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| 14:53.31 | blitzrage | trelane: ping2! |
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| 18:01.02 | trelane_ | help me, I'm stuck in a comms closet and I cant get out! |
| 18:01.10 | trelane_ | Alric, greetings |
| 18:01.22 | Alric | hehe. |
| 18:01.29 | Alric | I'm stuck in server design work :( |
| 18:01.31 | trelane_ | (metaphorically speaking of course) |
| 18:01.34 | trelane_ | icky |
| 18:01.37 | trelane_ | what are you designing? |
| 18:01.39 | Alric | Or at least server procurement. |
| 18:01.48 | Alric | I'm looking for the perfect PBX platform :) |
| 18:02.02 | trelane_ | how many extensions, and what PSTN/sip connectivity? |
| 18:02.25 | Alric | Thats the thing, its a model, so it needs to fit a range of things. |
| 18:02.32 | trelane_ | ok what's the greatest extreme? |
| 18:02.58 | trelane_ | (since I'm stuck in a comms closet and all |
| 18:03.00 | Alric | Well, it depends on an assumption. |
| 18:03.12 | trelane_ | those generally come back to bite you later |
| 18:03.16 | Alric | I've assumed that 2 Quad T1 cards in the same box will work :) |
| 18:03.23 | Alric | If you put enough horsepower into the box. |
| 18:03.25 | trelane_ | they _should_ |
| 18:03.33 | trelane_ | but it's going to require a TON of cpu power |
| 18:03.45 | Alric | Well, its not hard to get 4 Cores these days... |
| 18:03.59 | trelane_ | yeah but threading in asterisk isn't necessarily as good as we'd like |
| 18:04.08 | trelane_ | (though in the future it will be) |
| 18:04.30 | Alric | Ideally, it'd be a 1U/2U machine, dual CPU capable, dual PSU, and not very deep. |
| 18:04.37 | Alric | And not extremely loud :) |
| 18:06.13 | trelane_ | would you like a winning lottery ticket with that? |
| 18:06.24 | Alric | Please :) |
| 18:06.50 | Alric | I believe this is why I haven't found it yet. What I want doesn't exactly come "made to order". |
| 18:06.55 | trelane_ | ok, 1. it's going to be loud. 2. if it's 1u it's going to be REALLY loud (think 747 during takeoff) 3. dual cpu and dual psu is a good idea |
| 18:07.17 | trelane_ | 4. racks are all extremely deep, such is life, move on |
| 18:07.35 | trelane_ | I'd try an opteron based 2u eserver or such |
| 18:07.44 | Alric | Hmmm |
| 18:08.00 | Alric | So 1U is going to be very loud? |
| 18:08.03 | trelane_ | at least you'll save on PPW |
| 18:08.07 | Alric | I've only seen Apple XServes. |
| 18:08.09 | Alric | PPW? |
| 18:08.13 | trelane_ | yeah the little 1-2cm fans scream |
| 18:08.15 | Alric | Oh, Price per Watt. |
| 18:08.18 | trelane_ | performance per watt |
| 18:08.22 | trelane_ | price per watt |
| 18:08.38 | trelane_ | I was looking more at performance, but you can go either way |
| 18:08.42 | trelane_ | the opterons win |
| 18:08.52 | Alric | I just think the majority of our customers will freak with a huge (deep) PBX coming in the door. |
| 18:08.59 | Alric | I freaked a bit when I opened my 2U Supermicro :) |
| 18:09.25 | trelane_ | have you looked at non-rack options |
| 18:09.34 | trelane_ | I mean they're talking 96 lines worth of PSTN connectivity |
| 18:09.35 | trelane_ | so |
| 18:09.42 | trelane_ | if they don't like a deep rack unit they can zark straight off |
| 18:09.43 | trelane_ | but |
| 18:09.52 | trelane_ | err 2x96 |
| 18:10.06 | Alric | This is true. |
| 18:10.18 | trelane_ | it's always nice to have your cake and eat it |
| 18:10.21 | Alric | The sound of the thing booting up also blew me away. |
| 18:10.40 | Alric | I've never really been around a true performance rackmount server. |
| 18:10.41 | trelane_ | servers are ugly, servers are loud, best to live with it, or you'll go mad. |
| 18:11.04 | trelane_ | 4 5 4 5 |
| 18:11.05 | trelane_ | yay! |
| 18:11.22 | Alric | I think I'll go mad :P |
| 18:11.30 | trelane_ | I did that once |
| 18:11.33 | trelane_ | made a huge difference |
| 18:11.37 | trelane_ | I feel better now :) |
| 18:12.07 | trelane_ | though now I'm locked in a comms closet |
| 18:12.07 | trelane_ | so |
| 18:12.15 | trelane_ | your mileage may vary |
| 18:12.34 | Alric | :) |
| 18:12.54 | Alric | I'm used to using Dell 400SCs as servers. |
| 18:13.30 | Alric | So yeah. A Supermicro 6024RB was a bit of a shock. |
| 18:14.47 | trelane_ | I've got two dual p3 supermicro 1u's in here, a dell 4600, a fiber to copper media converter chassis and a 52 port switch |
| 18:14.56 | trelane_ | there's a wonderful hum in the air |
| 18:15.18 | trelane_ | the problem btw with the small fans is that its' not the woosh of air, they have a tonal harmonic |
| 18:15.30 | trelane_ | so it really sounds like a jet engine |
| 18:15.31 | trelane_ | very high and whiny because of the ball bearings |
| 18:15.33 | Alric | heh |
| 18:17.37 | trelane_ | I think you're going to have to live wtih the size and the noise |
| 18:17.44 | trelane_ | and if customers don't like it tell them they're flat out of luck |
| 18:18.52 | Alric | Hmmm. |
| 18:20.46 | trelane_ | it's a server |
| 18:20.57 | trelane_ | it should go in a temperature controlled enviornmentally and sound insulated environment |
| 18:21.07 | trelane_ | don't let them cheap you out of doing it right |
| 18:21.24 | trelane_ | environ, redundant power, maybe even redundant servers |
| 18:21.40 | Alric | Hmmm. |
| 18:22.02 | Alric | I think I know what I need to do. |
| 18:22.35 | Alric | I keep trying to build a single box that will service 30 extensions, or 250 :) |
| 18:22.57 | Alric | And work in an array of different environments. Don't see that happening :) |
| 18:24.50 | trelane_ | it can but it's not worth doing |
| 18:24.54 | trelane_ | start looking at chipset families |
| 18:25.08 | Alric | chipset families? |
| 18:27.52 | trelane_ | intel or nvidia (arch's with common drivers) |
| 18:28.14 | Alric | Yeah |
| 18:28.20 | trelane_ | my servers run on nvidia chipsets and amd sempron athlon or athlon x2 (stretching to opteron which I've yet to have need for) |
| 18:28.41 | trelane_ | currently I have a sempron 3100+ and 512mb ram running a t1 just fine |
| 18:28.47 | trelane_ | 40 extensions |
| 18:28.52 | trelane_ | 4000 min /day |
| 18:30.33 | trelane_ | anyway I'm checking in with some people and trying to break out of the comms closet |
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| 18:58.11 | blitzrage | trelane`: still around? |
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| 20:11.27 | Alric | Hey hey |
| 20:14.11 | jsmith | Alric! |
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| 20:14.16 | Alric | Jared! |
| 20:14.27 | Alric | Ever play with a mini-ITX? |
| 20:14.40 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 20:14.43 | jsmith | It's expensive |
| 20:14.45 | jsmith | It's slow |
| 20:14.53 | jsmith | And I hate not having a plethora of PCI slots. |
| 20:14.56 | jsmith | Why? |
| 20:15.06 | Alric | Looked at a 1ghz mini-ITX box as a PBX. |
| 20:15.20 | Alric | Looking for around 25 concurrent calls. |
| 20:15.38 | blitzrage | soekris |
| 20:15.53 | blitzrage | pci slot and should do 25 concurrent at ulaw |
| 20:16.35 | Alric | Hmm |
| 20:16.37 | Alric | How much would that be? |
| 20:16.46 | blitzrage | not too much... not sure the cost |
| 20:16.54 | blitzrage | like $200-$300 maybe? |
| 20:17.07 | Alric | The one I was looking at was $469 or so, with 40 gb HD and 256mb ram. |
| 20:17.08 | blitzrage | 3 network ports, serial, and 1 PCI |
| 20:17.26 | Alric | only 1 network port though. |
| 20:19.56 | Alric | Thats another thing. I don't want to assemble these things. |
| 20:20.11 | Alric | I'd rather buy a model off the shelf that has specifications ~= to what I've "outlined" |
| 20:25.18 | Alric | How good are those CPUs? |
| 20:30.16 | blitzrage | no idea -- haven't done heavy testing , but no moving parts |
| 20:30.24 | Alric | Unless you use an HD. |
| 20:30.32 | blitzrage | I guess |
| 20:30.36 | Alric | And I'm not too keen on all the work needed to make it a CF-based system. |
| 20:30.51 | blitzrage | all the work? |
| 20:30.54 | blitzrage | there isn't that much work |
| 20:31.11 | Alric | Turning the filesystem into a patchwork of symlinks and ramdisks? :) |
| 20:31.15 | blitzrage | astlinux |
| 20:31.17 | blitzrage | done |
| 20:31.36 | Alric | Hmmm |
| 20:34.10 | Alric | Does PHP work? |
| 20:34.15 | Alric | Have you used astlinux? |
| 20:42.25 | trelane` | Alric, look elsewhere |
| 20:42.29 | trelane` | I'm not a huge fan of the epia's |
| 20:42.40 | Alric | epia's? |
| 20:42.51 | Alric | Look elsewhere in what regard? :) |
| 20:43.39 | trelane` | mini-itd |
| 20:43.41 | trelane` | mini-itx |
| 20:44.11 | Alric | epia is what exactly? |
| 20:44.18 | trelane` | the via mini-itx platform |
| 20:44.22 | Alric | Oh. |
| 20:44.27 | trelane` | (the most prominent mini-itx platform on the market) |
| 20:44.32 | Alric | Would soekris be better? |
| 20:44.48 | trelane` | I havn't but a good kick in the balls would be better so I'm assuming soekris would be too |
| 20:45.09 | Alric | Whee. |
| 20:45.34 | Alric | What kind of problems have been associated with the epia? |
| 20:46.18 | trelane` | the driver support isn't the greatest |
| 20:46.43 | trelane` | they also have this issue with their products being vaporware (unless someone wants to pull an epia-DP out of their ass? |
| 20:46.44 | trelane` | ) |
| 20:47.04 | trelane` | I have an epia in this system here, they're good for 'doze desktops and thinclients but that's about it |
| 20:47.06 | Alric | Fun. |
| 20:47.20 | trelane` | I've built a few dozen of them so I speak from experience |
| 20:47.47 | trelane` | none as PBX's |
| 20:48.17 | trelane` | the EPIA-PD (iirc) has two network ports and I was deploying them as sff squid caching servers/firewalls running clarkconnect |
| 20:48.35 | trelane` | they do well enough up to 50 or so people surfing the web so long as you feed them enough ram |
| 20:49.25 | trelane` | lack of good SATA support, the units with things like cf or SD card slots can't boot from them making them useless for embedded, and the cpu's are underpowered and generally don't support the full i686 command set (meaning no mmx, meaning transcoding totally sucks) |
| 20:50.41 | trelane` | they run at 1ghz, realistically you get the performance of a P3 800 minus mmx minus sse etc etc |
| 20:51.35 | Alric | Sounds like enough reason to avoid them. |
| 20:51.47 | Alric | Wonder how the soekris gets away with so much with such a tiny CPU... |
| 20:57.43 | trelane` | no transcoding? |
| 20:57.52 | trelane` | dedicated FPU? |
| 20:57.56 | trelane` | plenty of tricks |
| 20:58.31 | trelane` | and MHz != performance (Ever) (yes even if Intel tells you it does) (yes I know they finally figured it out and went to model numbers) (no I don't understand the model numbers either) |
| 20:58.55 | Alric | You sure do have lots of thoughts bouncing around :) |
| 21:00.20 | trelane` | I'm doing your research for you :) |
| 21:00.29 | Alric | Whee! |
| 21:04.48 | Alric | Still locked in the comms closet? |
| 21:05.46 | trelane` | nope |
| 21:05.48 | trelane` | escaped |
| 21:06.33 | blitzrage | he feels sorry for you :) |
| 21:25.47 | trelane` | yay! |
| 21:25.58 | trelane` | Alric, we all start there, I have a strong hardware background |
| 21:26.09 | trelane` | the comments in parenthesis are for your benefit, memorize them |
| 21:26.29 | blitzrage | trelane`: ok -- you have a login now! |
| 21:26.31 | trelane` | especially the shot at intel's chip designs being backwards (MHz means something) and their model numbers being confusing |
| 21:26.32 | trelane` | YAY |
| 21:26.39 | trelane` | where's the svn serverthingy? |
| 21:26.57 | blitzrage | good question... let me look it up :) |
| 21:27.24 | trelane` | back in a minute |
| 21:27.31 | trelane` | I'm testing tortoisesvn |
| 21:29.06 | Alric | I have a strong... nothing background :) |
| 21:29.19 | Alric | I've classically been a programmer, but I'm a business guy "by profession" |
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| 22:09.38 | trelane_ | ok |
| 22:09.43 | trelane_ | I need to write something so I can commit it |
| 22:09.46 | trelane_ | yes writing must be done. |
| 22:18.03 | Alric | Why oh why is it only Monday! :( |
| 22:18.38 | trelane_ | BECAUSE! it gives me 5 more days to write until the weekend at which point I shall write again! |
| 22:26.27 | trelane_ | jsmith_, got a sec for some quick help with CVS? I need to check in 4 recipes and I'm not entirely sure where to put them (And don't want to do any rearranging on my first commit) |
| 22:26.57 | jsmith_ | Which CVS server? |
| 22:27.18 | trelane_ | cbook |
| 22:28.02 | trelane_ | cvs svn |
| 22:28.03 | trelane_ | something anyway |
| 22:28.53 | jsmith_ | Sure, I can helpl |
| 22:28.59 | jsmith_ | s/helpl/help/ |
| 22:29.10 | trelane_ | poor jsmith even the bot mocks you :) |
| 22:29.30 | jsmith_ | Yup |
| 22:29.43 | trelane_ | ok I've got an article on hardware timing I'm stuffing that in preparing your system |
| 22:30.11 | trelane_ | as well as a recipe on asterisk -rx (though we'll probably create a command line/CLI> chapter later |
| 22:30.16 | blitzrage | trelane_: fyi jsmith_ might not know what you're talking about :) |
| 22:30.21 | trelane_ | ok |
| 22:30.27 | trelane_ | well I've been beating on you for like 5 minutes :) |
| 22:30.33 | blitzrage | sorry, was off working on something :) |
| 22:30.41 | trelane_ | (I stole it from file) |
| 22:31.00 | jsmith_ | blitzrage: Get back to work, you slacker! |
| 22:31.04 | jsmith_ | blitzrage: You're running out of time! |
| 22:31.04 | blitzrage | trelane_: first thing you need to do is this: |
| 22:31.05 | trelane_ | where do you want the recipe for extension hinting? |
| 22:31.10 | blitzrage | svn add <file> |
| 22:31.13 | blitzrage | then |
| 22:31.19 | blitzrage | svn commit -m "This is my commit message" |
| 22:31.27 | trelane_ | blitzrage, I've got a useful front end thing |
| 22:31.30 | trelane_ | I just plug them into the tree |
| 22:31.38 | trelane_ | click commit and type in the message |
| 22:31.47 | blitzrage | ahhh |
| 22:31.56 | trelane_ | my question is more organization than howto |
| 22:32.05 | trelane_ | IE which folder do you want this in? |
| 22:32.30 | blitzrage | ummm... I guess whichever one makes the most sense |
| 22:32.35 | blitzrage | we can rearrange after |
| 22:33.20 | blitzrage | if nothign really makes sense at all, feel free to make a new folder |
| 22:33.25 | blitzrage | Alric: lates |
| 22:33.33 | trelane_ | ok will do |
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| 22:43.29 | trelane_ | blitzrage, I just committed 4 articles, and 2 folders |
| 22:47.07 | trelane_ | err |
| 22:47.30 | trelane_ | blitzrage, why would you use a stack of variables to create flexible hours rather than a department dependant (in the ACD menu) GoToIfTime? |
| 22:47.58 | trelane_ | I'd use the stack of variables to do things like holidays |
| 22:48.08 | trelane_ | (the problem being that the blasted things keep moving) |
| 22:48.37 | trelane_ | I'll write a recipe to look up holidays against a table of some sort |
| 22:54.21 | trelane_ | and I updated my comment formati n config files to match yours (end of line versus line above) |
| 22:58.04 | trelane_ | maybe whip up a shell script |
| 22:58.21 | trelane_ | problem would be that it's US centric |
| 22:58.22 | trelane_ | ooh well |
| 22:59.09 | trelane_ | en-route home |