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| 02:41.36 | kazaa_lite | hi all.... i did ./bootstrap, ./configure, make on 64bit fedora.....but asterisk is linking against libraries in /usr/lib and not on /lib64:( |
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| 02:43.15 | kazaa_lite | Corydon76-dig: there? |
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| 03:19.23 | Corydon76-dig | kazaa_lite: Nope |
| 03:19.33 | kazaa_lite | hehehe |
| 03:19.38 | kazaa_lite | help me again:D |
| 03:19.48 | Corydon76-dig | I'm cooking a turkey |
| 03:20.08 | kazaa_lite | wow.....so all setup for long weekend? |
| 03:20.16 | kazaa_lite | but i thing my questions is fairly simple |
| 03:20.27 | kazaa_lite | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.52 | kazaa_lite | what am i missing? |
| 03:20.56 | Corydon76-dig | Uninstall Fedora and install Ubuntu |
| 03:21.23 | Corydon76-dig | Seriously. Nobody here wants to use Fedora. |
| 03:21.52 | Corydon76-dig | or buy Red Hat support |
| 03:22.04 | kazaa_lite | hehehe......i agree......fedora is to be hated which has lifecycle of just 13 months.....ABIs change..... |
| 03:22.12 | Qwell | or yell at them about using lib64 |
| 03:22.17 | Qwell | mutters |
| 03:22.29 | Corydon76-dig | Fedora is Red Hat's way of pushing people into buying support |
| 03:22.51 | kazaa_lite | but that is the only real hardware I have to test my things on real hardware:'( |
| 03:23.00 | kazaa_lite | why dont people opt for CentOS |
| 03:23.16 | kazaa_lite | i feel CentOS is very very decent |
| 03:23.27 | kazaa_lite | and has lifecycle of 7 years |
| 03:24.05 | Corydon76-dig | We generally don't mind Centos, except when they make a boneheaded decision... like allowing 32-bit libraries to fulfill rpm dependencies for 64-bit apps |
| 03:25.00 | kazaa_lite | very true |
| 03:25.12 | kazaa_lite | oka.... i tried to set ASTLDFLAGS to point to /lib64 |
| 03:25.19 | kazaa_lite | but it is not getting it |
| 03:25.29 | kazaa_lite | do I need to set something else as well |
| 03:25.48 | kazaa_lite | since in Makefile of Asterisk, this is the only thing I thought to modify |
| 03:26.14 | Corydon76-dig | No idea |
| 03:26.18 | kazaa_lite | like on Fedora12, everything goes fine, but its on virtual machine. On real 64-bit hardware I have Fed8:'( |
| 03:26.37 | Corydon76-dig | You're asking a build question about Fedora, and we simply aren't interested in that. |
| 03:26.58 | Corydon76-dig | We're Asterisk developers, not Fedora developers. Go ask in #fedora |
| 03:27.00 | kazaa_lite | ahhh.....by the way do you have any idea what percentage of ppl uses 32 bit and what uses 64bit for asterisk? |
| 03:27.13 | Corydon76-dig | Nope. There's no way for us to know |
| 03:27.36 | kazaa_lite | and how can i get job at asterisk?:p or digium?:P |
| 03:28.07 | kazaa_lite | do i need to do something silly with asterisk to get hired?:P |
| 03:28.33 | Corydon76-dig | Either contribute a ton of fixes and new features over the next 5 years, or be a graduate in CS from a school where you're friends with another Asterisk developer |
| 03:29.33 | kazaa_lite | so having CS degree, some experience in software development and development with Asterisk is all that I need? |
| 03:30.08 | kazaa_lite | good. Cya at digium then:p |
| 03:30.31 | Corydon76-dig | CS degree isn't required |
| 03:30.39 | Corydon76-dig | has no degree |
| 03:30.57 | kazaa_lite | i see |
| 03:30.57 | Corydon76-dig | I don't believe Qwell has a degree, either |
| 03:31.06 | Qwell | no he doesn't |
| 03:31.13 | kazaa_lite | who is Qwell? |
| 03:31.24 | Corydon76-dig | Another developer |
| 03:31.27 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: lots of people don't, actually |
| 03:31.38 | Qwell | well, several |
| 03:31.46 | kazaa_lite | funny.... look at this link and read specs for Hardware Design Engineer: http://www.digium.com/en/company/careers/ |
| 03:31.49 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: I think less than half |
| 03:32.02 | Qwell | these days it's probably more |
| 03:32.03 | kazaa_lite | This duties of this position:P |
| 03:32.07 | Corydon76-dig | but that's still a sizeable number |
| 03:32.16 | Qwell | oh, less than half don't. yeah |
| 03:32.56 | Qwell | Marko has one, but it an advocate of dropping out :p |
| 03:33.01 | Qwell | s/it/is/ |
| 03:33.12 | kazaa_lite | hehehe |
| 03:33.49 | Corydon76-dig | It really depends on whether you have a passion for programming or not |
| 03:33.50 | kazaa_lite | and how does other companies do.. like microsoft etc? are they also not much concerned about degrees? |
| 03:34.12 | kazaa_lite | well i can work for flat 10-12 hours for months:D |
| 03:34.22 | Corydon76-dig | If you don't have the passion, you should go ahead and get the degree, because you'll need it to get an unsatisfying job |
| 03:34.42 | kazaa_lite | in how many countries digium has its offices? |
| 03:34.56 | Corydon76-dig | Only 1 country. Two offices, AFAIK |
| 03:35.10 | Corydon76-dig | unless you count the 1-person offices |
| 03:35.13 | Qwell | I think there's technically 1 in EU somewhere |
| 03:35.37 | kazaa_lite | damn..... how will i reach at digium then?:'( I would need visa:'( |
| 03:35.51 | kazaa_lite | will |
| 03:35.56 | Corydon76-dig | We have foreign contractors |
| 03:36.11 | Corydon76-dig | They're paid in dollars, though |
| 03:36.28 | kazaa_lite | how big is the core engineering force of digium? excluding open source contributors |
| 03:36.38 | kazaa_lite | 100 developers? |
| 03:36.52 | Qwell | blinks |
| 03:36.55 | kazaa_lite | or even less? |
| 03:36.57 | file | wouldn't that be nice... |
| 03:36.58 | snuff-work | lol @ 100 |
| 03:37.09 | kazaa_lite | 50? |
| 03:37.12 | Qwell | file: I dunno about that |
| 03:37.16 | kazaa_lite | 25? |
| 03:37.20 | kazaa_lite | 12.5?:p |
| 03:37.21 | Qwell | file: look at some of your friends at Big Company |
| 03:37.26 | Corydon76-dig | If we had 100, I'd probably get to be a department head or something |
| 03:37.29 | Qwell | kazaa_lite: 12.5 is nearly accurate |
| 03:37.32 | file | Qwell: we'd lose the spirit of swdev, that's true |
| 03:37.52 | Qwell | and that's kinda the reason I work there |
| 03:37.57 | kazaa_lite | well some companies have in thousands.... |
| 03:38.02 | kazaa_lite | and some have very few |
| 03:38.30 | kazaa_lite | so should I assume there are somewhere ~30 developers at digium? |
| 03:38.30 | Corydon76-dig | The ability of every person on the dev team to know everybody else is very helpful |
| 03:41.34 | kazaa_lite | yeah....but it all depends....if you can make hell of money by even having a very small team then the place becomes very very exciting to work |
| 03:42.02 | Corydon76-dig | If you're looking to retire young, Digium is probably not the place to be |
| 03:42.02 | Qwell | it's not about the money to (I would bet) any of us |
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| 03:42.38 | snuff-work | anyone tried my piecemeal memcache module? |
| 03:42.39 | Corydon76-dig | nyet |
| 03:42.39 | snuff-work | i need to implement something like u have done for ODBC.. aka multikey get |
| 03:42.40 | Corydon76-dig | Why not just use what I wrote? |
| 03:43.19 | kazaa_lite | there is alot more energy in the environment when u are a small team and doing very well |
| 03:44.26 | Corydon76-dig | Marko could probably retire young, but I fully expect him to still be working at Digium in his 50s |
| 03:44.47 | kazaa_lite | hehehe |
| 03:45.14 | Corydon76-dig | Ditto for me |
| 03:45.21 | kazaa_lite | and how is environment? everyone is frank and jolly? |
| 03:45.34 | Corydon76-dig | Well, not the retiring young part, but the working at Digium in my 50s |
| 03:45.53 | kazaa_lite | hehehe |
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| 11:14.25 | jozza | hi, why do i get segmentation falt if i set a breakpoint in a module? |
| 11:14.43 | jozza | fault |
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| 12:10.28 | mvanbaak | jozza: almost everyone has a 4 day holiday weekend |
| 12:10.48 | jozza | ok |
| 12:11.01 | jozza | so i should come back in 4 days? |
| 12:11.07 | jozza | thats monday? |
| 12:12.46 | jozza | what is it? thanksgiving? |
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| 12:57.09 | kaii | i wish those silly europeans would celebrate thanksgiving too |
| 12:57.14 | kaii | ;) |
| 13:10.03 | mvanbaak | I wish ppl would stop wasting time with silly holidays and get some work done! |
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| 13:10.41 | kaii | that goes too far.. |
| 13:10.50 | kaii | holidays are at least not silly! |
| 13:11.30 | mvanbaak | the ones that get planned for you are |
| 13:11.45 | kaii | agreed |
| 13:11.52 | mvanbaak | like thanksgiving, christmas etc |
| 13:12.07 | mvanbaak | just gimme a bunch of holiday days and I'll plan them myself |
| 13:13.02 | mvanbaak | take christmas for example. Almost nobody is celebrating christmas because of the right reason. They just celebrate it because that's what we are supposed to do |
| 13:13.05 | mvanbaak | blegh. |
| 13:13.36 | mvanbaak | I always go to work with christmas. I'm very productive those days. no phone, no email, no distraction |
| 13:14.00 | Amorsen | What's the right reason? Slightly late for shortest day of the year? |
| 13:14.20 | Amorsen | (Other way round for antipodes, too) |
| 13:16.56 | mvanbaak | some christian thing |
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| 15:29.49 | tzafrir_laptop | The good thing about having Nick Lewis in a mailing list thread is that in order to re-create threading you have to actually read the messages in the thread |
| 15:32.50 | mvanbaak | ? |
| 15:33.06 | mvanbaak | his mails break threading in your client ? |
| 15:33.15 | kpfleming | yes |
| 15:33.15 | tzafrir_laptop | yes |
| 15:33.40 | mvanbaak | hhmm, I must have something magick in mutt then |
| 15:33.51 | tzafrir_laptop | I actually use mutt |
| 15:34.15 | mvanbaak | probably the stuff to fallback to the subject to do threading |
| 15:35.03 | tzafrir_laptop | That's when you get a '*>' message |
| 15:35.15 | mvanbaak | yup |
| 15:36.06 | mvanbaak | but it still puts it in the thread. maybe not at the correct indent level, did not check that |
| 15:37.20 | tzafrir_laptop | Normally people with bad mail clients overquote , so you can get the context |
| 15:38.14 | tzafrir_laptop | He doesn't overquote. But sadly he always ommits the name of the one to whom he replied |
| 15:40.06 | kpfleming | and adds a 25+ line useless signature in its placec |
| 15:41.26 | file | signatures that contain only the email address of the person who sent the email and no other contact information amuse me |
| 15:42.19 | kpfleming | that's in case you print out and FAX the email to someone |
| 15:42.41 | file | using T.38 between a Cisco and an ATA? |
| 15:48.24 | kpfleming | yep |
| 15:48.35 | kpfleming | with T38FaxMaxDatagram set to 24 |
| 15:49.43 | Amorsen | Actually the email address in the signature is dead useful if the mail passes through Outlook and gets forwarded... |
| 15:49.48 | Amorsen | Otherwise you lose the email address |
| 15:49.57 | kpfleming | Outlook is just awful |
| 15:50.03 | Amorsen | Absolutely |
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| 15:58.34 | kaii | here's the reply from nick lewis: |
| 15:58.38 | kaii | "Thanks for notifying me of the problem. I will raise it with our all powerful IT department." |
| 16:00.13 | leifmadsen | I sent that email over a month ago and got a similar response |
| 16:01.34 | kaii | best in his email: |
| 16:01.38 | kaii | "Was there a discussion about me on #asterisk-dev? - shucks my 15 mins of fame and I wasn't even aware of it ;-)" |
| 16:09.26 | kpfleming | btw, if any of you are thinking about supporting T.38 in your Asterisk networks, don't. just run as far away as you can. |
| 16:09.45 | kaii | i do |
| 16:09.54 | kaii | ( .. always run as fast as i can) |
| 16:10.18 | kpfleming | although with the next set of asterisk bugfix releases it should be in about as good a shape as it can be. |
| 16:11.59 | file | Asterisk T.38 Support - Working around other broken implementations one release at a time. |
| 16:13.41 | kpfleming | why do people post demanding and incomplete bug reports on asterisk-dev without even bothering to read the issues in mantis that are related? people not doing their own legwork really annoy me |
| 16:16.49 | jozza | hi, i'm gettins segmentation fault in ast if i set breakpoints in a module and then start it with gdb |
| 16:17.26 | jozza | if i set breakpoint after all has loaded, then it works ok |
| 16:20.20 | jozza | before everything is loaded, gdb complaints that it cant set breakpoints in module files with "no source file named xxx.c" |
| 16:20.49 | jozza | but it can in asterisk.c for example |
| 16:20.52 | kpfleming | that's because the module is not loaded yet |
| 16:20.58 | jozza | ok |
| 16:21.08 | jozza | but why segmentation faults then |
| 16:28.36 | kpfleming | no idea |
| 16:28.47 | kpfleming | you'd have to look at the backtrace and figure out what went wrong |
| 16:28.59 | kpfleming | i set module breakpoints all the time and it works fine for me |
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| 18:33.15 | tzanger | http://pastebin.ca/1688457 |
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