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11:07.44cj-rmIs there any documentation on using Asterisk for 3rd party call control????
11:08.08cj-rmspecifically using SIP and an external Sip Provider for PSTN interoperability
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19:36.32my007mshi all
19:40.16MatsKHi
19:41.18my007mshi maik
19:41.31my007msHi MatsK
19:41.56my007mscan we have some chat in astresick
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19:49.57MatsKWell about what ?
19:51.16my007msnow i will try to run the programme for my Co
19:51.31my007msand i need to know does u try it b4
19:52.15MatsKwhat do you mean with b4 ?
19:53.21my007msdo u try run it
19:54.34MatsKYes I have a running asterisk at home
19:54.35girabrazKnowledges of sip server SER ?
19:54.35my007msand does it work good
19:54.44girabrazSomeone knows SER
19:54.51MatsKYes but are you planning to test asterisk ?
19:55.03MatsKor do you have it running ?
19:55.30my007msyes i want ro run it for my Co
19:56.05my007mswhat thing i must get PC and what ???
19:56.48my007mscard that digium sell
19:56.50my007ms?
19:56.52my007msor what
19:57.14MatsKIt depends
19:57.29my007msok for ur home what u get
19:57.38MatsKI just hav a PC
19:57.44my007mscan i used fax as example
19:57.51my007msfax-modem
19:57.58MatsKand I have several SIP accounts at different vendors
19:58.17my007msi am sorry what is sip
19:59.43MatsKI would like to recommend that you download a copy of Asterisk@Home (asteriskathome.sf.net), that is a precompiled asterisk, ready to run
20:00.05MatsKSIP is the protocoll that is used between internet telephones
20:00.18MatsKthere is also a older standard H.323
20:00.27my007msyes i ahve some in Go2phone
20:00.39my007msin Co iptelphone
20:00.50MatsKDo you have a spare PC ?
20:01.40my007msin Co but in home normal one
20:01.50my007msi386
20:02.01my007msi will ry in home first
20:02.08my007mstry*
20:02.29MatsKCo = Company ?
20:02.41my007ms:) tes
20:02.44my007msyes
20:02.46my007ms:)
20:02.48MatsKlol
20:03.09my007mswhere r u from
20:03.17MatsKThen download the iso from the Asterisk@Home and install that on a clean PC
20:03.20MatsKNorway
20:03.41my007msyes i download this iso
20:04.06my007msbut i ask myself now how can i join my phone line with PC
20:04.10my007ms:))
20:04.32MatsKJust read the instructions at the web and then you get a PC with a Linux OS; CentOS and a ready to go asterisk with a nice web interface for configuring
20:05.21my007msu do that
20:05.22MatsKYou mean a analog phone line, then you need a PCI card from digium, often sold at ebay
20:05.41blitzragedon't run a production machine with an X100P
20:05.59blitzrageX100P is your standard modem - don't use it (and probably not allowed in Europe?)
20:06.01MatsKOh the master is here ;-)
20:06.02my007mshow much
20:06.05my007msrange
20:06.08blitzrageMatsK: lol.... no master
20:06.28blitzragemy007ms: Digium TDM400P with 1 FXO module is probably like $180 US or something like that
20:06.30MatsKYes, you have the @ :-)
20:06.42blitzragemy007ms: or use pure VoIP like me - no hardware needed
20:06.52blitzragewith the X100P you'll get echo on the line more than likely
20:07.06blitzrage@'s mean nothing :)
20:07.07my007mshmm
20:07.11MatsKWell you need a ATA between the phone and the network, so you need some hardware
20:07.16my007msi am sorry i have q can i
20:07.44MatsKblitzrage: just kiding...
20:07.49blitzrageMatsK: fair enough :) or buy a nice Polycom or Cisco VoIP phone. I just setup a Linksys router with 2 FXS ports, and its works really well
20:08.03blitzrageMatsK: I hope you realize I have uber-blocking skillz
20:08.07MatsKthe 2602 ?
20:08.17MatsKYes master.
20:08.35blitzrageMatsK: RT31P2
20:08.53blitzragebasically means: 3 LAN ports, 1 WAN and 2 FXS
20:08.55my007msif i need to make all PBX in my Co how much i need to pay
20:09.00MatsKSorry, linksys, I read Zyxel, my fault
20:09.03blitzragemy007ms: totally depends on the size
20:09.35MatsKHow many employees, and who many external lines do you have today ?
20:09.38my007msi have 6 line and internet there is abut 60 phone
20:09.51blitzragemy007ms: fair warning - Asterisk has a steep learning curve. If you don't plan on spending about 2 months learning it (mostly full time), you're better off hiring a consultant
20:10.10my007ms:)
20:10.27my007msi work ub my Co as IT
20:10.36MatsKblitzrage: the Asterisk@Home with AMP web interface lower that learning curve
20:10.42blitzragemy007ms: ok... but you asked what SIP was... this is not like setting up apache :)
20:10.46blitzrageMatsK: true true
20:10.59my007ms:))
20:11.18blitzragemy007ms: for that many lines, I'd get something like a 2U dual-xeon with about 512 -> 1 gig of RAM. That'd be plenty and allow you expansion room.
20:11.53my007msi know nothing abut all this thing i just know how to rum qmail ftp webserver but know i know that there is many to learn
20:11.54blitzragemy007ms: could probably get away with less... like a 3 GHz P4 with 512 RAM. Intel chipset on the MB preferred
20:11.59MatsKmy007ms: I think you should just jump into it, but the advice about a consultant is a god one
20:12.25blitzragemy007ms: it depends how complicated you need it to be and how long you have until you need it in production
20:12.46my007mssooooooooooooooooooo Coplicated
20:13.00blitzragemy007ms: not complicated - feature rich - which requires lots of learning :)
20:13.09MatsKmy007ms: No its not, its quite simple
20:13.37my007msall feature
20:13.44blitzragemy007ms: you need to learn how dialplans work and how VoIP protocols work. I suggest reading the SIP RFC, its an easy read for an RFC
20:14.19blitzragemy007ms: if you are serious about Asterisk, you'll be doing LOTS of reading
20:14.31my007mscan pay for support
20:14.50blitzragemy007ms: thats good, you might need it :)
20:15.33blitzragethe Asterisk@Home route is probably a good introduction, but don't look at its dialplan, its probably horrendous
20:16.00my007mshow much time i need to make it all work
20:16.19MatsKblitzrage: it relies on the AMP framework so it's not bad
20:16.26blitzragemy007ms: it depends on how much telephony and networking background you have. If you are starting from pure scratch it will take longer to make sense of all the terms
20:17.18blitzragemy007ms: I'm not trying to discourage you, I'm just warning you that it will require a significant amount of work to become comfortable with Asterisk. Anything that integrates with telephony is by nature complicated.
20:17.21my007msi know aut network but tel nothing
20:17.22MatsKmy007ms:If you start with a simple config and uses Asterisk@Home with no external line, 2-8 hours
20:17.57blitzragemy007ms: yep, like MatsK keep it VERY simple at first. If you get too complicated too soon, you'll get confused and nothing will work
20:18.06MatsKblitzrage: So true, telephony integration has aways been hard
20:18.21blitzrageMatsK: yep... well, its 100 years of technology you're integrating with
20:18.29MatsKLOL
20:18.32my007mslook blitzrage i am so sorry
20:18.38blitzragemy007ms: why are you sorry?
20:18.46my007msbut  need to know how to find u
20:18.52blitzragemy007ms: I'm here all the time
20:19.00blitzrageor my website: www.leifmadsen.com
20:19.06MatsKI can wouch for that :-)
20:19.11blitzragelol
20:19.18my007msok i will be back
20:19.23blitzrageI'll be here :)
20:19.58MatsKblitzrage: You shouldn't discourage newbies like that ;-)
20:21.39my007msblitzrage
20:21.45my007msmatsk
20:22.02MatsKyes
20:22.34blitzrageyes
20:22.43my007mswhere is the good start astresick doc or read in telphone
20:22.47blitzrageMatsK: not discouraging, just letting them know what their in for :)
20:22.53my007msor pay some one who do both :)
20:23.18blitzragemy007ms: you'll want to spend lots of time at http://www.voip-info.org and http://www.asteriskdocs.org
20:23.50MatsKWait there is a quite good IP Telephony cookbook, Im searching for the url
20:23.54blitzragemy007ms: asteriskdocs is a good place to learn some dialplan stuff... its a bit sparse right now, but we'll be getting new docs out in the next few months its hoped
20:24.10blitzrageMatsK: yes, then please submit it to asteriskdocs
20:25.34my007msblitzrage do u run astresick with all option
20:26.07MatsKhttp://www.terena.nl/library/IPTELEPHONYCOOKBOOK/
20:27.03MatsKThere is a 7MegaByte PDF file that describes IP telephony quite god, and its a university publication, and I will post it at the doc site
20:27.34my007msthanks so so much
20:28.29blitzragemy007ms: I'm not sure anyone uses ALL the options. Heck, I just saw kpfleming (major coder to Asterisk code base) said he's never used AGI... :)
20:29.00cypromishehe
20:29.02cypromisgood for him
20:29.08cypromisagi is a pain in the butt
20:29.11my007ms:))
20:29.14blitzrageyah.. I've been avoiding it :)
20:29.28cypromishmm than again you say your a scripter
20:29.30cypromis*grin*
20:29.35blitzrage*gasp* :)
20:29.49my007mswhere r u from blitzrage
20:29.51blitzragecypromis: this is true... I'm working on a script right now... hopefully it'll work this time through too! :)
20:30.03blitzragemy007ms: C Eh? N Eh? D Eh?
20:30.15blitzrage... Toronto, Canada
20:30.16cypromisblitzrage: try to use fastagi
20:30.22cypromisrids you at least of some headaches
20:30.30blitzragecypromis: hrmmmm... I'll keep that in mind
20:30.44cypromisor res_whatever
20:30.47blitzragecypromis: actually, I did use AGI once in my final project for school, then decided I didn't need to do it that way
20:30.48my007msnice to see u all
20:31.05cypromisI had our billing system on agi
20:31.10cypromisand it was a major pain in the butt
20:31.10cypromis:D
20:31.16blitzrageyah... seems sketchy :)
20:31.34blitzrageso... postgresql isn't tooooooooo bad...
20:31.51cypromisdepends what you compare it to
20:31.51cypromis;)
20:31.53MatsKmy007ms: Nice talking to you
20:32.40MatsKblitzrage: URL submitted to the doc forum
20:32.51blitzrageMatsK: thanks
20:32.56blitzragecypromis: what do you like? :)
20:33.02my007msi really will be soooo great IT if i can run programme ;)
20:33.09cypromisblitzrage: holidays ?
20:33.17blitzragemy007ms: well, you'll learn lots anyways :)
20:33.19blitzragecypromis: lol
20:33.25blitzragecypromis: holidays are just another day that I work :)
20:33.31my007mswhere is this forum
20:33.44cypromisblitzrage: yeah been doing that for 24 years now
20:33.49cypromisI think I should give it a break
20:33.50cypromislol
20:33.51cypromisanyway
20:33.54blitzragecypromis: I was born 24 years ago :)
20:33.55cypromiscurrently I like ingres
20:33.58cypromisbut that can change
20:34.13blitzrageingres?
20:34.18blitzragenever heard of that one
20:34.18cypromisyeah
20:34.21cypromiscomputer associates ingres
20:34.45cypromisalthough if I would have endless funds
20:34.49cypromisI'd go either with informix
20:34.55cypromisor with IBM extended enterprise edition
20:35.00blitzrageOracle! :D
20:35.09MatsKmy007ms: Read this first http://www.terena.nl/library/IPTELEPHONYCOOKBOOK/chapters/IPTELEPHONYCOOKBOOK.pdf
20:35.11blitzrageit must be good... look at the name
20:35.13my007msis there is any one vs digium in this
20:35.56cypromisyou mean larry's approach to become rich and famous and buy onasis yacht ?
20:35.58cypromisnah
20:36.08cypromisvs digium in what sense ?
20:36.27MatsKmy007ms: Read that doc to get a generall understanding
20:36.30my007msin any kind they make programme and have the hardware
20:36.33blitzragethere is competing hardware, and cypromis has his own fork
20:36.42cypromis:)
20:36.43cypromisanyway
20:36.48cypromisthe point is rather
20:36.57cypromisyou need to understand the basic concepts of telephony
20:37.02blitzrageagreed
20:37.04cypromisboth classic tdm based one and ip telephony
20:37.11my007msi start download of book
20:37.22cypromisto make any real use of asterisk/aefirion/yate/ess5/md110 whatever
20:37.45cypromisthere is no use in buying a MD110 and learning erlang and than not knowing what switching is
20:37.47my007msi was this is tp secret info
20:37.58my007msi was think this is top secert info
20:38.21cypromishttp://www.packetizer.com/
20:38.24cypromisis a good link as well
20:38.33cypromishttp://www.packetizer.com/voip/papers/understanding_voip/
20:38.48cypromisfor example
20:39.20blitzrageknowing Asterisk requires more than JUST knowing how to use Asterisk, but its like that with any PBX system
20:39.24cypromisI hate all this voip crap strictly speaking
20:39.25cypromislol
20:39.35blitzragecypromis: VoIP rocks ;)
20:40.02blitzragecypromis: but it can certainly causes problems TDM circuits don't have :)
20:40.13blitzragecypromis: ahhhh yes.... E1's! :)
20:40.14cypromisyup
20:40.22cypromisnah
20:40.26cypromisbetter ISUP + v5.2
20:40.27cypromis;)
20:40.38blitzrageI want N.A. BRI
20:40.49cypromisMatsK: I was never a windows user
20:40.50cypromislol
20:40.55MatsKlol
20:41.01blitzrageI proudly use WinXP as my desktop :)
20:41.07cypromisalthough I am quite impressed by microsofts SNA gateway
20:41.08cypromisand video
20:41.11cypromissorry
20:41.11cypromisvisio
20:41.13MatsKHave to rewite that slapscript with BSD
20:41.21cypromisyeah that would fit better
20:41.37blitzragehowever its full of putty windows logged into Linux boxen :)
20:41.42MatsKLOL
20:41.55cypromisblitzrage: If I could choose
20:41.58cypromisI would stay with solaris
20:42.01cypromisas I said
20:42.04cypromisI like things that just work
20:42.12blitzrageMatsK: lol
20:42.26MatsKSo that was the fun part
20:42.39my007mswhat els kernel i need to run in linux
20:42.53MatsK2.4
20:43.08blitzrage2.4 or 2.6
20:43.31MatsKHas all issues with 2.6 been ironed out now ?
20:43.42blitzrageMatsK: has all issues with 2.4 been ironed out now?
20:43.42cypromiswhatever best supports your hardware/distro
20:44.00cypromisyour starting at the wrong point
20:44.06cypromisthe question is
20:44.07blitzragecypromis: agreed
20:44.14cypromiswhen will gcc and glibc be so stable
20:44.22cypromisthat they will be able to create a 100% stable kernel
20:44.23cypromislol
20:44.28blitzragehahaha
20:45.02MatsKAs one of my teatchers said, all programs that need more than one page to print it out on has a bug.
20:45.12cypromishmm
20:45.15cypromisyou could cite RMS here
20:45.23cypromisI fixed tens of thousands of bugs in my life
20:45.30cypromisand introduced millions of new ones
20:45.32cypromishe must know
20:45.34my007mscan astresick run 2p in home
20:45.35cypromishe wrote gcc
20:45.35MatsKLOL
20:45.44MatsKYes it can
20:45.58blitzragehrmmmm... how can I add a user to postgres from the console?
20:46.40cypromisgrant (whatyouwanttogrant) to user identified by 'password';
20:46.43cypromisas far as I remember
20:46.59blitzrageok, I'll look into it :)
20:52.44MatsKblitzrage: Are your ansestors danish ?
20:53.48blitzrageMatsK: yes, my grandfather was born in Denmark
20:54.35MatsKblitzrage: I recon that from your quite traditional Danish looking name :-)
20:55.41blitzrageMatsK: lol... yah, not sure you get much more Danish than that name :)
20:56.23MatsKblitzrage: Yep
20:58.09girabrazsomeone know on sip server proxy SER with gateways
20:59.27cypromisrol grol med flol
20:59.33cypromisis all I remember from my danish
20:59.44cypromiswas living there for a while 28 years ago
21:00.12blitzragecypromis: thats more than I know :)
21:00.32cypromisskol
21:00.41blitzragewhat the heck do you know!
21:00.43blitzrage;)
21:01.07cypromisI hear it all the time from all the pissed skandinavians
21:01.11cypromiswhen I go to gdansk
21:01.28blitzragecypromis: lol
21:01.29cypromiswhen everybody gets compleetely pissed in 15 minutes and than crashes
21:01.35cypromisis what we call a skandinavian party over here
21:01.36cypromis;)
21:01.53blitzragehahahaha
21:02.33MatsKlol
21:02.35cypromisalcohol is so expensive in skandinavia that when they come here they nearly never stay sober for more than a couple of seconds
21:02.40cypromisthey allready fall pissed from the ferry
21:03.10blitzragehaha. Not expensive here...
21:03.14MatsKThat's not true anymore, now it's quite cheap sinse we entered the EU
21:03.23cypromisnah
21:03.25cypromiscompared to here
21:03.31cypromisvodka costs a fortune in your area
21:03.32cypromis;)
21:03.49blitzragevodka... bah
21:04.12MatsKWell I live in Norway and everything is twice the cost in Sweden sooo
21:04.23cypromisproblems with our national favourite drink ?
21:04.24cypromis;)
21:04.27MatsKBut Im not a average person
21:04.34cypromisMatsK: I am in Poland
21:04.59MatsKWhats that "Atomic uboat" ?
21:05.22cypromisatomic submarine ?
21:05.54cypromisha
21:05.56blitzragethats what I was thinking :)
21:06.01MatsKthats the same, you sink a snaps filled with beer in a beerglass filled with vodka
21:06.05cypromishutchison will build the 4th gsm network over here
21:06.09blitzragecypromis: actually, I used to drink a lot of vodka when I started drinking :)
21:06.54MatsKI like the Danish/Norwegian type of Aquavit
21:06.59blitzragecypromis: you got any IM's? /msg me with your address(es) if you want
21:07.32cypromisloool
21:07.58cypromisthe world bank just rated our courts the slowest ones in the world
21:10.59blitzragecypromis: not slow... just careful :)
21:11.06cypromison average
21:11.15cypromisif you take someone who does not pay you to court
21:11.22cypromisit takes 1200 days to get your money
21:12.50blitzrageholy shit
21:12.54blitzrageyah, thats pretty damn slow
21:13.08blitzragebut good at the same time... you'll only go to court if you REALLY need to
21:13.22blitzrageunlike some countries where people sue for the stupidest little things
21:13.41blitzrageI think people sue in certain countries just to get rich, and not for any other reason
21:14.04my007mspleas blitzrage
21:14.25my007mswhat kind of linux u used redhat or what?
21:15.43my007msi used redhat most of the time is it good for astresick
21:16.00cypromismy007ms: I use centos mostly
21:16.06cypromiswhich is a Redhat Enterprise clone
21:16.10cypromiswww.centos.org
21:16.22cypromisit seems to be stable enough for our callcenter customers
21:16.23cypromis;)
21:17.17my007mswhat is make unix still strong then linux
21:17.56cypromismy007ms: solaris
21:18.14cypromisat least in the telco world
21:18.26cypromisit really depends on the type of business
21:18.37cypromisyou will find AIX in banks, insurances and many research facilities
21:18.43cypromismostly solaris in telco and engineering
21:18.48cypromisand HP/UX in manufacturing
21:19.03my007mscentos is free like othere
21:19.03cypromisplus IRIX in graphics and film effects
21:19.06cypromisyes
21:19.16cypromisaaah let's not forget macos/xc
21:19.18cypromis;)
21:19.58my007msbut what is resone the keep ppl go from windows is it just money
21:21.07blitzragelearning curve
21:21.36cypromisnah
21:21.41cypromispeople are used to pointy clicky
21:21.42my007ms:)
21:22.03my007msthey can used DOS :D
21:22.09cypromisbut there seem to be more and more mac people around
21:22.22cypromisin the telco world it's simple
21:22.28cypromisthere are bilions invested in solaris training
21:22.41cypromisand the boxes simply never die
21:22.42cypromis;)
21:23.14cypromisalthough my average bsd uptimes are not that different from our solaris uptimes
21:23.18cypromis11:22PM  up 445 days, 19:25, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
21:23.48my007ms:) whatis more good freebsd or linux
21:24.04blitzragemy007ms: depends who you ask
21:24.19blitzragecypromis: I'm not impressed :)
21:24.29cypromiswhy ?
21:24.33cypromisit's a via800
21:24.39blitzrageoh come on... I'm joking!
21:24.43cypromisdoing all email/web/irc/jabber stuff for us
21:24.45cypromis;)
21:24.51cypromisI am impressed myslef
21:24.52blitzragecypromis: you obviously have no idea how sarcastic I am :)
21:24.55cypromisI vener touch that box
21:25.02cypromisnah
21:25.04cypromisI am just tired
21:25.05cypromislol
21:25.31blitzragewelp... I'm heading down to the pool to do some lengths... back later
21:25.40cypromisyeah I am going home
21:25.47cypromisoffice adt midnight is silly
21:25.48cypromis;)
21:25.51cypromisbbl
21:26.49my007mspleas let me ask the hard Q for me what OS is used in asresuck in my Co i need verey good one freeBSD openBSD linux or unix or what i used radhat9 in all server i make b4
21:27.33my007msi will spend abut 3 month in learn :) and i need to know the beast
21:27.36my007ms:D
21:28.07my007msasterisck*
21:28.08blitzragemy007ms: use whatever distro you are comfortable with
21:28.17blitzragemy007ms: if you need hardware, you'll need Linux
21:28.33blitzragemy007ms: if you know RH9, use CentOS
21:28.43my007msis it free
21:43.35my007mshttp://amp.coalescentsystems.ca/
22:14.21blitzragehermie: you take down bugbot?
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22:14.59blitzragedrumkilla: its ok... he'll be back
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