| 00:08.47 | __freedom__lover | \quit |
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| 00:24.40 | nentis | Anyone know a way to easily cron up a schedule to play a sound over voip phones? I'm looking for a way to use phones in classrooms as a bell system. |
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| 00:29.14 | ManxPower | nentis: Use cron to generate a .call file, drop it into /var/spool/asterisk/outgoing, I suggest the actual destination of the call uses chan_local. See localchannel.txt and the Wiki |
| 00:29.38 | nentis | Will do, thanks. |
| 00:30.27 | ManxPower | You should also look at app_page (show application page) and you'll have to figure out how to make the phones auto-answer. |
| 00:30.57 | ManxPower | this isn't rocket science -- it is more like chemistry. You mix the correct pieces to get the desired result. |
| 00:31.09 | nentis | I have a perl script someone wrote which uses a user in manager.conf and plays a .wav to a page group (I have page groups working) |
| 00:31.30 | perd | is the redirecting party number put into a variable when i receive a call from h323 ? http://pastebin.com/d246603ba |
| 00:31.34 | nentis | but I'm getting "ResponseErrorMessageOriginate failed" |
| 00:31.37 | perd | the pastebin shows the data i'm talking about... |
| 00:32.06 | ManxPower | perd: if it is, it would be DNID or RDNIS |
| 00:32.07 | nentis | Here is the script: |
| 00:32.09 | nentis | http://pastebin.com/m2981bbc9 |
| 00:32.27 | ManxPower | nentis: using manager would work too. |
| 00:32.43 | perd | ok thanks manx |
| 00:32.45 | perd | i'll try those |
| 00:32.58 | ManxPower | Asterisk is to PBXs, as Perl is to programming languages -- you always have 5 zillion different ways to do what you want to do. |
| 00:33.10 | ManxPower | perd: README.variables is the file you are looking for. |
| 00:33.15 | ManxPower | at least that's the name in 1.2.x |
| 00:33.22 | perd | ahh, i was looking at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+Detailed+Variable+List |
| 00:33.51 | ManxPower | perd: don't be suprized if the H323 channel driver does not set those vars. |
| 00:34.05 | perd | that would make me sad. |
| 00:34.12 | perd | im about to find out though |
| 00:34.25 | ManxPower | perd: Recommended order of docs: Asterisk CLI, Asterisk 'docs' directory, asterisk mailing list archives, IRC, The Wiki |
| 00:34.27 | perd | yay it sents rdnis |
| 00:34.32 | ManxPower | notice the wiki is at the END |
| 00:34.37 | perd | haha yeah... |
| 00:34.45 | perd | that's usually on thefront of my list, perhaps that's my problem |
| 00:34.50 | ManxPower | It is. |
| 00:35.00 | ManxPower | The Wiki is very out of date. |
| 00:35.17 | ManxPower | For things like "I need an example of how to do X" it is not a bad resource. |
| 00:35.29 | ManxPower | But for things like "what are the docs for this application", it is the worst resource. |
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| 00:35.39 | perd | duely noted, thank you sir |
| 00:35.54 | perd | and now i got my voicemail integration working flawlessly. that was pretty easy.. |
| 00:36.12 | perd | now to tackle the issue of calling asterisk -> callmanager |
| 00:36.13 | perd | oi. |
| 00:36.26 | ManxPower | for example, it does not look like any of the new 1.4 variables are on that Wiki page |
| 00:43.46 | dlynes_laptop | [TK]D-Fender: thanks....that trick for the aastras works perfectly on both the 9133i's and the 57i's now |
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| 00:54.48 | dlynes_laptop | How stable is the shared line appearance support in 1.4? |
| 00:55.20 | dlynes_laptop | Is it production quality? Or is it only suitable for a home office? |
| 01:00.03 | nentis | ManxPower, I'm so close. I have a .call file which works on a single extension, but can't get it to work with a page group. So "Channel: Local/PAGE191@ext-paging" works, but I'm having difficult finding the syntax for sending this to page group 600. |
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| 01:06.21 | nentis | got it. |
| 01:06.30 | nentis | Channel: Local/600@from-internal |
| 01:14.47 | mmlj4 | ManxPower: hey |
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| 01:30.10 | twisted[mobile] | wheeeee 90mph |
| 01:31.07 | twisted[mobile] | "warrior" next 3 exits |
| 01:33.17 | twisted[mobile] | you ppl are boring |
| 01:34.31 | file | twisted[mobile]: look in the mirror, you'll see a nub |
| 01:35.09 | twisted[mobile] | i see a truck |
| 01:35.20 | rob0 | uh oh, that could be bad |
| 01:35.30 | twisted[mobile] | brookshire cant drive |
| 01:36.04 | twisted[mobile] | nah were going 90 |
| 01:36.43 | twisted[mobile] | and its hard to type on my blackberry |
| 01:37.48 | twisted[mobile] | sorry, 95mph |
| 01:38.41 | rob0 | on I-65? |
| 01:39.01 | twisted[mobile] | yessir |
| 01:39.10 | rob0 | woohoo! |
| 01:39.35 | twisted[mobile] | why are you in auburn? |
| 01:39.48 | twisted[mobile] | OH SHI_-_- |
| 01:40.01 | twisted[mobile] | MO CSRRIER |
| 01:40.42 | twisted[mobile] | wont hurt me... |
| 01:41.17 | twisted[mobile] | wireless fiber baby! |
| 01:42.09 | twisted[mobile] | if anyone wants to fund our drinking.... |
| 01:42.26 | twisted[mobile] | ~twisted |
| 01:42.27 | jbot | twisted is, like, toastido@gmail.com, for paypal and chatter. He is also known in some circles as toastido. |
| 01:42.30 | coppice | isn't wireless fibre an oxymoron? |
| 01:42.58 | twisted[mobile] | NO ITS A LAZERk |
| 01:43.18 | coppice | you mean fibreless fibre? |
| 01:43.39 | twisted[mobile] | were doing voice UNDER IP to save bandwidth |
| 01:44.11 | twisted[mobile] | wtf is fulltondale? |
| 01:44.13 | coppice | sounds like a good idea. let's call it "the PSTN" |
| 01:44.53 | twisted[mobile] | ,+ it has to be "*423 |
| 01:44.55 | twisted[mobile] | err |
| 01:44.59 | twisted[mobile] | LASER |
| 01:45.19 | twisted[mobile] | fucking bupy ass road |
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| 02:26.57 | JunK-Y | twisted!!! |
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| 02:33.36 | iPod-nano | How do I create an extension that answers incoming SIP traffic and redirects it to the proper extension? |
| 02:34.57 | JunK-Y | just match the sip extension which is dialed. |
| 02:35.26 | iPod-nano | Well, it's not that simple. |
| 02:35.42 | [TK]D-Fender | iPod-nano, Yeah... you should try to be a little more vague... |
| 02:36.38 | iPod-nano | I want incoming sip traffic to 5121@mydomain to hear "Extension, please?", the caller enters a four-digit extension, and is then redirected to me or someone else. |
| 02:37.18 | Corydon76-dig | Uh, why shouldn't they just dial the right extension to start with? |
| 02:37.36 | iPod-nano | Because I'm trying to set up an access number from a PSTN line. |
| 02:37.45 | iPod-nano | Via SIPBroker.com. |
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| 02:38.13 | iPod-nano | So, the SIPBroker access number would call my server's 5121 extension. |
| 02:38.22 | Corydon76-dig | See application Read |
| 02:39.46 | iPod-nano | Asterisk itself is the SIP client. |
| 02:40.22 | [TK]D-Fender | iPod-nano, exten => 5121,1,NoOp(Yippy-kai-yay-mo....... Incoming call!) |
| 02:41.07 | Corydon76-dig | iPod-nano: not in that situation. Asterisk is the SIP server. |
| 02:41.13 | [TK]D-Fender | iPod-nano, shove that in a cotext. set "context=[thatcontext]" under [general] in sip.conf along with "allowguest=yes". |
| 02:41.17 | [TK]D-Fender | iPod-nano, End of story. |
| 02:46.34 | ManxPower | Telecom noobs, including Asterisk noobs seem to think that dialplans can be simple, short, maybe even elegant. Dialplans are ugly beasts that grow until you start to have nightmares about them. |
| 02:50.52 | mmlj4 | ManxPower: ping |
| 02:51.19 | mmlj4 | ManxPower: got any checks from our reluctant payer yet? I scolded them a few days ago about it |
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| 02:53.48 | iPod-nano | Um... Asterisk is supposed to wait for another extension to be dialed. |
| 02:54.58 | Corydon76-dig | Asterisk isn't supposed to do anything other than what you program it to do |
| 02:55.27 | Corydon76-dig | So if it's not waiting, then you failed to tell it to wait |
| 02:55.34 | iPod-nano | Well... how do I program it to do that? |
| 02:55.59 | Corydon76-dig | What have you put in your extensions.conf so far? |
| 02:56.15 | iPod-nano | A whole lot of text. :-P |
| 02:56.17 | Corydon76-dig | ~pb |
| 02:56.18 | jbot | A Pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 02:57.31 | [TK]D-Fender | iPod-nano, ....... |
| 02:57.34 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 02:57.34 | jbot | [book] Asterisk: The Future of Telephony which is found at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=11 or Temporarily at http://www.aocomputing.net/AsteriskTFOT.pdf |
| 02:57.37 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:57.41 | Corydon76-dig | Hurry, my cable modem is scheduled to go flaky in another hour... |
| 02:57.45 | iPod-nano | Yes, I have the book. |
| 02:57.57 | Corydon76-dig | Do you have the NEW book? |
| 02:58.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Corydon76-dig, shhhh |
| 02:58.36 | iPod-nano | Corydon76-dig: http://rafb.net/p/iuJ8xF94.html |
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| 02:59.26 | iPod-nano | I accidentally pasted that twice. |
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| 03:00.09 | Corydon76-dig | iPod-nano: I think you meant WaitExten, not Wait |
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| 03:00.39 | Corydon76-dig | and anyway, I'd suggest that you use Read, not WaitExten |
| 03:01.17 | iPod-nano | What does that one do? |
| 03:01.32 | [TK]D-Fender | iPod-nano, "show application [appname]" <- |
| 03:02.58 | JunK-Y | core show application :) |
| 03:03.41 | [TK]D-Fender | JunK-Y, look at the vars he's using in his dialplan... I would not go around assuming 1.4 :p |
| 03:03.55 | [TK]D-Fender | JunK-Y, And deprecated as it is... it still WORKS. |
| 03:04.02 | JunK-Y | im not reading seriously ;) |
| 03:04.47 | iPod-nano | 1.2.13 |
| 03:05.20 | Corydon76-dig | 1.2.13 is months old. There are a ton of bug fixes since then |
| 03:06.47 | JunK-Y | and few introduced too. |
| 03:07.53 | iPod-nano | That's great, but apparently Debian doesn't know about that. |
| 03:08.13 | [TK]D-Fender | iPod-nano, Debian is oblivious to the Age Of Reason. |
| 03:08.42 | Corydon76-dig | which is why everybody else compiles from source |
| 03:08.43 | [TK]D-Fender | iPod-nano, And tonight they're gonna party like 1699 :) |
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| 03:09.45 | dijungal | where do i see the bug fixes for the new release ? |
| 03:09.51 | iPod-nano | OK, what am I missinghere? |
| 03:09.58 | iPod-nano | It keeps hanging up on me? |
| 03:10.28 | iPod-nano | I want it to wait for a number to be dialed, then connect to that extension. |
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| 03:12.19 | Corydon76-dig | Why don't you use DISA with no-password ? |
| 03:12.38 | Corydon76-dig | It's by far the simplest solution |
| 03:12.45 | iPod-nano | Because I haven't a clue what you'e talking about. |
| 03:13.22 | Corydon76-dig | exten => 5121,DISA(no-password,mycontext) |
| 03:13.32 | Corydon76-dig | err |
| 03:13.37 | Corydon76-dig | exten => 5121,1,DISA(no-password,mycontext) |
| 03:13.37 | JerJer | ,1, |
| 03:14.07 | Corydon76-dig | In my defense, it's late |
| 03:14.31 | iPod-nano | Wait, what context am I using in there? |
| 03:14.59 | Corydon76-dig | whatever context you specified in sip.conf |
| 03:16.46 | Corydon76-dig | and then in the DISA argument, you specify whatever context contains your phone extensions |
| 03:17.50 | Corydon76-dig | However, it seems to be clear that you haven't defined any phone extensions yet |
| 03:18.13 | Corydon76-dig | i.e. exten => 1234,1,Dial(SIP/1234) |
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| 03:20.43 | iPod-nano | Ugh, I'm getting conffused. |
| 03:20.52 | iPod-nano | And this keyboard gets on my nerves. |
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| 03:29.57 | CCFL_Man2 | Strom_M: a green handset cord with 3 wires, for an F1 handset, you know any place i could get one? |
| 03:30.08 | Strom_M | not off the top of my head |
| 03:32.47 | CCFL_Man2 | Strom_M: my coiled cloth green handset cord is faded and stretched, no frayed though |
| 03:35.16 | CCFL_Man2 | Strom_M: i did fone a brass imperial 202 with ivory F1 handset on ebay |
| 03:35.23 | CCFL_Man2 | fone = find |
| 03:38.33 | CCFL_Man2 | Strom_M: http://cgi.ebay.com/Brass-Western-Electric-Telephone-Phone-ringer-Rotary_W0QQitemZ320160540893QQihZ011QQcategoryZ38038QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 03:40.13 | CCFL_Man2 | look at that farking beauty |
| 03:40.22 | CCFL_Man2 | been through hell but damn |
| 03:40.45 | CCFL_Man2 | though mine is green :P |
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| 03:49.28 | CCFL_Man2 | where is rudholm |
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| 04:09.01 | iPod-nano | What does this mean? |
| 04:09.02 | iPod-nano | Sep 22 00:08:21 WARNING[10665]: channel.c:2380 set_format: Unable to find a codec translation path from ilbc to ulaw |
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| 04:25.08 | [TK]D-Fender | iPod-nano, means * doesn't know how to translate between ULAW and ILBC just like it says |
| 04:25.49 | [TK]D-Fender | iPod-nano, look at "show translation" for a lit fo what * can transcode. If you see "--" in the coordinates of a combo you're intersted in... TFB |
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| 05:07.06 | ectospasm | so... I learned Wednesday I passed the DCAP test |
| 05:10.22 | Strom_C | congrats! |
| 05:10.42 | Strom_C | I HAS TAUGHT YUO WELL |
| 05:22.39 | ectospasm | Yes, but you weren't all of my training, to be sure! Now, that isn't to say that I would have passed without your training... |
| 05:23.09 | ectospasm | I think I should have done better on the written portion, but I squeaked by with an 81% |
| 05:23.43 | Strom_C | hey, that written test is tough tough tough |
| 05:25.33 | ectospasm | You can say that again |
| 05:26.07 | ectospasm | Although my major complaint with it is that I knew exactly where to look to find the answer to a lot of those questions |
| 05:26.25 | ectospasm | so much of it required memorization which I feel unnecessary |
| 05:27.11 | Strom_C | well, the difference betwen someone who is merely good and someone who is extremely competent is the degree to whch they remember how all the bits and pieces fit together |
| 05:27.35 | Strom_C | yes, you can look it up and do a perfectly good job |
| 05:27.37 | ectospasm | Like, why was there a question about the default H.323 port on there? Grant it, I'm not that experienced at work yet, but I still haven't come across anyone who has tried to use H.323 |
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| 05:27.46 | ectospasm | Strom_C: I guess you're right |
| 05:28.18 | Strom_C | but at the point where you can just look at something and go "Oh! I know what that is!", then you've moved beyond merely a technician |
| 05:28.24 | ectospasm | I dunno, I got through college BSing a lot of essay or short answer questions, so I guess I'd say I'd like to see some of those on there |
| 05:28.52 | ectospasm | which would make them tougher to grade, fo sho |
| 05:30.14 | ectospasm | Anyway, I guess I don't have to worry about that now. Not until they devise DCAP lvl II |
| 05:30.29 | Strom_C | :) |
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| 05:39.01 | jmg | hey all |
| 05:39.07 | jmg | No application 'StripMSD' ? |
| 05:39.18 | jmg | has it been supersceded by something else? |
| 05:39.29 | jql | yeah, string slicing |
| 05:39.36 | jmg | ex? |
| 05:39.38 | jql | ${EXTEN:1} |
| 05:39.42 | jmg | :) |
| 05:39.43 | jmg | ta |
| 05:43.35 | jmg | im trying to make enum work |
| 05:43.39 | jmg | with e164 |
| 05:43.47 | jmg | i think the code on their wiki is broken |
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| 06:06.36 | Yourname` | Hi guys. How can I incorporate the 1.4 WaitForSilence to work in the 1.2? |
| 06:07.52 | Strom_C | umm |
| 06:08.01 | Strom_C | why not...just....you know............upgrade? |
| 06:09.45 | luke-jr | Strom_C: well, on my side of the ballpark over here, 1.4 is totally broken ☺ |
| 06:09.53 | luke-jr | so I can't blame him |
| 06:10.05 | luke-jr | s/is/looks |
| 06:10.12 | Strom_C | "totally broken"? |
| 06:10.15 | ectospasm | define,"broken" |
| 06:10.18 | Strom_C | it won't even compile? |
| 06:10.30 | luke-jr | well, H323 has compile issues, but i meant runtime |
| 06:10.40 | luke-jr | as in, my old dialplan needs rewriting |
| 06:10.43 | Strom_C | what kind of issues? |
| 06:10.50 | luke-jr | and the Jabber support is not useful |
| 06:11.06 | Strom_C | heh, so it's not 1.4 that's broken, it's that you never read UPGRADE.txt when you upgraded to 1.2 |
| 06:11.14 | luke-jr | no, I started with 1.2 |
| 06:11.36 | Strom_C | if your dialplan uses nothing deprecated in 1.2, then it should work fine in 1.4 |
| 06:11.46 | luke-jr | for(;;) loops don't like iterators in 1.4 ☹ |
| 06:11.51 | luke-jr | for example |
| 06:12.14 | Strom_C | how so? |
| 06:12.24 | luke-jr | ... |
| 06:12.39 | luke-jr | 1.4 treats all 3 parts as math expressions |
| 06:12.50 | luke-jr | which macros don't work inside |
| 06:13.07 | luke-jr | 1.2 only treated the comparison as a math expression |
| 06:13.37 | Strom_C | hmm |
| 06:13.53 | Strom_C | did you file a bug, or is it noted already in UPGRADE? |
| 06:13.58 | ectospasm | um, isn't an increment a math expression too? |
| 06:14.34 | luke-jr | Strom_C: yes, we're working on getting it fixed now |
| 06:14.48 | luke-jr | ectospasm: not if it's an iterator |
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| 06:24.13 | dongs | anyone here familiar with ISDN |
| 06:25.15 | Strom_C | i'm familiar with it |
| 06:25.27 | Strom_C | but whether i'll be able to answer your question is another story |
| 06:26.47 | dongs | i want to know whats involved in providing an ISDN connection. whats the FXS end of ISDN called. |
| 06:27.38 | Strom_C | ISDN BRI or ISDN PRI? |
| 06:28.13 | dongs | BRI |
| 06:28.54 | Strom_C | well, the first piece of equipment on the customer's premise end is called the NT1 |
| 06:29.08 | dongs | yeah. I know the receiver end. |
| 06:29.15 | dongs | im talking about whats involved in providign a ISDN circuit. |
| 06:29.28 | dongs | i.e. I want to plugin a ISDN phone or S/T device into <?????> and have them work. |
| 06:29.47 | Strom_C | so you want to act like the telco? |
| 06:29.50 | dongs | yes. |
| 06:30.07 | dongs | and never mind S/T thats too much work. just the RJ45 w/isdn signalling on it. |
| 06:30.18 | Strom_C | ....? |
| 06:31.20 | Strom_C | are you planning on integrating this with asterisk? |
| 06:31.31 | dongs | not at all. |
| 06:32.19 | dongs | in your area how does ISDN circuit reach customer premises? |
| 06:32.20 | dongs | twisted pair? |
| 06:32.35 | Strom_C | do you actually want to provide usable ISDN service, or do you merely want to test out CPE you've got lying around? |
| 06:32.36 | dongs | i need whatever's on the other end of that. |
| 06:32.40 | Strom_C | yes, twisted pair |
| 06:32.58 | dongs | the former |
| 06:33.05 | dongs | (usable ISDN serviec) |
| 06:33.12 | Strom_C | well, then you'll probably want to buy either a 5ESS or a DMS-100 switch |
| 06:33.27 | dongs | that doesnt seem very portable. |
| 06:33.35 | Strom_C | DMS-10 then perhaps? :) |
| 06:34.27 | dongs | so how would the other end of the line be called |
| 06:34.34 | dongs | so I can at least google some chipsets/etc related to this stuff. |
| 06:34.59 | dongs | all I can find as far as I can tell is solutions for cpe and not for providing. |
| 06:35.21 | Strom_C | well, you can't just buy a DMS line card and expect to provide ISDN service |
| 06:35.38 | Strom_C | I don't get what ends you're trying to achieve |
| 06:36.00 | dongs | i need to provide equivalent of analog FXS port but for ISDN. |
| 06:36.39 | Strom_C | are you a telco? |
| 06:36.43 | Strom_C | do you have customers? |
| 06:36.54 | dongs | no, it would be a portable analog -> ISDN adapter |
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| 06:37.02 | dongs | (dont ask why) |
| 06:37.11 | Strom_C | that makes no sense |
| 06:37.22 | Strom_C | why the hell would you want analog on the network end and then ISDN on the CPE end? |
| 06:37.34 | dongs | pbx interfacing mostly. |
| 06:37.51 | dongs | a ton of equipment here only takes ISDN BRI as lines. |
| 06:37.58 | dongs | a ton of VOIP adapters, on the other hand, output analog. |
| 06:38.09 | dongs | (again, dont ask) |
| 06:38.15 | Strom_C | you're not seriously considering plugging terminal adapters into a PBX, are you? |
| 06:38.21 | dongs | yes, I am. |
| 06:38.30 | Strom_C | that's a completely broken network design. |
| 06:39.16 | dongs | googling for ISDN line card seems to be bringing interesting stuff. now if I could get high-resenough photos to see what electronics are involved |
| 06:39.35 | dongs | and/or get some overview of how this shit works. |
| 06:39.38 | Strom_C | are you trying to replace telco BRI circuits with ITSP service? |
| 06:41.57 | dongs | check this: typical installation: 10-line PBX with ISDN BRI as incoming lines. not configurable. this system needs to change to VOIP. something needs to source these ISDN signals. |
| 06:42.51 | Strom_C | right, that's what i'm asking - does the VoIP carrier you're considering using only provide service if you use their terminal adapters? |
| 06:43.15 | dongs | yes, but that isnt even relevant. even if it was something else, it needs to go into pbx as ISDN. |
| 06:43.42 | Strom_C | yes, I understand that |
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| 06:44.06 | Strom_C | if the ITSP only provides service if you use their terminal adapters, then the first thing you need to do is find another ITSP |
| 06:44.34 | Strom_C | second, you can set up an Asterisk box with an ISDN line card where the individual ports are configured in NT rather than TE mode |
| 06:44.35 | ectospasm | doesn't Vonage do that? |
| 06:44.48 | Strom_C | yes, and vonage is a terrible ITSP |
| 06:44.55 | dongs | so what is this "NT vs TE" mode |
| 06:45.01 | jql | wheeeee, vonage |
| 06:45.14 | Strom_C | TE is terminal equipment; NT is network terminal |
| 06:45.24 | jql | they're still counting their blessings |
| 06:45.32 | Strom_C | one is basically telco-facing, the other is CPE-facing |
| 06:45.43 | dongs | right, thats what I was initially asking for. |
| 06:46.01 | dongs | so I need to provide "NT" or whatever signalling. |
| 06:46.10 | Strom_C | yeah, but when you're only providing bits and pieces of information, it's tough to actually help you |
| 06:46.12 | dongs | is this something that nobody does besides telcos? |
| 06:46.15 | ectospasm | If you're doing PRI you can do pri_net |
| 06:46.18 | ectospasm | for signalling |
| 06:46.22 | Strom_C | ectospasm: it's BRI |
| 06:46.25 | ectospasm | Ah |
| 06:46.34 | jql | if you're the NT side, you decide what it is. :P |
| 06:46.35 | Strom_C | dongs: you can get many different ISDN BRI line cards which do both modes |
| 06:46.44 | jql | hah |
| 06:46.47 | Strom_C | the digium B410P is one example |
| 06:46.52 | MACscr | Does anyone in here know what a Smart Jack is? I know the basic premise, but it that connection still needs a T1 compatible router, etc, right? |
| 06:47.25 | Strom_C | MACscr: it's basically a jack that does a hard loopback on the T1 circuit if the CPE is unplugged from it |
| 06:47.51 | Strom_C | MACscr: though it could also be an HDSL terminal |
| 06:47.56 | MACscr | CPE? |
| 06:48.03 | dongs | hrm. |
| 06:48.05 | Strom_C | MACscr: customer premise equipment |
| 06:48.08 | Strom_C | MACscr: read this |
| 06:48.11 | Strom_C | ~101 |
| 06:48.12 | jbot | methinks 101 is Telephony 101, which is a good read if you're unfamiliar with traditional TDM telephony. You can download it at http://www.stromcarlson.com/docs/basics/NTtelephony101.pdf |
| 06:48.15 | MACscr | Ah, ok |
| 06:48.34 | MACscr | So my original assumption was correct? |
| 06:48.47 | Strom_C | yes, you still need T1 terminal equipment |
| 06:48.55 | dongs | that B410P looks good except Im not planning to involve a PC in this |
| 06:49.10 | dongs | and that has S/T interface.. how do you turn that into twisted pair? |
| 06:49.17 | MACscr | Thanks, i appreciate it |
| 06:49.21 | Strom_C | dongs: you change a jumper on the card |
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| 06:49.42 | Strom_C | dongs: do you need a U interface to go to the PBX? |
| 06:50.34 | dongs | it seems thats the name for it, ys |
| 06:50.45 | Strom_C | ah |
| 06:50.50 | dongs | here its called something else but. |
| 06:51.16 | Strom_C | well, as we sometimes like to say in the telecom industry, I think you're fucked ;) |
| 06:51.34 | Strom_C | if you can put a PRI line card in that PBX though, then your options change dramatically |
| 06:51.49 | dongs | ya that isnt happening |
| 06:52.01 | Strom_C | ~wglwat |
| 06:52.02 | jbot | it has been said that wglwat is well, good luck with all that |
| 06:52.02 | dongs | thing is its not really a one-off thing. |
| 06:52.17 | dongs | there is a LOT of equipment that only takes isdn and is not configurable/upgradable. |
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| 06:53.25 | Strom_C | dongs: i've never in my life seen anything that spits out an ISDN U interface besides telco central office switches |
| 06:53.36 | dongs | :( |
| 06:53.49 | dongs | but thats exactly what I want .. |
| 06:54.54 | Strom_C | well then either you're tied to ISDN BRI service from the telco, or you need to reconsider how to accomplish the ultimate goal of "reduce telephone bills by using VoIP instead of NTT or whoever" |
| 06:56.00 | dongs | can any random ISDN PCI card work in NT mode? |
| 06:56.10 | Strom_C | it depends on the PCI card |
| 06:56.19 | Strom_C | but that's an S/T interface, not a U interface |
| 06:56.22 | dongs | then again it doesnt really matter as a PC is not to be involved in this |
| 06:56.24 | dongs | right. |
| 06:56.26 | dongs | that too. |
| 06:56.30 | dongs | theres nothign that converts? |
| 06:57.15 | dongs | http://www.pulsewan.com/wan/nt1_ace.htm |
| 06:57.22 | dongs | opposite of this would be nice. |
| 06:57.27 | Strom_C | yeah, I have an Adtran NT1 ace |
| 06:57.32 | Strom_C | there is no "opposite" |
| 06:58.01 | Strom_C | why are you so dead-set against using a PC? |
| 06:58.26 | dongs | portability/scalability |
| 06:58.31 | dongs | + cost |
| 06:59.20 | Strom_C | "portability"? |
| 06:59.31 | Strom_C | are all your PBXes mounted in cars or something? |
| 07:00.17 | dongs | no, but I dont see how a PC solves this problem cleanly |
| 07:00.27 | dongs | 15:49 < Strom_C> dongs: you change a jumper on the card |
| 07:00.36 | dongs | ^ this makes 410whatever output U interface? |
| 07:00.38 | Strom_C | that's to go from TE to NT mode |
| 07:00.40 | Strom_C | no |
| 07:00.42 | dongs | i see. |
| 07:00.46 | Strom_C | i misunderstood what you were asking |
| 07:00.54 | dongs | well, so then thats still not a solution |
| 07:01.04 | Strom_C | dongs: what I'm getting at is that you replace the entire phone system |
| 07:01.15 | dongs | no no. |
| 07:01.18 | dongs | thats not a solution. |
| 07:01.30 | Strom_C | amortize the cost of the new equipment against the reduced telephone bills |
| 07:01.42 | dongs | i said this is not a one-off project. |
| 07:02.30 | Strom_C | well, then flesh out your situation in more detail, because currently you sound to me either like a complete lunatic or a horiffic cheapskate or someone who has built up a whole business plan on a terribly faulty set of assumptions |
| 07:03.11 | dongs | oh, the business plan is *very* clear. |
| 07:04.13 | Strom_C | well, then clarify it :) |
| 07:04.32 | dongs | finally finding things of relevance on googl |
| 07:05.48 | dongs | Strom_C: analog to ISDN converters, its the future man. |
| 07:06.00 | Strom_C | yeah |
| 07:06.08 | Strom_C | so tell me this business plan of yours |
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| 07:06.51 | dongs | 1. make analog to ISDN converters 2. price them about half price of voip-capable pbx eqiupment 3. ??? 4. profit! |
| 07:08.09 | dongs | i need to check what local stuff uses for u interface signalling |
| 07:08.10 | Wonka | ISDN-TAs cost about 35EUR, afair |
| 07:08.23 | Strom_C | well I suppose in theory it sounds good, but trust me, you're barking entirely up the wrong tree. |
| 07:08.30 | Wonka | other way round... urghs. |
| 07:08.35 | Wonka | who would want that? |
| 07:08.45 | Strom_C | putting extra D/A conversions in a circuit is not the way to reliable telephony |
| 07:08.59 | Strom_C | not to mention that you're taking a gigantic step backwards signaling-wise |
| 07:09.28 | dongs | yep, absolutely. |
| 07:09.38 | Strom_C | you are clearly completely loony. |
| 07:09.52 | dongs | the benefits are clear |
| 07:10.22 | dongs | you can convert a 20 years old ISDN pbx into voip without even touching anything. |
| 07:12.02 | Strom_C | yeah, so you can squeeze maybe another five years out of the thing before you have to replace it anyway |
| 07:12.16 | dongs | http://www.national.com/opf/TP/TP3410.html |
| 07:12.25 | dongs | they even still make this stuff. |
| 07:12.49 | Strom_C | ~wglwat |
| 07:12.49 | jbot | i guess wglwat is well, good luck with all that |
| 07:12.56 | dongs | thanks ! |
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| 07:47.32 | tzafrir_home | dongs, unless you consider analog to be the past |
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| 09:03.38 | dongs | what. |
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| 10:34.22 | tzafrir_home | knarfly, yes |
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| 10:59.54 | viperdude | hi anyone around? I have a problem starting Asteirsk |
| 10:59.56 | viperdude | asterisk |
| 11:01.02 | Daviey | viperdude: i don't |
| 11:01.34 | Daviey | You really need to explain your problem, not just saying "it's borked" |
| 11:02.06 | viperdude | when I start asterisk it hangs after Asterisk Event Logger Started /var/log/asterisk/event_log |
| 11:02.12 | viperdude | asterisk 1.4.10 |
| 11:16.12 | knarfly | what does the skip flag do? |
| 11:17.34 | knarfly | got it... |
| 11:40.21 | knarfly | I took one of my favorite mp3's and converted it to .wav format |
| 11:40.46 | knarfly | then I moved the existing .wav files out of /moh and moved my new file in there |
| 11:41.04 | knarfly | * says it can't find the file even though it calls it by name |
| 11:41.16 | knarfly | in the error message |
| 11:41.37 | Strom_M | what's the exact error message? |
| 11:42.07 | knarfly | hold on I can't paste it |
| 11:42.42 | knarfly | not in mono 2 |
| 11:42.54 | knarfly | unable to open format wav |
| 11:43.11 | Strom_M | what format is the wav file? |
| 11:45.31 | Strom_M | knarfly: hello? |
| 11:45.53 | knarfly | yes, I'm saving it down to mono format and trying again |
| 11:45.58 | Strom_M | no |
| 11:46.12 | knarfly | what should I try? |
| 11:46.17 | Strom_M | it must be mono 8khz 16-bit |
| 11:46.29 | knarfly | brb |
| 11:49.05 | knarfly | Strom_M, thanks, it's working now |
| 11:49.26 | knarfly | will mp3 produce better quality than wav |
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| 11:55.12 | knarfly | can someone help me with my extension |
| 11:55.14 | knarfly | http://pastebin.com/d4266b81d |
| 11:55.38 | disgrntld81 | is there any official asterisk reference documentation? i'd like to see a complete overview of all options available per config file, per contexts etc.. |
| 11:56.09 | disgrntld81 | in particular i'd like 1.4 documentation |
| 11:56.15 | knarfly | disgrntld81, do a google search for TFOT, you'll find it |
| 11:56.15 | Optic | hmm good question |
| 11:56.26 | Optic | the definitive guide is the source code ;) |
| 11:56.42 | disgrntld81 | heh |
| 11:56.43 | disgrntld81 | sure |
| 11:56.49 | disgrntld81 | i have TFOT |
| 11:56.57 | knarfly | disgrntld81, and the voip-info website |
| 11:57.11 | Optic | yes, voip-info is the first place i look |
| 11:57.20 | knarfly | disgrntld81, that's about all that exists outside of the code and the forums |
| 11:57.32 | disgrntld81 | ok |
| 11:57.37 | disgrntld81 | just making sure i wasnt missing something |
| 11:57.41 | disgrntld81 | thanks |
| 11:58.02 | Optic | no, * is a bit underdocumented |
| 11:58.04 | knarfly | I'm reading TFOT now and I keep finding new stuff...it's pretty good, but it's not up to date with 1.4.11 |
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| 11:58.27 | disgrntld81 | yea that is what im seeing too out of TFOT |
| 11:58.33 | knarfly | Optic, you get what you pay for, right |
| 11:58.34 | Optic | open source programmers like to write code, not docs |
| 11:59.05 | knarfly | well can anyone tell me why my extension is hanging up too soon |
| 11:59.06 | knarfly | http://pastebin.com/d4266b81d |
| 12:00.11 | Optic | i love * though, it's a nice piece of work |
| 12:00.17 | disgrntld81 | it is very cool =) |
| 12:00.24 | Optic | taking a quick look |
| 12:00.43 | disgrntld81 | i'd rather enjoy it poorly documented than to never have enjoyed it all |
| 12:00.55 | viperdude | when I start asterisk it hangs after Asterisk Event Logger Started /var/log/asterisk/event_log |
| 12:00.56 | viperdude | asterisk 1.4.10 |
| 12:01.04 | viperdude | any ideas? |
| 12:01.22 | knarfly | I started * about 18 months ago...it's slick and let's you give it to the man (POTS) |
| 12:01.24 | Optic | i don't remember what 'n' means in the dialplan |
| 12:01.41 | viperdude | Optic: n stands for next |
| 12:01.45 | Optic | it let me give it to norstar :) |
| 12:01.46 | knarfly | n means number the next step in sequence |
| 12:02.16 | knarfly | that way when you add new lines you don't have to renumber each of them |
| 12:02.37 | Optic | that's cool... must be new :) |
| 12:02.54 | knarfly | been there since I started using * in 2006 |
| 12:04.07 | Optic | we outgrew our norstar 6x16 at work |
| 12:04.31 | Optic | replaced it with a dell P4 box, a digium PRI card, and * |
| 12:04.38 | Optic | now we're over 30 extensions and it's ticking along just fine |
| 12:04.56 | Optic | mostly polycoms |
| 12:05.28 | Optic | tried a few of the sipura-841's at first, nearly put me off voip :) |
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| 14:02.45 | ManxPower | Wake up geeks! |
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| 14:09.44 | tzafrir_home | hi ManxPower |
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| 14:11.20 | ManxPower | Heloo, tzafrir |
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| 15:04.46 | FXOL | morning |
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| 15:12.15 | FireMac | hi |
| 15:13.10 | FireMac | anyone selling their asterisk book |
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| 15:14.34 | MukulJain | Hi, |
| 15:14.42 | FireMac | hi |
| 15:14.43 | MukulJain | I have a question regarding canreinvite |
| 15:14.51 | MukulJain | I am trying to use freecall |
| 15:15.01 | MukulJain | I can make call when I put CanReInvite=no |
| 15:15.04 | FireMac | sorry bro, i just started learning asterisk |
| 15:15.09 | MukulJain | But when I turn it as Yes, the Audio is only one way |
| 15:15.18 | MukulJain | Can anyone help ? |
| 15:15.37 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, Reinvites through NAT don't tend to work. |
| 15:16.08 | [TK]D-Fender | FireMac, ... |
| 15:16.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 15:16.10 | jbot | [book] Asterisk: The Future of Telephony which is found at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=11 or Temporarily at http://www.aocomputing.net/AsteriskTFOT.pdf |
| 15:16.11 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 15:16.35 | [TK]D-Fender | *sigh* |
| 15:16.48 | MukulJain | I see, so if my phone gets Public IP, then it should work ? |
| 15:17.41 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, Yes, basically the phone has the eiter be quite aware of the NAT its behind and have ports forwarded so that the reinvite maps through, or being pubhlic should allow it just fine |
| 15:18.05 | MukulJain | I am using GrandStream, Are these phones be made aware of NAT |
| 15:18.10 | MukulJain | that's they are behind ? |
| 15:18.20 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, let me put it to you this way : |
| 15:18.23 | [TK]D-Fender | ~gs |
| 15:18.23 | jbot | GrandSuck phones & gateways are cheap junk which should be avoided with extreme prejudice. |
| 15:18.27 | [TK]D-Fender | ~grandstream |
| 15:18.27 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, grandstream is the Yugo of VoIP hardware. Run. Run away now. |
| 15:18.39 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, Don't get any ideas :p |
| 15:18.53 | MukulJain | Sorry, but I am using them just for testing, |
| 15:19.08 | MukulJain | because they are affordable for the test setup, |
| 15:19.30 | MukulJain | So because they are cheap is that correct that they cant be made NAT aware ? |
| 15:19.36 | MukulJain | and expensive phones like Polycom can be ? |
| 15:19.40 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, ATA's are "affordable" and you'd be better off... |
| 15:19.54 | coppice | what exactly is a test setup testing when its components are buggy? |
| 15:19.56 | MukulJain | I have Cisco ATA 186 |
| 15:20.06 | [TK]D-Fender | I don't know for sure what the GS can do in that dept.... |
| 15:20.35 | MukulJain | I am using GS 2000 , GS 2020 , Cisco 186 ATA, Polycom 310 in the test lab |
| 15:21.06 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, Linksys ATA's are probably the most economic choice world-wide |
| 15:21.16 | MukulJain | [TK]D-Fender : I have linksys PAP2 as well. |
| 15:21.26 | MukulJain | PAP2T |
| 15:21.40 | MukulJain | My Scenario is : |
| 15:21.57 | MukulJain | I have asterisk at my office (behing NAT on Dynamic DSL) mapped thru dynamic dns |
| 15:22.14 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, But I'm not sure which would best handle a NAT'd reinvite best. The polycom can be informed of its public IP and if your port forward to it and have * treat it like it ISN'T behind NAT then I'd bet it would work. |
| 15:22.16 | MukulJain | I have 1 Ip phone at my home (behind Linksys wireless router). This is GS 2000 |
| 15:22.27 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, I take it you have some serious bandwidth considerations? |
| 15:22.49 | MukulJain | I have phones located in India, but asterisk is in Singapore |
| 15:23.04 | MukulJain | now when India calls another India phone, they go via Singapore for media path |
| 15:23.14 | MukulJain | I want to avoid this and make it direct, to have better quality. |
| 15:23.23 | MukulJain | am I on correct way ? |
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| 15:24.43 | mvanbaak | sounds like you cannot do that, because both phones will be behind NAT |
| 15:25.02 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, if you had a server in India they could use that one, but it depends on if you want to setup multiple servers to handle dialing between regions. |
| 15:25.29 | [TK]D-Fender | mvanbaak, With properly aware phones & forwarding it can work for a single phone per site |
| 15:25.39 | MukulJain | [TK]D-Fender: yeah that's the way to do it, but I dont want to put a server just for 2 phones at India, it's more about managing them, |
| 15:26.05 | MukulJain | and I forgot to tell, all the phones and server are on Dynamic DSL. |
| 15:26.17 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, Take a look and give it a try. Indeed I would think it strange to work very hard for jsut 2 phones... |
| 15:26.36 | yang | How come that I don't see a log if someone tries to reach me by SIP protocol ? Not by calling in over PSTN |
| 15:26.54 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, that of course makes it harder to control the NAT aware settings. |
| 15:26.57 | MukulJain | I had cisco documentation, where they have said that all the Cisco phones working with call manager, media path does not goes thru the CM but it's directly from Phone to phone. |
| 15:27.18 | [TK]D-Fender | yang, what kind of log are you expecting? |
| 15:27.28 | yang | I can only see this request : Unknown SDP media type in offer: video 5022 RTP/AVP 31 |
| 15:27.31 | mvanbaak | [TK]D-Fender: ah, a single phone per location should work indeed |
| 15:27.43 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, Well thats also SKINNY, not SIP. |
| 15:27.47 | yang | [TK]D-Fender: I expect to see the request and then refused request if the destination cannot be reached |
| 15:27.58 | mvanbaak | skinny++ |
| 15:27.59 | [TK]D-Fender | yang, in * CLI : "sip debug" |
| 15:28.00 | MukulJain | [TK]D-Fender : So using Skinny is that possible ? |
| 15:28.08 | MukulJain | IF I use Cisco Phones in India ? |
| 15:28.19 | MukulJain | and make them connect using Skinny on Asterisk ? |
| 15:28.20 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, Not sure, Cisco is a lot of trouble to handle./ |
| 15:28.42 | MukulJain | umm, so what would be best way, for this scnario : |
| 15:28.49 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, mvanbaak has a fair amount of experience with them, he'd be more able to advise than I am. |
| 15:29.11 | MukulJain | Server : In Singapore, IP Phone 1 -- India City 1 : IP Phone 2 : India City 2 : Ip phone 3 : My house |
| 15:29.44 | yang | [TK]D-Fender: I also have one problem, i can call outside my SIP (my softphone is NAT-ed asterisk isnt), but i cannot be reached inside over SIP number |
| 15:29.57 | MukulJain | mvanbaak: What is the best way to setup, considering quality would be effected if asterisk is always there in between ? |
| 15:29.58 | mvanbaak | I did not try skinny phones behind a nat with a server on another location |
| 15:30.02 | [TK]D-Fender | yang : |
| 15:30.04 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipnat |
| 15:30.04 | jbot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 15:30.05 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 15:30.06 | mvanbaak | but I think it's the same as with SIP |
| 15:30.15 | mvanbaak | you will have to setup forwarding etc |
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| 15:30.38 | MukulJain | Moment I do forwarding, then I have trouble when I plant the second phone in the same location righ ? |
| 15:30.45 | mvanbaak | yup |
| 15:31.04 | MukulJain | Another problem I have is |
| 15:31.09 | MukulJain | I have SIP Provider : say voipcheap.com |
| 15:31.16 | MukulJain | and I am using it from my home sip phone |
| 15:31.21 | MukulJain | which is behing NAT. |
| 15:31.34 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, First take a look with the phones you have to see if they support STUN and see if that helps it with knowing its IP and tunneling characteristics. Forward the appropriate port range to them and tell * they AREN't behind NAT and give reinvites a try. |
| 15:31.53 | MukulJain | Okay GS support Stun |
| 15:32.07 | mvanbaak | that's what they tell you ;) |
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| 15:32.14 | mvanbaak | I dont trust them |
| 15:32.25 | MukulJain | IP and Tunneling Charactertics : can u elaborate ? |
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| 15:32.35 | MukulJain | Port Range , u mean RTP range ? |
| 15:32.43 | mvanbaak | yes |
| 15:32.53 | MukulJain | okay that I can open on the local router |
| 15:32.54 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, STUN helps tell your device what kind of NAT and port forwarding it can detect. |
| 15:33.38 | MukulJain | [TK]D-Fender : Which are better phones, I found Polycom are expensive, WOuld a linksys be recommended ? |
| 15:34.09 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, Definately better than GS, but go experiment with what you have. |
| 15:34.31 | MukulJain | I can get only GS from a local store nearby in SG |
| 15:35.07 | MukulJain | hence testing them, I got 2020 and found it to be good ! but seems that there are lot of people who dont like GS at all.....so far for me for testing it's been okay... |
| 15:35.22 | mvanbaak | I have not tested the 2020 |
| 15:35.56 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, SG & Indian pricing is quite different than North America. Here Polycom phones are about the same as Linksys. |
| 15:35.56 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, relative value is different where you are, and the choices a bit harder. |
| 15:36.19 | MukulJain | mvanbaak : So If we have phones planted over WAN (Internet) and they are behind NAT, media has to go thru asterisk. Is this normal the way everyone does it ? |
| 15:37.05 | MukulJain | I feel that above way it makes the latency higher, |
| 15:37.21 | MukulJain | and effect quality, even though bandwidth is secondary for me to look at also |
| 15:37.36 | mvanbaak | it's how we do it |
| 15:37.46 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, YES, THATS THE WAY PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY DOES IT. |
| 15:37.56 | [TK]D-Fender | oops.. caps |
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| 15:38.23 | MukulJain | there are so many Hosted Providers for hte ASterisk, giving extensions free. like Orbtalk etc, does all media passes thr the server ? because they have some thoudands of users |
| 15:38.25 | mvanbaak | sometimes we put a small box with asterisk at the customer location if they make more then 75% local calls |
| 15:38.34 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, It can, but few have any actual issues with it. You however are spanning a large distance with less than idea pipes between them. |
| 15:38.45 | mvanbaak | MukulJain: most of them dont use asterisk |
| 15:39.00 | MukulJain | so what else is the choice ? |
| 15:39.02 | mvanbaak | they use ser most of the time |
| 15:39.08 | MukulJain | ser ? |
| 15:39.19 | mvanbaak | sip only thingie |
| 15:39.21 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, Any decently sized solution uses something like SER in front or another industrial strength soft-switch |
| 15:39.52 | MukulJain | Sip Express Router u mean |
| 15:40.04 | yang | [TK]D-Fender: I have nat=yes and qualify=yes to enable my nat-ed phone...http://paste.debian.net/37744 |
| 15:40.34 | MukulJain | yang : What is your scenario ? |
| 15:41.33 | [TK]D-Fender | yang, *I* don't see "nat=yes" on that entry... |
| 15:43.04 | yang | [TK]D-Fender: i added it recently |
| 15:43.10 | yang | let me try now |
| 15:43.24 | ManxPower | yang: so you are giving us out of date info? Way to go, dude. |
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| 15:44.28 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, Good morning starshine! |
| 15:44.50 | yang | I would need someone to ring me to test the thing, please? |
| 15:45.58 | [TK]D-Fender | yang, use a cell-phone or something |
| 15:46.13 | yang | i dont have a pstn binded to it |
| 15:46.23 | yang | only sip |
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| 15:48.49 | MukulJain | A silly question, Sorry from a Newbie: Is SER is like Asterisk ? |
| 15:49.42 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, No. SER is a SIP proxy, and a lot of other bits all in one. * is a toolkit that you can make a PBX with, etc, but its SIP stack and scalability sucks |
| 15:49.56 | [TK]D-Fender | yang, Go find something else to test with. |
| 15:52.11 | MukulJain | [TK]D-Fender : So we can use SER coupled with Asterisk ? and that would be better solution if there are lot of users on the internet using the asterisk ? |
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| 15:54.05 | [TK]D-Fender | MukulJain, in general I would say yes, but this is a BIG topic and deserves a lot of research to understand at what point it becomes profitable to do so |
| 15:57.06 | wulfy814 | I've got a fresh install of 1.4.11 on ubuntu LTS with a Sangoma A101 that I'm having a bit of trouble with |
| 15:57.13 | wulfy814 | I've got it accepting calls |
| 15:57.56 | wulfy814 | the last line of the incoming context is exten => in-num,n,Background(demo-thanks) |
| 15:58.10 | wulfy814 | the file exists in /var/lib/asterisk/sounds |
| 15:58.25 | wulfy814 | and the console doesn't throw any errors, but I'm not hearing the sound file on the other end... |
| 15:59.59 | wulfy814 | <----- IDIOT |
| 16:00.09 | wulfy814 | I checked /var/log/asterisk/messages and found the problem |
| 16:00.16 | wulfy814 | was missing the = |
| 16:00.20 | wulfy814 | n/m |
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| 16:42.35 | MukulJain | Please suggest any good billing software for the ASterisk ! Prefeably GN |
| 16:42.38 | MukulJain | GNU |
| 16:46.03 | puzzled | a2billing |
| 16:50.36 | _x86_ | MukulJain: you mean GPL? |
| 16:51.14 | ManxPower | Billing packages are like candidates in an election -- they are all bad, it's just that some are worse than others. |
| 16:51.28 | ManxPower | Much like softphones, actually. |
| 16:51.53 | ManxPower | Fortunately, I don't bill for calls. |
| 16:52.57 | _x86_ | yeah it's best to design your own, exactly how you want it |
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| 16:57.44 | linagee | wow. gxp-2000 is basically a giant piece of crap when it has firmware 1.1.4.18 loaded on it. might as well throw it out the window (??) |
| 16:57.58 | linagee | locks up, never boots up the first time, ? |
| 16:58.12 | ManxPower | linagee: Grandstram stuff are giant pieces of crap no matter what firmware you use. |
| 16:58.22 | ManxPower | ~gs |
| 16:58.22 | jbot | GrandSuck phones & gateways are cheap junk which should be avoided with extreme prejudice. |
| 16:58.28 | linagee | ManxPower: it was working for me just fine for a year, but when it had the older code |
| 16:58.54 | ManxPower | linagee: don't ever upgrade a working GS device. |
| 16:59.04 | ManxPower | Working firmwares are few and far between |
| 16:59.06 | linagee | ManxPower: lol. true. not sure what possesed me. |
| 16:59.21 | linagee | ManxPower: and not revertable in this case! :( |
| 16:59.32 | ManxPower | linagee: it sucks to be you. |
| 16:59.40 | linagee | ManxPower: it sucks to be my phone |
| 17:01.03 | linagee | ManxPower: does any other vendor have that problem of crappy firmwares and non-revertable-ness? |
| 17:02.07 | ManxPower | linagee: Most vendors have non-revertable-ness. It's just that it is unusual for other vendors to release broken firmware -- it is unusual for GS to release a working firmware. |
| 17:03.30 | linagee | ManxPower: hunt down their dev team and say, "WTF WHERE YOU THINKING" |
| 17:04.15 | linagee | or even better yet, "WHY HAVEN'T YOU RELEASED A FIX FOR THE BUGGY CODE YET?" |
| 17:05.11 | ManxPower | How about, "WHY DID YOU BUY THAT PIECE OF CRAP?" |
| 17:05.14 | linagee | ManxPower: maybe it's part of their business practices now. 1) Release working phone 2) Release buggy non-revertable firmware 3) Hope phones break from upgrade and people have to buy new ones with older code (?) 4) ??? 5) Lots of Profit! |
| 17:05.25 | ManxPower | The only reason GS is still in business is that people continue to buy their hpones. |
| 17:06.01 | ManxPower | Maybe they release their firmware with no formal testing -- sort of like Digium does with their software. |
| 17:06.03 | linagee | ManxPower: barbietone-100 sucks even more. can't hear squat |
| 17:06.15 | coppice | that's a pretty profound way to stay in business. runs completely against the .com ethos |
| 17:07.04 | ManxPower | sorry, they way they do with their Open Source software. Their non-free stuff is formally tested, as I understand it. |
| 17:07.27 | linagee | ManxPower: sorry? yes i would appreciate a sorry from them |
| 17:07.33 | linagee | ManxPower: "sorry for buying our crap" |
| 17:07.35 | linagee | lol |
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| 18:20.53 | Fogerty | VoiceMailMain application has has an advanced option "Envelope", what sort of information does that play for the caller? |
| 18:21.48 | wunderkin | try it and see |
| 18:23.49 | Fogerty | thanks. :) Any one else? |
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| 18:29.25 | ManxPower | Try it an see. |
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| 18:45.30 | Strom_C | http://www.pizdaus.com/pics/C7BXGZFagqnT.jpg <--- how wiring should not look |
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| 18:57.05 | ManxPower | That looks like my old NOC! |
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| 19:25.10 | riddlebox | is there a place to tell asterisk to send the wav file in an email when a voicemail is left as whatever.wav not whatever.WAV? |
| 19:34.17 | tzafrir_home | format= ? |
| 19:35.48 | Corydon76-dig | attachfmt? |
| 19:36.55 | riddlebox | ohh geez it was right in front ontop of the page |
| 19:37.41 | riddlebox | I looked through the whole file and never even gave that a thought |
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| 21:13.55 | moprilo | hi guys .. a quickone, on my plan, i have whole order when people dial _1.,1,gotoif... i don't want to rewrite everything for _001.,1... since its the same but {EXTEN:2} how do i do that?.. it could even be EXTEN (sent with the 0's) |
| 21:14.42 | moprilo | goto(_1.,1) right? |
| 21:14.47 | [TK]D-Fender | moprilo, pastebin what you've got so we have a better idea |
| 21:15.11 | [TK]D-Fender | moprilo, sounds like you'd be better off using a macro |
| 21:15.49 | moprilo | i don't remember the pastebin link, so since is almost the same.. is like this one ( http://www.ianbezanson.ca/drupal/node/164 ) |
| 21:16.16 | moprilo | but i need to add the exten=> _001., .. |
| 21:19.54 | moprilo | I'm gonna try the goto(_1.,1) see how it goes :P |
| 21:21.26 | ManxPower | you can't goto a pattern match! |
| 21:21.50 | ManxPower | you goto a specific location, a pattern match could match that destination |
| 21:22.15 | ManxPower | i.e. you can't have a leading underscore as part of the extension to go to inside of a Goto() |
| 21:22.52 | ManxPower | Goto(context,00${EXTEN},1) |
| 21:24.12 | moprilo | ok.. |
| 21:24.26 | ManxPower | riddlebox: you don't want WAV, those are HUGE. |
| 21:24.43 | ManxPower | wav49 is the format that seems best for generic voicemail attachments for e-mail |
| 21:25.11 | moprilo | so i can use Goto(${EXTEN:2},1) like that? |
| 21:25.23 | ManxPower | BTW, does anyone know of a decent ITSP that does not charge for incoming calls to DIDs. Teliax charges 2c/min for incoming. |
| 21:25.42 | ManxPower | moprilo: that would strip off the first 2 digits of the value of EXTEN, yes you can do that. |
| 21:25.57 | ManxPower | Hell, half my dialplan uses gotos to rewrite what users dial |
| 21:26.17 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, I've seen that on those that charge like $10/ea and for outbound, but not without a base charge |
| 21:26.50 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: Teliax DIDs have a monthly fee, I don't have too much of a problem with that. |
| 21:27.00 | ManxPower | But I would prefer fee with no per min. |
| 21:28.36 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, http://www.vitelity.com/index.php?p=retailserv |
| 21:28.48 | ManxPower | are they actually any good? |
| 21:28.52 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, no per-min = pure fixed charge FL1 effectively. |
| 21:29.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, I've heard of a lot of people using them... no personal experience though |
| 21:30.12 | ManxPower | the low monthly + per min is also acceptable. |
| 21:30.18 | ManxPower | I guess I'll give them a try. |
| 21:30.39 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, hope it pans out for you. |
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| 21:38.32 | E-bola | Are there a command to "pick" up a call in a queue? |
| 21:38.50 | E-bola | like press a button and then you get the 1st call waiting in the queue |
| 21:44.38 | moprilo | ManxPower, exten => _001.,Goto(${EXTEN:2},1) is not working.. any ideas? |
| 21:45.25 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, nope. gotta wait your turn |
| 21:45.50 | moprilo | jmm.. maybe if i mark it with another name |
| 21:45.58 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: I have this weird setup for a client im trying to fix |
| 21:46.21 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, start by cutting above the testicles :D |
| 21:46.30 | E-bola | He has a soundcard in the asterisk server, when a incoming calls apears, the soundcard need to signal that event with a sound over the speakers in the ceiling |
| 21:46.41 | E-bola | So once an employee hears the noise |
| 21:46.47 | E-bola | he must "pick up" the call waiting |
| 21:46.57 | E-bola | Can asterisk support something like this? |
| 21:47.05 | E-bola | So far ive managed to get console audio working |
| 21:47.05 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, sounds more like he should be using parking.... |
| 21:47.15 | E-bola | Now i need to know how to pick up the call |
| 21:47.31 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, have * park the call to queue the, |
| 21:47.41 | [TK]D-Fender | then* |
| 21:47.43 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: You mean park all incoming calls? |
| 21:47.55 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, for those you want to treat this way, yeah |
| 21:48.09 | E-bola | ok, how do i signal that there are calls waiting over the speakers then? |
| 21:48.29 | [TK]D-Fender | moprilo, just make your action into a macro and have your extens call it passing the modified exten # as needed |
| 21:48.49 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, before parking use a call-file or something |
| 21:49.18 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, if you want * to play that sound to Console |
| 21:49.32 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, or jsut do a System call and play an MP3 over it or something |
| 21:49.44 | E-bola | Im sory, i dont know what a call-file is.... |
| 21:50.06 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, look it up on the WIKI. And come up with the mechanism to handle this. |
| 21:50.16 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, there are a lot of different ways |
| 21:50.39 | E-bola | Hmm ya thats for sure hehe |
| 21:50.48 | E-bola | Couldnt i also use PickUP() ? |
| 21:50.52 | E-bola | on console |
| 21:52.45 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, no, because the call has technically been answered. |
| 21:52.56 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, by app_queue |
| 21:52.57 | E-bola | Why? I can just set autoanswer to no? |
| 21:53.07 | E-bola | well if i dont use a queue |
| 21:53.19 | E-bola | just let calls go directly to console |
| 21:53.36 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, You need to actually think before you start spitting out ideas like that you know :p |
| 21:54.01 | E-bola | Im thinking as well as I can :P |
| 21:54.35 | gremzoid | thats my phase for today |
| 21:54.38 | gremzoid | :P |
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| 21:55.48 | E-bola | Hmm this really isnt clear to me how to archive.... |
| 21:56.09 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: Is this the only info about parking calls? http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+call+parking |
| 21:56.14 | E-bola | Its the only thing i can find ont he wiki |
| 21:56.43 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, theres that, and also "ValetParking" go look that up too |
| 21:57.14 | riddlebox | ManxPower, the problem I am running into is that moto q phone says that they are unrecoqnized formats when I use anything... |
| 21:58.55 | riddlebox | can you use attachfmt=mp3? in voicemail.conf? |
| 22:00.16 | ManxPower | riddlebox: Oh! I thought you were using e-mail on a real computer. |
| 22:00.21 | styelz | can I set seperate localnet= for each sip user/peer ? |
| 22:00.30 | styelz | or is it global |
| 22:00.32 | ManxPower | riddlebox: well, WHAT formats does Q support for e-mail attachments. |
| 22:00.36 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: I dont think you understand my setup, if i park all incoming calls on the parkinglot, how will users know what extension to call to pick up the parked calls? |
| 22:00.42 | E-bola | It needs to be the same extension everytime |
| 22:00.45 | ManxPower | styelz: It is global and there is no real reason for it not to be. |
| 22:00.48 | [TK]D-Fender | riddlebox, no, because * cannot ENCODE in MP3 |
| 22:00.52 | E-bola | Or maybe im missunderstanding something.... |
| 22:00.53 | ManxPower | localnet specifies the LOCAL NETWORK of the Asterisk. |
| 22:01.09 | ManxPower | E-bola: you tell them. |
| 22:01.12 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, there are easy ways to tell which lots are in use... |
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| 22:01.36 | riddlebox | ManxPower, it says it supports wav, but for some reason I cannot get it to open them |
| 22:01.39 | E-bola | i guess i could use the LED's on the phones with hints... |
| 22:01.42 | E-bola | but thats not a good solution |
| 22:01.56 | E-bola | mu users must not be bothered/disturbed |
| 22:01.57 | ManxPower | riddlebox: you have the choice of wav (ualw/alaw) wav49 (MS GSM), GSM |
| 22:01.58 | riddlebox | E-bola, I use that right now on my phones |
| 22:02.06 | E-bola | they just need to be able to hit a shortcut key ont he phone |
| 22:02.12 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, You can figure these things out in pure dialplan.... |
| 22:02.12 | E-bola | and be connected with any potential waiting call |
| 22:02.12 | ManxPower | riddlebox: wav files are about 1 meg per min |
| 22:02.33 | ManxPower | E-bola: perhaps a Queue |
| 22:02.36 | ManxPower | ? |
| 22:02.39 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, take aloot at ValetParking, It can queue up calls on a single lot rather easily |
| 22:02.55 | styelz | yah, if i dont set localnet.. i only get audio one way.. (although, calls i send direct to a queue work). But if i set localnet= i get audio both ways, but if i send a call direct to a queue i get no audio |
| 22:03.00 | E-bola | ManxPower: Was my first idea to, but you cant "pick up" a call waiting in a queue by hitting a key? |
| 22:03.15 | ManxPower | styelz: localnet= is for Asterisk being behind NAT |
| 22:03.25 | styelz | yea it is behind nat |
| 22:03.41 | styelz | its on 192.168.0.6 |
| 22:03.56 | ManxPower | E-bola: hell if I know. However, you might be able to send queue calls to a specific parking slot. |
| 22:03.57 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: i can find a readme from 2004 about app_valetparking, does it even work with 1.4? |
| 22:04.06 | ManxPower | if that parking slot is busy, then the call stays in the queue. |
| 22:04.18 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, it's been modified for 1.4 sometime ago. Get searching and go try stuff |
| 22:04.25 | styelz | it all works great. except for calls i derect direct to a queue. |
| 22:04.33 | ManxPower | I have not ACTUALLY done this, I'm just giving you ideas. What you want to do really pretty crazy. |
| 22:04.34 | styelz | which is odd |
| 22:04.43 | ManxPower | styelz: define "direct to queue" |
| 22:04.53 | E-bola | ManxPower: I knwo its a bit odd, its not my idea to design the system like this |
| 22:05.03 | ManxPower | there should be no difference between a call and a qcall |
| 22:05.51 | styelz | an extension in queues.conf |
| 22:05.56 | ManxPower | E-bola: Just report the person as a "telecom terrorist" to your local equiv of the FBI. End of problem. |
| 22:06.18 | ManxPower | styelz: you need to figure out what is special about that, since there should not be any difference. |
| 22:06.35 | styelz | yea its got me rooted |
| 22:06.42 | styelz | been at it for a week |
| 22:07.01 | styelz | it works fine it i dont set localnet though |
| 22:07.02 | ManxPower | styelz: perhaps it would be easier to put Asterisk on a public IP |
| 22:07.14 | ManxPower | styelz: do you ALSO have externip= set? |
| 22:07.26 | styelz | yea, most definately |
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| 22:08.15 | ManxPower | styelz: what is the actual localnet= setting. |
| 22:08.31 | styelz | but then, clients at work will all be natted to * |
| 22:08.48 | styelz | and id rather just have the sip provider natted and the rest not |
| 22:09.07 | ManxPower | styelz: Uh, that is not true. |
| 22:09.27 | outtolunc | a port is a port of course <G> |
| 22:09.29 | [TK]D-Fender | styelz, read this, NOW : |
| 22:09.30 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipnat |
| 22:09.37 | jbot | [~sipnat] Quick guide on configuring * + SIP behind NAT : http://www.aocomputing.net/?p=3 otherwise check the WIKI at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 22:09.37 | styelz | if i put * on the DMZ |
| 22:09.40 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:09.49 | ManxPower | We have this layout: Internal private addresses <-> public servers <-> internet. |
| 22:09.53 | E-bola | Can you use Pickup() to pickup a parked call? |
| 22:10.04 | E-bola | that would be super, so you prolly cant :( |
| 22:10.16 | ManxPower | internal addresses are natted when they connect to the internet, but not natted when they connect to the "public servers" |
| 22:10.30 | ManxPower | E-bola: uh, yes. |
| 22:10.55 | E-bola | ManxPower: Doesnt pickup() only work with extensions? |
| 22:10.56 | ManxPower | of course, your ISP needs to give you more than 1 public address, and you need a NAT router that is not braindead |
| 22:11.06 | ManxPower | E-bola: that is DirectedPickup. |
| 22:11.07 | E-bola | Or does your parked calls count as an extension? |
| 22:11.17 | ManxPower | E-bola: when was the last time you did a "show applications like pickup" |
| 22:11.35 | styelz | i dont see why a normal sip call is different from a queue call.. |
| 22:11.44 | E-bola | about never.... |
| 22:11.45 | ManxPower | styelz: It should not be. |
| 22:11.53 | styelz | only that it resides on the * box |
| 22:11.54 | ManxPower | E-bola: try it |
| 22:12.16 | E-bola | just did, doesnt tell me anything really? |
| 22:12.22 | E-bola | Pickup: Directed Call Pickup |
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| 22:12.46 | styelz | spose i can just not use queues |
| 22:13.38 | E-bola | What i was thinking was that if i could use Pickup() with parked calls, i could specify a block like 70 and it would pickup and call on extensions 700-799 as far as i can understand |
| 22:13.52 | E-bola | and=any |
| 22:14.39 | styelz | TK: read them |
| 22:14.44 | styelz | thanks though |
| 22:15.13 | [TK]D-Fender | styelz, that answers on how to setup * behind NAT as well as remote SIP clients. |
| 22:15.33 | styelz | will try that out |
| 22:15.53 | styelz | seems the best solution, plonk it on the DMZ |
| 22:16.29 | styelz | ..not a bug is it... *hides* |
| 22:17.07 | [TK]D-Fender | styelz, no need to DMZ, and that is not enough by itself |
| 22:17.49 | styelz | where else should i put it? |
| 22:18.03 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, do a "show dialplan" while you have some parked calls, and "show application chanisavail" and use your imagination.... |
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| 22:18.17 | [TK]D-Fender | styelz, that first guide told you everything you need to do... |
| 22:18.25 | styelz | its either the DMZ the LAN or the Gateway |
| 22:18.33 | styelz | yes thanks. |
| 22:18.43 | [TK]D-Fender | DMZ the LAN? HUH!? |
| 22:18.45 | styelz | so. its the DMZ |
| 22:18.50 | styelz | n/m |
| 22:18.52 | E-bola | ManxPower: So say there is a parked call on extension 701, you can use ParkedCall(701) to connect to the call, and you can use Pickup(701) as well? |
| 22:18.58 | Qwell | I'm about to stab somebody in the face. |
| 22:19.04 | styelz | got a few spare ip's |
| 22:19.07 | Qwell | freaking spammers got to the bug tracker |
| 22:19.14 | E-bola | Qwell: Stab away at me, i can take it |
| 22:20.37 | styelz | dont stab me i got cones to smoke |
| 22:20.41 | Nugget | After you guys are done revolitionizing VoIP it'll be time to invent Punch in the Face over IP. |
| 22:20.57 | Nugget | I'd pay bug, big money for a Digium PitFoIP Appliance. |
| 22:21.09 | styelz | lol |
| 22:21.41 | Qwell | -over IP |
| 22:21.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Nugget, AT&T has a special channel for that kind of "reach out and touch someone", but it requires a warrant :p |
| 22:21.56 | Nugget | heh |
| 22:22.27 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, really?? |
| 22:22.58 | [TK]D-Fender | (my katana) |
| 22:23.44 | E-bola | So did anybody know if the Pickup() cmd works with parked calls? I cant test it atm, so im just curious to know if i need to take a different path.... |
| 22:25.31 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, yes you need a different path. |
| 22:25.53 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, and I just gave you the path to the answer 8 minutes ago |
| 22:26.14 | ManxPower | You cannot part TO a specific extension |
| 22:26.14 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: ValetParking? That didnt sound like a very supported path... |
| 22:26.26 | E-bola | ManxPower: i wouldnt need to if pickup worked |
| 22:26.29 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, <[TK]D-Fender> E-bola, do a "show dialplan" while you have some parked calls, and "show application chanisavail" and use your imagination.... |
| 22:26.36 | E-bola | it support picking up a "range" of extensions |
| 22:26.54 | ManxPower | E-bola: you are NOT picking up an extension! |
| 22:27.00 | ManxPower | You are picking up a parked call. |
| 22:27.01 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: I did both commands, my imagination must be inferior to yours... |
| 22:27.27 | E-bola | ManxPower: well then it wont work, im just saying if that was supported it would be a real simple solution to my problem :( |
| 22:27.40 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, Chanisavail test to see which parking lot is in use and grab the first one that is. Make a little loop script in your dialplan for this. |
| 22:27.49 | ManxPower | E-bola: you wanted to put a call in limbo and pick it up from any phone. |
| 22:27.53 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: ahhh |
| 22:28.03 | E-bola | Manxpower: yep |
| 22:28.18 | ManxPower | so WHO CARES what you dial to pick up the call. |
| 22:28.21 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: Ok you are right, asuming i can figure out how to script that, that should work |
| 22:28.29 | ManxPower | Just have ONE parking slot. |
| 22:28.45 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, No ned to use a single lot... |
| 22:28.50 | ManxPower | when that parking slot is empty, toss the next call to it, |
| 22:29.05 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: he said he wanted to dial the same thing every time to pick up the call. |
| 22:29.06 | ManxPower | IIRC |
| 22:29.08 | E-bola | i think both your ideas would work |
| 22:29.21 | E-bola | and both fill my requirements |
| 22:29.26 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, make an exten that checks which lot is free and just goes to it. no big deal. |
| 22:29.40 | [TK]D-Fender | s/free/inuse |
| 22:29.41 | ManxPower | Park() does that automatically |
| 22:29.42 | E-bola | Manxpower: i CAN dial the same thing everytime, since tk wants me to script a loop that finds an full lot and connect to that |
| 22:29.52 | [TK]D-Fender | exactly |
| 22:30.20 | E-bola | there's a cmd called Park()? That wasnt mentioned on the wiki at all.... |
| 22:30.34 | ManxPower | Greylisting sure takes the "instant" out of "instant gratification" |
| 22:30.51 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, .... was it good for you? |
| 22:31.05 | ManxPower | E-bola: There is a command called Park. Nobody uses it because it is added to the dialplan automatically when you turn on parking |
| 22:31.19 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: TK, you're the best! |
| 22:31.37 | E-bola | So far i like TK's idea best, its the simplest to understand, asuming the scripting is possible/easy |
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| 22:32.47 | E-bola | outtolunc: you use it? |
| 22:32.53 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, ChanIsAvail(Local/${lotcounter}@parkedcalls/n) <--- |
| 22:32.59 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: the reciptionist at the 2nd largest office of one of my clients quit. Instead of just stuffing a body into the chair I had to go do some custom call routing for them |
| 22:33.19 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: does that work in 1.2? |
| 22:33.22 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, more money for you.... |
| 22:33.23 | outtolunc | it was a joke, dynamic parking = scripting and dynamic meetme channels |
| 22:33.26 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, certainly |
| 22:33.39 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: I was busy leaving on a trip. |
| 22:33.46 | E-bola | tk: ive never scripted anything per say in asterisk |
| 22:33.55 | E-bola | are there like for loops and stuff like that? |
| 22:34.01 | E-bola | so i can increment lotcounter etc? |
| 22:34.03 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, Dear God...... |
| 22:34.09 | ManxPower | E-bola: if you write a dialplan you scrpted |
| 22:34.27 | E-bola | Well i meant more programicly, if then else, while, for etc |
| 22:34.32 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, show application set,gotoif, etc..... |
| 22:34.56 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, You are in dire need of... |
| 22:35.00 | [TK]D-Fender | ~osmosis |
| 22:35.00 | jbot | well, osmosis is the act of beating yourself on the head repeatedly with THE BOOK, until some measure of absorption has occured ... or at least until your unconsciousness restores peace to the channel ... |
| 22:35.13 | E-bola | hehe its funny how you feel the absolute need to insult me while helping me :) |
| 22:35.16 | ManxPower | http://www.fnords.org/~eric/macro-std-exten-v2.inc |
| 22:35.32 | ManxPower | E-bola: because you totally and utterly missed what he was saying. |
| 22:35.52 | [TK]D-Fender | yup |
| 22:36.07 | ManxPower | what he meant to say was: ChanIsAvail(Local/710@parkedcalls/n) |
| 22:36.20 | E-bola | Saying? He told me to script a loop over the park lots and use ChanIsAvail to see which was full |
| 22:36.23 | ManxPower | but since he didn't want to lock you into using 710 as one of your parking lots..... |
| 22:36.27 | E-bola | and showed me one line with a var called lotcounter |
| 22:36.33 | E-bola | i asume i need to modify that counter somehow? |
| 22:36.38 | ManxPower | E-bola: script = use the standard dialplan stuff |
| 22:36.42 | [TK]D-Fender | exten => _XXXX,n(check-dialstatus),GotoIf($["${DIALSTATUS}" = "BUSY" | "${DIALSTATUS}" = "CHANUNAVAIL" | "${DIALSTATUS}" = "CONGESTION"]?vm-busy) <-- 80/20 IF violation :p |
| 22:37.09 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: I don't understand |
| 22:37.46 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, we talked about that.. you are checking for 80% of the values, vs the 20% that would let you approach this the otherway around be much shorter. |
| 22:38.07 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: IIRC, I want that other %20 to be ANYthing |
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| 22:38.20 | ManxPower | who knows what bizaro dialstatus values they might add? |
| 22:38.27 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, I INVENTED a counter just so you'd get the picture that I picked that mane to indicate its purpose. Set to 70 and cycle upwards. |
| 22:38.38 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, Thats a really sad cop-out :p |
| 22:38.41 | ManxPower | Hell, there are cases where dialstatus is not set when the dialplan gets there. |
| 22:39.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, with that kind of thinking you might as well live in fear of being trampled to death by raging hippo.... |
| 22:39.23 | ManxPower | Uh, you missed the hangup |
| 22:39.47 | ManxPower | So if DIALSTATUS is nothing I check, Hangup happens |
| 22:39.49 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: I thought you meant that asterisk was smart enough to simply let me cycle through the lots in 1 line and find a call |
| 22:40.03 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, WHICH coincidentally was a statisitcally LARGE number of deaths during the same time as the Gulf War as the war itself... |
| 22:40.06 | E-bola | I have to have a line like you pasted for each parking lot? |
| 22:40.22 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, * is smart, YOU are supposed to be. Welcome to computers. |
| 22:40.26 | ManxPower | E-bola: your dialplan will look VERY different. |
| 22:40.52 | E-bola | ohh it supports checking multiple arguments in 1 line |
| 22:40.56 | ManxPower | E-bola: you will have lots of GotoIfs, along with ChanIsAvail, and various other stuff. |
| 22:40.57 | E-bola | hadnt noticed that |
| 22:41.14 | ManxPower | E-bola: it does not |
| 22:41.18 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, Set counter ; check lot ; if in-use GOT IT ; ifnot increment counter ; see if counter too high ; ifnot goto lotcheck again. |
| 22:41.32 | [TK]D-Fender | 2 gotoif's. 3 TOPS... c'mon |
| 22:41.36 | [TK]D-Fender | gw=eeez |
| 22:42.39 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: yes, I could have done it the way you suggest, but my way is 1 line of extra stuff and gives me more control. |
| 22:43.14 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: ok i understand somewhat how to do it now, thanks |
| 22:43.25 | ManxPower | My "code" is VERY wordy. I guess I still miss the days of COBOL |
| 22:43.33 | E-bola | Another problem is the ringing over the speakers though, how will i control that? |
| 22:43.48 | ManxPower | E-bola: you never said anything about ringing on the speakers. |
| 22:43.54 | E-bola | It needs to keep ringing as long as there are calls on the parking lot, and stop once the last lot it empty |
| 22:43.59 | E-bola | Manxpower: sure i did |
| 22:44.03 | E-bola | scroll up |
| 22:44.03 | ManxPower | I can't think of a way to make that work for you. [TK]D-Fender, can you? |
| 22:44.27 | E-bola | <E-bola> He has a soundcard in the asterisk server, when a incoming calls apears, the soundcard need to signal that event with a sound over the speakers in the ceiling |
| 22:44.27 | E-bola | <E-bola> So once an employee hears the noise |
| 22:44.28 | E-bola | <E-bola> he must "pick up" the call waiting |
| 22:44.59 | ManxPower | E-bola: *shrug* I missed that. |
| 22:45.00 | E-bola | i can ofcourse play a sound before the call is parked |
| 22:45.25 | ManxPower | E-bola: That is just a sound, not ringing. |
| 22:45.34 | E-bola | but it should preferbly be "connected" with the status of the parking lot (which in fact should be have like a queue) |
| 22:45.34 | ManxPower | ringing = starts when call arrives, stops when it's answered. |
| 22:45.45 | E-bola | Manxpower: as i just said... |
| 22:46.38 | E-bola | Hmmm i just thought of another road to take |
| 22:47.04 | E-bola | connect a phone with extension 901, make it an agent on a queue, connect it to a speaker system |
| 22:47.15 | E-bola | and let users pickup extension 901 with a shortcut key |
| 22:47.29 | E-bola | direct all incoming calls to the queue |
| 22:47.33 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, http://pastebin.com/m3655344f <--------------- |
| 22:48.26 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, Before you park the call just do "System" and call an MP3 player to play your "grab the damned call" recording via your soundcard. |
| 22:48.55 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: ye, but how do i know when to stop playing the mp3? |
| 22:49.12 | E-bola | it should stop playing, whent he call it picked up from the parking lot |
| 22:49.19 | E-bola | atleast idealy.... |
| 22:49.30 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, if you want it ringing continuously... jsut think if you don't have ENOUGH people to answer all of the lots... CONTINUOUS noise. You're on crack I swear//// |
| 22:49.54 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, For a continuous playback, that gets more complicated. |
| 22:50.02 | E-bola | Well, thats the ideal scenario |
| 22:50.07 | E-bola | a ring every 10 secs or so |
| 22:50.15 | E-bola | as long as there are parked calls that havent been answered |
| 22:50.34 | E-bola | hmm a timer would work |
| 22:50.38 | E-bola | but no clue if asterisk can do that |
| 22:50.45 | E-bola | lol, i could crontab it if nothing else |
| 22:50.52 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, maybe you should jsut live with App_queue |
| 22:50.58 | E-bola | crontab a script that plays the ring if there are calls on the lot |
| 22:51.29 | E-bola | tk: shouldnt it be relatively simply to write a script that check if there are parked calls and call it every 10 secs from crontab? |
| 22:52.12 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, thats a constant system load. the vast majority of things are doable... just not SUGGESTED.... |
| 22:52.13 | E-bola | you more or less alreadty wrote it |
| 22:52.25 | E-bola | ya its a pretty ugly solution thats for sure.... |
| 22:52.38 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, If you want me to investigate further I am available for subcontracting :) |
| 22:53.34 | E-bola | What do you think about my sugestion with pulling the speaker audio from a phone instaid of the server soundcard? |
| 22:53.44 | E-bola | together with a queue wouldnt that be a pretty good solution? |
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| 22:54.22 | ManxPower | Seems like using the system soundcard and chan_console would be something to consider |
| 22:54.39 | E-bola | ManxPower: thats what ive been using so far... |
| 22:54.59 | E-bola | that doesnt take into account the way to handle the queue system... |
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| 22:55.31 | E-bola | hmmm or wait |
| 22:55.44 | E-bola | Do you mean assign an extension to ring the console |
| 22:55.45 | ManxPower | Dial(Local/701@parkedcalls&Console/1) |
| 22:55.50 | E-bola | and then let users pickup that extension? |
| 22:56.02 | ManxPower | that assumes that parking doesn't answer the line |
| 22:56.04 | [TK]D-Fender | whee |
| 22:56.13 | ManxPower | you would have to see. |
| 22:56.35 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, that dial is BAD....... |
| 22:56.35 | ManxPower | you can always just use a System command to kill the mp3 player when a call is picked up |
| 22:56.37 | [TK]D-Fender | just... BAD |
| 22:56.52 | E-bola | Well hear me out |
| 22:57.10 | E-bola | cant i make the console or something ringing the console, member of a queue |
| 22:57.16 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, and killing when a call is picked up doesn't handle the fact of more people waiting in line... |
| 22:57.18 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: When I'm good I'm very good, when I'm bad I'm even better |
| 22:57.22 | E-bola | and then let users pickup the console/extension? |
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| 22:57.54 | ManxPower | No, you would pickup Console/soundcardnumber |
| 22:58.18 | E-bola | ahh so it would just start an intercom? |
| 22:58.24 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, you can't pick up BOTH! Your FIRST argument to Dial would get answered.... |
| 22:59.05 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: I DID say something about assuming Park does not answer the call |
| 22:59.23 | E-bola | [TK]D-Fender: Would this work? connect a phone with extension 901, make it an agent on a queue, connect it to a speaker system. and let users pickup extension 901 with a shortcut key. Then direct all incoming calls to the queue |
| 22:59.27 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower, Dial(Local/701@parkedcalls&Console/1) <- what do YOU think is going to happen? |
| 22:59.54 | E-bola | I really think thats the simplest easiest way to get around this |
| 22:59.54 | [TK]D-Fender | E-bola, you are making this overly complex...... |
| 23:00.13 | ManxPower | [TK]D-Fender: what I think is that is trivial to try and see what happens. |
| 23:00.35 | E-bola | That solution, if it works, is much more simple than anything we discussed so far |
| 23:00.45 | E-bola | and it works 100% as i described, unlike the parking lot loop |
| 23:00.53 | E-bola | which isnt connected with a ringing, over the speakers |
| 23:00.57 | ManxPower | drat, since the CALLER will hear the parking slot number, then the call would have to be answered. |
| 23:00.58 | E-bola | dont you agree? |
| 23:01.04 | ManxPower | E-bola: have you ever parked a call before? |
| 23:01.15 | E-bola | ManxPower: no, ive never had to use call parking |
| 23:01.21 | E-bola | but please look at what i sugested |
| 23:01.33 | E-bola | i think that should solve the mentioned issues? |
| 23:03.13 | ManxPower | when you park a call, you do this: Transfer to parking extension, listen to the parking lot number read back to you, complete the transfer. |
| 23:03.35 | ManxPower | n ow if there isn't a supervised transfer happening, the caller will hear the parking lot number. Bet it'd confse the hell out of them |
| 23:03.44 | E-bola | ManxPower: yes i got that much |
| 23:03.53 | E-bola | what i sugested doesnt use parking at all.... |
| 23:04.14 | E-bola | you simply use a pickup group |
| 23:04.33 | ManxPower | or DirectedPickup I think |
| 23:04.44 | E-bola | i was thinking of using a pickup group |
| 23:04.47 | E-bola | that i have experience with |
| 23:04.58 | E-bola | it lets me pickup a call thats ringing on another phone, so i know THAT would work |
| 23:05.19 | ManxPower | try it and see |
| 23:05.29 | E-bola | so the queue , feeds the phone with extension 901 1 call a a time, and when it starts ringing, the employees hears it over the speakers |
| 23:05.42 | E-bola | they then hit *8# and the call it transfered to them |
| 23:05.57 | E-bola | if there are more waiting in queue they are then transfered to the phone, and so on |
| 23:06.02 | E-bola | What do you guys think? |
| 23:07.16 | knarfly | can anyone help me with the zapateller exten |
| 23:07.31 | ManxPower | knarfly: exactly what help do you need? |
| 23:07.48 | knarfly | i want to filter callerid's to go to zapateller...the syntax I'm using is not working |
| 23:08.20 | ManxPower | knarfly: research the "ex-girlfriend" option on the mailinglist archives |
| 23:08.42 | *** join/#asterisk yannj_fr (n=yannj@vpn.intelunix.fr) |
| 23:08.50 | knarfly | where can I find the mailing list archives? |
| 23:09.17 | ManxPower | ~mailinglist |
| 23:09.18 | jbot | Search Asterisk mailing lists by prepending site:lists.digium.com to your Google search. Browse the mailing list archive at http://lists.digium.com/ or search through it at http://www.asteriskguru.com/archives, or and there is also the Macintosh Asterisk mailing list at http://www.astmasters.net/maml.htmm |
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| 23:13.45 | outtolunc | http://dynx.net/ASTERISK/diff-patches/res_features-parkedcall-any.diff |
| 23:13.55 | JymmmEMC | Any links for wifi phones by chance? |
| 23:14.22 | mvanbaak | JymmmEMC: did you look at http://www.voip-info.org |
| 23:14.29 | mvanbaak | there are some pages about wifi phones |
| 23:14.33 | JymmmEMC | looking... |
| 23:14.43 | mvanbaak | outtolunc: ???? |
| 23:14.46 | outtolunc | ebola that was for you |
| 23:14.53 | [TK]D-Fender | ~wifisip |
| 23:14.54 | jbot | Wi-Fi SIP phones suck. All of them. HARD. Some only slightly less than others... |
| 23:15.07 | mvanbaak | I have to agree with jbot |
| 23:15.11 | JymmmEMC | why? |
| 23:15.24 | JymmmEMC | latency? |
| 23:15.26 | mvanbaak | we found out the IP-DECT stuff is way more stable |
| 23:15.35 | outtolunc | that patch will let you do an exten => xx,1,ParkedCall(700) and it will pickup the first parked one it comes too |
| 23:15.38 | E-bola | outtolunc: thanks |
| 23:15.41 | [TK]D-Fender | JymmmEMC, battery life, lack of call handling, encrption support, etc. |
| 23:15.41 | mvanbaak | JymmmEMC: battery life, voice quality, stability |
| 23:16.04 | E-bola | outtolunc: i dont however think it takes care of the ringing part of the problem though |
| 23:16.37 | JymmmEMC | mvanbaak: [TK]D-Fender Are you spekaing in relation to a business aspect usage? |
| 23:16.42 | E-bola | Actualy i could do it without a phone hooked up to the stereo |
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| 23:16.46 | mvanbaak | we have very good experience with kirk and nec-philips |
| 23:16.51 | E-bola | i just need a software sip client to run on the asterisk server |
| 23:16.55 | outtolunc | i thought you were doing a loud speaker thing (which would be on the 'PARK' side of the call) |
| 23:16.59 | mvanbaak | JymmmEMC: talking about whatever setup |
| 23:17.08 | [TK]D-Fender | JymmmEMC, usage is usage. Sucks for one is sucks for all |
| 23:17.28 | mvanbaak | omg! call the papers, call CNN ! |
| 23:17.35 | E-bola | outtolunc: shortly described, i need a speaker to signal that there is an incoming call, instaid of letting all the phones in the office ring |
| 23:17.35 | mvanbaak | [TK]D-Fender and me finally agree on something ! |
| 23:17.36 | mvanbaak | lol |
| 23:17.39 | JymmmEMC | [TK]D-Fender: Well sitting on your own network, compared to a hot spot is a big difference |
| 23:18.03 | mvanbaak | JymmmEMC: no, all wifi phones are sucky. no matter where you are |
| 23:18.14 | E-bola | outtolunc: and when an incoming call is is signaled over the speaker system, any user shoult be able to pickup the incoming call, by dialing a simply code |
| 23:18.28 | [TK]D-Fender | JymmmEMC, then these si still the lack of call handling. ATA's are considerably better than WiFi SIp phones... |
| 23:18.38 | JymmmEMC | mvanbaak: Even the skype based ones that SMC netgear and the rest are selling? |
| 23:18.39 | mvanbaak | kirk++ |
| 23:19.08 | mvanbaak | JymmmEMC: skype is not voip. it's some messy protocol to call using your pc but that's it |
| 23:19.15 | mvanbaak | you cannot use it with asterisk at all |
| 23:19.18 | E-bola | outtolunc: Understand my problem? |
| 23:19.37 | JymmmEMC | mvanbaak: I understand it's not SIP, but a variant "wifi phone" |
| 23:20.30 | [TK]D-Fender | JymmmEMC, You seem unable to accept the rather candid opinions you've already received. There is no sense in trying to further convince you of anything. |
| 23:20.44 | mvanbaak | JymmmEMC: as far as I know, all those 'skype phones' are simply an usb soundcard with a phone for speaker and mic that you can use as audio in/output for your local skype client |
| 23:21.35 | JymmmEMC | mvanbaak: I meant like one of these http://www.news.com/Skype,-Netgear-to-launch-Wi-Fi-phone/2100-7352_3-6018508.html |
| 23:21.46 | mvanbaak | skype != asterisk |
| 23:21.59 | mvanbaak | for that kind of setup you better ask in #skype |
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| 23:25.23 | mvanbaak | I'm off to watch a movie |
| 23:25.27 | mvanbaak | see you tomorrow |
| 23:27.48 | JymmmEMC | mvanbaak: Actually, I was kinda-sorta looking for a 802.11 device that interconnects to PSTN somewhere down the line, and if it permitted the use of skype on it too, all the better. |
| 23:30.37 | JymmmEMC | Nugget: it doesn't see the hdd(s) at all? |
| 23:31.02 | Nugget | I'm not the OP, I'm the snarky, unhelpful troll in that exchange. |
| 23:31.49 | JymmmEMC | Nugget: Well unless I'm unaware of soemthing wouldn't help with an distro install be bettered served in a distro channel? |
| 23:32.20 | Nugget | I was also not asking for help. |
| 23:32.21 | Zipper_32 | Nugget: I laughed. |
| 23:32.25 | Nugget | thanks, Zipper. :) |
| 23:33.02 | JymmmEMC | Nugget: Wait, trying to install on a USB hdd??? |
| 23:34.39 | Nugget | man, you are seriously missing the point. |
| 23:34.44 | Nugget | nevermind, jeez. |
| 23:35.37 | JymmmEMC | Well, I do have a bootable install on a usbstick, but I wasn't sure if this is the same thing or not |
| 23:36.09 | Zipper_32 | JymmmEMC: He's trolling on the forum. He responded to the post. He is not requesting help. |
| 23:36.19 | Zipper_32 | That sound was the joke going over your head. |
| 23:36.26 | Zipper_32 | *woosh* |
| 23:36.45 | JymmmEMC | Zipper_32: Boeng 737, 30,000 feet and climbing ;) |
| 23:37.07 | Nugget | track it on flightaware ;) |
| 23:37.07 | Zipper_32 | Approaching Cruising Altitude, =) |
| 23:37.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Ground control to Major Tom........... |
| 23:37.54 | JymmmEMC | I guess I deal with dumbasses far too much on a routine basis to actually get humor out of the sarcasim anymore. |
| 23:38.35 | JymmmEMC | Can you say BURN OUT boys and girls |
| 23:39.04 | Nugget | oh, maybe you can help me then! |
| 23:39.14 | Nugget | I was having trouble with my Internet disk, and my hard drive, the small one, wasn't downloading my files, and my AOL wasn't logging onto Google. And I think my password had a virus. |
| 23:39.18 | JymmmEMC | "You have to provide your own DNS services" "How do I do that?" D'OH |
| 23:39.30 | Nugget | 'm a total computer boob, but my nephew works out at the Best Buy and he's a total whiz. |
| 23:39.40 | JymmmEMC | Nugget: Do you still have the boxes your computer came in? |
| 23:39.41 | Nugget | he knows EVERYTHING about computers, and Excel, so I had him come over. He said I had to reformat my CPU, start everything over, and he did it, but now my disk doesn't work at all and my Windows is weird and I can't log on to my Web and none of my programs will download. How much do you charge to fix that? |
| 23:40.20 | JymmmEMC | Nugget: First born, |
| 23:41.01 | JymmmEMC | Well, the SAD part are these "people" are suppose to know what they're doing. |
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| 23:42.49 | JymmmEMC | Nugget: "We were down for 300mS, we want to know why and what are you doing so this doens't happen again" |
| 23:43.00 | JymmmEMC | NO SHIT |
| 23:43.04 | Nugget | heh |
| 23:43.16 | JymmmEMC | ALL SERIOUSNESS in that, all the time too |
| 23:43.38 | outtolunc | you are down for 300ms all the time <G> |
| 23:43.54 | JymmmEMC | outtolunc: Sometimes I wish we were =) |
| 23:44.36 | Nugget | we get calls at flightaware all the time from confused people who think we're airport lost and found, or think they can guy a plane ticket from us. |
| 23:44.44 | Nugget | er, buy. |
| 23:44.57 | Nugget | they google for "delta flight 92" or whatever and there we are |
| 23:45.01 | JymmmEMC | "Do you have a router/firewall in place that has adative filtering? As we show that you had continous traffic levels at 5MB/s and higher for the last 96 hours" |
| 23:45.19 | JymmmEMC | NO REPLY |
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| 23:47.13 | `Sauron | Nugget: Complimentary VRU: foreach $AIRLINE; do VRU("If you wish to speak with $AIRLINE, please enter $DIGIT"); done |
| 23:47.25 | JymmmEMC | "We hard a serious spike in traffic for 6 hours, why was this?" (Um, you uploaded now crap to your servers and ppl are looking at it?!) |
| 23:47.27 | `Sauron | psaurocode |
| 23:47.28 | Nugget | not a bad idea, really. |
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