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17:01.06blitzragemorning
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17:09.54cypromismorn
17:09.58cypromisafternoon
17:10.00cypromisor whatever
17:10.01cypromis;)
17:10.25jsmithStill morning here... for another hour or so
17:10.32jsmithHow's life on the other side of the pond?
17:13.12blitzrageonly 10:15am here
17:14.57cypromisfine
17:15.04cypromisjust spent the day at a sun resellers conf
17:15.23jsmithSlowlaris, eh?
17:16.50cypromisOpteron servers
17:16.53cypromisv20z and v40z
17:17.02cypromisso linux/solaris/winblows
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17:28.03AlricGreetings!
17:28.35jsmithAlric!
17:44.30blitzrageAlric Alert! *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*
17:45.05AlricTreehugger alert! *air raid sirens*
17:47.09blitzrageheh :)
17:48.13jsmithAlric: Thank you...
17:48.24AlricFor?
17:48.25blitzragebah
17:48.47AlricActually, tanks would be better.  They get Gallons per Mile, not Miles per Gallon :)
18:04.51AlricIs it 0.59r or q for MoH?
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19:07.54blitzrageuse rawplayer
19:16.10AlricConverting things to .raw is an unnecessary impediment :P
19:28.55AlricFurthermore, like I've seen in some cases, converting them to .raw and naming them .mp3 will only lead to confusion :P
19:30.57jsmithYup... so don't name them .mp3 :-)
19:31.44AlricI heard * requires it.
19:31.54AlricRead, anyway.
19:32.16jsmithThen name them .raw.mp3 or .not.really.an.mp3
19:32.30jsmithC'mon, think!
19:32.56AlricSnicker
19:33.12AlricWasn't asterisk 1.2 supposed to be coming soon?
19:37.00jsmithYeah, right around the end of the year.
19:37.29jsmithAnyone who tells you differently is smokin' some of that blitzweed.
19:38.53Alric:(
19:39.02AlricIt looked so hopeful two or three months ago.
19:39.16Alricwow, bug 4036...
19:43.23jsmithM4036
19:43.23bugbotM4036 is a minor bug that is new (unassigned): Call Parking times out to the wrong extension. It was filed by ewieling and was last updated on 04-20-05. http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=4036
20:06.04blitzrageAlric: think September and happy thoughts :)
20:06.20AlricSeptember = 21 for me
20:06.24jsmithSeptember?
20:06.51blitzragejsmith: hoping - probably won't happen. I was hoping a code freeze would have happened by now
20:06.53AlricI'd just turned 20 a few days before going to the last Astricon (US)
20:07.33jsmithCode freeze -- in HEAD?  Uh, I don't think so.
20:07.43blitzrageerrrr. feature freeze
20:08.13jsmithFor some reason, this reminds me of feeding cattle in the wintertime...
20:09.59AlricI found an ISA soundcard :)
20:10.19jsmithAlric: :-(
20:10.21AlricNothing newer :(
20:10.56jsmithAlric: Time to run to your local comp-u-crap and buy one... preferrably used.
20:11.16AlricMight stop by Walmart or Staples on the way home.
20:11.22AlricSee if I can get anything hellua cheap.
20:11.48AlricAnd now takes your hint and asks anyway? :P
20:12.02AlricFind, I'll bite.  What does this have to do with feeding cattle in the wintertime?
20:12.05AlricMr Wyoming?
20:12.12Alric;)
20:12.16jsmithIt's called "frozen cowpies"
20:12.44jsmithAsterisk can't have a so-called "feature freeze" until the new features get to the point where freezing them will make Asterisk any better.
20:13.06AlricLike realtime.
20:13.08Alricffs.
20:13.24jsmithExactly.
20:13.34jsmithHow do you freeze a circus?
20:13.56jsmithNow don't get me wrong... I'm not putting Asterisk down...
20:13.58blitzragestop time
20:14.12blitzrage1.2 is never coming out... :)
20:14.28Alricnod
20:14.28blitzragejsmith: which puts us in a bit of a predicament... eh? :)
20:14.36AlricDoes 1.0.7 crash after you start it?
20:14.37jsmithI'm just saying it's probably time to say "Hey, this is what we want in 1.2, and this is what will get pushed, and we're going to have a freeze on date FOO"
20:14.40AlricOr does that just happen to me?
20:14.51blitzrageAlric: I don't use stable
20:14.55blitzragesorry... so no idea
20:15.17Alricblitz: You mean you use -HEAD in production, or you just don't do anything production-worthy? :)
20:15.51blitzrageok, you caught me. I do use stable in Florida... :)
20:16.01blitzrageAlric: then you're not using tab completion
20:16.09AlricNewp
20:16.19AlricI type out everything!
20:16.20blitzragethats the problem, not my name length :)
20:17.03blitzrageAlric: yet another one of your inefficiencies
20:17.03blitzrageoh burn! :)
20:17.03Alric...
20:17.03jsmithAlric: I swear, you really are a newbie at this, aren't you...
20:17.03blitzragehey, its your air :)
20:17.05Alricjsmith: I *know* about tab completion, I just don't *use* it.
20:17.30blitzrageAlric: tab completion is day one in Linux training :)
20:17.38AlricAnd I knew about it from day 1 ;)
20:17.46blitzrageAlric: but you choose to suck? :)
20:18.03Alric"Someday you will learn just as I once did, there is a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path."
20:18.04Alricmuhaha
20:18.18jsmithExcuse me?
20:18.22AlricMatrix quote
20:18.27jsmithWhich one of us can't even find the right map?
20:18.39blitzrageSomeday you will learn that tab completion saves from carpel tunnel syndrome
20:18.43blitzrage:)
20:18.43AlricEh?
20:18.46AlricRight map?
20:19.21jsmithYou're talking about "paths"... and I'm saying you can't even find which map the path is on.
20:19.30Alriccarpal tunnel syndrome is for the weak!
20:19.32blitzragelol
20:19.45Alric:(
20:20.21jsmithI can't hear you cry... you're all static-ey and everything... you sound like the mp3s on your hold music...
20:20.54blitzragethis keyboard sucks... have to hit the keys sooooooo light. Very loud, but dcap testing is going on, so I have to slow my typing speed right down to like 20 wpm
20:21.01blitzragejsmith: LOL!
20:21.16blitzrageAlric: rawplayer is more efficient
20:21.31AlricI can imagine.
20:21.36blitzrageAlric: and you complain about converting is one more step, but isn't installing mpg123 a pain in the ass?
20:21.48blitzragebecause you seem to have lots of problems with it :)
20:21.48AlricBut efficient in what way?  Disk-space savings, or CPU cycles? :)
20:21.49jsmithblitzrage: Not anymore -- "make mpg123"
20:22.02blitzragejsmith: then why is Alric talking about mpg123 problems? :)
20:22.03jsmithblitzrage: It was you who first taught me that :-)
20:22.16Alricblitz: It doesn't work w/o a soundcard.
20:22.17blitzragejsmith: oh I knew about it from day 1 :D
20:22.23AlricMoH seems to require a soundcard to work.
20:22.23blitzrageAlric: huh?
20:22.33AlricCorrection, to work well.
20:22.34blitzrageAlric: you've been reading too much FUD
20:22.42Alricblitz: I just tried it.
20:22.44AlricTwo machines.
20:22.55blitzrageI have no soundcard in my asterisk and it works fine
20:22.57AlricFC3, asterisk 1.0.7, mpg123 0.59r, same mp3s.
20:23.05blitzrageI use rawplayer
20:23.07AlricOne box has a /dev/dsp, and soundcard.
20:23.11AlricOne box does not.
20:23.12jsmithAlric: CPU load on the box is the same?
20:23.23jsmithAlric: Disk I/O on the boxes are the same?
20:23.24Alricjsmith: Yes.  If anything, the box that plays the MoH fine has more load.
20:23.24blitzragerawplayer saves CPU cycles
20:23.41Alricjsmith: The box that does it right is crapper in every single way than the box that is messed up.
20:23.49Alriccrappier, I guess :)
20:24.57AlricAnd I know rawplayer saves CPU cycles.  It wouldn't have to convert anything :)
20:26.53AlricYou use rawplayer, or the little rawplayer hack, blitz?
20:38.38blitzrageAlric: I thought you hated yum?
20:38.42blitzragebut glad you're coming around
20:38.59Alricblitzrage: I just said that to get a response :P
20:39.04AlricSince no one was saying anything.
20:39.10AlricBut since I have your attention...
20:39.14AlricYou use rawplayer, or the little rawplayer hack, blitz?
20:39.48AlricHack being having a little bash script named rawplayer, which is basically just piping the names of the raw files (which are really named .mp3) to Asterisk? :)
20:40.01blitzrage/usr/src/asterisk/contrib/utils/rawplayer.c
20:40.04Alricjsmith: yum is alright.  I prefer the "UI" from apt-get, though.
20:40.38blitzrageI have used the hack, it worked fine too
20:40.49blitzragebut I use the rawplayer.c program by Tony now
20:40.59AlricOh.
20:41.02Alrichrm.
20:41.09AlricThats not in -stable.
20:41.16blitzrageahhhh
20:41.22blitzragestupid stable :)
20:41.58AlricI like stable, except when we talk of features.
20:42.09AlricIf I didn't know what was in -HEAD, I'd probably be happy in my ignorance, though :)
20:42.17jsmithProbably.
20:43.02AlricGuess I'm going to try the hack.
20:43.25AlricHrm.
20:43.37AlricDoes anyone know if you have to restart asterisk to add other MoH selections with native?
20:43.41jsmithDon't worry -- you won't have to go to confession afterwards.
20:43.55jsmithAlric: Probably, or at least reload it :-)
20:43.58jsmithI know :-)
20:44.04AlricI could accept a reload.
20:44.16jsmithI know you're not Catholic, remember :-)
20:44.33AlricBut I currently think you shouldn't have to restart for anything other than a zap-channel change.
20:44.35blitzrageAlric: even if not using in production, should be USING HEAD because so many changes. You might have a hard time keeping up when 1.2 comes out :)
20:44.37AlricYeah, I know.
20:45.00AlricI have absolutely no box to put head on.
20:45.21jsmithI'll sell you one, cheap.
20:45.22AlricEverything I own is tied up! :)
20:45.35jsmithI've got a 700MHz box that needs a good home.
20:45.45jsmithI'll trade it for $40 so I can buy a new case.
20:45.58AlricShipping included? ;)
20:46.17jsmithNo, unfortunately...
20:46.24AlricHmmm
20:46.29jsmithUnless I travel to Dallas soon on a work visit :-)
20:46.41AlricYes, a work visit.
20:46.44AlricWe need a work visit!
20:47.06jsmithUh, you'd never make it in.
20:47.14jsmithIt's got tighter security than Fort Knox.
20:47.46AlricOh, I got my trusty MI2 Jared Smith mask and voice-thingy...
20:48.13AlricBut getting in is most likely not the problem.  Getting out after you've caused all that havok...
20:48.13jsmithAnd my hand?
20:48.34AlricGuess I'll have to send someone to Wyoming to retrieve that.
20:48.48AlricBut all that would cost more than the shipping from your state anyway...
20:49.05AlricKinda defeats the purpose, ya know?
20:49.46AlricYou guys see the new DS3000I?
20:49.51jsmithWell, you might end up tied to a barb-wire fence...
20:49.54jsmithAlric: Yeah, I want one.
20:50.06AlricI can't see one * box possibly handling that many call.
20:50.07Alriccalls*
20:50.31jsmithAlric: It can't, at least not yet... hence the reason the cards aren't being actively sold.
20:50.34AlricI didn't think you had enough CPU power to handle 8 T1s worth of calls.
20:50.47jsmithAlric: But it's a good way to push Asterisk development and see where things break.
20:51.19AlricI mean, unless you can significantly reduce the per-call CPU overhead...
20:51.29blitzragekpfleming told me without transcoding a dual opteron with the better type of RAM (whatever that means?) would handle it
20:51.46AlricCould handle a DS3?
20:51.50blitzrageyes
20:51.58AlricWhy isn't this stuff documented? :P
20:52.06blitzragebecause I just found out yesterday! :)
20:52.12jsmithAlric: Because it's not authoritative...
20:52.19blitzrageand thats just an opinion and not authoritative
20:52.24blitzragewow... great minds think a like
20:52.26AlricYeah, thats true.
20:52.45AlricI want to go to Xeon EMTs anyway.
20:52.56Alricemt64, I guess
20:53.05jsmithYou mean EM64T?
20:53.13Alricem64t?
20:53.15Alrichmm
20:53.16AlricI guess.
20:53.18jsmithEMT64 is a 64-year old emergency medical tech.
20:53.24AlricI just assumed it was emt64.
20:53.26blitzrage:)
20:53.33jsmithEmpty-64?
20:53.33AlricI never really looked at the thing.
20:53.44AlricDie :P
20:53.53blitzrageI have 4 DS3's running into my apartment
20:54.15jsmithblitzrage: I call your bluff.  Maybe in the apartment *complex*
20:54.31blitzragehah! unlikely for that either :)
20:55.08blitzrageI just have 10mbit/1mbit to the apt.
20:55.10jsmithI'm the only one of us three that's actually done real Asterisk work on a DS3.
20:55.16blitzrageyep
20:55.19blitzrageits true :)
20:55.36AlricTerminating a DS3?
20:56.04jsmithNo... I have a Widebank 28 terminating the DS3, and then have a bunch of Asterisk boxen connected to it.
20:56.16AlricThats what I meant.
20:56.20AlricIndirect termination, anyway.
20:56.22jsmithYes.
20:56.27AlricBut the full DS3 is going into * boxes.
20:56.33jsmithOf course, I'll be honest and say I'm only using 27 of the 28 channels.
20:56.40jsmithAll but one of the channels.
20:57.24blitzragethats still a fair number :)
20:57.27blitzragehow many boxes?
20:57.33blitzrageand what version?
20:57.38AlricDigium cards need to move to PCI-Express :)
20:57.54jsmithblitzrage: I'm afraid to tell.
20:58.04AlricNo more PCI bus bottleneck!
20:58.05jsmithblitzrage: 27 boxes, all running 0.7
20:58.11jsmithAlric: I agree!
20:58.13Alricomg.
20:58.16Alric0.7, wow.
20:58.27jsmithAlric: But have you tried designing a card for PCI-Express?
20:58.35jsmithAlric: It's hard enough designing a PCI card.
20:58.36AlricSo you're not using GotoIFTime or time-based includes?
20:58.41jsmithNope.
20:58.47jsmithThat's so 2005.
20:58.48AlricAmazing.
20:58.58blitzrage0.7?! wow, impressive
20:59.01jsmithYou'd cry if I told you how long the dialplan is.
20:59.14blitzrage50,000+ lines?
20:59.15AlricIt takes a lot to make me cry!
20:59.18jsmithextensions.conf weighs in at over 30000 lines.
20:59.30AlricNow thats a dialplan.
20:59.34AlricAll written by you?
20:59.40blitzragewow, thats big
20:59.41jsmithNow you see why I can get away with calling you a newbie.
20:59.51blitzrage:D
21:00.14jsmithYou see, Alric... I can make fun of you because I was in your situation three or four years ago...
21:00.23jsmith(but was more mature)
21:00.38AlricI can take constructive criticism :)
21:00.49blitzragemust be "pick on Alric" day :)
21:00.54AlricAnd I suppose the word constructive is used loosely.
21:01.36jsmithThere's no such thing as "constructive" criticism.
21:01.47AlricSure there is!
21:02.06jsmithIt's not the criticism that's constructive... it's what you do with it.
21:02.11AlricUnconstructive criticism: "You suck.  Go die somewhere so I don't have to look at you again."
21:02.34AlricIts all about the delivery!
21:02.42jsmithNo, it's all with what you do with it.
21:03.14jsmithIf I say "You need a haircut" and you don't do anything, it's not constructive.  But if you get a haircut, it's constructive.
21:05.38Alrichttp://store.yahoo.com/demotivators/motivation.html
21:05.42AlricYou guys ever see that? :)
21:07.07jsmithUh yeah... that's so last year.
21:07.32AlricJerk :(
21:08.05Alrichttp://store.yahoo.com/demotivators/success.html
21:08.09AlricHow applicable is that! :)
21:15.09Alricanyway
21:15.10Alricbbiab
21:15.15AlricGoing home, do research there.
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23:28.08hermiejsmith!!
23:28.13jsmithWhat's up, man?
23:28.17jsmithHaven't seen you in a while...
23:33.23jsmithG'night all...
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