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| 09:22.52 | oej | Hello folks |
| 09:30.05 | kpfleming | oej: hello from geneva |
| 09:30.42 | kpfleming | i arrived yesterday evening, but my brain has not caught up yet |
| 10:02.14 | oej | Ahh, right. That's why you answer mail so early! |
| 10:02.23 | oej | No, the brain takes time to arrive. I know the feeling. |
| 10:02.44 | oej | Gonna work with faxing? |
| 10:02.47 | kpfleming | yes |
| 10:02.50 | kpfleming | meeting this afternoon |
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| 10:03.03 | kpfleming | and it looks like it may be done today, which means i have nothing else on my agenda until i go home on sunday |
| 10:03.04 | oej | I admire your energy to work with that stuff... |
| 10:03.17 | oej | You're alone in Geneva? |
| 10:03.35 | kpfleming | there are other people here, but not anyone else from digium or my wife :-( |
| 10:03.36 | oej | Rent a car a drive to Montreux, then up in the tunnels towards italy. It's beautiful! |
| 10:03.54 | kpfleming | i was thinking about taking a train ride that direction |
| 10:05.02 | oej | Dire straits - smoke on the water - I believe it's from Montreux |
| 10:05.08 | kpfleming | yes |
| 10:05.29 | kpfleming | this meeting room is very fancy |
| 10:08.28 | oej | Going to lunch, back later. Have a nice meeting! |
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| 17:30.49 | philipp64|laptop | there was a bug open on the GSM codec not working when compiled with gcc 4.2... the bug was (I believe) eventually closed out as being unreproducible. well, we just bumped GCC to 4.2 and we're seeing it again. anyone remember the bug # so it can be reopened? thx. |
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| 17:34.08 | putnopvut | philipp64: I don't remember the issue number, but I know of a fix for it. If you compile with DONT_OPTIMIZE enabled, the problem goes away. Corydon76-dig opened a bug report with gcc about it at one point, but I'm not sure how that ended up faring. |
| 17:34.27 | putnopvut | Assuming it's the garbled audio issue. |
| 17:37.48 | leifmadsen | I think the recommendation was to not use the GCC version that caused the garbled audio |
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| 17:44.56 | tzafrir | philipp64|laptop, don't you use a newer gcc? |
| 17:45.17 | philipp64|laptop | you're kidding, right? |
| 17:45.40 | philipp64|laptop | no. we haven't bumped uclibc to 0.9.31 and it's a real $%^&* ball and chain. |
| 17:46.19 | philipp64|laptop | Star2star *was* going to pay someone to port eglibc (the better bet) to Astlinux, but... that fell through for various apparently nefarious reasons. :-) |
| 17:46.58 | tzafrir | And they say Debian is slow... |
| 17:47.01 | philipp64|laptop | sorry, I'm a little touchy about it. it's been a source of some aggravation... |
| 17:47.12 | philipp64|laptop | Debian has hundreds of contributors. |
| 17:47.25 | philipp64|laptop | Astlinux has 2.5 part-time contributors. |
| 18:05.05 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: the issue was in some builtin ASM optimizations included with the libgsm source. Once we fixed the ASM, the problem went away |
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| 19:06.52 | philipp64|laptop | how far away is labeling 1.8, and if we miss the deadline for 1.8 on 11688, what's the chances of it getting into 1.8.0.1? |
| 19:11.16 | pabelanger | over 9000? |
| 19:32.59 | russellb | 1.8 will be feature frozen just like every other release |
| 19:33.04 | russellb | M11688 |
| 19:33.08 | MuffinMan | [ready for testing] [Asterisk] Channels/chan_sip/NewFeature 0011688: [patch] Allow Sipura handsets (SPA942) to use Asterisk SLA via implementation of Broadsoft Sip extensions reported by grossi https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=11688 |
| 19:33.14 | russellb | have you tested that? |
| 19:53.02 | Corydon76-dig | Only security fixes would be in 1.8.0.1, anyway |
| 20:00.30 | russellb | heh, good point |
| 20:00.35 | russellb | he was probably just following the 1.6.X version numbering model |
| 20:01.42 | philipp64|laptop | sorry, no. I've been trying to contact the reporter of that bug so we could get together on a test plan, but he's been mum. |
| 20:01.58 | philipp64|laptop | so when and where would 11688 slip in? |
| 20:04.12 | Corydon76-dig | If not in 1.8, it'll have to wait until 1.10 |
| 20:05.32 | leifmadsen | or 1.12 :) |
| 20:05.41 | russellb | or 1.14 |
| 20:05.44 | seanbright | 1.8 branching is... today? tomorrow? |
| 20:05.48 | russellb | Friday! |
| 20:05.51 | leifmadsen | yesterday |
| 20:05.53 | russellb | FRIDAY |
| 20:05.56 | russellb | there, I set a day. |
| 20:06.03 | leifmadsen | I want to branch it! |
| 20:06.06 | russellb | leifmadsen: too bad |
| 20:06.21 | seanbright | friday. good times. |
| 20:06.21 | leifmadsen | the person who branches it gets to do the releases for that branch |
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| 20:06.27 | russellb | j |
| 20:06.29 | russellb | er, k |
| 20:06.33 | Corydon76-dig | leifmadsen: you're welcome to branch 1.8, once it's been created |
| 20:06.44 | leifmadsen | pabelanger: ^^^^ |
| 20:06.45 | russellb | Corydon76-dig: good call |
| 20:06.47 | leifmadsen | FRIDAY! |
| 20:06.52 | Corydon76-dig | Branch it into 1.8.0... 1.8.1... |
| 20:07.09 | russellb | branch it into team/yourface |
| 20:07.22 | leifmadsen | svn cp ${SVN}/1.8 ${SVN}/the_real_1.8 |
| 20:07.30 | russellb | will the real 1.8 please stand up? |
| 20:07.39 | leifmadsen | sits down |
| 20:07.55 | Corydon76-dig | team/group/1.8.0+my_crazy_changes |
| 20:08.05 | pabelanger | zomg!11ones! |
| 20:08.20 | leifmadsen | *coughnon-rootinstallcough* |
| 20:08.57 | Corydon76-dig | I was just wondering why I was feeling more anxious than normal. Turns out, I forgot to take my meds this morning... |
| 20:09.24 | Corydon76-dig | D'oh! |
| 20:09.54 | leifmadsen | meds are for suckers |
| 20:10.06 | russellb | <3 meds |
| 20:10.07 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: I've been wracking my brain for a few days trying to figure out when I missed a day on mine. the math doesn't add up. it's...annoying. |
| 20:10.07 | Corydon76-dig | Meds are for crazy people |
| 20:10.41 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: I keep my weekly supply in a day-labelled set of boxes |
| 20:10.43 | leifmadsen | I only take vitamins and beer |
| 20:10.55 | leifmadsen | I got one of those boxes for my vitamins! :) |
| 20:10.58 | Corydon76-dig | Helps when I forget whether I've taken them or not |
| 20:11.12 | Corydon76-dig | Taking a double dose is not good |
| 20:11.22 | Corydon76-dig | As is forgetting a day |
| 20:11.46 | leifmadsen | I feel like an old man |
| 20:11.46 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: mine are a pain in the ass. a box won't work. |
| 20:11.46 | Qwell | well, really, it's only a pita 1/3rd of the time. *ahem8. |
| 20:11.57 | Qwell | leifmadsen: you are old |
| 20:12.08 | leifmadsen | burn! |
| 20:12.12 | leifmadsen | I feel like making releases |
| 20:12.26 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: Boxes too small? |
| 20:12.27 | leifmadsen | I think I will make 1.4.34 and 1.6.2.10 |
| 20:12.32 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: injected |
| 20:12.45 | putnopvut | ASS SHOTS |
| 20:12.48 | Qwell | ^ |
| 20:12.52 | leifmadsen | o.O |
| 20:13.02 | Qwell | I was being too subtle. heh |
| 20:13.05 | putnopvut | It's one of them literal pitas |
| 20:13.10 | Qwell | quite |
| 20:13.21 | Qwell | but only 1/3rd of the time. other times it's just a pain in the arm/leg. |
| 20:14.27 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: so the boxes are WAY too small. ;-) |
| 20:15.35 | Corydon76-dig | Mine are just PITH and PITS... when I forget to take them |
| 20:15.45 | Corydon76-dig | (head), (stomach) |
| 20:22.36 | philipp64|laptop | seriously, when could 11688 get slipped in? I'm trying to prioritize effort, and not work on a fool's errand. |
| 20:23.03 | philipp64|laptop | if it won't go into 1.8 then there's no point in my coming up with a test plan for it any time soon. |
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| 20:26.28 | philipp64|laptop | ok, well, I ask a reasonable question and can't get a serious answer... but I'm the one who's the source of the trouble. funny how that happens. |
| 20:27.22 | philipp64|laptop | lesson learned: trying to be professional and accommodating wins me nothing. |
| 20:27.31 | russellb | omg it has been 4 minutes |
| 20:27.40 | russellb | FFS I do other work, too |
| 20:27.51 | philipp64|laptop | right. but the smart ass answer comes back in a matter of seconds. |
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| 20:29.54 | Corydon76-dig | Shit gets committed when it's ready. The longer it takes for you to come up with a test plan, the longer it will be until it goes in |
| 20:30.30 | Corydon76-dig | We've already said the branch happens on Friday. Get your ass in gear or fucking forget it |
| 20:32.49 | russellb | hands Corydon76-dig some more meds |
| 20:33.00 | malcolmd | hands out chill pills to half the room. Settle down peoples. |
| 20:33.33 | russellb | i'm calm now ... /ignore helps |
| 20:34.33 | Corydon76-dig | I have been tempted to use /ignore, but there are enough people who are already ignoring him that I'm likely one of the last people who will see anything he says |
| 20:35.26 | Corydon76-dig | And on the off chance that he says something important (rare, I know)... |
| 20:41.52 | Corydon76-dig | I'm done. Malcolm, you can deal with him now |
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| 20:53.45 | Kobaz | licks russellb |
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| 21:03.08 | Kobaz | philipp64|laptop: you could have posted your question to the list without the fluff |
| 21:04.09 | philipp64|laptop | I could have. then again, we all could have acted differently. chalk it up to the pressure of a deadline 48 hours away. |
| 21:05.13 | malcolmd | no worries, we're good. |
| 21:05.58 | philipp64|laptop | so... is there a cut-list criteria sheet, or is it done on a case-by-case basis? |
| 21:06.16 | Kobaz | it looks like it's case by case... as most everything else |
| 21:06.19 | philipp64|laptop | just trying to understand and work within your processes. |
| 21:06.28 | philipp64|laptop | ok. I don't know how big Digium is. |
| 21:06.49 | philipp64|laptop | At France Telecom, Cisco Systems, and Microsoft there was process for everything. ESPECIALLY for cut-lists. |
| 21:07.04 | philipp64|laptop | you're blessed to not be that process-heavy. |
| 21:07.07 | Kobaz | heh |
| 21:07.10 | malcolmd | philipp64|laptop: thanks for your understanding. |
| 21:07.11 | Kobaz | digium isn't cisco |
| 21:07.42 | philipp64|laptop | Kobaz: that's mostly good. my stock value hasn't budged in 6 years. :-( |
| 21:08.03 | Kobaz | i've been slowly dumping my stocks |
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| 21:08.11 | Kobaz | as soon as i see a +... it's sold |
| 21:08.17 | philipp64|laptop | not that Cisco didn't have some good points... or I wouldn't have stayed 5 years. |
| 21:08.30 | Kobaz | overall i'm down about 55% |
| 21:08.31 | philipp64|laptop | (well maybe I would have... I could be a masochist. :-) ) |
| 21:08.58 | philipp64|laptop | $44 when I started, and $11.5 when I left. |
| 21:09.00 | philipp64|laptop | ouch. |
| 21:09.15 | Kobaz | although, it's not as bad as it used to be... because that's 55% of the stuff i haven't sold yet... everything else i've actually either did a break even, or made a few bucks |
| 21:09.24 | philipp64|laptop | so accepting that 11688 isn't of general enough interest to risk tossing it in this late in the game... |
| 21:09.41 | philipp64|laptop | when is the next window of opportunity? |
| 21:09.46 | Kobaz | philipp64|laptop: i think that would be a most likly correct guess |
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| 21:10.24 | pabelanger | philipp64: put it on reviewboard, if not already |
| 21:10.45 | malcolmd | if it doesn't happen, then the next opportunity would be the code-base following onto 1.8, which would presumably be a 1.10 release, but nothing's in stone at this point. |
| 21:11.21 | philipp64|laptop | is it technically a "fix" or a "feature"? |
| 21:11.30 | malcolmd | well, nothing except for that if it didn't make 1.8 then it wouldn't be later added to 1.8 - new feature to a released LTS version wouldn't be prudent, no? |
| 21:11.32 | philipp64|laptop | because BLF works on some devices but not others... |
| 21:12.31 | philipp64|laptop | I've been thinking of it as a fix, but it occurs to me that maybe no one else does. |
| 21:12.39 | malcolmd | but that issue is talking about SLA via Broadsoft's SIP extensions, not BLF keys, no? |
| 21:13.07 | malcolmd | BLF works for everything (except for Cisco SIP 79XX phones) that I'm aware of. |
| 21:14.13 | philipp64|laptop | I might be confused: I thought that the BLF lights didn't work on SPA-94x devices and that SLA needed BLF functionality to show the trunk state. |
| 21:15.52 | malcolmd | i don't have any SPA-94x devices, so i can't say for sure, but BLF operates as expected on polycoms, snoms, and gramdstreams (items sitting on my desk). |
| 21:16.20 | Kobaz | grandstream... ugh |
| 21:16.30 | malcolmd | what doesn't work is setting any of those line keys to the shared line state and trying to seize someone else's ringing line, which is what the broadsoft sip extensions are supposed to help with |
| 21:16.32 | Kobaz | heh... are they ever going to get their audio quality up to par? |
| 21:16.36 | philipp64|laptop | right... which is why it seemed to me that it was a fix... i.e. leveling the playing field and making the SPA-94x's behave in the same sane way that everything else does. |
| 21:17.15 | philipp64|laptop | malcolmd: ok, thanks for the explanation. that makes much more sense. :-) |
| 21:18.05 | malcolmd | it seems to me that implementing support for the broadsoft sip extensions for the purposes of shared lines is a new feature. if the spa-94x for some reason doesn't do blf, exclusive of shared line, as all of the other vendors phones do, and it requires the broadsoft sip extensions, then i'd look on that as a feature, not a bug fix. *shrug* |
| 21:18.51 | malcolmd | as an aside, i'd personally love to see this feature, i just don't know if it'll happen or not for 1.8 |
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| 21:21.04 | leifmadsen | yes, that is a feature, not a bug fix |
| 21:21.27 | leifmadsen | if it is not a self-enclosed module, then it can't go into a branched release. It can only go into trunk. |
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| 21:36.40 | philipp64|laptop | leifmadsen: ok, that's what I wanted to know. |
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| 22:07.37 | marv | If the branch date for 1.8 is really friday, you might want to make an official announcement instead of Phillip's email. |
| 22:08.22 | Corydon76-dig | marv: It's not official, but we've told people that it's coming |
| 22:08.53 | marv | yeah last i had heard was after the ipv6 stuff was merged, and it looks like it's merged |
| 22:09.07 | Corydon76-dig | Right, so anytime now... |
| 22:09.45 | Corydon76-dig | So if that hasn't lit a fire under anyone's ass, then very little will |
| 22:10.09 | Corydon76-dig | 'official' announcement or no |
| 22:10.28 | Corydon76-dig | We'll announce it after it's done |
| 22:10.52 | Corydon76-dig | Because the first beta goes out shortly thereafter |
| 22:11.35 | marv | yeah |
| 22:11.51 | marv | anyway, heading home |
| 22:11.57 | Corydon76-dig | Later |
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