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| 00:06.55 | tzafrir_laptop | russellb, btw: just use dummy-select |
| 00:07.02 | tzafrir_laptop | it just works |
| 00:07.37 | tzafrir_laptop | (for having a real config file, rather than the half-generated mess that is menuselect.makeopts) |
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| 01:21.24 | Netgeeks | I know it's probably been there a while, but it's been a while for me working with a complex dialplan that would require it but, Kudos on the mutex features! love em |
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| 13:14.48 | snuff-home | mornin kp |
| 13:17.55 | snuff-home | goes for zz's.. postgres also works for my HR CDR.. |
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| 15:00.32 | Kobaz | is there anyone here who'se really really good with libpri |
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| 15:27.40 | seanbright | Kobaz: the libpri guys aren't here often/at all. |
| 15:27.57 | seanbright | there are only 2 guys i would say were "really really good with libpri" |
| 15:28.02 | seanbright | mattf and rmudgett |
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| 15:29.37 | Kobaz | k |
| 15:29.47 | Kobaz | i'll put a bounty up to fix a libpri crash |
| 15:30.58 | Kobaz | what's a good way to get those guys attention... i'm not on any of the mailing list(s) |
| 15:31.25 | russellb | perhaps you should be :-) |
| 15:31.31 | russellb | but both of them are very busy. |
| 15:31.32 | Kobaz | yeah, my next question was which one |
| 15:31.37 | russellb | asterisk-dev |
| 15:31.38 | Kobaz | if there are more than one |
| 15:31.39 | Kobaz | k |
| 15:31.49 | russellb | the best thing to do is file a bug report |
| 15:31.54 | Kobaz | yeah, i have one open |
| 15:31.57 | russellb | but there is no telling when someone will get to it |
| 15:32.15 | Kobaz | who do i have to pay for someone to get to it :P |
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| 15:32.43 | russellb | you could pay me, but I can't guarantee that will do anything :-) |
| 15:32.46 | Kobaz | heh |
| 15:33.26 | Kobaz | what i need is more debugging to see if i can try and get something reproducable |
| 15:33.47 | Kobaz | right now it's like... "i'll crash when i damn well feel like it" |
| 15:33.55 | Kobaz | and it's always at the worst possible time |
| 15:34.30 | Kobaz | i was thinking of putting in a quick hack |
| 15:34.40 | Kobaz | it always crashes with this one pointer being 0x4 |
| 15:35.05 | Kobaz | f = 0x4 f->next sort of thing |
| 15:35.22 | Kobaz | so if i just do f < 10... and return... maybe it won't crash? heh |
| 15:39.37 | Kobaz | ouch, i just crashed the box with ael reload |
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| 16:05.31 | seanbright | it be friday |
| 16:05.39 | russellb | hellz yeah |
| 16:05.44 | Kobaz | stupid rain |
| 16:05.48 | Kobaz | yesterday was great skiing |
| 16:05.53 | Kobaz | it's probably gonna be all deaded now |
| 16:06.02 | Kobaz | 8 days of rain on the prediction |
| 16:06.11 | seanbright | where are you? |
| 16:06.33 | Kobaz | central pa |
| 16:06.48 | kpfleming | is digium jabber dead this morning? it appears unhappy for me |
| 16:06.52 | seanbright | ah right. |
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| 16:07.06 | Kobaz | this is what happened last year |
| 16:07.10 | russellb | kpfleming: i'm on |
| 16:07.10 | seanbright | when does the table game law go into effect? |
| 16:07.20 | seanbright | lucky bastards |
| 16:07.28 | Kobaz | perfect weather for weeks, and then the weather decided "no more snow for you", and rained for a week |
| 16:07.39 | seanbright | <-- in baltimore |
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| 16:12.19 | seanbright | good talk |
| 16:14.26 | Kobaz | yeap |
| 16:14.59 | Kobaz | almost good weather for climbing... as soon as the rain stops, and my finger finishes getting better |
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| 16:15.39 | russellb | I used to go climbing, but haven't been in a few years |
| 16:16.18 | seanbright | do we have a function that will sprintf to the stack? |
| 16:16.20 | russellb | would love to do go and just do some light top rope climbing around here sometime ... |
| 16:16.33 | russellb | seanbright: ast_str_set() on an ast_str allocated with ast_str_alloca() |
| 16:16.34 | seanbright | char *x = ast_something("%s-%d\n", y, z); |
| 16:16.35 | Kobaz | i wanna get out to yosemite again this year |
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| 16:17.02 | kpfleming | seanbright: as russellb says, you can use an ast_str(), but if it's on the stack it can't grow |
| 16:17.13 | seanbright | yeah, i'm OK with that. |
| 16:17.23 | seanbright | except that's not going to work for me anyway. |
| 16:17.30 | seanbright | will figure something out. |
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| 16:39.08 | seanbright | should we create YAMM for the bamboo stuff? |
| 16:39.12 | seanbright | err |
| 16:39.14 | seanbright | YAML |
| 16:40.12 | Corydon76-dig | I do not like them, yam I am |
| 16:40.58 | seanbright | i'm just not convinced that the bamboo build messages are relevant to the asterisk-dev community at large |
| 16:41.18 | kpfleming | we could easily create another mailing list |
| 16:41.28 | Corydon76-dig | seanbright: they should be all developers, shouldn't they? |
| 16:41.47 | Corydon76-dig | kpfleming: or just move them to the asterisk-commits list |
| 16:41.52 | seanbright | sure, but they are not |
| 16:42.10 | Corydon76-dig | seanbright: then that's their fault for being on the wrong list |
| 16:42.33 | seanbright | they also may not be core developers |
| 16:42.42 | seanbright | or, frankly, give a crap |
| 16:43.07 | russellb | they do have a specified From: address, and a subject prefix |
| 16:43.08 | Corydon76-dig | seanbright: All core developers care about breaking the build |
| 16:43.09 | russellb | easy to filter |
| 16:43.09 | kpfleming | then they can easily filter them to /dev/null |
| 16:43.13 | seanbright | anyway, not in the mood to argue it, just think it's a little noisy |
| 16:43.17 | russellb | anyone that cares that much can unsubscribe for all i care |
| 16:43.45 | Corydon76-dig | and if they're a core developer who doesn't care about breaking the build, they won't be a core developer for long |
| 16:43.53 | russellb | I think the awareness of automated testing is worth it. I also like the shame factor involved when someone breaks something :-p |
| 16:44.02 | seanbright | Corydon76-dig: right. i just said "they also may *not* be core developers" (emphasis added) |
| 16:44.50 | Corydon76-dig | seanbright: you also added the 'or' to the 'don't give a crap' |
| 16:45.09 | seanbright | imagine that, a conversation with you that quickly grows painful |
| 16:45.16 | seanbright | must be a day ending with 'y' |
| 16:45.27 | kpfleming | snickers |
| 16:45.34 | russellb | burn. |
| 16:45.38 | Corydon76-dig | Or that I don't turn off pedantic mode, ever. :-P |
| 16:46.00 | russellb | anyway, sorry for breaking bamboo and inspiring this conversation, heh |
| 16:46.07 | russellb | progress can be painful. |
| 16:47.32 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: given that we ask people on the lists not to post in HTML, however, it would be nice if the bamboo notices were in plain text format |
| 16:47.58 | russellb | agreed that it would be nice |
| 16:48.05 | russellb | no knob to tweak for it, though. |
| 16:48.19 | seanbright | there is a text/plain version |
| 16:48.39 | seanbright | or thunderbird is generating a snazzy one |
| 16:48.51 | russellb | yeah, thunderbird is converting to plain text for me |
| 16:49.19 | seanbright | no |
| 16:49.27 | russellb | no? |
| 16:49.27 | seanbright | it has a text/plain mime part |
| 16:49.31 | Corydon76-dig | KMail doesn't do that... and it's arguably dangerous |
| 16:49.39 | russellb | oh, neat. |
| 16:50.52 | Corydon76-dig | Ah, I see why KMail doesn't detect that... there are two plain text portions, and the first is content length 0 |
| 16:52.02 | Corydon76-dig | UTF-8 portion is blank... us-ascii portion has the content |
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| 17:29.50 | Kobaz | this dialplan testing is getting really crazy |
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| 18:24.40 | leifmadsen | Kobaz: oh? |
| 18:25.45 | Kobaz | hi |
| 18:25.46 | Kobaz | heh |
| 18:26.04 | Kobaz | i have so many parallel streams of execution it's not even funny |
| 18:26.20 | Kobaz | i came up with a new idea on how to serialize everything, make stuff a little easier to work with |
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| 18:39.36 | Kobaz | leifmadsen: basically, i have like, a driver that controls the various test calls, and it gets events to make sure everything is progressing properly |
| 18:40.08 | Kobaz | and there's also file and db checks and a bunch of other stuff |
| 18:43.50 | leifmadsen | nice -- I'd really love to see that work merged into the testsuite ... |
| 18:44.07 | russellb | yesssss |
| 18:44.51 | russellb | Kobaz: have you seen any of the testing stuff being worked on? |
| 18:45.11 | russellb | we have been adopting automated testing along with continuous integration - http://bamboo.asterisk.org |
| 18:45.35 | russellb | in short, monitoring svn for changes, and running automated tests on every change |
| 18:46.19 | russellb | actually ... http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-dev/2010-February/042387.html |
| 18:46.37 | Kobaz | nice |
| 18:46.39 | Kobaz | very nice |
| 18:47.00 | Kobaz | leifmadsen: hehe, i think it's going to be part of our asterisk development platform we'll eventually wind up having as a product |
| 18:47.13 | russellb | but but but but |
| 18:47.15 | Kobaz | leifmadsen: but i'll gladly contribute ideas and methodolgies |
| 18:47.45 | Kobaz | leifmadsen: i mentioned earlier in the week i can draw you some diagrams and stuff |
| 18:47.54 | leifmadsen | Kobaz: well that'd certainly be useful |
| 18:48.30 | leifmadsen | Kobaz: it'd give me a chance to have some tests to build around the same ideas you've already implemented at all |
| 18:49.35 | Kobaz | i haven't implemented many core asterisk tests but i have boatloads of custom tests that cover my apps |
| 18:49.57 | Kobaz | bamboo looks really sweet |
| 18:50.08 | russellb | it's hot |
| 18:50.32 | russellb | i'm still working on getting lots of different operating systems and such integrated |
| 18:50.41 | russellb | and the external test suite is still brand new (still only 1 test in there ...) |
| 18:50.47 | russellb | but we're off to a great start |
| 18:51.20 | Kobaz | For unit testing, we have a new API in Asterisk trunk for writing unit |
| 18:51.21 | Kobaz | tests within the code. We're up to 20 unit tests. |
| 18:51.22 | Kobaz | hehe |
| 18:51.29 | russellb | that's the internal tests |
| 18:51.31 | Kobaz | it takes soooooo long to write good unit tests |
| 18:51.33 | russellb | we have like 27 now or something |
| 18:51.49 | russellb | indeed |
| 18:51.59 | russellb | we just make sure to allocate time for them when planning our development |
| 18:52.04 | Kobaz | it makes you not want to add features |
| 18:52.14 | Kobaz | because every line added makes like 50 lines of test code |
| 18:52.25 | russellb | "this will take 2 hours" ... "are you sure? did you account for time to write a test?" ... "hmmm ... okay, make that 3 days" |
| 18:53.10 | seanbright | you write unit tests first |
| 18:53.13 | seanbright | duh |
| 18:53.16 | russellb | TDD! |
| 18:53.55 | Kobaz | a place i used to work for would have all kinds of 'small' items marked with 1 or 2 hour estimates |
| 18:54.19 | Kobaz | and that estimate is supposed to include the entire lifecycle of the work... from development, to testing, to qa, to release management |
| 18:54.32 | russellb | nods |
| 18:54.39 | Kobaz | so if you wanted to actually meet the estimate... that really means about 5 minutes of coding |
| 18:54.52 | russellb | or just remove QA |
| 18:55.05 | russellb | and maybe remove testing, too ... even the "make" test is optional! |
| 18:55.15 | Kobaz | i would get yelled at all the time for taking 8 hours on a 1 hour item.. just because it was a 'tiny little request' that needed a rewrite of an entire subsystem |
| 18:56.02 | leifmadsen | "poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine" |
| 18:56.06 | Kobaz | haha, exactly |
| 18:56.08 | Kobaz | i love that phrase |
| 18:56.11 | leifmadsen | me too :) |
| 18:56.19 | leifmadsen | I need to get that as a bumper sticker for my office |
| 18:56.37 | leifmadsen | ok, meeting time! |
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| 19:18.12 | philipp64 | tzafrir: if you're still around... could we make the Dahdi stuff try to cache the firmware files on a build so that multiple builds only do a single download? |
| 19:29.49 | ebroad | kpfleming, good afternoon |
| 19:30.32 | kpfleming | hi |
| 19:44.00 | ebroad | any luck with res_fax? |
| 19:45.35 | kpfleming | i found a bug, but it was not your issue |
| 19:45.56 | kpfleming | i did not spend any more time trying to track down why chan_sip is responding to the reinvite so quickly |
| 19:48.01 | ebroad | ok |
| 19:48.39 | ebroad | thanks for the help though |
| 19:48.47 | ebroad | ill take a stab at it over the weekend |
| 19:49.38 | kpfleming | but i would still question the validity of zoiper sending the reinvite so quickly after the call is answered... it should really wait until it has determined that a FAX machine has answered, or even better, not do it at all and let the receiver do it when it is ready |
| 19:50.26 | ebroad | thats true |
| 19:50.37 | ebroad | i do have a hard fax hooked to an spa-2102 at home |
| 19:50.42 | ebroad | ill do some testing with that |
| 19:51.18 | ebroad | its worked well in the past |
| 19:51.40 | kpfleming | there should be some sort of configuration option to make it just wait until the receiver reinvites to T.38 |
| 19:54.44 | ebroad | the spa-2102 has an option like that |
| 19:55.05 | ebroad | fax passthrough: reinvite or nse |
| 19:55.06 | kpfleming | yes, we test with those here, among other ATAs |
| 19:55.25 | kpfleming | no, that's a different thing. NSE is a different kind of FAX protocol, defined by Cisco |
| 19:55.30 | ebroad | ah |
| 19:55.41 | ebroad | thanx for the clarification |
| 19:56.19 | ebroad | the interesting thing is that zoiper works with app_fax |
| 19:56.39 | ebroad | the question is, should res_fax handle unfriendly ua's as well |
| 19:57.06 | Qwell | All UAs are unfriendly when it comes to T.38. |
| 19:57.08 | kpfleming | it if works with app_fax, it's just a race condition that happens to work. it's not because of a design difference |
| 19:58.43 | ebroad | ok |
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| 20:46.07 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 20:46.33 | Kobaz | it looks like softhangup (or hangup) behavior changed from 1.6.0.19 to 1.6.0.20-22ish |
| 20:46.47 | Kobaz | in .19 if you hung up a local channel, it hangs up the channels it spawned too |
| 20:47.00 | Kobaz | after that, if you hang up the local channel, it only hangs up the local channel, and not the spawned channels |
| 20:47.15 | Kobaz | which is the proper behavior? |
| 22:12.25 | Kobaz | it seems like there's a bug/limitation in SoftHangup().... if you do SoftHangup(SIP/foo,a) it will hang up all channels on SIP/foo (which is fine)... if you do SoftHangup(SIP/foo-0000234,a). no channels will be hung up |
| 22:29.08 | tzafrir | philipp64, back. Aren't dahdi firmware downloads cached? |
| 22:29.20 | tzafrir | (unless you clean the build directory) |
| 22:29.40 | kpfleming | that's his issue... he does a distclean between builds, changing parameters for the build |
| 22:34.02 | philipp64 | right. so having a "look-aside" place to keep them... like I did in 15370... but for the firmware would be excellent. |