They mostly did, kinda. The mandates were heavily bugged. |
| 08:55.18 | drmessano | "We're .mil, suck it" |
| 08:55.25 | sbingner | no, the military is like.. fuck it, we got class-Bs out the ass |
| 08:56.02 | jblack | I mean a real mandate. |
| 08:56.06 | sbingner | I had two class-Bs at my last job |
| 08:56.09 | sbingner | heh |
| 08:56.14 | sbingner | for one base :p |
| 08:56.39 | J4k3 | of course, that /22 is just about used up |
| 09:00.55 | tc3driver | I think my boss is officially the cheapest person on the earth :/ 120 handset asterisk system about 62K US and he says "too expensive" and I came in at less than half of any other voip people :/ |
| 09:05.20 | drmessano | 62000? |
| 09:05.32 | J4k3 | must have been a nice setup for >$500/phone total |
| 09:05.40 | drmessano | No kidding |
| 09:05.43 | *** join/#asterisk r0d3nt (i=nobody@pinky.ratman.org) |
| 09:06.41 | J4k3 | I'm feeling pretty tight with my P3 and the $35ish grandsucks |
| 09:06.54 | J4k3 | $500-a-phone... gold plated baby. |
| 09:06.55 | drmessano | 120 $250 phones and $30000 machine |
| 09:07.02 | tc3driver | the servers were the largest part of the bill followed by the phones themselves |
| 09:07.19 | drmessano | $30000 for the servers? |
| 09:07.22 | J4k3 | why would you need to spend that much on servers for a 120 phone network? |
| 09:07.27 | jql | gold heatsink |
| 09:07.31 | drmessano | No shit |
| 09:07.55 | jql | 120 phones... ~10 megabits |
| 09:08.02 | jql | 80s tech |
| 09:08.03 | jql | heh |
| 09:08.12 | tc3driver | about right... less for the phones about 200 each, the rest was making up for a poor wire job |
| 09:08.25 | jql | although you'd probably have used a hub back then. big no-no |
| 09:08.38 | drmessano | $7000 PoE Cisco switches |
| 09:08.43 | tc3driver | c-mon they were 2 raid 10 boxes set up to be redundant to eachother |
| 09:08.54 | drmessano | wow |
| 09:09.32 | tc3driver | dell poe switches |
| 09:09.39 | J4k3 | jql: in the 80s... you'd probably daisy chaining coax around the office |
| 09:09.42 | tc3driver | not even cisco |
| 09:09.46 | J4k3 | ... arcnet maybe :) |
| 09:09.49 | tc3driver | ROFL |
| 09:09.58 | jql | bnc me |
| 09:10.00 | tc3driver | each server was about 15 grand |
| 09:10.01 | drmessano | 120 extensions.. dual RAID 10 boxes |
| 09:10.07 | drmessano | Can I bid on it? |
| 09:10.16 | drmessano | Please |
| 09:10.19 | drmessano | Please |
| 09:11.00 | drmessano | 15 grand for an Asterisk box for 120 users? Couldnt find the 800 number for Cisco? |
| 09:11.07 | jql | heh |
| 09:11.26 | tc3driver | didn't want cisco :P |
| 09:11.36 | jql | to each his own |
| 09:11.45 | jql | helping the economy, and all that |
| 09:11.47 | tc3driver | besides... it is not like it is going in a proper data center |
| 09:12.11 | tc3driver | power sucks where we work... |
| 09:12.20 | drmessano | No wonder your boss said no... I would have told you "Dont bother turning in your keys, we've already changed the locks.. now GTFO" |
| 09:13.05 | tc3driver | lets see here I cut shoretell in more than half |
| 09:13.08 | jql | I'd be sticking 24-port PoE switches and UPSes behind people's desks |
| 09:13.16 | jql | sideways, of course |
| 09:13.22 | drmessano | lol |
| 09:13.38 | jblack | 59 minutes to go |
| 09:13.51 | tc3driver | if you saw the layout you would know, that way wouldn't work |
| 09:13.54 | drmessano | tc3driver: This is where people really.... bother me.. The argument "Its cheaper than ____" doesnt cut it |
| 09:13.59 | J4k3 | I'd be running it all back into the office and running it all off a reasonably good 24 or 48V battery bank |
| 09:14.11 | jql | people and their silly mega-chassis 1500-watt switches and patch panels |
| 09:14.48 | drmessano | Prices are derived from proper equipment selection, labor, and suitable markup.. not the effective best comparison to the competition |
| 09:15.11 | drmessano | If that were the case, I could sell Asterisk for $5000 less than Cisco, with a $12000 markup, and be swimming |
| 09:15.16 | drmessano | Thats not really the point |
| 09:16.32 | jql | there's a reason I'm not responsible for hardware provisioning... |
| 09:17.33 | drmessano | My former assistant wanted a fax system for our office.. Im thinking "Cool, maybe Hylafax or something".. He comes back to me with a $12000 system, which was cheaper than this other $16000 system, to replace 6 fax machines |
| 09:17.38 | drmessano | Ive never laughed so hard |
| 09:17.51 | jblack | are you serious? |
| 09:17.57 | drmessano | Yes |
| 09:18.00 | tc3driver | I wanted to make sure that there would be 0 stuttering problems, with 50+ lines lit up at peak times... I wanted to be sure... maybe I went a little overboard... but meh... |
| 09:18.03 | jblack | Why do I not have a job? |
| 09:18.07 | drmessano | "But.. its $4000 cheaper than _____" |
| 09:18.27 | jblack | There are so many well employed, legally certified morons... |
| 09:18.40 | jql | location, location, location |
| 09:18.55 | drmessano | So, he pushed me on it... |
| 09:19.06 | drmessano | So I decided I needed a laugh |
| 09:19.23 | drmessano | and I told him to email my regional manager and ask him what he though |
| 09:19.26 | drmessano | thought* |
| 09:19.29 | jblack | lol |
| 09:19.41 | drmessano | My regional replied back "eFax is good" |
| 09:19.50 | drmessano | He was CRUSHED |
| 09:19.55 | drmessano | It was great |
| 09:20.13 | jql | awesome |
| 09:20.26 | drmessano | I tired to get him to look at something linux based, but he couldnt find the Start Menu shortcut for Linux |
| 09:20.29 | drmessano | tried* |
| 09:20.35 | tc3driver | ROFL |
| 09:21.06 | tc3driver | I'll be the first to admit that I am completely new to phone systems... |
| 09:21.16 | *** join/#asterisk adjohn (n=adjohn@pc-a80127.wlan.inet.fi) |
| 09:21.23 | drmessano | tc3driver: never would have guessed :) |
| 09:21.28 | tc3driver | this was just one of those "we want you to try this" things |
| 09:21.44 | drmessano | I think you'll find you could get by with less |
| 09:21.54 | drmessano | and maybe make that quote more reasonable |
| 09:22.25 | jblack | This fax talk reminds me. I need to run a couple more lines. |
| 09:22.51 | tc3driver | the question would be how much less? where is the safe break off point for processing power, from the research that I did, it seems that in voip systems the most important component was the processor |
| 09:23.08 | jblack | tc3driver: How many concurrant calls? |
| 09:23.14 | tc3driver | 50+ |
| 09:23.19 | J4k3 | a $255 core2quad can handle more calls than you have handsets |
| 09:23.38 | J4k3 | the issue I see is disk I/O |
| 09:23.38 | drmessano | tc3driver: start off by checking some of the sites that offer PBX systems based on Asterisk |
| 09:23.53 | jblack | that's why you stick 4 gigs in the boxes |
| 09:24.01 | drmessano | See what level they place "100 user systems" "150 user systems" |
| 09:24.06 | drmessano | That can be your guide |
| 09:24.12 | J4k3 | bah, asterisk work with 64 bit? 8 is cheap these days. |
| 09:24.48 | jql | I can't imagine how to cause asterisk to use 4 gigs, let alone 8 |
| 09:25.03 | J4k3 | jql: disk cache can be helpful |
| 09:25.09 | jql | I'm not sure I want to know |
| 09:25.26 | jql | I have about 100MB of disk files |
| 09:25.33 | jql | nothing to read, there |
| 09:25.49 | jql | my shit is weak |
| 09:25.50 | J4k3 | well, theres voicemail |
| 09:26.16 | jql | ahh, that's what I'm missing |
| 09:26.21 | J4k3 | but yeah, its extreme overkill |
| 09:26.41 | J4k3 | vmail for 120 users shouldn't ever get bigger than maybe a few gigs |
| 09:29.23 | drmessano | Just as a quick comparison... The most expensive TB appliance is $3300 |
| 09:29.33 | jblack | yeah, I was just doing the math on 50 concurrant voicemails |
| 09:30.24 | drmessano | Theres no reason to buy a DL385 with a SAN for Asterisk lol |
| 09:30.27 | jblack | 32 megabits, 4 megabytes. |
| 09:30.27 | tc3driver | so uhhh... 4 quad cores was a bit much? |
| 09:30.31 | jql | <1MBps |
| 09:30.47 | jblack | I was figuring filesystem access. figured you were covering the processor. |
| 09:31.34 | drmessano | LOL |
| 09:31.39 | drmessano | 4 Quad Cores is a bit much |
| 09:32.00 | J4k3 | 1 for asterisk, 3 for gaming |
| 09:32.21 | jblack | 4 gigs of ram, 2 contemporary drives in raid 1, the filesystem would be covered well. |
| 09:32.34 | J4k3 | in reality you could prolly run it all just fine on a $75 "pentium dual core" (e2xxx series c2d) or a cheap athlon64 |
| 09:32.45 | J4k3 | with a 2-drive RAID1 |
| 09:32.53 | J4k3 | and be perfectly content with its performance |
| 09:33.22 | tc3driver | O_O |
| 09:33.37 | tc3driver | where did my calculations go so horribly wrong :/ |
| 09:33.55 | jblack | I haven't gotten a good feel on processor usage yet. 3 or 4 concurrant calls don't even register in top with a 3.2ghz dual core. |
| 09:33.56 | drmessano | Because youre an IT guy |
| 09:34.04 | drmessano | IT and Telephony don't mix |
| 09:34.08 | jblack | * is all it's doing? |
| 09:34.09 | J4k3 | imac? :D |
| 09:34.13 | J4k3 | haha |
| 09:34.39 | drmessano | IT guys think a 4 x 10 core system would work well for anything |
| 09:34.47 | drmessano | I am one, so I know |
| 09:34.53 | J4k3 | (I've been meaning to look around for a usable OS for an imac for web-terminal use... no storage, etc.) |
| 09:34.56 | jblack | I think they would suck for pdas. :) |
| 09:35.01 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 09:35.04 | drmessano | Yes, too thick |
| 09:35.06 | tc3driver | ROFLMAO |
| 09:35.19 | jblack | "Man, this pda smokin, but it only lasts for 2 seconds" |
| 09:35.31 | tc3driver | maybe a little too much heat generation... would be nice on those cold mornings though |
| 09:35.32 | drmessano | tc3driver |
| 09:35.34 | J4k3 | jblack: 3 or 4 concurrent calls don't register a noticable amount of time on my P3-700 |
| 09:35.38 | drmessano | Just remember this |
| 09:36.09 | drmessano | Somewhere there is a 120 user NEC system hanging on a wall somewhere with as much power as a 386 |
| 09:36.26 | drmessano | Add in Linux, transcoding, etc.. and scale UP from there |
| 09:36.27 | J4k3 | yeah, but its also a pure TDM backplane too, afaik |
| 09:36.37 | J4k3 | the 386 is simply switching calls, not actually handling the data |
| 09:36.48 | drmessano | Dont go with "ZOMG I NEED A SERVER FOR A DATACENTER" and scale DOWN |
| 09:36.57 | tc3driver | we currently have a nec phone system :/ |
| 09:36.58 | drmessano | true |
| 09:37.02 | jblack | I imagine you start running into timing problems long before you start getting noticeable cpu saturation |
| 09:37.52 | J4k3 | well... maybe not really |
| 09:38.04 | J4k3 | a sip call can handle what, 50ms jitter before a human notices? |
| 09:38.28 | J4k3 | 50ms @ 2.4ghz*4 = a holy shitpile of cycles |
| 09:38.41 | jblack | This is anecdotal, but I've noticed problems with mythtv and * on the system system. |
| 09:39.06 | J4k3 | what was your input device on mythtv? |
| 09:39.06 | jblack | on the same system, as they're both realtime apps, and mythtv isn't particularly well behaved. |
| 09:39.13 | jblack | 2 hdtv tuners. |
| 09:39.29 | J4k3 | I can make my P3-700 based * lag with a dd if=/dev/zero of=filename bs=1024k count=# |
| 09:39.32 | jblack | bit bangers. It's far from an ideal solution. It's just a little more than the scheduler can handle. |
| 09:39.33 | drmessano | Im gonna try using an X100p as a timing source |
| 09:39.37 | drmessano | $25 is worth it |
| 09:39.39 | J4k3 | to its crappy IDE drive. |
| 09:39.53 | J4k3 | drmessano: that might actually be useful |
| 09:40.09 | drmessano | TK says its WAY better than ztdummy |
| 09:40.25 | jblack | In 30 hours, the machine's already done 86 mil context switches. |
| 09:41.01 | J4k3 | hrm drmessano, how much are true x100p's going for |
| 09:41.06 | drmessano | Im gonna grab one from ePay and see if I can hammer ir |
| 09:41.08 | drmessano | it |
| 09:41.20 | drmessano | Well, how do you define "True x100P" lol |
| 09:41.21 | *** join/#asterisk defsdoor (n=andy@defsdoor.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 09:41.32 | J4k3 | an x100p that generates accurate usable time |
| 09:41.37 | J4k3 | I mean, I have a $10 "x101p" |
| 09:41.44 | J4k3 | an intel 536ep iirc. |
| 09:41.46 | drmessano | LOL |
| 09:41.48 | drmessano | yeah |
| 09:41.52 | drmessano | $25 or so |
| 09:41.55 | drmessano | for a real X100P |
| 09:42.02 | drmessano | for a "real" X100P |
| 09:42.09 | jblack | Anybody know offhand how to check the timeslice size in 2.6.x? |
| 09:42.44 | J4k3 | thats not bad at all |
| 09:43.08 | J4k3 | if it improves accuracy |
| 09:43.37 | J4k3 | the intel modems I got as x101p's... they seem to SUCK resources |
| 09:43.49 | J4k3 | they generate something along the lines of 10k interrupts/second, which kicked the little P3's ass. |
| 09:44.29 | drmessano | $19 + $10 shipping |
| 09:48.39 | J4k3 | hrm |
| 09:48.53 | J4k3 | with SIP, is there any way to control the packet/second count? |
| 09:49.10 | J4k3 | like, I'm used to seeing 50 pps both ways (20ms samples) |
| 09:49.23 | J4k3 | could I use, say, 40-50ms samples instead to lower traffic? |
| 09:49.48 | J4k3 | (I ask because we're using half-duplex 802.11 for some of our customers... high pps = hassles) |
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| 10:00.48 | sbingner | J4k3, you'd probably have to hack source... I haven't seen anything in configs... |
| 10:03.16 | sbingner | J4k3, pretty sure it's possible tho... |
| 10:03.27 | sbingner | I KNOW you can with h323, heh |
| 10:03.38 | drmessano | Good god |
| 10:03.40 | sbingner | wsqait.. I think it was avaya SIP |
| 10:03.47 | sbingner | either way not * |
| 10:03.51 | drmessano | Ever heard of a SOHO Conference card? |
| 10:04.36 | drmessano | Unless I am COMPLETELY missing something |
| 10:04.40 | drmessano | http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=748&searchid=550330 |
| 10:04.53 | drmessano | Thats a $99 $25-Soundcard |
| 10:05.17 | sbingner | lol |
| 10:06.14 | sbingner | Echo Cancellation <-- maybe that? |
| 10:06.19 | drmessano | If your soundcard is that shit, buy a Sound Blaster |
| 10:06.36 | drmessano | Sure.. Any Sound Blaster decent card could do that |
| 10:06.45 | J4k3 | its not even a sound card |
| 10:06.49 | drmessano | My internal card does echo cancellation |
| 10:06.54 | sbingner | read the note down at the bottom |
| 10:06.56 | J4k3 | you daisy chain it between your sound card and your speakers and mic |
| 10:07.00 | drmessano | I know.. its a loopthru echo canceller |
| 10:07.01 | sbingner | it actually just forwards audio to your sound card |
| 10:07.01 | J4k3 | yeah, its prolly just a delay |
| 10:07.20 | sbingner | yah or you could just do it in software |
| 10:07.26 | drmessano | I think my SB-128 would do that much lol |
| 10:07.49 | J4k3 | well, the thing is |
| 10:08.02 | J4k3 | look at conference phones... they want $600 for an entry level phone |
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| 10:08.49 | drmessano | Conference phone pricing is WAY stupid |
| 10:08.56 | jql | I'd gladly pay the $600 if it actually did the conferencing. :) |
| 10:09.16 | sbingner | lol |
| 10:09.42 | drmessano | lol |
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| 10:15.00 | drmessano | I should sell green and red telephony socks |
| 10:15.11 | drmessano | Great geek gift |
| 10:15.39 | drmessano | Then offer yellow and black ones.. "thats my other line" |
| 10:16.49 | drmessano | Everyone else sells total crap on eBay |
| 10:16.55 | drmessano | Why not I? |
| 10:31.44 | defsdoor | turned out the line was duff |
| 10:39.36 | J4k3 | hmm |
| 10:39.40 | J4k3 | "voice frames per tx" |
| 10:39.47 | J4k3 | is an option on my grandsuck phones |
| 10:41.25 | jql | indeed |
| 10:41.32 | jblack | wow. crysis looks like a movie. |
| 10:41.47 | J4k3 | I'm assuming thats just holding back 'x' frames before dumping them to ethernet |
| 10:42.10 | J4k3 | so the same quantity of packets, just potentially less collissions on a hub'd network? |
| 10:43.08 | jql | no, frames are 10 or 20ms intervals |
| 10:43.11 | jql | I forget which |
| 10:43.42 | jql | sends fewer packets when bigger |
| 10:48.59 | sbingner | J4k3, but then a collission would cause a larger amount of data to be lost... you probably only want to increase the size of the packets if you have very low packet loss |
| 10:49.31 | sbingner | each frame is probably 20ms - that's what it is on Avaya |
| 10:49.39 | sbingner | and * |
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| 11:10.54 | jblack | drmessano: So.. I'm on comet. My daughter has luna. Mercury is in the closet, neptune in the kitchen, and pluto in my bedroom. |
| 11:11.03 | jblack | Wanna guess the hostname for my vista-box? =) |
| 11:12.49 | *** join/#asterisk Qapf (n=Qapf@stevenson-17-241.resnet.ucsc.edu) |
| 11:13.33 | jblack | university of carolina south carolina? |
| 11:13.52 | Qapf | hey guys, a question. i have 2 asterisk boxes talking to one another via a connection that while it drops no packets, has wild swings in latency from 30ms to over 300ms at times, im playing with jitterbuffer in 1.2 but i can't seem to make the problem go away. anyone have any hints or clues at what i can do to improve call quality on my trunk? |
| 11:14.25 | jblack | how do you know you're not dropping packets? |
| 11:14.38 | jblack | and is the latency caused by a saturated link |
| 11:14.40 | Qapf | watching the connection between the systems |
| 11:14.44 | Qapf | and no |
| 11:14.56 | Qapf | single call, plenty of bandwidth, problem is line quality sucks |
| 11:15.00 | Qapf | but nothing i can do about it |
| 11:15.10 | Qapf | never buy dsl in mexico |
| 11:15.26 | jblack | what are you using? iax2? |
| 11:15.28 | Qapf | yes |
| 11:16.41 | jblack | I'm looking about |
| 11:17.19 | Qapf | thanks |
| 11:18.47 | jblack | did you turn on forcejitterbuffer ? |
| 11:19.22 | jblack | also, consider setting maxjitterbuffer higher. |
| 11:19.22 | Qapf | not during the day's calls. just turned it on now |
| 11:19.27 | Qapf | maxjitterbuffer is 1000 |
| 11:19.38 | Qapf | the line is, of course, perfectly normal at 3am |
| 11:19.47 | Qapf | but business hours hit and it goes nuts |
| 11:19.52 | jblack | That's probably too high. That's going to force 1 second latency. |
| 11:20.16 | Qapf | i would rather people have to put up with 1 second latency than get bad call quality, but true. ill probably lower that |
| 11:20.19 | jblack | how about resyncthreshold? (I'm reading these off http://www.asterisk.name/asterisk/0596009623/asterisk-app-a-sect-1.html , by the way) |
| 11:20.30 | jblack | You said worst case was 300ms, right? |
| 11:20.32 | Qapf | don't have it defined, whats a good value |
| 11:20.53 | Qapf | ive seen as high at 300ms |
| 11:20.58 | Qapf | wouldn't put it past to go a bit higher |
| 11:21.14 | jblack | I'd set it to 450 myself (worst+50%). |
| 11:21.29 | jblack | Sure, you may get noice once a day, but you'll make conversations much more comfortable |
| 11:21.38 | Qapf | true |
| 11:22.19 | *** part/#asterisk hunnad (n=hunnad@58.100.56.140) |
| 11:22.20 | jblack | I'd just just read it youself. I don't think I can put what it says in a way that makes more sense. |
| 11:22.26 | *** join/#asterisk hunnad (n=hunnad@58.100.56.140) |
| 11:22.30 | Qapf | i am, rather good document |
| 11:22.32 | Qapf | thanks for the link |
| 11:23.11 | Qapf | is jitterbuffer improved in 1.4 beyond applying to non-iax calls? |
| 11:23.48 | jblack | honestly, no idea. |
| 11:24.04 | jblack | I don't have a latency problem up here, so I've never had to fiddle with jitter |
| 11:24.53 | Qapf | lucky |
| 11:25.22 | Qapf | last question, know any good tools for automated call quality metrics? part of my problem here is i have people complaining and i have no real data to say "calls sound this bad" |
| 11:25.37 | Qapf | or conversely, calls sound this good, shut up and stop bitching |
| 11:25.38 | jblack | hmmm. |
| 11:26.04 | jblack | how about... adding an option to dial to not hang up, and giving them the # option to hang up. Then, ask them to rate things on a scale of 1 - 5/ |
| 11:26.12 | jblack | Just an idea, mind you. |
| 11:26.33 | Qapf | true |
| 11:26.34 | jblack | I don't know of anything offhand that reports dropped packet counts or anything |
| 11:26.47 | Qapf | oh well, to google i guess |
| 11:26.50 | Qapf | thanks for the help |
| 11:26.52 | jblack | basically, after their call, but before they hang up, ask |
| 11:26.57 | jblack | sorry I've been very little help. |
| 11:27.20 | Qapf | hey, any information is more information :) |
| 11:28.21 | jblack | I'd force jitterbuffer on on both sides, get the queue down to 450ms (which leaves 150ms of packet after worst known), and get a better grasp of what resyncthreshold does. |
| 11:28.49 | *** join/#asterisk MACscr (n=Mark@adsl-75-23-65-35.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) |
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| 11:29.31 | MACscr | anyone here use callcentric? i cant for the life of me get inbound routing to work based on DID |
| 11:30.49 | jblack | set verbose=10 and debug 10. |
| 11:31.01 | jblack | Odds are it's going to extension DIDNUMBER in the context you set for the peer. |
| 11:31.16 | jblack | (asterisk -r is where you set those options and watch) |
| 11:31.31 | jblack | However, if you've got a firewall or nat in the way, that could also stop calls. |
| 11:32.10 | *** join/#asterisk tuntap (n=13@BSN-77-58-164.dsl.siol.net) |
| 11:33.42 | tuntap | i've few questions; |
| 11:33.54 | tuntap | is it clever to run asterisk in vmware ? |
| 11:34.52 | MACscr | jblack: it works if i just dont filter calls by DID and setup my IVR to play for any DID/CID. So i know that part works. Here are some snippets from my log output |
| 11:34.52 | MACscr | http://pastebin.ca/873263 |
| 11:35.13 | tuntap | i have a sip phone from my telephony provider and would like to replace it with an asterisk box; do i need any special parameters from my provider ? |
| 11:35.40 | MACscr | tuntap: should be the same registration details |
| 11:35.51 | MACscr | who is your provider? |
| 11:36.34 | tuntap | www.t-2.net |
| 11:37.13 | MACscr | and they use true sip thats compatible with asterisk? |
| 11:37.24 | MACscr | most likely is, but its always good to make sure |
| 11:39.10 | tuntap | i don't know about that, but some 6 months ago they said they're not ready yet for such configuration due to unresolved billing issues... |
| 11:40.03 | tuntap | and that it will be solved in near future |
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| 11:48.32 | MACscr | do i need to put each trunk on a different port? such as 5060 and 5061? |
| 11:51.34 | mosty | MACscr, if you're behind nat, or have multiple clients using the same ip, it's a good idea |
| 11:52.06 | MACscr | mosty: the asterisk box is at a DC and all extensions will be at remote locations and behind nat |
| 11:52.31 | *** join/#asterisk Nicopatch (n=Nicopatc@unknown.adsl.dreamscene.be) |
| 11:52.40 | MACscr | asterisk box is not behind nat |
| 11:52.41 | Nicopatch | hi all |
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| 11:54.24 | [gnubie] | is it a good idea to put i and t extensions for every context in my dialplan? |
| 11:55.45 | BBHoss | MACscr: no, all your trunks can run over 5060 |
| 11:56.05 | Nicopatch | I am searching for a way to create MGCP channels on asterisk; I've seen on the wiki it is not possible in the last release, but is there a way ? (with an .agi or anithing?) |
| 11:56.18 | Nicopatch | any* |
| 11:56.39 | BBHoss | Nicopatch: if you're not using SIP or IAX2, then you're going to have trouble :( |
| 11:57.12 | bkruse_home | h323? :[ |
| 11:57.15 | BBHoss | they seem to be the best supported, the other transports seem neglected and dilapidated |
| 11:57.32 | bkruse_home | Nicopatch: call file you could TRY |
| 11:57.34 | BBHoss | yeah 323 is alright but its not as good as the sip and iax implementations (i've heard) |
| 11:57.48 | Nicopatch | well, i've seen rtc too |
| 11:57.54 | bkruse_home | nah 323 is dead |
| 11:58.02 | bkruse_home | well, channel driver in asterisk anyways... |
| 11:58.08 | BBHoss | exactly |
| 11:58.41 | MACscr | i really hate setting up a polycom without tftp. |
| 11:58.50 | BBHoss | Nicopatch: just wondering, what exactly do you have that needs MGCP |
| 11:59.13 | BBHoss | MACscr: use ftp, its got the benefits of TFTP with more advantages |
| 11:59.33 | Nicopatch | my isp provide voip based uppon mgcp auth |
| 11:59.45 | BBHoss | damn i didnt realize it was 6am :) |
| 11:59.49 | MACscr | BBHoss: i only need to setup 1 phone |
| 11:59.49 | BBHoss | Nicopatch: ooh too bad |
| 11:59.56 | MACscr | so i shouldnt have to go through that much trouble |
| 12:00.05 | Nicopatch | :''( |
| 12:00.48 | BBHoss | are there no other ITSPs in Belgium that support SIP |
| 12:01.07 | *** join/#asterisk _ys (n=yuri@236-069.nat.mns.ru) |
| 12:02.29 | Nicopatch | I've thought to plug an mgcp hardphone on my pc, or anithing else, to asterisk feel as an rtc, or else *-) |
| 12:03.18 | Nicopatch | i know i will suxx but, really need :( |
| 12:03.32 | BBHoss | rtc? |
| 12:03.56 | Nicopatch | mmm physical telephony network |
| 12:05.11 | BBHoss | so whats the reason you can't use a different VoIP provider? maybe someone like packetnet... |
| 12:06.19 | Nicopatch | I have some sip providers, and would like to build bridge btw its and this mgcp line |
| 12:06.25 | Nicopatch | on asterisk |
| 12:06.59 | BBHoss | ok i think i understand |
| 12:07.50 | BBHoss | well the MGCP driver for asterisk sucks first of all, second of all its really designed to be a server for cisco phones and such, not connecting to a provider |
| 12:08.37 | Nicopatch | yep: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+MGCP+channels |
| 12:09.59 | BBHoss | heh $40 bounty, big whoop! |
| 12:11.14 | Nicopatch | :D |
| 12:11.22 | Qapf | anyone know what the output of iax2 jb debug means? |
| 12:12.55 | BBHoss | Qapf: its the debug for the iax2 jitterbuffer |
| 12:13.32 | *** part/#asterisk hunnad (n=hunnad@58.100.56.140) |
| 12:14.36 | Qapf | BBHoss, yes but its a stream of letters, do you have a key for what each letter means? |
| 12:14.55 | BBHoss | heh no idea, you could pastebin it and ill see if i can make any sense out of it |
| 12:15.10 | Qapf | heh |
| 12:15.25 | Qapf | http://pastebin.com/m61b684b8 |
| 12:15.35 | Qapf | the interesting shit in the middle corresponds to a drop in audio |
| 12:17.03 | BBHoss | that is interesting, no idea what it means though |
| 12:17.58 | Nicopatch | mmm I could emulate an usb hardphone as a 56k modem... lol |
| 12:20.33 | Nicopatch | damn |
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| 12:40.57 | thevoipforum_org | new community resource available http://thevoipforum.org/forum_index/ |
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| 13:00.30 | mocker | thevoipforum_org: You already posted that last week. |
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| 14:00.22 | [gnubie] | what is the proper way to add if statement in the dialplan if the entered number is a member of a "foo" context.. otherwise returns an invalid audio output.. this is for an auto-attendant |
| 14:03.39 | mosty | [gnubie], use GotoIf |
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| 14:06.59 | [gnubie] | ok |
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| 14:45.37 | riddlebox | what pc specs do you guys recomend for a system that will start off with 6 phones, 7-8 trunks, and the possibility to grow to 20-30 phones and a T1? or do you recomend upgrading if they get that big? |
| 14:47.03 | mosty | 7-8 trunks? transcoding? |
| 14:49.26 | mosty | the base level server pc from dell should be able to handle that i think |
| 14:49.33 | mosty | or anyone else |
| 14:49.42 | defsdoor | yeah - difficult to buy a new pc that couldn't |
| 14:50.42 | defsdoor | I've not seen cpu get busy unless something else is running |
| 14:52.25 | riddlebox | mosty, I could get away with ulaw transcoding, |
| 14:53.09 | _ShrikE | riddlebox: I've got 30 phones and a PRI running off a 2.4g P4 and it's never under any real load. |
| 14:53.11 | riddlebox | do you guys think I can a dell pc, or an actual server |
| 14:53.38 | riddlebox | cool |
| 14:54.48 | riddlebox | this guy is excited to get asterisk in his business, it will cost him a fraction of the Vodavi XTSip he bought for his other site |
| 14:55.27 | mosty | riddlebox, a 2Ghz p4 machine would probably be fine. so just buy a new machine from dell (or similar) and you should be fine |
| 14:55.37 | riddlebox | his company is even wanting to just put me on their payroll as the IT staff for this area |
| 14:56.01 | riddlebox | mosty, do you recomend buying the 24 port TDM card right away as well? |
| 14:56.33 | mosty | probably not no. do they have 24 analogue phone lines?! |
| 14:57.19 | riddlebox | well he isnt sure how much he wants to grow, with trunks, I guess I will try to talk to him some more about it |
| 14:57.42 | mosty | i'm not sure what you mean by "trunk", can you clarify that? |
| 14:57.44 | riddlebox | what type of switch do you recomend? I guess a POE, I told him to get the Polycom phones |
| 14:58.03 | riddlebox | mosty a phone line from the phone company |
| 14:58.09 | mosty | ok, that's not a trunk |
| 14:58.13 | defsdoor | riddlebox: I got a nice netgear 728 for a good price - 24 port poe |
| 14:58.21 | mosty | a trunk is a "shared" line of some kind |
| 14:58.53 | mosty | any switch will do, get a PoE switch if you want to use PoE phones |
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| 14:59.41 | riddlebox | mosty, I guess it depends because for legacy equipment we always have to put in "trunk cards" to add more lines from the phone company |
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| 15:00.06 | mosty | riddlebox, there is a big difference between analogue and digital (isdn, T1/E1) phone lines. you will need to find out what they have before you buy the pstn hardware |
| 15:00.50 | riddlebox | mosty, he wants to start off with 7 or 8 phone lines, and possibly add a T1 or PRI later but he may grow in between |
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| 15:00.58 | esaym | how does asterisk do dtmf? It seems that it first detects it and then regenerates it and forwards it out to the phone or next server? Is there anyway for dtmf to just pass through asterisk without it messing with it? Like a dtmf pass through mode |
| 15:01.13 | _ShrikE | riddlebox: at 7 or 8 lines, you may want to price a t1/pri anyway |
| 15:01.19 | mosty | riddlebox, 7 or 8 analogue phone lines? it might be cheaper to get a fractional T1 |
| 15:01.26 | riddlebox | _ShrikE, he said it is to expensive right now |
| 15:01.41 | riddlebox | he can only get phone service from a Union provider |
| 15:01.51 | _ShrikE | gotxha |
| 15:01.55 | _ShrikE | er.. gotcha |
| 15:02.13 | riddlebox | which means AT&T around here, I told him some other providers to look into, hopefully they are union |
| 15:02.27 | riddlebox | he cant even use one that is partially union |
| 15:02.31 | mosty | riddlebox, personally i recommend sangoma cards, an a200d with remora daughter card, with 4 FXO modules would do |
| 15:02.57 | mosty | riddlebox, and if you change to T1, get an a10Xd |
| 15:03.26 | riddlebox | where do you guys buy them from, I cannot use the distributor we use at work, because then my boss will know that I am doing this on the side |
| 15:04.15 | mosty | from a local distributor |
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| 15:04.43 | riddlebox | haha there are no local distributor around here |
| 15:05.02 | mosty | ask mr google, there are plenty of places |
| 15:05.38 | riddlebox | yeah I have bought some stuff from voipsupply, and one other place which I cannot remember |
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| 15:08.39 | defsdoor | riddlebox: I'm, currently building a system with a sangoma A200 and 3 FOX modules |
| 15:08.59 | defsdoor | s/OX/XO/ |
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| 15:11.20 | riddlebox | I just bought a TDM card with 1 fxo for my house, I was upset with the ATA I bought to handle it, when the phone line rings the fxs port rings automatically even though it is registered with the system and it is not supposed to ring |
| 15:14.06 | mosty | sounds like an asterisk config error, not the ata |
| 15:14.35 | riddlebox | mosty, nope its how the ata is |
| 15:15.11 | riddlebox | it was a cheapy grandstream model, that couldnt even do caller id, I emailed their support and they said thats just how it is |
| 15:15.32 | mosty | never ever buy grandstream |
| 15:15.57 | riddlebox | yeah I know, I was just starting with asterisk and didnt really know |
| 15:16.09 | riddlebox | I still use it today as an ata for my cordless and it works great |
| 15:19.27 | jameswf-home | wine people say photoshop cs2 should now work... we shal see |
| 15:20.07 | riddlebox | I have never gotten into the gimp/photoshop stuff |
| 15:20.57 | jameswf-home | I use gimp out of spite for windows but ps native wuld be awesome |
| 15:22.21 | rafiks | ..getting stuck with voicemail setup ,,does one have to have a RDB to have voicemail? |
| 15:25.15 | mosty | rafiks, no. the default setup is to use regular files |
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| 15:28.21 | Woifi1988 | i want to do a load test! I want to test how many simulous calls with rtp media my asterisk can handle |
| 15:28.39 | Woifi1988 | is there a easy way to do that? |
| 15:29.05 | Woifi1988 | i read something about sipp but i dindn't find any utorial to do that |
| 15:29.33 | ahilb | Did murf ever merge ??? into trunk (see http://www.asterisk.org/node/48358) and if so, please can someone tell me at what revision? |
| 15:30.10 | ahilb | S/???/CDRfix5/ |
| 15:30.39 | rafiks | mosty : kept getting error ,failed to get database object |
| 15:30.49 | troubled | quick question guys. When I want to have a certain phone number do something else, is a GotoIf with the ${CALLERID(num)} the only way? I thought that there was a simpler way using a syntax like: 5551212,1,Dial(${MYPHONE}) ? |
| 15:32.28 | codefreeze | ahilb: cdrfix5? no, haven't paid attention to that in a while. I could merge it for you later today, gotta do the pinewood derby thing right now.... |
| 15:32.51 | mosty | rafiks, are you trying to use realtime? |
| 15:33.00 | rafiks | mosty : recompiling without res_odbc and stuff,will see if this works |
| 15:33.14 | rafiks | mosty : no just plain app_voicemail |
| 15:33.20 | mosty | rafiks, you might be loading the wrong voicemail module |
| 15:33.29 | ahilb | @codefreeze : so you basically ditched it? |
| 15:33.49 | rafiks | mosty :how many voicemail are there? |
| 15:35.04 | mosty | 3 in asterisk 1.4, i think |
| 15:35.34 | mosty | troubled, read the book, look at the descrition of the dialplan |
| 15:35.36 | mosty | ~book |
| 15:35.36 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 15:36.37 | rafiks | mosty : ok ..recompiling fixed it |
| 15:37.41 | rafiks | mosty :funny,i am reading ~book and i skipped a chapter ,went straight to RDB's |
| 15:37.53 | ahilb | @codefreeze: Pinewood Derby looks cool (I'm from uk) |
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| 15:41.59 | codefreeze | I've had 6 boys in Scouting. This is the last. He's putting on the final paint now. Race in a few hours. |
| 15:43.32 | ahilb | codefreeze: excellent! enjoy :) |
| 15:44.36 | [gnubie] | gtg now.. |
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| 15:44.42 | codefreeze | I'll update the cdrfix5 branch this afternoon, in about 3 or 4 hours.... hopefully before you go to bed! |
| 15:44.59 | ahilb | thanks! |
| 15:46.19 | real0ne | can i use asterisk to call any phone from the world from my computer? |
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| 15:47.02 | florz | real0ne: Nope, you can't call the unplugged phone standing on my desk with it. |
| 15:47.05 | troubled | mosty: the book only seems to cover GotoIf method, but searches on google show examples using: s/5551212,2,<.....> |
| 15:47.27 | real0ne | florz explain more^^ |
| 15:47.40 | Iamnacho | LOL |
| 15:47.41 | troubled | mosty: the problem is the examples use a numbered priority. not sure what happens when i use "n" |
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| 15:53.40 | nephfl | is there anyone who does asterisk/scripting very cheaply? |
| 15:54.28 | mosty | troubled, the n priority is converted into numbers when you load the dialplan |
| 15:55.15 | Woifi1988 | i want to do a load test! I want to test how many simulous calls with rtp media my asterisk can handle --> is there any tuorial available for asterisk testing with sipp? |
| 15:55.25 | troubled | mosty: the example used the same priority twice though. one for s/5551212,2,.... and one for s,2,..... |
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| 15:55.55 | troubled | which implies that duplicates are allowed for numbers that arent the same |
| 15:56.13 | mosty | troubled, yes. you step through priorities for the first extension that matches |
| 15:57.11 | drynish | Hi I have a Cisco 7940 as an ip phone and when I try sending digits to my provider voicemail, it seems to get a lot of digits instead of one. So let say I'm pressing 9, the provider may get 99. |
| 15:57.25 | mosty | drynish, using sip? |
| 15:57.30 | drynish | Skinny |
| 15:57.47 | mosty | drynish, i can't help then, sorry |
| 15:57.59 | drynish | through a sip trunk |
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| 15:58.24 | mosty | drynish, how do you use skinny "through a sip trunk" ? |
| 15:59.06 | drynish | skinny is the way the cisco phone is registring to my asterisk |
| 15:59.19 | drynish | afterwards it is using a sip trunk to make calls |
| 15:59.26 | troubled | mosty: just funny that when i use multple s/<number> matches, the dialplan fallsthrough. but if i use a single one it matches fine |
| 16:00.26 | troubled | unless i number the first priority of each s/<match num> as a number and not "n" |
| 16:01.20 | mosty | troubled, the n priority is kinda dumb, it does a simple increment, even if the extension changes. perhaps that is what you've got wrong? |
| 16:01.40 | mosty | troubled: 'show dialplan <context>' will tell you how asterisk has interpreted your extensions.conf |
| 16:02.15 | troubled | pastebin.ca/873478 |
| 16:02.33 | troubled | v1.2 |
| 16:04.15 | mosty | troubled, pastebin the output for show dialplan context for both cases |
| 16:07.09 | troubled | mosty: pastebin.ca/873483 |
| 16:08.47 | mosty | troubled, notice that the n priority doesn't start at 1 when i think you are expecting it to |
| 16:09.58 | troubled | well the 1. Answer() is the same for both |
| 16:10.15 | mosty | of course, because you set that explicitly |
| 16:10.17 | troubled | i would assume n would be set to 2 for both cases but i guess not |
| 16:10.33 | mosty | that's where you're wrong. n just increments blindly |
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| 16:11.01 | troubled | i just didnt expect it to ++ based on priorities that it shouldnt have matched |
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| 16:12.06 | mosty | troubled, i have learnt to assume that asterisk is stupid, not to assume that it's smart ;) |
| 16:13.39 | troubled | well, thanks for helping anyways. i dont mind dealing with it. just glad i got all the idiosyncracys figured out |
| 16:15.18 | real0ne | how can i use asterisk on debian "apt-get install asterick"??? |
| 16:15.45 | troubled | yes |
| 16:16.15 | troubled | real0ne: apt-cache search asterisk |
| 16:16.15 | real0ne | and can i call only computer wich have asterisk? |
| 16:16.39 | troubled | no, you can call any device with a protocol asterisk supports |
| 16:16.53 | real0ne | and i can' call phone? |
| 16:16.54 | troubled | ie: you can call other peoples sip phones |
| 16:17.36 | real0ne | aha |
| 16:17.38 | troubled | you cant call a real landline without real hardware or a voip provider for which you have an account that allows you to route a phone call through to a pstn |
| 16:17.53 | real0ne | aha |
| 16:17.54 | real0ne | ok |
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| 16:18.00 | real0ne | thanks a lot |
| 16:18.05 | real0ne | for all information |
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| 16:18.24 | real0ne | i thing i can call with asterisk all phone |
| 16:18.25 | real0ne | :P |
| 16:21.13 | jameswf-home | I have photoshop cs2 woking native in linux //Happy Dance// |
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| 16:27.06 | Nugget | ewwww linux. |
| 16:32.44 | drmessano | lol |
| 16:35.41 | jameswf-home | BSD is in the past Windows is the now linux is the future |
| 16:36.03 | jameswf-home | I hav been looking at gOS it is pretty neat |
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| 17:02.41 | drmessano | Dang.. who sets up an IAX trunk with no security? |
| 17:03.04 | carrar | newbies |
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| 17:11.50 | drmessano | "Whats a secret?" |
| 17:12.45 | af_ | an hidden thing and/or idea, concept? |
| 17:12.59 | UnixDog | not |
| 17:13.11 | UnixDog | FreeBSD is NOW and the Future |
| 17:13.28 | UnixDog | Linux is a playtoy os and windows is just plain evil |
| 17:15.03 | drmessano | I predict a sharp rise in BeOS users in the fourth quarter |
| 17:15.45 | UnixDog | lol |
| 17:16.00 | UnixDog | is BeOS even alive |
| 17:16.18 | UnixDog | I thought the project dies along with OS/2 |
| 17:16.25 | af_ | I predict that a brand new sharp os soon bypass all the others, for a long universe domination |
| 17:17.57 | drmessano | Its pretty dead |
| 17:18.29 | drmessano | It forked 11 times, then died from the overuse of Machintoshes |
| 17:18.32 | drmessano | -h |
| 17:19.03 | UnixDog | lol |
| 17:24.30 | drmessano | Apparently they developed some fork of a recreation of BeOS called "Haiku" |
| 17:24.33 | drmessano | Hmmm |
| 17:24.39 | drmessano | Fork of BeOS |
| 17:24.44 | drmessano | No one still remembers it |
| 17:24.49 | drmessano | Get a new hobby |
| 17:24.52 | drmessano | YAY.. Haiku |
| 17:26.13 | drmessano | Every OS should have two requirements.. IRC and Asterisk... Because if you have no one to talk to, you're just a basement troll |
| 17:27.36 | UnixDog | lol |
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| 17:40.55 | jameswf-home | if you listen real close you can hear the ocean |
| 17:41.05 | drmessano | lol |
| 17:43.38 | plik | to hear the ocean, press 6... |
| 17:43.44 | jameswf-home | sad 7 channels open not crap goin on |
| 17:43.49 | asr33 | hello ladies and gentle men: I was just thinking of lurking in an effort to learn something new! |
| 17:44.15 | plik | good plan - it's what I've been doing |
| 17:44.32 | plik | and its been successfuk so far :) |
| 17:44.38 | jameswf-home | I shall teach you something new lets see.... the square root of 69 is 8 something |
| 17:44.53 | drmessano | Ok, heres the less plan for today |
| 17:44.57 | drmessano | Listen closely |
| 17:45.21 | drmessano | 1. Stop asking stupid questions and start pasting - [TK]D-Fender |
| 17:45.48 | jameswf-home | ~book |
| 17:45.49 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 17:45.54 | jameswf-home | RtFm |
| 17:45.56 | UnixDog | ~book2 |
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| 17:46.01 | drmessano | 2. Asterisk doesn't make all your telephony free - drmessano |
| 17:46.16 | UnixDog | yes it does |
| 17:46.23 | drmessano | 3. BSD and you.. No, BSD doesn't need you - UnixDog |
| 17:46.40 | UnixDog | unless you have to call a company that does not have a sip connection |
| 17:46.52 | drmessano | Ok |
| 17:46.53 | UnixDog | BSD rules the planet |
| 17:46.59 | jameswf-home | of the apes |
| 17:47.02 | UnixDog | and bsd will always neeed a unixdog |
| 17:47.21 | drmessano | 4. How to say what's on your mind without saying whats on your mind - jameswf-home |
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| 17:47.41 | drmessano | Hmm |
| 17:47.48 | asr33 | why doesn't Asterisk have a irc channel but doesn't a conference channel? |
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| 17:47.54 | deeperror | is there any commands that would return a zap channels current rx/tx levels? |
| 17:48.29 | asr33 | sorry |
| 17:48.36 | drmessano | I need someone to teach "Trixbox is to Asterisk what a 75lb tick is to your left leg" |
| 17:48.38 | drmessano | Anyone? |
| 17:48.47 | drmessano | Ok, I will teach it.. thats Lesson 5 |
| 17:49.05 | drmessano | Oh |
| 17:49.06 | drmessano | and |
| 17:49.30 | jameswf-home | remember kids when you make an off color remark disclaim it so your boss doesnt get called |
| 17:49.51 | drmessano | 6. SIP and NAT, why it takes you 15 minutes to open a box of cereal too - jblack |
| 17:50.05 | jameswf-home | 2 wrongs dont make a right but a few shots of vodka and lime juice makes a great drink |
| 17:50.07 | UnixDog | ipv6 will change all this |
| 17:50.15 | UnixDog | when it finaly hits |
| 17:50.31 | drmessano | ipv6 will continue to get molded into ipv4 part 2 |
| 17:50.54 | drmessano | ipv6 was supposed to fix the need for DHCP until some dumbass admins started crying |
| 17:51.15 | drmessano | I wonder what other kludges we'll drag into ipv6 |
| 17:51.32 | mvanbaak | you dont need DHCP with ipv6 |
| 17:51.37 | drmessano | Exactly |
| 17:51.43 | drmessano | But it's being implemented |
| 17:51.48 | jameswf-home | The US has 80% of the ipv4 number space who needs ipv6 |
| 17:52.05 | mvanbaak | drmessano: yeah, but by default you dont need it |
| 17:52.10 | mvanbaak | that's the difference |
| 17:52.13 | drmessano | I know |
| 17:52.23 | mvanbaak | there is a lot implemented that is totally useless |
| 17:52.27 | drmessano | But we're still going to end up with a bunch of ip4 admins with DHCP all over the place |
| 17:52.31 | mvanbaak | it doesn't mean you have to use it |
| 17:52.41 | drmessano | Yeah, but it will be |
| 17:52.43 | drmessano | Thats the thing |
| 17:52.44 | UnixDog | you really dont need dhcp unless you a lazy andmin and to lazy to setup your network correctly. only dhcp if you dsl/isdn/net provider requires it |
| 17:53.43 | drmessano | IIRC, that was one thing that slowed IPv6 being implemented on Windows XP.. The lack of DHCP support |
| 17:54.00 | jameswf-home | the sign of a good admin is the ability to be lazy.. spend all day playing soduku if you have to manage your network you have done something wrong |
| 17:54.08 | drmessano | lol |
| 17:54.28 | mvanbaak | drmessano: bullocks. autoconfig for ipv6 has been in windows xp ipv6 stack from the start |
| 17:54.40 | drmessano | Not autoconfig.. DHCP |
| 17:55.02 | plik | jameswf-home: I thought that was why dhcp was a good thing - 1 config file and back to leisure time |
| 17:55.18 | mvanbaak | autoconfig is the way to do your ipv6 handling |
| 17:55.21 | mvanbaak | not dhcp |
| 17:55.24 | drmessano | I KNOW |
| 17:55.30 | drmessano | You dont get it |
| 17:55.46 | drmessano | DHCP is being slapped on top of IPv6 |
| 17:55.49 | jameswf-home | who the heck wants to type http://fe80::250:56ff:fec0:1 |
| 17:55.51 | drmessano | DHCP != Autoconfig |
| 17:56.06 | mvanbaak | drmessano: uhhuh. but why is that a bad thing ? |
| 17:56.16 | UnixDog | boys back to your seperate corners |
| 17:56.19 | UnixDog | time out |
| 17:56.25 | florz | jameswf-home: nobody, for that's an invalid URI =:-) |
| 17:56.34 | mvanbaak | if ppl want DHCP in ipv6 they can install an ipv6 DHCP server and ipv6 DHCP clients |
| 17:56.37 | drmessano | Because DHCP is an evil kludge for IPv6 when a perfectly working autoconfig system exists |
| 17:56.39 | mvanbaak | by default it's not there |
| 17:56.44 | drmessano | The whole point is to use autoconfig |
| 17:56.48 | ManxPower | sometimes the issue is simply that the IT department is massivly, incredibly, almost criminally under funded. |
| 17:57.11 | mvanbaak | drmessano: our ipv6 setups run fine with autoconfig |
| 17:57.21 | drmessano | Im sure they do |
| 17:57.22 | mvanbaak | and our provider's as well |
| 17:57.29 | drmessano | Thats the whole idea |
| 17:57.34 | mvanbaak | so why are you worried about DHCP ? |
| 17:57.45 | drmessano | Good god |
| 17:57.48 | andrewn | lol |
| 17:57.57 | mvanbaak | I mean, it's working without |
| 17:58.01 | mvanbaak | so simply dont use it |
| 17:58.12 | drmessano | Because people WILL IMPLEMENT IT |
| 17:58.21 | mvanbaak | yeah ? |
| 17:58.31 | mvanbaak | ppl implement windows platforms as well |
| 17:58.31 | plik | mvanbaak: I think that was his point - it;s being slapped on regardless... scroll back up and re-read til you get it |
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| 17:58.56 | mvanbaak | ppl implement voip setups with grandstream phones |
| 17:59.22 | plik | mostly through ignorance or cheapskateness |
| 17:59.38 | mvanbaak | uhhuh |
| 17:59.44 | jameswf-home | "budget"tone |
| 17:59.48 | mvanbaak | it's as bad as using dhcp with ipv6 |
| 17:59.56 | plik | so really we need better educated users.... |
| 17:59.57 | mvanbaak | the answer is very very simple |
| 18:00.04 | mvanbaak | "I dont support that" |
| 18:00.08 | plik | but trying to get users to give a damn is ..... |
| 18:00.14 | mvanbaak | anywayz, food |
| 18:00.19 | plik | very difficult |
| 18:00.20 | drmessano | The answer *was* not to implement it in the first place |
| 18:00.31 | drmessano | M$ is to blame for a lot of that.. Windows Admins demanded it |
| 18:01.00 | drmessano | There was a really good article in TechNet magazine about it last year, I think |
| 18:01.07 | jameswf-home | a phone is a phone a sip phone is a sip phone what difference does it make if you can save a few bucks... we are in a recession damnit |
| 18:01.29 | drmessano | jameswf-home: If it works and isnt screwing with anything, who cares.. |
| 18:01.52 | drmessano | It's one thing to not use shit that doesn't work |
| 18:02.31 | plik | true, but that kind of attitude leads people to buy macs and give up civil liberties in exchange for wire taps and surveilance and drm |
| 18:02.36 | plik | - i mean security |
| 18:03.31 | ManxPower | Think of the children! |
| 18:03.39 | drmessano | No, being uneducated does that.. But an educated user that uses their abilities to implement something cheaper due to their specific knowledge of the functionality of the product should never be discounted |
| 18:04.17 | jameswf-home | I am going to go work my masters in forensics... I can be part of the prob i mean solution |
| 18:04.28 | drmessano | lol |
| 18:04.38 | plik | yes - that was my point earlier about better educated users / people ... but sadly most people don't care enought coz they don't understand enough |
| 18:05.23 | drmessano | I was having this same sort of discussion, actually "argument" with a friend of mine a few weeks back.. About buying two-way radios from China for $50 a piece |
| 18:05.30 | jameswf-home | I have decided actualy thinking for my self is way to hard thats why I am voting for hillary |
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| 18:05.55 | drmessano | They're the same as the $400 radios without the label and markup... If it's the same, or maybe just SLIGHTY cheaper quality, but WORKS, who cares |
| 18:06.42 | drmessano | After he got off his Motorola/Kenwood fanboy podium, he bought one of the $50 radios too and he loves it |
| 18:07.12 | plik | there are times when thats all well and good, but as a aweeping generalisation it gets us in grief... |
| 18:07.15 | ManxPower | drmessano: the thing is even if they have TWICE the failure rate, you'll still be saving money. Just buy a few spares. |
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| 18:07.51 | ManxPower | We do that with some of our cisco equipment. It's SO cheap that we just buy a spare or two instead of a maint contract |
| 18:08.04 | drmessano | Yes ManxPower, or if I go out at wreck and it it bust a window open and the radio smashes in two pieces, im not out $400 for ONE radio |
| 18:08.14 | drmessano | use it* |
| 18:08.17 | jameswf-home | again if you have to manage your network you are doing something wrong |
| 18:08.53 | ManxPower | jameswf-home: How do you define "manage your network"? |
| 18:09.36 | ManxPower | For the most part we just wait until something breaks and some complains. |
| 18:09.55 | jameswf-home | if less than 95% of your time is spent not on youtube, in solitare or with soduku etc you are managing your network |
| 18:10.13 | ManxPower | If we had more than 1 support person per 200 users maybe we would be a bit more proactive about it |
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| 18:11.49 | jameswf-home | educating and restricting users is part of making your network stable and allowing you to be lazy |
| 18:12.07 | ManxPower | (and more than 1 network/telecom/design guy per 300 users) |
| 18:12.40 | ManxPower | jameswf-home: you are assuming that users are willing and/or able to be educated. |
| 18:13.01 | jameswf-home | no that is what restrictions are for |
| 18:13.02 | ManxPower | In my experience, that is simply not the case. |
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| 18:16.28 | weazahl | jameswf-home: its amazing home many problems you can eliminate by moving your clients from a public email server to a managed server with virius and spam scanners |
| 18:17.12 | *** part/#asterisk deeperror (n=deeperro@d14-69-9-250.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 18:17.33 | jameswf-home | I use linux what is this virus you speak of :) |
| 18:17.49 | weazahl | zimbra rocks. at least till yahoo stole it from the world |
| 18:18.27 | weazahl | i dont know. i have practical immunity also. but my clients for some reason still believe then need M$ |
| 18:19.22 | jameswf-home | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/network.png << viruseseses lol |
| 18:19.47 | anonymouz666 | is there some app to forward the recorded message? let's say 15 secs... |
| 18:21.29 | anonymouz666 | fast forward |
| 18:24.44 | anonymouz666 | ControlPlayback |
| 18:25.55 | jameswf-home | Isnt that awesome with enough silence they learn to use google |
| 18:27.47 | anonymouz666 | jameswf-home: you know there are lots of apps... It's not hard to forget one or another. |
| 18:28.37 | jameswf-home | I have enough going on in my head to remember more than the core apps for all else there is the book |
| 18:31.01 | drmessano | man woman |
| 18:31.03 | drmessano | :( |
| 18:31.18 | drmessano | No manual entry for woman |
| 18:32.05 | endre | % man "how to get off" |
| 18:32.05 | endre | No manual entry for how to get off |
| 18:32.41 | drmessano | man automatic |
| 18:32.44 | drmessano | No manual entry for automatic |
| 18:33.52 | jameswf-home | $ finger woman |
| 18:33.52 | jameswf-home | finger: woman: no such user. |
| 18:34.11 | drmessano | lol |
| 18:34.34 | De_Mon | I like jameswf-home's better |
| 18:34.41 | drmessano | I tried to finger cop and I got booted.. So I did sudo finger cop and it was much lulz |
| 18:34.50 | De_Mon | man women is pretty good too |
| 18:35.00 | jameswf-home | grep "intelligent life" Earth |
| 18:35.12 | drmessano | cat dog |
| 18:36.23 | drmessano | Hmmm |
| 18:36.25 | jameswf-home | killall -9 stupid_people |
| 18:36.41 | drmessano | Someone told me /dev/null was a safe place to store my documents |
| 18:36.51 | drmessano | So I moved them there, and now they're gone |
| 18:36.55 | drmessano | HALP MEH |
| 18:37.11 | jameswf-home | cp ~/bank_accounts /dev/null |
| 18:37.24 | jameswf-home | wait |
| 18:37.30 | jameswf-home | s/cp/mv/ |
| 18:37.54 | jameswf-home | jbot: /dev/null |
| 18:37.54 | jbot | well, /dev/null is a bit bucket, or where you should move your via boards to |
| 18:37.55 | drmessano | Maybe I should move /etc/asterisk there and see if I can call it? |
| 18:39.37 | jameswf-home | we were trying to add dd to the trixbox registry.pl commands to see if we could make the file lie 20 megs |
| 18:40.51 | drmessano | lol |
| 18:41.15 | jameswf-home | it kept crapping out.... perl sucks |
| 18:41.33 | drmessano | Always funny when someone from Fonality claims to know a lot about perl |
| 18:41.36 | drmessano | "We know you do" |
| 18:41.40 | drmessano | "We've seen your work" |
| 18:41.55 | drmessano | registry.pl FTW |
| 18:42.17 | jameswf-home | dont cast your perl before swine |
| 18:44.15 | jameswf-home | trixbox bug reports kernel-PAE installing, trixbox says they cant replicate meaning there test systems dont support pae... what kind of old junk are they using for test |
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| 18:44.50 | jameswf-home | developing on P2 |
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| 18:45.10 | jameswf-home | also explains why mp3's slow em down |
| 18:45.25 | oxylin | I everybody |
| 18:46.49 | oxylin | I would like to forword some prefixes (I already do that) and set the callerid to the callerid of the client who use my aterisk to go to the endpoint which is pointed by the prefix... The problem is over the callerid settings...How can I do that? |
| 18:48.55 | oxylin | no one? |
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| 18:53.59 | drmessano | jameswf-home: MP3's are the devil |
| 18:54.01 | drmessano | lol |
| 18:54.08 | drmessano | Because we don't support them |
| 18:54.11 | drmessano | Yeah, thats it |
| 18:55.24 | ManxPower | oxylin: So you want the PSTN to send the caller's Caller*ID info to the destination phone? |
| 18:57.05 | oxylin | ManxPower, yes but incoming calls come only from other asterisk servers or softphones |
| 18:57.21 | ManxPower | oxylin: the Caller*ID should be transported along with the call. |
| 18:57.51 | weazahl | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor cpu MHz : 935.952.... thats antique and works fine. |
| 18:58.04 | weazahl | used to be on an intel 600 |
| 18:58.18 | weazahl | exit |
| 18:58.46 | weazahl | opps wrong window :D |
| 18:59.01 | drmessano | What are you jibber jabbering about? |
| 18:59.31 | oxylin | ManxPower, in fact not really as I saw. A user (an asterisk server) use my asterisk to call other phone numbers and it's my caller id which is transported, not his one |
| 18:59.38 | weazahl | talking about old hardware used in *. some people do it since its all you need |
| 19:00.03 | ManxPower | oxylin: "your callerid" means the callerid of the main number? |
| 19:00.18 | nephfl | i really dont like doin this asterisk stuff...someone want to do it for me? |
| 19:00.22 | oxylin | main number? what you mean? |
| 19:00.40 | ManxPower | What is the "my caller id " |
| 19:00.57 | ManxPower | oxylin: English is not your native language? |
| 19:01.21 | drmessano | The point was that Trixbox has all sorts of performance issues |
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| 19:01.38 | drmessano | Probably relating to a piss poor devel env |
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| 19:03.03 | oxylin | ManxPower, no... I'm sorry. I have a so bad written english? |
| 19:03.20 | jameswf-home | I installed b in vmware to do rpm's etc and had to convert zaptel to source.. they patch the hell out of the zaptel source... I |
| 19:03.44 | drmessano | lol |
| 19:04.03 | ManxPower | oxylin: Your English is not terrible. |
| 19:04.20 | jameswf-home | oslec patch, sangoma patch, voipsex patch i was like geeze |
| 19:04.27 | drmessano | ha |
| 19:05.52 | jameswf-home | I wish people wouldnt push to make oslec a standard, It really sucks in large enviroments |
| 19:05.57 | oxylin | ManxPower, so... That's ok.. I found the problem, in fact it's my SIP account provider which override the caller id |
| 19:11.15 | jameswf-home | wow that polocy chick has a chicken head :)) |
| 19:12.00 | jameswf-home | I wonder is any of the popular candidates would make ron paul their vice |
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| 19:17.36 | luckyone | I am working on setting up fax-to-email on my asterisk server, but I am getting an error using SetVar() |
| 19:18.59 | jameswf-home | the Mac Air looks cool but I would so break it... |
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| 19:20.05 | ManxPower | luckyone: SetVar is being removed. |
| 19:20.11 | luckyone | ahh |
| 19:20.16 | luckyone | what is it in 1.4.17? |
| 19:20.20 | ManxPower | luckyone: if you had read the upgrade.txt you would know what things are being removed, recpecated, etc. |
| 19:22.09 | ManxPower | In fact I always recommend reading the upgrade.txt for the version you are installing and the previous major version as well. |
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| 19:23.46 | luckyone | ManxPower: I still don't see what it was replaced with after reading the upgrade.txt file |
| 19:25.30 | luckyone | I imagine the 1.2 upgrade.txt file explains what to use because that is the version where it was depricated... |
| 19:27.49 | jameswf-home | summary of changes between 1.2 and 1.4 depricated depricated add orre this and that |
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| 19:45.08 | luckyone | ManxPower: is there an Asterisk API anywhere? |
| 19:45.46 | luckyone | for the conf files? |
| 19:46.19 | drmessano | an API for the conf files? |
| 19:47.02 | ManxPower | luckyone: no API for conf files. |
| 19:47.02 | luckyone | drmessano: I don't know.. something that describes how I am supposed to do things that worked in 1.2, but no longer |
| 19:47.14 | luckyone | yeah, API was a bad choice |
| 19:47.16 | ManxPower | luckyone: THAT would be upgrade.txt |
| 19:47.25 | luckyone | heh, I don't see it in there |
| 19:47.36 | ManxPower | luckyone: you have the asterisk source code, right? |
| 19:47.38 | drmessano | luckyone, its called "know how" |
| 19:47.45 | ManxPower | You looked in the docs/ directory |
| 19:47.48 | drmessano | Read the upgrade.txt and work out whats changed |
| 19:47.54 | luckyone | will do |
| 19:47.57 | luckyone | thanks for the motivation! |
| 19:48.30 | drmessano | I lost my copy if change_12_stuff_to_14.vbs |
| 19:48.33 | drmessano | of* |
| 19:48.41 | drmessano | :( |
| 19:49.29 | ManxPower | So now not only do we have to tell people where to find the docs, now we also have to motivate them to read the docs? |
| 19:49.36 | ManxPower | I quit! |
| 19:49.45 | drmessano | ManxPower, DO IT FOR ME |
| 19:49.51 | drmessano | PLEAZ |
| 19:49.59 | luckyone | hah |
| 19:50.07 | luckyone | " You should use the equivalent dialplan |
| 19:50.09 | luckyone | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.10 | drmessano | I GAV U PASTEBAN, U EDIT NOW? |
| 19:50.46 | drmessano | TEAL ME WEN UR DON, KTHX? :) |
| 19:50.58 | drmessano | U VRY HALPFUL MAN, MAN :) |
| 19:51.16 | drmessano | U R DONE YET ?!?!?! |
| 19:51.42 | drmessano | HURRA PLAESE, BOSS WIL SOON B HERE! |
| 19:51.51 | luckyone | I am sorry if I sound that way |
| 19:51.53 | ManxPower | MUCH better. |
| 19:52.16 | drmessano | lol |
| 19:52.28 | drmessano | s/here/hear |
| 19:52.39 | drmessano | 1. Ask for help |
| 19:52.41 | drmessano | 2. Demand it |
| 19:52.45 | drmessano | 3. Rush it |
| 19:52.48 | drmessano | 4. ?????? |
| 19:52.57 | ManxPower | 5. Profit! |
| 19:53.00 | drmessano | lol |
| 19:53.02 | luckyone | hah |
| 19:53.02 | ManxPower | oh, wait, wrong channel |
| 19:53.27 | drmessano | I cant remember who did that to me.. I was working on helping someone |
| 19:53.48 | drmessano | and they dropped the "How much longer this take? Need to have office up soon :)" |
| 19:53.57 | luckyone | so, if I was to look at the 1.2 upgrade.txt, I would see some mappings between DBGet and what it was replaced with |
| 19:53.58 | drmessano | I did a /quit right then and there |
| 19:54.05 | drmessano | Came back the next day |
| 19:54.11 | ManxPower | luckyone: you should. |
| 19:54.15 | luckyone | cool |
| 19:54.42 | luckyone | ok |
| 19:54.55 | drmessano | I dont think this was an Asterisk issue IIRC.. but in any case.. good stuff |
| 19:55.34 | drmessano | oh crap |
| 19:55.37 | drmessano | I left off one |
| 19:55.53 | drmessano | 6. After HALP is completed, question it |
| 19:56.02 | luckyone | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.06 | luckyone | look at me go! |
| 19:56.30 | luckyone | thanks svn.digium.com |
| 19:56.34 | drmessano | lol |
| 20:08.55 | jameswf-home | lol http://dockera.com/pics/fun/dell.jpg |
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| 20:11.36 | byte_slave | hello |
| 20:12.37 | byte_slave | i 've recently unplugged the cables from my old alcatel central that where connected to asterisk server |
| 20:12.57 | luckyone | for 1.4 is compiling spandsp the only way to do faxing? |
| 20:13.22 | ManxPower | luckyone: the only way to do faxing without a fax machine or fax modem, tes. |
| 20:13.41 | luckyone | ManxPower: yes, that is what I mean, specifically fax to email |
| 20:13.51 | byte_slave | now i've at * CLI obviously a msg that Primary D-Channel on span 7 down also for span 1,2 and 8 |
| 20:13.56 | ManxPower | hylafax supports fax to email, I think. |
| 20:14.16 | byte_slave | to deactivate this do i need to reeinstall the octobri card drivers? |
| 20:14.17 | luckyone | ManxPower: would you recommend it to me (an idiot) |
| 20:14.19 | ManxPower | byte_slave: D channels are only supposed to be on channel 24 (T-1) or channel 16 (E-1) |
| 20:14.36 | ManxPower | luckyone: we process hundreds of faxes per week using spandsp and rxfax |
| 20:14.46 | luckyone | ManxPower: then I am down with that |
| 20:14.55 | ManxPower | byte_slave: sorry, you said "span". nevermind. |
| 20:15.18 | ManxPower | byte_slave: all that means is "the PRI is not working" |
| 20:15.30 | luckyone | ManxPower: v 0.0.3? |
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| 20:15.40 | ManxPower | luckyone: I have no idea. |
| 20:15.40 | byte_slave | or i can simply edit some .conf file to fix this? |
| 20:16.00 | UnixDog | there is no simple fix to life |
| 20:16.01 | ManxPower | spandsp-0.0.4 |
| 20:16.13 | ManxPower | byte_slave: we don't have even close to enough information to answer that. |
| 20:16.26 | ManxPower | does zttool show the spans in red or yellow alarm? |
| 20:16.37 | kaldemar | byte_slave: if you're not using the spans, you can comment them out in zapata.conf. after restart, you won't see those any more. |
| 20:17.10 | byte_slave | ok, answered, i thought it would be necessary to reconfigure the driver |
| 20:17.24 | byte_slave | thanks kaldemar and ManxPower |
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| 20:18.52 | generalhan | hey all ! |
| 20:19.33 | byte_slave | i don't have any info about the chanels in zapata.conf but zapata.conf as "#include zapata-BRI-HFC.conf" can that information be there? this ins supposed to be a comment? |
| 20:20.05 | ManxPower | byte_slave: not many people here us BRI. |
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| 20:23.04 | byte_slave | ManxPower: that octobri card i use as 4 inputs and can be jumper confugured ti suport until 8 lines, i have 4 lines connected to the NTs and other 4 connected to the alcatel old telephony central, i just want to deactivate these 4 lines from alcatel central |
| 20:23.29 | kaldemar | byte_slave: most likely your channels are configured there. comments start with ;'s, not #'s. |
| 20:24.24 | byte_slave | thanks |
| 20:27.04 | generalhan | im currently using 1.2.23 in production, and was thinking about changing to 1.4.x, but i have a lot of custom-like code that i use for my queues. i was wondering if there was an easier way to accomplish these tasks in 1.4.x, or at the very least that this code will still work when converting to from 1.2.23. |
| 20:27.16 | generalhan | would some one mind taking a look at what i have please? http://pastebin.com/d18aa3b6 |
| 20:28.05 | ManxPower | generalhan: there is a very simple answer to your question. |
| 20:28.18 | generalhan | ManxPower: yes ? |
| 20:29.39 | ManxPower | generalhan: read the upgrade.txt file for both 1.2 and 1.4 Those files are SUPPOSED to contain ALL the info required to upgrade. And yes, read the 1.2 upgrade.txt too. |
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| 20:31.01 | generalhan | ok, i think i can manage that ! :) |
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| 20:31.48 | generalhan | i need to start reading up on dynamic queues too, wonder how difficult that will be for me to figure out ! |
| 20:37.44 | ManxPower | I tried queues at one point, was not what we needed. |
| 20:38.03 | ManxPower | I use my internal designed "fake queues" using chan_local |
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| 20:46.18 | generalhan | ManxPower: you have a link or other documentation to explain to me what you did? maybe i dont need to be using queues either ! lol |
| 20:51.47 | drmessano | jblack: Where you at, foo? |
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| 20:58.08 | ManxPower | generalhan: there really isn't any docs for that |
| 20:58.15 | generalhan | k |
| 20:58.42 | luckyone | how well does faxing over SIP/IAX2 work? |
| 20:58.53 | luckyone | or receiving faxes |
| 20:59.11 | generalhan | i could get rid of one of those peices of code if i could just figure out if there is a way to disable call-waiting on my Aastra phones !! no one seems to know how though. even Aastra ! lol |
| 21:03.37 | luckyone | /join #callweaver |
| 21:03.47 | drmessano | lol |
| 21:04.05 | luckyone | yeah |
| 21:04.11 | luckyone | I'm that guy |
| 21:04.23 | drmessano | That guy? |
| 21:04.38 | luckyone | that types things in the wrong irssi window... do any of you know agx? |
| 21:07.32 | J4k3 | screen -dr |
| 21:07.33 | J4k3 | err |
| 21:07.51 | J4k3 | yeah, don't front. |
| 21:07.56 | byte_slave | a stupid question what is a span? |
| 21:10.15 | byte_slave | i'm newbie and getting confused between span and channel |
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| 21:15.52 | _ShrikE | byte_slave: read the text in zaptel.conf.... spans are for E1/T1 |
| 21:16.24 | _ShrikE | you should also read the book |
| 21:16.26 | _ShrikE | ~book |
| 21:16.26 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 21:16.35 | byte_slave | thks |
| 21:17.42 | J4k3 | I wonder if the local hastings actually has that in print format |
| 21:18.00 | J4k3 | I hate pdfs, especially free ones from orielly as they usually don't include toc/index |
| 21:20.24 | _ShrikE | given its the best doc out there on the topic, I dont complain given its free. |
| 21:27.28 | luckyone | has anyone recently installed spandsp-0.0.4 |
| 21:29.30 | drmessano | Sorry, I don't know anything about pokemon |
| 21:33.57 | byte_slave | weird, they allow ppl to download the ebook online??? |
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| 21:40.10 | IPGHOST | hi guys |
| 21:40.27 | IPGHOST | i wana make some IVR survey system on asterisk , any ideas or help |
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| 21:49.43 | sbingner | do you guys think it would be worthwhile for me to run a small company to do PSTN termination to hawaii? |
| 21:50.05 | sbingner | nobody else seems to do it... |
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| 22:20.22 | drmessano | sbingner: Sure, why not |
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| 22:22.01 | J4k3 | so far theres no CLECs capable of porting numbers in the area, I assume its bullshit with the antique 911 office |
| 22:22.16 | drmessano | Where is "here"? |
| 22:22.21 | sbingner | all I'd need is a T1 from my telco right? |
| 22:22.24 | J4k3 | I'm thinking... I can get any number in the area transfered to an ilec-provided ($550/mo, not too bad) pri... |
| 22:22.35 | sbingner | not really too sure how to go about doing this... |
| 22:22.41 | J4k3 | here = grapeland, texas, usa... windstream is the ilec. |
| 22:22.54 | lmadsen | is there grapes? |
| 22:23.02 | drmessano | Probably not |
| 22:23.12 | J4k3 | lmadsen: not that many anymore. |
| 22:23.15 | J4k3 | watermelons are the new crop |
| 22:23.23 | lmadsen | I love watermelons |
| 22:23.24 | J4k3 | theres also a ~150 acre blueberry farm |
| 22:23.31 | drmessano | HA |
| 22:23.44 | lmadsen | I guess watermelonland doesn't have the same ring to it |
| 22:23.56 | J4k3 | I grow watermelons.. I'm tempted to do my whole 5 acres with them this year |
| 22:23.58 | drmessano | Call it "Blueberry Bell" |
| 22:24.03 | J4k3 | I hate mowing grass and thats one way around it |
| 22:24.08 | lmadsen | :) |
| 22:24.45 | sbingner | or would I need to become a CLEC? |
| 22:24.49 | J4k3 | well, I hate feeding my lawn mower gas and parts... at this point it needs a whole new engine (~$400 ebay, $750 local retail) |
| 22:24.59 | J4k3 | so might as well do something productive instead. |
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| 22:31.33 | BBHoss | does anyone here get pissed when telemarketers call you on your cell phone with a fake ANI, and then you realize the hold music is the stock stuff that comes with asterisk, and the prompts are recorded by allison? |
| 22:31.36 | grandpapadot | Man, if it wasn't for customers I would enjoy my job. |
| 22:31.47 | grandpapadot | BBHoss, lol. |
| 22:31.49 | sbingner | BBHoss, hasn't happened to me |
| 22:32.05 | BBHoss | yeah they always call with like 5551212 or something |
| 22:32.09 | sbingner | wth |
| 22:32.25 | BBHoss | 5145551212 |
| 22:32.29 | grandpapadot | My Asterisk Book: "Fun with ANI" or "How to change your outbound caller id for fun and entertainment" |
| 22:32.59 | BBHoss | i've told them numerous times to remove me from their list, no luck |
| 22:33.32 | J4k3 | the asterisk license should exclude the ability to use for telemarketing purposes |
| 22:33.53 | BBHoss | J4k3: no it shouldnt |
| 22:34.07 | BBHoss | telemarketing sucks but people spread * because of it |
| 22:34.17 | J4k3 | telemarketers could pay for development |
| 22:34.19 | J4k3 | straight up |
| 22:34.41 | BBHoss | J4k3: and its already illegal in the US to do what they're doing, so why would they care about a petty license |
| 22:34.59 | J4k3 | telemarketing is sleazy business... a pile of grandsuck phones and a used peecee from the local goodwill and you're on your way to an annoying income |
| 22:36.21 | J4k3 | asterisk's other job in life is ensuring you get the best quality technical support possible from India when you call any US-based corporation. |
| 22:36.25 | J4k3 | :P |
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| 22:40.34 | drmessano | J4k3: I had a guy from india wanting me to build him an Asterisk box and send it over there |
| 22:40.42 | drmessano | So I asked him 'Who would support it?' |
| 22:40.50 | drmessano | He said he wanted me to support it |
| 22:40.54 | drmessano | So I asked him.. |
| 22:40.55 | NovceGuru | mmmmmmmmm bitterman |
| 22:41.13 | J4k3 | I get my support from you, Dante. |
| 22:41.16 | drmessano | "Let me get this right.... You want india to call the U.S. for tech support?" |
| 22:41.24 | drmessano | He didnt get the irony |
| 22:41.26 | grandpapadot | We get calls all the time people wanting asterisk support, what's funny is they don't want to pay for it. Some lady actually had the nerve to tell me "Why should we pay for support, Asterisk is free" |
| 22:41.42 | drmessano | I laughed for days |
| 22:42.41 | BBHoss | heh |
| 22:43.15 | sbingner | lol |
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| 22:50.33 | troubled | hmm, my TDM is getting really bad echo when bridged to the pstn line. is that normal when echo cancel is on? |
| 22:51.02 | asr33 | ~tdm |
| 22:51.03 | jbot | hmm... tdm is Time Division Multiplexing. It is a scheme in which numerous signals are combined for transmission on a single communications line or channel. Each signal is broken up into many segments, each having very short duration. |
| 22:52.09 | asr33 | sorry i'll private message next time! |
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| 22:52.51 | troubled | sorry, its a TDM400p card |
| 22:53.14 | asr33 | great thanks, I'm a newbie |
| 22:53.25 | ManxPower | troubled: echo is difficult to remove. You could change the a different EC in ztconfig.h in the zaptel source, IIRC. Recompile after, of courese. |
| 22:53.29 | drmessano | ~newbie |
| 22:53.30 | jbot | hmm... newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 22:53.35 | J4k3 | POTS should be avoided at all times. |
| 22:53.47 | RypPn | hey there, anyone have any ideas why zaptel 1.4.8 would fail to compile like so? http://rafb.net/p/OQbkKo36.html . Zaptel 1.4.7.1 compiles fine against the same kernel. |
| 22:54.00 | drmessano | POTS is evil.. it's the gateway to worse things |
| 22:54.26 | troubled | ManxPower: well, the echo is fine and the sound quality is amazing between the fxo modules, but soon as I bridge to the pstn, it gets real bad and quiet compared to the other lines |
| 22:55.32 | troubled | ManxPower: another thing that makes it a pain is im using debian stable so im stuck with 1.2 precompiled |
| 22:56.23 | troubled | although i supose I could sit down and recompile or maybe even move to 1.4 from svn if it has a chance of improving |
| 22:57.22 | troubled | one question though. the zaptel config mentioned about hardware echo cancel and software. is my TDM400p hardware echo or can i actually tweak those echo levels for the pstn line to my liking? |
| 23:00.57 | grandpapadot | troubled: eh? You can compile any version on debian. You don't have to use the packages. |
| 23:01.07 | J4k3 | cancel pstn, transfer number to a nice new BRI. |
| 23:01.10 | J4k3 | err |
| 23:01.12 | J4k3 | cancel POTS |
| 23:03.31 | J4k3 | the only thing I keep a POTS line for is I can't get my # ported to a capable provider, and the losers want a little over $100/month for a BRI |
| 23:06.53 | drmessano | BRI... Breaks Really Intermittently |
| 23:08.57 | mamep | hey anywhere to get callerid after ivr redirection? |
| 23:11.37 | grandpapadot | NoOp(${CALLERID(all)}) ?? |
| 23:12.09 | grandpapadot | What type of redirection? |
| 23:12.57 | ManxPower | troubled: If you have echo on a call where there is no VoIP then you have SERIOUS problems with your system. |
| 23:13.37 | grandpapadot | i.e., PCI interleaving |
| 23:13.37 | ManxPower | IVRs do not change callerid |
| 23:13.37 | ManxPower | Unless you tell them to |
| 23:14.13 | ManxPower | troubled: you are not STUCK with anything precompiled. |
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| 23:16.17 | troubled | grandpapadot: sorry back. i realise that, but im using a fai setup to manage the reinstalls. doing a svn install just adds a whole bunch of steps. a last resort for sure |
| 23:16.51 | ManxPower | um,. download the 1.2.x or 1.4.x tarball, untar/uncompress, compile, install |
| 23:17.06 | ManxPower | no sane person would use SVN in production. |
| 23:17.14 | tzafrir_home | troubled, so build a backport of the 1.4 package |
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| 23:17.23 | ManxPower | Or more specifically, a random checkout of SVN |
| 23:17.36 | mamep | grandpapadot : ivr menu |
| 23:17.42 | grandpapadot | Oh, that's easy, if you're interested. Just do a simple shell script that wget's the files you need (from somewhere inside your network). Garbage in, garbage out, i.e., if the base ssytems are teh same from install to install and you run the script at the same step each time it should work great to download, decompress, make; make install |
| 23:17.46 | mamep | and then redirect to internal number |
| 23:18.07 | grandpapadot | Then just add some simple chown's to the script and cp the init.d, update_rc.d, etc. |
| 23:18.27 | tzafrir_home | troubled, zaptel builds fine on Etch. Asterisk - requires two changes: run the scripts debian/backports/etch* |
| 23:18.27 | rabelais | does the grandstream gxp-2000 work well with asterisk? there's a pretty huge page on voip-supply.org about the phone with problems and complaints, does anyone have personal experience with it? |
| 23:18.34 | grandpapadot | Oh, and add your user/group |
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| 23:18.48 | grandpapadot | Grandscream sucks in general, buy polycom |
| 23:18.50 | ManxPower | rabelais: virtually all grandstream products suck, regardless of what system you use them with. |
| 23:19.01 | rabelais | well, that answers my question |
| 23:19.06 | rabelais | hehe, thanks |
| 23:19.46 | rabelais | I'm glad I went with the spa3102 instead of the handytone 488 then... |
| 23:20.57 | troubled | ManxPower: well, ill have to check into it more. I havent done the custom kernel yet so im pretty sure im still run 250hz. was just wondering if there were any suggestions on where to start |
| 23:21.30 | mamep | grandpapadot : so any guidance? |
| 23:22.06 | grandpapadot | Sorry, missed some of the conversation. You're caller ID isn't changed unless you explicitly change it yourself inside the script. |
| 23:22.20 | mamep | hmm |
| 23:22.24 | grandpapadot | So ${CALLERID(all)} should be the same .. |
| 23:22.29 | mamep | let me give a paste |
| 23:22.36 | grandpapadot | is this an Asterisk install or FreePBX/TrixBox? |
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| 23:22.51 | mamep | when i can through zap channell |
| 23:22.53 | mamep | asterisk |
| 23:23.21 | grandpapadot | Are you attempting to "switch" through zap channels? i.e., take an inbound zap call and send it back out via zap? |
| 23:23.32 | mamep | no |
| 23:23.46 | grandpapadot | It should be unchanged, definitely pastebin your extensions.conf and I'll take a look |
| 23:24.04 | mamep | n i can through zap channell |
| 23:24.05 | mamep | [01:22am] [mamep] asterisk |
| 23:24.39 | mamep | http://pastebin.ca/873926 |
| 23:24.41 | mamep | check here |
| 23:24.45 | mamep | i get these errors |
| 23:24.47 | mamep | first of all |
| 23:25.12 | ManxPower | mamep: that has nothing whatsoever to do with an IVR |
| 23:25.15 | grandpapadot | Ok, that generally means missing or *badly* malformed caller id. |
| 23:25.36 | mamep | yeah but i told it was ivr's problem |
| 23:25.43 | mamep | so how can i fix this one first? |
| 23:25.54 | ManxPower | grandpapadot: It frequently means the audio gain is either too high or too low. |
| 23:26.13 | grandpapadot | When you Anser() the zap channel, right after that, do an exten => s,n,NoOp(${CALLERID(all)}) and tell us what you get in the CLI |
| 23:26.19 | grandpapadot | Answer() rather |
| 23:26.29 | mamep | ok |
| 23:26.31 | mamep | just a sec |
| 23:26.36 | ManxPower | You do not need to answer the line. |
| 23:26.37 | grandpapadot | ManxPower: Ahh! Never thought of that. |
| 23:26.58 | grandpapadot | Let me rephrase, right after the call is answered, dump the callerid string and see what it is. |
| 23:27.37 | mattwj2005 | well I am going to install AsteriskNOW when I get the file downloaded |
| 23:27.52 | grandpapadot | mamep: ManxPower suggest audio gain which makes sense to me... Since the caller id info is sent after the first ring |
| 23:28.37 | mamep | so a possible fix? |
| 23:30.01 | grandpapadot | Lower the gain or use the zaptel tuning until to troubleshoot, you're out of my scope now, I just do SIP |
| 23:30.13 | grandpapadot | until = util |
| 23:30.17 | grandpapadot | sorry, can't type today |
| 23:30.34 | grandpapadot | What TDM card are you using, mamep? |
| 23:32.10 | mamep | tdm400p with 3 fxo modules |
| 23:33.47 | grandpapadot | Google "asterisk FXOtune utility" it will likely lead to your fix |
| 23:33.57 | grandpapadot | or zaptel fxotune utility |
| 23:34.40 | mamep | hmm |
| 23:34.41 | mamep | ok |
| 23:37.37 | mamep | found something in voip-ingo |
| 23:37.38 | mamep | info |
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| 23:45.22 | sbingner | anybody use sipgate? - I got a number but I get invalid number when I try to call it |
| 23:47.39 | grandpapadot | Clearly, if you can't get a hold of them via their published number and they are a provider, might be best to move on to the next one |
| 23:50.36 | mamep | grandpapadot : http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+and+UK+Caller+ID |
| 23:50.46 | mamep | but trying and can't get anything working |
| 23:50.57 | grandpapadot | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.28 | grandpapadot | mamep? |
| 23:51.43 | mamep | nop |
| 23:51.44 | mamep | Greece |
| 23:52.00 | grandpapadot | Ahh.. way out of my area of expertise.. lol |
| 23:52.18 | wwalker | is there a way to turn on boot_wait on a wrt54gl before replacing the firmware? Currently, I put openwrt on it, then immediately enable boot_wait. |
| 23:53.13 | mamep | hehe |
| 23:55.43 | sbingner | grandpapadot, it's a free termination in germany... and I'm going there soon so I was hoping to set it up for calling back here heh |
| 23:56.06 | grandpapadot | Do you guys have SIP termination providers over there? |
| 23:57.09 | troubled | how long should this fxotune take on one fxo channel? |
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| 23:57.27 | troubled | just seems to keep repeating something about setting the registers over and over |
| 23:57.30 | asr33 | jbot is a sexual pervert? |
| 23:57.41 | asr33 | ~milf |
| 23:57.41 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, milf is a mom that you would want to apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 23:57.54 | grandpapadot | lol |
| 23:58.02 | asr33 | ~porn |
| 23:58.03 | jbot | Porn remains one of the largest problems with Open Source Software. Often causing development delays, flooded links and, in extreme cases, disabling programmers ability to type. |
| 23:58.16 | troubled | anyone? |
| 23:59.16 | wwalker | what worries me is that jbot requires a condom for porn |
| 23:59.50 | SwK | jbot belives in safe sex |
