| 00:02.25 | CoffeeIV | on this page http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+Dialplan+Globals global variables are set using a "var => value" syntax, in the O'Reilly asterisk book and the Paul Mahler asterisk book they are set using a "var=value" syntax |
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| 00:04.42 | trixjames | ok knows where to get a copy of NVlinedetect as newman tech have not come back to me |
| 00:04.48 | phocus | i have my softphones working fine, now i have one phone, outside of my network, it calls a number (like my cellphone) the phone rings, and i answer and they cant hear me, and i cant hear them, but the sound hardware on that end is working fine |
| 00:05.06 | JT | CoffeeIV: you can set variables in dialplan too as well as in the globals section |
| 00:06.29 | phocus | anyone please |
| 00:06.35 | CoffeeIV | if you are accessing a variable from an AGI script, is there a difference in how you access a global dialplan variable versus a channel variable ? |
| 00:06.54 | JT | read, no, write, yes |
| 00:07.06 | CoffeeIV | thanks -- I just want read |
| 00:08.35 | trixjames | phocus one idea have you checked your firewall to see if it is bloging any thing |
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| 00:09.07 | phocus | trixjames what ports should i open besides 5060 |
| 00:09.13 | JT | i'd be annoyed if my firewall started blogging for me |
| 00:09.19 | JT | 10000-20000 |
| 00:09.27 | JT | udp |
| 00:09.35 | phocus | JT do you use shorewall by chance? |
| 00:09.44 | JT | no |
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| 00:18.21 | phocus | done |
| 00:18.29 | phocus | trixjames done, anything lese? |
| 00:18.45 | phocus | else |
| 00:21.57 | trixjames | retest ps check the firewall log and see if any packets are getting dropped for that remote ip |
| 00:22.15 | phocus | i am not getting anything in the lpg |
| 00:22.17 | phocus | log |
| 00:22.40 | trixjames | not even the connection to show the phone is registered ? |
| 00:23.16 | phocus | i cant |
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| 00:33.09 | samy_b1 | hi all |
| 00:33.28 | carrar | I'm not all, but I'll say hi back |
| 00:33.53 | all | hi |
| 00:34.28 | samy_b1 | is there any diffrnets when you register a sip trunk that requires md5 and the regular one |
| 00:34.29 | samy_b1 | ? |
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| 00:35.22 | carrar | i don't think there is, other then there is a secret password |
| 00:35.28 | ptiggerdine_ | i gather you mean md5 password over a plain text password? |
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| 00:35.56 | samy_b1 | yes |
| 00:36.10 | samy_b1 | i have a did that supports md5 |
| 00:36.15 | samy_b1 | and i can't register to it |
| 00:36.22 | samy_b1 | on the regular way |
| 00:36.29 | carrar | they doing md5 on the other end also? |
| 00:36.38 | samy_b1 | yes |
| 00:36.43 | carrar | are you sure? |
| 00:36.48 | samy_b1 | whell |
| 00:36.58 | carrar | they would have to make a switch |
| 00:37.03 | carrar | mode none md5 |
| 00:37.05 | carrar | too md5 |
| 00:37.06 | samy_b1 | i can see it in the sip debug msgs |
| 00:38.01 | samy_b1 | so |
| 00:38.09 | samy_b1 | do i do somting spacia to register or not |
| 00:39.01 | samy_b1 | i mean is that the right way |
| 00:39.02 | samy_b1 | register => user[:secret[:authuser]]@host[:port]8 |
| 00:39.08 | CoffeeIV | I tracked down the source of my issue with dialplan variables -- apparently an asterisk-perl AGI script can't read variables if you do an $AGI->verbose() before reading the first variable |
| 00:40.24 | carrar | You are using "md5secret"? |
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| 00:41.52 | samy_b1 | after register => user |
| 00:41.57 | carrar | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+sip+md5secret |
| 00:41.59 | samy_b1 | or in my sip settings |
| 00:42.07 | trixjames | does any one have a copy of NVLineDetect ? |
| 00:42.59 | redax | what is the best way to do ring target ext for 60seconds, but after 5seconds ring a few more exts too |
| 00:43.26 | redax | doing a Dial(SIP/ext&some@Local/othercontext) |
| 00:43.40 | redax | and wait somehow in othercontext is a very bad idea? |
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| 00:44.15 | carrar | redax, thats what i do |
| 00:44.25 | carrar | in othercontext I do a chanisavil |
| 00:44.27 | carrar | wait |
| 00:44.29 | carrar | then ring |
| 00:44.55 | redax | ah. but I'd like to ring the other exts after ~5-10 seconds |
| 00:45.03 | samy_b1 | carrar |
| 00:45.10 | carrar | just put the wait |
| 00:45.12 | carrar | for what you want |
| 00:45.19 | redax | no pain at all? |
| 00:45.21 | samy_b1 | i tred that already but is not geting me registerd |
| 00:45.26 | carrar | if the other channel answers it will hang theo ther up |
| 00:45.31 | redax | what about if primary ext picks up? |
| 00:45.40 | redax | aha. |
| 00:45.52 | carrar | i do that for like DESK, softclient, cell |
| 00:45.55 | carrar | all the same way |
| 00:46.06 | carrar | 1st check to make sure they are registered |
| 00:46.28 | redax | basicly I want to ring the primary ext with "ringtone" meanwhile the others silently... |
| 00:46.34 | carrar | no use having more errors then necessary on thescreen :) |
| 00:46.40 | redax | that's why I need this "cheat" |
| 00:47.30 | redax | like setting ALERT_INFO int to othercontext and Dial the rest of the extensions... |
| 00:47.43 | carrar | yeah I don't like that |
| 00:47.52 | carrar | only because it works like crap on cisco's |
| 00:48.10 | redax | ehh. I want this feature on linksys spa922's |
| 00:49.10 | redax | either way would be good to have some kind of feature to notify the secondary exts like incoming call for XY. and if they want they can pickup the call by *8 or whatever |
| 00:49.36 | carrar | You can set a caller id name |
| 00:49.40 | carrar | on theother ext |
| 00:50.19 | redax | sure. but the I don't want to ring them forever by dial(ext1&secondext1&secondext2...) |
| 00:51.08 | redax | the most annoying stuff is the `X missed calls' in their display |
| 00:51.32 | carrar | i think thats a product of the phone |
| 00:51.41 | redax | I'd be happy to ring some spa922 ext, without it notify the missed call |
| 00:51.48 | carrar | any call you send to the phone is gonna do that |
| 00:51.57 | redax | carrar: yah. that's it. |
| 00:52.46 | carrar | 941 & 942's do that also |
| 00:52.46 | carrar | then you loose two menu options |
| 00:52.47 | carrar | till you clear those |
| 00:52.47 | redax | yah. |
| 00:52.57 | redax | we bought a snom360, and I must say I like this phone. |
| 00:53.29 | redax | nice features, like the flexible button configs, (even you can have http ACTION_URL)\ |
| 00:53.36 | carrar | i hate the buttoms on the snom |
| 00:53.38 | redax | that's how I solved the nightmode lately |
| 00:53.55 | redax | but they have BLF |
| 00:54.06 | carrar | Polycoms do BLF the best |
| 00:54.09 | carrar | in my view |
| 00:54.26 | carrar | 601 with 3 sidecars |
| 00:54.29 | carrar | very nice |
| 00:54.34 | redax | do polycom has some `simple' BLF capable phone as well? |
| 00:54.39 | JT | snoms look pretty ugly |
| 00:54.49 | carrar | You can just get a 601 |
| 00:54.55 | carrar | has 6 buttons |
| 00:55.00 | carrar | make 2 incoming |
| 00:55.02 | carrar | 4 blf |
| 00:55.15 | carrar | or however you want to do it |
| 00:55.28 | carrar | nice ftp configs |
| 00:55.33 | carrar | for deployment |
| 00:55.42 | carrar | same with their IP conference phones |
| 00:55.50 | redax | $230... that's not what I say simple...\ |
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| 00:56.15 | carrar | I like a quality product that is manageable and flexible and doesn't break |
| 00:56.16 | redax | ok. same price like snom360 |
| 00:56.16 | redax | ... |
| 00:57.00 | carrar | it will cost more if you have to fix it |
| 00:57.02 | JT | snoms aren't price competitive imho |
| 00:58.06 | carrar | compaired to a shoretel $400 phone |
| 00:58.10 | carrar | I think they are |
| 00:58.13 | redax | absolutly no. |
| 00:58.19 | JT | compared to a polycom |
| 00:58.29 | JT | shoretel phones are shit expensive |
| 00:58.32 | JT | what's the point |
| 00:58.42 | carrar | they look pretty |
| 00:58.45 | carrar | sound great |
| 00:58.47 | carrar | heh |
| 00:58.55 | redax | if linksys spa*** would be more configureable, that would be price competitive |
| 00:58.59 | carrar | haven't gotten them to work with asterisk yet |
| 00:59.14 | syzygyBSD | trying to setup an asterisk to asterisk setup with a crossover but I keep getting the error, "we think were the cpe but they think they're the cpe" |
| 00:59.26 | carrar | 941's work great |
| 00:59.31 | carrar | mass deployable very easy |
| 00:59.59 | carrar | syz, once side has to be cpe |
| 01:00.01 | carrar | one side net |
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| 01:00.15 | syzygyBSD | which file? |
| 01:00.15 | carrar | and one side needs to provide clocking |
| 01:00.19 | redax | carrar: yeah. but they don't have neither a sendtext capability |
| 01:00.29 | JT | syzygyBSD: zaptel and zapata |
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| 01:00.41 | syzygyBSD | hmm, ok |
| 01:01.32 | JT | syzygyBSD: one must provide clocking, the other must accept clocking |
| 01:01.36 | JT | one must act as network |
| 01:01.37 | carrar | signalling = pri_net |
| 01:01.38 | carrar | signalling = pri_cpe |
| 01:01.40 | JT | one must act as cpe |
| 01:02.08 | syzygyBSD | awsome, thanks |
| 01:02.40 | syzygyBSD | something I can even test before I take the phones down again |
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| 01:03.48 | JT | syzygyBSD: well make sure you have a PRI crossover cable |
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| 01:04.57 | syzygyBSD | ya, made it myself, took 4 times |
| 01:04.58 | syzygyBSD | lol |
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| 01:05.08 | JT | i see |
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| 01:08.20 | tengulre | JT: how to cancel the echo ? |
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| 01:14.47 | Nugget | wwhhaatt ddooeess eecchhoo ccaanncceellaattiioonn ddoo?? |
| 01:14.58 | russellb | Nugget: cancels echo? |
| 01:15.49 | b1shop | anyone recommend a single port (CHEAP) fxs card for some sandbox testing? |
| 01:16.26 | redax | linksys spa3102? :) |
| 01:16.31 | trixjames | does any one have a copy of NVLineDetect ? |
| 01:17.25 | ManxPower | b1shop: there is no such thing |
| 01:17.50 | trixjames | Some one must have please check your systems for app_nv_linedetect.c |
| 01:18.11 | b1shop | ManxPower: lol. figured. only wanted to sandbox a couple analog phones |
| 01:18.40 | carrar | b1shop, TDM400P with 1 FXS card is cheap |
| 01:18.41 | carrar | (relative of course) |
| 01:20.04 | ManxPower | You can usually expect to pay about $100 per port. More per port for low number of ports. Less per port for high number of ports. |
| 01:20.31 | kvidell | holy hell |
| 01:20.34 | kvidell | lag 15.40 |
| 01:20.36 | kvidell | that can't be good |
| 01:20.42 | carrar | 15ms? |
| 01:20.52 | carrar | 15 mins |
| 01:21.08 | carrar | 15seconds? |
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| 01:24.13 | [TK]D-Fender | b1shop, I recommend against PCI FXS for 99% of cases. Get an SPA-2102. 2 FXS ports for $70. |
| 01:24.32 | b1shop | [TK]D-Fender: thanks. the price is perfect |
| 01:25.02 | b1shop | [TK]D-Fender: i'm *kinda* up and running btw. just having issues with not being able to make outbound calls from sip client |
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| 01:25.05 | JT | carrar: seconds |
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| 01:27.35 | redax | did you pressed the left button next to the nav ? |
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| 01:47.06 | syzygyBSD | :( couldn't get asterisk to pass calls over zap |
| 01:47.42 | syzygyBSD | never restarted the b channels after clearing the error, just kept having a note, "span 2 is up" or something |
| 01:48.29 | ManxPower | syzygyBSD: the only time I've seen that message over and over is a significant mismatch between zaptel version and asterisk version |
| 01:49.10 | syzygyBSD | hmm, tis possible, but I just restarted after my latest recompile |
| 01:49.23 | syzygyBSD | and it is only for 1 span |
| 01:49.40 | syzygyBSD | course, it could be my other asterisk box, I know it has been updated since last restart |
| 01:49.41 | ManxPower | you havre more than 1 PRI span? |
| 01:49.56 | syzygyBSD | 1 in 1 out, just a passthrough box for debugging |
| 01:50.21 | syzygyBSD | calls are being dropped, I need to know which side is causing the problems |
| 01:52.31 | syzygyBSD | how can you tell which version of zaptel is loaded? |
| 01:52.48 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 01:53.05 | tengulre | how to load custom music on hold files? |
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| 01:54.49 | ManxPower | syzygyBSD: as far as I know you can't. Maybe in the dmesg output |
| 01:55.06 | syzygyBSD | :( I have loaded and unloaded so many times since restart |
| 01:55.25 | ManxPower | syzygyBSD: busydetect and callprogress are just aliases for randomlydropmycalls=yes. You know that, right? |
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| 01:55.45 | syzygyBSD | can't convince my boss to get rid of those |
| 01:55.57 | ManxPower | get rid of what? |
| 01:56.04 | syzygyBSD | callprogress |
| 01:56.10 | ManxPower | then you will continue to drop calls. |
| 01:56.16 | ManxPower | callprogress is USELESS on PRIs |
| 01:56.34 | syzygyBSD | well then, I will just take it off and not tell him |
| 01:56.35 | ManxPower | busydetect is also useless on PRIs |
| 01:56.48 | ManxPower | syzygyBSD: misspell it. It won't generate an error. |
| 01:56.53 | ManxPower | callprogresss=yes |
| 01:57.01 | ManxPower | or calprogress=yes |
| 01:57.12 | JT | syzygyBSD: PRIs use out of band Q.931 signalling over the D channel |
| 01:57.28 | ManxPower | I believe you have to stop then start asterisk or unload chan_zap.so / load chan_zap.so to apply those changes. |
| 01:57.59 | syzygyBSD | ya, for some reason he wanted it, I don't know, I turned it off, I will let him bitch at me later |
| 01:58.08 | ManxPower | syzygyBSD: he must not have read the comments in the config file about these options. |
| 01:58.19 | Juggie | ManxPower, those settings wont affect pri though |
| 01:58.24 | Juggie | no harm in having them on or off |
| 01:58.27 | syzygyBSD | I did, but those comments weren't there when we set it up |
| 01:58.30 | ManxPower | Juggie: yes they will. |
| 01:59.05 | syzygyBSD | I trust manx, he has helped me many a time |
| 01:59.08 | ManxPower | A well known ITSP had callprogress enabled on their PRIs when they first started up. They, as expected, got randomly dropped calls until they removed. |
| 01:59.31 | ManxPower | syzygyBSD: make sure you don't have busydetect either |
| 01:59.32 | Juggie | ManxPower, ok, but i've never noticed a problem. |
| 01:59.37 | Juggie | and i've never touched those. |
| 01:59.39 | syzygyBSD | ya, that was already no |
| 01:59.58 | syzygyBSD | Juggie: are they set to yes? |
| 01:59.59 | ManxPower | if you don't have callprogress or busydetect then they default to off |
| 02:00.38 | Juggie | ManxPower, i would have to look tomorow @ work |
| 02:01.04 | Juggie | dont have access to the boxes, but if the default is off then thats probally what it is, i misread, though you were implying the default was on. |
| 02:01.12 | ManxPower | Juggie: what, you don't have 24 hr ssh access into the PBX at work? <tease> |
| 02:01.27 | ManxPower | Juggie: if the default was on all hell would break lose |
| 02:01.35 | Juggie | ManxPower: touche :P |
| 02:01.43 | Juggie | i'm tired from the gym, my mind is poop. |
| 02:01.50 | ManxPower | callprogress especially really fucks things up. |
| 02:01.55 | Mavvie | geez... just read the thread about "Docs converted to TeX" |
| 02:02.04 | Juggie | i'm suprised it would take effect on a pri though. |
| 02:02.06 | ManxPower | whigh is why the config file says not to use that. |
| 02:02.08 | Juggie | that seems like a bug to me |
| 02:02.12 | Mavvie | at least somebody understands the issue and promotes docbook. |
| 02:02.37 | Juggie | i cant imagine why we would try to detect call progress on a pri channel. |
| 02:02.39 | ManxPower | Mavvie: nothing like requiring a 150MB piece of software just to read the damn docs. |
| 02:03.02 | ManxPower | Mavvie: I don't CARE what the main format is, as long as they ship plaintext docs. |
| 02:03.24 | Mavvie | ManxPower: documentation should be supplied in the distribution tarballs, not compiled on the machines itself. |
| 02:03.36 | ManxPower | Mavvie: exactly |
| 02:03.59 | Juggie | txt should come w/ the tarball |
| 02:04.07 | Juggie | and there should be an asterisk-docs package |
| 02:05.10 | Juggie | if you want to voice concern, yell @ russell |
| 02:05.56 | Juggie | infact, i would encourage you to do it just for fun :> |
| 02:06.46 | JT | i agree, plaintext should be included with tarball |
| 02:08.21 | ManxPower | Say that on the -dev mailing list. |
| 02:08.30 | ManxPower | They seem to think that HTML docs are OK. |
| 02:08.40 | JT | i'm not on the lists |
| 02:08.41 | JT | hrm |
| 02:08.51 | ManxPower | Have they even navigated thru a complex web page with a text browser |
| 02:09.05 | JT | as you were saying, i don't care what bells and whistles they use as long as up to date plaintext is also provided |
| 02:09.33 | ManxPower | JT: I need to update my mailinglist filters to filter out AsteriskGUI, AsteriskNOW, and various other things I don't care about. |
| 02:09.40 | JT | heh |
| 02:10.00 | JT | i don't know if i care for the massive volume of asterisk lists... |
| 02:10.04 | ManxPower | about 1/3 of the mailing list messages are sent directly to my trash folder. |
| 02:10.16 | Juggie | ManxPower, are you lucky enough to use gmail? |
| 02:10.19 | ManxPower | G729, h323, sccp, skinny, etc all get tossed out |
| 02:10.23 | ManxPower | Juggie: No, |
| 02:10.29 | ManxPower | I run my own mail server. |
| 02:10.35 | *** part/#asterisk BSD_Tech (n=BSDTech@adsl-69-230-174-37.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 02:10.46 | Juggie | ManxPower, i've given up... i just use google apps |
| 02:10.47 | JT | hah |
| 02:10.49 | Juggie | they do a better job then me |
| 02:11.03 | Juggie | why bother, if someone is going to give me unlimited accounts @ 2gb each |
| 02:11.04 | Juggie | for free. |
| 02:11.10 | tengulre | I have a wav file how to make music on hold with it ? |
| 02:11.24 | Juggie | tengulre: www.voip-info.org |
| 02:11.47 | ManxPower | Juggie: Does Google support IMAP over SSL? |
| 02:12.05 | Juggie | ManxPower, not yet, but i hear its comming. |
| 02:12.20 | ManxPower | I'll reconsider when they do. |
| 02:12.46 | Juggie | they already have pop/smtp as you know, but i read that imap was in the works. |
| 02:12.50 | ManxPower | The other issue is importing 8 years of e-mail. |
| 02:13.01 | ManxPower | Juggie: I've not used POP in 15 years |
| 02:13.01 | Juggie | ManxPower, i did that last week... |
| 02:13.01 | syzygyBSD | zaptel version is 1.2.16 with asterisk 1.2.17 |
| 02:13.10 | Juggie | well, a few weeks ago. |
| 02:13.14 | syzygyBSD | :( version mismatch would have been nice |
| 02:13.18 | Juggie | it took like a day. |
| 02:13.19 | ManxPower | syzygyBSD: one would hope those are close enough |
| 02:13.21 | Juggie | but it was worth it. |
| 02:13.27 | Juggie | gmail only polls 200emails @ a time. |
| 02:13.34 | syzygyBSD | ManxPower: newest zaptel when I downloaded newest asterisk |
| 02:13.36 | Juggie | and it had to download 2500 :) |
| 02:14.00 | ManxPower | syzygyBSD: we had problems with .17 and .18. All the crashes went away when we went back to .15 |
| 02:14.02 | syzygyBSD | btw , modinfo gives version number |
| 02:14.03 | JT | pissweak ;) |
| 02:14.04 | ManxPower | (asteirsk versions) |
| 02:14.36 | syzygyBSD | no crashes, just now working with zaptel well, just a configuration error but I don't care anymore |
| 02:14.41 | JT | one of my mailboxes has 110000 messages, another has 17000 or so, the rest are less than 5000 so not worth counting |
| 02:14.41 | syzygyBSD | g'night all |
| 02:14.46 | syzygyBSD | deal with it in the morning |
| 02:15.06 | ManxPower | I never understood why in these modern times ANYONE would consider POP3 an acceptable solution to anything. |
| 02:15.13 | ManxPower | JT: did the dates get messed up? |
| 02:15.15 | syzygyBSD | ManxPower: I still use it |
| 02:15.23 | JT | ManxPower: ? |
| 02:15.32 | ManxPower | syzygyBSD: How do you deal with storing folders on your pop3 server? |
| 02:15.55 | syzygyBSD | lol, oh, I have gmail download from my other servers via pop3 |
| 02:15.58 | ManxPower | JT: I helped someone migrate his mail from my server to gmail and in gmail the dates on the messages were all the current date. |
| 02:16.00 | Mavvie | there is a difference between client mail retrieval and client mail storage. |
| 02:16.16 | ManxPower | mail should not be stored on the client. |
| 02:16.26 | JT | ManxPower: i don't migrate mail to gmail |
| 02:16.49 | ManxPower | JT: Then how did you import 1100 messages into gmail? |
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| 02:17.06 | JT | ManxPower: well gmail is both a client and a server, so i guess syzygyBSD is storing them on a server |
| 02:17.13 | JT | ManxPower: i didn't, that was someone else |
| 02:17.21 | ManxPower | Sorry. |
| 02:17.23 | ManxPower | Juggie then |
| 02:17.48 | puzzled | ManxPower: doesn't gmail support imap too? in that case it would be a breeze |
| 02:17.53 | ManxPower | I have a perfectly fine e-mail client. It is called "Thunderbird" and is available for free. |
| 02:18.10 | JT | i have a fine one too |
| 02:18.14 | JT | it's called "mutt" |
| 02:18.16 | JT | also free |
| 02:18.17 | JT | :) |
| 02:18.17 | ManxPower | puzzled: according to Juggie it does not support IMAP over SSL |
| 02:18.24 | ManxPower | as a server |
| 02:18.32 | puzzled | ah ok |
| 02:18.58 | Juggie | ManxPower, i manage a number of domains volonteerly, so, i dont want to hassle with updating virus checker, spam assasin, etc... just pointing @ gmail and giving users access to the simple admin interface is easier. |
| 02:19.03 | ManxPower | I want to access my messages using my preferred e-mail client, Thunderbird, not some silly web based interface |
| 02:19.13 | Juggie | they get pop/webmail, i can create mail.domain.com (which points to gmail) etc. |
| 02:19.20 | Juggie | yes, imap would be nice though. |
| 02:19.45 | ManxPower | My users would stop using e-mail on my domain if I moved to gmail as the server |
| 02:19.57 | ManxPower | Too many of them use Mutt |
| 02:20.10 | Juggie | i bet 95% of the people i deal with have never heard of imap |
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| 02:20.57 | Mavvie | they do here... but the stupid helpdesk here tells them to use the POP server because they don't understand it :-( |
| 02:21.58 | JT | if you're an isp, users pulling with POP3 is great because they usually delete emails off servers |
| 02:22.53 | Juggie | yeah, normally downloading a pop mail w/ a pop client = deleting off the pop server |
| 02:22.56 | Mavvie | but we're not a normal ISP. |
| 02:22.58 | Juggie | unless you change the default config. |
| 02:23.22 | Juggie | ManxPower, gmail doesnt support imap as a client, or a server. |
| 02:23.27 | Juggie | but as i said, rumors are its coming. |
| 02:23.31 | JT | ManxPower: that's why i used the "if" clause |
| 02:23.33 | Juggie | its been the #1 requested feature for a while. |
| 02:23.49 | Juggie | and w/ people actually paying for google apps, i imagine they are asking for it too. |
| 02:23.54 | puzzled | maybe they used gmailfs to upload an mbox file |
| 02:23.54 | JT | along with gmail Paper? ;) |
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| 02:38.09 | ManxPower | Juggie: as I said, I'll look at the idea again when they do support IMAP over SSL as a server. |
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| 02:57.21 | PioneerVM2 | anyone here us AGN networks as a sip provider? |
| 02:58.15 | [TK]D-Fender | PioneerVM2, I have 1 customer who's happy wih them |
| 02:58.25 | PioneerVM2 | do you happen to have the config for them |
| 02:58.39 | PioneerVM2 | im having trouble A) registering in sip (although i can make calls) and B) passing caller ID info |
| 02:58.40 | [TK]D-Fender | PioneerVM2, not offhand |
| 02:58.58 | PioneerVM2 | what does registering do for me |
| 02:59.08 | PioneerVM2 | i am not "registered" but can make calls |
| 02:59.47 | docelmo | PioneerVM2 I am in contract talks with them. Test so far was good |
| 03:00.01 | PioneerVM2 | did you get register to work docelmo? |
| 03:00.08 | PioneerVM2 | i cant find any asterisk config lines |
| 03:00.51 | docelmo | I dont register.. |
| 03:00.51 | PioneerVM2 | ok |
| 03:00.52 | PioneerVM2 | did u get caller ID setting to work? |
| 03:00.52 | docelmo | yes.. but then again I am a wholesale provider |
| 03:00.52 | PioneerVM2 | hm |
| 03:00.52 | docelmo | So I didnt use standard methods to test |
| 03:00.52 | PioneerVM2 | Im having this caller ID issue with both VoicePulse and AGN in 1.4.4 |
| 03:01.04 | docelmo | How many minutes do you have? |
| 03:01.13 | PioneerVM2 | im on the trial period for them right now |
| 03:01.21 | docelmo | Is this for a home system or business? |
| 03:01.21 | PioneerVM2 | just set it up today |
| 03:01.25 | PioneerVM2 | business |
| 03:01.47 | PioneerVM2 | im just testing all features and building out code for a business using VOIP |
| 03:07.56 | linagee | so who has nortel's panties in a bind? :( |
| 03:08.23 | linagee | "Nortel Strong-Arms Open Source Vendor Fonality" |
| 03:08.39 | JT | what's happening? |
| 03:08.52 | linagee | JT: article on slashdot |
| 03:09.08 | linagee | JT: http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/voip/nortel-strong-arms-open-source-vendor.asp |
| 03:10.06 | linagee | JT: someone chose fonality and blogged about it, then nortel got all upset and tries to pressure the company to retract their comment |
| 03:10.25 | Hmmhesays | blahbitty blah blah |
| 03:10.32 | linagee | heh. yeah. |
| 03:11.18 | JT | hah |
| 03:11.27 | JT | emotel |
| 03:12.15 | Hmmhesays | I think I've designed the perfect guitar pick |
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| 03:16.10 | linagee | JT: emotel? is that some sort of emotional telephone hardware? |
| 03:16.22 | linagee | "you hurt my feelings. i'm not going to work today. :(" |
| 03:16.29 | JT | or emotional telco |
| 03:16.42 | JT | "what the hell, competition? i'm sad and upset" |
| 03:16.48 | linagee | JT: they'd want you to think, "what's the difference" heh. ;) |
| 03:16.58 | linagee | telco hardware, telco, what's the difference? ;) |
| 03:17.11 | linagee | it's all ma bell, right? :) |
| 03:17.44 | linagee | JT: i am of course referring to the average person who would give a confused look if you said the word "PBX" |
| 03:18.50 | linagee | JT: .... |
| 03:19.06 | linagee | JT: if all companies start reading blogs about them, actually i think we will start seeing a lot more "emo-companies" |
| 03:19.20 | linagee | like, "huh? that's not us! we don't suck that hard!" heh |
| 03:19.26 | JT | heh |
| 03:21.12 | linagee | JT: in all seriousness, i've never heard of fonality before. this is some excellent PR for them. heh |
| 03:22.28 | JT | i've heard of them, they make FOP, and their own ast frontend, that a few people have come here with problems to try and resolve |
| 03:24.36 | linagee | JT: oh wow. hahaha. i've actually read the article and it seems even more hilarious now. :) |
| 03:24.54 | linagee | nortel: 'Why are you returning?' |
| 03:25.05 | linagee | nortel: “You can’t change your mind. That’s not how our terms and conditions work.†|
| 03:25.17 | linagee | nortel: “We also want a retraction of your press release about how the Fonality system was more affordable and easier to use than Nortel.†|
| 03:25.22 | linagee | lol |
| 03:26.00 | linagee | blade: “Why?†|
| 03:26.06 | linagee | nortel: “Because you didn’t follow our internal process for authorizing a press release.†|
| 03:26.20 | linagee | blade: “But it is *your* internal process |
| 03:26.21 | linagee | lol |
| 03:26.36 | JT | blade: lol, ur blocked now |
| 03:27.09 | linagee | JT: more like, hahaha, we're saving thousands of dollars by not using you and have a whole bunch of geek users in #asterisk behind us now. |
| 03:27.24 | JT | heh |
| 03:27.45 | linagee | JT: a nortel following would be entirely composed of PHBs |
| 03:28.31 | JT | this is a forward looking statement and nortel disclaims any and all liability from the factuality of this statement |
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| 03:29.36 | JT | "forward looking statement" is the biggest copout i've seen around, heh |
| 03:33.08 | linagee | JT: it does sound like a company that will choose oracle versus mysql or postgresql. heh |
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| 03:33.32 | linagee | JT: there is this wonder "CYA" factor when you talking about going to a larger fish and that tempts a lot of PHBs. |
| 03:33.44 | JT | shrug, i haven't actually seen "forward looking statement" used here, but have seen it in a couple of business press releases |
| 03:34.05 | JT | heh |
| 03:34.17 | linagee | JT: it's true with server platforms and storage providers as well |
| 03:34.19 | JT | some companies just try to play vendors against each other in a bidding war |
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| 03:35.07 | dsmith__ | hi |
| 03:35.22 | linagee | JT: heh. of course. it's not like going to a different gas station. there's a lot of overhead involved in switching one to the other. sometimes a lot of the overhead is done by the vendor themselves. (installation, sales teams, phone calls, etc.) |
| 03:35.27 | dsmith__ | I have a question if anyone cares to respond |
| 03:35.58 | dsmith__ | DOes anyone know of ALtigen PBX? |
| 03:36.12 | linagee | never heard of it |
| 03:36.50 | dsmith__ | we have been using it for a few years now and its way over priced IMO |
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| 03:37.48 | dsmith__ | anyone know of a dual PSU server? |
| 03:38.05 | Strom_C | there are plenty |
| 03:38.06 | linagee | JT: that's kind of wierd if one vendor will knock some money off the bill for the customer if they completely ignore another vendor. lol. (for instance, in service contracts or something else that's a reoccuring charge) |
| 03:38.24 | linagee | JT: i think it even happens with coke/pepsi. |
| 03:38.41 | JT | linagee: i was thinking more "OMG WE'RE GOING LINUX" and MS coming and almost giving their stuff away |
| 03:38.42 | dsmith__ | Strom_C: Vendor name? HP perhaps or Dell? |
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| 03:38.50 | linagee | dsmith__: choose a server vendor and they probably have dual PSUs |
| 03:39.00 | JT | dsmith__: be more specific on your requirements, there are a LOT |
| 03:39.09 | linagee | dsmith__: yes. those would be the big names. could be or could not be the best. it just depends. ;) |
| 03:39.19 | dsmith__ | linagee: ok, I have never bothered in looking but if memopry serves me Dell does have a few |
| 03:39.25 | JT | ibm is another big server name too |
| 03:39.30 | JT | dsmith__: they ALL have them |
| 03:39.32 | linagee | JT: hahahah. use that as a trick to get stuff cheap. :) |
| 03:39.39 | JT | dsmith__: nothing unusual |
| 03:39.59 | linagee | JT: call up your microsoft sales team and say, "you know, we have been exploring what we could do extra if we had all linux" |
| 03:40.00 | linagee | lol |
| 03:40.12 | dsmith__ | get this, to upgrade from a single drive W2K server 1GHZ machine will cost us $11K |
| 03:40.27 | dsmith__ | going toa raid 1 5U Dual PSU |
| 03:40.45 | JT | dsmith__: to upgrade to what? |
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| 03:40.54 | JT | USD$11k is quite high end |
| 03:40.59 | linagee | JT: i bet eventually they would become less responsive at your attempts to jab a cheaper price. then you call their bluff and actually do switch to linux. :) |
| 03:41.00 | dsmith__ | just VOIP, and what I formnetioned |
| 03:41.05 | dsmith__ | *forementioned |
| 03:41.19 | JT | dsmith__: processors, storage, etc |
| 03:41.21 | JT | ram |
| 03:41.36 | dsmith__ | bland stuff, nothing out of the ordinary |
| 03:41.37 | linagee | JT: voip cards |
| 03:41.46 | dsmith__ | vendor would not say anything baout the mobo etc.... |
| 03:41.47 | linagee | dsmith__: what is the most expensive part in all of that |
| 03:41.49 | JT | all you've said so far is raid1, 5RU and dual psu |
| 03:41.56 | dsmith__ | oh yea VOIP |
| 03:42.05 | JT | linagee: or pri cards perhaps |
| 03:42.06 | linagee | dsmith__: well that's something you weren't doing before, right? |
| 03:42.11 | dsmith__ | Let me copy the quote and I will let you know later |
| 03:42.20 | linagee | JT: indeed. some specialized cards could be quite pricey. (thousands a piece all by themselves) |
| 03:42.21 | dsmith__ | no, but it should not cost $11k |
| 03:42.37 | JT | dsmith__: does it have telephony cards? |
| 03:42.47 | dsmith__ | the box we have now does 3 boards |
| 03:43.01 | dsmith__ | give me a few weeks and I will figure all this stuff out |
| 03:43.07 | JT | the quoted system, does the quote include telephony cards? |
| 03:43.08 | linagee | dsmith__: can they be reused or is there a good reason to be getting new cards...? |
| 03:43.35 | dsmith__ | JT: I have to check and see exactly, gimmie a day |
| 03:43.49 | dsmith__ | linaagee: I am not sure.. |
| 03:43.52 | linagee | dsmith__: will you be ebaying off your old system and where can i pick it up for $5. :) |
| 03:43.58 | dsmith__ | LOL |
| 03:44.23 | JT | dsmith__: unless it has some really high density telephony cards, you should be able to get suitable hardware for significantly cheaper |
| 03:44.24 | dsmith__ | not sure, I have not thought about what to do with the old machine hmmmm |
| 03:44.28 | dsmith__ | Profit! |
| 03:44.31 | KaiHanari | im looking for a decent canadian provider. not so much canadian, but designed for canadians, as in, rates/ available #s (if you want incoming) any suggestions? |
| 03:44.47 | dsmith__ | JT: That is what I was thinking |
| 03:45.04 | linagee | JT: exactly. what's the reason they are going with new cards. (unless there is some new *must have* feature) |
| 03:45.05 | dsmith__ | I have kept my eye on asterisk |
| 03:45.13 | JT | dsmith__: brand name servers with redundant psus and raid usually start at USD$3k, non brand name, less |
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| 03:45.29 | dsmith__ | jt: OK |
| 03:45.56 | linagee | dsmith__: start adding fastest processors and maxing out the storage in the box and you could maybe get up to $7k or so |
| 03:45.57 | dsmith__ | All we need is perhaps a raid 1 and dual PSU |
| 03:46.11 | dsmith__ | what kernel is asterisk |
| 03:46.14 | dsmith__ | 2.4? |
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| 03:46.19 | linagee | dsmith__: huh? |
| 03:46.20 | JT | 2.6 is better |
| 03:46.26 | linagee | what kernel is asterisk? |
| 03:46.31 | JT | yes raid 1 and redundant psu is the go |
| 03:47.02 | dsmith__ | kernel version of linux |
| 03:47.05 | JT | linagee: a good way to jack up the price is to add tape drives, 15k rpm drives, infiniband controllers, LOM, etc |
| 03:47.16 | linagee | dsmith__: what about a linux kernel |
| 03:48.17 | JT | ~thebook |
| 03:48.44 | jbot | somebody said thebook was a book called Asterisk: The Future of Telephony which is found at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=11 |
| 03:48.44 | dsmith__ | are there any asterisk consultants? |
| 03:48.44 | dsmith__ | I just downloaded that |
| 03:48.44 | Strom_C | I'm an asterisk consultant |
| 03:48.44 | JT | a few actually |
| 03:48.45 | dsmith__ | 376 pages |
| 03:48.45 | dsmith__ | lol |
| 03:48.46 | JT | dsmith__: you don't have to read cover to cover |
| 03:49.21 | dsmith__ | let me remote onto my work terminal and pull the vendor quote back to us |
| 03:49.23 | dsmith__ | brb |
| 03:51.21 | linagee | dsmith__: i suppose the question you might be asking is, "what is the best linux kernel to be using along with asterisk" |
| 03:51.44 | linagee | (really any kernel could be used, AFAIK. just depending on if you are using certain kernel modules or not) |
| 03:54.42 | rudholm | I use a 64-bit kernel and I wish I hadn't. |
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| 03:55.30 | linagee | rudholm: what problems does that cause? |
| 03:55.52 | KaiHanari | how do you set a variable for use later in an extension, in my case i want to save ${CALLERIDNUM} as a string. im framiliar with scripting, just not sure how asterisk wants it done... |
| 03:55.52 | dsmith__ | ok the machine is a 5U frame, 512 RAM, 2x40GB IDE Raid 1 Dual PSU, win2k |
| 03:56.04 | JT | dsmith__: wow, that's really shit |
| 03:56.11 | rudholm | linagee: well, for one, Digium's HPEC doesn't work on it. |
| 03:56.13 | dsmith__ | thats what I said |
| 03:56.14 | dsmith__ | lol |
| 03:56.37 | JT | dsmith__: depending on processor, not work more than $1-2k |
| 03:56.44 | JT | if brand new |
| 03:56.57 | linagee | win2k? |
| 03:57.01 | linagee | wtf? |
| 03:57.02 | dsmith__ | will asterisk integrate with CRM programs? |
| 03:57.13 | linagee | dsmith__: define "will it integrate" |
| 03:57.33 | linagee | dsmith__: if you mean, "can you strap a coder to a seat and get him to join the two programs", the answer is probably yes. ;) |
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| 03:57.45 | dsmith__ | someone calls from some telephone number, the system opens up the contact in ACT, Goldmine, OUtlokk...etc. |
| 03:58.02 | linagee | dsmith__: if you want something predone, go buy a fonality |
| 03:58.19 | linagee | dsmith__: or else you will just have to use the AGI interface (atm machine) to do those things |
| 03:58.25 | dsmith__ | i just read about that name this evening |
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| 03:58.29 | Strom_C | ugh |
| 03:58.33 | Strom_C | fonality is the dumps |
| 03:58.36 | linagee | :) |
| 03:58.56 | Strom_C | switchvox, perhaps? |
| 03:58.57 | JT | linagee: AMI would probably be better than AGI |
| 03:58.57 | dsmith__ | well its not like we would miss that functionality |
| 03:58.59 | JT | Nortel? :P |
| 03:59.00 | linagee | with bells and whistles he stated pre-done |
| 03:59.07 | dsmith__ | saving $11K would be nice |
| 03:59.16 | linagee | JT: haven't played with AMI yet. ;) |
| 03:59.20 | dsmith__ | nortel: hevy handedness |
| 03:59.25 | dsmith__ | *heavy |
| 03:59.34 | linagee | JT: nortel. heretic! lol |
| 03:59.40 | JT | linagee: well it can act on events without an action in the dialplan |
| 04:00.03 | linagee | JT: yep |
| 04:00.22 | Hmmhesays | that criss angel stuff is nuts |
| 04:00.25 | linagee | JT: how much did nortel promise you to suggest them? heh. 10%? :) |
| 04:00.35 | JT | :P |
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| 04:01.05 | linagee | JT: i would have asked for 20%. there's plenty frosting on their cake. :) |
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| 04:05.33 | dsmith__ | can asterisk function in a 1U server? |
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| 04:05.48 | dsmith__ | I dont thinkthat there would be room for the cards |
| 04:06.08 | rudholm | depends on the cards and the 1U server |
| 04:06.16 | dsmith__ | ok |
| 04:06.16 | linagee | JT: LOL! more nortel fun |
| 04:07.11 | linagee | JT: maybe nortel switched off their phone during the conversation and said, "who's it going to be now beeach. us or open source?" their dial tone was promptly returned when they made the "right" decision. |
| 04:07.38 | linagee | JT: now *that's* strong arming. :) |
| 04:07.51 | dsmith__ | lol |
| 04:08.56 | linagee | dsmith__: 1U or not, depends on your needs. you could stick one T1 card in there and be perfectly happy with 23 (?) lines |
| 04:09.19 | dsmith__ | could you use reg. cable connection? |
| 04:09.25 | linagee | dsmith__: ? |
| 04:09.34 | dsmith__ | I mentioned about we would pobably need to upgrade to a t1 |
| 04:09.48 | linagee | dsmith__: are you asking a question about arbitrary hardware in general? i don't see how anyone could answer that |
| 04:10.06 | dsmith__ | you said t1 card |
| 04:10.08 | [TK]D-Fender | linagee, Or in a decent 1U w/ 2 slots, 2 x A108d = 368 channels of PRI ;) |
| 04:10.14 | dsmith__ | I was assuming you meant T1 |
| 04:10.24 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: whoa... nice. ;) |
| 04:10.33 | [TK]D-Fender | linagee, think BIG |
| 04:10.40 | dsmith__ | hmmm that is nice |
| 04:10.58 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: of course. i've just never heard of a "2 x A108d" card. (or maybe i just need to see a picture) |
| 04:11.36 | [TK]D-Fender | linagee, http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=1661 |
| 04:11.39 | linagee | oic. :) |
| 04:11.43 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: i googled. :) |
| 04:11.56 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: true... that would be nice. :) |
| 04:12.07 | dsmith__ | hmmmm |
| 04:12.14 | dsmith__ | thx for the website |
| 04:12.21 | linagee | dsmith__: and now you see why $11k? heh |
| 04:12.28 | dsmith__ | I am thinking all this could be done for around 4-5K |
| 04:12.29 | linagee | dsmith__: two of those cards would already be $9k. heh |
| 04:12.43 | dsmith__ | i amnot sure on the exact cards |
| 04:12.54 | linagee | dsmith__: what exactly are you trying to do (hopefully the guys that said $11k already asked this) |
| 04:13.06 | dsmith__ | upgrade our PBX server |
| 04:13.12 | linagee | dsmith__: too general |
| 04:13.17 | dsmith__ | it has (1) PSU and one drive |
| 04:13.17 | [TK]D-Fender | linagee, I jsut pointed to an 8 port digital card w/ HWEC... not overkill in the least! |
| 04:13.19 | dsmith__ | 3 cards |
| 04:13.20 | linagee | dsmith__: number of lines? |
| 04:13.26 | dsmith__ | ~15-20 |
| 04:14.31 | jbot | -5 |
| 04:14.32 | linagee | dsmith__: ... that could be handled with one T1 |
| 04:14.32 | linagee | dsmith__: do you need 15-20 lines at once, or do you have 15-20 handsets, or what? |
| 04:14.32 | dsmith__ | upgrade to VOIp |
| 04:14.33 | dsmith__ | we have perhaps ~15 lines active now |
| 04:14.33 | [TK]D-Fender | http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=2945 <- there |
| 04:14.33 | dsmith__ | w/ an overhead paging system |
| 04:14.33 | linagee | dsmith__: 15 lines at one time? how many handsets? |
| 04:14.33 | dsmith__ | same |
| 04:14.37 | dsmith__ | slightly less |
| 04:14.39 | linagee | dsmith__: ... if you only have 15 handsets, i don't see how it could be $11k |
| 04:14.44 | dsmith__ | i know |
| 04:14.51 | dsmith__ | I chocked when I saw the price |
| 04:14.54 | dsmith__ | *choked |
| 04:14.56 | linagee | dsmith__: unless you are planning for some major expansion |
| 04:15.13 | linagee | dsmith__: you'd only need one T1 card, and fractional T1 (depending on usage patterns) |
| 04:15.16 | dsmith__ | brb going to look at the boards in this quote |
| 04:15.19 | [TK]D-Fender | dsmith__, 3k for a polycom PoE solution for 15 users & 1 T1 w/ HWEC. Only csot is that + Server |
| 04:15.46 | [TK]D-Fender | dsmith__, http://voipstore.atacomm.com/Shops/Browse.aspx/27934028032-36931336704.htm |
| 04:16.00 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: "not overkill" hehehe. yeah. if you're talking a very large small business or a medium business. ;) |
| 04:16.04 | [TK]D-Fender | http://voipstore.atacomm.com/Shops/ViewItem.aspx/27934028032-57838514688.htm |
| 04:16.27 | linagee | dsmith__: do you have voip handsets? |
| 04:16.34 | dsmith__ | no |
| 04:16.35 | linagee | dsmith__: if you don't, i could see the number moving up to $11k |
| 04:16.44 | linagee | dsmith__: just depending on how nice of handsets. heh. ;) |
| 04:16.51 | linagee | ask the people in here what handset to get. lol |
| 04:17.53 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: 3k for 15 polycoms? heh. nice |
| 04:18.03 | linagee | $200/handset |
| 04:18.10 | dsmith__ | ok, boards: Triton 12 port VOIP, Triton T1/E1/PRI board |
| 04:18.12 | dsmith__ | thats it |
| 04:18.16 | dsmith__ | just 2 it seems |
| 04:18.18 | [TK]D-Fender | dsmith__, 15 x IP 320 ($95) + 24 port PoE switch ($425) + 1 port T1 card w/ HWEC ($1000) = $2580 in telecom gear. Add server and you're done |
| 04:18.39 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: in a nutshell, what is HWEC? |
| 04:18.49 | [TK]D-Fender | linagee, Hardware Echo Cancellation |
| 04:19.04 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: why a silly acronym? :) |
| 04:19.12 | [TK]D-Fender | linagee, Mean no hit or miss Zaptel. Done right in hardware to reduce server load |
| 04:19.13 | dsmith__ | handsets are altitouch and alti-ip $153 and $299 respectively |
| 04:19.46 | [TK]D-Fender | linagee, Its a common acronym |
| 04:20.08 | linagee | dsmith__: get a fractional T1, T1 card, ethernet (you probably already have this one) and lots of handsets. :) |
| 04:20.20 | [TK]D-Fender | dsmith__, Oh, and the Polycom's mean you won't need an overhead paging system in their area of coverage |
| 04:20.27 | KaiHanari | im looking for a nice outgoing provider that accepts paypal as payment. not sipdiscount. |
| 04:20.29 | linagee | dsmith__: put them all in a bag and shake and bake. bake at 400 degrees. |
| 04:20.34 | dsmith__ | lol |
| 04:20.35 | KaiHanari | any suggestions? |
| 04:20.38 | linagee | serves 15-20 |
| 04:21.36 | dsmith__ | what about cleint softare |
| 04:21.39 | JT | dsmith__: wait, are you saying you have more phone lines to the telco than extensions? |
| 04:21.40 | dsmith__ | and pl outside the LAN |
| 04:21.48 | dsmith__ | yes |
| 04:22.01 | linagee | dsmith__: why? |
| 04:22.06 | dsmith__ | 800 numbers |
| 04:22.10 | dsmith__ | and direct lines |
| 04:22.13 | linagee | dsmith__: ..... |
| 04:22.15 | JT | [TK]D-Fender: hey, you could put 480 channels in 1RU if you were lucky enough to be in an E1 country ;) |
| 04:22.26 | linagee | dsmith__: i think you're confused with "the good old days" of one pair = one phone number. heh |
| 04:22.41 | JT | dsmith__: i didn't ask about how many phone numbers, how many LINES/channels? |
| 04:22.47 | dsmith__ | oh one sec |
| 04:22.54 | raidenz | Using asteirsk 1.4, if a caller dials a certain extension, how can I make it secretly call another extension for that person to listen in? (so when one person calls another, it would connect them as usually but in the background, it would call another extension and when picked up, could listen to the conversation?) |
| 04:22.56 | dsmith__ | how many lines are in a phone cable bundle? |
| 04:22.59 | raidenz | err asterisk. |
| 04:23.02 | linagee | JT: "how many people will be talking at once" |
| 04:23.09 | linagee | dsmith__: infinite. how deep are your pockets. :) |
| 04:23.13 | dsmith__ | haha |
| 04:23.20 | dsmith__ | no I mean physical wires |
| 04:23.23 | dsmith__ | 24? |
| 04:23.28 | linagee | dsmith__: huh"? |
| 04:23.40 | linagee | dsmith__: you mean, "how many channels on one T1?" |
| 04:23.44 | dsmith__ | there are 24 pairs in a telephone cable |
| 04:23.49 | JT | dsmith__: you will need a better method of determining how many lines you have at present |
| 04:23.52 | linagee | dsmith__: again, old school. |
| 04:24.03 | KaiHanari | im looking for a nice outgoing provider that accepts paypal as payment. not sipdiscount. any suggestions? |
| 04:24.06 | dsmith__ | if its 24, then its 48 is what we have in the closet |
| 04:24.10 | JT | dsmith__: there can be hundreds of pairs in a phone cable, depends on type of cable |
| 04:24.11 | linagee | dsmith__: newer tech puts them all on one cat5 connector. "smart jack" :) |
| 04:24.22 | dsmith__ | thats what we have now |
| 04:24.57 | linagee | JT: like i said, it depends on how deep your pockets are. ;) |
| 04:25.08 | linagee | JT: well... i suppose eventuall you might run out of copper. heh |
| 04:26.16 | JT | linagee: 1 fibre pair can fit in excess of 2 million phone calls on it |
| 04:26.53 | JT | so what is on the cable is WAY more important than the cable :P |
| 04:27.19 | linagee | JT: using what standard? :) |
| 04:27.28 | linagee | fiber gigabit? heh |
| 04:27.45 | JT | no, that's IT kids' toys |
| 04:27.55 | linagee | IT kids. heh |
| 04:28.04 | linagee | JT: so TDM just like cat5 T1? |
| 04:28.34 | KaiHanari | so... no one here knows any providers. |
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| 04:28.45 | linagee | KaiHanari: no. look on the wiki. there is a list. |
| 04:28.52 | JT | STM-12s (OC-192s) full of E1s or T1s over DWDM with 160 wavelengths |
| 04:28.59 | KaiHanari | which wiki. there are a lot of wikis. |
| 04:29.03 | JT | each wavelength is 10Gbit/s |
| 04:29.09 | linagee | JT: DWDM. never heard of that. heh |
| 04:29.17 | JT | so a fibre can easily fit 1.6Tbit/s on it |
| 04:29.29 | JT | Dense Wave Division Multiplexing |
| 04:29.37 | linagee | JT: and the equipment at each side would be how many millions? :) |
| 04:29.47 | linagee | (of dollars) |
| 04:30.00 | JT | just means using different wavelengths really, and a lot of them |
| 04:30.19 | JT | linagee: it would be not bad a cost, considering the capacity :) |
| 04:30.45 | JT | most major fibre networks have used DWDM for a while now |
| 04:30.47 | linagee | JT: when does the latency of 100baseT become an issue to the point where fiber would make sense? heh |
| 04:30.52 | JT | especially for submarine use |
| 04:31.12 | JT | i am talking about 9 year old technology by the way |
| 04:31.12 | linagee | JT: if you had a wire going across a college campus, there's not going to be enough latency to distort voip. heh |
| 04:31.22 | linagee | JT: and this year technology = ? :) |
| 04:31.22 | JT | current telco gear can go 40Gbit/s per wavelength |
| 04:31.30 | JT | and probably more wavelengths per pair |
| 04:31.54 | linagee | JT: and each side has $700k worth of equipment to do this trick? :) |
| 04:32.17 | JT | linagee: sorry to break your bubble there, but the speed of light is the speed of light, the speed is very similar over copper and silica |
| 04:32.21 | linagee | JT: how does a submarine use fiber? what do they unroll it out in the ocean and talk across that line? heh |
| 04:32.23 | Strom_C | linagee: it's much cheaper to replace equipment on the end of fiber than it is to pull new fiber |
| 04:32.43 | JT | the advantage of fibre there is that it's immune to interference and ground current potential differences |
| 04:32.47 | linagee | Strom_C: true. especially if running the fiber costs you a few millions in trench diggers. heh |
| 04:32.58 | linagee | Strom_C: s/millions/hundreds of millions/ |
| 04:33.12 | Strom_C | s/millions/cocks/ |
| 04:33.15 | linagee | lol |
| 04:33.23 | JT | linagee: submarine means under water, undersea cables that link continents are known as "submarine cables" |
| 04:33.23 | linagee | Strom_C: how much is a cock? |
| 04:34.06 | dsmith__ | anyone from MD, VA Wash Dc? |
| 04:34.10 | linagee | JT: i would think they are called "underseas cables". so a submarine cable has nothing to do with submarines? |
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| 04:34.35 | JT | linagee: also, with the campus scenario, provided you have the correct type of fibre, you can easily upgrade to newer technology and speeds by changing the endpoints |
| 04:34.45 | JT | linagee: nothing to do with navy vessels |
| 04:35.05 | linagee | JT: hrm?? |
| 04:35.15 | JT | linagee: undersea cable is another term, but submarine cable is more common a term these days |
| 04:35.19 | linagee | JT: yes. provided you have the right type of fiber! hah |
| 04:35.25 | linagee | JT: what, multimode or single mode? lol |
| 04:35.37 | JT | linagee: for a college campus, just install single mode fibre, done and done |
| 04:35.50 | JT | multimode is only used for lans with short distances |
| 04:35.55 | linagee | hmm |
| 04:35.56 | JT | it's useless for much else |
| 04:36.14 | JT | there are many types of singlemode, but only telcos care about them |
| 04:36.29 | JT | SM-Dispersion Shifted Fibre |
| 04:36.38 | JT | SM-Non Zero Dispersion Shifted Fibre |
| 04:36.39 | JT | etc |
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| 04:37.06 | JT | change characteristics that only matter when you're pushing hundreds of kilometers or more or hundreds of gigabits |
| 04:37.49 | linagee | heh |
| 04:37.59 | linagee | JT: and what happens if/when the fiber breaks? |
| 04:38.14 | linagee | JT: you have to put a female to female thingy on it? heh |
| 04:38.22 | JT | all important fibre networks are built in ring topologies |
| 04:38.27 | JT | route via the other path |
| 04:40.02 | JT | oh |
| 04:40.07 | JT | but to fix the fibre |
| 04:40.24 | JT | they have undersea robots and divers deployed from the cable maintenance ships |
| 04:40.32 | JT | they pull up the fibre |
| 04:40.52 | JT | and splice it back together, then put it down to the bottom again |
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| 04:41.33 | linagee | JT: and then they do a "can you hear me now? good" test. :) |
| 04:42.03 | linagee | JT: how many fibers in the typical underseas cable? :) |
| 04:42.05 | JT | something like that :) |
| 04:42.14 | JT | linagee: probably a few dozen i think |
| 04:42.17 | linagee | h,,.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_communications_cable |
| 04:42.25 | JT | impractical to do much more with current technology |
| 04:42.33 | linagee | it gives a slice and everything on the wiki |
| 04:42.34 | phocus | guys, how do you let your soft sip phones connect to your asterisk box when it is not behing your firewall, aka hotel or what ever...i got it to register, and dial and connect, but after that i cant hear anytyhing and they cant hear me, to a phone, or to an extension, any ideas? |
| 04:42.38 | JT | due to the regeneration requirements |
| 04:42.52 | linagee | JT: weird |
| 04:43.03 | JT | generally fibre signals require regeneration every 1000km |
| 04:43.11 | JT | this is what limits submarine cables a bit |
| 04:43.23 | JT | they need amplification approximately every 100km |
| 04:43.25 | linagee | JT: the gooey center is fiber. surrounded by (rather large) metal wires, coated with mylar, coated with polyethylene. |
| 04:43.31 | dsmith__ | submarines must carry alot of wire around with them... :) |
| 04:43.38 | linagee | er, wrapped with mylar |
| 04:43.44 | JT | that's done with pure optical amplifiers |
| 04:43.57 | JT | ie. the signals are not converted back to electrical to amplify |
| 04:44.16 | linagee | JT: i wonder how they deploy the wire? LOL |
| 04:44.19 | JT | but every 1000km, they pull every wavelength down to electrical for reclocking |
| 04:44.30 | linagee | JT: imagine carrying around a wire that goes more than 1000km |
| 04:44.37 | linagee | it would be enormously heavy |
| 04:44.42 | JT | linagee: umm there'd be multiple cables |
| 04:44.46 | JT | they join them |
| 04:44.48 | linagee | ?? |
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| 04:44.53 | linagee | huh? |
| 04:45.01 | linagee | JT: multiple cables to make one 1000km stretch? |
| 04:45.02 | JT | and they have big undersea enclosures every 100km to 1000km |
| 04:45.09 | kiscokid | phocus: you need to open up other ports in the firewall to handle the phone to phone communication via RTP |
| 04:45.11 | JT | linagee: yes |
| 04:45.12 | Daejeo1 | Hello JT |
| 04:45.16 | JT | linagee: 1000km is massive |
| 04:45.26 | JT | especially considering the cables are about 3 inches thick |
| 04:45.32 | phocus | kiscokid i opened 5060 and 10000-20000/udb what else do i need? |
| 04:45.33 | linagee | JT: each time they use a new cable, they have to have a repeater there? there's hundreds and hundreds of repeaters along the line? |
| 04:45.40 | JT | you work out the diameter of you imaginary 1000km cable |
| 04:45.44 | JT | spool |
| 04:46.01 | JT | linagee: i pretty much just explained all that |
| 04:46.01 | kiscokid | phocus: that should be all you need |
| 04:46.01 | linagee | JT: maybe if they were using a tanker to carry the cable. :) |
| 04:46.16 | phocus | kiscokid /window new hide |
| 04:46.16 | linagee | oh wait, they do use a tanker to carry the cable. :) |
| 04:46.30 | JT | linagee: every ~100km, pure optical amplifier |
| 04:46.38 | JT | ~1000km, regeneration |
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| 04:47.19 | kiscokid | /window new hide |
| 04:47.19 | kiscokid | ? |
| 04:47.19 | JT | linagee: cable ships to be technically correct |
| 04:47.30 | Daejeo1 | anyone tried to configure Globe7 with Asterisk for outbound as well as in comings calls? |
| 04:47.32 | linagee | JT: where there ever dry pairs (hopefully dry. :) ) laid along the ocean? |
| 04:47.38 | linagee | JT: and are they still being used today? heh |
| 04:47.56 | linagee | JT: we didn't always have fiber |
| 04:47.58 | JT | linagee: ages ago, and used any more, not in the first world i think |
| 04:48.14 | JT | linagee: also, fibre cables have copper in them too to run power |
| 04:48.14 | phocus | how important is port 10000...it it is being used by webmin on another server? |
| 04:48.20 | linagee | JT: and the call quality would be horrible. heh |
| 04:48.38 | JT | yeah, they used horrible schemes like analogue time division multiplexing |
| 04:49.13 | kiscokid | phocus: have you looked at this: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/NAT+and+VOIP ? |
| 04:49.50 | linagee | JT: hilarious! "Samuel Morse proclaimed his faith in it as early as the year 1840, and in 1842 he submerged a wire, insulated with tarred hemp and India rubber, in the water of New York harbour, and telegraphed through it." |
| 04:49.56 | linagee | tarred hemp. heh |
| 04:51.26 | JT | heh |
| 04:51.54 | JT | the wikipedia article's explanation of current technology is very basic |
| 04:52.36 | linagee | JT: improve it. :) |
| 04:52.54 | JT | if i can be bothered |
| 04:53.00 | JT | and you have to find sources to cite |
| 04:53.02 | JT | annoying |
| 04:53.34 | rudholm | yeah, I remember reading something really obvious and it said "citation needed" |
| 04:53.43 | linagee | JT: a bit in the article got me thinking on a tangent subject, why are power lines dangerous? |
| 04:53.58 | JT | linagee: isn't that obvious? |
| 04:53.59 | rudholm | I think it was something I knew from direct first-hand experience |
| 04:54.06 | linagee | JT: sure 7,200 volts or whatnot could kill you, but why not have a safety disconnect system? |
| 04:54.15 | rudholm | a whatnow? |
| 04:54.18 | JT | linagee: how would that system work? |
| 04:54.22 | linagee | JT: like if you smashed a pole with your car and the the wires came down |
| 04:54.33 | JT | linagee: how would it detect that? |
| 04:54.34 | rudholm | go on |
| 04:54.43 | JT | solution: don't smash into power poles |
| 04:54.46 | linagee | JT: wires alongside those wires that get their circuit broken |
| 04:54.58 | JT | what if they don't get broken? |
| 04:55.09 | linagee | JT: true... |
| 04:55.15 | linagee | JT: perhaps i am thinking too hollywood |
| 04:55.24 | linagee | JT: the wires could just come down off the pole and not split apart. heh |
| 04:55.46 | rudholm | that might not help you if there are large potentials with respect to ground |
| 04:55.51 | JT | if the wires shunt enough current to earth, the vacuum circuit breakers at the substations should trip |
| 04:55.54 | florz | linagee: Plus switching off could take a while ... |
| 04:56.17 | linagee | florz: of course! the technician to throw the breaker switch has a 4 hour SLA. ;) hehehhe |
| 04:56.29 | JT | there are automatic breakers |
| 04:56.36 | linagee | (i don't really know his SLA, but i'd bet it's something like that) |
| 04:56.37 | rudholm | yeah, and it'd be impossible to tell the difference between a human body across the lines and any other electrical load. |
| 04:56.49 | JT | the probablem is thousands of amps need to be shunted to ground first |
| 04:56.57 | JT | problem |
| 04:57.00 | linagee | JT: true. i was just about to say |
| 04:57.01 | florz | But even those might take long enough to stop the current flow for you to be dead ... |
| 04:57.11 | JT | florz: oh of course |
| 04:57.21 | JT | they're not really for personnel protection |
| 04:57.24 | linagee | JT: it's the circuit breaker problem. even moreso. if you put a circuit breaker in there, you can't source that much power if you needed to. it would trip. |
| 04:57.31 | JT | they're there to stop things catching fire |
| 04:57.37 | linagee | yep |
| 04:57.51 | linagee | JT: circuit breaker rated at the "catching fire" current rating of the wires. heh |
| 04:58.01 | JT | linagee: best solution is going to be not to touch live wires, for quite some time to come |
| 04:58.15 | linagee | JT: might not be voluntary |
| 04:58.20 | JT | too bad |
| 04:58.28 | florz | linagee: That's basically all circuit breakers are there for, except for RCDs |
| 04:58.29 | linagee | JT: if a car smashed into a pole and the wire came down to your (metal) car? heh |
| 04:58.34 | JT | indeed |
| 04:58.38 | JT | a too bad situation |
| 04:58.41 | linagee | heh |
| 04:58.41 | JT | solution: don't crash |
| 04:58.46 | linagee | indeed |
| 04:58.49 | linagee | JT: but but |
| 04:58.51 | rudholm | no flowers for you |
| 04:58.53 | linagee | JT: people crash all the time. :) |
| 04:59.00 | linagee | JT: solution: get rid of insurance. :) |
| 04:59.09 | JT | into a power pole, with enough force to bring it down, not that often |
| 04:59.13 | JT | solution: bury cables |
| 04:59.15 | linagee | if we had no insurance, everyone would be driving so safely. lol |
| 04:59.25 | linagee | "oh shoot! don't crash!" heh |
| 04:59.37 | linagee | as it is, insurance *allows* people to drive like asses |
| 04:59.38 | dsmith__ | wireless power |
| 04:59.50 | rudholm | that's what radio is |
| 05:00.02 | dsmith__ | kinda |
| 05:00.12 | rudholm | no, precisely |
| 05:00.13 | dsmith__ | I mean, wireless power for your home |
| 05:00.15 | florz | And even if circuit breakers would cut off instantly at both sides of the line simultaneously - I could imagine that the line's electric charge could still take long enough to decay for it to be lethal ... |
| 05:00.25 | linagee | dsmith__: how would that work exactly? hah |
| 05:00.26 | rudholm | you mean, enough to do useful things like run a TV or light bulb. |
| 05:00.32 | dsmith__ | ask Tesla, |
| 05:00.35 | linagee | dsmith__: point to point? better not get in the path of that beam or die. lol |
| 05:00.37 | dsmith__ | yes.. |
| 05:00.50 | dsmith__ | or transmit power through the ground |
| 05:00.53 | JT | linagee: tesla did it hundreds of years ago |
| 05:00.56 | dsmith__ | Nathan Stubblefield |
| 05:01.15 | dsmith__ | no need for powerlines |
| 05:01.19 | dsmith__ | or feeders |
| 05:01.28 | rudholm | but the ground is only one conductor |
| 05:01.35 | rudholm | where's the potential? |
| 05:01.39 | dsmith__ | air |
| 05:01.42 | linagee | JT: if we all had portable power stations in our houses that were just as efficient as our regular sources, there would be no problem. heh. |
| 05:01.49 | linagee | JT: it's all a math problem. ;) |
| 05:01.50 | rudholm | hahah, you're going to ionize the air??? |
| 05:01.52 | florz | rudholm: Potential needs only one conductor =:-) |
| 05:01.57 | dsmith__ | you can run vary phases in the ground |
| 05:02.02 | florz | rudholm: And not even that necessarily ;-) |
| 05:02.13 | rudholm | gee, I must have missed that class when I was getting my EE degree. |
| 05:02.51 | florz | rudholm: Indeed - or you are just saying "potential" for "potential difference" ;-) |
| 05:02.53 | dsmith__ | EEs dont have the complete picture of eletricty |
| 05:03.01 | rudholm | hahahahahaah |
| 05:03.09 | rudholm | oh and you do, right? :) |
| 05:06.09 | dsmith__ | no, but maxwell had it right in his equations |
| 05:06.09 | linagee | JT: oh yeah. you have different problems if you start burring 7,200 volt wires. heh |
| 05:06.09 | dsmith__ | who was the person that collapsed them? |
| 05:06.09 | linagee | JT: what if you dig into it. :) |
| 05:06.10 | JT | linagee: you get a darwin award |
| 05:06.10 | dsmith__ | lol |
| 05:06.10 | dsmith__ | ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzap! |
| 05:06.10 | linagee | JT: they should just put everything in one bundle |
| 05:06.10 | JT | yes, i see it now |
| 05:06.11 | linagee | JT: a sewage / fiber / high voltage / water pipe. :) |
| 05:06.11 | linagee | did i miss any? |
| 05:06.11 | JT | the integrated gas, HV electricity and water main |
| 05:06.11 | dsmith__ | rudholm: read up on Bearden |
| 05:06.12 | linagee | oh yes, and a pipe where small packages can be vacuum shot around. :) |
| 05:06.12 | JT | super dangerous |
| 05:06.12 | rudholm | dsmith__: go to college :-p |
| 05:06.12 | dsmith__ | I have |
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| 05:06.12 | linagee | JT: why? |
| 05:06.12 | dsmith__ | but not for EE |
| 05:06.13 | rudholm | no shit? |
| 05:06.13 | JT | linagee: big arc causes big fire |
| 05:06.13 | linagee | JT: proper insulation and stacking order would make it not dangerous |
| 05:06.13 | linagee | JT: put the water pipe on the bottom side always |
| 05:06.13 | JT | hard to maintain |
| 05:06.13 | JT | etc |
| 05:06.13 | JT | sounds like a retarded idea |
| 05:06.13 | JT | what's the point |
| 05:06.14 | linagee | JT: i'd think it would be easier. just one cable to find rather than dozens |
| 05:06.19 | dsmith__ | 250 years from know humans will look back and say |
| 05:06.19 | JT | if you can't read a map, you shouldn't be digging |
| 05:06.22 | dsmith__ | stupid humans and thier copper wires...what fools they were.. |
| 05:06.23 | dsmith__ | :) |
| 05:06.29 | linagee | JT: use a GPS. oh wait, you said digging not driving. :) |
| 05:06.49 | dsmith__ | they cut the lines in front of the office about once a month |
| 05:06.52 | dsmith__ | its annoying |
| 05:06.55 | linagee | dsmith__: it's all about the platinum wires now. (year=2082) |
| 05:07.01 | dsmith__ | lol |
| 05:07.13 | JT | dsmith__: that sounds incredibly dumb |
| 05:07.20 | dsmith__ | the one thing I think is neat is the superconducting wires |
| 05:07.31 | dsmith__ | whats sounds dumb? |
| 05:07.39 | linagee | dsmith__: i'm sure it's "terrorist proof" (hahahaha) |
| 05:07.42 | JT | actually an awesome thing about fibre is it's made from one of the most adundant and cheap materials on planet Earth |
| 05:07.47 | JT | dsmith__: your cables being cut |
| 05:08.03 | dsmith__ | oh, blame the phone co. comcast, etc.. |
| 05:08.03 | linagee | JT: then screw wireless power. figure out a way to provide power over fiber optics. :) |
| 05:08.06 | linagee | JT: light power. :) |
| 05:08.29 | dsmith__ | I have pondered power over etherlight |
| 05:08.30 | linagee | JT: you can cut into someone's eye using light power coming out of a fiber optic |
| 05:08.56 | JT | linagee: they still haven't got more than a couple of watts of power over fibre |
| 05:09.02 | dsmith__ | in reality though we have all the power surrounding us that we need |
| 05:09.11 | linagee | JT: you need some way of being able to add multiple lasers to the same beam. :) |
| 05:09.25 | dsmith__ | there is enough energy in a coffee cup size area to power whatever you like |
| 05:09.34 | linagee | dsmith__: true. use your feces to make methane, burn the methane and turn that into power. :) |
| 05:09.35 | JT | linagee: i think you actually need a way to efficiently convert it back to electricity..... |
| 05:09.46 | linagee | dsmith__: i'm actually half serious. :) |
| 05:09.51 | dsmith__ | flatulance power.. |
| 05:09.57 | linagee | dsmith__: they do it on farms |
| 05:10.06 | dsmith__ | I know :) |
| 05:10.15 | dsmith__ | water is a viiable solution |
| 05:10.25 | dsmith__ | just not poplar or known at the prsent |
| 05:10.27 | linagee | dsmith__: i've been to a farm were they take animal feces, let the methane gas be trapped, and pipe it into the house and cook using that. it's actually pretty cool. :) |
| 05:10.53 | linagee | dsmith__: i was in costa rica at the time. they're a little more "full circle" over there. ;) |
| 05:10.55 | dsmith__ | well, 'cuse my lang. but if you have enough shit then your coverd for that sort of thing |
| 05:11.16 | dsmith__ | farms are perfect for that |
| 05:11.28 | linagee | provide electricity over water? hehehe |
| 05:11.40 | linagee | take a shower and be electricuted. :) |
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| 05:11.45 | dsmith__ | no use water s fuel to pwer a gennie |
| 05:12.06 | linagee | use water to power a genie? does he grant you the standard 3 wishes? |
| 05:12.11 | JT | water under pressure would be the best example of power over water |
| 05:12.16 | dsmith__ | haah |
| 05:12.42 | dsmith__ | I mean molecular disassociation |
| 05:12.58 | linagee | JT: the only problem with that is the maximum PSI you could pipe water at. ;) |
| 05:13.11 | linagee | 1000 PSI water coming right to your house. LOL! nice. :) |
| 05:13.15 | JT | dsmith__: you need electricity to split the water molecule |
| 05:13.17 | dsmith__ | big hole |
| 05:13.21 | dsmith__ | JT: yep... |
| 05:13.34 | dsmith__ | good ol' batery works fine |
| 05:13.37 | dsmith__ | *batery |
| 05:13.44 | dsmith__ | *battery |
| 05:13.56 | JT | ... |
| 05:14.09 | JT | i think you've been smoking a few too many drugs, dsmith__ |
| 05:14.18 | linagee | JT: wouldn't that be cool to make a generator that used water power to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen (using a small generator), then burnt the hydrogen and turned that into electricity, and then you'd come up with more energy than it took to move the water? :) |
| 05:14.19 | dsmith__ | hehehe, I dont do drugs... |
| 05:14.24 | rudholm | I'm still waiting for the perpetual motion machine here... |
| 05:14.28 | JT | dsmith__: you should, you'd have an excuse |
| 05:14.28 | linagee | that would be undescribably cool. :) |
| 05:14.47 | JT | linagee: obviously it'd fail the conservation of energy principle |
| 05:14.53 | linagee | JT: huh? no it wouldn't |
| 05:14.59 | JT | yes, it would |
| 05:14.59 | linagee | JT: there's energy stored up in water |
| 05:15.10 | linagee | hydrogen/oxygen bond |
| 05:15.10 | JT | if you mean kinetic energy |
| 05:15.12 | linagee | err... |
| 05:15.20 | JT | how will you split that bond? |
| 05:15.22 | linagee | JT: there's energy stored up in hydrogen atoms i mean. :) |
| 05:15.23 | dsmith__ | linagee: has the idea |
| 05:15.35 | JT | what, take more drugs? |
| 05:15.36 | linagee | JT: when you burn hydrogen, you're releasing that energy |
| 05:15.49 | JT | how the fuck do you burn it if it's still water?? |
| 05:15.54 | rudholm | linagee: what do you get when you burn hydrogen? |
| 05:15.56 | linagee | JT: split it |
| 05:15.59 | dsmith__ | molecular disassociation |
| 05:16.01 | rudholm | hahahaah |
| 05:16.01 | JT | linagee: how? |
| 05:16.02 | linagee | JT: sure that would take *some* energy |
| 05:16.08 | rudholm | yes dsmith__ you said that already |
| 05:16.10 | linagee | JT: generate energy from the water stream itself. :) |
| 05:16.19 | JT | linagee: yes, please research "the hydrogen economy" |
| 05:16.23 | JT | this is an age old problem |
| 05:16.30 | JT | and you aren't thinking of a new principle |
| 05:16.33 | linagee | :( |
| 05:16.35 | JT | it simply is NOT possible |
| 05:16.47 | dsmith__ | ppl said the same thing about heavier then air machines.. |
| 05:16.49 | dsmith__ | :P |
| 05:16.53 | linagee | JT: marketed correctly, anything is possible. LOL. :) |
| 05:16.55 | JT | also, hydrogen has a much power energy density than hydrocarbon based fuels |
| 05:17.03 | rudholm | you can burn hydrogen and oxygen, the problem is that it costs you more energy to split the hydrogen and oxygen apart in the first place. |
| 05:17.10 | JT | also, hydrogen has a much LOWER power energy density than hydrocarbon based fuels |
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| 05:17.21 | dsmith__ | with normal electrolysis yes |
| 05:17.28 | linagee | rudholm: "it costs you more energy"? |
| 05:17.31 | rudholm | so, while it can make an energy storage system suitable for some applications (the space program comes to mind) it is not an energy *source* |
| 05:17.40 | JT | but with crack cocaine powered electrolysis, perpetual motion is yours |
| 05:17.49 | dsmith__ | as I recall Hydrogen btu is higher then Gas |
| 05:17.52 | rudholm | JT: yes, indeed it is! |
| 05:18.02 | linagee | JT: i'm not talking about getting energy from nothing |
| 05:18.08 | JT | dsmith__: incorrect i'd say |
| 05:18.10 | linagee | JT: there is energy in atoms. from the sun. |
| 05:18.31 | JT | dsmith__: gasoline/petrol has a much much higher amount of energy, for example |
| 05:18.36 | dsmith__ | one sec |
| 05:18.41 | KaiHanari | actually. dsmith__ isnt totally crazy. the power from enough solar panels to cover your garage isnt enough to power your house, but it is to power a water seperator. store the hydrogen, compressed, and use a fuel cell. |
| 05:18.46 | linagee | JT: atoms are formed in the sun |
| 05:19.01 | dsmith__ | Kai: thats one approach |
| 05:19.03 | linagee | JT: then they make molecules. then they are spewn all over when the sun goes supernova |
| 05:19.06 | JT | KaiHanari: that's not powered by water than is it? |
| 05:19.13 | rudholm | KaiHanari: like I said, it can be a suitable energy storage mechanism, but it's not a *source* |
| 05:19.19 | JT | that's powered by a "stinking massively expensive array of solar panels" |
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| 05:19.34 | KaiHanari | you get quite enough power to run your house, as per normal (if it were on the grid) and hydrogen to spare to run your car. theres a guy in .. crap i forget the state, but he does it. has been for a while. |
| 05:19.35 | JT | solar panels only last a couple of decades too |
| 05:20.00 | linagee | JT: and you have to clean them every year or two |
| 05:20.02 | KaiHanari | yea but dsmith__ said "molecular dissassociation" .. and thats what im talking about. |
| 05:20.04 | JT | PV panels are a gimmick at the moment |
| 05:20.11 | dsmith__ | Hydrogen has the highest storage content of any fuel, 52000 British Thermal Units (Btu) per pound. |
| 05:20.15 | rudholm | KaiHanari: yeah, regular batteries could work to power a car from a domestic PV array as well. |
| 05:20.22 | JT | PV is useless for large scale power generation |
| 05:20.22 | linagee | JT: they might have some use |
| 05:20.33 | JT | linagee: not for big stuff |
| 05:20.38 | KaiHanari | rudholm, im not talking about cars. |
| 05:20.39 | dsmith__ | PV panels are coming around as well, but not a solution |
| 05:20.40 | linagee | JT: for instance, "i am too lazy to string power lines across my lawn. i will get PV lawn lights" :) |
| 05:20.46 | JT | only for remote/very low usage scenario |
| 05:20.52 | linagee | JT: exactly. :) |
| 05:20.54 | KaiHanari | rudholm, im talking about both car and house. from one array. |
| 05:21.00 | JT | those things put out almost no light, linagee |
| 05:21.01 | rudholm | KaiHanari: yeah, I know |
| 05:21.08 | linagee | JT: lol. i know |
| 05:21.08 | KaiHanari | one _small_ array |
| 05:21.13 | KaiHanari | its quite enough :/ |
| 05:21.15 | linagee | JT: get the LED type. they work so much better |
| 05:21.21 | linagee | JT: (for a few hours, anyway) |
| 05:21.27 | dsmith__ | Liquid Hydrogen has a BTU (British Thermal Unit) of 60000 per pound where as gasoline has a BTU of 18000 per pound. |
| 05:21.35 | dsmith__ | thats liquid though |
| 05:21.41 | JT | linagee: i mean the LED ones, they're too dark, they need more powerful LEDs |
| 05:22.08 | linagee | JT: it's supposed to be like, "oh there is a point of reference", not enough light to light up a pathway. hah |
| 05:22.12 | KaiHanari | linagee, only the expensive ones. the cheap ones are just as bad as if they had an incadescent bulb. |
| 05:22.12 | JT | liquid hydrogen requires an IMMENSE amount of power to make |
| 05:22.20 | KaiHanari | last longer, but no light. |
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| 05:22.36 | dsmith__ | JT: no |
| 05:22.48 | linagee | JT: a much better idea is to get illuminated tiles in the ground. those things are cool. i want to put them in my future home. :) |
| 05:23.00 | linagee | JT: then you can strobe them and it would look like a landing strip. :) |
| 05:23.03 | KaiHanari | illuminated tiles are awesome. |
| 05:23.05 | lemnarm | hi everyone |
| 05:23.12 | JT | dsmith__: NO??!?! |
| 05:23.14 | KaiHanari | if you only need a dim light... EL is the way to go for those. |
| 05:23.17 | JT | dsmith__: drugs man, take them |
| 05:23.20 | KaiHanari | lights themselves up but not much else |
| 05:23.28 | dsmith__ | I dont do drugs |
| 05:23.31 | rudholm | you should |
| 05:23.34 | JT | dsmith__: you SHOULD |
| 05:23.37 | dsmith__ | LOL..... |
| 05:23.43 | linagee | KaiHanari: i bet you could hook them up to a motion detector too. that would be sort of wierd to have the ground light up when there is motion. heh |
| 05:23.59 | dsmith__ | oh yes look at them crazy Wright bros... |
| 05:24.01 | JT | yeah i just pass wind and liquid hydrogen comes out, only not really |
| 05:24.07 | dsmith__ | why they should be doing drugs.. |
| 05:24.12 | KaiHanari | dsmith__, i have to agree with JT. compressed hydrogen takes a lot of energy to make. because its under so much pressure. you need a compressor, and a hell of a lot of hydrogen |
| 05:24.38 | dsmith__ | Im not talking compressed hydrogen and I am not refuting that fact |
| 05:24.49 | rudholm | dsmith__: the people who "said the same thing about heavier than air flight" were not engineers or physicists. they were journalists and pundits. |
| 05:24.50 | linagee | KaiHanari: have you seen that "fuel cell plug in hybrid"? :) |
| 05:24.57 | KaiHanari | linagee, heh, pressure sensitive :) your on one sidewalk "block" and 3 in front/behind you are successively dim-er than the one your on... |
| 05:24.59 | JT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.59 | JT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.00 | KaiHanari | awesome thought |
| 05:25.02 | linagee | it uses a large hydrogen tank |
| 05:25.09 | linagee | underneath all the passengers |
| 05:25.14 | KaiHanari | linagee, cant say i have |
| 05:25.16 | linagee | and a large battery pack |
| 05:25.27 | linagee | KaiHanari: sec, let me get the youtube |
| 05:25.52 | linagee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQxnRn3S4bk |
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| 05:26.36 | linagee | KaiHanari: "Ford Edge Hydrogen Fuel Cell Plug-in Hybrid" |
| 05:26.39 | KaiHanari | brb. watching |
| 05:26.41 | rudholm | dsmith__: you're confusing the issue here, it doesn't matter *what* the energy density of hydrogen is, what matters is that it costs more energy to obtain the hydrogen than is yeilded by burning it. |
| 05:26.59 | lemnarm | i am new in Voip business so please bare with me if I don't understand: I have a T1 digital line (wink start) installed and need to connect this line by using SIP to a IVR provider (another software installed on the same network). My questions is , can I use asterisk to convert from T1 PSTN to voip-sip , and if so: what linux distro-s are recommended , and what board to use what is recommended by asterisk ... please help , thanks |
| 05:27.17 | dsmith__ | rudholm: thats what you think but I digress |
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| 05:27.30 | dsmith__ | everything has its own natural ressonance |
| 05:27.32 | rudholm | dsmith__: it's fact, it's not just what I think |
| 05:27.36 | rudholm | dsmith__: hahahahahahaha |
| 05:27.44 | JT | lemnarm: yes it can, but winkstart is very old school, PRI mode T1 would be nicer |
| 05:27.59 | rudholm | dsmith__: you need to put down the New Age books and start reading actualy Physics (not Metaphysics) and engieering texts. |
| 05:28.03 | dsmith__ | and on that note... I continue my workk.. :) |
| 05:28.05 | KaiHanari | linagee, nice! |
| 05:28.10 | linagee | yep |
| 05:28.11 | KaiHanari | i want one, but not a ford edge. |
| 05:28.11 | dsmith__ | rudholm: I have |
| 05:28.16 | linagee | KaiHanari: heh |
| 05:28.22 | rudholm | dsmith__: clearly you didn't understand them |
| 05:28.35 | linagee | KaiHanari: plug in hybrids themselves are kind of cool. (even the gasoline type). too bad you can't actually *buy* one. ;) |
| 05:28.45 | JT | rudholm: if einstein and newton were still alive, they'd take turns at hitting you with a cluebat until the message got through |
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| 05:28.49 | Marquel | morning |
| 05:28.49 | KaiHanari | you can here. |
| 05:28.53 | KaiHanari | but only gas ones. |
| 05:28.56 | linagee | KaiHanari: you have to buy like a prius or something yourself, and modify it to have a larger battery, then add a plug to it |
| 05:28.57 | dsmith__ | JT: what mesage? |
| 05:29.04 | rudholm | dsmith__: burning H and O yields water and energy. the amount of energy is *less* than what's needed to dissociate the H and O again. |
| 05:29.05 | KaiHanari | i think the only one you can get here is the toyota prius |
| 05:29.11 | linagee | KaiHanari: no |
| 05:29.13 | JT | dsmith__: that you do not understand the BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS |
| 05:29.17 | linagee | KaiHanari: toyota prius is NOT a plug in hybrid |
| 05:29.18 | BBHoss_Laptop | anyone using icall or another carrier they love here, im shopping |
| 05:29.24 | linagee | KaiHanari: no such commercial product exists |
| 05:29.33 | rudholm | JT: I think you meant that remark for dsmith__ |
| 05:29.34 | linagee | KaiHanari: you have to hack up one yourself |
| 05:29.34 | KaiHanari | then where the hell does the eletricity come from? |
| 05:29.42 | linagee | KaiHanari: the gas motor |
| 05:29.46 | KaiHanari | wtf. |
| 05:29.49 | JT | rudholm: sorry |
| 05:29.54 | BBHoss_Laptop | also it gets some from brakes |
| 05:29.55 | linagee | KaiHanari: indeed |
| 05:29.59 | JT | dsmith__: if einstein and newton were still alive, they'd take turns at hitting you with a cluebat until the message got through |
| 05:29.59 | Marquel | are there any minimum hardware requirements for asterisk to act as an answering machine? |
| 05:30.04 | KaiHanari | so what the fuck is the plug ive seen? a block heater ? |
| 05:30.07 | rudholm | JT: no prob, I think he knew it was meant for him :) |
| 05:30.08 | lemnarm | JT: at this time we havee this (wink start) ... so you say it will work with this also but it is recommended we switch to PRI ? And about the linux distro ... what is recommended (i have exp with almost anything but preffer debian) and what card for starters .... ? thanks |
| 05:30.08 | BBHoss_Laptop | 50mb |
| 05:30.09 | dsmith__ | hit me? |
| 05:30.12 | linagee | KaiHanari: i guess so |
| 05:30.29 | JT | lemnarm: debian will work fine |
| 05:30.31 | linagee | KaiHanari: call up your toyota auto dealer and ask if they have plug in hybrids |
| 05:30.32 | KaiHanari | no way. i cant believe that. |
| 05:30.37 | linagee | KaiHanari: he'll probably stutter for a bit |
| 05:30.55 | KaiHanari | i swear every highbrid ive seen has had a plug for charging. |
| 05:30.56 | linagee | KaiHanari: http://pluginamerica.com/where_ev.shtml |
| 05:31.27 | dsmith__ | Nobel Laureate Richard Feynman and one of Einstein’s protégés, John Wheeler, calculated that there is more than enough energy in the volume of a coffee cup to evaporate all the worlds’ oceans |
| 05:31.33 | JT | KaiHanari: the prius works on the principle of storing energy that will be wasted |
| 05:31.35 | dsmith__ | Offtopic: but still the pint being |
| 05:31.36 | BBHoss_Laptop | indeed |
| 05:31.38 | JT | KaiHanari: not charging |
| 05:31.39 | dsmith__ | goodnight all |
| 05:31.43 | BBHoss_Laptop | e=mc^2 |
| 05:31.43 | JT | KaiHanari: hence "hybrid" |
| 05:31.46 | JT | still has petrol |
| 05:32.01 | linagee | JT: indeed. if they had a plug in the off the shelf hybrid, that means less gasoline for oil companies! :( hahaha |
| 05:32.12 | BBHoss_Laptop | funny, many peopel dont know what that eqation even means |
| 05:32.22 | JT | linagee: debatable if plug ins are more efficient |
| 05:32.32 | linagee | JT: i was being sarcastic |
| 05:32.36 | JT | they have no range, and cause the energy to just be consumed elsewhere |
| 05:32.37 | JT | heh |
| 05:32.38 | linagee | JT: sorry, hard to detect on the net. ;) |
| 05:32.46 | KaiHanari | i refuse to believe that the hybrids ive seen dont actually plug in to charge. i swear every one ive seen does. |
| 05:32.46 | dsmith__ | Energy = (Mass) * Speed of light ^ 2 |
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| 05:32.53 | rudholm | dsmith__: please stop using the names of people like Feynman, Einstein, Tesla, and Maxwell. These were brilliant men whose shoes you'd not be qualified to polish. |
| 05:33.02 | BBHoss_Laptop | yes, on an asterisk channel |
| 05:33.06 | JT | KaiHanari: what does the word hybrid mean? |
| 05:33.08 | rudholm | dsmith__: and it's just offensive to those of us who have actually read them. |
| 05:33.16 | JT | KaiHanari: we are talking hybrids, not electric cars |
| 05:33.18 | dsmith__ | heh, thats why I said offtopic. |
| 05:33.33 | KaiHanari | JT, as am i. |
| 05:33.33 | linagee | JT: you can't buy an electric car. they were killed. |
| 05:33.38 | linagee | JT: well... yet. :) |
| 05:33.45 | BBHoss_Laptop | u could probably make one |
| 05:33.47 | linagee | JT: i suppose the tesla will be out soon |
| 05:33.50 | linagee | BBHoss_Laptop: people have |
| 05:33.53 | dsmith__ | rudholm: no doubts on your previous commant |
| 05:33.57 | KaiHanari | and im not in japan right now. im in canada. and i swear every hybrid ive seen had a plug. and it wanst a block heater. |
| 05:34.03 | rudholm | linagee: http://www.teslamotors.com/ |
| 05:34.04 | JT | you can, they just have shit range, electric cars |
| 05:34.07 | BBHoss_Laptop | just a dc charger |
| 05:34.07 | linagee | BBHoss_Laptop: that's why i said. it remains a hobbyist realm right now. unfortunately, there is no off the shelf car. |
| 05:34.12 | dsmith__ | gn |
| 05:34.13 | BBHoss_Laptop | bolted onto the stock battery |
| 05:34.15 | linagee | rudholm: i already mentioned tesla. :) |
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| 05:34.27 | linagee | rudholm: i don't think teslas are on the road yet... afaik. |
| 05:34.33 | KaiHanari | i just cant believe that they didnt. i just cant. |
| 05:34.38 | KaiHanari | it doesnt make sense. |
| 05:34.45 | rudholm | well, some are |
| 05:34.46 | linagee | lots of things don't make sense |
| 05:34.46 | JT | KaiHanari: do you understand how a prius works? |
| 05:34.59 | JT | KaiHanari: well, it's easy to understamd if you have a clue how it works :) |
| 05:35.10 | JT | linagee: however, the prius is not one of those things |
| 05:35.21 | rudholm | linagee: Elon Musk brought some over to my company's parking lot several months ago. |
| 05:35.31 | linagee | KaiHanari: the whole point behind the hybrid (and no cord) is that you can run the prius gas motor at optimum RPM while it's charging |
| 05:35.48 | KaiHanari | to my understanding it runs in electric mode at low speeds or untill low power, then kicks in. runs on gas, for prepulsion as well as charging, then electric at low speed again. |
| 05:35.48 | linagee | KaiHanari: that, and regenerative braking which gets stored back into the battery |
| 05:35.55 | JT | the prius stores unneeded power |
| 05:35.56 | linagee | KaiHanari: yes, it does |
| 05:36.00 | linagee | JT: indeed |
| 05:36.29 | JT | all the power comes from gasoline/petrol |
| 05:36.29 | linagee | JT: it will also charge the battery using the gas engine (based on some wacky algorithm) |
| 05:36.39 | JT | it just makes it a lot more efficient than a normal car |
| 05:36.45 | JT | linagee: yep |
| 05:36.52 | lemnarm | Are Natural Access AG4000 supported in asterisk ? |
| 05:37.11 | linagee | JT: and if you can add a larger battery pack and keep it in electric mode? and if you could charge that battery pack using a cord? then you have a LOT LOT more efficient than a normal car. :) |
| 05:37.46 | JT | a cord |
| 05:37.54 | JT | umm that'd be a fair effort |
| 05:38.01 | linagee | JT: i suppose a cord is not really required |
| 05:38.09 | linagee | JT: some way to get grid power to charge your batteries. :) |
| 05:38.25 | linagee | JT: it would be VERY VERY cool to have an inductive charging pad in your driveway. :) |
| 05:38.30 | JT | remember, grid power is usually false economy |
| 05:38.42 | JT | linagee: storing wasted energy is a very practical concept |
| 05:39.03 | linagee | JT: true, but grid power is cheap. and made in mass much more efficiently than your car burns gas. |
| 05:39.31 | linagee | JT: and when they improve grid power and make it even cleaner, everyone benefits, instantly. |
| 05:40.44 | linagee | rudholm: "brought some"?? |
| 05:40.49 | linagee | rudholm: as in, more than one tesla?? |
| 05:40.52 | linagee | !??!?! |
| 05:41.17 | rudholm | linagee: he's the founder of Tesla Motors (and other companies) |
| 05:41.28 | linagee | rudholm: that must have made everyone drool. heh |
| 05:41.33 | rudholm | he gave rides! |
| 05:41.40 | linagee | rudholm: did he ask to charge it using your power? :) |
| 05:41.49 | rudholm | not that I know of |
| 05:41.56 | linagee | rudholm: i've got an electric scooter that works great. :) |
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| 05:42.08 | linagee | rudholm: charges much faster than any electric car would. ;) |
| 05:42.25 | linagee | just because it has less weight to push around. hehee. :) |
| 05:42.28 | rudholm | linagee: I had a moped that got 100+ MPG |
| 05:42.35 | linagee | rudholm: mine gets even more |
| 05:42.38 | linagee | rudholm: zero. :) |
| 05:42.45 | rudholm | that's *less* |
| 05:42.53 | rudholm | zero is < 100 |
| 05:42.56 | rudholm | :) |
| 05:42.59 | linagee | rudholm: if i had one gallon of gas, it would get me zero miles. :P |
| 05:43.29 | linagee | rudholm: my "$/gal equiv" is about $0.32/gal |
| 05:43.41 | rudholm | how much is your electricity? |
| 05:43.42 | linagee | rudholm: compare that to $3.50/gal right now. hahaha |
| 05:43.46 | rudholm | mine is really expensive |
| 05:43.58 | linagee | rudholm: i computed that using the highest possible estimate for the area |
| 05:44.01 | JT | linagee: maths failure |
| 05:44.05 | linagee | rudholm: real numbers would be far far less |
| 05:44.20 | rudholm | linagee: how much do you pay for a kWh of electrictity? |
| 05:44.24 | rudholm | electricity |
| 05:44.36 | linagee | rudholm: why not ask "how much electricty in dollars is needed to go one mile?" |
| 05:44.43 | linagee | rudholm: it costs me about a cent of electricity to go a mile. |
| 05:44.46 | rudholm | becuase I'd like to replicate your math |
| 05:44.55 | linagee | realistically about $0.008, but i rounded up. :) |
| 05:44.56 | rudholm | and I can't do that if you don't give me the starting variables |
| 05:44.56 | JT | probably because he wants to know how much a kWh costs you |
| 05:45.16 | linagee | rudholm: if a car gets 32 miles per gallon (my civic does), then it makes sense. :) |
| 05:45.56 | linagee | rudholm: it takes me about 6 hours to fully charge and uses about 1.5 kWh. :-> |
| 05:45.57 | rudholm | linagee: how much do you pay for electricity? (most electric utilities sell by the kWh) |
| 05:46.08 | linagee | rudholm: (i've got a "kill-o-watt" hooked up to my charging point. :) |
| 05:46.21 | linagee | rudholm: i think i estimated $0.17/kWh or something |
| 05:46.26 | linagee | sec |
| 05:46.36 | rudholm | ok, that sounds realistic |
| 05:46.41 | rudholm | it varies depending on usage |
| 05:46.41 | linagee | yes |
| 05:46.43 | linagee | $0.17 |
| 05:46.51 | linagee | i wrote it on my kill-o-watt. :) |
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| 05:46.57 | linagee | rudholm: real numbers are far far less. :) |
| 05:47.05 | linagee | rudholm: $0.17/kWh is in the 300% baseline |
| 05:47.22 | linagee | 100% baseline is like... $0.12/kWh or something less |
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| 05:47.42 | linagee | rudholm: so anyhow, it costs about $5 to charge a month. :) |
| 05:47.49 | rudholm | how far does your scooter go on one charge? |
| 05:47.57 | linagee | rudholm: realistically or rated? :) |
| 05:48.03 | rudholm | in actual usage |
| 05:48.04 | linagee | rudholm: or "what is the longest distance i've gone?" :) |
| 05:48.21 | linagee | rudholm: longest distance i've gone? 30 miles. there was a bike lane and i was able to ride it very slowly. :) |
| 05:48.28 | linagee | rudholm: realistically? 20 miles. |
| 05:48.35 | linagee | rudholm: manufacuturer rated? 60km i think |
| 05:49.33 | linagee | (the manufacturer is destined for a foreign country. everything is in km) |
| 05:49.34 | linagee | (USA is too picky) |
| 05:49.34 | rudholm | how many amps does the charger draw? |
| 05:49.34 | linagee | rudholm: 6 amps |
| 05:49.34 | linagee | rudholm: down to 2 amps |
| 05:49.34 | linagee | 6 amps for like, 90% of the charge |
| 05:49.34 | rudholm | right, it should ramp down as you approach 100% |
| 05:49.34 | linagee | yep |
| 05:49.43 | linagee | rudholm: which is like... |
| 05:49.51 | linagee | rudholm: 600-700 watts... down to 200 watts or so |
| 05:49.58 | linagee | (at 115VAC) |
| 05:50.25 | linagee | rudholm: i wish i had a faster charger. but they cost way more. heh. and i'd have to have a special hook up to the breaker box. and it would only work for home. lol. lots of criteria. |
| 05:50.45 | linagee | rudholm: i *like* being able to plug into any 115VAC and juice up. hah. you really can't do that with an electric car. it would take forever |
| 05:50.55 | linagee | rudholm: i did more maths too |
| 05:50.59 | linagee | rudholm: if i drive 1 mile |
| 05:51.06 | linagee | rudholm: it takes me 11 minutes to charge that up |
| 05:51.17 | linagee | (i drove many miles and divided by the number of minutes) |
| 05:51.26 | rudholm | so a six-hour cycle takes a little over 3 kWh, or about 60c, which is about 3c/mile |
| 05:51.35 | linagee | rudholm: 60c? |
| 05:52.03 | rudholm | a bit over 3 multipled by 17 is about 60 |
| 05:52.08 | linagee | what is c |
| 05:52.11 | rudholm | cents |
| 05:52.13 | linagee | speed of light? |
| 05:52.22 | JT | no,that's C |
| 05:52.26 | rudholm | that, too, although it's usually capitalized |
| 05:52.32 | linagee | JT: lowercase. :) |
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| 05:52.39 | linagee | e=mc^2 |
| 05:52.49 | JT | linagee: uppercase is speed of light |
| 05:52.53 | linagee | JT: naw |
| 05:52.59 | linagee | JT: uppercase C is like... |
| 05:53.00 | JT | linagee: your formula is in error then |
| 05:53.01 | linagee | cups? :) |
| 05:53.05 | linagee | or capacitance? lol |
| 05:53.19 | linagee | JT: nurse! 50ccs! stat! :) |
| 05:53.24 | rudholm | no, capacitance is "F" |
| 05:53.44 | linagee | rudholm: it drives like a 49 scooter or so i've heard |
| 05:53.48 | linagee | er, 49cc? |
| 05:53.52 | rudholm | ok |
| 05:53.59 | linagee | rudholm: 35mph top limit |
| 05:54.05 | linagee | rudholm: (because of HP) |
| 05:54.12 | linagee | rudholm: well... HP is more of controller limited. heh |
| 05:54.13 | rudholm | yeah, that's about like a 50cc scooter |
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| 05:54.33 | rudholm | on an electric motor, yeah, it's limited by the controller so that the windings don't melt. |
| 05:54.34 | linagee | rudholm: in theory you could "blow your load" and just throw a bunch of current at the motor and it would probably take it without getting too hot |
| 05:54.41 | linagee | rudholm: but that would severly limit your distance |
| 05:54.45 | rudholm | linagee: yes, but only briefly |
| 05:54.50 | linagee | rudholm: not really |
| 05:54.53 | linagee | rudholm: it's cool |
| 05:54.58 | linagee | rudholm: it's basically "self cooling" :) |
| 05:55.14 | linagee | rudholm: it's rated at 1500watts, but i think it could take much much more. :) |
| 05:55.22 | linagee | rudholm: i've run it at top speed and it's not even warm |
| 05:55.27 | rudholm | linagee: if you ran too much current through it, it would overheat. heat is the limiting factor in the rating of most electric motors. |
| 05:55.39 | linagee | rudholm: it's a hub motor |
| 05:55.50 | linagee | rudholm: so as it goes forward, it's surrounded by air. :) |
| 05:56.01 | rudholm | linagee: once you get to hot, you melt the enamel on the windings, causing shorts, which cause the motor to draw more current, causing more heat... |
| 05:56.15 | rudholm | linagee: yeah, I understand that it's moving |
| 05:56.17 | linagee | rudholm: i think it should have a thermisistor and limit the speed based on that. :) |
| 05:56.26 | linagee | rudholm: in other words, "run the motor until it gets too hot" :) |
| 05:56.30 | JT | vehicles with greater than 200W motors require registration here to be driven or ridden on a road or road related area |
| 05:56.35 | linagee | rudholm: not limited by ameperage or something silly |
| 05:56.54 | linagee | JT: not here. :) |
| 05:57.00 | rudholm | linagee: yeah, but you don't want the unit to cut out. that would be a poor user experience. |
| 05:57.02 | linagee | JT: here it's just an electric bicycle. lol. :-> |
| 05:57.14 | linagee | JT: a very large, scooter electric bicycle. lol. :) |
| 05:57.17 | JT | linagee: i think that means everything just gets a 200W sticker slapped on it |
| 05:57.56 | linagee | rudholm: people shouldn't be following so close that it would matter. argh! |
| 05:58.01 | linagee | rudholm: but yes, i do agree |
| 05:58.36 | rudholm | linagee: so, to compare, my moped got 100MPG, at 3$/gallon, that's also 3 cents per mile |
| 05:58.47 | linagee | rudholm: where do you get 3 cents from |
| 05:58.54 | linagee | rudholm: the six hours i mentioned was an estimate |
| 05:58.56 | rudholm | linagee: of course, when I used it, gasoline was about 1$/gallon, so it was 1 cent per mile |
| 05:59.04 | linagee | rudholm: the 11 minutes to charge for 1 mile was more accurate |
| 05:59.15 | linagee | and 6 amps. that's accurate too. measured with the kill-o-watt. |
| 05:59.24 | rudholm | I got the 3 cents per miles from the numbers you gave me |
| 05:59.51 | linagee | rudholm: even if it was, i'm not paying that |
| 05:59.58 | linagee | rudholm: i took the measurement from my meter |
| 06:00.03 | linagee | rudholm: and the miles i've driven |
| 06:00.05 | rudholm | someone else pays your electric bill? :) |
| 06:00.06 | linagee | and divided it out |
| 06:00.09 | linagee | rudholm: yes |
| 06:00.17 | linagee | rudholm: and i've also charged it elsewhere as well. :) |
| 06:00.23 | linagee | rudholm: everywhere with a plug |
| 06:00.55 | linagee | rudholm: actually, the thing that really kills me is the batteries |
| 06:01.01 | linagee | rudholm: not AT ALL the charging of them |
| 06:01.02 | linagee | hah |
| 06:01.15 | rudholm | why do they kil you? |
| 06:01.21 | linagee | rudholm: the batteries run me $300 to change according to the guy i bought it from. (not sure of their ACTUAL price) |
| 06:01.34 | linagee | rudholm: they are rated for 8,000 miles (but may get 16,000 miles in reality) |
| 06:01.49 | rudholm | how many miles do you have on them so far? |
| 06:01.49 | linagee | rudholm: that works out to about $0.04/mi for batteries |
| 06:01.59 | rudholm | eek |
| 06:02.03 | linagee | so if "fuel" is 1 cent per mile and batteries are 4 cents, that 5 cents a mile |
| 06:02.07 | rudholm | that's like my video projector |
| 06:02.11 | linagee | rudholm: indeed. fsck fuel. it's all about the batteries |
| 06:02.21 | linagee | rudholm: huh? there are 4 batteries. they are standard deep cycle. nothing special. |
| 06:02.32 | linagee | 12V deep cycle battery |
| 06:02.44 | rudholm | so regular lead-acid |
| 06:02.47 | linagee | they may be cheaper by the time i actually have to replace them too since they're standard |
| 06:02.50 | linagee | rudholm: NO |
| 06:02.53 | linagee | rudholm: lead acid is evil |
| 06:02.56 | linagee | rudholm: silicon |
| 06:03.02 | rudholm | silicon and ? |
| 06:03.08 | linagee | lead kills the environment |
| 06:03.17 | linagee | rudholm: not exactly sure. i don't have a model number for the batteries |
| 06:03.25 | rudholm | do you have a brand? |
| 06:03.27 | linagee | rudholm: i'd have to tear apart the bike |
| 06:03.38 | rudholm | they're probably lead acid --same chemistry as in a car battery |
| 06:03.40 | linagee | rudholm: brand = http://www.maxxstarusa.com/ |
| 06:03.41 | rudholm | or motorcycle |
| 06:04.01 | linagee | rudholm: oh btw |
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| 06:04.15 | linagee | rudholm: so those "cents per mile" charging estimates are way off too |
| 06:04.16 | linagee | rudholm: hhe |
| 06:04.20 | rikstah | /j #uncov |
| 06:04.23 | JT | a deep cycle battery is just a lead acid battery with thicker lead places |
| 06:04.23 | linagee | rudholm: remember, it's cheaper than that |
| 06:04.31 | JT | OH GNO THE ENVIRONMENT :P |
| 06:04.37 | linagee | JT: there's different kinds of lead acid batteries |
| 06:04.38 | linagee | er |
| 06:04.41 | linagee | deep cycle. hahaha |
| 06:04.42 | JT | s/places/plates/ |
| 06:04.48 | JT | linagee: you said standard |
| 06:04.54 | linagee | JT: AGM? |
| 06:04.58 | linagee | is AGM lead acid |
| 06:05.07 | rudholm | linagee: they might be gell cells, which are also lead acid |
| 06:05.08 | linagee | if it's not, then it's probably that |
| 06:05.14 | linagee | :) |
| 06:05.35 | linagee | JT: it's a 12V battery |
| 06:05.44 | linagee | JT: i could put a 12V fuel cell in there for all it cares. :P |
| 06:05.58 | linagee | or lead or whatever |
| 06:06.02 | linagee | whatever is cheapest. :-> |
| 06:06.07 | linagee | burn those trees down. :) |
| 06:06.14 | JT | linagee: that is not standard by the way |
| 06:06.21 | JT | AGM is Absorbed Glass Matt |
| 06:06.31 | JT | which just means there's glass fibres between the lead plates |
| 06:06.39 | linagee | JT: a standard deep cycle battery would do the trick when changing it. whatever is cheapest, as i said. :P |
| 06:06.52 | JT | AGM is not cheapest |
| 06:06.58 | linagee | JT: ignore AGM |
| 06:07.09 | linagee | JT: when i replace it, the batteries will be CHEAP. >:-) |
| 06:07.15 | Mavvie | wow. wonder what that one is about. |
| 06:07.32 | linagee | JT: amp hours are all i will be concerned about |
| 06:08.24 | linagee | JT: maybe i could get them for $200 |
| 06:08.32 | linagee | JT: but $50/battery is sort of pushing it i think |
| 06:10.22 | linagee | rudholm: the manufacturer is a bit confused about the whole miles/kilometers thing i think. ;) |
| 06:10.23 | rudholm | yeah, convenient, that. |
| 06:10.40 | linagee | lol |
| 06:10.54 | linagee | rudholm: but it's way cheaper to drive than my car, which was about $0.35/mi |
| 06:10.56 | Mavvie | got it. |
| 06:11.03 | linagee | rudholm: after insurance, fuel, car payments, this and that |
| 06:11.24 | rudholm | linagee: yeah, definitely. the real savings is because you're moving only a couple hundred lbs rather than a few thousand lbs. |
| 06:11.42 | linagee | rudholm: oh oh! |
| 06:11.48 | linagee | rudholm: also normal scooters suck. :p |
| 06:11.58 | rudholm | how so? |
| 06:12.06 | linagee | rudholm: they are loud. this thing is so quiet, i could sneak up on you and you wouldn't even know i was there. :) |
| 06:12.48 | rudholm | yeah, that's cool. |
| 06:12.50 | rudholm | I like silence |
| 06:12.51 | linagee | rudholm: but yes, it does have a DOT approved brake light and headlight, so people on the road should know. :P |
| 06:13.06 | linagee | rudholm: and i have extra reflectors on the back as well |
| 06:13.38 | linagee | rudholm: what's this about the pvt message? lol. |
| 06:13.50 | linagee | oh. hahaha. |
| 06:13.53 | rudholm | haha |
| 06:14.18 | linagee | rudholm: also |
| 06:14.34 | linagee | rudholm: although you may get 90mpg on a scooter, (never heard of 100mpg), they are dirtier. heh |
| 06:14.42 | linagee | rudholm: no EGR valve like a car |
| 06:14.53 | rudholm | my moped was rated at 150MPG |
| 06:15.01 | linagee | rudholm: that's insane |
| 06:15.06 | rudholm | mine was modified, and I lived on a hill, so it only got 100 |
| 06:15.07 | linagee | rudholm: how big was the gas tank? heh |
| 06:15.10 | rudholm | it was a guzzler moped |
| 06:15.13 | linagee | rudholm: i live in SD |
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| 06:15.21 | rudholm | about 0.9 gallons |
| 06:15.26 | linagee | rudholm: mine also gets subpar MPG becaus of hills |
| 06:15.37 | linagee | rudholm: i plan to move out to the east coast. i bet it will just run forever. :) |
| 06:15.40 | rudholm | linagee: yeah, I know you're in SD |
| 06:15.43 | linagee | rudholm: scary |
| 06:15.45 | linagee | rudholm: how |
| 06:15.53 | linagee | rudholm: do i know you? lol |
| 06:15.54 | rudholm | linagee: you mentioned it the other day |
| 06:16.00 | linagee | oh ok. :) |
| 06:16.09 | JT | loose lips sink ships ;) |
| 06:16.39 | linagee | and here? heh |
| 06:17.15 | linagee | rudholm: what was the size of your engine? maximum speed? |
| 06:17.20 | linagee | rudholm: was there a sound rating? |
| 06:17.32 | rudholm | 50cc, rated at 35 MPH, 2 HP |
| 06:17.37 | rudholm | no sound rating that I recal |
| 06:17.37 | linagee | rudholm: OIC! :) |
| 06:17.39 | linagee | 50cc. heheh |
| 06:17.44 | rudholm | it was a two-stroke |
| 06:17.47 | linagee | rudholm: don't you mean 49cc? ;) |
| 06:17.50 | rudholm | brand was "Puch" |
| 06:18.09 | linagee | rudholm: that's cool. i belong to a scooter group. i wish there were more 49ccs so that way i could ride along with them. heh |
| 06:18.09 | rudholm | Styer-Diamler Puch, iirc |
| 06:18.10 | JT | a friend of mine has an RC car that can get up to about 40mph |
| 06:18.17 | JT | it's awesome |
| 06:18.37 | linagee | rudholm: i can get up to 40 or 43mph on my scooter going downhill. lol. (pretty freaky) |
| 06:19.19 | linagee | rudholm: i could carry a faster charger with me, but there are few places i can plug in |
| 06:19.31 | linagee | rudholm: i wish i could charge like, 1 mile driven in 1 minute. :-> |
| 06:19.52 | JT | yeah, make petrol look convenient :P |
| 06:20.05 | rudholm | http://members.fortunecity.com/puchmaxi1/usa001.htm |
| 06:20.07 | rudholm | I had one of those |
| 06:20.08 | linagee | i was thinking of making it a hybrid scooter. LOL |
| 06:20.19 | linagee | i could strap a 1000 or 1200 watt honda generator to the back. :) |
| 06:20.20 | linagee | LOL |
| 06:20.54 | JT | that's not a hybrid |
| 06:20.59 | JT | that's frankenstein |
| 06:21.01 | Mavvie | think I broke that asterisk machine. |
| 06:21.02 | linagee | lol |
| 06:21.09 | linagee | JT: frankenbike |
| 06:21.09 | Mavvie | grub wasn't happy with the changes I made I think. |
| 06:21.30 | Mavvie | annoying. |
| 06:21.33 | linagee | JT: i'd want to actually play with the 1200 watt generator in the store first to see how loud it actually is |
| 06:21.48 | JT | linagee: or more importantly..... WEIGHT |
| 06:21.56 | linagee | JT: :-> |
| 06:22.29 | linagee | JT: this bike is really a city commuter. heh. but i get to go to the grocery store nearly every day for practically free. :-> |
| 06:22.34 | linagee | it's very fun to ride too. :) |
| 06:22.44 | linagee | very quick to accelerate |
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| 06:24.37 | linagee | rudholm: what's the farthest distance you've gone on that scooter? heh. city to city? :) |
| 06:25.03 | rudholm | across L.A., as I recall (I haven't had it in years) |
| 06:25.15 | linagee | rudholm: if it was so cheap, why not? hah |
| 06:25.29 | rudholm | I gave it away |
| 06:25.33 | rudholm | friend of mine needed it |
| 06:25.37 | linagee | rudholm: too loud? |
| 06:25.39 | rudholm | no |
| 06:25.44 | rudholm | friend needed it |
| 06:25.54 | rudholm | it wasn't that loud |
| 06:26.12 | linagee | rudholm: i have a license plate on mine that never expires. :) |
| 06:26.22 | linagee | rudholm: since, again, technically an electric bicycle. :-> |
| 06:26.45 | linagee | rudholm: it's weird to see the DMV sheet. it says, "Expires in 00/00/00" |
| 06:26.59 | rudholm | linagee: yeah, mopeds have the same deal |
| 06:27.11 | rudholm | linagee: you also don't need a motorcycle license to operate them |
| 06:27.18 | linagee | rudholm: yep |
| 06:27.27 | linagee | rudholm: although it's not a bad idea to get one since cops are stupid. heh |
| 06:28.05 | rudholm | linagee: to qualify as a "moped" you have to be <= 2HP, <= 35MPH, <= 50cc, automatic transmission, and have working pedals. |
| 06:28.18 | rudholm | I think cops know |
| 06:28.21 | linagee | rudholm: i passed up someone stalled on their gasoline scooter (i was in the right lane). a cop was behind them. LOL! silly gas powered scooters. :-> |
| 06:28.34 | linagee | rudholm: transmission? what is that? hah |
| 06:28.42 | linagee | rudholm: pedals != required |
| 06:28.49 | linagee | rudholm: i don't have a transmission |
| 06:28.55 | linagee | direct drive baby! :) |
| 06:28.55 | rudholm | I have an M1 anyway, but not because of the moped, I have that because of my open class sport bike. |
| 06:29.26 | linagee | rudholm: there's no need for a transmission in an electric motor. heh |
| 06:29.28 | rudholm | linagee: you do have a transmission, but it's a single-ratio one and has no clutch. |
| 06:29.36 | linagee | rudholm: wrong |
| 06:29.44 | linagee | rudholm: unless if by single ratio you mean, 1:1. lol |
| 06:29.45 | rudholm | it's direct-drive? |
| 06:29.49 | linagee | rudholm: it's a hub motor |
| 06:29.53 | JT | rudholm: electrics often are |
| 06:29.56 | linagee | rudholm: the motor is in the wheel itself. :) |
| 06:30.00 | linagee | very cool |
| 06:30.01 | rudholm | right |
| 06:30.11 | linagee | rudholm: it means that it could be swapped out fairly easily too |
| 06:30.11 | JT | electrics can start from a dead stop and have a lot of torque :) |
| 06:30.21 | rudholm | yeah, electric cars actually predate gasoline ones |
| 06:30.23 | linagee | JT: indeed they can. :) |
| 06:30.32 | linagee | JT: this is no child's toy. it's got disc brakes. :-> |
| 06:30.33 | rudholm | yeah, the torque curve actually slopes down from 0 |
| 06:30.50 | JT | linagee: :) |
| 06:31.18 | rudholm | I worked on an electric car design years ago |
| 06:31.28 | linagee | rudholm: that sucks |
| 06:31.33 | linagee | rudholm: i mean, where are they now? hah |
| 06:31.35 | linagee | :( |
| 06:31.46 | rudholm | no, this was a purpose-built race car |
| 06:31.54 | rudholm | not something designed for mass production |
| 06:31.56 | linagee | oic |
| 06:32.01 | linagee | rudholm: they have motorcycles like that too |
| 06:32.04 | rudholm | for the GM Sunrayce |
| 06:32.13 | linagee | rudholm: sort of silly because they "blow their load" all at once. lol. |
| 06:32.25 | linagee | rudholm: in other words, you might have to get towed back to the starting line. lol |
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| 06:32.53 | JT | linagee: solar.... |
| 06:34.12 | lokkju_wrk | have any of you used exgn.net? |
| 06:34.18 | rudholm | I worked on the PV array, specifically. |
| 06:34.22 | linagee | rudholm: distance is hard to do on just electric. heh |
| 06:34.40 | linagee | rudholm: er, on normal roads. ;) |
| 06:34.46 | JT | linagee: haven't you heard of all these solar car projects? |
| 06:34.50 | JT | it's possible |
| 06:34.51 | linagee | rudholm: i suppose on a solar race you can just cruise it at 15mph. :P |
| 06:35.00 | rudholm | not if it's a "race" |
| 06:35.02 | JT | just impractical as an every day vehicle |
| 06:35.10 | JT | rudholm: it is a race here :) |
| 06:35.25 | linagee | rudholm: 20mph then? |
| 06:35.33 | JT | linagee: they can reach 70mph |
| 06:35.45 | linagee | rudholm: is it feasible for me to ride from say, west coast to east coast on the scooter. heh |
| 06:35.55 | linagee | rudholm: i did the math and with the slow charging, it would take about 41 days. lol |
| 06:36.12 | linagee | rudholm: $350 bus ticket would be far faster. lol. (2 days) |
| 06:36.24 | linagee | rudholm: and a plane flight booked a month ahead of time would be $230 |
| 06:36.29 | JT | it only takes 2 days to cross the usa? |
| 06:36.39 | linagee | JT: i guess it's a fast bus.. true... ? |
| 06:36.44 | linagee | *shrug* |
| 06:36.48 | JT | linagee: how far apart are the coasts? |
| 06:36.51 | linagee | JT: oh, i think that's going 24/7. heh |
| 06:36.54 | JT | ah |
| 06:37.00 | linagee | JT: so that's like 48 hours of driving. :) |
| 06:37.01 | JT | multiple drivers nonstop, i see |
| 06:37.05 | JT | right |
| 06:37.06 | linagee | JT: i'm not sure how they work that |
| 06:37.14 | JT | 2 drivers |
| 06:37.14 | linagee | JT: yeah. they may have a dual redundant set of drivers onboard. :) |
| 06:37.17 | linagee | JT: jinxd |
| 06:37.21 | linagee | JT: hot spare driver. :) |
| 06:37.26 | rudholm | failover |
| 06:37.31 | linagee | JT: and toilet onboard for passengers. lol |
| 06:37.36 | rudholm | and food |
| 06:37.39 | linagee | JT: the only problem with that |
| 06:37.41 | rudholm | and showers |
| 06:37.48 | linagee | JT: was that i couldn't find if they had power ports for laptops. :( |
| 06:37.57 | JT | it takes at least 42 hours of driving to cross this country between east and west coasts :) |
| 06:38.06 | linagee | JT: i mean, i could survive without a shower for a day or two. and food could be taken along |
| 06:38.14 | linagee | JT: but only 1 charge worth of lappy time!! ?!?! :( |
| 06:38.30 | JT | linagee: 4100km between coasts here |
| 06:38.40 | linagee | JT: sounds about right |
| 06:38.45 | JT | australia |
| 06:38.45 | linagee | JT: why km? heh. ;) |
| 06:38.53 | JT | because km is smart |
| 06:38.53 | linagee | oh |
| 06:38.54 | JT | :P |
| 06:38.56 | linagee | :P |
| 06:39.09 | linagee | JT: not sure how i would do the lappy thing |
| 06:39.18 | linagee | JT: maybe i could bring like a HUGE battery back along. lol |
| 06:39.33 | JT | maybe you'd take a plane |
| 06:39.33 | linagee | how many AH would the battery have to be to last a 42 hour bus trip? :) |
| 06:39.36 | linagee | JT: true |
| 06:39.43 | linagee | JT: i think i'm going to be doing that after all |
| 06:40.00 | linagee | JT: not because it's faster, but because it's cheaper. :) |
| 06:40.03 | JT | linagee: depends how inefficient your laptop is |
| 06:40.14 | linagee | JT: say... 8 watts of power continual usage |
| 06:40.29 | linagee | uhm... 19 volts |
| 06:40.33 | JT | lol 8 watts |
| 06:40.37 | linagee | yes |
| 06:40.40 | JT | you dreamer |
| 06:40.42 | linagee | JT: why is it lol 8 watts |
| 06:40.49 | linagee | JT: about 5 watts at idle |
| 06:40.50 | JT | most laptops use more than that |
| 06:40.56 | linagee | JT: mine is very low power |
| 06:40.58 | linagee | JT: Pentium M |
| 06:41.04 | JT | uhuh |
| 06:41.05 | linagee | JT: and linux takes up load |
| 06:41.06 | linagee | s |
| 06:41.12 | linagee | :( |
| 06:41.32 | linagee | JT: gimme a sec to prove it. remmeber, i've got a kill-o-watt. :) |
| 06:41.46 | linagee | n/, |
| 06:41.50 | linagee | n/m i'd lose net connection. heh |
| 06:41.59 | JT | that doesn't measure power between battery and laptop |
| 06:42.06 | linagee | JT: ?? |
| 06:42.18 | linagee | JT: plug into kill-o-watt, remove battery... |
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| 06:42.24 | linagee | then it's just all on the AC |
| 06:42.38 | JT | i'm not sure how accurate that sort of thing would be down low |
| 06:42.46 | JT | remember it needs to be average draw too |
| 06:42.54 | linagee | JT: it stores kWh |
| 06:43.06 | JT | as usage of things like hard drive and cd drive use more energy |
| 06:43.08 | linagee | and minutes of usage |
| 06:43.15 | JT | yeah, so, i am still not sure about accuracy |
| 06:43.19 | linagee | JT: that's why i said 8 watts and not 5 |
| 06:43.33 | JT | you need very precise instrumentation |
| 06:43.35 | linagee | JT: about 2.5 watts for the screen, 2.5 watts for everything else |
| 06:43.41 | linagee | JT: this is a very precise instrument |
| 06:43.52 | JT | for large applicances perhaps |
| 06:43.55 | linagee | no |
| 06:44.40 | linagee | JT: http://www.p3international.com/products/special/P4400/P4400-CE.html |
| 06:44.49 | linagee | it says +/- 0.2% accuracy. :) |
| 06:45.46 | linagee | JT: a clamp on meter may be a bit more accurate, but it's not in a neat little package. :) |
| 06:46.05 | linagee | JT: and i'm sure that's actually all it is inside. lol |
| 06:46.13 | linagee | a stationary clamp on amp meter. lol |
| 06:46.36 | JT | maybe, maybe not |
| 06:47.04 | linagee | JT: essentially |
| 06:47.25 | linagee | JT: to measure the current in line, it would have to have one heck of a cooling circuit. heh |
| 06:47.39 | linagee | measuring using a clamp on is much easier |
| 06:47.47 | linagee | relative voltage generated from the coil. :) |
| 06:47.50 | JT | you don't have to draw heaps of current to measure it |
| 06:48.07 | linagee | JT: you have to pass the heaps of current through your measuring device |
| 06:48.18 | linagee | and if you weren't you'd be a clamp on circuit. :) |
| 06:48.45 | linagee | (or the same concept as one anyway) |
| 06:48.53 | JT | you know current is only drawn as a result of resistance right? not just because the current is there |
| 06:49.07 | linagee | JT: of course. |
| 06:49.16 | linagee | JT: you can't just say, "there is 15 amps at this wall outlet" |
| 06:49.23 | linagee | JT: that's one of the sucky things with my bike. :( |
| 06:49.42 | linagee | JT: i COULD get a 15 amp charger, but i don't know if the plug at where i'm charging it at could handle that. hah |
| 06:49.49 | linagee | there may be other devices on that line. :( |
| 06:49.58 | JT | haha, lame US power circuits |
| 06:50.03 | linagee | bah |
| 06:50.04 | JT | with your pissweak ratings ;) |
| 06:50.12 | linagee | JT: we have 220V |
| 06:50.19 | JT | heh |
| 06:50.19 | linagee | JT: it's just nowhere to be found. lol |
| 06:50.27 | linagee | JT: like for washers and dryers and such. hah |
| 06:50.32 | linagee | JT: not outside stores and such. :) |
| 06:50.34 | rudholm | yeah, my service is 240 |
| 06:50.43 | JT | it's 240V here, and the amount you can pull out of a domestic socket is far higher than in the US |
| 06:50.54 | linagee | JT: still 15A breaker? |
| 06:51.02 | JT | 16A breaker |
| 06:51.07 | linagee | ?? |
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| 06:51.12 | linagee | why such an odd number |
| 06:51.15 | JT | for 10A power points |
| 06:51.16 | linagee | :P |
| 06:51.18 | JT | tolerances |
| 06:51.28 | rudholm | european outlets are rated lower |
| 06:51.29 | linagee | aha! |
| 06:51.32 | linagee | so it's 10amps |
| 06:51.37 | JT | and 15A sockets are usually dedicated |
| 06:51.41 | JT | with 16A breakers |
| 06:51.47 | JT | or 20A breakers sometimes |
| 06:51.50 | linagee | JT: sounds complicated. :) |
| 06:51.54 | JT | hardly |
| 06:52.06 | linagee | JT: why not just have a digital system where the device says, "i need 15 amps, can you do it?" (like USB) |
| 06:54.30 | JT | linagee: simple maths, we can pull a lot more power than you can from a domestic socket |
| 06:54.30 | JT | linagee: that's way too complicated |
| 06:54.30 | linagee | JT: it may happen in the future. :) |
| 06:54.30 | linagee | stay tuned. :) |
| 06:54.31 | JT | 240 * 10 = 2400VA |
| 06:54.31 | rudholm | US domestic outlets are actually often 120v and 20A, |
| 06:54.31 | JT | 20A per socket? |
| 06:54.31 | rudholm | yeah |
| 06:54.31 | linagee | which is 2400VA too... heh |
| 06:54.31 | rudholm | well, per circuit |
| 06:54.31 | linagee | JT: 15A breaker is all that's guaranteed |
| 06:54.31 | rudholm | so you wouldn't want to pull 20 from each |
| 06:54.32 | linagee | JT: there could be more, but you wouldn't know it |
| 06:54.32 | rudholm | outlet |
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| 06:54.32 | linagee | JT: or maybe the breaker will go off at 25 amps and you could pull 20 amps |
| 06:54.32 | rudholm | my breakers aren't 15A, they're 20A |
| 06:54.32 | JT | linagee: well on our normal circuits you can pull up to 3840VA |
| 06:54.33 | rudholm | but my service is also 240, which is typical for US homes |
| 06:54.33 | linagee | rudholm: it would depend on how good your wiring is. :) |
| 06:55.36 | JT | 2400VA was the 10A socket max |
| 06:55.37 | rudholm | 240V, three-phase |
| 06:55.37 | linagee | JT: 3840 / 700 = ? |
| 06:55.37 | JT | in reality, equipment can draw more |
| 06:55.37 | JT | 240 * 16 |
| 06:55.37 | linagee | 5.5 |
| 06:55.38 | linagee | you could charge the bike in about an hour instead of six. :) |
| 06:55.38 | linagee | that's about 2 minutes per 1 mile. :) |
| 06:55.38 | linagee | not bad |
| 06:55.51 | JT | is it a 12v battery for your bike? |
| 06:55.52 | linagee | of course then you'd have to give the batteries extra cooling too while you're charging them as they'd get hotter |
| 06:56.02 | linagee | JT: 12V in series. 48V charger. |
| 06:56.06 | JT | heh |
| 06:56.08 | linagee | 4 batteries |
| 06:56.19 | linagee | 6 amp 48 volt charger. :) |
| 06:56.20 | JT | i have a 125A @ 12VDC power supply |
| 06:56.24 | JT | 100% duty cycle |
| 06:56.38 | rudholm | JT: that sounds like a welder :) |
| 06:56.41 | JT | oh i also have a -48VDC telco power supply, 700W iirc |
| 06:56.47 | JT | rudholm: it's the size of a shoebox :) |
| 06:56.52 | JT | rudholm: ex cray supercomputer |
| 06:56.56 | linagee | JT: with a fan i hope? |
| 06:56.58 | JT | yes |
| 06:57.01 | linagee | JT: my 6 amp charger has a fan |
| 06:57.28 | linagee | hrm. a fan is not really needed per say... it really depends on how efficient your charging circuit is. :) |
| 06:57.49 | JT | rudholm: my MIG welder puts out 250A @ 60% duty cycle at up to 28VDC i think (the exact voltage isn't that important in welding) |
| 06:57.59 | JT | that uses a 15A power socket :) |
| 06:58.05 | JT | as does my air compressor |
| 06:58.06 | linagee | JT: 28VDC??!?! yikes |
| 06:58.08 | linagee | JT: FSCK |
| 06:58.22 | JT | linagee: it has to melt steel, what you you expect :P |
| 06:58.28 | JT | it can weld thick plate steel |
| 06:58.31 | rudholm | a lot of them are even lower, like down in the single digits V |
| 06:58.34 | linagee | JT: i've measured 55VDC from the battery packs before. (of course it's more than 48V from the floating voltage) |
| 06:58.51 | linagee | JT: imagine if i accidentally shorted my meter leads when i was measuring the voltage?!?!?! FSCK!! |
| 06:58.57 | linagee | JT: they would have welded??? |
| 06:58.59 | linagee | lol |
| 06:59.00 | linagee | yikes |
| 06:59.16 | JT | linagee: well the welder can pull over 5kW instantaneously from the mains |
| 06:59.26 | linagee | JT: there's a 60A breaker on the bike itself |
| 06:59.34 | linagee | JT: i'm not sure if it's before or after the charging socket. heh. |
| 06:59.46 | JT | it often draws more than 15A @ 240V |
| 07:00.14 | linagee | JT: batteries could probably source a whole head of current if they were directly shorted. yikes |
| 07:00.25 | JT | linagee: with regards to your leads, the correct word is "vapourised" |
| 07:00.26 | linagee | s/head/heap/ |
| 07:00.40 | linagee | JT: me or the leads? :-/ |
| 07:00.48 | linagee | JT: i bet it would melt in my hand |
| 07:00.53 | JT | linagee: yes, telco bus bars can supply instantaneous currents of over 10000A @ -48VDC if shorted |
| 07:01.06 | linagee | JT: lick it. lol |
| 07:01.10 | JT | linagee: the metal components of normal multimeter leads would be instantly turned into vapour |
| 07:01.22 | linagee | JT: wtf? |
| 07:01.48 | JT | linagee: telco bus bars can vapourise 12" shifter handles in a fraction of a second |
| 07:02.00 | linagee | shifter handle? |
| 07:02.01 | JT | as in an adjustable wrench |
| 07:02.06 | linagee | ah |
| 07:02.42 | linagee | JT: frap |
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| 07:02.52 | JT | you know, 1.5" byt 1/4" profile steel |
| 07:02.53 | JT | :P |
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| 07:03.24 | linagee | JT: i have a little circuit to steal juice from the battery |
| 07:03.37 | linagee | JT: it converts the 48VDC to 5VDC. but i need 12VDC. :( |
| 07:03.46 | linagee | JT: for cigarette lighter appliances |
| 07:03.58 | JT | but normal telco bus bars run at between 500-2000A average current draw |
| 07:04.07 | linagee | that's absolute madness |
| 07:04.15 | JT | depending on the exchange setup |
| 07:04.26 | linagee | JT: use 100% digital |
| 07:04.30 | JT | ? |
| 07:04.34 | linagee | JT: then you'd no longer have to do such insane things |
| 07:04.45 | JT | equipment still requires power... |
| 07:04.48 | linagee | JT: it's for sourcing 48VDC for ring voltages and such, right? |
| 07:05.03 | linagee | JT: right, but if you had digital signaling to every handset, it would need much less power, right? |
| 07:05.18 | JT | linagee: yes, it would use less, somewhat |
| 07:05.22 | JT | but a LOT of stuff uses power |
| 07:05.28 | linagee | like what? |
| 07:05.29 | JT | than just the loop battery |
| 07:05.33 | linagee | do they have a blender in there? lol |
| 07:05.48 | JT | like the switch frames |
| 07:05.49 | linagee | "and here is our rack mount blender" |
| 07:05.52 | JT | multiplexers |
| 07:05.55 | linagee | mmmmm |
| 07:05.57 | JT | and these days, servers, dslams |
| 07:05.58 | linagee | banana shakes |
| 07:06.04 | rudholm | linagee: consider an internet datacenter. no loop voltage to worry about there, but they still draw a lot of power |
| 07:06.09 | JT | other transmission gears |
| 07:06.11 | JT | -s |
| 07:06.42 | linagee | JT: engineers being lazy. heh |
| 07:06.58 | linagee | JT: if it used less power, it would save money for datacenters and even more importantly, cooling. heh |
| 07:07.00 | JT | linagee: yes but the power is often used |
| 07:07.14 | JT | apparently terminating hundreds of thousands of circuits and switching them uses power |
| 07:13.12 | JT | servers use heaps too |
| 07:13.12 | linagee | JT: use pentium M chips. :) |
| 07:13.12 | linagee | JT: and sun has a very energy efficient server, right? :) |
| 07:13.12 | JT | linagee: and an "idiot inside" sticker? :P |
| 07:13.12 | linagee | 8 cores or some jazz? :) |
| 07:13.12 | JT | suns are pretty efficient usually |
| 07:13.12 | JT | 8 cores, 32 threads |
| 07:13.13 | linagee | compile asterisk on that. :) |
| 07:13.13 | JT | each core does 4 threads (sort of like HT) |
| 07:13.13 | JT | Sunfire T2000 |
| 07:13.13 | linagee | yes! |
| 07:13.13 | linagee | JT: exact monster i was thinking of. :) |
| 07:13.13 | rudholm | their Niagra systems are supposed to be pretty efficient |
| 07:13.14 | JT | i was thinking of trialling one |
| 07:13.15 | JT | for free |
| 07:13.15 | linagee | JT: do the data center math. heh |
| 07:13.15 | linagee | JT: less electrical power, less cooling. heh |
| 07:13.15 | linagee | cha-ching! |
| 07:13.15 | JT | the finance maths is worth looking at too |
| 07:13.15 | JT | linagee: but who cares if the DC charges you the same no matter what server you use |
| 07:13.17 | linagee | JT: dollar per megaflop. :) |
| 07:13.17 | linagee | JT: what if you own it. heh |
| 07:13.17 | linagee | JT: for instance, maybe their own management servers. heh |
| 07:13.17 | JT | then it would have poor facilities most likely |
| 07:13.17 | JT | yeah |
| 07:13.17 | linagee | ?? |
| 07:13.17 | JT | for Internet stuff, you can't beat a real purpose built datacentre |
| 07:13.18 | linagee | JT: maybe they should give you a discount for using less power. :) |
| 07:13.19 | linagee | JT: or they should charge for power. ;) |
| 07:13.19 | JT | nah, they give you a quota |
| 07:13.20 | JT | they charge you more or get the shits if you use blade servers |
| 07:13.20 | JT | they do in their fee |
| 07:13.20 | linagee | ?? |
| 07:13.20 | linagee | "get the shits if you use blade servers"? |
| 07:13.20 | JT | you have a power budget |
| 07:13.20 | linagee | JT: CRAC budget. :) |
| 07:13.20 | JT | yeah no shit, those things can pull up to 15A @ 240V within 6RU, there goes your whole rack's power budget |
| 07:13.21 | JT | messes up their cooling budget too |
| 07:13.21 | linagee | JT: quick! buy more CRAC! :) |
| 07:13.21 | linagee | lol |
| 07:13.51 | JT | i was in a datacentre on the weekend |
| 07:13.51 | JT | there was 3 racks next to each other with a blade server in the bottom |
| 07:13.51 | linagee | JT: interesting. seems like a very delicate equation. heh |
| 07:13.52 | JT | that's all that was in each rack |
| 07:13.52 | JT | waste of space |
| 07:13.56 | JT | they should've just bought normal servers |
| 07:14.05 | linagee | JT: rack full of blade servers. :) |
| 07:14.22 | JT | linagee: would overload weight, power and cooling |
| 07:14.33 | linagee | JT: you're no fun. :P |
| 07:14.59 | linagee | JT: we want racks full of blade servers. oooo. teraflops per rack. :) |
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| 07:15.06 | JT | blades seem to only really work in datacentres you run and design for them, at the moment |
| 07:15.35 | JT | linagee: one company with the most space there, had the central cooled water pipes connected directly into their servers |
| 07:15.58 | linagee | JT: old cray? heh |
| 07:16.02 | JT | no |
| 07:16.04 | JT | new stuff |
| 07:16.07 | JT | renderfarm |
| 07:16.17 | JT | they do the animations for a lot of hollywood productions |
| 07:16.28 | linagee | JT: crazy aussies. heh |
| 07:16.30 | linagee | :) |
| 07:16.36 | JT | linagee: american movies too :P |
| 07:16.56 | linagee | JT: data import/export through the submarine cables. :) |
| 07:17.01 | JT | that's pretty much all they work on, american movies |
| 07:17.05 | JT | some pretty big names |
| 07:17.08 | linagee | "here's your .3DS" "here's your movie" heh |
| 07:17.23 | JT | heh, the datacentre is only a couple of hops from LA |
| 07:17.31 | linagee | JT: ... |
| 07:17.32 | linagee | weird |
| 07:17.39 | linagee | JT: so they have their own fiber or something? lol |
| 07:17.46 | JT | it's the second biggest carrier neutral DC in australa |
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| 07:17.50 | basty | hi |
| 07:18.10 | basty | how to patch Asterisk 1.2.17 with the Asterisk 1.2.18.patch File ? (patch -p0) ? |
| 07:18.10 | JT | no, it just has interconnects to the southern cross cable network going into it |
| 07:18.18 | JT | probably 4 hops to LA, max |
| 07:18.19 | linagee | JT: i heard kiwis and aussies are pretty fierce with each other if you trap them in a cage. :) |
| 07:18.33 | JT | southern cross lands in CA |
| 07:18.36 | JT | and sydney, AU |
| 07:18.42 | JT | the datacentre is in sydney |
| 07:19.23 | linagee | JT: do you know much about the kiwis? |
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| 07:20.26 | JT | sure |
| 07:20.36 | JT | linagee: southern cross's current capacity is 240Gbit/s |
| 07:20.45 | JT | it is being upgraded to 1.2Tbit/s |
| 07:21.04 | linagee | JT: is that an online upgrade? LOL |
| 07:21.19 | linagee | JT: how do they switch optical transcievers without interrupting traffic? heh |
| 07:21.40 | JT | linagee: it's a dual loop topology |
| 07:21.47 | linagee | oic |
| 07:21.59 | linagee | JT: seems like a lot of the stuff in a data center. hhe |
| 07:22.04 | JT | 2 physically diverse legs to NZ |
| 07:22.05 | linagee | JT: how to upgrade? one at a time. :) |
| 07:22.30 | JT | 2 diverse legs to hawaii, one leg hits Figi also, then 2 diverse routes from hawaii to CA, USA |
| 07:22.40 | JT | Fiji even |
| 07:22.52 | linagee | Fuji film |
| 07:23.16 | JT | they're upgrading capacity by changing from 16 to 40 wavelengths per fibre |
| 07:23.27 | JT | theres 3 fibre pairs per bearer |
| 07:23.30 | linagee | JT: they just change the GBICs on their switch? ;) lol |
| 07:23.43 | linagee | JT: or is that an "IT kids term" :) |
| 07:23.47 | JT | you haven't seen much DWDM gear have you? ;) |
| 07:23.51 | JT | yes probably :P |
| 07:23.53 | linagee | no |
| 07:23.56 | linagee | haven't |
| 07:24.21 | JT | it's a few couple of racks of gear to pull down and interface will all wavelengths |
| 07:24.44 | JT | it cost US$1.5 billion to build the Southern Cross Cable Networkit cost US$1.5 billion to build the Southern Cross Cable Network |
| 07:24.50 | JT | oops,. double paste |
| 07:24.59 | linagee | JT: i wonder how much the support contract on that is. LOL! |
| 07:25.24 | JT | nice Did you know that our network has 462 optical repeaters under the sea and each one cost over one million dollars?Did you know that our network has 462 optical repeaters under the sea and each one cost over one million dollars? |
| 07:25.27 | linagee | if by "support contract" you mean fixing the cable when it breaks and upgrading DWDM equipment. heh |
| 07:25.33 | JT | gar, what is with the doubles |
| 07:25.45 | linagee | ??? |
| 07:26.08 | linagee | each repeater is a million dollars? let me guess, when they upgrade the DWDM stuff, they have to upgrade the repeaters too. heh |
| 07:26.22 | JT | linagee: i don't think so |
| 07:26.26 | JT | probably just the end points |
| 07:26.39 | JT | there's be no point digging up every repeater |
| 07:26.42 | linagee | JT: do they have some sort of RF beacon they send out to make the cable easier to find? heh |
| 07:26.47 | JT | you may aswell lay a new cable |
| 07:26.55 | JT | linagee: good maps and sonar would be enough |
| 07:27.09 | linagee | JT: i'm sure the cable moves. :) |
| 07:27.19 | JT | linagee: optical fibre amplifiers are pure optical and don't care how many wavelengths they run on each |
| 07:27.27 | JT | linagee: only with earthquake or ships' anchor |
| 07:27.28 | linagee | hmm |
| 07:27.40 | linagee | JT: that's a bit weird |
| 07:27.52 | linagee | "optical fibre amplifier that doesn't care about wavelengths" |
| 07:28.16 | linagee | JT: i mean, obviously there's a switching speed on the amplifier, right? heh |
| 07:28.28 | linagee | unless it's like an optical circuit or something alien like that |
| 07:28.54 | JT | linagee: basically a Y coupler connects incoming fibre, and a 980nm pump laser diode, and that connects to a section of specialised fibre known as Erbium Doped Fibre, erbium doped fibre aplifies the comms at 1550nm using the 980nm pump laser for power |
| 07:28.59 | JT | it's purely optical |
| 07:29.08 | JT | except for electricity into the pump laser |
| 07:29.42 | linagee | so then the pump laser has to switch on and off? |
| 07:29.54 | JT | nope |
| 07:29.56 | JT | constant on |
| 07:29.59 | linagee | hmmmm.... |
| 07:30.00 | linagee | weird |
| 07:30.06 | linagee | JT: so it's sort of like....... |
| 07:30.57 | linagee | JT: if you were driving along the freeway and people were standing along side the road and pushing your car to keep up the speed? |
| 07:31.05 | linagee | (if they had incredibly fast hands. heh) |
| 07:31.12 | JT | exactly |
| 07:31.20 | JT | it boosts the 1550nm payload signal |
| 07:31.20 | linagee | weird |
| 07:31.28 | JT | using optical power from 980nm |
| 07:31.42 | linagee | JT: but.. |
| 07:31.53 | linagee | JT: there's more than one fiber in there, right? heh |
| 07:32.02 | JT | linagee: each fibre has their own |
| 07:32.02 | linagee | JT: so there like, dozens and dozens of these "optical pumps"? heh |
| 07:32.06 | linagee | yikes |
| 07:32.11 | JT | linagee: southern cross has 3 fibre pairs in each cable |
| 07:32.14 | linagee | JT: all on one easy to deploy unit. heh |
| 07:32.17 | JT | 6 fibres |
| 07:32.55 | linagee | JT: 6 fibers lit, you mean? :) |
| 07:33.06 | linagee | JT: they might have 100 fibers in there, but they're all dark fiber. :) |
| 07:33.07 | JT | total i think |
| 07:33.12 | JT | probably not |
| 07:33.16 | JT | not for undersea stuff |
| 07:33.20 | linagee | waiting for someone to pay megabucks to have them lit |
| 07:33.22 | JT | you just need a few that work |
| 07:33.44 | JT | there could be spares, i have no idea |
| 07:34.09 | JT | but they'd all need amps |
| 07:34.15 | JT | at every station |
| 07:34.34 | linagee | JT: unless they just have someone go to each station and change things around. :) |
| 07:34.43 | JT | uneconomical |
| 07:34.46 | linagee | JT: it would be costly, but cheaper than buying/deploying a whole new cable |
| 07:34.52 | JT | doubt it |
| 07:35.05 | JT | labour is what costs |
| 07:35.05 | linagee | JT: not really. just untrench a section at a time, then redrop it. you could move along the cable and do this, even. :) |
| 07:35.30 | linagee | JT: 500 repeaters is not that much. :) |
| 07:35.37 | JT | yes really, the cost would be very similar to install a new cable |
| 07:35.39 | linagee | (four hundred whatever) |
| 07:35.49 | JT | we have other submarine bandwidth anyway |
| 07:35.58 | linagee | right, but the cable itself costs a lot too |
| 07:36.02 | JT | 640Gbit/s to Japan |
| 07:36.07 | JT | upgradeable |
| 07:36.29 | JT | few hundred Gbit/s to mayalsia/singapore europe |
| 07:36.44 | JT | and satellites of course |
| 07:36.44 | linagee | JT: that must be a pretty weird agreement for intercontinental links. heh |
| 07:36.48 | linagee | JT: who pays who. :) |
| 07:37.02 | JT | linagee: a company usually owns the cable |
| 07:37.06 | JT | people who use it pay |
| 07:37.09 | JT | or have shares in it |
| 07:37.30 | linagee | hmm |
| 07:37.53 | JT | i've seen the cable termination building for the AJC (Australia Japan Cable) |
| 07:38.05 | JT | it's only an inch thick, the feeder that reaches the building |
| 07:38.14 | JT | couple of racks of dwdm gear |
| 07:38.34 | JT | of course, the other landing point for AJC was about 20km further down the coast in sydney |
| 07:38.49 | linagee | hmm |
| 07:38.54 | linagee | for the other ring? |
| 07:39.03 | linagee | er, the failover? heh |
| 07:39.05 | JT | yeah, they land on the other side of the city |
| 07:39.07 | JT | different beach |
| 07:39.08 | JT | yeah |
| 07:39.39 | linagee | JT: is there fiber that runs through australia as well? |
| 07:39.48 | JT | of course |
| 07:39.54 | linagee | JT: and it runs along highways? heh |
| 07:39.56 | JT | there are lots of fibre networks on land |
| 07:40.00 | JT | not sure exactly where |
| 07:40.04 | JT | i assume a lot does |
| 07:40.09 | linagee | JT: that's mainly how they do it here |
| 07:40.15 | linagee | JT: follows interstate freeways. heh |
| 07:40.16 | JT | but that stuff is nowhere near as high profile as submarine cables |
| 07:40.25 | JT | lots of telcos have interstate fibre |
| 07:40.27 | linagee | JT: makes it easier to deploy, easier to maintain, etc. |
| 07:40.36 | JT | probably only the big ones own their own fibre though |
| 07:40.48 | JT | because our state capitals are so far apart |
| 07:41.02 | JT | i've heard one telco here uses shipping containers for regeneration stations :) |
| 07:41.12 | linagee | regeneration?? |
| 07:41.17 | linagee | is that some sort of alien technology? |
| 07:41.32 | JT | i discussed this earlier, converting the light signals back into electrical and retiming them |
| 07:41.38 | linagee | hmm |
| 07:41.50 | JT | and amplification |
| 07:42.43 | linagee | so if the submarine cable got "tugged at" really hard, the shipping container would be pulled into the ocean? heh |
| 07:42.55 | JT | no, this is for interstate links |
| 07:42.59 | linagee | oh |
| 07:43.11 | JT | the undersea ones land in telco facilities at each side |
| 07:43.37 | linagee | i bet they have slack at each side or something |
| 07:43.44 | linagee | just in case the cable gets snagged. lol |
| 07:43.45 | JT | i'm sure they do |
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| 07:43.58 | JT | it's buried, close to shore |
| 07:44.10 | linagee | ah |
| 07:44.16 | JT | there's also no anchor zones, federal crime to drop anchor or do fishing nearr the cables |
| 07:44.24 | linagee | lol |
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| 07:44.38 | linagee | "keep your nets away from our internets!!!" |
| 07:44.47 | JT | heh |
| 07:45.00 | JT | cuts are expensive to repair, even close to shore :) |
| 07:45.48 | linagee | JT: that ship did not look small. i'm sure there's quite a large crew that deals with the cable. heh |
| 07:46.13 | linagee | (a lot of mouthes to feed) |
| 07:46.55 | JT | yes, the ships are pretty big |
| 07:47.03 | linagee | JT: HAH |
| 07:47.05 | linagee | itneresting |
| 07:47.10 | linagee | JT: ever seen this? :) http://www.wdmblog.com/ |
| 07:47.51 | linagee | columbia to florida? what are they going to send drugs by optical fiber now or something? hah |
| 07:49.44 | linagee | "Huawei’s … network solutions enable Hibernia’s system to grow to 80 wavelengths at 10 Gigabits" |
| 07:49.51 | linagee | huh? do they just stack new wavelengths on or something? |
| 07:50.06 | linagee | they make it seem so easy. heh |
| 07:51.03 | JT | that's exactly what they do |
| 07:51.08 | JT | they're just different frequencies |
| 07:51.40 | linagee | JT: and each new frequency is handled by a new module or something? heh |
| 07:53.12 | JT | it's just a couple of Y splitters and a bragg grating |
| 07:53.21 | linagee | JT: i don't get that |
| 07:53.26 | linagee | JT: can they just keep stackng? heh |
| 07:53.35 | linagee | JT: or will they hit some stacking roof? heh |
| 07:53.41 | linagee | i mean ceiling |
| 07:55.10 | JT | it mainly depends on the type of fibre in use, the selectivity of the bragg gratings, and making sure there's no crosstalk |
| 07:55.30 | linagee | hmm |
| 07:56.55 | linagee | JT: is DWDM used just for submarine cables, or land based too? |
| 07:57.20 | JT | land too |
| 07:57.25 | JT | depends on the company |
| 07:57.30 | linagee | makes sense... |
| 07:57.40 | linagee | so they just add in more and more modules and get more and more speed. hahaha |
| 07:58.04 | JT | yes, as long as they do it at the endpoints, and any regeneration stations |
| 07:58.38 | linagee | JT: of course |
| 07:58.46 | linagee | JT: thats what technicians are for. heh |
| 07:58.53 | linagee | JT: "ok everyone. add it.... NOW!" heh. :) |
| 07:59.39 | linagee | JT: "alright. now you can play quake and counterstrike faster than ever with even lower lag" LOL |
| 08:00.01 | linagee | or, "insert new hip game here" |
| 08:01.33 | JT | the lag would hardly change |
| 08:01.49 | JT | that depends more on how well the endpoint gear was built :) |
| 08:02.20 | linagee | lol. nice. "a recent Environment Canada study found no statistical difference between the greenhouse gas emissions of regular unleaded fuel and 10 per cent ethanol-blended fuel" |
| 08:02.48 | linagee | JT: they make you buy 10% ethanol in your fuel here |
| 08:02.55 | JT | ok |
| 08:03.04 | linagee | because someone thought it was a good idea |
| 08:03.33 | JT | fuel is shit in north america, you could do with some ethanol |
| 08:04.09 | linagee | JT: personally, i say we should be using 100% ethanol. starve out those foreign oil providers. heh |
| 08:04.17 | JT | hweh |
| 08:04.49 | linagee | JT: then maybe we'd be like, "oh wait, why are we in iraq if we don't need oil anymore" |
| 08:04.55 | linagee | lol |
| 08:05.04 | JT | as if you'll be able to get that volume |
| 08:05.15 | linagee | oh i mean. that's not why we're in iraq. lol. no, of course not. hahahah |
| 08:05.21 | JT | ethanol is a little bit of a false economy here, probably there too |
| 08:05.24 | linagee | </sarcasm> |
| 08:05.30 | JT | they get government subsidies/breaks here |
| 08:05.58 | JoeMoes | anyone know, how to hangup a dead sip channel like this: 192.168.202.117 7266 057921463b5 00101/1901680719 ulaw No Rx: ACK |
| 08:06.05 | linagee | JT: i think what companies here have not learned yet is that you can import ethanol from so many foreign countries. we're no longer limited just to the middle east. |
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| 08:11.16 | deegan | Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong when you issue a PlayBack command and the cli clearly shows the playback command executed without error but the sound never plays and the Hangup() that is to be issued when the sound is done never happens. |
| 08:12.15 | deegan | I've done echo test, the echo test itself works but no Playback commands seem to work. |
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| 08:16.45 | JoeMoes | ah ive got it... "show channels" and "soft hangup <channel>" |
| 08:19.36 | juliusspencer | hi... just wondering if anyone knows how to find out the pci version of the pci slots in the motherboard in linux? |
| 08:20.53 | Alystair | I recommend that you ask that in #linux |
| 08:23.16 | juliusspencer | it's just that I just got a digium card and it's not coming up in lspci on a couple of computers |
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| 08:30.51 | juliusspencer | hi anyone know how I can test if my motherboard is compatible with an asterisk card? |
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| 08:36.32 | alexzz | can somebody tell me where i can get some docs to configure a basic asterisk service on fedora core 6, i have installed the packages and asterisk seems to be up and running......i want to do a basic configuration just to test the card..... |
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| 08:37.36 | alexzz | i am newbie to asterisk and telephony.....so the conf files are pretty confusing to me..... |
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| 08:45.29 | jm|laptop | alexzz: www.voip-info.org is a great place to start |
| 08:46.00 | jm|laptop | alexzz: just drop 'extensions.conf' and 'sip.conf' and 'variables' in to its own search engine |
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| 09:30.03 | alexzz | can somebody tell me what this means.... |
| 09:30.16 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/astguiclient_2.0.3b5.zip |
| 09:30.16 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/install.pl |
| 09:30.16 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/sounds |
| 09:30.17 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/translations |
| 09:30.17 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/INSTALL |
| 09:30.18 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/version |
| 09:30.18 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/docs |
| 09:30.20 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/www |
| 09:30.22 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/agi |
| 09:30.24 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/LANG_www |
| 09:30.26 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/extras |
| 09:30.28 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/UPGRADE |
| 09:30.30 | alexzz | file:///home/alex/Desktop/bin |
| 09:30.34 | alexzz | sorry |
| 09:31.01 | Polis_ttt | alexzz: it means that you got those files on your computer :)= |
| 09:31.21 | alexzz | hahaha |
| 09:31.24 | Polis_ttt | astguiclient is vicidial, a call center solution |
| 09:31.26 | alexzz | it was a mistake |
| 09:31.36 | Polis_ttt | okey |
| 09:31.45 | alexzz | yeah but i need to get asterisk running before that |
| 09:32.09 | alexzz | when i start asterisk it says....asterisk ended with exit status 1 |
| 09:32.20 | alexzz | asterisk died |
| 09:32.31 | alexzz | and then it says its restarting |
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| 09:35.55 | alexzz | or should i compile asterisk .....for it to work properly? |
| 09:37.18 | RypPn | can anyone advise me how to checkout the latest zaptel svn please |
| 09:38.31 | RypPn | http://rafb.net/p/oJwQcG12.html <-- I keep getting this, but after first thinking it was a far-end problem, now I'm not so sure |
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| 09:48.23 | kombi | to load new firmware on a cisco 7941, just put the image in the tftp and boot? |
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| 09:51.01 | RypPn | problem solved, http proxy |
| 09:51.56 | Polis_ttt | alexzz: if you want to istall vicidial on asterisk, follow the scratchinstall |
| 09:52.40 | Polis_ttt | alexzz: you cant install asterisk, zaptel and libpri with yum, apt-get or so, it will not work, the simply isn't always the best :( |
| 09:52.41 | alexzz | no i want to configure asterisk first so that i can check for the dial tone |
| 09:56.14 | shadebob | Hi, I have some problem of random hangup with a TDM400 and Gsm box... BusyDetect=yes is a potential problem? I have no remote control on the box, so I have to "think" the solution... |
| 09:59.26 | alexzz | was that a netsplit? |
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| 10:28.35 | walhala | hi |
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| 10:57.04 | hermuli | can function MATH do operations with variables and if so, how? |
| 10:59.26 | _Raptor_ | hermuli: yes |
| 11:02.29 | _Raptor_ | exten => s,n,Set(num1=${MATH(${num}+1,int)}) |
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| 11:28.12 | alexzz | can somebody tell me which is the best distro to test asterisk with a tdm400p card |
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| 11:32.19 | kombi | I don't know about the best but the fastest for testing I consider debian |
| 11:35.46 | Grinder84 | Heya all! I got a quick question... Hoping someone knows a work-around. I got 5 accounts with one SIP-provider for incoming calls. Is there a way to route each different account to a specific extension. It is now always matching my last one (probarly based upon the ip of the provider) |
| 11:35.56 | alexzz | is centOS good.....which kernel supports asterisk better 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 11:39.49 | penguinFunk | 2.6 |
| 11:46.16 | alexzz | ok |
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| 11:50.32 | zdrulio | how can i stop asterisk ? |
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| 11:52.51 | cpm | how did you start it? |
| 11:55.45 | hermuli | thanks _Raptor_ |
| 11:56.12 | hermuli | how come this sets 0 as var_rectime? Set(var_rectime=${MATH(${var_endtime}-${var_starttime},int)}) |
| 11:56.35 | hermuli | both endtime and starttime have values |
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| 12:00.08 | berktr | hello |
| 12:00.16 | berktr | how can i learn how many g729 clients i have? |
| 12:00.23 | berktr | sorry |
| 12:00.38 | berktr | i mean how can i learn how many g729 codec licences do i have |
| 12:01.56 | hermuli | to answer my own question: had to use | instead of , |
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| 12:04.07 | limbje | hi |
| 12:04.26 | hermuli | hello |
| 12:04.36 | limbje | anyone can help me with 2 digium cards in 1 machine? |
| 12:05.01 | limbje | the sequence of initialization is sometimes swapped |
| 12:05.17 | limbje | so the ports are not correct. |
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| 12:05.25 | akira2014 | hello |
| 12:06.27 | akira2014 | i'm in troubles with asterisk on gentoo, everythink works like a charme, but music on hold is played with a very high volume |
| 12:06.37 | akira2014 | how can i control that ? |
| 12:06.40 | akira2014 | thk's |
| 12:09.37 | hermuli | i have a follow up... why would this: Set(var_rectime=${MATH(${var_endtime}-${var_starttime}|int)}) return 128 when my calculator says the result is 47??? |
| 12:12.29 | limbje | anyone has a solution for 2 digium cards in 1 machine, when the cards are not always inited in the same sequence u expected/configged |
| 12:13.24 | tzanger | limbje: yes, load the modules manually in the order you want |
| 12:14.04 | limbje | so i need to blacklist them? |
| 12:14.27 | limbje | but i can't load them with a script.. only when it's ready with startup... |
| 12:17.21 | tzanger | huh? |
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| 12:17.58 | limbje | they are autodetected by udev |
| 12:18.13 | tzanger | blacklist them |
| 12:18.15 | tzanger | as you said |
| 12:18.22 | limbje | ok |
| 12:18.40 | limbje | i got an url of someone with the same problem |
| 12:18.44 | limbje | can i post it? |
| 12:18.58 | limbje | i think he can make it more clear.. |
| 12:19.16 | limbje | http://forums.digium.com/viewtopic.php?t=15255&highlight=udev |
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| 12:20.03 | limbje | only we have a tdm405 and a tdm2400 |
| 12:22.14 | puzzled | hi |
| 12:23.01 | limbje | hi puzzled |
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| 12:25.12 | berktr | guys |
| 12:25.18 | berktr | how can i transfer a call in asterisk |
| 12:25.20 | berktr | blind transfer |
| 12:25.35 | berktr | i activated the key combinations in features.conf |
| 12:25.42 | berktr | #1 is the key for blind transfer |
| 12:25.50 | berktr | however i don't know where to key in these numbers |
| 12:26.38 | [TK]D-Fender | berktr: First, what kind of phone are you using? |
| 12:26.51 | berktr | pap2 and a normal phone |
| 12:27.18 | [TK]D-Fender | berktr: the PAP2 has its OWN transfer capabilities outside of * which is what you should be using. Go read its manual. |
| 12:28.14 | berktr | hm |
| 12:28.20 | berktr | and one more question |
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| 12:28.28 | [TK]D-Fender | berktr: Typically those ATA's use : [flash], (some star code like *XX), (different dial-tone), (Dial destination), (get disconnect tone) |
| 12:28.52 | berktr | do you have an idea wheather pap2t has 2 g729 codecs in it or not |
| 12:29.00 | berktr | for simultaneous g729 conversations |
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| 12:30.14 | akira2014 | bye |
| 12:30.40 | berktr | [TK]D-Fender, how can i learn how many g729 channels do my * has? |
| 12:31.00 | [TK]D-Fender | berktr: I'm not sure specifically, but the SPA-2000 which preceeded it could only do G.729 on one channel and the second was forced down to something else due to CPU power. |
| 12:31.23 | [TK]D-Fender | berktr: By default * does not support G.729. This is a paid codec purchased through www.digium.com |
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| 12:31.45 | [TK]D-Fender | berktr: it is a patented codec available at a cost ($10 / channel) |
| 12:32.23 | berktr | yes i know |
| 12:32.39 | berktr | and as i know, if you want to use it non-profit, you can download the binary codecs |
| 12:32.58 | berktr | i dlded and can use it for one channel |
| 12:33.04 | berktr | however i don't know how many channels i have |
| 12:34.11 | [TK]D-Fender | berktr: Only Digium's one is channel limited,. |
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| 12:35.07 | coppice | patents have no regard for whether you use something for profit |
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| 12:36.03 | limb_brb | back |
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| 12:37.02 | limbi | anyone has a solution about a simulair problem like this one? |
| 12:37.03 | limbi | http://forums.digium.com/viewtopic.php?t=15255&highlight=udev |
| 12:40.55 | kombi | I feel like i'm becoming the cisco warrior.. how on earth do you decompress a .com file? |
| 12:41.09 | kombi | s/.com/.cop/ sorry.. |
| 12:42.25 | [TK]D-Fender | kombi: Live free.... die well.... |
| 12:42.44 | kombi | [TK]D-Fender: can you believe it? Cisco gave me the sip firmware for free! |
| 12:42.49 | [TK]D-Fender | kombi: I can't believe its not butter! |
| 12:42.55 | walhala | kombi: so share it :) |
| 12:43.28 | kombi | walhala: do you need it? |
| 12:44.40 | walhala | kombi: what sort of cisco's firmware ? if it's for 7960 i'm really interrested |
| 12:44.53 | kombi | 7941/7961 |
| 12:45.13 | kombi | 7960 is free to download at cisco.com I think |
| 12:45.21 | walhala | erf :/ |
| 12:45.40 | kombi | would you know about .cop files though? |
| 12:46.03 | walhala | really ? I receive mine today and work quite fine but in sccp |
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| 12:49.21 | kombi | walhala: you put it in tftp and the phone finds it just like that? |
| 12:52.12 | walhala | kombi: yes |
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| 12:59.10 | berktr | i am going to go crazy |
| 12:59.34 | berktr | when i hold a call and try to call another number,i am getting unknown rtp codec 126 received error |
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| 13:09.22 | naitram | anyone used cegcc compiler? |
| 13:10.19 | naitram | oops wrong group. |
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| 13:15.25 | jeremy_g | that |oo| symbol stands for v.24 interface |
| 13:15.29 | jeremy_g | just found out today |
| 13:18.43 | berktr | which command will make asterisk to understand that the user has entered seven numbers to the phone and add the required prefix to the number |
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| 13:21.14 | Nugget | berktr: http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk%20config%20extensions.conf |
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| 13:21.46 | Cresl1n | in #asterisk-dev |
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| 13:25.01 | berktr | anybody with welltech devices experience? |
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| 13:32.15 | coppice | welltech phones or other stuff? |
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| 13:34.42 | Katty | morning lovables! |
| 13:35.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Katty: Mew. |
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| 13:36.29 | Cresl1n | Mooo??? |
| 13:37.58 | Katty | Cresl1n: mew. |
| 13:38.04 | HCISjason25 | I have some polycom501 phones running on trixbox2.2. This is not a problem but more of an annoyance everytime I transfer a call I see the following message at the end: Incoming call: Got SIP response 500 "Internal Server Error" back from 10.20.1.99 |
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| 13:42.58 | [TK]D-Fender | HCISjason25: Its only an annoyance and happens on all Polycom firwares and versions of *. |
| 13:43.00 | LeddyHM | Anyone use/recommend a pay as you go provider in/close to Houston |
| 13:44.09 | flujan | hi guys... :) |
| 13:44.21 | flujan | someone can point me how to get ani ii digits using a dialplan in asterisk? |
| 13:44.38 | flujan | does asterisk store the ani ii digits somewhere on the call information? |
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| 13:51.17 | HCISjason25 | [TK]D-Fender: Is there a way to fix this problem? |
| 13:51.28 | bkw_ | ${ANI2} |
| 13:51.47 | [TK]D-Fender | HCISjason25: Its an annoyance, not a "problem", and no, there isn't |
| 13:53.09 | flujan | bkw_, I doesn't find this variable in the asterisk variable list... |
| 13:53.15 | flujan | anyway, I will give it a try. |
| 13:56.15 | blitzrage | isn't all that stuff in the CALLERID() function now? |
| 13:56.30 | blitzrage | ${CALLERID(ani2)} ? |
| 13:56.44 | flujan | blitzrage, I am using version 1.2 but will migrate to version 1.4 |
| 13:57.04 | blitzrage | I still think there is a CALLERID() function in 1.2 |
| 13:57.12 | blitzrage | it's been so long since I've done 1.2, but I'm pretty sure it's still all there |
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| 14:00.15 | flujan | blitzrage, yeap.. there is a variable... :) |
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| 14:00.33 | flujan | blitzrage, help me here a bit... since you are using 1.4.4, do you think it is stable? |
| 14:00.49 | flujan | blitzrage, did you have any stability problems with it? |
| 14:00.53 | blitzrage | I am using 1.4 from SVN (post 1.4.4) -- works great for me |
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| 14:01.01 | blitzrage | I've been using it for 4 months now |
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| 14:01.26 | blitzrage | it doesn't just crash randomly -- its always because of something weird I'm doing |
| 14:01.33 | blitzrage | most people would never find those bugs |
| 14:01.44 | blitzrage | not in standard usage anyways |
| 14:01.58 | ManxPower | blitzrage has strong bug finding foo |
| 14:02.02 | blitzrage | its true |
| 14:02.13 | blitzrage | I've helped to make it more stable |
| 14:02.22 | ManxPower | I've not had my first cup of coffee, no so clever references |
| 14:02.24 | blitzrage | I went through a lot of pain for you, my children |
| 14:02.39 | blitzrage | now worship my bug finding foo! |
| 14:02.46 | blitzrage | ideally with money :D |
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| 14:03.00 | flujan | good to now |
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| 14:03.19 | flujan | we are going to 1.4 because the autofill feature in the queues. |
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| 14:04.55 | Acidcrawl | in my queues.conf I have "include queues_additional.conf", but for some reason it isn't being included |
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| 14:05.11 | ManxPower | 1.4 terrifies me. |
| 14:05.29 | ManxPower | ~freepbx |
| 14:05.31 | jbot | well, freepbx is unable to be supported here. It's a complex piece of dialplan and GUI, and can't be easily supported by people who aren't deeply involved. Try joining #freepbx and asking there |
| 14:05.43 | ManxPower | Acidcrawl: see what jbot aid |
| 14:05.53 | Acidcrawl | k |
| 14:06.17 | tzanger | 1.4's not bad, ManxPower |
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| 14:07.05 | flujan | ManxPower, why it terrifies you? |
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| 14:08.03 | akira2014 | hello |
| 14:08.06 | tzanger | ManxPower is addicted to stability :-) |
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| 14:12.13 | akira2014 | con some one tell how to change the volume of MOH ? |
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| 14:12.32 | frenzy | what does IAX use? TCP or UDP? |
| 14:12.46 | [TK]D-Fender | akira2014: If you're using MGP123 then thats in the mode (quietmp3, etc) |
| 14:12.58 | akira2014 | yes |
| 14:13.05 | akira2014 | mpg123 quietmp3 |
| 14:13.19 | akira2014 | do you need my setup? |
| 14:13.31 | akira2014 | configuration, sorry |
| 14:13.43 | [TK]D-Fender | akira2014: If you're using another external program like madplay then you'll have to read up on it. If you're using Native MoH, then you'll have to normalize the MP3's directly |
| 14:14.00 | [TK]D-Fender | akira2014: No. Go read the sample musiconhold.conf file for a sample. |
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| 14:14.30 | akira2014 | ok, thk's a lot |
| 14:14.47 | akira2014 | i will try to use another player |
| 14:14.51 | frenzy | ? |
| 14:14.52 | [TK]D-Fender | akira2014: its just "mode=quietmp3" |
| 14:15.18 | akira2014 | sorry? |
| 14:15.43 | [TK]D-Fender | akira2014: Go read the sample file, and check out the WIKI. |
| 14:15.57 | akira2014 | ok |
| 14:16.11 | [TK]D-Fender | frenzy: UDP |
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| 14:17.56 | akira2014 | one last question it's normal that happens with default files ? |
| 14:18.09 | akira2014 | are this files "bad" normalized? |
| 14:20.33 | [TK]D-Fender | akira2014: What is "default", and bad how? |
| 14:21.35 | akira2014 | i0'm actualy using the mp3 files tha comes qith asterisk |
| 14:21.44 | akira2014 | bad is too high |
| 14:22.05 | [TK]D-Fender | akira2014: To high compared to what? |
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| 14:22.39 | akira2014 | overdrived sound |
| 14:22.50 | akira2014 | compared with messages for example |
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| 14:25.35 | akira2014 | may be saturated is better to define it |
| 14:28.13 | [TK]D-Fender | akira2014: That says that your gain on those other channels is too low. Fix them. |
| 14:28.58 | akira2014 | ok, thk's a lot another time |
| 14:29.09 | akira2014 | and sorry for my bad english |
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| 14:35.45 | Acidcrawl | in the dialplan, how do I call a "Ring Group"? |
| 14:36.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Acidcrawl: "show application dial" |
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| 14:44.13 | phocus | is there anyone around?> |
| 14:44.37 | cpm | nope |
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| 14:47.45 | cpm | Katty, you a fonality reseller yet? |
| 14:47.45 | phocus | i need some serouis help, i have read hours of docs, i still cant figure it out... I have an off site soft phone, i can connect, and place calls but no audio.. i have gone as far as opeing every port from 5000 to 50000 tcp and udp and pointing it to the pbx server, and i still get no audio from phones outside my network....what ami missing |
| 14:47.52 | Strom_M | phocus: if the asterisk box is behind NAT, did you set "externip" in sip.conf? |
| 14:47.54 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipnat |
| 14:47.55 | jbot | [sipnat] for for more information about configurtion of Asterisk with SIP behind NAT, see http://voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions |
| 14:48.06 | [TK]D-Fender | phocus: Go read --^ |
| 14:48.11 | phocus | yes, |
| 14:48.21 | [TK]D-Fender | weebles may wobble but they don't fall down... |
| 14:48.43 | cpm | this is true |
| 14:48.49 | cpm | spent a lot of time testing that |
| 14:48.51 | cpm | :) |
| 14:49.13 | phocus | going to read now... |
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| 14:54.41 | LeddyHM | any "bad" things happen if you put nat=yes on an extension(phone) that is on the same subnet as * |
| 14:55.29 | johann8384 | Anyone know about a SIP option for NAT called "update"? |
| 14:56.26 | [TK]D-Fender | LeddyHM: Nope. It'll be fine. Makes mobile users easier to manage |
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| 15:01.18 | LeddyHM | sweet! |
| 15:01.36 | LeddyHM | damn ex provider! |
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| 15:03.47 | [TK]D-Fender | LeddyHM: Fear not... they're already damned. Grab some marshmallows for when they burn ;) |
| 15:04.14 | LeddyHM | no sheet |
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| 15:05.40 | berktr | ~cdr |
| 15:05.42 | jbot | hmm... cdr is Call Detail Record, a log of what happens to the call at each step through its traversal of the PBX, details like from, to, time, duration, number dialled etc, useful for billing also - it could also be Compact Disc Recordable, see cdrw |
| 15:05.48 | berktr | ~mysqlcdr |
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| 15:10.10 | berktr | where can i find the sample h323.conf file |
| 15:10.28 | berktr | my asterisk has h323 support on however it doesn't have the config file in it |
| 15:11.51 | cpm | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+config+h323.conf |
| 15:12.13 | [TK]D-Fender | berktr: its in configs/ in your source folder. |
| 15:14.28 | nahirean | anyone here familiar with strep throat? what is the likelyhood that i contracted the infection if i spent the night in close contact with a chick who had it? |
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| 15:15.37 | berktr | are you asking this question to asterisk channel? |
| 15:16.12 | nahirean | this is #asterisk? bugger, I could have sworn it was #WebMD.. Pardon my offense good sir. |
| 15:18.10 | dasuberdavid | whoa |
| 15:18.17 | Strom_C | boners. |
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| 15:18.32 | berktr | how can i change the music that is played during music on hold |
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| 15:19.34 | elg | if jumping is enabled, and the 1,n,n,n,n numbering is used, does 1,103 work (from the second step, which is numbered n) ? |
| 15:19.59 | Strom_C | elg: uh, don't use jumping. use labels and conditional branching like you're supposed to now. |
| 15:20.21 | Strom_C | berktr: look in musiconhold.conf |
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| 15:29.30 | SwK | any polycom resellers around? |
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| 15:32.04 | Nugget | Does anyone here have a cisco 7941/7961 working with chan_skinny or chan_sccp |
| 15:32.08 | Nugget | I'm completely flummoxed. |
| 15:32.11 | [TK]D-Fender | SwK: Whats the issue? |
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| 15:32.50 | Qwell | Nugget: send me one :p |
| 15:32.55 | Nugget | heh |
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| 15:33.00 | SwK | [TK]D-Fender, trying to login to the extranet... was wondering if its just busted... trying to get sip 2.1.1 |
| 15:33.04 | SwK | Moo |
| 15:33.08 | Nugget | ]:8) |
| 15:33.33 | SwK | d.net4life |
| 15:33.42 | SwK | heh |
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| 15:34.00 | elg | Strom_C: yes, I intend to remove the jumping real soon now, but the question remains |
| 15:34.14 | BSD_Tech | ok I signed up ont he bugtracker |
| 15:34.25 | BSD_Tech | and when I try to set the password I get this |
| 15:34.30 | BSD_Tech | APPLICATION ERROR #12 |
| 15:34.30 | BSD_Tech | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.30 | BSD_Tech | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.52 | BSD_Tech | I need to set its password |
| 15:34.56 | BSD_Tech | it wont letme |
| 15:35.37 | Strom_M | elg: i believe it will work, but in that case, i'd not chance it and instead just use old numbered priorities until you make the change |
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| 15:56.45 | casimir | hey there, anyone know of any caveats to running a setup like http://siproxd.sourceforge.net/siproxd_guide/siproxd_guide_c6s5.html ? |
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| 16:03.37 | [TK]D-Fender | casimir: Whats the point? * works just fine behind NAT |
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| 16:07.47 | casimir | [TK]D-Fender, if I just use port forwarding and nat=yes I only get RTP data from applications like moh and voicemail, not the phones |
| 16:08.16 | [TK]D-Fender | casimir: Thats because you left out every other necessary and well documented NAT option. |
| 16:08.58 | [TK]D-Fender | casimir: "localnet=", "canreinvite=no", "nat=yes", "externip=" (or "externhost=" + "externrefresh=") |
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| 16:10.00 | [TK]D-Fender | casimir: Phones can not be allowed to reinvite through the NAT, that's what'll kill calls. |
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| 16:11.20 | casimir | [TK]D-Fender, is there a way phones can be configured to reinvite locally but not across the nat device? |
| 16:12.22 | plasmid | on the cli i typed: show features. *1 shows as One touch Monitor. Is this the same as recording a call? if so, where do calls get recorded? |
| 16:12.33 | [TK]D-Fender | casimir: Typically you need to set your [general] and outside peers/users to "canreinvite=no", but I think phones might work if both say "yes" |
| 16:14.47 | jer | anybody have some recommendations for good quality ip phones? (multiple line, in the sub-$200 range) |
| 16:15.11 | _charly_ | jer: www.snom.com |
| 16:15.59 | [TK]D-Fender | plasmid: under your spool dir in asterisk.conf |
| 16:16.07 | [TK]D-Fender | jer: .... |
| 16:16.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ~phones |
| 16:16.11 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, phones is http://bani.anime.net/phones/. While personal preference will dictate which phone works best for you, general consensus on a rough order of quality and suggestibility is as follows: Polycom (any), Aastra 480i, Aastra 5i Series, Cisco 7940+, Linksys SPA-9XX, Snom, and finally everything else. Do not consider Grandstream ... |
| 16:16.33 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycom > All. |
| 16:17.54 | techie | Starting on 8/23 they'd have a new support policy. |
| 16:18.37 | jer | _charly_ & [TK]D-Fender, thanks i'll look |
| 16:19.45 | plasmid | [TK]D-Fender, thanks. A shame... the call that I was supposed to record didn't. the /var/spool/asterisk/monitor folder is empty eventhough I punched in: *1 when starting the tech support call. |
| 16:20.42 | [TK]D-Fender | plasmid: You need to enable support for it before placing your call as well and use the appropriate flag in your Dial. Should have looked into this earlier... |
| 16:21.36 | plasmid | [TK]D-Fender, how can i look into earlier if I didn't know about it? where do I enable support for it? |
| 16:22.05 | [TK]D-Fender | plasmid: Ro read up on call recording on the WIKI. * is well known for recording support. |
| 16:22.30 | plasmid | [TK]D-Fender, gotcha. :-) checking out the wiki |
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| 16:27.45 | angryuser | bye everybody ;) |
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| 16:50.30 | yidiyuehan | hi, anybody free now? got Trunk call question... |
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| 16:53.36 | LeBowlingAlley | Anybody have any particular scripts they recommend to use in Nagios to monitor their Asterisk box? |
| 16:55.13 | intralanman | LeBowlingAlley: the check_sip doesn't work for you? |
| 16:55.19 | intralanman | or snmp? |
| 16:55.31 | johann8384 | LeBowlingAlley: on the wiki there are some scripts that use nrpe and I have used those without issue |
| 16:56.01 | LeBowlingAlley | i haven't tried implementing any. I just saw there were a few different scripts and was just checking on previous experiences... |
| 16:58.23 | johann8384 | LeBowlingAlley: I built an app that uses user events in the dialplan and the "setgroup" functions to monitor how many calls a trunk has going on vs the number of calls that trunk is allowed and if the usage gets to 75% we send an email to the sales team. If the user gets to 75% several times a month they know to call and sell some more call paths |
| 16:58.51 | brettnem | that's pretty snazzy |
| 16:58.54 | johann8384 | LeBowlingAlley: It sends passive checks to Nagios with the channels used/total channels |
| 16:59.05 | LeBowlingAlley | wow...that's pretty cool |
| 16:59.11 | johann8384 | thx :-D |
| 16:59.35 | johann8384 | If I get time I'll strip the proprietary stuff out and share it with the community |
| 16:59.37 | brettnem | How about letting them enter in a code to automatically buy more temporary over the internet bandwidth? :P |
| 16:59.51 | johann8384 | That would be a natural extension |
| 17:00.38 | brettnem | "You have run out of channels. Press # to place this call for an additional fee" |
| 17:01.37 | brettnem | ok, seriously, can someone help me out with ast_read? |
| 17:02.09 | brettnem | I'm losing my mind here.. I can't figure out why it's behaving how it is. |
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| 17:02.48 | brettnem | http://www.pastebin.ca/503482 |
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| 17:10.53 | naitram | built asterisk on debian machine, get this when running WARNING[2841]: res_smdi.c:725 load_module: No SMDI interfaces are available to listen on, not starting SDMI listener. |
| 17:11.05 | naitram | trying to run sip only |
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| 17:12.23 | [TK]D-Fender | naitram: Feel free to disable that module from loading. |
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| 17:15.23 | nitrus^ | does anyone have a working example of followme.conf? |
| 17:15.31 | nitrus^ | i cant seem to find any good documentation on it |
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| 17:15.43 | naitram | [TK]D-Fender: Where do you disable that module? During the make or is there a config file to do that |
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| 17:15.55 | [TK]D-Fender | naitram: modules.conf |
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| 17:19.33 | teknoprep | a p3 866mhz should be able to run 10 phones with 2 trunks? |
| 17:19.35 | giesen | Is there any way to get asterisk to send voicemail attachments in email in mp3 format? |
| 17:19.37 | teknoprep | make that 4 tunks |
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| 17:20.00 | teknoprep | no transcoding... everything is ulaw |
| 17:20.47 | brettnem | [TK]D-Fender: Any idea what my ast_read problem is?? :) |
| 17:21.14 | Ryushin | I'm trying to set up the kiax soft phone to register with asterisk. I've added my information to the iax.conf file, but I keep getting a "register_verify: No registration for peer" when I try to connect. |
| 17:21.21 | [TK]D-Fender | teknoprep: you should really avoid the term "trunks", and typically yes, that should be plenty |
| 17:21.31 | [TK]D-Fender | brettnem: Don't code for *, sorry... |
| 17:21.51 | brettnem | ok. hah.. I thought I was in ast-dev.. whoops! |
| 17:22.09 | teknoprep | why avoid the term trunk? |
| 17:22.36 | teknoprep | isn't a trunk a connection to an extension or did external to the PBX itself? |
| 17:22.40 | [TK]D-Fender | giesen: You'd have to make your own e-mailing script and call it on VM completion (there is a place to define your external program in voicemail.conf". Nothing easy |
| 17:22.40 | phocus | what is a good list of software sip phones that work with asterisk |
| 17:22.47 | teknoprep | idefisk |
| 17:22.55 | teknoprep | hands down the best Asterisk Soft Phone |
| 17:22.59 | teknoprep | why use sip phone? |
| 17:23.12 | [TK]D-Fender | teknoprep: No, its more of a physical connection seperate from the data that it carries. |
| 17:23.26 | [TK]D-Fender | teknoprep: Interoperability. |
| 17:23.42 | teknoprep | why use a sip soft phone tho.. when you use asterisk? |
| 17:23.43 | [TK]D-Fender | teknoprep: If all you care about is connecting to your own *, then sure IAX is just fine. |
| 17:23.53 | teknoprep | yeah thats what i am saying |
| 17:23.58 | [TK]D-Fender | teknoprep: Its for those connecting to other services & proxies |
| 17:24.01 | teknoprep | but Idefisk now supports sip |
| 17:26.16 | Ryushin | My entry in iax.conf file looks like this: http://www.pastebin.ca/505579 |
| 17:26.22 | Ryushin | Does that look correct? |
| 17:26.42 | LeddyHM | no |
| 17:27.39 | Ryushin | LeedyHM: What part looks wrong? |
| 17:28.00 | LeddyHM | all of it |
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| 17:28.06 | LeddyHM | I'm here for comic relief |
| 17:28.12 | LeddyHM | funny eh? |
| 17:28.19 | Ryushin | Yea, a riot. :) |
| 17:28.37 | LeddyHM | cool, I like jokes when I'm not the only one laughing |
| 17:30.30 | Ryushin | Anyone else have any input on what my cause asterisk to respond with "No registration for peer" error? |
| 17:31.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Ryushin: remove the user/username, and set your [whatever] to the actual username you want to register with |
| 17:32.04 | Ryushin | [TK]D-Fender: Thank you. |
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| 17:33.19 | IronMan2000 | Can anyone tell me how I can list the ATA Adpaters that are associated with my asterisk? I need a way to tell who's connected |
| 17:33.26 | Ryushin | [TK]D-Fender: Excellent. It worked. Thanks again. |
| 17:33.35 | [TK]D-Fender | IronMan2000: "sip show peers" |
| 17:33.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Ryushin: np |
| 17:33.51 | IronMan2000 | thanks you D-Fender |
| 17:34.25 | LeddyHM | whoa |
| 17:34.31 | LeddyHM | I thought that was too obvious |
| 17:34.35 | LeddyHM | I shoulda said that |
| 17:35.20 | LeddyHM | (the ryushin problem/fix) |
| 17:36.02 | IronMan2000 | D-Fender, What Directory would the "sip show peers" be ran from in linux |
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| 17:36.40 | LeddyHM | asterisk -rx "sip show peers" |
| 17:36.59 | LeddyHM | or asterisk -r if you want to view the cli |
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| 17:37.12 | LeddyHM | I AM THE CLI COMMANDER! |
| 17:37.14 | IronMan2000 | thanks, I got it.. |
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| 17:38.15 | [TK]D-Fender | LeddyHM: Yup.. you're the new "Commander Guy" alright.... |
| 17:38.40 | LeddyHM | exsqueeze me? |
| 17:38.41 | [TK]D-Fender | me thinks more like a few leaves short of a Bush.... |
| 17:38.48 | [TK]D-Fender | baking powder? |
| 17:39.15 | [TK]D-Fender | LeddyHM: pwned :D |
| 17:39.17 | LeddyHM | confucius say "man who finds empty bush, should PLAY BALL" |
| 17:39.24 | LeddyHM | confucius was my daddy |
| 17:39.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Confused indeed ;) |
| 17:41.21 | phocus | confucious says "baseball is not correct, man with four balls cannot walk" |
| 17:41.47 | phocus | confucious says "Man who fart in church sit on pew" |
| 17:44.05 | teknoprep | is there a way to setup a 2nd TFTP server in linux DHCP ? |
| 17:44.10 | teknoprep | with cisco 7940 phones |
| 17:44.11 | [TK]D-Fender | confucious says "man overconfident with ladies cocky" |
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| 17:45.05 | [TK]D-Fender | teknoprep: Clarify what you mean by both parts of taht question... |
| 17:45.29 | btsteve | Hello has anyone set up an asterisk box with odbc to a mysql database for realtime provisioning for voicemail clients |
| 17:47.25 | btsteve | Hello has anyone set up an asterisk box with odbc to a mysql database for realtime provisioning for voicemail clients |
| 17:49.10 | phocus | I still cant get sip clients connected out side of my nat |
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| 17:49.32 | phocus | i am going nuts |
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| 17:52.11 | btsteve | I am going nuts trying to get odbc working for my mysql back end |
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| 17:52.49 | Hmmhesays | why? |
| 17:52.59 | drrt | hello |
| 17:53.16 | [TK]D-Fender | phocus: pastebin your sip.conf minus passwords. [general] and your phones [] section |
| 17:53.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Hmmhesays: Maochism ;) |
| 17:53.47 | phocus | in my sip_nat.conf this is all i have, is it ight |
| 17:53.47 | [TK]D-Fender | Hmmhesays: New projection setup is on its way :) |
| 17:53.47 | phocus | nat=yes |
| 17:53.47 | phocus | externhost=<phocus.no-ip.com> |
| 17:53.47 | phocus | localnet = 192.168.234.0/255.255.255.0 |
| 17:53.47 | phocus | externrefresh=5 |
| 17:53.52 | phocus | ok, one sec |
| 17:53.55 | [TK]D-Fender | phocus: PASTBIN! |
| 17:53.56 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 17:54.14 | jbot | i heard pb is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 17:54.42 | drrt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.48 | phocus | [TK]D-Fender i have everything working except no audio for clients outside my network, do you still want to see the sip.conf? |
| 17:54.54 | [TK]D-Fender | phocus: remove the <> from your host there |
| 17:55.01 | phocus | k |
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| 17:55.43 | phocus | [TK]D-Fender After editing that threw trixbox, do i need to restart anything? |
| 17:55.52 | [TK]D-Fender | phocus: ~trixbox |
| 17:55.56 | [TK]D-Fender | ~trixbox |
| 17:56.11 | jbot | Trixbox is a full linux distro that includes , FreePBX, and other 3rd party add-ons. It is these things on top of which make it seriously painful to support and hence you will find little help here for it. Try asking in #trixbox , or their forums & WIKI at http://www.trixbox.org |
| 17:56.15 | phocus | ok |
| 17:56.45 | phocus | [TK]D-Fender no go, still no audio, do you still want to see the sip config? |
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| 17:58.15 | phocus | OMG it got it!!!! |
| 17:58.25 | drrt | phocus, rtp.conf ? |
| 17:58.25 | [TK]D-Fender | phocus: You also need nat=yes for your phone if its behind a NAT of its own as wellas well |
| 17:58.32 | [TK]D-Fender | drrt: No. |
| 17:58.49 | phocus | [TK]D-Fender it did it, the supid < around the house name!!! thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 |
| 17:59.52 | [TK]D-Fender | phocus: Don't creative with field contents... |
| 17:59.59 | drrt | you should read console output in future coz the system notes you on such errors |
| 18:00.11 | phocus | [TK]D-Fender somebody had that in a how to doc... |
| 18:00.38 | mihinomenest | is there an IRC channel for SER? |
| 18:03.16 | Hmmhesays | yes |
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| 18:25.13 | Mercestes | ping strom |
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| 18:34.11 | Strom_M | pong Mercestes |
| 18:34.22 | Mercestes | Can I rob your knowledge of zap channels for a bit? |
| 18:34.34 | Strom_M | possibly |
| 18:34.41 | Strom_M | first i'll call the police |
| 18:34.50 | Strom_M | ok, now you have three minutes. go. |
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| 18:36.19 | Mercestes | I have two telcos, Logix and TWTC, on a Dell PE 2850 with one of those "all in one wonder" controllre cards that controls my RAID, SCSI, 2 PCIx and a PCIe. |
| 18:36.46 | Mercestes | Both Telcos are Net Masters, I am CPE on both. On Digium I get HDLC Aborts out my arse and on Sangoma I get "Span X is up." |
| 18:37.54 | Mercestes | I have a hell of a time getting timing up when I restart them, I get no audio on the Sangoma for awhile and eventually through restarting it and doin ga few monitors get it going without changing the config files, just, can't get good PRI timing on it. |
| 18:38.31 | Strom_M | i assume these are both dual span T1 cards? |
| 18:38.37 | Mercestes | not long ago my RAID hosed. I'm thinking, A: This all in one wonder card can't handle 3 PRI links (I'm Net Master to a Brooktrout fax card with 4 trunks) and B: having multiple clock masters on the same card is screwing me. |
| 18:38.42 | Mercestes | quad span |
| 18:38.57 | Strom_M | show me your zaptel.conf |
| 18:39.18 | Mercestes | A104d sangoma and the TE405P digium card. |
| 18:39.28 | Mercestes | or 410P |
| 18:39.33 | Mercestes | I think it's 410 |
| 18:39.40 | Strom_M | doesnt matter |
| 18:39.45 | Strom_M | show me your zaptel.conf |
| 18:40.41 | Mercestes | http://pastebin.ca/505742 |
| 18:41.09 | Strom_M | so the telco circuits are on spans 1 and 3/ |
| 18:41.10 | Strom_M | > |
| 18:41.10 | Strom_M | ? |
| 18:42.11 | Mercestes | Yes |
| 18:42.17 | Mercestes | Brooktrout is on 2 |
| 18:42.30 | Strom_M | what happens if you unplug everything and hard-loop the span? |
| 18:42.34 | Mercestes | right now I have HDLC Aborts on Span 3 but they don't appear to be hurting anything. |
| 18:42.59 | Mercestes | Well, I get ok on /dev/zap/1 but everything else gives me "Device is busy" and I can't loop up anything else. On the digium card. |
| 18:43.07 | Mercestes | as I recall, Sangoma did not give me better results on the loopback test |
| 18:43.27 | Mercestes | and if I unplug the PRI and plug it back in on the Sangoma it hoses the timing. |
| 18:43.45 | Strom_M | is this a soft loopback, or are you plugging a real loopback connector into the card? |
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| 18:45.48 | Mercestes | Plugging in a real loopback connector. 4 of them actually |
| 18:46.19 | Strom_M | well then I'd blame something else in your system |
| 18:46.59 | Mercestes | like? |
| 18:47.15 | Strom_M | is anything sharing an IRQ with the card |
| 18:47.16 | Strom_M | ? |
| 18:48.56 | Strom_M | are you running a framebuffer or X? |
| 18:48.57 | Mercestes | Not on the Digium card but on the sangoma card it insists on sitting with uhci)hcd:usb 1 or 2, I can't remember. |
| 18:48.57 | Mercestes | No x and no framebuffer |
| 18:48.57 | tzanger | Mercestes: the card doesn't decide that |
| 18:48.57 | tzanger | your motherboard and PCI chipset decide that |
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| 18:48.58 | tzanger | turn *ON* ACPI and that should go away if you've got a decent motherboard |
| 18:49.08 | tzanger | I have a server-class mobo here with no less than SEVEN PCI busses and not a signle IRQ shared anywhere |
| 18:49.24 | tzanger | everything has it's own interrupt routed through the APIC |
| 18:49.35 | Mercestes | This is one of those Dell PE 2850 things with one of those "all in one" wonder Riser card bs things. |
| 18:49.38 | tzanger | er turn *ON* APIC not ACPI (they're usually together anyway) :-) |
| 18:50.01 | Mercestes | I show IO-APIC_level in proc/interrupts. does that mean it's on? |
| 18:50.08 | tzanger | yep |
| 18:50.19 | tzanger | but if you have a riser it may be routing all interrupts for you |
| 18:50.21 | Mercestes | oh, ok, it's on. guess that means my mobo isn't halfway descent. |
| 18:50.21 | tzanger | on one shared pin |
| 18:50.26 | tzanger | lucky OSB :-) |
| 18:50.28 | tzanger | er SOB |
| 18:50.43 | Mercestes | I dunno. I know I also lost my RAID (which is controlled by this same Riser card.) |
| 18:50.56 | Mercestes | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.15 | Strom_M | Do you think that we can use this as a reason to wipe that smug "NO COMPATIBILITY ISSUES! NONE! NEVER!" off the sangoma page on the wiki? |
| 18:53.18 | tzanger | shouldn't be a chore... itme from the line |
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| 18:53.55 | tzanger | Mercestes: are you getting PRIs from numerous providers? |
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| 18:54.10 | ManxPower | tzanger: only after he calls them and they fail to get it working |
| 18:54.18 | tzanger | ManxPower: ha |
| 18:54.53 | Mercestes | tzanger: Yea, two telcos |
| 18:55.24 | tzanger | Mercestes: hopefully they're both clocking from a common upstream |
| 18:55.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Strom_M: Hold off on that until you've proven what the real culprit is, then gather the torches & pitchforks :) |
| 18:55.32 | Mercestes | probably not |
| 18:55.41 | Mercestes | Logix and TWTC. |
| 18:55.48 | tzanger | you'll have no end of trouble if you try that on a digium card. Sangoma *may* work better since each span's framer can clock independently, but it's still a chore |
| 18:56.16 | Mercestes | tzanger, only if you use a special firmware (which segfaults my kernel) |
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| 18:56.27 | Mercestes | so should I make one Telco switch me to Net master? |
| 18:56.34 | Mercestes | and just have on clock source? |
| 18:56.48 | tzanger | hahahahahahahaha |
| 18:56.50 | tzanger | good luck with that |
| 18:57.02 | Mercestes | heh, nice |
| 18:57.40 | tzanger | you should (this is how it's SUPPOSED to work) select one as the master, the other will already be in sync, and you're golden |
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| 19:00.36 | Mercestes | So I shoudl say, set logix to 0,0 net and TWTC as 0,1 cpe ?? |
| 19:04.14 | Mercestes | tzanger? |
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| 19:05.45 | tzanger | erm |
| 19:05.58 | tzanger | span 1 as primary clock source, cpe |
| 19:06.04 | tzanger | span 2 as secondary clock source, cpe |
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| 19:08.48 | acctor | Hello peeps, does someone know a business grade IAX/SIP provider who could supply a contiguous block of DIDs? |
| 19:09.05 | Strom_M | level3 |
| 19:09.06 | telnetcomm | I'm having some problems compiling res_config_mysql from the 1.4.1 addons package |
| 19:09.16 | telnetcomm | anyone around that can help? |
| 19:10.36 | acctor | Strom_M: Do you have experience with them as a provider? |
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| 19:11.04 | Strom_M | not personally, but ive never heard anything other than that they're rock-solid |
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| 19:11.32 | acctor | ok thanks |
| 19:12.04 | y7n | Can anyone recommend a GSM gateway that handles SMS messages? |
| 19:13.16 | Katty | scooby do. |
| 19:13.41 | tzanger | scooby doo can handle SMS messages? |
| 19:13.45 | tzanger | wouldn't he garble them? |
| 19:13.47 | Mercestes | tzanger: I'm sorry, can you give me a specific example? |
| 19:13.53 | Mercestes | I know, it's hand holding. :( |
| 19:14.14 | tzanger | ranger! Rard rive race on rev hda ris low! |
| 19:14.22 | Mercestes | and s/span 2/ span 3/ ? Span 2 I am Master Net. |
| 19:14.49 | tzanger | Mercestes: in /etc/zapata.conf |
| 19:14.56 | tzanger | span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs |
| 19:15.05 | tzanger | span=2,2,0,esf,b8zs |
| 19:15.16 | tzanger | er /etc/zaptel.conf rather |
| 19:15.23 | tzanger | /etc/zapata.conf is as follows |
| 19:15.28 | telnetcomm | anyone here able to help with a compilation problem with the addons-1.4.1? |
| 19:15.35 | Mercestes | You mean like in http://pastebin.ca/505742??? |
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| 19:15.45 | Strom_M | [boners] |
| 19:15.49 | Strom_M | dongs=yes |
| 19:15.56 | Strom_M | channel => 4 |
| 19:16.09 | tzanger | I never get decent performance with dongs=yes |
| 19:16.17 | tzanger | the system just gets all stiff |
| 19:16.30 | Strom_M | what about jizz=very |
| 19:16.39 | tzanger | Strom_M: that's just messy |
| 19:16.43 | Strom_M | oh |
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| 19:17.05 | tzanger | Mercestes: assuming that span1 = telco1 and span3 = telco2, then yes |
| 19:17.29 | tzanger | span2 isn't going to ever get used as a clock source, which may be what you want, I don't know |
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| 19:25.19 | Mercestes | tzanger: Yea, I already have that. |
| 19:25.29 | Mercestes | span 2 is to a brooktrout T1 faxboard on another server |
| 19:25.39 | tzanger | ok |
| 19:25.43 | *** join/#asterisk CVirus (n=GoD@196.219.183.53) |
| 19:25.52 | Mercestes | So, yes, given that setup I'm still hosed. :( |
| 19:25.58 | tzanger | Mercestes: then you should have it working well with one span or the other, but not both right? |
| 19:26.07 | Mercestes | so I'm back to, A: Dell sucks, B: Riser sucks, C: I need to be Net to atleast one Telco |
| 19:26.14 | Mercestes | tzanger: Precisely so |
| 19:26.48 | Strom_M | or D: have each telco on a different box? |
| 19:27.21 | Mercestes | Strom_M: I'm considering that possibility as well. |
| 19:27.43 | Mercestes | Dropping one telco is in the near future but...this crap has been holding me up. I think playing it "safe" has caused me more problems then it's saved me. |
| 19:27.55 | CVirus | After I registered a peer in my sip.conf and adding it's extension to extensions.conf ... Suppose this peer is an IP phone ... How can the IP phone supply the server with it's username and password ? |
| 19:28.09 | Strom_M | CVirus: it has to register |
| 19:28.30 | Strom_M | Mercestes: you could argue that having each telco on a separate box allows for more reliability in case one box goes tits-up |
| 19:28.35 | CVirus | Strom_M: I can configure the IP phone's registration through it's configuration ? |
| 19:28.55 | *** join/#asterisk xuser (i=1000@unaffiliated/xuser) |
| 19:29.01 | Strom_M | yes, you can configurate the configuration using the configurator. |
| 19:29.07 | CVirus | LOL |
| 19:29.29 | CVirus | Strom_M: any idea how the budgetone 101 is configured ? |
| 19:29.34 | Strom_M | with pain |
| 19:29.36 | Strom_M | lots of pain |
| 19:29.39 | CVirus | really ? |
| 19:29.41 | Strom_M | yes |
| 19:29.45 | Mercestes | and suffering |
| 19:29.49 | CVirus | in what way ? |
| 19:29.58 | Mercestes | the worst kind of way. |
| 19:30.08 | Mercestes | Strom_M: Yea, I'm thinking that may be the solution. |
| 19:30.20 | Strom_M | though IIRC you can use the phone's web interface |
| 19:30.53 | CVirus | seriously ... through a web interface or through it's LCD screen ? |
| 19:30.53 | CVirus | I see |
| 19:30.56 | CVirus | Strom_M: how is that painful then ? |
| 19:31.12 | Mercestes | CVirus, because it doesn't work |
| 19:31.23 | CVirus | hmm |
| 19:31.29 | CVirus | Mercestes: what grand stream cheap phone would you recommend then ? |
| 19:31.44 | Strom_M | i wouldnt recommend any grandstream product at all |
| 19:32.01 | Mercestes | CVirus, I think the term "cheap phone" pretty much says it all |
| 19:33.00 | CVirus | Guys ... the grandstream phones are pretty expensive in here ... imagine the other decent phones |
| 19:33.30 | Strom_M | where's "in here"? |
| 19:33.36 | CVirus | Egypt |
| 19:34.33 | Strom_M | *shrug* |
| 19:34.37 | *** join/#asterisk r0d3nt (i=nobody@foster.stonedcoder.org) |
| 19:34.39 | r0d3nt | http://slashdot.org/articles/07/05/22/2136233.shtml |
| 19:34.40 | r0d3nt | wow. |
| 19:34.44 | r0d3nt | that is a load of crap. |
| 19:34.55 | Sweeper | http://slashdot.org/articles/07/05/22/2136233.shtml |
| 19:34.56 | CVirus | and I can't ship them |
| 19:34.58 | Sweeper | oops |
| 19:34.58 | r0d3nt | i'm not a big fan of fonality.. but i hate nortel even more..... |
| 19:35.02 | r0d3nt | thank you sweeper. |
| 19:35.05 | CVirus | some VOIP related hardware is not allowed to enter here |
| 19:35.12 | r0d3nt | i just posted that in #2600 |
| 19:35.28 | Strom_M | yay, spam and trolling in #asterisk |
| 19:35.49 | r0d3nt | speak for yourself. |
| 19:35.54 | Strom_M | boners. |
| 19:35.58 | CVirus | Strom_M: I'm not trolling ! |
| 19:36.11 | CVirus | Strom_M: I really need suggestions and recommendations as I never laid hands on actual hardware ... I've been reading theoritically here all the time |
| 19:36.13 | Strom_M | i wasn't addressing you, CVirus |
| 19:36.38 | Sweeper | CVirus: gs's can be made to work, but if there's any possible way you can get something else, do it |
| 19:36.59 | Sweeper | snom is decent middle-of-the road stuff, polycom is top of the line.... |
| 19:37.16 | [TK]D-Fender | CVirus: ... |
| 19:37.18 | [TK]D-Fender | ~phones |
| 19:37.30 | jbot | i heard phones is http://bani.anime.net/phones/. While personal preference will dictate which phone works best for you, general consensus on a rough order of quality and suggestibility is as follows: Polycom (any), Aastra 480i, Aastra 5i Series, Cisco 7940+, Linksys SPA-9XX, Snom, and finally everything else. Do not consider Grandstream phones. Ever. |
| 19:37.31 | Hmmhesays | my snome is ok |
| 19:38.09 | ManxPower | that jbot entry sure has gotten wussy |
| 19:38.43 | [TK]D-Fender | ManxPower: I find it well balanced personally. |
| 19:41.47 | *** join/#asterisk Felippe (n=ric@189.171.200.201) |
| 19:42.21 | Felippe | Hola.! |
| 19:42.26 | jkiff | I don't know what you guys are talking about. We have a few gxp-2000s and they kick the crap out of the rest of our phones. |
| 19:42.43 | jkiff | The polycom we have takes a year and a day to reboot. |
| 19:42.53 | Felippe | How about the speakerphone on the gpx-2000's ? |
| 19:43.09 | ManxPower | jkiff: You have serious problems if you have to reboot the polycoms |
| 19:43.13 | *** join/#asterisk CVirus (n=GoD@196.219.183.53) |
| 19:43.26 | ManxPower | Felippe: about on par with a $5 speakerphone |
| 19:44.06 | CVirus | [Wed May 23 2007] [22:38:13] <CVirus> How about the grand stream ata's ? |
| 19:44.07 | jkiff | ManxPower: Well, nine times out of ten, the power cord gets kicked out the socket... |
| 19:44.19 | [TK]D-Fender | jkiff: I have yet to see a quality way that Grandstream beats Polycom for anything (discounting price). As for for the reboot time, its 2 minutes and as they don't crash you typically only need to do it when you actually need to change something. |
| 19:44.47 | Felippe | I have a few gpx-2000's running on PoE.... jkiff never had any problems there |
| 19:45.06 | [TK]D-Fender | CVirus: We know you're cheap. This is well established through several previous chats. GS stuff is : |
| 19:45.07 | [TK]D-Fender | ~gs |
| 19:45.26 | jbot | GrandSuck phones & gateways are cheap junk which should be avoided with extreme prejudice. |
| 19:45.42 | [TK]D-Fender | CVirus: That accounts for pretty much their entire line. |
| 19:45.47 | *** join/#asterisk crochat (n=crochat@84-74-150-141.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:45.51 | crochat | Hello |
| 19:45.59 | [TK]D-Fender | CVirus: Look higher up the food chain... |
| 19:46.04 | ManxPower | I suspect the people that are happy with GS products simply don't have very high expectations |
| 19:46.12 | Felippe | Anyone know of any compatibility issues with intel D945GTP + TDM2400, ? |
| 19:47.37 | Mercestes | ManxPower, easy to please |
| 19:48.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Felippe: Check the compatibility list on digium.com |
| 19:48.15 | Mercestes | I bet he got a phone call and it kicked him off of his dial up |
| 19:48.21 | *** join/#asterisk gerphimum (n=trekkie@cpe-70-125-148-108.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 19:48.32 | Strom_M | and that was the end of the intertubes. |
| 19:48.39 | stoffell | can anyone tell me what a TBD call is ? (I get it with iaxy devices) |
| 19:48.47 | bkw_ | to be determined |
| 19:48.51 | Felippe | TK, i've checked, it states that only the 915 has real issues.. but im getting a lot of noise problems. |
| 19:49.56 | Qwell | stoffell: that's normal.. |
| 19:50.10 | *** join/#asterisk CVirus (n=GoD@196.219.179.204) |
| 19:50.42 | CVirus | I apologize .. I'm on a crappy connection .. I was inquiring about the grand stream ata's ... are they recommended or not too ? |
| 19:50.43 | ManxPower | stoffell: TBD is a way to let ASTERISK handle the dialplan for a device, rather than the device having its own dialplan. |
| 19:50.46 | CVirus | ~ata |
| 19:51.01 | jbot | it has been said that ata is Analogue Terminal Adapter which provides an FXS and/or FXO and ethernet, see http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/ATA |
| 19:51.02 | Strom_M | CVirus: no |
| 19:51.13 | stoffell | qwell, oh; and can I force asterisk into going to a specified action then? (it's an analog doorphone that does´t dial after this) |
| 19:51.37 | JT | CVirus: if it has "grandstream" in the name of the product, don't buy it |
| 19:51.43 | Qwell | umm...I don't know |
| 19:52.08 | stoffell | okay; thanks for the info; hope i can find some more out now :-) |
| 19:53.48 | ManxPower | stoffell: what specified action? |
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| 19:54.16 | CVirus | Thanks alot guys |
| 19:54.50 | stoffell | ManxPower, well, something like dialing an internal (sip) extension or ringgroup (and allowing them to pick up and talk to the doorphone on the analog line connected to the iax) |
| 19:55.19 | ManxPower | stoffell: I don't know if the iaxy supports immediate=yes |
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| 19:55.53 | stoffell | hmm, okay; great tip ... i will try it out tomorrow first thing.. |
| 19:56.16 | Mercestes | ~mercestes |
| 19:56.29 | jbot | it has been said that mercestes is a total nub |
| 19:56.37 | Mercestes | damnit! |
| 19:56.41 | Mercestes | when is that thing going to get updated? |
| 19:56.53 | Strom_M | ~strom |
| 19:57.04 | jbot | strom is, like, Southern California's only residential ISDN BRI customer |
| 20:00.01 | Hmmhesays | ~hmmhesays |
| 20:00.33 | jbot | well, hmmhesays is not really here... |
| 20:00.35 | Hmmhesays | nothing, |
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| 20:00.53 | Mercestes | no, jbot, mercestes is the hawtness |
| 20:02.02 | Strom_M | jbot, no, mercestes fails at issuing commands to jbot |
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| 20:07.01 | crochat | If a same voicemail number is present in two different contexts, is the mailbox the same ? |
| 20:07.20 | aptura | Strom have you worked with Wimax yet? |
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| 20:17.25 | [TK]D-Fender | crochat: No clearly it is a different mailbox. |
| 20:17.34 | ManxPower | crochat:yes and no. it depends on if you are referring to extenstions.conf context or voicemail.conf contexts |
| 20:18.54 | *** join/#asterisk drfreeze (n=Jim@www.freeze.org) |
| 20:18.57 | drfreeze | Hello |
| 20:19.11 | drfreeze | I have a machine that won't start asterisk |
| 20:19.24 | *** join/#asterisk anthm (n=anthm@CPE-72-131-113-50.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 20:19.24 | *** mode/#asterisk [+o anthm] by ChanServ |
| 20:19.27 | drfreeze | The problem seems to be that it is trying to load chan_zap.so |
| 20:20.02 | drfreeze | I have removed all references to zaptel and zapata, but it still is loading chan_zap.so (or trying to) |
| 20:20.09 | drfreeze | Anyone know how to stop this? |
| 20:20.35 | drfreeze | It attempts to load it right after [chan_agent.so] => (Agent Proxy Channel) |
| 20:20.37 | SwK | drfreeze: /etc/asterisk/modules.conf |
| 20:20.37 | [TK]D-Fender | drfreeze: "noload => chan_zap.so" in modules.conf |
| 20:20.47 | drfreeze | SwK: no reference to zap in that file |
| 20:20.56 | drfreeze | [TK]D-Fender: thx, wil ltry that |
| 20:21.45 | crochat | drfreeze: No reference... but you need to tell Asterisk to NOT load chan_zap ! |
| 20:22.23 | crochat | drfreeze: By default, Asterisk will try to load chan_zap... so you need to put a "noload => chan_zap.so" in modules.conf |
| 20:23.36 | *** join/#asterisk _PauloS_ (n=_PauloS_@200-207-62-43.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 20:23.56 | _PauloS_ | Hi all. |
| 20:24.15 | crochat | I'm trying to call my mailbox under different conditions |
| 20:24.31 | crochat | i.e. My number is 24 |
| 20:24.52 | crochat | If I call 24, I wanna join my mailbox without any password |
| 20:24.58 | [TK]D-Fender | crochat: You must specify the context in your dialplan when you call VoiceMail / voicemailmain |
| 20:25.17 | [TK]D-Fender | crochat: go read the instructions again. |
| 20:25.17 | crochat | If I call 3000 (voicemail boxes), I wanna join my mailbox without any password too |
| 20:25.29 | [TK]D-Fender | crochat: "show application voicemailmain" |
| 20:25.36 | crochat | If I call 3001, I wanna ask for a mailbox AND a password |
| 20:25.41 | crochat | Is that possible ? |
| 20:25.55 | [TK]D-Fender | crochat: yes. |
| 20:26.52 | _PauloS_ | I want the following: if my exten isn't answered in N seconds, ring another exten, if not answered ring another, and so on. |
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| 20:28.09 | [TK]D-Fender | _PauloS_: EJust dial them consecutively. |
| 20:28.34 | _PauloS_ | I'm doing that with the "g" option from Dial application, but sometimes calls are turning into zombies and start ringing the other extens with nobody on the other leg of the call. |
| 20:28.35 | Langenscheidts | Hello :-) I'd like some confirmation that * can live behind a NAT router and handle remote phones that are also behind a NAT router |
| 20:28.47 | [TK]D-Fender | _PauloS_: you do NOT use "g" for this. |
| 20:28.51 | Langenscheidts | Here's the layout http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2946/twonatsmk0.jpg |
| 20:28.59 | [TK]D-Fender | _PauloS_: remove it |
| 20:29.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Langenscheidts: canreinvite = NO <------------- |
| 20:29.45 | _PauloS_ | If I do not use "g", the call will go to the "t" exten, doesnt it? |
| 20:30.20 | [TK]D-Fender | _PauloS_: No, it will go to the next priority if not answered. |
| 20:30.20 | [TK]D-Fender | _PauloS_: "t" is for IVR's, nothing else. |
| 20:30.30 | pigpen | [TK]D-Fender, ever work with the custom device state (ie: for buddy watch on polycom)? |
| 20:30.37 | Langenscheidts | [TK]D-Fender : canreinvite = NO -> this means that all RTP packets will go throught Asterisk, no matter where the phones are located? |
| 20:30.47 | [TK]D-Fender | pigpen: Not yet, will shortly. |
| 20:31.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Langenscheidts: Correct. This is necessary for NAT'd scenarios. |
| 20:31.10 | _PauloS_ | [TK]D-Fender, thanks. |
| 20:31.14 | pigpen | yeah...me too. I need it to monitor if somone enabled the server based forward or not. DB entry 1 or 0 |
| 20:31.36 | *** part/#asterisk _PauloS_ (n=_PauloS_@200-207-62-43.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 20:31.45 | Langenscheidts | [TK]D-Fender : OK, I'll give it a shot tomorrow. If it still doesn't work, I'll move * in front of the router |
| 20:32.05 | Langenscheidts | [TK]D-Fender : Thanks! |
| 20:32.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Langenscheidts: No need... |
| 20:32.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Langenscheidts: I do that all the time. |
| 20:32.07 | Langenscheidts | OK |
| 20:32.15 | [TK]D-Fender | gtg, back in a bit |
| 20:32.48 | Felippe | Anyone know any solution for noise problems out FXO trough TDM2400 Card? |
| 20:33.22 | Langenscheidts | BTW, does someone know why must canreinvite=no? Is it because RTP packets contain private addresses? |
| 20:35.28 | casimir | Langenscheidts, as far as I know that's why, and RTP packets from outside a nat device will have the external IP, unless it's sip-aware, the firewall will be stumped |
| 20:36.23 | casimir | Langenscheidts, if your nat device tracks sip connections or acts as a sip proxy, it's not an issue, but it's easier to let * handle nat |
| 20:36.41 | Langenscheidts | OK, makes sense. So either use canreinvite=no to have Asterisk do this, use an SIP-capable NAT router, or move * in front of the router |
| 20:37.58 | drfreeze | Anyone know what this error is from: |
| 20:37.59 | drfreeze | Unloading rcbfx: ERROR: Module rcbfx does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 20:38.20 | Langenscheidts | Out of curiosity, are there other solid-state Asterisk solutions that I should look at besides the WRT54G(L) router? |
| 20:38.48 | casimir | Langenscheidts, or in a moment of desperation, you could make the router and * the same machine |
| 20:39.22 | Langenscheidts | yup, that's what I was thinking of if I couldn't get an internal and external devices talk to each other |
| 20:41.20 | Langenscheidts | thanks all for your help |
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| 20:47.59 | tdi | hi guys, does anybody knows any good reliable fastagi server ? |
| 20:48.09 | tdi | i like orderlycalls but it lacks mappings |
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| 20:54.43 | Felippe | TDM2400P, Noise Issues with echotraining=off, anyone using one of these cards? |
| 20:54.58 | joey[] | is it possible to use py-Asterisk and make a application that will make calls or py-Asterisk is for something else? |
| 20:55.11 | Strom_M | Felippe: what kind of noise? |
| 20:56.05 | Felippe | Storm, Can't hear what the other party is saying when calling to PSTN. They can hear anyone inside the system fine. |
| 20:57.25 | TaSo | hey guys, how are you today |
| 20:58.26 | TaSo | I'm about to setup my Asterisk for the first time here and start programming it a bit, about to order an FXO/FXS card, probably the Digium model to get started |
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| 20:58.58 | Strom_M | who is Storm? |
| 20:58.58 | Strom_M | and what version of asterisk / zaptel are you running? |
| 20:59.30 | tuan_modulis | im looking for a softphone that supports the BLF indicator... anyone know of any? |
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| 21:00.58 | TaSo | is there a pluggable voice-to-text recogniztion in Asterisk? |
| 21:01.11 | Strom_M | TaSo: yes - it's called lumenvox |
| 21:01.16 | TaSo | thank you very much :) |
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| 21:03.33 | TaSo | is there a way for Asterisk to call a # and drop it into a confrence call automatically once the receiving end picks up |
| 21:03.40 | Strom_M | yes |
| 21:03.41 | Strom_M | call files |
| 21:03.46 | TaSo | very cool :) |
| 21:03.51 | TaSo | damn you're blowing me away! |
| 21:04.25 | TaSo | is this stuff fairly difficult to setup |
| 21:04.41 | Strom_M | depends |
| 21:04.55 | Strom_M | some people pick it up quickly while others bash their heads into the wall indefinitely |
| 21:05.02 | TaSo | lol |
| 21:05.18 | TaSo | well I've worked with other PBX systems a little bit before and I program a lot |
| 21:05.27 | radovoip | I am running Centos 4.5 w/asterisk installed. I want to use a Linksys SPA 3102 and would like directions for a good howto for this setup |
| 21:05.27 | TaSo | hopefully this shouldn't be insane |
| 21:05.28 | Strom_M | you should have no trouble then |
| 21:05.35 | TaSo | great :) |
| 21:07.23 | TaSo | Strom_M: could I say...write a PHP/C application that sends a message to Asterisk telling it to make an outbound call to a certian # and and drop it into a certian confrence room? |
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| 21:07.23 | Strom_M | yes |
| 21:07.23 | Strom_M | AMI |
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| 21:07.24 | TaSo | wonderful! thank you so much :) |
| 21:07.29 | Strom_M | but if you're planning to telemarket, then please go die in a fire. |
| 21:07.43 | TaSo | hahaha no I'm not at all :) |
| 21:07.47 | Strom_M | ok good |
| 21:07.56 | Nugget | heh |
| 21:08.04 | joey[] | well, I'm trying to do one 'simple' thing. I have some monitoring application which has notification feature. I wish to use that notification feature to call python application which will use asterisk to make a phone call. |
| 21:08.12 | joey[] | how hard that should be? (making python app that will use asterisk to make a phone call) |
| 21:08.23 | joey[] | maybe using py-Asterisk? |
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| 21:08.55 | TaSo | wait...why would there be a py-Asterisk library but there isn't anything for C/PHP |
| 21:09.29 | joey[] | because python is much cooler than php ;) |
| 21:09.35 | TaSo | yea... |
| 21:09.36 | TaSo | pfff |
| 21:09.41 | TaSo | dumb snakes |
| 21:09.52 | Strom_M | because you can just use STDIN and STDOUT |
| 21:10.08 | TaSo | ah |
| 21:10.17 | TaSo | can you use pipes to Asterisk? |
| 21:10.33 | Strom_M | it's easier to use the AMI port |
| 21:10.37 | TaSo | okay great |
| 21:10.37 | Strom_M | and the AGI interface |
| 21:10.43 | TaSo | I'm reading up on them now |
| 21:10.53 | joey[] | Strom_M, so I should use AGI for this task? |
| 21:11.12 | Felippe | Thanks Strom_M and [TK]D-Fender´, you were both lots of help, im gonna go mess around on my system some. |
| 21:11.17 | Strom_M | joey[]: sure |
| 21:12.26 | [TK]D-Fender | joey[], no need for any special modules to trigger the call. just make a .call file |
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| 21:15.00 | joey[] | hmm, I also wanted to implement text to speech into my python app so that when it establishes connection, to play that generated sound ... |
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| 21:15.37 | TaSo | Strom_M: this says that it allows it to do so over TCP/IP...I'm going to be executing the scripts locally at first, should I still use this? |
| 21:15.52 | Strom_M | just use the local port |
| 21:16.17 | TaSo | I would just think that consumes a lot of resources |
| 21:16.20 | TaSo | but okay |
| 21:18.28 | [TK]D-Fender | joey[], Strill all doable without AGI or anything particularly funky |
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| 21:19.56 | joey[] | [TK]D-Fender? |
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| 21:20.43 | becks` | hi, isn't sending nat keepalives to asterisk enough for "staying online"? |
| 21:21.01 | becks` | i send them every 20s with my client, but he removes me often from the list |
| 21:21.09 | joey[] | I just saw Asterisk combining with Festival (TTS) ... ;) |
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| 21:28.17 | ThOr101 | ~book |
| 21:28.32 | jbot | i heard book is a book called Asterisk: The Future of Telephony which is found at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=11 |
| 21:28.57 | ThOr101 | thanks, sorry I had to do that in channel (Better than a dumb question though!) Cheers! --BYE |
| 21:29.49 | [TK]D-Fender | becks`, who's sending the keep-alive? |
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| 21:37.56 | kombi | why on earth did I buy cisco.. |
| 21:38.46 | kombi | ..7941 so drives me up the wall |
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| 21:38.51 | SwK | hah |
| 21:39.01 | Marwan | !help |
| 21:39.13 | Strom_M | boners! |
| 21:39.15 | Strom_M | ~ask |
| 21:39.31 | jbot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 21:39.59 | Marwan | I have tdm24xxp, when I probe for it, it just hangs |
| 21:40.11 | kombi | it does not load the freakin firmware, I put in a hostname.cnf and everything but no luck |
| 21:40.25 | Marwan | I read reviews online, some people say it's buggy, or extra 'sensitive'. any recommendations? |
| 21:40.40 | Marwan | i'm just trixbox 2 |
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| 21:43.10 | kombi | ok, here's a better question: what files need to be there in tftp besides the firmware when upgrading a 7941 to sip? |
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| 21:46.27 | [TK]D-Fender | kombi, Sorry, only you can answer that one... |
| 21:46.42 | [TK]D-Fender | kombi, (as to why) |
| 21:47.34 | kombi | [TK]D-Fender> which wasn't quite the question though.. |
| 21:48.40 | kombi | how do you join lines in vi? ([TK]D-Fender)? |
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| 21:52.02 | [TK]D-Fender | kombi, Dunno. Don't use vi. |
| 21:52.25 | kombi | thought so..;) something j I remember.. |
| 21:53.12 | [TK]D-Fender | kombi, Thought so, why? |
| 21:53.30 | kombi | hrrmf.. damn thing loads the config but not the firmware, that must be what they call an unprovisioned state.. |
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| 21:54.57 | kombi | [TK]D-Fender: just teasing you, don't take it from a guy loosing his mind on stupid cisco phone though..;) |
| 21:55.15 | [TK]D-Fender | kombi, RMA it and buy a Polycom instead :) |
| 21:59.26 | Hmmhesays | heh |
| 21:59.36 | [TK]D-Fender | not the hair! Not the hair!! |
| 21:59.59 | kombi | is there any? |
| 22:00.09 | Katty | Hmmhesays: hey you (= |
| 22:00.24 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: tomorrow i'm starting on paging/intercom, me thinks |
| 22:00.39 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: well, paging, i guess. |
| 22:00.44 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: non-two way conversation. just 1 |
| 22:01.06 | Katty | [TK]D-Fender: and maybe trying to understand how stuff works based on time |
| 22:01.58 | Katty | anywho, i'm going home. g'later |
| 22:02.06 | [TK]D-Fender | l8r |
| 22:02.46 | Marwan | q?quit |
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| 22:07.48 | galeras | Any idea how to identified why my server is generating this type of broadcast?: "ARP Who has XXXXX?" |
| 22:08.21 | xpot | anyone know if cdr_custom_odbc is finished? |
| 22:08.42 | xpot | I would like to add fields to the CDR on SQL server |
| 22:08.51 | nestAr | galeras: arp traffic is part of the whole tcp/ip think |
| 22:10.48 | mcab | galeras: google "Address Resolution Protocol", it maps MAC addresses to IP address |
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| 22:12.52 | kink0 | hi |
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| 22:13.01 | galeras | my problem the * server is looking for address that are not in service, so i suspect there is some kind of service who is trying to discover all the network. |
| 22:13.59 | kink0 | anyone knows why Asterisk+H323 crashes when many h323 calls ? |
| 22:17.29 | JT | because h.323 sucks with asterisk |
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| 22:18.16 | kink0 | JT #define sucks; :) |
| 22:18.25 | bblack | hi all; does ARA support multiple entries for sippeers/sipusers? (to use it to include peers from multiple tables, or multiple servers for example) |
| 22:18.41 | kink0 | I know, but what is technically spoken the real cause, and why goes fine when no much calls |
| 22:18.55 | kink0 | as appears there enough resourses |
| 22:19.24 | JT | kink0: there are slo 3 different h.323 channel drivers |
| 22:19.49 | kink0 | JT I used two, one from the own Asterisk and the other from asterisk add-ons |
| 22:20.14 | becks` | [TK]D-Fender: sorry, late reply ;) the client is sending keepalives. as far as i know this should be enough :) |
| 22:20.15 | kink0 | both does exactly the same, may be the one from add-ons is a little more stable |
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| 22:25.38 | Waverly360 | Has anyone seen this in their asterisk error log just before a crash before?: channel.c: Thread -1215214672 Blocking 'Zap/1-1', already blocked by thread -1214415952 in procedure ast_waitfor_nandfds |
| 22:27.13 | Waverly360 | That's immediately followed by: chan_zap.c: Cannot handle frames in 2 format |
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| 22:33.26 | Waverly360 | Surely someone's seen this error before. |
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| 23:08.08 | sky_net | is there a big reason go upgrade from 1.2.7.1 to 1.4.4? |
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| 23:08.27 | JunK-Y | security issues. |
| 23:09.47 | sky_net | for some reason I just cant get good audio quality i am using vitelity.net (at the moment) I tried IAX2 and it sounded really bad... SIP no quite so bad... but when I SIP directly from a grandstream ht386 it sounds much better... |
| 23:10.09 | sky_net | using g729 across the board |
| 23:10.34 | sky_net | am i doing anything obviously stupid? |
| 23:11.18 | JT | yes |
| 23:11.26 | JT | grandstream |
| 23:11.36 | JT | and if you want best audio quality, you should ditch g.729 |
| 23:12.08 | *** join/#asterisk aptura (n=jondoe@S010600a0c93f6f7e.vs.shawcable.net) |
| 23:12.14 | sky_net | my options at vitelity are alaw ulaw gsm and g729 alaw and ulaw sound bad and gsm makes you sound like a computer voice... |
| 23:12.20 | *** join/#asterisk ardor (n=Miranda@las-static-66.18.135.148.mpowercom.net) |
| 23:12.33 | JT | alaw and ulaw should sound good |
| 23:12.34 | ardor | Hi everyone |
| 23:12.45 | JT | unless you have insufficient bandwidth |
| 23:12.58 | ardor | nothing sounds good with packet loss also |
| 23:13.08 | sky_net | I have about 4 megs there but no qos at this point |
| 23:13.19 | JT | sky_net: in both directions? |
| 23:13.50 | sky_net | it seems like ilbc sounded ok on this end at least (with about a 2% packet loss from my cable connection... pbx is on the 4meg u/d) |
| 23:13.52 | ardor | JT: i was wondering, is there a way to do voicemail without using the voicemail.conf file. |
| 23:13.52 | aptura | ulaw is okay |
| 23:14.17 | JT | sky_net: packet loss..... |
| 23:14.23 | ardor | i would love to say voicemail(${box},${pin},${email}) |
| 23:14.24 | JT | aptura: what's better that you use? |
| 23:14.45 | sky_net | JT <1% pl on pbx side |
| 23:14.47 | aptura | I use ulaw and it works almost as good as a standard call on pstn. |
| 23:15.02 | JT | sky_net: there should be 0% |
| 23:15.16 | JT | aptura: it should actually sound the same. |
| 23:16.08 | aptura | I dont know if ulaw is the excepted standard but its mine. |
| 23:16.33 | JT | aptura: the pstn uses g.711, hence your calls should sound the same |
| 23:16.41 | aptura | sure |
| 23:16.42 | aptura | :) |
| 23:17.13 | JT | unless your network is crappy |
| 23:17.55 | sky_net | running mtr on asterisk -> vitelity... thier network has a couple hosts that drop packets I am 0% to xo.net (vitelity is iether XO or is hosted by them) |
| 23:18.08 | sky_net | anyone have any reccomendations for another provider? |
| 23:18.14 | bkw_ | sky_net, mtr isn't a gague of anything |
| 23:18.24 | bkw_ | if it drops packets it could be related to ICMP having lower priority |
| 23:18.40 | sky_net | bkw_ so what should I use? |
| 23:19.20 | *** join/#asterisk mightnare (n=mike@s230165.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 23:19.23 | bkw_ | not anything that uses ICMP thats for sure |
| 23:19.43 | *** join/#asterisk techie (n=gus@voip.routedsystems.com) |
| 23:19.50 | bkw_ | because the packets can and do get dropped |
| 23:19.53 | JT | icmp testing cools can give you an indication of problems |
| 23:20.00 | JT | but you should look only at them |
| 23:20.04 | JT | shouldn't |
| 23:20.07 | bkw_ | right |
| 23:20.16 | bkw_ | a few packets lost here and there are going to happen |
| 23:20.18 | bkw_ | its the public internet |
| 23:20.21 | JT | s/cools/tools/ |
| 23:20.26 | bkw_ | you have to accept that fact |
| 23:20.33 | ardor | is there a way to dymanicly add voicemail boxes? |
| 23:20.33 | sky_net | but if its >1% i assume something is bad |
| 23:20.43 | bkw_ | sky_net, usually |
| 23:20.45 | JT | right, i'd say he should remove things like the grandstream first and do more LAN testing |
| 23:21.19 | sky_net | ata suggestions? |
| 23:22.03 | JT | sipura/linksys |
| 23:22.13 | ardor | bkw_: is there anything setup to dymanicly add voicemail boxes through dialplan or manager? |
| 23:22.26 | bkw_ | ardor, I can't recall |
| 23:22.37 | ardor | Thanks. |
| 23:22.38 | sky_net | is there a way to unlock those linksys atas? I had one given to me |
| 23:22.45 | bkw_ | sky_net, no |
| 23:23.05 | sky_net | ah... |
| 23:23.36 | sky_net | what are the problems with grandstream? when i SIP directly to vitelity it sounds great |
| 23:23.45 | bkw_ | not that i know of |
| 23:23.50 | bkw_ | so you go thru asterisk and the sound is bad? |
| 23:24.00 | sky_net | bkw_ right... |
| 23:24.09 | bkw_ | it could be anything really |
| 23:24.17 | bkw_ | chances are timestamp issues |
| 23:24.22 | bkw_ | or the clock drifts |
| 23:24.25 | sky_net | i got rid of any codec conversion... |
| 23:24.36 | bkw_ | what version? |
| 23:24.37 | bkw_ | 1.4? |
| 23:24.38 | sky_net | so if ntp is running i should be ok? |
| 23:24.43 | bkw_ | ntp won't help you here |
| 23:24.51 | bkw_ | does it sound jittery? |
| 23:24.51 | sky_net | 1.2.7.1 |
| 23:24.57 | bkw_ | oh update boy |
| 23:25.01 | bkw_ | 1.2.x latest |
| 23:25.17 | sky_net | but stay with 1.2 branch... |
| 23:25.36 | sky_net | it sounds more choppy than jittery and a bit garbled |
| 23:25.41 | sky_net | scratchy |
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| 23:26.16 | syzygyBSD | does anyone have an example svr record I can look at ? |
| 23:26.24 | bkw_ | google does |
| 23:26.24 | syzygyBSD | or know of one I can ? |
| 23:26.49 | sky_net | man named.conf |
| 23:26.51 | JT | do you mean srv? |
| 23:26.53 | bkw_ | do an SRV lookup on _sip._udp.asterlink.com |
| 23:27.04 | syzygyBSD | ya |
| 23:27.30 | bkw_ | syzygyBSD, http://mit.edu/sip/sip.edu/dns.shtml |
| 23:27.42 | bkw_ | I googled for BIND SIP SRV |
| 23:28.00 | syzygyBSD | ya, sadly I am not setting this up on bind |
| 23:28.06 | bkw_ | tinydns? |
| 23:28.08 | syzygyBSD | or for sip :) |
| 23:28.18 | sky_net | another quickie vitelity recommends SIP is it cause they suck or is IAX not so hot? |
| 23:28.21 | syzygyBSD | windows... and a stupid cms on top of it |
| 23:28.25 | bkw_ | http://www.anders.com/projects/sysadmin/djbdnsRecordBuilder/ |
| 23:28.26 | syzygyBSD | for a client, not me |
| 23:28.36 | bkw_ | sky_net, just use SIP |
| 23:28.45 | aptura | syzygyBSD are you a bind expert? |
| 23:28.53 | JT | syzygyBSD: i don't know is that even supports srv |
| 23:28.54 | bkw_ | sky_net, you using IAX at all in this mix? |
| 23:28.54 | sky_net | (there is no sip show netstats) |
| 23:29.01 | syzygyBSD | expert.. no, but I can set it up well enough |
| 23:29.09 | JT | sky_net: they recommend sip because it's much more scalable for ITSPs |
| 23:29.25 | bkw_ | yep JT is right |
| 23:29.27 | aptura | I think my sendmail is not reading bind properly to send the vm to email out. |
| 23:29.28 | syzygyBSD | JT: I know plesk doesn't, hope the dns server does though |
| 23:29.46 | sky_net | bkw_ I was originally using IAX now I am trying SIP to try to correct quality problems |
| 23:29.46 | JT | syzygyBSD: doubt it, for bind, only bind 9 supports srv iirc |
| 23:30.00 | syzygyBSD | JT: thanks |
| 23:30.03 | Waverly360 | Has anyone seen this in their asterisk error log just before a crash before?: channel.c: Thread -1215214672 Blocking 'Zap/1-1', already blocked by thread -1214415952 in procedure ast_waitfor_nandfds |
| 23:30.14 | sky_net | This server (or its decendants) should be able (in the future) to do >1000 calls |
| 23:30.24 | bkw_ | sky_net, on asterisk? |
| 23:30.35 | sky_net | I read that IAX was better for large numbers of calls |
| 23:30.42 | sky_net | bkw_ yes asterisk |
| 23:30.53 | bkw_ | sky_net, haha good one you'll never get 1000 calls with media on a single asterisk box |
| 23:30.56 | aptura | sky that is more a function of compression and transcoding |
| 23:31.06 | bkw_ | aptura, no its not.. its trunking |
| 23:31.12 | bkw_ | and all calls have to go between the same points |
| 23:31.13 | aptura | and trunking |
| 23:31.19 | bkw_ | and you need to do 10+ at the same time to make it worth while |
| 23:31.22 | sky_net | trunking is what i need |
| 23:31.30 | bkw_ | no you don't |
| 23:31.37 | bkw_ | unless you're doing tons of calls you don't save jack |
| 23:31.58 | aptura | intel is in the plans to design multi hundred cord cpus. |
| 23:32.05 | aptura | pretty insane. |
| 23:32.06 | bkw_ | aptura, but that doesn't matter |
| 23:32.14 | bkw_ | it works for highly threaded applications |
| 23:32.16 | sky_net | i need to do tons of calls asterisk box is going to be a quad proc/16gigs o ram |
| 23:32.29 | bkw_ | sky_net, i'm telling you.. YOU WILL NEVER GET THAT NUMBER |
| 23:32.43 | bkw_ | no matter how much ram you throw at it |
| 23:32.47 | bkw_ | you crack me up |
| 23:32.48 | sky_net | so what do i use? |
| 23:33.06 | sky_net | multiple servers? |
| 23:36.44 | Waverly360 | sky_net: You could use multiple servers. |
| 23:36.45 | *** part/#asterisk UCFmethod (n=UCFmetho@office.eyestreet.com) |
| 23:37.15 | Waverly360 | sky_net: It may make working with queues, conference rooms and such, a pain to use. |
| 23:38.45 | bkw_ | or one FreeSWITCH box |
| 23:38.53 | bkw_ | use Asterisk for VM and apps |
| 23:39.06 | bkw_ | FreeSWITCH for heavy lifting.. and OpenSER for registrations |
| 23:39.09 | Waverly360 | bkw_: Freeswitch isn't ready for that yet is it? |
| 23:39.16 | bkw_ | Waverly360, yes I use it right now |
| 23:39.26 | JT | it's silly to put 1000 calls on one box with no backup or load balancing anyway |
| 23:39.30 | JT | if it dies for some reason |
| 23:39.32 | JT | bye $$$ |
| 23:39.36 | bkw_ | JT well the idea is not to crash |
| 23:39.40 | bkw_ | FreeSWITCH has crash protection |
| 23:39.47 | mishehu | yo bandanaman |
| 23:39.51 | Waverly360 | bkw_: I may have to start moving in that direction. |
| 23:39.54 | JT | yeah, even telcos aren't that insane, they have backups :) |
| 23:39.54 | bkw_ | one badly misbehaved thread doesn't bring the switch down |
| 23:40.03 | Waverly360 | mishehu: Hah! Hey, what's up man? |
| 23:40.06 | JunK-Y | JT: needs are present for some companies. so thats not stupid. |
| 23:40.24 | bkw_ | JT, if you want reliability like that they make linux hardware that is fully redundant |
| 23:40.25 | mishehu | Waverly360: been too busy with IT clients, it's cut down on my dev time, but still attempting to dev for the FS |
| 23:40.29 | bkw_ | that you can run fs on |
| 23:40.33 | JT | bkw_: even if freeswitch is super stable, you need to run it on a lockstep machine if you're only relying on the single machine, and it's an important application |
| 23:40.34 | Waverly360 | bkw_: But with asterisk still being your connection to PSTN and applications, asterisk can still die preventing you from making calls. |
| 23:40.42 | mishehu | Waverly360: you coming in for cluecon? |
| 23:40.49 | Waverly360 | mishehu: Indeed I am. |
| 23:40.50 | bkw_ | Waverly360, I don't use asterisk for PSTN |
| 23:40.51 | bkw_ | I use FS |
| 23:40.53 | JT | JunK-Y: handling 1000 calls is one thing, doing so with no backup is another |
| 23:40.54 | bkw_ | and sangoma cards |
| 23:41.18 | Waverly360 | bkw_: Oh, last time I checked there wasn't any PSTN support for Freeswitch..I guess it's been awhile. |
| 23:41.21 | mishehu | I still need to get me one of those sanny gomez cards |
| 23:41.32 | bkw_ | Waverly360, its been there for ages |
| 23:41.34 | bkw_ | :P |
| 23:41.34 | Waverly360 | mishehu: That's what we use. |
| 23:41.40 | JunK-Y | even dealing 100 sim calls w/out backups is stupid. |
| 23:41.40 | mishehu | Waverly360: it's been a while indeed. you've been hiding I see. loooooong time. |
| 23:42.01 | JT | JunK-Y: modern hardware can easily handle 1000calls if setup right, but that wasn't my point :) |
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| 23:42.04 | JT | JunK-Y: right |
| 23:42.05 | Waverly360 | bkw_: Well..come to think of it, it's been a LONG time since I've actually looked at freeswitch. |
| 23:42.20 | bkw_ | its getting close to its first beta release |
| 23:42.25 | bkw_ | we are in a bug fix phase right now |
| 23:42.51 | Waverly360 | mishehu: Yeah, I've been busting ass at work, trying to make sure customers are happy. |
| 23:43.05 | bkw_ | people seem to think fs is here to replace asterisk and that isn't the case |
| 23:43.07 | mishehu | Waverly360: I'm hoping that at this year's cluecon I can re-design mod_cdr a bit, remove some of the serialization. |
| 23:43.11 | bkw_ | the two work together quite well |
| 23:43.37 | JT | bkw_: so... T.38? :) |
| 23:43.43 | mishehu | Waverly360: Rule #1: Customers will never be happy. Rule #2: If customers are happy, they lied. See rule #1 ;-) |
| 23:43.43 | bkw_ | JT coming soon.. |
| 23:43.51 | bkw_ | we have an interface to spandsp over a socket right now |
| 23:43.51 | JT | that's what they all say :D |
| 23:43.51 | Waverly360 | bkw_: Well, maybe if you have a chance, we can chat sometime about that. I'd always hoped I could move our stuff from asterisk to freeswitch, even if it's one piece at a time. |
| 23:43.52 | bkw_ | works great |
| 23:44.04 | bkw_ | JT coppice hangs out in our channel and gave us a copy of his UDPTL code |
| 23:44.07 | mishehu | asterisk makes a decent pbx, fs makes a great switch. |
| 23:44.08 | JT | will there be a native solution? |
| 23:44.09 | bkw_ | so its getting there |
| 23:44.13 | JT | ok |
| 23:44.14 | bkw_ | JT yes |
| 23:44.15 | Waverly360 | mishehu: Well, that's true, but customer's should be 'not screaming' because their phone system crashed. |
| 23:44.21 | mishehu | Waverly360 |
| 23:44.26 | bkw_ | heck it took one day to get a jitter buffer that works |
| 23:44.26 | JT | well it sounds like steve's code :P |
| 23:44.27 | mishehu | Waverly360: true that... |
| 23:44.31 | bkw_ | we wrote it from scratch |
| 23:44.34 | bkw_ | well anthm did |
| 23:44.42 | bkw_ | kicks arse |
| 23:44.50 | mishehu | bkw_: I didn't look at the code, did we use those bucket thingies in apr-util for that? |
| 23:45.00 | Waverly360 | bkw_: Were you at Cluecon last year? I think I may have met you. |
| 23:45.04 | bkw_ | mishehu, don't think so |
| 23:45.07 | bkw_ | Waverly360, yes |
| 23:45.09 | JT | so for now, cw is the only thing that does t.38 endpoint, right? |
| 23:45.11 | mishehu | Waverly360: you met bkw_. everybody did! |
| 23:45.22 | bkw_ | Waverly360, I'm the one that does most of the planning for cluecon |
| 23:45.23 | Waverly360 | bkw_: I have a hard time rememebering names and faces..seriously..it's been a LONG year. |
| 23:45.25 | bkw_ | so I was surely there |
| 23:45.36 | Waverly360 | bkw_: Hah..sorry. I have a broken brain. |
| 23:45.43 | bkw_ | I'm the guy that does this schedule and such also :P |
| 23:45.52 | bkw_ | hehe |
| 23:46.22 | Waverly360 | bkw_: I haven't gotten my reservation and such setup yet..I'm gonna try and do that this week. pdt won't be making it this year I don't think. |
| 23:46.37 | bkw_ | Waverly360, ah ok go smack him for me |
| 23:46.49 | Waverly360 | bkw_: Well, I would, but he doesn't work here anymore. He quit. |
| 23:46.55 | bkw_ | ah yes |
| 23:47.10 | Waverly360 | bkw_: It's just me. :P |
| 23:47.11 | bkw_ | I'm the one that sat in the bar with Kevin Lenzo and fixed Festival to compile on mac OS X |
| 23:47.23 | bkw_ | I also learned how to build voices with festival |
| 23:47.29 | bkw_ | I did the talking clock with my voice :P |
| 23:48.17 | Waverly360 | bkw_: I apologize for the poor memory. pdt was the one who hung out with you guys mostly. I couldn't keep up with him at the time. I was just a perl developer who dabbled in asterisk. |
| 23:48.41 | *** join/#asterisk flashnet (i=flashnet@gateway/tor/x-13a39d685504045f) |
| 23:48.45 | bkw_ | Waverly360, well when you get ready to signup for cluecon call the number.. i'm the guy that answers the phone :P |
| 23:49.32 | Waverly360 | bkw_: Will do. I wouldn't mind seriously looking into moving a lot of our product to FreeSwitch. |
| 23:49.56 | bkw_ | Waverly360, you trying to get me shot or something :P |
| 23:50.26 | Waverly360 | bkw_: Nah. Asterisk is great. It's done a helluva job, and still is. |
| 23:50.56 | Waverly360 | bkw_: I just know we need more stability, and not many can argue that asterisk has it's issues. |
| 23:51.41 | JT | as far as i'm concerned |
| 23:52.06 | JT | something that ALL open source telephony projects need to work on perfecting in the near term are: T.38 and H.323 support |
| 23:52.21 | JT | these are major limitations |
| 23:52.22 | bkw_ | JT yes I can agree on that |
| 23:52.30 | bkw_ | we don't do h323 yet |
| 23:52.35 | bkw_ | only via woomera |
| 23:52.43 | JT | SS7 would be nice, but really is niche and needs certifying anyway |
| 23:52.43 | bkw_ | the new woomera can speak sip, iax and h323 |
| 23:52.44 | JT | hmm |
| 23:53.28 | JT | also better integration with messaging like SMS would be good |
| 23:53.37 | bkw_ | well I have that on my list |
| 23:53.42 | Waverly360 | So h323 is an alternative to voip? What are the advantages over SIP? |
| 23:53.51 | JT | there is very little open source sms stuff that can act as a gateway/app server |
| 23:53.53 | bkw_ | h323 is yet another voip protocol |
| 23:54.03 | Waverly360 | crap..I meant sip |
| 23:54.05 | Waverly360 | not voip :P |
| 23:54.07 | bkw_ | sms needs ss7 really |
| 23:54.07 | JT | Waverly360: H.323 is the ITU voip standard |
| 23:54.18 | JT | it's been around longer than SIP |
| 23:54.33 | Waverly360 | Oh, I see. |
| 23:54.44 | JT | telcos use it mainly |
| 23:54.51 | Waverly360 | and the t.38 stuff would make faxing over voip easier? |
| 23:54.56 | bkw_ | yes |
| 23:54.57 | JT | it makes it work |
| 23:54.58 | Waverly360 | or..more reliable maybe? |
| 23:55.01 | bkw_ | yes |
| 23:55.02 | JT | not just easier |
| 23:55.15 | JT | you're not meant to fax over voip codecs, ever :P |
| 23:55.46 | Waverly360 | hmm |
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| 23:55.58 | JT | while we're on that topic, what about other problems to do with modems, like credit card terminals, dialup modems? :) |
| 23:56.29 | bkw_ | 300-2400 bps over a 711 should work |
| 23:56.35 | bkw_ | but why are you using cc over dialup anyway? |
| 23:56.43 | bkw_ | got internet use that.. no need for dialup.. you got DSL |
| 23:56.46 | bkw_ | duh :P |
| 23:56.53 | JT | i'm not, but customer sites will have stuff like this |
| 23:56.55 | *** join/#asterisk tecnico (n=tecnico@24.96.146.69) |
| 23:57.05 | bkw_ | they make credit card terminals that use GPRS |
| 23:57.11 | JT | it always lowers the cost savings when they need to dedicate analogue lines to that crap |
| 23:57.21 | JT | when you try to amalgamate everything on pri |
| 23:57.38 | bkw_ | brb |
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| 23:57.54 | samy_b1 | hi all |
| 23:58.00 | JT | i'm pretty sure modems and faxes work fine over telco voip solutions too :P |
| 23:58.17 | JT | otherwise they'd hear no end of complaints, as they use voip on some call routes |
| 23:58.21 | samy_b1 | can some one tell me how to register to sip did that is reqaering md5 |
| 23:58.37 | samy_b1 | i try that already |
| 23:58.47 | aptura | JT has * resolved the fax issue? |
| 23:58.51 | samy_b1 | http://forums.digium.com/viewtopic.php?p=51094&sid=ff1a2d52b838a25ff8b5d1898182f187 |
| 23:58.54 | JT | aptura: no |
| 23:58.59 | aptura | mmmm |
| 23:59.11 | aptura | Shaw digital cable can handle fax |
