| 00:32.05 | Juggie | tzafrir_laptop, ya, and since the ISDN d channel is 16k as Corydon76 said, its not even possible |
| 00:32.52 | Juggie | on a pri all the channels including the d channel are 64k, so you can use nfas such that if you put 4 pri's together, you can setup one primary and one backup d channel, which will over the 4 pri's give you 2 extra channels. |
| 00:32.57 | Juggie | thats what nfas is for. |
| 00:33.23 | Qwell | Juggie: any idea the maximum number of PRIs in a single D? |
| 00:33.33 | Qwell | or, in an NFAS group that shares a D, I guess |
| 00:33.42 | Juggie | hmmmm.. good question, you would have to imagine at some point the 64k would be exhausted |
| 00:33.50 | Juggie | we have only done as high as 4. |
| 00:33.57 | Qwell | ahh |
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| 00:35.31 | Juggie | i dont imagine 8 would be possible |
| 00:41.55 | Juggie | A full NFAS configuration can then be described as 479B + D |
| 00:41.56 | Juggie | crazy |
| 00:42.13 | Juggie | wow way more then i imagined |
| 00:45.00 | Qwell | 20? |
| 00:45.27 | Qwell | (24*20)-1 |
| 00:47.03 | Juggie | A full NFAS configuration can then be described as 479B + D. There is one problem, now a failure on the T1 trunk carrying the D channel will also affect all 19 other trunks. The solution is D channel backup where a second D channel is configured on another trunk. In the event of failure the backup D channel takes over the signalling. So the final configuration is 478B + D + D-backup. |
| 00:54.35 | jsmith-korea | Yeah, assuming the telco can actually allocate 20 PRIs on the same NFAS group |
| 00:55.42 | tzanger | hmm |
| 00:55.49 | tzanger | any gurus here know the maximum length of an HDLC frame? |
| 00:56.00 | tzanger | (realistic length that Asterisk would ever see or generate) |
| 00:56.58 | Juggie | jsmith-korea, i'll try that setup when digium finishes their DS3 card :) |
| 00:58.00 | tzanger | I've set up DS3s before... I think the telco limited us to 6 PRIs |
| 00:58.06 | tzanger | ... per NFAS group |
| 00:58.20 | tzanger | actually all three telcos limited us to that, now that I think of it |
| 00:58.24 | Juggie | we have a DS3, we went w/ 4 per group. |
| 00:58.52 | Juggie | 28 doesnt work out when divided by 6 anyway so you have some left over |
| 00:59.20 | Juggie | 4 breaks in even, so 28/4=7 giving you 7 asterisk servers w/ a 4 pri nfas config |
| 00:59.22 | Juggie | which is what we have |
| 00:59.34 | tzanger | yeah this wasn't for asterisk, heh |
| 00:59.40 | jsmith-korea | Juggie: Yeah... as I understand it, it's a restriction on the telco side -- they have to have all the ports on the same line card, or something like that |
| 01:00.03 | Juggie | we are moving some big services to asterisk soon |
| 01:00.09 | tzanger | you're right... maybe it was 7 per NFAS group then... it's been quite a while |
| 01:00.26 | Juggie | no, i ment 4 per group, giving you 7 groups of 4. |
| 01:00.30 | jsmith-korea | NFAS is one of those things that's great in theory, but an absolute pain in the backside to implement well, and not worth the headache for a few extra channels. (The backup d-chan is nice, however) |
| 01:00.42 | tzanger | jsmith-korea: it was very helpful for us |
| 01:00.47 | Juggie | jsmith-korea, its 14 extra channels in pairings of 4. |
| 01:01.00 | tzanger | hell we configured AS5248s with NFAS just to get that 1 extra channel for dialup, because it meant 7 more customers |
| 01:01.13 | jsmith-korea | tzanger: I'm not saying it's not useful... it's just never been useful for me |
| 01:01.26 | Juggie | jsmith-korea, order in a DS3 and a demux then you'll see :) |
| 01:01.43 | tzanger | so none of you PRI gurus has a rule of thumb ofr maximum realistic HDLC frame length? |
| 01:01.46 | jsmith-korea | Juggie: I've ordered many DS3s before, and plenty of Widebank 28 muxes |
| 01:01.59 | Juggie | ok well, 14 extra is tons of reason |
| 01:02.01 | tzanger | Carrier Access M13 here... and we had it go down too |
| 01:02.07 | jsmith-korea | tzanger: I'm no PRI guru... I'm a PRI Private Second Class |
| 01:02.08 | Juggie | thats like 1400 extra people served per day |
| 01:02.35 | tzanger | it has a hot spare controller and a hot spare DS2 card... both controllers went tits-up leaving the enture ISP dead in the water |
| 01:02.45 | tzanger | and then to top it off, UPS lost the replacement controller card |
| 01:03.49 | snuff-work | tzanger: generally its carrying a payload aka encapsulating.. hdlc info seems to be about 64 bits or 8bytes |
| 01:03.56 | snuff-work | max |
| 01:04.26 | snuff-work | going only from my google search ;) |
| 01:04.43 | snuff-work | the payload can vary depending on what ur encapulation |
| 01:04.46 | snuff-work | *ing |
| 01:09.19 | tzanger | snuff-work: ? I'm seeing 40-64 *bytes* |
| 01:09.56 | snuff-work | goes away... for another source |
| 01:10.33 | tzanger | yeah I think I'm just gonna pick 64 and watch to see if anything bigger comes along |
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| 14:40.29 | file | hello there bweschke |
| 14:40.57 | bweschke | hey file |
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| 14:50.14 | Laureano | Hello |
| 14:52.52 | Juggie | tumblewheeds blow by |
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| 14:53.55 | ctooley | http://www.simplified.org/trac/wiki/InterruptCoalescenceTesting |
| 14:54.07 | ctooley | Anyone have any comments on things that should be added to this? |
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| 16:03.13 | ctooley | I've added "Asterisk Stress Testing" to the Simplified site. I'll update it with the results of the tests I'm working through now when I'm done. If anyone has any stress testing they'd like to see done, please feel free to post it on the "Externally Requested Asterisk Stress Tests" wiki page. |
| 16:03.56 | putnopvut | ctooley: you are an awesome person :) |
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| 16:16.08 | atis_work | ctooley: i just joined, but this is interesting. where did you wrote that? |
| 16:16.31 | ctooley | atis_work, simplified.org |
| 16:33.12 | russellb | help |
| 16:33.14 | russellb | oops. |
| 16:33.34 | outtolunc | i wanna help <G> |
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| 17:36.42 | ctooley | OK... well, I finally hit my first limit. |
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| 17:47.58 | jpeeler | should using hardware assisted d-channels ever degrade performance? specifically with respect to HDLC overruns |
| 17:51.09 | kpfleming | no, it should improve performance |
| 17:54.13 | russellb | I thought there was some case when it wasn't always helpful ... |
| 17:54.25 | russellb | like it increased the number of PCI transactions required or something |
| 17:54.32 | kpfleming | that could be |
| 17:54.38 | kpfleming | only matt f would know for sure |
| 17:54.42 | russellb | right |
| 17:54.49 | russellb | i'm speaking off of a vague memory of something he said a while ago, heh |
| 17:55.37 | ctooley | First test case of Asterisk ("out of box experience") is up on the Simplified wiki. |
| 17:56.47 | jpeeler | would the increased number of PCI transactions in any way cause frames to get rejected? |
| 17:58.27 | russellb | jpeeler: i have no idea. |
| 17:59.26 | kpfleming | it shouldn't |
| 17:59.35 | kpfleming | but bugs in the hardhdlc implementation would |
| 17:59.39 | kpfleming | what kind of card are you testing with? |
| 17:59.49 | russellb | and i'm not sure that it gets used often |
| 18:00.08 | russellb | you're probably better off leaving it at the default, which is off IIRC |
| 18:00.27 | jpeeler | te420 is the card set to E1 mode |
| 18:03.02 | kpfleming | hmm |
| 18:03.10 | kpfleming | well, it is supposed to work properly on that card |
| 18:03.22 | kpfleming | do you still have problems with using 'dchan' instead of 'hardhdlc'? |
| 18:03.34 | jpeeler | dchan works fine, hardhdlc doesn't |
| 18:03.46 | kpfleming | then definitely report that as a DAHDI issue in JIRA |
| 18:03.54 | jpeeler | works fine while verbosity is set to a minimum at least |
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| 18:08.02 | kpfleming | are you running this on a box with a graphic console or text mode? |
| 18:08.24 | kpfleming | because that sounds like exactly the sort of PCI bus contention issue russell was referring to |
| 18:08.34 | jpeeler | it is actually graphical |
| 18:08.36 | kpfleming | and if so, there are improvements on the way that will fix it |
| 18:08.38 | kpfleming | oh... that's not good |
| 18:09.08 | jpeeler | by graphical i assume you just mean colorized output? |
| 18:09.46 | kpfleming | no, i mean running X11 |
| 18:10.27 | jpeeler | yes i'm running X11, worth trying without? |
| 18:10.34 | kpfleming | no question |
| 18:10.42 | kpfleming | TDM cards + X11 is not a good combination at all |
| 18:11.07 | kpfleming | same goes for fancy framebuffer text consoles... they eat CPU for scrolling and displaying text |
| 18:11.15 | russellb | jpeeler: we need to get you a dev box for doing hw related testing/development |
| 18:11.16 | kpfleming | that is why changing the logging level affected your problem |
| 18:11.28 | kpfleming | we need a bunch of them... let me see what is out there |
| 18:11.33 | russellb | ok, cool |
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| 18:12.57 | jpeeler | i'll hold off on the jira issue then until i test with X11, which is hard to do without another box |
| 18:13.02 | jpeeler | *without |
| 18:13.20 | russellb | nods |
| 18:17.06 | seanbright | i wonder how much money you could make farming IP off of pastebin.ca |
| 18:17.23 | putnopvut | $3.00 |
| 18:17.37 | seanbright | that seems a little high |
| 18:17.46 | putnopvut | I'm adjusting for inflation |
| 18:18.00 | seanbright | well played |
| 18:18.08 | putnopvut | bows |
| 18:21.37 | Corydon76-dig | seanbright: tell your sister she needs to delay her wedding by a week |
| 18:22.25 | seanbright | Corydon76-dig: if only. |
| 18:22.42 | seanbright | is severely depressed about missing devcon |
| 18:22.58 | seanbright | but don't tell my sister that |
| 18:22.59 | seanbright | heh |
| 18:24.42 | Corydon76-dig | What's her number, I'll call her and tell her |
| 18:24.52 | seanbright | 877-DIGIUM0 |
| 18:25.46 | Corydon76-dig | You could fly out for devcon and fly back only for the wedding, then fly back out to AZ |
| 18:25.58 | seanbright | her wedding is the 27th |
| 18:26.16 | seanbright | and then there are rehearsal dinners and bachelor parties and such |
| 18:26.32 | Corydon76-dig | Set up a video phone, you can attend the wedding virtually |
| 18:27.01 | seanbright | or you guys could set up a video phone and i could attend devcon virtually :) |
| 18:27.38 | Corydon76-dig | Nah, you'll want to be in AZ |
| 18:27.38 | putnopvut | seanbright: I'd like that, since I won't be there either. |
| 18:27.39 | russellb | yeah, with our stellar video support |
| 18:27.46 | russellb | but supposedly we'll be fixing that there :-p |
| 18:27.54 | seanbright | is rizzo going to be there? |
| 18:28.02 | russellb | maybe, don't know yet |
| 18:28.15 | seanbright | i'll be there next year |
| 18:28.19 | seanbright | @ devcon |
| 18:28.32 | russellb | we might ostracize you by then |
| 18:28.36 | putnopvut | lol |
| 18:28.45 | seanbright | cries |
| 18:28.57 | ctooley | is probably going to miss devcon too. |
| 18:29.05 | Corydon76-dig | ctooley: awww |
| 18:29.11 | putnopvut | seanbright: on the bright side, if you have any downtime, there will probably be an astridevcon IRC channel or some such. |
| 18:29.23 | seanbright | awesome |
| 18:29.30 | ctooley | Excel's belt tightening crap. |
| 18:29.47 | russellb | ctooley: will you be in vegas the weekend before astricon? |
| 18:29.59 | ctooley | russellb, I wish |
| 18:29.59 | russellb | that's the um ... pre-astricon ... event ... |
| 18:30.08 | seanbright | i was going to talk about the c++ and native win32 version of asterisk while i was there... |
| 18:30.10 | russellb | i have yet to recruit anyone for that, heh |
| 18:30.15 | seanbright | man... that will never get old |
| 18:30.15 | putnopvut | russellb: Digium-sponsored? :P |
| 18:30.15 | ctooley | goes off to check his flight. |
| 18:30.59 | seanbright | Cresl1n already crushed my 'dahdi on win32' spirit, however. |
| 18:32.51 | seanbright | you guys could move the conference to baltimore, and then i could be there for most of the time |
| 18:32.58 | seanbright | it's settled then |
| 18:34.34 | file | russellb: work harder on your recruiting efforts |
| 18:34.55 | russellb | file: hmm? |
| 18:35.01 | seanbright | re: vegas |
| 18:35.02 | putnopvut | Heck, if you moved the conference to Baltimore, I could have free lodging with my Northern VA homies. |
| 18:36.57 | seanbright | there you go |
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| 18:40.18 | seanbright | putnopvut: we could have a satellite devcon |
| 18:40.44 | putnopvut | I really would be interested in a video feed if possible. |
| 18:41.07 | kpfleming | we'll probably try... don't know if it will be possible though |
| 18:41.27 | seanbright | that means i'll have to put on pants though |
| 18:41.51 | putnopvut | seanbright: why? |
| 18:41.51 | russellb | we could use skype |
| 18:41.53 | russellb | ducks |
| 18:41.57 | kpfleming | no, the video feed would be one way |
| 18:41.58 | tzanger | hmm, interesting, the entire MaxTNT seems to be glued together by ATM |
| 18:42.02 | seanbright | ok, score |
| 18:42.15 | seanbright | will be pantless |
| 18:42.15 | file | video feed, plus IRC chat |
| 18:42.20 | kpfleming | == skype :-) |
| 18:42.44 | kpfleming | tzanger: better than elmer's |
| 18:43.55 | tzanger | heh |
| 18:44.02 | tzanger | I was surprised, and kind of hoping it was cPCI |
| 18:44.24 | tzanger | but no, every board so far has an NEC uPD98401 ATM SAR connected to an i960 |
| 18:44.28 | pabelanger | afternoon all |
| 18:45.06 | pabelanger | I was curious if there was a road map for the 1.6.0 branch published online? |
| 18:45.37 | pabelanger | IE: Beta / RC / Release stages |
| 18:45.42 | kpfleming | nope |
| 18:45.48 | kpfleming | we are actively working to try to get the first -rc out |
| 18:46.03 | kpfleming | it is only waiting on the DAHDI packages to reach a stable point and be released as -rc themselves |
| 18:46.13 | kpfleming | maybe this afternoon i can finish the 1.4 chan_dahdi work and be ready |
| 18:46.35 | pabelanger | kpfleming: thanks for the information |
| 18:49.25 | Juggie | putnopvut, why are you missing astricon/devcon? |
| 18:50.36 | Juggie | russellb, c++ some day :) |
| 18:50.53 | russellb | O.O |
| 18:51.09 | Juggie | one of these days we'll stop reimplemting things that are in the STL |
| 18:51.24 | file | where did that come from? O.o |
| 18:51.28 | russellb | no clue |
| 18:51.49 | russellb | Juggie: there are cons to it, as well, such as significantly raising the barrier of entry into asterisk development ... |
| 18:51.56 | putnopvut | russellb: really? |
| 18:52.14 | russellb | sure, C++ is a more complex language |
| 18:53.03 | tzafrir_laptop | What is DAHDI waiting on? |
| 18:53.03 | russellb | anyway, i don't want to rehash this discussion which has been had around the world 23847293847239 times |
| 18:53.04 | jameswf-home | someone once said c has no class |
| 18:53.16 | putnopvut | jameswf-home: how accurate |
| 18:53.38 | Juggie | but we could remove linkedlist.h :) |
| 18:53.44 | Juggie | woudnt that make you happy |
| 18:54.03 | jameswf-home | I was going to get a bumper sticker but figured the humor would be lost to most |
| 18:54.08 | putnopvut | std::list<sip_peer> sip_peers; |
| 18:54.24 | Juggie | exactally :) |
| 18:54.30 | tzafrir_laptop | jameswf-home, OTOH, there's no class without C |
| 18:55.16 | Juggie | i nominate putnopvut to start the project. |
| 18:55.21 | jameswf-home | c is like a woman... seems simple enough but miss one damn semi-colon and LOOK OUT |
| 18:55.23 | file | raises eyebrow |
| 18:56.48 | Juggie | pokes file |
| 18:57.49 | seanbright | hey, what about a c++ version of asterisk? |
| 18:57.52 | seanbright | any thoughts? |
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| 18:58.17 | file | I have thoughts, they involve the amount of time required to do such a thing and resources involved |
| 18:58.19 | ctooley | seanbright, only if it's written in Visual C++ |
| 18:58.37 | jameswf-home | C# oooooh >NET |
| 18:58.40 | seanbright | ctooley: you've made an old man very happy |
| 18:58.44 | jameswf-home | *.NET |
| 18:59.08 | russellb | rolls his eyes |
| 18:59.11 | seanbright | Visual Studio > emacs |
| 18:59.18 | putnopvut | I agree with that. |
| 18:59.24 | russellb | go look at everywhere we used struct initializers, seriously, go count them. |
| 18:59.35 | russellb | struct foo foo = { .bar1 = 1, .bar2 = 2 }; |
| 18:59.47 | seanbright | s/^\.something/foo->something/g |
| 18:59.47 | putnopvut | What's so great about those anyway? |
| 18:59.48 | russellb | and then remember that's just the _first_ thing we use that's not supported in C++ |
| 18:59.58 | russellb | putnopvut: my point is, have fun converting the 291384928347 places we do that |
| 19:00.14 | seanbright | yeah... we can't covert |
| 19:00.23 | seanbright | the only solution is a ground-up rewrite |
| 19:00.29 | seanbright | ... should i kick myself again? |
| 19:00.30 | russellb | putnopvut: it's syntactic sugar. Also, initializing at creating time like that ensures that the rest of it is initialized to 0 |
| 19:00.31 | seanbright | :) |
| 19:01.08 | putnopvut | russellb: Ah, I didn't know of the implicit 0-setting for other elements. |
| 19:01.14 | russellb | nods |
| 19:01.22 | seanbright | that is a very very very minor point |
| 19:01.26 | russellb | seanbright: uh huh. |
| 19:01.27 | seanbright | casting would be the big PITA |
| 19:01.38 | russellb | putnopvut: you could used un-named initializers, too, but that's not as pretty :) |
| 19:01.50 | putnopvut | seanbright: oh god, I totally forgot about that. |
| 19:01.52 | russellb | putnopvut: and makes assumptions of the layout of the struct .. |
| 19:01.56 | russellb | and yes, casting. |
| 19:02.08 | russellb | do you know how many places we implicitly cast a void *? 2093842903847239847234 |
| 19:02.19 | russellb | have fun with that, too |
| 19:02.38 | seanbright | you really should cap your exaggerations at the LOC of the code base |
| 19:02.38 | seanbright | :) |
| 19:02.57 | seanbright | maybe * 2 for fudge factor and multiple casts on a line... |
| 19:03.59 | seanbright | he's writing a script to figure that out right now... |
| 19:04.04 | Juggie | guaranteed |
| 19:04.14 | Juggie | worktoconverttocpp.sh |
| 19:04.21 | Juggie | he's coding it now |
| 19:04.37 | russellb | you wish |
| 19:04.38 | seanbright | LOE = a billion man hours |
| 19:05.18 | putnopvut | file: see if this makes sense to you, because right now it makes none to me. The SIP spiral failure I mentioned when canreinvite=no happens apparently because the far-end phone is sending a 200 OK to the spiraled INVITE repeatedly. Asterisk ACKs each one, but apparently for some reason the phone is just dropping the ACK instead of actually answering. |
| 19:05.31 | seanbright | if there are 20 of us here... that's only 50M hours each |
| 19:05.34 | tzanger | heh |
| 19:05.39 | tzanger | there's nothing wrong with casting a void |
| 19:05.42 | putnopvut | tcpdump on Asterisk shows that the 200 OK and the ACK are being sent to/from the proper IPs. |
| 19:05.43 | tzanger | just don't be an ass about it |
| 19:06.02 | seanbright | -Wno-ass |
| 19:06.13 | file | putnopvut: canreinvite shouldn't change our logic... for anything I can think of that has anything to do with that stuff :\ |
| 19:06.25 | putnopvut | file: right, it made no sense to me either. |
| 19:06.29 | russellb | tzanger: it's not valid in C++ ... |
| 19:06.34 | tzanger | that's why C++ sucks |
| 19:06.37 | russellb | heh |
| 19:06.53 | putnopvut | It may be that canreinvite is a red herring of some sort. As in, it's not the actual option, but some side effect of enabling the option that's causing the failure. |
| 19:06.56 | putnopvut | But what it is, I have no idea. |
| 19:08.59 | seanbright | if only visual c++ supported c99 |
| 19:09.14 | file | putnopvut: peculiar... have you done a comparison with and without it off signalling wise? |
| 19:09.24 | putnopvut | That's what I'm doing now. |
| 19:09.45 | seanbright | "This feature pack does not include C99 compatibility or support for special math functions." |
| 19:09.50 | seanbright | weak! |
| 19:10.26 | russellb | windows blows goats, i'm not even sure why you're looking at that |
| 19:10.38 | seanbright | ... |
| 19:10.49 | russellb | :-p |
| 19:10.55 | putnopvut | If seanbright is a goat, I could see exactly why. |
| 19:11.14 | Juggie | russellb, should we use borland c++? :) |
| 19:11.17 | seanbright | yikes |
| 19:11.30 | russellb | we should use g++, obviously |
| 19:11.53 | seanbright | n00b |
| 19:12.08 | seanbright | if it doesn't cost $1200, it's not a good compiler |
| 19:12.15 | putnopvut | only $1200? |
| 19:12.26 | seanbright | i think that is what vs.net pro costs these days |
| 19:12.33 | putnopvut | When I was at Adtran, we used the Greenhills Multi Compiler/Debugger. $10000 per license. |
| 19:12.33 | seanbright | my msdn subscription was slightly more expensive |
| 19:13.12 | russellb | putnopvut: i remember the daily emails of people complaining that they couldn't start it because they were out of licenses ... |
| 19:13.21 | putnopvut | yeah, me too. |
| 19:13.37 | putnopvut | Most of the time, it would be because of someone hogging like 3-4 licenses though. |
| 19:13.50 | russellb | i'm glad we don't have to worry about that. |
| 19:13.55 | ctooley | Borland C++Builder! |
| 19:14.01 | russellb | too many people in this building are using gcc :( |
| 19:14.16 | ctooley | or say to hell with it, and just do a full scale conversion to Delphi. |
| 19:14.18 | ctooley | :) |
| 19:14.32 | tzanger | you know, back when I was in high school, I won a full box set of Watcom C++ with all manuals |
| 19:14.37 | ctooley | and by conversion, I mean gut and rewrite. |
| 19:14.41 | Juggie | seanbright, gcc hasnt completed implementing c99 either, has anyone? |
| 19:14.51 | tzanger | I placed #1 in the skills canada competition for computer interfacing |
| 19:15.07 | seanbright | Juggie: well, that is immaterial, asterisk already uses some of the C99 features that it has implemented. |
| 19:15.16 | tzanger | (I made a powerglove control virtual knobs that turned real stepper motors connected to real potentiometers) |
| 19:15.24 | seanbright | watcom is free now, isn't it? |
| 19:15.30 | Juggie | seanbright, ya but most compilers have partial C99 no one has complete that i know of |
| 19:15.49 | seanbright | Juggie: right, but VS implements approximately squat IIRC |
| 19:16.13 | Juggie | seanbright, i woudnt know i havnt dev'ed in VS.net in like 5 years |
| 19:16.25 | tzanger | seanbright: yes I believe so, but it wasn't then |
| 19:16.35 | tzanger | I won a lot of neat shit, was the only thing in my life i'd won |
| 19:17.14 | seanbright | i always wanted to win that nickelodeon toys'r'us shopping sprees |
| 19:17.19 | seanbright | never did though. |
| 19:18.26 | Juggie | so many dreams crushed |
| 19:18.38 | seanbright | i had a route planned and everything |
| 19:18.43 | seanbright | straight to the nintendo aisle |
| 19:19.09 | seanbright | that is as far as my planned route got |
| 19:22.46 | Juggie | heh, get that 8bit NES and power glove |
| 19:22.53 | seanbright | and powerpad |
| 19:23.04 | Juggie | most of these kids dont remember that! |
| 19:23.09 | putnopvut | The power glove was a huge disappointment. |
| 19:23.11 | Juggie | i bet you russellb and file never had NES's |
| 19:23.14 | putnopvut | I had one, and it sucked. |
| 19:23.16 | seanbright | i was *awesome* at track and field |
| 19:23.29 | putnopvut | s/was *awesome*/cheated/ |
| 19:23.29 | seanbright | esp. archery and skeet shooting |
| 19:23.32 | Juggie | clearly SMB3 was the best game ever |
| 19:23.35 | file | I did not |
| 19:23.40 | seanbright | Juggie: without a doubt |
| 19:23.46 | file | but there is an SNES in my living room right now, does that count? |
| 19:23.48 | Juggie | not SMB2 which is actually called something else in japan |
| 19:23.57 | mog | doki doki panic |
| 19:23.57 | putnopvut | something Doki Doki panic |
| 19:24.00 | seanbright | file: it does not, no. |
| 19:24.04 | file | fails |
| 19:24.13 | mog | and smb2 is called smb2 in japan |
| 19:24.15 | Juggie | but they noticed super mario was selling so well, they took some crap game, stuck super mario sprites in it and sold it as super mario 2 |
| 19:24.19 | mog | we call it lost levels in states |
| 19:24.24 | seanbright | Juggie: 'The Wizard' was pretty disappointing, however. |
| 19:24.40 | Juggie | mog, lost levels only came out after. |
| 19:24.48 | mog | in the states |
| 19:24.55 | mog | we didnt get it as it was considered to hard |
| 19:25.00 | seanbright | SMB2 = garbage |
| 19:25.03 | putnopvut | mog: that's because it was. |
| 19:25.07 | mog | bah |
| 19:25.16 | seanbright | SMB3 = this shiznit |
| 19:25.19 | seanbright | s/this/the/ |
| 19:25.31 | ctooley | Metroid baby. Metroid rocked. |
| 19:25.31 | Juggie | the US got the lameo SMB2 |
| 19:25.37 | Juggie | canada too |
| 19:25.40 | seanbright | metroid did rock... |
| 19:25.42 | mog | heh canada |
| 19:25.47 | seanbright | ok, here is the NES test |
| 19:25.59 | seanbright | what is this: |
| 19:26.03 | putnopvut | konami code |
| 19:26.07 | mog | LOL |
| 19:26.08 | seanbright | up up down down left right left right b a start |
| 19:26.13 | putnopvut | OH HELL YEAH! |
| 19:26.15 | seanbright | putnopvut!! |
| 19:26.19 | seanbright | bows |
| 19:26.21 | seanbright | err |
| 19:26.25 | seanbright | bows to putnopvut |
| 19:26.30 | mog | seanbright, you were a lonely child eh? |
| 19:26.41 | seanbright | mog: i still am |
| 19:26.53 | mog | was a select starter |
| 19:26.53 | seanbright | mog: and thanks for bringing it up |
| 19:26.57 | seanbright | goes off to therapy |
| 19:27.21 | mog | heh |
| 19:27.28 | seanbright | putnopvut: nice work |
| 19:27.59 | seanbright | it worked on street fighter too, though |
| 19:28.01 | seanbright | and that was capcom |
| 19:28.21 | seanbright | i would have accepted "contra code" as well |
| 19:28.37 | ctooley | 1942 was awesome as well |
| 19:28.41 | ctooley | 1943... not so much |
| 19:28.44 | mog | 1942 is awesome |
| 19:28.53 | seanbright | never got into 1942 |
| 19:29.05 | seanbright | the original zelda though |
| 19:29.07 | seanbright | <3 |
| 19:30.09 | ctooley | bought the original zelda for the Wii and played through it a while back |
| 19:30.51 | Juggie | also, i dare anyone to try and finish super contra |
| 19:30.57 | Juggie | that game is *IMPOSSIBLE* without cheating |
| 19:31.06 | seanbright | i always cheated |
| 19:31.18 | Juggie | it has to be impossible, i cheated and i died like 100 times |
| 19:31.51 | mog | Juggie, i have beat it with out dying |
| 19:32.05 | ctooley | I am so going to see if Super Contra is available for download on the Wii. I have so many extra points we've never used. |
| 19:32.08 | mog | a friend of mine in high school and i played it a lot for a couple months |
| 19:32.24 | mog | saw a video Juggie where a guy beats it without shooting |
| 19:32.31 | mog | well shooting only what needs to be shot |
| 19:32.45 | putnopvut | mog: tool-assisted? |
| 19:32.52 | mog | no |
| 19:32.57 | mog | well i guess he could have cheated |
| 19:33.03 | mog | but it says he didnt |
| 19:33.23 | mog | i tried doing it and could beat first level 1 in hundred times without shooting |
| 19:33.23 | Corydon76-dig | mog: that sentence could be misinterpreted |
| 19:33.29 | mog | but never did anymore than that |
| 19:33.40 | Corydon76-dig | <mog> saw a video Juggie where a guy beats it without shooting |
| 19:33.49 | putnopvut | lol |
| 19:34.11 | mog | Corydon76-dig, your mind is in the gutter |
| 19:34.12 | ctooley | Corydon76-dig, only by you |
| 19:34.13 | Juggie | mog, the game i'm refering to (after googleing to check it out) |
| 19:34.19 | Juggie | is Contra 3: Alien Wars |
| 19:34.22 | Juggie | its impossible. |
| 19:34.30 | mog | ahh i never played anyother than the original |
| 19:35.22 | seanbright | in fairness to Corydon76-dig... when is his mind *not* in the gutter? :) |
| 19:36.07 | Corydon76-dig | My mind isn't always in the gutter |
| 19:36.39 | ctooley | doh! neither Super Contra nor 1942 are available on Wii Virtual Console. :( |
| 19:37.05 | Juggie | http://youtube.com/watch?v=70c0WVolr0chttp://youtube.com/watch?v=70c0WVolr0c |
| 19:37.11 | seanbright | try again |
| 19:37.11 | Juggie | ack, woops. http://youtube.com/watch?v=70c0WVolr0c |
| 19:37.15 | seanbright | nice |
| 19:37.50 | russellb | how about that asterisk development |
| 19:38.05 | *** join/#asterisk-dev jpeeler (n=jpeeler@asterisk/digium-software-dev/jpeeler) |
| 19:38.05 | *** mode/#asterisk-dev [+o jpeeler] by ChanServ |
| 19:38.34 | seanbright | ./nick BuzzKillington |
| 19:38.34 | Juggie | seanbright, go to 22minutes |
| 19:38.43 | Juggie | that part of the game is the craziest |
| 19:39.16 | seanbright | "We're sorry, this video is no longer available" |
| 19:39.17 | seanbright | ? |
| 19:39.18 | russellb | seanbright: i waited 20 minutes :) |
| 19:39.41 | Juggie | seanbright, that happens some times. refresh |
| 19:39.54 | seanbright | Juggie: no love |
| 19:40.01 | seanbright | maybe it will be better after i smoke |
| 19:40.06 | seanbright | i'll test that now |
| 19:40.24 | Juggie | odd it works perfect here |
| 19:46.52 | seanbright | Juggie: i'm using the GNU version of youtube :-P |
| 19:47.04 | seanbright | ok, works now |
| 19:47.28 | kpfleming | now we have an mvnabaak too? |
| 19:47.51 | seanbright | he mistyped right before he went on vaca |
| 19:48.20 | putnopvut | but apparently he registered that nick too? |
| 19:48.26 | seanbright | must've |
| 19:48.29 | putnopvut | or some joker opped him. |
| 19:51.03 | seanbright | well, we just laid off the 3rd person in as many days |
| 19:56.01 | Juggie | move to huntsville! :P |
| 19:56.06 | seanbright | heh |
| 19:59.15 | Juggie | hows the supply of dr pepper doing |
| 19:59.19 | Juggie | did you find out who sent it? |
| 19:59.31 | kpfleming | yes we did |
| 19:59.45 | kpfleming | however they wish to remain anonymous |
| 20:00.04 | Juggie | it was sangoma! :) |
| 20:00.19 | Juggie | (kidding...) |
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| 20:02.28 | tzanger | haha |
| 20:02.34 | seanbright | Juggie: re: 22:00... holy crap |
| 20:02.57 | Juggie | ya i know that game is insane! |
| 20:03.09 | Juggie | i figure its impossible without cheating |
| 20:03.13 | Juggie | you only get 7 lives max |
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| 20:04.32 | tzanger | reminds me of the simpsons episode where bart and millhouse are on warring "pre teen activity clubs" and homer taints millhouse's team's chocolate with laxitives |
| 20:04.52 | Juggie | oooookay |
| 20:04.55 | tzanger | everyone's getting sick from it and bart's team is selling their untainted with teh slogan "melts in your mouth, not your pants" |
| 20:05.49 | tzanger | and then when millhouse's team wins, homer's like "who would want a bunch of chocolate filled with laxitives?" and it cuts to the old age home where all the seniors are chowing down |
| 20:06.10 | tzanger | the idea of sangoma sending digium a bunch of dr pepper made me think of gifts from anonymous sources :-) |
| 20:06.18 | tzanger | and it being tainted |
| 20:06.26 | Juggie | icccc. |
| 20:08.17 | Juggie | your story made me think of the 'turbo lax' in dumb and dumber |
| 20:09.14 | putnopvut | yeah, that d00d p00ps. it funy |
| 20:09.30 | Juggie | http://www.jibjab.com/view/193421 |
| 20:11.23 | kpfleming | we have already consumed 25% of the dr pepper, it appears to be safe |
| 20:13.18 | Juggie | sweet... |
| 20:14.24 | Juggie | oooo a new libpri |
| 20:14.26 | Juggie | that doesnt happen often |
| 20:14.51 | ctooley | Anyone know when jtodd is expected to return from OSCON? |
| 20:28.03 | seanbright | someone needs to deploy the most up-to-date svn post commit hook jobby |
| 20:32.49 | kpfleming | which is what? |
| 20:33.28 | seanbright | post-revprop-change? |
| 20:34.01 | seanbright | fixes escaping of slashes and percent symbols in commit comments |
| 20:34.13 | seanbright | and doesn't print an extra comma if there is no "area" |
| 20:36.49 | seanbright | in other words... really important stuff |
| 20:36.50 | seanbright | ;) |
| 20:53.04 | *** mode/#asterisk-dev [-o JerJer] by ChanServ |
| 20:53.57 | seanbright | ? |
| 21:08.27 | eliel | Hello, I would like to know why we are not passing a->argv and a->argc while running CLI_GENERATE |
| 21:10.20 | eliel | it there a any reason? |
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| 21:17.40 | Qwell | dummy-select? |
| 21:18.49 | ctooley | I've noticed that my blog entries don't seem to show up for a while, is there an approval process required? |
| 21:19.10 | eliel | Qwell: that was for me? |
| 21:19.20 | Qwell | eliel: no, a patch on mantis |
| 21:19.32 | eliel | k |
| 21:19.33 | Qwell | M13132 |
| 21:19.35 | MuffinMan | [new] [Asterisk] Core/BuildSystem 0013132: [patch] dummy-select - a simplified menuselect replacement reported by tzafrir (Karma: +98.00) http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=13132 |
| 21:19.57 | russellb | ctooley: database sync i guess |
| 21:25.45 | ctooley | russellb, a day? Not automatic? |
| 21:25.55 | ctooley | If I log in I can see it, if I'm not I can't see it. |
| 21:26.07 | russellb | a day? weird |
| 21:26.14 | russellb | email webmaster@digium.com, i guess |
| 21:26.17 | ctooley | I thought so too. :) |
| 21:26.51 | ctooley | anyway, I'm moving my updates to simplified.org and I'll just post wrapups on asterisk.org |
| 21:26.59 | russellb | cool. |
| 21:42.33 | putnopvut | I haven't posted a blog on asterisk.org before, but I know that with things like security updates and release announcements, there's a box under "publishing options" called something like "wait in moderation queue." Always uncheck that. |
| 21:52.03 | ctooley | putnopvut, it was unchecked |
| 21:59.49 | putnopvut | Hmm, 1.4 has ast_string_field_free(), is there a similar function for trunk? |
| 22:00.52 | putnopvut | I guess I can just use ast_string_field_set and point to an empty string. |
| 22:00.54 | snuff-home | ast_string_field_free_memory |
| 22:01.11 | kpfleming | what do you want to do? |
| 22:01.17 | kpfleming | free is not the same as setting it to an empty string |
| 22:01.36 | putnopvut | kpfleming: let me re-check |
| 22:01.49 | snuff-home | mm true.. btw kpfleming i will try and get around to testing that alignment code this week.. been busy busy.. |
| 22:01.59 | kpfleming | thanks |
| 22:02.51 | putnopvut | kpfleming: apparently all I'm trying to do is make sure that a sip_pvt doesn't have the incorrect tag in its "theirtag" field. I used ast_string_field_free in my 1.4 patch to do this. |
| 22:03.13 | kpfleming | that is probably wrong, let me check |
| 22:03.35 | putnopvut | I read the comment in the header that said that using ast_string_field_free would reset the pointer to point at an empty string. |
| 22:03.52 | seanbright | in trunk you want to call ast_str_reset() |
| 22:03.52 | kpfleming | no, that is correct, you are fine |
| 22:03.57 | seanbright | or not... |
| 22:04.04 | kpfleming | no, this is not an ast_str |
| 22:04.29 | kpfleming | the equivalent in trunk is documented in stringfields.h, same place as in 1.4 |
| 22:04.33 | seanbright | oh right |
| 22:04.34 | seanbright | duh |
| 22:04.45 | putnopvut | kpfleming: thanks. |
| 22:05.38 | putnopvut | Got it. |
| 22:05.51 | putnopvut | ast_string_field_set with a NULL argument for those following along. |
| 22:14.25 | snuff-home | mm this 1.4.21.2 release is just to fix the security right? aka not including later 1.4 svn stuff? |
| 22:15.07 | russellb | correct |
| 22:15.16 | kpfleming | that is what the fourth component of the version number means |
| 22:16.13 | snuff-home | mm just confirming.. off to work i go |
| 22:16.17 | russellb | i think i want to go ahead and do a 1.6.0 beta as part of this |
| 22:16.28 | russellb | i know dahdi isn't released, but it has been quite a while ... and it's beta, anyway :) |
| 22:16.40 | russellb | and i know people are using it, so it would be good to include the security fix ... |
| 22:16.44 | russellb | kpfleming: thoughts? |
| 22:17.25 | kpfleming | well, they can't use it unless they use dahdi, now |
| 22:17.28 | kpfleming | -b9 worked with zaptel |
| 22:17.38 | russellb | that's true .. |
| 22:17.44 | kpfleming | let me see how close we can get to a dahdi -rc today or first thing tomorrow |
| 22:17.49 | kpfleming | and call the 1.6.0 release -rc1 |
| 22:17.50 | russellb | ok, yeah, waiting is fine |
| 22:17.52 | russellb | nods |
| 22:17.56 | kpfleming | for the purposes of the security advisory |
| 22:27.53 | putnopvut | What's the svn command to edit a log message? My memory seems to have failed me this time. |
| 22:29.22 | russellb | svn propedit --revprop -r 12345 svn:log |
| 22:29.38 | kpfleming | and a path, or in a working copy from that repo |
| 22:29.44 | russellb | svn propedit --revprop -r 12345 svn:log $R |
| 22:29.49 | russellb | :) |
| 22:29.51 | putnopvut | thank you both |
| 22:39.12 | tzafrir_laptop | ok, before dahdi is released: isn't dahdi-compat.h something that will be replicated in every utility that will transition from zaptel to dahdi? |
| 22:39.35 | tzafrir_laptop | Doesn't it belong in dahdi? |
| 22:40.51 | kpfleming | no |
| 22:41.17 | kpfleming | if somebody wants it, they can get it from asterisk, but they'll need the configure script setup properly to feed it the proper information |
| 22:44.50 | tzafrir_laptop | this dahdi transition is a mess |
| 22:44.58 | kpfleming | why? |
| 22:47.53 | tzafrir_laptop | there's also a matter of license |
| 22:48.18 | tzafrir_laptop | I can't borrow code from asterisk to use in, say, a LGPL library |
| 22:48.21 | kpfleming | you didn't tell me why it's a mess... i'd like to correct whatever you think is broken, if possible |
| 22:48.34 | kpfleming | there is no code to speak of in that file |
| 22:48.45 | kpfleming | but if you like, i'll make the license of that one specific file LGPL |
| 22:48.54 | kpfleming | putting it into dahdi wouldn't have fixed that |
| 22:50.36 | tzafrir_laptop | as for dahdi: I'm not sure if a previous RC would have helped (if there was some way of telling that the interfaces there are not set in stone) |
| 22:51.04 | kpfleming | i'm a bit confused...a previous RC of what, exactly? |
| 22:51.09 | tzafrir_laptop | that is to say: |
| 22:51.51 | tzafrir_laptop | I'm a bit troubled by the lack of external output. |
| 22:53.04 | kpfleming | can you explain? what do you think has been missed? we are *not* releasing DAHDI 2.0.0 right now, we are just going to release a first release candidate |
| 22:53.15 | tzafrir_laptop | ok |
| 22:53.48 | kpfleming | the plan is to release -rc1 of dahdi(linux,tools)-2.0.0, asterisk-1.6.0 and asterisk-1.4.22 |
| 22:53.54 | kpfleming | all with dahdi support |
| 22:54.10 | kpfleming | and then let the community and our internal people test out the -rcs and tell us what we've broken |
| 22:56.11 | tzafrir_laptop | any idea when? |
| 22:56.30 | kpfleming | was trying for today, doesn't seem like it is ready |
| 22:56.37 | kpfleming | probably tomorrow morning GMT-5 |
| 22:56.53 | kpfleming | still have some questions to get answered internally here |
| 22:57.03 | kpfleming | and needed to finish some asterisk 1.4 stuff (but that is now done and committed) |
| 22:57.08 | tzafrir_laptop | ok. So that new feature we're working on for our driver won't make it in :-) |
| 22:57.31 | kpfleming | but it could go in later... no feature freeze |
| 22:58.09 | tzafrir_laptop | Yeah. Hence the :-) |
| 22:59.11 | eliel | MuffinMan it is supposed to show every new bug report? |
| 22:59.38 | russellb | no .. |
| 22:59.51 | russellb | eliel: if you join #asterisk-commits, there is another bot that does that. Entomologist |
| 23:00.47 | eliel | russellb: It is working? |
| 23:01.03 | russellb | i think so. |
| 23:01.12 | eliel | russellb: it is not there... |
| 23:01.17 | russellb | actually, no :) |
| 23:01.38 | Qwell | yeah, was gonna say - I haven't seem him talk in a while |
| 23:02.13 | putnopvut | I was hoping that meant that no bugs had been reported. |
| 23:02.25 | eliel | heh |
| 23:02.32 | russellb | it's back. |
| 23:02.40 | eliel | russellb: thanks |
| 23:02.43 | russellb | np |
| 23:14.25 | russellb | alright, can someone outside digi-net check downloads.digium.com for asterisk 1.4.21.2 and 1.2.30 ? |
| 23:18.00 | eliel | russellb: both working... |
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| 23:18.53 | russellb | eliel: thanks |
| 23:19.17 | eliel | urwelcome |