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| 17:48.19 | drumkilla | blitzrage: what do you think of docbook? |
| 17:48.22 | drumkilla | or do you have another favorite |
| 17:49.34 | blitzrage | docbook eh? |
| 17:49.50 | blitzrage | its good... but has some overhead in terms of coding it |
| 17:50.02 | blitzrage | but I haven't found a good editor for it yet, which is probably the reason |
| 17:50.11 | blitzrage | and I don't know how to insert images yet either :( |
| 17:50.19 | blitzrage | I've tried a couple of times, and never got it to work |
| 17:50.36 | drumkilla | but it just seems something that really is the way for group maintained documentation ... |
| 17:50.45 | blitzrage | what are you trying to do |
| 17:50.47 | blitzrage | ahhh I see |
| 17:50.48 | drumkilla | something like* that |
| 17:51.03 | blitzrage | yah.. it makes it a lot easier for version control |
| 17:51.24 | blitzrage | hold on a second -- there is another documentation platform I've been looking at, let me see if I can find the link |
| 17:51.40 | blitzrage | because I have some grande ideas for documentation on the asteriskdocs.org site |
| 17:51.47 | blitzrage | hoping this might be able to do that |
| 17:51.49 | drumkilla | cool |
| 17:52.02 | drumkilla | I am tossing around a lot of ideas for the internal asterisk docs |
| 17:52.06 | drumkilla | all the crap in doc/ |
| 17:52.12 | blitzrage | yah man, I hear yah |
| 17:52.22 | drumkilla | and what is really driving this, is the application documentation |
| 17:52.24 | blitzrage | I can help with the docbook stuff if that is the way you want to go |
| 17:52.41 | drumkilla | application docs contain *a lot* of information |
| 17:52.50 | drumkilla | and there is no reason to store it in more than one place |
| 17:52.53 | blitzrage | which ones do you mean? |
| 17:52.57 | drumkilla | show applicaiton Dial |
| 17:53.01 | blitzrage | oh yah |
| 17:53.02 | blitzrage | totally |
| 17:53.09 | blitzrage | there is no reason to have it all over, I agree |
| 17:53.22 | drumkilla | I'd like to store it in some common place |
| 17:53.33 | drumkilla | then write a tool to export it into a C header file |
| 17:53.42 | drumkilla | and then it could be exported into whatever else you wanted |
| 17:53.48 | drumkilla | but the key is that it is only maintained in one place |
| 17:53.50 | blitzrage | and make it web accessable <-- i.e. point to a website for the README.variables file |
| 17:53.57 | blitzrage | drumkilla: I totally agree! |
| 17:54.00 | drumkilla | well, we kind of have that |
| 17:54.01 | blitzrage | I'm exciting you're thinking like this |
| 17:54.13 | drumkilla | we have viewcvs set up |
| 17:54.22 | blitzrage | oh yah.. thats truer |
| 17:54.24 | blitzrage | -r |
| 17:54.32 | blitzrage | I'm thinking some sort of DMS system |
| 17:54.54 | drumkilla | http://svn.digium.com/view/asterisk/trunk/doc/README.variables?view=markup |
| 17:55.06 | blitzrage | but docbook might work if I you can find a good editor for all the platforms... I've only ever used vim... but its not ideal |
| 17:55.07 | drumkilla | :) |
| 17:55.19 | drumkilla | yep, I use vim as well |
| 17:55.19 | blitzrage | its like coding HTML in a text editor... doable.. but not ideal |
| 17:55.33 | drumkilla | but I wouldn't be opposed to using a different editor when working with doc stuff |
| 17:55.57 | blitzrage | yah... it makes it easier since its a bitch to be trying to write docs.. and ALSO have to worry about all the tags |
| 17:56.06 | drumkilla | heh, yeah |
| 17:56.07 | blitzrage | just adds too much overhead to the thinking process |
| 17:56.15 | drumkilla | but being able to export it into html and pdf ... |
| 17:56.18 | drumkilla | that's pretty l33t. |
| 17:56.20 | blitzrage | yah totally |
| 17:56.31 | drumkilla | totally worth it, I think |
| 17:56.31 | blitzrage | and that fact its easy to manage in SVN |
| 17:56.37 | drumkilla | yep |
| 17:56.49 | drumkilla | this is going to be so much work ... |
| 17:56.50 | drumkilla | :) |
| 17:56.55 | blitzrage | oh hell yah |
| 17:57.04 | blitzrage | what are you thinking... something I can help with? |
| 17:57.16 | drumkilla | well, i'm still tossing around ideas right now |
| 17:57.17 | blitzrage | I'm thinking finding a good docbook editor is probably the key |
| 17:57.19 | drumkilla | that's why I'm in this channel :) |
| 17:57.24 | blitzrage | yah man.. I hear yah |
| 17:57.29 | blitzrage | here is my idea |
| 17:57.38 | drumkilla | but yeah, finding a good editor |
| 17:57.42 | drumkilla | and playing with stuff in doc/ |
| 17:57.45 | drumkilla | that's a good start |
| 17:57.49 | blitzrage | totally |
| 17:57.51 | blitzrage | see what works |
| 17:57.54 | drumkilla | my application docs overhaul is going to be a huge deal ... |
| 17:58.00 | drumkilla | that will come later ... |
| 17:58.12 | drumkilla | i have enough big projects already, heh |
| 17:58.23 | drumkilla | school starts tomorrow, so I need to be careful starting new stuff :) |
| 17:58.45 | drumkilla | I think my priority project for right now is going to be my autoconf/menuselect branch |
| 17:58.49 | blitzrage | but I've been trying to look for an open source DMS system that will allow me to centralize the documentation process for all the asterisk related projects and giving them their own "repo" to write the docs and have it centrally available |
| 17:58.58 | blitzrage | yah man... it looks very cool |
| 17:59.15 | drumkilla | yeah man, that would be great |
| 17:59.30 | blitzrage | O'Reilly is using some sort of wiki thing now |
| 17:59.41 | drumkilla | nice |
| 17:59.48 | blitzrage | I'm thinking you're on the right track about starting with the doc dir though -- thats a good test bed |
| 18:00.07 | blitzrage | not TOO much docs... but enough to test stuff and see what works |
| 18:00.19 | blitzrage | your other idea is great, but you're right about it being a large project |
| 18:00.37 | drumkilla | I think users would appreciate that much more than these text files |
| 18:00.43 | blitzrage | damnit.. I don't know what the name of that opendms thing was |
| 18:00.45 | blitzrage | totally |
| 18:00.51 | drumkilla | a pretty pdf they can print or whatever |
| 18:00.52 | blitzrage | people don't even know the doc/ dir exists most of the time |
| 18:00.56 | drumkilla | yup |
| 18:01.08 | blitzrage | and people might be more prone to update it too.... |
| 18:01.11 | drumkilla | well that's because people don't look at the source directory |
| 18:01.30 | drumkilla | but if it was available on asterisk.org ... |
| 18:01.38 | blitzrage | exactly |
| 18:01.39 | drumkilla | people might read it :) |
| 18:01.49 | drumkilla | ok dangit, I need a white board |
| 18:02.00 | blitzrage | oh fuck yah |
| 18:02.02 | blitzrage | I have 2 |
| 18:02.04 | drumkilla | nice |
| 18:02.12 | blitzrage | use them all the time... always filled.. I need another 3 |
| 18:02.27 | drumkilla | the cheapest way to do it is to by an 8 by 4 foot board from lowes or home depot |
| 18:02.35 | drumkilla | shower board, they call it |
| 18:02.39 | drumkilla | HUGE sheet, about $10 |
| 18:02.44 | drumkilla | that is, if you have the room for it |
| 18:02.55 | drumkilla | i surely don't :) |
| 18:03.00 | blitzrage | lol |
| 18:03.18 | blitzrage | I have a 4x3 and 3.5x2 board I think |
| 18:03.39 | blitzrage | 4x3 is a really good size |
| 18:04.11 | blitzrage | docbook might be the ideal since its easy to handle in SVN |
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| 18:10.02 | drumkilla | apt-cache search xml|grep edit |
| 18:10.06 | drumkilla | showed this ... |
| 18:10.09 | drumkilla | qemacs - Small emacs clone editor with HTML and DocBook editing support |
| 18:12.21 | drumkilla | there's also xml editors for kde and gnome ... |
| 18:13.40 | blitzrage | windows? :) |
| 18:13.46 | drumkilla | heh |
| 18:13.52 | drumkilla | i think the first one might be the best looking |
| 18:14.02 | drumkilla | i'm trying to install it |
| 18:14.23 | blitzrage | I'll try too |
| 18:14.29 | blitzrage | XMLMind right? |
| 18:14.37 | drumkilla | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException |
| 18:14.39 | drumkilla | yes |
| 18:14.46 | blitzrage | oh joy :) |
| 18:14.49 | drumkilla | heh |
| 18:15.05 | drumkilla | i'm using libgcj - the gnu java lib |
| 18:15.05 | drumkilla | :/ |
| 18:19.24 | drumkilla | guess I'll install Sun's sdk |
| 18:27.21 | blitzrage | boo :) |
| 18:27.27 | blitzrage | sorry --- got sucked into a support call |
| 18:27.33 | blitzrage | 2 actually :) |
| 18:28.11 | drumkilla | it's all good |
| 18:44.54 | blitzrage | jeezus... I hate people sometimes |
| 18:45.21 | blitzrage | I'm having a problem with my E911 portal ever since they switched me to a new server, and I just found the problem -- they don't have the E911 module installed on the softswitch |
| 18:45.25 | blitzrage | lol |
| 18:48.28 | drumkilla | d'oh |
| 18:48.44 | drumkilla | the editor works with sun's java |
| 18:48.53 | blitzrage | nice -- I almost have it installed now :) |
| 18:49.10 | drumkilla | I'll have to download some existing docbook code later |
| 18:49.15 | drumkilla | and see how it works |
| 18:49.24 | blitzrage | there is some from astdocs :) |
| 18:49.28 | drumkilla | ooooh |
| 18:49.30 | drumkilla | perfect |
| 18:49.47 | blitzrage | let me find you the CVS address |
| 18:50.48 | blitzrage | oh jeezus... of COURSE asteriskdocs.org is down |
| 18:51.45 | blitzrage | lets see if I can reach the cvs |
| 18:53.50 | blitzrage | jeez... nope |
| 18:55.04 | drumkilla | no big deal |
| 18:55.19 | drumkilla | have you seen subversion's docbook stuff? |
| 18:55.50 | blitzrage | can't say I have |
| 18:55.57 | drumkilla | link coming! |
| 18:56.02 | blitzrage | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/asterisk <-- down too |
| 18:56.21 | blitzrage | unless its just me |
| 18:56.39 | drumkilla | yup, denied |
| 18:56.45 | drumkilla | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 18:58.55 | blitzrage | oh yah.. I have read that |
| 18:59.01 | blitzrage | great book |
| 18:59.11 | blitzrage | I want to do the same thing for our book (have it available online) |
| 18:59.12 | drumkilla | i haven't read it ... |
| 18:59.17 | drumkilla | awesome |
| 18:59.26 | blitzrage | its pretty good -- even I got SVN setup using that book :) |
| 18:59.35 | blitzrage | even *I* |
| 18:59.44 | drumkilla | lol |
| 18:59.49 | drumkilla | you don't give yourself enough credit |
| 18:59.55 | drumkilla | you ain't no foo' |
| 19:00.03 | blitzrage | well, I'm no programmer :) but I have my own svn now! |
| 19:00.06 | blitzrage | svn.leifmadsen.com |
| 19:00.16 | blitzrage | I even have code in there and shiznit |
| 19:00.36 | drumkilla | nice |
| 19:00.45 | drumkilla | well, it makes sense for lots of things |
| 19:00.51 | drumkilla | like your /etc dir :) |
| 19:00.52 | blitzrage | yah |
| 19:00.58 | blitzrage | yah... great idea |
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| 19:01.20 | blitzrage | I have a 100 license codec_va_g729.so and format_g729.so in there so I don't lose it |
| 19:01.23 | ToTo | hi all |
| 19:01.26 | blitzrage | ToTo: hey oh |
| 19:01.55 | ToTo | blitzrage, how are you? |
| 19:02.04 | blitzrage | not too shabby... busy as heck though :) |
| 19:02.13 | ToTo | ;) |
| 19:02.47 | drumkilla | blitzrage: i'm heading out for a while. i'll have to catch up with you later about fun doc stuff :) |
| 19:03.04 | blitzrage | coolio -- ttyl! |
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| 20:59.05 | Alric | My onjoin is gone!!! |
| 21:00.58 | blitzrage | your onion?! |
| 21:03.09 | Alric | :P |
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| 21:47.44 | Alric | JARED! |
| 21:48.00 | jsmith | Howdy Alric |
| 21:48.03 | jsmith | Wassup? |
| 21:48.30 | jsmith | Did you get your Polycoms beat into shape? |
| 21:48.30 | Alric | Softswitch is telling me * doesn't support the RTP RFC |
| 21:48.35 | Alric | Yeah. |
| 21:48.37 | jsmith | Did you get your g726 problems all solved? |
| 21:48.41 | Alric | Nope |
| 21:48.52 | jsmith | Did you open a bug report? |
| 21:48.58 | jsmith | W/ a packet trace? |
| 21:49.06 | Alric | Haven't opened a bug report |
| 21:49.10 | Alric | And haven't gotten a packet trace |
| 21:52.33 | blitzrage | what HAVE you done? |
| 21:52.56 | Alric | Gottan softswitch vendor response |
| 21:52.59 | Alric | Gotten |
| 21:53.08 | Alric | And got the RFC that shows that apparently we're wrong. |
| 22:01.18 | blitzrage | who is we? |
| 22:01.32 | Alric | Well, Asterisk's RTP map. |
| 22:02.07 | blitzrage | ahhh I see |
| 22:02.17 | blitzrage | RTP in asterisk needs some love |
| 22:03.04 | blitzrage | I get to debug some DTMF issues with broadvox tonight -- we'll find out who is at fault |
| 22:03.52 | blitzrage | very well could be Asterisk |
| 22:04.07 | jsmith | Fun... |
| 22:05.28 | Alric | Apparently g726 and g721 are the same thing. |
| 22:23.27 | blitzrage | really? |
| 22:23.32 | blitzrage | there's a G721 now? :) |
| 22:23.56 | jsmith | blitzrage: Sure. |
| 22:39.50 | Alric | Geez. |
| 22:39.53 | Alric | What is with my co-workers. |
| 22:40.08 | Alric | Phones on DND, logged out of everything, sitting there, and still "working" |
| 22:41.14 | blitzrage | wish I could do that :) |
| 22:41.23 | jsmith | Alric: I'd fire them. |
| 22:41.36 | Alric | I hold no firing power :) |
| 22:41.45 | blitzrage | then what good are ya! :) |
| 22:41.51 | Alric | Apparently not much. |
| 22:41.54 | blitzrage | hehe |
| 22:41.57 | jsmith | Do you have a mananger? |
| 22:41.58 | blitzrage | I can't fire anyone but myself |
| 22:42.06 | Alric | I do take great joy in the ZapDNDOff manager command though :) |
| 22:42.17 | jsmith | Would your manager do anything if he/she knew? |
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| 22:42.24 | Alric | Not sure. |
| 22:42.28 | Alric | Its amusing. |
| 22:42.35 | Alric | they put their phones on DND, I take them off :) |
| 22:42.35 | blitzrage | I'm sure I've asked this before... but what is a common way of doing SQL statements from the dialplan? |
| 22:42.44 | Alric | app_mysql.so? |
| 22:42.45 | blitzrage | typically a SELECT |
| 22:42.48 | Alric | in asterisk-addons? |
| 22:42.48 | jsmith | Benvenuto ToTo |
| 22:42.57 | blitzrage | its not mysql thugh... SQLite |
| 22:43.02 | blitzrage | does it matter? |
| 22:43.03 | Alric | oh |
| 22:43.06 | jsmith | blitzrage: The SQL function :-) |
| 22:43.23 | Alric | I read SQL as MySQL :) |
| 22:43.44 | jsmith | Alric: That's because you're a n00b. |
| 22:43.49 | Alric | !!! |
| 22:44.05 | ToTo | tnx |
| 22:44.07 | blitzrage | jsmith: I see no SQL function.... |
| 22:44.16 | blitzrage | oh I bet it only installs if it find SQL |
| 22:44.24 | jsmith | blitzrage: I'm not sure if they're in -addons or what, but I know they exist. |
| 22:44.28 | jsmith | blitzrage: Probably. |
| 22:44.33 | blitzrage | hrmmmm... maybe in addons |
| 22:44.38 | blitzrage | but then I wonder if its only mysql... |
| 22:46.28 | jsmith | Naw, I think somebody ported it to pgsql as well -- wouldn't be hard to port to SQLite, if it hasn't been already. |
| 22:49.47 | Alric | Intel Macs are out. |
| 22:54.29 | jsmith | Alric: Duh. |
| 22:54.38 | jsmith | They've been out for almost 4 hours now. |
| 22:54.47 | jsmith | You ordered one yet? |
| 22:54.58 | jsmith | After all, your Powerbook is dropping in value quickly... |
| 22:55.24 | Alric | hah |
| 22:55.31 | Alric | and yes, I knew 4 hours ago :) |
| 23:15.57 | drumkilla | ooh, i didn't know |
| 23:16.56 | jsmith | drumkilla: Why don't you go buy yourself a new MacBook Pro, and give me your hand-me-down... |
| 23:16.57 | drumkilla | MacBook? |
| 23:17.00 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 23:17.04 | jsmith | Death to iBook/PowerBook. |
| 23:17.11 | Alric | !!! |
| 23:17.14 | drumkilla | no 12" |
| 23:17.15 | drumkilla | :( |
| 23:17.19 | Alric | 12" SUCKS |
| 23:17.22 | Alric | :) |
| 23:17.31 | drumkilla | built-in isight!!!! |
| 23:17.34 | Alric | Even though my fiance just insists on having one. |
| 23:17.36 | Alric | Yeah :) |
| 23:18.03 | Alric | drum: You're a Mac user? |
| 23:18.08 | drumkilla | it does floating point arithmetic 5 times faster than a powerbook g4 |
| 23:18.09 | drumkilla | :( |
| 23:18.15 | drumkilla | Alric: i have a powerbook |
| 23:18.18 | Alric | 12"? |
| 23:18.21 | drumkilla | yup |
| 23:18.24 | Alric | I have a 15" |
| 23:18.27 | drumkilla | cool |
| 23:18.45 | drumkilla | jsmith: I'll let you buy mine from me |
| 23:18.52 | drumkilla | and then also buy me my new one |
| 23:19.03 | jsmith | drumkilla: You gotta realize that it's losing value every second... |
| 23:19.30 | drumkilla | it's crazy how fast this stuff changes ... |
| 23:19.31 | Alric | Well |
| 23:19.36 | Alric | MacBooks aren't shipping until February |
| 23:20.00 | jsmith | So? |
| 23:20.21 | jsmith | When has anything new from Apple been available before March? |
| 23:20.32 | Alric | Whata mean? |
| 23:20.37 | Alric | Oh. |
| 23:20.44 | Alric | iMacs are shipping now. |
| 23:20.56 | blitzrage | booooooo |
| 23:23.45 | Alric | drumkilla: I'm waiting for independent studies on these new Intel processors before jumping on the bandwagon. |
| 23:23.52 | drumkilla | hehe |
| 23:23.57 | drumkilla | I have no money, so i'm not worried |
| 23:24.11 | Alric | I'm not so recklessly going to abandon my PowerPC :) |
| 23:24.39 | blitzrage | jsmith: what package might I find ncftp etc... in? |
| 23:26.52 | Alric | Dumb dumb g726 :( |
| 23:28.58 | jsmith | blitzrage: ncftp :-) |
| 23:29.07 | jsmith | Alric: Why not just use another codec? |
| 23:29.18 | blitzrage | guess its not in yum on CentOS... will just compile I guess |
| 23:29.19 | Alric | Like what? |
| 23:29.34 | Alric | I'm not buying g729 licenses... |
| 23:29.45 | blitzrage | buy? |
| 23:29.51 | jsmith | GSM? |
| 23:29.53 | jsmith | ULAW? |
| 23:29.55 | jsmith | ALAW? |
| 23:29.58 | jsmith | iLBC? |
| 23:30.00 | jsmith | Speex? |
| 23:30.12 | blitzrage | JPEG? |
| 23:30.30 | Alric | Softswitch supports g726, g711, and g729A |
| 23:30.48 | Alric | err, g729, not sure about the A part. |
| 23:31.00 | Alric | jpeg. nice. |
| 23:32.00 | Alric | And apparently compressed voice is a requirement. |
| 23:32.25 | blitzrage | anyone know how to quickly change the screen res in linux if not using X (just console) |
| 23:32.33 | blitzrage | I always forget where it is |
| 23:34.15 | jsmith | vga=(something) on the kernel command line |
| 23:34.28 | blitzrage | oh right... in grub.conf |
| 23:34.46 | jsmith | http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/hiresconsole.html |
| 23:34.48 | blitzrage | its screen res and not characters right? |
| 23:34.53 | blitzrage | perfect! a link! |
| 23:35.00 | jsmith | (It's a hex number) |
| 23:35.06 | blitzrage | ah |
| 23:35.18 | Alric | grub |
| 23:35.20 | Alric | yum... |
| 23:35.38 | Alric | I wonder if you can yum remove grub... |
| 23:36.07 | blitzrage | yup you can |
| 23:36.12 | blitzrage | I just tried :) |
| 23:36.14 | Alric | haha |