| 13:01.07 | jsmith | Top o' the morning... |
| 14:04.21 | *** join/#asterisk-doc Alric (n=nbowyer@68-113-208-132.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 14:04.43 | Alric | Found this for dealing with DST changes on old linux machines (that can't be easily upgraded) |
| 14:04.49 | Alric | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~help/dst/solaris_and_linux_systems.html |
| 14:04.50 | brac | [Time Zone Change Information] |
| 14:37.43 | jsmith | ~seen ctooley |
| 14:37.46 | jbot | ctooley <n=ctooley@rrcs-71-42-115-242.sw.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #tomcat, 8d 18h 7m 27s ago, saying: 'I'm trying to figure out how to make Tomcat 5.5 server up regular files instead of a servlet.'. |
| 15:14.05 | Alric | I love it when you get messages like "xxx is having yyy problem and would like it fixed." |
| 15:14.16 | Alric | Well obviously they'd like it fixed! Who wants to have an outstanding problem! |
| 15:15.46 | jsmith | Sounds like my day... |
| 15:16.49 | Alric | Today is "Fight with RH9 and Cisco phones with DST" day. |
| 15:25.38 | jsmith | What, the Cisco phone thing is easy.... |
| 15:25.48 | jsmith | And the RH9 thing isn't that much harder |
| 15:28.37 | Alric | You have any idea if going from CentOS 4.4 to CentOS 5 will be as simple as 4.3 -> 4.4? |
| 15:35.14 | jsmith | Nope. |
| 15:35.27 | jsmith | It *should* work, but because it's a major release, I'd say re-install |
| 15:35.34 | jsmith | Don't depend on an upgrade to work |
| 15:37.06 | Alric | See, thats problematic. |
| 15:38.23 | jsmith | Because... |
| 15:38.29 | Alric | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.39 | jsmith | Would you expect an upgrade from Windows ME to Windows XP to work? |
| 15:39.04 | Alric | I expect nothing from Microsoft to work as advertised. |
| 15:40.07 | jsmith | Aside from being from Microsoft... upgrading an OS from one major version to the next is a painful thing. |
| 15:40.19 | jsmith | Because *everything* changes. |
| 15:40.28 | jsmith | All the system libraries |
| 15:40.46 | Alric | Its problematic for this reason exactly. If those RH9 servers had been upgradable to something else, I wouldn't be experiencing this DST nightmare. |
| 15:41.03 | jsmith | They were... Red Hat Enterprise |
| 15:41.30 | Alric | Just a simple upgrade? No complete reinstall needed? |
| 15:41.35 | jsmith | The upgrade from RH9 to the first version of RHEL was supported |
| 15:42.05 | Alric | what about RHEL1 -> RHEL2? |
| 15:42.20 | jsmith | Tell me this... how much of your CentOS 4.4 box is stock, and how much is extra packages, things you've compiled, etc? |
| 15:42.44 | Alric | asterisk, zaptel, libpri, and in some cases not even that are extra / compiled. |
| 15:42.47 | jsmith | I don't remember RHEL1 -> RHEL2... but I know RHEL3 to RHEL4 wasn't, because of the jump to the 2.6 kernel, etc. |
| 15:43.05 | jsmith | About the only thing I can tell you is to try it. |
| 15:43.27 | Alric | So what do you do on old PBXs you have out there? |
| 15:43.33 | Alric | Just let them happily run outdated linux? |
| 15:46.22 | jsmith | Depends on the client |
| 15:46.43 | jsmith | I strongly encourage them to upgrade major versions of their OS about every 18 to 24 months |
| 15:46.56 | jsmith | And to keep it updated at least monthly with update packages |
| 15:47.11 | jsmith | I explain to them that it's a living breathing thing, and needs to be cared for |
| 15:49.52 | Alric | I guess this is a really good argument for a standardized system with hotswap HDs / flash card storage media. |
| 15:50.12 | Alric | Load up their stuff on their new HDs / flash cards, take the stuff out there, swap, done in 5 minutes. |
| 15:50.54 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 15:51.24 | Alric | voip-info.org not working for anyone else? |
| 15:51.40 | jsmith | Not working for me. |
| 15:52.04 | Alric | Crazy. |
| 15:52.09 | Alric | dst_stop_week_of_month: 8 ; Week of month in which DST stops 8=last week of month |
| 15:52.28 | jsmith | dst_stop_week_of_month: 1; |
| 15:52.34 | jsmith | First week of November, right? |
| 15:52.35 | Alric | Can anyone explain why Cisco thought it intelligent to include 8 as the week of the month? :) |
| 15:52.37 | Alric | yeah. |
| 15:52.50 | jsmith | It's a way of saying "the last week of the month"; |
| 15:53.08 | Alric | Confuses the heck out of people like me :( |
| 15:53.38 | Alric | Who look at it, think that there can't possibly be 8 weeks in a month, then assume its YetAnotherMisnamedVariable. |
| 15:56.20 | Alric | I guess it makes sense though. Don't know how else you'd do it :/ |
| 16:11.49 | Alric | rofl |
| 16:12.01 | Alric | Geico's little marriage spiel "Sold on Hold" is amusing. |
| 16:13.58 | jsmith | Haven't seen it. |
| 16:14.12 | jsmith | But I do live less than 10 miles from the Geico hq |
| 16:18.10 | Alric | Interesting... |
| 16:18.17 | Alric | I did save a ton of money by switching to GEICO |
| 16:44.33 | jsmith | Cool |
| 16:48.35 | file | jsmith: there. |
| 16:48.45 | file | jsmith: can you do a preliminary test with the branch? |
| 16:53.48 | jsmith | Sure |
| 16:54.01 | jsmith | It'll probably be first thing tomorrow (say 6:30am EDT) |
| 16:56.22 | jsmith | Is the branch off of 1.2 or 1.4 or trunk? |
| 16:57.52 | file | 1.2 |
| 16:58.18 | jsmith | Hmmmn... this client is using 1.4... |
| 16:58.32 | jsmith | Oh... wait... |
| 16:58.33 | jsmith | No! |
| 16:58.38 | jsmith | This client *is* using 1.2 |
| 16:58.53 | jsmith | Yes, I'll try it. |
| 16:59.11 | jsmith | I'll change them over first thing in the morning... and they'll start getting calls about 9:00am EDT |
| 16:59.35 | jsmith | I solve one, and another one pops up |
| 16:59.51 | jsmith | I just conquered a stupid Vicidial problem this morning by rewriting a whole bunch of AGI |
| 17:00.08 | jsmith | I can tell my AGI chapter must not be very good, as nobody seems to know how to do it right! |
| 17:22.42 | Alric | dangit |
| 17:22.48 | Alric | tzdata update didn't work. |
| 17:22.52 | jsmith | :-( |
| 17:25.45 | Alric | I downloaded the tzdata2007c... |
| 17:26.14 | Alric | ran /usr/sbin/zic -L ./leapseconds -y ./yearistype.sh <file> for each of the little country filenames |
| 17:26.44 | Alric | then copied zone.tab and that iso.tab file into /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| 17:27.36 | jsmith | http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2006/03/msg00578.html |
| 17:28.49 | jsmith | That entire thread is pretty good |
| 17:29.05 | jsmith | (Australia centric, but pretty good) |
| 17:29.09 | Alric | Okay. Thanks. |
| 17:41.43 | Juggie | jsmith, there is no standard for writing AGI |
| 17:41.45 | Juggie | thats the problem |
| 17:42.05 | Juggie | its going to be hard to document anything you can write in 10 different programming languages |
| 17:42.07 | jsmith | Juggie: Yes there is. |
| 17:42.18 | jsmith | Juggie: There are three fundamental rules of AGI scripting |
| 17:42.29 | jsmith | 1) Read the list of variables at startup |
| 17:42.41 | jsmith | 2) Send commands to STDOUT |
| 17:43.00 | Juggie | that seems simple enough, but when you leave it to people to implement it in 10 dif languages its a different story :) |
| 17:43.04 | jsmith | 3) *ALWAYS* read the response of the last command, and don't send another commmand until you've read the response of the last |
| 17:43.24 | jsmith | Juggie: C'mon... I showed three different languages... it can't be *that* hard to extrapolate |
| 17:43.33 | jsmith | Besides, this one was in *PERL* for crying out loud. |
| 17:43.43 | jsmith | And they tried to use the Asterisk::AGI module |
| 17:43.53 | jsmith | and *still* messed up royally |
| 17:44.57 | Juggie | what we have here is people who shoudnt be writing code :) |
| 17:45.18 | Juggie | like blitzrage ;) |
| 17:45.52 | Juggie | Alric, your distro probally has an update. |
| 17:46.05 | Juggie | i even found an update for redhat 9 |
| 17:46.29 | Alric | Eh? |
| 17:46.35 | Alric | I'm seeing 0 updates :( |
| 17:46.46 | Juggie | is it redhat 9 your working with? |
| 17:46.54 | Alric | Yeah. |
| 17:47.06 | Juggie | find a fedoralegacy mirror thats still up |
| 17:47.15 | Juggie | and install the glibc updates. |
| 17:47.28 | Juggie | theres no tzdata rpm in redhat |
| 17:47.33 | Alric | Yeah. |
| 17:47.39 | Alric | not until RHEL2 |
| 17:47.42 | Juggie | the updates are included w/ glibc |
| 17:48.22 | Juggie | http://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedoralegacy/redhat/9/ |
| 17:48.31 | Juggie | i suggest setting up yum to point there. |
| 17:48.37 | Juggie | and then installing what you need |
| 17:50.19 | Juggie | i updated my old pentium120 redhat 9 box |
| 17:50.20 | Juggie | worked fine ;) |
| 17:50.56 | Alric | RH9 no have yum. |
| 17:53.42 | Alric | ugh |
| 17:53.51 | Alric | and the Fedora Legacy page to install yum is full of broken links. |
| 17:54.37 | Juggie | yes |
| 17:54.40 | Juggie | because FL shut down |
| 17:54.41 | Juggie | http://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedoralegacy/redhat/9/legacy-utils/i386/ |
| 17:54.46 | Alric | ugh. |
| 17:54.58 | Alric | Redhat... always shutting things down. |
| 17:55.05 | Juggie | use that mirror |
| 17:55.09 | Juggie | all the files you need are there |
| 17:55.28 | Alric | baseurl=that? |
| 17:55.43 | Juggie | yes |
| 17:55.47 | Juggie | once you get yum installed |
| 17:56.13 | Juggie | your baseurl=http://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedoralegacy/redhat/$releasever.... etc.. |
| 17:56.35 | Alric | Weird... no packages available to update |
| 17:56.48 | Juggie | show me your baseurl |
| 17:56.55 | Alric | I just pasted in what you put. |
| 17:57.07 | Juggie | theres more |
| 17:57.13 | Juggie | and i didnt spell server right even |
| 17:57.27 | Juggie | i was just saying thats how it looks |
| 17:57.34 | Juggie | there are two variables in the baseurl |
| 17:58.25 | Alric | baseurl=http://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedoralegacy/redhat/9/$basearch/ |
| 17:59.53 | Juggie | let me log into my rh9 box |
| 17:59.55 | Juggie | i'll tell you what it is |
| 18:02.30 | Juggie | [base] |
| 18:02.30 | Juggie | name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - Base |
| 18:02.30 | Juggie | baseurl=http://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedoralegacy/redhat/$releasever/os/$basearch/ |
| 18:02.30 | Juggie | gpgcheck=1 |
| 18:02.30 | Juggie | [updates-released] |
| 18:02.30 | Juggie | name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - Released Updates |
| 18:02.32 | Juggie | baseurl=http://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedoralegacy/redhat/$releasever/updates/$basearch/ |
| 18:02.34 | Juggie | gpgcheck=1 |
| 18:04.09 | Alric | Cool |
| 18:04.42 | Alric | What is this updating to? |
| 18:04.51 | Juggie | i woudnt install all the updates |
| 18:04.57 | Juggie | unless your feeling brave |
| 18:05.07 | Alric | not really. |
| 18:05.10 | Alric | there's over a hundred. |
| 18:05.12 | Juggie | its just RH9 latest packages |
| 18:05.22 | Juggie | just install glibc glibc-common glibc-devel |
| 18:05.33 | Alric | thats not possible...these machines were fully updated whenever RH9 went under. |
| 18:05.45 | Alric | Could these be FC1 packages? |
| 18:05.51 | Juggie | Alric, fedora legacy kept updating the packages |
| 18:06.05 | Alric | Ah |
| 18:06.11 | Juggie | and now they are gone under |
| 18:06.23 | Juggie | anyways, just 'yum update glibc glibc-common glibc-devel' |
| 18:07.57 | Juggie | then 'zdump -v /etc/localhost|grep 2007' should be correct. |
| 18:08.04 | brac | then 'zdump -v /etc/localhost|grep 2007' should be $150 or less |
| 18:08.12 | Juggie | shut up brac you dipshit. |
| 18:08.22 | Alric | yum won't update just those packages. |
| 18:08.27 | Alric | its wanting to update everything. |
| 18:09.17 | Juggie | is it just downloading headers? |
| 18:09.32 | Alric | Right now it is. |
| 18:09.36 | Juggie | yeah thats nothing |
| 18:09.40 | Juggie | it just downloads all those |
| 18:09.42 | Alric | Oh. Older yum? |
| 18:09.50 | Juggie | maybe. |
| 18:09.56 | Alric | I guess this is why I liked apt. |
| 18:10.00 | Juggie | it downloads all avail headers and stores them locally |
| 18:10.27 | Juggie | once it finished that it should just present you with the option to update the packages you typed in |
| 18:10.31 | Juggie | plus any dependencies |
| 18:13.08 | Alric | I want a new Mac :( |
| 18:13.23 | file | I want my link to the office to not suck right now |
| 18:16.34 | file | settled out |
| 18:18.41 | Alric | hrm |
| 18:18.44 | Alric | missing some GPG keys. |
| 18:20.34 | Juggie | rpm --import http://www.fedoralegacy.org/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY |
| 18:20.43 | Alric | Thanks |
| 18:21.19 | Juggie | then run same command again |
| 18:21.27 | Juggie | it wont download headers this time :) |
| 18:21.44 | Alric | Yeah :) |
| 18:22.10 | Alric | Might pick up some updated PHP. That would be nice... |
| 18:28.30 | Alric | zdump: warning: zone "/etc/localhost" abbreviation "/etc/localhost" lacks alphabetic at start |
| 18:29.04 | Juggie | what did you type |
| 18:29.07 | Juggie | paste it |
| 18:29.08 | Alric | zdump: warning: zone "/etc/localhost" abbreviation "/etc/localhost" lacks alphabetic at start |
| 18:29.10 | Alric | err |
| 18:29.14 | Alric | zdump -v /etc/localhost|grep 2007 |
| 18:29.33 | Alric | heh |
| 18:29.34 | Alric | localtime |
| 18:29.39 | Juggie | haha |
| 18:29.40 | Juggie | nice |
| 18:29.50 | Juggie | thats my bad |
| 18:29.53 | Juggie | brain fart :) |
| 18:30.00 | Juggie | i said localhost too a while back. |
| 18:30.19 | Alric | I copied what you put :P |
| 18:30.24 | Juggie | yeah |
| 18:30.28 | Juggie | like i said my fault :) |
| 18:30.31 | Juggie | so did it work. |
| 18:30.31 | Alric | how do you change the timezone a server is in? |
| 18:30.36 | Alric | Well, not sure. |
| 18:30.45 | Juggie | you dont have to change |
| 18:30.58 | Juggie | let me look up the command |
| 18:31.00 | Alric | my 'date' is still an hour off. |
| 18:32.26 | Juggie | paste what date says. |
| 18:32.38 | Alric | Tue Mar 13 14:32:33 EDT 2007 |
| 18:32.46 | Juggie | ok it knows its EDT then |
| 18:32.49 | Juggie | it just didnt do the time change |
| 18:32.58 | Juggie | so just run a 'ntpdate time.windows.com' |
| 18:32.59 | Alric | Yeah, I think it thinks its in EDT... |
| 18:33.05 | Juggie | and you are not? |
| 18:33.13 | Alric | Nope. |
| 18:33.17 | Alric | I'm CDT. |
| 18:33.20 | Juggie | ah |
| 18:34.06 | Alric | Weird. |
| 18:34.14 | Alric | One server is reporting that their glibc is all up to date. |
| 18:34.19 | Alric | But its /etc/localtime is still messed up. |
| 18:34.51 | Alric | ah. new file was .rpmnew |
| 18:34.59 | Alric | 13 Mar 14:33:05 ntpdate[1375]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 18:35.07 | Alric | thats what I got when I tried to ntpdate |
| 18:35.52 | Alric | Oh weird. |
| 18:36.07 | Alric | Nvm. I'm not thinking correctly. |
| 18:36.10 | Juggie | that means the box is running a ntpserver |
| 18:36.15 | Alric | Yeah, it is. |
| 18:36.26 | Juggie | so its correct? |
| 18:36.36 | Alric | No, still an hour off... |
| 18:36.46 | Alric | hour ahead |
| 18:36.48 | Juggie | ok, you need to mv /etc/localtime /etc/localtime.old |
| 18:36.51 | Alric | another box is an hour behind... |
| 18:37.05 | Alric | I replaced the old localtime with the new localtime from the glibc package already. |
| 18:37.17 | Juggie | thats not what i'm going to tell you to do :) |
| 18:37.22 | Juggie | ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam /etc/localtime |
| 18:37.26 | Juggie | or whatever your timezone is. |
| 18:38.07 | Alric | that is the proper date/time now. |
| 18:38.34 | Alric | so it just picked the wrong timezone to install? |
| 18:40.13 | Juggie | i dunno |
| 18:40.17 | Juggie | or it got messed up somehow |
| 18:41.07 | Juggie | http://www.wikihow.com/Change-the-Timezone-in-Linux |
| 18:41.10 | Juggie | look @ step 6 and 7 |
| 18:41.14 | Juggie | make sure your systems are ok |
| 18:42.24 | Alric | Yeah, they're good. |
| 18:47.57 | Juggie | your welcome |
| 18:48.36 | Alric | Thank you very much! :) |
| 18:57.36 | Alric | Yay! All done! |
| 19:02.51 | jsmith | file: I'm getting a 301 error when trying to check out that branch |
| 19:03.06 | file | a 301 error? erm |
| 19:03.26 | jsmith | Weird... I just tried it again, and now it's working |
| 19:04.26 | Alric | Blame blitzen. He's not here today. |
| 19:04.44 | jsmith | I wouldn't blame him today... he's got enough to deal with |
| 19:05.10 | Alric | I guess leprechauns are good enough then. |
| 19:20.39 | file | jsmith: the basic group counting should work, I just need it tested to make sure it works under the scenario before changing the rest |
| 19:22.03 | Juggie | i didnt do it! :) |
| 19:22.13 | Juggie | i was in the shower! |
| 19:22.20 | Alric | Aren't you at work? |
| 19:22.22 | jsmith | file: Sounds good... it'll be tested tomorrow. |
| 19:24.08 | Juggie | Alric, no, i have hollidays i must use every year that cant be carried over |
| 19:24.13 | Juggie | so i used one today. |
| 19:24.18 | Juggie | today is 'volonteer day' :) |
| 19:24.22 | Alric | Its March... |
| 19:24.27 | Juggie | yes. |
| 19:24.31 | Juggie | fiscal year smart ass |
| 19:24.41 | Juggie | ends march31st |
| 19:24.43 | Alric | Oh, when does your dis... ah. |
| 19:24.58 | Alric | So are you off until April 1st? :) |
| 19:25.01 | Juggie | no |
| 19:25.09 | Juggie | i only get one volonteer day and one personal day. |
| 19:25.14 | Juggie | which do not carry over. |
| 19:25.37 | Alric | Seems like you get off work at the drop of a hat :) |
| 19:25.49 | Alric | Your job must be really stressful to make up for it, right? |
| 19:25.55 | Juggie | sometimes. |
| 19:27.48 | Juggie | i'm going out now to buy some new sneakers |
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| 21:57.32 | jsmith | file: Mind if I ping you about a SIP config question? |
| 21:57.58 | file | sure |
| 21:58.01 | jsmith | file: If I have incominglimit and outgoinglimit set for a SIP peer... and then take those lines out of sip.conf and do a sip reload |
| 21:58.18 | file | that's... ungood territory to go in |
| 21:58.19 | jsmith | file: The call limits are still in affect until I restart Asterisk, right? |
| 21:58.33 | jsmith | file: Unless I explicity set the call limits to something else before I reload |
| 21:58.50 | file | I'll just say yes, because restarting in that scenario is a good thing |
| 22:01.34 | jsmith | :-( |
| 22:01.46 | jsmith | So, let's say I can't restart the server |