| 00:00.03 | Mike | yeah but an e1 here its very very very very expensive |
| 00:00.06 | illc0mmm | but, in mexico, probably too much |
| 00:00.09 | illc0mmm | yeah. hehe |
| 00:00.10 | Mike | 8 pots are really cheap |
| 00:00.26 | Mike | what card could hold 8 pots? |
| 00:00.35 | illc0mmm | Mike, dont know of any |
| 00:00.45 | rollyson | mike: a T1/E1 card connected to a channel bank |
| 00:00.50 | Mike | heller: paid to ideot neibors yeah |
| 00:00.52 | illc0mmm | but a E1/T1 channel bank might be able to do it in reverse? |
| 00:01.08 | Mike | rollyson: a E1 is to expensive |
| 00:01.15 | illc0mmm | no you don't buy an e1 |
| 00:01.16 | Mike | having 8 pots rj11 is cheaper |
| 00:01.25 | illc0mmm | you aggragate the pots into a channel bank |
| 00:01.26 | rollyson | mike: you don't buy an e1 |
| 00:01.34 | heller | i believe digium is thinking about or making a fxo modules for the tdm400p |
| 00:01.34 | illc0mmm | then that plugs into the asterisk server's t1 card |
| 00:01.44 | rollyson | pots <-> channel bank <-> e1 |
| 00:02.04 | illc0mmm | well, you can get channel banks pretty cheap on ebay now |
| 00:02.05 | Mike | ok so having the 8pots you plug en in a channel bank |
| 00:02.07 | Mike | how:P? |
| 00:02.22 | lecram | usually with rj11 connectors |
| 00:02.23 | heller | and, if you do that, you'll have 16 lines left over for local extensions. |
| 00:02.49 | illc0mmm | lecram: I thought they used 25 pair cable? like to a 66 or 110 block |
| 00:03.26 | illc0mmm | wait |
| 00:03.34 | Mike | a good E1 for internet its arround 6k per month |
| 00:03.37 | Mike | a good one |
| 00:03.38 | illc0mmm | hold me, I'm scard |
| 00:03.41 | illc0mmm | scared |
| 00:03.42 | Mike | you could get E1 for less |
| 00:03.56 | Mike | 3k maybe a bad E1 |
| 00:04.08 | Mike | the pot its 20dlls a month |
| 00:04.09 | Mike | :P |
| 00:04.12 | zoa2 | E1 ? |
| 00:04.15 | zoa2 | euhm |
| 00:04.15 | Mike | yeah |
| 00:04.20 | Mike | european standars kid |
| 00:04.31 | illc0mmm | E at 1 |
| 00:04.35 | illc0mmm | Eat 1 |
| 00:04.37 | Mike | DS1DS3E1E3 |
| 00:04.38 | rollyson | mike: the E1 would be a crossover from the channel bank to the * box. |
| 00:04.40 | zoa2 | i get that for free as long as i put over 250$ traffic a month on them |
| 00:04.41 | Mike | STM-1 |
| 00:04.41 | Mike | etc |
| 00:05.09 | Mike | rolly i see |
| 00:05.09 | rollyson | so the telco never sees the T1 |
| 00:05.12 | rollyson | err E1 |
| 00:05.16 | Mike | rollyson: how much its a channel bank? |
| 00:05.21 | illc0mmm | well, if its inside might as well be T1 |
| 00:05.23 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: was it you that mentioned the other day you knew if a CF-IDE adapter would work with the Voiceage g729a codec?? |
| 00:05.37 | illc0mmm | Mike: from $250 - $1000 |
| 00:05.42 | illc0mmm | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&krd=1&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=channel+bank |
| 00:05.43 | rollyson | probably $1000 USD or less on ebay |
| 00:05.47 | Mike | i guess its cheaper to get a MBO with 8pci or so |
| 00:05.48 | Mike | :P |
| 00:05.53 | illc0mmm | nah |
| 00:06.19 | zoa2 | apathy i don't know |
| 00:06.21 | rollyson | mike: channel bank is cheaper than buying a bunch of FXO PCI cards. |
| 00:06.23 | zoa2 | but i doubt it :) |
| 00:06.30 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: ok...bugger |
| 00:06.34 | SplasPood | exten => 9,1,DISA,1234|local |
| 00:06.37 | illc0mmm | not to mention less mess |
| 00:06.39 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: my * box is all scsi =[ |
| 00:06.59 | SplasPood | anyone know why that doesn't prompt me for my password? |
| 00:07.27 | Mike | rollyson: i hopefully never have to play with more than one line:P |
| 00:07.40 | Mike | rollyson: im doing asterisk for my home usage only |
| 00:07.42 | illc0mmm | Mike: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3061236139&category=11908 |
| 00:07.46 | Mike | just curios |
| 00:07.55 | illc0mmm | it's at $100 now or $400 buy it now. but that's for 24 channels |
| 00:07.58 | zoa2 | ^apathy^ so what, so is mine |
| 00:08.12 | zoa2 | i have 3 scsi asterisk servers |
| 00:08.17 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: are you using g729? |
| 00:08.19 | zoa2 | no problems at all |
| 00:08.20 | zoa2 | yes |
| 00:08.27 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: how? |
| 00:08.43 | SplasPood | Any of you guys ever setup DISA? |
| 00:08.48 | zoa2 | i bought a license |
| 00:08.52 | zoa2 | for each server |
| 00:08.57 | zoa2 | and that seemed to work just fine |
| 00:09.06 | ^apathy^ | SplasPood: i tried, a few days ago it prompted but no dialtone afterwards |
| 00:09.29 | SplasPood | ^apathy^: heh, mine doesn't prompt, gives me a dialtone, but doesn't seem to go anywhere from there |
| 00:09.47 | *** join/#asterisk Talento (~talento@200.82.68.98) |
| 00:09.49 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: ok. so it doesn't need ide? |
| 00:10.18 | *** join/#asterisk bobman (~bobman@me-sebago-cmts1b-15.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 00:10.26 | rollyson | splaspood: try the password at that dialtone. |
| 00:10.39 | rollyson | may have to follow with # |
| 00:10.48 | zoa2 | it doesnt need ide |
| 00:10.49 | SplasPood | rollyson: I did, just gave me silence... with or without the '3' |
| 00:10.52 | SplasPood | erm the # |
| 00:10.54 | rollyson | and you'll then get a real dialtone. |
| 00:11.00 | zoa2 | but you might have troubles with the license |
| 00:11.00 | xpasha_home | btw guys anybody have free g729 for asterisk |
| 00:11.01 | rollyson | or should |
| 00:11.05 | xpasha_home | or g723 at least |
| 00:11.06 | xpasha_home | ! |
| 00:11.07 | zoa2 | as IT SUX ! |
| 00:11.20 | zoa2 | xpasha_home: it doesnt exist |
| 00:11.23 | zoa2 | you need a license |
| 00:11.33 | xpasha_home | I haev seen g723 |
| 00:11.37 | zoa2 | there is no such thing as free g729 |
| 00:11.39 | *** part/#asterisk Talento (~talento@200.82.68.98) |
| 00:11.46 | xpasha_home | aand what about g723? |
| 00:11.49 | ^apathy^ | xpasha_home: link? |
| 00:11.58 | zoa2 | yes g723.1 exists, pass thru :-p |
| 00:12.19 | xpasha_home | zoa2 what you mean? |
| 00:12.43 | xpasha_home | where is it? |
| 00:12.48 | zoa2 | read the manual ! |
| 00:12.54 | xpasha_home | what manual? |
| 00:13.00 | xpasha_home | there are a lot |
| 00:13.27 | zoa2 | g723.1 is only supported in pass thru mode |
| 00:13.38 | xpasha_home | zoa2 what is the mode? |
| 00:14.14 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: hmm, Digium's site still says "Note: Please do not attempt to use the G.729 code in a SCSI-only system" |
| 00:15.04 | dant | xpasha_home, pass thru |
| 00:15.38 | xpasha_home | betwen systems working with their own g723? |
| 00:15.45 | xpasha_home | without translation I mean |
| 00:16.40 | dant | xpasha_home, e.g. 2 phones using g723 can call each other, but neither can communicate with * using g723 |
| 00:17.02 | zoa2 | ^apathy^ it sometimes gives problems |
| 00:17.12 | Mike | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3060334866&category=11909 |
| 00:17.17 | Mike | this guys is a stealer |
| 00:17.31 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: oh right...so it's not "won't work at all" more "works mostly" |
| 00:18.07 | dant | Mike, note... 0 bids |
| 00:18.25 | zoa2 | yupes |
| 00:18.45 | dant | Mike, you can only sell something for as much as someone is willing to pay... his bet is on stupid people using ebay |
| 00:19.17 | illc0mmm | yeah |
| 00:20.06 | xpasha_home | dant I see |
| 00:20.17 | dant | this on the other hand |
| 00:20.19 | dant | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3061600506&category=176 |
| 00:20.20 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: thanks for clearing that up =] |
| 00:20.43 | zoa2 | although maybe i have an ide controller on the mainboard in those servers |
| 00:20.45 | zoa2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.46 | xpasha_home | anybody tried to make round-robin serial line? |
| 00:20.51 | dant | reasonable price... though no doubt it'll have gone a lot higher before it gets into last day |
| 00:20.52 | zoa2 | but i'm sure i don't have non scsi disks |
| 00:20.56 | Mike | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3062006961&category=33930 |
| 00:20.56 | xpasha_home | for example I have 5 phones |
| 00:20.57 | zoa2 | or ide cdroms |
| 00:21.05 | Mike | that actually works with * |
| 00:21.05 | xpasha_home | and whant them with one number |
| 00:21.13 | illc0mmm | Mike: That's a good deal |
| 00:21.22 | Mike | illc0mmm: works? with asterisk? |
| 00:21.32 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: my understanding is that they use the serial number of the first ide hard drive |
| 00:21.36 | xpasha_home | how to make asterisk behaviour like it calls phones randlomly |
| 00:21.37 | xpasha_home | ? |
| 00:21.44 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: so just having an ide controller wouldn't cut it |
| 00:21.59 | zoa2 | ic yes |
| 00:22.03 | ^apathy^ | zoa2: obviously wrong tho, considering you setup |
| 00:22.10 | *** join/#asterisk kamtorus (~kamtorus@hoochie.digium.com) |
| 00:22.14 | illc0mmm | Mike: Yeah, you can flash it with SIP firmware |
| 00:22.24 | illc0mmm | Mike: But you need to own the license for it. :) |
| 00:22.34 | xpasha_home | btw I found cause of the problem |
| 00:22.38 | Mike | illc0mmm: how much the license? |
| 00:22.46 | Mike | illc0mmm: you have one of those? |
| 00:22.47 | xpasha_home | it works well with outofband dtmf of asterisk %) |
| 00:22.57 | xpasha_home | i mean cisco phone |
| 00:22.58 | kamtorus | hi, i have this error when i try to launch asterisk : [cdr_pgsql.so]WARNING[1024]: File loader.c, Line 239 (ast_load_resource): libpq.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:23.07 | illc0mmm | Mike: Yes I do. have a few... But buying them off ebay is frowned upon by Cisco |
| 00:23.14 | illc0mmm | Mike: They claim not to support that stuff |
| 00:23.21 | kamtorus | doeas anyone can help me ? |
| 00:23.40 | bkw_ | kamtorus postgres error |
| 00:23.48 | ^apathy^ | kamtorus: you don't have the Postgres libaries installed |
| 00:23.53 | bkw_ | add noload => cdr_pgsql.so to modules.conf |
| 00:24.00 | bkw_ | ^apathy^ yes he does or it woudln't compile |
| 00:24.05 | bkw_ | its just in the wrong place |
| 00:24.10 | kamtorus | ok, what pgsql library is needed ? |
| 00:24.13 | ^apathy^ | bkw_: you're assuming he compiled it himself |
| 00:24.46 | kamtorus | apathy yes i've compiled myself |
| 00:24.58 | ^apathy^ | kamtorus: ok then bkw_ is right =] |
| 00:25.06 | bkw_ | haha |
| 00:25.53 | bkw_ | oh i'm not laffing at you |
| 00:25.58 | bkw_ | i'm laffing at capital one |
| 00:26.00 | bkw_ | they are silly |
| 00:26.22 | ^apathy^ | bkw_: i couldn't stand commercial radio in the UK |
| 00:27.05 | *** join/#asterisk haxr01 (~firedude@pcp03221000pcs.grgtwn01.de.comcast.net) |
| 00:27.12 | bkw_ | they are in india |
| 00:27.12 | bkw_ | haha |
| 00:27.27 | kamtorus | bkw it's ok with noload, thanks. what is wrong ? my postgresql installation ? |
| 00:27.34 | bkw_ | its on crack |
| 00:27.36 | haxr01 | my asterisk is crashing, can anyone offer any assistance |
| 00:27.38 | ^apathy^ | bkw_: aaah, the disease is spreading ;) |
| 00:28.03 | bkw_ | I hungup on the guy at capital one |
| 00:28.11 | bkw_ | "What part of NO do you not understand" |
| 00:28.54 | rollyson | argh, where the hell is the admin mode toggle for the snom 200 |
| 00:30.36 | atacomm | rollyson: what do you mean by toggle? the radio button? |
| 00:31.19 | rollyson | admin mode was accidently toggled off, now I don't get the toggle to turn it back on. |
| 00:31.43 | atacomm | hmm, you mean you are in user mode? |
| 00:31.55 | rollyson | yeah, its in user mode. |
| 00:32.00 | *** join/#asterisk BSDGuy (~yeahright@64-35-128-125.gohighspeed.com) |
| 00:32.08 | atacomm | never done that, heh, dont know how to change that..... |
| 00:32.21 | rollyson | I don't know where to find the option to switch back to admin mode on the 200 |
| 00:32.33 | rollyson | the 100 has it right on the menu. |
| 00:32.42 | atacomm | well, i'm pretty use you need to get in with a password dont you? |
| 00:32.47 | BSDGuy | Is there some kind of website or something that contains something like "Asterisk for the compleat idiot"? |
| 00:33.01 | rollyson | atacomm: yeah, you have to have a password. I have that. |
| 00:33.11 | atacomm | BSDGuy: not totally, but i have found www.voip-info.org to be helpful |
| 00:33.27 | haxr01 | my asterisk server keeps crashing can anyone offer me some hints |
| 00:33.27 | BSDGuy | I'm interested, but I don't know the terminology, the hardware, the standards, nothing. |
| 00:33.44 | atacomm | then that is definately the page for you to go to |
| 00:33.44 | Corydon76 | First, start with a stable Linux distribution. |
| 00:34.06 | BSDGuy | there's little more stable than FreeBSD |
| 00:34.11 | atacomm | not fully, i dont think zaptel is fully ported yet |
| 00:34.24 | BSDGuy | i could find no reference to zaptel |
| 00:34.36 | BSDGuy | but I don't know what zaptel is |
| 00:34.38 | Corydon76 | Trust me, I'm a BSD guy... save yourself the trouble and use Linux |
| 00:34.44 | BSDGuy | or why it's important |
| 00:35.40 | tholo | Zaptel are drivers for hardware enabling use of traditional telephony equipment (T1's, analog phones etc). |
| 00:35.56 | BSDGuy | I see |
| 00:35.57 | tholo | In addition, it also gives one relatively important piece of support for Asterisk. |
| 00:36.35 | tholo | That is accurate timing -- needed to be able to do conferencing, and to do trunking of calls over IAX2 (less network protocol overhead when there are multiple calls). |
| 00:37.27 | Corydon76 | Unless you're a BSD hacker like tholo, consider the *BSD port of asterisk to be alpha and unsupported... |
| 00:37.50 | BSDGuy | well, what I want, is just to have 2-4 inbound analog lines that route calls to extensions, offer voicemail, and route to phones over my IP network. |
| 00:38.20 | BSDGuy | needs to support outbound calls as well |
| 00:38.26 | Corydon76 | Pick a Linux distribution, any one, as long as it's not Redhat 9 |
| 00:38.48 | atacomm | lol, i use RH9, works great |
| 00:38.54 | tholo | Then you really should stick to Linux for now -- even though I ported Asterisk to BSD, I do, as I said, run my production stuff on Linux. |
| 00:38.54 | BSDGuy | I so hate the linux installs I've worked on that it's almost enough for me to not do the project. |
| 00:39.02 | mishehu | slackware would probably be a good pick |
| 00:39.19 | rollyson | atacomm: even worse, the web interface is crippled while in user mode. |
| 00:39.27 | Corydon76 | Using Asterisk on RH9 is like playing roulette with your production services |
| 00:39.27 | rollyson | so I can't do ANYTHING to this phone. |
| 00:39.45 | SplasPood | I'd suggest debian |
| 00:39.51 | atacomm | rollyson: yeah, thats what it sounds like, i've never turned it off before |
| 00:40.00 | Corydon76 | Like I said, anything but RH9 |
| 00:40.11 | BSDGuy | Now I remember why i like FreeBSD so well :) |
| 00:40.29 | rollyson | atacomm: I've turned it off on a snom 100 before |
| 00:40.39 | rollyson | that's easy to undo. |
| 00:40.40 | Corydon76 | Like there's no wars between Free-, Open-, and Net- :-P |
| 00:40.40 | mishehu | BSDGuy: Slackware should be relatively similar to BSD... |
| 00:40.46 | atacomm | corydon: i've had no problems with it, it was either RH9 or Suse, because the intel board only had drivers for the two, and well, I wasnt going to plop down money to try Suse without knowing if it would work, so RedHat won, and RedHat works great after it had the correct drivers |
| 00:40.52 | SplasPood | Corydon76: thats not *exactly* true |
| 00:40.55 | rollyson | the manual has no mention of the option for the 200 though |
| 00:41.10 | atacomm | rollyson: what firmware version? |
| 00:41.19 | haxr01 | asterisk keeps crashing can anyone help? |
| 00:41.25 | bkw_ | blah timmah |
| 00:41.35 | BSDGuy | cory, uhhh, no significant amount of them. |
| 00:41.50 | rollyson | atacomm: 2.02t IIRC |
| 00:42.02 | SplasPood | I still seem to find asterisk working inconsistently.. even under Linux... But that may be due to my idiocy |
| 00:42.09 | tholo | There's less of it than there used to be, certainly. |
| 00:42.20 | BSDGuy | so, is asterisk an application? |
| 00:42.23 | atacomm | hmm..i really have no idea, i know they recently changed something regarding it according to their release notes |
| 00:42.33 | BSDGuy | if so, is it available in binary format? |
| 00:42.37 | tholo | Yes, but Zaptel is kernel drivers. ;-) |
| 00:42.47 | SplasPood | BSDGuy: as compared to a state of mind? ;) |
| 00:43.04 | BSDGuy | you mean I'd have to build a linux kernel? |
| 00:43.14 | tholo | Not really -- development is still happening so fast that running current out of CVS is recommended... |
| 00:43.24 | tholo | No. You need to have kernel sources installed, but do not have to build a kernel. |
| 00:43.41 | tholo | Linux uses loadable kernel modules for most of their drivers, including Zaptel. |
| 00:43.51 | mishehu | SplasPood: I have 0.5.0 running for a few months now stabily... although I have a very light load on the system. |
| 00:43.51 | SplasPood | But if you don't have zaptel hardware, there's no sense in compiling the drivers, no? |
| 00:44.12 | BSDGuy | well, I'm freaking confused... because I don't know what hardware does what |
| 00:44.23 | SplasPood | mishehu: Well me too, I'm just screwing around with it... I'm sure the problems I have are due to A) Limited docs and B) limited experience on my part |
| 00:44.25 | tholo | Except there is a "dummy" driver available to give the needed timing information for doing conferences and trunking, SplasPood... |
| 00:44.27 | Corydon76 | Not unless you want to use IAX2 trunking, conferencing, or MOH |
| 00:44.35 | SplasPood | tholo: really? |
| 00:44.42 | tholo | Really. |
| 00:44.49 | BSDGuy | what is iax2 trunking? |
| 00:44.52 | SplasPood | tholo: hrm.. Might that be the cause of some of the problems I'm having? |
| 00:44.54 | tholo | Just needs to be enabled in the Zaptel makefile. |
| 00:44.59 | Corydon76 | As long as you have uhci-usb |
| 00:45.06 | tholo | Dunno what problems you are having. |
| 00:45.10 | mishehu | BSDGuy: linking asterisk systems together |
| 00:45.18 | BSDGuy | oh, ok, thanks |
| 00:45.26 | SplasPood | tholo: well just consistency stuff... Sometimes extentions just hang, channels never drop, things like that |
| 00:45.40 | Corydon76 | which channels? |
| 00:45.45 | SplasPood | Specifically SIP |
| 00:45.55 | tholo | BSDGuy: IAX2 Trunking is the ability to run two or more conversations over the same UDP stream, so that you don't incur the IP, UDP and IAX overhead for each conversation, but share that overhead between N conversations. |
| 00:46.12 | Corydon76 | Who's on the other side of those SIP connections? |
| 00:46.20 | lecram | tholo: has any work been done on getting the zaptel drivers running on bsd? |
| 00:46.24 | tholo | Hm, I am not seeing that kind of problems, and I run systems both with and without Zaptel stuff. |
| 00:46.25 | mishehu | SplasPood: most likely a bad config on your part... I've got a 7960 running flawlessly... |
| 00:46.32 | mishehu | with the SIP firmware |
| 00:46.38 | BSDGuy | I would not need that |
| 00:47.06 | tholo | lecram: I dunno -- I don't have any resources for that myself, being busy with a startup, an infant and a toddler... ;-) |
| 00:47.09 | SplasPood | mishehu: Yea, I'm sure the problem here is me and not asterisk.. |
| 00:47.14 | mishehu | I know I had a bitch of a time getting SIP configured properly |
| 00:47.15 | *** join/#asterisk BSDGuy (~yeahright@64-35-128-118.gohighspeed.com) |
| 00:47.22 | BSDGuy | I HATE dialup. |
| 00:47.26 | lecram | :) |
| 00:47.31 | tholo | Oh, yeah. And my rating engine that is up at http://www.trollphone.org/files/ (which JerJer is so down on). |
| 00:47.40 | mishehu | BSDGuy: I feel your pain. thankfully, I don't feel your speed. |
| 00:47.53 | BSDGuy | I'll have broadband next week... hopefully |
| 00:48.07 | tholo | Oh, and a community site that has not really been announced anywhere yet at http://www.iaxprovider.net/ ... ;-) |
| 00:48.16 | SplasPood | Has anyone here ever played with an audiocodes FXO box? The MP-108 specifically |
| 00:48.44 | BSDGuy | ok, someone posted a url to a how-to site... and i lost it when I got disconnected |
| 00:48.53 | SplasPood | www.voip-info.org |
| 00:49.04 | SplasPood | I think thats the best I've fouind |
| 00:50.22 | BSDGuy | well, i'm going to be offering wireless broadband in a rural area... a place where there's lot of summer or part-time residences. I'd like to offer them the ability to have rudimentary phone communications without having to install or maintain a telephone line... something that's a free, value-added service. |
| 00:51.03 | Corydon76 | What, you're installing fiber to the curb? |
| 00:51.06 | BSDGuy | let the customers use a few phone lines as if they were extensions of my business phone lines. |
| 00:51.12 | Corydon76 | What, you're not installing fiber to the curb? |
| 00:51.12 | BSDGuy | wireless broadband |
| 00:51.13 | mishehu | free, value added, until they make international phone calls. ;-) |
| 00:51.35 | BSDGuy | naw, that can be blocked |
| 00:52.30 | BSDGuy | just an incentive for the snowbirds to sign up |
| 00:53.38 | BSDGuy | http://www.voip-info.org/ won't resolve. |
| 00:54.03 | Corydon76 | Whose DNS are you using? |
| 00:54.48 | BSDGuy | isp's |
| 00:54.50 | lecram | welpje:[~] % host www.voip-info.org |
| 00:54.50 | lecram | www.voip-info.org has address 64.65.89.227 |
| 00:55.04 | Corydon76 | Well, duh, but who is that? |
| 00:55.24 | BSDGuy | 180networks or some such |
| 00:55.36 | BSDGuy | they just sold to someone else |
| 00:55.44 | Corydon76 | Setup your own DNS... they're probably caching it incorrectly |
| 00:55.46 | BSDGuy | used to be gohighspeed.com |
| 00:56.19 | *** join/#asterisk Stealth_Man (~Stealth_M@h-67-101-128-72.NYCMNY83.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 00:56.33 | BSDGuy | actually, named on my gateway box is configured as my dns for my home network |
| 00:56.51 | BSDGuy | but it just references a few outside nameservers |
| 00:56.55 | Corydon76 | You have forwarders set up in your DNS? |
| 00:57.05 | Corydon76 | yeah, see, that won't work. |
| 00:57.17 | Corydon76 | Try 129.59.1.10 and 129.59.2.10 |
| 00:57.33 | BSDGuy | This page is used to test the proper operation of the Apache Web server after it has been installed. If you can read this page, it means that the Apache Web server installed at this site is working properly. |
| 00:57.41 | BSDGuy | that's the ip you sent me to |
| 00:57.53 | SplasPood | BSDGuy: cause they use ip-less virtual hosting |
| 00:57.56 | Corydon76 | Well, don't type in IPs |
| 00:57.56 | SplasPood | since you gave it an IP |
| 00:57.59 | SplasPood | it doesnt know which site |
| 00:58.07 | Corydon76 | Fix your DNS first |
| 00:59.49 | lecram | I gave you the ip number so you could see what to expect |
| 00:59.59 | *** join/#asterisk scud (~scud@12-214-3-72.client.mchsi.com) |
| 01:00.09 | lecram | worst case you can put it in your hosts file |
| 01:00.14 | ciego34 | a carrier using cisco can provide voip service to * ???? |
| 01:01.08 | SplasPood | ciego34: well, asterisk supports MGCP and SIP, so I'd assume so... but I'm not a telephony/asterisk expert |
| 01:01.39 | ciego34 | SIP on *... pufff, not too fine |
| 01:01.43 | *** join/#asterisk ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 01:02.16 | ciego34 | i have a lot trouble here with * & sip |
| 01:03.00 | Mike | ciego34: cuanto tiempo llevas usando asterisk? |
| 01:03.19 | ciego34 | unos 7 dias |
| 01:03.22 | BSDGuy | ip-less virtual hosting sucks |
| 01:03.33 | ciego34 | pero todo son problemas |
| 01:03.47 | tholo | There's not much choice if you can't get IP address space. |
| 01:04.18 | SplasPood | As a matter of fact, ARIN won't give IP allocations for "web hosting" unless yer doing SSL |
| 01:04.53 | tholo | I'll happily stop using IP-less virtual hosting if anyone would care to donate a portable /24 .... |
| 01:05.20 | ciego34 | after 7 day testing * i think is better pay 5k for used as53XX cisco |
| 01:05.35 | rollyson | no reason not to do ipless vhosting for regular websites. |
| 01:05.44 | tholo | I had one many years ago. Then I was *stoopid* enuf to give it back to the InterNIC when I moved to California. |
| 01:06.10 | *** join/#asterisk scud (~scud@12-214-3-72.client.mchsi.com) |
| 01:06.14 | SplasPood | tholo: I have one someone ... aquired... from a failed dotCommie in canada |
| 01:06.25 | SplasPood | 192.75.207.0/24 |
| 01:06.44 | BSDGuy | does the site work for anyone else besides me? |
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| 01:06.56 | SplasPood | BSDGuy: works for me |
| 01:07.01 | BSDGuy | strange |
| 01:07.37 | BSDGuy | I appear to be blocked from thier dns |
| 01:08.45 | lecram | tholo: just fill out the right forms and you should be able to get space |
| 01:08.49 | SplasPood | tholo: yea... I don't actually own this block... I'm just announcing it for someone and taking 2 /27s from it... I've tried to buy it off him, but he wont sell |
| 01:09.04 | SplasPood | iec: not a global /24 tho |
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| 01:12.45 | illc0mmm | Anyone know anything about these little guys? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3061035594&category=41374 |
| 01:13.59 | Mike | people say they listen my voice very far away with rxgain and txgain at 0.0 |
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| 01:15.47 | lecram | Mike> people say they listen my voice very far away with rxgain and txgain at |
| 01:16.00 | lecram | Mike: Then don't set it to 0.0 |
| 01:16.16 | Mike | lecram: if i put it higher i hear echo |
| 01:16.18 | Mike | lots of echo |
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| 01:18.45 | lecram | did you try a different phone? |
| 01:22.44 | illc0mmm | lecram: I'm having echo issues too. But I ran a new line from the demark back to the astrisk box, and used a harris test set as the station and still had echo. |
| 01:22.55 | illc0mmm | echo training helps, but for the first second or two echo is still there. |
| 01:23.28 | Mike | illc0mmm: your lucky |
| 01:23.35 | illc0mmm | yeah? |
| 01:24.00 | Mike | illc0mmm: with 0.0 i have echo for 1 sec if i put it at 5.0 the echo will go but i will listen like echo once in a while |
| 01:24.13 | illc0mmm | hmm... |
| 01:24.17 | Mike | i dont know some calls its less echo |
| 01:24.20 | Mike | some others its alot more |
| 01:24.26 | illc0mmm | if I call out, I get no echo |
| 01:24.32 | illc0mmm | if I get a call in is the only time I get echo |
| 01:25.18 | Mike | maybe if i take it away from the ADSL |
| 01:25.22 | Mike | the echo will goo |
| 01:25.27 | illc0mmm | goo? |
| 01:25.30 | Mike | go |
| 01:25.31 | illc0mmm | hehe |
| 01:25.38 | illc0mmm | could be |
| 01:25.39 | Mike | you think that might help? |
| 01:25.40 | illc0mmm | analog stuck |
| 01:25.45 | Mike | let me try |
| 01:25.50 | illc0mmm | Well |
| 01:25.58 | illc0mmm | yeah, try it. I did see some mention of that |
| 01:26.06 | illc0mmm | you using a line filter? |
| 01:28.22 | Mike | yes |
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| 01:33.11 | Powerkill | hi |
| 01:33.48 | Powerkill | can asterisk be patch to use it like ser (sip express router) ???? |
| 01:34.11 | Powerkill | cause editing the sip.conf for every new user is very boring :( |
| 01:35.46 | illc0mmm | haha, AOL 9.0 Optimized commercial is pretty funny |
| 01:36.09 | illc0mmm | with all the CDs in the mail, good thing they're cracking on themselves |
| 01:37.38 | Powerkill | :) |
| 01:37.48 | illc0mmm | Alright |
| 01:38.12 | illc0mmm | so POTS -> * -> SIP Softphone = echo |
| 01:39.13 | heller | unless you turn on echo cancellation. |
| 01:40.34 | Jackhamr | hi...quick voicemail question...do I have to set a 'default |
| 01:40.38 | Jackhamr | 'timezone |
| 01:40.54 | Jackhamr | because the timezones I set in voicemail.conf don't change the time |
| 01:41.20 | Corydon76 | Jackhamr: what do you mean? |
| 01:41.30 | Jackhamr | Cory: pacific=US/Pacific|'vm-received' 'digits/at' IMp |
| 01:41.30 | Jackhamr | eastern=US/Eastern|'vm-received' 'digits/at' IMp |
| 01:41.33 | Corydon76 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.37 | Jackhamr | have the same time |
| 01:42.26 | Corydon76 | Jackhamr: they shouldn't |
| 01:42.50 | Corydon76 | Not unless someone has been screwing with the zones in /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| 01:43.32 | Corydon76 | What times are you getting? Eastern, Pacific, or GMT? |
| 01:43.36 | Jackhamr | my voicemail entry for the user is 5002 => 1222,anonymouse,anonymous@crap.com,tz=eastern |
| 01:43.46 | Corydon76 | Ah |
| 01:43.53 | Corydon76 | You're missing a , |
| 01:44.06 | Jackhamr | oh? where at? :) |
| 01:44.16 | Corydon76 | 5002 => 1222,My Name,Email,Pager,Options |
| 01:44.31 | Corydon76 | So double that last comma |
| 01:44.34 | illc0mmm | heller: i have to do that in the sip.conf? |
| 01:44.35 | Jackhamr | if the user doesn't have a pager I could just do ,, |
| 01:44.41 | Corydon76 | yes |
| 01:44.56 | Jackhamr | That's what i get for RTFM ;) |
| 01:45.06 | Powerkill | someone use mgcp here ? |
| 01:45.42 | Jackhamr | I'm using skinny |
| 01:45.46 | Jackhamr | works ok |
| 01:46.55 | Powerkill | no i need someone using mgcp |
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| 01:47.10 | Powerkill | i don't know how it's authenticating |
| 01:47.46 | Jackhamr | I don't think there is an authentication mechanism in mgcp |
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| 01:48.31 | Corydon76 | Jackhamr: do the timezones work now? |
| 01:48.49 | Jackhamr | Cory: testing...I should hear something in a second. |
| 01:51.31 | Mike | well if i take the filter off the line |
| 01:51.39 | Mike | the call will hangup or something |
| 01:51.51 | Mike | if i put it in another place where theres only the filter and no adsl |
| 01:51.54 | Mike | seems no echo coming |
| 01:53.25 | illc0mmm | Mike, so two filters kills the echo? |
| 01:53.57 | Jackhamr | Cory: it works! :) yay |
| 01:53.57 | illc0mmm | maybe one of the filters is bad? |
| 01:54.11 | Mike | well the dsl and the phone on the same filter |
| 01:54.13 | Mike | theres echo |
| 01:54.21 | illc0mmm | well, DSL shouldn't be on a filter |
| 01:54.27 | illc0mmm | the filter should be on the phone only |
| 01:54.28 | Mike | putting the phone on a filter that theres no adsl wont do echo |
| 01:54.44 | illc0mmm | oksy |
| 01:54.56 | illc0mmm | okay, so whatever you did you don't have echo any more. hehe |
| 01:55.00 | Mike | and im doing .5 now |
| 01:55.00 | Mike | and no echo |
| 01:55.00 | Mike | :P |
| 01:55.03 | illc0mmm | told you |
| 01:55.06 | Mike | before .5 was death |
| 01:55.06 | illc0mmm | :) |
| 01:55.17 | Mike | ill try putting it at 1.5 |
| 01:55.21 | illc0mmm | I just have to find my echo now |
| 01:57.27 | Mike | well another friend with a cordless phonecall me |
| 01:57.35 | Mike | but i can hear VERY VERY VERY little echo with him |
| 01:57.46 | Mike | and he says volume is low but not that low |
| 01:57.56 | Mike | so maybe the cordless phone could be making this stuff |
| 01:58.42 | Mike | .5 should be ok tho |
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| 02:04.46 | ciego34 | in sip.conf |
| 02:04.46 | ciego34 | port = 5060 |
| 02:04.46 | ciego34 | bindaddr = 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:04.46 | ciego34 | disallow = all |
| 02:04.46 | ciego34 | allow = ulaw |
| 02:04.48 | ciego34 | allow = alaw |
| 02:04.50 | ciego34 | allow = gsm |
| 02:04.52 | ciego34 | context = incoming |
| 02:04.54 | ciego34 | tos = reliability |
| 02:04.56 | ciego34 | dtmfmode = rfc2833 |
| 02:04.58 | ciego34 | inside_net = 192.168.0.0 |
| 02:05.00 | ciego34 | inside_mask = 255.255.255.192 |
| 02:05.02 | ciego34 | outside_addr = dimasin.no-ip.com |
| 02:05.04 | ciego34 | is ok??? |
| 02:06.13 | ciego34 | ????????? |
| 02:07.14 | rollyson | ugh.... still haven't gotten out of the damn user mode. |
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| 02:11.04 | rollyson | Anybody know where in the SNOM 200's menu's I can find the option to go back into Administrator Mode? |
| 02:11.25 | atacomm | anyone know how it is the Snom phones retreive settings from the proxy server? (Snom 4S)? I want to find a way to force some settings upon users of my server, like I can do with Cisco |
| 02:11.48 | atacomm | rolly: who did you buy from? |
| 02:12.29 | atacomm | 2.02r snom 200 |
| 02:12.29 | atacomm | GUI |
| 02:12.29 | atacomm | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.40 | atacomm | dont know where, but its in there |
| 02:13.11 | rollyson | atacomm: direct from their US distributor I think. |
| 02:13.30 | atacomm | ABP? |
| 02:13.34 | rollyson | yeah |
| 02:13.45 | rollyson | I don't handle purchasing though. |
| 02:14.52 | atacomm | ah |
| 02:15.09 | ciego34 | any one can helpme * behin NAT problems |
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| 02:15.42 | rollyson | I think we just ordered 10 more snom200's from ABP though. |
| 02:16.12 | atacomm | lol, should have bought through me, lol, ABP isnt supposed to sell direct....i'm going to bitch slap them |
| 02:16.15 | atacomm | http://www.snom.com/faq/FAQ-03-08-29-pp.pdf |
| 02:16.26 | atacomm | interesting......Snom has a how-to for asterisk configuration |
| 02:18.05 | rollyson | atacomm: I think $boss is looking for phones for home VoIP customers. |
| 02:18.17 | atacomm | ah, as a reseller? |
| 02:18.32 | rollyson | eventually, yeah.\ |
| 02:19.20 | atacomm | lol, hmm, well for home customers....GS might be better |
| 02:19.42 | rollyson | yeah. looking at those too. |
| 02:19.50 | illc0mmm | How are the GS phones? |
| 02:19.59 | atacomm | dont know, never touched one |
| 02:20.01 | illc0mmm | ah |
| 02:20.02 | rollyson | our office is being turned into our testing facility. |
| 02:20.10 | atacomm | lol, same as ours :) |
| 02:20.14 | illc0mmm | haha, same here |
| 02:20.24 | illc0mmm | I know I have to get this echo stuff fixed. |
| 02:20.27 | rollyson | illcomm: ok, but make damn sure that the firmware is at least 1.0.3.81 |
| 02:20.31 | atacomm | funny, i had 2 orders today...a saturday on a holiday weekend |
| 02:20.40 | illc0mmm | yeah? |
| 02:20.41 | rollyson | or your lan will br fscked |
| 02:20.54 | rollyson | the GS phones had a little ARP problem. |
| 02:20.55 | illc0mmm | We'll probably use Cisco phones anyway |
| 02:21.03 | atacomm | 1.0.3.81? wow....they use .NET style versioning.....never could figure out why you need such a long version string |
| 02:21.04 | illc0mmm | because they look cool |
| 02:23.09 | rollyson | anyway, the early GS firmware revisions are quite effective at killing a LAN. |
| 02:23.15 | illc0mmm | haha |
| 02:23.19 | rollyson | we have bridged DSL to the office. |
| 02:23.19 | illc0mmm | like old Bay switches |
| 02:23.31 | rollyson | and it actually fscked the whole DSLAM |
| 02:23.38 | illc0mmm | wow |
| 02:23.41 | rollyson | and all the customers on it. |
| 02:23.49 | atacomm | lol |
| 02:23.53 | illc0mmm | well, another good reason to seperate your VOIP and your LAN |
| 02:24.07 | illc0mmm | even though that's counter to the convience |
| 02:24.25 | rollyson | we had to send our telecom engineer down to the central office to flush the arp cache on the DSLAM |
| 02:24.30 | *** join/#asterisk tim27 (tim@229-29.dr.cgocable.ca) |
| 02:24.32 | illc0mmm | wow! |
| 02:24.35 | illc0mmm | that blows |
| 02:24.38 | illc0mmm | now, OOB ? |
| 02:24.39 | rollyson | 5 times that happened before we figured it out. |
| 02:24.41 | illc0mmm | now = no |
| 02:24.49 | rollyson | no, its a mile down the road. |
| 02:25.03 | illc0mmm | ah, man I had stuff across the street with OOB. :) |
| 02:25.57 | rollyson | we only do OOB when the stuff is more than 30 minutes away. |
| 02:26.01 | illc0mmm | ah |
| 02:26.06 | rollyson | its a consumer ISP. |
| 02:26.18 | illc0mmm | we do it for everything we can, because if I'm at home. it's over an hour. :) |
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| 02:26.42 | illc0mmm | usually though, we use a console server to aggregate them all together. |
| 02:26.46 | rollyson | yeah. well, the owner is 10 minutes from the CO in question too. |
| 02:26.54 | illc0mmm | hehe |
| 02:27.28 | rollyson | and his swipebadge works too ... |
| 02:27.39 | rollyson | I haven't been in the CO yet. |
| 02:27.57 | rollyson | I've seen what we have in our datacenter across the street from the CO though. |
| 02:28.08 | rollyson | ;) |
| 02:29.02 | quid24 | anybody know what file in the Asterisk source is responsible for Playtones and generation of those tones? |
| 02:29.51 | illc0mmm | okay. I can't seem to get rid of this damn echo |
| 02:30.34 | illc0mmm | Echo training takes care of it about 5 seconds afterwards. |
| 02:31.17 | Mike | illc0mmm: found your problem? |
| 02:33.58 | tim27 | illcOmmm: you have echo with a IP phone trought a FXO ??? |
| 02:34.47 | illc0mmm | yeah |
| 02:34.57 | illc0mmm | tim: yeah... well softphone |
| 02:35.18 | tim27 | i will receive 3 x101p ... next week |
| 02:35.27 | tim27 | hope i will not get echo :( |
| 02:35.39 | tim27 | did you played with the tx gain ??? |
| 02:35.47 | tclark | hmmm what do we have here ...:) Nov 25 18:36:18 VERBOSE[8192]: Asterisk TSPI interface listening on port 5039 |
| 02:35.47 | illc0mmm | No, which way should I move it? |
| 02:36.04 | illc0mmm | + or - ? |
| 02:36.16 | tim27 | i'm a newbie... but i saw on mailing list that some people |
| 02:36.18 | illc0mmm | And I'm changing this in zapata.conf, right? |
| 02:36.19 | illc0mmm | :) |
| 02:36.21 | tim27 | let me find something... |
| 02:36.26 | tim27 | just a min ... |
| 02:36.30 | illc0mmm | yeah, I've looked so much. hehe |
| 02:37.51 | illc0mmm | also, something else is strange. FXO isn't detecting hangups |
| 02:38.21 | illc0mmm | just on cell phone stuff, must be a provider issue. |
| 02:38.36 | illc0mmm | FXO sux anyway. :) want digital |
| 02:40.07 | Mike | tim27: lol |
| 02:40.09 | tim27 | i read something about hang up to... |
| 02:40.19 | Mike | tim27: had you played before with this hardware? |
| 02:40.28 | tim27 | no |
| 02:40.36 | Mike | even whats the difference between x100p and x101p |
| 02:40.37 | Mike | ? |
| 02:40.47 | tim27 | not mush i think |
| 02:40.50 | tim27 | x100p is a modem |
| 02:40.55 | tim27 | if i'm right... |
| 02:41.05 | bkw_ | to be honest they are both modems |
| 02:41.15 | Mike | diguim sells 101p? |
| 02:41.23 | tim27 | yeah both modem |
| 02:41.24 | rollyson | modems with better timing ;) |
| 02:41.31 | tim27 | bkw_ |
| 02:41.37 | bkw_ | yes? |
| 02:41.44 | tim27 | i think i will get echo with your card :) |
| 02:41.53 | tim27 | seem everybody get it... |
| 02:42.00 | bkw_ | I didn't |
| 02:42.11 | bkw_ | I only got like 5 seconds till the echo can kicks in |
| 02:42.25 | tim27 | lol |
| 02:42.31 | bkw_ | echotraining=yes is fixed.. then it will kick ass |
| 02:42.39 | quid24 | Is there any way for Playtones to do modulation between two frequencies? |
| 02:42.39 | bkw_ | right now it you can have it pretrain the echo can |
| 02:42.44 | bkw_ | but it fucks up dtfm |
| 02:42.49 | bkw_ | so I can't use it |
| 02:42.58 | tim27 | whta is echotraining ??? |
| 02:43.01 | Mike | bkw_: my dtfm wanst fucked |
| 02:43.22 | tim27 | bri get echo to ??? |
| 02:43.26 | mack_jpn | is X101P half duplex? |
| 02:43.27 | bkw_ | no its digital |
| 02:43.32 | bkw_ | mack_jpn no |
| 02:43.45 | tim27 | bri card are expensive ??? |
| 02:43.58 | bkw_ | yes and the standards vary so much you really can't be sure what you get |
| 02:44.03 | tim27 | hey bkw , i have 3 x101p to sell... |
| 02:44.03 | bkw_ | or what your telco will send you |
| 02:44.05 | tim27 | lol |
| 02:44.07 | bkw_ | haha |
| 02:44.13 | bkw_ | tim27 funny man |
| 02:44.35 | Mike | where are you guys getting the x101p? |
| 02:44.52 | tim27 | bkw_ : yes where did you taked thoses card ??? |
| 02:45.04 | bkw_ | some guy from the mailing list |
| 02:45.12 | quid24 | Is there any cards like the X100/X101 that have more than one line in onboard? |
| 02:45.24 | tim27 | quid24: you will have to wait |
| 02:45.28 | tim27 | that tdm400p |
| 02:45.30 | tim27 | support fxo |
| 02:45.31 | tim27 | port |
| 02:45.40 | Mike | bkw_: 101p is like the ami-96? |
| 02:45.47 | tim27 | this way you will be able to get 4 fxo port |
| 02:45.48 | bkw_ | ami-96? |
| 02:45.49 | atacomm | kram said they are still having troubles with it :( |
| 02:45.49 | tim27 | if i'M right |
| 02:46.02 | Mike | bkw_: what ever is called that intel modem |
| 02:46.18 | tim27 | i emailed digium... and they told me they can speak about future product... |
| 02:46.19 | tim27 | crasy |
| 02:46.22 | bkw_ | Mike no the PCI ID's are diffrent |
| 02:46.43 | tim27 | bkw_ what the diff between x100p and x101p |
| 02:46.44 | Mike | oh ok |
| 02:47.51 | bkw_ | tim27 not totally sure |
| 02:48.02 | tim27 | Mike: are you a newbie, a user, or a veteran of asterisk ??? |
| 02:48.13 | Mike | tim27: totaly a newbie |
| 02:48.23 | Mike | tim27: totally |
| 02:48.35 | ciego34 | x101p ??? |
| 02:48.53 | ciego34 | nothing at digium |
| 02:49.10 | blitzrage | ciego34: just look for x100p |
| 02:49.12 | blitzrage | same thing |
| 02:49.36 | bkw_ | look at the src of wcfxo if you wanna know about the analog X10XP boards |
| 02:49.38 | tim27 | me too :) |
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| 02:50.08 | tim27 | i think that bkw_ is a veteran |
| 02:50.10 | bkw_ | go find that modem locally |
| 02:50.13 | bkw_ | doh |
| 02:50.20 | ciego34 | one cuestion, i have a cell fixed terminal, it must be connected to fxo or fxs port?? |
| 02:50.54 | tim27 | fxs is for extension |
| 02:50.59 | tim27 | fxo is for line |
| 02:51.04 | tim27 | right ??? |
| 02:51.05 | ciego34 | ok |
| 02:51.20 | tim27 | i'm not sure ciego... i just read this |
| 02:51.31 | tim27 | fxo is for your analog phone line |
| 02:51.37 | blitzrage | tim27: yes |
| 02:51.38 | tim27 | fxs is to connect analog phone |
| 02:51.39 | tim27 | :) |
| 02:51.45 | tim27 | that what i understand... |
| 02:51.49 | blitzrage | fuck I need food... |
| 02:51.58 | blitzrage | err.. |
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| 02:52.07 | ciego34 | ok |
| 02:52.08 | tim27 | what you will eat |
| 02:52.21 | blitzrage | ugh oh... hax0r in da houz! |
| 02:52.22 | blitzrage | :) |
| 02:52.26 | blitzrage | tim27: subway maybe :) |
| 02:52.28 | tim27 | bkw_ : ciego got echo too... |
| 02:52.31 | haxr01 | asterisk server crashing can anyone give me some pointers? |
| 02:52.45 | tim27 | sub sub subyway !!! |
| 02:52.46 | tim27 | lol |
| 02:52.55 | bkw_ | ciego34 has something fucked up then |
| 02:53.05 | tim27 | it' 21h50 |
| 02:53.05 | ciego34 | but for connect my cell fixed terminal to * |
| 02:53.05 | ciego34 | need fxo or fxs |
| 02:53.16 | bkw_ | depends |
| 02:53.16 | tim27 | what is a cell fixed terminal ??? |
| 02:54.55 | ciego34 | ??? |
| 02:54.55 | ciego34 | a cell with rj11 port for connect analog phone |
| 02:55.17 | tim27 | bkw_ : what happend if you transfert a call to a mobile phone... , if the phone compagny answer... with a msg like the customer you are trying to reach is not available at the moment, asterisk will handle the call as answered ... ???, it is possible to put a confirmation... like when you answer the mobile you have to press #3 to confirm that you taked the call ... |
| 02:55.47 | tim27 | cell = cellular mobile phone ??? |
| 02:56.08 | bkw_ | hrm |
| 02:56.10 | bkw_ | not sure |
| 02:56.18 | bkw_ | tim27 I use nufone to do that since I have only one line |
| 02:56.18 | ciego34 | yes |
| 02:56.35 | tim27 | nufone ??? |
| 02:56.59 | tim27 | oh the voip provider |
| 02:57.21 | tim27 | they rent inbound and outgoing termination... |
| 02:58.51 | ciego34 | i talking about it http://www.ericsson.com/products/main/F250m_hpprod.shtml fixed cellular termial |
| 02:59.15 | illc0mmm | ciego34: I was thinking of using something like that too... |
| 02:59.57 | ciego34 | this is gsm |
| 02:59.57 | ciego34 | i´m at europe |
| 03:00.25 | tim27 | we have gsm here to |
| 03:00.29 | ciego34 | but is a good solution for access to cellular network |
| 03:00.54 | illc0mmm | ciego34: is that going to be your only access to PSTN or as a backup? |
| 03:01.15 | ciego34 | but need to know if you must connect to fxo or fxs port |
| 03:01.46 | illc0mmm | you would connect to fxo |
| 03:02.08 | illc0mmm | it acts like PSTN to the terminal device |
| 03:02.38 | ciego34 | to access PSTN (cellular network) |
| 03:02.38 | ciego34 | hmmm |
| 03:02.38 | ciego34 | must use x100p |
| 03:02.40 | tclark | see this for cdma http://www.telular.com/products/product_index.asp?tech=CDMA same idea |
| 03:02.54 | bkw_ | some people are silly |
| 03:03.00 | bkw_ | our customers are silly as hell too |
| 03:03.03 | haxr01 | is anyone using Fedora? |
| 03:03.05 | ciego34 | but have a lot of echo problem |
| 03:03.48 | daork | haxr01: IMO theres not much point until FC2 is available |
| 03:04.59 | haxr01 | well I would tend to probably agree but I was just wondering, I'm using RH9 and my server is now crashing |
| 03:05.36 | tclark | haxr01: do you have the env var set to fotce 2.4 thread model ?? |
| 03:06.06 | haxr01 | i'm not sure, how would I do that? |
| 03:06.16 | ciego34 | tclark> yes, you must access cellular network without pstn to cell cost |
| 03:06.50 | tclark | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.10 | tclark | in start up script for *, |
| 03:07.18 | haxr01 | I've never had problems until today, I updated my glibc and glibc-devel packages along with a few others, now I can start the server and it runs until it gets an incoming call, when the incoming call hangsup it crashes |
| 03:08.05 | tclark | well try it might try export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 that as well |
| 03:09.20 | haxr01 | what exactly does that do? |
| 03:09.52 | ww | it breaks ps -ax |
| 03:09.54 | ww | ;) |
| 03:12.56 | ciego34 | hi ww |
| 03:12.56 | ciego34 | you remeber solve my problems |
| 03:13.05 | ww | :) como esta? |
| 03:13.08 | ciego34 | with sip |
| 03:13.37 | ciego34 | yo bien |
| 03:13.37 | ciego34 | el sip mal |
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| 03:13.39 | ciego34 | puedo llamar a su sip? |
| 03:14.28 | ww | da me un poco de tiempo -- trabajo ahora |
| 03:15.02 | ciego34 | si |
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| 03:24.35 | tim27 | tclark: you there ??? |
| 03:25.16 | tim27 | when the TDM400P will get ... fxo port... , echo will be less or same thing ??? |
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| 03:27.03 | ciego34 | tdm40 is 4 fxs |
| 03:27.20 | tim27 | yes |
| 03:27.29 | tim27 | be it will be possible to put fxo |
| 03:27.32 | tim27 | on this card too |
| 03:27.33 | tim27 | i think |
| 03:27.36 | tim27 | not sure when |
| 03:27.48 | tim27 | and the channel seem to be quiet |
| 03:27.51 | tim27 | about that |
| 03:28.38 | tim27 | maybe there are all gone to party |
| 03:29.23 | ciego34 | america dinner time |
| 03:29.54 | ciego34 | tdm40 have small modules for each line |
| 03:30.01 | Mike | tim27: you should also do that |
| 03:30.22 | ciego34 | don´t know about fxo |
| 03:30.48 | tim27 | no dinner time here |
| 03:30.53 | tim27 | it' s 22h30 |
| 03:30.53 | daork | hmm, i'm going to get an FXO card for my phone line.. I also have ADSL on the same line.. anyone know of a * friendly way to get ADSL and an FXO on the same port? |
| 03:31.00 | ciego34 | i buy one, come next tusday |
| 03:31.23 | daork | i also have a cisco 827, not the -4v version though, so no FXO there AFAIK. |
| 03:31.25 | ciego34 | you need adsl modem |
| 03:31.41 | ciego34 | for adsl connection |
| 03:31.50 | ciego34 | and fxo for analog line |
| 03:31.52 | daork | ciego34: yeah, but i'll need an FXO and an ADSL modem, im wanting both on the same port |
| 03:31.55 | tim27 | MIke are you a party guy |
| 03:32.20 | Mike | tim27: not in this time of the year |
| 03:32.32 | Mike | tim27: i have to get 250 plus shipping for a wisip |
| 03:32.42 | Mike | tim27: im a student so i dont have 250 dlls now |
| 03:32.56 | Mike | tim27: i have about 165 now:P |
| 03:33.05 | ciego34 | mike where are you? |
| 03:33.09 | Mike | im i go party that will lower my budget |
| 03:33.14 | Mike | ciego34: mexico |
| 03:33.40 | tim27 | Mike here we got snow |
| 03:33.41 | tim27 | lol |
| 03:33.51 | tim27 | MEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICO |
| 03:33.51 | Mike | tim27: cool |
| 03:34.04 | tim27 | sunny today ??? |
| 03:34.08 | ciego34 | not snow yet here, but a big coold |
| 03:34.10 | Mike | tim27: we havent get snow since 1997 |
| 03:34.24 | Mike | not really its like 6 C |
| 03:34.33 | Mike | im in north mexico |
| 03:34.37 | Mike | monterrey mexico |
| 03:34.42 | Mike | 200kms away from usa boarder |
| 03:34.51 | ciego34 | 7 C at Madrid |
| 03:35.04 | Mike | near laredo texas and mcallen texas |
| 03:36.07 | tim27 | just 6C today ??? |
| 03:36.23 | tim27 | we got around 0C |
| 03:37.08 | ciego34 | next week we get 0 C |
| 03:37.16 | ciego34 | will go to sky |
| 03:37.48 | ciego34 | sky port don´t open yet |
| 03:38.29 | tim27 | ciego you got snow in spain ??? |
| 03:38.31 | ww | don't you love it when you upgrade the kernel remotely and the machine is 6000km away and it doesn't come back up? |
| 03:38.35 | ww | -3C here |
| 03:38.57 | tim27 | the kernel is frozed |
| 03:39.03 | tim27 | that why it dont work |
| 03:39.04 | tim27 | lol |
| 03:39.07 | ciego34 | waooo freezed |
| 03:39.08 | ww | grrr |
| 03:39.09 | klicTel | is anyone experiencing performance issues with redhat 9.0 and IAX based softphones? |
| 03:40.38 | ciego34 | ww> realy bad |
| 03:41.23 | ww | que? |
| 03:41.55 | ciego34 | que es muy malo que no despierte el pc |
| 03:42.34 | ww | yes... very... but in the mean time... what's the problem with sip? |
| 03:42.37 | ciego34 | necesita un braso de 6000km para tocar el reset :( |
| 03:43.26 | ciego34 | when call sip phone ppl don´t ear me |
| 03:43.41 | ciego34 | or i don´t ear ppñ |
| 03:43.41 | ciego34 | ppl |
| 03:44.04 | ww | hmmm... sounds like nat issue... but worked for us the other day |
| 03:44.25 | ciego34 | yes |
| 03:44.41 | ww | query: sip.conf -- for the cisco. canreinvite=no ? or yes? |
| 03:44.52 | ciego34 | my brain is goin kazy |
| 03:44.52 | ciego34 | krazy |
| 03:45.07 | ciego34 | don´t touch any thing |
| 03:45.22 | ww | i know, but i don't remember |
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| 03:45.43 | ww | if canreinvite=yes, cisco will try to talk directly -- and that will break nat |
| 03:45.49 | ww | should be canreinvite=no |
| 03:46.09 | ciego34 | none |
| 03:46.37 | ww | pone canreinvite=no en sip.conf para el cisco.... |
| 03:46.50 | ciego34 | no canreinvite at my sip |
| 03:46.50 | ciego34 | will add now |
| 03:48.05 | ciego34 | in [general] ?? |
| 03:48.18 | ww | no, [1001] |
| 03:48.23 | ciego34 | ok |
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| 03:51.33 | bkw_ | anyone in here test cisco 7912 or 7905's with SIP Firmware? |
| 03:51.40 | andu | does anyone know if FWD is having problems ? |
| 03:52.32 | ww | seems to work for me... |
| 03:52.40 | ciego34 | ww > you are a master men, was asking all day and no one can tell me "canreinvite=no" |
| 03:53.04 | ciego34 | all work ok now.... |
| 03:53.05 | andu | ww thanks I'm trying their 613 echo test and it dies the moment I connect |
| 03:53.08 | ww | :) de rien mon ami |
| 03:53.16 | ww | ... brb |
| 03:53.30 | ciego34 | thanks, thanks, millon thanks |
| 03:53.40 | klicTel | can someone tell me how can I do a conference in *? If I receive a call and want to conference a third person... |
| 03:54.21 | ciego34 | ww >when you come madrid call, we´ll make a big party |
| 03:56.23 | ciego34 | one more question, if i have 3 extension calling to a 3 sip phones at same time, need 3 fwd account registered ??? |
| 03:57.20 | andu | rollyson, use the web interface under settings/base |
| 03:57.41 | andu | rollyson it will ask for the admin password |
| 03:59.57 | rollyson | ok, I put that password in, and nothing happens. |
| 04:02.57 | rollyson | damnit, it didn't take the pw change earlier, thats why |
| 04:03.09 | rollyson | it somehow went back to the default password |
| 04:03.49 | andu | rollyson, yes try 0000 |
| 04:04.07 | rollyson | I did, that got me in. |
| 04:04.46 | andu | rollyson, I had problems setting on the passwd on the 105 but havent tried it on 200 yet |
| 04:04.47 | tim27 | x100p and tdm400p fit in the same kind of pci slot ??? |
| 04:05.45 | rollyson | andu: I'd only tried it before on the 100 |
| 04:06.00 | rollyson | and the admin mode can be entered from the phone itself on the 100 |
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| 04:12.18 | rollyson | argh |
| 04:12.19 | rollyson | NOTICE[6151]: File chan_sip.c, Line 5322 (handle_request): Unknown SIP command 'PUBLISH' from '209.4.51.232' |
| 04:12.22 | ciego34 | tdm4 card only work in 3.3V pci |
| 04:15.20 | coppice_ | te410 only works with 3.3V tdm4 works with 5V |
| 04:15.53 | ciego34 | * support g729r8 (cisco notation) codec ??? |
| 04:18.03 | ciego34 | ???? |
| 04:18.12 | izo | ciego34 : if you buy one |
| 04:18.15 | izo | 10$ for channel |
| 04:18.28 | tclark | klicTel: what channels |
| 04:19.04 | ciego34 | i see g729 at yahoo online store |
| 04:19.19 | tclark | coppice_: what mother boards have you got in production with te410 ?? |
| 04:19.20 | izo | ciego: aaa sory its g729a but works with cisco g729r8 when set for medium codex compelxity |
| 04:19.23 | ciego34 | is for download and easy to install?? |
| 04:19.40 | izo | they will send you regitation key |
| 04:20.29 | ciego34 | where can read about setup g729 on * ??? |
| 04:21.26 | coppice_ | tclark: What I use is not what you really want. I use a Tyan 2665, which is a workstation board. I am using a TE410 for development, not deployment. However, it has been worked hard without trouble. |
| 04:22.02 | izo | ciego34: search around ftp.asterisk.org for g729 binary and there is a readme file |
| 04:22.18 | coppice_ | I hear people asking what works with a TE410, but has anyone found a problem yet? I don't know why this keeps coming up. If the PCI socket will take the card, it seems to work OK. |
| 04:23.57 | tclark | coppice_: i hear street noice about hung channels, box that wont boot wont take 2 te410's etc |
| 04:24.08 | tclark | nice noise |
| 04:25.38 | coppice_ | tclark: well I only use one TE410, but I have an E400P, a TDM400P and an X100P in the same box. I have had just two occations when the box locks up hard while accessing the TDM400. I have had no trouble with the TE410P |
| 04:26.15 | wasim | coppice_: blue TDM400P or greem? |
| 04:26.23 | wasim | morning btw |
| 04:26.42 | tclark | yea I wqs just saying why keep hearing ppl quizing the MB for the TE410's |
| 04:27.00 | coppice_ | wasim: blue, with little green daughterboards :-) You are up early for a Sunday. Its still morning there! |
| 04:27.18 | wasim | yeah, the blue ones are much nicer |
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| 04:27.32 | bkw_ | blah timmah |
| 04:27.35 | wasim | nah, some inner clock wakes me up a 9:00am on the dot always |
| 04:27.53 | coppice_ | wasim: so why have I still had lockups? :-) |
| 04:28.46 | usam_ | hm.. |
| 04:28.58 | klicTel | tclark: sorry for the delay. an IAX softphone that receives an incoming call on a zap channel, and needs to conference a third party through another zap |
| 04:28.58 | usam_ | i have problem with modprobing 2 x100p .. |
| 04:29.05 | usam_ | the system just freeze :( |
| 04:29.20 | tclark | watsim: Nov 29 20:36:18 VERBOSE[8192]: Asterisk TSPI interface listening on port 5039, i am getting cozy with the evil one :) |
| 04:29.34 | daork | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.57 | wasim | daork: it also happens with GSM, the body can tell when a call is coming |
| 04:30.15 | daork | haha |
| 04:30.17 | coppice_ | daork: My body hates the noise of alarm clocks, so it makes me sleep through them to avoid the annoyance. :-) |
| 04:30.20 | wasim | daork: i can tell about 80% of the itme the phone is about to ring, its a strong feeling |
| 04:31.00 | tclark | klick: ok you can flash the line dial, then flash your all together, or # transfer to meet me 1 at a time |
| 04:31.05 | daork | wasim: i think you may be right.. |
| 04:31.08 | daork | hmm, crazy |
| 04:31.56 | klicTel | tclark: would that allow me to release the line without disconnecting the other two parties? |
| 04:32.38 | rollyson | my speakers go nuts around my GSM phone prior to a ring |
| 04:33.09 | usam_ | any1 running >= 2 x100p? |
| 04:33.16 | daork | rollyson: yeah, they'll do that. |
| 04:33.24 | tclark | ye |
| 04:33.34 | coppice_ | rollyson: I was just thinking the same. The GSM phone probably makes wasim's brain go nuts (more nuts :-\ ) |
| 04:33.36 | tclark | using flash |
| 04:33.53 | wasim | no, no, it scramble them up to make more sense |
| 04:34.10 | wasim | for a temporary short duration |
| 04:34.18 | wasim | then back to oblivion |
| 04:34.19 | klicTel | tclark: thanks |
| 04:34.27 | wasim | usam_: yep, lots of X100P in one box |
| 04:35.02 | wasim | usam_: 4 is a regular feature |
| 04:35.27 | usam_ | wasim: hm.. i haev problem modprbing them .. ideas? |
| 04:35.46 | wasim | usam_: not without specifics |
| 04:35.53 | wasim | usam_: what problem |
| 04:36.10 | wasim | whee !!! System uptime: 11 weeks, 7 hours, 21 minutes, 21 seconds |
| 04:36.34 | usam_ | wasim: well .. i installed 2 x100p then reconfig the zaptel.conf .. |
| 04:36.43 | wasim | my first * uptime above 11 wks :) |
| 04:36.45 | usam_ | modprobe zaptel |
| 04:36.45 | usam_ | works fine |
| 04:37.06 | wasim | then what's the problem? |
| 04:37.08 | atacomm | after i have * call a phone, if it goes thru, can I have it return to the extension context for post-processing? |
| 04:37.15 | usam_ | then, modprobe wcfxo FREEZED the whole system and i had to do a reboot |
| 04:37.39 | wasim | usam_: did you make clean |
| 04:37.54 | wasim | usam_: recent cvs? code? does it freeze on the same code with 1 x100p? |
| 04:38.01 | usam_ | wasim: i need to do that too? |
| 04:38.05 | wasim | usam_: did you switch slots? |
| 04:38.12 | usam_ | nope it doesnt freeze with 1 x100p |
| 04:38.22 | wasim | usam_: did you try each board individually |
| 04:38.23 | usam_ | but with 2 FREEzE ;-[ |
| 04:38.40 | usam_ | wasim: ahh.. havent tried that. |
| 04:38.42 | usam_ | i will do |
| 04:38.44 | usam_ | so |
| 04:39.12 | usam_ | switched slots, yes .. |
| 04:39.19 | usam_ | but i havent tried the new card |
| 04:39.29 | usam_ | i mean ONLY the new card alone |
| 04:39.55 | wasim | atacomm: show application Dial |
| 04:40.07 | wasim | atacomm: (g) |
| 04:41.26 | ciego34 | any supported fxo card with 3 channels?? |
| 04:41.49 | wasim | ciego34: voicetronix, but with 4 |
| 04:42.01 | atacomm | wasim: thanks....hmm ....i am looking for a way to record at the end of the call how long it was....i am looking at using System to execute a script that pushes a value into the database...... i am doing incoming, missed, and outgoing call logs that are web accessable |
| 04:42.21 | atacomm | wasim: does g work if either party has hung up? |
| 04:42.32 | wasim | atacomm: it should |
| 04:42.45 | blitzrage | evening everyone |
| 04:42.49 | daork | wasim: hmm, i'm not so sure.. it says the 'called party' |
| 04:42.49 | wasim | brb, fix some network cabling |
| 04:43.34 | daork | atacomm: i am making an app that calls Dial, and every x seconds updates CDR for the call in mysql.. |
| 04:44.49 | daork | hmm, i really should just modify the current CDR things.. |
| 04:45.29 | wasim | fixed! :p (bad port) |
| 04:51.36 | rollyson | there, snom 200 fully working. |
| 04:51.42 | rollyson | that wasn't too painful |
| 04:52.32 | atacomm | rolly: hopwd you fix? |
| 04:53.15 | rollyson | via the web interface... I thought it was ignoring my password input, turns out it somehow reverted to the default password |
| 04:53.27 | atacomm | lol |
| 04:54.01 | rollyson | I still never found an option on the phone itself to go into admin mode. |
| 04:54.13 | rollyson | the 100 has it right there in the onscreen menu. |
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| 04:55.59 | rollyson | *grumble* I get some strange calls around here. |
| 04:57.39 | rollyson | 3 minutes and I can close down the phones |
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| 05:02.00 | blitzrage | holy crap I'm tired |
| 05:02.04 | blitzrage | I should just go to bed now |
| 05:03.23 | Stealth_Man | wasim how is going ? |
| 05:03.34 | Stealth_Man | whne your iax phone will be ready ?? |
| 05:03.34 | wasim | 'tis going good |
| 05:03.39 | wasim | 'tis ready |
| 05:03.45 | Stealth_Man | ????????? |
| 05:03.50 | wasim | !!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:03.57 | wasim | cool, how many |
| 05:04.05 | wasim | we're only accepting 1000+ qty orders thiweekend |
| 05:04.22 | Stealth_Man | kidding ? |
| 05:04.24 | wasim | on monday we're back to accepting single units, but only on Mondays |
| 05:04.30 | Stealth_Man | heh |
| 05:04.37 | wasim | :) actually we're going into preproduction |
| 05:04.52 | wasim | so building 20-50 phones by christmas |
| 05:05.05 | wasim | for demoing |
| 05:05.14 | rollyson | mmm |
| 05:05.23 | Stealth_Man | did you made al ltestings already ? |
| 05:05.32 | wasim | the hw testing is done |
| 05:05.41 | Stealth_Man | Digium is going to have iax adapter this month too |
| 05:05.45 | rollyson | ok |
| 05:05.48 | rollyson | midnight |
| 05:05.50 | coppice_ | wasim: for demoing? not for prezzies? |
| 05:05.54 | wasim | from now on its all software |
| 05:06.07 | rollyson | I can close my radius console now ;) |
| 05:06.16 | wasim | coppice_: must be a colloquisn, whats a prezzie? |
| 05:06.32 | coppice_ | wasim: present |
| 05:06.55 | wasim | coppice_: okie, then whats demoing? |
| 05:07.03 | Stealth_Man | so from where are you shipping them ? |
| 05:07.08 | Stealth_Man | pk or china ? |
| 05:07.32 | wasim | Stealth_Man: not confirmed |
| 05:08.14 | Stealth_Man | wasim: how can i get for testing ? |
| 05:09.46 | blitzrage | wasim: what is the going price on single units when they are available? |
| 05:10.06 | wasim | kram, kram, he's our man, if no one can kill the telecoms, he can! |
| 05:10.13 | blitzrage | all hail kram |
| 05:10.33 | wasim | blitzrage: hopefully $100 or so, depends on a lot of things |
| 05:10.36 | Stealth_Man | hi kram |
| 05:10.40 | blitzrage | wasim: that's not too bad |
| 05:10.51 | blitzrage | wasim: do you have a picture of the phone? |
| 05:11.15 | wasim | blitzrage: the plastics you mean? |
| 05:11.19 | blitzrage | wasim: yah |
| 05:12.04 | wasim | no, too early |
| 05:12.28 | blitzrage | what is the cheapest way to get someone on sip with a hardware phone, either a sip phone or an adapter, I don't care. Whatever the cheapest peice of hardware is |
| 05:12.59 | wasim | blitzrage: wait for the iaxy, that's going to be the best bang for the buck |
| 05:13.12 | rollyson | now, putting a few ILECs out wouldn't hurt my feelings. |
| 05:13.26 | blitzrage | wasim: unfortunately I'm not looking for best bang for the buck, I just need lowest price |
| 05:13.44 | rollyson | right now, the grandstream phones and ATAs are probably the cheapest on the market. |
| 05:13.46 | blitzrage | wasim: this is not for business, simply for occasional home use by a couple of family members |
| 05:14.01 | wasim | blitzrage: that is the lowest priced, i'd hope, ask kram |
| 05:14.22 | blitzrage | oh, is the iaxy the new iax adapter? |
| 05:14.30 | blitzrage | kram: do you happen to have a price on this? |
| 05:14.38 | Stealth_Man | ~100USD |
| 05:14.40 | bkw_ | huh |
| 05:14.41 | bkw_ | what? |
| 05:14.44 | blitzrage | I don't know |
| 05:14.44 | bkw_ | where is kram? |
| 05:14.47 | Stealth_Man | iaxy thing |
| 05:14.51 | blitzrage | he's right there :) |
| 05:14.56 | wasim | iaxy is $100! ? |
| 05:15.02 | Stealth_Man | yes |
| 05:15.04 | bkw_ | iaxy where? |
| 05:15.11 | blitzrage | then it's not the cheapest :) |
| 05:15.21 | blitzrage | how much is an ata-186, same as a GS100 ? |
| 05:15.22 | Stealth_Man | it will be around 99$ list price as far as i know from Sales@ digium .. |
| 05:15.29 | Stealth_Man | blitz: no more expensive ... |
| 05:15.31 | bkw_ | iaxy how many port is the iaxy? |
| 05:15.33 | wasim | but it'll still be the your best option |
| 05:15.44 | wasim | bkw_: 1 |
| 05:15.45 | Stealth_Man | blitz: take GS phones ... |
| 05:16.45 | *** join/#asterisk xover (~link@thumper.tj.unn.no) |
| 05:17.30 | blitzrage | well, I guess I'm not going to get any work done tonight. What I need is a laptop with a wireless card so I don't have to sit here in the office |
| 05:17.44 | ciego34 | any iax uk service ???? |
| 05:17.49 | landrocker | who was it that was going to test the X100P in aus? |
| 05:17.53 | wasim | margarethea |
| 05:18.07 | Stealth_Man | bkw: are you around ? |
| 05:18.17 | landrocker | know if it worked? |
| 05:18.32 | wasim | global-telecom |
| 05:18.44 | blitzrage | does anyone offer pstn to voip gateways in canada ? |
| 05:19.02 | wasim | blitzrage: you should! |
| 05:19.07 | Stealth_Man | blitza: what do you mean ? |
| 05:19.09 | blitzrage | wasim: I know I should! :) |
| 05:19.25 | Stealth_Man | do you need access number in Canada or what ? |
| 05:19.29 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: I want people on the pstn to be able to call my * box via a landline / cell phone |
| 05:19.45 | blitzrage | but I don't want Bell to come and install a landline phoneline for me |
| 05:19.49 | Stealth_Man | why don;t you take x100p card and regular line ? |
| 05:19.58 | Stealth_Man | so you want DID over IP correct ? |
| 05:19.59 | ciego34 | i need a uk number for incoming calls |
| 05:20.06 | blitzrage | basically yes |
| 05:20.15 | ww | hmmm... |
| 05:20.20 | blitzrage | I move around too much, and don't want to be paying the $100 or whatever for phone line installation each time I move |
| 05:20.20 | Stealth_Man | blitz: we have Toronto DID;s |
| 05:20.35 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: really? I'm moving to Oakville in January. |
| 05:20.45 | ww | calluk will map a uk phone number to a fwd number |
| 05:20.48 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: so you could give me a Toronto phone number, and route it over IP then ? |
| 05:20.57 | ww | calluk.com or .co.uk or something like that |
| 05:20.59 | blitzrage | ww: yah, I have one of those already :) |
| 05:20.59 | Stealth_Man | yes we can |
| 05:21.18 | Stealth_Man | ciego: i can provide you with free UK incoming DID if needed |
| 05:21.46 | ww | Stealth_Man really? very useful... i need inbound DID from toronto |
| 05:22.30 | ww | 416 or 905? |
| 05:23.07 | tessier_ | xover: Let us know how it goes. :) |
| 05:23.25 | atacomm | xover: for something like that, I'd say deploy a blade solution for the switching/vm/aa, etc, and stand alone servers for the T1 termination |
| 05:23.52 | blitzrage | I wonder how long until Toronto gets a third area code |
| 05:24.11 | xover | But nobody has actually done something like that before? No pretty case studies or white papers to look at? |
| 05:24.26 | rollyson | xover: I'm replacing a Samsung prostar with * |
| 05:24.53 | rollyson | 20 phones about to start collecting dust ;) |
| 05:24.56 | blitzrage | ww: it's not that bad :) |
| 05:24.57 | Stealth_Man | 416 area code |
| 05:24.59 | blitzrage | ww: where you from again? |
| 05:25.45 | blitzrage | ww: the wierdest thing is going from 10 digit dialing, to going back to your home town which only has 7 digit dialing, but everyone has the same prefix, and only having to give the last 4 numbers of phone (as the rest is implied) |
| 05:26.06 | blitzrage | ww: I always say the full area code + number, and people look at me wierd :) |
| 05:27.03 | coppice_ | xover: I thought the MD110 was Ericson's high volume ACD. Is it used as a normal PBX as well? |
| 05:27.39 | xover | coppice_: I have *no* idea. Telephony isn't really my thing. |
| 05:28.34 | rollyson | 2780081 external maps to 261 internal. |
| 05:29.00 | xover | coppice_: I just read John Todd's article on O'Reilly and noted it appeared to make easy all the things that are mysteriously and inexplicably "impossible" on our MD110 (and its support software). |
| 05:29.24 | coppice_ | xover: trying to replace an MD110 in a call centre would be fun. The manual makes reference to the Hong Kong Jockey Club, as they had to stretch it for that - a 2000 seat call centre. It was the biggest in the world at the time. |
| 05:29.46 | ciego34 | for have 3 incoming sip call at same time from FWD, need 3 sip FWD account ?? |
| 05:29.52 | Mike | what happends if im using my fxo channel in a call and someone trys to place a call? |
| 05:30.23 | Stealth_Man | ok , here is Canada DID info |
| 05:30.29 | rollyson | mike: * notes that the channel is busy and should indicate congestion or fall through to the next step in dialplan. |
| 05:30.37 | Stealth_Man | US$11.99 a month with 500 free incoming minutes. After that, 1.5 cents a minute incoming |
| 05:31.29 | xover | coppice_: As best I can tell, we're only using the MD110 for what I -- ignorant that I am -- would term a "PBX", and a fairly simple one at that. |
| 05:31.30 | coppice_ | Stealth_Man: I can call Canada from HK for less then 1.5 cents per minute. That's expensive |
| 05:32.03 | Stealth_Man | or 29.99$ unlimited US/Canada/UK plan with Toronto DID assigned for unlimited incoming/outgoing. |
| 05:32.13 | rollyson | its going to be an adjustment here doing away with a key system. |
| 05:32.22 | ciego34 | for 3 incoming sip call at same time from FWD, need 3 sip FWD account ?? |
| 05:32.26 | Stealth_Man | coppice: this is Canadian DID service, not price for temrination to Canada ... |
| 05:33.15 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: so for $29.99 a month, I have unlimited incoming and outgoing to Canada/US/UK ? |
| 05:33.26 | coppice_ | Stealth_Man: I am talking about picking up my HK Telecom phone and dialling Canada. 1.5cents/minute just to receive a call on DID is expensive. |
| 05:34.02 | ciego34 | where Stealth_Man????? any link??? |
| 05:35.13 | Stealth_Man | blitz: unlimited Toronto incoming , plus unlimited outgoing to UK/US/Canada correct |
| 05:35.28 | *** join/#asterisk cman (~cman1@202.51.76.140) |
| 05:35.34 | Stealth_Man | coppice: HK Telcom price to Canada 1.5 us cents ? are you sure ? |
| 05:35.35 | cman | hi |
| 05:35.51 | blitzrage | ciego34: no, you can receive multiple calls on the same FWD number. For instance, 3 people from FWD can call my FWD number, and all 3 can listen to my auto-attendent |
| 05:36.24 | Stealth_Man | coppiece: even Bell Canada is not offering such prices within country ... :) |
| 05:36.39 | ciego34 | thanks, bliz |
| 05:36.44 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: that's a pretty good price. And no time restrictions I assume |
| 05:36.59 | coppice_ | Stealth_Man: Sorry. I works out to about 1.5 cents US. Canadian dollars are a bit lower, arent they? |
| 05:37.24 | blitzrage | coppice_: yah.. $1.00 CDN = $.75 US approx. |
| 05:37.48 | coppice_ | So, about 2c/min Canadian |
| 05:38.15 | Stealth_Man | blitz: yes no restrictions, this is residential service ... this is only restriction :) yuo can' reselll it |
| 05:38.27 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: hehe.. no problem :) |
| 05:39.11 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: curious how it registers. Lets say I want my Asterisk box to register with the DID service... ? |
| 05:39.20 | Stealth_Man | coppiece: i am confused about HK Tleeocm pricing to Canada ... |
| 05:39.41 | Stealth_Man | blitzra: thanks for Mark, we can have IAX interconnect with you . :) |
| 05:39.44 | bkw_ | ok who has messed with a 7912/7905 |
| 05:39.58 | Stealth_Man | December 1st, official launch of service. so we are close :) |
| 05:40.20 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: awesome! so I just have a username/password that I setup in my iax.conf and my Dial application then ? |
| 05:40.38 | rollyson | yay, callpark working. |
| 05:41.03 | Stealth_Man | blitrz: yes |
| 05:41.23 | rollyson | need consultation functionality in agentlogin ;) |
| 05:41.24 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: very nice :) what happens if say, my internet connection goes down? |
| 05:41.34 | landrocker | ouch! why does everyone who chats here type just enough so that it wraps like 1 word! ;) |
| 05:41.35 | wasim | partee is pareee! |
| 05:41.35 | Stealth_Man | blitza: too bad ;-) |
| 05:42.06 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: I'm just curious what the caller hears if a connection cannot be made. stutter tone, busy tone, message.. ? |
| 05:42.36 | blitzrage | landrocker: never wraps on my 1600x1200 display :) |
| 05:42.42 | ciego34 | help |
| 05:42.43 | ciego34 | exten => _1NXXNXXXXXX,1,SetCallerID("3056756725") |
| 05:42.43 | ciego34 | exten => _1NXXNXXXXXX,2,Dial,IAX2/ |
| 05:42.54 | ciego34 | sorry |
| 05:42.55 | ciego34 | NOTICE[245776]: File rtp.c, Line 264 (process_rfc3389): RFC3389 support incomplete. Turn off on client if possible |
| 05:42.56 | ciego34 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.56 | ciego34 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.57 | ciego34 | NOTICE[262161]: File rtp.c, Line 264 (process_rfc3389): RFC3389 support incomplete. Turn off on client i |
| 05:43.04 | ciego34 | what that |
| 05:43.05 | bkw_ | turn off VAD |
| 05:43.06 | wasim | turn off vad |
| 05:43.14 | wasim | jinx, black magic |
| 05:43.17 | ciego34 | VAD ???? |
| 05:43.21 | bkw_ | oh god thats like covered on the mailing list 100+ times |
| 05:43.23 | blitzrage | jinx, you owe me a beer ;) |
| 05:43.38 | wasim | come get it |
| 05:43.49 | blitzrage | nah |
| 05:44.01 | blitzrage | + to |
| 05:44.08 | bkw_ | your too young to drink |
| 05:44.09 | Stealth_Man | blitzr: we will make voice mail for you in this case for couple additonal $$ if you want ;-) |
| 05:44.13 | bkw_ | er you're |
| 05:44.17 | blitzrage | bkw_: ummmmm... no I'm not :) |
| 05:44.25 | wasim | not in canada, is he? |
| 05:44.26 | bkw_ | blitzrage how old are you? |
| 05:44.29 | blitzrage | bkw_: I'm 22 man |
| 05:44.35 | blitzrage | bkw_: I've been drinking for years |
| 05:44.39 | bkw_ | OMG I thought you were younger than that |
| 05:44.40 | bkw_ | haha |
| 05:44.42 | blitzrage | bkw_: legal age is 19 in Canada |
| 05:44.45 | blitzrage | bkw_: nope :) |
| 05:45.12 | blitzrage | bkw_: how old did you think I was? |
| 05:45.19 | bkw_ | 19 or so |
| 05:45.22 | blitzrage | haha |
| 05:45.53 | coppice_ | blitzrage: at my age 19 and 22 seem approx the same:-) |
| 05:46.07 | bkw_ | coppice_ is your soft fax stuff working now |
| 05:46.12 | blitzrage | coppice_: :) |
| 05:46.27 | blitzrage | coppice_: at my age, 19 seems much younger :) |
| 05:46.40 | blitzrage | I'll be 23 in January |
| 05:46.49 | blitzrage | everyone send me a bday present. Jan. 7th :) |
| 05:47.36 | Stealth_Man | blitza: my birthday is Jan 9th :) |
| 05:47.49 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: really? that's CrAzY |
| 05:47.54 | Stealth_Man | so if someone will send gift with delay, just forward it to me :) |
| 05:48.02 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: lol.. will do :) |
| 05:48.05 | Stealth_Man | haha |
| 05:48.47 | blitzrage | Stealth_Man: do you happen to need any telecommunications technology co-op students for this upcoming summer? I'll be going into my 3rd co-op term. |
| 05:48.56 | blitzrage | bkw_: good idea |
| 05:49.13 | bkw_ | i'm gonna do one of those wget jump.bkw.org | sh things |
| 05:49.13 | blitzrage | bkw_: I was going to work on something similer, but haven't had the time.... I need more hours in the day. |
| 05:49.23 | blitzrage | bkw_: huh? |
| 05:49.28 | bkw_ | I get to a box |
| 05:49.30 | bkw_ | I will type |
| 05:49.35 | bkw_ | "wget jump.bkw.org | sh |
| 05:49.44 | bkw_ | it will download the script and pipe it to sh |
| 05:49.47 | bkw_ | and start the whole thing |
| 05:49.53 | blitzrage | bkw_: oh gotcha |
| 05:50.14 | blitzrage | bkw_: is it going to autodetect digium hardware? |
| 05:50.28 | blitzrage | bkw_: or just ask questions? |
| 05:50.31 | ciego34 | NOTICE[262161]: File rtp.c, Line 264 (process_rfc3389): RFC3389 support incomplete. Turn off on client if possible |
| 05:50.48 | bkw_ | its going to ask some questions.. download cvs... apply any patches I need and build/install and everything |
| 05:51.04 | blitzrage | bkw_: wicked. sounds similer to a script I'm working on. |
| 05:51.37 | bkw_ | that is if I don't die first |
| 05:51.44 | blitzrage | why would you die? |
| 05:52.39 | bkw_ | I have been sick the past week |
| 05:52.48 | Stealth_Man | bkw: what happned with you ? |
| 05:52.51 | blitzrage | ahhhh |
| 05:52.56 | bkw_ | flu |
| 05:52.58 | bkw_ | or something |
| 05:53.04 | bkw_ | chest cold .. not really sure |
| 05:53.06 | blitzrage | what.. you didn't get your free flu shot? |
| 05:53.07 | bkw_ | but I HATE IT |
| 05:53.11 | blitzrage | oh wait.. forgot you're not in Canada :) |
| 05:53.20 | bkw_ | no they give them away here too |
| 05:53.30 | bkw_ | but its not wise to take a flu shot when your SICK |
| 05:53.40 | blitzrage | nah.. I imagine not |
| 05:53.45 | blitzrage | I don't believe in flu shots anyways |
| 05:53.51 | bkw_ | they dont work |
| 05:54.10 | wasim | i use a lot of homeopathy |
| 05:54.12 | bkw_ | ya know if these nasty ass people would just clean up every now and then we wouldn't have this type of problem. |
| 05:55.01 | daork | where are you bkw? |
| 05:55.11 | bkw_ | Oklahoma |
| 05:55.16 | bkw_ | aka HELL |
| 05:55.38 | daork | whys that? |
| 05:57.35 | atacomm | hey, that makes sense........bkw is satan |
| 05:57.42 | bkw_ | yep |
| 05:57.44 | bkw_ | sure is |
| 05:58.06 | Corydon76 | The only state in the Union to have a Broadway theme as its state song... |
| 05:58.17 | bkw_ | haha |
| 05:58.20 | atacomm | this CVR crap is useless |
| 05:58.31 | bkw_ | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKLAHOMA where the wind comes sweeping down the plains |
| 05:58.49 | atacomm | *CDR crap |
| 05:58.50 | atacomm | lol |
| 05:58.51 | bkw_ | hated it |
| 05:58.57 | bkw_ | atacomm CDR is fun |
| 05:59.06 | Corydon76 | But it prepared you so well, bkw_ |
| 05:59.08 | atacomm | bkw: its useless, it doesnt have the data i need |
| 05:59.21 | bkw_ | atacomm what data do you want? |
| 05:59.34 | Corydon76 | Now that you know tons of Broadway songs by heart... |
| 06:00.00 | atacomm | bkw: if an incoming call goes thru an AA to get to its final extension, it doesnt show that.......it just shows where it came in...... i cant put it into the missed or incoming call lists for that particular extension |
| 06:00.18 | bkw_ | silly silly man |
| 06:00.22 | bkw_ | resetcdr |
| 06:00.35 | atacomm | what does that do? |
| 06:00.45 | bkw_ | go read |
| 06:00.49 | bkw_ | READ BOI READ!!!!! |
| 06:00.50 | JerJer | show application ResetCDR |
| 06:01.17 | bkw_ | JerJer what up |
| 06:01.27 | atacomm | doesnt tell em enough to know what the end result will be |
| 06:01.36 | bkw_ | then read the code |
| 06:01.44 | bkw_ | its not that hard to trace what it does when you read the src |
| 06:01.45 | atacomm | does it clear the incoming or only the destination? |
| 06:01.56 | bkw_ | brb |
| 06:04.20 | JerJer | 01show application ResetCDR |
| 06:04.47 | atacomm | JerJer: I typed that, all it says it it updates the CDR record, doesnt say whether it does the destination only, or both dest and src |
| 06:06.02 | cman | sample voicemail where? |
| 06:06.10 | JerJer | 'before zeroing it out' is not clear enogh ??? |
| 06:07.02 | JerJer | vi apps/app_cdr.c |
| 06:07.19 | atacomm | CDR stores lots of stuff, all i want is the fucking destination to not be the DID......which doesnt match the real destination......i dont want the entire record (src, etc) to be zeroed out.....how hard is it for you to answer a simple question, you always have to dodge it |
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| 06:08.38 | kram | have you tried clearing the keys first |
| 06:09.02 | atacomm | kram: who, me? |
| 06:09.26 | kram | wronndow |
| 06:09.43 | wasim | good beer, eh? |
| 06:09.47 | atacomm | lol |
| 06:10.33 | ciego34 | how can see the callerid of a call coming from voicepulse???? |
| 06:10.43 | wasim | ciego34: in the cdr |
| 06:11.07 | ciego34 | you can´t see it in your sip phone?? |
| 06:16.15 | ciego34 | ??? |
| 06:16.36 | *** part/#asterisk ciego34 (~ciego34@213.250.148.249) |
| 06:16.42 | *** join/#asterisk ciego34 (~ciego34@213.250.148.249) |
| 06:17.54 | ciego34 | you can see in your sip phone the callerid of call incoming from voicepulse ??? |
| 06:18.37 | spy007 | ciego34: name or number? open access or connect? ??????!!?!!?!?????!!!???? |
| 06:18.49 | ciego34 | number |
| 06:19.10 | ciego34 | the callerid number of the people calling me |
| 06:20.23 | ciego34 | if you call my voicepulse number, 305 675 6725 |
| 06:20.56 | ciego34 | how to set iax.conf for see your number when you call me |
| 06:21.43 | ciego34 | sorry my english, is a vlear question |
| 06:21.48 | ciego34 | clear |
| 06:22.27 | spy007 | i see it on my X-PRO |
| 06:22.36 | spy007 | so it does get sent |
| 06:28.51 | ciego34 | x-pro??? |
| 06:29.55 | wasim | a callgirlshoppe agent whose been working for more than 6 months |
| 06:30.39 | ciego34 | wasim any idea?? |
| 06:31.18 | coppice_ | wasim: it took a lot more work than that before anyone called me a professional. damn, they must be good |
| 06:31.35 | wasim | ciego34: no, thankfully i don't have any sip phones |
| 06:32.12 | wasim | coppice_ (piccgs) ret |
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| 06:32.56 | wasim | nevermind, it was a very lame attempt |
| 06:33.33 | coppice_ | wasim: obscure is the word I would use. too obscure for me. :-) |
| 06:33.40 | *** part/#asterisk bigunk (~trillian@adsl-63-204-251-35.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 06:34.03 | blitzrage | anyone have the iaxtel number of any call girls? |
| 06:34.26 | cman | LOL |
| 06:34.52 | blitzrage | cman: what's so funny? |
| 06:34.56 | wasim | we should start a campaign, give your neighborhood call girl an iaxtel number, improve her bottom line |
| 06:35.03 | coppice_ | blitzrage: until we have * mobile, I don't think they will want iaxtel nos. :-\ |
| 06:35.14 | blitzrage | damn... |
| 06:35.25 | blitzrage | :D |
| 06:35.38 | blitzrage | hehe.. ok, gotta go grab something to drink and go to bed |
| 06:35.41 | blitzrage | g'night all |
| 06:35.46 | coppice_ | wasim: just improve her bottom, and her business will improve |
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| 06:37.13 | cman | anyone leave a voicemail for 1-2 min in my no... |
| 06:37.35 | cman | i wan to test if its working now/.... |
| 06:37.45 | cman | 800 248 8870 |
| 06:37.48 | cman | please anyone.. |
| 06:38.39 | ciego34 | you get my msg??? |
| 06:38.46 | wasim | ring ring |
| 06:39.03 | wasim | and then deathly silence |
| 06:39.03 | cman | wasim just test |
| 06:39.13 | wasim | and hungup |
| 06:39.54 | cman | yep |
| 06:40.20 | ciego34 | blitzrage> any idea on how can see in my sip phone the callerid number from people calling my voicepulse number???? |
| 06:41.27 | rollyson | The person at extension 8870 is unavailable. blah blah blah |
| 06:41.36 | rollyson | cman: worked for me. |
| 06:41.41 | cman | can u leave a vm? |
| 06:41.54 | rollyson | left a short one |
| 06:41.56 | rollyson | Testing. |
| 06:41.59 | rollyson | Goodbye. |
| 06:42.02 | rollyson | ;)\ |
| 06:42.08 | cman | leave a long mesg |
| 06:43.38 | rollyson | ok |
| 06:44.03 | rollyson | you have an annoying sample of my voice repeating the word testing over and over. |
| 06:44.05 | rollyson | ;) |
| 06:44.11 | rollyson | that work? |
| 06:44.11 | cman | ok |
| 06:44.22 | cman | nothing.......... |
| 06:44.24 | rollyson | or need another? |
| 06:44.36 | cman | its wokruing |
| 06:44.39 | cman | testing..testing |
| 06:44.52 | rollyson | worked? |
| 06:44.54 | cman | thx rolly |
| 06:45.04 | cman | testing and more testing |
| 06:45.07 | rollyson | ok, I won't dump my MOH into it. |
| 06:45.11 | rollyson | ;) |
| 06:46.05 | rollyson | someone should come up with a STANDARDIZED tone for start of voicemail recording. |
| 06:46.18 | ciego34 | any idea on how can see in my sip phone the callerid number from people calling my voicepulse number???? |
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| 06:47.09 | mack_jpn | iaxtel is down now? |
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| 06:50.11 | Mike | echo has something to do thats on the same line as the adsl? |
| 06:51.39 | rollyson | ok. I'd better go home. |
| 06:51.47 | wasim | mack_jpn: not registered here too |
| 06:52.13 | coppice_ | Mike: it can do. ADSL can really upset some phones, even when you have microfilters attached. That keeps altering the echo pattern, and a canceller may not be able to get a stable adaptation to the echo |
| 06:53.09 | coppice_ | Mike: especially if you are a long way from the exchange, and the ADSL modem is running at full power. |
| 06:53.41 | Mike | coppice_: so what can i do? |
| 06:53.49 | Mike | use a doble filter? |
| 06:53.49 | Mike | :P |
| 06:54.13 | coppice_ | Make: say "oh bugger" and live with it? |
| 06:55.11 | coppice_ | Mike: seriously, using double filters doesn't normally help. The impedances in and out of the filters aren't matched properly, so they don't filter as expected. |
| 06:55.17 | Mike | seems like a doble filter fix it:P |
| 06:55.17 | Mike | hehehe |
| 06:55.25 | rollyson | how hard would it be to create an app_take_one_call_from_queue ;) |
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| 06:58.19 | mack_jpn | wasim: ya. me too. it coundn't make a register to iaxtel sometimes in a couple of day....mmm |
| 06:58.58 | wasim | mack_jpn: it got fixed yesterday, but seems down again |
| 07:00.09 | Mike | a doble filter did help |
| 07:00.10 | Mike | HEHE |
| 07:00.17 | Mike | so adsl lines get echo? |
| 07:00.29 | coppice_ | Mike: sometimes. Its luck, though. |
| 07:01.15 | Mike | i like more sip to sip |
| 07:01.18 | Mike | than sip to zap |
| 07:01.36 | wasim | i like to sip too |
| 07:01.39 | coppice_ | Mike: Its not that they get echo. You phone echos. If the far end it trying to echo cancel that, it needs a stable echo pattern to work with. Id the noise from the ADSL signal is upsetting your analogue phone, and making it echo behaviour constantly change the canceller gets screwed. |
| 07:02.02 | Mike | yes |
| 07:02.06 | Mike | exactly thats my problem |
| 07:02.09 | Mike | and whats the solution |
| 07:02.09 | Mike | ? |
| 07:02.47 | Mike | a doble filter why wouldnt it help? |
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| 07:04.37 | coppice_ | Mike: Using double filters doesn't normally help. A passive filter doesn't work in complete isolation. The signals going in and out need to be of the right source and termination impedance for correct operation. That doesn't happen with cascaded microfilters. |
| 07:05.56 | Mike | coppice_: so what could it help in my case? |
| 07:06.16 | coppice_ | Mike: Pot luck! |
| 07:06.25 | Mike | why luck? |
| 07:06.30 | coppice_ | Mike: don't rely on it as a repeatable cure |
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| 07:07.03 | Mike | its really annoying |
| 07:07.57 | Mike | lowering the rxgain and txgain help a little |
| 07:07.57 | coppice_ | I am far from my exchange. Without microfilters the phones make a terrible noise. With filters the still make some noise. When I use two filters they make more noise than with one. |
| 07:08.00 | Mike | but the other end |
| 07:08.09 | Mike | says it listen my voice to far |
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| 07:08.56 | Mike | coppice_: so you live with it? |
| 07:10.44 | coppice_ | Mike: so far I haven't found a real cure. I tried a couple of different makes of filter, hoping some would be better. I had a new modem recently, when the last one went flaky. Nothing seems to change the level of interference much. I guess a much better filter would work, but they don't seem to be available as commercial products. |
| 07:11.03 | h3x | now you would think... with kewlstart that it would drop line current for Hangup(), not send Congestion |
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| 07:12.37 | JerJer | dumb question: what's the ~best~ way to read from the first line of a file using std C ? |
| 07:14.16 | cman | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+gui+vmail.cgi anyone who has run this? |
| 07:14.54 | Mike | coppice_: so we will have to live with it |
| 07:15.42 | wasim | JerJer: getline, fgets? |
| 07:15.55 | coppice_ | Mike: you can try bitching to your ISP. A change of modem might help. Are you a long way from the exchange? It doesn't usually happen if you are near, as the power from the modems throttles back. |
| 07:16.09 | wasim | jerjer: http://forums.devshed.com/archive/42/2003/10/1/89041 |
| 07:16.53 | Mike | coppice_: dont know my isp is a monopoly |
| 07:17.08 | Mike | coppice_: about 15k adsl over my city |
| 07:17.21 | Mike | coppice_: and more dialup conections |
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| 07:17.34 | Mike | coppice_: and they are national so i guess they wont listen:) |
| 07:19.07 | Mike | coppice_: aggresive echo canceler works but if i speak or make noise i cant hear the other party |
| 07:19.46 | Mike | coppice_: what did help alot was moving it from the filter where the modem is connected |
| 07:19.55 | Mike | coppice_: to another box with an empty filter |
| 07:20.29 | coppice_ | Mike: oh yes, that one often helps a lot. I forgot that. Keep away from the ADSL modem connection |
| 07:20.50 | h3x | DIAX Phone is kind of nifty |
| 07:21.23 | Mike | coppice_: i didnt knew that before |
| 07:21.34 | coppice_ | Mike: My ISP supplied one of those microfilters with two holes - one for the modem and one for a phone. If I plug a phone into that its terrible |
| 07:21.35 | Mike | coppice_: but it did really help moving it from the same filter as the dsl |
| 07:21.45 | Mike | yes i got the same |
| 07:22.14 | h3x | http://www.laser.com/dante/ |
| 07:22.16 | wasim | h3x: does it do gsm? |
| 07:22.16 | Mike | ok we should tell people about this echo issue |
| 07:22.35 | Mike | i didnt find any info saying this on the dsl and i had it on the same filter as the dsl |
| 07:22.43 | h3x | yes |
| 07:22.55 | h3x | i believe thats the only codec in it |
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| 07:26.46 | coppice_ | Mike: you expect them to say "ADSL is a bit quirky at the best of times. You may well have troubles, unless the exchange is next door. If you do, we are prepared to offer very little help. Live with it, or talk to your local cable modem provider. Have a nice day."? |
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| 07:36.24 | Mike | coppice_: well atleast you dont loss time:P |
| 07:37.07 | coppice_ | Mike: marketing usually believes that honesty is the worst policy. |
| 07:37.51 | Mike | i wouldnt spend 1month reading on asterisk and 500dlls if i knew that |
| 07:37.57 | Mike | now i kinda love it for sip |
| 07:40.02 | wasim | Mike: wait till you meet IAX2 |
| 07:40.11 | h3x | computers generally suck with analog phone lines of any sort on any device |
| 07:40.12 | Mike | i know iax2 now |
| 07:40.21 | Mike | i have no phones compatible with it |
| 07:40.23 | Mike | i use ixatel |
| 07:40.27 | h3x | isdn rulex |
| 07:40.28 | h3x | rules |
| 07:40.30 | Mike | and use iax2 to link with my dads office |
| 07:41.07 | Mike | but the echo is dissappointing |
| 07:41.26 | Mike | there should be build in hardware to cancel it maybe it could help |
| 07:41.33 | h3x | they're working on it |
| 07:41.54 | h3x | what's your 10-20 ? |
| 07:42.38 | Mike | 10-20? |
| 07:42.40 | h3x | location |
| 07:42.46 | Mike | mexico |
| 07:42.50 | h3x | ah |
| 07:43.49 | h3x | have you got bri isdn there |
| 07:44.08 | Mike | isdn's are gone since 4 or 5 years now |
| 07:44.10 | Mike | only dsl |
| 07:44.28 | h3x | no, isdn is useful for voice |
| 07:44.37 | h3x | moreso for voice than data |
| 07:44.40 | Mike | not here |
| 07:44.50 | Mike | mexico has a telco name telmex |
| 07:44.57 | Mike | has 99% of the customers |
| 07:45.06 | Mike | same on the internet buissnes with prodigy |
| 07:45.11 | Mike | 99% of customers |
| 07:45.14 | h3x | haha |
| 07:45.18 | Mike | great service |
| 07:45.19 | Mike | but |
| 07:45.19 | h3x | yeah i know all about telmex |
| 07:45.24 | Mike | calls are expensive |
| 07:45.26 | Mike | to movils |
| 07:45.28 | jrollyson | back |
| 07:45.38 | Mike | h3x: live here in mexico? |
| 07:45.42 | h3x | no |
| 07:45.52 | Mike | then? |
| 07:46.05 | h3x | i know all about the politics of telephony dealing with carriers |
| 07:46.19 | Mike | then you knoe telmex is big |
| 07:46.39 | h3x | sure |
| 07:46.39 | jrollyson | dealing with carriers sucks. |
| 07:46.50 | jrollyson | even when you ARE a carrier |
| 07:47.18 | daork | jrollyson: especially when you are a carrier :) |
| 07:47.45 | h3x | telmex is easy |
| 07:47.56 | Mike | h3x: why? |
| 07:47.57 | h3x | you just take the guy out to party and bring lots of hookers and drugs |
| 07:48.02 | h3x | and you have yourself a interconnect agreement |
| 07:48.17 | h3x | the equivalent of a fcc 214 license |
| 07:48.17 | h3x | heh |
| 07:48.19 | daork | heh |
| 07:49.39 | ww | heh... telmex are crooks |
| 07:49.46 | ww | and they own the sanborns too ;) |
| 07:50.01 | Mike | yep |
| 07:50.05 | Mike | they own mexico |
| 07:50.48 | jrollyson | daork: true. sprint has special ways of screwing you when you are a CLEC |
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| 07:52.46 | wasim | ww: would that be legal? |
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| 07:53.38 | ww | i don't know |
| 07:54.02 | daork | jrollyson: we are just a long distance toll provider, but in .nz it takes about a year or 2 to get toll bypass prefixes added to the network, and thats after its been approved. |
| 07:55.54 | Mike | this is bad |
| 07:56.01 | Mike | 0 online people on msn |
| 07:56.03 | Mike | thats bad |
| 07:56.06 | Mike | never seen that |
| 07:56.15 | Mike | specially when all your friends are geeks or freaks |
| 07:56.19 | daork | Mike: they are restarting it or something |
| 07:56.29 | ww | reboot microsoft! |
| 07:56.32 | daork | didnt you get the messages a few minutes ago |
| 07:56.42 | Mike | what message? |
| 07:56.53 | Mike | im on a linux client i guess they dont like us |
| 07:56.54 | Mike | :P |
| 07:57.02 | wasim | i got it on amsn |
| 07:57.08 | daork | 'down for maintenance starting from 8pm NZDT (which is GMT+13' |
| 07:57.09 | Mike | im also in amsn |
| 07:57.12 | Mike | didnt get it |
| 07:57.15 | daork | which is just under an hour ago |
| 07:57.42 | daork | oh, you may find amsn no longer works, they might be upgrading it to kill off 3rd party clients again |
| 07:57.51 | Mike | damn damn jeff pulver doesnt want to send me wisip to laredo tx |
| 07:58.03 | Mike | sending it to mexico will pay LOTS of taxes |
| 07:58.07 | Mike | HATE IT |
| 07:58.15 | Mike | i dont want to wait till january |
| 07:58.25 | Mike | any other wifi sip phone |
| 07:58.29 | Mike | or iaxtel phone |
| 07:58.29 | Mike | ? |
| 07:58.52 | ww | there's the $$$ cisco phone |
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| 07:58.58 | tessier_ | BLING BLING |
| 07:59.05 | Mike | yeah i know that phone is expensive |
| 07:59.12 | daork | how much is it? |
| 07:59.18 | Mike | i guess i can do alot of things with 700USD |
| 07:59.22 | Mike | including a bitch for a week |
| 07:59.29 | daork | lol |
| 07:59.29 | Mike | 700USD |
| 07:59.48 | Mike | i can get some barbie tones some GS ata's a wisip and still get a good bitch for a week |
| 07:59.56 | Mike | so i wont pay 700USD |
| 08:00.01 | Mike | for 1 phone |
| 08:00.28 | daork | there you go mike, msn is back |
| 08:01.44 | Mike | daork: yeah thats why i said it was bad 0 onlines |
| 08:02.01 | Mike | it was kinda scary |
| 08:05.33 | Mike | so you guys dont know ahy other phone |
| 08:05.35 | Mike | wifi? |
| 08:06.15 | coppice_ | Mike: some places show WiFi phones on their sites. Whether they really exist is another matter. |
| 08:07.00 | Mike | i saw one yesterday |
| 08:07.05 | Mike | but no price no store |
| 08:07.05 | Mike | so |
| 08:07.06 | Mike | :/ |
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| 08:07.17 | Mike | im sure theres not other wifi phone under 300 |
| 08:07.19 | Mike | thats for sure |
| 08:07.33 | coppice_ | The Cisco one has the style and grace of a house brick, so not only price is against it. |
| 08:08.02 | Mike | well the cisco looks like the old nokias |
| 08:08.17 | Mike | its kinda cool if i had the 700USD and a good salary i would sure buy it |
| 08:09.33 | coppice_ | Mike: When did house bricks become cool (other than in winter in a northern climate)? |
| 08:10.06 | Mike | coppice_: the thing is it should work nice |
| 08:10.10 | Mike | wisip its a mistery |
| 08:10.38 | Mike | but i like the idea of a wireless sip or iax since im always in places with wifi |
| 08:10.51 | Mike | i can get more signal on wifi that with my cellphone |
| 08:10.52 | Mike | :P |
| 08:11.33 | h3x | hahaha |
| 08:12.04 | coppice_ | Well at least the picture of wisip makes it look like a phone. In real life the Cisco looks like a house brick. weighs like one, too |
| 08:12.13 | ww | yeah... 2.4GHz right beside your brain... great |
| 08:12.31 | ww | do you know what the resonant frequency of water molecules is? |
| 08:12.56 | Mike | coppice_: you have one? |
| 08:13.00 | ww | (hint: there's a reason microwave ovens occupy an adjacent frequency band) |
| 08:13.02 | tessier_ | The frequency your microwave operates at |
| 08:13.13 | ww | :) |
| 08:13.25 | daork | hehe |
| 08:13.33 | mishehu | ww: 2.53GHz I believe |
| 08:13.51 | coppice_ | the reason they gave the 2.4GHz band over to this type of thing is it is useless for long distance communication. Too much absorption by the air on damp days. |
| 08:14.07 | mishehu | and if I'm correct, that's scary, since I pulled that out of memory... |
| 08:14.47 | coppice_ | Mike: I don;t have one, but I played with one a few weeks ago. Looked like a first generation prototype that would quickly be replaced by something better. |
| 08:15.07 | Mike | coppice_: it work cool? |
| 08:15.31 | ww | did you start smelling burnt toast? |
| 08:15.33 | Mike | coppice_: seen a wisip near? |
| 08:16.09 | coppice_ | The office had 7960s and call manager. The brick connected into that and worked. |
| 08:16.38 | h3x | is it possible for h.323 to change codecs in the middle of a call |
| 08:16.46 | coppice_ | I haven't seen a wisip. do they really exist as shipping products? |
| 08:16.57 | coppice_ | h3x: yes |
| 08:17.14 | h3x | does asterisk support that |
| 08:17.15 | Mike | coppice_: some people had written reviews and jeff pulver told me he had shipped some |
| 08:17.54 | Mike | From: Jeff Pulver <jeff@pulver.com> |
| 08:17.54 | Mike | To: Miguel Cavazos <miguel@cavazos.com.mx> |
| 08:17.54 | Mike | Cc: Fred Pulver <fred@pulver.com> |
| 08:17.54 | Mike | Subject: Re: wisip |
| 08:17.54 | Mike | Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:03:22 -0500 (EST)Hi Miguel,The review was from the first person we gave the phone to. ;-)The firmware is improved.As long as you have an open Wi-Fi Hotspot and want to use it on Free WorldDialup you are in good shape.Best regards, Jeff |
| 08:18.59 | coppice_ | h3x: no idea. it has nothing to do with h323 really. Its an RTP thing. An RTP stream can change codecs at any time. You change codecs to do DTMF over RTP, then change codecs back again. I don't know if * supports any other changes. |
| 08:19.14 | ww | Mike: do those things take earplug / headset thingys at least? |
| 08:19.21 | h3x | well |
| 08:19.23 | ww | (with the requisite RF choke) |
| 08:19.40 | h3x | id like to originate a call as 711 and then change to gsm when it gets bridged up for a transfer |
| 08:19.55 | Mike | ww: check out the review:) the guy who wrote it its kinda funny |
| 08:20.06 | coppice_ | first we have the RF cooking my brain. Now it wants to choke me :-) |
| 08:20.15 | ww | where's that? |
| 08:20.41 | Mike | the review? |
| 08:20.50 | ww | coppice_: 1/r^2 :) |
| 08:20.56 | ww | Mike: yeah |
| 08:21.08 | Mike | http://www.loligo.com/asterisk/misc/WiSIP/WiSIP-review.html |
| 08:21.30 | ww | thanks |
| 08:21.56 | Mike | no problem |
| 08:24.55 | coppice_ | Mike: do you know who makes the wisip? |
| 08:26.21 | Mike | yeah |
| 08:26.29 | Mike | some chinesse dude |
| 08:26.51 | coppice_ | ww: I'm an ex radar guy, so I'm more of a 1/r^4 kind of person :-) |
| 08:27.00 | ww | good... headphone/mic jack :) |
| 08:27.15 | coppice_ | Mike: er, yeah, but which one? |
| 08:27.30 | Mike | coppice_: let me look the url |
| 08:27.42 | ww | coppice_ as long as it's away from my head.... |
| 08:28.17 | Mike | http://www.bcm.com.tw/product/productA1.htm |
| 08:30.17 | coppice_ | ww: WiFi power levels are pretty low. it may be a bad frequency, but the overall effect is probably less than a cellphone (of course, that doesn't mean its safe). |
| 08:30.29 | coppice_ | wasim: are you there? |
| 08:30.54 | Mike | im really disappointed on wifi |
| 08:31.05 | Mike | never works when you need it its SLOW as hell |
| 08:31.14 | Mike | theres always low signal |
| 08:31.17 | coppice_ | Mike: BCM seem to make an interesting range of products |
| 08:31.23 | ww | coppice_: as long as it is not 1cm from the gray matter... |
| 08:31.35 | Mike | coppice_: yes they do like OMS |
| 08:31.43 | Mike | OEM |
| 08:31.44 | Mike | :P |
| 08:32.20 | Mike | also i ask grandstream guys about a wifi phone and they told me not for now |
| 08:32.26 | Mike | so dont expect nothing cheap |
| 08:32.37 | JerJer | Orbital Manuvering System |
| 08:32.39 | JerJer | :) |
| 08:32.41 | wasim | coppice_: sire |
| 08:33.12 | coppice_ | wasim: Try http://www.bcm.com.tw/product/pdf/pdf1/Spec-HP180_2003_1103.pdf |
| 08:33.13 | coppice_ | they copied your panasonic lookalike phone :-) |
| 08:33.29 | Mike | panasonc? |
| 08:33.52 | wasim | basta |
| 08:34.12 | voidptr | hey wasim |
| 08:34.16 | coppice_ | wasim's prototype is in the case from an old Panasonic lookalike analogue phone |
| 08:34.56 | Mike | this is hell nice http://www.eutecticsinc.com/products/consumer.html#IPP700 |
| 08:35.08 | ww | anybody know of a wifi payphone? |
| 08:35.32 | wasim | hiya voidptr |
| 08:36.41 | wasim | anybody got iaxtel registered? |
| 08:36.58 | coppice_ | Mike: It requires a PC to work. seems kind of clunky to me |
| 08:37.55 | Mike | TDM4000 also requires one:) |
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| 08:39.02 | Mike | coppice_: <Mike> TDM4000 also requires one:) |
| 08:39.26 | Mike | sipura2000 or GS ata could do better with a 20USD cordless |
| 08:41.58 | ww | umm... |
| 08:42.05 | ww | From the GS ata data sheet: |
| 08:42.48 | ww | support for layer 2 (802.1q vlan, 802.1p) and layer 3 qos (tos, diffserv, mpls) |
| 08:42.51 | ww | mpls!?!??!!? |
| 08:43.13 | daork | yeah |
| 08:43.16 | daork | thats crazy |
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| 08:43.42 | daork | i think their marketing dept just screwed up |
| 08:43.59 | sobol | morn |
| 08:44.29 | coppice_ | daork: why? Its got us talking about GS. Isn't that what marketing depts are supposed to do? |
| 08:44.38 | daork | coppice_: :) |
| 08:45.39 | Mike | wierd ibm has nothing on ip phones |
| 08:46.18 | daork | did anyone ever find out what their 'open source software' they were baing thier voip infrastructure on was? |
| 08:46.26 | coppice_ | Mike: why is that weird. IBM got out of phone making when they dumped rolm. |
| 08:47.08 | Mike | rolm? |
| 08:47.15 | TheFloyd | oh man |
| 08:47.17 | TheFloyd | i remember rolm |
| 08:47.26 | coppice_ | Its a PBX maker IBM used to own. |
| 08:47.29 | TheFloyd | it was deployed campus wide at SUNY stony brook |
| 08:47.46 | ciego34 | i´m waiting for a wisip |
| 08:47.51 | TheFloyd | stony brook's answer to broadband in the dorms when i was around there was a 19.2k data connection via the ROLM PBX |
| 08:48.16 | coppice_ | All the computer companies had this big convergence thing in the 80's and bought telecoms companies (or the other way around). |
| 08:48.26 | coppice_ | They lost a fortune in the process |
| 08:48.39 | coppice_ | now convergence is the in thing again. |
| 08:48.48 | coppice_ | now much will be lost this time? :-) |
| 08:49.33 | daork | coppice_: i dunno, it seems to be working out pretty well so far.. unless telcos come up with something major.. |
| 08:49.45 | Mike | off to sleep |
| 08:49.49 | Mike | see ya tomarrow guys |
| 08:50.02 | coppice_ | nighty night! |
| 08:50.06 | Mike | bye |
| 08:50.09 | Mike | :) |
| 08:50.12 | coppice_ | daork: what do you mean? |
| 08:50.39 | daork | 'convergence' this time around |
| 08:50.58 | jrollyson | coppice_: full regulation of voip would kill it. |
| 08:51.10 | tessier_ | Data is data. To regulate voip is to regulate the internet. |
| 08:51.39 | coppice_ | I still don't see what you mean. Sure everything looks to be moving towards traffic over IP, but will the computer companies make the phones and vice versa? |
| 08:52.11 | coppice_ | tessier_: not everywhere sees it like that. many places regulate VoIP |
| 08:53.09 | JerJer | VoIP cannot be regulated |
| 08:53.23 | coppice_ | jerjer: why? |
| 08:53.27 | daork | wel.. |
| 08:53.45 | JerJer | the internet is a peer-to-peer technology |
| 08:53.48 | daork | technically its a little difficult, but not impossible |
| 08:54.05 | JerJer | daork: its simply udp traffic |
| 08:54.16 | voidptr | ok ok, but... |
| 08:54.17 | daork | JerJer: and? |
| 08:54.19 | JerJer | how are you goign to determine if its FTP or voice ? |
| 08:54.27 | coppice_ | many people in China are looking for proprietary VoIP solutions. They don't want H323 or SIP, as they get filtered at the border. |
| 08:54.30 | voidptr | ftp uses udp? :P |
| 08:54.31 | JerJer | or evercrack traffic |
| 08:54.35 | daork | well, i dont know about you, but my FTP goes over TCP |
| 08:55.00 | daork | evercrack haha :) |
| 08:55.01 | JerJer | ftp 21/udp |
| 08:55.26 | daork | thats only because thats what they have reserved. |
| 08:55.36 | coppice_ | filtering specific protocols is easy. the only escape is a never ending stream of new protocols, to keep one step ahead of the filters |
| 08:55.39 | voidptr | they could make a law that makes you break the law if you use some "unregulated" voip termination |
| 08:55.45 | ciego34 | udp 0 0 *:5036 *:* |
| 08:55.45 | ciego34 | udp 0 0 *:5060 *:* |
| 08:55.45 | ciego34 | udp 0 0 *:4569 *:* |
| 08:55.46 | ciego34 | udp 0 0 *:2427 *:* |
| 08:55.51 | jrollyson | I'd expect any "effective" attempt by telcos to kill voip would be to force metered internet service. |
| 08:55.57 | daork | there isnt actually FTP running over UDP :) |
| 08:55.59 | ciego34 | what on 4569 and 2427???? |
| 08:56.09 | JerJer | 4539 is iax2 |
| 08:56.37 | coppice_ | the philipinnes uses a different approach. VoIP is illegal, but their IP services are so slow, you can't use it anyway. Saves all the filtering and policing, eh? :-) |
| 08:56.38 | JerJer | davidc: ok then streaming audio or voip |
| 08:56.49 | JerJer | or any online gaming and VoIP |
| 08:56.52 | ciego34 | after runing asterisk 4569 and 2427 |
| 08:57.44 | jrollyson | traditional telcos know they could be out of buisness in 5 years. |
| 08:57.57 | wasim | amen! |
| 08:58.04 | wasim | earlier, if i can help it |
| 08:58.07 | daork | block everything other than 53/udp. gaming can suffer. |
| 08:58.15 | ciego34 | traditional telcos must go to ISP |
| 08:58.22 | daork | hmm |
| 08:58.23 | JerJer | daork: then vi iax.conf port 53 |
| 08:58.38 | mishehu | aaaah yes... it's soooo much fun to make phone calls from my 7960 |
| 08:58.54 | JerJer | port=53 |
| 08:58.59 | daork | JerJer: block 53/udp and provide recursive name servers |
| 08:59.18 | coppice_ | why? They are still the people who have the local loop and most of the fibre backbone. They don't risk extinction if they adapt properly. The only risk extinction if they are determined to go down kicking and screaming for the status quo (i.e. are luddites) |
| 08:59.22 | JerJer | ok then build a ssh tunnel and deal with the xtra latency |
| 08:59.36 | daork | JerJer: or just run it over tcp... |
| 08:59.44 | ciego34 | yes good deal use ssh tunnels |
| 08:59.58 | voidptr | or use another ip protocol |
| 08:59.59 | daork | JerJer: or, block everything and provide proxies |
| 09:00.12 | jrollyson | jerjer: add a random 1-30 second delay to any transmission carrying enough bandwidth to be an effective audio transmission, and a 75% packet loss on all UDP. |
| 09:00.16 | ciego34 | if you have fast connections |
| 09:00.29 | jrollyson | that fucks VoIP ;) |
| 09:00.40 | daork | jrollyson: yeah, that'll do it |
| 09:00.59 | h3x | they could just scan udp for stuff that looks like RTP |
| 09:01.02 | h3x | and send a RST |
| 09:01.04 | daork | jrollyson: and add packet loss to tcp as well, it copes with it, but increases the latency |
| 09:01.13 | h3x | or something |
| 09:01.14 | JerJer | h3x: that won't have any effect on IAX |
| 09:01.17 | mishehu | how about running poptop vpn? |
| 09:01.19 | h3x | yeah well |
| 09:01.21 | ciego34 | telcom must move to IPS is better for they |
| 09:01.22 | daork | h3x: a RST in UDP eh :) |
| 09:01.29 | h3x | er yeah i guess that dosent make sense |
| 09:01.31 | mishehu | it's probably not as high latency as ssh encryption tunnel. |
| 09:01.33 | jrollyson | yeah. REQUIRE a minimum latency. |
| 09:01.36 | TheFloyd | rst doesn't do anything to udp |
| 09:01.46 | TheFloyd | RST only nukes stateful (tcp) connections |
| 09:01.48 | h3x | i mean rst on the control connection |
| 09:01.48 | h3x | heh |
| 09:01.53 | TheFloyd | you been hanging out with too many strippers there h3x |
| 09:01.53 | TheFloyd | ;)\ |
| 09:02.00 | h3x | floyd, what are you doing up at this ungodly east coast hour |
| 09:02.02 | daork | h3x: not if the control is UDP |
| 09:02.06 | TheFloyd | h3x- working |
| 09:02.11 | voidptr | just hack your linux kernel headers, and make it think udp uses protocol number 50... and that on both sides |
| 09:02.16 | TheFloyd | I do graveyards wednesday through saturday night |
| 09:02.18 | jrollyson | and offer low latency point to point charged as a toll telephone call. |
| 09:02.21 | coppice_ | jerjer: the thing is you can't stop enthusiasts talking over IP (though you can deter them with stiff penalties). what you can do is make a broadly based, easy to use VoIP network unworkable. you can stop it becoming a real alternative to the existing networks |
| 09:02.30 | daork | h3x: you probably want an ICMP PORT UNREACHABLE, or similar |
| 09:02.33 | voidptr | thats a 2 minutes flat sollution :) |
| 09:02.49 | coppice_ | TheFloyd: Are you a grave robber, or something? |
| 09:03.07 | TheFloyd | heh |
| 09:03.07 | TheFloyd | graveyard shifts |
| 09:03.15 | daork | voidptr: not if ip protocol 50 is blocked |
| 09:03.23 | voidptr | sure, but they wont |
| 09:03.28 | daork | voidptr: ipsec would be a bad thing to allow after all |
| 09:03.35 | voidptr | not really |
| 09:03.43 | voidptr | people need to work from home to their work |
| 09:03.54 | daork | because you could just ipsec all your traffic, and not have to fiddle with the kernel headers :) |
| 09:04.06 | voidptr | ipsec = latency |
| 09:04.08 | voidptr | :P |
| 09:04.13 | voidptr | and requires extra cpu |
| 09:04.16 | jrollyson | voidptr: enforced latency. |
| 09:04.36 | voidptr | then i would complain |
| 09:04.38 | coppice_ | voidptr: if ipsec = latency, does that mean latency makes things secure? :-) |
| 09:04.42 | voidptr | that my citric is suddenly slow |
| 09:04.45 | jrollyson | that would be the single most effective thing that could be done to kill voip. |
| 09:04.53 | voidptr | coppice_ ? uh |
| 09:05.12 | voidptr | coppice_ : i would use protocol 50 to replace udp... not bother with ipsec at all |
| 09:05.19 | daork | voidptr: so complain, the telco stays alive, and hence doesn't care. |
| 09:05.45 | daork | voidptr: he was joking i think :) |
| 09:05.46 | voidptr | daork : eheheh... not if my 500 employees using their adsl leave |
| 09:06.03 | daork | voidptr: and go where? to the other telco who does the same thing? |
| 09:06.09 | voidptr | and next step is to ofcourse clean up their mpls crap |
| 09:06.20 | voidptr | daork : we have 4 providers for that here |
| 09:06.43 | daork | voidptr: who will all happily cooperate to prevent voip catching on.. |
| 09:06.48 | mishehu | my vision of the future is... landlines go the way of the dinosaur. the local loop provider is nothing more than just that, providing a piece of wire... and a number of interconnected and open voice systems. I cannot imagine how they would resolve the problem of emergency services like police, fire, and ambulance... |
| 09:06.48 | coppice_ | As I said, enthusiasts can play games, and work around any restrictions placed in their way (apart from a digger chopping through the cables, maybe). However, making a broad VoIP service unworkable by filtering is easy. |
| 09:06.50 | voidptr | uhm no |
| 09:06.54 | voidptr | 2 already use voip |
| 09:06.55 | ciego34 | where to put cdr_mysql.conf for cdr-csv go a mysql db ??? |
| 09:07.12 | voidptr | 3rd is now making their network ready for it |
| 09:07.18 | voidptr | so you are talking bogus :) |
| 09:07.41 | jrollyson | QoS impairment is the way to make VoIP unworkable. |
| 09:08.07 | voidptr | so people would do everything to bypass that... i know its not good for business |
| 09:08.24 | voidptr | but they cannot restrict it... technically |
| 09:08.33 | voidptr | without hurting other users aswell |
| 09:08.40 | mishehu | aren't there still ways around QoS impairment? |
| 09:08.43 | daork | voidptr: they sell voip transit, or they use voip internally to lower thier costs? and these are telcos who can provide adsl without cooperating with the other telcos? |
| 09:09.07 | voidptr | daork : both, yes |
| 09:09.12 | h3x | i just donno if its really possible to get the world to use voip |
| 09:09.26 | mishehu | h3x: it will happen at some point in time... |
| 09:09.32 | h3x | outside of the us, theres a overwhelming percentage of people that still use pulse dial phones |
| 09:09.48 | jrollyson | hmm... any IPv6 hard phones yet? |
| 09:09.55 | sxpert | coppice_: a few years ago, the incumbent telco here tried to slow down the cable company by physically cutting fibers in hard to reach places |
| 09:09.56 | wasim | not in pk, 90% use digital |
| 09:09.56 | mishehu | h3x: from what I hear, most of the western world uses DTMF |
| 09:10.11 | h3x | sure it does. but we aren't the majority of the population |
| 09:10.19 | TheFloyd | the problem with providers adding latency and/or dropping UDP |
| 09:10.26 | TheFloyd | is most of them have a vested interest in voip |
| 09:10.35 | TheFloyd | and already prioritize those packets on their networks |
| 09:10.39 | wasim | ofcourse we only have 5% teledensity |
| 09:10.47 | mishehu | h3x: countries like china, if on pulse, can have "border pbxs" |
| 09:10.49 | h3x | hah |
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| 09:11.00 | mishehu | running asterisk if they like... they seem to like open source systems |
| 09:11.04 | TheFloyd | i work for a huge CATV company here in NY, and they sell a cablemodem product with 10/1 down/up rates |
| 09:11.11 | TheFloyd | and they just rolled out their own VoIP product |
| 09:11.15 | h3x | its not the service providers that have a problem with voip |
| 09:11.16 | h3x | its the government |
| 09:11.23 | TheFloyd | so guess what? VoIP is already prioritized on our network here |
| 09:11.27 | coppice_ | h3x: actually its mostly the developed countries still use pulse dialing heavily. Most of the world's telephone were installed in the last few years and use DTMF |
| 09:11.31 | mishehu | and all voip routed to china passes thru the "border pbxs" and is routed into their ancient phone network. |
| 09:11.47 | daork | wasim: the kiwis were playing someone in a cricket game recently (i think it was in pk).. the only way they could get a connection for the kiwi comentators was a very flakey phone line.. |
| 09:11.59 | coppice_ | mishehu: china's phone system is very modern. |
| 09:12.09 | jrollyson | h3x: most ILECs don't like end users getting ahold of VoIP |
| 09:12.18 | mishehu | coppice_: I was just talking hypothetically, since I have no idea what china's system is like. |
| 09:12.19 | h3x | but ILECs dont control IP |
| 09:12.20 | h3x | so fuck em' |
| 09:12.27 | mishehu | coppice_: I can only speak for the US, Canada, and Israel |
| 09:12.46 | jrollyson | h3x: no, but they wield signifigant lobbying power. |
| 09:12.47 | TheFloyd | jrollyson- what say do the ILECs have in it? |
| 09:12.51 | h3x | they can squish voip with lower rates |
| 09:12.59 | TheFloyd | all they own is copper |
| 09:13.06 | daork | coppice_: yeah, china was deploying voip internally last i heard. |
| 09:13.37 | jrollyson | h3x: VoIP can offer flat rates. They can't squish that without squishing their buisness model. |
| 09:13.46 | mishehu | TheFloyd: "money talks and bullshit walks"... the incumbents won't change their mode of business without a temper tantrum first... look at the RIAA, MPAA, etc... |
| 09:13.47 | h3x | some of them already did |
| 09:13.52 | coppice_ | daork: that is a con. Everywhere in China you seen VoIP phone cards on sale. What you get is 64k A-law most of the time. Its a marketing gimmick :-) |
| 09:13.54 | TheFloyd | very true |
| 09:14.01 | sxpert | mishehu: the voice packets first must pass through the great firewall that drops all packets containing "the communist party is evil" and the like |
| 09:14.09 | h3x | if the ILECs didnt, the CLECs did with UNE-P products even. |
| 09:14.18 | h3x | flat rate local and long distance |
| 09:14.29 | TheFloyd | yeah, most telcos are offering flat rate products now |
| 09:14.29 | h3x | mci neighborhood for instance |
| 09:14.33 | TheFloyd | even here in new york |
| 09:14.39 | TheFloyd | verizon has some sort of flat rate product now too |
| 09:14.42 | TheFloyd | i think |
| 09:14.46 | mishehu | sxpert: and not to mention "open source is for communists, and anti-american!" |
| 09:14.48 | h3x | mci dosent have to pay recip comp when they originate the call |
| 09:15.01 | h3x | and if you terminate to soemoen else on mci neighborhood it costs them $0 |
| 09:15.07 | daork | coppice_: i heard from an honest cisco /tech/ im friends with that they are deploying it for backbone stuff mainly. |
| 09:15.16 | mishehu | h3x: it's almost like Sprint ION was, but not as good. |
| 09:15.27 | h3x | ION was total bullshit |
| 09:15.28 | mishehu | at least Sprint ION was VoIP. |
| 09:15.33 | h3x | no it was VoATM |
| 09:15.38 | mishehu | oh right. |
| 09:15.46 | mishehu | but not a lot different. |
| 09:15.56 | h3x | they just did it to stir up shit with the other IXCs |
| 09:15.56 | mishehu | it at least wasn't POTS |
| 09:16.09 | TheFloyd | heh I wanted sprint ION |
| 09:16.12 | mishehu | h3x: ION was good though. until they turned it off. |
| 09:16.14 | TheFloyd | i was pissed they canned it |
| 09:16.20 | h3x | what we need is ISDN BRI replacement |
| 09:16.22 | mishehu | TheFloyd: you and me alike. |
| 09:16.25 | h3x | use DSL as the D channel |
| 09:16.33 | mishehu | ISDN == it still does nothing... |
| 09:16.49 | h3x | sure it does, you better be usin PRI if you got a T1 |
| 09:16.50 | sxpert | daork: using hyuwei hardware ? |
| 09:16.56 | TheFloyd | isdn is still cool |
| 09:17.07 | h3x | ISDN is cool, but north america's protocols suck |
| 09:17.07 | mishehu | I had isdn in .il |
| 09:17.14 | TheFloyd | if it wasn't disgustingly expensive, I'd have it again |
| 09:17.15 | h3x | we dont have call deflection like euroisdn |
| 09:17.16 | jrollyson | h3x: ILECs will be less threatened by voip when they abandon pay-per-minute |
| 09:17.22 | TheFloyd | and h3x can't seem to get me an isdn line ;) |
| 09:17.31 | jrollyson | call deflection? |
| 09:17.33 | coppice_ | daork: there is a lot of IP bandwidth in China, but still the appearance of huge amounts of VoIP is a marketing thing. They overinstalled fibre (mostly in the south) over the past few years, so they have little need to use VoIP right now. The main marketing thing is to offer cheap long distance calls without screwing their bisiness rates. |
| 09:17.36 | h3x | its only pay per minute with businesses usually |
| 09:17.38 | h3x | resi isnt |
| 09:17.49 | mishehu | I still have my Fritz!PCI card I got from netvision when I converted my line to ISDN. my first voicemail system I ran was vboxgetty... |
| 09:17.52 | h3x | jrollyson: a 2B transfer |
| 09:17.58 | h3x | before the call is answered even |
| 09:18.00 | h3x | if youw ant |
| 09:18.14 | daork | sxpert: is that that fake cisco stuff? |
| 09:18.19 | h3x | Heh, what would rule is to sell euroisdn BRI as a CLEC in the US |
| 09:18.22 | h3x | i wonder if that would work |
| 09:18.33 | jrollyson | ahh... can't PRI do that? |
| 09:18.41 | h3x | Yes it can, but no one supports it |
| 09:18.45 | h3x | the switches can do it |
| 09:18.52 | mishehu | anyway |
| 09:18.55 | sxpert | daork: no, it's that perfect clone, up to ios ans command line bugs |
| 09:18.56 | h3x | i sell service for a shitload of facility based CLECs and none of them can provision it |
| 09:18.56 | mishehu | I'm off to sleep. |
| 09:19.28 | jrollyson | h3x: hmm... I wonder if we can get that set up on our switches at work. |
| 09:19.29 | h3x | its really annoying, customers have to get lines (not trunks) and use flash transfer if they wanna do that sort of thing |
| 09:19.40 | coppice_ | HuaWei were the biggest buyer of Cisco equipment in China for projects in their services division. After the troubles with Cisco they are looking for alternatives as fast as they can. Cisco will probably loose out because of this. |
| 09:19.59 | jrollyson | h3x: any idea how to set it up on a coppercom? ;) |
| 09:20.00 | h3x | Yeah its a really simple thing to implement but can screw up the billing system if its not set up right |
| 09:20.05 | daork | sxpert: i heard they used copied software.. |
| 09:20.07 | h3x | no idea |
| 09:20.34 | sxpert | daork: whoever told you that lied. they redevelopped from scratch |
| 09:20.52 | jrollyson | h3x: if I could get outside transfers OFF my PRI channels, it would be a GOOD THING(TM) |
| 09:20.59 | daork | sxpert: interesting |
| 09:21.31 | h3x | yeah i couldnt get XO or Xspedius or anybody to do it |
| 09:21.38 | sxpert | daork: would you expect 3com to allow themselves to be liable for software theft ? |
| 09:21.39 | coppice_ | daork: who knows. Cisco had JV stuff going with HuaWer. How much was legally used and how much was not I don't know. I do know Cisco got scared as HuaWei started to export, and tried to smear them. They seem to have settled quietly recently. |
| 09:22.03 | sxpert | daork: (3com sells hyuwei hardware under their own brand in the US) |
| 09:22.08 | jrollyson | h3x: we have our own switches, that makes life easier. |
| 09:22.24 | ciego34 | NOTICE[262160]: File rtp.c, Line 264 (process_rfc3389): RFC3389 support incomplete. Turn off on client if possible |
| 09:22.26 | daork | *shrug* |
| 09:22.29 | ciego34 | any solution??? |
| 09:22.43 | sxpert | daork: in fact, they use embedded linux (montavista I think) |
| 09:22.53 | coppice_ | Everyone wants to be HuaWei's friend. The when HuaWei starts to get successful they panic. |
| 09:23.31 | wasim | ciego34: told you last night too ... turn off VAD |
| 09:23.47 | ciego34 | where |
| 09:23.58 | ciego34 | ??? |
| 09:24.12 | voidptr | on the client |
| 09:24.14 | sxpert | we have a cisco and a similar huawei on test at work. I'm impressed by the new contender... actually goes twice as fast as cisco :D |
| 09:24.18 | voidptr | ... |
| 09:24.27 | ciego34 | was looking at conf files |
| 09:24.38 | ciego34 | don´t find any VAD |
| 09:24.51 | jrollyson | ciego34: on the client device. |
| 09:25.00 | coppice_ | Cisco throughput usually sucks if your configuration has any complexity |
| 09:25.23 | ciego34 | on my 7960??? |
| 09:25.37 | sxpert | coppice_: adding a single acl in the cisco, and you got yourself a nice slug |
| 09:25.50 | ciego34 | ENABLE VAD NO |
| 09:27.07 | ciego34 | my cisco 7960 have ENABLE VAD NO |
| 09:28.01 | coppice_ | HuaWei are doing things on a broad front. DWDM fibre, IP networking, GSM and 3G infrastructure. Its amazing they can develop so much at once. Other Chinese companies, like DaTung and ZTE are doing lots of wireless infrastructure, but HuaWei is really broad in its activities. |
| 09:29.39 | ciego34 | any idea about this error if my clien have VAD off ??? |
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| 09:38.36 | sxpert | coppice_: with more than a billion chinese, they can put quite a lot of manpower into it (and the chinese are not particularly stupid :) |
| 09:39.07 | sxpert | coppice_: they are probably smarter on average than americans |
| 09:39.42 | sxpert | coppice_: for once, they didn't elect bush as their president :))) |
| 09:40.17 | coppice_ | its still quite hard to find good capable people in China in any significant numbers. The university system is growing rapidly, but ehere is still a long way to go. |
| 09:40.59 | sxpert | coppice_: if I judge by the "we launched a man in space in 2 years" thing... |
| 09:41.16 | coppice_ | its even harder to keep them. skills shortages mean the good guys stay with a prestige company for a short while to get a tick on a resume and move on. |
| 09:41.33 | sxpert | coppice_: that's a US mindset |
| 09:42.06 | h3x | isnt there some clever way to use vonage with asterisk these days |
| 09:42.58 | coppice_ | the Chinese astronaut went up on a long march rocket derived from the satellite launcher they have used for a number of years. Only the capsule is new. |
| 09:43.46 | sxpert | coppice_: point taken, however doing the complete capsule in such a short time is a feat in itself |
| 09:44.22 | sxpert | of course, they knew what to expect, so, you may say that it was copying... |
| 09:44.26 | coppice_ | they probably didn't. the launched the first one two years ago. who knows when development started. |
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| 10:02.20 | sxpert | anyone seen levon recently ? |
| 10:10.29 | h3x | i just had a ruling idea for asterisk |
| 10:10.34 | h3x | adsi script |
| 10:10.51 | h3x | make it so when you dial 411 (or maybe a softkey), it runs app_411 |
| 10:11.02 | h3x | which asks you for the name of business or person and zip code |
| 10:11.21 | h3x | looks it up on the internet, returns results in a scrolling window, you pick a number and it speed dials it |
| 10:17.04 | ww | yup... and a similar thing in ciscoxml for the 7960 |
| 10:18.43 | h3x | sure |
| 10:19.03 | h3x | the wap browser idea for adsi wasnt such a bad idea |
| 10:19.13 | h3x | but that would take forever to implement |
| 10:19.48 | daork | that'd be cool |
| 10:20.10 | h3x | coz then all you gotta do is write wap pages for things like that |
| 10:20.32 | h3x | At the very least, you should be able to read yer damned email on the phone. |
| 10:21.16 | h3x | Well with marks help i got flash key to work right with the asterisk.adsi residential script but i think |
| 10:21.22 | h3x | its still implemented improperly |
| 10:22.50 | daork | whats adsi? |
| 10:22.57 | h3x | analog display station interface |
| 10:23.06 | h3x | a bellcore spec for analog screen phones |
| 10:23.12 | daork | ah |
| 10:23.20 | h3x | currently asterisk only supports them with voicemail |
| 10:24.13 | daork | what does that display on the phone? |
| 10:24.21 | daork | its a text thing is it? |
| 10:24.56 | h3x | the original idea was to make devices for RBOCs to sell with bundled services |
| 10:25.01 | h3x | but that just never worked out because of the internet |
| 10:25.19 | h3x | its designed to do a lot of things like phone banking, email access, point of sale |
| 10:25.21 | h3x | etc |
| 10:25.44 | h3x | the phones have a lcd display, most of them have 6 soft keys |
| 10:25.47 | h3x | optional keyboard |
| 10:26.02 | h3x | the protocol is 3rd generation caller id |
| 10:26.45 | ww | i think they thought people would order pizza with it or sumfin... |
| 10:26.53 | h3x | you know, that 411 app would take forever to write because i dont think adsi.h has any routines for two way fsk or the dtmf letter encoding scheme decoder |
| 10:27.09 | h3x | shit, web based pizza ordering barely works from anybody |
| 10:27.20 | h3x | the only one i can get to use right here in vegas is papa johns |
| 10:27.30 | h3x | s/use/work/ |
| 10:28.15 | daork | hmm |
| 10:28.39 | h3x | you know what would RULE for hotdesking on voip phones is to use proximity cards to detect who is nearby |
| 10:28.45 | daork | web based pizza works great in .nz |
| 10:29.28 | daork | h3x: hmm, unless someone came to visit your desk |
| 10:29.36 | h3x | hah i could use ADSI to run my X10 too |
| 10:29.44 | daork | or if you had a tech working on your pc |
| 10:29.54 | daork | well, maybe the tech thing is a good thing, maybe not |
| 10:30.06 | h3x | heh |
| 10:31.02 | h3x | lets see. what else |
| 10:31.09 | h3x | a really simple adsi app would be a parked call viewer |
| 10:31.16 | h3x | maybe i should write that first. |
| 10:31.37 | h3x | scrollable list of calls that are parked. their caller id and who parked them |
| 10:34.13 | JerJer | oh what a lovely tea party |
| 10:34.35 | kapejod | morning |
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| 10:36.58 | coppice_ | h3x: how about hourly parking fees? :-) |
| 10:38.23 | h3x | hahaha! |
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| 10:38.31 | h3x | how about parking tickets |
| 10:38.41 | h3x | "I'm sorry. Your call was parked in the red zone." |
| 10:38.47 | h3x | ^^ allison |
| 10:39.52 | coppice_ | "I'm sorry there is no one here right now to collect your call from the call park". |
| 10:47.52 | JerJer | http://heck.no-ip.com/stuff/shuttleisfast.jpg |
| 10:49.08 | daork | JerJer: yeah, thats a classic pic.. is it authentic? |
| 10:49.33 | tessier_ | I believe it is. |
| 10:50.21 | JerJer | looks like it ... someone else just sent me that link |
| 10:50.27 | daork | yeah |
| 10:50.39 | daork | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.12 | daork | http://heck.no-ip.com/stuff/8.JPG |
| 10:51.36 | daork | I wonder how many people choose "Vacuum tubes", but still pass because they get other questions correct |
| 10:54.07 | JerJer | http://devnull.com/cnn.jpg |
| 10:54.58 | coppice_ | daork: Aopen have a motherboard with a vacuum tube, so that would be a correct answer :-) |
| 10:55.08 | daork | coppice_: thats true actually |
| 10:55.39 | coppice_ | daork: I know its true. would I lie? :-) |
| 10:55.39 | daork | i have to say, that really is a marketing gimick for people who fancy themselves as audiophiles |
| 10:56.00 | daork | lol JerJer |
| 10:56.41 | tessier_ | Just in general, not as an audiophile |
| 10:56.50 | tessier_ | I'm the hottest guy I know. |
| 10:57.51 | coppice_ | daork: I think its a marketing gimmick for people who must have something different. audiophiles wouldn't like the computer. Lots of people are doing fancy colour motherboards, but Soltek have the best - totally mauve. mauve board, mauve connectors, mauve everything except the ICs. Look weird, but I bet it appeals to the apopen vacuum tube motherboard buyers |
| 10:58.13 | daork | hmm |
| 10:58.14 | daork | probably |
| 10:58.25 | tessier_ | Buying a computer because of its looks is stupid. |
| 10:58.30 | daork | and it glows blue i think, so bring on the neon lights |
| 10:58.41 | daork | and better get some water cooling while you are there |
| 10:58.50 | daork | and lasers |
| 10:58.53 | daork | and a smoke machine |
| 10:59.50 | tessier_ | And chicks with big tits |
| 10:59.54 | coppice_ | tessier: looks do matter. its just that some go for really odd looks. Like the computer case with a fish tank on the side |
| 11:00.06 | tessier_ | If they would just include a big titty chick with each motherboard they would sell like crazy |
| 11:00.29 | daork | i used to have a mac classic with a fishtank inside it |
| 11:00.33 | coppice_ | tessier: see, you agree. looks to matter :-) |
| 11:00.42 | daork | but it wasnt exactly a computer anymore :) |
| 11:01.38 | tessier_ | coppice_: The looks of the chick, not the computer |
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| 11:02.32 | coppice_ | tessier: Buying a womanr because of its looks is stupid. :-) |
| 11:03.08 | daork | and buying a computer because of a womans looks is even stupider :) |
| 11:03.11 | tessier_ | Looks are the only reason to get a woman. |
| 11:03.45 | coppice_ | tessier: with that attitude you are definitely shallow enough to want a fish tank on the side of your computer. :-\ |
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| 11:10.40 | reseaux | hi to ALL |
| 11:10.49 | reseaux | hi kapejod |
| 11:13.11 | kapejod | hi dimitri :) |
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| 11:27.34 | ww | argh |
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| 11:27.59 | h3x | ew |
| 11:28.08 | h3x | gastman is so not cross platform |
| 11:30.27 | coppice_ | h3x: redo gastman with fltk or wxwindows, or something then. nice of you to volunteer. :-) |
| 11:31.03 | h3x | ew |
| 11:31.10 | h3x | i hate gui programming |
| 11:31.41 | coppice_ | h3x: and yet you volunteer for it. what a public spitited fellow you are :-) |
| 11:31.49 | h3x | nah |
| 11:31.51 | coppice_ | or even spirited |
| 11:31.55 | h3x | its makefile just needs to be fixed |
| 11:32.38 | ww | feh. * needs autoconf |
| 11:32.47 | h3x | yeah |
| 11:33.01 | coppice_ | ww: why? |
| 11:33.25 | ww | need more meta |
| 11:33.27 | coppice_ | ww: is this and S&M thing? |
| 11:33.30 | ww | metamakefiles |
| 11:33.35 | ww | metametamakefiles |
| 11:33.41 | ww | metametametamakefiles |
| 11:34.15 | h3x | yeah gastman dosent even do anything useful anyway |
| 11:35.29 | ww | coppice_ yeah, m4 with whips and chains |
| 11:47.13 | usam_ | coppice_: 22V in HK? |
| 11:47.26 | usam_ | 220V i mean |
| 11:47.48 | coppice_ | usam_: yes |
| 11:47.58 | usam_ | coppice_: ok .. thx for the info |
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| 11:55.32 | h3x | arent many places with 110 |
| 11:56.44 | h3x | i recon, that gastman is useless |
| 11:58.39 | h3x | hah |
| 11:58.44 | h3x | thats fuckin weird |
| 11:59.08 | h3x | you can right click and originate calls in gastman |
| 11:59.11 | h3x | that gave me a good ide athough |
| 12:01.23 | h3x | im gonna integrate speed dialing into palm desktop using the manager interface. |
| 12:04.14 | h3x | ahhhhhhhh theres an easier way |
| 12:04.36 | h3x | palm goes to a phone dialer app that does h.323 |
| 12:05.13 | h3x | ill just make asterisk take the call, hangup, and then dial it up and my desk phone at the same time |
| 12:08.28 | h3x | where did everybody go |
| 12:08.54 | ww | still here... |
| 12:09.01 | ww | unfortunately :-/ |
| 12:10.07 | ww | (no reflection on those in the channel... more on my lack of sleep and the slim possibility of fixing that any time soon) |
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| 12:17.28 | ww | hrmph... sun rising.... |
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| 12:20.31 | tty74 | Hi i'd like to know who is the best and flexible software pro linux pbx |
| 12:20.44 | h3x | i think you found it |
| 12:21.30 | coppice_ | I used to do yoga. Is that flexible enough? :-) |
| 12:23.33 | h3x | haha |
| 12:23.42 | tty74 | Ok but the hardware card are only digium? |
| 12:23.46 | h3x | coppice_: What are you using for billing again |
| 12:24.10 | h3x | tty74: the short answer is, yes, unless you want to use a external voip gateway which is cheaper in high volume stuff |
| 12:24.14 | h3x | or use voip phones |
| 12:24.28 | h3x | and/or use voip telephone service too for that matter |
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| 12:27.05 | tty74 | Ok and if i whant to integrate in an existant analog handset and dect cordless when the number is more of 4 fxs port? |
| 12:27.42 | h3x | sure you can use the fxs card |
| 12:27.55 | h3x | if you plan to use a lot of analog lines, get a t1 card and channel bank to break it into 24 lines |
| 12:28.07 | h3x | the sound quality is much better anyway |
| 12:28.54 | ManxPower | BTW, do any other vendors have FXS ports in port densities higher than 4 ports without using a channel bank? |
| 12:29.08 | ManxPower | FXS ports draw a LOT of power when ringing. |
| 12:29.39 | tty74 | I've read that if i use a special analog phone it must use fxs is true= |
| 12:30.14 | FuzzyCat | all non-voip phones are going to need fxs ... |
| 12:30.17 | ManxPower | tty74, Any analog phone that will work when pluged into a regular phone line from the telco should work with Asterisk's FXS ports. |
| 12:30.38 | tty74 | What is bank to break it into 24 lines? |
| 12:30.53 | FuzzyCat | it's like a hub/switch for phones |
| 12:30.53 | ManxPower | tty74, It's called a channel bank. |
| 12:31.39 | FuzzyCat | you can also get fxs -> voip banks, but they are pricey |
| 12:31.49 | FuzzyCat | mind you so are channel banks |
| 12:31.49 | tty74 | Where i found it? |
| 12:32.08 | FuzzyCat | ebay is your best bet if you are just experimenting... |
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| 12:33.28 | FuzzyCat | errm, dunno what this one is like but its @ $100 at the moment!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3060955500&category=11908 |
| 12:34.13 | ManxPower | Channel banks with FXS ports are VERY common. MANY, MANY companies use them. They tend to be pretty common on e-bay. Channel banks with FXO ports are not all that common, and channel banks with a mixture of FXO and FXS ports are also not as common. |
| 12:35.04 | tty74 | Ok i whant to try a complete system for test and if all work perfectly create an alternative pbx in the Italian Market |
| 12:35.08 | illc0mmm | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3060331002&category=11908 |
| 12:35.14 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: gee that DianTel channel bank looks messy inside. |
| 12:35.44 | FuzzyCat | yah... maybe they just brought a case and some circuits and shoved em inside |
| 12:36.19 | ManxPower | tty74, EU people commonly use T-1 channel banks for connecting analog phones to Asterisk. Since the T-1 connection is only between Asterisk and the channel bank, you don't need an E-1 channel bank. |
| 12:36.38 | ManxPower | And t-1 channel banks tend to be a lot cheaper than E-1 channel banks. |
| 12:37.07 | h3x | most of the fxs channelbanks are probably stolen from CLECs on ebay |
| 12:37.08 | h3x | heh |
| 12:37.12 | ManxPower | If you need to connect digital E-1 or EuroISDN into Asterisk, then of course you'll need one of Digium's cards that support E-1 ports. |
| 12:37.20 | h3x | ive had my share with the electric screwdriver :P |
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| 12:38.25 | h3x | You know, it would make sense to write dialogic MSI board support for * |
| 12:38.38 | h3x | but im not sure if it can detect offhook or not |
| 12:38.56 | ManxPower | h3x, There are dialogic drivers available. |
| 12:39.38 | tty74 | What i do buy for a complete testing to dimostrate my customer that the asterisk pbx works correctly such a commercial (alcatel) pbx |
| 12:40.22 | coppice_ | h3x: why would MSI support make sense? |
| 12:40.24 | wasim | buy him an alien |
| 12:40.28 | ManxPower | tty74, I would but one X100P and one TDM20B |
| 12:40.38 | h3x | um so you get 24 channels of FXS with a board? |
| 12:40.46 | ManxPower | The X100P will connect you to the PSTN and the TDM card will connect to the PBX and to phones. |
| 12:41.19 | coppice_ | h3x: then you don't know what an MSI board does. There is no audio communication with the PC |
| 12:41.28 | h3x | tty74: depending on the politics of your country, you may want to run things as a service provider model if you can afford to |
| 12:41.38 | h3x | Oh yeah, its all scbus. hm |
| 12:42.39 | h3x | hehehe. Aculab is releasing "Prosody S" which is software based DSP algos to use with your own VoIP applications |
| 12:42.41 | h3x | thats funny |
| 12:42.47 | h3x | too bad all it does so far is playback, record, and dtmf |
| 12:43.01 | h3x | i'd say they are a little behind asterisk |
| 12:43.49 | coppice_ | Intel has a package to do on the host what their Dialogic cards so, with all the Dialogic APIs. Its very limited in functionality, though. Odd. |
| 12:44.00 | tty74 | There are some web interface for customer to change a simply configuration? |
| 12:44.59 | h3x | heh |
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| 12:45.38 | coppice_ | I just looked at Prosody S. It does more than you said. It has SIP and H.323 |
| 12:45.45 | h3x | actually this may work out well for me so i can use Prosody S to playback sip channels into the boards to do other things |
| 12:45.52 | h3x | right |
| 12:46.05 | h3x | They spent years finally getting a hardware board to do VoIP |
| 12:46.10 | h3x | and now they are going the other way :P |
| 12:46.46 | wasim | hiya michael |
| 12:47.02 | cypromis | morn wasim :) |
| 12:47.27 | RoyK_T | moinin |
| 12:49.38 | FuzzyCat | well, it would make like a LOT easier if the tdb boards did bus mastering/irq sharing, then you could just fill up a PC with them and hey presto... |
| 12:49.55 | FuzzyCat | /s/tdb/TDM/ |
| 12:52.02 | h3x | Yeah, but FXS cards need a lot of power to run the talk battery on phones |
| 12:52.09 | h3x | so that would be a limitation at some point i think |
| 12:52.40 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: It would be nicer if the board was bigger, and had more channels on it. Dialogic put 24 channels on one card |
| 12:52.42 | illc0mmm | h3x, just need a larger power supply |
| 12:52.43 | daork | or do like some video cards have these days and have a HDD/FDD power connector :) |
| 12:53.02 | illc0mmm | daork: it does have one |
| 12:53.03 | h3x | yeah |
| 12:53.15 | h3x | external ps |
| 12:53.20 | daork | oh |
| 12:53.22 | daork | :) |
| 12:53.36 | illc0mmm | word |
| 12:53.41 | h3x | fxs cards are kind of expensive per port. |
| 12:53.43 | coppice_ | no external PS. Thats a pain with the Dialogic MSI cards. It isn't needed |
| 12:53.43 | daork | what card is this? |
| 12:54.02 | h3x | digium |
| 12:54.06 | illc0mmm | http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=wildcard_tdm400p |
| 12:54.27 | daork | oh, right |
| 12:56.11 | tty74 | I i want to use an analog fax machine in voip enviroment |
| 12:56.30 | illc0mmm | tty74: you can do that with the tdm400p |
| 12:56.35 | h3x | no you cant |
| 12:56.39 | h3x | unless its G.711 (no compression) |
| 12:56.40 | illc0mmm | why? |
| 12:56.49 | illc0mmm | tdm400p is analg |
| 12:56.51 | illc0mmm | analog |
| 12:56.57 | h3x | Yes, but if the other side is VoIP |
| 12:57.00 | h3x | it won't work because of the compression |
| 12:57.08 | h3x | asterisk has no T.38 modem support built in |
| 12:57.12 | h3x | you could hack some shit together |
| 12:57.15 | coppice_ | tty74: any kind of modem in a VoIP environment needs to be handled with great causion, and must use G.711 or similar (i.e. no compression) |
| 12:57.24 | illc0mmm | h3x, he said a FAX machine. |
| 12:57.29 | h3x | such as using t38modem from h.323 |
| 12:57.30 | illc0mmm | He didn't say emulate a FAX. |
| 12:57.45 | h3x | I know, but if you have a fax machine and call through a voip gateway... |
| 12:57.49 | lecram | emulating a fax is also possible with app_[tr]xfax |
| 12:57.54 | illc0mmm | tty74: you want to plug a FAX machine into a VOIP network? |
| 12:58.09 | illc0mmm | h3x: we dont know what he wants to do, so saying he can't do it isn't a good thing just yet. |
| 12:58.17 | h3x | er. wheres that app |
| 12:58.33 | lecram | h3x: www.opencall.org |
| 12:58.36 | illc0mmm | yeah |
| 12:58.46 | illc0mmm | still alpha though |
| 12:58.46 | h3x | i didnt know that was out |
| 12:59.03 | illc0mmm | yeah |
| 12:59.23 | coppice_ | the beta is getting better :-) |
| 13:00.01 | illc0mmm | the beta is almost beta quality. :) |
| 13:00.38 | coppice_ | wait till I get to version gamma.0 |
| 13:00.50 | illc0mmm | zeta.99 for me |
| 13:00.53 | illc0mmm | or zed |
| 13:00.55 | illc0mmm | not sure |
| 13:01.17 | coppice_ | omega is what you are looking for, I think |
| 13:01.21 | illc0mmm | your right |
| 13:01.33 | illc0mmm | i r a college student' |
| 13:02.01 | coppice_ | you'll learn....... or fail the finals :-\ |
| 13:02.05 | illc0mmm | haha |
| 13:02.19 | illc0mmm | alphabet soup |
| 13:02.22 | illc0mmm | it helps me |
| 13:02.26 | illc0mmm | need the greek letters though |
| 13:03.23 | coppice_ | Hum, there's an idea - Hanzi alphabet soup. Much more variety |
| 13:08.00 | h3x | would anybody be interested in if i offered a service to do a caller id name lookup (CNAM) over IP |
| 13:08.15 | h3x | and/or LIDB so you can find out the OCN of termination/origination for least cost routing |
| 13:12.40 | FuzzyCat | if you want to use fax then try app_fax... |
| 13:12.55 | FuzzyCat | or is it app_tcfax and app_rxfax |
| 13:13.09 | h3x | FuzzyCat: someone was just talking about that |
| 13:13.41 | FuzzyCat | sorry was lounging in the bath |
| 13:13.55 | lecram | no terminal there yet? |
| 13:14.32 | FuzzyCat | i did have, made a plynth for my lappy, but I've removed my wireless for the moment |
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| 13:17.23 | FuzzyCat | do those adtran cb's support callerid and diconnect supervision? |
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| 13:17.32 | haxr01 | when I receive an incoming call, when the caller hangsup, my asterisk server crashes can anyone give me any pointers? |
| 13:17.52 | FuzzyCat | incoming voip call? |
| 13:17.53 | tty74 | It possible to integrate an gsm telephone in a asterisk pbx for budget call |
| 13:18.15 | FuzzyCat | tty74: get a sim box... |
| 13:18.51 | tty74 | Sim box ? |
| 13:19.06 | haxr01 | actually the call is incoming from Nufone so yes it would be VOIP, IAX2 |
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| 13:19.24 | FuzzyCat | yeah, it's like a mobile phone without the keypad and screen, you just plug it in |
| 13:20.01 | tty74 | and is all integrable in asterisk |
| 13:20.54 | FuzzyCat | or if you are in the USA tty74 get oneof those boxes from http://www.cellsocket.com/ |
| 13:22.51 | tty74 | Ok . And for intergrate dect cordless is pobbile? |
| 13:23.32 | FuzzyCat | yes, i do that now |
| 13:23.55 | h3x | hahaha you know |
| 13:24.05 | h3x | you could do high cost termination stuff with a shitload of cell sockets |
| 13:24.13 | h3x | in a office located next door to a cell tower |
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| 13:24.25 | Powerkill | hi |
| 13:24.25 | h3x | "alaska and hawaii voip for $.01/min !" |
| 13:24.26 | h3x | or something |
| 13:24.33 | FuzzyCat | I use panasonic DECT phones/base station.. the good thing about them is that a) they can speak FSK callerid b) they understand callerid text from * c) they support MWI |
| 13:24.33 | Powerkill | is there any problem with iaxtel ? |
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| 13:25.18 | lecram | h3x: use a gsm gateway |
| 13:25.33 | mack_jpn | Powerkill: iaxtel still downed |
| 13:25.38 | h3x | yeah that would be better, but are there any for north american gsm |
| 13:25.51 | Powerkill | :( |
| 13:25.54 | lecram | I would think so, yes |
| 13:25.55 | FuzzyCat | kx-tcd777es is the part no for the base station and 2 phone twinpack tty74 |
| 13:26.12 | Powerkill | And i'm getting crazy i thought it was a compilation fault in iaxcomm :) |
| 13:26.30 | Powerkill | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.47 | tty74 | Ok thank's a lot |
| 13:27.00 | FuzzyCat | what phone you have h3x? |
| 13:28.14 | FuzzyCat | What about caller ID? |
| 13:28.14 | FuzzyCat | Caller ID works with GSM cell phones only at this time. You also need a telephone that supports caller ID to display the incomming numbers. If you do not have a GSM cell phone then the telephone will display CellSocket in the caller ID field. |
| 13:28.16 | h3x | ill be damned |
| 13:28.20 | h3x | such a thing actually exists |
| 13:28.23 | FuzzyCat | that suggests gsm is ok |
| 13:28.39 | h3x | nah |
| 13:28.55 | usam_ | FuzzyCat: i cant get the CID from cellsocket .. |
| 13:29.09 | usam_ | dont know if its a x100p problem or not.. |
| 13:29.18 | usam_ | my cellsocket model is 5161N |
| 13:29.44 | FuzzyCat | errm shouldn't it be plugged into an fxs port ? |
| 13:29.58 | usam_ | the cellsocket? |
| 13:29.59 | usam_ | nope |
| 13:30.00 | Powerkill | no the cellsocket have to be plug into the fxo |
| 13:30.03 | FuzzyCat | "currently compatible with all Nokia 51xx and 61xx series cell phones" (for nokia) |
| 13:30.09 | Powerkill | my callerid work |
| 13:30.12 | illc0mmm | http://www.telular.com/ |
| 13:30.16 | Powerkill | what gsm are you using ? |
| 13:30.19 | FuzzyCat | why the fxo? |
| 13:30.29 | FuzzyCat | it's a phone right? |
| 13:30.33 | illc0mmm | http://www.telular.com/ has some options too for fixed wireless |
| 13:30.33 | usam_ | Powerkill: 6110 |
| 13:30.34 | Powerkill | the cellsocket provide a line |
| 13:30.49 | usam_ | Powerkill: which version are you using? |
| 13:30.56 | Powerkill | usam same issue with my 6110 i got a 5110 and everything is fine now |
| 13:31.02 | usam_ | i can get the CID via mgetty but not with asterisk :( |
| 13:31.04 | FuzzyCat | ahh ok, so ur not using * to provide the lines... |
| 13:31.18 | usam_ | Powerkill: YEAH? |
| 13:31.32 | usam_ | then i will buy a 5110 2morrow :) |
| 13:31.36 | h3x | http://www.valiantcom.com/ |
| 13:31.36 | *** part/#asterisk illc0mmm (~illc0mm@65349hfc242.tampabay.rr.com) |
| 13:31.36 | h3x | hahahah |
| 13:31.37 | h3x | that rules |
| 13:31.38 | Powerkill | one sec i will check5161N |
| 13:31.44 | h3x | you just pop in a shitload of gsm access cards |
| 13:31.50 | h3x | and you got 24 or 30 channels on a t1/e1 |
| 13:32.10 | FuzzyCat | h3x: cell providers get REALLY shitty about that |
| 13:32.12 | usam_ | h3x: 1200U$ is lot of money :) |
| 13:32.20 | usam_ | 72 lines or something. |
| 13:33.17 | h3x | thats not bad |
| 13:33.18 | h3x | heh |
| 13:33.35 | h3x | i can get a pile of $99/month unlimited at&t gsm cards |
| 13:33.39 | usam_ | big start capital .. ;) |
| 13:33.47 | h3x | and dump my expensive traffic on it |
| 13:34.00 | RoyK_T | h3x: how do you connect that to asterisk? |
| 13:34.06 | h3x | crossover cable to t1 card |
| 13:34.22 | RoyK_T | I remember asking on the list ages ago... how to connect asterisk to the gsm network |
| 13:34.36 | usam_ | gsm channel bank |
| 13:34.36 | FuzzyCat | usam_ so the cell socket has 2 ports, one for fxo and one for fxs ? |
| 13:34.37 | usam_ | GOOGLE |
| 13:34.48 | RoyK_T | usam_: ok :) |
| 13:34.51 | usam_ | FuzzyCat: 2 sec .. lemme check |
| 13:35.06 | Powerkill | someone here use ser ? |
| 13:35.07 | usam_ | AC and 1 LINE OUT |
| 13:35.16 | usam_ | not 2 prots on my model |
| 13:35.28 | FuzzyCat | mmm... and the line out is for ur phones to plug into... |
| 13:35.30 | lecram | h3x: there a company in DE that produces a "smarter" gsm gateway... |
| 13:35.41 | usam_ | FuzzyCat: yeah |
| 13:35.50 | h3x | Yeah, but north america uses a different frequency than everywhere else for gsm |
| 13:35.52 | RoyK_T | any way to connect a single gsm phone to asterisk? |
| 13:35.54 | lecram | h3x: it takes multiple sim cards per channel, and can be programmed to switch between them |
| 13:36.10 | usam_ | RoyK_T: cellsocket... |
| 13:36.17 | h3x | cool |
| 13:36.30 | h3x | HAHAHA |
| 13:36.37 | h3x | at&t does add-a-line for $9.99/month |
| 13:36.38 | usam_ | or Fixed cellular terminal |
| 13:36.56 | usam_ | about 1000NOK here in TH |
| 13:37.00 | usam_ | cellsocket is not SO stable .. |
| 13:37.21 | FuzzyCat | really? |
| 13:37.37 | usam_ | the model i have tesed , the REN is too low, so, aterisk wont detect an incomming call |
| 13:37.38 | FuzzyCat | mmm |
| 13:37.49 | usam_ | but for out-going it works perfectly |
| 13:37.58 | h3x | maybe im looking at this wrong |
| 13:38.08 | h3x | i could send off-peak minutes on $29.95/month accounts |
| 13:38.13 | h3x | or something |
| 13:38.19 | usam_ | trust me, forget cellsocket .. |
| 13:38.23 | FuzzyCat | :/ |
| 13:38.26 | usam_ | its just for home use only |
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| 13:38.32 | FuzzyCat | not good then |
| 13:38.40 | usam_ | when you are using the line, the phone stop charging.. |
| 13:38.47 | RoyK_T | usam_: I haven't found any cellular terminal anywhere ... I saw Siemens had one, but when I dialed them to ask they didn't know |
| 13:38.53 | FuzzyCat | usam_ I only want it for home use |
| 13:38.56 | usam_ | nad you know, non-lithium bats gets fucked very quckly |
| 13:39.17 | usam_ | RoyK_T: well |
| 13:39.23 | FuzzyCat | uasm_ isn;t that just a feature of Nokia phones... |
| 13:39.24 | usam_ | nokia has |
| 13:39.29 | usam_ | erricsson has |
| 13:39.42 | usam_ | but know name from taiwan is chaper.. |
| 13:39.45 | usam_ | cheaper.. |
| 13:39.48 | usam_ | but the REN suxx |
| 13:40.03 | FuzzyCat | mmm.... |
| 13:40.32 | usam_ | im working for gettting a better production from them... |
| 13:40.45 | usam_ | the voltage are too low for asterisk to understand its a RING .. |
| 13:40.54 | usam_ | they just need to do some recode in their ROMS |
| 13:41.02 | *** join/#asterisk BastiS (~BastiS@hoochie.digium.com) |
| 13:41.06 | coppice_ | RoyK_T: usam_ is right about Nokia and Ericsson, but in fact almost anyone making GSM modems makes GSM terminals too. |
| 13:41.53 | usam_ | if i get the working model, i will be shipping worldwide ;) |
| 13:42.07 | usam_ | but dont hold your breath |
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| 13:43.43 | usam_ | coppice_: im sure you have a lot of those terminals in HK |
| 13:44.03 | BastiS | Can anybody tell if can configure the ISDN-card also as a NT (Network Terminator) or only as a TE (Terminal Endpoint)? |
| 13:44.11 | coppice_ | usam_: no. why would we want them here? |
| 13:44.27 | h3x | it would be nice if something went gsm phone network -> voip directly |
| 13:44.29 | usam_ | coppice_: dunno .. mine are from TW .. |
| 13:44.34 | h3x | so it dosent need codec translation twice |
| 13:44.38 | usam_ | chinese :P |
| 13:44.49 | BastiS | So you could also connect ISDN phones to asterisk |
| 13:44.49 | FuzzyCat | coppice_: for gsm -> gsm calls |
| 13:44.55 | coppice_ | usam_: they make them, but why would they use them? |
| 13:45.08 | h3x | BastiS: the only ones that can do that are the one kapejod is making and the avm fritz card |
| 13:45.11 | usam_ | hm.. |
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| 13:45.22 | usam_ | here, we have 3 big providers.. |
| 13:45.29 | h3x | BastiS: but at the end of the day, a voip phone is cheaper any way you look at it unfortunately |
| 13:45.32 | RoyK_T | coppice_: modems such as nokiacard can't send audio IIRC. And the swedish Ericsson office (for instance) couldn't help me with a terminal |
| 13:45.35 | usam_ | orange is the cheapest in their tariff |
| 13:45.55 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: there are 7M people in HK, and 6M GSM subscribers. Take away the babies, and that means *everyone* has a cell phone. You call a GSM phone from another GSM phone! |
| 13:46.06 | usam_ | so, for gsm calls, route it thru the GSM and land-land thru a fixed landline |
| 13:46.27 | BastiS | h3x: you are right but you could also use it to connect a PBX to asterisk |
| 13:46.32 | h3x | i think the worst thing about a gsm t1 gateway would be that you probably cant change the caller id for outbound calls |
| 13:46.56 | h3x | BastiS: if you are gonna do that, i highly recommend just using a t1 card on the pbx and asterisk |
| 13:47.16 | h3x | a quad bri card costs about what a t1 card does on the asterisk side. |
| 13:47.24 | coppice_ | RoyK_T: Nokia has a terminal specifically for land line phone use. The cards can do audio, but only as analogue, I think. I don't think you can get at the audio digitally. The Ericsson definitely make terminals. Look at their web site. |
| 13:47.44 | FuzzyCat | yah, that's what it's about coppice_ - for example and Orange -> Orange call works out cheaper than Vodaphone -> orange pstn -> orange |
| 13:48.05 | BastiS | h3x: I have a Siemens Hicom PBX and the t1 cards are kinda expensive there |
| 13:48.33 | h3x | blah. This valiantcom thing does work with T1s, but it dosent support the north american gsm network |
| 13:49.04 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: here the receiver pays, and pays the same rate whereever the call comes from. Nobody cares about cross network rates. There are intranetworkminutes, but with strings that make them almost useless. |
| 13:49.21 | h3x | aren't bri cards too ? |
| 13:49.23 | FuzzyCat | the RECEIVER payS?!! |
| 13:49.47 | h3x | hahahahahahhahahaha |
| 13:49.53 | h3x | "quit calling me, you are running up my bill!" |
| 13:49.57 | h3x | i bet telemarketers are really not popular there |
| 13:49.58 | FuzzyCat | yeah! |
| 13:50.39 | RoyK_T | coppice_: where's this? |
| 13:50.42 | h3x | BastiS: Well i guess you are sort of screwed then... switch it all over to asterisk :) |
| 13:50.56 | h3x | integration is a huge pain in the ass compared to replacement |
| 13:51.15 | coppice_ | FuzzyCat: a peculiarity of HK that came about from practical reasons when cellular started. All land line calls within HK are free. Courtesy phones are everywhere, which cannot make IDD calls. How to you maintain that when you introduce cellular? By receiver pays! It runs against the tide of telecoms charging, but it worked. |
| 13:51.23 | daork | reciever pays for cellular calls in the US also, correct? |
| 13:51.28 | BastiS | well I have several bri cards (we call them S0 here) for the pbx already |
| 13:51.40 | daork | well, pstn -> cellular calls |
| 13:52.06 | h3x | alright well ask kapejod if his bri card is available yet |
| 13:52.10 | h3x | ive seen prototypes of it |
| 13:52.14 | RoyK_T | grr. where's that asterisk FAQ again? |
| 13:52.15 | BastiS | and a bri card for a pc costs about 20 € = 16 $ on ebay |
| 13:52.22 | coppice_ | h3x: strangely, telemarketers have only recently become an annoyance here. |
| 13:52.22 | RoyK_T | why isn't there a link to it from asterisk.org? |
| 13:52.41 | h3x | its on digium.com isnt it |
| 13:52.54 | h3x | BastiS: Yes, but most all of them can not be network end of BRI |
| 13:53.02 | h3x | its different electrically |
| 13:53.07 | BastiS | are you talkin about http://www.junghanns.net/asterisk ? |
| 13:53.08 | h3x | even for S/T |
| 13:53.11 | h3x | Yes |
| 13:53.11 | RoyK_T | h3x: no - different site |
| 13:53.12 | usam_ | wow, vonage over 28.8k modem .. WORKS .. |
| 13:53.13 | usam_ | jrjr |
| 13:53.29 | h3x | BastiS: just email him and ask about his bri boards |
| 13:54.10 | h3x | wow, the first person ive ever seen that got digium's java irc client to work.. |
| 13:54.59 | BastiS | ??? |
| 13:56.00 | haxr01 | does anyone know how to build the ztdummy module? |
| 13:56.24 | coppice_ | You need ztdummy for dummies :-) |
| 13:56.53 | haxr01 | so where do I find ztdummy for dummies? |
| 13:57.22 | haxr01 | I know how to load the module I just don't know how to build it |
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| 13:59.09 | haxr01 | seriously coppice, how can I build the ztdummy module? |
| 14:01.32 | Powerkill | coppice_ do you know about issue with RxFax and TxFax sometime when calling h323 party i got a fax line and i'm sure that it's a normal line |
| 14:01.49 | Powerkill | I remove the app_tx and rx call back and get the user |
| 14:01.54 | Powerkill | is it bizarre ? |
| 14:02.48 | coppice_ | Powerkill: I have no idea whan it happening. Unless your extensions.conf directs things to those apps, how could they make any difference? |
| 14:02.59 | RoyK_T | haxr01: why do you want it? |
| 14:04.06 | haxr01 | I need it for meetme to work |
| 14:04.53 | zigman | BastiS, 20¤ = 24 $ |
| 14:05.02 | zigman | 1 ¤ = 1,20 $ |
| 14:05.34 | RoyK_T | haxr01: uncommented it from the makefile yet? |
| 14:06.04 | haxr01 | no I don't think so, which makefile do I do this in? |
| 14:06.11 | zigman | zaptel |
| 14:06.36 | zigman | haxr01, what usb controller do you have ? |
| 14:06.45 | RoyK_T | hm. so MeetMe is linux only? |
| 14:07.00 | haxr01 | I believe usb-uhci |
| 14:07.11 | RoyK_T | haxr01: lspci tells you |
| 14:07.13 | zigman | RoyK_T, asterisk is linux only for now |
| 14:07.23 | zigman | so meetme is linux only too ;) |
| 14:07.35 | zigman | * ?# |
| 14:07.38 | zigman | hehe |
| 14:07.38 | haxr01 | I don't know if meetme is linux only but I know it requires a timing device |
| 14:07.46 | zigman | rtcdummy ? |
| 14:07.51 | zigman | ztdummy |
| 14:08.01 | zigman | hfcdummy? |
| 14:08.07 | zigman | zaptel device ? |
| 14:08.09 | RoyK_T | zigmandummy! |
| 14:08.15 | zigman | how many do you want ? |
| 14:08.41 | RoyK_T | ar all of them timing devices? |
| 14:08.41 | zigman | the digium card don*t work on os x right ? |
| 14:08.47 | RoyK_T | no |
| 14:08.47 | zigman | yes |
| 14:08.53 | RoyK_T | ok |
| 14:08.56 | zigman | use the rtcdummy |
| 14:09.00 | zigman | or the ztdummy |
| 14:09.15 | RoyK_T | where's rtcdummy? |
| 14:09.32 | zigman | www.junghanns.net/asterisk/ |
| 14:09.53 | RoyK_T | ~seen kapejod |
| 14:09.55 | | kapejod <~kapejod@pD9E835C3.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 2h 56m 44s ago, saying: 'hi dimitri :)'. |
| 14:10.44 | zigman | lo |
| 14:10.45 | zigman | cya |
| 14:13.29 | BastiS | zigman: well, sometime it is hard to calculate (for me) ;-) |
| 14:13.40 | haxr01 | zigman so I just change to /usr/src/zaptel and uncomment the ztdummy line in the makefile? |
| 14:17.58 | zigman | yes |
| 14:18.05 | zigman | and load it manually |
| 14:18.08 | zigman | make |
| 14:18.09 | zigman | make install |
| 14:18.14 | zigman | depmod -a |
| 14:18.20 | zigman | modprobe ztdummy |
| 14:18.25 | zigman | and see what happens |
| 14:18.45 | zigman | BastiS, ;) |
| 14:19.09 | haxr01 | ok I must have screwed up because I only ran the make install |
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| 14:21.15 | haxr01 | zigman have any idea why my asterisk server might be crashing when I receive incoming calls? |
| 14:25.49 | haxr01 | zigman when I try to load ztdummy I'm getting kernel module version mismatches |
| 14:26.26 | tim27 | any know good cheap channel bank |
| 14:28.00 | zigman | uname -a ? |
| 14:28.07 | zigman | ls /usr/src |
| 14:28.44 | haxr01 | zigman 2.4.20-18.9 |
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| 14:30.04 | haxr01 | zigman it seems like I do not have the headers for that one because it is not there |
| 14:30.48 | haxr01 | zigman do you think it would be a problem if I upgraded to the latest kernel and put the headers for it in now? |
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| 14:31.31 | zigman | hi cypromis |
| 14:31.36 | cypromis | aloha :) |
| 14:31.57 | zigman | haxr01, if you recompile your kernel no |
| 14:32.17 | zigman | use a vanilla 2.4.23 kernel |
| 14:32.23 | zigman | and compile everything again |
| 14:32.24 | tim27 | zigman: if i put a channel bank to a t100p... do i will get echo... with my sip phone ??? |
| 14:32.28 | zigman | make a make clean before |
| 14:33.00 | zigman | tim27, the echo thing i not really a card thing.. its a sytem thing |
| 14:33.09 | zigman | you will get echo with everycard |
| 14:33.18 | zigman | more or less depending on the card |
| 14:33.18 | zoa2 | not true |
| 14:33.25 | tim27 | zigman: i want to setup a small pbx |
| 14:33.26 | zoa2 | i've never had echo |
| 14:33.30 | tim27 | 3 fxo |
| 14:33.34 | zoa2 | not with isdn |
| 14:33.37 | tim27 | 5-7 fxs |
| 14:33.38 | haxr01 | I was just going to install the stock redhat/fedora newest kernel then go in each of the asterisk related directories in /usr/src and do a make clean then make then make install |
| 14:33.40 | zoa2 | not with te410p |
| 14:33.47 | zoa2 | not with t100p |
| 14:34.03 | haxr01 | this was a stock redhat 9 kernel |
| 14:34.08 | tim27 | i read on the mailing list and in the channel that many person have echo problem using x100p with sip phone |
| 14:34.14 | cypromis | zoa2: I have a hel of te410p's |
| 14:34.20 | cypromis | and to some destinations I have echo |
| 14:34.21 | cypromis | and to some not |
| 14:34.24 | zigman | haxr01, get the kernel sources as well |
| 14:34.38 | cypromis | same goes for isdn btw |
| 14:34.50 | haxr01 | yeah that is what I'm going to do grab the kernel and the kernel sources |
| 14:34.55 | zigman | zoa2 you wanna bet there is echo in each card.. its just not noticeable on some calls |
| 14:35.12 | haxr01 | hold on I'm going to pop them in now |
| 14:35.44 | tim27 | cypromis: as x100p is just a modem, it's the reason why so mush people get echo with it ??? |
| 14:36.26 | zigman | the x100p is a PRI card isn't it ? |
| 14:36.41 | zoa2 | no |
| 14:36.46 | zoa2 | ist a stupid modem |
| 14:36.55 | zigman | ahh i mixed that up sorry |
| 14:37.02 | tim27 | x100p is a modem to connect fxo phone line |
| 14:37.21 | cypromis | tim27: the problem is analog digital conversion |
| 14:37.22 | cypromis | allways |
| 14:37.23 | tim27 | zoa2: do you have isdn bri ??? |
| 14:37.23 | cypromis | suxx |
| 14:37.30 | voidptr | moo |
| 14:37.37 | cypromis | Hi void |
| 14:37.49 | zoa2 | u have an avm isnd yes |
| 14:38.17 | tim27 | cypromis: if i but the analog fxo in a channel bank and connect the bank to a t100p... i will get echo on analog digital conversation ??? |
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| 14:39.53 | cypromis | there is allways a chance for echo since you ave to take into accpuint the whole call way |
| 14:39.58 | cypromis | not only one piece of it |
| 14:40.40 | tim27 | cypromis: what setup you suggest for 3 lines , 4 fxs, and some sip phone... |
| 14:40.58 | zigman | put them all together ;) |
| 14:41.03 | tim27 | digium do dont card for bri |
| 14:41.17 | cypromis | either wait the couple of weeks for digium to come out with the hardware echo cancellation inclusive fxo modules on the tdm's |
| 14:41.27 | cypromis | or go with one of the expensive channel banks and a t100p |
| 14:41.27 | zigman | tim no private msg pls |
| 14:41.40 | zoa2 | hey he did that here too :) |
| 14:42.12 | tim27 | i emailed digium last week... |
| 14:43.25 | tim27 | that what i got as answer about echo |
| 14:43.26 | tim27 | You may or may not experience echo. If so, it'll only be on the IP |
| 14:43.27 | tim27 | side, and you can try different echo cancelation routines and play |
| 14:43.27 | tim27 | with the gain to try and reduce or eliminate it. |
| 14:43.27 | tim27 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.27 | tim27 | I cannot give you any information regarding any other FXO devices. |
| 14:43.28 | tim27 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.30 | tim27 | Cheers. |
| 14:44.08 | zoa2 | that means try and see |
| 14:44.13 | tim27 | i asked about the fxo module ... for the tdm400p, but they say to not give mush info |
| 14:44.24 | h3x | you know, everybody says Trabas sucks but im gonna install it just to see what it looks like |
| 14:44.34 | zoa2 | h3x: good luck |
| 14:44.42 | zoa2 | i spent 3 days trying to install it |
| 14:44.43 | h3x | good luck? heh |
| 14:44.45 | zoa2 | and it still didnt work :) |
| 14:44.45 | h3x | hahahah |
| 14:44.57 | coppice_ | What's Trabas? |
| 14:45.04 | h3x | I seriously am thinking about starting a sourceforge project for a billing system |
| 14:45.12 | tim27 | that mean... spend money... and you dont know if it will work |
| 14:45.23 | zigman | tim27 yes |
| 14:45.26 | zoa2 | H3x: even the sql files are broken |
| 14:45.27 | h3x | some piece of shit perl/mysql/apache voip billing system |
| 14:45.30 | zoa2 | bad copy |
| 14:45.37 | h3x | goodness. |
| 14:46.02 | zoa2 | oh and my sql server hates it:) |
| 14:46.09 | zoa2 | for not closing connections |
| 14:46.23 | h3x | uh.. thats normal |
| 14:46.29 | h3x | most applications should leave the connections open |
| 14:46.39 | tim27 | cypromis: you have a guess about when the fxo module will be ready ??? |
| 14:46.48 | zoa2 | yeah but not untill mysql dies on you :) |
| 14:46.54 | h3x | haha |
| 14:47.12 | h3x | ok i get it |
| 14:47.17 | h3x | its not re-using connections like it should |
| 14:47.23 | zoa2 | yups |
| 14:48.07 | h3x | The only problem is if i wrote a billing system |
| 14:48.17 | h3x | i would probably use Pike |
| 14:48.21 | h3x | and not very many people use that |
| 14:48.26 | cypromis | tim27: not really |
| 14:48.34 | h3x | so i'll probably be the only developer of it |
| 14:49.00 | zoa2 | :) |
| 14:49.03 | coppice_ | h3x: So there will be a very small Pike staff, eh? :-) |
| 14:49.04 | tim27 | anyway i buyed some x101p from bkw... the better will be to wait... and see |
| 14:49.08 | h3x | hehe |
| 14:49.17 | h3x | then again most of it really wouldnt have to be written in pike |
| 14:49.26 | zoa2 | bkw gives great support |
| 14:49.27 | h3x | they'd just have stuff embedded in html pages and whatever |
| 14:49.41 | tim27 | and the tdm400p will be the same card ???, i mean if i buy now, i will be able to put fxo module on them ... |
| 14:49.42 | h3x | and some hacks to asterisk maybe to do call rating |
| 14:49.57 | h3x | i want to support asterisk cdr's and possibly other sources such as sip proxies |
| 14:50.22 | h3x | and then a module that ftp's out cdr's from your carrier and compares them against your data to do auditing |
| 14:51.40 | h3x | I still think that postgres should be able to do call rating as a stored procedure |
| 14:52.12 | cypromis | it does it fine |
| 14:52.20 | cypromis | billing rating and invoicing |
| 14:52.25 | zoa2 | cypromis you using call rating ? |
| 14:52.26 | h3x | what does |
| 14:52.28 | cypromis | even statistics and ASR calculations |
| 14:52.32 | cypromis | postgres |
| 14:52.36 | h3x | you wrote it or what |
| 14:52.43 | cypromis | zoma2: no I am running a carrier without rating |
| 14:52.44 | cypromis | rotfl |
| 14:52.47 | zoa2 | what is ASR calculations ? |
| 14:52.59 | cypromis | Average SUccess Rates on a route |
| 14:53.11 | cypromis | so I can do call routing by ASR of the last 2h |
| 14:53.12 | h3x | would you be willing to contribute anything to a opensource billing project? |
| 14:53.28 | cypromis | not yet |
| 14:53.30 | zoa2 | ic |
| 14:55.45 | h3x | cypromis: are you doing it as triggers, stored procedures, ? |
| 14:56.08 | cypromis | stored procedures |
| 14:56.22 | cypromis | but we are stopping that project and moving to a j2ee solution |
| 14:56.31 | h3x | ew |
| 14:58.27 | cypromis | h3x: prepayed mutlichannel billing is easier that way |
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| 15:09.30 | voidptr | they only java i like is the indonesian island ;) |
| 15:14.01 | zigman | voidptr, good call ;) |
| 15:18.34 | h3x | you know, i dont really like the GPL license but i think im gonna use it for this project |
| 15:18.53 | h3x | theres plenty of commerical solutions for billing and letting anybody integrate this defeats the purpose of the project |
| 15:19.00 | h3x | commercial even |
| 15:24.03 | izo | h3x there is some open source billing |
| 15:24.17 | izo | i dont remeber its name trabase |
| 15:24.21 | izo | trabas or similar |
| 15:24.24 | h3x | I know |
| 15:24.28 | h3x | it sucks we were just talking about it |
| 15:24.35 | h3x | its written in perl |
| 15:24.39 | h3x | dosent do real time call rating |
| 15:25.13 | izo | true |
| 15:28.10 | h3x | hehe im thinking about calling it "Pound" |
| 15:28.15 | h3x | as a complement to "Asterisk" |
| 15:28.25 | tholo | There is call rating available from http://www.trollphone.org/files/ |
| 15:28.28 | h3x | or it could be "Hash" |
| 15:28.41 | tholo | It is relatively early release stilll, but it *is* available. |
| 15:29.00 | h3x | ah |
| 15:29.30 | tholo | It also does Least Cost Routing. Doesn't do prepaid stuff yet, but that is coming. Same with peak/off-peak rates. |
| 15:30.02 | h3x | who's is that? |
| 15:30.19 | zoa2 | tholo's :) |
| 15:30.30 | tholo | So far I have written all the code... |
| 15:30.43 | zoa2 | and i am doing some testing with it |
| 15:30.49 | tholo | Been at it for a bit over a week. |
| 15:30.57 | h3x | Oh |
| 15:31.03 | zoa2 | but there is no billing included h3x, maybe something for you ? :) |
| 15:31.04 | tholo | While you're at it, you might check out http://www.iaxprovider.net/ too... ;-) |
| 15:31.21 | h3x | Well, since mine is GPL license can i put your code inside of it? |
| 15:31.23 | tholo | Right -- this is just routing and rating, no billing. |
| 15:31.42 | zoa2 | h3x: why not work together ? |
| 15:31.46 | h3x | thats what i was thinking |
| 15:31.51 | zoa2 | it belongs together |
| 15:31.53 | tholo | It is available under GPL at the moment, yes. It will probably be dual-licensed in the long term (like Asterisk). |
| 15:31.56 | h3x | you can have cvs commit on sf.net for this |
| 15:31.57 | h3x | hm |
| 15:32.06 | h3x | id rather work on the billing system anyway |
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| 15:32.32 | h3x | errr.. its mysql |
| 15:32.37 | tholo | And I'd rather do the routing & rating. |
| 15:32.40 | tholo | Yes, so? |
| 15:32.44 | h3x | i guess if its always gpl it dosent matter but you are screwed if you change your license |
| 15:32.59 | tholo | Not if you have a commercial MySQL license. |
| 15:33.13 | h3x | hrm .. very true. but um |
| 15:33.18 | h3x | asterisk got in trouble for it |
| 15:33.19 | RoyK_T | tholo: how do you plan the pricing system in trollphone? |
| 15:33.31 | tholo | Digium does not have a commercial license. |
| 15:33.42 | RoyK_T | tholo: you can use an older MySQL version. That's under GPL |
| 15:33.45 | tholo | Cheaper than Telenor. But not free minutes like Telio. |
| 15:34.49 | tholo | The current MySQL is under GPL or commercial license -- it has a dual license model. |
| 15:35.02 | tholo | The old one had LGPL for the client libraries, but they stopped that. |
| 15:37.34 | h3x | the way you did it is pretty cool as an app in asterisk |
| 15:38.18 | RoyK_T | tholo: how can they have a dual licence? or how can they change lgpl to something else? |
| 15:38.32 | RoyK_T | the old libs are still lgpl and iirc they haven't changed much |
| 15:38.36 | h3x | you could use unixodbc though |
| 15:39.00 | h3x | since theres nothing proprietary about mysql you are using |
| 15:40.13 | RoyK_T | I'd choose to use PostgreSQL instead. I don't trust a company that first GPLs its product and then goes back to a more commercial license |
| 15:40.25 | h3x | yeah me too |
| 15:40.42 | tholo | A copyright holder can issue something they own the copyright for under any and all copyrights they wish, as long as they are not encumbered by other licenses. |
| 15:40.56 | tholo | They never stopped providing a GPL license. |
| 15:41.04 | tholo | They stopped providing an LGPL license. |
| 15:41.12 | h3x | you need to have it rate the call's cost and what its sold for seperately |
| 15:41.14 | h3x | for auditing |
| 15:41.25 | h3x | actually i guess that dosent have to be done in real time |
| 15:41.37 | RoyK_T | Give me _one_ good reason to stick with mysql and not switching to postgres |
| 15:41.47 | tholo | The sale cost is different, and belongs to a billing solution IMO. |
| 15:41.57 | zoa2 | tholo, i disagree |
| 15:42.00 | h3x | maybe he didnt feel like learning the postgres c api? :) |
| 15:42.23 | zoa2 | tholo: you will catch cheaters and bugs a lot faster like that :) |
| 15:42.31 | h3x | No, you definately need to be keeping track of what the customer is billed so you can shut them off |
| 15:42.36 | h3x | especially for prepaid stuff |
| 15:42.43 | tholo | MySQL is faster. They have started (with 4.1) to provide prepared statements, which will be very important for scalability. And PgSQL's API frankly sucks. |
| 15:43.02 | h3x | and, so they can look at their billing information online |
| 15:43.04 | h3x | in real time |
| 15:43.33 | tholo | Hm, good point. |
| 15:44.08 | zoa2 | callshops seem to go insane on trying extensions like 0800##00442342323 |
| 15:44.17 | zoa2 | to fuck with rating systems |
| 15:44.30 | zoa2 | better be sure that you have a way to follow up |
| 15:44.32 | zoa2 | in real time |
| 15:44.38 | h3x | it needs to be able to rate calls with lata by class |
| 15:44.40 | h3x | tiered |
| 15:44.41 | h3x | flat rate |
| 15:44.42 | h3x | free |
| 15:44.43 | zoa2 | if you wait a month you might be broke |
| 15:45.40 | tholo | h3x, lata is pretty much an american thing -- but can be handled by just having different prefix routes. |
| 15:46.23 | h3x | Yeah for now. eventually i'd like to integtate with LIDB lookup because this whole wireless number portability thing is gonna screw up everything. |
| 15:46.40 | tholo | Yeah. |
| 15:46.45 | zoa2 | what is LIDB lookup ? |
| 15:46.51 | h3x | line information database |
| 15:46.55 | zoa2 | ic |
| 15:46.58 | zoa2 | you have axx to that ? |
| 15:47.06 | zoa2 | are belgium numbers also included ? |
| 15:47.12 | zoa2 | *belgian |
| 15:47.17 | tholo | Those are also seperate for each country, typically. |
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| 15:47.21 | h3x | it gives you a bunch of information about NANP (north american number plan) |
| 15:47.25 | h3x | numbers |
| 15:47.38 | h3x | including in this case the OCN (operating carrier number) of wherever your call is going to |
| 15:47.41 | tholo | There is one in Norway already, for instance. There's been number portability there for a long time already, and not just for cell numbers. |
| 15:47.46 | zoa2 | i can't get axx to the belgian numbers :( |
| 15:48.03 | tholo | Such access is typically not free... |
| 15:48.06 | h3x | we have to use SS7 TCAP for it but i found a way to get it over IP |
| 15:48.10 | zoa2 | you need to pay like 100.000 euro for axx |
| 15:48.15 | h3x | it costs you per querty |
| 15:48.16 | RoyK_T | tholo: planlegger dere fast avgift per måned sånn som telehor, eller bare trafikkostnader? |
| 15:48.36 | zoa2 | telewhore ? |
| 15:48.38 | zoa2 | cool :) |
| 15:48.46 | h3x | haha query i mean |
| 15:48.47 | easydone | lol |
| 15:49.06 | tholo | RoyK: We plan on charging both a subscription fee and a per minute fee. Different rates than Telenor, certainly. |
| 15:49.10 | easydone | must be telenor |
| 15:50.02 | h3x | have you tried doing LCR with ENUM? |
| 15:50.11 | tholo | Nope. :) |
| 15:50.20 | h3x | guess that wouldnt get along with simultaenous call limit though |
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| 15:51.42 | RoyK_T | tholo: why don't you just do it like cypromis and his gang - just charge traffic? |
| 15:52.04 | RoyK_T | tholo: and then charge a little for a number? |
| 15:52.10 | h3x | New Projects Pending Review |
| 15:52.10 | h3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.12 | h3x | hehehehe |
| 15:52.14 | h3x | Pound |
| 15:52.15 | tholo | Because not everyone will have outbound traffic. |
| 15:52.43 | zoa2 | :) |
| 15:53.27 | tholo | We will have a subscription type for people that only have outbound traffic (and no phone number), most likely. |
| 15:55.30 | h3x | see i was thinking just making a script that kicks out ENUM DNS records |
| 15:55.37 | RoyK_T | tholo: when do you plan to open up for the average customer? |
| 15:55.40 | h3x | whenever you need to change them |
| 15:55.46 | h3x | for the LCR part of it |
| 15:55.57 | h3x | and just having asterisk module rate the call and do the CDR stuff |
| 15:56.05 | h3x | actually |
| 15:56.09 | tholo | RoyK: Define "average customer" |
| 15:56.19 | h3x | no modification to asterisk would be possible if i use a stored procedure to rate the call afterwards |
| 15:56.25 | h3x | on INSERTs with a trigger |
| 15:56.31 | h3x | this way i could use a sip proxy too |
| 15:56.35 | h3x | or some other billing source |
| 15:56.48 | tholo | Problem with triggers and stored procedures is that they don't scale very well. |
| 15:56.57 | RoyK_T | tholo: my mom, for instance |
| 15:57.08 | h3x | It shouldn't be too bad if its written in C |
| 15:57.20 | tholo | For consumers it probably will be in Q1'04. |
| 15:57.31 | tholo | Towards the end of Q1. |
| 15:57.37 | RoyK_T | tholo: what scales better than stored procedures? |
| 15:57.45 | RoyK_T | tholo: ok |
| 15:57.54 | tholo | Corporate will be pilot customers in December and/or January, full production by February. |
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| 15:58.22 | tholo | You implement the calculations in the client end -- that way you don't impact a database server with limited scalability. |
| 15:58.52 | tholo | Even a fully populated Sun E10000 (64 CPUs) running Oracle can only do so much... |
| 15:59.13 | h3x | haha |
| 15:59.21 | h3x | sf.net's ssl certificate expired 11/23 |
| 15:59.31 | sxpert | tholo: the main problem is that it runs oracle :) |
| 15:59.37 | tholo | And I speak from experience here, having maxed such a beast out. |
| 16:00.10 | tholo | The application was then redesigned to use a more distributed database solution on smaller machines (E4800 machines), without triggers or stored procedures. |
| 16:00.19 | SplasPood | h3x: hahah |
| 16:00.38 | h3x | well cypromis said he was already using stored procedures to do billing with postgres |
| 16:00.40 | tholo | sxpert: What would you have used, starting 6 years ago? |
| 16:00.48 | SplasPood | hrm.. |
| 16:00.49 | tholo | I know. |
| 16:00.53 | SplasPood | mine says it expires in 2005 |
| 16:01.05 | SplasPood | when I load it, I mean |
| 16:01.50 | sxpert | tholo: heh |
| 16:04.25 | h3x | heh, i had to write a auction system for a dot.com back in the day |
| 16:04.28 | h3x | it was a pain in the ass |
| 16:04.31 | cypromis | we are movin away from db centric stuff becuase of the scaleability |
| 16:04.49 | cypromis | especially if you have many many parallel tasks |
| 16:04.49 | h3x | i was maintaining their mess of perl/apache crap whilst rewriting it all with pike/roxen |
| 16:05.21 | h3x | computers are cheap these days! |
| 16:05.59 | tholo | Big computers still aren't -- so if you can do more processing on your cheap front-end systems you will keep your cost down and scaleability up. |
| 16:11.53 | tclark | tholo: you are talking biz logic in stores procs dont scale right, inert/update querys as stored procs in my experince do scale bcus the db is keeping those compiled/optimized ?? |
| 16:13.13 | RoyK_T | tholo: do you know any good mysql vs postgresql benchmarks? |
| 16:13.24 | tholo | Up to a certain level -- but when your 64-CPU machine starts running constantly at 90% CPU and not have much I/O, even that may not be a good idea anymore. ;-) |
| 16:13.47 | tholo | But certainly, insert/update stored procs are not nearly as bad as bizlogic. |
| 16:14.16 | tholo | Roy: I haven't kept links and such around. Google for it or something. |
| 16:14.31 | RoyK_T | but... do you really mean mysql scales as well as oracle? |
| 16:15.07 | tclark | well dont you ask the db to do xtra work if you pass in ascii sql text that it then has to compile, i can never see why stored proces for the insert/update quesyr would cause by load ?? |
| 16:15.11 | tholo | I don't know that MySQL scales quite as far up on e.g. a 64-CPU machine as Oracle does, yet. |
| 16:15.44 | tholo | tclark: That's why / where you need prepared statements, which is one of the new things in MySQL 4.1, and Oracle has had for many years. |
| 16:16.33 | tholo | It both reduces overhead on the client/server protocol, and reduces the number of parses the server has to do on SQL statements. |
| 16:16.37 | RoyK_T | what is 'prepared statements'? |
| 16:16.47 | h3x | tclark: i just replied to your statement regarding the caller id thing |
| 16:16.48 | h3x | heh |
| 16:16.54 | h3x | its already implemented in another patch |
| 16:16.55 | h3x | for callback |
| 16:17.27 | tholo | RoyK: A "compiled" statement, so an execution plan is already made. You just need to bind input/output parameters. |
| 16:17.42 | RoyK_T | tholo: so basically a tiny stored procedure? |
| 16:17.59 | tclark | well you can prep a call to a stored proc as well, are yoiu saying a prep'd query will run just as fast as a prepd call to a stored proc, like for a inerts ? |
| 16:19.01 | tholo | tclark: Certainly -- a prepared query would certainly have no more overhead than a stored procedure, and might have less depending on the database implementation. |
| 16:19.16 | tholo | RoyK: Almost, yes. |
| 16:19.34 | RoyK_T | then what's different? |
| 16:19.57 | tholo | Well, it is not stored on the server, for one. |
| 16:20.16 | JerJer | stored procedures are still quite demanding on a db |
| 16:20.42 | RoyK_T | ok. so it's a binary pre-compiled query or something? |
| 16:20.46 | tclark | yea that is my experince in with our order/fee tables for our vertical mkt courier dispatch apps, & we have 10-20M rows in some cust that have been on line for a few yesr |
| 16:20.52 | RoyK_T | sent by the client, so the client can do the compiling? |
| 16:20.53 | JerJer | so unless your munging data already in a different db, why bother with stored procedures? |
| 16:21.14 | tclark | tholo> tclark: Certainly -- a prepared query would certainly have no more overhead than a stored procedure, and might have less depending on the database implementation |
| 16:21.21 | RoyK_T | JerJer: takes less time to compile/parse etc |
| 16:21.29 | tclark | JerJer: see above |
| 16:22.12 | tholo | RoyK: A prepared statement starts out as a standard ASCII SQL statement. |
| 16:22.12 | tholo | You tell the SQL server to "prepare" it. |
| 16:22.12 | tholo | Then you use it. |
| 16:22.15 | tholo | And use it. |
| 16:22.21 | tholo | 10.000 times. |
| 16:22.34 | tholo | Without having to have the database server "recompile" it every time you execute it. |
| 16:22.50 | tclark | same for stored proc .. |
| 16:23.20 | h3x | heh |
| 16:23.27 | tholo | Except a stored procedure will have to be looked up, and will potentially have more overhead. Depending on the database. |
| 16:23.28 | JerJer | i'm just pointing out that stored proc's are evil |
| 16:23.37 | tholo | Some stored procedures have less overhead than others. |
| 16:23.40 | JerJer | : ) |
| 16:23.55 | RoyK_T | tholo: i c |
| 16:23.56 | h3x | I just dont see how a call rating system that uses a stored proc would have much overhead. |
| 16:23.59 | tholo | Hey, wow. JerJer and I actually agree on something. Wonderes never cease! :) |
| 16:24.13 | tholo | Depends on how many calls you handle per second. |
| 16:24.14 | h3x | all you have to do is grab X digits from the terminating number |
| 16:24.27 | h3x | select it from a table for rates |
| 16:24.34 | tclark | JerJer: i just say its part of the tool kit, there is a right an wrong way to use, & ther are diff between db's yoiu have to evaluate that with some bench marks |
| 16:24.46 | h3x | multiply it by the duration, figure for min call duration and increments and shove the result in the cost |
| 16:24.52 | JerJer | h3x: you have to fork a new thread for each stored proc |
| 16:25.02 | zoa2 | i don't think you will have scalability issues with mysql for some stupid billing things |
| 16:25.05 | h3x | on postgres? |
| 16:25.13 | JerJer | postmess is even worse |
| 16:25.18 | h3x | fork? |
| 16:25.20 | zoa2 | and even if you have you could still use load balancing and replication |
| 16:25.21 | h3x | heh |
| 16:26.10 | tholo | Well, when I have a choice in wether to make it scaleable or not, I try to opt for making it scale. Even if I might not need it. |
| 16:26.22 | tholo | That way, if I end up needing it, I don't have to redo it. |
| 16:26.50 | tholo | Making things scaleable is pretty much never a mistake. |
| 16:27.06 | tclark | yoour biggest killer here any ways is a poolry desiged schema with out the correct indexs for you most common querys |
| 16:27.07 | tholo | Not making it scaleable comes back to bite you relatively often. |
| 16:28.52 | RoyK_T | http://jamesthornton.com/postgres/7.3/postgres/sql-prepare.html |
| 16:29.37 | Connor | looks like Posgress does it too.. |
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| 16:30.29 | dw | Corydon76: I added a comment to http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000583 |
| 16:31.16 | tholo | Looks like -- tho you apparently have to use a special SQL syntax instead of just saying the equivalent prepare("select a,b c from d where e=?"); |
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| 16:36.46 | ManxPower | I good comprimise is to design a system that can be extended to be scalable, not always setting it up to be scalable. i.e. Plan for the transition to a system that will scale. |
| 16:37.24 | ManxPower | i.e. writing a function that may not be fast but is easy to implement, and rewrite it later to be much faster if you need it. |
| 16:37.49 | ManxPower | Or use a system that could use stored procedures, even if you don't use them right away. |
| 16:39.29 | tholo | The problem with writing a "temporary" implementation of something is that it all too often becomes permanent. |
| 16:39.45 | ManxPower | tholo, True. |
| 16:39.52 | Mike-- | does anyonw know what the latest firmware release on a Cisco 7960 is ? |
| 16:40.08 | tholo | Other than that I don't have any problems with it. :) |
| 16:40.27 | h3x | well i guess the main thing that needs to be added to your rating engine is to calculate the retail price |
| 16:40.32 | h3x | based on the billing code |
| 16:40.40 | tholo | And peak/off-peak rates. |
| 16:40.42 | ManxPower | at least with programming a good design will allow you to rewrite the small parts that cause a bottleneck without a lot of trouble. |
| 16:40.44 | h3x | yeah |
| 16:41.00 | tholo | Someone else kinda promised to add peak/off-peak stuff to it. ;-) |
| 16:41.07 | tholo | Manx: Definitely. |
| 16:41.08 | h3x | which dosent matter to me since we dont really use it in the US anymore |
| 16:41.19 | ManxPower | I still don't think cost info should be part of the CDR. |
| 16:41.44 | h3x | of course it should |
| 16:42.00 | ManxPower | You have the destination number, the enough info to decide on a route, and the date and time. You can easily have your billing system deal with cost info. |
| 16:42.14 | h3x | what if you want real time billing, or near real time |
| 16:42.15 | tholo | Keeping stats on routes used (and their availability) should perhaps be added, too. |
| 16:42.23 | h3x | hint: calling cards |
| 16:42.33 | tholo | Real-time billing is needed for prepaid, e.g. |
| 16:42.42 | ManxPower | You don't include cost info in the httpd logs for customers you bill by the gigabyte, do you? |
| 16:42.59 | tholo | But you bill those _after the fact_. |
| 16:43.02 | h3x | No, but its not like its running on a web server |
| 16:43.30 | h3x | its nice to be able to do a simple select query and have it add up the column for say, a single day |
| 16:43.37 | tholo | If you only ever bill after the fact, and don't need e.g. credit limits, then no, you don't need to do pricing / cost information in your CDR. |
| 16:43.39 | h3x | and compare this against the carrier's bill |
| 16:44.03 | h3x | but if that was the case you wouldnt need a rating engine :P |
| 16:44.18 | ManxPower | h3x, easy enough to have a table with route + time ranges + cost / min. |
| 16:44.21 | tholo | Doing rate calculations at that time also buys you not having to do it in batch, which is not very scaleable... |
| 16:44.47 | ManxPower | tholo, I've always thought of batch processing as being more scaleable than real time. |
| 16:45.05 | h3x | Yeah i mean, you have to figure out if its on-peak/off-peak, match the country, npa/nxx if its north america- figure out the OCN of the terminating carrier maybe |
| 16:45.26 | h3x | besides, the customer should be able to go to the web site |
| 16:45.30 | ManxPower | i.e. the timeclock system doesn't have real time payment info, just employee and time ranges. The accounting system deals with pay rates. |
| 16:45.36 | h3x | login and see current billing information |
| 16:45.53 | h3x | and when their balance hits $0 for instance, it should disable their account. |
| 16:45.59 | tholo | Batch processing is not scaleable, no. |
| 16:46.11 | tholo | It can often be made to work, but that does not mean it scales. |
| 16:46.20 | h3x | since tholo cached all this stuff in memory it should be fast anyway right |
| 16:46.28 | ManxPower | tholo, I don't think we'll ever agree on that point. |
| 16:46.38 | tholo | Then we can agree to disagree. ;-) |
| 16:46.51 | ManxPower | tholo, *nod* |
| 16:47.15 | h3x | real time billing is really important, if you have international calls especially. |
| 16:47.31 | h3x | or if you are doing domestic and some asshole decides to dump all non-RBOC calls on you and they are paying less than you pay |
| 16:47.36 | h3x | on a flat rate plan |
| 16:48.11 | h3x | that could be a problem for real time billing. typically you would take >20% non-rboc calls and apply a surcharge to them |
| 16:48.41 | h3x | for inbound toll free calls in the US, you need to take ANI-II digits and see if theres prison or payphone origination and tack on the surcharge |
| 16:49.14 | tholo | Heh, I don't think the billing portion will be real-time. ;-) Would've been nice. |
| 16:49.21 | *** part/#asterisk dw (dw@cats.meow.at) |
| 16:49.47 | tclark | when is a invoice not an invoice ? |
| 16:50.02 | h3x | why not? |
| 16:50.14 | h3x | screw logging the cost, and make it log the price to the customer instead. |
| 16:50.29 | h3x | or do both |
| 16:50.58 | tholo | A bill is printed & (e-)mailed once a month. |
| 16:51.32 | h3x | I'm not gonna do it that way because ive got people that bill >$10000 per month |
| 16:51.34 | tclark | still got batch update |
| 16:51.38 | cypromis | tholo: that task is called invoicing |
| 16:51.40 | tclark | at the cut off |
| 16:52.03 | ManxPower | getting that much money from a customer would allow you to pay a programmer to implement what you need. 8-) |
| 16:52.06 | h3x | i dont see the point in even sending invoices or having a 'billing cycle' oi |
| 16:52.09 | h3x | if its all online |
| 16:52.22 | lecram | ManxPower: only if there's enough margin |
| 16:52.24 | h3x | Well half of it is cost usually so.. |
| 16:52.29 | h3x | depends |
| 16:52.41 | tclark | h3x: bcus the world revoles around billing cycles, unless you are single handly gonna chg that |
| 16:52.48 | h3x | theres a lot of monthly recurring costs i have to pay and lots of equipment and crap |
| 16:53.05 | h3x | Why do you need a billing cycle? |
| 16:53.15 | h3x | A guy deposits money in his account |
| 16:53.26 | ManxPower | What moron puts in a cable TV connection on the opposite side of the room from the television nook? |
| 16:53.29 | h3x | say, $5000. the balance is -$5000 |
| 16:53.35 | h3x | makes a call and it adds to the balance |
| 16:53.39 | ManxPower | h3x, Not everyone does prepaid |
| 16:53.47 | h3x | Even if its not prepaid. |
| 16:53.53 | cypromis | we do both |
| 16:53.56 | h3x | start as $0 and run up a bill, pay and it subtracts |
| 16:54.02 | h3x | have a billing limit |
| 16:54.11 | h3x | $0 for prepay, +$x for non-prepay |
| 16:54.16 | h3x | s/billing/credit/ |
| 16:54.21 | h3x | its the same code either way |
| 16:54.24 | ManxPower | tclark, My new apartment has the cable outlet between a window and the return 1 return air vent into the heating/cooling system. |
| 16:54.25 | tholo | So, you still need to print invoices. |
| 16:54.31 | ManxPower | In a corner |
| 16:54.33 | h3x | no |
| 16:54.55 | h3x | why the hell would you wanna pay for ink, paper, mailing, envelopes, etc |
| 16:55.02 | h3x | when every single customer you have is gonna be on the internet |
| 16:55.09 | ManxPower | 52" of space from the vent to the corner and 40" of space from the corner to the edge of the window. ALL entertainment centers seem to be larger than that. |
| 16:55.12 | h3x | i suppose calling cards is different, but they usually dont get invoices at all |
| 16:55.16 | tclark | ManxPower: was talking about the architects comment :) |
| 16:55.25 | ManxPower | h3x, I e-mail PDF bills to my customers. |
| 16:55.44 | h3x | you could do 30 day cycles or whatever simply by querying the CDR by date range and account code |
| 16:55.58 | tholo | Because companies in some countries really, really want paper invoices for accounting purposes. |
| 16:56.22 | h3x | so send em a 1-2 page summary |
| 16:56.28 | h3x | unless its a short cdr |
| 16:56.52 | h3x | billing is useless on paper |
| 16:56.54 | h3x | you cant query it |
| 16:56.59 | h3x | search for a particular phone number or something |
| 16:57.04 | ManxPower | The IRS likes paper. |
| 16:57.08 | h3x | see a graph based on whatever parameters you want |
| 16:57.14 | h3x | no, they got e-file :P |
| 16:57.20 | h3x | except for corps etc |
| 16:57.45 | ManxPower | h3x, ultimatly the best of both worlds would be the paper invoice is really just a "report". |
| 16:57.59 | h3x | i think the other problem would be percentage surcharges which would have to be calculated at time of billing |
| 16:58.02 | ManxPower | h3x, I've never heard of the IRS accepting electronic reciepts. |
| 16:58.05 | h3x | yes |
| 16:58.10 | h3x | They do |
| 16:58.24 | h3x | you can scan the stuff and store it |
| 16:58.36 | h3x | you can use credit card invoices instead of paper bills |
| 16:58.42 | ManxPower | h3x, *nod* But the original was paper. |
| 16:58.51 | Mike-- | hia all |
| 16:58.57 | h3x | like my at&t wireless account lets me turn off paper bills |
| 16:59.10 | Mike-- | anyof you guys know how to turn of the faxdetection ? |
| 16:59.17 | h3x | most of the dedicated LD providers either email your bill, have it online, or send you a CD |
| 16:59.22 | Mike-- | is messes up everything :( |
| 16:59.31 | h3x | ManxPower: chainsaw |
| 16:59.51 | ManxPower | h3x, nuh uh! |
| 16:59.51 | h3x | Mike: I dont think it does fax detection unless you have a fax extension |
| 17:00.23 | tholo | Manx: Get a couple of big jacks, and make more space. ;-) |
| 17:00.38 | ManxPower | tholo, No, I want my deposit back |
| 17:00.54 | tholo | That could be a problem, yes... ;-) |
| 17:00.59 | ManxPower | I think I may just put stuff where I want it and it fits and deal with the cableing mess that will create. |
| 17:02.20 | SplasPood | If I don't have any zaptel hardware, but I want the timing interface, isn't there a dummy module? |
| 17:02.38 | h3x | yes but you need usb uhci |
| 17:02.49 | tholo | ztdummy -- you have to edit the Makefile, and you must have an uhci USB controller. |
| 17:02.50 | h3x | uncomment ztdummy in the Makefile |
| 17:02.53 | SplasPood | I have... Whats the module? |
| 17:02.53 | h3x | jinx ! |
| 17:02.55 | SplasPood | ahh |
| 17:02.56 | SplasPood | k |
| 17:03.04 | Mike-- | h3x: yep it does |
| 17:03.05 | SplasPood | must've missed that |
| 17:03.34 | Mike-- | so I cant hook up a fax and dial out.. Asterisk will take the call and try to route it to a non-existens fax extension :( |
| 17:03.36 | h3x | tholo: what happens if the call cost is 0 by the way |
| 17:04.20 | ManxPower | Mike--, You didn't specify what is happening to your faxes. The exten => fax is for INBOUND faxing, not OUTBOUND faxing |
| 17:05.49 | SplasPood | Nov 30 12:05:36 WARNING[16384]: File chan_iax2.c, Line 5398 (set_config): Ignoring port for now |
| 17:05.52 | SplasPood | hrm.. |
| 17:06.41 | Mike-- | ManxPower: well my config is PSTN <-> * <-> PABX <-> analog fax |
| 17:07.10 | ManxPower | SplasPood, ignore that |
| 17:07.18 | Mike-- | when I tri to call out with the fax the * will detect the fax cal :( |
| 17:07.31 | Mike-- | sort of.. |
| 17:07.34 | ManxPower | Mike--, It should not. |
| 17:07.52 | Mike-- | well it does.. there is no fax extension .. |
| 17:07.57 | ManxPower | Mike--, Do you have a exten => fax? |
| 17:08.10 | ManxPower | Mike--, What error messages are there? |
| 17:08.19 | Mike-- | I've got a Quad E400p one port to the PSTN and one port to the PBX |
| 17:08.30 | Mike-- | no exten => fax |
| 17:08.31 | Mike-- | hold |
| 17:09.51 | Mike-- | this is from the PBX : exten => _.,4,Dial(Zap/g1/${EXTEN}) |
| 17:10.10 | Mike-- | everything goes to the PSTN .. |
| 17:10.33 | Mike-- | or should I do in some other way ? |
| 17:13.21 | Mike-- | does asterisk save the console error msgs somewhere ? |
| 17:14.03 | h3x | thats a bad way to do it |
| 17:14.10 | *** join/#asterisk macTijn (martijn@erica.net.insecure.nl) |
| 17:14.27 | h3x | . does make it take all digits but it could take a while becuase of digit timeout |
| 17:15.44 | edguy3 | Any mediatrix users on line? |
| 17:16.10 | SplasPood | Nov 30 12:13:43 WARNING[16384]: File db.c, Line 46 (dbinit): Unable to open Asterisk database |
| 17:16.16 | SplasPood | anyone know what that one means? |
| 17:17.15 | h3x | probably a permissions issue |
| 17:17.18 | RoyK_T | what is it a timing device does apart from what the kernel alone can do? |
| 17:18.18 | h3x | asterisk needs a high resolution timing source |
| 17:18.33 | h3x | the system clock can't provide a 1ms clock |
| 17:19.06 | tholo | And 1024 Hz (for example) is not good enough -- it must be 1000 Hz. |
| 17:19.07 | SplasPood | h3x: permissions on what tho |
| 17:19.54 | h3x | anybody had fun with sip proxies |
| 17:20.22 | RoyK_T | h3x: just setup asterisk on my firewall instead. sip -> asterisk -> iax -> asterisk |
| 17:20.31 | h3x | heh |
| 17:20.45 | h3x | well i want to use one for when i have a sip carrier and want to resell their network |
| 17:20.51 | h3x | and just pass the RTP directly along to them |
| 17:20.54 | h3x | i dont think asterisk can do that |
| 17:21.08 | RoyK_T | then why use asterisk for it? |
| 17:21.16 | h3x | I wouldn't |
| 17:21.33 | RoyK_T | h3x: hehe - use two asterisk boxes :) sip -> * -> iax -> * -> sip |
| 17:21.49 | h3x | No, i dont see the reason to eat my internet bandwidth when i dont need to |
| 17:22.14 | h3x | all i need is a sip proxy that lets me authenticate, rate, log/bill a call i guess |
| 17:22.21 | h3x | proxy it over to the carrier |
| 17:22.57 | h3x | partysip, sipd, |
| 17:23.07 | *** join/#asterisk ^sly^ (~jelque@adsl-67-66-121-110.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) |
| 17:23.49 | bkw_ | someone give me 400 bucks |
| 17:24.06 | Mike | bkw_: what are you after? |
| 17:24.36 | bkw_ | every gets pissy when you use the one that runs my home phones |
| 17:24.49 | h3x | ahhahahaha |
| 17:24.57 | h3x | been ther edone that |
| 17:25.03 | bkw_ | "Why cant I make a phone call" |
| 17:25.07 | bkw_ | "Why does it hangup on me" |
| 17:25.08 | bkw_ | haha |
| 17:25.12 | bkw_ | its really funny |
| 17:25.16 | h3x | yep |
| 17:25.20 | h3x | or |
| 17:25.24 | h3x | "why did all the phones just start ringing" |
| 17:25.27 | h3x | (with no cadence) |
| 17:25.31 | Mike | "that pbx thing doesnt work" |
| 17:25.45 | h3x | and a "OH FUCK ZAPTEL CRASHED" coming out of my mouth in the computer room |
| 17:25.57 | bkw_ | h3x I have sip phone all over the house |
| 17:26.01 | h3x | oh |
| 17:26.18 | Mike | bkw_: barbie tones? |
| 17:26.34 | h3x | You know, i hate to say it but i really dont see the point of the call routing logic in tholo's code vs. using enum |
| 17:26.54 | h3x | other than the fact that you cant easily do on-off peak without changing the tables |
| 17:27.14 | h3x | DNS queries are really fast anyway |
| 17:28.08 | Mike | hey guys what the normal rxgain and txgain so its the same volume as normal phone land lines? |
| 17:28.13 | Mike | 1.5? |
| 17:28.15 | Mike | 3.0? |
| 17:28.17 | Mike | 5.0? |
| 17:28.20 | RoyK_T | 1.0 |
| 17:28.32 | RoyK_T | iirc |
| 17:29.05 | h3x | I just donno what to use for authentication though |
| 17:32.47 | h3x | Why isnt there a retrieve_iax_conf_from_mysql.pl |
| 17:33.07 | h3x | bkw_: have you done any unixodbc integration of retrieve* |
| 17:33.10 | RoyK_T | because noone's written it? |
| 17:36.07 | h3x | more importantly |
| 17:37.02 | bkw_ | h3x no |
| 17:37.03 | bkw_ | not yet |
| 17:37.25 | RoyK_T | bkw_: is there such a thing for any dot conf files? |
| 17:37.55 | bkw_ | not yet |
| 17:38.03 | h3x | im thinking about writing a dirty call rating system to put in that |
| 17:40.46 | *** join/#asterisk guest (~6667@hoochie.digium.com) |
| 17:41.12 | guest | hi |
| 17:41.12 | SplasPood | Nov 30 12:41:01 NOTICE[65541]: File chan_iax.c, Line 3861 (socket_read): Rejected connect attempt from 160.79.94.171, request 'exten=1000;callerid="Cell" <9176629826>;language=en;context=local;username=1156AOA;formats=2;capability=65283;version=1;adsicpe=2' |
| 17:41.26 | SplasPood | ugh... I wish that were a tad more descriptive |
| 17:41.27 | guest | i want to initiate in this field |
| 17:41.52 | JerJer | SplasPood: you don't have a type=user with proper settings |
| 17:42.11 | SplasPood | JerJer: oh.. I have a type=friend |
| 17:42.41 | guest | heeeehooooooooo there is some body here to help me |
| 17:43.19 | SplasPood | JerJer: I changed it to type=user, and I get the same.. |
| 17:43.25 | guest | i have a problem, i want to be initiated in armestik |
| 17:44.07 | guest | asterik, it consist in what please?? |
| 17:44.24 | JerJer | SplasPood: then you don't have a proper host or secret line |
| 17:44.28 | SplasPood | guest: You wish to be inducted to the order of asterisk wizards? |
| 17:44.56 | guest | what mean that?? |
| 17:45.00 | guest | explain please |
| 17:45.11 | SplasPood | JerJer: Heh.. The secrets match and host=160.79.94.171 |
| 17:45.11 | SplasPood | guest: I'm screwing with you.. |
| 17:45.29 | RoyK_T | ~asterisk |
| 17:45.31 | | Asterisk is a PBX (Private Branch eXchange) and telephony toolkit. URL: ftp://ftp.asteriskpbx.com/pub/asterisk/ |
| 17:45.43 | guest | ok, you can give me a hand |
| 17:45.47 | guest | ;-) |
| 17:45.55 | JerJer | SplasPood: are you register'ing on the other end? you shouldn't be |
| 17:46.12 | JerJer | when/where is the message happening? |
| 17:46.42 | SplasPood | JerJer: no registration at all... Both sides have configs in iax.conf for the opposite server... Call is coming into server A (160.79.94.171) and being routed via IAX to server B (where i'm seeing the message) |
| 17:46.44 | RoyK_T | guest: what do you want to do with *? |
| 17:47.18 | JerJer | SplasPood: so your doing IAX2/server_a@server_b ? |
| 17:47.40 | JerJer | prototype: IAX2/user@peer |
| 17:47.51 | JerJer | then on the local machine you need a type=peer with proper information |
| 17:47.56 | guest | i 'm working in dialogic cards , but now i must use this this new technologie |
| 17:47.59 | JerJer | and the far end needs a type=user with proper information |
| 17:48.03 | SplasPood | JerJer: yea, user:pass@peer, but that |
| 17:48.03 | SplasPood | local machine? |
| 17:48.31 | guest | tell me, what version of linux we use, red hat or others |
| 17:48.47 | guest | i have no information |
| 17:48.59 | SplasPood | JerJer: Well the idea is to eventually go back and forth... Calls routed outside here will go from server B to server A... So shouldn't they both be peers? |
| 17:49.07 | JerJer | no |
| 17:49.12 | SplasPood | guest: any version of linux /w kernel 2.4 ... I'd suggest debian |
| 17:49.32 | JerJer | then you'll need a type=user on the near end and a type=peer on the far end |
| 17:50.00 | guest | well, you can transmit me any dcumentation for debutant |
| 17:50.13 | SplasPood | JerJer: I don't understand why it wouldn't be the same on both ends... They're both equal in routing.. |
| 17:50.21 | SplasPood | guest: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 17:50.22 | JerJer | RTFM |
| 17:50.37 | JerJer | a type=peer is for authenticating calls |
| 17:50.41 | JerJer | we |
| 17:50.41 | JerJer | dshit |
| 17:50.43 | JerJer | shit |
| 17:50.44 | JerJer | start over |
| 17:50.50 | JerJer | a type=user is for authenticating inbound calls |
| 17:50.58 | JerJer | a type=peer is for sending calls to another iax endpoint |
| 17:51.28 | SplasPood | and type=friend is for both, no? |
| 17:51.41 | JerJer | no |
| 17:51.49 | JerJer | type=friend is EVIL |
| 17:51.55 | SplasPood | hehe |
| 17:51.55 | SplasPood | ok |
| 17:52.17 | SplasPood | So if I wanted both servers to pass calls back and forth... Do I need 2 stanzas in each iax.conf ? |
| 17:52.25 | JerJer | yep |
| 17:52.32 | JerJer | and yes they can be the same name |
| 17:52.45 | SplasPood | thats semi-retarded IMHO :) |
| 17:52.59 | *** join/#asterisk guest (~6667@hoochie.digium.com) |
| 17:53.46 | RoyK_T | hm |
| 17:53.52 | RoyK_T | where's libpq-fe.h? |
| 17:54.04 | JerJer | SplasPood: !? |
| 17:54.11 | guest | karima here, i'm initiating in this technologie |
| 17:54.42 | SplasPood | JerJer: well it didn't work... I made 2 copies of each user on both sides, 1 as a peer, the other as a user |
| 17:55.04 | guest | i was working with dialogic cards |
| 17:55.08 | JerJer | SplasPood: its not that simple |
| 17:55.15 | JerJer | a type=peer has to have specific information |
| 17:55.26 | JerJer | and a type=user has different requirements |
| 17:55.29 | SplasPood | whats the major diff? |
| 17:56.38 | guest | to stating the exploitation , what we must install on linux machines?? |
| 17:56.43 | h3x | Ok this is really sick but im gonna try this idea for LCR tables. MyDNS (SQL DNS server with positive and negative caching) -> postgres -> view of naptr's |
| 17:57.22 | *** join/#asterisk karima (~karima@hoochie.digium.com) |
| 17:57.44 | bkw_ | w00t |
| 17:58.22 | JerJer | dish 500 ? |
| 17:58.29 | karima | to start working , what we shoud install in linux machine?? |
| 17:58.48 | JerJer | h3x: why for? |
| 17:58.48 | h3x | the table view would gather rates by left joining npa/nxx list on ocns and latas, and carrier rate tables |
| 17:58.58 | h3x | move the decimal place over and make that the priority |
| 17:59.02 | h3x | (the cost) |
| 17:59.05 | karima | any answer heeeeeeeeeeeeere |
| 17:59.19 | karima | it's just a simple question? |
| 17:59.33 | h3x | because its easier than writing a script that outputs bind zone files probably |
| 17:59.42 | h3x | maybe |
| 18:00.24 | JerJer | i don't run postmess, so i'd just bang out a perl script |
| 18:00.42 | h3x | well it would work with either mysql or postgres |
| 18:00.57 | h3x | kind of have to use postgres because views suck on mysql i think |
| 18:01.00 | h3x | if they even exist |
| 18:01.26 | karima | please answer my question here?? |
| 18:01.54 | karima | what we must install in linux machine to start working?? |
| 18:02.09 | Mike | karima: best choise |
| 18:02.21 | Mike | karima: get your favorite linux flavor |
| 18:02.36 | karima | and what's il?? |
| 18:02.37 | Mike | karima: redhat, debian, suse what ever distro you like |
| 18:02.49 | Mike | karima: il? |
| 18:02.55 | karima | what ils the best in you idae?? |
| 18:03.07 | Mike | karima: the one you like most |
| 18:03.10 | h3x | it probably dosent support wildcards though |
| 18:03.11 | h3x | hm |
| 18:03.15 | JerJer | h3x: are your routes going to change that much? |
| 18:03.23 | karima | you work in what system?? |
| 18:03.36 | JerJer | i'm researching TRIP, atm |
| 18:03.51 | Mike | karima: debian, but if your new to linux please choose another distro |
| 18:04.00 | karima | like?? |
| 18:04.06 | Mike | karima: redhat maybe |
| 18:04.07 | h3x | Probably not, but i was thinking of a system that would work with things besides asterisk. |
| 18:04.08 | coil | redhat |
| 18:04.37 | karima | ok, and what about the soft and the driver?? |
| 18:06.34 | Mike | karima: linux is not windows |
| 18:06.49 | karima | i know that |
| 18:07.16 | Mike | karima: then you should know linux includes its drivers on its kernel |
| 18:07.18 | karima | but we have to deal with and soft , no?? |
| 18:07.25 | JerJer | h3x: yeah unforunately the way we have implemented ENUM here is asterisk specific, currently |
| 18:07.30 | Mike | karima: redhat includes its software |
| 18:07.36 | karima | ok, |
| 18:07.38 | Mike | karima: learn about linux before trying asterisk |
| 18:07.39 | bkw_ | lalalallalalalal |
| 18:07.54 | coil | bkw_: EAD |
| 18:08.02 | karima | the card software i mean, like cvox for dialogic cards?? |
| 18:08.08 | Mike | bkw_: im on top 20 now:P |
| 18:08.20 | JerJer | karima: or pay someone to deal with your linux/asterisk skillset |
| 18:08.21 | Mike | bkw_: soon ill kick you to second place |
| 18:08.30 | Mike | bkw_: http://www.tric.nl/~cg/asterisk.html |
| 18:08.48 | karima | jer jer tais toi je vous pas adresser la parole ok |
| 18:08.51 | Mike | bkw_: slowly getting there:P you wont even notice when you got your second place |
| 18:09.32 | coil | uranus cancelled |
| 18:10.09 | bkw_ | NEVER gonna happy |
| 18:10.10 | bkw_ | sorry |
| 18:10.43 | Mike | bkw_: if you continue your development stuff it will:) |
| 18:11.59 | bkw_ | nope |
| 18:12.08 | bkw_ | I still talk alot when i'm doing dev work |
| 18:12.47 | bkw_ | 7 blitzrage 6779 "bkw_: that's why I could get away with being in porn :)" |
| 18:12.52 | bkw_ | blitzrage when did you say that? |
| 18:13.35 | h3x | ahahaha im number 12 |
| 18:13.40 | Mike | 18 denon3393"nobody said anything about cash :)" |
| 18:13.43 | Mike | thats sick |
| 18:13.44 | Mike | :) |
| 18:13.44 | h3x | JESUS |
| 18:13.49 | h3x | 34,799 lines ?"!? |
| 18:14.38 | Mike | h3x: sick people |
| 18:14.55 | h3x | you know whats really funny |
| 18:14.57 | h3x | kram isnt on the list |
| 18:15.18 | h3x | hes probably got like 50 lines or something |
| 18:15.21 | bkw_ | haha |
| 18:15.25 | bkw_ | h3x yes I talk alot |
| 18:15.28 | bkw_ | can ya tell? |
| 18:16.59 | Mike | bkw_: had you try asterisk on a dsl line? |
| 18:17.09 | bkw_ | I use it on DSL daily |
| 18:17.11 | Mike | bkw_: like using the line where the dsl is on? |
| 18:17.17 | h3x | bkw_ spoke a total of 191944 words! |
| 18:17.19 | Mike | bkw_: do you get echo on that line? |
| 18:17.26 | h3x | see, REAL TIME ACCOUNTING |
| 18:17.29 | h3x | IF A FUCKING BOT CAN DO IT.... |
| 18:17.29 | bkw_ | nope |
| 18:17.31 | h3x | $!#^$@!^$@!^$@#!^%$!%$! |
| 18:17.35 | bkw_ | haha |
| 18:17.47 | h3x | actually thats probably batch processing |
| 18:17.48 | doughecka | bkw_: hmm, so ilbc uses somewhere around 5 KB/s? |
| 18:17.53 | Mike | bkw_: is it the filter the problem? |
| 18:17.57 | bkw_ | doughecka 3.5 |
| 18:18.07 | doughecka | thats after all the overhead? |
| 18:18.10 | bkw_ | Mike doubt it |
| 18:18.16 | bkw_ | doughecka yes |
| 18:18.25 | doughecka | wow |
| 18:18.38 | bkw_ | gsm is 4.0 KB/s |
| 18:18.40 | doughecka | so work fine on dialup then :) |
| 18:18.41 | Mike | bkw_: echo cancel cant stabilize on dsl lines? |
| 18:18.51 | bkw_ | Mike that shouldn't matter |
| 18:18.55 | Mike | doughecka: you counting with RTP? |
| 18:19.04 | bkw_ | Mike yes i'm counting rtp |
| 18:19.11 | JerJer | damit the fun is over :( |
| 18:19.16 | h3x | isnt gsm 13 ? |
| 18:19.19 | Mike | bkw_: well i get the echo cancel then i get it back then it cancel etc and a guy last night told me its the dsl line |
| 18:19.23 | doughecka | sweet |
| 18:19.29 | doughecka | JerJer: lol |
| 18:19.32 | Mike | bkw_: the dsl wont let echo cancellation get stable |
| 18:19.37 | h3x | you mean bytes eh |
| 18:19.52 | JerJer | doughecka: a story finally hit slashdot about torrent files and DNS storage |
| 18:21.06 | bkw_ | Mike what does DSL have to do with it |
| 18:21.09 | bkw_ | NOTHING AT ALL |
| 18:21.28 | JerJer | it was something that not many ppl really knew about, unless u where quite plugged into the whole bit torent scene |
| 18:21.38 | h3x | the sad thing is bkw is 2nd in line for the insomniac award |
| 18:21.49 | bkw_ | h3x how so? |
| 18:21.53 | bkw_ | who's first? |
| 18:21.57 | h3x | well most of yours is blue |
| 18:22.09 | h3x | doughecka |
| 18:22.18 | h3x | altho thats a percentage |
| 18:22.20 | bkw_ | h3x not in my timezone |
| 18:22.23 | h3x | true |
| 18:22.31 | bkw_ | h3x thats calced on a diffrent timezone than me |
| 18:22.34 | h3x | what TZ is this |
| 18:22.43 | Mike | Nov 30 00:51:04 <coppice_> Mike: especially if you are a long way from the exchange, and the ADSL modem is running at full power. |
| 18:22.43 | Mike | Nov 30 00:50:08 <coppice_> Mike: it can do. ADSL can really upset some phones, even when you have microfilters attached. That keeps altering the echo pattern, and a canceller may not be able to get a stable adaptation to the echo |
| 18:23.01 | Mike | Nov 30 00:59:34 <coppice_> Mike: Its not that they get echo. You phone echos. If the far end it trying to echo cancel that, it needs a stable echo pattern to work with. Id the noise from the ADSL signal is upsetting your analogue phone, and making it echo behaviour constantly change the canceller gets screwed. |
| 18:23.40 | bkw_ | Mike I don't see that happen |
| 18:24.24 | bkw_ | but coppice knows what he's talkina bout |
| 18:24.25 | Mike | Nov 30 01:04:12 <coppice_> Mike: Pot luck! |
| 18:24.25 | Mike | Nov 30 01:03:51 <Mike> coppice_: so what could it help in my case? |
| 18:24.44 | bkw_ | dont know what to tell you.. get a better filter |
| 18:25.11 | h3x | ohhh sweeeeet |
| 18:25.13 | Mike | he says also |
| 18:25.19 | h3x | theres a weather module for asterisk!@ |
| 18:25.22 | Mike | if you live near the exchange you get better chanses |
| 18:25.32 | Mike | Nov 30 01:13:51 <coppice_> Mike: you can try bitching to your ISP. A change of modem might help. Are you a long way from the exchange? It doesn't usually happen if you are near, as the power from the modems throttles back. |
| 18:25.40 | h3x | i can use it for 702-777-TIME |
| 18:25.53 | SplasPood | Someone wanna point me to some good docs on linking 2 asterisk servers together over IAX... The howto on voip-info.org doesn't seem to be right.. |
| 18:26.26 | Mike | SplasPood: make both servers register against each other |
| 18:26.53 | Mike | SplasPood: then add the extensions to dial IAX username:password@remoteserver |
| 18:26.55 | Mike | etc |
| 18:27.07 | SplasPood | Mike: Well they're not dynamic hosts... I setup 2 entries.. 1 in each iax.conf |
| 18:27.11 | SplasPood | mike: [asterisk1], [asterisk2] .. |
| 18:27.30 | Mike | SplasPood: i also use dynamic |
| 18:27.33 | Mike | oh |
| 18:27.36 | Mike | not dynamic |
| 18:27.54 | SplasPood | well I guess I could set them up that way.. but they do both have static ips |
| 18:28.10 | Mike | we should do a proyect to link all our servers with iax2 |
| 18:28.12 | Mike | :P |
| 18:28.14 | Mike | would be fun |
| 18:28.19 | Mike | all the channel conected via iax2 |
| 18:28.31 | Mike | SplasPood: i have this on extensions.conf |
| 18:28.32 | h3x | er. i mean 777-TEMP |
| 18:28.36 | SplasPood | my other channel has a bunch of us connected to each other over IPIP tunnels |
| 18:28.49 | Mike | ; Exten 108 fourt extension at the office |
| 18:28.49 | Mike | exten => 109,1,Dial(IAX2/${USERPASS}@${OFIHOST}/109@${CONTEX}) |
| 18:29.02 | Mike | ${USERPASS} its username:password |
| 18:29.09 | SplasPood | Mike: it's not extentions.conf ... When a call comes into server A, it gets routed to server B... On server b's log I see this: |
| 18:29.10 | *** join/#asterisk bigunk (~trillian@adsl-63-204-251-35.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 18:29.13 | Mike | ${OFIHOST} is my ip or host to the office |
| 18:29.20 | SplasPood | ov 30 12:54:10 NOTICE[65541]: File chan_iax.c, Line 3861 (socket_read): Rejected connect attempt from 160.79.94.171, request 'exten=1000;callerid="Cell" <9176629826>;language=en;context=local;username=1156AOA;formats=2;capability=65283;version=1;adsicpe=2' |
| 18:30.05 | ciego34 | mike el * quita el sueño??? |
| 18:30.08 | Mike | SplasPood: dunno |
| 18:30.12 | Mike | ciego34: si |
| 18:30.37 | ciego34 | yo dormi una horas, ya estoy por aca de nuevo :) |
| 18:30.52 | ciego34 | como va tu *?? |
| 18:31.11 | *** join/#asterisk IronHelix (IronHelix@ool-182c7020.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:31.25 | Mike | ciego34: llevo menos de 1 mes |
| 18:31.40 | Mike | ciego34: ya puedo hacer casi todo lo que quiero hacer con asterisk |
| 18:31.52 | Mike | ciego34: me faltan cosas muy chicas ya por completar |
| 18:33.01 | ciego34 | que bien, el mio estubo funcionando mientras dormia y ha funcionado bien :):) por suerte, yo solo tengo lo basico y un poco mas |
| 18:33.16 | Mike | ciego34: cuanto llevas con * |
| 18:33.17 | Mike | ? |
| 18:33.24 | ciego34 | una semana |
| 18:34.07 | Mike | yo he soñado un par de veces con * este mes |
| 18:34.08 | Mike | :P |
| 18:34.17 | ciego34 | :P |
| 18:34.19 | Mike | ciego34: ya tienes tu x100p? |
| 18:34.59 | ciego34 | hoy ni soñe.... si, hace 7 dias |
| 18:35.49 | Mike | desde que empesaste con * tienes tu x100p? que envidia |
| 18:36.00 | Mike | yo apenas el jueves tengo mi x100p |
| 18:36.09 | ciego34 | mañana me llega una pci FRIZT para conectarme via isdn |
| 18:36.09 | ciego34 | y el miercoles la tdm40 |
| 18:36.24 | Mike | he tenido problemas de echo pues tengo la linea del dsl y no deja que entre el echo canceler |
| 18:36.40 | ciego34 | QoS |
| 18:36.43 | SplasPood | Nov 30 13:34:15 WARNING[65541]: File chan_iax.c, Line 3944 (socket_read): Call rejected by 192.75.207.34: No authority found |
| 18:36.48 | ciego34 | es algo que me queda por ver |
| 18:36.49 | Mike | ciego34: almenos tienes dinero para comprar juguetes |
| 18:37.07 | Mike | ciego34: yo he tenido muchos problemas por falta de jueguetes |
| 18:37.22 | ciego34 | ya, leo boxkey de dish para tener dinero :P |
| 18:37.23 | JerJer | SplasPood: ok that means you are requesting a context that you do not have authority to use |
| 18:37.36 | Mike | ciego34: has oido de humexico? |
| 18:38.13 | SplasPood | ahh |
| 18:38.19 | ciego34 | estoy en españa, antes cuando estaba en cuba jugaba con las hu |
| 18:38.20 | Connor | hey, talk english! |
| 18:38.53 | ciego34 | i come from bed, need some time for start to think in english |
| 18:39.46 | ciego34 | mike, cual es la web de humexico ?? |
| 18:40.05 | SplasPood | JerJer: thats odd... the Dial line is calling context intern, which is what the context= lines in the second server's iax.conf have |
| 18:40.07 | Mike | Connor: english is not my first language, and i can't really make good phrases |
| 18:40.08 | *** join/#asterisk blitzrage (~hacklocal@dsl-163.sarnia.xcelco.on.ca) |
| 18:40.15 | Mike | ciego34: www.humexico.org |
| 18:40.20 | ciego34 | cuando vivia en cuba los gordos de hu estaban en la frotenram mex-usa y canada-sua |
| 18:40.29 | doughecka | ~x es en cuando vivia en cuba los gordos de hu estaban en la frotenram mex-usa y canada-sua |
| 18:40.30 | SplasPood | JerJer: could it be that the extention doesn't exist? |
| 18:40.41 | doughecka | AHAHA |
| 18:40.49 | doughecka | ~x es en estoy en españa, antes cuando estaba en cuba jugaba con las hu |
| 18:41.13 | Mike | damn bot encryptation its blown:P |
| 18:41.21 | ciego34 | thanks, doughecka |
| 18:41.21 | doughecka | hah |
| 18:41.39 | doughecka | ~x en es your welcome, speak german? |
| 18:41.45 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:41.57 | doughecka | because I dont speak any languenge cept for english |
| 18:42.05 | Connor | ~x en es I good greif, Just talk in english! |
| 18:42.10 | ciego34 | no.. only spanish an little inglish |
| 18:42.33 | Mike | i had a 2 hour video tape to learn english |
| 18:42.41 | Mike | very simple language |
| 18:42.49 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:42.52 | doughecka | 2 hour? |
| 18:43.02 | doughecka | sheesh, engrish is worse |
| 18:43.03 | Mike | well i dont have a good spelling or i dont really make sense many times |
| 18:43.04 | Mike | but yes |
| 18:43.08 | Mike | i had a 2 hours video tape |
| 18:43.10 | doughecka | hopefully you wont learn it |
| 18:43.23 | doughecka | 2 hour video tape |
| 18:43.25 | tz-afk | what happened to the bot? |
| 18:43.37 | Mike | doughecka: yes |
| 18:43.39 | doughecka | yea, I can see its not perfect :) |
| 18:43.47 | Mike | tzanger: when do you expect your wisip? |
| 18:43.54 | tzanger | Mike: no idea |
| 18:43.58 | tzanger | you'll hear about it here when I get it |
| 18:44.02 | Mike | doughecka: it aint perfect but it took me 2 hours of my life |
| 18:44.03 | doughecka | ~x en es moo cow donkey horse pig |
| 18:44.07 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:44.14 | doughecka | Mike: heh |
| 18:44.27 | Mike | tzanger: what country are you in? |
| 18:44.37 | Connor | ~x es en cerdo del caballo del burro de la vaca del MOO |
| 18:44.40 | Mike | doughecka: take a 2 hour tape of spanish lets see who learns more |
| 18:44.41 | Mike | :P |
| 18:44.48 | Connor | ROFL |
| 18:44.52 | many | heh. nice. |
| 18:45.15 | Connor | double translations are always funny. |
| 18:45.26 | tzanger | I need to talk to Coppice and find out how difficult it'd be to monitor a modem conversation... see what my ExpressVu dish is talking to |
| 18:45.27 | Mike | Connor: try a tripple |
| 18:45.28 | Mike | :P |
| 18:45.32 | tzanger | Mike: Canada |
| 18:45.41 | Connor | ~x en es pig of the horse of the donkey of the cow of the MOO |
| 18:45.51 | doughecka | ~x es de cerdo del caballo del burro de la vaca del MOO |
| 18:46.00 | many | HAHA |
| 18:46.04 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:46.06 | doughecka | amazing |
| 18:46.09 | Mike | see? |
| 18:46.12 | doughecka | alot of detail in such a short sentance |
| 18:46.15 | ciego34 | hey mike, funny humexico, they don´t let me access from europe, must go to a usa ssh tunnel for see the web |
| 18:46.17 | Mike | it always gets sooo screw |
| 18:46.27 | Connor | ~x es en cerdo del caballo del burro de la vaca del MOO |
| 18:46.28 | Mike | ciego34: really? |
| 18:46.48 | ciego34 | yes |
| 18:47.08 | ciego34 | es tuya la web? |
| 18:47.18 | tzanger | ~x en pl I am using english to polish translation software! |
| 18:47.30 | Mike | ciego34: yo ayude a montarla la primera ves no se nada de dtv o dish pero si algo de linux |
| 18:47.59 | Connor | ~x es en yo ayude a montarla la primera ves no se nada de dtv o dish pero si algo de linux |
| 18:48.04 | ciego34 | mike: need to play with dreambox |
| 18:48.16 | ciego34 | linux PVR |
| 18:48.18 | Mike | that translation sucked |
| 18:48.34 | Connor | What did you mean to say Mike ? |
| 18:48.58 | Mike | even if the bot takes the 2 hour video tape could do better translation |
| 18:49.15 | *** join/#asterisk doughecka (~rooot@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 18:49.33 | many | ~x de fi jbot ist doof. |
| 18:49.46 | Mike | i helped puting it the first time i dont know anything on dtv or dish but i do know something on linux |
| 18:49.47 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:49.48 | Connor | re-translate yo ayude a montarla la primera ves no se nada de dtv o dish pero si algo de linux in correct english |
| 18:49.50 | many | wusst ichds doch. |
| 18:50.44 | Mike | <Mike> i helped puting it the first time i dont know anything on dtv or dish but i do know something on linux |
| 18:51.03 | Mike | thats a translation from a 2 hour video course |
| 18:51.08 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:51.14 | Mike | shall we tell the bot to see the tape? |
| 18:51.25 | doughecka | well |
| 18:51.31 | doughecka | it doesnt translate |
| 18:51.34 | *** join/#asterisk jtodd (~jtodd@207.141.153.205) |
| 18:51.36 | doughecka | it uses altavista bablefish |
| 18:51.41 | doughecka | YO JTODD! |
| 18:51.47 | doughecka | greetings and salutations |
| 18:52.14 | Connor | Correct tranaslation would be. I helped put it IN the first time. I don't know anythong about dtv or dish, but I do know something ABOUT linux. |
| 18:52.14 | jtodd | Good afternoon, doughecka! |
| 18:52.22 | Mike | ~x cable |
| 18:52.30 | jtodd | I will probably be appearing and disappearing as I wrestle with this IRC client. |
| 18:52.36 | doughecka | haha |
| 18:53.02 | Mike | Connor: i see you took a longer video course |
| 18:53.03 | Connor | What IRC client you using? |
| 18:53.23 | Mike | Connor: ebay? walt-mart? |
| 18:53.36 | bkw_ | jtodd good not *-6-settings... I have needed that for a long time now |
| 18:53.40 | bkw_ | s/not/note/ |
| 18:54.08 | jtodd | Yeah, that's ninja secret #193 on the "Secret Cisco Book Of Runes" |
| 18:54.18 | Connor | Mike: Ya, My hole damn life.. English classes sucked |
| 18:54.43 | Mike | Connor: i just learn it last month |
| 18:55.00 | Mike | Connor: had to, reading * mailing list forced me |
| 18:55.15 | Connor | You went a lurnet gud. :) |
| 18:55.38 | _asr_ | yo |
| 18:55.49 | _asr_ | anyone know why i'd get a lot of these when using x-lite/ulaw? |
| 18:55.50 | _asr_ | File rtp.c, Line 417 (ast_rtp_read): Unknown RTP codec 72 received |
| 18:55.52 | JerJer | jtodd: star star pound star star is the Skinny firmware reboot command |
| 18:56.07 | Mike | well im OFF to eat something |
| 18:56.11 | jtodd | JerJer: Ah, thank you. |
| 18:56.12 | Mike | maybe some good tacos |
| 18:56.17 | JerJer | _asr_: sounds like comfort noise |
| 18:56.19 | Mike | be back in a few |
| 18:56.32 | Connor | VAD maybe ? |
| 18:56.43 | JerJer | vad == 19 |
| 18:56.45 | bkw_ | ~google Unknown RTP codec 72 received |
| 18:57.14 | Connor | Who's bot is that anyways? |
| 18:57.15 | bkw_ | seems to be covered in google pretty good |
| 18:57.43 | doughecka | timriker |
| 18:57.52 | many | timwho? :) |
| 18:58.01 | doughecka | timriker |
| 18:58.10 | many | ~seen timriker |
| 18:58.12 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #pet, 4d 18h 32m 58s ago, saying: 'later'. |
| 18:58.20 | many | ah. |
| 18:58.51 | Connor | So, is bug 487 a bug or not bkw? |
| 18:58.54 | many | ugh. dang. the i8x0 driver sucks for nforce2. |
| 18:58.58 | _asr_ | yeah, buch of posts with people asking about what it means |
| 18:59.05 | _asr_ | i've yet to see any solutions : |
| 18:59.56 | bkw_ | Connor no its not a bug.. its working as designed |
| 19:00.08 | bkw_ | you can trasfer a call and connect it to an existing parked call |
| 19:00.38 | Connor | Why would it anounce the extension is invlaid to the person being transfer instead of the person DOING the transfer? |
| 19:01.08 | *** join/#asterisk erik2 (~eanders@host-127-202-220-24.midco.net) |
| 19:01.11 | bkw_ | because it answers and their is no call parked on that extension |
| 19:01.15 | bkw_ | its doing exactly as it should |
| 19:01.32 | bkw_ | now if their was a call parked at 701 it would connect the second call that you transfer to that extension |
| 19:02.08 | bkw_ | brb food o'clock |
| 19:02.26 | ciego34 | hi, having a problem with voicemail, i receive a msg, delete it, but * is like more msg on spool but none |
| 19:02.33 | Connor | If I transfer someone to 701, and 701 doesn't exist, should it not come back and tell ME invalid extension instead of the person I'm transfering? |
| 19:02.36 | *** join/#asterisk izo (~izo@host-221-12.tele2.pl) |
| 19:03.01 | Connor | I don't care if it's doing what it's coded to do, it's bad logic. the person being transfered should never get the IVR prompt. |
| 19:03.55 | bkw_ | nope they should |
| 19:04.14 | bkw_ | brb I will explain more |
| 19:04.43 | bkw_ | the patch on the bug kinda fixes it |
| 19:04.47 | bkw_ | haven't tested the newest one |
| 19:05.20 | h3x | one thing im working on for the resident adsi script is a prompt for transfer |
| 19:05.47 | h3x | on inbound calls, you hit the transfer softkey and you can punch in a number and enter, it will do #ext hangup |
| 19:05.55 | h3x | on outbound calls it will flash, ext number, onhook |
| 19:06.06 | h3x | so you can use the backspace key to backup |
| 19:06.40 | h3x | i guess i shouldnt make it hangup in case you want to announce |
| 19:07.08 | Connor | All I know is, when I transfer somone to a invalid extension outside of the parking pool, it works the way it's suppose to.. when I miss-keyed the park extension to 701 instead of 700, It hung up on me and told the part being transfered invalid extension, That sounds like a bug to me, even if by design, it's producing undesirable results. |
| 19:07.18 | ciego34 | hi, having a problem with voicemail, i receive a msg, delete it, but * is like more msg on spool but none |
| 19:07.26 | ciego34 | must !rm /var/spool/asterisk/voicemail/default/2000/INBOX/* for clean |
| 19:08.50 | bkw_ | Connor ya it sonds like a bug but its not! :P Change your parking ext from 700 and the orbits to like 720-740 or something |
| 19:10.43 | *** join/#asterisk rollyson (jrollyson@adsl-68-78-10-173.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) |
| 19:11.22 | h3x | is there a way to do a SIP transfer, but still know what the call duration is |
| 19:11.33 | Connor | Right, and it will do the same thing if I transfer someone to 720.. If 720 doesn't have someone parked, then it sould tell you so. Not tell the trsfered party then hang you up. |
| 19:11.35 | h3x | oh, and i dont wanna give authentication info to the client |
| 19:12.17 | h3x | Connor: it wouldn't but i assume you are doing some kind of voip transfer? |
| 19:12.45 | Connor | Wouldn't matter.. This is using the # transfer with asterisk. |
| 19:12.55 | h3x | oh |
| 19:13.28 | h3x | unfortunately transfer and park arent integrated close enough together to do something like that probably |
| 19:13.36 | h3x | easily |
| 19:13.40 | Connor | bkw insists that it isn't a bug, that it's doing what it's suppose to... I'm saying if it's not a bug, it's still broken functionality or bad logic. |
| 19:13.58 | bkw_ | and if you read the bug notes.. I tell you how to fix it |
| 19:14.02 | *** join/#asterisk Idiafix (Idiafix@a213-22-50-141.netcabo.pt) |
| 19:14.05 | h3x | dosen't have that problem if you are doing a flash transfer on a pots phone |
| 19:14.20 | h3x | or, using a sip or iax transfer on a voip phone |
| 19:15.07 | Corydon76 | bkw_: why is memset relevant to memory allocation? |
| 19:16.09 | bkw_ | I used it in cdr_unixodbc instead of alloca like cdr_mysql.c did |
| 19:16.27 | bkw_ | its what JerJer showed me in some mysql examples |
| 19:16.38 | Corydon76 | memset() only initializes memory; it does not allocate it. |
| 19:16.41 | Connor | I'm not gonna fix this bug, I was just reporting it... I'll leave it up to the * team to figure it out, but it sure looked like a bug to me. |
| 19:17.00 | Connor | Be back in a while.. Gotta go do some CF programming. |
| 19:17.42 | bkw_ | Corydon76 alloca looks evil |
| 19:17.45 | bkw_ | haha |
| 19:17.53 | bkw_ | just the man page scares me |
| 19:18.07 | Corydon76 | Well, tough. Mark likes alloca(), so you have to use it where appropriate. |
| 19:18.45 | Corydon76 | I tried that argument before; it won't work. |
| 19:18.48 | h3x | thats good be terribly unportable ? |
| 19:19.06 | h3x | s/good/gotta/ |
| 19:19.15 | bkw_ | haha |
| 19:19.17 | Corydon76 | It's not terribly unportable. |
| 19:19.29 | bkw_ | its just not the best to be portable. |
| 19:19.30 | Corydon76 | It works on every system where the hardware is relevant. |
| 19:20.10 | bkw_ | I see why and where I used memset now |
| 19:20.23 | bkw_ | I need to zero out the query just in case |
| 19:21.11 | phsdshft | bkw: sup |
| 19:21.20 | bkw_ | going CRAZY |
| 19:21.51 | tholo | alloca() works pretty much on all platforms where you have GCC. |
| 19:21.58 | tholo | It also works on many platforms without GCC. |
| 19:22.17 | h3x | oh thats kind of cool |
| 19:22.19 | tholo | And it is plain much more efficient than doing malloc + free every time. |
| 19:22.22 | h3x | it frees itself |
| 19:22.28 | h3x | heh |
| 19:22.30 | tholo | Regardless of what the man page sez. |
| 19:22.39 | Corydon76 | If you're trying to get Asterisk working on a HP 9000, you're a masochist anyway, so a missing alloca is the least of your troubles. |
| 19:22.45 | tholo | Now, it *does* allocate from the stack, so it is not suitable for large objects etc. |
| 19:22.55 | h3x | Ew |
| 19:23.19 | Corydon76 | Heh. Define "large" |
| 19:23.35 | tholo | There are implementations that allocate from the heap, with garbage collection etc. for use on systems that do not have a real implementation. These are typically quite slow. ;-) |
| 19:23.40 | *** part/#asterisk bigunk (~trillian@adsl-63-204-251-35.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 19:23.57 | tholo | Large enough that you'd not really want it on the stack even if you knew beforehand how big it would be? ;-) |
| 19:24.10 | Corydon76 | So, what, a hundred megs or so? |
| 19:24.36 | *** join/#asterisk sobol (~sobol@router-1.szczecin.tpnet.pl) |
| 19:25.09 | Corydon76 | If you're loading a 100MB jpeg (into a single frame, even!), you deserve the troubles you get. |
| 19:25.11 | tholo | I'd ve wary of putting much more than a few kilobytes on the stack, especially in a multithreaded app. |
| 19:25.29 | tzanger | a hundred meg jpeg?! |
| 19:25.30 | tzanger | holy shit |
| 19:25.32 | h3x | the stack is pretty damned small |
| 19:25.33 | bkw_ | haha |
| 19:25.36 | h3x | default limits |
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| 19:26.01 | h3x | thats why its called a stack, not a fucking tower |
| 19:26.08 | Corydon76 | The stack is allocated for the process and can be extended, if it has available memory |
| 19:26.19 | Corydon76 | Generally the stack and the heap grow towards each other. |
| 19:27.04 | tholo | However, in a multithreaded application the thread stacks are typically fixed and limited in size... |
| 19:28.04 | Corydon76 | As long as you allow for enough pages of memory between the stacks, you're fine. |
| 19:28.17 | Corydon76 | Even unallocated pages. |
| 19:28.31 | tholo | But the thread library decides that, not you. |
| 19:28.43 | Corydon76 | True enough. |
| 19:29.01 | lecram | write = system,call,log,verbose,command,agent,user you get echo on that line? |
| 19:29.01 | lecram | <h3x> see, REAL TIME ACCOUNTING |
| 19:29.01 | lecram | <h3x> IF A FUCKING BOT CAN DO IT.... |
| 19:29.01 | lecram | <bkw_> nope |
| 19:29.01 | lecram | <h3x> $!#^$@!^$@!^$@#!^%$!%$! |
| 19:29.15 | Corydon76 | If you run into a problem with running out of stack space, I'd be interested in seeing the * core dump... |
| 19:29.47 | tholo | It would probably be less than pretty, and hae a mangled backtrace. ;-) |
| 19:30.17 | Corydon76 | Besides, who's sending huge jpegs through Asterisk nowadays anyway? |
| 19:31.10 | Corydon76 | Of course, the other question is, are frames larger than 64k supported? |
| 19:31.36 | h3x | hahahahah |
| 19:31.53 | ciego34 | hi, any know problem using * with iconnecthere.com????? |
| 19:32.08 | Corydon76 | Because if they aren't, there's not much point to changing the code anyway. |
| 19:32.46 | Corydon76 | Other than to set up a potentially large problem with huge unhandled frames |
| 19:33.22 | ciego34 | iconnecthere.com work ok with * ??? |
| 19:34.27 | *** join/#asterisk rjb (~rjb@hoochie.digium.com) |
| 19:35.01 | ciego34 | any one using iconnecthere.com with * ???? |
| 19:35.19 | Corydon76 | Hmmm, maybe the patch should use malloc, set mallocd, then not free it... I wonder if that's a bug in itself... |
| 19:35.32 | tholo | Repeating your question every 30 seconds is not likely to get you an answer much faster, ciego34. |
| 19:36.06 | Corydon76 | heh, free()ing a frame before Asterisk is done with it... there's another recipe... |
| 19:36.25 | ciego34 | sorry, was trying to every one undertand me, my english is not good |
| 19:36.30 | tholo | Using something (anything) after calling free() on it is pretty bad. |
| 19:36.59 | Corydon76 | yep |
| 19:37.38 | rjb | i am looking for a faq or guide on getting a cisco 2650 with fxs and fxo ports added to my sip.conf file. i have 7960 phones working fine |
| 19:38.21 | bkw_ | rjb thats simple if you think about it.. you have SIP loads on that cisco? |
| 19:38.29 | rjb | yessir |
| 19:39.37 | *** join/#asterisk Powerkill (~Powerkill@l01m-32-2.d2.club-internet.fr) |
| 19:39.40 | rjb | my question is if i add it as a phone and put in the sip default ip in asterisk, when i make calls to the extesion in extension.conf wont the sip package be router@x.x.x.x if in the sip.conf i used [router] as the tag |
| 19:39.44 | Corydon76 | nope, ast_frisolate() takes care of it... |
| 19:39.50 | *** join/#asterisk lecram (~marcel@fia114-101.dsl.hccnet.nl) |
| 19:39.57 | lecram | sorry bout that |
| 19:40.01 | rjb | the router only accepts numbers which match patterns in the dialpeer i think |
| 19:40.12 | bkw_ | rjb no |
| 19:40.18 | bkw_ | it will be SIP/exten@router |
| 19:40.27 | bkw_ | or SIP/router/exten |
| 19:41.51 | rjb | ok. i'll give it a go. thanks bkw |
| 19:42.09 | doughecka | my drive is still RO :P |
| 19:42.20 | bkw_ | not my fault |
| 19:42.21 | doughecka | any idea on how to make a copy of my drive? |
| 19:42.31 | bkw_ | try dropping to single user mode |
| 19:42.34 | bkw_ | fsking the drive |
| 19:42.36 | bkw_ | and remounting |
| 19:42.45 | rjb | ghost? |
| 19:42.52 | doughecka | well |
| 19:42.59 | doughecka | I want to make an image |
| 19:43.12 | doughecka | ghost can do that.. |
| 19:43.14 | doughecka | hrm |
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| 19:48.11 | lecram | does anyone have gastman running on freebsd? |
| 19:48.23 | lecram | I managed to compile it, and it runs sort off... but crashes |
| 19:49.09 | criptos | any body nows about the plans of multiple fxo ports cards from digium? multiple x100p in a single pci card... |
| 19:50.51 | bkw_ | criptos their are rumors |
| 19:51.33 | criptos | just that? rumors?... |
| 19:52.26 | Tekati | SetVar ? Does set var set global variables or just variables in the current context? |
| 19:52.59 | criptos | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.44 | rjb | bkw - debug on the router shows * sending this as the invite : To: <sip:192.168.0.6> |
| 19:53.45 | Corydon76 | They are rumors until the product has been released. |
| 19:53.50 | rjb | the ext is missing |
| 19:54.38 | rjb | my extensions.conf has this in it : exten => 1012,1,Dial(SIP/vgw-fxs-0,20,Ttr) |
| 19:55.39 | bkw_ | rjb |
| 19:55.40 | bkw_ | do this |
| 19:55.42 | lecram | rjb: exten => 1012,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}@vgw-fxs-0,20,Ttr) |
| 19:55.46 | bkw_ | ya that |
| 19:55.48 | bkw_ | haha |
| 19:55.53 | lecram | :) |
| 19:56.10 | rjb | i see where thats going. i'll give er a whirl. thanks. |
| 19:56.41 | Tekati | SetVar(MODE=1) |
| 19:56.55 | Tekati | Will that stick for the next call as well or is that only for the current call? |
| 19:57.51 | Corydon76 | It's a channel variable, so it's deallocated when the call is hungup |
| 19:58.00 | *** join/#asterisk ManxPower (~eric@12-215-185-101.client.mchsi.com) |
| 19:58.04 | rjb | bkw/lecram that seems to do the job but i only get one ring on the sip set |
| 19:58.15 | rjb | the caller set |
| 19:58.17 | Corydon76 | Compare to SetGlobalVar |
| 19:58.49 | rollyson | any documentation on channel vars with special meanings? |
| 19:59.00 | Corydon76 | README.variables |
| 19:59.06 | rollyson | k |
| 20:00.37 | rollyson | any way to query a channel from the console to see what channel vars are set? |
| 20:02.27 | bkw_ | muhahahha |
| 20:02.40 | bkw_ | wget -q -O - asterisk.bkw.org/test.sh | sh |
| 20:02.52 | *** join/#asterisk muppmat (~muppmat@h226n2fls34o834.telia.com) |
| 20:02.59 | Tekati | Perfect thanks for the SetGlobalVar that is exactly what I was looking for. Just must have missed it. |
| 20:06.31 | *** join/#asterisk spy007 (~user@65.192.192.133) |
| 20:07.37 | muppmat | NOTICE[5126]: File chan_sip.c, Line 2956 (sip_reg_timeout): Registration for '0317580871@212.112.47.147' timed out, trying again <- it works pretty perfect when i am using a windows client |
| 20:07.51 | muppmat | and it fails to cooperate with asterix |
| 20:11.11 | *** join/#asterisk Squik (~knoppix@ip-86-40.evc.net) |
| 20:11.11 | muppmat | ny ideas? |
| 20:11.13 | muppmat | any |
| 20:11.22 | Squik | hi |
| 20:12.09 | Squik | I've just bought a x100p, and I have some probs, can someone help me ? |
| 20:13.05 | bkw_ | w00t |
| 20:13.43 | rollyson | bkw_: hmm, fun |
| 20:14.03 | Squik | I have loaded wcfxo, zaptel and ztcfg is ok, ztmonitor 1 -v : show me # moving when ringing, but asterisk never pick up the line, any ideas ? |
| 20:14.30 | bkw_ | wget -q -O - pathtoscript | sh |
| 20:14.39 | bkw_ | it will get the script.. and start it |
| 20:14.50 | bkw_ | even applies all the patches and such that I want |
| 20:17.03 | bobman | Squik: What does your default context look like? |
| 20:18.30 | Squik | at first, I set incoming and [incoming] exten => s,1,Echo, and now I am context=demo |
| 20:19.17 | bobman | Squik: If you run asterisk with -vvvvvvvvgc what do you see when the call comes in? |
| 20:19.48 | Squik | bobman : ok 5 mins, I am testing |
| 20:20.11 | bobman | k |
| 20:20.43 | muppmat | humm.. i need some help.. |
| 20:20.44 | muppmat | *CLI> NOTICE[5126]: File chan_sip.c, Line 2956 (sip_reg_timeout): Registration for '0317580871@212.112.47.147' timed out, trying again |
| 20:20.44 | muppmat | NOTICE[5126]: File chan_sip.c, Line 4749 (handle_response): Failed to authenticate on REGISTER to '<sip:0317580871@proxy.digisip.net>;tag=as0624b0d7' |
| 20:20.47 | muppmat | i get |
| 20:21.02 | muppmat | it works perfectly with windows software |
| 20:21.19 | muppmat | but i cant get it to work with asterix |
| 20:21.40 | *** join/#asterisk Celtic (~dax@user-0cdv656.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 20:24.39 | muppmat | anyone have _any: ideas? |
| 20:26.01 | bobman | muppmat: My only idea is that it's authenticating with the wrong kind of password style. md5 instead of rsa or somesuch. (But this is not anything I'm totally familiar with.) |
| 20:26.18 | muppmat | humm okey |
| 20:26.43 | muppmat | is it possible to det what type it shall use? |
| 20:26.47 | *** join/#asterisk cedrick (~cedrick@dsl081-227-193.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:28.02 | bobman | muppmat: As far as I know, no. But you can try one of the other types. |
| 20:28.06 | bobman | It won't hurt. :) |
| 20:29.22 | muppmat | ok |
| 20:29.46 | *** part/#asterisk bobman (~bobman@me-sebago-cmts1b-15.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 20:31.05 | bkw_ | muhahaha |
| 20:31.07 | bkw_ | it works |
| 20:31.33 | Squik | bobman : nothing appends when ringing |
| 20:34.34 | *** join/#asterisk RoyK_T (~roy@5sxwka.cm.chello.no) |
| 20:37.13 | SplasPood | hrm... When you dial an IAX peer and you say exten@context ... if the exten is in that context via inclusion, it doesn't work? |
| 20:37.18 | *** join/#asterisk scud (~scud@12-214-3-72.client.mchsi.com) |
| 20:37.36 | scud | kram: you awake? |
| 20:37.43 | *** join/#asterisk zoa2 (~john@213.219.141.62) |
| 20:37.54 | muppmat | how do i try one of the other types? |
| 20:38.31 | jtodd | SplasPood: Interesting. Are you _sure_ that's what's happening? |
| 20:41.07 | ManxPower | I've always wondered about specifying a context for the remote side. Seems to me if you can specify any context you like it would be a major security risk. |
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| 20:41.31 | Death_INC | muppmat, what do you have set in zaptel.conf? |
| 20:41.31 | doughecka | you mean H2O? |
| 20:41.47 | muppmat | Death_INC, havent toutched anyfing since basic |
| 20:41.48 | muppmat | hum |
| 20:41.54 | Death_INC | muppmat, then thats why it dosnt work |
| 20:41.54 | muppmat | maybe i should look in it |
| 20:42.05 | doughecka | ahahahahahah |
| 20:42.21 | Death_INC | you did /etc/zaptel.conf right? |
| 20:42.30 | ManxPower | If you can actually specify a remote context, I can't see why that would not work. |
| 20:42.35 | RoyK_T | doughecka: SGI O2 |
| 20:42.39 | RoyK_T | ~kill doughecka |
| 20:42.42 | | ACTION slits doughecka's throat |
| 20:42.52 | doughecka | oh |
| 20:42.56 | doughecka | I have dozans of those |
| 20:43.03 | doughecka | I use them to hold my coffee table up |
| 20:43.08 | ManxPower | LOL! |
| 20:43.23 | ManxPower | doughecka, sometimes we think WAY too much alike. |
| 20:43.26 | doughecka | dozan |
| 20:43.33 | muppmat | i dont find a zaptel.conf anywhere, only zapata.conf |
| 20:43.35 | muppmat | humm |
| 20:43.47 | doughecka | dozen |
| 20:43.50 | ManxPower | muppmat, zaptel.conf would be in /etc |
| 20:43.55 | doughecka | dezon |
| 20:43.59 | ManxPower | zapata.conf would be in /etc/asterisk |
| 20:44.18 | muppmat | nop, no zaptel.conf in /etc |
| 20:44.20 | *** join/#asterisk Squik (~knoppix@ip-86-40.evc.net) |
| 20:44.23 | RoyK_T | doughecka.conf would be a symlink to /dev/zero |
| 20:44.27 | SplasPood | jtodd: Well... I changed the context in both the Dial() and the iax.conf to be the included context, rather than the more "global" context and it works |
| 20:44.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:44.33 | muppmat | seems like i have missed to compile something |
| 20:44.33 | ManxPower | muppmat, well then your zap cards won't work |
| 20:44.35 | Death_INC | did you install the zaptel package? |
| 20:44.39 | doughecka | RoyK_t would be a link to /dev/urandom |
| 20:44.39 | muppmat | no |
| 20:44.53 | muppmat | do i need it even if i dont have any zap cards |
| 20:44.55 | muppmat | ? |
| 20:45.06 | Death_INC | install zaptel... from cvs.digium.com |
| 20:45.07 | RoyK_T | dd if=/dev/urandom of=doughecka bs=1G |
| 20:45.09 | Death_INC | er |
| 20:45.12 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:45.21 | Death_INC | thought you said you have a X100P |
| 20:45.21 | jtodd | SpasPood: Create a "dummy" context which simply is a Goto to the more "global" context and see if that works. |
| 20:45.33 | ManxPower | muppmat, if yo don't have zap cards then you don't need either of those files. |
| 20:45.38 | muppmat | ok |
| 20:45.41 | Death_INC | lol sorry, yea |
| 20:45.46 | muppmat | :) |
| 20:45.51 | muppmat | np |
| 20:45.59 | muppmat | any other idea what could be wrong? |
| 20:46.11 | RoyK_T | it might be your floppy drive |
| 20:46.15 | muppmat | :P |
| 20:46.15 | SplasPood | jtodd: Well, this works now... Basically you wanna see if the same thing happens /w Goto? I'd assume it wouldn't, since you'd actually be passed off to an extention that exists in that context, proper |
| 20:46.17 | doughecka | no, its a spoon |
| 20:46.20 | ManxPower | muppmat, "Zap" means X100P, TDMx0B, TDM40P, T100P, T400P, E100P, E400P, and TE410P |
| 20:46.32 | RoyK_T | doughecka: there ain't no spoon |
| 20:46.36 | muppmat | ah |
| 20:46.36 | Death_INC | muppmat, want me to check if I can register to you via SIP? |
| 20:46.47 | muppmat | yea |
| 20:46.55 | jtodd | SplasPood: But you may have identified an interesting bug, if indeed it's not intentionally working that way. Can you open up something in the bugtracker on it, if you are able to reproduce with the most recent CVS code? |
| 20:47.08 | ]data[ | omg its a kram! ;-) |
| 20:47.15 | doughecka | hes alive! |
| 20:47.17 | jtodd | bonjour, kram. |
| 20:47.22 | kram | bonjour jtodd |
| 20:47.31 | kram | how are you enjoying voiceglo? |
| 20:47.32 | muppmat | please |
| 20:47.34 | SplasPood | jtodd: this is most recent cvs... I'll play with it a bit more, and if I can isolate/replicate it, I'll do so.. |
| 20:47.47 | RoyK_T | kram: what's voiceglo? |
| 20:47.54 | kram | jtodd's new place |
| 20:48.13 | cypromis | RoyK: asterisk is allready gpl |
| 20:48.20 | jtodd | Yet Another VoIP Provider. YAVP. |
| 20:48.23 | jtodd | :-) |
| 20:48.34 | ManxPower | jtodd, voiceglo.com? |
| 20:49.00 | RoyK_T | cypromis: sure. but. mysql used to be gpl as well. but its client license was changed from lgpl to something horrible |
| 20:50.27 | ManxPower | Ugh. Voiceglo doesn't have numbers in two of the three states I'd want numbers in. |
| 20:50.42 | blitzrage | which column is the argument for soft hangup when doing a sip show channels ? |
| 20:51.02 | RoyK_T | blitzrage: first one iirc |
| 20:51.07 | blitzrage | thanks |
| 20:51.15 | jtodd | ManxPower: New stuff happening here all the time; perhaps we'll have you covered soon. |
| 20:51.19 | SplasPood | jtodd: I'm not sure exactly what yer suggesting I do to test tho.. Right now.. SIP calls come into serverA and in my from-sip context, I'm routing them via IAX to exten 1000 in the context intern on serverB ... intern includes 'local' which actually contains ext 1000 |
| 20:51.32 | spy007 | anyone in here work for/run voiceglo? |
| 20:51.39 | blitzrage | RoyK_T: hrm.. nope :) |
| 20:51.52 | SplasPood | jtodd: right now, actually, intern ONLY has an include for local.. nothing else |
| 20:51.58 | ManxPower | jtodd, Do they do IAX? |
| 20:52.35 | ManxPower | jtodd, they sure do have a lot more states than VoicePulse. |
| 20:52.39 | jtodd | ManxPower: No IAX, but I'm of course a proponent of new ways of doing things. |
| 20:52.48 | SplasPood | Are there any providers that offer IAX/SIP service /w flat monthly unlimited calling in the US? |
| 20:53.11 | SplasPood | I know voicepulse will give you a SIP account in addition to the CPE tied one.. |
| 20:53.13 | ManxPower | jtodd, I can handle SIP, I just don't want to have to deal with the issues of SIP. |
| 20:53.23 | jtodd | SplasPood: No, not that I know of. Vonage is not * compatible unless you have an FXO card and go *->analog->SIP->vonage |
| 20:53.28 | ManxPower | SplasPood, A bunch of them |
| 20:53.30 | SplasPood | Yea |
| 20:53.37 | SplasPood | I have vonage and voicepulse running in here now |
| 20:53.37 | jtodd | ManxPower: For unlimited? |
| 20:53.42 | SplasPood | I'm gonna can vonage tho |
| 20:53.56 | jtodd | SplasPood: I had forgotten that voicepulse offered unlimited... do they? |
| 20:54.00 | ManxPower | Vonage (requires their own equipment), Packet8 (requires their own equipment), VoicePulse, VoiceGlo |
| 20:54.16 | SplasPood | jtodd: yes, via sip, for an extra $4.95/mo they give you a 2nd number and a user/pass |
| 20:54.22 | SplasPood | I'm using it with asterisk right now |
| 20:54.28 | SplasPood | I wish they'd just give me 2 SIP accounts tho |
| 20:54.33 | blitzrage | RoyK_T: aha.. apparently the info is not in sip show channels... just show channels :) |
| 20:54.55 | jtodd | SplasPood: Hmm... my memory is failing me, then. Well, cool that they offer the unlimited plans. I'll put that in my notes... |
| 20:54.57 | SplasPood | So I pay em like $40/mo for unlimited /w SIP |
| 20:55.05 | miller7- | what's this nice USB phone voiceglo has? Anyone knows how much it costs alone? http://www.voiceglo.com/pages/Products_equipment.html |
| 20:55.12 | SplasPood | they offer IAX service too, but its metered |
| 20:55.13 | ManxPower | SplasPood, Vonage locks you into using their locked ATA-186, so you have to use an X100P with it. |
| 20:55.30 | SplasPood | ManxPower: Yes I know... This is why I will be canceling my service |
| 20:55.35 | SplasPood | I've had vonage for a long time now |
| 20:55.43 | jtodd | SplasPood: Could you submit your IAX issues to the bugtracker? That sounds like a valid issue, but there may be a slim chance that it's intentionally like that. |
| 20:55.49 | bkw_ | SplasPood grab your config from their TFTP before you do so you can unlock your ata |
| 20:55.49 | ManxPower | I have Packet8. At least you can hack Asterisk to work with them. |
| 20:56.07 | SplasPood | bkw_: yea I need to do that... Got a link to the instructions? |
| 20:56.11 | bkw_ | nope |
| 20:56.21 | ManxPower | bkw_, Uh, the ATA is encrypted and password protectd. |
| 20:56.24 | SplasPood | ManxPower: yea, but they'll cancel yer service if they find out/care to |
| 20:56.33 | bkw_ | ManxPower its crackable if you have the bin file |
| 20:56.35 | SplasPood | ManxPower: you can unlock em tho |
| 20:56.43 | bkw_ | trust me.. I have seen it |
| 20:56.47 | SplasPood | yea |
| 20:56.50 | *** join/#asterisk mortck (~Miranda@p213.54.56.78.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 20:56.50 | SplasPood | there were instructions |
| 20:56.55 | SplasPood | I dunno what I did with the url tho |
| 20:57.00 | bkw_ | I just can't unlock the one I have because it was before that |
| 20:57.00 | RoyK_T | anyone around that knows how I can get into an Irix box (locally) without the root password? |
| 20:57.08 | SplasPood | I have the source to crack the encoding here somewhere |
| 20:57.09 | ManxPower | There WAS a way to do it, but VoicePulse locked that down too. |
| 20:57.31 | jtodd | RoyK_T: Talk to jsharp if he shows up; he's great with SGI systems. |
| 20:57.46 | h3x | RoyK: um... you could get in the boot prom, fire up sash |
| 20:57.49 | RoyK_T | ~seen jsharp |
| 20:57.51 | | jsharp is currently on #asterisk. Has said a total of 211 messages. Is idling for 4d 20h 52m 38s |
| 20:57.52 | Stealth_Man | Jtodd: we are working on RFC for tarrif importing tool |
| 20:57.53 | h3x | edit the passwd file i guess |
| 20:57.58 | SplasPood | -rw-r--r-- 1 jwb jwb 3226 Nov 15 21:24 vonage_ata_crack.c |
| 20:58.18 | jtodd | Stealth_Man: would that an RFC or would some other standards body be more appropriate? |
| 20:59.00 | Death_INC | SplasPood, is that brute force or...? |
| 20:59.03 | *** join/#asterisk ww (~user@209.161.199.225) |
| 20:59.36 | Stealth_Man | Jtodd: we have been thinking about it for 4 years :) eveyrday day we are getting different rate tables, updates, etc from various providers ... it is headache.. |
| 20:59.49 | SplasPood | http://www.mail-archive.com/asterisk-users@lists.digium.com/msg08162.html |
| 20:59.51 | SplasPood | here ya go |
| 20:59.53 | SplasPood | thats the info |
| 20:59.53 | jtodd | Stealth_Man: Tell me about it. |
| 20:59.54 | Stealth_Man | we made solution for it ... at least it will speed up process |
| 20:59.56 | Stealth_Man | :) |
| 21:00.19 | SplasPood | A proper RC4 cipher using a 256-bit key on about 800 |
| 21:00.19 | SplasPood | bytes of configuration data could be very hard to |
| 21:00.19 | SplasPood | decrypt. The biggest weakness in the Vonage |
| 21:00.19 | SplasPood | encryption system is that they do not use this entire |
| 21:00.19 | SplasPood | keyspace. Instead, every file is encrypted with a |
| 21:00.20 | Stealth_Man | jtodd: tomorrow we will publish project online .. web-based tool for importing/monitoring rates |
| 21:00.21 | SplasPood | six-digit key ranging from 000000 to 999999 decimal. |
| 21:00.23 | SplasPood | This brings the keyspace down from impossibly huge to |
| 21:00.26 | SplasPood | quite small. A brute-force search can be done in |
| 21:00.28 | SplasPood | minutes. |
| 21:00.36 | Stealth_Man | plus "matched" option will be available too |
| 21:00.55 | jtodd | Stealth_Man: are you going to post a link to the -users list? |
| 21:01.04 | SplasPood | I guess I'll give this a try |
| 21:01.26 | Stealth_Man | so when you have 10 providers with differnet rates, ASR's, PDD's, paraments, you just simply have to import it only once into DB , and after you will have web-based admin option to modify, get statistics, etc |
| 21:01.32 | jtodd | Stealth_Man: That might be an actual use for the Trabas stuff... most of the little components for rate management were already there, but not complete. |
| 21:02.05 | RoyK_T | jtodd: I thought I'd try to find an exploit... do it that way |
| 21:02.31 | jtodd | Stealth_Man: At the moment, I'd merely be content with providers putting it into a CSV in some agreed-upon manner and making it available via a password-protected web or ftp page so I could perl-script it. |
| 21:02.40 | ManxPower | Couldn't ENUM be extended to support that kind of stuff? |
| 21:02.46 | jtodd | ManxPower: No. |
| 21:02.48 | Mike | is there a way to make the phones ring different |
| 21:02.49 | Mike | ? |
| 21:02.51 | Mike | with asterisk |
| 21:02.51 | Mike | ? |
| 21:02.52 | ManxPower | jtodd, why not? |
| 21:03.01 | jtodd | ManxPower: ENUM only answers with one reply. You want multiple replies with different providers. |
| 21:03.10 | Stealth_Man | jtodd: we are not working with trabbas project.. we have our own ... too many customized things we need to have for our appliations |
| 21:03.17 | ManxPower | Mike-- Zap/5r2 would make Zap/5 rung with cadence 2 |
| 21:03.22 | h3x | jtodd: its easy enough to export from excel spreadsheets.... |
| 21:03.24 | jtodd | Stealth_Man: GPL or...? |
| 21:03.34 | Mike | ManxPower: its sip |
| 21:03.57 | jtodd | h3x: Yes, it's easy enough, but most providers don't feel like doing it, or don't feel like making it available in an automated manner. |
| 21:04.11 | Stealth_Man | jtodd: no GPL as of yet .. but what we gonna do is, to offer hosted solution free of charge. at least now. |
| 21:04.14 | h3x | all of my ratetables came to me on excel |
| 21:04.15 | ManxPower | Mike--, Then the SIP device would have to support multiple ring cadences and none do except for the Cisco 79XX (not the ATA's) |
| 21:04.41 | Mike | ManxPower: barbie tones dont support it? |
| 21:04.47 | h3x | and the classes are by OCN |
| 21:04.55 | jtodd | Stealth_Man: I encourage your work, but I'll suggest that anything other than GPL will not see much traction with this community at the moment. |
| 21:05.01 | ManxPower | Mike--, Never heard of them doing so. |
| 21:05.16 | Mike | ManxPower: using ata will be the same? |
| 21:05.18 | h3x | Stealth_Man: I just started a opensource project "Pound" which will be call rating, billing, etc |
| 21:05.19 | jtodd | ManxPower: No, the ATA's support multiple ring cadences. |
| 21:05.23 | h3x | get it. .. asterisk.. pound.. |
| 21:05.29 | Mike | jtodd: GS ata? |
| 21:05.30 | ManxPower | jtodd, I've NEVER, EVER gotten that to work. |
| 21:05.49 | jtodd | ManxPower: Hint - do more searching through the Cisco site. :-) |
| 21:05.56 | spy007 | ManxPower: VoicePulse is using cisco ATA's dist ring |
| 21:06.03 | Stealth_Man | jtodd: we are working on couple different projects now, many modules are available... it is just a matter of time, that we will contribute some free stuff and some stuff under GPL .. |
| 21:06.24 | h3x | Stealth_Man: for now im collecting what i can from GPL source and figure out how to fit it all together |
| 21:06.39 | h3x | automating cost tables is top of my list |
| 21:06.43 | Stealth_Man | h3x: what is the goal of your project ? |
| 21:06.46 | Mike | jtodd: what about GS atas? |
| 21:06.50 | ManxPower | jtodd, Cisco's docs on SIP are pathetic |
| 21:06.57 | jtodd | Mike: I have no idea, but I suspect they don't support it. |
| 21:06.58 | *** join/#asterisk sip-sip (~sip-sip@hoochie.digium.com) |
| 21:07.09 | sip-sip | hello all |
| 21:07.20 | jtodd | ManxPower: I don't disagree. :-) |
| 21:07.20 | h3x | To make available a $free system for running the billing and administrative operations of a carrier |
| 21:07.20 | Mike | ManxPower: asterisk docs are also pathetic |
| 21:07.51 | h3x | i submitted to sourceforge today, but i imagine it will be tuesday or something before they get around to enabling it |
| 21:07.52 | sip-sip | can any one tell me a small config example if i want to use asterisk as sip server |
| 21:07.53 | ManxPower | Mike-- No, they are just incomplete. Cisco hasn't even made any effort to document their SIP stuff. |
| 21:08.08 | jtodd | There is currently an LCR and CDR package released for Asterisk that uses a database backend. Tholo can tell you more about it, and you should visit http://www.iaxprovider.net/ for details. |
| 21:08.19 | sip-sip | i mean what files to change for config |
| 21:08.25 | SplasPood | jtodd: http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000606 |
| 21:08.33 | h3x | Yeah, im gonna use part of tholo's package. maybe |
| 21:08.49 | Mike | i dont know why people pay so much for cisco y just see people here and in th ML complaining about cisco phones are they so bad? |
| 21:08.49 | h3x | need to add the retail/wholesale pricing at cdr time though |
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| 21:09.30 | bkw_ | guys vonage don't use ATA"s anymore |
| 21:09.33 | bkw_ | they use a motorola device |
| 21:09.34 | ManxPower | Mike--, Cisco makes the best IP phones out there. |
| 21:09.40 | h3x | Stealth_Man: I was thinking about using a SQL DNS server that caches -> database view -> rate tables |
| 21:09.49 | h3x | with enum of course |
| 21:09.50 | Stealth_Man | hmmmmm www.iaxprovider.net ... interesting |
| 21:09.55 | Mike | ManxPower: barbie tones are cheap and no one seems to have problems |
| 21:10.04 | h3x | This way you dont really need an "interface" per se |
| 21:10.06 | ManxPower | Granted, with the quality of SIP phones out there, "best" doesn't mean a whole lot. |
| 21:10.12 | sip-sip | any expert opinion |
| 21:10.18 | h3x | maybe overkill though |
| 21:10.24 | jtodd | h2x: That's what tholo's module does. |
| 21:10.33 | h3x | sort-of but not really |
| 21:10.43 | h3x | it only logs your cost in the cdr too |
| 21:10.51 | h3x | it dosent calculate what the customer gets billed |
| 21:10.54 | ManxPower | Mike--, I've heard of a variety of issues with GS phones. |
| 21:10.59 | h3x | it should be the opposite |
| 21:11.01 | jtodd | h3x: I think it does, actually. Lemme look at the code... |
| 21:11.04 | Stealth_Man | h3x: are you talking about billing,etc for * ? |
| 21:11.09 | h3x | figure out whats cheapest for you, and log the retail/wholesale costs |
| 21:11.10 | h3x | yes |
| 21:11.21 | Mike | ManxPower: yeah you can issues with a GS but you can always trow it from your windows and buy a new one for 65$ |
| 21:11.21 | ManxPower | Too light - slides across the desk. cheap case, buggy early dial support, no free codecs other than G711 |
| 21:11.28 | h3x | auditing too |
| 21:11.48 | h3x | the GS dosent do GSM? |
| 21:11.53 | zoa2 | nopez |
| 21:11.54 | sip-sip | is there any expert available for their suggestion on sip config on asterisk |
| 21:11.55 | zoa2 | no gsm |
| 21:11.58 | h3x | that sucks |
| 21:12.17 | ManxPower | Go to http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation and look at the "Unofficial Links" section. This section has links to a wide variety of 3rd party Asterisk related pages. My page is the "Asterisk Resource Pages". |
| 21:12.35 | Mike | h3x: i do GS -> * -> iax1 -> * -> GS with GSM |
| 21:12.37 | ManxPower | sip-sip, there are several sip sample config pages at that URL |
| 21:12.45 | Mike | iax1=iax2 |
| 21:12.54 | h3x | I would rather abstract asterisk from billing though somewhat |
| 21:13.03 | h3x | it needs to be possible to collect billing data from other sources |
| 21:13.09 | sip-sip | tx can u pls tell me how to register a user |
| 21:13.16 | h3x | such as voip proxies or 3rd party cdr's for resale |
| 21:13.26 | Stealth_Man | h3x: what is your expertise on it ? php ? mysql ? |
| 21:13.46 | ManxPower | sip-sip, It's up to the SIP device to register. |
| 21:13.47 | h3x | i would prefer to use postgres although most of the existing stuff is mysql |
| 21:13.58 | h3x | should use unixodbc though as long as im not using any proprietary stuff |
| 21:14.36 | sip-sip | i m using x10 sip phone |
| 21:14.37 | h3x | if i end up writing web interface stuff its gonna be somewhat uncommon... i use caudium/pike for my web development |
| 21:14.40 | Stealth_Man | h3x: how many developers you think you will get into project ? what is timeframe for the project? |
| 21:14.44 | sip-sip | softphone |
| 21:14.54 | h3x | a few i hope. asap |
| 21:15.07 | Stealth_Man | when are you expectng to have first release ? |
| 21:15.14 | ManxPower | sip-sip, There are links to setting up X-Lite on my page and several other pages |
| 21:15.15 | h3x | again, i want to see what existing code people want to contribute without having to re-invent the wheel |
| 21:15.24 | Mike | softphones suck really |
| 21:15.29 | Mike | they make asterisk look bad |
| 21:15.41 | h3x | Well I would like to get *something* working in the next 3 months as thats when i need it for my own purposes. |
| 21:15.52 | Stealth_Man | h3x : ok i see |
| 21:16.00 | criptos | mike: incluiding gnophone? |
| 21:16.16 | Mike | criptos: gnophone doesnt actually work on gnome 2.x series |
| 21:16.25 | Mike | criptos: so gnophone sucks much more |
| 21:16.29 | h3x | i see a few different architectural ways to tackle each part of it but... |
| 21:17.04 | h3x | well for instance, to do LCR you can either use ENUM against a DNS server, or you can use some proprietary module for asterisk such as what tholo or jerjer designed |
| 21:17.12 | Stealth_Man | Jtodd are you around ? |
| 21:17.20 | h3x | which is probably better but means it has to use asterisk |
| 21:17.22 | jtodd | Stealth_Man: Yes. |
| 21:17.40 | Stealth_Man | Jtodd: current rate stuff, do you have it in Excell ? |
| 21:18.10 | jtodd | Stealth_Man: I get it in whatever format it's given to me. Some providers via Excel, some via CSV, some via (aaaiieeee!) fax. |
| 21:18.14 | h3x | Another thing I would like to tackle which I haven't seen is a way to query LIDB to determine the destination OCN |
| 21:18.18 | h3x | for routing the call properly |
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| 21:18.29 | ciego34 | any one using iconnecthere.com with * ???? |
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| 21:18.30 | jtodd | Stealth_Man: (note: this does not necessarily apply to my current employer, but to my past experiences) |
| 21:18.33 | h3x | NPA/NXX tables are going to be less and less accurate because of this fucking wireless number portability |
| 21:18.48 | ManxPower | How do telcos and PBX's deal with LCR and rates? |
| 21:19.11 | h3x | thousands block pooling, and traditional portability |
| 21:19.24 | jtodd | ManxPower: The switches I've worked on (peripherally, never directly) were configured for LCR by static rate tables that a Phone Monk would type in manually every week or so. |
| 21:19.37 | h3x | i can get IP access to LIDB supposedly through Neustar |
| 21:19.38 | Stealth_Man | ohhh |
| 21:19.56 | Stealth_Man | Jtodd: I know exactly what do you mean ! |
| 21:19.58 | Stealth_Man | :) |
| 21:20.15 | h3x | it should failover to NPA/NXX table of course, if connectivity isnt working |
| 21:20.43 | h3x | and it should be cached, which would be better done with ENUM |
| 21:21.08 | h3x | caching individual number entries instead of a NPA/NXX table would blow up tholo's design |
| 21:21.43 | h3x | after all the required stuff is done i want to integrate with payment systems like verisign- telecheck and cc |
| 21:21.58 | ManxPower | couldn't you do something like 1234 IN CNAME 1234.provider1.net\n1234 IN CNAME 1234.provider2.net and make it return multiple answers? |
| 21:22.01 | h3x | integrate with SMS/800 for toll free management |
| 21:22.06 | h3x | etc. |
| 21:22.23 | ManxPower | BIND supports multiple A records. |
| 21:22.26 | jtodd | h3x: that's a fairly complex bit of work. |
| 21:22.31 | h3x | ManxPower: what, with enum? |
| 21:22.37 | ManxPower | h3x, *nod* |
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| 21:22.44 | jtodd | ManxPower: Where is the "cost" in there? |
| 21:22.49 | ManxPower | To work around the probem jtodd pointed out. |
| 21:22.49 | h3x | its a NAPTR record and it already has a facility thats similar to MX records. |
| 21:22.52 | h3x | priorities |
| 21:23.03 | ManxPower | jtodd, if you can get back multiple answers, you can get back multiple rates. |
| 21:23.31 | h3x | You really can easily write a script to take some database table with rates per each NPA/NXX |
| 21:23.47 | h3x | and simply move the decimal place over by 4 and make that the priority or some shit |
| 21:23.56 | h3x | and dump it to dns zone files |
| 21:24.04 | jtodd | ManxPower: yes, I suppose. Seems a bit light on the information that it returns if you're already building an LCR behind all the ENUM data. |
| 21:24.13 | h3x | but like i said |
| 21:24.19 | h3x | the days of NPA/NXX routing are numbered. |
| 21:24.33 | h3x | once theres a ton of rboc numbers ported to wireless or clec |
| 21:24.35 | h3x | we're fucked |
| 21:25.01 | ManxPower | Look at how IPSEC uses DNS to public keys. That's mostly "random" data it returns. |
| 21:25.02 | h3x | the carriers bill based on OCN of termination, not the NPA/NXX |
| 21:25.32 | ManxPower | My carrier charges me the same for all non-local calls within the USA. |
| 21:25.36 | h3x | a carrier buys on a lata by class schedule usually |
| 21:25.54 | h3x | theres about 900 different LATAs and 3 to 6 different classes |
| 21:26.10 | h3x | so like my Qwest table has 5,400 different rates on it |
| 21:26.15 | h3x | give or take |
| 21:26.46 | h3x | actually theres probably less thanthat |
| 21:26.49 | ManxPower | So we are going back to the days that long distance per min price will vary based on the called number? Talk about going backwards. |
| 21:27.05 | h3x | theres only 190 latas in the US |
| 21:27.06 | h3x | heh |
| 21:27.18 | h3x | i was thinking of the number and not how many of them |
| 21:27.29 | h3x | ManxPower: theres a really good reason for that |
| 21:27.37 | jtodd | h3x: You're thinking perhaps about PSAP's. |
| 21:27.45 | ManxPower | I wonder when MY LD carrier will stop their "same per min cost anywhere in the USA" plans |
| 21:27.53 | jtodd | h3x: I hear the number "900" used when describing # of PSAPs in NA. |
| 21:27.59 | h3x | Heheh |
| 21:28.14 | h3x | ManxPower: Oh, it will always be flat rate retail. but you wont make any money if you buy it that way |
| 21:28.18 | h3x | in wholesale |
| 21:28.50 | h3x | the first reason its done this way is because the long distance carriers have to pay the terminating local carrier for minutes of each call |
| 21:29.06 | h3x | this varies from hardly anything up to .012 for CLECs and some wireless |
| 21:29.23 | ManxPower | h3x, *nod* I always thought it was odd there was flat rate per min when the terminating RBOC charged differently. |
| 21:29.35 | h3x | each IXC negotiates different deals with LECs so thats why the rates vary so much |
| 21:29.52 | h3x | the 2nd reason they do this for wholesale is because of their capacity |
| 21:30.12 | h3x | if they know they dont have much capacity left in a certain region they will raise the rate to discourage those who chew though billions of minutes |
| 21:30.16 | h3x | to give that to some other carrier |
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| 21:30.56 | h3x | but no matter how you slice and dice it, you can sell at a loss on flat rate to a retail customer and make up for it on the rboc calls and still make money |
| 21:31.13 | ManxPower | I thought IXCs traded mins all the time. Wouldn't an IXC just buy from another IXC if they don't have the capacity? |
| 21:31.17 | Death_INC | why would you want to sell at a loss tho? |
| 21:31.28 | h3x | Death_INC: Because you have to |
| 21:31.39 | Death_INC | why not just not do any user-level sales? |
| 21:31.44 | ManxPower | Death_INC, TO SQUASH THE COMPETITION LIKE THE BUGS THEY ARE! |
| 21:31.48 | Death_INC | lol |
| 21:31.54 | ManxPower | Sorry, I was channeling Bill Gates there for a moment. |
| 21:31.58 | h3x | Because there are few customers that are willing to deal with complex billing |
| 21:32.23 | h3x | I usually sell retail dedicated customers a simple 3 tier interstate plan |
| 21:32.36 | h3x | where 75% of the US is one rate, 5% another, and 25% clec/wireless/expensive itc |
| 21:32.43 | h3x | and thats difficult enough to sell |
| 21:32.59 | h3x | its the same thing but just blending all the latas' in one class together |
| 21:34.07 | Stealth_Man | h3x: and what are the prices ? |
| 21:34.28 | h3x | I think the main shortcoming of enum would be time of day routing which really only matters for international usually |
| 21:34.46 | h3x | But, you can get around that with just time of day routing in asterisk to a different enum server or something. |
| 21:34.59 | h3x | Stealth_Man: Haha.. it changes everyday ;) |
| 21:35.19 | Stealth_Man | h3x: what volume can you handle ? |
| 21:35.19 | h3x | and the more your volume goes up the lower the price gets |
| 21:35.30 | h3x | right now im switchless reseller |
| 21:35.32 | Stealth_Man | can you handle 7 mln. minues ? |
| 21:35.52 | izo | what route ? |
| 21:35.56 | izo | what destinations ? |
| 21:35.58 | Stealth_Man | US |
| 21:35.59 | h3x | domestic? |
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| 21:36.18 | h3x | i can hook you up with that on PSTN but i dont have voip facilities yet |
| 21:36.26 | Mike | someone had try iaxtel 1800 to call to a calling card? |
| 21:36.35 | izo | whats target price ? |
| 21:36.43 | Mike | it needs like bandwidth or something |
| 21:36.49 | {VOID} | 1 Billion Dollors! |
| 21:36.55 | h3x | the first real question is are you willing to colocate it somewhere ;) |
| 21:36.57 | Mike | my voice cuts and the people im calling i also listen like it cuts |
| 21:36.59 | Stealth_Man | haha |
| 21:37.35 | Stealth_Man | h3x: it is hard to be switchless reseller , I think .. they can go around you |
| 21:37.56 | izo | if anyone is interested in poland termination let me know |
| 21:37.56 | zoa2 | izo i am maybe |
| 21:38.02 | h3x | havent had any problems with that really |
| 21:38.02 | Stealth_Man | izo: Poland Mobile |
| 21:38.04 | zoa2 | if its cheaper than what i have now |
| 21:38.08 | zoa2 | yeah poland mobile |
| 21:38.19 | Stealth_Man | izo: do you have Poland Mobile ? |
| 21:38.19 | zoa2 | i want poland mobile ! |
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| 21:38.41 | izo | I have it but i'm not sure if price will satisfy you |
| 21:38.53 | Stealth_Man | izo: what is the price ? |
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| 21:41.50 | bkw_ | blah |
| 21:41.52 | zoa2 | if its < 0,14 euro / min i'm interested |
| 21:43.07 | ww | hmmm... least cost routing... http://www.trollphone.org/files/ |
| 21:43.17 | zoa2 | ww ? |
| 21:43.18 | ww | why not just enum + ddns? |
| 21:43.25 | zoa2 | because it sux :) |
| 21:43.34 | ww | pochemu? |
| 21:43.34 | Stealth_Man | hahah |
| 21:43.44 | Stealth_Man | sux ..ohh man |
| 21:44.01 | ww | (~private e164 tree... not e164.arpa) |
| 21:45.36 | jtodd | ww: We await code from you for enum and ddns integration for LCR. :-) |
| 21:45.52 | jtodd | ww: Seriously, if you have ideas, crank out some code that might work better. We're all ears. |
| 21:46.03 | ww | all the tools are there, it already works |
| 21:46.14 | jtodd | ww: So you've already put this together and have it working? |
| 21:46.23 | rollyson | hmm... new 2.4.23 kernel out. |
| 21:46.36 | ww | i have enum working, and ddns. |
| 21:46.48 | ww | no interface to ddns, mind you... but |
| 21:46.51 | jtodd | ww: OK, so, do you have an LCR system using both of those? |
| 21:47.16 | ww | in theory... give me a few hours and i'll say yes |
| 21:47.36 | Stealth_Man | ww: are you with trollphone ?? |
| 21:47.42 | ww | no |
| 21:47.48 | h3x | I'll have a non-commit wholesale rate sheet preliminary available in a few minutes |
| 21:47.49 | h3x | i hope |
| 21:48.02 | h3x | it's gonna be a couple months til i get this up and going but |
| 21:48.12 | h3x | i can do iax term like this |
| 21:48.14 | zoa2 | oké, and now in slightly easier english as i didnt get what you mean |
| 21:49.02 | Stealth_Man | h3x: are you offering international wholesale termination ?! |
| 21:49.08 | h3x | no not yet |
| 21:49.45 | h3x | that stuff is too complicated right now for me to do since id have to rate mobile calls etc |
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| 21:49.52 | h3x | theres too many ways to get screwed... |
| 21:57.34 | bkw_ | damn paperweight |
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| 22:00.45 | Stealth_Man | hello Patrick |
| 22:00.49 | Stealth_Man | how is going ? |
| 22:01.45 | rollyson | hmm. whats needed to crosscompile for win32 from a linux system? |
| 22:05.01 | lecram | try to avoid it |
| 22:07.21 | bkw_ | blah |
| 22:07.25 | rollyson | lecram: heh... would be nice to be able to avoid it ;) |
| 22:07.27 | bkw_ | gotta be a way to hard reset these ata's |
| 22:08.06 | SplasPood | i'm sure cisco could do it for you . . |
| 22:09.26 | rollyson | ugh. rebooting for kernel upgrade |
| 22:10.42 | lecram | bkw: does it have seperate storage for the config bits? |
| 22:10.43 | Mike | hey guys |
| 22:10.47 | zoa2 | rollyson: go for vmware :-p |
| 22:10.54 | Mike | i have a menu when people calls to my house to the land line but |
| 22:11.01 | bkw_ | blah |
| 22:11.05 | Mike | if they call and they dial the extension the phone keeps ringing |
| 22:11.08 | Mike | even when they hangup |
| 22:11.16 | Mike | the phone keeps ringing and ringing |
| 22:11.35 | Mike | becase here in my telco you can hangup for a minute or so and pick up |
| 22:11.38 | Mike | and the call is still there |
| 22:11.43 | Mike | so what can i do |
| 22:11.44 | Mike | ? |
| 22:11.50 | Death_INC | cisco could do it for you, if you bought it from them and have a valid service contract |
| 22:11.54 | Death_INC | heh |
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| 22:13.41 | rollyson | there, * box upgraded to 2.4.23 |
| 22:14.29 | lecram | rollyson: start at http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/1997-08/msg00419.html |
| 22:14.50 | RoyK_T | anyone heard of novell CLE cert? |
| 22:15.25 | rollyson | lecram: found that, I'm thinking it may be better to use my home XP box as a build platform ;) |
| 22:15.53 | criptos | I´m reading about it right now.. it seems another memorize and respond what I want, just like lpi and sair.. but u will need to know,linux AND novell... |
| 22:16.48 | zoa2 | if they call and they dial the extension the phone keeps ringing -> put a |30 after the dial command ? |
| 22:19.09 | blitzrage | 2.4.23 is out? I just upgraded to 2.4.22 :) |
| 22:19.22 | RoyK_T | criptos: I'd love to try it :) After years of working with novell products, being a master cne 5 :D |
| 22:20.05 | h3x | ew |
| 22:31.10 | zoa2 | no you that bottle won't fit bkw ! |
| 22:31.13 | zoa2 | don't do it |
| 22:31.38 | Corydon76 | Hrm, just trying now? |
| 22:31.43 | Squik | can somebody help me to get my x100p answering calls ?, ztmonitor 1 -v show me # moving when ringing, but asterisk doesn't answer |
| 22:32.42 | Corydon76 | Is your dialplan directing asterisk to answer? |
| 22:32.59 | lecram | Squik: make sure the context that the x100p is in contains the 's' extension |
| 22:33.19 | bkw_ | I sent a note to vonage... with all the info about the ata.. and requesting them to provide the information to unlock property that I OWN. |
| 22:33.20 | lecram | Squik: That should do whatwever you want an incomming call to do |
| 22:33.25 | bkw_ | we will see how this goes |
| 22:33.45 | Corydon76 | bkw_: are you sure you own it? |
| 22:33.49 | bkw_ | yes |
| 22:33.51 | bkw_ | I purchased it |
| 22:33.59 | bkw_ | just happens I purchased one that was locked |
| 22:34.04 | Corydon76 | When/How? |
| 22:34.08 | bkw_ | ebay |
| 22:34.15 | bkw_ | doesn't matter |
| 22:34.17 | bkw_ | its my property |
| 22:34.21 | Squik | lecram: I tested the demo context, and the incoming context with s,1,Echo |
| 22:34.22 | Corydon76 | Are you sure the seller had the right to sell it to you? |
| 22:34.26 | bkw_ | ya |
| 22:34.37 | bkw_ | who knows it might just be fried |
| 22:34.48 | bkw_ | but we shall see the outcome of this |
| 22:34.53 | Corydon76 | My information is that those units are perpetually leased... |
| 22:35.02 | lecram | Squik: make that 1,Answer ... 2, Echo |
| 22:35.19 | bkw_ | Corydon76 hrm we shall see |
| 22:35.19 | lecram | Squik: and 3,hangup |
| 22:35.42 | Squik | lecram : trying |
| 22:35.47 | bkw_ | hey ManxPower you alive? |
| 22:36.08 | ManxPower | bkw_, mostly. |
| 22:36.10 | zoa2 | you will be fried :) |
| 22:36.19 | Corydon76 | Don't get yourself in legal trouble by trying to hack into somebody else's machine... |
| 22:36.33 | ManxPower | zoa2, My lightening bolts are still packed away in boxes. |
| 22:37.22 | Squik | lecram: nope |
| 22:37.29 | rollyson | argh, I have to reboot again, no ide-scsi |
| 22:37.34 | ManxPower | bkw_, I think jtodd bade a bood post about the locking of the ATAs on the mailing list a few months ago. |
| 22:37.36 | lecram | Squik: what do you see on console? |
| 22:37.43 | Squik | Corydon76: how to verify that ? |
| 22:37.44 | jtodd | bood post? |
| 22:37.45 | Corydon76 | Squik: is your x100p set to immediate=yes in zapata.conf? |
| 22:39.49 | Squik | lecram: nothing special when ringing with asterisk lanched like this : sterisk -vvvvvvvvvvvgc |
| 22:40.18 | Squik | Corydon76 : just tested with immediate=yes or immediate=no and nothing change |
| 22:40.32 | Corydon76 | Did you restart after changing that? |
| 22:40.49 | Squik | Corydon76: "stop now" and restart yes |
| 22:41.23 | Corydon76 | You need 1) immediate=yes for the channel, and 2) an s extension in the context specified (or default) |
| 22:41.44 | Corydon76 | And remember, the channel definition comes AFTER all parameters are defined in zapata.conf |
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| 22:45.37 | Squik | Corydon76: immediate and context are ok, by channel definition you mean [channel] or channel => 1 ? |
| 22:47.54 | lecram | channel => 1 |
| 22:48.24 | h3x | whoever wants my wholesale ratesheet for 2.5MM/Month msg me your email address |
| 22:49.38 | Squik | lecram: ok channel => 1 is at the end |
| 22:49.41 | Death_INC | actually, you don't need immediate=yes |
| 22:50.13 | Death_INC | if it rings it will pick it up, immediate=yes is for Zap lines that you want to automagically connect to somewhere when it goes off-hook |
| 22:50.15 | SplasPood | No way to give an iax account in iax.conf access to multiple contexts ? |
| 22:50.33 | Death_INC | although immediate=yes won't hurt it ;) |
| 22:51.13 | Squik | lecram : but no answering, I don't know where the prob lies, I am in europe , maybe something special with ring detection ? |
| 22:51.40 | lecram | Squik: so am I, no problems yet |
| 22:53.21 | Squik | is it ok with Koolstart ? |
| 22:53.39 | zoa2 | Spaspood: includes ? |
| 22:54.07 | Death_INC | Squik, you're using fxs signalling right? |
| 22:54.52 | Squik | fxsks=1 in zaptel.conf |
| 22:54.55 | lecram | Squik: does ztcfg -vvvv give you any errors? |
| 22:54.58 | SplasPood | zoa2: I guess thats what I'd have to do.. |
| 22:55.23 | Death_INC | and asterisk/zapata.conf has signalling = fxs_ks somewhere before channel => 1 right? |
| 22:56.15 | Squik | Channel 01: FXS Kewlstart (Default) (Slaves: 01),1 channels configured. |
| 22:56.49 | Squik | signalling=fxs_ks before channel=1 |
| 22:57.18 | Death_INC | do you ever get -- Starting simple switch on 'Zap/1-1' |
| 22:57.19 | Death_INC | ? |
| 22:58.24 | Squik | when lanching asterisk ?, searching ... |
| 22:58.40 | lecram | no.. when it rings |
| 22:58.43 | Death_INC | in * console |
| 22:58.46 | Death_INC | when it rings |
| 22:58.55 | Death_INC | when I removed my s exten, I get the following: |
| 22:58.59 | Death_INC | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.59 | Death_INC | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.59 | Death_INC | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.59 | Death_INC | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.12 | lecram | are you sure you can use Kewlstart ? |
| 22:59.15 | lecram | try loopstart |
| 22:59.31 | Death_INC | isnt kewlstart the same for ring signal? |
| 22:59.36 | ww | yes |
| 22:59.38 | Squik | never got, Starting simple switch on console :( |
| 22:59.56 | Squik | ok, I try loopstart |
| 22:59.56 | Death_INC | what do you get with "zap show channels" |
| 23:00.08 | ww | jtodd: ddns update of naptr records works. no problem :) |
| 23:00.11 | Squik | Chan. Num. Extension Context Language MusicOnH |
| 23:00.11 | Squik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.27 | ww | just need interface / rate calculation engine to know what to put in the dns |
| 23:00.56 | bkw_ | you don't rate or even use DNS when you write a rate engine |
| 23:01.32 | ww | nono. the idea was enum + ddns for lcr |
| 23:01.47 | Death_INC | heh, is your phone line actually plugged in? :b |
| 23:01.51 | ww | and it werks |
| 23:01.58 | bkw_ | enum solves half of the problem |
| 23:02.05 | jtodd | ww: Build a "howto" and send it to the list or post it on yer site - sounds like something more people should play with. |
| 23:02.24 | bkw_ | jtodd we need to rip the TRIP stuff from Vocal |
| 23:02.37 | jtodd | bkw_: Yes, but it's in C++ and doesn't even compile for me right now at all. |
| 23:02.44 | bkw_ | well that sucks |
| 23:02.48 | ww | jtodd: will do that presently... |
| 23:02.48 | Squik | rmmod zaptel/wcfxo and changed to loopstart in zaptel & zapata and no "Starting simple" ... |
| 23:02.48 | jtodd | TRIP back end with ENUM delivery. |
| 23:04.42 | lecram | okay... take the plug out of he card, and put it in a phone... see if it rings... |
| 23:04.51 | Squik | Deat_inc : ztmonitor -v 1 show me # moving when ringing, so it is pluged ... |
| 23:05.07 | Death_INC | heh |
| 23:05.14 | h3x | trip ? |
| 23:05.39 | Death_INC | oh you have loadzone=uk and defaultzone=uk right? |
| 23:07.09 | Squik | death_inc : hum fr |
| 23:07.12 | h3x | oh |
| 23:07.17 | h3x | telephony routing over ip |
| 23:09.43 | Squik | nothing more to test ? |
| 23:09.52 | lecram | did it work? |
| 23:10.10 | Squik | with loopstart, no |
| 23:10.11 | blitzrage | ww: then send it to me |
| 23:10.11 | zoa2 | should ztmonitor work for zaptel ? |
| 23:10.15 | zoa2 | euh |
| 23:10.17 | zoa2 | for pri ? |
| 23:10.23 | lecram | Squik: with the phone |
| 23:11.23 | Squik | lecram: the phone line works with a phone, and if Y plug a phone on the x100p, it rings |
| 23:11.50 | h3x | I ahve a better idea |
| 23:12.11 | lecram | Squik: okay... |
| 23:12.21 | h3x | How about adding libiax into vocal ? |
| 23:12.33 | Death_INC | can you dial out of the Zap interface? |
| 23:13.23 | lecram | Squik: Do you also have a FXO interface in there? |
| 23:13.23 | Squik | death_inc, good test, how can I do that ? |
| 23:14.10 | Squik | lecram: is my phone line fxo compatible ? |
| 23:14.17 | h3x | ew |
| 23:14.18 | h3x | radius |
| 23:14.22 | h3x | nevermind |
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| 23:15.15 | Squik | death_inc : can I launch a call from asterisk command line ? |
| 23:15.26 | Squik | deatch_inc : or from some zaptel tools ? |
| 23:15.37 | dant | Squik, 'dial' |
| 23:15.58 | lecram | Squik: no.. but a phone would be |
| 23:15.59 | Death_INC | Squik, under context "local" add: exten => 123,1,Dial(Zap/1/PHONENUMBER) |
| 23:16.09 | Death_INC | Squik then type "dial 123" from * console |
| 23:16.54 | Death_INC | (replace PHONENUMBER with a number to dial) |
| 23:18.15 | Squik | it works, my cell phone is called :) |
| 23:18.26 | Death_INC | ok then your interface is good |
| 23:18.51 | Squik | but asterisk, talks about warning with alsa, I don't bother isn't it ? |
| 23:19.03 | Death_INC | Squik, yea ignore that heh |
| 23:19.18 | Death_INC | thats just talking about playing sounds on sound card |
| 23:19.31 | Squik | death_inc : happy to know my x100p works ... |
| 23:19.58 | Squik | death_inc: just answering problem now |
| 23:20.03 | Death_INC | if you want me to I could ssh in and look at it for you... |
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| 23:31.46 | ww | jtodd: howto will hit the list shortly |
| 23:32.17 | ww | now to write a python wrapper for nsupdate... |
| 23:36.45 | bkw_ | jtodd i'm done with your request |
| 23:37.13 | zoa2 | what request ? |
| 23:37.28 | bkw_ | oh wait you only want 3 decimal points |
| 23:37.28 | bkw_ | hold on |
| 23:41.28 | bkw_ | ok done |
| 23:45.20 | loko-moko | how much bandwidth does a normal POTS phone call use |
| 23:46.13 | daork | loko-moko: 64kbit/s |
| 23:46.21 | loko-moko | thanks |
| 23:46.27 | Death_INC | loko-moko, you mean uncompressed? a pots line is 56kilobit, 64kilobit if you count signalling |
| 23:46.29 | loko-moko | what does gsm and ilbc use again? |
| 23:46.32 | ciego34 | how can include a delay for zap/1-1 ring 15 seg before * answer the call???? |
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| 23:48.48 | Death_INC | loko, http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2003-June/014788.html |
| 23:49.40 | Death_INC | loko, thats actual used, not codec bw.. let me find you page on codec bw |
| 23:50.56 | Death_INC | loko, GSM is 13.2kb/sec |
| 23:51.04 | bkw_ | not with overhead |
| 23:51.09 | loko-moko | so voip uses more than pots in bandwidth |
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| 23:51.21 | bkw_ | 32kbit with overhead |
| 23:51.47 | Death_INC | yea I gave him URL showing all that bkw |
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| 23:52.31 | Death_INC | bkw_, IAX is supposedly 26kbit w/ overhead ;) |
| 23:53.07 | Death_INC | loko-moko, I've had the best quality calls from iLBC personally |
| 23:53.45 | bkw_ | same here |
| 23:55.04 | loko-moko | coool |
| 23:55.07 | Death_INC | loko-moko, no, voip uses less than POTS... POTS is 64kbit, voip/gsm is about 32kbit... if you do trunking multiple lines, you decrease that |
| 23:55.25 | loko-moko | yea i misread you |
| 23:55.47 | h3x | hah |
| 23:55.51 | h3x | GSM rules all over ilbc |
| 23:55.53 | h3x | for trunking |
| 23:56.02 | Death_INC | yah I don't trunk heh |
| 23:56.09 | bkw_ | h3x how so? |
| 23:56.12 | bkw_ | bandwidth? |
| 23:56.15 | bkw_ | or other? |
| 23:56.17 | dant | g.711 > 64kbit |
| 23:56.33 | h3x | 68 calls per megabit vs. 47 |
| 23:56.44 | h3x | requires more iax2 overhead |
| 23:56.54 | Death_INC | h3x, why is that anyways? |
| 23:57.03 | h3x | proabbly has to do with sample size or something |
| 23:59.32 | h3x | heh its soort of inaccurate |
| 23:59.36 | Death_INC | speex is pretty good too, need more configuration available for speex in * |
