irclog2html for #asterisk on 20041110

00:00.14aminorexhow does ro feel about that, postel?
00:00.47postelaminorex: bout what?
00:00.54postelhahah
00:00.57posteljust got it
00:01.06posteldamn, its almost midnight
00:01.56Blackthornwell i got rh into some type of maintance mode, fixed a ton of file errors, loaded my backup files into asterisk directory and it's up and working. but i'd better start building backup machine tommorw i can see
00:02.02Blackthornthanks all your help. and g'night
00:02.25postelnice it worked out for you dude
00:03.03Blackthorni'm sure it's only a temporary fix, if it corupted like that once, it do it again i'm sure
00:03.06Blackthorn~out~
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00:09.02twisted[work]kram
00:09.04twisted[work]dial busted
00:09.24Roger1what are ppl using to rate cdrs?
00:09.30twisted[work]can't use it on chan_local, as it releases control from dial as an ANSWER status even with the L() options
00:10.01puzzledRoger1: prolly homegrown or maybe rate_engine <-- search voip-info.org
00:11.33Roger1yeah i have. i was using rate-engine, but it does not compile on CVS-HEAD
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00:12.15glLoadIdentityhi all
00:12.38glLoadIdentityhow can i solve irq conflict problem with 3 digium cards ?
00:12.53glLoadIdentity2 of them shares the same irq
00:13.21nestAryou try setting the irqs manually by slot in bios?
00:13.32glLoadIdentityyep
00:13.41florzglLoadIdentity: ask google (and your mainboard) for ioapic
00:15.57plungerboyupgrade to fedora2
00:16.23plungerboyupgrade to acpi supporting kernel
00:17.14PatrickDKacpi is good
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00:18.51plungerboythey should not recommend redhat9 anymore for asterisk.
00:18.54twisted[work]bkw_, actually, it passes off the timelimit to the bridge
00:19.01twisted[work]the bridge should then limit the calltime
00:19.33glLoadIdentityplungerboy, i am using acpi
00:19.56plungerboywhich distro?
00:20.10glLoadIdentityplungerboy, suse 9.1
00:20.12plungerboyand what kernel?
00:20.25glLoadIdentity2.6.x
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00:21.06glLoadIdentityplungerboy, 2.6.5-7.111-default
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00:21.52plungerboyirq misses?
00:22.26plungerboydual processor?
00:23.47glLoadIdentityplungerboy, no just a single cpu
00:24.59plungerboydid u turn off unnessary hardware in bios already?
00:25.20glLoadIdentityyes
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00:25.53AgiNamuhi
00:26.06AgiNamuwhen I install the TDM card, shouldnt I see the channels with the "show channels" command?
00:26.12plungerboyif u pull out one card and leave 2, does it still have problem?
00:26.41jdgshow channels shows only active channels
00:27.06PatrickDKaginamu, the ztcfg -v command should show them too you
00:27.46glLoadIdentityplungerboy, yep
00:27.56plungerboyyep it works fine?
00:29.09AgiNamuhmm
00:29.16AgiNamuztcfg -v says 2 channels
00:29.24AgiNamuI have my phone in the fxs module of the tdm
00:29.29AgiNamubut no dialtone
00:29.57Shidoyes
00:30.04Shidoso what context did you give to the phone
00:30.04Shido?
00:30.12AgiNamui made a context called zap
00:30.16AgiNamui set immediate=no
00:30.19AgiNamuin the zapata.conf
00:30.21Shidoand whats in that context?
00:30.22glLoadIdentityplungerboy, it does not work
00:30.35plungerboythen single card?
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00:30.50glLoadIdentityplungerboy, but it works ok when i power off the pc and then power on (with 3 cards)
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00:31.17glLoadIdentityplungerboy, it does not work after a reboot
00:31.25AgiNamuShido: Do I have to have something specific in that context for dialtone to be produced
00:31.47plungerboycan you assign irq in bios?
00:31.47AgiNamumy config: http://pastebin.ca/2011
00:32.03Shidothere are specific things that shouldnt be in the context if you want to hear dialtone
00:32.23Shidoany exten => s, ?  in that context?
00:32.48AgiNamuyes, I did exten => s,1, Answer s,2,Background(tt-monkeysintro)
00:32.49glLoadIdentityplungerboy, yes.. it does not solve my problem
00:32.56plungerboyhmm
00:33.06AgiNamuok
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00:33.09AgiNamunow I took the s out
00:33.20plungerboyi never tried wiht 3 cards in one machine.
00:33.23AgiNamuso all I have is exten => 2,1,Background(tt-monkeys)
00:33.33Shidoerrr
00:33.42plungerboybut i had problem with 2 cards
00:33.43Shidothen it has to play the monkey intro
00:33.50Shidowhen u pick up the phone
00:33.53AgiNamuyea, nothing at all happens
00:33.59AgiNamuand when I remove it, nothing happens
00:34.03plungerboykernel upgrade with fedora2 solved my issue.
00:34.05Shidois that file in /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/
00:34.06AgiNamuDo I need something in modules.conf to load zap?
00:34.06Shido?
00:34.13AgiNamuyea, and the console shows nothing either.
00:34.14Shidowith a dot gsm or dot wav or dot some codec
00:34.15Shido?
00:34.19plungerboysorry not much help.
00:34.28Shidorestart asterisk -vvvvgc
00:34.31Shidoand pick up the phone
00:34.44AgiNamunothing
00:34.49AgiNamunothing on console, nothing on phone
00:34.59AgiNamuthere is power on the phone
00:35.06AgiNamucause the LCD is lit up
00:35.17AgiNamu(i.e., I didnt plug it into an FXO module)
00:35.44glLoadIdentityplungerboy, :) thanks
00:37.41plungerboynp :) good luck.
00:38.32plungerboyit was trial and error thing. i pulled my hairoff for a week.
00:40.23AgiNamushould the asterisk console mention anything about zaptel when it starts up?
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00:49.29brc__http://www.example.com/asdfasdf
00:49.43brc__~ping
00:49.44jbotpong
00:50.30ChulJin~pong
00:50.31jbotwheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
00:50.44ChulJin~wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
00:51.03ChulJinu-huh...not as smart as you thought you were. :P
00:51.13ChulJinjbot: wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee is ping
00:51.14jbotChulJin: okay
00:51.31_Vileinteresting, Person A calls in through our PRI, to Person B, Person B transfers the call to Person C.. (not Blind Xfer, Blind Xfer works fine), Person B hears Person C talking, Person C hears Music On Hold
00:51.37AgiNamu]: channel.c:1901 ast_request: No channel type registered for 'ZAP'
00:51.39_Vileseems like a bug since it's on a lower level than contexts?
00:51.46AgiNamuOK um, I must just be seriously fucked up :)
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00:53.25_Vileor maybe im smoking crack here and fucked up my contexts?
00:54.26AgiNamugot a P4 2.26 instead of a Celeron 366 :)
00:54.30AgiNamuso much nicer.
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01:03.39tzangerhey
01:04.12tzangercan anyone help me get a pri_net setup working?  I'm talking to a Norstar MICS, the D chan is up but any call I place to the MICS gets denied (protocol error) and when I go to pick up a line on the MICS it just says no free lines
01:04.33tzangernow pri debug is where I got the protocol error message when *->MICS call, but when I try to pick up a line on the MICS * doesn't see anything
01:04.48tzangerswitchtype=national on * and NI-2 on MICS whcih I understand is more or less the same
01:05.06tzangerI've tried a pridialplan of national as well and also with it commented out (whcih is the default of 'unknown')
01:05.12tzangerany help would be GREATLY appreciated
01:05.48Mavvieswitchtype = national
01:05.53Mavviepridialplan = unknown
01:05.57Mavviethat's what I have here
01:06.05tzangerMavvie: you're talking to a mICS?
01:06.13tzangerthat is what I have for the Bell Canada PRI too and it works great
01:06.14MavvieI was talking to Telstra.
01:06.26tzangertelstra is a telco though, no?
01:06.32Mavvieyes.
01:06.46MavvieAustralian telco
01:06.46tzangeryeah this is to a KSU
01:06.58tzangermy other * box is talking to a telco with PRI, this is talking to a KSU
01:07.07Mavvieand canada, also part of the commonwealth, so it will use the same settings :-)
01:07.13tzangerMavvie: :-)
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01:08.33ChulJinhaha
01:09.03ChulJinthe Commonwealth have common phone signaling?
01:09.39MavvieChulJin: All these countries have so much in common, nothing surprises me anymore.
01:11.55ChulJinnope
01:12.21ChulJingoing through the list in alphabetical order, I only get as far as Antigua and Barbuda vs Australia before it's already different. :P
01:12.32Mavvieaha :-)
01:13.57ChulJinthough the Commonwealth countries in the Caribbean seem to be in sync
01:14.31jhavardokay, I'm having a problem with a tdm400
01:15.17jhavardif a call disconnects just before it picks up during the ring, it apparently never recognizes the call disconnected.
01:15.52AgiNamuZT_CHANCONFIG failed on channel 1: No such device or address (6)
01:15.52AgiNamuwtf
01:16.04AgiNamumodprobe zaptel and wcfxs works just fine.
01:16.30ChulJin~seen JerJer
01:16.31jbotjerjer <~mine@d2-236.rt-bras.che.centurytel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 1d 5h 31s ago, saying: 'there is no more iaxfriends or sipfriends'.
01:17.52redder86what is a multiplexer?
01:18.09ChulJinhave any of you Gentlemen ordered a 'vanity' 800 DID through nufone?
01:18.09bkw_PRASE JESUS
01:18.11bkw_Attorney General John Ashcroft and Commerce Secretary Don Evans have resigned, the White House said -- the first signs of a second-term shakeup for the Bush administration.
01:18.17ChulJinbkw: about time.
01:18.20bkw_YAY
01:18.26ChulJin(you noticed, I mean)
01:18.43redder86ChulJin: I've a toll-free DID from NuFone.  Not a "vanity" one, though.
01:18.55mlh407I have a vanity one
01:19.16ChulJinI heard it on the radio some 2.5 hours ago, and the first words typed into IRC when I got back to my computer were
01:19.16ChulJin* ChulJin high-fives bkw_
01:19.16ChulJin<ChulJin> I heard it on the radio on the way back from my dentist appointment.
01:19.47ChulJinmlh: how long did it take to provision? there are 4 hours left of the worst-case 10 days quoted
01:19.48BoRiSLess bush followers = the better :-p
01:20.06jhavardchuljin: it takes 7 to 10 days.
01:20.11jhavardjust as they say it does.
01:20.24jhavardIt's not really their fault, it's just the way things are.
01:20.34ChulJinoh I don't doubt it.
01:20.52AgiNamuSo, any idea why ztcfg doesnt work?
01:20.53ChulJinthough I know almost anyone giving time estimates overestimates to look good later :P
01:21.10ChulJinit'll show up in the 11th hour, I expect. :P
01:21.29jhavardaginamu: what modules do you have loaded?
01:21.45AgiNamui did modprobe zaptel wcfxs and wcfxo
01:21.47AgiNamujust in case
01:21.50AgiNamuand they all ran fine
01:21.55jhavarddrop the wcfxo
01:22.15jhavardI'm assuming its for a tdm400, right?
01:22.21AgiNamuyes sorry
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01:22.40AgiNamuok i removed wcfxo
01:22.45AgiNamustill: ZT_CHANCONFIG failed on channel 1: No such device or address (6)
01:23.03jhavardgo ahead and remove the wcfxs and zaptel drivers.
01:23.07jhavardbetter yet, reboot.
01:23.35jhavardjust to make sure you get started at a sane state.
01:23.35AgiNamui think it might be loading on start
01:23.39jhavardthat too
01:23.40AgiNamusince i ran make config
01:23.43AgiNamuin zaptel
01:24.22jhavardedit that script to make sure it onl has wcfxs in there.
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01:24.50AgiNamuok ill go check
01:25.07jhavardfor bot the MODULES and RMODULES lines
01:25.22jhavardor better yet
01:25.28jhavardkill that script and make your own
01:26.04jhavardall it needs to do is modprobe zaptel and wcfxs, then run ztcfg
01:26.54AgiNamuok reebooted
01:27.01AgiNamuonly zaptel is loaded (accorind to lsmod)
01:27.08AgiNamushould i modprobe wcfxs
01:28.00jhavarddo an 'lsmode | grep zaptel'
01:28.19jhavardwhat does it give you?
01:28.24JunK-Yits lsmod
01:28.28JunK-Y:)
01:28.28AgiNamulsmod gives me: zaptel                216708  0
01:28.29AgiNamu:)
01:28.39jhavarderr, yeah, lsmod
01:28.52jhavardokay, do the modprobe wcfxs
01:31.28jhavardthen do the lsmod thing again, it should have wcfxs in there, and list the zaptel module as used by wcfxs
01:32.21ManxPoweractually it may show up as wctdm
01:32.56jhavardnew name to be less confusing?
01:33.01twistedanyone know what RFC we're modeling chan_sip after?
01:33.13AgiNamuZT_CHANCONFIG failed on channel 1: No such device or address (6)
01:33.13AgiNamuFATAL: Error running install command for wcfxs
01:33.25AgiNamuwait
01:33.26AgiNamulemme try again
01:33.40JunK-Ytwisted: isnt 3561 ?
01:33.49AgiNamuI load zaptel first eh
01:33.50twistedJunK-Y, may be
01:34.13cursorSIP is RFC 2543
01:34.21AgiNamuyea, same thing
01:34.31AgiNamushall I reboot to ensure it's fresh
01:34.45cursorreboot?
01:34.48cursorAre you a Windows user?
01:34.58twistedcursor, the one in *?
01:34.58AgiNamuwell, i heard that helps with the zaptel hardware sometimes.
01:35.06twistedi thought 2543 was depricated
01:35.18cursorIt's mentioned in chan_sip.c
01:35.33bkw_their are two RFC's dealing with something related with SIP
01:35.34twistedright.
01:35.37cursorIn one of the very rare Asterisk code comments
01:35.41twistedhehe
01:35.43JunK-Y3261 ?
01:36.19jhavard2543  Obsoleted by RFC3261, RFC3262, RFC3263, RFC3264, RFC3265
01:36.20cursorIt could do with some sorting out
01:36.27JunK-Ycursor: i think chan_sip is more based on 3261 then 2543.
01:36.34cursorvery tangled in there
01:36.55cursor(JunK-Y) ok
01:37.08jhavardwow, now that's expansion... so "great" it needs 5 freakin' documents to, err, document it.
01:37.52cursorSIP and RTP have lots of RFCs between them
01:38.06cursorIAX has no RFCs at all yet
01:38.11cursorIt'd be nice to standardise it
01:38.13bkw_RFC's are good material to put you to sleep
01:38.17jhavardeh, an rfc doesn't really mean anything.
01:38.20_Vilegetting on hold music to the called party on a transfer, Person A calls in through our PRI to Person B, Person B transfers the call to Person C.. (not Blind Xfer, Blind Xfer works fine), Person B hears Person C talking, but Person C hears Music On Hold... and the * console says "stopped music on hold"
01:38.30cursorRFCs mean quite a lot
01:38.38cursorit's documentaton
01:38.46jhavardright, it's documentation.
01:38.59_Vilebug or context issue?
01:39.06cursorand people who adhere to the docs can call their implementations "standard"
01:39.18cursorso RFCs are considered to be standards
01:39.41jhavardhey, I have a PAP2 to sell you that supports all SIP RFC's!
01:39.50jhavardIt's standards compliant.
01:40.29cursorSIP is just a small part of a VoIP PBX
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01:41.14cursorAnd I'd rather have a plain Sipura than a Linksys anyway
01:41.17_Vileupdating to the latest cvs, but i think ive got a bug
01:41.27cursorCVS head or CVS v1-0?
01:41.31_Vilehead
01:41.41cursorok
01:41.52_Vile11-09-04 17:31:28
01:42.03cursorI've moved to v1-0 (today's version)
01:42.17AgiNamuok the second time I try modprobe wcfxs it is ok
01:42.20cursorI'm not doing Asterisk development any longer
01:42.28cursorI'll just maintain the patches I have
01:42.38AgiNamubut ztcfg still fails: ZT_CHANCONFIG failed on channel 1: No such device or address (6)
01:43.17cursor(_Vile) what's the bug?
01:43.38_VilePerson A calls in through our PRI to Person B, Person B transfers the call to Person C.. (not Blind Xfer, Blind Xfer works fine), Person B hears Person C talking, but Person C hears Music On Hold... and the * console says "stopped music on hold"
01:44.02cursordid it work yesterday?
01:44.37cursorthere was an xfer patch today (I think it was today)
01:44.39_Vilesecond day of production since upgrade from cvs/june or july
01:44.44_Vileand no same issue yest
01:44.50_Vilehmm
01:44.57_Vilemaybe this'll catch it then
01:44.59_Vilecoo
01:45.21cursoroh
01:45.26cursorit was a backport to v1-0
01:45.27cursorLog Message:
01:45.27cursorFix supervised transfer (bug #2813)
01:45.50_Vilebackport?
01:45.55_Vileahh
01:46.04_Vileso this should fix it?
01:46.19cursorThe patch went into head yesterday
01:46.35_Vileexcellent tx
01:46.36cursorand after extensive testing, it was backported to v1-0 today
01:47.02_Vileyup tx
01:47.03cursorextensive testing by whomever reads the CVS mail list :-)
01:47.44AgiNamuare there sub versions for every backport
01:47.49AgiNamui.e., 1.0.2.4
01:47.51AgiNamuand so on?
01:47.52cursorno
01:47.56AgiNamuwhy not?
01:48.01cursorthere's v1-0
01:48.08cursorwhich covers 1.0.0 through 1.0.3
01:48.19cursorthere will probably be a branch at 1.1.0
01:48.22cursorv1-1
01:49.11AgiNamuso if someone says v1.0.2, we dont know exactly what code they ahve
01:49.27cursorit's a problem, yes
01:49.38cursorthe CVS maintainers should take more care
01:50.02cursoryou can tell what code they have by looking at the version info
01:50.11cursorthat'll give you a date/time and CVS reference
01:50.11AgiNamuwell
01:50.14cursorbut no timezone
01:50.17AgiNamui'll get the latest 1-0
01:50.18cursorso it's useless really
01:50.22AgiNamumaybe that'll fix zaptel
01:50.26AgiNamuoh wait
01:50.28AgiNamui have the latest.
01:50.30AgiNamuso im scewed.
01:50.55cursorThe version info should be use the UTC timezone, rather than the local timezone
01:51.07AgiNamudamn damn damn damn
01:51.11AgiNamu[root@sung root]# modprobe wcfxs
01:51.11AgiNamuZT_CHANCONFIG failed on channel 1: No such device or address (6)
01:51.11AgiNamuFATAL: Error running install command for wcfxs
01:51.37cursorQ: What did the fish say when it swam into a wall?
01:51.39cursorA: Dam
01:52.41glLoadIdentityi have a problem with zaptel too
01:52.51cursorgreat
01:52.58glLoadIdentityi am trying to configure 3 digium cards
01:53.07cursorwhat sort of cards?
01:53.28glLoadIdentityfxs
01:53.29cursorjoker, jack and ace
01:53.34glLoadIdentityand fxo
01:54.15tzangerwhoo
01:54.15tzangergot it working
01:54.15cursorhumour
01:54.15tzangerdms100 is needed, national switchtype doesn't seem to be compatible
01:54.15tzangernational and ni-2 at least between * and MICS
01:54.20glLoadIdentityi configure them, and when i reboot they do not work
01:54.45glLoadIdentityif i halt , and repower the pc , they work fine
01:54.55cursorThe PC needs power
01:55.16_Vilecvs update worked
01:55.17_Vilethx
01:55.27cursornp
01:55.40AgiNamufor linux 2.6 i dont need to do anything with the sources right?
01:55.47AgiNamu(kernel soruces)
01:55.53cursorcompile
01:56.27cursoryou can either read the source or compile it and run
01:56.31cursoror both, of course
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01:57.13cursorLinux andromeda 2.6.9-gentoo-r1 #1 Fri Oct 22 18:48:22 UTC 2004
01:57.32UmaroHey guys, anyone know of a sip client that you can copy/paste the number you dialed from?
01:57.50AgiNamuare the lights on the TDM card supposed to come on when the PC powers on?
01:57.52AgiNamuor after it successfully modprobes
01:58.23glLoadIdentityAgiNamu, after it modprobes
01:59.07ChulJin~thwap JerJer
01:59.09jbotACTION pees on JerJer and does them dry
01:59.46AgiNamudamn
01:59.50AgiNamuit wont modprobe
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02:01.43AgiNamusorry
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02:01.49AgiNamuit modprobes, wont ztcfg
02:01.54AgiNamucause no lights are on :S
02:02.09cursorLet there be light
02:02.09AgiNamuwcfxs is loaded
02:02.13AgiNamuand zaptel is loaded too
02:03.06cursorYou should phone the supplier for tech support - perhaps the card is broken
02:03.16cursoror perhaps they can guide you through the install provess
02:03.21cursorprocess
02:03.40cursorYou probably paid for support already, so you may as well use it
02:03.59Shidowhat tdm card?
02:04.07slePPdoes anyone else hate libiax2?
02:04.31AgiNamuTDM400
02:04.38AgiNamuwith 1 FXO and 1 FXS
02:04.49slePPit doesn't reply to pings, nor does it give me the event so i could respond myself
02:04.51AgiNamudoes it matter where i put the daughtercards
02:05.04slePPcursor: heh. no need to wonder ;> it is broken
02:05.15Shidonot really as long as you know which ports are witch
02:05.18slePPat least, i think it is... i have no idea :> but i've already hd to make 3 changes to even get reliable packet handling
02:05.21cursorIf it was part of Asterisk, it'd be easier to maintain
02:05.32Shidowhere did you plug the modules?
02:05.44cursorin the card
02:05.59cursorthey don't fit in the floppy disk drive
02:06.09cursor:-)
02:08.02cursorI'm installing Gentoo on an old Pentium-S 200Mhz box
02:08.18cursorIt's taken more than 24 hours on the scripts/bootstrap.sh so far
02:08.40cursorthe "emerge system" will probably take the rest of the week :-)
02:08.51Kb1_Kanobevening all - anyone familiar with older tellabs hardware? Specifically 253 echo can shelf?
02:09.14cursornot me
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02:09.28cursorthat was a quick visit
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02:10.47[TK]D-Fenderhave you considered a precompiled distro.... save a LOT of time and effort for so little gain....
02:11.10cursorIt's no effort - I just leave it be and it gets on with it
02:11.13cursorthere's no rush
02:11.26cursorprecompiled distros are for girls
02:11.27cursor:-)
02:11.42mitcheldid bkw find that reload bug? =)
02:11.43moonwickhttp://www.funroll-loops.org/
02:11.48cursorseen it
02:11.49[TK]D-FenderNo, they're for people whose time is worth more ;P
02:12.09cursorit doesn't take long to type "emerge system" and walk away
02:12.16cursorPerhaps I type quicker than most
02:12.38[TK]D-Fender<- proponent of instant gratification :)
02:12.43cursor:-)
02:14.52bkw_damn
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02:15.05bkw_mitchel no not yet
02:15.12slePPbkw_, do you have a working version of libiax2? :>
02:15.20bkw_no
02:15.35mitchelheh =/
02:16.41bkw_moonwick keep your funroll-loops out of here
02:16.49bkw_but not like those ninnys
02:17.21[TK]D-FenderI plan on switching to Gentoo one of these days myself, but am a happy Slacker in the interim.
02:17.56brc__hahahah
02:17.57brc__debian is awesome for servers
02:18.13nestAr<-- debian user
02:18.56ChulJinoh! telecommute. nice.
02:19.05bkw_nestAr I wouldn't go around telling people that
02:19.22moonwickbkw_: it's okay, I'm not all that much better.
02:19.29cursorfunroll-loops.org is boring is was written by someone who clearly has no clue
02:19.44bkw_moonwick then you understand why I like gentoo
02:19.54bkw_I had to use linux for asterisk but I LOVE freebsd
02:20.02glLoadIdentitybkw_, !
02:20.02cursorack
02:20.03nestAri ain't skurred none
02:20.05nestAr:P
02:20.06bkw_I even love openbsd
02:20.18[TK]D-Fenderomg, H8!
02:20.20bkw_glLoadIdentity yes dear?
02:20.26[TK]D-Fenderbbiab
02:20.31bkw_cursor why?
02:20.35nestAri used BSD for a long time..
02:20.39nestArfree, iirc
02:20.41nestArit was ok
02:20.43cursorso did I
02:20.51cursor4.2 and 4.3BSD
02:21.09glLoadIdentitybkw_, can you please help me to configure out this 3 digium cards ?
02:21.09cursorand it didn't compare to System V, even back then
02:21.11nestAri never touched the machine.. it ran for almost 2 years with minimal human interaction
02:21.15mitchelasterisk should have been built for windows
02:21.25cursorlol@mitchel
02:21.26mitchelmaybe for nt 4 too
02:21.29mitchelthat would be very solid
02:21.31mitcheleasier to admin
02:21.33cursorsecure too
02:21.36JonR800lol
02:21.38mitchellots more people would use it
02:21.45cursoralthough you'd have to reboot after every call
02:21.49JonR800nt4 .. eek
02:21.51nestArlol
02:21.54mitchelyou would have to sell it though
02:21.54cursoror after every cfg file change
02:22.05mitchelbecause people that use windows don't trust anything that is free
02:22.11postelyeah, and extensions and config files should be .NET dlls
02:22.13mitchelbut if you sell it, it'd become better too
02:22.19mitchelno they'd be xml files
02:22.22mitcheland .net dlls would manage them
02:22.23cursorthen sell it
02:22.27postelhahaha
02:22.28bkw_mitchel get out
02:22.28bkw_NOW
02:22.29cursorI'll happily sell Asterisk :-)
02:22.30bkw_OUT OUT OUT
02:22.34JonR800blasphemy
02:22.35bkw_xml files
02:22.38cursorWho wants to buy Asterisk from me?
02:22.41cursor$1 each
02:22.42bkw_XML the reverse of gzip
02:22.53mitchellets see...what else could be improved
02:23.04mitchelwell the CLI would just have to go
02:23.04JonR800I think asterisk will be greater as a free product than if it were pay
02:23.15mitchelnobody wants to deal with console windows when they have a nice operating system like windows
02:23.25bkw_point and click baby
02:23.32JonR800lol
02:23.36bkw_cursor I hear ya man
02:23.40cursorpaid or not
02:23.42mitchelcursor: are you using it, or is it using you?
02:23.44AgiNamuheh, $1000 each
02:23.47AgiNamuI'll sell asterisk
02:23.49bkw_I wouldn't know C right now if it were not for asterisk
02:23.52posteland mysql backends are sooooo slow.. Access would do so much better. or even flat files
02:24.05AlricAccess :/
02:24.05bkw_ok everyone SHUT UP
02:24.07JonR800Access???
02:24.07cursorit uses me for its own nafarious ends
02:24.08bkw_good lord
02:24.08mitchellets see, hmm..guis, could run as a system service so if it crashed we wouldn't have to depend on that buggy safe_asterisk file
02:24.10bkw_all idiots
02:24.13AgiNamuactually
02:24.20AgiNamuWith ast_mono, you can use .NET dlls in asterisk :P
02:24.24AgiNamuto do pretty much anything.
02:24.29cursorperhaps Asterisk should be completely re-written in Visual Basic
02:24.32mitchelscrew ast_mono
02:24.33bkw_thats about as useless as app_metaboo
02:24.38mitchelon windows you can just exectue the exe directly
02:24.40ChulJinpostel: no, MSDE
02:24.43mitchelno need for "interpreters"
02:24.44cursorVisual Basic, as opposed to Audio Basic, I presume
02:24.47mikegrbbkw_: app_metaboo is far more useful
02:24.48AgiNamuyea, fine, if you enjoy having to manage memory manually
02:24.49AgiNamuand so on
02:24.54mitcheloh good point, we could use visual basic to manage the config files directly
02:24.57mitchelon the same machine
02:24.58postelChulJin: hahaha
02:24.59bkw_mikegrb hah maybe so
02:25.03mitchelno need to set up ssh connections in our code
02:25.09JonR800rofl
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02:25.18mitchelvisual basic + asterisk
02:25.19brc__hahah
02:25.21brc__HAH A
02:25.21mitchelthat would be a winner!
02:25.23bkw_TI99/4A here
02:25.29cursorI'm surprised Basic is still alive
02:25.40bkw_cursor gotta start the first graders somewhere
02:25.44cursorOnly Microsoft would cling to such an ancient language
02:25.49cursortrue
02:25.50bkw_I think they should start teaching this shit at very early ages
02:26.00cursorthey do
02:26.03JonR800they should toss kids into OOP right off the bat
02:26.03bkw_not around here
02:26.04mitchelonly nerd would cling to such an ancient system called a "console"
02:26.05cursorit's called potty training
02:26.08mitchel*nerds
02:26.14bkw_haha
02:26.15bkw_ninny
02:26.19bkw_no programming
02:26.20cursorgeeks are nerds with social skills
02:26.22nestAri perfer geek
02:26.27bkw_we didn't have ANY programming classes
02:26.29nestArprefer**
02:26.30nestAr:x
02:26.35mitchelmy fault ***geeks
02:26.41AgiNamubkw_ then you havent dealt with a lot of programmers these days
02:26.43mikegrbbkw_: my month old son will learn logo as soon as he can talk
02:26.48cursorBeware of geeks baring gifts
02:26.53AgiNamubkw_ a lot of those Millions of VB devs are buckfuttingly clueless.
02:26.55mitcheli guess the consoles are fun, otherwise nobody would waste their time coming up with ascii porn
02:26.57mikegrbbkw_: then basic soon after, then perl/c/whatever he wants
02:27.06AgiNamuMS has to cater to them , since they pay lots of money and make a ton of apps
02:27.08mitchelaginamu: so is anyone using C
02:27.12bkw_AgiNamu I don't count VB people as programmers
02:27.16AgiNamuahh
02:27.24AgiNamumitchel, what's wrong with C ?
02:27.29cursorC, C++ and Perl
02:27.34mitchelbkw: can they make a button pop up and say "Hello, World" faster then you can?
02:27.35bkw_C, perl and PHP
02:27.36mitcheli think so!
02:27.50bkw_mitchel ya but thats totally fucking useless
02:27.59bkw_I haven't touched php in some time now
02:28.01bkw_perl and C
02:28.08JonR800lol
02:28.10bkw_perl causes bad habits in C
02:28.13brc__~ast_mono
02:28.18AlricPHP is worse in that respect.
02:28.19bkw_and C causes bad habits in Perl
02:28.19AgiNamubkw : no, it's not useless. tons of companies have half-time wanna be coders writing little apps for theri busdinesses
02:28.21AgiNamumacros and apps
02:28.27cursor(bkw) You think?
02:28.32JonR800mitchel is the man.
02:28.32brc__who's writing ast_mono anyway?
02:28.34AgiNamui am.
02:28.46bkw_I find my self in perl trying to do "int i = 0"
02:28.50brc__so how's it going?
02:28.52brc__does it work yet?
02:28.56bkw_and in C doing $i = 0;
02:28.59AgiNamuwell, I did some proof of concept programs
02:29.01JonR800though i do agree that Asterisk could use a decent windows based Admin app.. but eh.
02:29.01mitchelwell anyways when you weigh out the pros of windows + asterisk, you can see windows clearly wins, and with that i say i win, EOF
02:29.05bkw_but thats just be and my fuckedupness
02:29.06AgiNamunothing im releasing yet cause its not anything i can show really
02:29.11brc__~ast_mono is ask AgiNamu
02:29.12jbotokay, brc__
02:29.12AgiNamubut i called up an extension
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