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| 10:24.22 | snuff-home | morning kp |
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| 11:10.37 | kpfleming | yes, it is morning, on sunday of a holiday weekend even |
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| 16:10.36 | tzafrir_laptop | M16784 |
| 16:10.38 | MuffinMan | [ready for testing] [Asterisk] Core/General 0016784: [patch] 99.9 cpu when asterisk started with init.d script reported by pabelanger https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=16784 |
| 16:11.28 | tzafrir_laptop | So, Asterisk has a problem if the console disappears. Shouldn't there be the same problem on OSX with launchd? |
| 17:05.04 | Corydon76-dig | tzafrir_laptop: Nope |
| 17:06.10 | tzafrir_laptop | My main motivation is: what would happen if Asterisk is used with upstart (or systemd) |
| 17:06.39 | tzafrir_laptop | in both cases it should not fork. But having the console is pointless |
| 17:06.44 | Corydon76-dig | I give up. What's the answer? |
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| 17:31.57 | Corydon76-dig | tzafrir_laptop: Actually, I wonder why Debian isn't adopting launchd |
| 17:32.17 | tzafrir_laptop | Corydon76-dig, why should it? |
| 17:32.28 | Corydon76-dig | Because it solves a lot of problems |
| 17:32.36 | tzafrir_laptop | And anyway, look into the recent debates regarding systemd |
| 17:32.59 | Corydon76-dig | http://launchd.macosforge.org/ |
| 17:33.29 | tzafrir_laptop | Debian won't adopt either Upstart or Systemd at this stage (a bit before freeze) |
| 17:33.42 | tzafrir_laptop | "adopt" as in: make default boot system |
| 17:34.15 | tzafrir_laptop | You can install upstart, init-ng and some others. IIRC systemd is in Unstable already |
| 17:34.38 | Corydon76-dig | Aha... I think I see why launchd doesn't have a problem, but start-stop-daemon does |
| 17:34.43 | tzafrir_laptop | But making it work well for all the packages in the archive is tough |
| 17:35.20 | Corydon76-dig | launchd opens stdin as rdonly, and stdout and stderr and wronly. start-stop-daemon opens all 3 as rdwr |
| 17:36.32 | tzafrir_laptop | One obvious answer is that I don't see support in launchd for using data from existing init.d scripts |
| 17:36.38 | tzafrir_laptop | (e.g.: LSB headers) |
| 17:36.58 | tzafrir_laptop | This would make migration a pain, as you need to convert a host of packages |
| 17:37.07 | Corydon76-dig | tzafrir_laptop: Correct. It's a complete replacement for init scripts |
| 17:37.16 | tzafrir_laptop | Unlike upstart and systemd |
| 17:37.26 | Corydon76-dig | It's also a replacement for cron |
| 17:37.36 | Corydon76-dig | and a replacement for inetd |
| 17:38.26 | tzafrir_laptop | http://www.netsplit.com/2010/05/27/dependency-based-event-based-init-daemons-and-launchd/ - from the author of Upstart |
| 17:38.52 | Corydon76-dig | Yeah, not having to be compliant with old, outdated methodologies means that it's free to manage processes more efficiently |
| 17:39.20 | tzafrir_laptop | And the obligatory "The blog post" about systemd: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html |
| 17:40.33 | tzafrir_laptop | But if you also want to have a chance of supporting upgrades, not supporting old init scripts is a problem |
| 17:41.27 | tzafrir_laptop | And anyway, now that systemd was written, I'm not sure there's any major clear atvantage of launchd over it |
| 17:44.14 | Corydon76-dig | Yeah, that looks like a good way to go |
| 17:44.44 | Corydon76-dig | But does systemd interfere with a process's stdin/stdout/stderr? |
| 17:45.01 | tzafrir_laptop | Both systemd and upstart |
| 17:45.55 | tzafrir_laptop | systemd also uses a nice option of 'cgroups' to be able to track children even if they forked |
| 17:48.39 | tzafrir_laptop | Corydon76-dig, oh, and there was another issue with launchd: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00062.html |
| 17:49.56 | Corydon76-dig | tzafrir_laptop: that could well become a moot point, once SCOTUS releases it's current term opinions |
| 17:50.14 | Corydon76-dig | software patents could become a thing of the past |
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