| 00:05.31 | SteveTotaro | looks like it would work for a small ring group |
| 00:09.40 | hmmhesays | [TK]D-Fender whats up? |
| 00:09.48 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays, http://www.zzounds.com/item--IBARG350EX |
| 00:09.52 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays, bought it today :) |
| 00:10.13 | hmmhesays | nice, that should rock |
| 00:10.42 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays, went in really early, played it for about 30 mins or so again and then settled up. Came back a few hours later after they changed the strings, redid the intonation, etc and mounted my quick-release strap. |
| 00:10.48 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays, she plays FAST |
| 00:11.58 | anonymouz666 | [TK]D-Fender is not Fender anymore. He is [TK]D-Ibanez. |
| 00:12.00 | [TK]D-Fender | hmmhesays, slightly thicker neck than my Dean and Ibanez EX360 (over 15 years old at this point). |
| 00:12.10 | [TK]D-Fender | anonymouz666, my nick has nothing to do with music :) |
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| 00:12.27 | [TK]D-Fender | anonymouz666, I never owned or liked Fender's :) |
| 00:14.39 | WilliamK | need some oil for bender? |
| 00:14.42 | WilliamK | :) |
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| 00:32.49 | Frek818 | If you're in the Los Angeles area, you love Linux, and you want to work for a cool company, go here http://www.hermangriffin.com/jobs/ |
| 00:33.12 | Frek818 | <html> |
| 00:33.12 | Frek818 | <head> |
| 00:33.12 | Frek818 | </head> |
| 00:33.12 | Frek818 | <body style="width: 700px;"> |
| 00:33.12 | Frek818 | <h3>Excellent Job Opportunity</h3> |
| 00:34.56 | tzafrir_home | Part of the job would be to teach them what exactly HTML is |
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| 00:36.24 | Frek818 | If you're in the Los Angeles area, you love Linux, and you want to work for a cool company, go here http://www.hermangriffin.com/jobs/ |
| 00:37.00 | Frek818 | If you're in the Los Angeles area, you love Linux & Asterisk, and you want to work for a cool company, go here http://www.hermangriffin.com/jobs/ |
| 00:37.25 | denon | Frek818: there are mailing lists for that type of thing |
| 00:37.30 | denon | please don't spam in the channel |
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| 00:49.10 | mosty | is there a way in asterisk 1.2 to see what codec a call is using from the dialplan? |
| 00:51.39 | drmessano | Hmm |
| 00:51.47 | drmessano | That job sounds too good to be true |
| 00:52.17 | drmessano | Im thinking.. Gotta be a kidnapper or Nigerian 419 |
| 00:58.31 | drmessano | http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/01/19/macbookcommodorecompare.jpg |
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| 01:28.41 | luckyone | why does my /var/run/asterisk/ directory get deleted all the time? |
| 01:29.15 | jblack | No idea. That's not normal behaviour. |
| 01:29.19 | luckyone | that path is never there so when I start * it dosn't create the asterisk.ctl |
| 01:29.30 | luckyone | then I can't connect to it via cli |
| 01:29.32 | ManxPower | you're not using a gui asterisk, are you? |
| 01:29.35 | luckyone | no |
| 01:29.47 | luckyone | I just built 1.4.17 from source |
| 01:29.59 | luckyone | starting with /etc/init.d/asterisk start |
| 01:30.06 | luckyone | (as root) |
| 01:32.49 | mosty | luckyone, deleted? are you sure it was created in the first place? |
| 01:33.54 | WilliamK | mosty, are you going to chase people tonight to find out how much they've had to drink? :) |
| 01:34.09 | WilliamK | it is a saturday night ya know... |
| 01:34.24 | mosty | WilliamK, sunday morning here |
| 01:34.46 | WilliamK | ah, you've already passed the fun then... |
| 01:34.51 | mosty | actually it's afternoon now |
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| 01:36.08 | ManxPower | Mostly is cool! He lives in the *future*. |
| 01:36.23 | mosty | yeah, the flying cars are great |
| 01:36.37 | jblack | whap. |
| 01:36.40 | luckyone | mosty: no, no I am not |
| 01:36.57 | WilliamK | flying cars + saturday nights != don't mix with humans |
| 01:37.36 | WilliamK | instead of waiting for an airplane to fall from sky, you'd have people parking on the roof |
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| 01:51.28 | luckyone | so what have I done incorrectly? when I call my DID with my cell phone and answer it with the sip client on my computer, as I am talking into my cellphone, it is echoing back to me what I am saying... |
| 01:52.03 | luckyone | I thought it was feed back from the mic, but it even does this with the microphone off |
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| 02:04.27 | ManxPower | luckyone: Echo must be removed where the call is converted from the PSTN to VoIP. |
| 02:05.15 | luckyone | hmmm |
| 02:05.34 | luckyone | I have no idea where that would be via cellphone to voip |
| 02:06.19 | luckyone | also, my sip client is taking *forever* to place calls |
| 02:06.42 | luckyone | I see them go on the stack almost instantly but the phone doesn't ring for a minute or more... |
| 02:13.44 | luckyone | what is the best soft client? |
| 02:13.58 | luckyone | I have ekiga, it seems buggy to me |
| 02:14.05 | luckyone | (probably something that I did...() |
| 02:14.06 | UnixDog | yes just got flite 1.3 on bsd for asterisk now app flite |
| 02:14.20 | UnixDog | and then we are good to rock and roll |
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| 02:45.28 | teknoprep | hey al |
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| 03:09.55 | esaym | I am confused. I have 2 analog phones both hooked up to a dual fxs grandstream ata. I managed to get them working last night but this morning they are both putting out busy tones. I don't know why. this log makes me think that it is a problem with the ata it self: http://pastebin.com/m218cfc7a but I am not sure. It seems like the ata is indeed putting out the busy signal. |
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| 03:17.46 | esaym | Actually, I am running a network scanner now and it does not appear that the ata is ever sending data to the server and vice versa. Hmm |
| 03:18.23 | Agrajag- | g'day, i'm trying to test out asterisk 1.4.17, i ran configure with --prefix=/home/foo/asterisk, but the first thing "make install" wants to do is create /var/lib/asterisk. is there something else special configure needs for this? |
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| 03:22.46 | esaym | well no, the ata is sending back data saying it is busy |
| 03:22.48 | esaym | hmm |
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| 03:35.05 | jblack | I hear bad things about grandstream all the time. |
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| 03:57.45 | drmessano | Is there any way to manipulate the Jabber user created with app_jabber.. As in, send it commands, etc |
| 04:00.12 | jameswf-home | ECHO oh oh oh oh ohh |
| 04:02.12 | drmessano | res_jabber.. my bad |
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| 04:41.13 | hmodes | anyone seen any issues with 1.6 beta1 hanging up cisco sip clients because they don't respond to 200 OK after call setup? looking for a workaround, can't find anything particularly relevant in mantis. |
| 04:42.41 | russellb | hmodes: haven't heard of that. It is likely related to the new SIP session timers support |
| 04:42.54 | russellb | hmodes: please post a SIP debug of the call to mantis |
| 04:43.01 | russellb | i appreciate you testing it out |
| 04:43.31 | hmodes | yupper, will do |
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| 04:58.38 | tasterisk | I have Asterisk setup, I can make outbound calls with no problem. Can someone give me some insight on how to do an inbound calls that rings extension 1000? |
| 05:00.22 | Corydon76-dig | tasterisk: using what kind of trunks? |
| 05:00.38 | russellb | Corydon76-dig: wooden ones |
| 05:00.54 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: no elephant trunks? |
| 05:01.01 | russellb | not today |
| 05:01.30 | WilliamK | I think this is the most exciting thing I've seen today |
| 05:01.36 | tasterisk | SIP, I use broadvoice. |
| 05:01.39 | WilliamK | anyone wanna do taxes for me? |
| 05:01.42 | WilliamK | :) |
| 05:02.04 | Corydon76-dig | tasterisk: do you have a default context set up in sip.conf? |
| 05:02.28 | WilliamK | SIP = Southern Ireland Pine |
| 05:02.30 | WilliamK | :) |
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| 05:03.15 | Corydon76-dig | I'm feeling generous this evening. I have a date tomorrow afternoon |
| 05:03.28 | WilliamK | a DATE?!?!?!?!? |
| 05:03.29 | WilliamK | :) |
| 05:03.32 | Corydon76-dig | and my class plans for Monday are written |
| 05:03.34 | russellb | dun dun dunnnnnnnn |
| 05:03.47 | tasterisk | Yes, let me look at it now. |
| 05:04.16 | WilliamK | what kind of class plans for education? |
| 05:04.31 | Corydon76-dig | tasterisk: so you want to set up an extension in that context that matches the number that broadvoice is sending |
| 05:04.32 | russellb | C programming! |
| 05:04.51 | russellb | Corydon76-dig: do you know how many people have expressed interest? |
| 05:05.04 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: yeah, we have close to 20 |
| 05:05.20 | tasterisk | I have a BV_in and BV_out context in sip.conf along with context for my extension. |
| 05:05.25 | russellb | Corydon76-dig: oh wow, that's awesome!! |
| 05:06.11 | WilliamK | I tried to get file to teach.... |
| 05:06.17 | WilliamK | it didn't go over soo well |
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| 05:06.37 | teknoprep | hey all |
| 05:07.14 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: 21, I think, total... including 3 from outside the company |
| 05:07.17 | hmodes | issue filed as 11800 if you care to take a peak russell, thanks for paying attention at this late hour :) |
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| 05:08.01 | russellb | hmodes: great, thanks. i'll take a look on monday :) |
| 05:08.25 | hmodes | good deal, i'll try to remember to check in on it then |
| 05:08.54 | russellb | hmodes: you should get email with any updates |
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| 05:09.19 | hmodes | cool, been forever since i've submitted a bug |
| 05:09.28 | russellb | heh, that's a good thing, i hope! |
| 05:09.34 | tasterisk | All I get is a message saying the party you have reached is not available. And to leave a message. |
| 05:09.37 | hmodes | yes, i think so! |
| 05:11.40 | Corydon76-dig | tasterisk: run a SIP debug |
| 05:11.43 | WilliamK | so who was it that was saying the printer under 150.00 that does scan-2-email? |
| 05:12.20 | Corydon76-dig | tasterisk: look for the 404, then look at the last dialog and ensure that's the context it's sending |
| 05:12.25 | fujin | lol, I bought my grandparents one of those. |
| 05:12.28 | fujin | $149 nzd |
| 05:12.34 | Corydon76-dig | or the extension |
| 05:12.45 | tasterisk | Ok thanks. I'll try it. |
| 05:13.58 | Corydon76-dig | "sip set debug" and "sip set debug off" |
| 05:14.11 | *** part/#asterisk ManxPower (n=manxpowe@69.2.85.41) |
| 05:14.13 | WilliamK | fujin, what model? |
| 05:15.39 | russellb | you should buy me one |
| 05:15.41 | russellb | that's my comment |
| 05:16.02 | WilliamK | hmmm, I have to think about that one :) |
| 05:16.04 | Corydon76-dig | MythTV ftw |
| 05:16.31 | Corydon76-dig | btw, my projector screen apparently shipped today |
| 05:16.45 | russellb | yay |
| 05:16.55 | WilliamK | I like the idea of being able to plugin a device to the tv and download things off the net... tis a good idea |
| 05:17.04 | russellb | MythTV and AppleTV aren't really the same thing |
| 05:17.08 | russellb | AppleTV != PVR |
| 05:17.10 | WilliamK | just wish they woulda made software to do it on the LCD HDTVs |
| 05:17.12 | WilliamK | woulda rocked |
| 05:17.33 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: if you had a projector running in my office and an 800 number for the DTMF, do you think we could set up the DTMF game in my office on Monday? |
| 05:17.56 | russellb | Corydon76-dig: rear projection screen? |
| 05:18.03 | russellb | or do you mean just on the inside |
| 05:18.06 | WilliamK | it does appear though that you can put media files on the AppleTV and play them though |
| 05:18.13 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: against the wall |
| 05:18.16 | russellb | Corydon76-dig: i have a DID already set up on it |
| 05:18.18 | WilliamK | I saw somewhere they were going to fix DivX on it this week |
| 05:18.31 | russellb | it's pretty much ready to go, minus a display |
| 05:18.32 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: I have an 800 number I can forward to a DID |
| 05:18.43 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: hence the projector |
| 05:18.48 | russellb | gotcha |
| 05:18.51 | Corydon76-dig | 1024x768 enough? |
| 05:19.21 | russellb | should be yeah |
| 05:20.00 | WilliamK | i have an 800 number that some california company keeps advertising Reverse Mortgages for |
| 05:20.07 | WilliamK | it's interesting |
| 05:30.17 | WilliamK | just hit me like a rock.. apple missed putting an svideo port on the appletv but at least they put an HDMI |
| 05:43.25 | Frek818 | Excellent job for Linux geek in Los Angeles area http://hermangriffin.com/jobs/ |
| 05:43.51 | drmessano | Hmmm |
| 05:43.56 | drmessano | Kick the spammer? |
| 05:44.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig, russellb, ? |
| 05:44.46 | russellb | eh ... it's an asterisk related job, i don't personally care |
| 05:44.46 | Frek818 | Why am I a spammer for trying to help someone out? |
| 05:44.48 | Qwell | not really a spammer.. |
| 05:44.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell, He's been doing it all day... |
| 05:45.30 | Frek818 | This is my second time send the message, come on now, get real. |
| 05:45.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Frek818, your previous "paste a whole web page here" flood was a nice touch too. |
| 05:45.40 | drmessano | second? |
| 05:45.43 | russellb | chill |
| 05:45.46 | Frek818 | My mistake |
| 05:45.50 | hmodes | imo if they're giving out a phone number to a community with scriptable dialers... they probably don't have sinister intentions... |
| 05:45.59 | Frek818 | It wasn't intentional |
| 05:46.13 | Qwell | Frek818: why not post the name of the company? |
| 05:46.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Frek818, forth without looking really hard. |
| 05:46.57 | jameswf-home | I like spam especialy that grease layer mmmmmm |
| 05:47.18 | Frek818 | Cause some people are intimidated by the job. |
| 05:47.49 | Frek818 | The name of the company is Fonality. |
| 05:47.57 | jameswf-home | lmao thats why |
| 05:48.07 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 05:48.28 | Frek818 | Asterisk users would be intimidated, but a average Linux user might. |
| 05:48.29 | jameswf-home | they dont use the F word in these parts |
| 05:48.34 | Frek818 | wouldn't* |
| 05:48.52 | drmessano | Who is Fonality? Never heard of em |
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| 05:48.59 | Frek818 | So you've hear of them? |
| 05:49.05 | drmessano | lol |
| 05:49.12 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, Owners of... TRIXBOX! |
| 05:49.16 | drmessano | I know |
| 05:49.23 | jameswf-home | damn sarcasm |
| 05:49.25 | jameswf-home | lol |
| 05:49.40 | russellb | hm, that changes my opinion of the posting :) |
| 05:49.43 | Qwell | so why would people be intimidated by that? |
| 05:49.48 | jameswf-home | Chris kinda looks like a serial killer |
| 05:50.12 | russellb | that's amusing ... qualifications for a fonality support person ... moving files from the linux command line |
| 05:50.21 | Frek818 | Not asterisk user, but you don't necesarrily need to by a Asterisk expert to Support our product. |
| 05:50.28 | drmessano | "Knowledge of asterisk is a bonus" <--- Holy crap.. good passive attitude |
| 05:50.38 | Frek818 | It's helpful though. |
| 05:50.41 | Qwell | Frek818: no, any idea can support it |
| 05:50.52 | jameswf-home | Frek whats your role a fonality..... aparently not a technical role or you wouldnt be here |
| 05:51.08 | drmessano | Thats like a Microsoft ad "Knowledge of Windows desired, but not necessary" |
| 05:51.16 | Frek818 | jameswf-home : why do you say that? |
| 05:51.26 | Frek818 | I'm a Support Tech. |
| 05:51.38 | jameswf-home | trying to get a referal bonus? |
| 05:51.47 | russellb | burn. |
| 05:51.49 | drmessano | Having a passive knowledge of asterisk is "helpful"? |
| 05:51.59 | Qwell | I'm sure he'd love to know this :p |
| 05:52.07 | Frek818 | Yes, I've done well in the company and I didn't have any Asterisk knowledge. |
| 05:52.20 | drmessano | Thats does NOT surprise me |
| 05:52.27 | russellb | drmessano: lol! |
| 05:52.27 | Frek818 | I was intmidated when I originally read the job listing. |
| 05:52.28 | hmodes | wow, this got amusing fast ;p |
| 05:52.34 | russellb | hmodes: agreed. |
| 05:52.41 | jameswf-home | :) |
| 05:52.57 | jameswf-home | turns on the WOW Roflmao video |
| 05:53.03 | drmessano | Frek818, so what you are saying is, I can work at Fonality with no Asterisk knowledge? |
| 05:53.11 | Qwell | drmessano: and succeed |
| 05:53.17 | russellb | and do _well_ |
| 05:53.20 | jameswf-home | drmessano: why not everyone else does |
| 05:53.33 | drmessano | I knew Fonality knew nothing about Asterisk, but JEEZ |
| 05:53.33 | Qwell | drmessano: in _support_ even |
| 05:53.37 | Frek818 | Yes, of course you learn it, but starting out, it's not required. |
| 05:53.39 | drmessano | This is like the watergate tapes |
| 05:53.55 | drmessano | Do you REALLY? |
| 05:54.13 | jameswf-home | Frek818: you may want to consult your engineering team before coming in to these rooms |
| 05:54.26 | Frek818 | The web interface makes asterisk usable by you average Joe. |
| 05:54.35 | Qwell | jameswf-home: they're already gonna have a policy about it on Monday, after this email to Samy :P |
| 05:54.37 | Frek818 | your* |
| 05:54.49 | russellb | Frek818: so i have to ask ... what happens when you can't figure out a problem? I mean, you don't make asterisk, you don't make freepbx, you don't do any of the core coding for the "products" you sell ... who do you turn to? |
| 05:55.02 | russellb | and by you, i mean your company .. |
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| 05:55.16 | drmessano | Blame FreePBX, then Asterisk, then CentOS? |
| 05:55.28 | jameswf-home | I predict a sangoma rant next |
| 05:55.50 | Qwell | jameswf-home: go for it - they're your competitor too :p |
| 05:55.59 | drmessano | Frek818, what do tech guys REALLY think of Rhino hardware? |
| 05:56.15 | Frek818 | Of course we have different levels of Support to assist. That the great thing about it, if you don't know, you will learn quickly. |
| 05:56.21 | jameswf-home | russel is more eliquent... every time i go off someone calls my boss |
| 05:57.09 | drmessano | Frek818, if I get that job... do I get to meet Chris Lyman? |
| 05:57.12 | russellb | different levels of support, all in the company that doesn't make any of the things you're supporting |
| 05:57.13 | russellb | that's my point |
| 05:57.15 | Frek818 | I personally thinks it's a good, afordable product. |
| 05:57.20 | russellb | it's not a question you can answer |
| 05:57.30 | russellb | it's rhetorical. |
| 05:57.39 | jameswf-home | rhino makes more than one product :) |
| 05:57.56 | Frek818 | The channel bank is what I'm referring to. |
| 05:58.00 | drmessano | It's like Ford supporting the Space Shuttle because it has tires on it |
| 05:58.14 | Qwell | space shuttles have tires? |
| 05:58.18 | russellb | drmessano: another zinger! |
| 05:58.31 | russellb | Qwell: yeah dude. go to the space museum sometime :-p |
| 05:58.39 | Qwell | I totally need to |
| 05:58.41 | jameswf-home | Fred whats the solution to a channel bank not working with a sangoma card |
| 05:58.46 | Qwell | it's like.. |
| 05:58.46 | russellb | they have a tire in there ... "good for 3 landings" or something |
| 05:58.49 | Qwell | right there |
| 05:58.51 | drmessano | russellb: This is damn close to my dream of having Chris_L_Fon popping in.. lol |
| 05:59.29 | russellb | oh man, i'd need a better suit to guard me from the flames ... |
| 05:59.48 | jameswf-home | I swear I have seen kerry here |
| 05:59.53 | drmessano | Frek818... On a serious note.. Do you guys really read all that data you scam from users boxes? |
| 05:59.54 | jameswf-home | maybe not |
| 05:59.58 | drmessano | Where do you get the time? |
| 06:00.00 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, I recall it a few times. |
| 06:00.02 | Qwell | jameswf-home: he has...but not since Fonality |
| 06:00.43 | jameswf-home | maybe andrew would be a good guest |
| 06:00.46 | Frek818 | drmessano : What I'm saying is, with basic Linux experience and trobleshooting, you can learn enough about Asterisks to sovle any problem. |
| 06:00.57 | Qwell | jameswf-home: andrew doesn't know Asterisk, so why would he come here? |
| 06:01.04 | Qwell | Asterisks? Leave. |
| 06:01.05 | jameswf-home | to learn :) |
| 06:01.33 | drmessano | Frek818: I think having a passive knowledge of Asterisk is exactly what I would expect from Fonality Tech Sipport |
| 06:01.36 | jameswf-home | e knows basic linux ttroubleshooting he could do asterisksksksks |
| 06:01.39 | drmessano | Err support |
| 06:01.44 | drmessano | AKERISK? |
| 06:01.56 | russellb | okz, plz to be fixing my asterix |
| 06:01.58 | jameswf-home | damn how do i fix echo |
| 06:01.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell, Yes, you can down Asterisks of the internets.... Dubbya says so! |
| 06:02.03 | Qwell | russellb: google adwords |
| 06:02.10 | russellb | O.O |
| 06:02.14 | Qwell | google asterisk |
| 06:02.22 | russellb | yeah, i know. |
| 06:02.32 | russellb | please don't start that up again in here ... |
| 06:02.33 | jameswf-home | ?q=* |
| 06:02.43 | drmessano | Frek818, I am having a problem with my Trixbox, can you help? |
| 06:03.01 | jameswf-home | first you need to make your T a t |
| 06:03.02 | russellb | ~trixbox |
| 06:03.03 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, trixbox is a full linux distro that includes FreePBX and other 3rd party add-ons. It is all this extra stuff which makes trixbox VERY difficult to support, and is not supported in #asterisk. Try asking in #trixbox or on their forums & wiki at http://www.trixbox.org |
| 06:03.17 | drmessano | I accidentally installed CentOS and Asterisk over top of it, and I lost the cron job that pulls my anonymous user data.. Where can I get a copy? |
| 06:03.22 | jameswf-home | ~fonality |
| 06:03.38 | jameswf-home | was hoping for something good |
| 06:03.44 | Frek818 | drmessano : I think you'd make a good politician. You can rev the crowd, but you don't know much about what you're talking about, regard the Support Level at Fonality. |
| 06:03.51 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 06:04.03 | jameswf-home | drmessano: DAMN TROLL |
| 06:04.14 | Qwell | Frek818: you've made it pretty clear about what people can expect |
| 06:04.23 | drmessano | I know more about Aster... FreeP... What DO you guys specialize in? |
| 06:04.24 | russellb | Frek818: i'm not sure arguing that you don't need to know anything makes you look good ... |
| 06:04.31 | jameswf-home | Frek818: are you on the free or paid side |
| 06:05.00 | [TK]D-Fender | Frek818, you coming in here is like Jerry Falwell crashing the Gay Pride parade.... |
| 06:05.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Frek818, Expect it to burn for WEEKS |
| 06:05.29 | drmessano | I R NO FIREBOX WEB BROWSAR, I CAN HAZ SUPPROT TRAXBUX? |
| 06:05.48 | jameswf-home | I can has a cheeseburger? |
| 06:05.56 | Frek818 | russellb : What do you mean? |
| 06:06.03 | Frek818 | Side of what? |
| 06:06.21 | jameswf-home | Frek818: Do you do free support or paid support |
| 06:06.26 | Qwell | "You don't even need to know how to use a computer to do support for Fonality." "Fonality has great support!" |
| 06:06.27 | russellb | Frek818: drmessano was saying that he would expect Fonality support to understand asterisk, and you were telling him he was wrong. i meant that it wasn't helping your cause. |
| 06:06.36 | Qwell | those statements simply don't go together |
| 06:07.10 | drmessano | I am going to pay you $100 for one hour of teaching me less about Asterisk? No wonder so many people love Trixbox |
| 06:07.27 | russellb | that's a _deal_ ! |
| 06:07.28 | jameswf-home | OK OK come on.... So to change the subject Frek818 what do you think of asterisk 1.6 |
| 06:07.41 | jameswf-home | bwa hahah |
| 06:07.53 | Frek818 | No, I said, coming into the company, you're not required to be a Asterisk expert, but once you're hired, you will become a good or great Asterisk user soon. |
| 06:08.03 | drmessano | "good" |
| 06:08.05 | drmessano | Thats what I want |
| 06:08.06 | russellb | lol |
| 06:08.09 | Qwell | user |
| 06:08.10 | drmessano | A "good" user |
| 06:08.12 | Qwell | THAT's what I want |
| 06:08.16 | russellb | Call our support, where we have mediocre knowledge! |
| 06:08.19 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 06:08.20 | jameswf-home | I feel so used |
| 06:08.47 | Frek818 | And if you are a great Asterisk user, then you probably wont be a Level 1 Support Tech. |
| 06:08.52 | Qwell | user |
| 06:08.54 | jameswf-home | you should be 1 step igher then user to support asterisk |
| 06:09.01 | drmessano | No, if you are a pretty good user, they make you a developer |
| 06:09.11 | jameswf-home | s/igher/higher/ |
| 06:09.14 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, now have a good cry! |
| 06:09.27 | russellb | this is great stuff. |
| 06:09.56 | Frek818 | Our customers aren't command line junkies, they regular people, that want an easy to use PBX. |
| 06:09.58 | drmessano | I just love the Trixbox 2.4.0, 2.4.1, and 2.4.2 Betas |
| 06:10.05 | drmessano | Oh wait.. you guys dont consider them... |
| 06:10.11 | russellb | a PBS with no parts that you make |
| 06:10.15 | jameswf-home | russellb: to show te level of intuitive thinking he still hasent figured out what people think of fonality |
| 06:10.15 | russellb | s/PBS/PBX/ |
| 06:10.27 | hmodes | in frek's defense, the level 1 support folks at vonage generally have never used the service ;p |
| 06:10.40 | russellb | hmodes: no defending allowed! |
| 06:10.43 | jameswf-home | isnt level 1 usualy in india |
| 06:10.46 | Qwell | hmodes: you used...Vonage...to come to somebody's defense? |
| 06:10.48 | Qwell | shame on you |
| 06:10.51 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 06:10.52 | Qwell | how mean |
| 06:11.09 | Qwell | that might be the meanest thing I've seen said here all night |
| 06:11.14 | hmodes | philippines, but sure ;p |
| 06:11.19 | jameswf-home | vonage is good as long as it doesnt go down and you dont need any form of customer service |
| 06:11.30 | hmodes | Qwell: you see what i did right there? |
| 06:11.41 | hmodes | 'defense' was the joke |
| 06:11.44 | Qwell | :p |
| 06:11.52 | Qwell | I was running with it |
| 06:11.56 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, Oh and you like locked service and the threat of them getting sued out of existance and your number lost to you. |
| 06:13.00 | jameswf-home | I had vonage for like 8 months and had no issue with em untill it was time to cancel... that day exery executive I could find a number for got a voice mail and I got my money back :) |
| 06:13.29 | jameswf-home | I is good on da google |
| 06:13.34 | russellb | Frek818: Can you help me be the next vonage? |
| 06:13.39 | russellb | Frek818: does vonage run trixbox? |
| 06:13.40 | hmodes | bahahahahahahaha |
| 06:13.45 | Frek818 | drmessano : Where does you animosity of Fonality stem from, I don't understand. |
| 06:14.08 | drmessano | Well, see.. it all started around the time they bought Trixbox |
| 06:14.09 | jameswf-home | Frek you dont understand thats why you shouldnt represent fonality here |
| 06:14.12 | Frek818 | Or any of you that have animosity. |
| 06:14.15 | Qwell | or anywhere |
| 06:14.23 | Qwell | Frek818: s/any of you/everybody in here/ |
| 06:14.30 | drmessano | LOL |
| 06:14.30 | Qwell | except you |
| 06:15.04 | Frek818 | Then I you should have plenty to valid reason to not like them, right? |
| 06:15.12 | Qwell | to not like who? Fonality? |
| 06:15.12 | Frek818 | I just want one valid reason. |
| 06:15.12 | Qwell | yes. |
| 06:15.16 | Frek818 | Yes |
| 06:15.18 | Qwell | you |
| 06:15.18 | drmessano | I love Trixbox... I can set up a Vonage Server for making Voice Over Internet Explorer calls in minutes for free to the world |
| 06:15.18 | jameswf-home | everyone else is doing it so join us |
| 06:15.23 | Qwell | you are the current reason |
| 06:15.38 | *** join/#asterisk Lawbringer (n=Lawbring@cpc4-rdng12-0-0-cust292.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 06:15.44 | Frek818 | Valid reason. |
| 06:15.47 | drmessano | Fonality is the root of all evil? |
| 06:16.02 | Frek818 | drmessano : Elaborate. |
| 06:16.03 | drmessano | Wait.. thats a statement |
| 06:16.03 | *** join/#asterisk marc7 (n=marc@64.46.14.64.novuscom.net) |
| 06:16.04 | Qwell | Frek818: show me one line of code that Fonality has given back to any of the projects it uses |
| 06:16.04 | jameswf-home | I thought that was al gore |
| 06:16.08 | Qwell | one line, that's all I ask |
| 06:16.12 | russellb | you're from a company that does absolutely nothing to benefit the open source asterisk community, which is the focus of this chat room |
| 06:16.17 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, No, ints the inverse cosine ;) |
| 06:16.39 | Frek818 | Any changes that have been made to Asterisk have been submitted to the community. |
| 06:16.41 | Qwell | I will stop speaking if you can show me one line of code that anybody at Fonality has written and contributed back |
| 06:16.43 | Frek818 | it GNU |
| 06:16.43 | jameswf-home | not even a thankyou.... it |
| 06:16.49 | Frek818 | it's GNU |
| 06:16.54 | drmessano | Foanlity is a parasite on the open source community, your CEO even brags about it, and your products do nothing by dumb down the very people that should be learning asterisk? |
| 06:17.14 | drmessano | Oh, and the GREEN |
| 06:17.22 | drmessano | Thats a GOOD reason |
| 06:17.25 | drmessano | "Green" |
| 06:17.28 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, its snot that bad! |
| 06:17.30 | Qwell | drmessano: now, now, the green wasn't his choice |
| 06:17.32 | jameswf-home | drmessano: you so stole that line and insertrd fonality |
| 06:17.34 | marc7 | hey guys, if I'm making an outbound call with asterisk... is there any way to recognize when someone picks up and is playing the U.S. SIT (Special Information Tone) signal: Vacant Circuit (out of service or nonexistent phone number) |
| 06:17.36 | Frek818 | Why does the average Joe Smoe need to know exactly how Asterisk works? |
| 06:17.38 | Frek818 | For what? |
| 06:17.45 | drmessano | LOL |
| 06:17.47 | drmessano | Nothing, dude |
| 06:17.51 | drmessano | Fuck asterisk.. |
| 06:18.01 | jameswf-home | the average joe smoe shouldnt be working on asterisk |
| 06:18.16 | Qwell | Frek818: so, you can't point me to one line of code? |
| 06:18.18 | drmessano | The average joe schmoe shouldnt be admining a PBX |
| 06:18.24 | drmessano | Hmm.. connection |
| 06:18.26 | Qwell | not even one? really? |
| 06:18.36 | drmessano | Wait |
| 06:18.36 | Frek818 | But isn't Asterisk suppossed to reply the big name phone systems? How will it accomplish it's goals? |
| 06:18.38 | drmessano | YES THEY DID |
| 06:18.50 | russellb | Frek818: what are you talking about? |
| 06:18.51 | Frek818 | s/reply/replace/ |
| 06:18.55 | drmessano | They fixed the typo in the Network Settings app they stole from Elastix |
| 06:19.00 | drmessano | YES! |
| 06:19.09 | Qwell | drmessano: but they didn't contribute it back, did they? |
| 06:19.20 | drmessano | Download the ISO.. what are you lazy? |
| 06:19.27 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:19.29 | russellb | i've looked at Fonality's changes to Asterisk. They aren't even CLOSE to what you guys claim they are |
| 06:19.34 | russellb | a lot of it is complete crap |
| 06:19.42 | Qwell | ^ true |
| 06:19.46 | russellb | and some things your CEO has claimed are complete lies |
| 06:19.49 | Frek818 | On contributing back, all Asterisk changes by Fonality are available to whoever wants to use them. |
| 06:19.50 | Qwell | #ifdef FONALITY |
| 06:19.54 | russellb | "re-wrote chan_agent" WRONG |
| 06:19.55 | Qwell | s/asterisk/pbxtra/ |
| 06:19.57 | Qwell | #endif |
| 06:19.58 | jblack | What's going on/ |
| 06:20.04 | jameswf-home | I read fonality rewrote 10,000 lines |
| 06:20.08 | Qwell | jameswf-home: see above |
| 06:20.15 | russellb | jameswf-home: and that's when i went and looked at it, and it's not even close |
| 06:20.28 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, one of the Red-coats showed up ;) |
| 06:20.38 | Qwell | Frek818: I didn't say just Asterisk. I said any of the programs that make up trixbox. |
| 06:20.44 | Qwell | including freepbx |
| 06:20.45 | jblack | Didn't we ship them back a couple hundred years ago? |
| 06:21.01 | russellb | and someone spent FOREVER changing every instance of manager_event() in the code to look like ... <header>value</header ... instead of Header: value ... didn't change any content. that was a huge portion of the changes |
| 06:21.02 | drmessano | http://www.trixbox.com/about-us/blog/open-source-closed-minds <-- Including that... The biggest pile of self serving shit justification for taking other peoples code, using it, and not giving shit back |
| 06:21.23 | drmessano | Should have titled it, "Open Source, closed wallet" |
| 06:21.54 | jameswf-home | drmessano: I thought that read as a I biught trixbox to make millions off its popularity and all money made goes direct to pay kerry and andrew |
| 06:21.59 | russellb | There are different types of companies. All companies want to make money. Some do good for the world while they do it, and some don't. |
| 06:22.07 | russellb | Fonality falls into the category of not doing anything good. |
| 06:22.27 | Qwell | russellb: well, they do give people like Frek818 jobs. |
| 06:22.30 | jameswf-home | I like googles creed "dont be evil" |
| 06:22.49 | drmessano | Foanlity doesnt make any money off Trixbox.. Thats the reason for Ads, scraping usage info from the boxes, etc.. "Trixbox" is broke (*rolls eyes*) |
| 06:23.28 | russellb | Qwell: true. yay for being able to eat |
| 06:23.50 | drmessano | Oh |
| 06:23.53 | drmessano | and lets not forget |
| 06:24.06 | jameswf-home | I still wanna here the call where they call digium and say dude our hardware audit tool says alot of users use digium cards in trixbox will you donate |
| 06:24.20 | Qwell | jameswf-home: they won't :) |
| 06:24.37 | drmessano | "We dont give to Asterisk and FreePBX because we use a LOT of products in Trixbox and how would be decide who is more deserving? So, we dont give to ANYONE" |
| 06:24.41 | Qwell | I mean, they won't call |
| 06:24.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Kerry really was an entirely believable choice for his newfound position. he's been telling idiots they can and should run PBX's, pimping Gradsuck gear and every other 2-bit option out there and marketing it as "cool" and leading untold legions of trolls who couldn't even figure TRIXBOX out here to be ejected unceremoniously. |
| 06:25.14 | drmessano | "We dont give to Asterisk and FreePBX because we use a LOT of products in Trixbox and how would be decide who is more deserving? So, we dont give to ANYONE.. we're being FAIR" |
| 06:25.16 | drmessano | Thats it |
| 06:25.43 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, I'm an "equal opportunity" bigot! :) |
| 06:25.48 | drmessano | LOL |
| 06:26.26 | jameswf-home | drmessano: actualy the recent tag line is " just because we figured out how to monitize our project doesnt mean we should have to help those who cant monitize theirs" |
| 06:26.40 | drmessano | Niiice |
| 06:27.16 | russellb | i just ... don't understand what the project is |
| 06:27.22 | jameswf-home | there was some rant about the freepbx training and good for them but they really shouldnt promote it to trix folks |
| 06:27.31 | drmessano | Lets not ever forget the whole "Oh, we installed a malicious cron job on your boxes to scrape usage data.. We could have hidden it better.. but decided not to.. We didnt think you would be upset, and planned to tell you.......eventually" |
| 06:27.36 | russellb | building really crappy and insecure monitoring systems? |
| 06:28.14 | Qwell | drmessano: it was more "we didn't think you'd notice so quickly" |
| 06:28.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Qwell, SMRT! |
| 06:28.31 | jameswf-home | some of us have been working on registry.pl we added like dd to the end of commandt to generate 20MB files :) |
| 06:28.33 | drmessano | But lucky for them, theres legions of Kerry loving, green underwear wearing fanboys that are quick to defend it |
| 06:28.43 | Frek818 | What do you think about DreamHost, Cpanel, or any other closed source program that make Open Source software easier to use? |
| 06:28.53 | russellb | "we didn't think having a script accept arbirary commands to run on the server would be any kind of problem" |
| 06:28.58 | drmessano | "Guys, STOP.. Dont make Fonality stop making Trixbox!! Then someone may have to make something better!" |
| 06:28.59 | jblack | I never did get a clear picture of all the players. |
| 06:29.07 | russellb | awwww |
| 06:29.07 | Qwell | heh, idiot |
| 06:29.18 | Qwell | does he not realize that trixbox *IS* open source? |
| 06:29.22 | drmessano | I feel SOOOO much better |
| 06:29.27 | russellb | that was great. |
| 06:29.27 | Qwell | he blew his argument |
| 06:29.27 | *** join/#asterisk Frek818 (n=herman@adsl-69-234-203-190.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 06:29.32 | russellb | he's back! |
| 06:29.32 | Qwell | Frek818: umm |
| 06:29.35 | Qwell | closed source? |
| 06:29.39 | Qwell | trixbox is *OPEN SOURCE* |
| 06:29.45 | jameswf-home | drmessano: its not Trixbox its trixbox you have to use their Trademark properly |
| 06:29.51 | drmessano | Sorry |
| 06:29.54 | russellb | gah. |
| 06:29.59 | jblack | In simple terms, is Fonality to Digium as Trixbox is to asterisk? |
| 06:30.05 | russellb | by the way, thank you to everyone for such great entertainment. |
| 06:30.11 | jblack | Pardon, trixbox |
| 06:30.20 | jameswf-home | digium is asterisk |
| 06:30.33 | drmessano | Trixbox is to Asterisk what Kaposi's Sarcoma is to humans |
| 06:30.51 | jameswf-home | digium was sort of formed to finance asterisk... |
| 06:30.56 | drmessano | An opportunistic cancer |
| 06:30.58 | Frek818 | Trixbox is to Asterisk what Cpanel is to LAMP. |
| 06:31.07 | jblack | Im definitely confused. I feel like I'm part of the asterisk community, but I dont' feel like Im part of digium |
| 06:31.14 | jameswf-home | ummmmm wtf is cpanel |
| 06:31.29 | Qwell | jameswf-home: random closed source gui for random apps |
| 06:31.31 | jblack | jameswf-home: It's a management app for virtual webservers. |
| 06:31.32 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, ISP-in-a-box |
| 06:31.34 | Qwell | ie; not trixbox |
| 06:31.49 | jameswf-home | whats wrong with bash.... lazy bastards |
| 06:32.09 | jblack | Ok, so... First there was asterisk. Then game digium, which is a company born of the asterisk community. Then, Fonality came along, forked asterisk to trixbox. |
| 06:32.13 | jblack | Is that right? |
| 06:32.18 | Qwell | no |
| 06:32.25 | jameswf-home | game is gaim is pidgin |
| 06:32.39 | drmessano | Its hard to come up with a good comparison of "trixbox is to Asterisk what..." because no other project has screwed over so many others quite like Fonality has done with trixbox |
| 06:32.41 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, bash is great, and its cohorts, clobber, pulp, maim, mangle, and mulch! |
| 06:32.54 | drmessano | They're reached a Vista |
| 06:33.11 | Frek818 | Ok, if some one make changes to an Open Source project, submit the changes, but their not accepted is the person a 'bad guy'? |
| 06:33.13 | [TK]D-Fender | jblack, No, Fonaily made their own GUI before buying out trixbox. |
| 06:33.19 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:33.28 | Frek818 | s/their/there/ |
| 06:33.33 | jameswf-home | trixbox was asterisk@home which is a compilation of projects with a little html on the front |
| 06:33.36 | Qwell | Frek818: no, have you submitted changes? |
| 06:33.54 | Qwell | and...s/their/they're/ |
| 06:34.13 | jblack | jameswf-home: Of which asterisk is a component? |
| 06:34.20 | jameswf-home | yes |
| 06:34.32 | Frek818 | Submit and making available for submission, is there a difference? |
| 06:34.32 | jblack | Our asterisk, or some bastardized version? |
| 06:34.39 | Qwell | yes |
| 06:34.40 | jameswf-home | asterisk is the engine freepbx is the steering wheel |
| 06:34.43 | Qwell | there's a huge difference |
| 06:34.49 | drmessano | trixbox is like driving a car wearing a full body cast and oven mitts.. you can't really feel whats underneath |
| 06:34.50 | Frek818 | What? |
| 06:35.01 | Qwell | if you have to ask, you just don't get it |
| 06:35.23 | Qwell | jameswf-home: except it has The Club installed |
| 06:35.25 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano, now THATS a good one! |
| 06:35.27 | jblack | I think I'm starting to get it. |
| 06:35.28 | Frek818 | What's with those answer. Why don't you simply enlighten me? |
| 06:35.46 | jameswf-home | enlightenment is a mail client used in gnome |
| 06:35.50 | Qwell | Frek818: I can't teach you morality. |
| 06:36.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Frek818> Submit and making available for submission, is there a difference? <---- #bdsm awaits you! |
| 06:36.13 | drmessano | ha |
| 06:36.20 | Frek818 | I'm not claing to be a Open Source expert, but if you are, help me to be a Open Source intermediate. |
| 06:36.40 | jameswf-home | ~rtfm | Frek818 |
| 06:36.41 | jbot | ACTION tosses | Frek818 a 50lb unix manual |
| 06:36.44 | Frek818 | s/claing/claiming/ |
| 06:36.53 | Qwell | an |
| 06:36.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Frek818, Sorry you'll have to transfer to a level 2 mocker for that ;) |
| 06:36.56 | drmessano | Its not even about "trixbox" really.. its about Fonalitys CLOSED, non-community approach to open source |
| 06:37.25 | jblack | Frek818: Are you a troll? |
| 06:37.52 | jameswf-home | jblack: is realy a regular just hear to amuse the population for a night :)) |
| 06:37.57 | jameswf-home | doh |
| 06:38.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Dance monkey, dance! |
| 06:38.12 | jameswf-home | s/jblack/fredk/ |
| 06:38.23 | drmessano | Chris Lyman is making a killing off trixbox and he thanks the projects he uses in it by telling them "You call it stealing and not giving back? We don't a morality problem, you have a perception problem" |
| 06:38.30 | Frek818 | I'm just a average tech guy that thinks the company he works for is cool. |
| 06:38.42 | jameswf-home | plays tt-monkey to Frek818 |
| 06:38.42 | jblack | And you work for.. Fonality? |
| 06:38.52 | Qwell | Frek818: why? because the people you work with are able to paint your CEOs office pink? |
| 06:39.07 | Qwell | or because they bet each other that they can't eat a 5lbs bar of chocolate? |
| 06:39.11 | Qwell | yeah, real cool |
| 06:39.12 | drmessano | Perception is all that seperates an ass kisser from a brown noser |
| 06:39.14 | jameswf-home | My office has a huge window :) |
| 06:39.59 | drmessano | I bet Chris Lymans office is green |
| 06:40.04 | Qwell | no, it's pink |
| 06:40.08 | jblack | Frek818: How do you get the shit smell off at the end of the workday? |
| 06:40.11 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:40.15 | Qwell | no, seriously |
| 06:40.20 | drmessano | HA |
| 06:40.26 | Qwell | right Frek818 ? |
| 06:40.28 | drmessano | Did not know that |
| 06:40.36 | jblack | Surely you can't go to free software conferences with that sort of odor... |
| 06:40.41 | drmessano | So |
| 06:40.45 | drmessano | Let me get this correct |
| 06:40.49 | Qwell | jblack: oh, have I got the picture for you...hold that thought |
| 06:41.06 | drmessano | Trixbox has a flaw in it.. like.. last week when the yum update killed all those 2.4 boxes |
| 06:41.20 | drmessano | and you guys are speed eating hersheys bars instead of fixing it? |
| 06:41.28 | jameswf-home | It isnt a flaw its an undocumented feature |
| 06:41.29 | Qwell | http://www.flickr.com/photos/laurensanderson/1470812020/in/pool-astricon |
| 06:41.40 | Qwell | picture taken from next to trixbox booth. |
| 06:41.58 | drmessano | "Hey, we got a bug thats killing boxes, but I bet you cant fit your whole fist in your mouth!" |
| 06:41.58 | russellb | that's _amazing_ |
| 06:42.50 | jameswf-home | chubby bunny |
| 06:43.27 | jblack | Heh. Allison literally is the asterisk girl. ;) |
| 06:43.39 | drmessano | trixbox has a mascot too |
| 06:43.41 | drmessano | Mr Hanky |
| 06:43.42 | jblack | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14534485@N05/1546392953/ |
| 06:44.01 | jameswf-home | I thought it was Mr. Garrison |
| 06:44.05 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 06:44.09 | drmessano | irony? |
| 06:44.17 | Qwell | jblack: yeah, that dress was pretty awesome |
| 06:44.42 | jblack | This is a better shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14534485@N05/1498474563/ |
| 06:45.00 | drmessano | "we didnt know people would be upset about something we installed unannounced and tried to hide in their machines" |
| 06:45.10 | drmessano | Really Kerry? |
| 06:45.59 | jameswf-home | was that ben stein on the left |
| 06:46.36 | drmessano | Yes, wearing a great shirt |
| 06:46.40 | jameswf-home | I saw a picture last week of the trixbox hoochies |
| 06:46.44 | [TK]D-Fender | Ok folks.... early day tomorrow, this was definitely entertaining though. |
| 06:46.45 | Qwell | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14534485@N05/1498480369/ |
| 06:46.50 | Qwell | random incognito asterisk developers |
| 06:46.51 | drmessano | Nite TK |
| 06:47.15 | russellb | Qwell: eep |
| 06:47.19 | russellb | [TK]D-Fender: take it easy |
| 06:47.21 | Qwell | heh |
| 06:47.37 | russellb | i didn't know i grew out of Allison's shoulder! |
| 06:48.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Frek818, Swim on little salmon, bigger fish await you! ;P |
| 06:48.25 | [TK]D-Fender | ciao! |
| 06:48.27 | jameswf-home | he has been quiet |
| 06:48.57 | drmessano | Hes got Chris on the batphone |
| 06:49.09 | jblack | Where's adamwest when you need 'em |
| 06:49.22 | drmessano | Hey Frek818 |
| 06:49.43 | drmessano | What kind of phone system does Fonality use? |
| 06:49.43 | Frek818 | Yes? |
| 06:49.45 | drmessano | CCM? |
| 06:50.06 | jameswf-home | Disclaimer: when i have-home on my name it means I am not on work time do not call my boss and whine about my opinions :) |
| 06:50.18 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:50.36 | drmessano | Frek818: what kind of phone system do you guys use for taking calls? |
| 06:50.41 | jameswf-home | I will be like sorry jim Iwas drunk it was late :) |
| 06:50.46 | drmessano | Do you "eat your own dogfood?" |
| 06:50.53 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:51.19 | drmessano | Theres not a lot of choices |
| 06:51.20 | Frek818 | Ok, course we do. |
| 06:51.24 | drmessano | Is it an Avaya? |
| 06:51.29 | Qwell | Frek818: what version? |
| 06:51.47 | jameswf-home | Hell I use our products at home... good for development and if it doesnt work the wife gets pissed so it always works |
| 06:52.01 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:52.05 | drmessano | Thats smart lol |
| 06:52.33 | Qwell | and most importantly... |
| 06:52.36 | Qwell | Frek818: what does Joel do? |
| 06:52.55 | drmessano | Frek818: When your phone system goes down, do you send someone into IRC to get help? |
| 06:53.04 | jameswf-home | Joel does shots at applebees happyhour |
| 06:53.06 | Frek818 | There are version all over the place. The Web Panel has a version, the Asterisk core has a version. What version are you referring to? |
| 06:53.15 | Qwell | the version of your phone system |
| 06:53.32 | drmessano | The one you TALK ON, ALL DAY |
| 06:53.34 | jameswf-home | Frek818: is dancing |
| 06:53.36 | drmessano | What is IT? |
| 06:53.45 | drmessano | The one you TAKE CALLS ON |
| 06:54.00 | drmessano | When I call and you say "Halo, statue?" What sort of system is it? |
| 06:54.01 | Qwell | and let's not skip over the Joel question |
| 06:54.14 | jameswf-home | We take calls on gentoo :) |
| 06:54.28 | Frek818 | PBXtra Version O |
| 06:54.29 | drmessano | CCM |
| 06:54.34 | drmessano | lol |
| 06:54.44 | Qwell | okay, and what does Joel do for Fonality? |
| 06:55.34 | jblack | wtf? Why would anyone have pbxtra? |
| 06:55.45 | Frek818 | What does this line of question have to due with job I initially notified the channel about? |
| 06:55.58 | jameswf-home | Frek we are so over your spam |
| 06:56.08 | Qwell | Frek818: would Joel be in my department? |
| 06:56.09 | jameswf-home | lol |
| 06:56.35 | drmessano | haha jameswf-home |
| 06:56.35 | Frek818 | Qwell: What is your department? |
| 06:56.38 | Qwell | jblack: because even they wouldn't use trixbox... |
| 06:56.43 | Qwell | Frek818: the one for the job you posted! |
| 06:56.51 | Qwell | focus |
| 06:57.01 | jameswf-home | Qwell is in female body inspection |
| 06:57.15 | drmessano | What does Joel do? |
| 06:57.17 | drmessano | Just answer |
| 06:57.20 | jameswf-home | popular department low turnover |
| 06:57.37 | Frek818 | I don't know of any Joel's in my department. |
| 06:57.47 | Qwell | what about other departments? |
| 06:57.49 | jameswf-home | Frek whats your department |
| 06:57.53 | Qwell | jameswf-home: support |
| 06:57.57 | drmessano | Open Hud and see if hes a button.. |
| 06:57.57 | Qwell | keep up |
| 06:57.58 | jblack | there's a hpone number. |
| 06:58.18 | jameswf-home | they have like 15 support departments |
| 06:58.27 | drmessano | Do they all use HUD? |
| 06:58.32 | Qwell | jameswf-home: the one that doesn't know asterisk |
| 06:58.43 | drmessano | Qwell: wait..... |
| 06:59.01 | jblack | Heh. The hermangriffin phone is owned by MCImetro, ATS |
| 06:59.19 | jblack | http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReversePhone?full_phone=310-579-5721&localtime=survey |
| 06:59.35 | russellb | this has been great entertainment while i code. |
| 06:59.36 | drmessano | You dont need to know Asterisk to support asterisk based systems.. you can cover it with enough GUI that you cant touch the sides |
| 06:59.41 | Frek818 | Neato, how did you know bout that? |
| 06:59.52 | Frek818 | You're an Elite aren't you? |
| 07:00.04 | russellb | I wish I was an Elite. |
| 07:00.06 | drmessano | Elite? |
| 07:00.13 | jameswf-home | they have an exec at fonality named brad pitt.... wonder if he is a scientoligist |
| 07:00.20 | drmessano | HAHAH |
| 07:00.41 | jameswf-home | no we are 1337 |
| 07:00.43 | jameswf-home | duh |
| 07:01.01 | `Sauron | Wow. Y'all really have nothing better to do than to try to troll someone who doesn't recognize he's being trolled? |
| 07:01.08 | drmessano | Wasn't Limon the name that Sprite gave to it's Lemon/Lime hybrid? |
| 07:01.15 | jblack | Me? Elite? |
| 07:01.25 | Qwell | drmessano: no, that's the lemon salt "candy" thing, I thought |
| 07:01.34 | jblack | Nah. But I am curious to know if the address in your whois is still current. =) |
| 07:01.41 | drmessano | Either way.. appropriate |
| 07:02.00 | jameswf-home | I think limon was that chick in mexico with the donkey |
| 07:02.46 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:02.51 | jblack | Oh nice. It's a corner house! |
| 07:03.08 | russellb | `Sauron: pretty much ... |
| 07:03.18 | drmessano | Crap |
| 07:03.43 | jblack | Sorry, no. I got that wrong. |
| 07:03.43 | Qwell | jblack: that's a nice part of Palmdale |
| 07:03.51 | jblack | Yeah. Looks like new houses. |
| 07:04.03 | drmessano | I have been all over the trixbox GUI and I can't see where they give credit to Digium and FreePBX? |
| 07:04.06 | jblack | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=38014+deer+run+rd,+palmdale,+us&sll=34.588989,-118.158356&sspn=0.000881,0.002403&ie=UTF8&ll=34.587838,-118.155599&spn=0.007048,0.019226&t=h&z=16&om=0 |
| 07:04.09 | drmessano | Am I missing that module? |
| 07:04.11 | WilliamK | although I did find a box that looks better than AppleTV's |
| 07:04.18 | jameswf-home | google earth will be the downfall of development |
| 07:04.47 | Qwell | jblack: 39* |
| 07:05.07 | drmessano | Qwell: I am done with this guy, can we escalate our trolling to Second Level support pls |
| 07:05.49 | jblack | Qwell: Hmm? |
| 07:05.58 | Qwell | 39014...you had 38014 |
| 07:07.04 | Frek818 | It was nice chatting with everyone, I really love debating. I hope you all enjoy the rest of your weekend. |
| 07:07.06 | jblack | Nice place Frek |
| 07:07.13 | jblack | Two cars I see. |
| 07:07.21 | jameswf-home | debate... was this two sided |
| 07:07.28 | jblack | Which one's yours? The black pickup, or the blue sedan? |
| 07:07.30 | jameswf-home | I need to sober up |
| 07:07.32 | drmessano | He fought back |
| 07:07.39 | drmessano | Im calling it a 2 |
| 07:07.55 | *** part/#asterisk Frek818 (n=herman@adsl-69-234-203-190.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 07:08.05 | drmessano | He did say you make that one great product, jameswf-home |
| 07:08.08 | drmessano | Well done |
| 07:08.24 | jameswf-home | 1 out of 30 we are doing great |
| 07:08.29 | jameswf-home | lol |
| 07:08.37 | drmessano | I hope they dont require asterisk |
| 07:08.37 | jblack | I think I freaked him out. ;) |
| 07:09.11 | jameswf-home | actualy the 1 he mentioned doesnt require asterisk |
| 07:09.20 | drmessano | Lucky them |
| 07:09.34 | drmessano | Thats the one they CAN support |
| 07:09.52 | jameswf-home | and they sell em with sangoma cards which can run in windoze |
| 07:11.01 | drmessano | "Thank you for calling Fonality Tech support.. if you have a problem with something trivial in Trixbox, please press 1.. If you have an asterisk related issue, please hang up and dial 256 - 428 - 6000" |
| 07:12.44 | jblack | I missed cloverfield again |
| 07:13.49 | jameswf-home | then digium is like dude we dont support that crap... do a clean install |
| 07:14.04 | russellb | heh |
| 07:14.36 | russellb | digium does try to encourage non-crap. |
| 07:14.47 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:15.22 | Qwell | he never answered my Joel question :( |
| 07:15.26 | Qwell | Joel won't tell me either |
| 07:16.04 | jameswf-home | My troubleshoting in freepbx tb systems is to add a dial line to extensions. if it works poof to the nmp file |
| 07:16.16 | drmessano | Now, aren't you glad I called him out as a spammer?? jerks |
| 07:16.43 | russellb | drmessano: yes, thank you :) |
| 07:17.24 | jameswf-home | so does anyone wanna go work for fonality on the side :) |
| 07:17.51 | drmessano | I know too much about Asterisk.. they may try to promote me to core trixbox developer |
| 07:17.51 | x86efnet | talk to bill @ digium 256-428-6008 tell him anthony from skivodi sent you. |
| 07:17.54 | jameswf-home | I picture a non compete in your future |
| 07:18.03 | Qwell | jameswf-home: what, like an operative? |
| 07:18.28 | *** part/#asterisk mDuff (n=chatzill@user-387ocuv.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 07:18.50 | jameswf-home | hmm yeah get in and exploit the audit tool thing |
| 07:19.08 | drmessano | Core trixbox developer? hell, at Fonality, if you know nothing about Asterisk, they make you CEO |
| 07:19.44 | jameswf-home | In Chris' defense he does look realy cool in a fighter jet :) |
| 07:19.56 | drmessano | LOL |
| 07:20.00 | *** join/#asterisk Lawbringer (n=Lawbring@cpc4-rdng12-0-0-cust292.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 07:20.46 | jameswf-home | I will give it um to mark too atleast he doesnt put on a suit and pretend, I think chris is a t-shirt guy trying to look al ceo ish |
| 07:20.58 | jameswf-home | s/um/up/ |
| 07:21.29 | drmessano | You, you almost cant see the screw heads |
| 07:21.44 | drmessano | s/You/Yeah |
| 07:22.10 | drmessano | ...and i'm the sober one |
| 07:22.11 | jameswf-home | I think a polo is as formal as our office gets |
| 07:22.40 | jameswf-home | we have a 2 year old Fosters in the fridge at work... |
| 07:22.43 | jameswf-home | lol |
| 07:22.46 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:23.03 | drmessano | We had 3 yr old Taco Bell in ours |
| 07:23.21 | jameswf-home | Damn fonality trying to make the community all corprate and shizzz |
| 07:26.27 | drmessano | I just can't get over his one paragraph slam of Digium in that blog post |
| 07:26.43 | drmessano | Blatant.. just.. blatant |
| 07:27.25 | Qwell | drmessano: which? |
| 07:28.00 | jameswf-home | Qwell: http://www.trixbox.com/about-us/blog/open-source-closed-minds |
| 07:28.05 | drmessano | http://www.trixbox.com/about-us/blog/open-source-closed-minds |
| 07:28.06 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 07:28.08 | jameswf-home | haha |
| 07:28.15 | jameswf-home | you owe me a soda |
| 07:28.16 | drmessano | Search for "for-profit" |
| 07:28.18 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:28.54 | drmessano | Would you believe NO ONE I know, except my wife, ever heard the "owe me a soda" part? |
| 07:29.08 | drmessano | People just missing out |
| 07:29.44 | jameswf-home | :) |
| 07:30.29 | drmessano | Digium performed a "Trick of Confusion" and Fonality owns "Tricks-in-a-box" |
| 07:30.33 | drmessano | Im confused |
| 07:34.10 | jblack | "Hey guys... We didn't think the free software world would actually manage to build things of value. But now that you have something useful, we'd like to bring it back to the same old, corrupt state you were trying to escape in the first place" |
| 07:35.26 | jameswf-home | free as in freedom not free beer......asterisk is funded via many products but asterisk remains free as in beer |
| 07:36.28 | jameswf-home | trixbox is funded by related products but they wont show the ledger |
| 07:37.00 | drmessano | But kerry said trixbox can barely pay the salaries of the 4 people working on it..... |
| 07:37.16 | jameswf-home | $3000 X 25 people at an ftocc and they dont make any money off that |
| 07:37.47 | *** join/#asterisk admin0 (n=admin@202.161.147.14) |
| 07:37.52 | jameswf-home | appliance they cant keep in stock, a trixbox store hmmmmmmm |
| 07:37.53 | *** join/#asterisk Olobola (n=casper_s@c-24-23-198-187.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 07:37.54 | jblack | Asterisk isn't just free in cost. It's free software period. gplv2, according to the license I'm looking at here. |
| 07:38.04 | drmessano | the data collection and ads are a necessity to keep trixbox alive |
| 07:38.09 | drmessano | hmmm |
| 07:39.20 | jameswf-home | I dont mind them asking for more funding but I dont like the were broke lies.... dude fire one of the 4 people and impliment volinteers |
| 07:39.48 | jameswf-home | paid support hmmmmm |
| 07:39.50 | drmessano | He was spewing that shit on the Voip users conference and I was dying |
| 07:40.00 | drmessano | I kept asking about paid support, etc |
| 07:40.12 | drmessano | and he keep insisting trixbox barely pays the bills |
| 07:40.23 | *** part/#asterisk admin0 (n=admin@202.161.147.14) |
| 07:40.28 | jameswf-home | reduce the bills |
| 07:40.42 | drmessano | Let me make sure I understand this |
| 07:40.44 | jblack | Then he should be working on getting it into larger establishments that can afford a higher support burden |
| 07:40.58 | jameswf-home | community project let the community develop it and it will become automagicly cheaper |
| 07:40.59 | drmessano | trixbox is owned by Fonality |
| 07:41.06 | jblack | Or sell release names, like cities sell statium names |
| 07:41.07 | drmessano | They make money of FtOCC |
| 07:41.11 | drmessano | Support |
| 07:41.16 | drmessano | UPSELLs to Pro |
| 07:41.34 | drmessano | But since "trixbox CE" doesnt make money.. its bleeding them dry? |
| 07:41.41 | drmessano | What.. the... fudge |
| 07:41.43 | jameswf-home | I think trixbox pro went over like Vista |
| 07:41.58 | drmessano | Maybe so.. |
| 07:42.04 | jameswf-home | ok so I have to throw out my hardware and buy sangoma to use pro wtf |
| 07:42.33 | drmessano | Its not like they had to effort to create pro anyway |
| 07:42.43 | drmessano | Rebrand exisiting, call it TB Pro |
| 07:42.44 | drmessano | Done |
| 07:43.25 | jameswf-home | I dont see pro getting off the 2.6.9 kernel anytime soon and that alone kills it |
| 07:43.52 | drmessano | Oh.. and one more for ya |
| 07:44.12 | drmessano | They fucked everyone over with the little Zaptel non-SMP issue |
| 07:44.23 | drmessano | "Oh, SMP is good enough for everyone" |
| 07:44.36 | drmessano | Then decided "We're not gonna fix that, move to 2.4" |
| 07:44.43 | jblack | heh |
| 07:44.50 | drmessano | Basically blowing off 2.2 the day 2.4 came out |
| 07:44.53 | drmessano | Like it never existed |
| 07:44.59 | drmessano | I mean |
| 07:45.03 | jameswf-home | that was one of my rants that got my boss called lol |
| 07:45.20 | d-tech | anyone have access to ccm? |
| 07:45.28 | d-tech | I need a file! |
| 07:45.38 | drmessano | Not even Microsoft has the balls to completely abandon their previous OS like its a red headed stepchild |
| 07:45.58 | drmessano | But yet, they blow off the 2.2 users and everyone smiles |
| 07:46.01 | jblack | Yeah. Thats what happens when people buy into proprietary software. You play according to their needs, not yours. |
| 07:46.05 | drmessano | "Its ok Kerry, we'll upgrade" |
| 07:46.14 | *** join/#asterisk CrazyTux[m] (n=CrazyTux@74.8.95.188) |
| 07:46.17 | jameswf-home | windows 98 had like 8 years of support which was sad |
| 07:46.20 | drmessano | Sheep |
| 07:46.49 | drmessano | Kerry could post tomorrow "We're abandoning the Asterisk 1.4 core and moving to callweaver.. suck it" |
| 07:47.04 | drmessano | and the forums would be full of "Cool :) Thank Kerry :)" |
| 07:47.12 | d-tech | I need LdapDialingRules.xml ... if anyone can help ... TIA! |
| 07:47.33 | jameswf-home | what is ccm |
| 07:47.42 | drmessano | Cisco Crap Manager |
| 07:47.51 | drmessano | s/crap/call |
| 07:48.02 | jameswf-home | Cisco = overpriced linksys |
| 07:49.05 | jameswf-home | i cant wait for tb 2,6 |
| 07:49.16 | drmessano | Why is that? |
| 07:49.49 | jameswf-home | higher number it has to be better |
| 07:49.58 | drmessano | lol |
| 07:50.20 | drmessano | 9% better! |
| 07:51.19 | jameswf-home | someone was questioning elastix cause they hadn't gone v1 yet... I was like not everyone jumps all over te version chart |
| 07:51.49 | drmessano | At least they're not cranking out a release a day |
| 07:51.56 | jameswf-home | hell linux kernel is only 2 |
| 07:52.21 | drmessano | Imagine something actually being in BETA for a proper amount of time |
| 07:53.34 | d-tech | most microsoft software never actually leaves beta ... they just expand their test groups! |
| 07:54.58 | jameswf-home | my brother asked me to look at hi computer it has vista I was like I cant fix that... too much wrong |
| 07:55.06 | d-tech | I've never had a piece of m$ software 'work' ... just keep patching it 'til some other beta code replaces it. |
| 07:55.10 | drmessano | You know whats funny.. Read the blog post about how Exchange went from "internal piece of crap" to "Product" |
| 07:55.33 | *** join/#asterisk Lawbringer (n=Lawbring@cpc4-rdng12-0-0-cust292.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 07:55.55 | drmessano | Thats almost as funny as "U NO NO AKERISK, U CAN HAZ FONALITYBURGER" |
| 07:56.06 | d-tech | WHY does an "OS" need to be installed from a DVD??? |
| 07:56.50 | jameswf-home | office 97 was like 4 cd's I was like what |
| 07:56.51 | drmessano | Because the help file is 800MB? |
| 07:57.56 | d-tech | help file .... oh you mean the microsoft paid tech support hotline database!! |
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| 07:58.41 | d-tech | the one they tell you to wait while they read it, at $75 hour |
| 08:00.08 | d-tech | then, ultimately their advice is ... try re-installing it, and see if the problem goes away! |
| 08:00.43 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:00.57 | d-tech | oooo ... Thanks for that $150 piece of advice ... I would have never 'thought' of that! |
| 08:00.58 | drmessano | Did you see where M$ called that person back after 10 years? |
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| 08:01.16 | jameswf-home | next time maybe you will backup |
| 08:01.46 | d-tech | yes ... 'backup' to MS-DOS 6.21 |
| 08:01.58 | drmessano | they flagged a callback for 1998 |
| 08:02.01 | drmessano | from 1997 |
| 08:02.04 | drmessano | Or meant to |
| 08:02.08 | jameswf-home | Jesus saves..... he uses windows |
| 08:02.16 | drmessano | Accidentally put 08 on there |
| 08:02.23 | drmessano | So 10 years later they called back |
| 08:02.34 | drmessano | I wish it was me, and I knew ahead of time |
| 08:02.40 | drmessano | "Have we resolved your issue yet?" |
| 08:02.43 | drmessano | "No" |
| 08:03.28 | d-tech | lemme guess ... they told him to try and re-install Windows 95 and see if the problem goes away? |
| 08:03.37 | drmessano | lol wouldnt have surprised me |
| 08:04.02 | drmessano | "Sir, did you try the recommendeed upgrade to Windows 97?" |
| 08:04.16 | drmessano | "Lady, that came in a year late.. they ended up calling it 98" |
| 08:04.19 | drmessano | "Oh" |
| 08:05.24 | d-tech | Chicago was suppose to be call Windows 94 |
| 08:05.42 | d-tech | call=called |
| 08:06.08 | drmessano | Windows 2000 Pro was supposed to have an NT based Windows 2000 Home to go with it |
| 08:06.29 | d-tech | did Me instead ....ugh!! |
| 08:07.16 | drmessano | yep |
| 08:07.36 | drmessano | I bought Me on the day of release |
| 08:07.40 | drmessano | Never installed it |
| 08:08.23 | d-tech | It was operationally impossible for Me to run much over 20 to 30 days without becoming perminently damaged |
| 08:08.33 | drmessano | 29.7 Days |
| 08:08.57 | drmessano | There was a bug |
| 08:09.31 | d-tech | I thought Windows Me was the worst OS they could EVER release!!! |
| 08:09.50 | d-tech | Then came Vista |
| 08:09.53 | WilliamK | vista ranks up there |
| 08:09.55 | WilliamK | :) |
| 08:10.12 | WilliamK | shows by the amount of companies refusing to adopt it |
| 08:10.29 | drmessano | I can speak for 120 of those machines.. LOL |
| 08:10.30 | d-tech | I think they brought the Me development team back for a second chance |
| 08:10.36 | WilliamK | what would be interesting to know is what runs on the majority of Microsoft Corporation machines |
| 08:10.40 | WilliamK | that would be interesting |
| 08:10.47 | drmessano | Vista probably |
| 08:10.50 | drmessano | They just reimage |
| 08:11.09 | drmessano | I bet they do a LOT of reimaging |
| 08:11.23 | WilliamK | somehow I doubt gates is running Vista on the same machine that has the company jewels on it |
| 08:11.32 | drmessano | No need |
| 08:11.38 | drmessano | Docs on the server |
| 08:11.49 | d-tech | it depends if the employee needs to be productive ... if so they get an XP machine!! |
| 08:11.54 | drmessano | Thats the jewel of running Windows |
| 08:12.04 | drmessano | Keep the data elsewhere, reimage often |
| 08:12.21 | drmessano | Roaming profiles |
| 08:12.31 | d-tech | don't go there! |
| 08:12.37 | drmessano | LOL |
| 08:12.41 | WilliamK | wouldn't surprise me if his docs aren't on a unix or netware box behind the cluster of windows boxes |
| 08:12.48 | d-tech | roaming profile developer ought to be shot |
| 08:13.15 | drmessano | Egg |
| 08:13.18 | drmessano | Ehh* |
| 08:13.23 | drmessano | They're on a SAN |
| 08:13.28 | d-tech | you want to bankrupt a company ... put them on roaming profiles |
| 08:13.32 | drmessano | If you think about it |
| 08:14.11 | drmessano | Roaming profiles and SANs, you can make a temporary as hell install of any desktop or server app |
| 08:14.11 | WilliamK | d-tech, probably right - my day job doesn't enable roaming profiles for a very good reason |
| 08:14.16 | d-tech | SUN SAN probably |
| 08:14.45 | drmessano | HA |
| 08:14.50 | drmessano | XP on VMware in Linux |
| 08:15.02 | drmessano | Thats what they run |
| 08:15.09 | WilliamK | that'd be interesting |
| 08:15.11 | drmessano | XP on VMware in Suse |
| 08:15.16 | drmessano | FTW |
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| 08:16.05 | d-tech | M$ should have bought SCO ... at least they would have had ONE stable OS |
| 08:16.54 | drmessano | I got a call earlier from the IT Girl over at the TV station.. shes got a Dell server that was upgraded from NT to 2000 to 2003 with some unknown disk configuration on it that completely lost its boot partition on a reboot after running out of HD space |
| 08:17.16 | drmessano | and shes lost on what to to... I told her boot it with a Linux CD and start recovery |
| 08:17.35 | drmessano | Linux wont lie about whats on there |
| 08:17.36 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:18.20 | drmessano | Linux - revealing the ugly truth about NTFS volumes |
| 08:18.31 | d-tech | probably EZ-Drive |
| 08:18.52 | drmessano | It had that Dell partition manager crap thing on there |
| 08:18.59 | drmessano | That boot part with the rescue apps |
| 08:19.04 | drmessano | and it toasted it, it looks like |
| 08:20.26 | WilliamK | hope she had backups somewhere else |
| 08:20.35 | WilliamK | probably a dang Perc2 controller too |
| 08:20.36 | d-tech | some of the dell systems actually had a single unallocated image file written to freespace on the drive! |
| 08:20.41 | WilliamK | and those things are known to die |
| 08:20.47 | drmessano | She has a tape backup from Veritas |
| 08:20.58 | drmessano | lol |
| 08:21.21 | WilliamK | glad I'm not her |
| 08:21.28 | WilliamK | anything but tape nowdays |
| 08:21.34 | WilliamK | tape is anoying and lousy |
| 08:21.36 | d-tech | perc2 ... that's an adaptec OEM ... obsolete before it was released |
| 08:21.40 | drmessano | She called and told me it had been restoring for 8 hours and she had to go home.. was just sitting there crying |
| 08:22.00 | drmessano | So shes gonna go back tomorrow |
| 08:22.40 | WilliamK | hope she has another server to migrate to like asap and a better storage plan |
| 08:22.40 | d-tech | I thought intel had the record for the shortest development market cycle ... only beat out by adaptec |
| 08:22.50 | drmessano | Actually.. lol |
| 08:22.53 | WilliamK | even a simple NAS with an MS backup file woulda been better |
| 08:23.44 | drmessano | She said something about having a server there her predecessor had never deployed.. but the drives were ordered too small. she ordered drives and they sent the wrong ones |
| 08:24.07 | drmessano | So Im not sure what shes gonna do |
| 08:24.11 | WilliamK | that sounds like a common mistake |
| 08:24.14 | d-tech | saw a usb hub with a dozen thumb drives ... they unplugged them and put them in a safe at night |
| 08:24.19 | WilliamK | send the drives back and get the right one |
| 08:24.32 | WilliamK | in the meantime goto Walmart and get a USB drive and do a backup |
| 08:24.44 | drmessano | She sent em back, and expedited it, knowing the days were numbered on the old server |
| 08:24.52 | drmessano | But this caught her |
| 08:25.16 | drmessano | yep.. an XP box on the domain with a USB drive gets her back up for Monday |
| 08:25.39 | drmessano | Call it SERVER-X and share the folder back out |
| 08:25.53 | WilliamK | one of my thoughts is if it has MS SQL on that box, there's probably TONS of nightly dumps of the db that could be deleted |
| 08:26.09 | WilliamK | I deleted over 50gb off a machine from MS SQL once |
| 08:26.13 | drmessano | She said its only a file server.. nothing but the docs folders |
| 08:26.16 | drmessano | Jeez |
| 08:27.28 | WilliamK | all I can think is surely MS woulda done something smarter than fill the disk |
| 08:27.31 | WilliamK | but nooo |
| 08:28.13 | WilliamK | almost found what I was looking for in the short term... won't quite work though |
| 08:28.15 | drmessano | Im so ready to move on from supporting Windows |
| 08:28.25 | WilliamK | dlink has a PC-to-TV box almost out now |
| 08:28.31 | drmessano | ohh |
| 08:28.32 | WilliamK | doesn't support DirectX thou yet |
| 08:28.36 | drmessano | ah |
| 08:28.46 | WilliamK | it's pre-order status |
| 08:28.53 | WilliamK | they were showing it off at CES apparently |
| 08:29.16 | WilliamK | heck even DirectX is used in winamp for the visualizations |
| 08:30.33 | drmessano | heh |
| 08:31.24 | WilliamK | I can feel some pain starting to ease.... slowly |
| 08:32.54 | WilliamK | 3 pain tabs, 1 anti-inflam tab, 1 chol tab, 2 bp tabs (supposed to be 3) |
| 08:33.30 | WilliamK | I'm just getting sick of taking all these daily/hourly/etc. |
| 08:34.15 | WilliamK | I'm probably one of the few looking forward to having someone cut on things in surgery |
| 08:36.47 | drmessano | I bet |
| 08:36.56 | drmessano | Sounds.. painful |
| 08:39.20 | drmessano | Does anyone know if Jabberrecv exists in res_jabber yet? |
| 08:39.31 | drmessano | jabber.txt is a bit dated |
| 08:44.35 | WilliamK | all I can say is it sucks... to put it mildly |
| 08:44.48 | WilliamK | feb 6 is the day they do the cutting |
| 08:45.15 | drmessano | Whats the problem? |
| 08:45.19 | WilliamK | and supposedly on feb 7 is when they start therapy |
| 08:45.19 | drmessano | If you dont mind me asking |
| 08:45.30 | WilliamK | rammed both of my knees into a ceramic tile floor |
| 08:45.49 | drmessano | damn |
| 08:46.03 | WilliamK | yeah do not run through house with tile flooring |
| 08:46.11 | WilliamK | it will not pay if you hit hard like I did |
| 08:46.55 | WilliamK | knees went down first into tile, legs folded under me, and then went the back onto the tile with my wrist guarding my head |
| 08:46.57 | WilliamK | wasn't fun |
| 08:47.21 | drmessano | I was carrying a Compaq server across the floor in our equipment room at one of the offices at work, and I tripped, fell on the concrete, slamming both knees, with the server still in hand.. damn lucky I didnt end up like that |
| 08:47.42 | WilliamK | yup |
| 08:48.03 | drmessano | That sucks man |
| 08:48.11 | WilliamK | surgeon put it in a word of imagine a multi-car accident |
| 08:48.18 | WilliamK | 3 bones pushed together |
| 08:48.19 | drmessano | To put it mildly and without better words |
| 08:48.48 | drmessano | damn |
| 08:49.20 | WilliamK | surgeon says... I hope this works because if it doesn't, it's going to be worse |
| 08:49.34 | WilliamK | and if that doesn't make your day brighter... |
| 08:49.35 | drmessano | How much of a recovery can you expect if it DOES work? |
| 08:49.54 | WilliamK | 80-90 |
| 08:50.04 | WilliamK | with 8-12 weeks of physical therapy |
| 08:50.27 | WilliamK | I've been doing therapy since Aug 07 |
| 08:51.13 | drmessano | Whats the worse case? Total knee replacment? |
| 08:51.21 | WilliamK | this week, since it changed over on insurance to being limited to 60 therapy visits for this year, they changed it over to a fitness program inside the rehab center while I'm waiting for surgery |
| 08:51.33 | WilliamK | no, worst case is I'm in pain for many many years |
| 08:51.40 | drmessano | damn |
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| 08:51.52 | WilliamK | they don't do knee replacements on people my age because you'll outlive the replacement |
| 08:51.56 | WilliamK | which is alot worse |
| 08:52.11 | drmessano | Ah |
| 08:53.12 | WilliamK | knee replacements from what I hear so far only last 13-20yrs max |
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| 08:53.59 | drmessano | Maybe you can move to CA and qualify for medicinal marijuana :) |
| 08:54.28 | WilliamK | nah... have an allergic reaction to it |
| 08:54.34 | WilliamK | that'd be like 6ft under |
| 08:54.44 | drmessano | Damn.. you just cant catch a break |
| 08:55.02 | WilliamK | 100yd away and I can sense it... lungs start collapsing |
| 08:55.44 | WilliamK | I had to be carried out of an outdoor concert once and iced by EMTs |
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| 08:57.22 | drmessano | I never had a problem with it, tobacco was always worse.. still is |
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| 08:57.45 | WilliamK | anyway pain meds usually make the pain manageable, but it keeps me going to see the pain mgmt docs every 30 days |
| 08:58.17 | drmessano | Mr Fonality is back |
| 08:59.11 | WilliamK | it's not even a temptation in my book, I've got lots of deterents and I like my job |
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| 09:00.23 | drmessano | I couldnt laugh that much at work, I would pass out |
| 09:01.01 | WilliamK | we laugh, cry, complain, insult, etc.. each other daily and nobody listens |
| 09:01.04 | WilliamK | it's fun |
| 09:01.32 | WilliamK | oh and our congrats list comes around when we figure we've made it off a director's shit-list... |
| 09:01.40 | WilliamK | and then we wonder how the heck we did that |
| 09:01.50 | drmessano | lol |
| 09:02.30 | WilliamK | one day the guy walked up to my mgr and said he's taking back anything he ever said about me |
| 09:02.44 | WilliamK | my mgr came and told me, and I was like...wtf did I do to get that honor? |
| 09:02.46 | WilliamK | :) |
| 09:02.51 | drmessano | LOL |
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| 09:04.02 | WilliamK | brb, 2 mins... gotta get water and food |
| 09:04.09 | WilliamK | don't like side affects of the last tab |
| 09:04.15 | drmessano | ok |
| 09:06.11 | WilliamK | back |
| 09:06.24 | WilliamK | without water, and food last tab can cause stomach bleeding |
| 09:06.28 | WilliamK | which i prefer not to have |
| 09:06.52 | drmessano | ah |
| 09:07.06 | drmessano | I have a few of those sort of problems |
| 09:07.39 | drmessano | Not fun |
| 09:08.04 | WilliamK | nah, I thought I had enough food the other night and I was greatly mistaken |
| 09:08.16 | WilliamK | drank about 64oz of water as quick as I could |
| 09:09.07 | WilliamK | all be it the 32oz went down alot faster than the rest |
| 09:09.09 | WilliamK | :) |
| 09:09.14 | drmessano | lol |
| 09:09.50 | WilliamK | burning sensations are not fun |
| 09:09.55 | WilliamK | especially when laying down |
| 09:10.43 | WilliamK | so y u up sooo late? |
| 09:11.34 | drmessano | Im always up late.. I dont sleep well, so I choose not to |
| 09:11.45 | WilliamK | ah |
| 09:12.05 | WilliamK | ever get blood pressure tested? |
| 09:12.16 | WilliamK | that almost was an instant cure on mine |
| 09:12.32 | WilliamK | they told me to calm stress levels or use the med to do it |
| 09:12.40 | WilliamK | stage 3 hypertension |
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| 09:13.54 | WilliamK | I also learned that day your blood pressure is actually higher between 2-5am than during the daytime hours |
| 09:13.54 | drmessano | Ive actually got good BP.. just high stress levels |
| 09:14.34 | WilliamK | try testing it at night vs daytime... may be alot different |
| 09:14.47 | FloweryFart | What kind of numbers constitute Stage 3? |
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| 09:14.54 | WilliamK | or possibly an anxiety attack |
| 09:15.34 | WilliamK | flowery, 1 sec, lemme find the monitor and I'll tell you the exact #s |
| 09:16.26 | drmessano | > 160 Systolic, I believe |
| 09:16.33 | drmessano | 160/100 |
| 09:16.35 | WilliamK | anything over 160 on systolic, and over 100 on dia |
| 09:16.53 | FloweryFart | What is you blood pressure when you use your meds? |
| 09:17.15 | FloweryFart | My BP is consistently between 145 and 150. |
| 09:17.20 | WilliamK | varies on how many tabs I take |
| 09:17.38 | WilliamK | if I take 2 it's about 120 |
| 09:17.47 | WilliamK | 3 it's about 85-90 |
| 09:18.08 | WilliamK | but right now it's unpredictable because of the pain in the knees |
| 09:18.26 | FloweryFart | Did you get bad headaches when you weren't on meds? |
| 09:18.33 | WilliamK | yep |
| 09:18.35 | WilliamK | migraines |
| 09:19.09 | WilliamK | ER EMTs freaked out when I had a nosebleed for 4 days straight and they took my bp |
| 09:19.12 | WilliamK | at 183 |
| 09:19.15 | FloweryFart | I got one of those right now. |
| 09:19.27 | FloweryFart | Damn |
| 09:19.35 | FloweryFart | Does it run in your family? |
| 09:19.42 | WilliamK | nope |
| 09:20.04 | WilliamK | in HS my resting heart rate was 65-70 |
| 09:20.17 | WilliamK | and body weight hasn't changed that much |
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| 09:20.34 | FloweryFart | How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 09:20.39 | WilliamK | 26 |
| 09:20.44 | FloweryFart | Me too |
| 09:21.02 | drmessano | At 183, I would put you on an AED and a heart monitor |
| 09:21.13 | SteveTotaro | ever wake up just to drop the kids off at the pool? |
| 09:21.16 | drmessano | Start pushing meds |
| 09:21.52 | drmessano | lol |
| 09:21.54 | WilliamK | they put me on an Ox/Pulse monitor immediately when they saw that |
| 09:22.04 | SteveTotaro | i have to drain the main vein but this might be the first time to pinch off a loaf |
| 09:22.06 | WilliamK | and gave me 1mg of some other stuff |
| 09:22.18 | drmessano | What was were your O2 stats? |
| 09:22.28 | drmessano | s/was// |
| 09:22.50 | WilliamK | like 94-96 if I remember right |
| 09:23.04 | drmessano | Not too bad |
| 09:23.39 | WilliamK | nah, I felt fine besides the dang nosebleeds I couldn't stop |
| 09:23.44 | drmessano | Any lower and I would have started looking for an Arythmia |
| 09:23.50 | drmessano | lol |
| 09:23.54 | WilliamK | ended up having my nose cauterized twice last year |
| 09:24.41 | WilliamK | group of 5 viens were exposed and the slightest movement broke them is what the specialist said |
| 09:24.42 | SteveTotaro | man you guys have alot of health issues for 26! |
| 09:24.51 | drmessano | lol |
| 09:25.01 | WilliamK | Steve, that doesn't even hit the tip of the iceberg for me |
| 09:25.23 | SteveTotaro | sorry to hear that |
| 09:25.32 | WilliamK | I've had the rare form of tropical menegitis, and leukemia |
| 09:26.04 | WilliamK | Dr's hate it when you tell them about what med you think will do a better job than what they're wanting to give you |
| 09:27.01 | SteveTotaro | the ER people thought i had a rare form of tropical meningitis, woke up with a breathing tube, a catheter, and my family all around me |
| 09:27.26 | SteveTotaro | because i had just come back from Africa |
| 09:27.47 | WilliamK | they knew what I had for 100% sure because I got caught red-handed eating the orange |
| 09:27.58 | WilliamK | unwashed, and not peeled |
| 09:28.10 | SteveTotaro | last thing i remembered was a beautiful friday with my GF |
| 09:28.34 | SteveTotaro | then I woke up in the hospital, ripped out the breathing tube and catheter |
| 09:29.17 | SteveTotaro | this was back when GHB could be purchased at GNC |
| 09:29.57 | WilliamK | ah |
| 09:30.00 | SteveTotaro | they even did a spinal tap, had the worst headache whenever i stood up for more than a month had to stay laying down |
| 09:30.19 | WilliamK | I did lots of taps |
| 09:30.27 | WilliamK | was like a weekly ritual |
| 09:30.39 | SteveTotaro | man, that sh*t is not right |
| 09:31.02 | WilliamK | I got soo used to it that they didn't have to hold me down for it anymore |
| 09:31.40 | SteveTotaro | i was out cold but the after affects were the second worse pain i have ever felt next to a kidney stone |
| 09:31.51 | WilliamK | I've only thrown one nurse out of the room once because she tried putting in an IV into my wrist and didn't have prior experience... she hit the bone |
| 09:31.59 | SteveTotaro | passed while three days into hiking the appalachain trail |
| 09:32.00 | drmessano | My dad got put in the hospital for 3 days for what they thought was some rare blood ailment.. turns out he drank some bad tea from Big Lots |
| 09:32.00 | WilliamK | made lifeflite team come up and do it |
| 09:32.54 | WilliamK | that bites |
| 09:33.43 | SteveTotaro | bad tea, was it tainted with some kind of fungus or something? |
| 09:34.15 | drmessano | I think it was poor QC and extended shelf life.. he likes the 99 cent off brand shit they sell at Big Lots |
| 09:34.17 | SteveTotaro | where are you guys at? |
| 09:34.29 | drmessano | Georgia |
| 09:34.56 | SteveTotaro | i was down in Atlanta not too long ago |
| 09:35.17 | SteveTotaro | I live directly between DC and MD |
| 09:35.30 | drmessano | Ah |
| 09:35.35 | SteveTotaro | 30 miles north, baltimore, 30 miles south, DC |
| 09:36.10 | SteveTotaro | i have spent alot of time in texas, dallas is sort of strange, I really like Austin and Houston |
| 09:36.25 | SteveTotaro | still have my unicard for Dallas |
| 09:36.44 | SteveTotaro | although i stopped drinking over three years ago |
| 09:39.31 | SteveTotaro | anyone ever try a chiropractor? |
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| 09:43.56 | WilliamK | nope, and I've found other ways to accomplish the same result almost |
| 09:44.21 | WilliamK | laying on a hard floor for hours/day may also do the same result |
| 09:44.49 | WilliamK | least it works with me when things are out of alignment |
| 09:45.11 | SteveTotaro | i think my poor posture is partly to blame |
| 09:45.47 | SteveTotaro | i lay flat on the floor regularly and arch over the edge of my bed too, that helps |
| 09:46.25 | SteveTotaro | if i lay flat on a hard surface and pull my head up, my spin cracks all the way down |
| 09:48.13 | Daviey | SteveTotaro: it must be a funny time of day for you? |
| 09:48.40 | SteveTotaro | little early |
| 09:49.07 | SteveTotaro | i woke up and had to run to the john in a big way |
| 09:49.10 | Daviey | I've been to bed, and up for nearly 2 hours since we last spoke :) |
| 09:49.17 | WilliamK | steve, you have the same prob as me |
| 09:49.43 | WilliamK | get a chair with lumbar support and bend your knees while on the floor for a while |
| 09:49.50 | WilliamK | it'll force your spine flat |
| 09:50.17 | SteveTotaro | well right now i am sitting on a hardwood floor with my laptop on the floor |
| 09:50.42 | SteveTotaro | as you can imagine, i am a little hunched over |
| 09:50.47 | WilliamK | that position is even worse |
| 09:51.10 | WilliamK | that's almost like asking for it |
| 09:51.13 | WilliamK | :) |
| 09:51.21 | SteveTotaro | yeah, story of my life |
| 09:51.34 | SteveTotaro | i ask for it and usually get it |
| 09:52.48 | SteveTotaro | riding my motorcycle is one thing that makes my back feel great |
| 09:53.07 | SteveTotaro | a few hours on the bike makes for a couple of days of no back pain |
| 09:54.32 | WilliamK | anyway, I gotta lay down |
| 09:54.33 | WilliamK | night |
| 09:54.34 | WilliamK | :) |
| 09:54.44 | SteveTotaro | g'night |
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| 09:55.00 | SteveTotaro | wonder if i can get back to sleep |
| 10:00.31 | SteveTotaro | twilight zone is on guess i will stay up |
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| 11:33.07 | latebind | hey all |
| 11:33.47 | latebind | anyone around at this hour? |
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| 11:37.18 | tzafrir | ~seen anyone |
| 11:37.53 | jbot | anyone <n=ram@stud-vpn.umwelt-campus.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 82d 22h 12s ago, saying: 'b52laptop: are you sure the new one was not matched to eth0 and the old one became eth1 ?'. |
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| 11:38.40 | tzafrir | Try at #debian, then. You might get luckier finding anyone |
| 11:39.39 | latebind | hehe |
| 11:39.47 | latebind | I need a bit of help please |
| 11:39.59 | tzafrir | So why don't you just ask? |
| 11:40.32 | latebind | cos its not polite to just ask imo, but I'll go ahead :) |
| 11:41.26 | tzafrir | jbot, tell latebind about ask |
| 11:42.51 | latebind | studying asterisk for a week now, have it set up and working, now I want to connect it to an existing voice portal, but I need to have a voicexml interpreter/browser right? or do I need more? |
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| 11:43.28 | JT | asterisk doesn't use voicexml? |
| 11:45.39 | latebind | I know, but I heard that it is possible to use asterisk for that. we creating an IVR, and its just going to be dtmf based at the moment with no speech-rec. We have a portal up already which is the application server that serves vxml files. I need to be able to convert those vxml files into asterisk commands and listen for dtmf and such, but Im not sure how. Im using Astrisk-Java with the fast-agi protocol |
| 11:46.51 | latebind | tried to install voxy but it doesnt seem to work, in the CLI console voxy prints out all the vxml elements but doesnt do anything else... what am I missing?? |
| 11:47.24 | latebind | IE : what am I missing that will allow asterisk to interact with a voicexml application? |
| 11:47.59 | latebind | been reading in so many blogs and done so many googles, but Im still in the same place, IRC is my last hope :) |
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| 11:50.35 | Luhiwu | hello all |
| 11:51.32 | Luhiwu | anyone tried to compile -addons 1.6.0b1? i got many errors trying to compile cdr_addon_mysql |
| 11:53.44 | tzafrir | latebind, What do you need voicexml for? |
| 11:54.19 | troubled | tz! |
| 11:54.23 | troubled | moin |
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| 11:55.03 | tzafrir | troubled, hi |
| 11:55.17 | latebind | tzafrir : the voice portal is already set up to accept input and return a dynamic vxml document,and I have been asked to find a way to get asterisk to interact with it... |
| 11:59.06 | Luhiwu | anyone tried to compile -addons 1.6.0b1? i got many errors trying to compile cdr_addon_mysql using gcc 3.4.6 in centos 4.4, the first error says 'warning: "struct ast_cli_args" declared inside parameter list', and latest -addons-1.4 compiled with no problem. I have no idea what that warning means :-) |
| 12:07.01 | tzafrir | LeddyHM, do you compile vs. asterisk 1.6 beta or vs. asterisk 1.4? |
| 12:08.18 | Luhiwu | mmmm i think i should wash my face before compiling. |
| 12:11.15 | Luhiwu | yup, obviously my mistake. I don't want to lose a few cdrs, so i guess i'll try again later. Thanks a lot. |
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| 12:30.45 | jack_-__ | [user77@pbx152164 ~]$ asterisk -vvvvvvr |
| 12:30.45 | jack_-__ | -bash: asterisk: command not found |
| 12:30.45 | jack_-__ | [user77@pbx152164 ~]$ |
| 12:30.53 | jack_-__ | what is the problem u think guys? |
| 12:31.02 | JT | your username. |
| 12:31.32 | jack_-__ | u mean i should go as root? |
| 12:31.47 | JT | yes, or a user with priveledges to run asterisk |
| 12:31.58 | jack_-__ | [root@pbx152164 user77]# asterisk -vvvvvvr |
| 12:31.59 | jack_-__ | bash: asterisk: command not found |
| 12:31.59 | jack_-__ | [root@pbx152164 user77]# |
| 12:32.03 | jack_-__ | im root and same thing |
| 12:32.06 | JT | not in path then |
| 12:32.19 | mvanbaak | is asterisk installed ? |
| 12:32.28 | jack_-__ | yes and it is up and running |
| 12:32.54 | jack_-__ | wat u think then |
| 12:32.57 | mvanbaak | cd / && find . -type f -name asterisk |
| 12:33.11 | JT | as i said |
| 12:33.13 | JT | not in path |
| 12:33.28 | mvanbaak | indeed, and the command I just gave you will find where it is |
| 12:33.34 | jack_-__ | ./etc/logrotate.d/asterisk |
| 12:33.42 | JT | no |
| 12:33.43 | jack_-__ | ./etc/rc.d/init.d/asterisk |
| 12:33.43 | jack_-__ | ./usr/sbin/asterisk |
| 12:33.43 | jack_-__ | ./var/spool/cron/asterisk |
| 12:33.43 | jack_-__ | ./var/spool/mail/asterisk |
| 12:33.49 | mvanbaak | it's in /usr/sbin |
| 12:33.58 | mvanbaak | try: /usr/sbin/asterisk -vvvvvvvr |
| 12:34.09 | mvanbaak | how did you become root? |
| 12:34.10 | mvanbaak | su |
| 12:34.12 | mvanbaak | su - |
| 12:34.15 | mvanbaak | sudo su |
| 12:34.17 | mvanbaak | sudo su - |
| 12:34.17 | mvanbaak | ? |
| 12:34.22 | jack_-__ | yea |
| 12:34.24 | jack_-__ | it worked |
| 12:34.50 | mvanbaak | su without the - will not alter the environment |
| 12:35.02 | mvanbaak | so $PATH will be the same as the user |
| 12:35.13 | mvanbaak | if you run su with the - it will read root's environment |
| 12:35.18 | mvanbaak | including $PATH |
| 12:35.26 | mvanbaak | my bet is you did not use the - |
| 12:35.40 | jack_-__ | yea |
| 12:35.43 | jack_-__ | true |
| 12:35.47 | jack_-__ | well see the problem |
| 12:35.51 | mvanbaak | so next time, use su - |
| 12:36.01 | jack_-__ | when i dialing from one sip provider i am getting strange noise |
| 12:36.12 | jack_-__ | when it starts the call |
| 12:36.26 | jack_-__ | and when it rings as if there is someone talkin in the background |
| 12:38.02 | jack_-__ | Warning: 392 212.97.59.76:5061 "Noisy feedback tells: pid=326 req_src_ip=216.235.152.164 req_src_port=5060 in_uri=sip:sip.messagenet.it:5061 out_uri=sip:sip.messagenet.it:5061 via_cnt==1" |
| 12:48.10 | jack_-__ | any idea guys? |
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| 13:19.48 | RolfBeethoven | SteveTotaro Are you there? |
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| 13:40.51 | yassine | hi everyone, |
| 13:42.01 | yassine | when i try ztmonitor 1 -vv i can see that my system get incoming calls signal but when i try to involve incoming call zap extension in my routing strategies asterisk seem to do not notice that calls are submitted |
| 13:45.53 | troubled | yassine: asterisk doesnt show the incoming status? |
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| 13:47.04 | yassine | no |
| 13:47.46 | troubled | try asterisk -rvvv? |
| 13:47.58 | tzafrir | yassine, what is the output of: zap show channels |
| 13:48.01 | troubled | i dont see my zaptel ring unless im verbose |
| 13:48.38 | yassine | okay let me try that |
| 13:53.40 | BBHoss | thought i would let everyone know that i have a te210p for sale cheap, on ebay. It ends in a few hours http://cgi.ebay.com/Digium-TE210P-NEW-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ180206706716 |
| 13:54.03 | BBHoss | shit wrong window |
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| 14:02.50 | hi365 | how can i tell which version of asterisk = which svn version? |
| 14:03.16 | mvanbaak | hi365: what do you mean ? |
| 14:04.04 | hi365 | 1.4.17 is equal to what svn? (if a bug has been updated in svn, how can i tell if it is in an official release?) |
| 14:05.31 | mvanbaak | hi365: 1.4.17 is copied from branches/1.4 rev 95947 |
| 14:05.45 | hi365 | cool. how do you know that? |
| 14:05.47 | troubled | hi365: im sure if they patch svn, they would increase the minor |
| 14:06.15 | mvanbaak | hi365: go to http://svn.digium.com/view/asterisk/tags/1.4.17/ |
| 14:06.19 | hi365 | not every svn update is imideatly released as a major/minor reloase |
| 14:06.47 | mvanbaak | the svn log will tell you |
| 14:06.49 | troubled | no, but im sure they only tag it if its changed |
| 14:06.59 | mvanbaak | they only tag releases |
| 14:07.13 | mvanbaak | if you want to stay up-to-date checkout branches/1.4 |
| 14:07.20 | mvanbaak | a simple svn up will pull the patches |
| 14:07.21 | hi365 | didnt you meant 1.14.17=94948? |
| 14:07.34 | asr33 | I would like congratulate the author of "Asterisk the Future of Telephony" it is beautifully written, easy to understand, it could be the first computer manual I will read from beginning to end |
| 14:07.37 | mvanbaak | hi365: yes |
| 14:07.45 | hi365 | cool. now i got it. thanks |
| 14:08.03 | mvanbaak | but it was copied from branches/1.4 |
| 14:08.09 | mvanbaak | you want that number |
| 14:08.38 | mvanbaak | because once it's copied, there are some things done (autotag externals, import .version, update changelog etc) |
| 14:08.59 | mvanbaak | so the final revision of 1.4.17 is couple above the original rev it was copied from |
| 14:10.12 | troubled | hi365: cd to the dir, svn log --stop-on-copy --verbose |
| 14:11.37 | mvanbaak | troubled: that will only work if checked out from svn |
| 14:11.52 | mvanbaak | the tarball is an 'svn export' so no svn dirs there (I think)h |
| 14:12.15 | Stefan1979 | Hi.. Kid's in trouble again :) I've compiled an installed zaptel (and lszaptel show my bri channels) - but i'm missing zap commands from asterisk-- |
| 14:12.16 | troubled | i assumed he was in a working copy. my bad |
| 14:12.42 | mvanbaak | Stefan1979: you need to compile asterisk again if you installed zaptel later |
| 14:13.45 | Stefan1979 | mvanbaak: Ok i try to compile again (it where compiled by a script from the junghans driver) |
| 14:14.06 | mvanbaak | hhmm |
| 14:14.13 | mvanbaak | how did you do it ? |
| 14:14.24 | mvanbaak | because with that script everything should work fine |
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| 14:14.41 | Stefan1979 | mvanbaak: something like ./compile |
| 14:15.10 | Stefan1979 | :) |
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| 14:16.41 | mvanbaak | yeah |
| 14:16.43 | mvanbaak | ok |
| 14:17.38 | Stefan1979 | (it's my first time i'll try to connect an asterisk to isdn) |
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| 14:19.56 | Stefan1979 | And should the isdn card be in TE mode if i connect it to the nt box? |
| 14:20.05 | Stefan1979 | (just to be sure) |
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| 14:30.59 | RoyK | nt connects to te |
| 14:31.07 | RoyK | just as fxs connects to fxo |
| 14:33.17 | Stefan1979 | RoyK: Thnxs... It's while since i took my "basic isdn technic course" at the phonecompany.. (like 10 yrs ago.. and i haven't been using it since) |
| 14:33.35 | RoyK | hehe |
| 14:37.51 | Stefan1979 | Next question.. I've compiled asterisk with bristuff; but the zap commands aren't showing up in asterisk.. Can i check if they have been compiled into asterisk or anyhow see what are missing? |
| 14:40.25 | mvanbaak | module load chan_zap.so |
| 14:40.32 | mvanbaak | on the asterisk cli |
| 14:41.39 | Stefan1979 | mvanbaak: thxs |
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| 14:53.20 | mvanbaak | tzafrir: ping |
| 14:53.32 | tzafrir | pong |
| 14:53.37 | mvanbaak | in debian |
| 14:53.51 | mvanbaak | where should I create a file to reflect something is run ? |
| 14:53.53 | mvanbaak | like |
| 14:53.59 | mvanbaak | I have a VM image |
| 14:54.17 | mvanbaak | first time login ever should trigger a script |
| 14:54.29 | mvanbaak | every login after that script is finished it should not run |
| 14:55.03 | mamep | hello, do u know any provider giving free call in numbers? |
| 14:55.32 | tzafrir | mvanbaak, /var/run/PACKAGENAME ? |
| 14:55.49 | tzafrir | It is probably deleted on boot |
| 14:55.52 | mvanbaak | but that does get cleaned on reboot right ? |
| 14:55.59 | mvanbaak | yeah, it is cleaned |
| 14:56.29 | mvanbaak | not a good plan |
| 14:56.53 | mvanbaak | hhmm |
| 14:57.05 | mvanbaak | I can create a file in /etc/default I think |
| 14:57.35 | mvanbaak | file /etc/default/PACKAGENAME with RUN_SETUP=no |
| 14:58.02 | mvanbaak | does that sound sane for a debian setup ? |
| 14:58.19 | tzafrir | I already have something like that in rapid-scripts |
| 14:58.37 | mvanbaak | yeah, thought so, that's why I asked you |
| 14:58.45 | RoyK | http://bash.org/?670375 |
| 14:59.06 | mvanbaak | hahahahaha |
| 15:00.13 | mvanbaak | tzafrir: xorcom is in svn ? |
| 15:00.29 | tzafrir | not any external svn |
| 15:00.48 | tzafrir | let me see where it is... |
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| 15:07.23 | mvanbaak | rapid-scripts-1.1.14 ? |
| 15:07.42 | tzafrir | yes |
| 15:10.24 | mvanbaak | hhmm |
| 15:10.32 | mvanbaak | no such check as I want in there |
| 15:11.24 | tzafrir | debian/rapid-scripts.init in the source tarball |
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| 15:11.28 | mamep | hello, do u know any provider giving free call in numbers? |
| 15:12.04 | tzafrir | Look at RAPID_DO_HW_DETECTION |
| 15:12.06 | Stefan1979 | chan_zap.c:975 zt_open: Unable to specify channel 1: Device or resource busy.. ev :-( |
| 15:12.33 | mvanbaak | thanks |
| 15:12.34 | mvanbaak | found it |
| 15:12.38 | tzafrir | Stefan1979, version of Zaptel? Asterisk? |
| 15:13.38 | Stefan1979 | tzafrir: asterisk-1.4.17, zaptel-1.4.7.1 |
| 15:14.00 | tzafrir | Any chance that there's another Asterisk running? |
| 15:16.40 | Stefan1979 | tzafrir: Nope.. |
| 15:17.30 | Stefan1979 | (no chance.. and there werent...) Asterisk segfaults after a zap restart |
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| 15:23.58 | mvanbaak | tzafrir: http://pastebin.ca/866320 |
| 15:24.28 | mvanbaak | this is for a virtual appliance disk image |
| 15:28.48 | SteveTotaro | does zaptel hardware work on a VM? |
| 15:33.42 | mvanbaak | it can work yes |
| 15:38.28 | tzafrir | mvanbaak, I saw some negative results, but haven't done any extensive tests |
| 15:38.28 | tzafrir | do you have any positive results? |
| 15:39.02 | mvanbaak | yeah |
| 15:39.02 | tzafrir | mvanbaak, bash.bashrc? why there? |
| 15:39.02 | mvanbaak | I tested capi cards and X100P on xen |
| 15:39.29 | mvanbaak | tzafrir: because if the user logs in for the first time it will do setup |
| 15:39.57 | mvanbaak | like change the users password, setup mysql root password, run svn update on our apps dir, patch database if needed |
| 15:40.06 | mvanbaak | we are going to distribute this image |
| 15:40.42 | mvanbaak | users can create vmware config, use this disk image, boot it, log in with default username/password, do the initial setup, and be done with it |
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| 16:01.06 | Stefan1979 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.04 | Stefan1979 | mvanbaak: Module already exists |
| 16:18.11 | Stefan1979 | ups ;) |
| 16:19.19 | tzafrir | Stefan1979, is this BRI or PRI? |
| 16:20.16 | Stefan1979 | BRI... But i seemed that i got the signalling wrong... changed bri_cpe_ptmp to bri_cpe |
| 16:20.25 | Stefan1979 | and now it seems to work |
| 16:20.58 | mvanbaak | you have more then one BRI line correct ? |
| 16:21.04 | Stefan1979 | 2 |
| 16:21.19 | Stefan1979 | 2x BRI |
| 16:21.45 | mvanbaak | if it were two seperate lines with their own MSN's it would have been bri_cpe_ptmp |
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| 16:22.00 | mvanbaak | if it's two lines sharing the same MSN's it's point-to-point |
| 16:22.04 | mvanbaak | so bri_cpe |
| 16:22.24 | Stefan1979 | Ya.. I kinda remembered something from my isdn course once upon a time (1997 :) |
| 16:28.21 | jameswf-home | I have to brush up on BRI we will be putting out a bri card soon.... |
| 16:28.38 | tzafrir | jameswf-home, BRI? where? |
| 16:28.47 | tzafrir | In the US? |
| 16:29.09 | tzafrir | or in saner parts of the world (that use euroisdn) |
| 16:29.37 | jameswf-home | I think the goal will be to support anything misdn does |
| 16:30.22 | tzafrir | Actually Zaptel also has now support for BRI. Though quite limited. |
| 16:30.26 | jameswf-home | The target will probably be europe as the US doesnt have a big enough BRI market to support a new product in its self |
| 16:30.30 | tzafrir | Unless you use bristuff |
| 16:32.24 | tzafrir | BTW: I'm playing now with search.wikia.com, as part of my quest for an alternative search engine |
| 16:32.45 | mvanbaak | http://www.av.com |
| 16:32.53 | tzafrir | So far it is not really usable as a search engine. But has some strange/interesting ideas |
| 16:33.17 | tzafrir | mvanbaak, Altavista is now just a bad fronend to search.yahoo.com |
| 16:33.20 | jameswf-home | we should have the first run of bri cards in the next few weeks so We will tdear those up maybe they will go to market in march |
| 16:34.09 | jameswf-home | We also will be pushing out single and dual port T1/ETH/PSTN failovers in the next month or so |
| 16:35.10 | jameswf-home | asterisk realy needs to work its self in to the high availibility systems market |
| 16:36.09 | tzanger | jameswf-home: why? |
| 16:36.28 | tzanger | asterisk is not a softswitch |
| 16:36.34 | tzafrir | Because a PBX needs to be available :-) |
| 16:36.40 | jameswf-home | because thats what people who arent using asterisk as an answering machine want |
| 16:36.47 | tzanger | jameswf-home: I disagree |
| 16:37.11 | tzanger | asterisk is as available as any of my other servers, perhaps more because I do run dual power supplies on separate UPSes |
| 16:37.18 | jameswf-home | well as someone who deals with the above market I sort of have inside knowledge |
| 16:37.52 | tzanger | but honestly I don't get the "ZOMG I NEED QUAD ETHERNET HOT SWAP MEMORY NINTEEN NINES UPTIME" mentality |
| 16:38.04 | tzanger | *most* servers I run are down less than an hour a year |
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| 16:38.18 | tzanger | provided they are in a good environment with decent power and are not fucked with |
| 16:38.27 | tzanger | yes, power supplies, drives, boards, etc fail |
| 16:38.30 | jameswf-home | people want redundancy its like condoms better to have and not need then to need and not have |
| 16:38.50 | tzanger | yes, but your Nortel isn't highly available |
| 16:39.01 | tzanger | yur file server, DSL connection, hell power company |
| 16:39.11 | tzanger | none are highly available in the sense that most people THINK they need their PBX to be |
| 16:39.25 | tzanger | overengineering a little helps, but that's Just Good Sense. |
| 16:39.53 | mvanbaak | tzafrir: now you are talking about normal office locations |
| 16:39.55 | tzanger | if you're trying to use asterisk as a carrier-class switch, that's something entirely different |
| 16:39.57 | mvanbaak | we run a hosted pbx |
| 16:40.05 | tzanger | hosted pbx, now that is something different again |
| 16:40.09 | mvanbaak | in a datacenter with redundant everything |
| 16:40.12 | tzanger | because one piece of hardware impacts a lot of everybody |
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| 16:40.32 | mvanbaak | so yes, we need HA |
| 16:40.38 | tzanger | the only thing I could suggest there is a frontend of SER and balancing shit across 'n' regular boxes |
| 16:41.02 | tzanger | but yeah, I dunno, I think that's maybe applying asterisk incorrectly |
| 16:41.12 | mvanbaak | eh ? |
| 16:41.14 | mvanbaak | why ? |
| 16:41.40 | tzanger | because it's not designed to be highly available, have hot swap anything or even fail over correctly |
| 16:41.47 | tzanger | those things are coming in fits and spurts |
| 16:41.51 | _ShrikE | we use asterisk in a carrier environment and it serves us perfectly. We do however understand it's limitations and try not to exceed them. |
| 16:41.53 | jameswf-home | our systems are in everythiing from 2 man chop shops to nuclear subs and nasa and stock exchanges so some things not so important and somethings need to work reguardless with 99.9% uptime |
| 16:42.00 | tzanger | e.g. realtime, common storage for voicemail, etc. |
| 16:42.18 | tzanger | standard PC hardware will get you three nines without any trouble whatsoever |
| 16:42.33 | mvanbaak | uhhuh |
| 16:42.43 | tzanger | obviously the stock exchanges are a specialized case |
| 16:42.46 | mvanbaak | we have a bunch of 1U servers with xen |
| 16:42.58 | jameswf-home | have you ever pushed the volume of a stock exchange through asterisk |
| 16:43.10 | mvanbaak | we have 3 asterisk instances running, with obsd to find one that's alive and route traffic to that one |
| 16:43.17 | mvanbaak | storage is on a netapp |
| 16:43.22 | jameswf-home | more volume the less reliable hardware |
| 16:43.24 | mvanbaak | that's how we do it |
| 16:43.52 | tzanger | jameswf-home: as I said, that's a specialized case, I would be veyr leery of deploying asterisk there |
| 16:44.07 | mvanbaak | we wouldn't do that |
| 16:44.14 | mvanbaak | too little manpower in the company |
| 16:44.23 | tzanger | mvanbaak: right, it's a load balancing way of handling HA |
| 16:44.34 | mvanbaak | tzanger: indeed |
| 16:44.36 | jameswf-home | we arent because we have engineered them to be HA but it shouldnt have to be reengineered |
| 16:44.36 | mvanbaak | and it works |
| 16:45.06 | tzanger | jameswf-home: how have you engineered Asterisk to be HA for something as critical as a phone system for a stock exchange? I'm curious |
| 16:45.24 | jameswf-home | redundancy and creative routing |
| 16:46.18 | tzanger | jameswf-home: heh "creative accounting" |
| 16:46.30 | tzanger | er "routing" -- I was going to make a joke wrt accounting but I just fucked it up |
| 16:46.31 | jameswf-home | every system has a double and nothing ids fully dependent on anything else |
| 16:47.00 | tzanger | right, mesh-type routing topology type of thing... two NICs in every * going to two different switches type of thing? |
| 16:47.09 | jameswf-home | Like i said its a pain in the azz shoulnt be |
| 16:47.55 | tzanger | that's why I was suggesting something very light and easily redundible (heh) in front of the mess of * boxes to load balance/distribute calls |
| 16:48.29 | tzanger | like a front end router doing heartbeat to a pair or more of SER boxes which provide the "face" to the world, talking to a cluster of * boxes in hte back |
| 16:48.56 | darius_ | I'm trying to setup asterisk realtime. "odbc show" says I'm connected and I see it query the DB everytime I run that from the asterisk cli. However, my family configuration fails as follows: |
| 16:48.56 | mvanbaak | tzanger: yeah, that's how we do it |
| 16:48.58 | darius_ | Jan 20 16:40:56 WARNING[18232]: config.c:925 find_engine: Realtime mapping for 'voicemail' found to engine 'pgsql', but the engine is not available |
| 16:49.29 | mvanbaak | darius_: map it to odbc instead of pgsql |
| 16:50.03 | tzanger | mvanbaak: :-) pretty smart for an old fart, eh? |
| 16:50.08 | mvanbaak | we use openbsd with hoststated to do the check of available loadbalancers |
| 16:50.21 | tzanger | I've not touched obsd in many, many years |
| 16:50.33 | mvanbaak | it rox today |
| 16:50.36 | tzanger | or anything but linux in fact |
| 16:51.25 | mvanbaak | hhmm, this setup script actually works :) |
| 16:51.32 | darius_ | mvanbaak: when I do that, I also get no failure wit no query against the db: Jan 20 16:49:38 WARNING[20320]: app_voicemail.c:2461 leave_voicemail: No entry in voicemail config file for '5900' |
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| 16:52.04 | mvanbaak | darius_: odbc show shows you the odbc connections |
| 16:52.18 | darius_ | yes, and that works |
| 16:52.48 | mvanbaak | do you have a 5900 voicemail entry in your database ? |
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| 16:53.17 | darius_ | mvanbaak: yes, but I'm looging all queries at the database and I'm never getting one for the voicemail family |
| 16:53.47 | mvanbaak | what's the voicemail line in extconfig.conf ? |
| 16:53.57 | darius_ | mvanbaak: odbc show does produce a query against the database so I believe that database connectivity is working |
| 16:54.19 | darius_ | mvanbaak: voicemail => odbc,bourgnet,asterisk.voicemail |
| 16:55.50 | mvanbaak | and you have bourgnet defined in res_odbc.conf ? |
| 16:55.52 | darius_ | mvanbaak: wasn't sure if prepending a schema to the table name would be a problem but I still don't see a hit against the DB when it is removed |
| 16:56.20 | darius_ | well, I have: |
| 16:56.20 | darius_ | [pgsql] |
| 16:56.21 | darius_ | enabled => yes |
| 16:56.21 | darius_ | dsn => BourgNet-Asterisk |
| 16:56.21 | darius_ | pre-connect => yes |
| 16:56.59 | mvanbaak | ok |
| 16:57.20 | mvanbaak | then your extconfig.conf line should be: voicemail => odbc,pgsql |
| 16:59.33 | darius_ | wow, it fails but I get a hit against the DB now |
| 16:59.37 | darius_ | thanks mvanbakk |
| 16:59.41 | darius_ | mvanbaak even |
| 16:59.50 | mvanbaak | sure, no problem |
| 17:00.01 | mvanbaak | now you can debug why it fails |
| 17:00.16 | mvanbaak | prolly because your database does not contain the correct structure and/or data |
| 17:02.50 | darius_ | is there any way to get asterisk to expose the query it's submitting? The database logs show prepared variable stuff that isn't too helpful sometimes :) |
| 17:03.20 | UnixDog | ok testbuilding 1.6 on bsd |
| 17:03.22 | UnixDog | here we go |
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| 17:03.58 | mvanbaak | UnixDog: what BSD ? |
| 17:04.04 | UnixDog | Freebsd |
| 17:04.13 | mvanbaak | it compiles and runs on OpenBSD |
| 17:04.57 | UnixDog | it should but we go back and patch a few things on freebsd for better performance |
| 17:05.03 | UnixDog | and cleaner compiling |
| 17:05.32 | UnixDog | we also change a few null pointers |
| 17:05.42 | mvanbaak | cleaner compiling ? |
| 17:05.51 | mvanbaak | it compiles in devmode here on OpenBSD |
| 17:07.16 | UnixDog | if you look at the bsd port on freebsd you can see what is done |
| 17:07.23 | UnixDog | we also have been patching codec isses we find |
| 17:08.56 | tzafrir | UnixDog, are those issues reported upstream? |
| 17:09.57 | UnixDog | dont know as I am not the port maintainer maxium sobula is |
| 17:10.05 | Qwell | in other words: no |
| 17:10.06 | UnixDog | and he is nowhere to be found |
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| 17:11.10 | tzafrir | well, if you have some extra time consider going over the included patches to push them into 1.6 |
| 17:11.11 | darius_ | mvanbaak: I've seen several different examples of table structure for voicemail.. but I created a minimal replica of what's shown in the Jan 20 16:58:09 WARNING[22385]: app_voicemail.c:2461 leave_voicemail: No entry in voicemail config file for '5900' |
| 17:11.22 | darius_ | shoot, I messed that up |
| 17:11.28 | mvanbaak | lol |
| 17:11.34 | ManxPower | darius_: you should look at the doc directory in the asterisk source. |
| 17:11.43 | darius_ | yes, I'm looking at the docs |
| 17:11.44 | darius_ | README.extconfig.bz2 |
| 17:11.47 | UnixDog | I have 3 things goings a break in the xpp driver with the latest zaptel src |
| 17:11.53 | UnixDog | so I am fixing it |
| 17:12.01 | darius_ | I'm replicating that perfectly |
| 17:12.05 | darius_ | field names |
| 17:12.08 | UnixDog | then building and testing the asterisk on bsd |
| 17:12.14 | tzafrir | UnixDog, trhat was regarding "extra time"? :-) |
| 17:12.19 | darius_ | everything is a text database type except uniqueid, which is integer |
| 17:12.24 | UnixDog | ahh ok |
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| 17:13.36 | darius_ | Is there any requirement to have more than these field names: uniqueid | mailbox | context | password | email | fullname |
| 17:13.37 | tzafrir | anyway, if there's anything I can help with the xpp driver, feel free to ask... |
| 17:13.50 | UnixDog | the 1.4.8 was merged into the freebsd zaptel src tree and broke a few things including xpp |
| 17:13.58 | UnixDog | so now its a fixit weekend |
| 17:14.17 | UnixDog | was up till 2 am last 2 nights going over it with the team |
| 17:14.25 | UnixDog | hope to have it fixed today |
| 17:14.35 | UnixDog | but they have not chimed in yet |
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| 17:21.54 | mvanbaak | darius_: you miss at least pager |
| 17:21.58 | mvanbaak | hey russellb |
| 17:22.00 | russellb | hey |
| 17:22.10 | mvanbaak | you here even on sunday eh ? |
| 17:22.24 | russellb | heh, yeah |
| 17:22.41 | russellb | i'm about to get married though, after that happens, don't expect to see me much outside of office hours :) |
| 17:23.00 | mvanbaak | I was about to say: 'dont you have a life' but then I realized it's sunday and i'm here as well ;) |
| 17:23.57 | mvanbaak | russellb: that will only be in the beginning |
| 17:24.00 | mvanbaak | trust me |
| 17:24.07 | mvanbaak | I'm married for 5 years now |
| 17:24.17 | SteveTotaro | "man overboard!!!" |
| 17:24.27 | mvanbaak | the first couple of months I was indeed not online after office hours |
| 17:24.35 | tzafrir | man ovebored? |
| 17:24.47 | mvanbaak | but after a while you start doing your own thing again |
| 17:25.14 | SteveTotaro | so when is the bachelor party? |
| 17:25.45 | russellb | heh, don't know ... i've talked to some friends about doing something in march, but nothing officially planned yet |
| 17:26.22 | SteveTotaro | tzafrir, are you married? |
| 17:26.33 | tzafrir | me? nah |
| 17:26.37 | darius_ | mvanbaak: a pager field isn't in the readme file .. is there anything that would spell out requirements from the database? |
| 17:27.12 | mvanbaak | look at the sql query |
| 17:27.15 | mvanbaak | it will tell you |
| 17:27.44 | SteveTotaro | ok, i see some great minds here, i have a question and theory i would like some input on, maybe someone has already done it |
| 17:27.45 | ManxPower | one would assume tzafrir knows better than to get married. |
| 17:28.03 | SteveTotaro | he is omnipresent |
| 17:28.29 | darius_ | mvanbaak: it doesn't show me what's required as a response. Here's what I see when I try 'realtime load' from the cli: Jan 20 17:20:59 arrogance postgres[22205]: [21-1] LOG: statement: PREPARE"SQL_CUR9"(char)AS SELECT * FROM asterisk.voicemail WHERE mailbox = $1 |
| 17:28.29 | darius_ | Jan 20 17:20:59 arrogance postgres[22205]: [22-1] LOG: statement: EXECUTE"SQL_CUR9"('') [PREPARE: PREPARE"SQL_CUR9"(char)AS SELECT * FROM asterisk.voicemail WHERE mailbox = |
| 17:28.29 | darius_ | Jan 20 17:20:59 arrogance postgres[22205]: [22-2] $1] |
| 17:29.02 | ManxPower | I assume you have a table called voicemail and a field named mailbox ? |
| 17:29.25 | darius_ | asterisk.voicemail is the table, and yes there's a fieldname mailbox |
| 17:31.59 | ManxPower | I believe that means database "asterisk", table "voicemail", not "table asterisk.voicemail", but I could be wrong. |
| 17:31.59 | darius_ | ManxPower: I'm using a schema "asterisk", table "voicemail" - which I have defined in extconfig.conf |
| 17:31.59 | ManxPower | also, I assume none of your mailbox names have a space in them? |
| 17:32.06 | darius_ | correct |
| 17:32.32 | mvanbaak | darius_: run: realtime load |
| 17:32.39 | mvanbaak | after that: voicemail show users |
| 17:32.51 | ManxPower | Personally, I'm terrified to put asterisk stuff in a database. |
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| 17:33.11 | ManxPower | Especially after that disaster with doing the same thing with our mail server. |
| 17:33.31 | darius_ | I don't have a voicemail show users |
| 17:33.51 | mvanbaak | ManxPower: must be configuration issue |
| 17:33.58 | mvanbaak | we have mailserver stuff in our database as well |
| 17:34.00 | mvanbaak | runs smoothly |
| 17:35.05 | darius_ | and realtime load doesn't seem to "load" a voicemail config .. but rather allow you to query for an entry? |
| 17:36.37 | mvanbaak | ok |
| 17:36.50 | darius_ | the pg database is in an ha cluster .. I may just push it over to a second box and take a packet trace. Wish I could see what asterisk is sending/receiving from its perspective. |
| 17:36.50 | mvanbaak | so what is the query when you try to call your voicemail ? |
| 17:37.15 | mvanbaak | darius_: you can enable trace in your odbc.ini |
| 17:37.21 | mvanbaak | no need to do packet dumps |
| 17:37.27 | mvanbaak | you can make odbc log it in a file |
| 17:37.43 | darius_ | here's the voicemail query |
| 17:37.44 | darius_ | Jan 20 17:36:46 arrogance postgres[22205]: [23-1] LOG: statement: PREPARE"SQL_CUR10"(char,char)AS SELECT * FROM asterisk.voicemail WHERE mailbox = $1 AND context = $2 |
| 17:37.44 | darius_ | Jan 20 17:36:46 arrogance postgres[22205]: [24-1] LOG: statement: EXECUTE"SQL_CUR10"('','') [PREPARE: PREPARE"SQL_CUR10"(char,char)AS SELECT * FROM asterisk.voicemail WHERE |
| 17:37.44 | darius_ | Jan 20 17:36:46 arrogance postgres[22205]: [24-2] mailbox = $1 AND context = $2] |
| 17:38.00 | darius_ | mvanbaak: good idea - I forgot about the odbc layer :) |
| 17:38.09 | mvanbaak | and what is in your database ? |
| 17:39.03 | darius_ | bourgnet=> SELECT * FROM asterisk.voicemail WHERE mailbox = '5900' AND context = 'default'; |
| 17:39.03 | darius_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.03 | darius_ | ----------+---------+---------+----------+-------+-------------- |
| 17:39.03 | darius_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.25 | UnixDog | ~ pastebin |
| 17:39.26 | jbot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 17:39.48 | darius_ | sorry, I knew I was on the edge :) |
| 17:41.03 | UnixDog | a coding I will go a coding I will go hi ho the merieo a coding I will go |
| 17:44.38 | darius_ | hmm, I can't get it to create the trace file |
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| 17:47.12 | darius_ | Tracing with unixODBC should just be Trace=yes and TraceFile=/tmp/sql.log in odbc.ini right? Do I have to specify a trace level? |
| 18:01.15 | mvanbaak | hhmm |
| 18:01.22 | mvanbaak | sudo echo "bla" >> file |
| 18:01.39 | mvanbaak | if file is not owned by the user running that line I get permission denied |
| 18:01.47 | mvanbaak | what am I doing wrong ? |
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| 18:04.32 | kyron | mvanbaak, you might be thinking : sudo 'echo "bla" >> file' |
| 18:04.39 | kyron | not the same thing |
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| 18:08.28 | nephfl | what is a good dialer for basic broadcast dialing? |
| 18:19.28 | nephfl | anyone around? |
| 18:20.35 | UnixDog | btw the issue with bsd asterisk patches is that we dont know who has the rights to sign them over to digium |
| 18:20.56 | UnixDog | and the person who controls the port is not responing to emails |
| 18:21.09 | UnixDog | but I will look into getting a answer this week |
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| 18:22.53 | UnixDog | and the make menuselect is also a issue with our port we are trying to work around |
| 18:23.06 | UnixDog | as that we can not call this directly |
| 18:23.12 | UnixDog | and its a pain |
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| 18:24.52 | nephfl | so, does anyone have much experience with autodialer scripts? |
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| 18:28.55 | Greek-Boy | Any reason to why one of my asterisk boxes doesn't accept or make local calls if the internet gateway goes down? |
| 18:31.20 | nephfl | are you using sip trunking or pstn? |
| 18:31.52 | ManxPower | ~trunk |
| 18:31.53 | jbot | i guess trunk is is a word with varying definitions. In Asterisk, a trunk is a "stream of UDP packets containing IAX2 frames from more than 1 call"; in telecom, a trunk is a "single voice channel between two pieces of switching equipment."; in Ethernet a trunk carries more than one 802.1q VLAN. There is no such thing as a "SIP Trunk" -- Don't use the term. |
| 18:32.05 | UnixDog | fetch: ftp://ftp.digium.com/pub/libpri/releases/libpri-1.6.0-beta1.tar.gz: Connection refuse |
| 18:32.15 | UnixDog | why is the ftp server rejecting |
| 18:32.18 | ManxPower | Greek-Boy: Asterisk is disturbingly dependent on DNS. If it can't do host lookups it will stop working. |
| 18:32.31 | ManxPower | UnixDog: Because Digium no longer has an FTP server. You must use HTTP. |
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| 18:33.21 | ManxPower | I guessed you missed the discussion on the mailing list about this as well as the announcement |
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| 18:33.52 | karleeto | can anyone direct me to a document or give me a hint on how to change the functionality of the message key on a polycom 501 phone? i've been pooring through the administrator guide to no avail and it seems like this should be something pretty simple |
| 18:34.13 | SteveTotaro | the web interface is simple |
| 18:34.29 | karleeto | SteveTotaro: so there is options for that in the interface? |
| 18:34.32 | SteveTotaro | enter the IP, Polycom:456 is default |
| 18:34.35 | SteveTotaro | yes |
| 18:34.51 | karleeto | i guess i could change it on one phone, see what it wrote in the override file and add that to the global config |
| 18:34.56 | karleeto | correct? |
| 18:35.06 | ManxPower | I assume by "change the funcationality" you want it to do something that is NOT "dial voicemail" |
| 18:35.18 | SteveTotaro | i don't think it overwrite the file though |
| 18:35.32 | karleeto | ManxPower: no, i want it to dial *98 instead of the extension you are using when you press connect |
| 18:35.46 | karleeto | ManxPower: the default functionality is to dial yourself |
| 18:35.56 | SteveTotaro | yeah, you can do that via the web interface |
| 18:36.00 | ManxPower | karleeto: Um, that is so trivial it's not funny. |
| 18:36.21 | ManxPower | http://www.fnords.org/~eric/polycom-config-examples/ |
| 18:36.22 | nephfl | or the config file |
| 18:36.30 | karleeto | ManxPower: seems so ;) i never even looked in the web interface, i was looking through the sip.cfg, etc |
| 18:36.34 | ManxPower | There are samples of what WE use (we use FTP provisioning) |
| 18:36.46 | karleeto | ManxPower: awesome! thanks a bunch man |
| 18:36.56 | karleeto | ManxPower: as am i |
| 18:37.15 | karleeto | ManxPower: which is why i was too retarted to look in the web config, lol |
| 18:37.21 | tzafrir | UnixDog, because the ftp service is not there anymore |
| 18:37.33 | UnixDog | got it |
| 18:37.49 | UnixDog | have 5 projects going at once |
| 18:38.13 | UnixDog | patchin 1.6 and freebsd-zaptel with xpp included |
| 18:38.23 | ManxPower | karleeto: the web config is just a toddlers interface to the config files. |
| 18:38.25 | UnixDog | and 2 other ports |
| 18:39.09 | karleeto | ManxPower: i know, thats why i hadn't looked there |
| 18:39.09 | UnixDog | now to remember the tag for pulling the beta releas svn |
| 18:39.33 | UnixDog | brain overload |
| 18:40.02 | karleeto | ManxPower: but now that i think about it, i could change what i need to on one phone with the web config, observe what that phone wrote to its override file after that, and add that to the site.cfg file i use to apply that change globally to the phones |
| 18:40.09 | karleeto | ManxPower: sound reasonable? |
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| 18:40.51 | nephfl | so, any input on dialer scripts? |
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| 18:42.44 | ManxPower | nephfl: they are too close to telemarketing and telepoll stuff for our confort. |
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| 18:43.23 | phigan | Anyone in here use Gizmoproject? Their knowledgebase says it supports a bunch of codecs, but none of the codecs asterisk uses other than ulaw work |
| 18:43.40 | nephfl | im not a telemarketer...but what is the problem if it was for that...why are those not as good a use of a phone system as any? |
| 18:43.40 | phigan | it says Gizmo should support ilbc |
| 18:44.07 | UnixDog | when is the 1.6 branch going to be in the svn brances dir |
| 18:44.10 | UnixDog | as a tag |
| 18:44.31 | UnixDog | I need a svn of the beta release |
| 18:44.44 | UnixDog | for creating proper patches |
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| 18:45.42 | UnixDog | is there a way to pull the svn of the beta ? |
| 18:45.58 | tzafrir | 1.6.x releases will branch directly from trunk |
| 18:46.03 | tzafrir | IIUC |
| 18:46.03 | nephfl | seems asterisk could be used for telemarketing, or setting up a privacy manager |
| 18:46.39 | karleeto | SteveTotaro: i'm not finding anything about the message key in the web config |
| 18:46.46 | adorah | hi fellas hi tzafrir |
| 18:47.02 | tzafrir | to pull release XYZ: look at http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/tags/XYZ |
| 18:47.06 | UnixDog | then whats the proper svn tag |
| 18:47.10 | tzafrir | adorah, hi, what's up? |
| 18:47.26 | UnixDog | to pull the beta |
| 18:47.29 | tzafrir | check http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/tags/ . It's browsable :-) |
| 18:47.39 | tzafrir | or use svn ls http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/tags/ |
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| 18:49.10 | ManxPower | nephfl: Asterisk would be good for making harassing phone calls too and we don't help people do that either. |
| 18:49.44 | SteveTotaro | nothing is wrong with telemarketing as long as you are doing it correctly and legally |
| 18:50.12 | adorah | <tzafrir>I'm mostly amused or bemused..depends on the point of view..my partner ordered from China 10 samples of cellular+wi fi phones in a very good price. He got today an empty EMS envelope..nothing was in 1400$ went in the air.. |
| 18:50.15 | ManxPower | That is where we disagree. |
| 18:50.16 | nephfl | yeah, i didnt even think of that until i saw scripts for dialing and voting on american idol |
| 18:50.57 | ManxPower | I don't agree that is useful 8-) |
| 18:51.30 | SteveTotaro | how about to win prizes from local radio stations or get on howard stern show? |
| 18:51.42 | ManxPower | I think the correct term for that is "cheating". |
| 18:51.57 | SteveTotaro | cheating would be something against the rules |
| 18:52.08 | SteveTotaro | if there is no rule than it is not cheating |
| 18:52.27 | SteveTotaro | spoken or unspoken |
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| 18:53.23 | darius_ | finally got odbc tracing enabled. It looks like Asterisk w/ Realtime is sending a broken sql query? SQL = [SELECT * FROM asterisk.voicemail WHERE mailbox = ? AND context = ?][length = 66 (SQL_NTS)] |
| 18:53.41 | nephfl | specifically, I have been asked to set up a polling system by a political consulting firm that does traditional phone-bank polling for a local party, it would have to be strickly within the law and as inoffensive as possible... but i can't seem to find alot of feedback on dialers |
| 18:53.54 | darius_ | Is there anything I could have done to influence this? |
| 18:53.56 | nephfl | strictly |
| 18:53.59 | nephfl | lol |
| 18:54.11 | SteveTotaro | vicidial |
| 18:54.28 | adorah | any experience with vcdial? |
| 18:54.45 | nephfl | i tried vicidial once, but it seems to be geared toward predictive dialing with a live sip operator |
| 18:54.58 | SteveTotaro | just what i saw and heard from matt at Astricon, we spoke on the same panel |
| 18:54.58 | nephfl | i just need a simple dial hopper |
| 18:55.09 | SteveTotaro | look at nerdvittles.com |
| 18:55.11 | nephfl | on, off hopper level, and pull numbers from sql |
| 18:55.12 | adorah | <nephfl>R U looking for an auto dialer? |
| 18:55.20 | nephfl | yes |
| 18:55.36 | adorah | Try teleyapper by nervittles |
| 18:55.48 | adorah | it is free.. |
| 18:55.48 | ManxPower | I am SO glad I'm not on any political "poll" spam lists. |
| 18:56.09 | jameswf-home | I wrote an auto dialer that calls a random number every 30 seconds and plays tt-monkeys .... yeah I have no life |
| 18:56.51 | SteveTotaro | i have an autodialer for small companies |
| 18:57.31 | jameswf-home | We use mine for stress testing sometimes we pull out the sleep :) |
| 18:57.35 | SteveTotaro | it calls X amount of numbers set in a conf file simultaneously and when one is answered it bridges it to your phone and pauses the dialing |
| 18:57.50 | nephfl | that teleyapper may look like it will do the trick...ill give it a try, i will have to write up a web dialplan editor and a few other things...and include an option to add to DND |
| 18:57.52 | jameswf-home | php can be incredibly fast |
| 18:57.56 | Luhiwu | adorah: do you know where your partner buy those phones from? i'm about to pay an invoice from 10 wifi phones from china |
| 18:59.08 | adorah | <Luhiwu>here is nite so only 2morrow can answer u..Just that he got it first by e-mail..and negociated for months..that guy is a real pro conn.. |
| 18:59.12 | UnixDog | ok libpri beta1 done |
| 18:59.18 | UnixDog | patched and builds |
| 18:59.26 | UnixDog | now asterisk |
| 18:59.43 | jameswf-home | you should have sent a cashiers check like they do in the netherlands |
| 18:59.50 | Luhiwu | adorah: ok, thanks, i'll try to get a few references from them before. |
| 19:01.23 | adorah | <Luhiwu>I buy from china india and taiwan stuff for years never had such an outright scam b4 nor my partner |
| 19:01.23 | jameswf-home | Luhiwu: you should call mike at e4 technologies he is a good guy to deal with |
| 19:01.54 | Luhiwu | jameswf-home: thanks for the information |
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| 19:04.40 | jameswf-home | we need to get another fonality employee in here |
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| 19:06.03 | adorah | <jameswf-home>one short question, the new TB 2.4 has sugar CRM on it? |
| 19:06.23 | jameswf-home | no |
| 19:07.15 | adorah | <jameswf-home>why? now I need to find a way to stitch it in..:( |
| 19:07.50 | jameswf-home | I am not part of fonality or the trixbox project so I have no idea why they do what they do |
| 19:08.16 | adorah | <jameswf-home>oh i c I thought u r working there..sorry.. |
| 19:09.10 | jameswf-home | I work at Rhino... as a side efect I install the top 10 asterisk based distros regularly |
| 19:10.05 | mvanbaak | 19:57 < jameswf-home> php can be incredibly fast |
| 19:10.15 | mvanbaak | it's also incredibly inconsistant |
| 19:10.36 | Qwell | who needs consistency when you can change consts? |
| 19:10.47 | mvanbaak | that's what I mean |
| 19:10.54 | Qwell | :D |
| 19:12.50 | mvanbaak | damn, my NAS is 92% used |
| 19:13.00 | mvanbaak | need....more....storagespace |
| 19:13.00 | jameswf-home | damn porn |
| 19:13.34 | mvanbaak | nah, Movies/Pr0n is only 83GB |
| 19:13.58 | jameswf-home | 83G does your arm get tired lol |
| 19:14.28 | mvanbaak | erm, yup, think so |
| 19:15.08 | jameswf-home | my dad picks up about 250gigs a month for movies I am like dude just delete some crap |
| 19:15.36 | mvanbaak | yeah, maybe I should delete some movies |
| 19:16.06 | jameswf-home | our work ftp got filled up I deleted a couple 7 gig backups so stuff could be added |
| 19:16.33 | mvanbaak | Movies: 600GB |
| 19:16.39 | mvanbaak | Music: 200GB |
| 19:16.57 | mvanbaak | Apps: 80GB |
| 19:17.02 | jameswf-home | I wonder if the riaa is here |
| 19:17.09 | mvanbaak | Xen: 300GB |
| 19:17.33 | darius_ | mvanbaak: both the odbc log and a packet trace show the query being submitted is missing the conditional values for the statement. Any idea how I could be causing this? |
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| 19:17.44 | mvanbaak | I have most movies and music on their original media here |
| 19:18.31 | mvanbaak | problem is, a good digital copy of a bluray disk with ac3 sound takes up a lot of space |
| 19:18.36 | jameswf-home | the latest round of law suits included illegal copying... the riaa and mpaa dont believe in personal backups |
| 19:19.23 | mvanbaak | maybe in your country. Here in .nl it's 100% legal |
| 19:19.44 | jameswf-home | isn't everything legal in the netherland |
| 19:19.51 | mvanbaak | erm, no |
| 19:20.12 | mvanbaak | but compared to the us a lot is legal here that is not there |
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| 19:21.45 | ManxPower | I like the Dutch outlook on things like that. |
| 19:21.57 | ManxPower | Their weather sucks, but their culture is great. |
| 19:22.47 | jameswf-home | can you guys carry guns? |
| 19:23.40 | tzafrir | Why is this sudden silence in the room? |
| 19:23.51 | tzafrir | "We can tell you, but we'll have to kill you" |
| 19:24.04 | d-tech | everyone 'can' carry a gun ... it's just do you have the 'ballz' to! |
| 19:24.19 | Greek-Boy | Manxpower: is the solution to have an in-house dns caching server? |
| 19:24.35 | jameswf-home | Canadians cant carry guns (legally) |
| 19:24.59 | jameswf-home | they dont even arm their border agents |
| 19:25.06 | lotho | who needs to carry guns in western country? |
| 19:25.37 | d-tech | legally??? .... lawfully is what counts! ... legally indicates a contractual obligation <period> |
| 19:27.52 | ManxPower | Greek-Boy: I've never heard of that helping. |
| 19:28.17 | mvanbaak | jameswf-home: we can carry guns, but it's not legal |
| 19:29.54 | ManxPower | many canadians have guns. Maybe not handguns, but rifles. |
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| 19:29.54 | jameswf-home | if its a pain your aiming the wrong way |
| 19:29.54 | jameswf-home | :) |
| 19:30.08 | UnixDog | http://flatplanetphone.com/wordpress/?p=450 |
| 19:30.13 | UnixDog | http://www.smithonvoip.com/voip-news/at-what-point-did-genuine-open-source-get-so-evil/ |
| 19:30.14 | d-tech | guns protect your 'personal' rights ... og course if 'you' have no rights (or desire for them) ... then 'you' have no need for a gun!! |
| 19:30.17 | UnixDog | whats up with this |
| 19:31.05 | jameswf-home | back to the condom metiphore... it is better to have one and not need one then to need one and not have one |
| 19:31.22 | tzafrir | d-tech, a gun does not protect your personal rights from someone with two guns |
| 19:31.33 | UnixDog | Digium/asterisk names now not open for use ? |
| 19:31.34 | d-tech | yes it does!! |
| 19:31.36 | jameswf-home | it does if you have 3 |
| 19:31.44 | jameswf-home | or if your a better aim |
| 19:32.02 | ManxPower | The whole gun thing is a VERY American view, BTW. |
| 19:32.05 | d-tech | what's TWO guns gonna do to your 'rights'? |
| 19:32.21 | jameswf-home | UnixDog: quit with trying to start a flame war |
| 19:32.24 | ManxPower | UnixDog: the names were NEVER for open use. |
| 19:32.41 | lotho | ManxPower: you are absolutly right |
| 19:32.49 | ManxPower | The ONLY time I EVER considered owning a gun was in Dec 1999 |
| 19:33.18 | jameswf-home | they are called Trademarks. they ensure the names arent used inappropriately |
| 19:33.40 | d-tech | disarmed=police-state |
| 19:33.44 | ManxPower | UnixDog: Imagine a world where Microsoft could release Miscorosft Asterisk 1.0 |
| 19:34.07 | tzafrir | jameswf-home, the point is: compare the trademark usage guidelines of Linux and Debian those of Mozilla and Asterisk |
| 19:34.17 | ManxPower | d-tech: also a very American view. Do you consider England a police state? |
| 19:34.22 | UnixDog | well being its opensource they have the right to branch it |
| 19:34.25 | UnixDog | I thought |
| 19:34.28 | ManxPower | How about most of the countries in Europe? |
| 19:34.41 | ManxPower | UnixDog: I never said it WAS Asterisk, just that they CALL it Asterisk. |
| 19:35.07 | jameswf-home | you can fork but a frk usualy involves a name change |
| 19:35.24 | jameswf-home | you should know this didnt you fork with that bsd crap |
| 19:35.26 | ManxPower | I suspect that owning a couple of handguns will not protect you from the United States Military if they decide to take you out. |
| 19:35.28 | Nivex | go read up on the firefox/iceweasel debate |
| 19:35.30 | jameswf-home | troll |
| 19:35.54 | UnixDog | I can understand the Trademark |
| 19:36.07 | UnixDog | band the name change if you branch |
| 19:36.12 | tzafrir | Nivex, and you told that to? |
| 19:36.18 | Nivex | tzafrir: UnixDog |
| 19:36.18 | ManxPower | UnixDog: It's just the WORDS that are not "open source". I think most people would agree that Digium has the right to control how the name "Digium" and "Asterisk" are used. |
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| 19:36.29 | jameswf-home | UnixDog: Whats your point, do you have one or are you just trying to stir up crap |
| 19:37.01 | UnixDog | no I just read it. and whatend more indepth info about it |
| 19:37.07 | UnixDog | and why they did this |
| 19:38.33 | jameswf-home | I am sure the digium employees that are here do not control policy... |
| 19:38.33 | d-tech | ManxPower: Yes ... The mother of Police States, in fact! |
| 19:38.33 | ManxPower | I'm really starting to get angry at Mandriva |
| 19:38.33 | ManxPower | d-tech: And Canada, of course too. |
| 19:38.34 | jameswf-home | mandrakiva :) |
| 19:38.46 | tzafrir | UnixDog, have you read their trademark usage guidelines. It's stated clearly in their site |
| 19:38.51 | tzafrir | Nothing secret |
| 19:38.57 | d-tech | yes ... soon to me part of the NAU |
| 19:39.09 | d-tech | me=be |
| 19:39.22 | mvanbaak | tzafrir: http://michiel.vanbaak.info/log/covidevm_setup-0.1.tar.gz |
| 19:39.23 | mvanbaak | ;) |
| 19:40.50 | ManxPower | d-tech: So basically any country other than the USA is a police state? |
| 19:41.13 | d-tech | did I say the USA wasn't a police state? |
| 19:41.27 | ManxPower | But you can own guns in the USA? |
| 19:41.51 | mvanbaak | yeah, that's why all them terrorists go there |
| 19:42.46 | d-tech | you can everywhere ... no more or less than the USA?! The question becomes, "Are you willing to take the personal responsiblity of carrying a firearm?" |
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| 19:44.23 | wwalker | I thought I had seen dtmf tones as part of the sounds in asterisk. Are they there? |
| 19:44.31 | ManxPower | wwalker: no. |
| 19:44.52 | d-tech | anyone here have a live ccm system ... I need a created file? |
| 19:45.01 | ManxPower | DTMF audio only works on ulaw or alaw and then only if you have a good connection |
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| 19:46.03 | d-tech | actually it's in the tftp-root ... but created by ccm <grin> |
| 19:46.38 | d-tech | LdapDialingRules.xml |
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| 19:49.34 | d-tech | ... was that a pin I heard hit the floor? ... |
| 19:55.33 | ManxPower | I'm writing nasty e-mails to Mandriva so can't entertain you. |
| 19:57.17 | UnixDog | VOIP-Users-Conference@googlegroups.com just read this and understand more now |
| 19:57.22 | UnixDog | just got it in a email |
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| 19:59.21 | UnixDog | it cleared alot up |
| 20:00.03 | jameswf-home | California is a police state |
| 20:00.41 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, just wait till Dubbya declares martial law... |
| 20:02.36 | jameswf-home | he can do as he wishes I have a ccw and live in a state where firearm registration is not required |
| 20:03.03 | ManxPower | jameswf-home: Good for you! You can have a gun in your hand when the military cuts you down. |
| 20:03.34 | jameswf-home | yes but I have the option to die fighting I am not required to lie down and just take it |
| 20:03.45 | ManxPower | I suppose it will squish as much as the rest of you as the tank rolls over your lifeless body. |
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| 20:04.34 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, Ummm.. martial law soon bends to "Oh and guns are now illegal. And dissent in word or action prohibited." |
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| 20:05.07 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, TSA + DHS + RealID = police state. |
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| 20:05.41 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, MSM is already picking the next president and they will likely be owned lock, stock & barrel. |
| 20:06.03 | jameswf-home | I am not sure why people are all worked up this is nothing new. the crap has been happening for years and is being aposed by both partied |
| 20:06.07 | jameswf-home | *parties |
| 20:06.28 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, and like Dr. Phil says "hows that working out for you?" |
| 20:06.37 | jameswf-home | imposed not aposed |
| 20:07.13 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, And so far only my 4th place pick for 2009 has a real chance... |
| 20:07.16 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: my europe trip a few years ago was to look for places to live. all of them had their drawbacks. |
| 20:07.35 | jameswf-home | Party politics have created the nation we live in and it didnt happen over night or in the last 8 years |
| 20:07.57 | angryuser | ManxPower: have you been in france? |
| 20:08.18 | jameswf-home | America is due for a little revolution anyway |
| 20:08.37 | jameswf-home | every couple hundred years |
| 20:08.46 | ManxPower | angryuser: only for a few hours passing thru. |
| 20:09.11 | d-tech | freedom is NOT free |
| 20:09.12 | angryuser | ameswf-home:i lire how it is resumed in south park movie ;) |
| 20:09.18 | ManxPower | belgium and netherlands had the culture I liked the most. It was the weather that sucked.; |
| 20:09.21 | angryuser | like* |
| 20:10.01 | lotho | ManxPower: what was bad on the weather? |
| 20:10.21 | ManxPower | lotho: It was much colder than I expected and much colder than I like. |
| 20:10.42 | ManxPower | It was colder than the town I grew up in -- Holland, MI 8-) |
| 20:11.03 | lotho | ManxPower: then wait 10 years, its getting hotter ;) |
| 20:11.04 | d-tech | however, if you WANT a nanny government, sit back, and become a member of the collective. |
| 20:11.22 | lotho | but then the netherlands could be gone :) |
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| 20:13.06 | angryuser | [TK]D-Fender: why such a hate in paris? |
| 20:13.09 | roe_ | is there a media converter to from serial t-1 to rj48? or do I need to change my t-1 card based on the connection type the phone company gives me? |
| 20:13.23 | [TK]D-Fender | angryuser, not hate... just too.... meh. |
| 20:13.24 | lotho | ManxPower: did you stay in germany? |
| 20:14.19 | [TK]D-Fender | angryuser, maybe Nice or Lyons.... |
| 20:14.23 | ManxPower | lotho: After the dike break in the 1950s (1953?) the govt makes sure they are not going to break. 2.5% of the population of the country died |
| 20:15.09 | ManxPower | lotho: I was in Stockholm Sweden, Antwerp Belgium, Delft Netherlands, Amsterdam Netherlands, Eindhoven Netherlands, Madrid Spain. |
| 20:15.25 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, and the Tragically Hip sang "New Orleans is sinking, and I don't wanna swim" over a decade in warning... |
| 20:15.43 | ManxPower | roe_: "serial t-1" is not a conector type. |
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| 20:16.13 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: New orleans would have been fine if the levies had not broken and the levies are supposed to be taken care of by the army core of engineers |
| 20:16.54 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, They were probably pre-occupied with MN's highway collapse :) |
| 20:17.06 | roe_ | ManxPower, I do not know the name of the connector, but I do know that the before rj-48 there was a large serial connector used to connect a t-1 line |
| 20:17.12 | jameswf-home | Anyone who lives near a body of water in a place below sea level gts what they get |
| 20:17.22 | d-tech | yep |
| 20:17.26 | angryuser | [TK]D-Fender: i dont really like paris, i heard 3 chineese tourist each year are shocked by the difference what is paris in reality, and romantic image in their heads ;) so they pass some psyhoterapie ;) |
| 20:17.27 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: There were lawsuits already happending because the levies were already leaking. |
| 20:18.06 | ManxPower | roe_: A CSU/DSU will convert from V.35 to DSX-1, but the line comes FROM the telco as a DSX-1 |
| 20:18.23 | d-tech | and what are they doing now .... moving BACK into the low-ground??! |
| 20:19.02 | ManxPower | d-tech: some are, most are not as they were the poor and basically can't afford to come back |
| 20:19.39 | ManxPower | not many of the rich and middle class people lost houses (compared to the poor) -- with some exceptions |
| 20:20.14 | d-tech | no one SHOULD ... let the ocean claim it's space and use the federal funds to build something ABOVE sea-level!?!? |
| 20:20.25 | jameswf-home | If you live in the tornado belt and your trailer fly's away not my problem, if you live in a flood plain and your house is swept away by water not my problem, if you live in the forest and your house goes up in a forest fire not my problem, serious |
| 20:20.25 | ManxPower | d-tech: what federal funds? |
| 20:20.58 | ManxPower | jameswf-home: but is it your problem is the problem could have been prevented if the govt had done what they said they had done? |
| 20:21.29 | d-tech | about 17 programs currently ... why? |
| 20:21.40 | ManxPower | d-tech: not much of it is getting to the people. |
| 20:21.41 | jameswf-home | It could have been prevented by the morons moving |
| 20:21.46 | ManxPower | That is SLOWLY changing. |
| 20:22.06 | ManxPower | jameswf-home: they were told by the govt that the levies were safe and they lived in an area safe from flooding. |
| 20:22.16 | d-tech | it's rebuilding funds ... not people funds |
| 20:22.33 | ManxPower | sorry, I forgot people rebuild for free. |
| 20:23.05 | roe_ | ManxPower, cisco sells "1-Port Serial WAN Interface Card" for their routers. do t-1s provisioned for voice not come in this interface? |
| 20:23.09 | ManxPower | BTW, there are many square miles of the city that are abandoned. |
| 20:23.12 | jameswf-home | ok lets do the math... below sea level next to the ocean.... 2+2 is 4 even if the government says 6 |
| 20:23.27 | d-tech | the funds are to rebuild the damaged areas .... not to feed, clothe and pat existing debts!! |
| 20:23.35 | d-tech | pat=pay |
| 20:23.53 | ManxPower | roe_: T-1s come from the telco in the USA as a DXS-1 interface on a device called a "smart jack". If you are not getting it in that form then there is some form of equipment between you and the real telco jack. |
| 20:24.20 | ManxPower | d-tech: I never said the money was used to "feed, clothe and pat existing debts!!" |
| 20:24.53 | d-tech | <ManxPower> sorry, I forgot people rebuild for free. |
| 20:25.07 | d-tech | you indicated the people should get money? |
| 20:25.24 | roe_ | ManxPower, for my t-1 provisioned for data, I am definitely getting it the serial form. |
| 20:25.26 | jameswf-home | you should not get paid for being stupid |
| 20:25.38 | d-tech | or poor |
| 20:25.43 | d-tech | or lazy |
| 20:25.53 | d-tech | or worse ... both |
| 20:25.57 | ManxPower | roe_: then call your telco and complain |
| 20:26.23 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, "insert any GWB reference here" <- |
| 20:26.35 | ManxPower | d-tech: get money to rebuild, the levies to upgrade, the roads to be repaired |
| 20:26.46 | d-tech | but they do ... the members of the US minion |
| 20:27.03 | ManxPower | roe_: chances are they are trying to connect you to a CSU/DSU |
| 20:27.11 | d-tech | ManxPower: yes? |
| 20:27.12 | roe_ | ManxPower, I may just do that |
| 20:27.35 | ManxPower | Heck, even money to pay the city hall employees that do the building permits. They have a SIX MONTH backlog. |
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| 20:28.07 | d-tech | yes, correct ... It did NOT end the existing coruption! |
| 20:28.08 | jameswf-home | whatever happened to natural selection..... why arent stupid people free to be stupid and live with their choices without federal aid |
| 20:28.44 | d-tech | because they ENABLE the federal engine! |
| 20:28.56 | ManxPower | The primary cause of the flooding in New Orleans is because the levies broke. |
| 20:29.04 | ManxPower | I spend about 1/3 of my time in New Orleans, BTW. |
| 20:29.33 | d-tech | The primary cause of the flooding in New Orleans is because: Man thinks he can control nature! |
| 20:30.02 | ManxPower | Now, do you think you should be entitled to money or assistance from the federal government if your car is on the MN bridge that collapsed. That was also supposed to be safe. |
| 20:30.04 | [TK]D-Fender | d-tech, Denial.... its not jsut a river in Egypt you know ;) |
| 20:30.30 | d-tech | Man 'thinks' he can control everything ... erogant bastards! |
| 20:31.09 | jameswf-home | strike down the man.... |
| 20:31.11 | angryuser | jameswf-home: who wil determine who is stupid? me, you? be carefull maybe in 20 years youngest people will consider me and you retarded, what i want to say, nobody is protected from doing errors |
| 20:31.12 | ManxPower | I DO agree with you that people living in flood prone areas outside the levee system should not be bailed out by the govt. |
| 20:31.46 | ManxPower | I lived TWO miles inland in Missisisppi and the building I lived in had almost a meter (2.5 ft) of flooding. |
| 20:32.36 | tzafrir | d-tech, careful. there are some dutch in this channel |
| 20:32.37 | ManxPower | Granted the people that closer to the ocean got 30ft of flooding. |
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| 20:33.16 | jblack | Don't make standards, because flaws are inevitable? |
| 20:33.33 | ManxPower | tzafrir: they actually asked the Dutch to come over and make recommendations for the New Orleans levee system. They did and the govt said "that's all too expensive" and ignored most of their recommendations. |
| 20:33.47 | jameswf-home | My grandfather , uncle, aunt, and mom all have gotten cancer.... when I am 40 and get cancer I am not going to say holy crap how did that happen because I expect it. If you live in a flood plain you should expect water damage. If you live in the forest expect a fire if you live in tornado alley expect wind, its not that hard |
| 20:34.01 | d-tech | orleans was NOT always below sea-level ... I understand ... it happened gradually and had to be dealt with ... but Katrina was the PERFECT excuse to 'do the right thing' and move orleans to higher ground ... but like everything in America, the fat-cats saw yet another opportunity to rape the people |
| 20:34.20 | ManxPower | d-tech: You are incorrect for the most part. |
| 20:34.36 | d-tech | huh? |
| 20:34.37 | angryuser | jameswf-home: what can you do againt tornado ;) dig a hole? |
| 20:34.42 | jameswf-home | move |
| 20:34.48 | ManxPower | d-tech: no, something like 1/3 of the goods and services transported in the USa travel thru New Orleans. |
| 20:35.10 | jameswf-home | actualu from my understnding domes hold up well in tornados |
| 20:35.12 | jblack | jameswf-home: Which part of the country is immune to natural disasters? |
| 20:35.47 | jameswf-home | We dont have natural desasters really here in Arizona, flooding maybe but if your on high ground no issue |
| 20:35.50 | jblack | Where can one go to avoid floods, hurricanes, floods, droughts and tornadoes? |
| 20:35.51 | ManxPower | d-tech: It is true that New Orleans is slowly sinking. The areas the flooded were reclaimed swampland (like much of florida, actually) and protected by levees. The areas that did not flood are older areas of the city. |
| 20:36.14 | angryuser | jblack: Earth orbit |
| 20:36.19 | jblack | gamma rays. |
| 20:36.31 | d-tech | ManxPower: so what are you saying ... the law of nature requires 'that' port to stay in 'that' exact location?? thats is simply asinine |
| 20:36.37 | angryuser | jblack: i will double isolation ;) |
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| 20:37.01 | jblack | My simple point is that there is no safe place to live that is devoid of risk. Risk can't be avoided in life. |
| 20:37.03 | ManxPower | d-tech: Well unless you want to excavate part of the mississippi and move the port upriver to Baton Rouge -- yes. |
| 20:37.08 | jameswf-home | people woll probably whine when california falls in to the ocean and we will be like dude its been forcasted for 60 years |
| 20:37.42 | d-tech | huh .. what does Baton Rouge have to do with shipping? |
| 20:38.01 | [TK]D-Fender | jameswf-home, but the value of that ocean-side propery I bought in Nevada will come to fruition! |
| 20:38.16 | ManxPower | I suspect the population of New Orleans will stabilize at about %60 of it's pre-Katrina level. Much of the damaged areas will be bulldozed and turned into parks. |
| 20:38.23 | jameswf-home | Yeah I have future ocean front property :) |
| 20:38.41 | jblack | And I think you're being unduly harsh with new orleans citizens. Most of the people that could leave there did leave. Most of the ones left didn't even have a car. |
| 20:38.43 | ManxPower | d-tech: The mississippi river goes right thru Baton Rouge, but it's not even CLOSE enough for the big ocean cargo ships. |
| 20:39.05 | ManxPower | ...er not even close to deep enough.... |
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| 20:39.32 | jameswf-home | missississississippi weeeeeeeeee |
| 20:39.38 | ManxPower | jameswf-home: The leves were built to get people to move to the areas that used to be swamp. I can't fault them for believing they were protected. |
| 20:39.50 | jblack | Why did you think that nearly everyone at the convention center was black? Because they wanted to practice swimming? |
| 20:39.54 | d-tech | and 'why' do "big ocean cargo ships" need to even go UP the river .... oceanside ports ARE a reality in today's world! |
| 20:40.00 | jameswf-home | Isnt there an oldjoke about buying swamp land |
| 20:40.09 | ManxPower | jblack: because in New Orleans there are not many poor white people. |
| 20:40.16 | jblack | Yup |
| 20:40.28 | ManxPower | Poor white people live in trailers in the rural areas. |
| 20:40.38 | ManxPower | poor black people live in cities. |
| 20:40.48 | jameswf-home | put pontoons on your trailer and poof safe |
| 20:40.59 | ManxPower | Probably because if they moved into trailers in the country the poor white people would beat them up. |
| 20:41.19 | d-tech | you need a license for a house-boat <grin> |
| 20:41.25 | jblack | The poor can't afford to move, so they end up in the same places their family was born. |
| 20:41.43 | ManxPower | I've lived in poor black areas -- it's not like people think. |
| 20:42.02 | jblack | I've lived in poor black areas penty too. |
| 20:42.16 | ManxPower | When I moved out one neighbor shouted to another "Hey! The white guy is moving out!" |
| 20:42.24 | jblack | That's why I know it's silly to say "Those dumb asses should have left". |
| 20:42.52 | jameswf-home | how about that oslec lol |
| 20:42.53 | mvanbaak | ./window close |
| 20:43.00 | d-tech | 93% of america is 'poor white areas', 'poor black areas' or 'poor hispanic areas' |
| 20:43.02 | ManxPower | Since most of the poor did not return to New Orleans there is a MAJOR problem with getting workers for low end jobs. |
| 20:43.18 | jblack | ManxPower: They couldn't afford to move out. What makes you think they could afford to move back in? |
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| 20:43.30 | ManxPower | Heck, Burger King was offering $10,000 bonus for completing a 3 year employment contract -- as a dishwasher. |
| 20:43.38 | ManxPower | McDonalds was offering $12.50/hr |
| 20:43.40 | jameswf-home | Arizona is a province of mexico so we have labor for low end jobs |
| 20:43.46 | d-tech | and the demise of the dollar is increasing that percentage daily |
| 20:43.54 | jblack | ManxPower: Have you ever been poor? I Don't mean broke, but out and out "how will I feed my kid tonight" poor ? |
| 20:44.13 | mvanbaak | that's why I dont make kids |
| 20:44.36 | ManxPower | jblack: I was smart enough to not have kids, but no, not really. Been poor enough to not have enough food to eat -- but only for short amounts of time and not often. |
| 20:44.38 | jameswf-home | kids : organic labor saving devices |
| 20:44.38 | mvanbaak | I think ppl who whine about not being able to feed their kids should think better before getting one |
| 20:44.44 | d-tech | McDonald's will soon be offering $100/hr ... the american dollar can't even be given away |
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| 20:45.12 | jblack | ManxPower: Great. Find somebody in a poor area that can't even afford basic clothing. Buy them said clothing, dishwashing detergent, help them travel to area at the job, and give them what they need to get started at the job. |
| 20:45.14 | mvanbaak | if you cant afford kids, you should not be having them |
| 20:45.17 | ManxPower | d-tech: they will once they send all the illegal immigrants home. Produce and food will also be $100 for a pound of tomatos. |
| 20:45.38 | jameswf-home | I predict an infomercial coming.... BUY GOLD secure your future |
| 20:46.26 | d-tech | Manxpower: HEY ... we actually aggree on something !!! |
| 20:46.29 | ManxPower | jblack: All that is great, but like most problems it's not that simple. Bad education in poor areas makes it much harder to get out. |
| 20:46.42 | ManxPower | d-tech: Impossible. |
| 20:46.50 | d-tech | really! |
| 20:47.01 | jblack | manxpower: I absolutely agree. There's a nasty, nasty feedback loop that families get trapped in. |
| 20:47.15 | jameswf-home | poor is no excuse for being under educated.... I grew up poor there was a place called a library where books are free |
| 20:48.00 | jameswf-home | if you are under educated you are just lazy |
| 20:48.17 | jblack | How old are you, to still be thinking that? |
| 20:48.31 | ManxPower | I've been fairly lucky. I come from a poor, but not living in poverty family, I'm smart, I'm male, I'm white. Of course, I also have crossed eyes, bad skin ADD, and am gay. |
| 20:48.39 | jblack | Are mommie and daddie still paying for your college? |
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| 20:48.56 | jameswf-home | I was so with you up to the gay part lol |
| 20:49.16 | ManxPower | jameswf-home: Part of the problem with being poor is that you spend SO much of your time trying to survive that you don't have a lot of time to better yourself. |
| 20:49.29 | jblack | jameswf-home: Have you ever been inside the library in a poor district? |
| 20:49.55 | jameswf-home | jblack: its called a job I paid for my schooling, I was not to good to work at mcdonalds, a little work ethic goes a long way reguardless of wage |
| 20:50.08 | ManxPower | jameswf-home: the ADD doesn't help either. 8-) |
| 20:50.14 | jameswf-home | jblack go for a walk |
| 20:50.20 | jblack | I think I should. |
| 20:50.24 | jameswf-home | pay a quarter take a bus |
| 20:50.43 | angryuser | you should be changing a channel |
| 20:50.43 | jblack | Enjoy the talk all. |
| 20:51.18 | jameswf-home | as ia said lazy... if people put the effort they use to make excuses and put that foreward to fixing their problems they would actualy fix them |
| 20:52.01 | angryuser | jameswf-home: please stop it is * channel here, and i think you wont prove anything to anyone here |
| 20:52.30 | angryuser | we tal voip and all this stuff here |
| 20:52.55 | jameswf-home | angryuser: in the linux world * means match all :) |
| 20:53.18 | jameswf-home | kingd of hard to narow a glob |
| 20:54.04 | jameswf-home | I need to get rid of this korean keyboard hard to type |
| 20:54.24 | ManxPower | My last comment. Yes, hard work counts for much, but there are many other factors involved that work against that. |
| 20:55.43 | jameswf-home | damn go on topic the room gets all quiet |
| 20:55.50 | jameswf-home | lol |
| 20:56.33 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, I was ADD+ADHD and ended up just fine. I was one of the earlier case studies for Ritalin here... |
| 20:57.40 | [TK]D-Fender | oh and as a general note to society : Ritalin and al other methods of "controlling" people = BS. Psychology > psychiatry. |
| 20:59.09 | angryuser | to change topi would you like te heard a nice * succes story? |
| 20:59.41 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: I've not been on any meds for it since my late teesn |
| 21:00.28 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, I stopped pretty early on. I dogded them, him them, and whatever else. They tasted like crap. I grew past my "conditions". |
| 21:00.38 | jameswf-home | Fashion on ice how cool is that |
| 21:01.07 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: I still find it limits me and have considered trying some of the meds. |
| 21:01.31 | ManxPower | anyway, I'm outta here |
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| 21:04.07 | jameswf-home | Some one needs to get Frek back in here |
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| 21:05.53 | angryuser | i take it as yes;) i did a small install for one firm 20 ppl, working like a charm, here in france we have a a commerce chamber in each sity which help to develop economy, it is a gouverment establishment, i dont know how but they heard about it, so they got tired to pay 5000€ month/telco bills, so they came, and will change their system to * end ;) |
| 21:06.54 | jameswf-home | Mexico is also moving alot to asterisk |
| 21:08.08 | jameswf-home | we have been opening alot of business in south america in general |
| 21:08.55 | angryuser | their last push was the fact that someone called Canada for hour, and they were unable to know who it was ;) |
| 21:09.19 | jameswf-home | BLAME canada |
| 21:09.45 | jameswf-home | *musical |
| 21:10.10 | angryuser | i was talking about price it was something line 150€ fot that call |
| 21:10.16 | angryuser | like* |
| 21:10.43 | jameswf-home | would have been free with vonage :) |
| 21:12.21 | angryuser | a lot of gov establishement dont really care, they pay. |
| 21:15.18 | angryuser | any ppl from misdn team here? |
| 21:17.04 | darius_ | Anyone know if there is any debugging level stuff for realtime asterisk? I enabled debugging but it's not providing any detail about the database interaction |
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| 21:19.08 | jameswf-home | set verbose 99999 set debug 999999 |
| 21:19.14 | jameswf-home | ^core |
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| 21:20.55 | rhombus | I can't get my Polycom 501 to work across NAT. Heard that one before? ;) |
| 21:21.25 | rhombus | I have two Aastra phones working fine to a different server with the same configuration. |
| 21:21.43 | darius_ | jameswf-home: I still see nothing for the database :/ |
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| 21:55.00 | mamep | [Jan 20 23:54:13] WARNING[15562]: app_meetme.c:772 build_conf: Unable to open pseudo device |
| 21:55.05 | mamep | i get this error.. |
| 21:55.11 | mamep | anyone is familiar with this? |
| 21:55.35 | [TK]D-Fender | mamep : probably for lack of a zaptel timing source. |
| 21:55.37 | HowdyDoody | How do I list my CDR to see last 50 calls recorded ? |
| 21:55.52 | mamep | [TK]D-Fender : how can i fix that? |
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| 21:56.02 | [TK]D-Fender | mamep, INSTALL ONE. |
| 21:56.05 | red23111 | I have a problem in that: whenever i use the dial() cmd for calling out out, the original caller to the system does not hear the ring tone. |
| 21:56.26 | [TK]D-Fender | HowdyDoody, "man tail" |
| 21:56.35 | jameswf-home | you can parse the csv or if you put it to mysql just do a query |
| 21:56.43 | mamep | what to install? |
| 21:56.51 | [TK]D-Fender | mamep, Zaptel obviously. |
| 21:56.53 | jameswf-home | man tail sounds dirty |
| 21:57.27 | mamep | installed it from source |
| 21:57.31 | red23111 | in essence, callers first hear a greeting, and are then forwarded to my cell phone using the dial command. However, while my cell phone rings, the caller does not hear a ringing tone. |
| 21:57.38 | mamep | otherwise meetme won't work |
| 21:57.41 | red23111 | anyone can help? |
| 21:58.05 | [TK]D-Fender | mamep, you need a timer installed properly, initialized, and * recompiled afterwards from scratch to pick it up. |
| 21:58.24 | mamep | any guide how to d it? |
| 21:58.32 | [TK]D-Fender | `BOOK |
| 21:58.36 | [TK]D-Fender | ~BOOK |
| 21:58.36 | jbot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 21:59.19 | jameswf-home | ~rtfm | mamep |
| 21:59.20 | jbot | ACTION tosses | mamep a 50lb unix manual |
| 22:00.18 | red23111 | is there a bug with dial() ringing??? |
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| 22:03.18 | jameswf-home | ~bug |
| 22:03.18 | jbot | somebody said bug was n: A son of a glitch. An error in design or programming in hardware or software. Effects range from cosmetic errors to system crash and loss of data. See also Feature. |
| 22:04.52 | jameswf-home | dial does not provide ringback its an fxo function ringback is an fxs function |
| 22:08.26 | HowdyDoody | tail Master.csv gives over three wrapped lines of data for each record. Too messy. mysql seems to not be included in asterisk basic install. Is there a crude query builtin to asterisk ? My CF disk is nearly full, no room for more installs. |
| 22:09.52 | jblack | howdodoody: settle down a sec. |
| 22:09.53 | defsdoor | anyone recommend a 24 port POE switch (all ports) |
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| 22:10.25 | jblack | HowdyDoody: Look at the libtext-csv-perl module. |
| 22:10.50 | jblack | HowdyDoody: It's really easy to write a script to take and print out just what you want. |
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| 22:11.17 | jblack | Here's an example of my calls script: |
| 22:11.29 | jblack | 01-20 16:34 5s|@internal|<1013> "Blackwells" > 0393514 |
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| 22:15.45 | jblack | HowdyDoody: So you do have some choices. Find the csv modules for what services/laugages you do have, and you can parse the csv |
| 22:30.32 | jameswf-home | building 1.6 lets see what's new |
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| 22:31.10 | kamanashisroy | is there any dialplan application that takes dtmf input other than background ? |
| 22:31.22 | kamanashisroy | sorry for the silly question .. |
| 22:31.26 | HowdyDoody | jblack, thanks - got some studying I just limited my calls via the dial() command. I have a foster teen girl. |
| 22:31.27 | [TK]D-Fender | defsdoor, D-Link DES-1128P |
| 22:31.33 | lmadsen | kamanashisroy: Read() |
| 22:31.35 | mvanbaak | kamanashisroy: read |
| 22:31.36 | jblack | I figure it's as simple as changing "exten => s,n,Dial(IAX2/callwithus/${ARG1},60,WK)" to "exten => s,n,Dial(IAX2/callwithus/${ARG1},60,WKL(3600000,300000)) |
| 22:31.45 | defsdoor | [TK]D-Fender: yeah - I've just been doing some price searches on those |
| 22:31.57 | defsdoor | just pricing up an order I got on Friday |
| 22:32.56 | defsdoor | I can get the netgear FS728TP for a little less |
| 22:33.04 | defsdoor | which is surprising |
| 22:33.24 | [TK]D-Fender | defsdoor, how much? |
| 22:33.31 | defsdoor | 243.52+VAT |
| 22:33.41 | kamanashisroy | lmadsen: mvanbaak: thank you nice .. |
| 22:34.11 | [TK]D-Fender | defsdoor, ah... UK pricing... ok, happy hunting and be sure the netgear is PoE on ALL ports.. most of them aren't |
| 22:34.24 | defsdoor | [TK]D-Fender: the 728TP is |
| 22:34.32 | defsdoor | it's the 726 that are only on 12 |
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| 22:35.40 | red23111 | is asterisk addon needed for realtime mysql? |
| 22:35.46 | jblack | Someone help. I need new * crack. Whats another neat thing I can do? |
| 22:36.10 | defsdoor | jblack: install it for profit ;) |
| 22:36.34 | defsdoor | jblack: nothing more rewarding than replacing a proprietary pos |
| 22:36.46 | jblack | In this city? Know what the most common os out here is? WindowsME. |
| 22:36.49 | jameswf-home | jblack create a hybred hosed solution |
| 22:37.06 | jameswf-home | *hosted |
| 22:37.29 | jblack | hybrid hosted solution... Well, that has enough buzzwords. |
| 22:37.42 | defsdoor | we recently had a LG system installed at work - by our parent company - they charged us 9k for it - thats apparently at cost |
| 22:37.56 | defsdoor | and it's the most useless pile of junk |
| 22:38.14 | defsdoor | I asked for music on hold - they sent me a cd player |
| 22:38.29 | defsdoor | I asked for call logging - they sent me a serial cable to stick into a pc |
| 22:38.42 | jblack | Oh, mark spencer thinks the hybrid-hosted model is "very evil"... at least when it's proprietary. |
| 22:39.01 | jblack | defsdoor: Surely you jest? |
| 22:39.06 | defsdoor | jblack: nope |
| 22:39.13 | hmmhesays | so I'm having some trouble sending instant messages to my polycom |
| 22:39.14 | defsdoor | and they sell these system on 7 years leases |
| 22:39.15 | mvanbaak | meh |
| 22:39.26 | defsdoor | who would really want this pos for the next 7 years |
| 22:39.29 | jblack | They really sent you a cdplayer and an audio cable? |
| 22:39.34 | mvanbaak | just found out all browsers support .gz files |
| 22:39.35 | defsdoor | jblack: yes |
| 22:39.44 | defsdoor | jblack: I sent it back - told them to get real |
| 22:40.11 | jblack | I wonder what they would have done if you had for queues.. Sent you a small indian city? |
| 22:40.54 | jblack | 'you can feed each of these guys for about the price of a cup of coffee a day. We can send more to you via usps if you get busier' |
| 22:40.56 | defsdoor | jblack: I asked if I could install asterisk but their business is phone systems |
| 22:41.11 | defsdoor | jblack: (actually their business is extortion :) ) |
| 22:41.13 | *** part/#asterisk kamanashisroy (n=root@202.56.7.142) |
| 22:41.46 | jblack | oh, I know what i can do! |
| 22:42.06 | jblack | I can setup a 976 chat line. Not only will I solve the "noone to talk to" problem, but I'll get paid for it too! |
| 22:42.07 | defsdoor | right - what is an ok spec pc for a 20 extension system with 6 analog lines and hardware echo canc ? |
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| 22:42.42 | jameswf-home | A&E has a show called parking wars it is awesome |
| 22:42.57 | jblack | Ok. here's something I'd like to do.... |
| 22:43.10 | jblack | I'd like to be able to initialize 3 way calling via a dialplan... |
| 22:44.13 | jblack | Oh, I know how to do that. never mind. |
| 22:44.48 | jblack | I lied. No I don't. |
| 22:47.19 | defsdoor | feck - dell have silly offer on PE840 atm |
| 22:48.27 | defsdoor | 2.2ghz Core 2 duo 1GB RAM 2*250GB HD - 216.20 :o |
| 22:49.17 | jameswf-home | at the end of make install on 1.6 it says Warninr Warning Warning then nothing |
| 22:49.38 | jblack | That must have creeped you out |
| 22:49.49 | jblack | Did you look behind your shoulder for a guy with a knife? |
| 22:50.44 | jameswf-home | lol they should move the big disclaimer to the bottom |
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| 23:00.11 | mvanbaak | jameswf-home: can you pastebin the output of your make ? |
| 23:01.03 | jameswf-home | I could but I just threw it in to the bug system as a text modification... I am just being anal |
| 23:01.05 | jameswf-home | :) |
| 23:01.18 | mvanbaak | yeah |
| 23:01.22 | mvanbaak | but here it works fine |
| 23:01.57 | jameswf-home | no its the way the file is written it doesnt affect the build |
| 23:02.10 | mvanbaak | uhhuh |
| 23:02.29 | mvanbaak | just did a 'make install' on my system where asterisk-addons is as well |
| 23:02.38 | mvanbaak | so it should output this warning |
| 23:02.41 | mvanbaak | and indeed it does |
| 23:04.41 | mvanbaak | did you have stuff in /var/lib/asterisk/modules ? or is it a clean install |
| 23:05.17 | mvanbaak | s/var/usr/ |
| 23:05.49 | mvanbaak | trying to reproduce here |
| 23:06.35 | mvanbaak | wow, compiling chan_sip did stop my laptop to respond |
| 23:06.46 | mvanbaak | core2duo 2ghz with 4GB ram |
| 23:06.51 | jameswf-home | It is a text modification not a bug |
| 23:07.04 | jameswf-home | its ok |
| 23:07.06 | jameswf-home | geez |
| 23:07.26 | mvanbaak | it was taking up all memory |
| 23:08.43 | mvanbaak | now it runs smoother :) |
| 23:08.52 | jameswf-home | well yeah |
| 23:09.25 | jameswf-home | my laptop has a gig of ram and an amd 64 dual core and I maybe do 2 VM's |
| 23:11.01 | mvanbaak | hhmm |
| 23:11.09 | mvanbaak | I cant see what you mean with that ticket |
| 23:11.58 | file | if you have a lot of old files in there (aka another install) then the warning at the top of it detailing what is up won't be displayed, since the list is so long |
| 23:11.58 | mvanbaak | http://pastebin.ca/866840 |
| 23:12.06 | file | depending on your terminal and such |
| 23:12.21 | mvanbaak | ah |
| 23:12.40 | jameswf-home | depending on the number of modules installed. the message will simply scroll by and not be seen it should appear at the end |
| 23:13.03 | jameswf-home | damn i type slow |
| 23:13.05 | jameswf-home | :) |
| 23:14.13 | mamep | hey i get too much errors : Maximum retries exceeded on transmission |
| 23:14.16 | mamep | with spa941 |
| 23:14.20 | mamep | anyone experienced? |
| 23:15.13 | mvanbaak | damn |
| 23:15.22 | mvanbaak | file uploads to bugs.digium.com are SLOW |
| 23:15.32 | mvanbaak | 594 bytes |
| 23:15.32 | hmmhesays | sounds like you are trying to dial an endpoint that isn't repsonding mamep |
| 23:15.37 | mvanbaak | took almost 2 minutes |
| 23:16.05 | nhuisman_work | time to test my t1 connection |
| 23:16.06 | mvanbaak | jameswf-home: patch uploaded :) |
| 23:16.09 | mamep | hmm |
| 23:16.12 | mamep | how to fix it? |
| 23:16.15 | nhuisman_work | pri i mean |
| 23:16.43 | hmmhesays | sip debug, see what is not responding |
| 23:18.37 | nhuisman_work | do you folks use any scripts to generate your tftp files for phone provisioning? |
| 23:18.56 | mvanbaak | nhuisman_work: depends on the setup |
| 23:19.17 | mvanbaak | if it's just a couple of phones, I simply copy it |
| 23:19.24 | nhuisman_work | it's maybe 55-60 |
| 23:19.39 | mvanbaak | if it's an install where the company can change their stuff themselves, I use a script to generate them from database |
| 23:19.53 | nhuisman_work | probably not, probably going to be me |
| 23:20.02 | mvanbaak | if it's an install bigger then 5 without the company being able to change it, I generate them with a script one time |
| 23:22.03 | mvanbaak | file: patch is there :) |
| 23:23.49 | lmadsen | hey hey |
| 23:23.59 | jblack | hi |
| 23:24.02 | mvanbaak | hey lmadsen |
| 23:24.06 | lmadsen | how goes? |
| 23:24.12 | jblack | slowly |
| 23:24.22 | jblack | You? |
| 23:24.23 | mvanbaak | having my last smoke of today |
| 23:24.27 | mvanbaak | close to going to bed |
| 23:24.50 | mvanbaak | and I'm totally happy with the new adaptive odbc cdr |
| 23:24.57 | mvanbaak | gowd, this thing is awesome |
| 23:25.11 | nhuisman_work | with 1.6? |
| 23:26.01 | mvanbaak | yup |
| 23:26.10 | mvanbaak | but the trunk version is even better |
| 23:26.30 | mvanbaak | because there the 'filter' keyword does not has to be a column in your cdr table |
| 23:27.10 | mvanbaak | oh wait |
| 23:27.22 | mvanbaak | nhuisman_work: yeah, the one in 1.6-beta1 has all the good stuff |
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| 23:30.44 | jameswf-home | this parking war show is like crack lol |
| 23:31.31 | nhuisman_work | oh god |
| 23:31.38 | nhuisman_work | i watched an episode of it |
| 23:31.50 | nhuisman_work | not sure i want to watch another :P |
| 23:31.51 | roe_ | any opinions on switchvox? |
| 23:31.56 | nhuisman_work | man i was watching pros vs joes |
| 23:32.04 | nhuisman_work | they had randy kotour the heavyweight ufc guy in there |
| 23:32.11 | nhuisman_work | man he was throwing those clowns around like toys |
| 23:32.34 | nhuisman_work | no cli can be a hassle if you want to do anything custom |
| 23:32.39 | nhuisman_work | roe_ |
| 23:33.06 | nhuisman_work | you should goto switchvox though if you have specific questions |
| 23:33.09 | nhuisman_work | sorry #switchvox |
| 23:33.35 | jblack | awwwww. et:qw has an upgrade. |
| 23:33.41 | roe_ | its open source?? |
| 23:34.31 | nhuisman_work | i'm not sure all of it is yet |
| 23:34.53 | nhuisman_work | does anyone know to download the business edition versions and software from digium.com |
| 23:34.57 | nhuisman_work | i can't find the download link |
| 23:35.13 | Qwell | be.digium.com |
| 23:35.21 | nhuisman_work | ah yes, thanks |
| 23:35.35 | nhuisman_work | 1.4 base just came out |
| 23:35.41 | nhuisman_work | i think i'll swap to that if i'm just about to roll out :P |
| 23:35.45 | nhuisman_work | save myself some time |
| 23:36.18 | jblack | I hear that etqw1.4 might be crashing a lot of servers and clients. |
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| 23:42.47 | nhuisman_work | shouldn't this extensions.conf configuration allow these two phones to dial eachother : http://pastebin.com/m2147906f |
| 23:42.55 | nhuisman_work | they just get a busy signal when I dial each other |
| 23:43.07 | jblack | nhuisman_work: We'll need to see your sip.conf as well. |
| 23:43.12 | nhuisman_work | k sec i'll append it |
| 23:43.25 | jblack | and a nice verbose log |
| 23:43.50 | nhuisman_work | of the cli? |
| 23:44.02 | jblack | My bet is that your sip.conf says the phones are supposed to go into the default context. |
| 23:44.34 | mvanbaak | I'm off to bed |
| 23:44.35 | jblack | (which doesn't have the two phones. Perhaps adding into [default], include=> phones will help |
| 23:44.36 | mvanbaak | latero all |
| 23:44.48 | nhuisman_work | i do have them in the phones context |
| 23:44.55 | nhuisman_work | interesting |
| 23:45.02 | nhuisman_work | Jan 20 18:18:22 WARNING[2446] pbx.c: Unable to register extension '1000', priority 1 in 'phones', already in use |
| 23:45.04 | jblack | In your sip.conf, both phones say context=phones ? |
| 23:45.07 | nhuisman_work | maybe they really are not registering |
| 23:45.09 | nhuisman_work | yes |
| 23:45.12 | jblack | Yeah, look at line 23 |
| 23:45.18 | jblack | and compre it to line 22 |
| 23:45.20 | nhuisman_work | doh |
| 23:45.23 | nhuisman_work | it's supposed to be n |
| 23:45.27 | nhuisman_work | not 1 |
| 23:45.33 | jblack | same with 26 & 27 |
| 23:45.38 | nhuisman_work | yeah i'll try that |
| 23:46.20 | jblack | It's also possible that the phones arent using the sip contexts you think they are. If they fail to authenticate to their intended contexts, they'll fall back to anything that looks like a guest context if it exists. |
| 23:46.24 | UnixDog | so who all has started testing 1.6 ? |
| 23:46.43 | nhuisman_work | mmm sexy sauce it works |
| 23:46.51 | nhuisman_work | speaker phone feedback war! |
| 23:46.52 | jblack | Pardon? |
| 23:47.10 | nhuisman_work | the phones can call each other now |
| 23:47.19 | jblack | Great. |
| 23:47.21 | nhuisman_work | thanks |
| 23:47.21 | hmmhesays | this playing back audio based on a feature map is crazy |
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| 23:47.29 | hmmhesays | jblack and yes I'm still working on it |
| 23:47.33 | nhuisman_work | how do you mean a feature map? |
| 23:47.41 | hmmhesays | in features.conf |
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| 23:48.11 | jblack | hmmhesays: Did you do what I asked days ago, namely check to see which environment variables are being sent through? |
| 23:48.17 | hmmhesays | of course |
| 23:48.25 | jblack | cool. Which ones? |
| 23:48.46 | hmmhesays | none that help me |
| 23:49.05 | hmmhesays | its because the agi is being called outside of the core we don't have the same channel variables |
| 23:49.20 | jblack | Which. Ones. Are. |
| 23:49.23 | nhuisman_work | jus curious if anyone knows what this error means: Jan 20 18:38:25 WARNING[2733] channel.c: Avoided initial deadlock for '0x81485a0', 9 retries! |
| 23:49.33 | nhuisman_work | rather : warning. |
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| 23:49.54 | jblack | nhuisman_work: Offhand, that looks like a bug to me. |
| 23:50.25 | jblack | Well, a successful attempt to get around a bug. |
| 23:50.41 | nhuisman_work | guess i'll upgrade to abe C 1.4 before i bother trying to sort it out |
| 23:51.44 | hmmhesays | dude |
| 23:51.45 | nhuisman_work | laugh |
| 23:51.46 | hmmhesays | it is 0 here |
| 23:51.52 | nhuisman_work | guess what temp it is here |
| 23:52.05 | jblack | hmmhesays: And? |
| 23:52.14 | hmmhesays | and its freaking cold here |
| 23:52.25 | nhuisman_work | care to guess? |
| 23:52.41 | nhuisman_work | 75F ;) |
| 23:52.41 | hmmhesays | nhuisman_work: 75F |
| 23:52.46 | jblack | Ok... Well, some day, if I happen to be where you call here, then, I can decide whether or not I want a smoke badly enough to go out in 0F weather. |
| 23:52.59 | nhuisman_work | laugh |
| 23:53.02 | hmmhesays | LOL |
| 23:53.03 | jblack | Right now, though, my quandry is 22F. |
| 23:53.05 | hmmhesays | Fargo ND |
| 23:53.08 | nhuisman_work | nice google skills |
| 23:53.15 | nhuisman_work | anyways |
| 23:53.16 | hmmhesays | nhuisman_work: no google there |
| 23:53.26 | hmmhesays | that was straight out of the blue mang |
| 23:53.34 | jblack | I heard that it sometimes gets cold enough in fargo that electrons freeze. |
| 23:53.37 | hmmhesays | I gotta do a dumpchan on this agi |
| 23:53.39 | nhuisman_work | 73-76 about |
| 23:53.44 | nhuisman_work | jblack, laugh |
| 23:54.09 | hmmhesays | and drunk homeless people die |
| 23:54.09 | jblack | I can barely tolerate Northeastern PA. Most of the time it's nice, but every once in awhile, the gulf stream dips, and we get all of canada's air. |
| 23:54.21 | jblack | Speaking which... DEAR CANADA: Please lay off the beans. |
| 23:54.29 | lmadsen | ? |
| 23:54.44 | nhuisman_work | the wonderful fruit... |
| 23:54.58 | jblack | They more they eat, the more they toot. ;) |
| 23:55.18 | _ShrikE | lmadsen: you ever use that 7970 with sip? |
| 23:55.29 | lmadsen | _ShrikE: ya.. briefly |
| 23:55.39 | lmadsen | let me see if I have my configs still |
| 23:55.46 | jblack | lmadsen: Oh, nothing. Just griping that the gulf stream has made me a temporary canadian by proxy. |
| 23:55.46 | lmadsen | because it was a pain to get it to work :) |
| 23:55.58 | lmadsen | jblack: I see... welcome to Canada :) |
| 23:56.02 | _ShrikE | sweet |
| 23:56.04 | jblack | I hate it |
| 23:56.12 | _ShrikE | I cant get the damn thing to send any auth |
| 23:56.28 | lmadsen | wow my network is slow........ |
| 23:56.36 | lmadsen | crazy ass bittorrents! :) |
| 23:56.41 | _ShrikE | my experience with skinny was short but sweet |
| 23:56.48 | jblack | Take your damn, frozen, dehumidified excuse of an atmosphere back. |
| 23:57.02 | lmadsen | jblack: actually it's usually really humid where I am |
| 23:57.24 | jblack | I suppose you're up in montreal? |
| 23:57.39 | lmadsen | Toronto |
| 23:57.51 | lmadsen | it doesn't really get *that* cold in Toronto (compared to other places) |
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| 23:58.17 | nhuisman_work | lmadsen, yeah you gotta limit your upload in the client |
| 23:58.30 | jblack | Oh yeah.. well, the frigid stuff to the east of you has a habit of taking a right turn into the US and wacking PA from the west. |
| 23:58.37 | nhuisman_work | it's great too when your router has a limited number of sockets |
| 23:58.38 | nhuisman_work | like 512 |
| 23:58.39 | lmadsen | nhuisman_work: ya... it doesn't seem to be the upload that's the problem -- I'm just overloading my poor little linksys router I think |
| 23:58.47 | nhuisman_work | yeah that's probably your issue |
| 23:58.51 | jblack | Vancouver, though, that's a nice place. |
| 23:58.53 | nhuisman_work | once it hits that number no new sockets can open |
| 23:58.56 | lmadsen | oh -- I never said I didn't know what the issue was :) |
| 23:58.57 | nhuisman_work | and you basically can't do shit |
| 23:59.15 | nhuisman_work | the fix to that is to load dd-wrt on your router |
| 23:59.20 | nhuisman_work | up the ports to 4096 or so |
| 23:59.32 | nhuisman_work | then put some active cooling on the chip :P |
| 23:59.36 | nhuisman_work | those things overheat so much with bittorrent |
| 23:59.36 | lmadsen | running DD-WRT on it and I think I'm just doing too much on my network and using all the memory. I have to redirect the BT stuff out of the other network card so it routes around the linksys and to the external IP directly through the switch |
| 23:59.56 | nhuisman_work | the switching shouldn't affect your routing |
