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| 07:15.39 | oej | Morning folks |
| 07:27.50 | wdoekes | good morning |
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| 08:10.57 | wdoekes | tzafrir_laptop: morning |
| 08:11.13 | wdoekes | I have a pending review for you |
| 08:14.02 | tzafrir_laptop | Upstart can deal with double fork. |
| 08:14.14 | tzafrir_laptop | That said, upstart should not use safe_asterisk |
| 08:14.52 | tzafrir_laptop | And should run asterisk directly and restart when necessary |
| 08:17.03 | tzafrir_laptop | One minor nit (for a later commit) - the configure syntax of 'test x$foo != x' |
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| 08:20.20 | tzafrir_laptop | wdoekes, so you want to make it daemonize? |
| 08:27.25 | wdoekes | tzafrir_laptop: I don't understand the question |
| 08:28.00 | wdoekes | re: the double fork: I'd wrap it in another subshell so it gets taken over by init |
| 08:29.26 | wdoekes | yes, upstart can deal with double fork. but I'd force anyone using it to change 'expect fork' to 'expect daemon' |
| 08:29.58 | wdoekes | not something to do in 1.8 |
| 08:32.14 | wdoekes | can you file the items on the issue? and confirm that it allows the removal of safe_asterisk-nobg from the debian-patches? |
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| 08:37.24 | wdoekes | tzafrir_laptop: or did I not make the intent of the ASTSAFE_FOREGROUND change clear? |
| 08:54.11 | oej | I think safe_asterisk has to die. It's old and bad. |
| 08:56.04 | wdoekes | perhaps so, and systemd can probably replace most of it, but I require the automatic restart functions, and I like that it renames my core files |
| 08:58.13 | wdoekes | file: poke mjordan that the releases include config_odbc edits without r414564 |
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| 09:27.34 | michael_work | NO |
| 09:27.38 | michael_work | what systemd |
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| 09:27.54 | michael_work | do not tied your system to systemd |
| 09:28.13 | michael_work | s/syste/asterisk/ |
| 09:28.27 | michael_work | hmm |
| 09:28.34 | michael_work | i faield twice :( |
| 09:29.23 | wdoekes | thrice |
| 09:30.03 | michael_work | failed |
| 09:30.12 | michael_work | and yes you are right |
| 09:30.18 | michael_work | now i can go and kill myself |
| 09:30.26 | wdoekes | :) |
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| 09:44.53 | oej | We all remember michael_work as a nice guy and a member of the community. We not thought that he failed trice in his last attempt to communicate before he gave up… :-) |
| 09:45.13 | oej | Arrrggghh. Spelling cojetion... |
| 09:45.23 | oej | s/not thought/note though/ |
| 09:46.33 | michael_work | :P |
| 09:47.00 | michael_work | i like the way you changed the topic from systemd being terrible though :P |
| 09:57.32 | wdoekes | don't know about systemd, but I can assure you that upstart is terrible. last week I tried to edit one of those and got kernel panics instead |
| 11:14.00 | oej | I have heard a talk about systemd and it's refreshing. hard to understand all the new things. |
| 11:19.47 | Tim_Toady | i guess we cant avoid systemd anymore, its on redhat will be on debian/ubuntu |
| 11:21.42 | Tim_Toady | i dont like it much myself but it's something we have to live with. I don;t like the mentality of its developers, seems a bit overengineered, but it offers a nice set of features |
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| 12:00.45 | wdoekes | file: too fast, I was still updating the patch =) |
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| 13:08.47 | file | that's what I get for looking in the morning |
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| 13:14.07 | file | wdoekes, how much else did I break? >_> |
| 13:15.01 | michael_work | file, wdoekes when i request license agreement i have to give full name. But in account's profile i use only K. . The full name would not be displayed in public, right? |
| 13:15.21 | michael_work | i would prefer not to have it in public. that's why i'm asking |
| 13:15.28 | file | michael_work, it won't |
| 13:15.36 | michael_work | good |
| 13:15.43 | michael_work | makes evil laugh |
| 13:15.48 | michael_work | MWAHAHAHA |
| 13:15.50 | michael_work | thanks :) |
| 13:16.39 | file | I don't even think I could see it unless I went to great lengths |
| 13:16.43 | file | legal can, though |
| 13:18.19 | file | I'm working from a co-working space today and it's really... nice |
| 13:24.26 | oej | …and orang... |
| 13:24.29 | oej | orange |
| 13:24.30 | file | yes. |
| 13:24.51 | file | their logo is orange, part of the carpet is orange, parts of cabinets are orange |
| 13:28.40 | oej | And your soul is orange. |
| 13:29.10 | opticron | if anyone feels like reviewing a mostly SIPp-based test: https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/3560/ |
| 13:30.33 | file | opticron, SIPp with 3PCC usage you should say |
| 13:30.58 | opticron | only a little :) |
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| 14:06.41 | file | putnopvut, I saw you on here on the weekend! |
| 14:07.03 | putnopvut | Yep, was replacing Ubuntu with Mint on Sunday and getting stuff set up. |
| 14:07.24 | file | are you annoyed less? |
| 14:07.28 | putnopvut | Far less |
| 14:07.51 | putnopvut | I have something resembling a desktop environment now! |
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| 14:32.46 | coreyfarrell | putnopvut: cinnamon or mate? |
| 14:33.39 | Marquis42 | Pfft, xmonad FTW :P |
| 14:33.39 | putnopvut | coreyfarrell, cinnamon |
| 14:35.18 | coreyfarrell | cool.. I've been running it for a year or two now. only thing I run into is sometimes I have to restart cinnamon if I want to play vlc full screen. probably wouldn't be an issue if I restarted my computer more than 4 times a year though |
| 14:37.21 | putnopvut | Well, luckily for me, I probably won't be hitting that sort of issue here at the office :) |
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| 15:30.31 | tm1000 | woke up this morning to see a post by file about webrtc….I knew exactly where it was going to go and then I go into it to see quotes from mjordan !! whoo whoo! |
| 15:30.37 | tm1000 | cant wait to reference this to people! |
| 15:30.42 | file | tm1000, lol |
| 15:31.19 | file | go ahead! I felt it needed to be somewhere |
| 15:39.52 | file | geez my tweet is getting ... retweeted |
| 15:43.57 | mjordan | egads |
| 15:44.42 | file | mjordan, I fail - I should have @ you in the tweet |
| 15:44.44 | file | shame on me |
| 15:46.13 | mjordan | Lord, someone will probably take that as "official" |
| 15:46.17 | mjordan | oh wellz |
| 15:46.25 | file | I asked you! |
| 15:46.34 | mjordan | And I agreed! |
| 15:46.43 | mjordan | I can't help people's interpreting of ... things |
| 15:46.49 | file | but my blog is as unofficial as we can get |
| 15:46.56 | file | your words though... |
| 15:46.59 | file | that I can do nothing about :P |
| 15:47.22 | mjordan | I'm apparently on a roll today of things I should be more subtle about |
| 15:47.28 | mjordan | "You would implement it using ARI (or some other API). The objective of ARI is to kill app_queue. Kill it dead." |
| 15:48.06 | Marquis42 | If nothing else good comes of ARI, it will be worth it if we get good replacements for app_queue. :) |
| 15:48.14 | Marquis42 | hopes and knows more will come of it |
| 15:48.24 | anonymouz666 | can't unload module app_queue.so. It is In Use. Heh |
| 15:48.46 | putnopvut | Marquis42: A key point in your statement is the word "replacements" with an 's' |
| 15:49.14 | putnopvut | As in, people are able to roll their own and implementors will have several options to choose from if they want to use an off-the-shelf version. |
| 15:49.17 | putnopvut | That's a good thing. |
| 15:49.30 | Marquis42 | Yes, multiples. I totally agree that's important. |
| 15:50.51 | file | uh |
| 15:50.56 | file | and now I'm getting linked in requests |
| 15:51.02 | mjordan | yay! |
| 15:53.49 | danjenkins | serves you right webrtc hater |
| 16:01.43 | mjordan | danjenkins: I don't hate WebRTC. I hate people building "disruptive businesses" who are "innovative" but can't deal with the technologies. |
| 16:02.00 | mjordan | I'm more disappointed with whatever jackass VC's invested in said ... people. |
| 16:03.04 | danjenkins | lol |
| 16:04.16 | oej | mjordan: You're just envious! |
| 16:04.38 | oej | Btw: We should change our business model. Who the &€&€& came up with the idea to GIVE AWAY all our work for FREE? |
| 16:04.47 | oej | Who wants to invest in us, mjordan? |
| 16:05.28 | oej | Let's form a new company and OWN the customer. Only proprietary platforms and protocols. |
| 16:05.32 | oej | Let's call it Microsoft. |
| 16:05.44 | oej | Wait… Someone already did that, didn't they? :-) |
| 16:06.59 | anonymouz666 | hehe |
| 16:08.04 | mjordan | oej: pretty much :-) |
| 16:10.34 | oej | Ok, working on plan H |
| 16:10.38 | oej | I'll be back |
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| 18:26.14 | mjordan | file: so this one is interesting |
| 18:26.28 | mjordan | file: the pbx core is abandoning the main pbx loop after the first priority |
| 18:26.37 | mjordan | [Jun 2 13:16:01] DEBUG[29058][C-00000001] pbx.c: Extension charlie, priority 1 returned normally even though call was hung up |
| 18:26.50 | mjordan | except, of course, the call (the transferred channel) isn't hung up |
| 18:26.58 | file | softhangup flags! |
| 18:27.02 | file | (I blame those) |
| 18:27.02 | mjordan | I'm guessing that something on a different thread is setting a soft hang up flag |
| 18:27.03 | mjordan | yup! |
| 18:27.09 | mjordan | the loop handles ASYNC_GOTO |
| 18:27.13 | mjordan | guess which one it doesn't handle? |
| 18:27.24 | file | the TACOS flag? |
| 18:27.30 | mjordan | well, yes |
| 18:27.47 | mjordan | AST_SOFTHANGUP_UNBRIDGE :-) |
| 18:28.08 | mjordan | When testing this patch out, I had put an ast_log_backtrace into ast_channel_softhangup |
| 18:28.16 | file | of course |
| 18:28.20 | mjordan | so someone, somewhere, is putting an unbridge on there, and if I make it wait long enough.... |
| 18:28.23 | mjordan | Maybe? |
| 18:28.25 | mjordan | I shall see! |
| 18:28.46 | file | adding a frame hook will cause an unbridge |
| 18:29.04 | file | removing one may also do it |
| 18:29.06 | mjordan | heh |
| 18:29.09 | mjordan | I'll bet that's it |
| 18:29.24 | file | so that the bridging core will do a re-evaluation |
| 18:29.25 | mjordan | hm... not quite |
| 18:29.35 | mjordan | I don't remove the framehook until you go into the second bridge |
| 18:29.56 | mjordan | but re-evaluation does occur when channels get ejected from a native bridge |
| 18:30.11 | mjordan | so, like, only 3 places it could happen. Or 10. Or 100. |
| 18:30.50 | file | or 11. |
| 18:30.59 | mjordan | I reiterate again my hatred for soft hangup flags |
| 18:31.35 | file | mjordan, let the hatred fill you |
| 18:31.37 | mjordan | Hangup should imply a hangup. It should not imply "meh, go do something else". But oh well. |
| 18:31.41 | mjordan | file: it makes me stronger |
| 18:31.57 | mjordan | file: I HAVE BROUGHT PEACE TO THE ASTERISK PROJECT |
| 18:32.20 | file | AND HARMONY |
| 18:32.33 | mjordan | SEE ME GET ALL ANGSTY OVER NATALIE PORTMAN |
| 18:32.49 | file | mjordan, you should go GOTH |
| 18:33.40 | mjordan | and yup, that's my problem |
| 18:34.22 | file | imagines a goth mjordan and is amused |
| 18:35.14 | rmudgett | mjordan: The UNBRIDGE flag should never be set outside of the bridge system. |
| 18:35.33 | mjordan | rmudgett: it is getting set by the bridge system |
| 18:35.39 | rmudgett | You get hung up on otherwise :) |
| 18:35.51 | rmudgett | It should be cleared then. |
| 18:35.54 | mjordan | it is not |
| 18:36.01 | mjordan | ponders |
| 18:36.25 | mjordan | well, there is an exception to that. |
| 18:36.46 | mjordan | framehooks, when getting added or removed, set UNBRIDGE on a channel if (and only if) the channel is in a bridge |
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