irclog2html for #asterisk on 20051231

`00:00.04`	`[av]bani`	`what i dont get is why someone doesnt make a 'dumbphone' which just makes the phone a literal asterisk extension`
`00:00.29`	`groogs`	`[av]bani: like an analog phone that connects to an fxs port? :P`
`00:00.30`	`*** part/#asterisk JaredBluestein (n=Jared@nwlnnhbas01-pool0-a209.nwlnnh.tds.net)`
`00:00.31`	`ManxPower`	`[av]bani, several have tried, all have failrf.`
`00:00.32`	`[av]bani`	`yeh`
`00:00.34`	`Qwell[]`	`[av]bani: You mean like all of the softkeys asking asterisk what they should do?`
`00:00.44`	`[av]bani`	`asterisk drives the lcd, handles the keys, etc`
`00:00.49`	`Qwell[]`	`so...`
`00:00.50`	`[av]bani`	`drives the audio`
`00:00.54`	`Qwell[]`	`like sccp?`
`00:00.55`	`groogs`	`ah.. well.. that would work too`
`00:01.00`	`[av]bani`	`even dumber i guess`
`00:01.08`	`[av]bani`	`is sccp pretty dumb?`
`00:01.11`	`Qwell[]`	`very`
`00:01.12`	`groogs`	`but i dunno if it would be any benefit to just having the phone do that stuff`
`00:01.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Thats what you call "digital key systems" and is against everything that * stands for!`
`00:01.23`	`[av]bani`	`not really, * stands for flexibility`
`00:01.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Also keep in mind the with SIP, the phone is KING, not the server.`
`00:01.42`	`[av]bani`	`yes, but what if you want * king :)`
`00:01.44`	`groogs`	`the processing for being dumb is probably almost the same as just having the software in the phone ... and you don't rely on the server doing work`
`00:01.53`	`Qwell[]`	`[av]bani: Then you buy ciscos, and use sccp :p`
`00:02.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : then you just want a different jailor, not freedom :)`
`00:02.03`	`[av]bani`	`well see, then you could have * control the phone and make it do what you want if the firmware doesnt`
`00:02.12`	`[av]bani`	`which is the problem as it is now`
`00:02.17`	`[av]bani`	`eg, your phone doesnt do xyz`
`00:02.30`	`[av]bani`	`with *, you could make it do`
`00:02.49`	`[av]bani`	`instead of now, sip, oh too bad you need to pay $30 extra for feature xyz`
`00:02.51`	`ManxPower`	`[av]bani, let us know when it ships.`
`00:03.07`	`[av]bani`	`i wonder if thats what the mitel phones do`
`00:03.33`	`ManxPower`	`[av]bani, Both SCCP and MGCP pretty much use the model you are talking about.`
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`00:03.54`	`[av]bani`	`does anyone except cisco use them`
`00:04.06`	`Qwell[]`	`there are very few non-cisco sccp phones`
`00:04.11`	`Qwell[]`	`like...1`
`00:04.12`	`[av]bani`	`*'s support seems pretty limited for them too`
`00:04.25`	`Qwell[]`	`[av]bani: No, * supports them very well now`
`00:04.51`	`[av]bani`	`i think i checked around june of this year, and it was "works, mostly"`
`00:05.01`	`Qwell[]`	`yeah, mostly`
`00:05.04`	`Qwell[]`	`sip works...mostly`
`00:05.52`	`[av]bani`	`heh this ebay guy refuses to tell me who the vendor is`
`00:05.52`	`*** join/#asterisk anonymouz666 (n=lynx@200.218.193.6)`
`00:05.57`	`[av]bani`	`"its made in taiwan"`
`00:07.59`	`[av]bani`	`used sccp ciscos seem pretty cheap`
`00:08.00`	`groogs`	`anyone tried this thing? http://www.net-gurus.net/2005/12/28/micronet-sp5106-sip-phone/`
`00:08.27`	`Qwell[]`	`[av]bani: They've gone down a bit the last few months. 7970s can be had (new) for $500`
`00:08.33`	`[av]bani`	`looks like a pa168 clone`
`00:08.49`	`[av]bani`	`no mention of price`
`00:08.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Qwell :Whatn can you do with the colour LCD?`
`00:08.59`	`Qwell[]`	`[TK]D-Fender: bunch of sexy menu stuff`
`00:09.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Qwell : Live interactivity?`
`00:09.14`	`Qwell[]`	`I think it's got an idle menu too...not sure though`
`00:09.21`	`Qwell[]`	`yeah, sure`
`00:09.27`	`Qwell[]`	`it's touchscreen too...that's hot`
`00:09.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`groogs : Looks like a cheap toy.`
`00:09.44`	`*** join/#asterisk Ariel_ (n=Ariel@dsl-20-177.cofs.net)`
`00:09.51`	`denon`	`use it to show realtime ping times to different points on your network :)`
`00:09.56`	`groogs`	`maybe. that guy seemed to think it was okay`
`00:10.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Qwell : if it is realy controllable and possible to do video feeds, then I'd look at it seriously.`
`00:10.04`	`groogs`	`i've never heard of micronet before thuogh`
`00:10.09`	`Qwell[]`	`it won't do video :(`
`00:10.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Qwell : its validation for me is waning!`
`00:10.29`	`denon`	`qwell: sure it will .. just measured in seconds per frame, instead of fps`
`00:10.43`	`Qwell[]`	`denon: Well, sure...meta refresh on 1s intervals`
`00:10.48`	`[av]bani`	`color lcd? touchscreen? what?`
`00:10.54`	`[av]bani`	`where? oO_ O_o _Oo`
`00:10.56`	`denon`	`mhmm`
`00:10.56`	`Qwell[]`	`[av]bani 7970/7971`
`00:10.58`	`[av]bani`	`ah`
`00:11.02`	`[av]bani`	$_$
`00:11.09`	`Qwell[]`	`denon: Have you done anything with that?`
`00:11.16`	`denon`	`qwell: Newp`
`00:11.19`	`Qwell[]`	`shame`
`00:11.25`	`denon`	`bet its doable though`
`00:11.30`	`Qwell[]`	`I'm sure it is`
`00:11.30`	`denon`	`too bad it doesnt render flash <G>`
`00:11.36`	`Qwell[]`	`could probably sync it to audio too`
`00:11.46`	`denon`	`poor man's video conf`
`00:11.50`	`[av]bani`	`7970... sexxy`
`00:11.51`	`Qwell[]`	`rtp can be streamed right to it`
`00:11.56`	`Qwell[]`	`(and from it)`
`00:12.04`	`[av]bani`	`streaming pr0n`
`00:12.20`	`Qwell[]`	`somebody pay me, and I'll write a streaming pr0n server (1fps) for a 7970`
`00:12.28`	`denon`	`eh, nah`
`00:12.44`	`Qwell[]`	`fine`
`00:12.45`	`[av]bani`	`http://www.cisco.com/image/jpeg/en/us/guest/products/ps5440/c1122/cdccont_0900aecd800c11e5.jpg`
`00:12.49`	`[av]bani`	`mmmmm`
`00:13.14`	`[av]bani`	`7971-ge, lol`
`00:13.15`	`Qwell[]`	`[av]bani: oh, that's nothing, really`
`00:13.18`	`Qwell[]`	`g-ge`
`00:13.30`	`Qwell[]`	`gbit ethernet.`
`00:13.39`	`[av]bani`	`gbe for a phone.. lol`
`00:13.49`	`Qwell[]`	`it's for the switch port`
`00:13.58`	`Qwell[]`	`switch>phone>desktop`
`00:14.05`	`Qwell[]`	`desktop now has gbit`
`00:14.24`	`Qwell[]`	`there are also 7961g-ge and 7941g-ge`
`00:14.35`	`[av]bani`	`$500 :o`
`00:14.47`	`Qwell[]`	`yeah, the 7970 isn't expensive at all anymore`
`00:14.54`	`Qwell[]`	`it was up around $750 a few months ago`
`00:15.18`	`denon`	`bout time`
`00:15.23`	`Qwell[]`	`yeah, really`
`00:15.36`	`denon`	`on the gig-e i mean`
`00:15.45`	`Qwell[]`	`that too`
`00:15.59`	`Qwell[]`	`and the 7961 have lit line buttons too now`
`00:16.18`	`Qwell[]`	`(7970 always had that)`
`00:16.30`	`denon`	`so it finally caught up with the $150 linksys :)`
`00:16.35`	`Qwell[]`	`yep :p`
`00:16.47`	`mrdigital`	`anyone know the dlink model voip phone`
`00:16.51`	`Nugget`	`will the 7961 take the 79x0 sip firmware?`
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`00:17.02`	`Qwell[]`	`Nugget: I believe they're functionally the same`
`00:17.08`	`Qwell[]`	`don't quite me on that though`
`00:17.08`	`Nugget`	`cool`
`00:17.13`	`*** join/#asterisk justinu (n=justinu@207.181.0.86)`
`00:17.14`	`Qwell[]`	`quote rather...`
`00:17.16`	`*** join/#asterisk harryvv (n=none@S010600a0c93f6f7e.vs.shawcable.net)`
`00:17.26`	`bkw__`	`ok`
`00:17.28`	`Nugget`	`Dear Cisco: Qwell said it would work!`
`00:17.30`	`Qwell[]`	`in fact, isn't the 7940/7960 firmware the same?`
`00:17.31`	`harryvv`	`I called sixtel and on the second ring thay answered`
`00:17.33`	`justinu`	`herro`
`00:17.35`	`Nugget`	`Qwell[]: yes`
`00:17.41`	`bkw__`	`THAT WAS SO WORTH THE 3+ hours drive one way`
`00:17.53`	`Qwell[]`	`eh?`
`00:17.55`	`enzo123`	`sup guys`
`00:17.56`	`[av]bani`	`o_O`
`00:18.04`	`bkw__`	`Brokeback Mountain.... GO SEE IT`
`00:18.05`	`justinu`	`the theater is 6 hours away?`
`00:18.09`	`enzo123`	`LOL`
`00:18.10`	`[av]bani`	`oh heh`
`00:18.14`	`justinu`	`it's 5 minutes from my house`
`00:18.16`	`harryvv`	`this is the first time i talked to a sixtel employee.`
`00:18.16`	`enzo123`	`brokeback mnt.. umm no thanks`
`00:18.18`	`Qwell[]`	`Nugget: Want me to check the cisco site, see if it says anything about that?`
`00:18.19`	`bkw__`	`its a 6 hour round trip`
`00:18.24`	`[av]bani`	`brokeback mountain... the movie driving conservatives up the wall`
`00:18.33`	`*** join/#asterisk slak- (i=slak@rewted.biz)`
`00:18.39`	`enzo123`	`brokeback , humm`
`00:18.49`	`Ariel_`	`wow long drive for a movie`
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`00:18.55`	`slak-`	`hi guys, i noticed when joining MeetMe from a non-zaptel interface i get very distored sound..darth bvader effect`
`00:18.59`	`slak-`	`has anyone noticed this`
`00:19.00`	`enzo123`	`anyone using chan_bluetooth ?`
`00:19.03`	`[av]bani`	`darth vader, cool!`
`00:19.03`	`harryvv`	`hi Arial`
`00:19.07`	`bkw__`	`GO SEE IT`
`00:19.07`	`[av]bani`	`chan_vader`
`00:19.11`	`slak-`	`like very raspy`
`00:19.13`	`justinu`	`heh`
`00:19.13`	`Ariel_`	`hello harryvv hope all is well`
`00:19.14`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`is there any way to mix two mono channels to stereo with sox?`
`00:19.22`	`slak-`	`when i call in via zaptel everything is fine`
`00:19.26`	`slak-`	`whats the problem?`
`00:19.29`	`[av]bani`	`tzafrir, yes`
`00:19.39`	`ManxPower`	`Is that what some people call "That Gay Cowboy Movie"?`
`00:19.41`	`[av]bani`	`just define two channels for the destination file`
`00:19.45`	`bkw__`	`soxmix`
`00:19.54`	`Ariel_`	`bkw_, I wish I could. But unless we get a baby sitter it's no movie until it gets to video for us`
`00:20.00`	`slak-`	`anyone have issues with MeetMe and aweful audio quality?`
`00:20.00`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`[av]bani, how? I can't find it in the man page`
`00:20.06`	`ManxPower`	`slak-, your SIP phones is using 30ms frames instead of 20ms frames`
`00:20.10`	`slak-`	`jitter or i dont even know how to explain it`
`00:20.14`	`[av]bani`	`oh, you mean chan1.wav chan2.wav -> stereo.wav ?`
`00:20.28`	`[av]bani`	`i think you'd have to do that with 2 passes...`
`00:20.29`	`slak-`	`ManxPower: okay, i need to config this at the ATA level if i use sipira ATA for phone lines?`
`00:20.29`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`yes`
`00:20.32`	`bkw__`	`Ariel_, it was worth the drive`
`00:20.38`	`justinu`	`i've noticed that if two seperate people (RTP streams) come from the same IP, MeetMe sounds horrible`
`00:20.51`	`[av]bani`	`not sure how you'd do that, but i'm sure it's possible with sox`
`00:20.56`	`[av]bani`	`sox does anything :D`
`00:21.02`	`bkw__`	`soxmix one.wav two.wav mixed.wav`
`00:21.04`	`bkw__`	`DONE`
`00:21.08`	`[av]bani`	`yay`
`00:21.09`	`slak-`	`ManxPower: 111/111 192.168.111.202 D 5060 OK (14 ms)`
`00:21.12`	`slak-`	`14ms!`
`00:21.28`	`ManxPower`	`slak-, Um, AUDIO FRAMES`
`00:21.33`	`enzo123`	`off the lan ?`
`00:21.41`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`so there isn't really a need for stereoize , right?`
`00:21.50`	`slak-`	`ManxPower: okay in meetme.conf i have audiobuffers=32`
`00:21.54`	`slak-`	`is that related?`
`00:22.02`	`justinu`	`stereoize just makes something sound like it's in stereo, iirc`
`00:22.04`	`ManxPower`	`ON YOUR SIP PHONE.`
`00:22.05`	`slak-`	`i just added that and it didnt make any difference`
`00:22.08`	`justinu`	`adds some pan to a mono source`
`00:22.12`	`slak-`	`man`
`00:22.36`	`ManxPower`	`YOUR SIP PHONE IS CONFIGURED TO USE 30ms AUDIO FRAMES. CHANGE THAT TO 20ms ON THE PHONE (OR ATA)`
`00:22.46`	`ManxPower`	`I will not be any clearer.`
`00:22.51`	`justinu`	`settle down, bevais`
`00:22.53`	`justinu`	`beavis`
`00:22.57`	`slak-`	`im trying to find the setting in the ATA`
`00:23.53`	`slak-`	`SAS DLG Refresh Intvl`
`00:23.53`	`slak-`	`?`
`00:24.08`	`justinu`	`no`
`00:24.11`	`tzafrir_laptop`	`justinu, this is not what the comment in the beginning of the source file says`
`00:24.23`	`justinu`	`tzafrir_laptop: ok, i'm probably wrong`
`00:24.29`	`[av]bani`	`manx -> there are many decaffeinated brands on the market which are almost as tasty as the real thing!`
`00:24.58`	`justinu`	`sanka?`
`00:25.09`	`slak-`	`Ugh i dont see any ATA settings to change the sip audio frame`
`00:25.17`	`slak-`	`spa2000`
`00:25.26`	`slak-`	`RTP Packet Size:?`
`00:25.29`	`[av]bani`	`whatever it takes to get manx to stop yelling at his keyboard`
`00:25.31`	`[av]bani`	`:D`
`00:25.48`	`slak-`	`SIP Timer B:?`
`00:25.55`	`justinu`	`rtp packet size`
`00:26.15`	`ManxPower`	`[av]bani, listening to what I say is a good start.`
`00:26.22`	`slak-`	`its set to 0.030.. ManxPower it needs to be 0.020?`
`00:26.24`	`justinu`	`lol`
`00:26.33`	`ManxPower`	`slak-, try it`
`00:26.44`	`justinu`	`you can't force people to listen to you`
`00:26.53`	`enzo123`	`no one using chan_bluetooth ? I have it working as a AG to my SE phone ( can dial out from * ), but i cant get it to work as a HS. maybe im not peering my headset right to the usb adaptor.`
`00:27.00`	`justinu`	`people just wanna hear themselves talk`
`00:27.01`	`ManxPower`	`justinu, correct. I usually just put them on /ignore.`
`00:27.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`My LED indicator changes are working nicely now :)`
`00:27.28`	`Qwell[]`	`Nugget: For the sccp firmware, it looks like it is different`
`00:27.31`	`ManxPower`	`But since slak's problem has been talked about on the mailing list several times....`
`00:27.42`	`Qwell[]`	`I'm not seeing any reference to a SIP 79x1`
`00:27.56`	`ManxPower`	`I think there's even an open issue on bugs.digium.comf about it.`
`00:28.01`	`slak-`	`ok`
`00:28.04`	`slak-`	`that fixes it`
`00:28.12`	`slak-`	`now is there a way to update multiple ata units at once`
`00:28.14`	`slak-`	`:)`
`00:28.17`	`justinu`	`yeah, i know... i don't follow the mailing list that closely, because the format sucks`
`00:28.20`	`justinu`	`it should be a message board`
`00:28.29`	`ManxPower`	`justinu, no, a message board would suck.`
`00:28.32`	`enzo123`	`lol`
`00:28.33`	`justinu`	`i like them`
`00:28.36`	`justinu`	`mailing lists suck`
`00:28.40`	`Tekmaven`	`wow, the age old debate ;)`
`00:28.42`	`enzo123`	`use GMAIL`
`00:28.46`	`justinu`	`i do`
`00:28.49`	`Tekmaven`	`Mailing Lists vs Newsgroups vs Forums`
`00:28.54`	`ManxPower`	`that's why I dont use any of the 3 or 4 asterisk related "forums" out there.`
`00:28.55`	`slak-`	`vs BLOGZ`
`00:28.59`	`Qwell[]`	`Tekmaven vs IRC`
`00:29.03`	`*** join/#asterisk TheCops (i=nobody@got.securebinary.com)`
`00:29.08`	`Tekmaven`	`Qwell: hey mate`
`00:29.08`	`justinu`	`to each is own`
`00:29.13`	`[av]bani`	`fender -> 941 led?`
`00:29.13`	`justinu`	`jabber vs irc`
`00:29.14`	`Tekmaven`	`remember me? i bothered you a few months ago :-P`
`00:29.27`	`Qwell[]`	`Tekmaven: I've not got a great memory really`
`00:29.31`	`Tekmaven`	`thats good`
`00:29.34`	`ManxPower`	`I'll be happy to use a forum as soon as I filter the messages thru procmail.`
`00:29.35`	`Tekmaven`	`now i can bother you more ;)`
`00:29.39`	`Qwell[]`	`:p`
`00:29.51`	`Tekmaven`	`im about to format a dual proc machine i have`
`00:30.01`	`Tekmaven`	`install FC4 on it, and then the latest version of *`
`00:30.15`	`enzo123`	`can you guys bother each other in private ?`
`00:30.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : Yes, the LED line keys.`
`00:30.22`	`[av]bani`	`fender, leet, put up a wiki :)`
`00:30.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`for the SPA-941`
`00:30.24`	`justinu`	`enzo123: lol`
`00:30.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : nothing special, its all very clear in the manual...`
`00:30.53`	`[av]bani`	`made them show line status or something?`
`00:31.02`	`[av]bani`	`or just made them do the KITT effect :)`
`00:31.09`	`Tekmaven`	`:-D`
`00:31.16`	`Tekmaven`	`knight rider <3`
`00:31.22`	`[av]bani`	`<3`
`00:31.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : jsut that I didn't like the defaults. (solid green when idle, solid red during calls). I prefer the Polycom patterns by far so thats what I emulated.`
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`00:32.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : you can control how it uses the light in any given state, but you can't control the LED on a differnt line key than is being reported.`
`00:32.13`	`ManxPower`	`I send messages with the following words in the subject to /dev/null: .astcc., .theft., .gpl., .clueccon., .license., .help., .broadvoice., and many others`
`00:32.20`	`[av]bani`	`fender, blah`
`00:32.24`	`Qwell[]`	`Adelphia for teh win!`
`00:32.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`So if there is a call arriving on the 2nd line key, then thats the one whos activities you can control.`
`00:32.32`	`Qwell[]`	`Somebody is getting fired, I can smell it. :D`
`00:32.36`	`TheCops`	`[TK]D-Fender, hi :)`
`00:32.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : hiya`
`00:32.43`	`justinu`	`thecops`
`00:32.56`	`enzo123`	`lol i like the *help`
`00:32.57`	`Qwell[]`	`"If you would like to have the check sent`
`00:32.58`	`Qwell[]`	`overnight delivery I would be happy to arrange that as well. Please let`
`00:32.58`	`Qwell[]`	`me know. I have personally overseen that the check has been scheduled`
`00:32.58`	`Qwell[]`	`for processing. Once again, I would like apologize for our error any`
`00:33.00`	`TheCops`	`justinu, hi`
`00:33.02`	`ManxPower`	`oh and .g729. of ocurse.`
`00:33.03`	`Qwell[]`	`fuck...sorry`
`00:33.04`	`[av]bani`	`fender, does the spa-941 count an extension as a sip appearance?`
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`00:33.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : not sure I follow what you mean.`
`00:33.35`	`TheCops`	`[TK]D-Fender, how do you config ring volume on the phone ? I'm seraching in the admin guide but I dont find it`
`00:33.42`	`ManxPower`	`enzo123, if someone is too lazy to do a decent Subject: then I'm too lazy to help them.`
`00:33.42`	`enzo123`	`ManxPower you should do @HOME too`
`00:33.48`	`[av]bani`	`1001@phone:5060 1002@phone:5060 etc`
`00:33.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : On your IP 501?`
`00:33.54`	`TheCops`	`yup`
`00:34.02`	`ManxPower`	`enzo123, I'm sure I do for several varients of what people call it.`
`00:34.06`	`Qwell[]`	`bbl...sorry for the paste. it was supposed to be one line. :(`
`00:34.10`	`Tekmaven`	`ManxPower: and well, im having broadvoice problems :-P`
`00:34.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : its in your provisioning files. Read the admind guid and just search the PDF.`
`00:34.19`	`ManxPower`	`Tekmaven, Everyone does.`
`00:34.27`	`Tekmaven`	`i didnt for like 3 months`
`00:34.39`	`Tekmaven`	`and now all of a sudden, asterisk won't register with their sip`
`00:34.43`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`"volume" should come up only a few times. each is configurable for memory / default levels.`
`00:34.52`	`ManxPower`	`oh, I also filter out .newbie. and .top.post.*`
`00:35.05`	`[av]bani`	`eg, can i get a spa-941 with 2 sip appearances, and use all 4 buttons as 'lines' for incoming/outgoing calls to the same single * box`
`00:35.23`	`ManxPower`	`[av]bani, no.`
`00:35.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : Correct. I use 1 reg with all for line keys. So I can use it for 4 calls at a time.`
`00:35.36`	`[av]bani`	`cool`
`00:35.38`	`ManxPower`	`you get 2 sip appearances you use 2 buttons`
`00:35.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower : ummmm, nope.`
`00:35.54`	`ManxPower`	`[TK]D-Fender, is the phone licensed for 2 or 4 lines?`
`00:36.17`	`justinu`	`current level3 outage notice:`
`00:36.18`	`justinu`	`http://pastebin.ca/35340`
`00:36.32`	`twisted[asteria]`	`heh.`
`00:36.33`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`You dedicate a # of line keys per registration. if you have more thant 1 line key per reg, the other receive new calls and can be used to place new calls.`
`00:36.33`	`twisted[asteria]`	`dur.`
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`00:36.48`	`twisted[asteria]`	`justinu, i knew about that a lot earlier :P`
`00:36.55`	`justinu`	`i just got an email from them`
`00:36.55`	`ManxPower`	`on my SPA-841 I didn't even have the option in the web config to set up the 2nd two keys until I upgrqaded the license.`
`00:37.05`	`[av]bani`	`fender, so you really only need >1 reg for talking to >1 * box`
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`00:37.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower : 2 lines (regs), but current firmware allows you to use all 4 line keys mixed amongst the regs (2 or 4 depending)`
`00:37.13`	`twisted[asteria]`	`justinu, yeah, i just got the email`
`00:37.16`	`[av]bani`	`if youre only talking to 1 * pbx, you only need 1 reg`
`00:37.17`	`twisted[asteria]`	`but heh..`
`00:37.23`	`ManxPower`	`[TK]D-Fender, that much be new.`
`00:37.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : thats what I do. Also the same on my Polycom's at work.`
`00:37.39`	`[av]bani`	`cool`
`00:37.44`	`ManxPower`	`I use different regs per line key for many reasons.`
`00:37.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower : actually, not really. they changed the firmware from the pre-release to the release version I think.`
`00:37.57`	`Strom_C`	`my understanding of the cisco was that each line key had to be a different registration`
`00:38.04`	`ManxPower`	`mostly so I can control which line the call comes in.`
`00:38.05`	`Strom_C`	`maybe I'm wrong :)`
`00:38.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower : Yeah there are reasons to multi-reg a phone.`
`00:38.36`	`ManxPower`	`[TK]D-Fender, I was referring to the SPA-841. I assumed the 941 firmware worked similar.`
`00:38.36`	`groogs`	`ManxPower: i heard they were doing the same to the 841 .. 2 regs, but all 4 line keys .. for 4 regs you buy the upgrade`
`00:38.46`	`TheCops`	`[TK]D-Fender, duh, voice.volume.persist.chassis`
`00:38.50`	`justinu`	`twisted: how did you find out earlier?`
`00:38.57`	`justinu`	`got customers in columbus?`
`00:38.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower : no, the 941 is a giant leap over its predecessor`
`00:39.16`	`twisted[asteria]`	`justinu, i got customers everywhere ;)`
`00:39.18`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : All sorts of controllable levels & settings :)`
`00:39.19`	`twisted[asteria]`	`justinu, but yea`
`00:39.22`	`Strom_C`	`what do you guys think of the 941? I want to recommend it to my clients but I havent played with one yet`
`00:39.37`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, it does not support PoE and only has 1 ethernet port.`
`00:39.43`	`TheCops`	`[TK]D-Fender there's a lot of configuration with polycom`
`00:39.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Strom_C : I only recommend the 941 and Polycom's. Each for different reasons.`
`00:39.48`	`TheCops`	`many possibilities`
`00:39.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : Isn't it just sick? ;)`
`00:40.03`	`anonymouz666`	`The book Asterisk the Future of Telephony is very good`
`00:40.08`	`harryvv`	`how far back does asterisk keep cdr records?`
`00:40.15`	`groogs`	`i'm still not totally sold on this PoE thing anyways`
`00:40.19`	`justinu`	`i don't think we have anyone in columbus yet`
`00:40.27`	`harryvv`	`not totally sold?????`
`00:40.27`	`groogs`	`like $800 for 8 port PoE switch ...`
`00:40.32`	`[av]bani`	`fender, aside from construction, the gxp-2000 have any missing functionality?`
`00:40.34`	`ManxPower`	`groogs, I like the ability to do PoE`
`00:40.35`	`justinu`	`wrong`
`00:40.42`	`Strom_C`	`PoE is nice if you have the money to throw at it`
`00:40.42`	`justinu`	`linksys des-1526 is like 500`
`00:40.45`	`groogs`	`it's cheaper to put UPS's at every desk .. AND it protects the pc too`
`00:40.45`	`justinu`	`24 port PoE`
`00:40.46`	`harryvv`	`groogs where u get that number?`
`00:41.07`	`groogs`	`harryvv: out of my ass.. :) but they do seem very expensive`
`00:41.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Strom_C : If you don't need an extra eth port, PoE, etc and you want to save a few bucks, the 941 is a great phone. Otherwise I'd say go Polycom.`
`00:41.20`	`[av]bani`	`justiny -> WRONG! $400 http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=424`
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`00:41.27`	`justinu`	`heh, cool`
`00:41.29`	`[av]bani`	`<3`
`00:41.30`	`harryvv`	`groogs, Vancouvr international just upgraded its phone system with hundreds of cisco ip phones that is POE`
`00:41.47`	`Strom_C`	`[TK]D-Fender, how does the 941 compare to the cisco 7960 in terms of usability and build quality?`
`00:41.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`groogs : Very wrong! http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1205369&sku=D700-5264`
`00:41.51`	`harryvv`	`Imagine what that cost`
`00:41.51`	`ManxPower`	`We try to do PoE for the corporate employees (about %20 of the people in the company), but contractors (the other %80) are on their own.`
`00:41.52`	`harryvv`	`:)`
`00:42.10`	`groogs`	`ok :) these are better than the prices i saw before`
`00:42.17`	`ManxPower`	`heck, contractors have to provide their own computer`
`00:42.19`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Strom_C : The 941 is the same build quality. Thats the major flaw of the 841. the 941 is a baby-Cisco IMO`
`00:42.24`	`justinu`	`it seems like the DES1526 VLAN support sucks tho`
`00:42.25`	`ManxPower`	`groogs, PoE is coming down in price.`
`00:42.27`	`groogs`	`don't get me wrong .. i definately see the benefit`
`00:42.34`	`justinu`	`i can't get it to handle TAGGING right`
`00:42.47`	`ManxPower`	`We only use PoE injectors.`
`00:42.48`	`groogs`	`just when i first really evaluated switching to it (like 8 months ago) it wasn't worth the cost`
`00:43.02`	`Strom_C`	`[TK]D-Fender, awesome`
`00:43.09`	`ManxPower`	`We are standardizing on Cisco Cat 550x switches.`
`00:43.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower : I run my work off of 2 DES-1526's. Quite happy, but then again they're on a dedicated LAN.`
`00:43.14`	`groogs`	`i had a couple spare PoE adapters (from wireless AP installs) that I put on our reception phones ..`
`00:43.14`	`Strom_C`	`is it as easy to configure as the 7960?`
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`00:44.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Strom_C : I don't have that much experience in provisioning them, but having read the manual for it I'd say yes.`
`00:44.02`	`groogs`	`ManxPower: even those are stupidly expensive`
`00:44.04`	`groogs`	`for what they do`
`00:44.14`	`ManxPower`	`96 ports on a Cisco switch for under $1,200.`
`00:44.28`	`groogs`	`and i'm STILL not even sure if they do what I think they do (check if the device is PoE capable before powering it)`
`00:44.40`	`ManxPower`	`groogs, SO many people are replacing their 550x with newer stuff and sellig them on eBay`
`00:44.45`	`justinu`	`at least it has SNMP`
`00:44.53`	`groogs`	`ManxPower: i meant injectors`
`00:44.54`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`groogs : All 802.11af swithes auto-sense.`
`00:45.01`	`ManxPower`	`groogs, Yes, those are.`
`00:45.04`	`groogs`	`okay thats good`
`00:45.05`	`groogs`	`ManxPower: oh`
`00:45.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`OH, injectors... eek... dunno`
`00:45.41`	`Darkhalf`	`Howdy, I have vague asterisk questions that could be satisfied with vague answers.`
`00:45.48`	`harryvv`	`so for a office under 20 ports what would that cost per port for poe?`
`00:45.51`	`ManxPower`	`Darkhalf, 42`
`00:45.52`	`justinu`	`thanks lilo`
`00:45.59`	`justinu`	`no one gives a fuck`
`00:46.06`	`Darkhalf`	`ManxPower: Jesus, it worked. Thanks!`
`00:46.23`	`twisted[asteria]`	`justinu, then set mode -w`
`00:46.26`	`justinu`	`i know`
`00:46.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`harryvv : http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1205369&sku=D700-5264`
`00:46.31`	`justinu`	`just lazy`
`00:46.34`	`twisted[asteria]`	`lol`
`00:46.41`	`justinu`	`i'd rather complain, more fun`
`00:47.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Darkhalf : whats the question?`
`00:47.11`	`Darkhalf`	`But really, how would a beefy x86 machine with asterisk handle hosting and recording voicemails with custom messages scale?`
`00:47.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Darkhalf : how big are you planning?`
`00:47.31`	`groogs`	`[TK]D-Fender: plus the extra cost of phones that support PoE`
`00:47.32`	`Darkhalf`	`I'm curious if it can handle say, a hundred catalogged users? Five hundred thousands?`
`00:47.39`	`harryvv`	`thats a very good price`
`00:47.40`	`Darkhalf`	`(Not concurrently)`
`00:47.53`	`Darkhalf`	`Er, the first is a hundred thousand. I've been drinking a little.`
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`00:48.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`groogs : That too, but its part of the big picture so that you aren't buying extra powerbars, and can have them on a central UPS, etc.`
`00:48.31`	`justinu`	`how many simulatenous users?`
`00:48.37`	`TheCops`	`[TK]D-Fender, what is your ring type on your polycom ? did you download one`
`00:48.50`	`Darkhalf`	`That I can't predict. I'm hoping I could get some vague ideas about that as well.`
`00:49.05`	`Darkhalf`	`There'd be no transcoding, it'd be purely client to asterisk only.`
`00:49.08`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : I ripped off the Cisco "24" ring-tone :)`
`00:49.10`	`Darkhalf`	`I'd imagine.`
`00:49.10`	`ManxPower`	`Darkhalf, Get a quote from Cisco and Nortel for these requirements. Take the lower bid, reduce it by %50 and you have your budget for Asterisk computers, cards, and consulting fees.`
`00:49.17`	`justinu`	`use erlang fomula to compute peak traffic`
`00:49.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`and I have a collection of theme song ones :)`
`00:49.23`	`groogs`	`[TK]D-Fender: rofl. me too`
`00:49.36`	`Darkhalf`	`ManxPower: I'm not a consultant. I'm looking to bypass that crap.`
`00:49.57`	`justinu`	`where can I get that ringtone? :P`
`00:50.12`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`justinu : I could pass it to you.`
`00:50.18`	`justinu`	`that'd be cool`
`00:50.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`PM me an FTP account to dump it on for you.`
`00:50.33`	`groogs`	`http://www.google.ca/search?q=24+ringtone&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial`
`00:50.38`	`justinu`	`uhm, ftp...`
`00:50.49`	`Darkhalf`	`But no vague ideas about what asterisk will do with this many users?`
`00:50.49`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Don't make me e-mail it :)`
`00:50.55`	`justinu`	`dcc?`
`00:51.03`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`if you can support maybe`
`00:51.07`	`justinu`	`try it`
`00:51.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`lemme grab it (from work server)`
`00:51.12`	`groogs`	`justinu: ^^`
`00:51.19`	`ManxPower`	`Darkhalf, Digium says a Dual Xeon server can handle two 4-Port T-1 cards.`
`00:51.20`	`justinu`	`ahh`
`00:51.31`	`justinu`	`lemme try that`
`00:51.37`	`ManxPower`	`I would not put more than 1 4-port T-1 card.`
`00:51.40`	`Darkhalf`	`I suppose I left out that this is purely voip.`
`00:51.56`	`Tekmaven`	`bleh, dell sucks`
`00:52.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Darkhalf : what codec?`
`00:52.04`	`Darkhalf`	`SIP-based, no extra funky cards to terminate funky connections.`
`00:52.04`	`Tekmaven`	`i have this PowerEdge 1400 server, and it totally hates linux.`
`00:52.08`	`justinu`	`i've benchmarked a single xeon 3.0 out at at least 200 simultaenous G729 calls`
`00:52.12`	`harryvv`	`manx, know of a dell dual xeon server for sale minus ram and cpu.`
`00:52.24`	`justinu`	`pure sip`
`00:52.27`	`Strom_C`	`god, my users are idiots. I didn't put a second dial tone on "9" and then I got a dozen people panicking because "IT WON'T DIAL OUT!!"`
`00:52.36`	`justinu`	`people suck`
`00:52.38`	`justinu`	`lusers`
`00:52.38`	`harryvv`	`its in a small pc surplus store in puyallup. It looks fairly recent.`
`00:52.45`	`ManxPower`	`Darkhalf, I guess at that point you'd be limited by 1) network bandwidth 2) PCI bandwidth and 3) HD bandwidth`
`00:52.47`	`Darkhalf`	`justinu: A-ha. I can't recall what protocol I'd have to deal with, but will have to support a good deal of codecs.`
`00:53.10`	`harryvv`	`Strom, did you put instructions on the phones not to dial 9?`
`00:53.13`	`justinu`	`well, if you're not laying down your messages in the native format, you'll be transcoding :)`
`00:53.18`	`ManxPower`	`Darkhalf, But you should update your resume if you are planning on using an ITSP to catch the incoming calls.`
`00:53.25`	`Strom_C`	`harryvv, no, they're supposed to dial 9`
`00:53.25`	`Tekmaven`	`FC4 installs fine, the machine reboots, and it says "Grub stage 2" or something, and then nothing happens :-X`
`00:53.26`	`Darkhalf`	`ManxPower: Network isn't a problem, and the FSB's are all high.`
`00:53.53`	`Darkhalf`	`ManxPower: Fast u320 scsi drives.`
`00:53.54`	`Strom_C`	`the old PBX had a different tone on 9; this one didn't have any tone on 9. Why they wouldnt just keep dialing is beyond me`
`00:54.32`	`justinu`	`tekmaven: try CentOS 4.2`
`00:55.03`	`ManxPower`	`Darkhalf, The singles personals phone services are SO 1980s`
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`00:55.21`	`Darkhalf`	`My addidas can kick your ass. :\|`
`00:55.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`justinu : DCC incoming`
`00:55.36`	`Strom_C`	`singles personals over the phone? whatever happened to yelling at each other over a talkable busy signal? :D`
`00:55.38`	`justinu`	`i see it, but it doesn't look like it's gonna work`
`00:55.44`	`justinu`	`it's my side`
`00:55.47`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`PM and email addy`
`00:55.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`an*`
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`00:56.30`	`Darkhalf`	`justinu: So it sounds like the goal wouldn't be attainable beyond a few hundred concurrent users.`
`00:56.49`	`Darkhalf`	`Unless I normalized the codec.`
`00:57.13`	`justinu`	`that'd help, for sure`
`00:57.26`	`justinu`	`but, you know you can cluster them, right?`
`00:57.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`sent`
`00:58.02`	`justinu`	`got it, thanks`
`00:58.32`	`Darkhalf`	`Yes, but if it's going to take ten or twenty of them to handle this, I'm thinking of seeing if somethign like the sip express media server would work out better.`
`00:58.40`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Darkhalf : Even normalizing the codec you would be transcoding from the voicemail GSM's, etc.`
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`00:58.50`	`Darkhalf`	`Damn the transcoding.`
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`00:59.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Darkhalf : thats the trouble I guess...`
`00:59.19`	`ManxPower`	`Um, no. If your calls come in GSM and you only allow GSM in voicemail.conf you should not be transcoding`
`00:59.39`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower : yes, but he's talking G729`
`00:59.49`	`justinu`	`he can lay down vm in g729 too, can't he?`
`00:59.52`	`ManxPower`	`[TK]D-Fender, Oh! the evil codec.`
`00:59.59`	`illljay`	`Anybody ever had this problem only on outbound calling w/ NuFone? Its been stumping me for days now:`
`00:59.59`	`illljay`	`WARNING[2304]: chan_iax2.c:5566 socket_read: -- Call rejected by 66.225.202.72: No authority found IAX2/NuFone/4 is circuit-busy`
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`01:00.14`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Though that'd only be the prompts. He could record the VM's themselves as G729`
`01:00.19`	`ManxPower`	`I don't know if you can save voicemails in G729 format, but if you can't, it should not be too hard to write a patch`
`01:00.19`	`Strom_C`	`GSM is as evil as G.729, but in a different way`
`01:00.30`	`Strom_C`	`ulaw ulaw ulaw!`
`01:00.31`	`justinu`	`he can transcode the prompts to 729 also`
`01:00.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`GSM is a great option for a lot of stuff.`
`01:00.41`	`TheCops`	`[TK]D-Fender could you send me the wav for your ring ?!`
`01:00.48`	`justinu`	`lol`
`01:01.00`	`Darkhalf`	`But I'm running out of room. :\|`
`01:01.04`	`ManxPower`	`What is the show 24 about anyway?`
`01:01.07`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : DCC incoming`
`01:01.17`	`Strom_C`	`it's about people who use cisco ip phones`
`01:01.24`	`justinu`	`a fictional counter terrorism unit`
`01:01.24`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower : what Strom_C said!`
`01:01.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`;)`
`01:01.27`	`Strom_C`	`that's about as much as I've been able to figure out`
`01:01.33`	`TheCops`	`[TK]D-Fender, you are behind NAT ?`
`01:01.34`	`justinu`	`lol`
`01:01.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : yup`
`01:01.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : PM me an e-mail addy`
`01:01.58`	`TheCops`	`Thanks [TK]D-Fender`
`01:02.03`	`ManxPower`	`EEK!!!!!`
`01:02.14`	`*** part/#asterisk twisty7867 (n=twisty78@adsl-gte-la-216-86-203-111.mminternet.com)`
`01:02.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Very private!`
`01:02.48`	`ManxPower`	`I just realized I'm NOT behind NAT and forgot to re-enable my "firewall"`
`01:03.13`	`*** join/#asterisk iq (n=IQ@71-38-76-130.omah.qwest.net)`
`01:03.21`	`Darkhalf`	`Well, I'm glad I got some vague answers to my vague questions. I'm going to go back to lurking now.`
`01:03.24`	`Darkhalf`	`Muchos tacos.`
`01:04.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`taco... GRANDE.....`
`01:04.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : sent`
`01:04.41`	`Strom_C`	`taco pescado`
`01:04.58`	`TheCops`	`lol you're email arrived in my junk section of MS Oultook`
`01:05.01`	`TheCops`	`outlook, sorry`
`01:05.02`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`:p`
`01:05.11`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`MS OutHouse....`
`01:05.18`	`TheCops`	`lol`
`01:05.25`	`[av]bani`	`fender, besides xml is the 941 missing any major functionality the polycom has?`
`01:05.33`	`*** join/#asterisk Junaid (n=Junaid@host180-224-dsl.dols.net.pk)`
`01:05.54`	`LostFrog`	`ok.. I am having real problems..`
`01:05.56`	`LostFrog`	`:(`
`01:07.15`	`justinu`	`what's up?`
`01:07.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : doesn't have the extra Eth port, no PoE possible (extra $ needed on the on the 301/501), no idle image on screen.`
`01:07.23`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`(501/601)`
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`01:07.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : I consider the 941 & 501 near par on each other, but the 501 costs a bit more, but you get a bit more for it.`
`01:08.16`	`TheCops`	`[TK]D-Fender, you can only use remote ringer on polycom ? I mean, via HTTP or something`
`01:08.18`	`[av]bani`	`why s it so hard for them to release a 942....`
`01:08.33`	`justinu`	`can't compete with the 7960s, yo`
`01:08.34`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : its a toss-up. If you were looking at a bigger deployment I'd say go Polycom. If you want a nice phone for home I'd say SPA`
`01:08.37`	`LostFrog`	`Same problem that is listed on asterisk_guru for debian.`
`01:09.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : I provision mine. Not sure if it keeps it in memory if the provisioning server goes down...`
`01:09.18`	`iq`	`hi all`
`01:09.22`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`what justinu said...`
`01:10.11`	`[av]bani`	`fender, what you use for fxo... or are you all digital`
`01:10.20`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`The 941 is nearly in a class to say "forget Cisco" (the 79xx series).`
`01:10.45`	`justinu`	`Level 3 underlying carrier is experiencing an OC 48 outage. Root cause has been isolated to OC192 down on underlying carriers network. They are working to restore`
`01:10.49`	`justinu`	`OC192 outage? ouch.`
`01:11.01`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : I'm all Polycom / Sangoma at work, and all Sipura at home. I'm on an SPA-3000 for FXS at home now. I used to own a TDM22B`
`01:11.05`	`LostFrog`	`Sounds expensive.`
`01:11.08`	`[av]bani`	`say hello to mr. beer and mr. backhoe`
`01:11.15`	`justinu`	`lol`
`01:11.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`I also trunk from my work PRI back to home through SIP.`
`01:11.29`	`Strom_C`	`I think it's the "DAHHHH, I'M A SWITCHMAN DAAAHHH" problem`
`01:11.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`my home line has a busy/no-answer transfer that forwards to a DID at work which gets routed through SIP right back home.`
`01:11.59`	`dogtanian`	`i'm having some real problems with getting a full-duplex SIP trunk through my NAT firewall`
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`01:12.01`	`justinu`	`facilities that big usually aren't touch by the switch group`
`01:12.15`	`Strom_C`	`yes, I know. it was a joke.`
`01:12.20`	`[av]bani`	`guess their oc192 wasnt as redundant as they claimed it was`
`01:12.24`	`mogorman`	`bye`
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`01:13.41`	`[av]bani`	`fender, hows the spkphone quality 941 vs 501?`
`01:14.02`	`[av]bani`	`and does the 941 have any echo issues`
`01:14.17`	`pifiu`	`which is hte 941?`
`01:14.22`	`pifiu`	`and who's 192 is out? where?`
`01:14.36`	`[av]bani`	`over there`
`01:14.36`	`justinu`	`level3's telco, i guess`
`01:14.44`	`justinu`	`columbus ohio`
`01:14.51`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : Crystal clear.`
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`01:15.35`	`QbY`	`Does anyone know if you can use Authenticate() without the canned prompt?`
`01:15.35`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : I think the Polycom's speakerphone is a bit better. The 941 is crisp, perhaps too much at higher volumes, but its decent. Good full-duplex though`
`01:15.37`	`jack\|ass`	`Does anyone know if a Dialogic D/4 will work in linux?`
`01:16.04`	`Corydon76-home`	`Only if you buy the drivers from Dialogic`
`01:16.15`	`benjk`	`works with Bayonne`
`01:16.18`	`jack\|ass`	`Corydon76-home: i have to buy the drivers?`
`01:16.23`	`Corydon76-home`	`However, it may still not work with Asterisk`
`01:16.31`	`[av]bani`	`fender, good to know`
`01:16.45`	`Corydon76-home`	`Yep, that's the rub about buying Dialogic hardware... the drivers are extra`
`01:16.54`	`jack\|ass`	`Corydon76-home: well i'm trying to get it to work with vgetty. #linux folk suggested asking in here.`
`01:16.54`	`benjk`	`http://www.gnutelephony.org`
`01:17.08`	`jack\|ass`	`Corydon76-home: bah, that's rediculous of them.`
`01:17.18`	`Corydon76-home`	`Ditto for Cisco hardware. You have to pay extra for the firmware`
`01:17.28`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : Polycom's are more mid-range, and very smooth. I hear that Cisco is currently the best rated (on a desk phone), but I wouldn't buy one for it :)`
`01:18.02`	`jack\|ass`	`Corydon76-home: even for the low end? I thought i had seen a downloadable redhat driver from intel's website.`
`01:18.08`	`xkev`	`I am a polycom fan, 601s all around`
`01:18.27`	`pifiu`	`fender can you send me that file with polycom ringtones`
`01:18.30`	`Ariel_`	`Polycom,,,,,`
`01:18.39`	`justinu`	`lol, what have I done?`
`01:18.52`	`pifiu`	`hey ariel!`
`01:18.59`	`Corydon76-home`	`jack\|ass: for doing what, though?`
`01:19.03`	`[av]bani`	`fender well, cisco is >2x as expensive, but somehow i doubt they are >2x better`
`01:19.16`	`jack\|ass`	`Corydon76-home: ugh, now that i look more closely, it does say i need an SLA. :(`
`01:19.24`	`Strom_C`	`I <3 my cisco 7960s`
`01:19.30`	`xkev`	`sox infile.wav -r 8000 -U -c 1 outfile.wav <- polycom ringtone, done.`
`01:19.32`	`Ariel_`	`cisco's are good phones. But I love my polycom better`
`01:19.40`	`[av]bani`	`:o`
`01:19.46`	`pifiu`	`and firmware updates on ciscos can be hell`
`01:19.50`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : not quite so bad, but Polycom seems to beat Cisco for price / features ratio. Wins every time...`
`01:19.54`	`pifiu`	`hey ariel`
`01:19.57`	`Ariel_`	`pifiu, your correct hell.`
`01:20.03`	`xkev`	`polycom has some annoying bugs they've never fixed too`
`01:20.04`	`pifiu`	`its jp from miami`
`01:20.11`	`pifiu`	`what what what`
`01:20.12`	`xkev`	`not prevalent, but still there`
`01:20.14`	`LostFrog`	`All I want is a debian asterisk installation, is that too much to ask for?`
`01:20.16`	`pifiu`	`noooo their latest release is reallly good`
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`01:20.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`xkev : an imperfect world. I jsut feel that Polycom has the best balance for business phones.`
`01:20.30`	`pifiu`	`xkev like what problems?`
`01:20.38`	`Ariel_`	`pifiu, how are?`
`01:20.42`	`xkev`	`I am on latest now, presence behavior went back to 1.4.x, but random too`
`01:20.47`	`Ariel_`	`you`
`01:20.55`	`Ariel_`	`argh U-M game has my view....`
`01:20.57`	`xkev`	`like picking up the phone changes back to 'online' rather than previous setting`
`01:21.01`	`pifiu`	`lol`
`01:21.07`	`pifiu`	`im doing good yourself?`
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`01:21.16`	`xkev`	`headset sidetone doesn't go away when blind transferring`
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`01:21.20`	`[av]bani`	`anyone used pa168(8) phones?`
`01:21.24`	`xkev`	`(though haven't tested if that's fixed yet)`
`01:21.26`	`trym_`	`why might I be getting 403 forbidden over contact limit ?`
`01:21.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pa168(8) = cheap junk`
`01:21.42`	`pifiu`	`xkev, i rather take the polycom over the cisco, but its a personal choice. I just find managing cisco phones in a business enviroment without cisco call manager a major pita`
`01:21.46`	`xkev`	`depending on some very random to reproduce condition, a voicemail notice may cause the phone to start ringing forever`
`01:21.53`	`xkev`	`but I'd still rather take polycom`
`01:21.55`	`pifiu`	`fender can you send me that zip file of rings?`
`01:22.13`	`xkev`	`I use sql tables and config generation scripts in perl. it works well.`
`01:22.15`	`[av]bani`	`fender, nobodys built a decent pa168(8)?`
`01:22.26`	`[av]bani`	`its nice you can hack them :)`
`01:22.27`	`pifiu`	`i guess`
`01:22.37`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`xkev : I've had things like putting a voicemail call on hold go "sticky" etc as well... but I'd still never trade them in :)`
`01:22.37`	`ManxPowe`	`I wish I could find some decent ringtones -- like ones that actually RING.`
`01:22.47`	`pifiu`	`just too complicated imo for an average user`
`01:22.49`	`Corydon76-home`	`jack\|ass: which D/4 board, anyway?`
`01:22.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : not that I've seen. While cheap, so is the quality of the phones built on it.`
`01:23.07`	`xkev`	`manx, I have an old bellringer phone tone`
`01:23.09`	`jack\|ass`	`Corydon76-home: um... the voice/fax one, i believe.`
`01:23.16`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pifiu : guess your "average" sucks...`
`01:23.21`	`xkev`	`and plenty of video game tones, etc.`
`01:23.24`	`Corydon76-home`	`jack\|ass: note that a large portion of Dialogic boards are only half-duplex`
`01:23.32`	`pifiu`	`i guess fender ={`
`01:23.33`	`xkev`	`like pacman dies, etc`
`01:23.41`	`jack\|ass`	`Corydon76-home: this is for use in an aswering machine.`
`01:23.41`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPowe : Sample some then!`
`01:23.44`	`jack\|ass`	`voicemail system`
`01:23.44`	`[av]bani`	`fender, i guess as a programmer i feel some security in the fact i can program it to do what it want even if the vendor won't.`
`01:23.45`	`Corydon76-home`	`jack\|ass: the D/41JCT-LS ?`
`01:23.56`	`[av]bani`	`so if someone built decent hardware around a pa168(8) that would be ideal`
`01:23.57`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPowe : I think I'm going to rip off my old 50's Bell ring...`
`01:24.06`	`ManxPowe`	`jack\|ass, Digium lists the Digium boards that you can purchase Asterisk compatable drivers for at $10/channel`
`01:24.10`	`Corydon76-home`	`jack\|ass: half duplex doesn't work too hot for voice applications`
`01:24.25`	`xkev`	`ulaw-ring.wav <-done/done`
`01:24.28`	`Corydon76-home`	`http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=hcl`
`01:24.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : true, but keep in mind you don't want to spend forever trying to tun a shit phonne into something decent. Also their feature set blows.`
`01:24.50`	`Corydon76-home`	`That page lists all Dialogic equipment supported`
`01:25.03`	`jack\|ass`	`Corydon76-home: that might be it... I don't have it in front of me (it's 30 miles away. :))`
`01:25.33`	`ManxPowe`	`Just remember, jack\|ass, if you go with Dialogic nobody on this channel or the mailing lists will be able to help you with problems.`
`01:25.40`	`Corydon76-home`	`jack\|ass: Like I said, if it's a half-duplex card, your best bet is to ebay it and buy a Digium card`
`01:25.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : An ideal which won't likely be realized. the firmware just doesn't support ANY of the nice stuff like pixel LCD screens, extra codecs, etc...`
`01:25.50`	`jack\|ass`	`ManxPowe: my choice on it was because we already had it.`
`01:25.54`	`TheCops`	`[TK]D-Fender, Each time I reboot the volume of the ringer come back to low`
`01:26.20`	`ManxPowe`	`jack\|ass, you could prolly eBay it and get enough money to buy a Digium or Sangoma board`
`01:26.26`	`TheCops`	`very weird`
`01:26.41`	`ManxPowe`	`TheCops, polycom? Not weird. It's documented.`
`01:26.46`	`[av]bani`	`fender, they hacked in iax and other support... i dont really care about anything except 711 myself`
`01:26.53`	`ManxPowe`	`As well as documented how to make it stick`
`01:27.06`	`TheCops`	`ManxPowe, that's what I'm searching since 1 hours :p`
`01:27.15`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : look for the "volume.persist" family of features in sip.cfg`
`01:27.16`	`ManxPowe`	`TheCops, the admin manual`
`01:27.22`	`TheCops`	`I know`
`01:27.29`	`TheCops`	`[TK]D-Fender, yeah, I set to 1`
`01:27.49`	`jack\|ass`	`ManxPowe: i'll keep that in mind.`
`01:27.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`TheCops : there are multiple....`
`01:28.44`	`TheCops`	`voice.volume.persist.chassis="1"`
`01:28.47`	`ManxPowe`	`handset volume persist, headset volume persist, chassis ringer volume presist, etc`
`01:29.07`	`ManxPowe`	`TheCops, did you confirm the phone actually downloaded the updated file?`
`01:29.11`	`mrdigital`	`anyone here good with sql in *?`
`01:29.50`	`TheCops`	`ManxPowe, let me verify it`
`01:30.39`	`Corydon76-home`	`mrdigital: I highly recommend using func_odbc in trunk`
`01:30.56`	`mrdigital`	`Corydon76-home: can i pm what i have to you?`
`01:30.59`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pifiu : PM`
`01:31.05`	`Corydon76-home`	`mrdigital: NO`
`01:31.13`	`mrdigital`	`ok`
`01:31.19`	`Corydon76-home`	`~pb`
`01:31.21`	`jbot`	`methinks pb is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca`
`01:31.21`	`justinu`	`lol`
`01:31.21`	`[av]bani`	`fender, too bad linksys wont do something like the wrt54gl`
`01:31.25`	`[av]bani`	`with a phone`
`01:31.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : the GL actually got bad reviews... the earlier revision had more ram and were more functional :)`
`01:32.29`	`justinu`	`there is no voice.volume.persist.chassis in my book`
`01:32.31`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`[av]bani : Who know what'll come next. I jsut keep waiting for the next thing to hit the market...`
`01:32.35`	`justinu`	`is it something new in 1.6.3?`
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`01:32.56`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`justinu : they can all be set as "sticky" going back to 1.5.x`
`01:33.04`	`mrdigital`	`Corydon76-home: http://pastebin.com/484877`
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`01:33.21`	`[av]bani`	`i guess spa-941 is a step in the right direction, as long as cisco doesnt terminate it with extreme prejudice for eating into 76xx sales`
`01:33.36`	`xkev`	`voice.volume.persist.headset="1" voice.volume.persist.handset="1" to persist handset/headset. speakerphone is already set to persist.`
`01:33.53`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`there is one for RING as well IIRC...`
`01:34.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Ok, well I've got to be off for the night. later all.`
`01:34.18`	`[av]bani`	`^-^/~`
`01:34.32`	`Corydon76-home`	`mrdigital: why are you using backslashes?`
`01:34.45`	`Corydon76-home`	`or backticks, rather?`
`01:34.47`	`justinu`	`voice.gain.rx.analog.ringer maybe?`
`01:34.54`	`VoIPMasta`	`Does anyone know if a call is recoreded in the CDR if it's started using the Dial application from within an AGI script?`
`01:35.44`	`Corydon76-home`	`mrdigital: and I would highly recommend using func_odbc in trunk. It's fully compatible with 1.2`
`01:36.58`	`Qwell`	`Corydon76-home: You get my email earlier? ;)`
`01:37.05`	`Corydon76-home`	`Qwell: yes`
`01:37.29`	`mrdigital`	`can you explain me func_odbc?`
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`01:38.28`	`Corydon76-home`	`No, but you can read the configs/func_odbc.conf.sample`
`01:38.45`	`Qwell`	`Corydon76-home: is that insane, or what?`
`01:38.55`	`TheCops`	`ManxPowe, err my girlfriend did a modification via the phone, I rebooted the phone so the new config was uploaded on ftp, and he was using all the time this config by default`
`01:39.08`	`Corydon76-home`	`Qwell: No, that's sick. You're insane. ;-)`
`01:39.08`	`TheCops`	`so all modification I did was not effective`
`01:39.14`	`Qwell`	`same thing :p`
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`01:43.06`	`ManxPowe`	`TheCops, Ah`
`01:43.49`	`TheCops`	`ManxPowe, I'm not very familiar with this kind of phone.. I got it yestearday`
`01:44.26`	`ManxPowe`	`TheCops, The more you use it the less you'll hate it. Eventually you'll grow to love it, leave your wife, and marry it.`
`01:45.47`	`TheCops`	`lol`
`01:46.33`	`TheCops`	`I'm already married with asterisk, she hate this software :P`
`01:47.30`	`ManxPowe`	`grumble Looks like I'll have to make /var be 1GB in my installs from now on`
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`01:50.31`	`justinu`	`are those things that go on the claws?`
`01:50.40`	`_Sam--`	`can anyone recommend a good ~100ish case to build a solid state system in?`
`01:50.49`	`_Sam--`	`~100ish dollars i meant`
`01:51.05`	`[av]bani`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5846258648`
`01:51.15`	`[av]bani`	`the seller wont tell me who the vendor is ...`
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`01:51.33`	`TheCops`	`ManxPowe, hrmm, Now I keep the volume ringer, but when I reboot, it come back to low`
`01:51.34`	`TheCops`	`weird`
`01:51.45`	`_Sam--`	`you would want to put your phone system in the hands of a no name brand bought from ebay?`
`01:51.49`	`justinu`	`yeah, i have the same problem with my 601, cops`
`01:51.51`	`_Sam--`	`even if it had the brand name`
`01:51.57`	`TheCops`	`justinu, this is a 501`
`01:52.42`	`ManxPowe`	`the change it on the FTP server, then do a factory reset press and hold 468* until the display asks for a password, use "456" as the password and be sure to press the OK (or Enter) softkey`
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`01:53.27`	`ManxPowe`	`then watch the FTP server logs to make SURE the phone downloads it's config`
`01:53.46`	`TheCops`	`I did a factory default`
`01:53.46`	`_Sam--`	`[av]bani: when you get an external fxo let me know how it works`
`01:53.51`	`_Sam--`	`are you actually going to get one?`
`01:53.55`	`TheCops`	`what's the 468* tips ?`
`01:54.19`	`ManxPowe`	`468* does the factory reset. I didn't know you could do it via the menu`
`01:54.39`	`TheCops`	`yeah you can`
`01:54.46`	`TheCops`	`anyway`
`01:55.01`	`TheCops`	`I think this is a bug, if I can validate justinu said`
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`01:55.52`	`ManxPowe`	`TheCops, I MAY have had the same problem. What I did was just change the default ringer volume to what most people wanted. We dont reboot the phones very often anyway`
`01:56.45`	`TheCops`	`ManxPowe, where can you change the default ringer volume ? I search in the admin guide...but nothing :/`
`01:56.58`	`TheCops`	`I'm about testing voice.gain stuff`
`01:58.35`	`ManxPowe`	`TheCops, it's in the admin guide somewhere`
`01:59.01`	`ManxPowe`	`It was 6-months ago when I set up the phone.`
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`02:02.03`	`TheCops`	`ManxPowe, can you copy/past your config ?`
`02:02.13`	`ManxPowe`	`TheCops, no.`
`02:02.23`	`TheCops`	`ok hehe`
`02:02.48`	`ManxPowe`	`Remind me after Jan 2 and I'll work on posting my EXACT configs without the actual IP addresses in it.`
`02:03.05`	`ManxPowe`	`But I can't tell you WHICH option it is. I set all the global stuff in sip.conf, etc.`
`02:03.27`	`ManxPowe`	`I guess I should go see if they have a campfire going.`
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`02:09.02`	`pifiu`	`did anyone get the files from fender?`
`02:09.05`	`pifiu`	`the ringtones?`
`02:09.10`	`TheCops`	`of cisco ?`
`02:10.41`	`pifiu`	`whichever`
`02:10.47`	`pifiu`	`he said i think he ripped them from cisco`
`02:10.52`	`pifiu`	`but it would be for the polycoms`
`02:11.00`	`pifiu`	`i assume they are polycom compatible since hes such a poly whore`
`02:11.06`	`pifiu`	`did he send them to you?`
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`02:14.57`	`RoyK`	`ohmygods`
`02:15.33`	`benjk`	`RoyK, you can call us by our nicknames or first names`
`02:15.56`	`RoyK`	`someone really had to ask on http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=5207 if "setting priority on asterisk processes really affects asterisk performance"`
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`02:17.25`	`SarahEmm`	`hihi`
`02:17.59`	`Qwell`	`ack, it's the kitrich...RUN!`
`02:18.09`	`RoyK`	`they're coming to take me away, haha`
`02:18.17`	`SarahEmm`	`hehee`
`02:18.23`	`SarahEmm`	`ltns qwell :)`
`02:19.23`	`RoyK`	`They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!`
`02:19.23`	`RoyK`	`They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa`
`02:19.23`	`RoyK`	`To the funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be`
`02:19.23`	`RoyK`	`happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're`
`02:19.23`	`RoyK`	`coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!!!`
`02:19.26`	`Tekmaven`	`does the standard asterisk gzip contain everything i need to compile/use asterisk? or do i need to get the stuff like zaptel, etc`
`02:19.52`	`benjk`	`RoyK: I hope this isn't contagious`
`02:19.53`	`SarahEmm`	`what hardware are you using asterisk with?`
`02:20.06`	`RoyK`	`HAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA`
`02:20.17`	`RoyK`	`Tekmaven: you need to compile it, yes`
`02:20.24`	`Tekmaven`	`not what im asking`
`02:20.29`	`Tekmaven`	`does it come with zaptel, etc?`
`02:20.34`	`Tekmaven`	`or do i need to download that seperately/`
`02:21.38`	`trym`	`now.. 403 forbidden.. over contact limit`
`02:21.45`	`trym`	`what the hell is that supposed to mean..`
`02:21.52`	`trym`	`first contestant.. royk`
`02:22.13`	`Qwell`	`Tekmaven: You need to download it also`
`02:22.13`	`SarahEmm`	`Tekmaven: last i checked, seperately.`
`02:23.02`	`RoyK`	`trym: perca fluviatilis er jo som kjent Abbor`
`02:23.10`	`trym`	`where have perca fluviatilis been all my life`
`02:23.12`	`trym`	`has`
`02:23.22`	`trym`	`Abbor ja.. mm`
`02:23.36`	`RoyK`	`rutilus rutilus er jo som kjent Mort`
`02:23.43`	`RoyK`	`et cetera`
`02:23.55`	`trym`	`glad jeg n� kan noen latinske navn p� fisk ;)`
`02:24.16`	`trym`	`blir enklere neste gang jeg skal handle ;)`
`02:24.28`	`trym`	`kveitefitte`
`02:24.49`	`RoyK`	`aure, evt`
`02:25.45`	`TheCops`	`pifiu`
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`02:25.50`	`TheCops`	`pifiu, I have it`
`02:25.58`	`TheCops`	`give me your email addy and I'll send it to you`
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`02:27.13`	`SarahEmm`	`anyone here ever touched the insides of fskmodem.c?`
`02:28.54`	`SarahEmm`	`crickets`
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`02:29.15`	`greenfrenum`	`indeed`
`02:29.56`	`SarahEmm`	`i'm still finding issues with *'s TTY support... looks like issues in the actual modem code now... i get the first ~20chars fine, then it gets trashed...`
`02:30.01`	`SarahEmm`	`that's pretty icky code for me tho heh.`
`02:30.17`	`BugKham`	`does the Dial(Zap/1/${EXTEN}) have return status?`
`02:30.45`	`Qwell`	`BugKham: DIALSTATUS`
`02:30.49`	`Qwell`	`show application dial`
`02:31.04`	`firestrm`	`does anyone know what this means Call rejected by 66.225.202.72: No authority found. oh what steps i should take to look into it further?`
`02:31.20`	`BugKham`	`Qwell: thanks`
`02:32.14`	`firestrm`	`everything was running stable for over a year, them wammo, i get this..`
`02:33.04`	`SarahEmm`	`have you talked to whoever is 66.225.202.72?`
`02:33.59`	`firestrm`	`SarahEmm, nufone? yes, jerjer checked my account, it was ok, it then started working again for about 3 days, now its down again`
`02:34.39`	`firestrm`	`im just trying to figure out where its braking down before i go accuse nufone..`
`02:35.53`	`SarahEmm`	`you've changed nothing on your end? no configfile changes, no * upgrades?`
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`02:39.16`	`Qwell`	`and you've got enough money on the account to cover a long call?`
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`02:46.29`	`mogorman`	`whats up my friends`
`02:46.30`	`Qwell`	`ooohhhhh mog....where are you?`
`02:46.33`	`Qwell`	`oh, there you are :p`
`02:47.06`	`mogorman`	`heh`
`02:47.09`	`mogorman`	`i am there`
`02:47.10`	`mogorman`	`and here`
`02:53.42`	`mogorman`	`hey anyone around want to do an expirement for old mog?`
`02:53.52`	`Qwell`	`depends`
`02:54.03`	`Qwell`	`What do I need to expire?`
`02:54.19`	`mogorman`	`i want someone to monitor a call for 10 or 15 minutes in pcm format`
`02:54.29`	`mogorman`	`and then convert it to gsm`
`02:54.32`	`Qwell`	`Monitor()?`
`02:54.35`	`mogorman`	`and tell me if there are pops in it`
`02:54.35`	`mogorman`	`yeah`
`02:54.57`	`mogorman`	`monitor(pcm,favorformog`
`02:54.58`	`Qwell`	`would if I had more time tonight..`
`02:55.05`	`mogorman`	`heh`
`02:55.07`	`mogorman`	`no worries`
`02:55.09`	`pifiu`	`anyone else have some cool ring tones for polycoms?`
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`02:55.51`	`firestrm`	`heh.. jerjer (master jedi) fixed problem :)`
`02:56.04`	`mogorman`	`yay`
`02:56.26`	`SarahEmm`	`what was the issue?`
`02:58.10`	`firestrm`	`SarahEmm, im not sure, he looked at my account and bang, it was working.. he told me he changed nothing, so he must have used "the force"`
`02:58.31`	`Qwell`	`firestrm: yeah, JerJer does that sometimes`
`02:58.39`	`Qwell`	`just kinda...wills things working`
`02:59.00`	`firestrm`	`Qwell jerjer= master jedi :) and great service too`
`02:59.40`	`firestrm`	`Qwell, now if only he could sell me a DID in my area code.. all would be great!`
`02:59.54`	`Qwell`	`oh, he COULD sell you one...`
`03:00.00`	`Qwell`	`but then he'd have to kill you`
`03:00.03`	`firestrm`	`lol`
`03:00.20`	`firestrm`	`TELLUS is killing me.. so whats the diff?`
`03:01.05`	`SarahEmm`	`what area code firestrm?`
`03:01.12`	`firestrm`	`250 victoria`
`03:01.26`	`SarahEmm`	`ahh`
`03:01.56`	`tzanger`	`SarahEmm: following me around again?`
`03:02.11`	`firestrm`	`i did come across a company that would sell me one for somthing like $5.00/mo + .001/ min.. but i lost the link (computer crash)`
`03:02.26`	`tzanger`	`probably a number of htem`
`03:02.31`	`tzanger`	`250 would be fairly popular`
`03:02.44`	`Qwell`	`.1c/min?`
`03:02.55`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, lots but all want to sell me a package..`
`03:03.00`	`SarahEmm`	`tzanger: heh nope`
`03:03.04`	`tzanger`	`I tend to stay away from the cheapest of the cheap`
`03:03.16`	`tzanger`	`unlimitel.ca is 1.1c/min which is plenty low for my use`
`03:03.39`	`tzanger`	`nufone's us1.95c/min for termination... again plenty low for what I use`
`03:03.57`	`tzanger`	`and I can get better rates if I can committ to some ungodly number of minutes per month`
`03:04.05`	`tzanger`	`I think I use tha tmany minutes in 6 months at current usage :-)`
`03:04.24`	`Qwell`	`tzanger: Just use 6 times as much, so you can get the good rate`
`03:04.30`	`tzanger`	`Qwell: hehe`
`03:05.21`	`tzanger`	`kind of misses the point of cheap rates :-)`
`03:05.25`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, will unlimitel.ca sell just the did, or is it bundled with long distance?`
`03:05.33`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: just the did`
`03:05.42`	`tzanger`	`you get ld in it, but if you don't use it, it doesn't cost you anything`
`03:05.55`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, AWESOME.. hows their quality?`
`03:06.00`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: excellent`
`03:06.13`	`tzanger`	`they are they only provider I have ever come across in the last 2.5 years that is proactive`
`03:06.27`	`tzanger`	`planned outages and changes are announced well before they happen`
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`03:06.47`	`tzanger`	`unplanned outages are explained (or at least good stories told) -- I tend to believe these guys though`
`03:06.56`	`tzanger`	`email support is generally within 24h`
`03:07.18`	`tzanger`	`support's also pretty friendly and the accounting dept is too`
`03:07.38`	`Qwell`	`Vonage used to have good email support`
`03:07.43`	`Qwell`	`I saw it first hand`
`03:07.46`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, works for me :).. my roommate is moving out, and its his landline, but i'll be dammed if im going to do business with telus..`
`03:07.49`	`tzanger`	`their on-net termination is 1.1c/min (CAD) but their off-net rates are too high for me to use for anything but emergency`
`03:07.54`	`tzanger`	`my PRI LD rates are almost cheaper`
`03:07.58`	`Strom_C`	`here's a dumb question: am I supposed to see all my PRI's B-channels randomly restarting?`
`03:08.03`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: hehe`
`03:08.10`	`tzanger`	`Strom_C: they aren't randomly restarting`
`03:08.15`	`tzanger`	`every 60 minutes you will see it by default`
`03:08.30`	`tzanger`	`you can change or disable it in the zapata.conf, where it's documented`
`03:09.08`	`tzanger`	`what I would like to know, Strom_C, is you are able to send caller ID # out your PRI, and who the carrier is`
`03:09.22`	`tzanger`	`I used ot be able to but I'm working on an issue where that's stopped within the last month or so`
`03:09.29`	`Strom_C`	`ah. god bless AMP for taking all the documentation out of the configuration files. last time I ever let the client specify AMP :/`
`03:09.35`	`firestrm`	`tzanger. ohhh they also do colo.. well then this is interesting..`
`03:09.49`	`Strom_C`	`tzanger, I certainly am. The carrier is SBC California`
`03:10.07`	`file`	`Strommy Boy!`
`03:10.10`	`tzanger`	`working with digium on it too, we have verified the telco is receiving the IE correctly, so current guess is that the DMS100 got a software update recently`
`03:10.18`	`Strom_C`	`file!`
`03:10.27`	`tzanger`	`as we're seeing this on more than one switch and in antoher country even`
`03:10.29`	`Strom_C`	`tzanger, what kind of signaling does your PRI use? who is your telco?`
`03:10.35`	`tzanger`	`ni2, bell canada`
`03:10.42`	`tzanger`	`worked for 2.5 years`
`03:10.48`	`Strom_C`	`odd`
`03:10.51`	`tzanger`	`yeah`
`03:11.04`	`tzanger`	`I'm not the only one who's seeing this and it broke for both of us around the same time`
`03:11.15`	`tzanger`	`we're both on DMS100s`
`03:11.18`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, but they DONT do 250 Victoria.. cry.sob.. it was looking soo good..`
`03:11.25`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: damn`
`03:11.33`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: stay away from sixtel/iax.cc`
`03:11.45`	`firestrm`	`ya ive heard..`
`03:11.49`	`tzanger`	`everything I said about unlimitel is opposite`
`03:11.55`	`tzanger`	`with iax.cc`
`03:12.10`	`file`	`this pepsi is burning my tongue`
`03:12.11`	`firestrm`	`ive read the forum horror stories..`
`03:12.14`	`tzanger`	`they do work most of hte time but it's impossible talking to anyone there`
`03:12.19`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: drink coke`
`03:12.30`	`tzanger`	`12h my kids go back to their mom`
`03:12.58`	`tzanger`	`barqs is good`
`03:13.01`	`tzanger`	`but nasty to mix with rye`
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`03:13.24`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: aye`
`03:13.27`	`Strom_C`	`congrats, firestrm`
`03:13.28`	`Qwell`	`firestrm: Merry Christmas :p`
`03:13.31`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: wow congrats!`
`03:13.32`	`file`	`Strom_C: I confirmed that number you wanted got sent out :)`
`03:13.37`	`file`	`Strom_C: so we'll see if we get it`
`03:13.38`	`firestrm`	`thanks..`
`03:13.42`	`Strom_C`	`awesome`
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`03:14.23`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: the best piece of advice I can give is that kids are damn near impossible to break.. You can screw up pretty bad and recover so don't stress any of that. just love 'em unconditionally and do your best and they'll turn out great`
`03:14.46`	`blitzrage`	`or they'll turn out like tzanger -- one or the other`
`03:14.48`	`Strom_C`	`"hi, I broke my kid...can I do an exchange?"`
`03:14.53`	`file`	`blitzrage: !!!`
`03:15.06`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: oohhh`
`03:15.11`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: burn :)`
`03:15.15`	`blitzrage`	`file: !!!`
`03:15.22`	`tzanger`	`Strom_C: I used to tell people that I had a year before the warranty on my kids expired`
`03:15.37`	`JonR800`	`No exchanges, but I hear they fetch a pretty penny on the black market.`
`03:15.47`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, thanks.. im terrified of even holding babies.. im afrade im gonna break the,..`
`03:16.02`	`firestrm`	`their just so fragile..`
`03:16.15`	`file`	`who stole my moho`
`03:16.15`	`blitzrage`	`nah... kids are tough`
`03:16.17`	`file`	`er mojo`
`03:16.18`	`firestrm`	`and im a big huge gorilla`
`03:17.06`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: nope they are almost impossible to break. my kids LOVE being "manhandled" by me, especially when they were tiny. gentle roughness just made them laugh and giggle so much they drooled because they couldn't close their mouths`
`03:17.53`	`file`	`blitzrage: UNVEIL THE TIME PORTAL!`
`03:18.03`	`jontow`	`heh!`
`03:18.04`	`tzanger`	`JonR800: :-) I used to make the little old ladies in front or behind me at the supermarket checkout laugh when I'd tell them there's a special on little ones down Aisle 3 and if they hurried there were still a couple cute ones left (my kids always liked sitting in the shopping cart)`
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`03:18.20`	`blitzrage`	`and let them experience the world -- don't be too strict with them -- I hate when parents do that`
`03:18.22`	`coppice`	`firestrm: when my son was born at 895g, touching him was truly terrifying`
`03:18.23`	`tzanger`	`who am I kidding, they would still love to do that if I let 'em`
`03:18.34`	`blitzrage`	`file: lol!`
`03:18.49`	`JonR800`	`tzanger: haha`
`03:21.03`	`bkw_`	`yeeehaw`
`03:21.09`	`bkw_`	`OMG blitzrage`
`03:21.13`	`tzanger`	`bkw_: who are you riding?`
`03:21.29`	`file`	`Greg.`
`03:21.32`	`blitzrage`	`bkw_: what'd I do?!`
`03:21.45`	`SarahEmm`	`cl`
`03:21.46`	`bkw_`	`Ok in case you guys missed it.. Brokeback Mountain ROCKS`
`03:21.46`	`SarahEmm`	`oops`
`03:21.56`	`Strom_C`	`I still want to go see that`
`03:21.56`	`Qwell`	`bkw_: bareback what?`
`03:22.04`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: I agree. totally... there ta'int nothing wrong with getting dirty, eating mud or bugs, feeling dog poop or any of that... curiosity is best fed`
`03:22.06`	`blitzrage`	`Qwell: hoi!`
`03:22.08`	`Strom_C`	`Qwell, that joke is already old :)`
`03:22.12`	`firestrm`	`coppice, my fear of breaking is a big part of why we waited 8 years to have kids.. finances would be another..`
`03:22.13`	`Qwell`	`Strom_C: yeah`
`03:22.28`	`Qwell`	`blitzrage: I know a guy named Hoi.`
`03:22.31`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: yeah finances are always bad. :-)`
`03:22.34`	`Qwell`	`blitzrage: He's a dick.`
`03:22.39`	`blitzrage`	`lol`
`03:22.45`	`Qwell`	`no, seriously`
`03:22.52`	`coppice`	`firestrm: after the first few months, when the big hole in the top of their skull closes, kids are amazingly robust`
`03:22.53`	`blitzrage`	`Qwell: chicks must love him then`
`03:22.56`	`file`	`you named your dick hoi>`
`03:22.57`	`file`	`?`
`03:22.58`	`tzanger`	`hahaha`
`03:23.00`	`tzanger`	`HAHAHAHAH`
`03:23.09`	`blitzrage`	`file: lol!`
`03:23.27`	`Qwell`	`Hoi Taing...dipshit owns an ISP in Australia`
`03:23.36`	`Qwell`	`a real asshole...`
`03:23.39`	`bkw_`	`got my passport too`
`03:23.42`	`bkw_`	`and its correct this time`
`03:23.56`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, well finally for the first time in our lives, my wife and i have good jobs with good/major companies.. so its the first time we have felt stable enough to have kids, IT and research work is hell on stability`
`03:24.01`	`Qwell`	`(has a WIDE open Asterisk box on his network...)`
`03:24.25`	`Qwell`	`(uses the default context for international calls...)`
`03:24.40`	`blitzrage`	`wow... its like an asterisk alumni reunion in here tonight`
`03:24.40`	`mogorman`	`you let calls out of qwellstonia?`
`03:24.47`	`mogorman`	`hrm?`
`03:24.50`	`Qwell`	`mogorman: no, only in`
`03:24.51`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: I knocked my ex-wife up (she was not my wife yet at that time)... I've always had a pretty kick-ass job though.. .since I was 19.`
`03:24.57`	`firestrm`	`bkw_, ive go to go deal with the passport ting too.. im taking my wife to roatan to celebrate (and have one last good time for the next 18 years)`
`03:25.05`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: but really... there is no "right" time to have kids... there are some very wrong times to have them though`
`03:25.11`	`bkw_`	`ah`
`03:25.15`	`bkw_`	`kew`
`03:25.18`	`mogorman`	`now is the right time tzanger`
`03:25.41`	`blitzrage`	`I'm not going to have kids`
`03:25.45`	`tzanger`	`this one death cab for cutie song rocks`
`03:25.46`	`firestrm`	`blitzrage, ya no kidding.. must be a newyear think`
`03:25.46`	`blitzrage`	`at least not on purpose`
`03:25.52`	`mogorman`	`hey bkw_ you get me that info`
`03:25.54`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: gonna follow in my footsteps then?`
`03:25.56`	`jontow`	`congrats, firestrm.. ;) my lady and i are due with our first in early may 2006`
`03:26.01`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: hopefully not :)`
`03:26.01`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: just don't step in that last one I did... eep`
`03:26.06`	`coppice`	`blitzrage: neither am I. I let my wife do it`
`03:26.06`	`mogorman`	`not suprised leif if i was you i wouldnt have kids either`
`03:26.15`	`mogorman`	`^_^`
`03:26.16`	`Qwell`	`^ ha`
`03:26.24`	`blitzrage`	`you're all smart asses`
`03:26.34`	`file`	`blitzrage: c'mon, you know you love us!`
`03:26.34`	`Qwell`	`blitzrage: Don't feel bad. Just think, _I_ have one`
`03:26.42`	`tzanger`	`mogorman: hahaha`
`03:26.46`	`blitzrage`	`Qwell: really? crazy`
`03:26.47`	`Qwell`	`If I can...well...yeah`
`03:26.51`	`tzanger`	`I'd love a dozen kids if I could afford it`
`03:26.59`	`blitzrage`	`well, I'm sure I COULD have kids... just don't want any`
`03:27.00`	`tzanger`	`my ex said I'd have to take on another wife or two`
`03:27.01`	`coppice`	`mogorman: hey, my two happen to be 6 and 8 right now`
`03:27.03`	`tzanger`	`working on #2 now :-)`
`03:27.06`	`mogorman`	`or be a teacher`
`03:27.08`	`bkw_`	`blitzrage, haha`
`03:27.22`	`Qwell`	`it's funny though`
`03:27.27`	`Qwell`	`nevermind`
`03:27.30`	`blitzrage`	`I'm just too selfish with my time`
`03:27.34`	`rob0`	`I have one 7, one 8, one 16, one 21.`
`03:27.36`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: download "death cab for cuite - lack of color"`
`03:27.39`	`tzanger`	`wow`
`03:27.40`	`blitzrage`	`my friends have kids... I just don't dig'em`
`03:27.43`	`tzanger`	`mine are 6 and 4.5`
`03:27.49`	`coppice`	`tzanger: what right now?`
`03:27.51`	`mogorman`	`kids rock blitzrage`
`03:27.52`	`tzanger`	`I've always always loved kids though`
`03:27.56`	`mogorman`	`they are like little slaves`
`03:27.58`	`tzanger`	`coppice: ?`
`03:27.59`	`bkw_`	`ya just ask MJ`
`03:28.00`	`blitzrage`	`actually... kids are cool once they hit about 11`
`03:28.00`	`mogorman`	`cut the grass`
`03:28.01`	`Strom_C`	`I've got five kids, and none of them actually exist`
`03:28.05`	`mogorman`	`do the dishes`
`03:28.06`	`mogorman`	`etc`
`03:28.13`	`bkw_`	`Strom_C, OMG ltns`
`03:28.15`	`Qwell`	`Strom_C: That might be the way to go right there...`
`03:28.19`	`mogorman`	`and after you have enough they take care of themselves`
`03:28.21`	`blitzrage`	`I used to coach kids soccer for 7 years, taught swimming for 5`
`03:28.23`	`Strom_C`	`or, alternatively, they're all in my trash can`
`03:28.25`	`Strom_C`	`;)`
`03:28.27`	`Qwell`	`imaginary kids and an imaginary wife`
`03:28.31`	`Strom_C`	`hey bkw_!`
`03:28.43`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: nah, they're AWESOME at about 2-5 and then again briefly around 9-12 and then the rest is entirely up to random elements`
`03:28.44`	`blitzrage`	`I've had several girls tell me I'm great with kids... just not into it`
`03:28.46`	`firestrm`	`tzanger.. the thing is, i do have one kid allready.. but save 10 min holding her in the hospital before they took her away.. i havent seen her in allmost 18 years..`
`03:28.56`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: I don't know... I find them annoying...`
`03:28.57`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: ?`
`03:29.06`	`rob0`	`oh I'm very sorry firestrm`
`03:29.15`	`firestrm`	`i was 16, my gf was 15..`
`03:29.34`	`tzanger`	`mogorman: agreed. mine love to help... I'm not a fool though I know the "dad's a hero" stage doesn't last very long and I'm preparing to weather the "Dad's an asshole" stage`
`03:29.36`	`blitzrage`	`and I'm too selfish with my time -- I like just being able to pick up and go somewhere without any warning`
`03:29.38`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: ouch`
`03:29.39`	`firestrm`	`so this is kinda my do-over..`
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`03:29.51`	`firestrm`	`i hope i dont screw it up...`
`03:29.52`	`mogorman`	`heh its pretty cool when they get over that tzanger`
`03:29.56`	`mogorman`	`my dad is happy i got over mine`
`03:30.02`	`mogorman`	`took 20 years`
`03:30.04`	`mogorman`	`but it happens`
`03:30.10`	`file[laptop]`	`silly old people`
`03:30.14`	`mogorman`	`file!`
`03:30.18`	`tzanger`	`mogorman: yeah... the problem is that my dad really is an asshole a good 50% of the time`
`03:30.22`	`mogorman`	`lol`
`03:30.23`	`file[laptop]`	`mogorman: Matt!`
`03:30.29`	`coppice`	`i'm preparing for the daughter doesn't want to bath with daddy stage right now :-(`
`03:30.39`	`rob0`	`haha`
`03:31.00`	`tzanger`	`coppice: :-) I just dump mine in the tub together and the fightin gthat ensues generally washes them without much intervention`
`03:31.09`	`rob0`	`she the 6 or 8-y-o coppice?`
`03:31.13`	`mogorman`	`lol thats how i remeber it tzafrir_laptop`
`03:31.15`	`coppice`	`8`
`03:31.16`	`mogorman`	`err tzanger`
`03:31.20`	`tzanger`	`mogorman: :-)`
`03:31.20`	`mogorman`	`damn tab completion`
`03:31.35`	`tzanger`	`I don't give a shit if there is water everywhere in the room but if I step in a puddle there's hell to pay`
`03:31.49`	`tzanger`	`I absolutely HATE wet feet when I'm otherwise nice and warm and dry`
`03:31.51`	`firestrm`	`i had my 8 yo niece over for the last week.. man was that fun.. its great when their that age...`
`03:32.04`	`*** join/#asterisk L\|NUX (i=linux@202.5.131.6)`
`03:32.17`	`rob0`	`yes mine are a lot of fun`
`03:32.23`	`firestrm`	`its the 2:00 am feedings and the wiping bums i dread..`
`03:32.37`	`mogorman`	`im just not going to do that firestrm`
`03:32.43`	`mogorman`	`i have a good southern woman`
`03:32.43`	`L\|NUX`	`hello all`
`03:32.45`	`blitzrage`	`speaking of daughters.. anyone have a cute 24 y/o daughter they want to hook me up with? :)`
`03:32.47`	`L\|NUX`	`can some one help me with iaxtel.com`
`03:32.49`	`L\|NUX`	`i have account there`
`03:32.54`	`L\|NUX`	`and i am try to bind it into my *`
`03:32.56`	`L\|NUX`	`but its not working`
`03:33.00`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: I never ever minded changing dirty diapers. in fact I rather enjoyed experimenting with the input to see what colour I could change the output`
`03:33.03`	`file[laptop]`	`blitzrage: poor you, never give up...`
`03:33.04`	`L\|NUX`	`http://www.iaxtel.com/setup.html`
`03:33.08`	`SarahEmm`	`lol Corydon76-home.`
`03:33.10`	`L\|NUX`	`tried this example`
`03:33.13`	`mogorman`	`lol tzafrir_laptop`
`03:33.15`	`Strom_C`	`L\|NUX, you need to add whipped cream`
`03:33.16`	`mogorman`	`damn it`
`03:33.17`	`firestrm`	`tzanger rotfl`
`03:33.19`	`mogorman`	`tzanger,`
`03:33.25`	`mogorman`	`tzanger you need to change your nick`
`03:33.29`	`mogorman`	`or get them to fix xchat`
`03:33.31`	`L\|NUX`	`Strom_C : what ?`
`03:33.35`	`tzanger`	`particuarly interesting was Joshua's 2nd birthday... blue birthday cake... that kid had baby blue shit... I shit you not`
`03:33.39`	`tzanger`	`I've never seen anything like it`
`03:33.39`	`rob0`	`couple days ago, in Montgomery AL, we were at the judicial bldg, the one where Roy Moore got fired. A stranger walks by and my kid says to her, "Welcome to the capital of Alabama!"`
`03:33.52`	`tzanger`	`mogorman: hahaha`
`03:33.53`	`firestrm`	`lol`
`03:34.00`	`mogorman`	`lol rob0`
`03:34.25`	`jasonwolfe0u812`	`I really need some help with my digium TDM400 card and asterisk not detecting an answer on an outbound dial. Any direction would be helpful`
`03:34.25`	`tzanger`	`I mean I've seen every shade of brown, a good selection of greens, black, a few orange and yellows... but baby blue is just not a colour that should be produced by an anus`
`03:34.30`	`blitzrage`	`file[laptop]: heh... yah... hard to pick up women from my bedroom :)`
`03:34.50`	`tzanger`	`jasonwolfe0u812: "detecting answer of an OUTBOUND call" ?? it's an analog line, there is no indication given by the telco`
`03:34.55`	`file[laptop]`	`blitzrage: hrm, online dating services! :P`
`03:34.55`	`rob0`	`they had a lot of amusing questions for the docent at the Capitol, too.`
`03:34.56`	`L\|NUX`	`can any one help me with this ?`
`03:35.00`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, rotflmao.. ohh it hurts...`
`03:35.08`	`mogorman`	`heh tzanger i had neon orange when i had to get my hernia operation`
`03:35.26`	`tzanger`	`oh I wasn't talking about myself`
`03:35.48`	`mogorman`	`i realize`
`03:35.50`	`jasonwolfe0u812`	`that's what I was afraid of... is there a workaround to detect when someone says hello?`
`03:35.52`	`mogorman`	`i was 5`
`03:35.53`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, any multicolor.. like neploitan?`
`03:36.03`	`Strom_C`	`jasonwolfe0u812, why do youy care when the line supervises?`
`03:36.04`	`tzanger`	`I've only had surgery once and that was on my gums...`
`03:36.15`	`tzanger`	`jasonwolfe0u812: no. why do you need this?`
`03:36.20`	`Strom_C`	`if you really want answer supervision on your analog lines, order it from the telco`
`03:36.28`	`tzanger`	`Strom_C: if it's available`
`03:36.41`	`tzanger`	`actually jasonwolfe0u812 you can with a Dial() option that requires the user to hit a key to acknowledge the call`
`03:36.47`	`tzanger`	`mogorman: ahh okay`
`03:36.47`	`file[laptop]`	`I've had 3 surgeries... tubes in my ear drums twice, and repair on my eardrum when the stupid doctor pulled one of the tubes out and it left a holle`
`03:36.57`	`file[laptop]`	`er hole`
`03:37.05`	`tzanger`	`wow`
`03:37.10`	`*** join/#asterisk blitzrage (n=blitzrag@asterisk/documenteur-extraordinaire/blitzrage)`
`03:37.11`	`Strom_C`	`file[laptop], I've had both my eardrums replaced completely! I WIN!`
`03:37.12`	`mogorman`	`man everyone in my family had tubes in ears when we were little`
`03:37.18`	`mogorman`	`i think everyone gets ear infections`
`03:37.25`	`tzanger`	`actually I had one when I was about a week old to drain a gland in my neck that wasn't draining... still hvae that (kind of cool) scar`
`03:37.27`	`file[laptop]`	`I haven't had any in awhile`
`03:37.32`	`tzanger`	`nope I've never ever had one`
`03:37.33`	`blitzrage`	`mogorman: yah... they don't really do that anymore either`
`03:37.43`	`mogorman`	`really`
`03:37.49`	`mogorman`	`i hear it was insanely painful`
`03:37.56`	`mogorman`	`but i dont remeber it`
`03:37.58`	`blitzrage`	`yah... I don't think its good for you either`
`03:38.04`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: no neopolitan but I've had multicolour`
`03:38.05`	`coppice`	`you all seem to have defect rates microsoft would be proud of :-)`
`03:38.10`	`tzanger`	`carrots don't seem to digest well`
`03:38.10`	`rob0`	`yeah, you were a medical guinea pig. So was I, they did tonsillectomies in my day.`
`03:38.14`	`tzanger`	`coppice: hahaha`
`03:38.17`	`jasonwolfe0u812`	`so this is something that I can get? I apologize for being such a newbie but I'm a little lost here. I need to make an make an outbound call and play a file when the user answers...so I can order answer supervision? why does it appear to work sometimes?`
`03:38.32`	`Strom_C`	`jasonwolfe0u812, wait wait wait`
`03:38.39`	`file[laptop]`	`I've had my adnoids... however you spell it... out`
`03:38.39`	`Strom_C`	`you're calling people with RECORDINGS?`
`03:38.45`	`jasonwolfe0u812`	`no`
`03:38.46`	`blitzrage`	`never really had anything major wrong with me... no tubes, never had tonsils out, never broke anything....`
`03:38.54`	`tzanger`	`jasonwolfe0u812: there is no answer supervision on analog lines unless it's very very unique and specific to the telco and you can convince zaptel to look for it`
`03:38.57`	`firestrm`	`Strom_C, how about leg turned to hamburger at age 19, little trip to iraq..`
`03:38.59`	`file[laptop]`	`blitzrage: that's because you're perfect and cute`
`03:39.07`	`SarahEmm`	`FILE!`
`03:39.12`	`file[laptop]`	`KITRICH!`
`03:39.13`	`tzanger`	`jasonwolfe0u812: you can, otherwise use the dial() command option that requires the callee to press a digit to acknowledge`
`03:39.16`	`SarahEmm`	`HIHI!`
`03:39.19`	`SarahEmm`	`hehee.. ltns file :0`
`03:39.19`	`file[laptop]`	`hiiiiiii`
`03:39.21`	`blitzrage`	`ummm... I'm not cute anymore -- I've gained 20 lbs in 4 months :)`
`03:39.27`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: you were never cute`
`03:39.29`	`file[laptop]`	`blitzrage: pfft still good`
`03:39.31`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: lol!`
`03:39.38`	`blitzrage`	`fair enough :)`
`03:39.40`	`jasonwolfe0u812`	`it's a click to call sort of thing where I am dialing a person and giving requested information before conecting them with an agent.`
`03:39.56`	`tzanger`	`jasonwolfe0u812: you own't get that with analog lines`
`03:39.57`	`tzanger`	`use a PRI`
`03:39.58`	`file[laptop]`	`if you want reliable call progress detection, you don't go for analog... just don't`
`03:40.05`	`Strom_C`	`jasonwolfe0u812, use a PRI or an IP carrier`
`03:40.25`	`firestrm`	`file[laptop], i agree,its never worked for me..`
`03:40.40`	`jasonwolfe0u812`	`I will be using PRI when I build the real system, but I'm making a demo on two POTS lines with TDM400`
`03:40.41`	`coppice`	`tzanger: depends where he is. some people get full supervision on analogue lines`
`03:40.47`	`tzanger`	`jasonwolfe0u812: wont' work. :-)`
`03:40.55`	`tzanger`	`coppice: does zaptel detect any of it?`
`03:41.26`	`coppice`	`i saw patches this week to fix aspects of that, so I guess it does`
`03:41.35`	`[av]bani`	`dont quite understand why telcos charge 3x as much for PRI as for analogue lines, then whine that theyre running out of copper...`
`03:41.35`	`tzanger`	`interesting`
`03:41.43`	`mogorman`	`callprogress has kinda worked for a long time but not always`
`03:41.44`	`firestrm`	`coppice, not here... telus.. full supervision.. ummm devide by zero error sums it up best..`
`03:41.45`	`SarahEmm`	`cl`
`03:41.47`	`tzanger`	`[av]bani: because they can :-)`
`03:41.58`	`jasonwolfe0u812`	`so I have heard that It wont be a probmen when I move to PRI, but I need a solution for the demo`
`03:42.00`	`tzanger`	`telus won't give you answre supervision on analog lines`
`03:42.02`	`ManxPowe`	`[av]bani, because they can.`
`03:42.05`	`tzanger`	`no canadian carrier will IIRC`
`03:42.14`	`[av]bani`	`its just funny that they complain about problems of their own making`
`03:42.24`	`ManxPowe`	`tzanger, You and I think too much alike`
`03:42.24`	`firestrm`	`actually divide by zero sums up telus's collective iq quite well`
`03:42.24`	`blitzrage`	`ManxPowe: missing an 'r' :)`
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`03:42.32`	`coppice`	`tzanger: it varies a lot from country to country (or maybe telco to telco)`
`03:42.34`	`tzanger`	`ManxPowe: I refuse to admit that :-)`
`03:42.37`	`ManxPower`	`Hiya, blitzrage`
`03:42.49`	`blitzrage`	`ManxPowe: are you really that against the 'r' flag in dial()? :)`
`03:42.55`	`blitzrage`	`ManxPower: how goes`
`03:42.57`	`tzanger`	`hmm I've not had much trouble with telus but only dealt with them on a mobile role`
`03:43.02`	`[av]bani`	`the ilecs will be the last to figure out voip`
`03:43.05`	`ManxPower`	`blitzrage, YES!`
`03:43.06`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: 'r' in dial is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil`
`03:43.07`	`[av]bani`	`then they'll whine about that too`
`03:43.16`	`ManxPower`	`blitzrage, I found a new way up the mountian today.`
`03:43.16`	`mogorman`	`i agreee with tzanger`
`03:43.25`	`tzanger`	`I use it in one and only one occassion`
`03:43.26`	`mogorman`	`its very very very very very very very very rarely needed`
`03:43.32`	`jasonwolfe0u812`	`I need to go look that up I guess(the r flag) if this is a posible solution,... again, it's ust for the demo`
`03:43.39`	`ManxPower`	`tzanger, and it involves cell phones, right?`
`03:43.41`	`tzanger`	`when I call my cell phone and don't want them to hear the "the cell you are calling is turned off"`
`03:43.46`	`tzanger`	`ManxPower: yepper`
`03:43.50`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, oh just try to deal with them on a lease line.. or even worse.. a fiber connection.. get the vasiline.. you'll need it..`
`03:43.57`	`ManxPower`	`tzanger, The exact same thing I use it form`
`03:43.58`	`coppice`	`[av]bani: whining has proven a very successful strategy for them - mixed with a little cash`
`03:44.15`	`M-I-A`	`Hi everyone, I'm having a little trouble with a TDM2401E. Does anyone have any experience with one of these new cards?`
`03:44.17`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: I'm in Bell Canada's Tier 4 pricing group - the official "we don't even use the lube" rate group`
`03:44.27`	`Strom_C`	`I got a pretty screaming deal on the PRI I ordered for my client from SBC`
`03:44.46`	`tzanger`	`$55/B + $700 for the D + a host of miscellaneous small nickle and dime charges for 911 and so on`
`03:44.47`	`file[laptop]`	`Strom_C: I've listened to all your payphone records but I want moreeeee >.<`
`03:44.50`	`firestrm`	`tzanger lol..`
`03:44.55`	`file[laptop]`	`er records = recordings`
`03:45.10`	`file[laptop]`	`I am _not_ awake`
`03:45.16`	`Strom_C`	`tzanger, ouch. My PRI cost like $250 a month, total`
`03:45.20`	`Strom_C`	`plus usage`
`03:45.27`	`tzanger`	`Strom_C: bleh. :-(`
`03:45.29`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, usage?`
`03:45.30`	`file[laptop]`	`ManxPower: meh`
`03:45.32`	`firestrm`	`tzanger, we use telus on lease line for RCMP/Fire repeaters.. lots of fun..`
`03:45.37`	`Strom_C`	`per-minute charges for outbound calls`
`03:45.49`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, That's why it's so cheap.`
`03:45.54`	`tzanger`	`Strom_C: I mean I am in a town of 5300 people, but nobody else... not AT&T/Allstream, not Telus, not ANYONE else would even return our calls`
`03:45.55`	`Strom_C`	`it's a few cents a minute`
`03:46.00`	`ManxPower`	`We don't pay for usage, and I doubt tzanger does either`
`03:46.02`	`[av]bani`	`coppice: dunno, i dont count criminal fraud convictions and ch11 bankruptcies as successful :)`
`03:46.11`	`tzanger`	`Strom_C: I don't mind per-minute for outbound (LD-only PRI) at all.`
`03:46.20`	`[av]bani`	`but then maybe your metric of success is different than mine :)`
`03:46.26`	`tzanger`	`no I don't, only LD`
`03:46.50`	`M-I-A`	`No dice?`
`03:46.52`	`tzanger`	`I'd give up free local calls for cheaper PRI though. our patterns are distinctly weighed to incoming`
`03:47.26`	`firestrm`	`i'd give just about anything to get a DID in victoria..`
`03:47.34`	`coppice`	`[av]bani: not everyone can play the game properly. a lot got very rich in the same game :-)`
`03:47.36`	`firestrm`	`thats not sixtel that is..`
`03:48.26`	`blitzrage`	`I wonder how much it'd be to put aPRI in Sarnia...`
`03:48.54`	`firestrm`	`blitzrage, here its 600/mo + $2.00 per DID`
`03:49.03`	`blitzrage`	`firestrm: where is here?`
`03:49.09`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: how much do you pay?`
`03:49.09`	`firestrm`	`Victoria bc`
`03:49.09`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: not bad`
`03:49.16`	`blitzrage`	`firestrm: hrmmmm... thats not bad`
`03:49.26`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: $55/B+$700/D+miscellaneous nickle and dime`
`03:49.29`	`M-I-A`	`Check check one two check. is this thing on`
`03:49.33`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: oh yah.. you just said that :)`
`03:49.35`	`blitzrage`	`lol`
`03:49.37`	`firestrm`	`ive been told.. its good.. telus wants $1800.00 for the same`
`03:49.39`	`tzanger`	`M-I-A: we hear ya`
`03:49.41`	`Strom_C`	`oh, I forgot to mention that the SBC package includes 20 DIDs`
`03:49.42`	`M-I-A`	`:)`
`03:49.56`	`tzanger`	`Strom_C: yeah the Bell has 30 dids included`
`03:50.03`	`file[laptop]`	`now I'm a believer`
`03:50.09`	`file[laptop]`	`without a trace... of doubt on my mind!`
`03:50.10`	`tzanger`	`file[laptop]: listening to the monkees?`
`03:50.13`	`tzanger`	`yep`
`03:50.14`	`tzanger`	`hehe`
`03:50.15`	`file[laptop]`	`tzanger: Austin Powers`
`03:50.18`	`tzanger`	`file[laptop]: yep`
`03:50.19`	`firestrm`	`but navigata is $600.00 in victoria..`
`03:50.25`	`Himeko`	`telus charges us more fre our 15 lines than we could get a pri for`
`03:50.47`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: just tell telus you've got several competing bids and ask if they're serious about getting your business`
`03:50.51`	`firestrm`	`Himeko, where are you..`
`03:50.56`	`Himeko`	`edmonton`
`03:51.12`	`firestrm`	`Himeko, navigata is your friend..`
`03:51.16`	`*** join/#asterisk bmg505 (n=leon@dsl-146-42-193.telkomadsl.co.za)`
`03:51.17`	`tzanger`	`wow the canadians are invading`
`03:51.26`	`tzanger`	`BC, AB, ON, PQ, NB`
`03:51.28`	`rob0`	`let's surrender now`
`03:51.43`	`firestrm`	`tzanger.. ya, but i would rather deal with someone who gives the streight deal first, rather than having to dick around..`
`03:51.44`	`SarahEmm`	`hhehe`
`03:51.46`	`tzanger`	`YOU WILL HAVE MAYO ON THAT BURGER AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT`
`03:51.53`	`ManxPower`	`LOL!`
`03:51.55`	`SarahEmm`	`who here is pq?`
`03:51.55`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: yep I do too`
`03:51.57`	`file[laptop]`	`HEIL CANUHDUH!`
`03:52.01`	`tzanger`	`JunK-Y is from PQ`
`03:52.08`	`SarahEmm`	`ahh cool`
`03:52.09`	`tzanger`	`there's a couple others too I can't think of their names offhand`
`03:52.12`	`drray`	`people who put codiene in aspirin are ok in my book`
`03:52.18`	`M-I-A`	`zt_open: Unable to specify channel 1: No such device ... zttool says alarms OK.. ztcfg -vv says chan 01: FXS kewlstart (default)`
`03:52.22`	`tzanger`	`drray: :-) you can get it w/o perscription too`
`03:52.29`	`tzanger`	`just go to the pharmacist and ask for a bottle of AC&Cs`
`03:52.30`	`SarahEmm`	`heh, and bell thinks i'm in PQ :)`
`03:52.38`	`drray`	`I know, I've gone to london's drug in BC`
`03:52.40`	`drray`	`:)`
`03:52.46`	`tzanger`	`SarahEmm: nah, my bro says the DNS reverse mappings for all the HSE accounts are buggered beyond belief`
`03:52.49`	`blitzrage`	`Moc is from Quebec`
`03:52.55`	`firestrm`	`brb, have to check on bread in oven (my wife loves it when i make her fresh bread from scratch)`
`03:52.56`	`blitzrage`	`"kay-beck"`
`03:52.57`	`Himeko`	`is there somethign wierd about mayo on a burger?`
`03:53.05`	`tzanger`	`Himeko: ask an american :-)`
`03:53.07`	`blitzrage`	`mayo on everything!`
`03:53.12`	`blitzrage`	`and white vinegar!`
`03:53.16`	`SarahEmm`	`tzanger: muchly, yeah. i move around between various locations in ON and PQ :)`
`03:53.18`	`*** join/#asterisk bkw__ (n=brian@ppp-69-155-251-101.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net)`
`03:53.19`	`drray`	`mayo goes bad, and in the south it's hot, so mayo is not trusted`
`03:53.24`	`blitzrage`	`mayo on freedom fries... mmmmm`
`03:53.32`	`rob0`	`US Burger Kings use mayo by default on whoppers`
`03:53.51`	`drray`	`yeah, you have to ask for a mustard whopper`
`03:53.52`	`coppice`	`maoist burgers?`
`03:53.57`	`file[laptop]`	`bkw__: look at the backend in my work directory and tell you if that's just not easy, simple, and cute now :P`
`03:53.57`	`tzanger`	`us burger kings rock because you can order a whopper at 7am`
`03:54.01`	`file[laptop]`	`er tell me`
`03:54.02`	`Himeko`	`ew`
`03:54.08`	`Himeko`	`can't stand mustard`
`03:54.12`	`blitzrage`	`me either`
`03:54.16`	`Himeko`	`whoppers come just right`
`03:54.20`	`tzanger`	`drray: do they trust milk and cheese?`
`03:54.33`	`firestrm`	`what got me was in the USA they dont put any sugar in the ice tea.. yuck!!`
`03:54.34`	`tzanger`	`gotta love steamed hamburger patty 10 seconds on the grill`
`03:54.34`	`drray`	`a lot of people don't drink enough milk`
`03:54.35`	`file[laptop]`	`I have only gone to burger king three times in my entire life time`
`03:54.42`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: that's the best`
`03:54.47`	`tzanger`	`that's true iced tea`
`03:54.52`	`firestrm`	`bleh.`
`03:54.54`	`SarahEmm`	`firestrm: i like it that way :)`
`03:54.56`	`tzanger`	`my mom used to make a pot of tea and put it in the fridge for REAL iced tea`
`03:54.58`	`SarahEmm`	`?ME AGREES WITH TZANGER`
`03:55.03`	`rob0`	`oh man, here in the south they serve "sweet tea" with tons of sugar.`
`03:55.04`	`SarahEmm`	`err oops`
`03:55.09`	`tzanger`	`haha`
`03:55.10`	`firestrm`	`im with rob0`
`03:55.16`	`drray`	`sweet tea is kind of nasty`
`03:55.19`	`SarahEmm`	`tzanger: i do that :) earl grey iced tea is great :)`
`03:55.21`	`tzanger`	`I like both sweet and "normal" iced teas`
`03:55.30`	`TheCops`	`Someone know where to find some wav files ringtone for polycom?`
`03:55.34`	`firestrm`	`sunbrewed tea is the best..`
`03:55.37`	`tzanger`	`TheCops: I don't`
`03:55.39`	`tzanger`	`TheCops: you from PQ?`
`03:55.45`	`file[laptop]`	`AsteriskAfterHours(tm) is now open`
`03:55.49`	`file[laptop]`	`What will everyone have to drink?`
`03:55.50`	`file[laptop]`	`:P`
`03:55.54`	`[av]bani`	`five alive`
`03:56.01`	`tzanger`	`firestrm: double rye and coke, no fucking lime or straw`
`03:56.06`	`rob0`	`It's like "coffee" in NYC. "Reg'lar" means double cream, double sugar. I got caught on that once.`
`03:56.07`	`tzanger`	`er file[laptop]`
`03:56.13`	`SarahEmm`	`carbonated water with lemon :)`
`03:56.15`	`M-I-A`	`hash brownie`
`03:56.18`	`tzanger`	`rob0: ouch... tha'ts a double-double at timmy's`
`03:56.24`	`file[laptop]`	`well - I'm not the bar tender, so pfft`
`03:56.24`	`TheCops`	`tzanger yeah`
`03:56.26`	`tzanger`	`a regular is one cream/sugar at tiimmy's`
`03:56.27`	`file[laptop]`	`help yourselves!`
`03:56.35`	`tzanger`	`aha see I knew there was another Quebecois in here`
`03:56.36`	`*** join/#asterisk nesys (n=nesys@81-174-12-111.f5.ngi.it)`
`03:56.36`	`firestrm`	`im with M-I-A`
`03:56.44`	`tzanger`	`22:55 < file[laptop]> What will everyone have to drink?`
`03:56.46`	`tzanger`	`yes you are`
`03:56.47`	`TheCops`	`why that ?! :P`
`03:56.51`	`file[laptop]`	`tzanger: I quit.`
`03:56.52`	`blitzrage`	`file[laptop]: get me the same thing tzanger is having`
`03:56.53`	`file[laptop]`	`:P`
`03:56.58`	`file[laptop]`	`the pay was horrible`
`03:56.59`	`tzanger`	`TheCops: I was just saying the canadians are invading :-)`
`03:57.04`	`TheCops`	`:P`
`03:57.10`	`tzanger`	`we've got a good number of provinces in here`
`03:57.11`	`ManxPower`	`tzanger, and it's about dam time!`
`03:57.19`	`file[laptop]`	`HEIL CANUHDUH!`
`03:57.20`	`tzanger`	`file[laptop]: yes, but all the drinks you can hold down`
`03:57.24`	`file[laptop]`	`YOU WILL COMPLY!`
`03:57.34`	`ManxPower`	`What else would they do on these cold Canadian winter nights?`
`03:57.36`	`M-I-A`	`I'm picking up my igloo and moving south!!`
`03:57.40`	`tzanger`	`file[laptop]: no`
`03:57.44`	`TheCops`	`Secup, [tk]-fender, me, you, there's many people from quebec i guess.`
`03:57.48`	`tzanger`	`file[laptop]: YOU WILL COMPLY, OR WE WILL ASK YOU POLITELY AGAIN!`
`03:57.51`	`file[laptop]`	`ManxPower: to quote this movie, "get it on"`
`03:57.57`	`ManxPower`	`rob0, where in AL are you?`
`03:58.01`	`rob0`	`y'all take over now`
`03:58.02`	`file[laptop]`	`rob0: uh we don't want that state`
`03:58.04`	`tzanger`	`M-I-A: it will get lighter as you travel`
`03:58.12`	`blitzrage`	`file[laptop]: we don't want any of the states :)`
`03:58.22`	`rob0`	`near Florence.`
`03:58.25`	`file[laptop]`	`I wouldn't mind California`
`03:58.25`	`blitzrage`	`actually... maybe California... it was pretty cool....`
`03:58.28`	`tzanger`	`TheCops: moc, JunK-Y , who else`
`03:58.33`	`file[laptop]`	`blitzrage: LOL`
`03:58.36`	`blitzrage`	`file[laptop]: :)`
`03:58.38`	`TheCops`	`hehe`
`03:58.43`	`ManxPower`	`rob0, I don't know where that is. I'm now living about 50 miles NE of birmmingham`
`03:58.59`	`TheCops`	`tzanger I know few person in real life, they dont go on IRC.`
`03:59.07`	`TheCops`	`asterisk is totaly a revolution`
`03:59.08`	`TheCops`	`:)`
`03:59.10`	`rob0`	`NW corner, I'm actually closer to TN than to Florence`
`03:59.16`	`file[laptop]`	`great my e-mail is broken`
`03:59.20`	`file[laptop]`	`all your fault`
`03:59.26`	`M-I-A`	`Does any * talk go on in this chan? =)`
`03:59.32`	`SarahEmm`	`M-I-A: once in awhile.`
`03:59.32`	`file[laptop]`	`M-I-A: it's a Friday night.`
`03:59.35`	`ManxPower`	`rob0, Ah, so in the general region of Huntaville?`
`03:59.42`	`file[laptop]`	`tzanger: harder!`
`03:59.43`	`M-I-A`	`or is * a cover up for something big :)`
`03:59.48`	`SarahEmm`	`M-I-A: i'd talk about it, but nobody here uses the same part of * that i do, so i'm not sure it'd help :)`
`04:00.02`	`tzanger`	`SarahEmm: :-)`
`04:00.11`	`rob0`	`ManxPower: we were just in MGM this week ... and hey M-I-A: I used VoIP with my * server at home ;)`
`04:00.30`	`file[laptop]`	`Asterisk: Doing naughty things to otherwise good phones.`
`04:01.09`	`M-I-A`	`Everyones a joker tonight :) lol I should have just turned on XM channel 150 instead of irc #asterisk`
`04:01.16`	`SkramX`	`Anyone use SIP on their PocketPC? SJPhone only works on 2003, i have 2002...`
`04:01.18`	`blitzrage`	`why am I being smacked around?`
`04:01.24`	`rob0`	`I'm a bit more than an hour from Huntsville`
`04:01.38`	`file[laptop]`	`blitzrage: you broke my e-mail`
`04:01.40`	`rob0`	`but I'm in area code 0x100 ;)`
`04:01.45`	`M-I-A`	`huntsville ontario?`
`04:02.07`	`SarahEmm`	`i do SkramX. i use xten's ppc one`
`04:02.09`	`SarahEmm`	`well..`
`04:02.12`	`SarahEmm`	`i don't know about 'use'`
`04:02.15`	`SarahEmm`	`i have it installed`
`04:02.22`	`SarahEmm`	`i almost never communicate by voice anymore tho so.. mew.`
`04:02.26`	`SarahEmm`	`it works tho :)`
`04:02.39`	`SkramX`	`SarahEmm: ill try it`
`04:02.43`	`rob0`	`M-I-A: possibly so, now that I have surrendered to Canada. Perhaps Ontario will annex us.`
`04:02.49`	`SarahEmm`	`mine's ppc2003SE tho`
`04:02.55`	`ManxPower`	`rob0, we can only hope.`
`04:03.03`	`trixter`	`SkramX: I have used both sjphone and xten.. I paid for xten becuase it has much better echo control, although there are newer versions of sjphone so maybe that changed`
`04:03.15`	`trixter`	`I have a h5500 btw`
`04:03.22`	`M-I-A`	`I'm heading to the rock ridge tubing next week!! yeehaw`
`04:03.26`	`rob0`	`hey, Alabama has the best politicians money can buy.`
`04:03.38`	`SkramX`	`i dont want to pay :(`
`04:03.43`	`ManxPower`	`rob0, I thought that was Louisiana.`
`04:04.09`	`rob0`	`naw, Loozyanna is second-best`
`04:04.37`	`SarahEmm`	`fleeing.... TO the USA?`
`04:04.43`	`M-I-A`	`I knew I should not have bought this TDM2400 card... It's just way to new... there is no support for it anywhere`
`04:04.49`	`rob0`	`yes, very odd`
`04:04.57`	`mogorman`	`what M-I-A`
`04:05.04`	`firestrm`	`the lieberals han have my handguns when they pry them from my cold dead bullett riddled hands`
`04:05.14`	`rob0`	`ah`
`04:05.22`	`*** join/#asterisk gdsm (n=gdsm@e1-1.ns500-1.ts.milt.as9105.net)`
`04:05.29`	`M-I-A`	`mogorman: you have one?`
`04:05.45`	`M-I-A`	`sweet`
`04:05.46`	`rob0`	`that's one freedom that still partially exists in the USA`
`04:05.57`	`mogorman`	`i actually keep one around just to beat people with`
`04:06.01`	`M-I-A`	`lol`
`04:06.10`	`M-I-A`	`yeah its a pretty long card`
`04:06.17`	`mogorman`	`its my clue stick`
`04:06.27`	`rob0`	`oh is that the full-length monster?`
`04:06.31`	`mogorman`	`and my stable stick`
`04:06.32`	`M-I-A`	`it would probably flex night.. could use it as a sling shot`
`04:06.36`	`mogorman`	`i hit things and make them stable`
`04:06.41`	`M-I-A`	`night = nice`
`04:06.49`	`mogorman`	`nah mia its fully popultated`
`04:07.22`	`firestrm`	`cool im talking on irc and copying CW from Qutar at the same time :)`
`04:08.12`	`M-I-A`	`any reason zttool and ztcfg see the card and everything looks great except when launching * it dumps with zt_open: Unable to specify channel 1: No such device`
`04:08.15`	`firestrm`	`3.560mhz`
`04:08.29`	`mogorman`	`whats dmesg say M-I-A`
`04:08.59`	`blitzrage`	`firestrm: yah.. the liberals keep shooting themselves in the foot...`
`04:09.14`	`tzanger`	`3.579545MHz`
`04:09.16`	`Corydon76-home`	`Most usual problem with the analog boards is that someone forgot to plug in the molex connector`
`04:09.19`	`rob0`	`gosh, you're so helpful mogorman! Tell kram to give you a raise.`
`04:09.25`	`mogorman`	`heh`
`04:09.32`	`mogorman`	`its my last few days in support`
`04:09.39`	`tzanger`	`holy shit`
`04:09.42`	`tzanger`	`I remembered that number`
`04:09.42`	`mogorman`	`for the next 26 hours`
`04:09.43`	`Corydon76-home`	`mogorman: you're retiring?`
`04:09.44`	`blitzrage`	`anyone have a recommendation for some new music albums?`
`04:09.45`	`tzanger`	`3.579545MHz`
`04:09.53`	`firestrm`	`blitzrage, ya like the criminals are gonna stop because the gun aint registered..`
`04:09.55`	`mogorman`	`getting out of support into other crap`
`04:10.09`	`tzanger`	`I'd like to see the death sentence for gun crimes`
`04:10.16`	`coppice`	`tzanger: i'll take your word. i only remember the first 4 digits :-)`
`04:10.16`	`tzanger`	`firing squad, of course.`
`04:10.22`	`mogorman`	`no death penalty`
`04:10.24`	`pakipenguin`	`can anyone do some testing withme , i need to check if call back works okay, i n eed some number to call`
`04:10.27`	`firestrm`	`blitzrage, if anything i think its getting worse becuse the criminals have less to fear, because the population has been effectivly disarmed..`
`04:10.28`	`blitzrage`	`firestrm: no shit -- thats about the dumbest thing they've done since spending too much money on the gun registry`
`04:10.36`	`mogorman`	`id much rather see death penatly for enron employees`
`04:10.43`	`tzanger`	`mogorman: yes, that too`
`04:10.47`	`mogorman`	`but im not for it either way`
`04:10.54`	`*** join/#asterisk stkn_ (i=nobody@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.stkn)`
`04:10.54`	`blitzrage`	`firestrm: yah -- and law abiding citizens don't shoot people with their registered guns`
`04:10.55`	`mogorman`	`i think that is so messed up`
`04:11.07`	`mogorman`	`that one accontant is only going for 7 years`
`04:11.14`	`mogorman`	`i hope someone give him the shiv....`
`04:11.51`	`M-I-A`	`mogorman: chan_zap.c:920 zt_open: Unable to specify channel 1: No such device \|\| chan_zap.c:6856 mkintf: Unable to open channel 1: no such device here = 0, tmp->channel = 1, channel = 1`
`04:12.12`	`mogorman`	`yeah mia that sounds odd , whats dmesg say?`
`04:12.20`	`*** join/#asterisk malakkara (n=none@pcp0011525589pcs.midltn01.nj.comcast.net)`
`04:12.22`	`firestrm`	`blitzrage, i cant even shot my handgun on my own property.. i have to go to a registered range..`
`04:12.29`	`firestrm`	`its totally retarded..`
`04:12.49`	`coppice`	`M-I-A what does your /proc/zaptel/?? file say?`
`04:12.55`	`blitzrage`	`firestrm: yeppers, same problem here :)`
`04:13.06`	`M-I-A`	`no errors.. what part would you like me to write in the channel here?`
`04:13.17`	`blitzrage`	`firestrm: although my neighbours behind me would probably not like me shooting in their direction :)`
`04:13.19`	`mogorman`	`can i get into box mia`
`04:13.24`	`mogorman`	`i bet i can figure it out in a min`
`04:13.27`	`M-I-A`	`its behind a firewall`
`04:13.27`	`mogorman`	`if i can look at it`
`04:13.32`	`mogorman`	`:(`
`04:13.38`	`mogorman`	`cant punch 22 through?`
`04:13.39`	`coppice`	`M-I-A: out it all in pastebin`
`04:14.04`	`mogorman`	`or i can give you my ip M-I-A`
`04:14.38`	`firestrm`	`blitzrage, my parents have a farm out in the middle of nowhere.. i can be arrested for plinking with my handgun on private property..`
`04:14.59`	`M-I-A`	`1 sec`
`04:15.20`	`*** join/#asterisk r0d3nt_m (i=r0d3nt@tinfoilhat.net)`
`04:15.39`	`blitzrage`	`firestrm: yah... its totally stupid -- I remember going out to the gravel put with my Dad and his friend (he was a local police officer) and shooting guns when I was a kid. THATS how you teach a child to respect guns.`
`04:16.09`	`blitzrage`	`Those of us who use guns for sport are not the ones who should be punished.`
`04:16.19`	`mogorman`	`or you know blitzrage just not have guns...`
`04:16.44`	`LostFrog`	`hehehe.. POSTAL!! lol`
`04:17.38`	`firestrm`	`blitzrage, gun safety was manditory in my school in grade 7.. too many farm kids getting themselves shot accidently`
`04:18.06`	`mogorman`	`thats how i plan to do it`
`04:18.24`	`M-I-A`	`coppice: /proc/zaptel/1 says Span 1: WCTDM/0 "Wildcard TDM2400P Prototype Board 1" \| 1 WCTDM/0/0 FXSKS \| 2 WCTDM/0/1 FXSKS \| 3 WCTDM/0/2 FXSKS \| 4 WCTDM/0/3 FXSKS`
`04:18.30`	`blitzrage`	`My father has willingly spent all the money the gov't has asked him to in order to register his guns, obtain his permits, take the required courses, etc... etc... -- if the gov't says he can no longer have them, he should get a full reimbursment for that`
`04:19.10`	`firestrm`	`blitzrage, well there was another government that did exactly the same thing as canada.. play for play... i think they spoke german..`
`04:19.46`	`*** join/#asterisk \|dennis\| (i=dennis@200.32.215.84)`
`04:19.48`	`blitzrage`	`plus they are collectors items to me and have sentimental value, like the time I spent with my father when I was a child and expect to inherit all his guns`
`04:19.58`	`firestrm`	`a disarmed population is much easier to dictate too..`
`04:19.58`	`coppice`	`M-I-A: that seems to confirm everything is configured OK. channel 1 should definitely work, unless the driver has a bug`
`04:20.00`	`tzanger`	`now THAT is a scary thought`
`04:20.11`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage with guns`
`04:20.13`	`tzanger`	`<shiver>`
`04:20.15`	`blitzrage`	`lol`
`04:20.22`	`M-I-A`	`mogorman I have to register on this irc server to do private msg's.. hold on`
`04:20.25`	`blitzrage`	`I made bullets in my basement for my 10th birthday party :)`
`04:20.37`	`tzanger`	`and they call ME a hick... heh`
`04:20.38`	`mogorman`	`oh okies...`
`04:20.57`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: heh, I'm from a town of < 5300 :)`
`04:21.03`	`tzanger`	`:-)`
`04:21.19`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: yer city folk to me`
`04:21.34`	`tzanger`	`yeah we have more than three teeth`
`04:21.45`	`tzanger`	`and I don't call my wife 'cuz'`
`04:22.05`	`blitzrage`	`.45 colt, .44 magnum w/ red dot scope :)`
`04:22.21`	`blitzrage`	`and I don't like to hunt, let alone kill people :)`
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`04:22.29`	`shido6`	`I keep the SOCOM under the couch`
`04:22.36`	`firestrm`	`blitzrage, we need to get together some time to "ventilate" some targets..`
`04:22.46`	`blitzrage`	`and I don't have them for protection -- but I do enjoy target shooting`
`04:22.47`	`justinu`	`AK47`
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`04:23.01`	`justinu`	`cheap, reliable, powerful`
`04:23.05`	`justinu`	`ask the marines`
`04:23.09`	`tzanger`	`my mentor's mentor was Kalashnikov`
`04:23.18`	`blitzrage`	`firestrm: aye`
`04:23.30`	`tzanger`	`not because the gun was super accurate or anything but rather because it was so damned practical`
`04:23.36`	`justinu`	`yep`
`04:23.43`	`tzanger`	`it was a damn good service weapon`
`04:23.47`	`firestrm`	`blitzrage, i have no choice but to hunt.. im alergic to most farmed meat.. only other option is to fo vegi.. but im not a nice person on vegi..`
`04:23.53`	`justinu`	`kalashnikov put himself out of business with that gun, basically`
`04:24.12`	`tzanger`	`it could get dragged through muck and still fire without jamming. If you bent the barrel you could find any old machinist to get another made`
`04:24.31`	`tzanger`	`it wasn't the best of the best, no, but it simply worked and worked damn well for its designed purpose`
`04:25.05`	`tzanger`	`hahahaha`
`04:25.07`	`tzanger`	`That's a completely unfair allegation. I'm sure that very few members of the RIAA eat babies on a regular basis.`
`04:25.24`	`blitzrage`	`firestrm: thats fine... if you hunt for the sake of food you're probably healthier for it and make better use of the animal`
`04:26.16`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: yah -- it was reliable in combat, and thats key in war`
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`04:27.05`	`coppice`	`tzanger: they don't eat them. they feed them into a kind of sausage machine that turns them into standardised one hit wonders`
`04:27.12`	`soundguy`	`Hi. Can someone please tell me what this error is when I start asterisk using safe_asterisk, "Asterisk died with code 127"`
`04:27.31`	`soundguy`	`It works fine starting it normally`
`04:27.43`	`blitzrage`	`have you ever wondered what chemical cigarette companies use to make menthol cigarettes taste like mint when they burn? Because mint leaves certainly don't taste like that when you burn them....`
`04:28.01`	`tzanger`	`blitzrage: uh, isn't the chemical "menthol" ?`
`04:28.09`	`mogorman`	`i thought so to tzanger`
`04:28.25`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: menthol is a chemical? crazy...`
`04:28.26`	`tzanger`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menthol`
`04:28.43`	`mogorman`	`i still cant believe people smoke`
`04:28.53`	`tzanger`	`when I drink enough I start to crave a cigarette`
`04:28.57`	`justinu`	`ditto`
`04:28.59`	`blitzrage`	`yah... cigarettes are terrible -- I can't smoke them anymore`
`04:29.01`	`drray`	`I like smoking`
`04:29.04`	`tzanger`	`but I always, always, always remember why I don't smoke in the morning and for the next few days`
`04:29.05`	`drray`	`I don't do it anymore`
`04:29.10`	`tzanger`	`feels like my head's a marble in a vise`
`04:29.11`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: me too, but it makes me feel sick now`
`04:29.13`	`mogorman`	`im not saying smoking doesnt feel good`
`04:29.19`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: that too`
`04:29.19`	`drray`	`but I love the taste of a good smoke`
`04:29.20`	`tzanger`	`I do enjoy a good cigar now and again though`
`04:29.24`	`mogorman`	`but i would think as its been known its really bad for you`
`04:29.26`	`mogorman`	`for a long time`
`04:29.33`	`mogorman`	`they wouldnt get as many new users`
`04:29.34`	`drray`	`cheeseburgers are bad for you`
`04:29.35`	`justinu`	`so what?`
`04:29.39`	`mogorman`	`not to mentions its fucking expensive`
`04:29.39`	`drray`	`drinking is bad for you`
`04:29.42`	`justinu`	`lots of stuff is bad for you`
`04:29.51`	`mogorman`	`one cigarette is far more worse than one cheeseburger`
`04:29.58`	`blitzrage`	`mogorman: most new users are under the age of 17... if you don't start smoking by 20... its highly unlikely you ever will start`
`04:30.03`	`drray`	`one cigarette will not do anything for you`
`04:30.15`	`mogorman`	`lol drray`
`04:30.17`	`justinu`	`i started smoking after age 20`
`04:30.31`	`mogorman`	`it doesnt do a lot`
`04:30.34`	`mogorman`	`like ads say`
`04:30.40`	`mogorman`	`but it does f it up`
`04:30.41`	`coppice`	`many people smoke a few days after death :-)`
`04:30.43`	`dudes`	`So smoking 2 packs a day and drinking at least half a liter of whisky is bad`
`04:30.54`	`mogorman`	`yeah`
`04:30.59`	`mogorman`	`drinking is bad too`
`04:31.00`	`tzanger`	`ok everyone`
`04:31.02`	`tzanger`	`http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/980/councilelrond5wl.jpg`
`04:31.03`	`mogorman`	`i dont do that either`
`04:31.12`	`tzanger`	`coppice: :-)`
`04:31.23`	`mogorman`	`heh coppice`
`04:31.39`	`blitzrage`	`yah... I don't drink or smoke....`
`04:31.43`	`blitzrage`	`</lies>`
`04:31.45`	`tzanger`	`reminds me of the joke about the guy who fell into a vat of whiskey. He fought off help for 10 minuts before finally drowning. They cremated him and he burned for 4 days`
`04:31.58`	`drray`	`heh`
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`04:32.14`	`drray`	`all things in moderation are fine`
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`04:32.28`	`dudes`	`I figure if everything we did was good for us, we may as well just kill ourselves now.`
`04:32.33`	`mogorman`	`no smoking in moderation is bad`
`04:32.43`	`mogorman`	`lol dudes`
`04:32.53`	`mogorman`	`cheeseburgers from time to time are not unhealthy`
`04:32.55`	`drray`	`smoking in moderation is no worse statistically than driving a car`
`04:33.01`	`dudes`	`Plus, drinking and smoking takes the worst years off your life.`
`04:33.09`	`mogorman`	`thats not true drray`
`04:33.12`	`coppice`	`tzanger: that's like the story of the Duke of somewhere who drowned in a vat of marmsey. was is murder or accidental suicide? :-)`
`04:33.15`	`mogorman`	`lol dudes`
`04:33.16`	`justinu`	`who wants to be 80 anyways?`
`04:33.21`	`mogorman`	`it just makes em come earlier`
`04:33.25`	`tzanger`	`what's marmsey?`
`04:33.27`	`drray`	`lots of 79 year olds`
`04:33.29`	`drray`	`:)`
`04:33.35`	`justinu`	`life sucks`
`04:33.38`	`justinu`	`why prolong it?`
`04:33.39`	`blitzrage`	`120 is our nature life span`
`04:33.40`	`drray`	`100 years of listening to coppice.. .`
`04:33.45`	`dudes`	`My grandma was like 90 some`
`04:33.53`	`mogorman`	`120 is just what is now`
`04:33.53`	`justinu`	`lol`
`04:33.59`	`gefriend`	`Hola... Does anyone know if PIN Number work with MeetMe in 1.0.7?`
`04:34.00`	`drray`	`a bacon flavored smoke`
`04:34.06`	`dudes`	`and that poor women didn't even know who anyone was unless she looked at her picture albumn`
`04:34.09`	`mogorman`	`i figure most peole will live to 150 these days`
`04:34.19`	`tzanger`	`a nevermind? I didn't know those were flammable`
`04:34.20`	`justinu`	`not me`
`04:34.23`	`justinu`	`blitz: that's fun too`
`04:34.55`	`blitzrage`	`mogorman: I figure we'll eventually live forever once we figure out how to move our thought processes outside of these fragile bodies`
`04:35.12`	`blitzrage`	`now the real question is -- can a human mind actually live forever without going insane`
`04:35.20`	`tzanger`	`perfect example`
`04:35.26`	`tzanger`	`Dear customer,`
`04:35.26`	`tzanger`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:35.26`	`tzanger`	`Here?s a note of scheduled downtime for our Toronto POP. The outage is schedule for tonight 00:00 to 4:00,`
`04:35.30`	`dudes`	`mogorman - my mom had a friend who only ate healthy, jogged every day, never smoked or drank`
`04:35.37`	`dudes`	`she died before she was even 40`
`04:35.41`	`drray`	`I think the limits that death place on us are actually good for society`
`04:35.49`	`mogorman`	`it happens`
`04:35.53`	`mogorman`	`period`
`04:35.55`	`blitzrage`	`same here`
`04:35.59`	`dudes`	`I figure god has a target on our heads ... so live and enjoy`
`04:36.01`	`mogorman`	`but so does getting hit by a bus`
`04:36.06`	`mogorman`	`but im not gonna walk in front of them`
`04:36.07`	`tzanger`	`My 25 year old friend died from cancer a few years ago :-(`
`04:36.10`	`mogorman`	`at least on purpose`
`04:36.11`	`blitzrage`	`don't even get me started on god being a factor`
`04:36.18`	`justinu`	`tzanger: that's rough`
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`04:36.49`	`drray`	`the reason that lifespans are longer on average are because western civilization has knocked down the numbers of children kicking off by imunizations..`
`04:36.53`	`mogorman`	`thats like saying i someone get shot so im gonna play russian roullete`
`04:37.25`	`dudes`	`Crash test dummies - at my funeral says it all I think`
`04:37.43`	`drray`	`dudes - I don't care that you don't mind?`
`04:38.06`	`dudes`	`drray - huh?`
`04:38.09`	`blitzrage`	`I wouldn't mind living forever -- civilization interests me greatly`
`04:38.13`	`drray`	`a song of theirs`
`04:38.23`	`blitzrage`	`especially since I don't believe in life after death`
`04:38.48`	`coppice`	`drray: actually, civil engineering is the main reason we live longer. medicine has helped surprisingly little`
`04:39.40`	`tzanger`	`coppice: water treatment and septic systems?`
`04:39.49`	`coppice`	`yep`
`04:40.07`	`dudes`	`not to mention horses and buggies`
`04:40.08`	`tzanger`	`and most importantly, keeping the two separate?`
`04:40.11`	`blitzrage`	`too bad we're reversing the advantages by dumping chemicals into the water`
`04:40.18`	`justinu`	`i want to buy a miniature horse`
`04:40.34`	`ManxPower`	`justinu, wait 10 years, you can order one custom made.`
`04:40.41`	`justinu`	`i want one now`
`04:40.51`	`justinu`	`i need to find out if it's legal here`
`04:41.10`	`dudes`	`I want a monkey`
`04:41.10`	`drray`	`I'd wait for them to actually clone something first`
`04:41.12`	`justinu`	`why?`
`04:41.17`	`ManxPower`	`You realize that all a horse is, is a machine to turn horse food into horse shit, right?`
`04:41.22`	`justinu`	`yes`
`04:41.28`	`justinu`	`but it's cute`
`04:41.30`	`tzanger`	`ManxPower: yes but that's where we get horse power`
`04:41.41`	`tzanger`	`one of the highschool teachers here breeds minitature horeses`
`04:42.03`	`blitzrage`	`what about miniature whoreses?`
`04:42.04`	`justinu`	`i wonder what he charges for them`
`04:42.09`	`drray`	`fedex`
`04:42.12`	`drray`	`:)`
`04:42.33`	`justinu`	`i'd pay to have my cat cloned`
`04:42.43`	`tzanger`	`I wouldn't`
`04:42.48`	`tzanger`	`this guy farts something awful`
`04:42.51`	`justinu`	`BUT only if they can edit out the puke gene`
`04:43.06`	`drray`	`I'd like to see them vat grow meat so I could get a steak without getting dirty looks`
`04:43.12`	`coppice`	`blitzrage: what are you looking for? a handy pocket sized hooker?`
`04:43.18`	`justinu`	`drray: it'll happen`
`04:43.21`	`blitzrage`	`coppice: lol!`
`04:43.29`	`drray`	`I think coppice is on to something there`
`04:43.31`	`tzanger`	`drray: I like the signs that say "I'm eating three times the meat I'd normally eat for every vegetarian that complains"`
`04:43.48`	`tzanger`	`coppice: nah he wants an eight inch pianist`
`04:43.59`	`drray`	`I eat less meat as I get older (just don't want it as often)`
`04:44.36`	`JonR800`	`it's called declining testosterone`
`04:44.46`	`ManxPower`	`I can eat meat as long as I keep the image of a slaughter house out of my mind.`
`04:44.51`	`drray`	`thank god for that`
`04:44.59`	`tzanger`	`ManxPower: hmm doesn't bother me in the slightest`
`04:45.03`	`drray`	`I'll never take a pill to make me hornier`
`04:45.14`	`tzanger`	`kill chickens and eat them the same night`
`04:45.17`	`JonR800`	`less sex, less meat, less anger`
`04:45.22`	`drray`	`more money`
`04:45.26`	`JonR800`	`that too`
`04:45.27`	`tzanger`	`or eat while watching surgeries on tv`
`04:45.34`	`linlin`	`im eating cheese with bacon BUILT IN!!`
`04:45.50`	`justinu`	`hey jon`
`04:45.52`	`ManxPower`	`tzanger, I suspect I could do that too.`
`04:45.57`	`JonR800`	`sup justinu`
`04:46.00`	`coppice`	`I thought it was more sex, less anger.`
`04:46.03`	`ManxPower`	`The watching surgeries.`
`04:46.27`	`blitzrage`	`tzanger: you do that too?`
`04:46.29`	`JonR800`	`coppice: that's the midlife crisis stage.. not sure who's at that`
`04:46.29`	`ManxPower`	`I have learned not to eat dinner during the first 15 mins of CSI.`
`04:46.30`	`drray`	`I don't get the 18 year olds taking viagra`
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`04:46.46`	`tzanger`	`ManxPower: that stuff just doesn't bother me`
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`04:46.54`	`dudes`	`drray - that's messed up`
`04:46.58`	`coppice`	`JonR800: all I know is no sex really pisses me off`
`04:46.58`	`justinu`	`i just bought an s2000, does that count?`
`04:46.59`	`dudes`	`Why!`
`04:47.12`	`blitzrage`	`coppice: lol`
`04:47.33`	`JonR800`	`coppice: agreed.`
`04:47.57`	`tzanger`	`coppice: amen`
`04:48.19`	`JonR800`	`justinu: i think that counts, once you leave the crisis, i'll buy it off you ;)`
`04:48.28`	`justinu`	`lol`
`04:48.41`	`shido6`	`is there a turbo on the s2k /`
`04:48.45`	`justinu`	`no`
`04:48.57`	`dudes`	`what's s2k`
`04:49.06`	`shido6`	`nitrous?`
`04:49.17`	`dudes`	`NO2`
`04:49.18`	`shido6`	`blower/supercharger ?`
`04:49.20`	`shido6`	`lowered?`
`04:49.24`	`justinu`	`no, mine's stock`
`04:49.24`	`shido6`	`wing?`
`04:49.26`	`shido6`	`body kit?`
`04:49.33`	`justinu`	`i like it how it is`
`04:49.37`	`shido6`	`dood - did you swap out the radio ?`
`04:49.40`	`justinu`	`top always down, too`
`04:49.43`	`shido6`	`stock?`
`04:49.45`	`justinu`	`no, it's stock too... i don't use it`
`04:49.54`	`justinu`	`i listen to the engine`
`04:50.08`	`dudes`	`I hate loud cars`
`04:50.08`	`shido6`	`ebaymotors`
`04:50.10`	`shido6`	`and sell it`
`04:50.17`	`justinu`	`i like it`
`04:50.21`	`shido6`	`it doesnt have to be loud, dudes`
`04:50.25`	`mogorman`	`i have like 20 bucks`
`04:50.27`	`dudes`	`no shit`
`04:50.48`	`shido6`	`dynamat and a decent muffler will take care of that`
`04:50.50`	`blitzrage`	`dude... that car is stocked!`
`04:50.55`	`blitzrage`	`its stocked out!`
`04:51.08`	`dudes`	`My trep is stock`
`04:51.13`	`dudes`	`so is my cutlass`
`04:51.25`	`blitzrage`	`my 84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham is stock`
`04:51.33`	`dudes`	`I got a 73' GMC that is though`
`04:51.38`	`dudes`	`but it only has 86K on body`
`04:51.45`	`justinu`	`lol, brougham is da shizzle`
`04:51.52`	`blitzrage`	`I love that car -- its pimpin'`
`04:52.13`	`dudes`	`My trep has a huge backseat`
`04:52.17`	`blitzrage`	`if I get it restored, I'm recovering the seats in velvet`
`04:52.37`	`blitzrage`	`backseat in the bougham is awesome -- its like a couch back there`
`04:52.38`	`dudes`	`Women compliment it from time to time`
`04:52.50`	`blitzrage`	`dudes: lol -- ditto`
`04:52.52`	`justinu`	`lol`
`04:52.59`	`ManxPower`	`dudes, "My, what a big back seat you have!"?`
`04:52.59`	`coppice`	`blitzrage: you sound like a candidate for pimp my wheels`
`04:53.09`	`justinu`	`my car has no back seat`
`04:53.14`	`dudes`	`I normally try it as a pickup line`
`04:53.20`	`dudes`	`Hey, I got a HUGE backseat`
`04:53.22`	`dudes`	`haha`
`04:53.25`	`blitzrage`	`coppice: I hate that show -- pure cosmetics...`
`04:53.44`	`blitzrage`	`now Overhaulin' -- different story`
`04:53.46`	`ManxPower`	`My car is nice, boring, and reliable`
`04:54.04`	`dudes`	`I have three to pick up where one fucks up`
`04:54.06`	`blitzrage`	`I don't even drive anymore -- going to get a motorcycle this summer I think though`
`04:54.11`	`dudes`	`But my trep is a beast (except a tranny)`
`04:54.21`	`justinu`	`i used to have a gsx600`
`04:54.23`	`justinu`	`that was fun`
`04:54.28`	`coppice`	`i like living in a place where nobody has a car`
`04:54.43`	`blitzrage`	`wow... this channel has gone from kids, to guns, to cars tonight :)`
`04:55.01`	`ManxPower`	`coppice, I got my first car about 2 months ago. Sort of need one now.`
`04:55.02`	`dudes`	`Glad I missed the kids talk`
`04:55.06`	`ManxPower`	`It's 10 miles to the nearest store.`
`04:55.19`	`blitzrage`	`pfft.. you can run 10 miles in less than an hour :)`
`04:55.20`	`justinu`	`i'd love to not need a car`
`04:55.27`	`coppice`	`blitzrage: you never know. we might even discuss telecoms`
`04:55.31`	`justinu`	`but driving in a roadster is fun, even you if you need a hat and scarf`
`04:55.42`	`blitzrage`	`coppice: oh yah... we discussed PRI's for about 15 mins earlier :)`
`04:55.50`	`coppice`	`justinu: move here. :-)`
`04:56.00`	`justinu`	`where's here?`
`04:56.25`	`coppice`	`discovery bay, HK. a town with no cars`
`04:56.40`	`ManxPower`	`coppice, they are not allowed?`
`04:57.07`	`justinu`	`oh, cool. i was in kowloon earlier this year`
`04:57.14`	`coppice`	`you get here through a tunnel or by ferry. private cars are not allowed through`
`04:57.25`	`justinu`	`loved kowloon`
`04:58.00`	`SarahEmm`	`anyone here know of anyone else that uses 's TTY functionality? i find it hard to beleive i'm the only* one...`
`04:58.09`	`coppice`	`cars are optional, but undesirable, in kowloon. here they just aren't allowed`
`04:58.31`	`trixter`	`its the inverse here`
`04:58.32`	`justinu`	`next time i'm over, i'll ring you up :P`
`04:59.00`	`trixter`	`nearest grocery, gas station, whatever 10 miles.. there is a bus stop there but you have to call ahead and schedule it and if they dont make it oh well try again tomorrow`
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`05:00.50`	`blitzrage`	`alright... off to bed -- big day of celebrating new years tomorrow :)`
`05:00.54`	`Mat_alt`	`Hey all!`
`05:00.57`	`justinu`	`laterz`
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`05:01.14`	`Mat_alt`	`Anyone around that may be able to help?`
`05:01.33`	`justinu`	`100 bucks an hour ;)`
`05:01.40`	`PManti1`	`I getting a bunch of these errors in my log every day:`
`05:01.41`	`PManti1`	`Power alarm on module 4, resetting!`
`05:02.53`	`SarahEmm`	`which log, PManti1? what card/device?`
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`05:03.48`	`PManti1`	`SarahEmm: /ver/log/messages from a TDM400 device. I have 2 cards in the server`
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`05:04.26`	`SarahEmm`	`you have the molex connected i assume?`
`05:05.44`	`PManti1`	`SarahEmm: LOL yeah, absolutely. This server is my only source of phone service in my house.`
`05:05.57`	`SarahEmm`	`ahh`
`05:06.09`	`SarahEmm`	`from a quick google it looks like a lot of people get them, and they're fairly normal`
`05:06.09`	`justinu`	`maybe your PSU is eating it`
`05:06.12`	`SarahEmm`	`are they causing issues?`
`05:07.02`	`PManti1`	`Well, my wife is loosing calls`
`05:07.14`	`mogorman`	`eep`
`05:07.43`	`justinu`	`hah`
`05:07.47`	`justinu`	`run for the hills`
`05:08.07`	`SarahEmm`	`are you sure it's related? is she losing calls at the times the events are in the log?`
`05:08.44`	`PManti1`	`out of nowhere, the calls are dropping, or... sometimes, the calls don't disconnect, but she looses audio in one direction`
`05:09.33`	`PManti1`	`SarahEmm: I don't know for sure... but my daughter also looses MOH during the night.`
`05:09.56`	`SarahEmm`	`hrm.`
`05:10.00`	`SarahEmm`	`it may be completely unrelated tho...`
`05:10.09`	`SarahEmm`	`any possibility to see if they're at the same times?`
`05:10.17`	`SarahEmm`	`have you talked to digium yet?`
`05:11.00`	`PManti1`	`SarahEmm: She's slept to music since she was born... we wore out a few CD players. MOH has been the no-moving-parts solution. heh`
`05:11.09`	`PManti1`	`SarahEmm: No, haven't called Digium`
`05:11.28`	`ManxPower`	`PManti1, are you using callprogress=yes or busydetect=yes`
`05:11.47`	`PManti1`	`ManxPower: in zapata?`
`05:11.53`	`ManxPower`	`They should both be renamed randomlydisconnectmycalls=yes`
`05:12.07`	`ManxPower`	`PManti1, correct`
`05:12.49`	`coppice`	`you'd think someone would find that a problem and fix it :-)`
`05:12.51`	`SarahEmm`	`lol ManxPower`
`05:13.04`	`SarahEmm`	`there's no easy way to do CPD on POTS lines coppice.`
`05:13.13`	`coppice`	`wrong`
`05:13.18`	`ManxPower`	`coppice, you're one of the few people around that is actually qualified to try to fix it.`
`05:13.26`	`coppice`	`there is no clean and efficient way`
`05:13.26`	`SarahEmm`	`coppice: how?`
`05:13.29`	`SarahEmm`	`ahhh.`
`05:13.30`	`SarahEmm`	`nods :)`
`05:13.42`	`SarahEmm`	`is there any way other than tone detection?`
`05:13.56`	`ManxPower`	`coppice, how much would it cost to have you try to fix it?`
`05:14.05`	`coppice`	`reliable disconnect is entirely possible, through reliable answer detect is not`
`05:14.14`	`SarahEmm`	`oh, sure`
`05:14.25`	`SarahEmm`	`if your telco does disconnect supervision it's just an electrical thing :)`
`05:15.08`	`coppice`	`disconnect on tone can be 100% reliable`
`05:15.47`	`SarahEmm`	`oh? but it's inband.. that tone played during the call would cause a hangup`
`05:16.15`	`PManti1`	`ManxPower: I did have busydetect on... but I ONLY have FXS ports.`
`05:16.29`	`ManxPower`	`PManti1, turn it off`
`05:16.38`	`PManti1`	`ManxPower: I did. :)`
`05:16.45`	`ManxPower`	`and restarted Asterisk?`
`05:17.04`	`PManti1`	`reload`
`05:17.19`	`ManxPower`	`PManti1, what version of Asterisk?`
`05:17.28`	`PManti1`	`Is zapata part of the reload ?`
`05:17.31`	`PManti1`	`1.2.1`
`05:17.45`	`ManxPower`	`PManti1, 1.2.x should reload correctly for that`
`05:17.51`	`ManxPower`	`but if you want to be sure, stop and start`
`05:17.59`	`ManxPower`	`or unload chan_zap.so / load chan_zap.so`
`05:18.18`	`coppice`	`ok, then 99.999% reliably if you want to be more precise. nothing like busy tone ever ocurs in a real call`
`05:18.38`	`PManti1`	`That would disconnect my daughter's MOH. :)`
`05:19.03`	`ManxPower`	`PManti1, is the MoH stopped or is the call simply terminated?`
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`05:19.46`	`ManxPower`	`I guess I should walk the dogbeast and get to bed soon`
`05:21.33`	`mogorman`	`heh that would be an awaesome feature ManxPower`
`05:21.35`	`mogorman`	`but it should be in res_features.conf`
`05:21.50`	`PManti1`	`ManxPower: I have a few reliability problems... some disconnected calls, and sometimes MOH stops on my daughter's line, no tones, just dead`
`05:22.11`	`mogorman`	`ping`
`05:22.12`	`SarahEmm`	`is it MOH stopping, or the call itself dropping?`
`05:23.46`	`PManti1`	`SarahEmm: I'm not sure there's a difference here. It's a local Zaptel FXS port. No "beep, beep, beep", no dialtone, etc.. we just go in her room at night to check on her, and notice there's no music.`
`05:24.13`	`PManti1`	`So, no way for us to know when it stopped.`
`05:24.43`	`SarahEmm`	`have you tried turning up the * verbosity?`
`05:24.53`	`SarahEmm`	`then checking asterisk's logs in the morning to see what happened?`
`05:25.00`	`PManti1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:25.23`	`SarahEmm`	`or set verbose <#> in the cli`
`05:25.33`	`SarahEmm`	`i'm not sure what those 'd's are for... the 'v's are verbosity yeah`
`05:25.44`	`SarahEmm`	`i've been out of the * world for a few months so i may not be completely up to date :)`
`05:26.29`	`PManti1`	`SarahEmm: debug?`
`05:26.40`	`coppice`	`SarahEmm: all the main problems are still there. you just need to catch up on the new ones :-)`
`05:26.54`	`PManti1`	`heh`
`05:27.12`	`SarahEmm`	`lol`
`05:27.17`	`SarahEmm`	`i'm about to dig into code again :/`
`05:27.44`	`PManti1`	`What's a good verbosity level?`
`05:27.51`	`PManti1`	`5, 50, 500?`
`05:28.07`	`SarahEmm`	`50 or above i'm fairly sure is the same :)`
`05:28.13`	`ManxPower`	`PManti1, 3`
`05:28.15`	`SarahEmm`	`personally i'd set 99`
`05:28.19`	`SarahEmm`	`but i'm weird`
`05:28.26`	`PManti1`	`Ugh, broadvoice seems to really suck`
`05:28.29`	`SarahEmm`	`coppice: hopefully there are no new ones in the areas i work on :)`
`05:28.49`	`PManti1`	`*CLI> set verbose 99`
`05:28.49`	`PManti1`	`Verbosity was 17 and is now 99`
`05:28.52`	`PManti1`	`heh`
`05:29.10`	`coppice`	`SarahEmm: its good to live in hope`
`05:29.14`	`PManti1`	`I didn't know Asterisk logged to a file`
`05:29.19`	`SarahEmm`	`coppice: lol.`
`05:29.45`	`SarahEmm`	`coppice: i don't think anyone else uses this area, nor do any other developers directly work on it :) so i'm likely safe-ish`
`05:29.50`	`PManti1`	`Ahh`
`05:29.52`	`SarahEmm`	`except nobody tests it after changes in realted areas wither`
`05:30.02`	`PManti1`	`neat, /var/log/asterisk/messages`
`05:30.19`	`PManti1`	`6mb file!!`
`05:31.21`	`coppice`	`SarahEmm: that probably means your bit will now be totally incompatible with the rest :-)`
`05:31.32`	`SarahEmm`	`lol`
`05:31.37`	`SarahEmm`	`hopefully not :)`
`05:31.44`	`SarahEmm`	`i'm already tempted to just buy a hardware device and forget about this :P`
`05:31.50`	`SarahEmm`	`every time i try to use it there's more bugs to fix`
`05:32.14`	`PManti1`	`SarahEmm: Bugs? This doesn't give me warm fuzzies about recommending * to clients.`
`05:32.39`	`coppice`	`you haven't seen the bugs in a typical VoIP hardware device, then`
`05:32.47`	`SarahEmm`	`PManti1: it's not a commonly used bit of code. if you're using * for voice comms, this is unrelated.`
`05:32.56`	`SarahEmm`	`coppice: heh.`
`05:33.24`	`PManti1`	`SarahEmm: Wheeew`
`05:34.00`	`SarahEmm`	`heh`
`05:34.11`	`SarahEmm`	`i've yet to find a single other person using this code.`
`05:34.20`	`SarahEmm`	`lots of people have been emailing me to ask me to fix it and document it tho.`
`05:34.22`	`SarahEmm`	`i wish i had time.`
`05:34.35`	`coppice`	`what is it you use?`
`05:34.59`	`SarahEmm`	`the TTY end of things`
`05:35.07`	`SarahEmm`	`* has theoretical support`
`05:35.26`	`coppice`	`TTY? you mean the stuff for the deaf?`
`05:35.29`	`PManti1`	`SarahEmm: Ok, I have to ask... what is this code for?? :)`
`05:35.37`	`SarahEmm`	`PManti1: TTY communication.`
`05:35.52`	`SarahEmm`	`coppice: nods (among other groups)`
`05:36.27`	`PManti1`	`Ahh, ok`
`05:36.45`	`coppice`	`that's really messy in *. I have a clean implementation of TDD, which should soon be properly available to the world.`
`05:36.50`	`PManti1`	`wibbles ? heh`
`05:37.04`	`SarahEmm`	`coppice: yeah. i've been fixing random bugs in it for awhile and it's still not reliably working.`
`05:37.10`	`SarahEmm`	`coppice: implementation in *? or what?`
`05:38.51`	`coppice`	`not actually in , as my code is GPL. it works with , though`
`05:39.43`	`SarahEmm`	`wooooooooooooo!`
`05:39.55`	`SarahEmm`	`i'd love to be able to use that.`
`05:40.05`	`SarahEmm`	`any ETA? ;)`
`05:40.44`	`coppice`	`RSN`
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`05:43.57`	`SarahEmm`	`coppice: okay :)`
`05:44.25`	`SarahEmm`	`PMantis: if it does come out, yeah. for a long time i've wanted to be able to set up an IP -> TTY gateway so i can make calls from within or outside the house via IP interfaces instead of relying on hardware TTYs :)`
`05:44.41`	`SarahEmm`	`so far i've been working on * for months and still don't have the TTY stuff reliable tho`
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`05:49.56`	`coppice`	`what interfaces do you use? analogue, PRI, etc?`
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`05:50.22`	`SarahEmm`	`me?`
`05:50.28`	`coppice`	`yep`
`05:50.32`	`SarahEmm`	`one IAX2 one POTS`
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`06:16.39`	`mrdigital`	`is anyone in here likes to write stuff all the time?`
`06:17.10`	`SarahEmm`	`'write stuff'?`
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`06:18.21`	`LostFrog`	`I like to write manifestos.`
`06:18.55`	`LostFrog`	`Does that count?`
`06:19.29`	`coppice`	`code? documentation? works of fiction (project schedules)?`
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`06:20.16`	`LostFrog`	`Ewww.. Not project schedules.`
`06:20.36`	`LostFrog`	`That's like work, that is.`
`06:23.03`	`coppice`	`Stephen King should be a wizz with project schedules - lots of scary stuff, which is completely unreal, and totally forgetable`
`06:25.33`	`Beirdo`	`and often involves killing the boss?`
`06:27.38`	`SarahEmm`	`Beirdo! ltos!`
`06:27.51`	`Beirdo`	`heya, SarahEmm`
`06:27.55`	`Beirdo`	`you are EVIL! :)`
`06:27.57`	`Beirdo`	`heheh`
`06:28.02`	`SarahEmm`	`puzzlepirates still?`
`06:28.11`	`Beirdo`	`we own one of every stall on DN on Viridian`
`06:28.18`	`Beirdo`	`and one on Terra`
`06:28.19`	`SarahEmm`	`lol`
`06:28.27`	`SarahEmm`	`sorry! ;)`
`06:28.31`	`Beirdo`	`no prob`
`06:28.33`	`Beirdo`	`it's fun`
`06:28.46`	`Beirdo`	`and I have 2 sloops and a merch brig`
`06:28.56`	`soundguy`	`what is error 127?`
`06:29.03`	`soundguy`	`(when starting safe_asterisk)`
`06:29.03`	`Beirdo`	`my fiancee has a sloop and a cutter, her brother a sloop and a war brig`
`06:29.10`	`Beirdo`	`we are just a bit addicted`
`06:29.21`	`SarahEmm`	`lol`
`06:29.35`	`SarahEmm`	`paste the full error soundguy?`
`06:30.42`	`Beirdo`	`it's fun, but tiring`
`06:30.42`	`Beirdo`	`our weavery has 5 KB in it now...`
`06:30.49`	`soundguy`	`Asterisk died with code 127.`
`06:31.03`	`soundguy`	`Automatically restarting Asterisk.`
`06:31.07`	`soundguy`	`then just goes around in circles`
`06:31.13`	`soundguy`	`when i start it normally it is fine`
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`06:31.19`	`SarahEmm`	`what's in the * log?`
`06:31.55`	`soundguy`	`what one?`
`06:32.01`	`SarahEmm`	`err.. the asterisk log`
`06:32.08`	`soundguy`	`theres about 4 :P`
`06:32.12`	`SarahEmm`	`oh`
`06:32.15`	`mogorman`	`\|gnite my friends`
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`06:32.18`	`SarahEmm`	`well, you've checked all for errors?`
`06:32.23`	`soundguy`	`yeah`
`06:32.26`	`soundguy`	`doesnt put anything in it`
`06:32.30`	`soundguy`	`in messages`
`06:32.35`	`soundguy`	`(/var/log/asterisk/messages)`
`06:32.36`	`SarahEmm`	`ahh :/`
`06:32.40`	`soundguy`	`just stuff from when i started previously`
`06:33.30`	`mrdigital`	`LostFrog: pm?`
`06:34.27`	`Tekmaven`	`gosh, i love asterisk`
`06:34.27`	`Tekmaven`	`lol`
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`06:34.36`	`soundguy`	`any ideas?`
`06:35.49`	`linlin`	`what are some options i have for putting someone on hold if im using a phone with no hold button`
`06:36.30`	`mrdigital`	`linlin: theres a button like *4 or something can be pressed to put on hold`
`06:36.31`	`linlin`	`they are not IP phones, they are phones plugged into sipura SPA2000's, so they cant really send much signals to asterisk other than DTMF tones im assuming`
`06:36.37`	`linlin`	`hm ok`
`06:36.59`	`linlin`	`thats setup by default?`
`06:37.12`	`mrdigital`	`i dunno`
`06:37.19`	`mrdigital`	`SarahEmm: pm?`
`06:40.16`	`SarahEmm`	`err`
`06:40.19`	`SarahEmm`	`PM About what?`
`06:42.28`	`mrdigital`	`an opinion`
`06:44.13`	`SarahEmm`	`sure`
`06:48.30`	`Tekmaven`	`umm`
`06:48.32`	`Tekmaven`	`"shit"`
`06:48.35`	`Tekmaven`	`Dec 31 01:47:56 NOTICE[30185]: chan_iax2.c:7243 socket_read: Rejected connect attempt from 192.168.5.200, requested/capability 0x4/0x24 incompatible with our capability 0xff03.`
`06:49.00`	`Tekmaven`	`that is Asterisk 1.2.1 connecting to an IAXy`
`06:49.17`	`justinu`	`get rid of the iaxy`
`06:49.39`	`benjk`	`probably incompatible codecs`
`06:50.19`	`Tekmaven`	`gah`
`06:50.41`	`Tekmaven`	`three months ago, you guys reccomended going with the iaxy`
`06:50.41`	`Tekmaven`	`over the sshit $50 thing i was going to buy`
`06:50.59`	`benjk`	`IAXy is ok`
`06:51.03`	`justinu`	`me? i would never have said such a thing`
`06:51.13`	`drray`	`I like the Iaxy`
`06:51.33`	`justinu`	`what kind of an internet device doesn't have a DNS client?`
`06:51.49`	`benjk`	`true`
`06:52.13`	`drray`	`my Iaxy has been bulletproof the past 8 months that it's been driving a payphone`
`06:52.24`	`benjk`	`the IAXy is also desperately in need of zeroconf`
`06:52.31`	`Tekmaven`	`sweet, it was a codec problem`
`06:52.52`	`drray`	`I wish they'd expand teh Iaxy`
`06:52.57`	`benjk`	`but once you've set it up, it's solid`
`06:52.59`	`drray`	`marry it with a router`
`06:52.59`	`justinu`	`drray: i just hope your pbx IP doesn't change :P`
`06:53.53`	`Tekmaven`	`yeahg, thats crappy`
`06:54.01`	`Tekmaven`	`the iaxy should be able to do hostname resolution`
`06:54.16`	`drray`	`my iaxy is behind a firewall/router the pbx ip will always be 10.0.0.10`
`06:54.22`	`benjk`	`it should also be able to do link-local addresses`
`06:54.46`	`SarahEmm`	`sure`
`06:54.50`	`SarahEmm`	`oops`
`06:54.50`	`Tekmaven`	`well, for what it is, its pretty good`
`06:54.51`	`mrdigital`	`has anyone installed Asterisk on a linksys router?`
`06:55.07`	`Tekmaven`	`actually, one problem i have is that its volume is too loud`
`06:55.09`	`Tekmaven`	`and i cant lower it`
`06:55.10`	`benjk`	`and it should probably advertise itself with a browser based setup service`
`06:55.13`	`drray`	`has anyone got the fxs ports working under OpenWRT yet?`
`06:55.16`	`Tekmaven`	`i dotn know how to?`
`06:57.15`	`drray`	`you understand an IAxy has a tiny amount of space for firmware?`
`06:58.40`	`coppice`	`drray: does openwrt run on boxes with the FXS ports?`
`06:58.44`	`justinu`	`dns is a pretty lightweight protocol to implement`
`06:59.29`	`Tekmaven`	`maybe it should have a little more ;)`
`06:59.29`	`Tekmaven`	`anyways guys, im going to pack it in`
`07:00.16`	`drray`	`coppice - I dunno, that's what I was asking`
`07:00.53`	`coppice`	`are they still only selling those boxes through voip providers?`
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`07:25.27`	`yxa`	`what's wrong with iaxy? although i feel they should include gsm`
`07:26.18`	`Qwell[]`	`iaxy is decent`
`07:26.46`	`coppice`	`the iaxy hardware cannot do gsm`
`07:27.18`	`yxa`	`then i guess its still decent`
`07:27.44`	`Qwell[]`	`It's not the worst VoIP device, by any stretch of the imagination`
`07:27.51`	`Qwell[]`	`That award goes to Grandstream...`
`07:28.12`	`coppice`	`there are far worse things than grandstream`
`07:28.32`	`Qwell[]`	`coppice: I meant besides highly proprietary solutions (ala Nortel)`
`07:29.05`	`coppice`	`by general industry standards grandstream are pretty good`
`07:29.18`	`Qwell[]`	`simply because they can actually boot?`
`07:29.37`	`Qwell[]`	`and heaven forbid, complete a call?`
`07:29.38`	`coppice`	`well, that puts them ahead of some stuff`
`07:29.48`	`Qwell[]`	`I suppose so`
`07:30.45`	`coppice`	`people seem to find their T.38 works. there are plenty of things now with say the do T.38 which do not even contain any form of T.38 implementation`
`07:31.08`	`Qwell[]`	`nice`
`07:33.26`	`coppice`	`I have a planet VP160 which won an award for its FAX support, and has t.38 all over the box. it doesn't do t.38`
`07:34.36`	`drray`	`the grandstream works for what you pay for it`
`07:35.22`	`drray`	`I'd dare say the budgetone 101 outperforms any 802.11b wifi phone`
`07:36.20`	`drray`	`which is a damn shame`
`07:37.47`	`Exiles`	`lol`
`07:38.11`	`Qwell[]`	`Are there any voip fax machines?`
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`07:39.03`	`zmi`	`is there a way to use the same inbound DID for Fax and Voice correctly?`
`07:39.14`	`zmi`	`and whats the variable or whatnot to change codecs on the fly in the middle of a call?`
`07:39.27`	`Qwell[]`	`zmi: You can't change codecs mid call`
`07:39.32`	`zmi`	`ah`
`07:39.36`	`zmi`	`i thought there was a way to do it`
`07:39.53`	`zmi`	`is tehre a way say i forwarded my cell to my * server, can i just send it right back?`
`07:39.58`	`coppice`	`Qwell: there are a number of high end fax machines with an RJ45. they tend not to obey standards properly, though`
`07:39.59`	`zmi`	`if i dont wanna answer the specific number?`
`07:40.09`	`zmi`	`well`
`07:40.50`	`Qwell[]`	`coppice: lame`
`07:41.03`	`zmi`	`hehe`
`07:41.09`	`zmi`	`hmm`
`07:41.16`	`zmi`	`i couldve swore i saw a codec change on the fly`
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`07:41.21`	`zmi`	`besides what i read when i do playback etc`
`07:41.35`	`zmi`	`or maybe its just the servers codec trans eh?`
`07:41.41`	`Qwell[]`	`That's transcoding`
`07:42.15`	`coppice`	`zmi: codecs can change on the fly in some circumstances. SIP reinvites can do that`
`07:42.33`	`Qwell[]`	`That isn't really "on the fly" though. That's practically a whole new call.`
`07:43.16`	`zmi`	`ohh`
`07:43.18`	`zmi`	`a sip reinvite`
`07:43.19`	`zmi`	`so`
`07:43.29`	`zmi`	`would it be decently possible to do a reinvite to myself to get a fax?`
`07:43.33`	`zmi`	`change from one to g711>`
`07:43.49`	`zmi`	`(i control the above isp also before my own set)`
`07:44.05`	`coppice`	`Qwell: its how FAX calls change to T.38.`
`07:44.20`	`Qwell[]`	`I suppose so`
`07:44.33`	`zmi`	`so`
`07:44.39`	`zmi`	`hmm`
`07:44.43`	`zmi`	`how do i detect if its fax in the first place?`
`07:44.49`	`zmi`	`i know i need to use h323 and t38modem`
`07:45.59`	`[av]bani`	`which is the best for fax support in *? spandsp or that iaxmodem thingy?`
`07:46.19`	`zmi`	`yeah im curious too`
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`07:47.09`	`coppice`	`[av]bani: that iaxmodem thingy also uses spandsp. which is best depends on what you are trying to do.`
`07:47.41`	`[av]bani`	`reliable fax reception ;)`
`07:49.02`	`Qwell[]`	`[av]bani: Get a dedicated analog fax line`
`07:49.11`	`[av]bani`	`:P`
`07:49.19`	`[av]bani`	`then whats the point of spandsp and iaxmodem :P`
`07:49.28`	`coppice`	`iaxmodem lets you use spandsp's modems to interface with hylafax. spandsp used with app_rxfax or app_txfax is a standalone fax machine. reliability really depends on getting you system working properly, and not on these apps at all`
`07:49.50`	`Qwell[]`	`[av]bani: well, how "reliable" do you want it to be?`
`07:50.04`	`coppice`	`thousands of people use spandsp for high volume faxing. only a few use iaxmodem, as its fairly new`
`07:50.28`	`coppice`	`large numbers of people complain about spandsp, because their setup is broken`
`07:51.12`	`coppice`	`strangely, some of those keep installing every new update to spandsp, like it might magically fix their broken setup`
`07:51.14`	`[av]bani`	`so i guess the question is, is hylafax or app_rxfax more reliabnle`
`07:51.16`	`[av]bani`	`reliable`
`07:52.42`	`coppice`	`I just said. the reliability is an issue of your installation of * itself being OK. hylafax has more features than spandsp right now. reliability should be about the same`
`07:52.44`	`[av]bani`	`hylafax works pretty well with real faxmodems...`
`07:53.44`	`coppice`	`hylafax world pretty well with iaxmodem. the main developer of hylafax is using it`
`07:54.15`	`coppice`	`actually, he is the one who wrote iaxmodem to make use of spandsp for this`
`07:54.54`	`coppice`	`and his main motivation is because the hardware fax modems cause him so much trouble`
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`07:59.13`	`zmi`	`any asterisk workers here?`
`07:59.23`	`zmi`	`may have f0ond a bug that gave me anotehr companies DID`
`07:59.35`	`zmi`	`i just emailed support`
`07:59.44`	`Corydon76-home`	`File a bug report`
`07:59.54`	`zmi`	`hehe`
`08:00.07`	`zmi`	`its more or less like i dont want that DID i ordered to be someone elses therefore they lose some calls`
`08:00.10`	`zmi`	`:-P`
`08:00.13`	`Corydon76-home`	`http://bugs.digium.com`
`08:00.14`	`zmi`	`so was trying to find someoen awake`
`08:00.15`	`Qwell[]`	`Sounds like an issue with the provider`
`08:00.18`	`zmi`	`but will do that`
`08:00.40`	`zmi`	`well awhile back they manually removed a DID to fix something on my acct. and i just for the first time re-ordered`
`08:00.47`	`zmi`	`i think its just an issue because the old one doesnt exist`
`08:00.51`	`Corydon76-home`	`Yeah, it does sound like an issue with the provider`
`08:00.51`	`Qwell[]`	`Who is "they"?`
`08:01.11`	`zmi`	`Nufone`
`08:01.14`	`zmi`	`err im so sorry`
`08:01.20`	`zmi`	`i completely forgot to mention this hehe`
`08:02.02`	`Qwell[]`	`not really a "bug" either`
`08:02.06`	`coppice`	`I guess "they" is the "they" who causes everyone's troubles.`
`08:02.07`	`Qwell[]`	`more of a "oops, we gave you an old DID"`
`08:02.57`	`pakipenguin`	`hey wasim`
`08:03.00`	`pakipenguin`	`good morning :)`
`08:03.03`	`pakipenguin`	`good afternoon even`
`08:03.50`	`zmi`	`im sure its not a bug but`
`08:04.01`	`zmi`	`i'd like them to not let it go throug the system whenever the DB updates, or provisions automatically`
`08:04.13`	`zmi`	`or whatnot, the possibility of someone losing some business calls over it`
`08:04.33`	`zmi`	`qwell: oh so its a old did?`
`08:04.42`	`Corydon76-home`	`Definitely not a bug in Asterisk`
`08:05.12`	`Qwell[]`	`zmi: completely unrelated to Asterisk`
`08:05.22`	`zmi`	`no prob im very sorry`
`08:05.25`	`zmi`	`very very just tirted`
`08:05.29`	`zmi`	`about to drive a long way too`
`08:05.35`	`zmi`	`wont happen again :-D`
`08:05.41`	`zmi`	`i just know some developers are in here sometimes`
`08:05.47`	`zmi`	`or staff of nuf`
`08:05.53`	`Qwell[]`	`not a developer issue either...`
`08:06.04`	`zmi`	`lol`
`08:06.05`	`Corydon76-home`	`Well, this developer is going to bed`
`08:06.08`	`zmi`	`i know )`
`08:06.09`	`zmi`	`:)`
`08:06.11`	`zmi`	`im not saying it is`
`08:06.19`	`zmi`	`im just saying i was just curious if someone was gonna be missing that did`
`08:06.21`	`Qwell[]`	`this developer is eating a taco...mmm`
`08:06.23`	`zmi`	`thats all....`
`08:07.20`	`zmi`	`thanks though :)`
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`08:24.33`	`benjk`	`drray: IAXy has no less amount of firmware than a device called SitePlayer which uses the same microcontroller and that one has a DNS resolver, Zeroconf link-local addressing and service advertising and a web server built in. The DNS and Zeroconf part is 2KBytes of code.`
`08:26.25`	`benjk`	`The developer of the SitePlayer firmware had offered to write the Zeroconf bits for the IAXy and Digium said there was still 2K available in the ROM. However, they didn't think that service discovery was anything of interest.`
`08:26.33`	`Nugget`	`yay zeroconf.`
`08:28.40`	`benjk`	`we offered to write a configuration front end that would find the IAXy via Zeroconf and edit/manage settings from a GUI without even requiring a web server. I still have the prototype and screenshots on my harddisk. Still Digium didn't like the idea of service discovery.`
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`08:38.11`	`[av]bani`	`anyone know a ups vendor which doesnt suck?`
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`08:44.37`	`benjk`	`define suck`
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`08:56.12`	`[av]bani`	`as in, doesnt die 30 days after being returned from RMA`
`08:56.21`	`[av]bani`	`for failing 30 days after purchase`
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`09:16.23`	`himalrana`	`hello all!`
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`09:31.08`	`RoyK`	`morning, morons`
`09:35.31`	`himalrana`	`hi all`
`09:35.50`	`himalrana`	`i want asterisk to do video confrencing`
`09:36.04`	`himalrana`	`i m currently workin on it`
`09:36.08`	`RoyK`	`i beleive that should work`
`09:36.18`	`Strom_C`	`himalrana, google for "Bell System Picturephone"`
`09:36.26`	`RoyK`	`of course, depending on protocol.....`
`09:36.36`	`Strom_C`	`also throw the words "astouding commercial failure" in there`
`09:36.40`	`Strom_C`	`repeat as necessary`
`09:37.13`	`himalrana`	`i m testing with the xten phone`
`09:38.08`	`RoyK`	`or just google for 'miserable failure'`
`09:38.13`	`himalrana`	`currently asterisk supports the only the video phone in the passthrough mode`
`09:38.29`	`himalrana`	`but i want do more from asterisk`
`09:38.40`	`himalrana`	`i m usin asterisk1.2.1`
`09:39.20`	`RoyK`	`you prolly need to rewrite app_conference, then`
`09:41.14`	`himalrana`	`yes this is my target`
`09:41.55`	`himalrana`	`i m currently trying to stream the video file (h263) to asterisk..`
`09:42.19`	`RoyK`	`to? not from?`
`09:42.37`	`RoyK`	`himalrana: add inn libavcodec aslo, so you can do transcoding :)`
`09:43.11`	`RoyK`	`that'll never go into the asterisk codebase because of the asterisk license BS, but it should be a nice thing for stuff like openpbx`
`09:43.59`	`RoyK`	`or an addon package for *`
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`10:15.00`	`RoyK`	`morning has BROOOOOOKEEEEEEEN`
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`10:16.40`	`coppice`	`its probably due to a bug in its software. file a bug report at bugs.morning.com`
`10:20.33`	`pakipenguin`	`wasim,!!!!!!`
`10:21.11`	`pakipenguin`	`WASSSSSSSSSSSSSIMMMMMMMMMMMM!!`
`10:24.34`	`dudes`	`what is morning`
`10:26.57`	`coppice`	`the bit between going to bed and getting up for lunch`
`10:28.30`	`dudes`	`I gotta wait til breakfast`
`10:28.42`	`dudes`	`so I can sleep in my bed`
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`10:46.54`	`flot`	`I use realtime. In extensions.conf I include swtch => Realtime/abc@extensions. If exten = '123' - it is work. But if exten = '123/456' - not work :(`
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`12:30.19`	`BugKham`	`any knows if DIALSTATUS works with a POTS line`
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`13:28.34`	`zoa`	`merry xmas to you too`
`13:28.40`	`zoa`	`and happy hanoeka`
`13:28.41`	`zoa`	`etc`
`13:28.42`	`zoa`	`:)`
`13:31.17`	`oej`	`merry xmas!`
`13:31.26`	`oej`	`An happy new year, zoa`
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`15:08.39`	`znoG`	`wow, didn't know you could do attended transfers with Asterisk`
`15:10.26`	`cricalixwood`	`I'm having terrible echo troubles with an X100P clone in the UK. I've read that there may be a problem because of the impedance differences. Has anyone got such a clone to work satisfactorily in the UK? to work`
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`15:16.52`	`ManxPower`	`cricalixwood, It's a hardware issue, there is no workaround that I know of.`
`15:17.18`	`ManxPower`	`I assume you searched the mailing list archives as well?`
`15:20.47`	`fugitivo`	`cricalixwood: set echocancel=64 echocancelwhenbridged=yes and echotraining=800, adjust rxgain and txgain and pray`
`15:22.42`	`xheliox`	`Anyone have any thoughts as to why the Mp3Player() will only wrong for a 30 to 45 seconds and then die? Both streams and local mp3 files?`
`15:22.48`	`xheliox`	`wrong/play*`
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`15:31.48`	`Zeeek`	`Chotaire ?`
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`15:33.00`	`cricalixwood`	`manxpower: yeah I figured so`
`15:33.14`	`cricalixwood`	`fugitivo: I tried all those and more! No luck.`
`15:34.32`	`cricalixwood`	`And praying did not help either....`
`15:34.55`	`ManxPower`	`it never does`
`15:35.41`	`cricalixwood`	`I was going to go down the Sipura 3000 route - anyone had good experiences with that box (or Grandstream 488)?`
`15:38.29`	`ManxPower`	`cricalixwood, Sipura has a history of making very good ATAs. Grandstream has a history of making products with...issues.`
`15:39.24`	`fugitivo`	`cricalixwood: i have one of those x100p clones at home, and i couldn't remove the echo completely`
`15:39.32`	`cricalixwood`	`I have used the 2000 at work - we had about 30 of them. Only one ever failed, and distributor replaced it immediately no hassle. But I've not played with the 3000.`
`15:40.09`	`ManxPower`	`I used a 3000 in the USA. Making the FXO ports work the way I wanted it to was somewhat complicated. You can do it one of several ways`
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`15:40.42`	`cricalixwood`	`fugitivo: If I get the echo down to a reasonable level I would not find, but the echo is louder than the audio from the far end! And txgain/rxgain did not seem to make much difference.`
`15:41.05`	`cricalixwood`	`Yeah, I understand that the setup is a minor pain, but once done its ok.`
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`15:50.17`	`cricalixwood`	`Happy New Year to All, gotta go out now.`
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`15:52.27`	`jahani`	`hi`
`15:52.28`	`jahani`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:52.35`	`jahani`	`what mean useragent?`
`15:52.38`	`gnosys`	`I've just noticed some interesting warnings in my console and wondered if someone could comment on some of them. In particular, I have a warning about ignoring hanguponpolarityswitch which is not what i want. I've enabled it in zapata.conf which is probably what's prompting the warning, but I'm not sure why. Do I need to enable it before compiling if I want to use it?`
`15:52.43`	`gnosys`	`this is 1.2.1`
`15:53.04`	`gnosys`	`see http://pastebin.com/485387`
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`16:03.15`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, is this after a reload?`
`16:03.22`	`gnosys`	`yes`
`16:04.07`	`ManxPower`	`some zap options cannot be changed with a reload. you have to unload chan_zap.so / load chan_zap.so or stop and start Asterisk.`
`16:04.22`	`ManxPower`	`You also have a typoe in your extensions.conf as indicated by all the errors`
`16:04.38`	`gnosys`	`Oh, I've restarted * several times since making this change to zapata.conf.`
`16:04.54`	`gnosys`	`Typo, huh? <looking...>`
`16:05.16`	`ManxPower`	`do the unload chan_zap.so and load chan_zap.so and see if you still see the messages about ignoreing those three options`
`16:05.31`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, BTW, what card do you have?`
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`16:05.46`	`gnosys`	`TDM04B`
`16:05.53`	`ManxPower`	`jahani, User Agent == Device`
`16:05.59`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, where are you located?`
`16:06.01`	`gnosys`	`What's making you see a typo? Lines 4 and 5?`
`16:06.03`	`gnosys`	`RI`
`16:06.04`	`gnosys`	`USA`
`16:06.27`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, almost all telcos in the use use battery drop to signal hangup, not polarity reversal.`
`16:06.37`	`gnosys`	`oh.`
`16:06.53`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, lines 4 5 and 6`
`16:06.56`	`gnosys`	`so I don't need hanguponpolarityswitch=yes in zapata.conf?`
`16:07.02`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, correct`
`16:07.34`	`gnosys`	`But * isn't hanging up when the caller hangs up... causing problems for me... what setting to fix this then?`
`16:08.02`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, what telco do you have?`
`16:08.13`	`gnosys`	`verizon provides the zap lines`
`16:08.16`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, it SHOULD work by default.`
`16:08.33`	`ManxPower`	`put your /etc/asterisk/zapata.conf on pastebin`
`16:08.59`	`gnosys`	`it wasn't tho... someone suggested the hanguponpolarityswitch so i did it, but then i notieced the warning... wonder why it's getting ignored... but if i don't need it...`
`16:09.07`	`gnosys`	`ok.`
`16:11.44`	`gnosys`	`http://pastebin.com/485401`
`16:11.50`	`gnosys`	`I think I may see at least one problem.`
`16:12.21`	`gnosys`	`I don't think I have a context named "default" in extensions.conf. Maybe I need to change that to context=incoming`
`16:13.22`	`gnosys`	`ManxPower, do you have polycom phones? Was it you that I was talking to recently here about distinctive rings?`
`16:13.42`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, many of the options you have don't apply to FXO ports`
`16:13.50`	`gnosys`	`ok`
`16:14.22`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, I thought you said you had 4 FXO ports`
`16:14.27`	`gnosys`	`I think I used TFOT and the sample file to make that. I'll read some more on my options and eliminate those that are inapplicable.`
`16:14.39`	`gnosys`	`Right. All telephone lines. No Zap telephones.`
`16:15.35`	`gnosys`	`I use fxs signalling right?`
`16:15.42`	`gnosys`	`with fxo ports?`
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`16:16.55`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, http://pastebin.com/485403`
`16:17.14`	`ManxPower`	`now put your /etc/zaptel.conf on pastebin`
`16:17.59`	`gnosys`	`ok. But what's your pastebin? Your zapata.conf?`
`16:18.05`	`gnosys`	`What mine should be?`
`16:18.14`	`ManxPower`	`normast, the pastebin is YOUR zapata.conf fixed.`
`16:18.42`	`ManxPower`	`removed the stuff that doesn't apply to fxo lines, cleaned it up, removed duplicate functionality, tuned the echo cancel settings, etc`
`16:19.04`	`gnosys`	`http://pastebin.com/485405`
`16:19.58`	`gnosys`	`Manx, 485403 is not to me? It's to normast?`
`16:20.57`	`ManxPower`	`http://pastebin.com/485407`
`16:21.25`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, no it was for you but xChat replaced "no, with "ormast, "`
`16:22.02`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, I'm assuming you have phone lines connected to all 4 ports`
`16:22.48`	`gnosys`	`only 2 right now`
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`16:24.10`	`basta`	`is someone using pyastre ?`
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`16:24.33`	`gnosys`	`ok. Thanks ManxPower. Does my zaptel.conf look ok?`
`16:26.09`	`gnosys`	`ManxPower, do you use Polycom phones?`
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`16:31.44`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, Yes, I use Polycom phones, no I don't have time to help you with then.`
`16:32.12`	`ManxPower`	`gnosys, well you are only specifying ports 1-2 if you have 4 ports and 4 phone lines then you need to specify ports 1-4 like I changed`
`16:32.35`	`gnosys`	`thanks Manx`
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`16:34.12`	`gefriend`	`Does anyone know if PIN numbers in MeetMe Conferences SHOULD work in 1.0.7... It just keeps prompting me that the pin is invalid if one is specified...`
`16:35.30`	`ManxPower`	`gefriend, Is it documented in the 1.0.7 meetme.conf.sample?`
`16:36.36`	`ManxPower`	`is it documented in "show application meetme" on your 1.0.7 box?`
`16:37.05`	`gefriend`	`ManxPower, It does show in the samples... I'll check the apps..`
`16:37.13`	`ManxPower`	`then it's supported`
`16:38.22`	`gefriend`	`Thanks. It's there. I just didn't want to beat my head off the wall if I had my versions crossed.. ;) I'll be upgrading to 1.2 in the next couple of weeks, but it looked like it should work.`
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`16:55.52`	`slappingt`	`does anyone have a pointer on increasing the record volume of voicemail wav files the caller leaves?`
`16:57.13`	`ManxPower`	`slappingt, it's a known issue that nobody is interested in fixing. Use a differnet formail format`
`16:58.08`	`slappingt`	`ManxPower any suggestions on format?`
`16:58.12`	`TheCops`	`ManxPower, I found the value to change for the ringer, all the phone is working great :) Thanks for your help yestearday`
`16:58.23`	`ManxPower`	`slappingt, GSM is OK`
`16:58.29`	`ManxPower`	`TheCops, no problem`
`16:58.45`	`slappingt`	`I will try that.`
`16:58.46`	`ManxPower`	`slappingt, WAV49 might be OK as well, I don't know`
`16:58.48`	`wunderkin`	`if you are using head, there is an option for gain on voicemail`
`16:59.26`	`ManxPower`	`wunderkin, There is no CVS-HEAD anymore.`
`16:59.37`	`ManxPower`	`There is SVN trunks and branches`
`16:59.37`	`wunderkin`	`you know what i mean`
`16:59.50`	`SarahEmm`	`blinks`
`16:59.51`	`SarahEmm`	`meow?`
`16:59.53`	`wunderkin`	`it may be on 1.2 or 1.2.1 im not sure`
`16:59.55`	`SarahEmm`	`wow, i've been away too long`
`16:59.57`	`ManxPower`	`wunderkin, which specific branch or trunk?`
`17:00.02`	`SarahEmm`	`* switched to svn/`
`17:00.17`	`wunderkin`	`yeah sarah, and yes you have been gone too long ;D`
`17:00.28`	`SarahEmm`	`heh`
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`17:00.50`	`SarahEmm`	`once coppice has working TTY/TDD code i'll get back into * coding ;o)`
`17:00.59`	`wunderkin`	`well im on the 1.2 release branch or whatever its called and its in there`
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`17:01.10`	`wunderkin`	`i think its been in a little while`
`17:02.36`	`basta`	`is someone using pyastre ?`
`17:03.26`	`SarahEmm`	`wundaboy: what has?`
`17:03.30`	`SarahEmm`	`err that was for wunderkin`
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`17:10.13`	`wunderkin`	`tty? pat pat a coding spot for sarah next to him`
`17:10.15`	`wunderkin`	`heh..`
`17:10.47`	`SarahEmm`	`wunderkin: it's in there, but it's extremely buggy and unreliable right now.`
`17:10.59`	`wunderkin`	`:D`
`17:11.04`	`wunderkin`	`yey`
`17:11.10`	`SarahEmm`	`it's not usable in production (where 'production' is my house) yet.`
`17:11.31`	`znoG`	`god damn meetme`
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`17:14.21`	`znoG`	`real crackly sometimes`
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`17:16.31`	`ManxPower`	`znoG, but only with SIP?`
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`17:20.07`	`znoG`	`ManxPower: this time with SIP.. i'm dialing with SIP, the other 2 parties with IAX`
`17:20.22`	`znoG`	`last time I dialed in through Zap to Asterisk, the other 2 parties with IAX`
`17:20.27`	`ManxPower`	`znoG, are the SIP devices SIPura?`
`17:21.09`	`znoG`	`in this particular case, yes, last time it wasn't and had the same issue, but again it was using SIP.`
`17:21.57`	`znoG`	`so you think it might be a SIP issue?`
`17:22.03`	`ManxPower`	`MeetMe can only handle audio packets that contain 20ms of audio. Some SIP devices, including the SIPura default to 30ma of audio per packet, which does not work well with MeetMe`
`17:22.18`	`znoG`	`ahh so best to go with IAX`
`17:22.31`	`ManxPower`	`naw, just change the ms of audio per packet on the SIP device.`
`17:22.42`	`znoG`	`mind you it doesn't always do it`
`17:22.43`	`znoG`	`only sometimes`
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`17:23.07`	`ManxPower`	`znoG, this might not be YOUR problem, but it's at least something to check`
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`17:25.58`	`dwmw2_gone`	`slappingt: I use OGG, which works nicely.`
`17:27.28`	`slappingt`	`dwmw2_gone I will give that a try`
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`17:28.27`	`slappingt`	`so in voicemail.conf I would do this format=ogg\|wav\|wav49 ?`
`17:29.53`	`dwmw2_gone`	`something like that, yes.`
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`17:35.15`	`zwi`	`hey all...I've been trying to figure out how to do hints with a GXP200 and call parking...basically so I can have LEDs light when a call goes to park. I've seen a couple of messages posted but no responses. Can anybody tell me if this is even possible with hinting or am I going about it wrong?`
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`18:14.17`	`tainted_`	`what is RTP Read too short?`
`18:14.47`	`tainted_`	`seems to be dropping my calls after a few lines of this error`
`18:14.59`	`harryvv`	`sixtel is bussy :)`
`18:15.28`	`gnosys`	`Anybody here besides ManxPower that has distinctive rings on Polycom 501 phones working? Thus far in my googling of the mailing list archive and the rest of the web, I've found that the sip.cfg file in the Polycom phone setup may be relevant, with the settings of voIpProt.SIP.alertInfo.1.value= and ringType se.rt.enabled= and maybe some others, but despite much experimentation, I've yet to hit upon the combination of settings that actually gets me a`
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`18:16.12`	`SLiCKFX`	`greeetings!`
`18:17.14`	`SarahEmm`	`hiya SLiCKFX`
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`18:18.42`	`SLiCKFX`	`havin fun- asterisk is seeemingly limitless`
`18:19.18`	`harryvv`	`look up belcor`
`18:19.25`	`harryvv`	`gnosys`
`18:19.38`	`harryvv`	`it also may be in the polycom sip.cfg`
`18:20.03`	`gnosys`	`that's what I'm referring to above harryvv`
`18:20.23`	`harryvv`	`ask Ariel when he comes here...which may not be today but ask him anyway.`
`18:20.26`	`SLiCKFX`	`how r u SarahEmm`
`18:20.49`	`gnosys`	`ok. thanks harryvv`
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`18:23.43`	`gnosys`	`Ariel_ you here? Is that an alias for Ariel as I suspect?`
`18:26.00`	`harryvv`	`he usually goes by Ariel`
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`18:30.36`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`gnosys : Ware you setting the SIP header info before you dial?`
`18:32.06`	`SarahEmm`	`SLiCKFX: i'm okie.`
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`18:34.19`	`gnosys`	`In *? If you're talking about the _ALERT_INFO variable, then yes. I set it with this in extensions.conf: SetVar(_ALERT_INFO=INTERNAL). This works for changing the ring pattern on my Cisco phones, but not on the Polycom phones (in spite of changing the sip.cfg settings above).`
`18:35.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`pastebin your sip.cfg`
`18:37.13`	`gnosys`	`ok. hold on a sec.`
`18:41.07`	`gnosys`	`It's pretty fat... I don't think there's anything sensitive in there like passwords is there?`
`18:41.32`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Shouldn't be. Those should be in you phonexxx.cfg`
`18:42.07`	`gnosys`	`http://pastebin.com/485508`
`18:43.13`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Not working so well...`
`18:43.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`AH there it is`
`18:43.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`nope, truncated.... its too big`
`18:43.58`	`gnosys`	`there it is? sounds promising...`
`18:44.02`	`trixter`	`does anyone have a gxp2000 installed now? having an odd problem it wont sync to an ntp server today, and someone else un -users said theirs wouldnt either, the only person that said theirs would does it locally instead of not on the local network.. just curious if anyone else had that problem`
`18:44.05`	`gnosys`	`what do you see?`
`18:44.25`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Only the first half of the alert type.`
`18:44.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`PM`
`18:45.12`	`file[laptop]`	`[TK]D-Fender: my passport finally got processed yesterday, yay!`
`18:46.29`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Woohoo!`
`18:48.13`	`gnosys`	`[TK]D-Fender, should I post the two segments of sip.cfg that I think are relevant?`
`18:48.26`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Nah, jsut email the whole file`
`18:48.27`	`gnosys`	`that would fit no prob...`
`18:48.38`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:48.41`	`file[laptop]`	`[TK]D-Fender is a master with Polycom-like phones`
`18:48.48`	`gnosys`	`ok.`
`18:49.10`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Nah, just curiously lucky :)`
`18:50.00`	`file[laptop]`	`only curiously?`
`18:50.09`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Aren'y you piqued? :)`
`18:51.04`	`file[laptop]`	`quiet you`
`18:53.18`	`file[laptop]`	`[TK]D-Fender: don't make me throw a muffin at you`
`18:54.08`	`file[laptop]`	`eep`
`18:54.16`	`file[laptop]`	`did you buy it on eBay?`
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`18:59.45`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`gnosys : Looking at it now`
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`19:01.57`	`gnosys`	`thanks TK`
`19:08.04`	`ManxPower`	`I wonder if there's any DSL-type equipment that can go 20 miles without a repeater on a dry pair`
`19:08.30`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`gnosys : What SIP ver you running on it?`
`19:08.39`	`gnosys`	`1.6.2.0041`
`19:08.46`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`ManxPower : Max was 5 last I recall...`
`19:08.52`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Even that was shaky`
`19:09.05`	`ManxPower`	`[TK]D-Fender, that's standard DSL isn't it?`
`19:09.09`	`SarahEmm`	`you can do a T1 to... what, 4 without a repeater?`
`19:09.12`	`SarahEmm`	`something like that`
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`19:09.21`	`ManxPower`	`Paradyne's MVL stuff was supposed to do that 10 years ago`
`19:09.45`	`ManxPower`	`SarahEmm, T-1s are usually delivered these days via SDSL and the max without a repeater is about 18,000 ft`
`19:10.09`	`ManxPower`	`I suppose my only real option is a T-1 to the ISP`
`19:10.19`	`denon`	`ManxPower: you mean, those cheap crap "T1s" they sell to small businesses`
`19:10.26`	`ManxPower`	`denon, no.`
`19:10.31`	`SarahEmm`	`depends where you live too..`
`19:10.40`	`denon`	`if I ordered a new circuit from qwest and they brought out some sdsl with atm crap .. they'd get sued`
`19:10.43`	`SarahEmm`	`but yeah, a lot are delivered on HDSL here`
`19:11.03`	`SarahEmm`	`denon: almost all of them here are delivered that way now. they supply converters on either end to turn it back into a T1 for the last 1m :)`
`19:11.18`	`ManxPower`	`The expensive T-1s they sell to anyone thats willing to pay for them. Shine a flashlight thru the smokey plastic on the front of the smartjack and chances you'll either see "Pargain SDSL" or "Westel SDSL"`
`19:11.33`	`ManxPower`	`denon, no, not SDSL over ATM`
`19:12.17`	`ManxPower`	`They work just like the old style T-1s but need a repeater every 18,000ft instead of every 1,800 ft`
`19:12.18`	`denon`	`I wonder if qwest isnt doing that ..`
`19:12.33`	`ManxPower`	`still point to point, channelizedc, etc`
`19:12.41`	`denon`	`Ive not seen it on any of the westel boxes Ive used recently`
`19:13.00`	`ManxPower`	`denon, behind the smokey front plastic panel?`
`19:13.04`	`denon`	`nod`
`19:13.12`	`denon`	`but you're probably right .. I thought you were talkin that atm over dsl crap ..`
`19:13.16`	`ManxPower`	`denon, what do you see behind it`
`19:13.22`	`denon`	`like you see these Internet companies selling .. "T1"`
`19:13.35`	`denon`	`when its really just 1.5Mbps or less dsl`
`19:13.51`	`SarahEmm`	`ahhh`
`19:13.54`	`ManxPower`	`denon, but they can't go over 18,000 from the CO, right?`
`19:14.03`	`ManxPower`	`I live 11 miles from my CO`
`19:14.08`	`denon`	`ManxPower: not sure on the distance .. we never deal with that stuff`
`19:15.21`	`ManxPower`	`denon, its because the ISPs only have to pay standard DSL wholesale rate for the service to the Bell, if they had a real t-1 they would pay something like 10x more.`
`19:15.28`	`ManxPower`	`OK, maybe 4x more`
`19:16.04`	`denon`	`ManxPower: or you can put voice services over it ..`
`19:16.08`	`denon`	`and call it an emergency line :)`
`19:16.14`	`denon`	`and tarriff it accordingly`
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`19:16.42`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`gnosys : Your setup looks OK. But your setvar was in all-caps. Make it "Internal"`
`19:17.05`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`not "INTERNAL"`
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`19:25.14`	`ManxPower`	`denon, We installed dry pairs ($30/month) and put *DSL on it like 7 years ago.`
`19:25.26`	`ManxPower`	`Hmm..prolly closer to 8 years ago`
`19:25.27`	`_Sam--`	`"alarm circuits"`
`19:25.40`	`ManxPower`	`back when DSL modems cost $400/each`
`19:26.11`	`ManxPower`	`I spent like 2 weeks reading bellsouth tarrifs and doing research`
`19:26.21`	`_Sam--`	`they dont like to provide those circuits`
`19:27.22`	`ManxPower`	`_Sam--, Yes, but we ordered by USOC so there was NO excuse to not install the right line. Also this was long before BellSouth even announced their DSL service`
`19:28.07`	`_Sam--`	`im familiar with it...i had bell atlantic run a few dry pair for me around 96-97 and did the same thing. i used to have a retail location and i said i was running an alarm system`
`19:28.20`	`ManxPower`	`The first time we ordered out rep basically said "What the hell is that?" and we said "Just order it, let us worry about the rest."`
`19:28.36`	`trixter`	`NJ bell liked to put bridging clips and such on those lines to drop their quality cause they wanted to push their isdn stuff since they invested so much into that just prior`
`19:28.59`	`ManxPower`	`The USOCs we ordered were for some specific type of AT&T remote phone.`
`19:29.01`	`trixter`	`basically you couldnt count on a circuit working about 7-8 years ago in NJ`
`19:29.29`	`_Sam--`	`i had a few point to point t1s in south jersey 7-8 years ago..they worked fine`
`19:29.43`	`_Sam--`	`bell atlantic`
`19:29.46`	`trixter`	`that isnt a dry line`
`19:29.47`	`ManxPower`	`Heck, even our installer said once or twice "IF this was for voice I'd leave it as is, but since I know you are running data over this circuit, I'll find a better pair for you"`
`19:29.56`	`_Sam--`	`no, i thought you just mean any lines in general!`
`19:30.08`	`trixter`	`no talking about doing dsl before the telco provided it`
`19:30.17`	`trixter`	`which was in response to what manx said about that :)`
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`19:30.37`	`ManxPower`	`I have been unable to find ANY CLEC that serves my address.`
`19:30.43`	`trixter`	`we had several T1s and other circuits no problem, but they wanted to hose dsl and try to force people to use isdn for the longest time`
`19:30.44`	`ManxPower`	`which really sucks`
`19:30.52`	`_Sam--`	`on a totally different note, i have been going around in circles for a about a week....which will fail fisrt -- a hard drive or a compact flash card.`
`19:30.55`	`_Sam--`	`?`
`19:31.04`	`trixter`	`a CF card likely is going to last 20 years`
`19:31.16`	`_Sam--`	`ok then`
`19:31.29`	`ManxPower`	`_Sam--, comparing the MTBF might he a good STARTING point`
`19:31.38`	`linagee`	`image the CF card so you can always reimage it. :)`
`19:31.39`	`trixter`	`wear leveling -- assuming you dont reflash it 150 times a day for 20 years - you will likely see way more than 20 but the box its connected to odds are wont last that long so ...`
`19:31.42`	`_Sam--`	`i havent found many MTBF specs on cd cards`
`19:31.43`	`linagee`	`(er, you can always replace it)`
`19:32.02`	`_Sam--`	`er on cf cards`
`19:32.05`	`trixter`	`if it has 1M writes, that is baout 125-150/day for 20 years`
`19:32.06`	`ManxPower`	`_Sam--, prolly because the MTBF depends on the number of writes you do`
`19:32.15`	`_Sam--`	`my sata drive has mtbf like 10 years`
`19:32.17`	`linagee`	`trixter: what if the box has no moving parts? :)`
`19:32.27`	`trixter`	`wear leveling will help to spread the writes out so you can write smaller files than a full flash which makes it last even longer`
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`19:32.43`	`trixter`	`linagee: odds are you will not want to be using it in 20 years regardless`
`19:32.45`	`ManxPower`	`_Sam--, Does it have a 10 yr warrenty?`
`19:32.48`	`_Sam--`	`does reading from the CF card age it just the same as writing to it?`
`19:32.51`	`_Sam--`	`ManxPower: 5`
`19:32.55`	`ManxPower`	`I guess I should take trixter off /ignore 8-)`
`19:32.56`	`trixter`	`and bad power is worse on computers (especially the power supply) than moving parts`
`19:33.01`	`linagee`	`trixter: you don't think they will make a newer version of pfsense in 20 years? :)`
`19:33.13`	`ManxPower`	`_Sam--, my new 300GB drive also has a 5yr warrenty`
`19:33.17`	`linagee`	`SarahEmm: raid 5. :)`
`19:33.39`	`ManxPower`	`SarahEmm, Stop buying your drives from eMachines`
`19:33.49`	`SarahEmm`	`linagee: i am on raid-5.`
`19:33.57`	`SarahEmm`	`linagee: i didn't say i lost data. just had failed drives :)`
`19:34.03`	`linagee`	`SarahEmm: be glad. :P`
`19:34.05`	`trixter`	`long runs of power, bad grounds, etc all damage switching power supplies more ... I have a paper on building a data center (focused on the costs of doing it) which goes into some of the specifics on line harmonics, distortion, etc`
`19:34.06`	`SarahEmm`	`ManxPower: no, but i quit buying maxtors and started buying seagates.`
`19:34.11`	`SarahEmm`	`haven't had any seagates fail yet.`
`19:34.12`	`linagee`	`SarahEmm: losing data costs more than losing drives. :P`
`19:34.16`	`SarahEmm`	`agreed linagee.`
`19:34.20`	`linagee`	`SarahEmm: scsi seagates?`
`19:34.23`	`trixter`	`my site if anyone is interested in www.0xdecafbad.com`
`19:34.24`	`SarahEmm`	`naw, it's all sata`
`19:34.27`	`ManxPower`	`SarahEmm, I buy the drives with the longest warrenties.`
`19:34.43`	`SarahEmm`	`that's one reason i switched to seagate`
`19:34.45`	`ManxPower`	`I figure if they will warrenty a drive for X amount of time, they expect most of them to last at least that long`
`19:34.47`	`SarahEmm`	`5yr vs. 1 for maxtor`
`19:34.49`	`linagee`	`SarahEmm: software linux raid?`
`19:34.49`	`rob0`	`great domain name trixter :)`
`19:34.55`	`trixter`	`I like it :)`
`19:34.57`	`SarahEmm`	`yep linagee :)`
`19:34.59`	`SarahEmm`	`works well`
`19:35.00`	`ManxPower`	`maxtor used to have the longest warrenties`
`19:35.18`	`linagee`	`SarahEmm: but you're a gurl. gurls aren't supposed to like software linux raid arrays and stuff like that!`
`19:35.20`	`linagee`	`lol`
`19:35.23`	`SarahEmm`	`lol`
`19:35.24`	`SarahEmm`	`shrug`
`19:35.38`	`SarahEmm`	`software raid works well and is cheap tho! :)`
`19:35.48`	`_Sam--`	`in general, for booting, most of the CF cards are meant to be booted from the IDE adapter?`
`19:35.58`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Nobody is supposed to like software RAID arrays! Defeats the reliability!`
`19:35.59`	`_Sam--`	`like you get a CF IDE adapter?`
`19:36.17`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`3ware = not always the fastest, but a very safe bet`
`19:36.31`	`SarahEmm`	`[TK]D-Fender: how so?`
`19:36.35`	`_Sam--`	`linagee: what device is the cfcard booting in?`
`19:36.40`	`SarahEmm`	`[TK]D-Fender: if the card fails, i drop in any other cheap SATA card and i'm back up.`
`19:36.41`	`_Sam--`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:36.44`	`linagee`	`[TK]D-Fender: 3ware = stuck buying 3ware. :)`
`19:36.45`	`ManxPower`	`rob0, you mean 3Ware "kill any chanc of my Digium T-1/E-1 card working" RAID`
`19:36.48`	`SarahEmm`	`if the whole box fails, i drop the drives in another box and i'm up and running again.`
`19:36.49`	`trixter`	`_Sam--: that is one way.. you can have a system that doesnt use ide to get to the card, but that is often more rare cause ide is so cheap`
`19:36.51`	`SarahEmm`	`how is that less reliable?`
`19:37.09`	`linagee`	`_Sam--: it's some doohickey that has a PCI header but connects CF card to IDE`
`19:37.19`	`linagee`	`_Sam--: found it online from ebay. :)`
`19:37.21`	`_Sam--`	`yeah i cant get my cf to boot from USB`
`19:37.28`	`_Sam--`	`im waiting on those adapters to IDE`
`19:37.37`	`_Sam--`	`i can boot a USB flash drive`
`19:37.42`	`_Sam--`	`but not a cf card`
`19:37.43`	`linagee`	`_Sam--: took me like 2 weeks. it came from another country! lol`
`19:37.44`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Things can go wrong with Software. Incomplete commits, thread de-synch, into-writing crashing etc. Most controllers batch things up and work in a more reliable manner. I'd just NEVER trust sofware to the job`
`19:38.10`	`SarahEmm`	`[TK]D-Fender: okay. and i'd trust software more :)`
`19:38.10`	`linagee`	`_Sam--: i wouldn't want to boot off USB. lets just say i've had many problems with USB. ;-)`
`19:38.21`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`linagee : Maybe, but how often would a controller fail? What about processor load, etc?`
`19:38.30`	`_Sam--`	`thank you for the tip...i was considering giving up on the CF and just switching to USB flash drive`
`19:38.35`	`linagee`	`_Sam--: once i tried to make a firewire raid 5 array, then i tried USB. they both paniced linux when i just pulled off a drive at random.`
`19:38.38`	`trixter`	`the power is out :/ wonder when its going to come back on.. although it doesnt matter a whole lot because of the generator, but still`
`19:38.46`	`trixter`	`the generator isnt as quiet as the power company`
`19:38.55`	`linagee`	`[TK]D-Fender: controller cards fail. i see it every day. ;-)`
`19:39.07`	`trixter`	`linagee: try a ipod raid array (someone did that and documented it)`
`19:39.10`	`linagee`	`[TK]D-Fender: mine can fail too, but what mobo doesn't have IDE? ;-)`
`19:39.12`	`MooingLemur`	`I only use linux software raid (mirroring only)`
`19:39.14`	`_Sam--`	`i run an adaptec raid card`
`19:39.15`	`justinu`	`i just lost a hardware raid 1`
`19:39.19`	`justinu`	`wasn't rebuildable either`
`19:39.43`	`gnosys`	`[TK]D-Fender: Thanks for the feedback, but I tried, "Internal" first and that didn't work either. Sorry I've been away from the computer for a bit.`
`19:39.51`	`linagee`	`trixter: as i said, firewire and USB are very bad for software raid. if you pull off stuff, everything panics. sometimes, connectors will be lose or it will decide to reset the bus randomly.`
`19:39.55`	`rob0`	`ManxPower: really? Why would 3ware kill a Digium card?`
`19:40.02`	`rob0`	`I hadn't heard that`
`19:40.15`	`ManxPower`	`rob0, excessive interrupt latency caused HDLC errors`
`19:40.27`	`linagee`	`SarahEmm: latency is pretty bad on IDE arrays, but block transfers are good. :)`
`19:40.30`	`ManxPower`	`search on 3ware HDLC or RAID HDLC`
`19:40.36`	`rob0`	`would it be a problem with a TDM400?`
`19:40.38`	`rob0`	`ok`
`19:40.54`	`_Sam--`	`does anyone use a "fanless" cpu cooler?`
`19:40.55`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`A slight breeze causes Digium cards to freak :)`
`19:41.01`	`denon`	`haha`
`19:41.01`	`rob0`	`haha`
`19:41.15`	`Nugget`	`heh`
`19:41.17`	`ManxPower`	`the card locks interrupts for a long time to improve thruput`
`19:41.57`	`linagee`	`heh`
`19:42.26`	`ManxPower`	`same thing graphics cards so, some onboard LAN also do that, as do some IDE or SATA controllers`
`19:42.37`	`linagee`	`ManxPower: bus mastering?`
`19:42.48`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`biab`
`19:43.08`	`ManxPower`	`linagee, no idea`
`19:43.10`	`rob0`	`<== wants to build a new server soon, and wants it done right`
`19:43.27`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`Sangoma + 3Ware :)`
`19:43.28`	`linagee`	`rob0: pci express and pci express raid cards. :)`
`19:44.04`	`rob0`	`I was planning a 3ware SATA RAID, but it has to cohabitate with a TDM400 and an X100P.`
`19:44.32`	`ManxPower`	`rob0, That will prolly work`
`19:44.39`	`ManxPower`	`since neither of those cards are T-1/E-1 cards`
`19:44.42`	`linagee`	`dell should make a server with hot swap ide bays in the front instead of hot swap SCSI bays. :)`
`19:44.45`	`linagee`	`that would rule`
`19:45.28`	`trixter`	`I liked the winchester array we had`
`19:45.35`	`linagee`	`winchester array?`
`19:45.41`	`trixter`	`granted it was only 10GB scsi butthis was also many years ago`
`19:45.51`	`SarahEmm`	`x100p for fax?`
`19:45.55`	`trixter`	`19 inch rack with hot swap scsi hardware raid array`
`19:46.06`	`trixter`	`like emc but you can opt out of service if you want`
`19:46.12`	`trixter`	`and it was WAY cheaper than emc`
`19:46.25`	`linagee`	`trixter: but emc rules...`
`19:46.28`	`trixter`	`dual ported dual server so we could auto failover`
`19:46.38`	`rob0`	`my x100p is the trunk connection to the PSTN`
`19:47.15`	`trixter`	`I have done faxes with an x100p`
`19:47.16`	`rob0`	`right now I have the TDM400 in a different box, they chat IAX2 back and forth`
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`20:20.48`	`Ayano`	`Does anyone know where I can get nvfaxdetect? Thier sight seems to be down right now...`
`20:22.09`	`dudes`	`I think you e-mail the guy or someone may have a copy`
`20:23.35`	`gnosys`	`[TK]D-Fender?`
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`20:25.42`	`Manolo`	`hello, anoyne knows how to fix this issue:`
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`20:26.11`	`bkw__`	`GO OUT GET DRUNK HAVE FUN`
`20:26.22`	`Manolo`	`my voicemail for any extensions records the busy tone from PSTN calls the moment they hangup after the message is finished`
`20:26.38`	`justinu`	`yum tum tummy tum tay`
`20:26.43`	`Lloydie-t`	`I need a little help with realtime`
`20:26.57`	`Igbothom_III`	`1 second per second`
`20:27.05`	`Igbothom_III`	`Lloydie-t; does that help? ;)`
`20:27.11`	`dudes`	`I still gotta clean up after lastnight`
`20:27.18`	`Igbothom_III`	`I stayed in, and am now awake!`
`20:27.19`	`Manolo`	`hello... anyone knows this prolem??`
`20:27.23`	`bkw__`	`you do realize monday is still a federal holiday`
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`20:27.38`	`Lloydie-t`	`Can I usr res_sqlite as to connect to an sqlite database`
`20:27.48`	`bkw__`	`Lloydie-t, yes thats the point of it`
`20:28.08`	`Manolo`	`My voicemails are recording the busy tone after the message is finished.`
`20:28.20`	`Lloydie-t`	`I was not sure as all docs seem to talk about using it as cdr`
`20:28.33`	`bkw__`	`Manolo, sounds like you need hangup detection`
`20:28.35`	`bkw__`	`Lloydie-t, it does both`
`20:28.59`	`Manolo`	`how do i make asterisk to reconoigize the busy tone from PSTN as the finish �Signal�`
`20:29.08`	`bkw__`	`go google`
`20:29.09`	`Manolo`	`bkw_ yes how do i do that?`
`20:29.14`	`bkw__`	`google can tell you`
`20:29.29`	`Manolo`	`bkw_ nice answer`
`20:29.31`	`bkw__`	`this has been talked about till i'm just blue in the face`
`20:29.37`	`Lloydie-t`	`in that case do I need to change any thing in the current default res_sqlite file to make it work?`
`20:29.38`	`bkw__`	`no its a simple answer that is very easy to find`
`20:29.42`	`Manolo`	`bkw_no offense`
`20:29.52`	`bkw__`	`you can use busydetect`
`20:30.03`	`bkw__`	`Lloydie-t, no just try it`
`20:30.05`	`Manolo`	`bkw_in google busydetect`
`20:30.10`	`bkw__`	`you can do sql from the cli too`
`20:30.36`	`trixter`	`I do sql from the cli too.. although I use a different cli than 'asterisk -r' :P`
`20:32.55`	`Lloydie-t`	`I take it the db file I use is under [switch] (ie dbfile => asterisk) ?`
`20:33.14`	`Manolo`	`if i put th pRimary DNS of a Polycom as the Router instead of the Asterisk,what are the consequencies??`
`20:33.58`	`justinu`	`uh what?`
`20:34.07`	`justinu`	`you can use any DNS, as long as it works`
`20:35.02`	`Manolo`	`i think that error is rendering my Poly's 501 unable to recieve calls, and able to make them.`
`20:35.26`	`justinu`	`that's a registration error`
`20:36.08`	`SarahEmm`	`Manolo: you should point DNS to any valid DNS server. * isn't a DNS server, so unless you're also running bind or whatever on the * box, that won't work`
`20:38.40`	`harryvv`	`SarahEmm you have used bind alot?`
`20:38.40`	`Manolo`	`Just my phones are registered but only in DCHP enabled.. and also they ring from and incoming call but then, there�s no communication at all once you pick it up`
`20:38.40`	`justinu`	`manolo: that sounds like a NAT problem`
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`20:40.12`	`Strom_C`	`ok - my T1 card has just gone bonkers on me`
`20:40.43`	`xheliox`	`If you're ok with it, so are we`
`20:40.50`	`Strom_C`	`haha`
`20:41.38`	`Strom_C`	`anyway, the modules seem to load without complaint, I run ztcfg without problems, asterisk loads, but spans 1 and 2 still flash red and asterisk will not talk to them`
`20:42.23`	`Strom_C`	`span 3 goes green`
`20:42.36`	`Strom_C`	`and the channel banks on spans 2 and 3 get sync...`
`20:43.44`	`SarahEmm`	`harryvv: a fair amount, yeah.`
`20:45.12`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, what does zttool say?`
`20:45.52`	`Strom_C`	`I'll run it once the system comes back up`
`20:46.08`	`ManxPower`	`justinu, or an allow=all problem`
`20:46.56`	`justinu`	`that to`
`20:47.13`	`justinu`	`but then usually it'll hang up the call`
`20:51.16`	`harryvv`	`who has experaince with asterisk and sms capabilities?`
`20:51.43`	`dudes`	`How's that going for ya`
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`20:52.24`	`harryvv`	`dudes, im really looking into it.`
`20:52.37`	`Strom_C`	`ManxPower, zttool isn't compiled`
`20:52.48`	`dudes`	`I'll probably play with next week`
`20:52.49`	`harryvv`	`I really dont think the sms capabilities of asterisk has really been explored but enough people.`
`20:52.50`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, install newt-devel and revuild zaptel`
`20:52.55`	`dudes`	`but this weekend is about getting drunk and having fun`
`20:53.11`	`Manolo`	`justinu,why a nat problem?`
`20:53.36`	`justinu`	`because nat breaks sip`
`20:53.41`	`justinu`	`unless you set it up right`
`20:56.14`	`Strom_C`	`ManxPower: span 1 and 2 are red, 3 green, 4 unconfigured`
`20:56.46`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, what is connected to span 1 and 2`
`20:56.58`	`LostFrog`	`What is embarrasing is that I forgot how to dial out on a zap device. :)`
`20:57.03`	`Strom_C`	`span 1 is the PRI, span 2 is the first channel bank, span 3 is the second`
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`20:57.43`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, Red usually means "there is no line detected", i.e. a cable problem, a hardware problem with the other end, or a T-1 problem`
`20:58.14`	`Strom_C`	`that shouldn't be the case; they were working fine before we brought the system down`
`20:59.33`	`Strom_C`	`and what's weird is that despite the alarm on span 2, the channel bank on the other side of the T1 syncs up just fine`
`21:01.00`	`justinu`	`that means that the channel bank sees the signal from your t1 card`
`21:01.06`	`justinu`	`but the t1 card sees nothing from the channel bank`
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`21:01.27`	`Strom_C`	`maybe my cables broke?`
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`21:01.34`	`justinu`	`certainly something to check`
`21:01.36`	`Strom_C`	`yeah`
`21:02.29`	`justinu`	`your T1 card should be sending yellow alarm tho`
`21:02.37`	`justinu`	`not a normal framed T1 signal`
`21:03.03`	`Strom_C`	`do the T1 cards ever do this because of an IRQ conflict?`
`21:03.35`	`justinu`	`not sure of that, I have no experience with the digium hardware`
`21:03.47`	`justinu`	`i used dialogic (way back when) and excel switching T1 equipment`
`21:03.52`	`justinu`	`CAC ds3 muxes, etc.`
`21:04.02`	`justinu`	`even some DMS stuff :)`
`21:04.06`	`justinu`	`but never digium`
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`21:07.47`	`justinu`	`re`
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`21:10.04`	`harryvv`	`Strom, digium recomendeds only one card per server even though there are people here have done two or more.`
`21:10.41`	`Strom_C`	`harryvv, this is my only card`
`21:10.54`	`harryvv`	`I see`
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`21:15.26`	`wipeout_`	`hey, anyone awake with a grandstream gxp-2000?`
`21:16.08`	`wipeout_`	`having a problem where it refuses to send the # tone, even though it's configured to`
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`21:20.43`	`harryvv`	`What is the excepted call quality norm for the general public when using a codec? gms can sound pretty robotic and i hear complaints about it.`
`21:20.59`	`justinu`	`anyone using a cell phone is plenty used to gsm`
`21:21.38`	`harryvv`	`probebly true`
`21:22.34`	`Jugie`	`cell phones have lowered the expected call quality`
`21:22.35`	`Strom_C`	`you know, I don't think it's the cables`
`21:22.39`	`Jugie`	`god love em :P`
`21:22.45`	`justinu`	`juggie: true dat`
`21:22.51`	`Strom_C`	`I plugged span 2's cable into span 3 and span 3 goes green`
`21:23.07`	`Strom_C`	`I plug span 3's cable into span 2...still red`
`21:23.28`	`Strom_C`	`same type of channel bank on the other end of both T1s`
`21:23.29`	`SarahEmm`	`Juggie: depends.. most people certainly complain when you have cell quality on 'landlines'`
`21:24.09`	`harryvv`	`I suspect thay would complain`
`21:24.52`	`harryvv`	`Im just wonder at what point up the bandwith scale what can be used where thay dont complain. Ive been happy with ulaw but does not allow much room for other channels.`
`21:25.04`	`harryvv`	`Alot of channels that is.`
`21:29.45`	`Lloydie-t`	`Can I download 1.2.1 and just overwrite my old install or is there a way to un install?`
`21:30.09`	`Qwell[]`	`Lloydie-t: You need to remove /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/* first`
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`21:30.36`	`Lloydie-t`	`Thanks for that`
`21:30.37`	`ManxPower`	`Lloydie-t, when you make install on 1.2.x it will tell you what modules may have to be removed.`
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`21:31.01`	`ManxPower`	`if you don't have any non-standard modules then just do what Qwell said.`
`21:32.28`	`Lloydie-t`	`I done an make upgrade early which mentioned something about mpg123.so or sumut like that`
`21:32.48`	`Lloydie-t`	`would that be a problem?`
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`21:34.28`	`ManxPower`	`I have no idea. mpg123.so is NOT somthing I've ever heard of`
`21:34.44`	`Strom_C`	`ok, I took out the sound card and the T1 card works fine now`
`21:34.50`	`Strom_C`	`what the hell`
`21:34.59`	`justinu`	`score another one for digium`
`21:35.00`	`Qwell[]`	`Strom_C: ints`
`21:35.04`	`Lloydie-t`	`I'll just do waht Qwell said`
`21:35.14`	`Strom_C`	`Qwell[]?`
`21:35.22`	`Qwell[]`	`interrupts`
`21:39.05`	`Lloydie-t`	`sorry Qwell[]`
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`21:50.26`	`Strom_C`	`ok...now everyting works except for span 2 on my card`
`21:50.39`	`Strom_C`	`instead of getting dial tone, extensions off that span get that whiny bit-robbed sound`
`21:51.29`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, cat /proc/interrupts`
`21:51.41`	`Strom_C`	`I took out the sound card`
`21:51.44`	`Strom_C`	`spans 1 and 3 work fine`
`21:52.04`	`Strom_C`	`233: 530600 IO-APIC-level wct4xxp`
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`21:54.35`	`Strom_C`	`the console shows the channel going off hook and on hook again when I pick up and hang up a phone connected to that channel bank`
`21:55.55`	`Strom_C`	`I can also dial out despite the fact that there's no backward audio path`
`21:56.03`	`Strom_C`	`what the hell?`
`21:56.21`	`justinu`	`loopback to isolate the problem`
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`21:57.02`	`Strom_C`	`justinu - ok - walk me through that`
`21:57.23`	`justinu`	`heh`
`21:57.24`	`Strom_C`	`I can also call the extension off the card, which rings`
`21:57.38`	`justinu`	`loop the problem channel back back to your t1 card`
`21:58.09`	`justinu`	`channel bank`
`21:58.19`	`Strom_C`	`the problem is not the channel bank`
`21:58.27`	`Strom_C`	`the problem is the span on the card itself`
`21:58.36`	`justinu`	`then loop the t1 card back to the channel bank`
`21:58.52`	`Strom_C`	`how?`
`21:58.56`	`justinu`	`got me`
`21:59.12`	`Strom_C`	`some help you are ;)`
`21:59.21`	`justinu`	`told ya, i don't do digium cards`
`21:59.31`	`justinu`	`you could use a loopback plug if you have one`
`21:59.50`	`Strom_C`	`I could make one, theoretically`
`22:00.16`	`justinu`	`you could also try configuring the 4th port on your t1 card, and plug the problem span into that.`
`22:00.43`	`Strom_C`	`what would that accomplish, exactly?`
`22:01.02`	`justinu`	`if you suspect some kind of hardware problem on your 2nd port, it might isolate it`
`22:02.33`	`justinu`	`PRI channel bank?`
`22:02.42`	`Strom_C`	`straight T1`
`22:02.46`	`Strom_C`	`esf/b8zs`
`22:02.48`	`justinu`	`E&M wink?`
`22:02.50`	`Strom_C`	`the PRI comes in from the telco`
`22:02.56`	`Strom_C`	`FXO loopstart`
`22:02.58`	`justinu`	`ok`
`22:03.19`	`justinu`	`so the channelbank TX makes it to the digium RX ok`
`22:03.27`	`justinu`	`but digium TX not making it to channel bank RX`
`22:03.29`	`Strom_C`	`PRI on span 1, 43 stations on two channel banks on spans 2-3`
`22:03.30`	`Strom_C`	`yes`
`22:03.45`	`justinu`	`so you can't place calls to the phones either, right?`
`22:03.50`	`Strom_C`	`I can place calls`
`22:03.56`	`Strom_C`	`caller ID doesnt go through, but I can place calls`
`22:04.05`	`justinu`	`you can call to the phone, and from the phone?`
`22:04.09`	`Strom_C`	`yes`
`22:04.14`	`Strom_C`	`and I can hear the called party just fine`
`22:04.22`	`Strom_C`	`but the called party just hears "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"`
`22:04.30`	`justinu`	`well, that implies that the RB signalling on the digium TX is making it tot he channel bank`
`22:04.41`	`justinu`	`otherwise, the phone shouldn't ring`
`22:04.42`	`Strom_C`	`RB?`
`22:04.46`	`justinu`	`robbed bit`
`22:04.48`	`Strom_C`	`yeah`
`22:05.09`	`justinu`	`strange stuff`
`22:05.09`	`Strom_C`	`very weird`
`22:05.20`	`tzanger`	`Strom_C: odd`
`22:05.22`	`justinu`	`but you should be able to isolate the problems with loopbacks`
`22:06.02`	`tzanger`	`indeed`
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`22:09.15`	`IOscanner`	`Is there a way to register a cisco 7950 to two PBX units? I have extensions on two different PBX units can this be done?`
`22:09.25`	`Qwell[]`	`7950?`
`22:09.35`	`IOscanner`	`sorry 7960`
`22:09.38`	`IOscanner`	`typo`
`22:09.40`	`justinu`	`yeah, you can do that`
`22:09.45`	`Qwell[]`	`sure, it's got 6 lines`
`22:09.49`	`Qwell[]`	`"lines"`
`22:09.50`	`IOscanner`	`how from SIP.cnf files`
`22:09.54`	`IOscanner`	`yep lots of lines`
`22:10.17`	`Qwell[]`	`just make lines 1 and 2 register to different boxs`
`22:10.20`	`Qwell[]`	`boxes`
`22:10.23`	`IOscanner`	`it doesn't seem to register outbound proxy for that extension`
`22:10.25`	`Strom_C`	`is Digium support open today?`
`22:10.44`	`IOscanner`	`is there an outbound4_proxy:1.1.1.1; option?`
`22:10.51`	`justinu`	`don't need outbound proxy to be set`
`22:11.15`	`IOscanner`	`I have proxy4_address:1.1.1.1; set`
`22:11.27`	`IOscanner`	`and the line4_name:`
`22:11.35`	`Qwell[]`	`yeah, just set those, and it should work fine`
`22:12.02`	`IOscanner`	`line4_shortname line4_displayname: line4_authname and line4_password: set`
`22:12.11`	`Strom_C`	`Qwell[]: you got any experience with weirdo T1 issues?`
`22:12.17`	`Qwell[]`	`nope`
`22:12.18`	`IOscanner`	`and I have nat_enable: 1; and the nat address set`
`22:12.58`	`ManxPower`	`IOscanner, If you have nat=yes in sip.conf then DO NOT set any NAT options on the device, except for NAT Keepalive`
`22:13.10`	`IOscanner`	`ah cool`
`22:13.11`	`justinu`	`yeah`
`22:13.13`	`IOscanner`	`that must be it`
`22:13.27`	`IOscanner`	`is there a NAT keepalive option for the *.cnf file?`
`22:13.45`	`ManxPower`	`You know the old saying: Two NATs always make a wrong.`
`22:13.49`	`justinu`	`just turn it off, and use qualify`
`22:14.07`	`ManxPower`	`you don't even need qualify if the device has a nat keepalive option.`
`22:14.15`	`justinu`	`yeah, not sure if the cisco does`
`22:14.16`	`ManxPower`	`Personally I never set it on the device and use qualify.`
`22:14.30`	`justinu`	`it's ok to have both sides doing nat keepalives`
`22:14.48`	`Qwell[]`	`~ren`
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`22:14.59`	`Qwell[]`	`ManxPower: happen to have that definition?`
`22:15.06`	`Strom_C`	`file!`
`22:15.13`	`justinu`	`ringer equivalent number`
`22:15.19`	`Qwell[]`	`thanks`
`22:15.26`	`ManxPower`	`Qwell, Not off hand. ringer equivalency number`
`22:15.27`	`Strom_C`	`do you have experience with bizarro T1 issues?`
`22:15.32`	`file`	`Strom_C: nope`
`22:15.41`	`justinu`	`liars, all of them`
`22:15.44`	`ManxPower`	`each phone has a REN. All RENs on a line cannot add up to more than X`
`22:15.53`	`file`	`or else the world explodes`
`22:15.54`	`Qwell[]`	`ManxPower: where X is the REN on the FXS?`
`22:15.58`	`file`	`and that's bad`
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`22:16.07`	`frenzy`	`hey folks`
`22:16.10`	`ManxPower`	`where X is something I would have to look up. Modern phones have such a low REN that it's not usually important anymore`
`22:16.30`	`justinu`	`i think it's 40`
`22:16.36`	`Strom_C`	`no, typically it's 5`
`22:16.39`	`justinu`	`oh`
`22:16.43`	`ManxPower`	`5 sounds more like it.`
`22:16.47`	`justinu`	`guess so`
`22:16.50`	`frenzy`	`I'm using fedora core three... all emails generated from php are sent out at apache@host.name.com`
`22:16.52`	`Strom_C`	`you typically can't have more than 3-5 WECo 500/2500 sets on a line`
`22:16.54`	`frenzy`	`where do I change this?`
`22:16.58`	`ManxPower`	`my phones have a REN of 0 or 0.1 or sometrhing like that`
`22:17.12`	`Strom_C`	`ManxPower, do you have any idea what might be causing my T1 problem?`
`22:17.17`	`Qwell[]`	`Where can you find out the REN of a phone?`
`22:17.26`	`Strom_C`	`Qwell[], it should be on the bottom of the phone`
`22:17.27`	`justinu`	`usually it's on the bottom`
`22:17.28`	`ManxPower`	`Qwell, look on the bottom`
`22:17.30`	`Qwell[]`	`oh`
`22:17.37`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, not really.`
`22:17.41`	`Strom_C`	`:/`
`22:17.47`	`justinu`	`why do my polycoms have no REN on the bottom? :P`
`22:17.52`	`ManxPower`	`Mostly T-1s either just work or they just don't. If they don't it's usually a telco problem.`
`22:18.01`	`Strom_C`	`ManxPower, this is not a telco T1`
`22:18.05`	`ManxPower`	`justinu, because Polycoms are not analog FXS`
`22:18.12`	`Strom_C`	`it goes from my digium card to my channel bank`
`22:18.22`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, did it ever work?`
`22:18.24`	`Strom_C`	`yes`
`22:18.26`	`Strom_C`	`it worked this morning`
`22:18.29`	`justinu`	`ManxPower: really? :P`
`22:18.33`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, then I can't help you.`
`22:18.40`	`Strom_C`	`why?`
`22:18.45`	`justinu`	`actually, i do have a polycom phone with an REN`
`22:18.46`	`Strom_C`	`:)`
`22:18.59`	`justinu`	`POTS speakerphone`
`22:19.00`	`ManxPower`	`for Asterisk<->Adtran CB, either it works right away or I wired up the cable wrong.`
`22:19.21`	`ManxPower`	`since you need a Crossover T-1 cable for that`
`22:19.30`	`justinu`	`i tried tellin him to use loopbacks to isolate the problem, but he didn't listen`
`22:19.31`	`Strom_C`	`yeah, but the weirdo thing is that I haven't changed any of the hardware between the card and the channel bank`
`22:19.39`	`Strom_C`	`justinu, because I don't know how to do that`
`22:19.49`	`justinu`	`that's how it's done`
`22:19.50`	`Strom_C`	`and you don't know how to walk me through it :)`
`22:19.54`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, the diagrams are on the Wiki`
`22:20.03`	`Strom_C`	`ManxPower, the cables WORKED ALL LAST WEEK`
`22:20.10`	`Strom_C`	`they're the same cables`
`22:20.11`	`justinu`	`shit happens`
`22:20.13`	`Strom_C`	`same card`
`22:20.17`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, I was referring to the loopback cableing`
`22:20.19`	`Qwell[]`	`Do you guys see anything obviously wrong with this (modified) diagram? http://wendymo.com/gallery/Linuxhelp/asterisk_skype?full=1`
`22:20.20`	`Strom_C`	`same channel banks`
`22:20.35`	`Strom_C`	`ManxPower - ok...can you help me with the loopback test if I make the cable?`
`22:21.00`	`Qwell[]`	`It started out as how to enable Skype for your whole house...I kinda changed it, for asterisk (and Skype)`
`22:21.01`	`justinu`	`there's not much to do`
`22:21.03`	`ManxPower`	`Qwell, other than the obvious mistake of having "Asterisk" and "Skype" in rh same URL>`
`22:21.05`	`justinu`	`either it comes up, or it doesn't`
`22:21.08`	`Qwell[]`	`ManxPower: :p`
`22:21.23`	`Strom_C`	`oh ok...so im just testing to see whether it goes green?`
`22:21.32`	`justinu`	`yep`
`22:21.42`	`Strom_C`	`oh, well why didnt you just say that in the first place? :/`
`22:22.02`	`justinu`	`i assume people will ask if they don't understand`
`22:22.17`	`tzanger`	`?`
`22:22.24`	`tzanger`	`T1 loopback is 1->4, 2->5`
`22:22.25`	`Strom_C`	`sorry, I thought "I don't know how to do that" was fairly synonymous with "I don't understand" :)`
`22:22.32`	`tzanger`	`yes pairs 1 and 3 sorry I misread that`
`22:22.40`	`tzanger`	`er pairs 1 and 2 sorry`
`22:22.41`	`justinu`	`i don't know how to tell a digium t1 card to loopback`
`22:22.56`	`justinu`	`but I know how to isolate a failed T1 with loopbacks`
`22:22.59`	`tzanger`	`pair 1 is is the middle pair, pair 2 is the leftmost one with the jack pins facing you and the tab pointing down`
`22:23.23`	`tzanger`	`ethernet uses pairs 2 and 3`
`22:23.31`	`tzanger`	`pair 3 is the one straddling the centermost pins (4&5)`
`22:23.56`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, do this. take the Asterisk<->channel bank cable and plug it between two asterisk ports`
`22:24.01`	`ManxPower`	`the ports should go green.`
`22:24.24`	`Strom_C`	`I'm used to telco wiring, where pair 1 is the center, pair 2 straddles it but with polarity reversed, pair 3 is leftmost, pair 4 is rightmost`
`22:24.36`	`Strom_C`	`okm hang on`
`22:24.36`	`ManxPower`	`if they don't you have either a cable problem (which is common -- the crimp is marginal and moving the cable breaks the marginal contacts)`
`22:24.37`	`IOscanner`	`well it still is not registering from the cisco 7960`
`22:24.48`	`ManxPower`	`or a card/computer problem, you can then eliminate the CB from the troubleshooting.`
`22:24.50`	`Strom_C`	`can I just loop the single port to itself?`
`22:24.59`	`Strom_C`	`again, I don't think it's the channel bank`
`22:25.16`	`justinu`	`your loopback cable will allow you to loop the port back to itself`
`22:25.22`	`justinu`	`it should go green if all is well`
`22:25.25`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, yes, you can loop just a single port with a loopback connector, but I've not done that very often.`
`22:25.54`	`Strom_C`	`ok, heres whats going on`
`22:26.05`	`Strom_C`	`span 2 (the bad one) stays red, span 3 (the good one) goes yellow`
`22:26.07`	`IOscanner`	`I have the proxy4_address:1.1.1.1; set, but it is not even trying to register to the 1.1.1.1 proxy`
`22:26.22`	`justinu`	`should go yellow for a few secs, then green`
`22:26.31`	`Strom_C`	`let me look again`
`22:26.51`	`ManxPower`	`IOscanner, can you ping the phone from the server?`
`22:26.53`	`Strom_C`	`nope, still yellow / red`
`22:26.57`	`IOscanner`	`it is trying to use the default proxy of the local pbx`
`22:26.59`	`IOscanner`	`yes`
`22:27.13`	`justinu`	`ok, so that means that port 3 cannot see an RX signal from port 2`
`22:27.16`	`ManxPower`	`IOscanner, I believe proxy is for OUTGOING CALLS.`
`22:27.17`	`IOscanner`	`I have one local PBX server and one remote server`
`22:27.21`	`ManxPower`	`you still have to tell the phone to REGISTER`
`22:27.24`	`justinu`	`so it's sending a YELLOW alarm`
`22:27.49`	`IOscanner`	`correct I need to be able to make and receive calls on the one extension from the remote PBX`
`22:28.05`	`IOscanner`	`it is trying to register with the local PBX. I can see it when I try to make a call.`
`22:29.08`	`Strom_C`	`justinu, do you have any idea what might be causing the problem, given that the card was working just fine until this morning?`
`22:29.20`	`justinu`	`how's that loopback cable coming? :)`
`22:29.24`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, maybe it just blew up.`
`22:29.30`	`justinu`	`it sounds like port 2 is fubard, man`
`22:29.43`	`Strom_C`	`let me try looping the port back to itself`
`22:29.59`	`ManxPower`	`All I can suggest is a power off and power on and try reseating the card.`
`22:30.42`	`Qwell[]`	`somebody should make a T1 loopback connector`
`22:30.44`	`Lloydie-t`	`I am trying to svn asterisk-sounds but can't find one for ver 1.2, do I just use the one in 1.0?`
`22:30.49`	`Qwell[]`	`similar to the ethernet ones`
`22:30.55`	`justinu`	`Qwell: i have a whole drawer full of them`
`22:31.03`	`Qwell[]`	`Lloydie-t: use trunk`
`22:31.12`	`Qwell[]`	`There is no 1.2 branch for asterisk-sounds`
`22:31.30`	`Qwell[]`	`Lloydie-t: There IS a tag for 1.2.1 though`
`22:31.37`	`justinu`	`bantam loopbacks, rj45 loopbacks`
`22:31.48`	`justinu`	`DS3 bnc loopbacks`
`22:31.52`	`Qwell[]`	`neat`
`22:31.55`	`Lloydie-t`	`I'll give the 1.2.1 a try`
`22:32.04`	`Qwell[]`	`Lloydie-t: tags/1.2.1`
`22:33.10`	`Strom_C`	`alright, it's loopback time!`
`22:33.32`	`justinu`	`lol`
`22:33.37`	`justinu`	`why'd he have to leave to do that?`
`22:33.46`	`Qwell[]`	`He didn't`
`22:33.51`	`justinu`	`strange guy`
`22:33.54`	`Lloydie-t`	`ah ha. thanks Qwell[].`
`22:34.16`	`Strom_C`	`im still here`
`22:34.24`	`justinu`	`oh`
`22:34.25`	`Strom_C`	`ok, now this is odd`
`22:34.32`	`Strom_C`	`when I do a loopback test, both ports go green`
`22:34.33`	`justinu`	`my irc client is kinda funky`
`22:34.51`	`justinu`	`both ports?`
`22:34.54`	`Strom_C`	`yup`
`22:34.58`	`justinu`	`which ports?`
`22:34.59`	`Strom_C`	`individual loopback`
`22:35.01`	`Strom_C`	`2 and 3`
`22:35.03`	`justinu`	`oh, ok`
`22:35.14`	`justinu`	`but when you plug 2 into 3 with a xover cable, it doesn't work?`
`22:35.17`	`justinu`	`bad cable then`
`22:35.29`	`Strom_C`	`im going to make another xover cable to connect them together just to make sure the one I used isn't fucked`
`22:37.13`	`justinu`	`try plugging your LB cable into the channel bank, just for fuck's sake`
`22:37.44`	`Strom_C`	`i seriously doubt its the channel banks, because if i put either bank into span 3, it works`
`22:37.50`	`justinu`	`ok`
`22:37.56`	`IOscanner`	`found it`
`22:38.06`	`IOscanner`	`you can't have outbound_proxy: 1.1.1.1; set`
`22:38.19`	`justinu`	`yeah, told you that you didnt' need that.`
`22:38.27`	`IOscanner`	`it overrides the proxy1_address`
`22:38.28`	`Fubster`	`hey strom`
`22:38.31`	`IOscanner`	`cool thenks`
`22:38.34`	`IOscanner`	`thanks`
`22:38.42`	`Strom_C`	`hi fubster`
`22:39.28`	`Fubster`	`i'm trying to wrap my head around asterisk, it's pretty difficult. asterisk: the future of telephony (print book) is somewhat confusing. i'll get it, though :)`
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`22:41.31`	`deb_user`	`question: will it affect anything if I install zaptel after I install asterisk?`
`22:41.41`	`justinu`	`certain things won't get built`
`22:41.44`	`justinu`	`like app_meetme`
`22:42.19`	`ManxPower`	`~docs`
`22:42.20`	`jbot`	`extra, extra, read all about it, docs is probably Documentation can be found at http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk or http://www.asteriskdocs.org or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk or http://www.asteriskguru.com, or http://www.astmasters.net/howtos.html`
`22:42.31`	`ManxPower`	`Fubster, is that the one fro O'Reilly?`
`22:42.48`	`ManxPower`	`~mailinglist`
`22:42.50`	`jbot`	`extra, extra, read all about it, mailinglist is Search Asterisk mailing lists by prepending site:lists.digium.com to your Google search. Browse the mailing list archive at http://lists.digium.com/ or search through it at http://www.asteriskguru.com/archives/search.php, or and there is also the Macintosh Asterisk mailing list at http://www.astmasters.net/maml.html`
`22:43.05`	`Qwell[]`	`ManxPower: it is`
`22:43.15`	`Qwell[]`	`the one blitzrage and friends wrote`
`22:43.41`	`ManxPower`	`Qwell, I can never remember which is the good one (blitzrage and friends) and which one is crappy (the yellow one)`
`22:43.59`	`Strom_C`	`ok, my first loopback cable was bad`
`22:44.06`	`Strom_C`	`if I loop them together, they go green`
`22:44.10`	`deb_user`	`justin: can I add a Digium Wildcard AFTER install both asterisk and zaptel?`
`22:44.16`	`justinu`	`yeah`
`22:44.27`	`justinu`	`strom_c: so then the digium card seems fine`
`22:44.28`	`deb_user`	`so the hardware doesn't have to be installed on the machine first?`
`22:44.29`	`Strom_C`	`yeah`
`22:44.31`	`Strom_C`	`weirdness`
`22:44.32`	`justinu`	`deb_user: nope`
`22:44.44`	`Fubster`	`ManxPower- yes`
`22:45.03`	`deb_user`	`justinu: its little things like that that can save a lot of time and frustration in the long run; thanks for your reply`
`22:45.09`	`justinu`	`sure`
`22:45.50`	`Fubster`	`it's a bit confusing, they give configuration examples without explaining them, and make duplicate contexts in the same config file without warning`
`22:46.03`	`Strom_C`	`still no audio path from span 2 to the channel bank though`
`22:46.10`	`Strom_C`	`just "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"`
`22:46.24`	`justinu`	`lights are all green now?`
`22:46.33`	`Strom_C`	`yes`
`22:47.45`	`justinu`	`not sure what to tell you at this point`
`22:48.00`	`justinu`	`not that familiar with the FXO loopstart signalling on T1s`
`22:48.12`	`justinu`	`only really dealt with PRI and E&M wink`
`22:48.13`	`Strom_C`	`whats weird is that 2 and 3 are configured identically`
`22:48.23`	`Strom_C`	`the PRI works, 3 works, 2 is fucked`
`22:49.00`	`shido6`	`heh`
`22:49.00`	`shido6`	`d one at a time`
`22:49.22`	`shido6`	`configure them one at a time`
`22:49.35`	`shido6`	`make sure the timing is right on each`
`22:49.45`	`Strom_C`	`shido6, they worked all last week`
`22:49.51`	`ManxPower`	`Here at #asterisk we do things the old fashioned way: One D-channel at a time`
`22:49.59`	`justinu`	`that's what everyone says`
`22:50.02`	`justinu`	`it worked fine yesterday`
`22:50.03`	`Strom_C`	`haha`
`22:50.04`	`shido6`	`then kill or make a meal of the gremlin jumping rope with yorur cables`
`22:50.19`	`shido6`	`and ask if there is an intern handling your account`
`22:50.19`	`justinu`	`it worked fine until you touched it`
`22:50.28`	`shido6`	`lol`
`22:50.30`	`Strom_C`	`haha`
`22:50.46`	`Strom_C`	`well the weird thing is if I plug this channel bank into span 3, I get dial tone`
`22:51.03`	`justinu`	`and the config for spans 2,3 is identical in zapata`
`22:51.06`	`Strom_C`	`and if I plug the other channel bank into span 2, I get the whining`
`22:51.11`	`Strom_C`	`yes, the config is absolutely identical`
`22:51.14`	`justinu`	`so again, can we just try span 4?`
`22:51.15`	`ManxPower`	`Strom_C, what Make/Model of channel bank?`
`22:51.21`	`justinu`	`just for fuck's sake, ya know`
`22:51.45`	`Qwell[]`	`Strom_C: Come pick me up, I'll help you out. :p`
`22:51.56`	`Strom_C`	`ManxPower, Adtran total access 624`
`22:52.12`	`Strom_C`	`yeah, lemme turn up 4...`
`22:52.13`	`ManxPower`	`At this point my only advice is to take a bong hit and hope things start to make sense.`
`22:52.17`	`justinu`	`lol`
`22:52.29`	`justinu`	`amazingly enough, sometimes it works`
`22:52.39`	`shido6`	`on the left hand side`
`22:52.43`	`jbroome`	`on the lef... damn`
`22:52.47`	`justinu`	`lol`
`22:52.55`	`Strom_C`	`pass the cutchie on the left hand side`
`22:52.56`	`Strom_C`	`etc etc`
`22:53.00`	`Strom_C`	`dont you remember the 80s? :)`
`22:53.04`	`justinu`	`dutchie on the left`
`22:53.07`	`justinu`	`coochie on the right`
`22:53.20`	`Strom_C`	`cutchie (pot pipe), not coocie (vagina)`
`22:53.24`	`justinu`	`oh`
`22:53.49`	`IOscanner`	`is there a way to tell nat:1; and nat_address:1.1.1.1; is only for one extension. I can't get it to work with out it. It then breaks the local PBX extensions`
`22:53.50`	`justinu`	`i'd never heard that term used outside that song`
`22:53.57`	`IOscanner`	`for cisco 7960`
`22:54.35`	`shido6`	`what?`
`22:54.37`	`Strom_C`	`the record company made them change it to dutchie, which is like a cooking pot or something`
`22:54.44`	`shido6`	`rephrase, IOscanner`
`22:54.45`	`justinu`	`ah`
`22:55.19`	`justinu`	`Strom_C: were you the one who's wife was complaing about the phones being out?`
`22:55.38`	`Qwell[]`	`justinu: Strom_C is the one with the payphone outside the kitchen. :p`
`22:55.45`	`justinu`	`hahah`
`22:55.56`	`justinu`	`that's a brilliant idea`
`22:56.08`	`justinu`	`my wife would love that`
`22:56.15`	`IOscanner`	`I have one extension on a cisco 7960 connects to a remote PBX. It works if I put nat:1; and nat_address:1.1.1.1; into the phones cnf file. But then it breaks the local extensions. and doesn't work if I don't have the nat* options in the cnf file`
`22:56.33`	`Qwell[]`	`IOscanner: Don't put nat in the phone config. Let the PBX handle it`
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`22:57.00`	`justinu`	`IOscanner: right, does your sip.conf have nat=yes set for the peer?`
`22:57.10`	`IOscanner`	`I tried and it doesn't seem to work`
`22:57.54`	`IOscanner`	`yes I have nat= yes for that peer on the remote pbx`
`22:58.00`	`justinu`	`odd`
`22:58.20`	`Qwell[]`	`IOscanner: Is the asterisk box behind NAT?`
`22:58.26`	`Qwell[]`	`A DIFFERENT NAT than the phone...`
`22:58.34`	`IOscanner`	`let me drop it again and see what sip peer shows`
`22:58.43`	`justinu`	`drop that bitch`
`22:59.01`	`justinu`	`just to be clear: turn off nat on the phone`
`22:59.05`	`Strom_C`	`now asterisk is crashing with:`
`22:59.06`	`Strom_C`	`Ouch ... error while writing audio data: : Broken pipe`
`22:59.07`	`justinu`	`turn on nat in sip.conf`
`22:59.15`	`IOscanner`	`yes asterisk is behind nat on the remote end with portfw`
`22:59.35`	`justinu`	`Strom_C: use -vvvvc`
`22:59.37`	`justinu`	`to start`
`22:59.40`	`justinu`	`see why it dies`
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`22:59.54`	`Strom_C`	`wait, I made a dumb mistake`
`22:59.58`	`justinu`	`and stop dropping the cutchie`
`23:00.04`	`justinu`	`a broken pipe is useless`
`23:00.07`	`jebba`	`anyone here used RAGI? (Ruby on Rails + Asterisk)`
`23:00.23`	`justinu`	`sounds way too cutting edge for me`
`23:00.37`	`jebba`	`;)`
`23:01.50`	`IOscanner`	`yep confirmed I ahve nat=yes on that extension`
`23:02.38`	`Strom_C`	`ok, justinu...if I move the extension on span 2 to span 4 and plug the channel bank into that, it works`
`23:03.07`	`Strom_C`	`so something's screwy with span 2`
`23:03.28`	`justinu`	`yeah, sounds like it... i'd talk to digium about their funky card`
`23:04.00`	`Lloydie-t`	`getting error when trying to start '/usr/lib/asterisk/modules/chan_modem.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory' any ideas?`
`23:06.27`	`IOscanner`	`will nat=yes work for a nated asterisk`
`23:06.36`	`IOscanner`	`it doesn't seem to`
`23:09.23`	`trixter`	`do you have externip and localnet defined?`
`23:10.06`	`IOscanner`	`yes in the remote PBX`
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`23:11.27`	`trixter`	`is your local one natted?`
`23:11.29`	`Qwell[]`	`Are they on different NATs?`
`23:11.54`	`trixter`	`you have to have nat configured for each box that does nat, not just one, unless only one is natted`
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`23:16.51`	`Strom_C`	`ok`
`23:16.57`	`Strom_C`	`I reseated the card and it works fine now`
`23:16.59`	`Strom_C`	`WHAT THE FUCK`
`23:17.06`	`justinu`	`lol`
`23:17.11`	`justinu`	`pci hardware sucks`
`23:17.12`	`Qwell[]`	`gotta love pci`
`23:17.19`	`Strom_C`	`thank god these things are designed to be durable`
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`23:19.36`	`Fubster`	`yeah i feel like an idiot. i have spent days trying to figure out why i was getting call not approved errors in x-lite, then i figure out that when i told it not to have prefix dial digits, it didn't listen`
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`23:21.28`	`file[laptop]`	`Qwell[]: @#%!#$@%`
`23:21.30`	`file[laptop]`	`...HI`
`23:21.34`	`Qwell[]`	`OMG`
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`23:24.08`	`Strom_C`	`do any of you have a phone with caller ID name display? I need to test my outgoing service to make sure it shows up correctly`
`23:24.25`	`Qwell[]`	`I do at home...`
`23:24.27`	`justinu`	`a sip phone?`
`23:24.32`	`justinu`	`or PSTN?`
`23:24.35`	`Strom_C`	`something that will receive name`
`23:24.42`	`justinu`	`it probably won't pass over the PSTN`
`23:24.46`	`Strom_C`	`preferably PSTN, but SIP will do if it shows name on inbound from PSTN`
`23:24.50`	`Strom_C`	`no, this is my PRI trunk :)`
`23:25.06`	`Strom_C`	`I need to see whether SBC munged up the name during the cutover`
`23:25.10`	`justinu`	`yeah, but it still has to go from LEC->IXC->LEC again`
`23:25.19`	`Strom_C`	`better than nothing`
`23:25.35`	`justinu`	`/msg strom_c try 818-584-2305`
`23:25.41`	`justinu`	`lol`
`23:25.46`	`justinu`	`that's nice`
`23:25.48`	`Strom_C`	`hah, i'm in 310, so its not going via IXC`
`23:25.56`	`Strom_C`	`awesome`
`23:25.59`	`Strom_C`	`one moment`
`23:26.01`	`Qwell[]`	`"<justinu> hmm, it shows North Antara"`
`23:26.03`	`Qwell[]`	`:p`
`23:26.15`	`justinu`	`?`
`23:26.18`	`Qwell[]`	`nothing`
`23:26.24`	`justinu`	`no name`
`23:26.32`	`Strom_C`	`hm`
`23:26.37`	`justinu`	`that's level3 sip origination`
`23:26.42`	`Strom_C`	`number show up ok?`
`23:26.46`	`justinu`	`yeah`
`23:26.58`	`Strom_C`	`do you have a POTS line in 818?`
`23:27.06`	`justinu`	`yeah`
`23:27.50`	`justinu`	`that one says "out of area"`
`23:28.03`	`Strom_C`	`VZ or SBC?`
`23:28.14`	`justinu`	`oh, actually, i forgot, that's not pots at all`
`23:28.16`	`justinu`	`sorry`
`23:28.20`	`justinu`	`i have no POTS anymore`
`23:28.23`	`Strom_C`	`gahhh`
`23:28.23`	`justinu`	`disconnected everything`
`23:28.32`	`Qwell[]`	`justinu: I know a guy that can get you some`
`23:28.49`	`justinu`	`lol`
`23:28.56`	`justinu`	`got that covered as well`
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`23:34.18`	`IOscanner`	`Can you not nat=yes on a remote asterisk box that is being nat'ed with portfw. I have externip and localnet setup on the remote PBX`
`23:34.59`	`IOscanner`	`I have nat=yes on the extension on the remote PBX. My 7960 phone is in a nat'ed network remote from the remote PBX.`
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`23:53.06`	`[TK]D-Fender`	`IOscanner : make sure to use "canreinvite=no" for your phones.`
`23:54.57`	`IOscanner`	`correct canreinvite=no`
`23:55.16`	`Qwell[]`	`IOscanner: What actually happens?`
`23:55.21`	`Qwell[]`	`Does it just not register?`
`23:55.37`	`IOscanner`	`sip debug peer show the private ip of the phone on my network instead of the public ip of my gateway`
`23:55.39`	`NewSole`	`got a real screwey one for you guys... sip based problem...... we can call in from PSTN => SIP and use DTMF tones..... but on Same System we can not user DTMF if We go SIP => PSTN..... any ideas`
`23:55.59`	`IOscanner`	`If I turn on nat_enable it works fine, but I can't use my local extensions`
`23:56.08`	`IOscanner`	`I have nat=yes on the remote extension`
`23:56.34`	`IOscanner`	`but my remote asterisk box is nat'ed and has externip and localnet set.`
`23:57.08`	`Strom_C`	`it's rapidly becoming apparent that the T1 card and the sound card don't want to play together`
`23:57.22`	`Qwell[]`	`Strom_C: cat /proc/interrupts`
`23:57.49`	`Strom_C`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:57.49`	`Strom_C`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:57.49`	`Strom_C`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:57.49`	`Strom_C`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:57.50`	`Strom_C`	`169: 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd`
`23:57.51`	`Strom_C`	`177: 0 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd`
`23:57.53`	`Strom_C`	`185: 0 IO-APIC-level libata, uhci_hcd`
`23:57.55`	`Strom_C`	`193: 0 IO-APIC-level ehci_hcd`
`23:57.57`	`Strom_C`	`201: 29 IO-APIC-level ioc0`
`23:58.00`	`Strom_C`	`209: 2797 IO-APIC-level megaraid`
`23:58.01`	`Strom_C`	`225: 978 IO-APIC-level eth0`
`23:58.03`	`Strom_C`	`233: 116 IO-APIC-level eth1`
`23:58.05`	`Strom_C`	`NMI: 0`
`23:58.07`	`Strom_C`	`LOC: 212146`
`23:58.09`	`Strom_C`	`ERR: 0`
`23:58.11`	`Strom_C`	`MIS: 0`
`23:58.13`	`Strom_C`	`er`
`23:58.15`	`Strom_C`	`crap`
`23:58.16`	`Qwell[]`	`little much :p`
`23:58.17`	`Strom_C`	`that should all have gone into a PM`
`23:58.19`	`Strom_C`	`sorry`
`23:58.24`	`*** join/#asterisk gnosys (n=gnosys@ip68-9-201-250.ri.ri.cox.net)`
`23:58.31`	`Qwell[]`	`yeah, no irq sharing`
`23:58.32`	`*** join/#asterisk Ridgeback (n=jircii@104.243.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com)`
`23:58.39`	`Qwell[]`	`Is that with the soundcard in?`
`23:58.43`	`Strom_C`	`yeah, but the T1 card fails miserably with the soundcard in`
`23:58.44`	`Strom_C`	`yes`
`23:58.52`	`Qwell[]`	`fun`
`23:59.11`	`Strom_C`	`when i take the soundcard out, the T1 card gets pushed to interrupt 233`
`23:59.43`	`Qwell[]`	`with eth1?`
`23:59.48`	`Strom_C`	`no, on its own`
`23:59.51`	`IOscanner`	`so any have any ideas if what I am doing will work?`
`23:59.52`	`Strom_C`	`eth1 goes to 225`
`23:59.55`	`Qwell[]`	`oh`

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