00:00.04 | Moc_ | bkw_, exactly, people keep trying to push on one, it never worked perfectly, and it will never will.. anyway gota filter those people out |
00:00.19 | Derkommissar | what is b/w ? |
00:00.20 | bonbon-home | who writes sip.conf.sample? It talks about you being able to relate register directives to sip entities, but it's not possible |
00:01.08 | FuzzyCat | bandwidth Derkommissar |
00:01.21 | therealadept | how much are these bounties? |
00:01.31 | FuzzyCat | used 50% of my allowance in 9 days |
00:02.07 | jmhunter | what do u mean bon bon? |
00:02.16 | therealadept | I'm sorta busy but if I can earn some VOIP hardware doing it then maybe its worth it |
00:02.38 | Derkommissar | FuzzyCat, for what a server ? |
00:02.46 | Derkommissar | FuzzyCat, i have a whole ds3 |
00:02.58 | Derkommissar | what do you need? |
00:03.02 | *** join/#asterisk acosgrov (anthony@adsl-065-005-181-237.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
00:03.33 | bkw_ | FuzzyCat I can hook jew up with a place for some of the larger things |
00:04.14 | Derkommissar | FuzzyCat, Move to USA. |
00:04.24 | Derkommissar | this is a money making country. |
00:04.35 | Derkommissar | with a lot of unused bandwith all over the place |
00:04.38 | a999 | hhmmmmmmmm |
00:06.48 | FuzzyCat | it's not the size of stuff (iso's are hosted elsewhere) it's the number of hits... |
00:08.07 | unabonger | anybody know any good auto-dialer config examples (for announcements about school closures and stuff) for asterisk? |
00:08.40 | ManxPower | Someone sent me a donation! |
00:08.55 | unabonger | what's your donation URL? |
00:08.59 | Moc_ | lol |
00:09.10 | Moc_ | having a bad day ManxPower |
00:09.21 | ManxPower | http://www.fnords.org/~eric/asterisk/ look at the top of the page. |
00:10.05 | ManxPower | Moc: Not even CLOSE to how bad the next 4 days will be |
00:10.36 | dgon | thanks for res_perl discussion folks |
00:10.37 | Moc_ | your girl gonna have a baby ? |
00:10.54 | Moc_ | ha yes, that more than 4 day ;) |
00:11.32 | ManxPower | Quitting smoking |
00:11.36 | Moc_ | ok McLeine... Beer... Smirnoff |
00:11.40 | bkw_ | brb |
00:12.44 | MustDie | Manx: stop killing yourself, smoke as ussual |
00:13.13 | a999 | uh ManxPower I was curious and had a look .... in fear of seeming blind I've checked the page top tp bottom 6 times and there is no donation link to be found. yeah , had to check it again and no link |
00:13.48 | a999 | wow cool its invisible |
00:14.02 | a999 | all white on a awhite back ground |
00:14.16 | a999 | good trick though |
00:14.57 | a999 | no shitten yeah |
00:15.03 | a999 | must be a browser version thing |
00:15.38 | a999 | mozilla 1.5 |
00:15.52 | pfn | heh |
00:15.57 | *** part/#asterisk dercol (~ercolani@sei.yacme.com) |
00:15.59 | pfn | has manxpower gotten any donations? |
00:16.18 | a999 | so rarely it causes him to faint |
00:16.35 | a999 | rather I hope it was a biggy that made him pass out |
00:17.42 | a999 | yeah it shows in microsoft explorer |
00:17.52 | a999 | not mozilla 1.5 |
00:21.06 | TestMasTer | Question for the ASterisk h323 all i need is openh323 and pwlib right |
00:22.32 | ManxPower | pfn: Usually about $30/month. |
00:22.43 | pfn | manxpower wow, that's pretty good |
00:22.55 | ManxPower | pfn: It's terrible. |
00:22.57 | pfn | I guess that's all IRC tech support is work |
00:22.58 | pfn | worth |
00:22.59 | pfn | heh |
00:23.01 | pfn | better than nothing |
00:23.07 | pfn | I've been on irc for years and I ain't got shit to show for it |
00:23.08 | pfn | :p |
00:23.08 | ManxPower | pfn: *nod* |
00:24.32 | *** join/#asterisk spphreak (spphreak@dhcp024-210-056-196.columbus.rr.com) |
00:24.35 | spphreak | hello all! |
00:24.37 | machinehd | so are you doing all this irc tech support while at work? |
00:24.44 | pfn | more or less |
00:24.44 | pfn | heh |
00:25.03 | spphreak | @ work myself ;) |
00:25.13 | *** join/#asterisk cuban (~cuban@border0-hou.cuban.cc) |
00:25.27 | cuban | Hmm. |
00:25.53 | ManxPower | pfn: It would but 15mins of my time at my current consulting rate |
00:26.04 | machinehd | same ;) wasting time on irc... heh. Actually I just leave this program open 24x7 and pop in occasionally to see what's happening or to ask a stupid question |
00:26.09 | pfn | manxpower of course |
00:26.11 | cuban | SBC was supposed to turn on Caller ID on my line. They said it'd be working by now but my incoming calls still say "asterisk". I wonder if they just haven't turned it on yet or if my config sucks.. |
00:26.18 | pfn | manxpower but it's practically money for nothing, since you'd be on irc anyway |
00:26.19 | pfn | :p |
00:27.46 | pfn | asterisk? |
00:27.46 | pfn | wtf? |
00:27.51 | spphreak | is it possible to setup asterisk to work with vonage? |
00:27.58 | pfn | spphreak not economically |
00:28.10 | pfn | it'd cost you $25/mo minimum to setup with vonage |
00:28.15 | pfn | and that's only 1000 minutes total |
00:28.59 | pfn | i'd cost you at least $35/mo to get on an unlimited plan and in that case, you'd only have 500 minutes direct access through asterisk |
00:29.08 | pfn | the unlimited minutes go through the ATA |
00:29.09 | pfn | bleh |
00:30.14 | spphreak | I currently am running vonage, want to play with asterisk. Was wondering if I could set it up some way to dial out and such. |
00:30.23 | pfn | you'd need to use an fxo port |
00:30.28 | pfn | it sucks |
00:30.36 | spphreak | why? |
00:30.47 | pfn | because, it's so limited compared to anything else out there |
00:31.01 | spphreak | what else is there available? |
00:31.12 | pfn | a lot |
00:31.13 | spphreak | for roughly the same amount |
00:31.28 | pfn | try shopping around |
00:31.33 | pfn | you'll see there's a lot |
00:31.51 | spphreak | what do I look for though, I thought vonage would've been a good thing for this. |
00:32.34 | pfn | you can take a look at broadvoice, voicepulse connect or nufone |
00:33.03 | pfn | if you're reading about asterisk, there's the wiki at voip-info |
00:33.17 | |Vulture| | so far, so good with broadvoice |
00:33.27 | |Vulture| | kinda dissapointed about the CID though |
00:33.36 | pfn | what's to be disappointed about |
00:33.39 | pfn | that's a known fact.... |
00:33.40 | pfn | :p |
00:33.43 | CoaxD | spphreak: You can't hook up to vonage's service directly from asterisk |
00:33.55 | CoaxD | spphreak: Basically, you get an ATA and hook a phone to it. And it connects directly to their service. |
00:33.58 | |Vulture| | pfn: wasn't to me but Im not heart broken |
00:34.00 | pfn | what's disappointing about broadvoice is the lack of support for codecs other than g711 |
00:34.12 | pfn | I only use broadvoice for DID |
00:34.13 | CoaxD | spphreak: If you like that sort of thing, great. If you don't, go for it |
00:34.27 | twisted | smoking crack |
00:34.28 | twisted | ? |
00:34.29 | CoaxD | pfn: You know, its quite frightening |
00:34.36 | pfn | ? |
00:34.39 | CoaxD | pfn: You'd think they'd be a hell of a lot more willing to offer gsm or ilbc or somesuch |
00:34.47 | twisted | anywho |
00:34.50 | CoaxD | pfn: (On account of the fact that bandwidth costs are as high as they are.) |
00:34.52 | twisted | i'm off to see the wizard. |
00:34.55 | CoaxD | twisted: Hello, lamer. |
00:34.57 | file | I'd settle for IAX. |
00:34.59 | CoaxD | twisted: Goodbye, lamer. |
00:34.59 | pfn | they likely use off-the-shelf hardware (cisco, etc.) |
00:35.05 | CoaxD | pfn: Oh, of course |
00:35.10 | pfn | so they probably support g729 and g723, g726 |
00:35.13 | pfn | they just don't know how to turn the shit on |
00:35.16 | file | they need an asterisk box |
00:35.28 | CoaxD | file: Do you have any idea how stupid it would be for them to run with asterisk? |
00:35.38 | CoaxD | file: The cisco hardware is cheaper. this i guarantee. |
00:35.41 | file | CoaxD: no I meant not mainly |
00:35.42 | file | yeekz |
00:35.48 | file | like Voicepulse Connect |
00:35.52 | CoaxD | file: yeah, for sure |
00:35.53 | spphreak | Well, I'm a noob when it comes to asterisk, so I guess I could start with the FXO right? |
00:35.56 | CoaxD | file: THAT would be useful. |
00:36.00 | spphreak | what would you recommend? |
00:36.07 | CoaxD | spphreak: If you have a POTS line to connect |
00:36.09 | pfn | I just gave you 3 options |
00:36.11 | CoaxD | spphreak: Then yes |
00:36.18 | pfn | broadvoice, nufone or voicepulse connect |
00:36.41 | CoaxD | file: heh |
00:36.55 | spphreak | CoaxD, what's POTS |
00:37.05 | Himeko | plain old telephone system |
00:37.06 | paulc | Plain Ordinary Telephone Service/System |
00:37.08 | spphreak | lol |
00:37.09 | spphreak | oh |
00:37.11 | spphreak | no POTS |
00:37.18 | spphreak | Vonage is it |
00:37.30 | pfn | it's very silly to run vonage with asterisk |
00:37.32 | CoaxD | spphreak: Get rid of vonage dude. |
00:38.05 | CoaxD | spphreak: Hooking an ATA to an X100P with asterisk is about the dumbest way to go about it |
00:38.31 | spphreak | so you suggest I open a broad voice account. |
00:38.33 | CoaxD | you lose the whole point of why one would go with asterisk in the first place |
00:38.38 | CoaxD | spphreak: Yes. Or somesuch. |
00:38.53 | cuban | Hm, where the hell is the caller id stuff in the wiki? |
00:38.56 | spphreak | do they send me a modem, or can I use my vonage one? |
00:38.57 | CoaxD | spphreak: $19.99/mo unlimited == broadvoice |
00:39.05 | CoaxD | spphreak: Dude. you dont need one. you use asterisk. |
00:39.10 | pfn | you don't use a modem with asterisk |
00:39.13 | pfn | asterisk is the modem |
00:39.14 | cuban | I'm not even sure my callerID is working from bell. Does the name/number show up in the CLI when you see a call come in? |
00:39.15 | CoaxD | spphreak: And they're not sending you a "modem' |
00:39.21 | spphreak | I just config asterisk to point to it. |
00:39.26 | CoaxD | spphreak: They're sending you an analog telephone adapter |
00:39.27 | spphreak | and use my login info |
00:39.33 | CoaxD | spphreak: Correct. :) |
00:40.00 | CoaxD | spphreak: You have to tell them when you sign up that you'd like their plan - with BYOD. They offer a JUST BYOD plan, which is $5.95/mo. But *ALL* their plans can be used with BYOD |
00:40.09 | CoaxD | spphreak: "Bring your own device" |
00:40.59 | |Vulture| | pfn: do you know if Broadvoice plans on allowing CID passthrough? |
00:41.25 | pfn | outbound? you cann't set outbound CID |
00:41.38 | CoaxD | pfn: You cant spoof callerid? |
00:41.44 | CoaxD | pfn: With broadvoice? |
00:41.54 | spphreak | how many ports does asterisk use then? |
00:42.04 | CoaxD | apphreak: What kind of ports? |
00:42.07 | pfn | they tie down the outbound CID to the number on your account |
00:42.12 | jmhunter | why does h323 suck? |
00:42.19 | CoaxD | pfn: Oh. well, thats a major minus |
00:42.23 | pfn | jmhunter because it's not nat aware, it's not extensible, etc. |
00:42.27 | CoaxD | pfn: I'd never give that number away |
00:42.30 | pfn | I have broadvoice purely for the DID |
00:42.39 | pfn | I don't make outbound calls with it, really |
00:42.41 | cuban | Can someone point me to CallerID config info on the wiki? I can't seem to find anything... |
00:42.47 | CoaxD | pfn: I'd want to set it to something like the callforward number of my biz |
00:42.48 | jmhunter | <~has broadvoice for the same reason as pfn |
00:43.01 | CoaxD | so what, you pay $5.95/mo for a DID? |
00:43.05 | |Vulture| | what do you guys use for outbound? |
00:43.11 | pfn | I use nufone |
00:43.12 | CoaxD | Vulture: I use NuFone. |
00:43.16 | CoaxD | vulture: Good shit. |
00:43.19 | pfn | the primary use of nufone is for international dialing |
00:43.24 | jmhunter | nufone/gfachi/iaxtel/fwd |
00:43.25 | pfn | I don't make domestic calls |
00:43.29 | spphreak | CoaxD: I mean, if it's behind a firewall, I would need to forward ports right? |
00:43.32 | pfn | iaxtel and fwd don't count |
00:43.37 | CoaxD | spphreak: No. |
00:43.39 | jmhunter | ahh |
00:43.42 | pfn | spphreak read the wiki |
00:43.52 | CoaxD | spphreak: Read about NAT on the voip-info.org page |
00:43.52 | pfn | www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk |
00:43.54 | pfn | that easy |
00:43.57 | spphreak | ok |
00:43.58 | spphreak | cool |
00:44.01 | pfn | read first, ask later |
00:44.15 | cuban | Hm. So usecallerid=yes is all I need I guess. |
00:44.26 | spphreak | I want to build while I read, but wanted to see if I could use my vonage, but if this is better, so be it. |
00:44.29 | cuban | I guess bell still hasn't got this thing working. |
00:44.41 | jmhunter | speaking of, pfn can u call me and tell me if there is echo? |
00:44.45 | spphreak | so 6 bucks gets me a phone provider for asterisk? |
00:45.06 | jmhunter | 8663232795 |
00:45.20 | jmhunter | spphreak, where r u what area code.. what city state |
00:45.21 | *** join/#asterisk cursor (~kevin@andromeda.office.cursor.biz) |
00:45.49 | cursor | Hello all |
00:46.38 | *** join/#asterisk gabb_00 (~gabb3444@64.171.29.106) |
00:47.03 | |Vulture| | anyone know of any in-depth explanations on SIPMAC.cnf files for 7960s? |
00:47.17 | spphreak | jmhunter, 614 |
00:47.20 | spphreak | ohio |
00:47.22 | jmhunter | hmm vulture.. can u call me and tell me if there is echo |
00:47.29 | |Vulture| | sure, want me to dial? |
00:47.30 | jmhunter | 1-866-323-2795 |
00:47.34 | cursor | I have a PDF from Cisco that explains the config in some detail |
00:47.55 | cursor | I probably got it from their website |
00:47.57 | |Vulture| | dialing |
00:48.07 | |Vulture| | o 1s cant use fwd I guess |
00:48.33 | spphreak | that's awesome man |
00:48.44 | spphreak | dude, where'd you get the 866 #? |
00:48.49 | jmhunter | nufone |
00:48.55 | |Vulture| | jmhunter: pickup from answering machine, kinda garbled though |
00:49.09 | cuban | God dammit, Asterisk incoming DTMF detection is seriously suckin'. It only gets about 50% of all tones |
00:49.13 | jmhunter | theres no answering machine? |
00:49.43 | |Vulture| | I got a "Thank you for calling....please leave a msg" |
00:49.49 | jmhunter | i need to toy with zap |
00:50.01 | cursor | DTMF detection works for me |
00:50.01 | jmhunter | when did u get that? |
00:50.02 | gabb_00 | hello, I need help with this x100p fxo card, I can't make it to work with fxsgs signaling (groundstart), can somebody help please |
00:50.14 | |Vulture| | jmhunter: when I just called the 866 # you posted |
00:50.19 | spphreak | jmhunter, what is DID ? |
00:50.33 | jmhunter | direct in dial.. a phone number |
00:50.37 | jmhunter | hmm |
00:50.38 | spphreak | ah |
00:50.52 | cursor | I use fxsks |
00:50.59 | spphreak | PSTN or VOIP conference? |
00:51.02 | CoaxD | cursor: If you have kewlstart, that'll do |
00:51.03 | spphreak | how man ppl can you get? |
00:51.18 | CoaxD | spphreak: As many as your box can handle. |
00:51.35 | cursor | do you have the appropriate zaptel drivers up? |
00:51.36 | spphreak | what's ur connection? |
00:51.44 | FireRabbit | can I transfer a call to another extension from the console? |
00:51.47 | CoaxD | spphreak: To do it in any real fashion, however, you need to have a timing source installed |
00:51.57 | CoaxD | spphreak: You can use the uhci usb timer, but it isnt quite right |
00:52.04 | CoaxD | spphreak: an x100p can provide a good timing source for meetme |
00:52.18 | eadz | can a x100p be used as an FXS card? |
00:52.23 | CoaxD | eadz: no. |
00:52.23 | cursor | no |
00:52.32 | cursor | X100P is FXO |
00:52.33 | CoaxD | eadz: The other port on that thing is lifeline only. it doesnt really work. |
00:52.54 | cursor | it only works when the power fails |
00:53.03 | CoaxD | cursor: Works even if the power hasnt failed. |
00:53.05 | cursor | it joins the tel to the line |
00:53.13 | cursor | I've never tried it |
00:53.15 | bkw_ | blah |
00:53.19 | pfn | bleh |
00:53.20 | pfn | :p |
00:53.21 | CoaxD | cursor: Its directly wired into the line |
00:53.21 | |Vulture| | is there a way to set the ringtone in the .cnf on a 7960? |
00:53.23 | cursor | I assumed it'd only work on powerfail |
00:53.30 | bkw_ | |Vulture| no |
00:53.36 | CoaxD | cursor: nahh, its just a lame wiring trick |
00:53.49 | cursor | right |
00:53.50 | CoaxD | cursor: Works even if power has not failed. It is directly wired to the inputs |
00:53.52 | |Vulture| | bkw_: any way to make it so users cant change it? other than removing all the other ringtones? |
00:54.01 | spphreak | can I run vonage and nufone at the same time? like, play with nufone for a while |
00:54.07 | cursor | change the ringtone using the menus |
00:54.08 | pfn | spphreak sure |
00:54.16 | CoaxD | spphreak: Yo ucannot configure vonage in your asterisk |
00:54.20 | bkw_ | |Vulture| nope |
00:54.20 | pfn | damnit, I don't have any dollar bills |
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00:54.21 | spphreak | same for broad thing... |
00:54.30 | CoaxD | spphreak: So, its equiv to buying both services concurrently |
00:54.32 | pfn | spphreak to use vonage would require additional hardware |
00:54.33 | spphreak | CoaxD, right, vonage would be seperate |
00:54.35 | cursor | I have a phone bill if that'll work |
00:54.50 | |Vulture| | then I shall have to remove all the other ringstones... I just know my employees with change it they mess with anything |
00:54.51 | pfn | man, where does my money go everymonth |
00:54.53 | pfn | so many bills.... |
00:54.59 | CoaxD | pfn: Mine too |
00:55.14 | pfn | I need to save up to get married next year and shit |
00:55.27 | cursor | You should shit more often |
00:55.47 | cursor | It's not good to hold it for a year |
00:55.57 | gabb_00 | has anybody used groundstart signaling on fxo lines ? |
00:56.10 | cursor | not me |
00:56.12 | CoaxD | gabb: Do you have any idea what those things are? |
00:56.12 | cursor | I use ks |
00:56.19 | CoaxD | gabb: You dont use what you dont have |
00:56.36 | jmhunter | try again vulture |
00:56.36 | gabb_00 | CoaxD: it is how the lines from the phone company are configured |
00:56.37 | CoaxD | gabb: Do you want a quick way to test what you *DO* have? |
00:56.41 | jmhunter | 8663232795 |
00:56.45 | gabb_00 | they don't have a dialtone |
00:57.03 | cursor | dial tones are overrated :-) |
00:57.10 | jmhunter | spphreak.. by the way there is no monthly charges on toll free incoming on nufone... only 2 cent a minute |
00:57.18 | pfn | no monthly? |
00:57.23 | pfn | there's a monthly for the DID isn't there? |
00:57.23 | jmhunter | no |
00:57.25 | pfn | $7.50/mo? |
00:57.26 | pfn | no? |
00:57.27 | gabb_00 | CoaxD: you can get a dialtone only if you "ground" either wire for a sec. |
00:57.29 | jmhunter | only for MI local |
00:57.32 | pfn | interesting |
00:57.33 | jmhunter | not for toll free |
00:57.43 | pfn | I think I'll have to get a toll free # then |
00:57.51 | cursor | I've ordered an 877 number from NuFone |
00:57.54 | cursor | and I'm in England |
00:57.59 | CoaxD | gabb: If you'd like to know how to test for kewlstart, let me know. |
00:58.27 | Connor_ | when do you use kewlstart and groundstart and stuff... what are normal everyday phone lines? |
00:58.30 | pfn | Available Funds: $127.902 |
00:58.30 | pfn | :( |
00:58.36 | pfn | nope, nufone funds are dwindling fast |
00:58.51 | gryn | yo CoaxD, thanks for the help yesterday things are looking great overhere. |
00:58.56 | bkw_ | I DONT USE THAT MUCH IN A FUCKING YEAR |
00:59.03 | bkw_ | I use 3-4 bucks /mth |
00:59.32 | cursor | I hardly ever make toll phone calls |
00:59.39 | cursor | Most of my calls are incoming |
00:59.40 | gabb_00 | CoaxD: on regular lines it is working fine, these lines they don't have dialtone ... I changed the signaling in zaptel.conf but it doesn't work, it gives me an error (ztcfg) |
00:59.45 | pfn | Vietnam - Mobile/Special Services 3420 $23.8659 |
00:59.47 | pfn | bleh |
00:59.51 | cursor | or outgoing to other switchboards with VoIP |
01:00.06 | pfn | bkw I burn through that much in under a month.... |
01:00.09 | spphreak | I'm sold on BYOD for boadvoice, woot :) |
01:00.09 | pfn | :( |
01:00.11 | spphreak | thanks guys :) |
01:00.21 | spphreak | now all I need is....IP Phones heh |
01:00.22 | gabb_00 | Connor-: I took these lines from a altigen pbx |
01:00.22 | pfn | you're gonna start cursing us soon :p |
01:00.33 | spphreak | lol |
01:00.37 | spphreak | Nah, exited to learn about this stuff |
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01:00.45 | spphreak | excited even :) |
01:00.50 | |Vulture| | spphreak: thats what I use |
01:00.59 | Connor_ | I'm just wondering why their is different kinds, and what advanage/disavange one has over the other.. |
01:01.11 | salimfadhley | Newbie support required: I've just got my Asterisk compiled and running - the demo is set up. |
01:01.14 | spphreak | do you guys recommend any certain ip phone? (cheap is good ;) ) |
01:01.19 | salimfadhley | I could dial 1000 okay and it worked |
01:01.32 | spphreak | I want hardphones |
01:01.33 | |Vulture| | spphreak: soft phones are really cheap |
01:01.35 | salimfadhley | But now I want to set up an extention for my first handset, and I do not really understand the syntax |
01:01.40 | |Blaze| | spphreak: sipura boxes are cheap, and you can plug an existing phone into it |
01:01.47 | cursor | If you want cheap then get a two-port Sipura SPA-2000 and plug any old analogue phone into that |
01:01.53 | |Vulture| | yea |
01:02.00 | salimfadhley | I got given a Grandstream Bugetone 100 - looks liek a business phone and works okay |
01:02.03 | |Vulture| | but if you want sexy..... 7960 :) |
01:02.04 | gabb_00 | Connor-: don't know, I hear the payphones are also using groundstart signaling ... |
01:02.16 | mtp | the budgetone firmware can have issues.... |
01:02.19 | pfn | salim, you're the first to say that |
01:02.26 | pfn | everyone here says BT-100's are garbage |
01:02.30 | salimfadhley | I've not tried out any others. |
01:02.39 | salimfadhley | good for what I paid for it (?0) |
01:02.40 | salimfadhley | :-) |
01:02.47 | pfn | I want a 7960, but I've got no use for a corded phone at home |
01:02.49 | bkw_ | those are nice |
01:03.02 | pfn | cordless all the way.... |
01:03.04 | salimfadhley | Anyway my Bugetone is for learning... which is why I am here. |
01:03.09 | salimfadhley | Are you using a Zyxel cordless? |
01:03.14 | pfn | no |
01:03.16 | CoaxD | gryn: You're welcome :) |
01:03.17 | mtp | they're not GARBAGE |
01:03.17 | pfn | analog cordless |
01:03.17 | cursor | I have a couple of cordless phones plugged into a Sipura |
01:03.18 | bkw_ | those sucks |
01:03.20 | mtp | but they're not great either |
01:03.29 | CoaxD | gryn: That was some whacky shit man |
01:03.30 | mtp | i mean, i'd rather have a softphone. |
01:03.34 | salimfadhley | I want a 802.11b/g SIP handset |
01:03.35 | pfn | I run my cordless phones into my tdm20b |
01:03.44 | cursor | I don't really want a WiFi transmitter next to my head |
01:03.46 | salimfadhley | I have boosted 802.11g in my home |
01:03.50 | mtp | z-pro |
01:03.52 | pfn | I always hear bad things about siemens cordless phons |
01:03.52 | CoaxD | gryn: Never stopped to think that your asterisk might've not been compiled with chan_zap.so support |
01:03.56 | mtp | xpro |
01:03.58 | pfn | although, the ones they don't sell in the US are so hot |
01:04.00 | |Blaze| | cursor: WiFi is lower power then cell |
01:04.01 | pfn | I'd love one |
01:04.10 | CoaxD | gryn: (In fact, up til then, i didnt know asterisk could BE compiled without zaptel support.) |
01:04.20 | salimfadhley | Yes, a cellphone can go up to 1W of power in the UK (think of frying) |
01:04.21 | cursor | power is not the issue |
01:04.21 | denon | pfn: I dunno, most of the people that say bad things about em, have really shitty WAPs close by |
01:04.24 | cursor | it's the pulsing |
01:04.33 | denon | pfn: Ive run mine with Cisco APs right next to em, and its fine |
01:04.39 | pfn | depends on the channel |
01:04.49 | pfn | my phone knocks my WAP offline if it's on certain channels |
01:04.52 | denon | of course |
01:04.53 | spphreak | how much was the grandstream bugetone? |
01:04.54 | pfn | (panasonic) |
01:05.03 | CoaxD | spphreak: they're $65 from fwd |
01:05.06 | salimfadhley | Nothing |
01:05.16 | gryn | CoaxD: heh yep. |
01:05.22 | spphreak | fwd? |
01:05.23 | salimfadhley | I got this grandstream free with some crappy voip serivice for a friend. |
01:05.24 | CoaxD | spphreak: I'd suggest however - to buy a sipura 2000 for $95 |
01:05.29 | gryn | CoaxD: but it's my fault for not noticing the compile error :P |
01:05.30 | salimfadhley | He never used it, so I got it back |
01:05.30 | CoaxD | spphreak: http://fwd.pulver.com |
01:05.40 | CoaxD | spphreak: Free World Dialup |
01:05.54 | CoaxD | spphreak: But again, i'd suggest buying a Sipura 2000 |
01:05.58 | salimfadhley | Can somebody give me an exmple of how to set up an extention line in extentions.conf |
01:06.02 | cursor | yes - Sipura |
01:06.02 | spphreak | ok |
01:06.04 | CoaxD | spphreak: Its an ATA, which means you can plug in whichever phone you want |
01:06.15 | CoaxD | spphreak: I consider it $30 extra dollars well spent |
01:06.16 | salimfadhley | If my channel is called salimfadhley1 , and I want to make extntion 6001 go to it? |
01:06.21 | spphreak | whichever, you meen analog? |
01:06.27 | cursor | salim: there are examples on the WiKi |
01:06.36 | salimfadhley | Well I am looking at it now |
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01:06.40 | salimfadhley | I just dont get it... |
01:06.42 | salimfadhley | :-( |
01:06.48 | CoaxD | spphreak: Yes. with a sipura 2000, you get 2 fxs (telephone handset) jacks - and you can configure them separately |
01:06.59 | heison | brain fart... how do you reset the 7960's again? |
01:07.04 | cursor | Set up the extensions in sip.conf |
01:07.06 | CoaxD | spphreak: And you can plug in a cordless or something that is actually useful, as opposed to having 1 phone that all you can do is use |
01:07.08 | denon | heison: telnet in or pull the plug |
01:07.14 | cursor | and then use Dial() in extensions.conf to call them |
01:07.26 | pfn | http://www.siemens-mobile.com/cds/frontdoor/0,2241,hq_en_0_23744_rArNrNrNrN,00.html |
01:07.27 | heison | denon: no, no... from the keypad... |
01:07.30 | pfn | such beautiful cordless phones |
01:07.32 | gryn | heison: *6menu |
01:07.40 | cursor | (heison) * 6 settings |
01:07.48 | CoaxD | gryn: BTW, dude, we all make mistakes that way |
01:07.52 | heison | got it thanks :) |
01:07.57 | CoaxD | gryn: Espeically if we dont necessarily know what we're doing to start iwth |
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01:08.07 | CoaxD | gryn: (been there, done that.) |
01:08.23 | gryn | heh yeah. thanks |
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01:08.54 | CoaxD | gryn: Hell, i still dont know what the hell i'm doing with asterisk |
01:09.05 | |Blaze| | Anyone deal with the sayson stuff at all? |
01:09.11 | CoaxD | gryn: I can do stuff. but my extensions.conf gets more and more complex. and every time i have to go back and look at it, i forget what the hell i did |
01:09.26 | cursor | put comments in the file |
01:09.27 | twisted | HONNNNNK EEEE! |
01:09.31 | cursor | ; this is a comment |
01:09.31 | slePP | twiiiiiisted |
01:09.36 | gryn | CoaxD: we are writing a program to generate ours for us :P :) |
01:09.41 | slePP | anyone know what's up with 'tos_media' in SIP configs for these cisco's? |
01:09.44 | twisted | slePP, !!!!!!! |
01:09.44 | CoaxD | gryn: Scarey |
01:09.46 | slePP | what's '5' supposed to mean? |
01:09.52 | dougles | is GSM the best codec? |
01:09.53 | CoaxD | gryn: better open source it when its done |
01:09.55 | gryn | slePP: something between 4 and 6 |
01:09.57 | CoaxD | gryn: :) :) |
01:10.03 | slePP | gryn: hmm... makes sense :> |
01:10.03 | twisted | heh |
01:10.10 | CoaxD | gryn: Or better yet, open source it to start with |
01:10.12 | bkw_ | the best codec is ulaw |
01:10.16 | gryn | CoaxD: yeah, if _its_ legible :) |
01:10.18 | CoaxD | bkw: In what way? |
01:10.19 | bkw_ | the lowest bandwidth codec is g729 |
01:10.21 | dougles | how much bandwidth does it us |
01:10.22 | CoaxD | gryn: hehe |
01:10.22 | dougles | use |
01:10.32 | bkw_ | ulaw is 64k |
01:10.33 | spphreak | cool, thanks |
01:10.34 | CoaxD | bkw: I always use alaw for my sip shit when i need non-lossy. why ulaw? |
01:10.35 | bkw_ | g729 is 8k |
01:10.35 | twisted | ulaw is also the largest codec :) |
01:10.36 | gryn | dougles: the least. |
01:10.36 | dougles | damn |
01:10.42 | bkw_ | you must add overhead |
01:10.47 | cursor | iLBC is a very low bandwidth codec |
01:10.55 | CoaxD | cursor: Sounds really...tinny |
01:10.57 | cursor | and you don't need to pay the tax to use it |
01:10.58 | pfn | coax ulaw is US standard, alaw is european |
01:10.59 | dougles | GSM is like only 13kbps |
01:11.00 | bkw_ | CoaxD ulaw and alaw are the same damn thing |
01:11.00 | CoaxD | cursor: has that whacky...sound |
01:11.03 | CoaxD | pfn: Oh |
01:11.05 | cursor | GSM is good too |
01:11.07 | bkw_ | they differ by 2 bytes |
01:11.08 | eadz | I'm having trouble getting my H.323 hardware phone to connect to asterisk.. my phone is 10.0.0.2 and asterisk is .1, i have gatekeeper disables, the phone is set to P2P mode, and i have [eaden]type=user,host=10.0.0.2, context=default, in my h323.conf. I have h.323 debug on in the console, and i get the following when i dial in ( my dialing 10.0.0.1 on the phone, it's a Planet VIP-101T ) Received SETUP message \n Setting up Call \n Call token: [ip |
01:11.09 | CoaxD | bkw: Oh |
01:11.13 | bkw_ | if you're in the use use ulaw |
01:11.15 | CoaxD | bkw: I really didnt know that |
01:11.15 | spphreak | I'll get my asterisk server up and running, test stuff with the softphones, then if I likey still ;) I will buy the SPA-2000 |
01:11.23 | bkw_ | g711u/g711a |
01:11.26 | bkw_ | same damn codec |
01:11.26 | spphreak | and axe vonage :) |
01:11.29 | bkw_ | 2 bytes diffrent |
01:11.31 | CoaxD | bkw: I see. okay |
01:11.36 | bkw_ | ulaw is standard in us |
01:11.38 | CoaxD | bkw: Were they developed separately? |
01:11.40 | cursor | I mostly use ulaw |
01:11.42 | bkw_ | alas is standard in euro land |
01:11.48 | cursor | except for when I use iLNC |
01:11.50 | cursor | iLBC |
01:11.52 | CoaxD | bkw: or did the europeans require changing it just so they could appear different? |
01:11.59 | dougles | dude 64kbps |
01:12.00 | salimfadhley | All the dialplan examples are way more complex than I need... |
01:12.00 | dougles | thats so much |
01:12.02 | bkw_ | I think they just wanted to be diffrent |
01:12.14 | salimfadhley | Just trying to map 6001 to a sip channel called salimfadhley1 |
01:12.15 | twisted | europeans always want to be different than us |
01:12.16 | dougles | is the kbps the same for both your down and upstream |
01:12.18 | pfn | dougles not really |
01:12.19 | bkw_ | its the responsibility of the ulaw side to translate to alaw when needed |
01:12.22 | twisted | because we're stinky inbred idiots :P |
01:12.25 | pfn | dougles in each direction |
01:12.26 | bkw_ | just an FYI |
01:12.41 | bkw_ | CoaxD so you learned something today? |
01:12.54 | dougles | GSM is only 13kbps why not use it? |
01:12.54 | Connor_ | anyone have a copy of dantz retrospect express backup ?? (comes with maxtor one touch extrenal drive) |
01:13.18 | bkw_ | gsm is 13.2kbps |
01:13.18 | pfn | I wanna try g729 |
01:13.18 | dougles | compared to the 64kbps |
01:13.18 | bkw_ | gotta be exact people |
01:13.18 | twisted | indeed |
01:13.18 | pfn | I'm curious if I can make it usable for my calls to VN |
01:13.22 | bkw_ | ulaw with overhead is about 100k both ways |
01:13.23 | twisted | btw, iax2 trunking overhead is about 2.9k |
01:13.24 | bkw_ | you have to count overhead |
01:13.27 | spphreak | is g729 processor intensive? |
01:13.28 | pfn | ilbc performs so poorly when the input is garbled |
01:13.45 | twisted | err |
01:13.46 | twisted | 2.6k |
01:13.48 | spphreak | what codec do you guys typically use? |
01:13.55 | cursor | ulaw |
01:13.58 | twisted | i'm a g729 whore |
01:14.01 | pfn | 'cuz broadvoice won't support anything else, fuckers |
01:14.09 | pfn | if broadvoice supported g729, I'd buy like 5 licenses |
01:14.16 | bkw_ | why? |
01:14.18 | bkw_ | g729 is cheap |
01:14.20 | twisted | it's not a tax |
01:14.22 | spphreak | oh, they only support g729? |
01:14.23 | twisted | it's a licensing fee |
01:14.24 | cursor | because it only encourages them |
01:14.35 | pfn | broadvoice doesn't support g729, only g711 |
01:14.35 | cursor | standards should be open |
01:14.40 | bkw_ | g726 is nice |
01:14.40 | spphreak | so is it cpu intensive? |
01:14.49 | bkw_ | its ulaw like quality at half the price |
01:14.55 | CoaxD | cursor: its a patent, sir. |
01:14.58 | pfn | spphreak when you're handling >40-50 channels it's cpu intensive |
01:15.20 | cursor | Software patents are not legal in England |
01:15.23 | spphreak | I'm not sure I have the bandwidth for even the first channel |
01:15.32 | spphreak | I'm capped |
01:15.34 | spphreak | upload |
01:15.53 | CoaxD | cursor: And sorry to burst your bubble, but patents get royalty fees when they're used. |
01:16.04 | spphreak | who lets you use g729? |
01:16.16 | CoaxD | cursor: Too bad its patented in USA. |
01:16.19 | cursor | So as not to encourage monopolists |
01:16.21 | twisted | spphreak, nufone, for one :) |
01:16.35 | CoaxD | cursor: In what way does a software patent encourage monopolists? |
01:16.38 | dougles | why would use wanna waste 64kbps when u can use a free GSM codec for soo much less bandwidth |
01:16.51 | CoaxD | cursor: A patent only works for 20 years |
01:17.04 | CoaxD | cursor: After 20 years has lapsed, its open knowledge to all, and completely free. |
01:17.09 | cursor | That's long enough for a monopoly, I think |
01:17.21 | jmhunter | i think im going to get one of those uniden 2.4 ghz 3 packs from costco |
01:17.35 | BoRiS | twisted=always a whore! |
01:17.40 | pfn | jmhunter yeah, sounds like a good deal |
01:17.50 | pfn | I paid like $110 for my motorola cordless... |
01:18.03 | jmhunter | 3 phones one base.. $99, $10 coupon this week |
01:18.08 | pfn | that's cheap |
01:18.16 | pfn | although, kinda sucks |
01:18.28 | twisted | BoRiS, but of course :) |
01:18.37 | jmhunter | i have a vtech 2.4 expandable.. but its reallly hard to find the expansion units now |
01:18.47 | BoRiS | lol |
01:18.48 | jmhunter | why sucks pfn? |
01:19.01 | dougles | i need to get a fxo card |
01:19.08 | dougles | still havent done that |
01:19.08 | cursor | Get one |
01:19.13 | cursor | They're cheap |
01:19.15 | dougles | ya |
01:19.19 | dougles | which is good one for cheap |
01:19.22 | jmhunter | ive got a genuine x100p for sale... if u give me 45 its urs |
01:19.36 | gryn | ok first patents used to be 7, and now they are 20, just like copyrights, the monopolies want the patents to last longer. patents do encourage monopolies. |
01:19.40 | dougles | i need to plug my phone in my asterisk box |
01:19.42 | dougles | just i havent needed to |
01:19.49 | dougles | i use it as VMBs/conf/call in line |
01:19.55 | denon | gryn: patents also encourage development |
01:19.57 | twisted | hmm |
01:20.02 | twisted | anyone wanna get rid of a channel bank? |
01:20.03 | gryn | denon: i don't agree. |
01:20.09 | cursor | Asterisk boxes like it when phones are connected |
01:20.18 | dougles | lol |
01:20.27 | denon | I do, companies invest a lot more energy in a product, if they know it wont get ripped off in 5 years |
01:20.45 | evilbuny | denon, opensource hasn't discouraged software developments |
01:20.46 | cursor | rubbish |
01:20.54 | |Blaze| | denon, name me a single product that hasn't been ripped off in 5 years |
01:21.11 | |Blaze| | if it's worth selling, someone will find a way to make something close enough that avoids the pattent |
01:21.15 | cursor | patents discourage open source |
01:21.17 | denon | |Blaze|: but if it weren't for the patent, how many MORE times would it be ripped off |
01:21.23 | cursor | they create a legal minefield |
01:21.30 | cursor | you'd have to check every line of code |
01:21.34 | gryn | denon: i agree that for some industries that would not exist without monopolies (or at least 'big firms') patents are they way they survive. that's my original statement though, patents encourage monopolies. |
01:21.35 | cursor | It'd be a nightmare |
01:21.36 | denon | if it werent for the patent, any schmuck could steal the idea and market it |
01:21.42 | cursor | Free countries are not affected |
01:22.04 | gryn | denon: not many. |
01:22.06 | gryn | (more) |
01:22.09 | cursor | Release the software open source and let people use it |
01:22.19 | gryn | denon: but it's just an idea. |
01:22.50 | gryn | denon: i'm a service based economy supporter. not an idea based enconomy supporter. |
01:23.04 | cursor | An implementation's source would be protected by copyright |
01:23.06 | |Blaze| | patents just restrict inovation for the most part |
01:23.15 | |Blaze| | everything we have around us is based off something that came before it |
01:23.15 | cursor | but patenting an algorithm is stupid |
01:23.33 | |Blaze| | and if we keep getting put back 20 years after every invention, we are just shooting ourselves in the foot |
01:23.38 | denon | gryn: yeah, I dunno .. if I have a really, really good idea. . I want to be able to keep some rights to it before I give it away |
01:23.39 | evilbuny | cursor: IBM proved that |
01:23.44 | gryn | denon: but i'm not saying that pham. comp.s could do what they do without patents. it's neccessary there. but i do think there are alternatives for situations like that. |
01:24.00 | evilbuny | they managed to patent an algorythm for deciding who gets to use a toilet next |
01:24.17 | denon | gryn: yeah, im not real hard convinced one way or the other |
01:24.24 | twisted | you do realize that even toilets are patented, right? |
01:24.26 | denon | but I dont think they're a totally bad thing |
01:24.26 | twisted | :P |
01:24.32 | evilbuny | denon: i saw a good article on why nothing should be patented |
01:24.34 | cursor | Wheel patent: http://www.ipmenu.com/archive/AUI_2001100012.pdf |
01:24.40 | gryn | denon: well if you want to. but it's just an idea. look how many -documented- cases there are of people inventing the same things at nearly the same time. |
01:24.45 | evilbuny | then universities would be funded to do the research |
01:24.49 | denon | evilbuny: imho, nothing is a word that should be used very infrequently |
01:24.53 | evilbuny | and the public wouldn't get stiffed with sugar pills |
01:25.21 | cursor | There are companies that don't produce anything and only exist to extract license fees from the patents they've bought |
01:25.31 | cursor | How is that protecting the author? |
01:25.49 | gryn | denon: well it's just perposterous to me to even think you can say 'this is my idea', so what you are saying that you didn't talk or read anything else in your entire life that enabled you to think about this idea? everything is based on your and others past expereinces. |
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01:26.42 | cursor | I'm just glad I don't have to worry about it. I still won't pay a G.729 tax on principal |
01:26.43 | CoaxD | Guys, think about patents in another way |
01:26.47 | Pkunk | do the cdr logs in asterisk store the STOP time or the start time in the calldate field ? |
01:26.49 | CoaxD | Patents only cover *THE PRODUCT* |
01:26.54 | pfn | IBM puts out a lot of patents.... |
01:27.02 | cursor | No |
01:27.02 | CoaxD | If information held in a patent allows you to come up with a NEW IDEA |
01:27.04 | evilbuny | CoaxD: no, not in the US |
01:27.06 | CoaxD | Its YOURS to patent! |
01:27.08 | gryn | also, we have only had patent laws for less than 200 years. but we managed to go through most of the industrial revolution without them. |
01:27.09 | cursor | Some patents cover an idea, which is stupid |
01:27.22 | mitcheloc | pkunk: i think it's the starttime plus the length in another field |
01:27.35 | CoaxD | Okay. so if someone patents a codec that can do 6kbit/sec today |
01:27.39 | pfn | pkunk in cdr_odbc? |
01:27.41 | bkw_ | some cover a process |
01:27.48 | cursor | Software moves to fast to be crippled with patents |
01:27.49 | CoaxD | and i go "Wow. this codec thing is cool." and develop a codec that can do 4kbit/sec |
01:27.51 | CoaxD | I CAN PATENT IT |
01:27.59 | pfn | speaking of which, is that patch in yet? |
01:28.03 | bkw_ | cdr_odbc.c now stores the start time in calldate |
01:28.04 | bkw_ | as of today |
01:28.16 | bkw_ | yes its in cvs |
01:28.29 | bkw_ | cdr_odbc is the only one that does it correctly |
01:28.34 | pfn | yep, it is |
01:28.43 | bkw_ | all the rest calc the calldate as the time the record is posted to sql |
01:28.46 | bkw_ | so you talk for 45 min |
01:28.52 | bkw_ | the calldate is off by 45 min |
01:28.53 | pfn | yep, pretty lame |
01:29.05 | BoRiS | lets fix cdr_pgsql :) |
01:29.13 | bkw_ | you have a mouse in your pocket? |
01:29.15 | bkw_ | fix it |
01:29.19 | bkw_ | :P |
01:29.30 | BoRiS | hmmm, lets look at your patch! |
01:29.33 | cursor | do you need a mouse for cdr_pgsql? |
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01:29.42 | pfn | retrieving revision 1.14 |
01:29.42 | pfn | Merging differences between 1.13 and 1.14 into cdr_odbc.c |
01:29.42 | pfn | cdr_odbc.c already contains the differences between 1.13 and 1.14 |
01:29.42 | pfn | U cdr_sqlite.c |
01:29.43 | pfn | :) |
01:29.45 | bkw_ | BoRiS its a simple fix |
01:29.52 | BoRiS | localtime_r(&cdr->start.tv_sec,&tm); |
01:29.53 | bkw_ | you use cdr->start |
01:30.02 | bkw_ | which is the "right" thing to do |
01:30.45 | mtp | HY |
01:31.08 | cursor | HP |
01:31.11 | bkw_ | ya 3 line fix for cdr_pgsql |
01:31.18 | pfn | TQ |
01:31.29 | cursor | KW |
01:31.59 | Connor_ | what are you all "fixing" with the cdr stuff ? |
01:32.01 | pfn | PS |
01:32.18 | cursor | EG |
01:32.24 | pfn | IE |
01:32.24 | BoRiS | Annoying! |
01:32.39 | cursor | ZZ |
01:32.52 | pfn | wq |
01:32.58 | denon | ! |
01:32.59 | cursor | ls |
01:33.01 | bkw_ | BoRiS I have a diff |
01:33.17 | bkw_ | http://65.38.28.146/cdr_pgsql.diff |
01:33.38 | BoRiS | Yeeeeeeeeeeah! |
01:33.50 | BoRiS | So now all my logs are screwed? |
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01:34.06 | bkw_ | cdr_sqllite.c does it right also |
01:34.11 | pfn | yep |
01:34.19 | pfn | I wrote a script to update the cdr's to the correct date |
01:34.26 | bkw_ | pfn give it to BoRiS |
01:34.44 | cursor | I run the Asterisk server using UTC |
01:34.50 | cursor | so all the dates are 'correct' |
01:35.03 | pfn | http://www.gofti.com/ast/update_calldate |
01:35.12 | cursor | even when moving to/from daylight time |
01:35.22 | pfn | the timestamps have TZ info in them |
01:35.24 | pfn | so that's taken care of |
01:35.41 | Pkunk | pls don't update pgsql to post the correct time |
01:35.42 | pfn | hell, I wrote something to load my Master.csv cdr-csv into pgsql, too |
01:35.48 | cursor | I do the TZ when presenting the info |
01:35.51 | bkw_ | cdr_mysql does it wrong also |
01:35.56 | Pkunk | coz i'm modifying my billing to adjust for it |
01:36.00 | pfn | I have my Master.csv loaded into there now |
01:36.01 | pfn | :) |
01:36.04 | bkw_ | cdr_odbc and cdr_sqllite do it right |
01:36.23 | pfn | pkunk you mean you deduct duration from calldate to get start time? |
01:36.27 | pfn | that's weak... |
01:36.27 | [g2] | If I buy an IAXy do I need an asterisk server, or will by VOIP bb provider be the server ? |
01:36.30 | pfn | just update it to be right |
01:36.43 | pfn | g2 you can run off of the iaxy providers |