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| 01:53.49 | file | mjordan, ummmm |
| 01:53.56 | file | mjordan, hi. |
| 01:54.10 | mjordan | what. is. up. |
| 01:54.24 | file | apparently not DigiNet |
| 01:54.28 | mjordan | nope! |
| 01:54.41 | mjordan | it is down, and not like friday. Unless it got down with friday prematurely |
| 01:54.49 | file | Jeffrey has bad luck. |
| 01:56.12 | file | offers mjordan a goat |
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| 01:56.23 | mjordan | MMmmm. Goat. |
| 02:18.31 | opticron | you're having goat?? |
| 02:18.59 | opticron | file, can I have one, too? |
| 02:19.08 | file | opticron, there's a surcharge for you |
| 02:19.24 | opticron | the standard shipping and handling, I assume |
| 02:23.12 | file | yes... "standard" |
| 02:24.21 | opticron | I don't think we sacrificed enough equipment before doing maintenance on the building's UPS |
| 02:24.44 | file | opticron, ...yeah |
| 02:25.51 | file | and to bed I go |
| 02:25.59 | file | peace all |
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| 10:09.55 | skrusty | danjenkins: yeah just reading it now |
| 10:10.08 | skrusty | trying to think of a constructive reply to support it :D |
| 10:10.35 | danjenkins | : |
| 10:10.36 | danjenkins | :D |
| 10:10.44 | danjenkins | i need to reply to alistair |
| 10:10.53 | skrusty | yeah |
| 10:11.07 | skrusty | i think using an external message bus misses the point |
| 10:12.04 | skrusty | ARI should be a complimentary API, not a thorn in 3rd party dev's side |
| 10:12.33 | skrusty | why should people have to use "another standard" just to commicate with something that, to them is no different from app_queue |
| 10:12.53 | skrusty | they may be totally unaware it's an ARI implementation, and to be honest, they shouldn't have to care |
| 10:14.55 | danjenkins | exactly |
| 10:15.27 | danjenkins | whether asterisk chooses to use a message bus that already exists to do it, is up to asterisk |
| 10:15.58 | danjenkins | the client should only have to care about asterisk, otherwise things just get uber complicated for someone first approaching asterisk |
| 10:16.05 | danjenkins | its already too complicated |
| 10:21.02 | skrusty | otherwise it's going to be "yet another standard" for asterisk communications |
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| 10:29.41 | danjenkins | indeed |
| 10:29.48 | skrusty | i posted my reply |
| 10:29.54 | danjenkins | yeah i saw, cheers! |
| 10:30.09 | skrusty | i should have waited to lunchtime, not had coffee yet, i bet i sound like a rambling fool :D |
| 10:40.54 | danjenkins | not at all! :D |
| 10:44.37 | skrusty | drinks coffee :) |
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| 14:31.24 | opticron | for anyone interested in doing code reviews: https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/3051/ https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/3122/ |
| 14:31.48 | opticron | the second one is for specifying channel variables during ARI origination in the JSON body |
| 14:32.09 | opticron | without compromising in-body query parameter support |
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| 15:46.12 | file | huh, chan_h323 uses codec bitfields |
| 15:47.59 | mjordan | ew |
| 15:48.07 | file | and app_meetme does sorta |
| 15:48.19 | mjordan | nothing like having multiple channel drivers for a protocol we don't care about |
| 15:48.21 | mjordan | :-P |
| 15:48.33 | rustlebee | lulz |
| 15:49.03 | file | to quote a -users post: |
| 15:49.04 | file | "Asterisk team prefers to make everybody think |
| 15:49.05 | file | that SIP is the only viable call setup protocol around." |
| 15:50.33 | mjordan | really? |
| 15:50.41 | mjordan | I didn't realize I had that impact on ... THE WORLD. |
| 15:51.58 | file | THE WORLD tastes like CHICKEN |
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| 16:38.13 | skrusty | and so ath ARI -> AMI discussion continues danjenkins ;) |
| 16:43.29 | danjenkins | LOL, i feel people are missing the point skrusty |
| 16:43.45 | skrusty | i know :( |
| 16:43.51 | skrusty | does my second email help any further? |
| 16:43.58 | danjenkins | what if tomorrow, there were no C apps, and we were just left with core asterisk |
| 16:44.03 | skrusty | i feel like i am just rephrasing the same thing, or is it us?! :D |
| 16:44.04 | danjenkins | it does for me |
| 16:44.39 | skrusty | i know i am not making any technical assumptions, just the simple logic of how people "work day to day" with asterisk |
| 16:44.42 | danjenkins | and you said to everyone, well yeah, if you want queue information, you have nto go and make a websocket connection to this random port on a machine |
| 16:44.46 | skrusty | speaking from a development point of view anyway |
| 16:44.54 | skrusty | yeah! |
| 16:45.02 | danjenkins | you'd say "youre crazy!" |
| 16:45.19 | skrusty | "oh, and that websocket might or might not be running on a local instance" |
| 16:45.25 | danjenkins | LOL |
| 16:45.41 | skrusty | "oh... and now you need to consider if you can ACTUALLY get to that websocket from your network... etc etc" |
| 16:45.47 | danjenkins | maybe its just us |
| 16:46.01 | skrusty | i think it is... we're just too forward thinking for these kids ;) |
| 16:46.03 | skrusty | haha |
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| 16:51.46 | skrusty | wb :) |
| 17:00.36 | pabelanger | danjenkins, I plan to reply to your email too, just dealing with some stuff ATM |
| 17:00.51 | danjenkins | no problem |
| 17:01.11 | danjenkins | skrusty: i think my vpn disconnected me :S |
| 17:01.42 | skrusty | hehe :) |
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| 18:43.59 | [TK]D-Fender | [11:43]danjenkinswhat if tomorrow, there were no C apps, and we were just left with core asterisk <_ UNIX, and subsequently Linux, and GNU utils are all "C". Kiss a lot more goodbye than just Asterisk |
| 18:44.29 | danjenkins | that's not what i meant at all |
| 18:44.41 | danjenkins | C apps being app_queue |
| 18:44.54 | danjenkins | context |
| 18:49.43 | [TK]D-Fender | All of * and it's apps are C last I checked... |
| 18:51.12 | danjenkins | yes and if you had read what we were talking about you would see the context |
| 18:53.43 | danjenkins | if you check out the app-dev mailing list you'll see the background to the comments :) |
| 18:55.16 | rustlebee | there's about 0.08% C++ |
| 18:56.25 | rustlebee | and some shell scripts. |
| 18:56.25 | rustlebee | :-p |
| 18:56.25 | danjenkins | the shell scripts are my favourite part ;) |
| 18:57.06 | rustlebee | danjenkins: do you dream about configure? |
| 18:57.06 | Qwell | mjordan: danjenkins just volunteered to maintain the configure script! |
| 18:57.10 | Qwell | >.> |
| 18:57.15 | rustlebee | Qwell: jinx, kinda. |
| 18:57.22 | danjenkins | it's the only part i understand ;) |
| 18:58.10 | rustlebee | you're doing OK if you understand it |
| 18:58.15 | rustlebee | configure itself is a beast to read |
| 18:58.24 | rustlebee | configure.ac isn't as bad ... but it's still a lot of magic |
| 18:58.27 | rustlebee | m4 macros ftw |
| 18:58.52 | danjenkins | :D |
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| 19:48.37 | skrusty | evening |
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| 20:21.44 | skrusty | pabelanger: why ARI/_AMI_ message bus proxy? |
| 20:21.55 | skrusty | what are you using AMI for? |
| 20:22.20 | pabelanger | skrusty, we are not using AMI |
| 20:22.32 | pabelanger | what would we use it forr? |
| 20:22.38 | skrusty | it's in your diagram |
| 20:22.51 | skrusty | "Python ARI/AMI Message Bus Proxy" |
| 20:23.06 | pabelanger | Oh |
| 20:23.20 | skrusty | :) |
| 20:24.24 | pabelanger | Since asterisk cannot communicate directly to AMQP, we plan to load a local AMI / ARI python app that does it |
| 20:24.25 | pabelanger | Otherwise we need to trace where each ARI http address is in the cloud |
| 20:24.38 | pabelanger | but if we just send the message on the bus, it will reach the far end |
| 20:24.40 | pabelanger | where ever it lives |
| 20:24.45 | skrusty | ok |
| 20:25.02 | skrusty | i get what you guys are saying on the mailing list |
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| 20:25.30 | skrusty | i jsut want to see standard for communication |
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| 20:26.13 | skrusty | some standard even |
| 20:26.50 | pabelanger | https://xkcd.com/927/ |
| 20:27.03 | pabelanger | many people have tried before |
| 20:27.08 | pabelanger | but it is a lot of work |
| 20:27.13 | pabelanger | but I know what you are saying |
| 20:27.23 | skrusty | heh :) |
| 20:27.32 | pabelanger | I think the best thing to do, is allow for open communications between ARI applications |
| 20:27.43 | pabelanger | so, if somebody wants to use our version of queue find |
| 20:27.55 | pabelanger | but somebody elses voicemail, fine |
| 20:28.01 | pabelanger | you might have to bridge them your self |
| 20:28.19 | skrusty | so, for me as a framework developer - how should we consider facilitating our users to move forwards? AsterNET supprts AMI, that's fine, we're building ARI support, what next though. how do we help AMI users transition? |
| 20:28.37 | skrusty | that's my view on this, and where i am coming from |
| 20:29.01 | pabelanger | what do you do with app_queue today? |
| 20:29.20 | pabelanger | basically, you are looking for an upgrade path |
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| 20:36.13 | skrusty | not me, but anyone using asternet |
| 20:36.13 | skrusty | a lot of people do wall boarding and desktop clients with it |
| 20:36.14 | skrusty | e.g. team leader consoles etc |
| 20:36.14 | skrusty | but i've seen complete clients also, call management queue management etc all in one |
| 20:37.29 | skrusty | that's the problem i want to help solve |
| 20:37.47 | skrusty | how to glue that together for devs |
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| 21:08.05 | mjordan | file: I may tweak your format page to fit in the 'planning template' motif |
| 21:08.10 | mjordan | since I'll be adding some test plans on it |
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| 21:23.10 | pabelanger | skrusty: Right, so I think there is going to be a new bread of management APIs out side the existing for doing that. If ARI app developers can agree on a common message format, I think the better |
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| 21:24.11 | file | mjordan, go for it |
| 21:24.37 | skrusty | pabelanger: agreed |
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| 21:55.38 | seanbright | mjordan: can you take a quick look at my comments on https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/2723/ |
| 21:55.54 | seanbright | i think it was a copy/paste issue |
| 21:56.02 | seanbright | wanted to make sure before i committed a fix |
| 21:58.25 | mjordan | ye gods |
| 21:58.31 | mjordan | well |
| 21:58.41 | mjordan | that probably explains why some people complained that outbound attributes weren't working |
| 21:58.50 | mjordan | seanbright: ship it |
| 21:59.41 | seanbright | word. |
| 21:59.50 | seanbright | that's just in trunk? |
| 21:59.51 | file | seanbright, hipster. |
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| 22:06.43 | seanbright | file: no merge12trunk in repotools... what do i do? |
| 22:06.57 | file | mergefrom branch-12 <revision> |
| 22:07.39 | seanbright | thanks |
| 22:09.22 | mjordan | huh |
| 22:09.38 | seanbright | eh |
| 22:09.44 | mjordan | seanbright: you might need to update / configure / install your repotools |
| 22:09.51 | seanbright | yeah, i did that |
| 22:09.54 | mjordan | but what file said should work |
| 22:09.56 | mjordan | strange |
| 22:10.10 | seanbright | it doesn't do anything beyond 11trunk for me |
| 22:10.17 | seanbright | but mergefrom does the trick |
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| 22:17.22 | mjordan | file: if I offer ulaw, g729, ilbc (in that order), but we have configured on the endpoint "allow => ilbc,ulaw,g729", then - assuming we respond with all three codecs in our answer - should we give preference to the order in the offer? Or should we give preference to the configuration in pjsip.conf? |
| 22:21.18 | mjordan | hm. |
| 22:21.41 | mjordan | I'm pretty sure the ordering should just match the offer. It might be interesting to have something force it to a certain order, but that should be an exception, not the rule. |
| 22:22.21 | file | my answer is two-fold: I can't answer what we do now... but people would like the ability to select either |
| 22:23.26 | mjordan | file: that's my thought too |
| 22:23.45 | mjordan | file: but reading RFC 3264, I'd say default is to go with what the offerer wants |
| 22:24.00 | mjordan | file: alternatively, you specify the codec preferrence order prior to the Answer |
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