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| 02:19.28 | jsmith | ZX81: I think somebody did some fix-ups on the codec, but the devs were afraid it would break too many things, so they made it optional |
| 02:19.40 | jsmith | ZX81: I don't remember all the details |
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| 02:55.33 | asdx | hi, was the chap_sip rewritten in 1.6? will 1.6 offer architectural changes? |
| 02:55.37 | asdx | xD |
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| 03:01.01 | asdx | it would be interesting to know |
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| 09:04.41 | jmls | is happy. |
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| 12:43.49 | ctooley | ZaVoid, which version of Asterisk were you running again? |
| 12:45.10 | russellb | 7 |
| 12:46.09 | ctooley | russellb, did I miss a few releases? |
| 12:46.09 | ctooley | I thought asterisk was still on the 1.X series |
| 12:46.20 | ctooley | goes off to run an svn update he expects to take a while if there were _that_ many releases overnight. |
| 12:46.21 | atis_work | :D |
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| 12:48.40 | lmadsen | ctooley: we're catching up to Solaris |
| 12:49.01 | lmadsen | this came down from the marketing dept. |
| 12:49.06 | russellb | heh |
| 12:49.16 | russellb | i was just about to say, luckily, asterisk releases are not named from a marketing point of view |
| 12:49.21 | russellb | they are named from an engineering point of view |
| 12:49.29 | lmadsen | :D |
| 12:49.32 | lmadsen | thank god |
| 12:49.35 | russellb | there will be no arbitrary version numbering, damnit! |
| 12:49.43 | russellb | well, other than how we skip odd numbers. |
| 12:49.56 | russellb | but that is somewhat convention |
| 12:50.06 | lmadsen | DAASI |
| 12:50.12 | russellb | ~daasi |
| 12:50.28 | lmadsen | Digium|Asterisk Asterisk Software Interface |
| 12:50.37 | russellb | oh god |
| 12:50.50 | lmadsen | is in a bit of a snarky mood :) |
| 12:50.54 | russellb | DASAI |
| 12:51.04 | russellb | Digium|Asterisk Software Appliance Interface |
| 12:51.04 | lmadsen | hahahaha |
| 12:51.14 | russellb | or, Application Interface |
| 12:51.33 | lmadsen | DACTI |
| 12:51.49 | lmadsen | Digium|Asterisk Computer Telephony Interface |
| 12:51.54 | russellb | heh |
| 12:51.59 | lmadsen | oooo! DACTASAI |
| 12:52.05 | ZaVoid | hey guys morning |
| 12:52.08 | ZaVoid | 1.4.15 ctooley |
| 12:52.13 | ZaVoid | is our stable build right now |
| 12:52.21 | ZaVoid | damn i just installed a 22" monitor.. its really nice |
| 12:52.30 | russellb | how many? :-p |
| 12:52.34 | ZaVoid | just 1 |
| 12:52.37 | russellb | i'm spoiled. |
| 12:52.41 | lmadsen | Digium|Asterisk Computer Telephony And Software Application Interface.... too funny (ok, I'm done now :)) |
| 12:52.45 | ZaVoid | sits next to my 19" and my MBP |
| 12:52.55 | lmadsen | I have a single 15" monitor on my laptop |
| 12:53.06 | russellb | <3 my workstation ... 3 20" widescreen LCDs |
| 12:53.17 | ZaVoid | nice |
| 12:53.25 | ZaVoid | i thought my 19" wide was nice.. but this 22" is slick |
| 12:53.29 | russellb | it's borderline ridiculous |
| 12:53.36 | ZaVoid | now i just need a real keyboard |
| 12:53.39 | lmadsen | ya, I hear that |
| 12:53.42 | russellb | but mark spencer has me beat ... he has 5 LCDs ... |
| 12:53.45 | lmadsen | I wouldn't mind another monitor actually |
| 12:53.46 | ZaVoid | i wish i could put those old ibm ps/2 keyboards on my mac |
| 12:54.12 | lmadsen | hahaha... click,click.click :) |
| 12:54.20 | lmadsen | I used to love those keyboards |
| 12:55.06 | russellb | i use a ergo keyboard, i kind of wonder why these things never really took off |
| 12:56.27 | Corydon76-dig | Because level of keys is far more important than angles |
| 12:56.48 | ctooley | has the 1920x1200 17" screen on his laptop and the 1600x1200 20" LCD |
| 12:57.22 | Corydon76-dig | 17"? That's tiny |
| 12:57.37 | ctooley | But, if I really want to show someone something, I hook up my 1920x1200 96" screen. |
| 12:57.44 | russellb | huge for a laptop |
| 12:57.45 | Corydon76-dig | Ooooooo |
| 12:57.47 | ctooley | Corydon76-dig, It makes for a hell of a big laptop. |
| 12:57.51 | russellb | 96" ... hawt |
| 12:57.59 | ctooley | hugs his projector. |
| 12:58.14 | atis_work | ctooley: don't you eyes got tired from that? |
| 12:58.26 | ctooley | atis_work, from what? looking at the projector? |
| 12:58.34 | ZaVoid | madsen those were SOLID keyboards |
| 12:58.38 | ZaVoid | yo could kill people with them |
| 12:58.50 | atis_work | prefers my 27 inch lcd |
| 12:59.00 | ZaVoid | when i use to make PC's for friends i'd go out of my way to find the keyboards with the most extra buttons i could find and install all the custom software for it |
| 12:59.10 | ctooley | hugs his new laptop stand with it's 80's keyboard |
| 12:59.22 | ZaVoid | so how many of us use Mac's btw? |
| 12:59.33 | atis_work | sad that there's no good high-end keyboards with comfortable layout |
| 12:59.42 | ZaVoid | atis_work: imb ps/2 |
| 12:59.43 | atis_work | have you seen what logitech offers for >40$ |
| 13:00.06 | ZaVoid | you should never spend more then $4 on a keyboard |
| 13:00.07 | atis_work | they don't have INSERT key :( |
| 13:00.08 | ctooley | atis_work, check out the Kenesis keyboards |
| 13:00.14 | ZaVoid | when it breaks you pick it up and throw it away |
| 13:00.50 | atis_work | i would really like to find good bluetooth keyboard with INSERT key next to DELETE |
| 13:00.59 | ctooley | wwalker, has two. He had to relearn to type, but now he can barely type without one. |
| 13:02.12 | russellb | http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ |
| 13:02.14 | russellb | which one? |
| 13:02.54 | atis_work | i'm checking the same |
| 13:03.00 | atis_work | they are all squeezed |
| 13:03.43 | ctooley | I'm not sure which ones he has, but he's got two. |
| 13:03.43 | atis_work | they even don't have normal block of Home/Eend/PgUp/PgDown |
| 13:04.12 | atis_work | once i even sent classical keyboard layout as "business idea" to Logitech :D |
| 13:04.17 | ctooley | Once he learned to type with them he was much more comfortable. Helps with the tendinitious |
| 13:04.26 | Corydon76-dig | needs a keyboard with UPDATE and SELECT keys, too |
| 13:04.27 | atis_work | they replied me that that doesn't interest them :D |
| 13:04.30 | tzanger | atis_work: I have a red fish (I think?) keyboard. it has insert and delete next to each other |
| 13:04.35 | tzanger | rocketfish not redfish |
| 13:04.35 | atis_work | Corydon76-dig: LOL |
| 13:04.52 | atis_work | tzanger: is it bluetooth? |
| 13:05.07 | tzanger | ctooley: I have never in my life had tendonitis, and I spent the last 13 years typing primarily on laptop keyboards (with big hands) |
| 13:05.10 | tzanger | atis_work: yes |
| 13:05.17 | atis_work | tzanger: yay |
| 13:07.03 | ctooley | tzanger, good for you, I have it after only 10 years. And I can tell you, it hurts like a hell sometimes. |
| 13:07.36 | tzanger | ctooley: I imagine it would, I don't think anyone is making up the pain |
| 13:08.06 | tzanger | I don't know if I just have always used keyboards that are angled right for me or if I'm not prone to tendonitis... probably the latter |
| 13:09.20 | atis_work | tzanger: is that rocketfish good? no problems yet? seems like i want to order one :) |
| 13:09.36 | atis_work | don't really like the color, but want to try |
| 13:09.39 | tzanger | atis_work: I'm not totally pleased with it, no |
| 13:09.58 | ctooley | I just realized how I spelled tendonitis... I obviously need a second pot of coffee. |
| 13:10.21 | tzanger | it's kind of small, no numeric keypad, and it doesn't feel quite right to type on... I would *definitely* try it out first |
| 13:10.49 | tzanger | I wish I could find the tri-fold keyboard in BT form factor.. I had a great palm folding keyboard... now the folding keyboards all suck |
| 13:11.10 | tzanger | I'd like to try the virtual keyboards that use a laser to draw it |
| 13:11.24 | tzanger | just to see... zero tactile feedback would suck, but a keyboard anywhere would be nice |
| 13:11.24 | atis_work | tzanger: no numeric keypad? isn't it this one: http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/pc-85-3-rocketfish-wireless-multimedia-bluetooth-keyboard-and-laser-mouse-blacksilverred.aspx |
| 13:11.44 | ctooley | I had a folding keyboard that I loved. It was a bit smallish, but it worked great with my N770 and N800. But, during a flight something happened to it and it just died. |
| 13:11.59 | tzanger | ahh, I didn't know they had different models, I got mine open-box at Future Shop (think Circuit Shitty) |
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| 13:12.30 | tzanger | atis_work: wow that looks a lot better than the one I have |
| 13:13.05 | tzanger | wow rocketfish's site sucks balls |
| 13:13.07 | atis_work | yeah, what's a keyboard without numeric keypad :p |
| 13:13.37 | ctooley | actually, I like that keyboard too, and $99 isn't too bad. |
| 13:14.05 | ZaVoid | i like the new spaces in 10.5.3 |
| 13:14.20 | tzanger | http://rocketfishproducts.com/pc-30-10-rocketfish-bluetooth-wireless-keyboard-and-optical-mouse.aspx |
| 13:14.23 | tzanger | that's mine |
| 13:14.54 | ctooley | http://cgi.ebay.com/Rocketfish-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-and-Mouse_W0QQitemZ180248526587QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4706QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 13:15.21 | tzanger | $60 there ya go |
| 13:15.25 | _ys | nice keyboard: http://www.yamka.ru/kartinki/comp/comp016.jpg |
| 13:16.32 | ctooley | BTW for those of you who remember the Unwired Buyer product, that company is under new management. The eBay product is still on Asterisk and they're talking about moving the rest of their stuff back to it off of Nuance. |
| 13:17.37 | file | ctooley: oh? |
| 13:18.08 | mvanbaak | does ast_exists_extension do pattern matching ? |
| 13:18.14 | mvanbaak | or only real match ? |
| 13:18.40 | tzanger | http://cgi.ebay.com/Handspring-Visor-Platinum-8MB-Palm-w-folding-keyboard_W0QQitemZ370057085650QQihZ024QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 13:18.45 | ctooley | file, yeah, they picked Nuance for one of their products because the speech rec and TTS was "better", for whatever that means. |
| 13:18.50 | tzanger | that's the keyboard! too bad I can't get THAT keyboard in bluetooth |
| 13:19.13 | ctooley | tzanger, yeah, I had one of those, snapped it in half |
| 13:19.20 | tzanger | ctooley: heh I still have it somewhere |
| 13:20.43 | ctooley | I had a blue Visor too. |
| 13:21.02 | tzanger | I still have and use my TX |
| 13:21.03 | ctooley | I like my N800 much better |
| 13:21.12 | tzanger | N800 screen rocks, that is for sure |
| 13:21.32 | ctooley | And it runs Asterisk. :) |
| 13:21.57 | ctooley | which reminds me... I'll bet there's an OS update |
| 13:22.12 | tzanger | heh my bro's got an 800 |
| 13:22.20 | tzanger | I like it but I couldn't justify buying one yet |
| 13:22.47 | ctooley | I justified it by selling my 770 for about 2/3s the price of the 800 |
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| 13:23.01 | tzanger | heh |
| 13:25.49 | atis_work | ctooley: it really runs asterisk? |
| 13:26.13 | atis_work | ctooley: can you make use of built-in phone? |
| 13:26.35 | atis_work | i.e. answer incoming call from asterisk :p |
| 13:26.55 | ctooley | atis_work, Don't really know. Never really wanted Asterisk chewing up the batter. |
| 13:26.58 | atis_work | i wonder how phone is accessible from that one |
| 13:26.58 | ctooley | errr battery |
| 13:26.59 | tzanger | http://www.targus.com/UK/product_details.asp?sku=ACB31UK |
| 13:27.03 | tzanger | now THAT is interesting |
| 13:27.48 | tzanger | the dpad's on the wrong side but hey |
| 13:28.48 | ctooley | it looks like the Asterisk port might have disappeared. |
| 13:29.03 | ctooley | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2005-November/002002.html |
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| 13:33.39 | atis_work | ah, the N800 doesn't contain phone :( |
| 13:33.44 | tzanger | atis_work: no |
| 13:33.50 | tzanger | bt/wifi but no gsm :-) |
| 13:34.03 | tzanger | they should come out with an hsdpa sdio card |
| 13:34.04 | tzanger | :-) |
| 13:34.16 | atis_work | yeah |
| 13:34.16 | tzanger | speaking of that |
| 13:34.35 | tzanger | I have an x950d that rogers has decided to disable the gps on. I gotta find firmware for the damn thing |
| 13:35.21 | ctooley | There's supposed to be both CDMA and GSM cards being built for the N8X0 line. |
| 13:35.42 | ctooley | I'm not sure if they're going to be "data-only" cards or not thought. |
| 13:36.18 | ctooley | I know someone who's hacked their 770 to make the USB port be a USB Host instead of a USB client, and then hooked up a USB Sprint card to it. |
| 13:36.26 | ctooley | but it's data only. |
| 13:36.57 | tzanger | ctooley: I thought that the N700/N800 were usb OTG already |
| 13:36.59 | tzanger | no hacking required |
| 13:37.15 | tzanger | <-- knows one of the systems designers for the N770/800 |
| 13:37.21 | ctooley | I have used mine through the bluetooth on my cell phone to connect to the internet and used the SIP client to make a call. Sound was good. |
| 13:37.35 | tzanger | unfortunately knowing him wasn't enough to score a proto :-) |
| 13:37.45 | ctooley | tzanger, You have to "get root" on the box to flip the bit for the drive.r |
| 13:37.53 | tzanger | ctooley: ah |
| 13:38.16 | ctooley | They give you all the tools you need to get root on it, but as soon as you do... no support (warranty isn't voided though) |
| 13:39.06 | ctooley | I wanted to use them as mobile desks for a startup I was planning... never got around to looking for the funding though. :( |
| 13:39.41 | tzanger | ctooley: I like the concept of the devices... I *LOVE* the screens, I love that they're linux... but still I can't seem to get away from the fact that they're not laptops |
| 13:39.53 | tzanger | mind you, I am looking at high end phones now |
| 13:40.09 | ctooley | tzanger, that's what I had my last fold up keyboard for. |
| 13:40.23 | tzanger | iphone was a contender until I found out it was castrated wrt bluetooth. x1, touch diamond, glofish x600.. looking at them all |
| 13:40.27 | ctooley | MUCH nicer for in flight work than a huge laptop |
| 13:40.32 | tzanger | touch diamond is NICE |
| 13:40.48 | tzanger | ctooley: in-flight i have no issues with my 13.3" notebook in cargo (economy) class |
| 13:40.49 | ctooley | I love my Voyager |
| 13:41.11 | tzanger | voyager is 320x200 iirc |
| 13:41.20 | ctooley | But you're probably looking for something on that castrated mobile phone service type |
| 13:41.44 | tzanger | I'm just looking for something I can hack away at without hitting artificial barriers |
| 13:42.08 | tzanger | openmoko was in the running until they actually showed the ugliest effing phone I've ever seen in my life |
| 13:42.09 | atis_work | many are looking for that |
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| 13:42.38 | tzanger | htc touch diamond or the one with the kb (can't remember the name) are the current ones |
| 13:42.54 | tzanger | wipe wm6 off it, the android project's going pretty good, but I'm still nervous about it |
| 13:43.22 | russellb | i was thinking, hey, that might be fun to work on (android) ... but then it was java based |
| 13:43.24 | russellb | :-p |
| 13:43.49 | russellb | that was the end of that |
| 13:43.50 | tzanger | russellb: yes.. apparently they have linux running on the cdma htc phones now, with power management and cell working for sure |
| 13:43.53 | ctooley | There's nothing inherently wrong with Java. There's just a whole crapload of VB developers writing Java. |
| 13:43.55 | exvito | hi, i'm experiencing 1.4.20.1 hangups and have the 'show locks' output... can anybody point to a doc that explains its output ? (if reasonable for someone experienced with asterisk but not its internals)... TIA |
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| 13:43.57 | tzanger | so I'm still kind of confused as to what exactly diamond is |
| 13:44.00 | tzanger | er android |
| 13:44.33 | russellb | software to run on a cell phone? |
| 13:44.40 | russellb | ctooley: i know ... but it's really fun to troll on |
| 13:45.08 | tzanger | raphael and diamond, those are the two I'm really interested in from htc |
| 13:45.10 | ctooley | russellb, That's pretty much the response we get when people look at Armstrong, "ewww it's Java, it must be a pig." |
| 13:45.24 | russellb | ctooley: :( |
| 13:45.28 | tzanger | I am not a java coder, that's simply it. :-) |
| 13:45.38 | russellb | i'm not either. |
| 13:46.01 | ctooley | tzanger, me either.... it took me 30 minutes to write my first Armstrong call flow in Java though, with no help. |
| 13:46.12 | tzanger | ctooley: never heard of armstrong |
| 13:46.35 | russellb | simplified.org :) |
| 13:47.01 | ctooley | russellb, :) Thank you |
| 13:47.16 | ctooley | tzanger, it's a ExternalIVR() engine for Asterisk |
| 13:47.44 | tzanger | ah |
| 13:47.48 | tzanger | I've never needed anything like that |
| 13:48.00 | tzanger | straight dialplan logic is all I ever do, but my phone systems are admittedly never that complex |
| 13:48.03 | russellb | ExternalIVR is cool, we need to get more people using it |
| 13:48.21 | russellb | tzanger: it's cool for more advanced IVR apps |
| 13:48.42 | ctooley | It's really useful for when you need to do things asynchronously. |
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| 13:48.59 | tzanger | ? |
| 13:49.03 | russellb | yeah, like interrupting prompts |
| 13:49.16 | russellb | something happens, you need to say something else ... |
| 13:49.27 | russellb | either reading digits, or some external source of events |
| 13:49.28 | ctooley | russellb, well, more specifically interrupting prompts based on external event.s |
| 13:49.37 | russellb | (like, say, live bidding on ebay via the phone) |
| 13:49.42 | russellb | ctooley: right |
| 13:49.56 | russellb | defers to ctooley's expertise on the matter :) |
| 13:50.11 | ctooley | The version of 1.6.1 should be MUCH more complete. :) |
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| 13:50.36 | russellb | maybe we can get 1.6.0 out some day |
| 13:50.43 | russellb | so that 1.6.1 could eventually get released |
| 13:50.43 | russellb | heh |
| 13:51.04 | ctooley | I really want to get that protocol change in 1.6.0 so we don't have to support it in the entire 1.6 release cycle. |
| 13:51.24 | russellb | hmm |
| 13:51.31 | russellb | ok. |
| 13:51.42 | russellb | you're the maintainer, so if you say so ;) |
| 13:51.47 | ctooley | since, you know, 1.6.0 isn't released and no one should be using it. |
| 13:52.04 | ctooley | russellb, I'm not talking about putting all the features in, just the protocol change for the P message. |
| 13:52.18 | ctooley | Since it didn't exist in 1.4 at all anyway, it shouldn't be problematic. |
| 13:53.16 | ctooley | Because right now the P command (P,foo where foo is really irrelevant) responds with "P,TIMESTAMP,ivr://host:port|arg1|arg2|..." |
| 13:53.37 | ctooley | it should really be "P,TIMESTAMP,ivr://host:port,arg1,arg2" |
| 13:53.48 | ctooley | with arguments that contain commas quoted. |
| 13:54.31 | ctooley | It was only ever a | because that command has been in my version of app_externalivr.c since 1.2 |
| 13:55.03 | ctooley | Having it be a | makes it "odd" |
| 13:58.30 | exvito | hi devs (please state so if I'm not following the "etiquette" and the "rules" for the channel -- I don't mean to be rude/unapropriate)... can anyone point to a doc that explains the 'core show locks' output ? ...i'm experiencing hangs I'd like to diagnose. thanks in advance. |
| 13:59.15 | ctooley | exvito, I've not see said documentation except in the code. |
| 13:59.23 | ctooley | And I can't even tell you where that is. |
| 14:00.47 | exvito | hmmm, ok... thanks ctooley. |
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| 14:01.50 | exvito | ...I guess I'll then have to either try to understand it by myself and/or expect that someone knoledgable will be willing to take a peek at it... (already posted to the users list -- maybe I'll get some feedback). |
| 14:02.51 | russellb | exvito: pastebin it ... pastebin.ca |
| 14:02.56 | ctooley | exvito, it's a global community, someone able to answer you might not be on right now. |
| 14:02.58 | russellb | exvito: if you have a bug, post to bugs.digium.com |
| 14:03.12 | ctooley | exvito, or russellb might chime in. :) |
| 14:03.23 | russellb | I can't really explain what it means quickly. |
| 14:03.36 | exvito | ...I'm trying to obtain feedback before moving on to submiting it as a bug. I'll pastebin it... brb |
| 14:03.48 | russellb | To understand it, you have to understand multithreaded programming, and the use of locks to synchronize access to resources |
| 14:05.04 | russellb | I actually have considered writing a paper that describes locking for non-programmers... |
| 14:05.18 | russellb | i gave a short talk recently to a group on that topic, and it went well |
| 14:05.27 | exvito | http://pastebin.ca/1040402 |
| 14:05.30 | lmadsen | that'd be a handy doc I think |
| 14:05.45 | lmadsen | russellb: you could probably do that talk at AstriCon |
| 14:05.58 | exvito | (i have low level programming skills... i just don't know asterisk internals/arch/etc...) |
| 14:06.01 | russellb | hm, maybe as one of the lighting talks or whatever |
| 14:06.02 | lmadsen | even if it was just part of the Dev day |
| 14:06.11 | lmadsen | that usually Kevin hosts |
| 14:06.54 | lmadsen | that'd be a good forum since it's probably only about 15-20 mins of material |
| 14:07.39 | russellb | nods |
| 14:07.51 | russellb | exvito: there is a lot going on in that one. |
| 14:08.22 | russellb | exvito: but, I can see that thread "3076275088" is the one that is blocking a whole bunch of other threads |
| 14:08.27 | exvito | russellb: ...from our experience, effectively there should not be a lot happening (as in number of calls) |
| 14:08.30 | russellb | however, we need to use gdb to figure out what the problem is. |
| 14:09.15 | exvito | russellb: ok, should we force a core or should we in some way attatch gdb to the running instance ? |
| 14:09.23 | russellb | you can attach to asterisk and type "thread apply all bt", or you can use the contrib/scripts/ast_grab_core script to grab a core dump, and then use gdb on that |
| 14:09.28 | russellb | it's up to you |
| 14:09.35 | russellb | attaching works fine, but it locks up the process while you're doing it |
| 14:11.17 | exvito | russellb: I'm not versed in gdb, but I suspect that grabbing a core might fail... when asterisk hangs it does not respond to signals (neither TERM nor KILL) |
| 14:11.31 | russellb | ok, then let's go with attaching. |
| 14:11.43 | russellb | # gdb /usr/sbin/asterisk `pidof asterisk` |
| 14:11.48 | russellb | (gdb) thread apply all bt |
| 14:11.52 | russellb | and then save all of the output |
| 14:11.58 | russellb | actually ... (gdb) set pagination off |
| 14:12.00 | russellb | first |
| 14:12.19 | exvito | great... if thinks behave as they have in the last 1.5 days, the system should hang again within the next 4-6 hours... |
| 14:12.28 | russellb | ok |
| 14:12.36 | exvito | ...thanks a lot. :) |
| 14:12.42 | russellb | when it happens, grab both the show locks output, as well as that backtrace |
| 14:12.46 | russellb | and we'll see what's happening |
| 14:12.49 | exvito | sure |
| 14:12.54 | exvito | again, thanks. |
| 14:13.00 | russellb | also, for best results, you should compile with DONT_OPTIMIZE turned on |
| 14:13.09 | russellb | otherwise, the backtraces from gdb can be all screwed up ... |
| 14:13.42 | exvito | ok, we'll get to it right away (and see if we can get a time slot for restart!) |
| 14:14.11 | ctooley | exvito, it'd probably be best if you got that data _during_ a hang. |
| 14:14.39 | ctooley | That's going to be the most useful output as it will show what's happening to cause the locks. |
| 14:14.41 | russellb | well, the debug info yes, but reinstalling with DONT_OPTIMIZE can be done now :) |
| 14:14.41 | exvito | ctooley: ...of course, I mean will recompile with DONT_OPTIMIZE right away ! |
| 14:14.49 | ctooley | exvito, ah, ok |
| 14:15.12 | exvito | thanks a lot guys... (I'll update the mailing list thread) |
| 14:15.23 | russellb | you're quite welcome |
| 14:15.30 | russellb | thanks for being patient as we work on figuring out your bug |
| 14:16.37 | seanbright | i am about to say something that you are going to hate... |
| 14:16.46 | *** mode/#asterisk-dev [+b %seanbright!*@*] by russellb |
| 14:16.48 | russellb | no you're not |
| 14:16.52 | seanbright | heh |
| 14:16.52 | ctooley | :) |
| 14:16.53 | *** mode/#asterisk-dev [-o seanbright] by russellb |
| 14:16.56 | russellb | there |
| 14:17.13 | *** mode/#asterisk-dev [-b %seanbright!*@*] by russellb |
| 14:17.16 | seanbright | i was running latest 1.4 from svn in production this morning and got all locked up (i know, not helpful) |
| 14:17.18 | *** mode/#asterisk-dev [+o seanbright] by russellb |
| 14:17.26 | russellb | seanbright: that is very sad |
| 14:17.31 | seanbright | i hadn't compiled with DONT_OPTIMIZE or DEBUG_THREADS or any of that |
| 14:17.39 | seanbright | so i can't provide useful feedback |
| 14:17.47 | seanbright | but i had to downgrade to 1.4.20.1 |
| 14:17.51 | ctooley | seanbright, you're right, helpful. :) |
| 14:17.58 | russellb | that's the 2nd time i have heard that ... |
| 14:17.59 | russellb | hmm |
| 14:18.08 | exvito | ...russellb: sure (I've worked in HA support for quite a few years...) ;-) cheers |
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| 14:18.29 | russellb | seanbright: well, if you can get any info, please let me know |
| 14:18.51 | seanbright | russellb: will do... we only do zap and sip here |
| 14:18.58 | seanbright | russellb: if that helps to narrow it down at all. |
| 14:19.03 | russellb | ok ... the last person blamed it on iax2 ... |
| 14:19.06 | seanbright | heh |
| 14:19.07 | seanbright | doh |
| 14:19.15 | russellb | might be a problem in the core, then |
| 14:19.16 | russellb | we shall see |
| 14:20.05 | seanbright | realizes he hasn't kicked anyone since getting op;d |
| 14:20.10 | seanbright | looks around |
| 14:20.20 | tzanger | hahaha |
| 14:20.30 | tzanger | hides behind file or directory or softlink or whatever his name is today |
| 14:20.40 | *** kick/#asterisk-dev [seanbright!n=russell@asterisk/developer-and-stable-maintainer/drumkilla] by russellb (preemptive attack) |
| 14:20.45 | ctooley | hehehehe |
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| 14:20.55 | seanbright | is the bigger man, obviously. |
| 14:20.56 | seanbright | :) |
| 14:21.05 | russellb | zing |
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| 14:21.12 | russellb | eeeeeeeeeeep |
| 14:21.17 | russellb | hides from kpfleming|laptop |
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| 14:21.29 | seanbright | dude... pipes in nicks are hawt. |
| 14:21.30 | tzanger | Herr Fleming |
| 14:21.33 | tzanger | Wie gets? |
| 14:21.35 | ctooley | hides in the crowd |
| 14:21.45 | file | kpfleming|laptop: quick! hide from tzanger |
| 14:21.55 | russellb | it's a trap! |
| 14:21.59 | seanbright | 'pipes in nicks' would also be a cool band namee |
| 14:22.03 | tzanger | I don't need him anymore, file, I talk to Mr. Spiceland now :-) |
| 14:22.12 | file | tzanger: hawt |
| 14:22.15 | ctooley | And we wonder why he hasn't been in here for a while... with a greeting like that it's no wonder. |
| 14:23.47 | kpfleming|laptop | i have not had reliable (or inexpensive) net access in about 10 days, that's why |
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| 14:24.24 | ctooley | congratulates kpfleming|laptop on getting a vacation |
| 14:24.33 | kpfleming|laptop | yes, it was quite nice |
| 14:24.34 | kpfleming|laptop | thanks |
| 14:24.41 | seanbright | kpfleming|laptop: back to work! |
| 14:24.43 | seanbright | :) |
| 14:24.53 | tzanger | kpfleming|laptop: inexpensive isn't an issue, it's all on the company bill. :-) |
| 14:25.08 | ctooley | BTW russellb, kpfleming|laptop was the one that told me that I couldn't make the change to the EIVR protocol |
| 14:25.29 | russellb | okie dokie |
| 14:25.48 | ctooley | would still like it changed. :) |
| 14:26.04 | kpfleming|laptop | not without adding versioning so the connected application knows what is going on and can use the old protocol if it wants to |
| 14:26.13 | russellb | the official place to discuss such a thing and arrive at a decision is the -dev list, feel free to post there |
| 14:26.21 | kpfleming|laptop | tzanger: no, most of this was vacation... internet access at $30 per day is just excessive |
| 14:26.29 | tzanger | ahh |
| 14:26.40 | ctooley | kpfleming|laptop, except that nothing is using that command as it never existed before the unreleased 1.6.0 |
| 14:26.49 | tzanger | oh, and congrats on the wedding; I found out by watchign your wife's presentation :-) |
| 14:27.03 | kpfleming|laptop | yeah, that was awesome |
| 14:27.07 | kpfleming|laptop | ctooley: which command? |
| 14:27.23 | ctooley | The P command |
| 14:28.06 | kpfleming|laptop | ok, i don't remember the discussion, sorry i can't comment more lucidly :) |
| 14:28.11 | seanbright | installs Windows XP SP3 |
| 14:28.17 | seanbright | don't hate. |
| 14:28.32 | ctooley | There's a new command, which made it into 1.6.0, but the response from Asterisk uses pipes where it should use commas. |
| 14:28.34 | ctooley | that's it. |
| 14:28.48 | ctooley | Because right now the P command (P,foo where foo is really irrelevant) responds with "P,TIMESTAMP,ivr://host:port|arg1|arg2|..." |
| 14:28.54 | ctooley | it should really be "P,TIMESTAMP,ivr://host:port,arg1,arg2" |
| 14:29.08 | kpfleming|laptop | ahh |
| 14:29.18 | kpfleming|laptop | so this would be a protocol change between 1.6.0-betaX and 1.6.0 |
| 14:29.23 | ctooley | kpfleming|laptop, yes |
| 14:29.29 | kpfleming|laptop | i think i could live with that, as long as it is documented well |
| 14:29.50 | ctooley | goes off to get the patch ready before kpfleming|laptop changes his mind. :) |
| 14:30.05 | ctooley | Needs to go into some sort of Changelog file too? |
| 14:30.13 | kpfleming|laptop | UPGRADE, probably |
| 14:30.28 | kpfleming|laptop | and the existing entry in CHANGES can be updated to show the new protocol |
| 14:30.43 | ctooley | k |
| 14:30.54 | ctooley | docs/externalivr.txt will get updated too |
| 14:31.29 | seanbright | russellb: i think its locking up in the DEADLOCK_AVOIDANCE macro |
| 14:31.29 | seanbright | ;-) |
| 14:31.31 | russellb | seanbright: seriously? or are you trolling. |
| 14:31.38 | seanbright | just trolling. sorry. |
| 14:31.43 | seanbright | i'll get back OT |
| 14:31.44 | russellb | k |
| 14:32.04 | russellb | just keep in mind what serious problems like that do to my stress level / blood pressure :) |
| 14:32.20 | seanbright | noted. |
| 14:33.25 | file | please do not shorten Russell's lifespan... |
| 14:33.38 | seanbright | 23 is too young to have blood pressure problems |
| 14:34.11 | russellb | heh |
| 14:34.32 | russellb | dedication to the project has good sides and bad sides |
| 14:34.59 | seanbright | you should start smoking, it'll take the edge off |
| 14:35.00 | seanbright | ;) |
| 14:35.08 | ctooley | russellb, so does marriage. |
| 14:35.12 | russellb | that is _terrible_ advice |
| 14:35.16 | russellb | ctooley: O.O |
| 14:35.23 | seanbright | russellb: thank you. |
| 14:35.33 | tzanger | heh |
| 14:35.38 | ctooley | seanbright, and yet... it's true |
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| 14:35.52 | seanbright | there. |
| 14:35.56 | seanbright | finally kicked someone. |
| 14:37.58 | tzanger | it'd be neat if you could recursively kick |
| 14:38.16 | russellb | ponders what a recursive kick would be |
| 14:38.29 | ctooley | tzanger, you mean kick the owner of the channel and everyone else gets kicked too? |
| 14:39.00 | agx | ctooley, perhaps kick ChanServ first... |
| 14:39.41 | ctooley | just add a "kickban ircd from host" |
| 14:39.42 | ctooley | :) |
| 14:41.47 | seanbright | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.58 | seanbright | why does the main menuselect menu have numbers |
| 14:45.13 | russellb | eh? |
| 14:45.29 | russellb | for the heck of it, i guess |
| 14:45.34 | russellb | because that's how i felt like writing it, damnit! |
| 14:45.35 | russellb | :-p |
| 14:45.55 | ctooley | http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=12804 |
| 14:46.12 | ctooley | patch is uploading now... it's... huge |
| 14:46.35 | ctooley | done |
| 14:46.48 | ctooley | 1,886 bytes. :) |
| 14:49.52 | seanbright | russellb: :D |
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| 15:17.54 | jpeeler | are thread local storage allocations freed automatically? |
| 15:19.11 | Corydon76-dig | jpeeler: yes |
| 15:23.39 | kpfleming|laptop | well, sort of |
| 15:23.52 | kpfleming|laptop | they are because we attach a callback function to the pthread key that does the destruction when the thread is being torn down |
| 15:25.13 | Corydon76-dig | kpfleming|laptop: wb |
| 15:34.38 | russellb | jpeeler: the destructor is provided as an argument to the AST_THREADSTORAGE() macro |
| 15:35.29 | jpeeler | russellb: so if you don't provide one? |
| 15:35.48 | russellb | jpeeler: then no function will get called. |
| 15:36.05 | russellb | and if the thread-local data is a pointer to a malloc'd block of memory, it will be a memory leak |
| 15:36.33 | jpeeler | well then i need to fix that |
| 15:36.38 | russellb | ;-) |
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| 15:59.43 | Corydon76-dig | jmls!! |
| 16:00.02 | Corydon76-dig | I have a new feature for you to test |
| 16:00.17 | Corydon76-dig | (res_config_curl) |
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| 16:26.12 | jmls | Corydon76-dig: pong .. |
| 16:26.27 | Corydon76-dig | jmls: adaptive realtime |
| 16:27.14 | Corydon76-dig | a method to tell the database what columns Asterisk requires |
| 16:27.45 | Corydon76-dig | and you can do whatever on the backend... like add the columns if they don't already exist |
| 16:29.28 | jmls | cool |
| 16:29.39 | jmls | a 1.4 port ? |
| 16:29.42 | jmls | ;) |
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| 16:31.47 | ctooley | Yay, finally got OpenSER to loop a call to Asterisk. That only took almost 3 weeks. |
| 16:32.24 | Corydon76-dig | jmls: Sorry, no |
| 16:33.01 | ctooley | has the rest of the day off, going to go do something fun, like mow the yard. |
| 16:34.08 | Corydon76-dig | ctooley: in the noonday heat? |
| 16:34.31 | Corydon76-dig | ctooley: if you had the lights, you might consider doing that after dark |
| 16:34.55 | jmls | must get onto 1.6 somehow ... |
| 16:35.21 | Corydon76-dig | jmls: it's trunk-only for the time being. It won't hit until 1.6.1, which isn't yet branched |
| 16:35.23 | ctooley | Corydon76-dig, I am going to just get a new robomower. I had one and loved it. But, for today I have to do it in the heat because it's way too high already and it's going to rain again tonight and all weekend long. |
| 16:35.38 | Corydon76-dig | Ah... |
| 16:36.02 | jmls | Then I must somehow find a need for a third * server (production, 1.4 testing and 1.6 evaluation ..) |
| 16:36.25 | Corydon76-dig | Well, you're the boss, right? |
| 16:36.35 | jmls | weeelllllllllll, sort of |
| 16:37.21 | jmls | I am the second largest shareholder despite years of plotting and scheming |
| 16:37.23 | jmls | ;) |
| 16:37.34 | Corydon76-dig | Heh |
| 16:37.45 | jmls | is not a good devious person |
| 16:38.14 | jmls | that's why I'm not allowed out of the cave to see clients. I'm too honest :p |
| 16:38.23 | jmls | (oh, and a techie) |
| 16:39.59 | Corydon76-dig | Heh, I always enjoyed being trotted out as the senior tech person at my last job |
| 16:40.32 | jmls | wishes that he was trotted out more often. perhaps it's the aftershave ... |
| 16:41.32 | jmls | oh, speaking of 1.6 .. |
| 16:41.41 | Corydon76-dig | Mostly it was the day out of the office |
| 16:42.02 | jmls | was there any resolution to the fact that 1.4 execif in the dialplan cannot be used in 1.6 ? |
| 16:42.15 | Corydon76-dig | Eh? |
| 16:42.30 | Corydon76-dig | The syntax changed, as noted in the UPGRADE.txt |
| 16:42.42 | jmls | yeah, which buggered up the dialplan |
| 16:43.00 | Corydon76-dig | Hmmm |
| 16:43.11 | jmls | it makes swapping between 1.4 and 1.6 problematical |
| 16:43.12 | Corydon76-dig | I'll look at adding a deprecated parse mode, then |
| 16:44.06 | jmls | is there such a thing as a conditional include in the dialplan ? |
| 16:44.22 | jmls | knows the answer, just being devil's advocate |
| 16:45.05 | jmls | ;#if ver == 1.6 then exten => foo,bar,ExecIf() |
| 16:45.23 | jmls | ;#else exten=> foo,bar,Execif(1,4) |
| 16:46.16 | jmls | crap. forget it. bad idea |
| 16:46.29 | jmls | thinks that he could grab the line from curl (the backend would supply the correct syntax) |
| 16:46.48 | jmls | that would work |
| 16:47.03 | jmls | so would the deprecated parse mode :) |
| 16:48.09 | Corydon76-dig | jmls: you could use IFMODULE to check for a module that exists only in 1.6 |
| 16:49.48 | jmls | isn't that a 1.6 function ? |
| 16:50.29 | jmls | kinda buggers trying to test that in 1.4 ;) |
| 16:52.05 | Corydon76-dig | Oh |
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| 17:02.39 | Corydon76-dig | jmls: Well, we couldn't do conditional includes, anyway, as those aren't in 1.4, either |
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| 17:14.30 | jmls | Corydon76-dig: you *could* if you were to do some nasty stuff: |
| 17:15.09 | jmls | ;#IF ${VER}==1.6 THEN |
| 17:15.28 | jmls | ;dialplan line |
| 17:15.31 | jmls | ;ELSE |
| 17:15.43 | jmls | ExecIf |
| 17:16.01 | tzafrir_laptop | == ? |
| 17:16.01 | jmls | so 1.4 would ignore the commented lines |
| 17:16.11 | tzafrir_laptop | what about 1.6.1 or 1.8? |
| 17:16.28 | jmls | 1.6 would use the "dialplan line" and ignore the line after the ELSE |
| 17:16.39 | jmls | ${VER} > 1.6 |
| 17:16.53 | jmls | told you it was nasty |
| 17:17.28 | tzafrir_laptop | ";" begins a comment. "#" begins a directive processed by the configuration reader |
| 17:17.39 | tzafrir_laptop | (that is: not specific to the dialplan) |
| 17:17.57 | tzafrir_laptop | And both won't be really in place if you use ael |
| 17:22.22 | codefreeze-lap | in other words, an asterisk global var avail in dp called ASTERISK_VERSION, would have been a good thing, if we had made it avail in 1.2... |
| 17:23.02 | tzafrir_laptop | and if it has an empty value? |
| 17:23.54 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: should be a function |
| 17:23.55 | tzafrir_laptop | What is the problem with that? numerical comarision? |
| 17:24.12 | codefreeze-lap | If we insert in trunk right now, and it shows up in 1.6.0 or above, then if it's blank, it's a version previous to that... |
| 17:24.13 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: with multiple argument values... (base_version) and (revision) |
| 17:24.39 | Corydon76-dig | Things that can be compared |
| 17:24.56 | Corydon76-dig | Individually, I mean |
| 17:25.25 | Corydon76-dig | revision alone won't do it, and version alone won't do it |
| 17:25.31 | codefreeze-lap | OK, a func that returns a num... we could also encode the number 001006000 |
| 17:25.52 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: what number do you put on trunk? |
| 17:25.53 | tzafrir_laptop | What happens if you use an undefined function? vs. a non-existing global? |
| 17:26.14 | codefreeze-lap | yeah... then you'd need svn rev. |
| 17:26.29 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: I was thinking base_version would be 1.2, 1.4, 1.6, etc... |
| 17:26.43 | Corydon76-dig | or "team/tilghman/project_foo" |
| 17:27.03 | codefreeze-lap | or "trunk", right? |
| 17:27.05 | Corydon76-dig | and then the revision ON TOP of the base_version tells you what you need to know |
| 17:27.10 | Corydon76-dig | right |
| 17:27.18 | codefreeze-lap | makes sense. |
| 17:27.59 | codefreeze-lap | 'cause rev 101101 could be in trunk, 1.4, 1.2, etc. |
| 17:28.05 | Corydon76-dig | right |
| 17:29.01 | codefreeze-lap | hmmm. but if we canonicalize release nums, they will be easy to compare with a simple <=, etc |
| 17:29.46 | jmls | takes a seat in the back, watching the bun fight he started .. |
| 17:30.15 | tzafrir_laptop | But what value would you give to "trunk"? |
| 17:30.30 | jmls | 99999999999999999 |
| 17:30.32 | jmls | ;) |
| 17:30.44 | codefreeze-lap | Actually, I was thinking that when it appeared! |
| 17:31.09 | codefreeze-lap | but, I hope not to need so many 9's |
| 17:31.43 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: and what value would you give to a developer branch? |
| 17:32.15 | Corydon76-dig | There is method to my madness |
| 17:32.24 | jmls | the same number as the branch it came from |
| 17:33.28 | jmls | after all, it's the dp we are talking about. I *doubt* someone is going to need to check in the dialplan for a function that is only available in that particular branch |
| 17:33.53 | codefreeze-lap | I see the method in the madness. Lessee, one string for the branch/tag/trunk, another for the svn rev # |
| 17:35.07 | Corydon76-dig | jmls: fished your wish |
| 17:35.16 | Corydon76-dig | s/fished/finished/ |
| 17:35.22 | jmls | heh |
| 17:35.38 | jmls | thought that it was some strange dev-speak for something ... |
| 17:35.57 | Corydon76-dig | jmls: Children's card game: "Go Fish!" |
| 17:36.17 | codefreeze-lap | Corydon76-dig: what's the func, then, and it'll be intrunk / 1.6.0? |
| 17:36.37 | Corydon76-dig | It's the answer to "Go Fish!", if drawing a card meant you picked the card you asked for. |
| 17:37.06 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: previous wish. ExecIf deprecated syntax will work in 1.6.0 |
| 17:37.28 | Corydon76-dig | It's what started this whole topic |
| 17:37.31 | jmls | Corydon76-dig: that's fantastic. helps a lot ;) |
| 17:37.53 | Corydon76-dig | jmls: had a false start, which I detected during testing |
| 17:38.32 | jmls | call yourself a developer ? You found a bug ? during testing ? |
| 17:38.54 | jmls | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.57 | Corydon76-dig | I'm getting better about testing... |
| 17:39.09 | jmls | I'm getting bitter about testing... |
| 17:39.15 | Corydon76-dig | Wait, I shouldn't say that.... <knock on wood> |
| 17:39.41 | jmls | ouch. that hurt |
| 17:39.53 | russellb | blinks |
| 17:41.06 | Corydon76-dig | Everytime I say "I'm getting better at..." or "I'm a master at...", I get bitten. |
| 17:41.37 | Corydon76-dig | needs to learn to stop doing that |
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| 18:14.03 | seanbright | really needs to quit his job |
| 18:14.10 | seanbright | before he goes *insane* |
| 18:19.03 | Corydon76-dig | seanbright: what is it that you do? |
| 18:19.17 | seanbright | Corydon76-dig: jack of all trades lately |
| 18:19.33 | seanbright | Corydon76-dig: .NET development, maintain the phone system |
| 18:19.36 | Corydon76-dig | Master of none? |
| 18:19.43 | seanbright | Corydon76-dig: basically. |
| 18:19.59 | seanbright | but we have this subtenant |
| 18:20.00 | Corydon76-dig | Binfone is local to you... see if they need another Asterisk engineer |
| 18:20.15 | seanbright | and they (up until today) had 1 extension |
| 18:20.16 | seanbright | 1701 |
| 18:20.38 | seanbright | so i get an e-mail "can we make it so that when the customer presses 3 from the main menu they get me?" |
| 18:21.11 | seanbright | and then today he has me add 1702 and 1703, and their "1 digit" extensions to 1 and 2 respectively |
| 18:21.24 | seanbright | and on some planet, that makes any type of sense to him |
| 18:22.37 | seanbright | and these are the types of things i am tasked to deal with on a minute by minute basis |
| 18:22.47 | seanbright | which makes me want to kill myself |
| 18:23.13 | seanbright | and that is my story |
| 18:23.16 | seanbright | bows |
| 18:25.13 | Corydon76-dig | http://flyderrie-air.com/ |
| 18:28.01 | atis_work | seanbright: at least it's better that trying to figure out how to split unanswered queue calls by agent offices :D |
| 18:28.23 | seanbright | atis_work: that type of stuff is fun |
| 18:28.57 | seanbright | atis_work: mindlessly adding extensions and creating phone trees is like having your fingernails pulled out |
| 18:29.49 | atis_work | well, but you can create interface for typical tasks and actually do nothing.. i mean code something unrelated to job :) |
| 18:30.19 | seanbright | atis_work: no no, they won't go for that. i can't spend time on stuff like that. |
| 18:30.42 | seanbright | atis_work: "why spend time building an interface when you can just do it manually?" |
| 18:31.02 | seanbright | the big picture is kinda lost on these guys |
| 18:31.08 | atis_work | damn |
| 18:31.19 | atis_work | i would create interface without them knowing that |
| 18:34.16 | seanbright | atis_work: yeah. i probably should. |
| 18:34.28 | seanbright | atis_work: it is easier to bitch and moan about it though :) |
| 18:34.38 | atis_work | :) |
| 18:42.08 | Corydon76-dig | Some people apparently need to ask the same question repeatedly, on the -dev list. |
| 18:42.27 | seanbright | what is it this time? |
| 18:42.34 | Corydon76-dig | Venefax |
| 18:43.23 | seanbright | ah |
| 18:43.27 | seanbright | dont_optimize |
| 18:43.30 | philippel | Corydon76-dig ping |
| 18:43.36 | Corydon76-dig | He asked how to set DONT_OPTIMIZE without running 'make menuselect' both yesterday, which Russell answered, and today, to which I referred him to Russell's post. |
| 18:43.48 | Corydon76-dig | Apparently, he can't be bothered to remember one day to the next |
| 18:44.02 | seanbright | heh |
| 18:44.18 | seanbright | you and your unrealistic unexpectations |
| 18:44.46 | Corydon76-dig | Or worse, he thought the answer might change. |
| 18:45.29 | philippel | Corydon76-dig concerning #0012801 - that was reported to you. I pasted the FreePBX code that gest generated for your convenience in case it helps, but it looks like the original coder wrote some custom asterisk dialplan to provide you feedback that has nothing to do with FreePBX, so something is up on his system |
| 18:45.37 | Corydon76-dig | Thankfully, I didn't see that it was him who asked yesterday until after I hit Send, or I would have gone off |
| 18:45.42 | seanbright | M12801 |
| 18:45.44 | MuffinMan | [feedback] [Asterisk] Functions/func_timeout 0012801: Digit timeout giving negative values reported by xieliwei (Karma: neutral) http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=12801 |
| 18:46.08 | philippel | Corydon76-dig btw - FreePBX doesn't patch any Asterisk code, some of the distro-s out there do but we don't even supply Asterisk |
| 18:46.33 | Corydon76-dig | philippel: then I agree, it's something peculiar to his system |
| 18:47.10 | seanbright | M12801#last |
| 18:47.11 | MuffinMan | [12801#0087907] Commented by Corydon76 on 06-06-08 at 13:02: The only thing I can think of is that they're patching Asterisk in some way that is incompatible. Please report this to FreePBX, as this is clearly not a problem in Asterisk alone. |
| 18:47.11 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 18:47.12 | MuffinMan | ..Unless you can reproduce this in plain Asterisk (NOT FreePBX), then I'm going to have to close this issue. |
| 18:47.16 | seanbright | booyah |
| 18:47.17 | seanbright | heh |
| 18:47.33 | seanbright | (sorry) |
| 18:47.34 | Corydon76-dig | I'll leave it open until Monday. If he can't create a reproduceable problem, the bug will be closed. |
| 18:49.05 | philippel | Corydon76-dig btw, there are a couple hundred people at least on 1.6 with FreePBX, so if others were seeing something like that (meaning IVRs not working and what not) I suspect there would be more noise ... |
| 18:50.10 | Corydon76-dig | philippel: I can't imagine what would cause this, though |
| 18:50.43 | Corydon76-dig | Version skew, perhaps |
| 18:51.36 | Corydon76-dig | Something he's not telling us |
| 18:51.52 | philippel | He is running SVN Head on Asterisk I believe, who knows what he might be patching - but even then, to come out with a negative and floating point number when it all goes in as integers ... it is very odd |
| 18:52.35 | Corydon76-dig | philippel: well, they're now expressed in milliseconds in the core |
| 18:52.49 | philippel | yeah I was just looking and noticed that after writing the above |
| 18:53.17 | Corydon76-dig | and we convert to seconds for backward compat |
| 18:54.15 | Corydon76-dig | those numbers don't make sense in terms of an overflow or underflow, either |
| 18:54.50 | Corydon76-dig | embedded system with 2-byte integers, maybe |
| 18:54.59 | philippel | 0xFFFFFFFFFFDF3B65 |
| 18:55.00 | Corydon76-dig | Even then... |
| 18:55.03 | philippel | yeah was just looking at that |
| 18:55.13 | philippel | that is his 0 in hex |
| 18:55.38 | Corydon76-dig | Yeah, makes no sense |
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| 19:57.50 | anonymouz666 | channel.c: Dropping voice to exceptionally long queue on Zap/3 - what could cause this? |
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| 20:00.54 | Corydon76-dig | anonymouz666: it means the channel is not getting serviced |
| 20:01.20 | Corydon76-dig | Generally that means a deadlock situation |
| 20:01.39 | anonymouz666 | that's right the box freeze. |
| 20:01.43 | Corydon76-dig | or a hardware lockup |
| 20:02.24 | anonymouz666 | the channel must be services by a channel driver, so could be channel driver fault? |
| 20:02.29 | anonymouz666 | serviced |
| 20:03.18 | Corydon76-dig | Correct |
| 20:03.47 | Corydon76-dig | or a kernel thread lock |
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| 20:58.08 | Wangster | For some reason I can't get make menuselect to run (can't find curses). Where do I manually set "DONT_OPTIMIZE" ? |
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| 20:58.32 | Wangster | is it: Makefile.rules OPTIMIZE?=-O6 ? What should that be changed to so it is like "DONT_OPTIMIZE" ? |
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| 21:01.01 | seanbright | Wangster: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-dev/2008-June/033432.html |
| 21:01.21 | seanbright | actually, that won't even help since you can't run menuselect |
| 21:01.30 | seanbright | do you have ncurses-devel installed? |
| 21:02.55 | Wangster | seanbright: yes. both ncurses and the -devel are installed. |
| 21:03.36 | seanbright | well, that link i sent you would work, just not the first part |
| 21:03.54 | seanbright | everything after "Alternatively" in that post should help you out |
| 21:04.28 | Wangster | seanbright: thanks. I'll try that now. |
| 21:04.32 | seanbright | cool |
| 21:04.48 | Wangster | So far I have not been able to get it to generate a core file. |
| 21:07.55 | lmadsen | make sure you do a 'make distclean' before you run ./configure again if you installed ncurses-devel after the initial 'make menuselect' was run |
| 21:11.38 | Wangster | lmadsen: aha! that did it |
| 21:11.50 | Wangster | make clean is not enough |
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