| 00:00.11 | atis_home | jtodd: you really woke me up :p it's 3am here :) |
| 00:00.40 | tzafrir_laptop | jtodd, you don't build a concesus by voting |
| 00:00.49 | jtodd | file: there's a talk from Brian Degenhardt on CEL (and maybe with Murf, if he wants to help give that talk - no reply yet), Leif is doing his clustering talk, Jason Parker on Open Source advantages, but then that's it from Digium. |
| 00:00.58 | Corydon76-lap | jtodd: I'll think about it on the drive home. You going to be on later? |
| 00:00.59 | tzafrir_laptop | A discussion should raise all relevant opinions |
| 00:01.13 | jtodd | tzafrir_laptop: Yes, that's why we should never use voting or consider it as a valid method for development processes. |
| 00:01.23 | atis_home | jtodd: regarding topic - perhaps such design issues could be discussed in -users list, if they require user viewpoint? |
| 00:01.40 | file | jtodd: I could swing a T.38 and faxing in Asterisk one if you'd like |
| 00:02.25 | jtodd | atis_home: Indeed, that is a good point. However, we also should be careful to limit those discussions to things which truly do create an issue for users otherwise we risk "building a bikeshed". (see video link in history above) |
| 00:02.26 | tzafrir_laptop | I don't think that such issues are really on-topic on the users list. RFC, maybe. But the real discussion, if you don't want it to spread too wide, should remain in the dev list |
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| 00:02.46 | jtodd | Corydon76-lap: Yes, I'll probably be around later this PM. |
| 00:03.06 | tzafrir_laptop | If someone cares about it from -users, he really should subscribe to -dev (or come to #-dev) |
| 00:03.08 | atis_home | jtodd: already watched that before sleep, quite good :) i just didn't understood - what's a bikeshed |
| 00:03.17 | Corydon76-lap | Okay, I'll be back on in about 2 hours, give or take |
| 00:03.35 | atis_home | well, i'm subscribed to both, as -dev is interesting sometimes |
| 00:04.38 | atis_home | user list would be good for asking about outside of features, as users will be those who will use that |
| 00:04.44 | tzafrir_laptop | Design discussions are boring |
| 00:05.10 | jtodd | atis_home: The bikeshed analogy goes two ways, actually. One is that small changes will invite a cacophony of inputs since everyone has an opinion on how easy things should be done. This is not a bad thing, but should be invited when there is not a clear reason for changing something. The downside of the bikeshed analogy is the opposite end: a very complex thing (nuclear power plant) will just get approved since nobody understands the implication |
| 00:05.10 | jtodd | s or design. That is bad. |
| 00:05.41 | atis_home | oh, yes, true :) |
| 00:06.11 | atis_home | however after discussing with users, discussion can be moved to -dev and some things thrown out |
| 00:06.48 | atis_home | ok, perhaps it's not correct what i said about "thrown out", but some compromises found |
| 00:07.10 | tzafrir_laptop | atis_home, design discussions will be simply boring and noone on -uusers will follow them (except those already subscribed to -dev) |
| 00:07.27 | codefreeze-lap | jtodd: murf here... reply to what? |
| 00:07.42 | atis_home | if users will start participating in discussions, you should be able to see general lines for what would be best for most of them |
| 00:07.42 | tzafrir_laptop | with one exception: when we'll be designing the bike shed, there will be a lively discussion |
| 00:07.50 | jtodd | file: yes, a faxing and T.38 discussion would be very useful - I think a lot of people want to use Asterisk with faxing, but don't quite understand the shortcomings or methods. |
| 00:08.09 | jtodd | codefreeze-lap: Please see your mail. :-) Want to help with a talk on CEL? |
| 00:08.34 | file | jtodd: k |
| 00:09.08 | JackEStorm | jtodd: that fact, was easy to understand, deal with, and work around, but then again, thats me. Faxing that is. |
| 00:09.12 | atis_home | ok, i''m just throwing ideas :) |
| 00:09.50 | tzafrir_laptop | atis_home, there is no "most". There is "most vocal" |
| 00:10.01 | atis_home | true |
| 00:10.08 | codefreeze-lap | Sure... I'm willing to help. I looked for a letter from you... nothing. |
| 00:10.29 | tzafrir_laptop | It is indeed good for RFC: for getting ideas for discussions |
| 00:11.40 | codefreeze-lap | jtodd: oops, forgot to mention your handle: Sure... I'm willing to help. I looked for a letter from you... nothing. |
| 00:13.02 | atis_home | huh, Tilghman just left.. wanted to ask him for reply :p |
| 00:13.36 | atis_home | btw, have anybody else followed thread regarding Macro's in 1.6? |
| 00:13.49 | jtodd | tzafrir_laptop: I disagree with your comment on there being only "most vocal". I think that it is a mistake to make code changes based _only_ on those who are the most vocal is a dangerous concept. |
| 00:14.22 | tzafrir_laptop | jtodd, but in a discussion, this is what you'll hear |
| 00:14.23 | atis_home | this also is one that makes me feel uncomfortable. Seems that Tilghman and me are the only ones discussing this |
| 00:14.27 | jtodd | I suppose "most vocal" has to be turned into more discreet elements. Quantity and quality of comments in vocalizations need to be considered in all equations. |
| 00:14.51 | tzafrir_laptop | Which is why I said -users is not the place for discussions |
| 00:14.52 | atis_home | it would be good if i would hear at least some more No's from other devs |
| 00:17.02 | tzafrir_laptop | atis_home, try such an experiment. But I would actually recommend you to wait for a while with it |
| 00:17.18 | jtodd | OK, I've got to get back to my spider hole here and complete this Astricon stuff. I keep saying that, but there's good discussion here. I'll summarize to the -dev list on some of these comments. |
| 00:17.31 | tzafrir_laptop | In the following week you may actually not be able to get a flame-free discussion even in -dev :-( |
| 00:18.21 | atis_home | tzafrir_laptop: try what? i don't mind flame, as i try not participate in it. if few devs would say me "no" it would be ok |
| 00:18.22 | tzafrir_laptop | And that will make it easier for nay-sayers like me to tell you "I told you so" |
| 00:20.07 | atis_home | it was just the thing that didn't feel right to me, i wanted some discussion, but seems that nobody wants to take any participation. |
| 00:20.39 | atis_home | could be that this is also why -dev is so silent |
| 01:05.42 | jsmith | codefreeze: You happen to be around? I think I've found a bug in the dialplan parser (with regards to pattern matching) |
| 01:06.08 | jsmith | (or any other devs for that matter) |
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| 01:37.01 | Juggie | no |
| 01:40.25 | jsmith | Juggie: maybe? |
| 01:41.23 | seanbright | mayhaps |
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| 02:11.52 | Corydon76-dig | is back |
| 02:12.33 | Corydon76-dig | just got a thank you note from his nephew... for 2 tshirthell tshirts |
| 02:12.53 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Welcome back! |
| 02:12.56 | Corydon76-dig | First one actually written by my nephew and not by his mother |
| 02:21.27 | Corydon76-dig | Last year at PhreakNIC, I had the best title for my talk... "Dr. NonProfit (or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the IRS)" |
| 02:27.00 | jtodd | Sounds like the titles to some of my Asterisk talks. I think the second titles were something like "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Dialtone". I did not, however, do the talks from a wheelchair in dark glasses. |
| 02:27.59 | Corydon76-dig | with a German accent? |
| 02:28.38 | Corydon76-dig | and several involuntary "Heil"s? |
| 02:29.50 | Corydon76-dig | jtodd: Have you dialled 888-DIGIUM-0 yet? |
| 02:29.56 | jtodd | No.... now I'm afraid. |
| 02:30.03 | Corydon76-dig | grins |
| 02:30.15 | Corydon76-dig | You need to |
| 02:30.41 | jtodd | That is so wrong, but would explain where that hold music came from on the talkshoe discussion the other day. |
| 02:30.57 | Corydon76-dig | lol |
| 02:31.18 | Corydon76-dig | Someone actually asked for the recording independently |
| 02:31.21 | jtodd | Now, is there an Easter egg in here somewhere, or does this stuff just keep playing? |
| 02:31.38 | Corydon76-dig | Oooo, an Easter egg? |
| 02:31.47 | jsmith | jtodd: No, you just got Rick Rolled |
| 02:31.50 | Corydon76-dig | What were you thinking of, perhaps? |
| 02:32.17 | jtodd | Dunno. Something that responds to a series of keystrokes, or plays some little entertaining file after one or two repetitions of the track. |
| 02:32.29 | Corydon76-dig | I'd be happy to put one in |
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| 02:33.51 | jtodd | Please something that is SFW. I don't know if that number goes to a Digium platform, but even if it doesn't, I don't want to have to field complaints about people who think that it does and who heard your <fill in audio abomination of your choice> file playing. |
| 02:34.29 | Corydon76-dig | It goes to a machine sitting in a rack next to me |
| 02:34.48 | Corydon76-dig | dot41.jeffandtilghman.foo, to be precise |
| 02:35.06 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: "To hear a toilet flush, press..." |
| 02:36.29 | Corydon76-dig | The only issue I have with the number is that I currently pay about .08/call |
| 02:37.34 | Corydon76-dig | and while I'm not opposed to doing something fun, if it attracts too much attention, I'd have to take it down for cost reasons |
| 02:38.34 | jtodd | Yes, that's certainly a problem. The monkeys made a CLEC I worked for a lot of money a while back on recip comp. |
| 02:40.43 | Corydon76-dig | The current amusement is that while it's technically costing me $.02/minute, I'm not getting billed due to a snafu |
| 02:49.31 | jtodd | That only lasts as long as your provider has funding; typically, slightly less time than that. |
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| 04:01.02 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Still awake? |
| 04:12.01 | Corydon76-dig | Yes |
| 04:13.19 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Does my proposed one-liner fix for 12777 look reasonable to you? |
| 04:13.36 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: (codefreeze is probably the guy to ask, but he hasn't responded all evening) |
| 04:15.40 | Corydon76-dig | M12777 |
| 04:15.41 | MuffinMan | [new] [Asterisk] PBX/pbx_config 0012777: [patch] Pattern matching treats 'x' differently than 'X' reported by jsmith (Karma: +28.75) http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=12777 |
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| 04:18.20 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: It's not as hairy as it might appear on first glance... a simple one-liner patch should fix it, as far as I can tell |
| 04:18.36 | Corydon76-dig | jsmith: I don't think that lowercase x was ever documented as working |
| 04:19.01 | Corydon76-dig | It may have been a happy coincidence that it did, but it wasn't a documented behavior |
| 04:19.02 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Well then, the lower case 'x' needs to be a literal letter 'x' then, and not match the digits |
| 04:19.39 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Either 'x' is the same as [0-9] or it is just the letter 'x', but it can't be one way for matching and another way for priorities within multiple matches |
| 04:20.17 | Corydon76-dig | Eh? |
| 04:20.24 | Corydon76-dig | I don't understand the second part |
| 04:21.46 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: OK, let me back up |
| 04:22.21 | jsmith | Right now, the lower case 'x' is *matching* as if it's an upper-case X, but getting scored as if it's a literal character |
| 04:22.31 | jsmith | For example, take these three extensions: |
| 04:22.43 | jsmith | exten => _1X |
| 04:22.51 | jsmith | exten => _1x |
| 04:23.01 | jsmith | exten => _1[1234] |
| 04:23.48 | Corydon76-dig | So essentially, it's providing a method by which you can override the default matching order |
| 04:24.02 | jsmith | Right now, the _1x pattern is matching before anything else, as the parser is saying that it's more constrained than either X (which has ten possibilities) or [1234] (which has four possibilities) |
| 04:24.07 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: No |
| 04:24.18 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Well, sort of... but not intentionally |
| 04:24.24 | Corydon76-dig | And your argument is that it shouldn't |
| 04:24.29 | jsmith | Exactly |
| 04:24.47 | jsmith | It should either be treated exactly the same as capital X, or treated as a literal character x |
| 04:25.16 | Corydon76-dig | You know, I kind of like the way it works.... but I agree with you that the ambiguity is bad. |
| 04:25.18 | jsmith | Other parts in the code canonicalize (is that a word) it to a capital X, so I think treating it as a capital X is the correct course of action |
| 04:25.43 | jsmith | (search main/pbc.c for "canon") |
| 04:25.57 | Corydon76-dig | So we can either a) change it so that case doesn't matter, or b) document it as a way to override the default matching order |
| 04:26.06 | jsmith | We just seemed to have missed a call to toupper in one spot to make sure it's consistent |
| 04:30.20 | Corydon76-dig | Well, I'm not going to commit anything absent a discussion |
| 04:35.30 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: I didn't expect you to commit anything... I just wanted to bounce the idea off someone and see if the patch looked sound technically |
| 04:37.57 | lmadsen | hi! |
| 04:37.57 | jsmith | adds some clarification to the bug report |
| 04:38.03 | lmadsen | jsmith: you're still up? |
| 04:38.06 | jsmith | lmadsen: What do *you* think about 12777 |
| 04:38.10 | Corydon76-dig | jsmith: I also don't think that even if we should choose the fixing option, we definitely should not fix it in 1.4, as it has the potential to break existing dialplans |
| 04:38.13 | lmadsen | M12777 |
| 04:38.15 | MuffinMan | [new] [Asterisk] PBX/pbx_config 0012777: [patch] Pattern matching treats 'x' differently than 'X' reported by jsmith (Karma: +28.75) http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=12777 |
| 04:38.16 | jsmith | lmadsen: Harassing you, of course |
| 04:38.25 | lmadsen | jsmith: sweet -- I'd expect nothing less |
| 04:38.28 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: It's a definite bug... why wouldn't we fix it? |
| 04:39.00 | Corydon76-dig | jsmith: because any dialplan that currently works could be broken on upgrading a minor version |
| 04:39.15 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Almost all bug fixes have *some* risk of braking existing dialplans... this one just has a much higher chance |
| 04:39.30 | Corydon76-dig | So high, in fact, that I'd rather not |
| 04:39.42 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: To be honest, I'd rather make a stink about it now than wait till people upgrade to 1.6.0 and blame it on 1.6.0 |
| 04:39.53 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: But that's just me... |
| 04:40.48 | lmadsen | I agree with jsmith based on the bug notes |
| 04:40.48 | Corydon76-dig | Yeah, but 1.4 has been out too long and has had such a bruised start, that I'd rather not upset people when I can predictably see that outcome |
| 04:40.55 | codefreeze-lap | worries about the fast pattern matcher |
| 04:41.02 | jsmith | codefreeze-lap: You're alive! |
| 04:41.11 | lmadsen | who actually relies on lower case pattern matching.... |
| 04:41.15 | jsmith | codefreeze-lap: Opinion on 12777? |
| 04:41.32 | codefreeze-lap | jsmith: haven't read it yet |
| 04:41.33 | jsmith | lmadsen: I know lots of people that use it, and assume it's the same as upper-case (which it *used* to be) |
| 04:41.38 | Corydon76-dig | lmadsen: I don't know, and I'd rather not find out |
| 04:41.41 | lmadsen | I consider those people using an unsupported version of pattern matching |
| 04:41.58 | jsmith | Either way, it needs to be communicated well |
| 04:42.02 | lmadsen | I'd say leave it the same in 1.4, *fix* it in 1.6, and document it |
| 04:42.12 | lmadsen | its a bug in my opinion |
| 04:42.21 | lmadsen | not a *feature* |
| 04:42.37 | Corydon76-dig | lmadsen: it has the potential to be a feature, though, if well documented |
| 04:42.44 | lmadsen | ugh... what a bitch |
| 04:42.45 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Absolutely not! |
| 04:42.51 | lmadsen | it seems like a hack |
| 04:42.59 | Corydon76-dig | It's not a bug bug... it's an accidental feature bug |
| 04:42.59 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: If we want to make that a feature, we'd better pick different letters |
| 04:43.09 | lmadsen | it should either work exactly like uppercase, or it should be literal |
| 04:43.11 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Did you not read my last comment on the bug? |
| 04:43.31 | Corydon76-dig | jsmith: It's late, and I'm tired |
| 04:43.47 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: OK... let's let it lie until tomorrow |
| 04:43.47 | Corydon76-dig | I was on the road for 4 hours today |
| 04:44.06 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: then we can get a bunch of other devs to weigh in |
| 04:45.07 | lmadsen | the english language is so weird |
| 04:45.15 | lmadsen | let's let* |
| 04:45.19 | lmadsen | and it makes sense |
| 04:45.30 | lmadsen | if you know english intimately |
| 04:45.52 | Corydon76-dig | lmadsen: lay off the pot |
| 04:46.05 | lmadsen | is watching How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People |
| 04:46.16 | lmadsen | Corydon76-dig: I haven't used the stuff in over 2 weeks |
| 04:46.22 | lmadsen | I kinda quit |
| 04:46.31 | Corydon76-dig | Uh, right |
| 04:46.36 | lmadsen | seriously |
| 04:46.49 | Corydon76-dig | I haven't touched the stuff in over 15 years |
| 04:46.57 | lmadsen | good for you :) |
| 04:47.05 | Corydon76-dig | and I've never bought any |
| 04:47.25 | lmadsen | I've bought lots... so I'm happy I haven't bought any in over 2 months |
| 04:48.48 | lmadsen | and that's saying lots since in downtown Toronto it's not like its NOT accessible :) |
| 04:49.09 | jtodd | lmadsen: That is an excellent video. Spread it around. |
| 04:49.24 | lmadsen | russellb was passing it around |
| 04:49.54 | Corydon76-dig | LAMP=Linux Asterisk Modules and Postgres, right? |
| 04:50.15 | lmadsen | yes :) |
| 04:51.04 | Corydon76-dig | unless you can find a better M... |
| 04:51.07 | codefreeze-lap | has read 12777.... hmmm. |
| 04:51.35 | lmadsen | Mozeltov! |
| 04:52.24 | codefreeze-lap | votes for (in patterns) x and X interchangeable. If you want to match X, use X; to mach x, use x. |
| 04:52.26 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: you were thinking of an override when you wrote the code, right? ;-) |
| 04:53.20 | codefreeze-lap | In the new stuff, yes, I thought about it. But I can't remember without a quick code review if the thought made out thru my fingers into the code. |
| 04:53.57 | Corydon76-dig | Well, it works as an override now |
| 04:54.24 | codefreeze-lap | is glad he has all his fingers, btw. imagine typing in a lot of code w/o fingers |
| 04:54.25 | Corydon76-dig | lowercase x, n, z overrides even more specific classes |
| 04:54.29 | lmadsen | codefreeze-lap: wouldn't you just use _[x}. ? |
| 04:54.36 | lmadsen | _[x]. rather |
| 04:54.43 | lmadsen | not \x |
| 04:54.59 | codefreeze-lap | lmadsen: you could, but... \x seems a little more succinct |
| 04:55.03 | lmadsen | _[x]ray,1,NoOp() |
| 04:55.03 | Corydon76-dig | _x > _[123] > _X |
| 04:55.23 | lmadsen | codefreeze-lap: the method I showed has worked for me already though |
| 04:55.51 | Corydon76-dig | lmadsen: you mean, it worked in 1.2 |
| 04:55.54 | codefreeze-lap | lmadsen: I wouldn't change that. But I would be tempted to allow \x. |
| 04:55.56 | lmadsen | it worked in 1.4 |
| 04:56.23 | lmadsen | it could be interchangable I suppose |
| 04:56.27 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: you really, really, really don't want to try that for 1.4 |
| 04:56.55 | codefreeze-lap | Corydon76-dig: that _x > _X just doesn't seem right... |
| 04:57.01 | Corydon76-dig | because to get that in 1.4, you'd have to write \\\x |
| 04:57.09 | jsmith | Doesn't seem right to me, either |
| 04:57.10 | codefreeze-lap | Corydon76-dig: oh, yes, I agree. only in trunk, |
| 04:57.51 | codefreeze-lap | Corydon76-dig: and, yes, if to get \x, I'd have to type \\\x, then forget it. |
| 04:58.11 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: fixed in 1.6.0, though |
| 04:58.13 | codefreeze-lap | suddenly, [x] seems practical in that case |
| 04:58.37 | codefreeze-lap | shakes head |
| 04:59.02 | codefreeze-lap | we need to write like some kinda TABLE, to keep track of what you can/can't do in which version |
| 04:59.10 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: document a bug, and it becomes a feature. ;-) |
| 04:59.20 | codefreeze-lap | lol |
| 04:59.56 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze-lap: as I said before... this behavior is not a bug bug... it's an unintentional feature bug |
| 05:00.19 | Corydon76-dig | Make it documented, and it's a feature |
| 05:00.19 | lmadsen | I guess.... |
| 05:00.28 | codefreeze-lap | As to _X vs _x, who gonna fix that in what version |
| 05:00.30 | lmadsen | seems stretching it to me |
| 05:00.48 | lmadsen | I'm off eat some pizza and watch a bit of TV, then I need some sleep |
| 05:00.49 | lmadsen | night all |
| 05:00.49 | Corydon76-dig | lmadsen: I do a lot of stretching... ;-) |
| 05:00.54 | lmadsen | :) |
| 05:01.10 | codefreeze-lap | lmads how can you think of food/sleep at a time like this????? |
| 05:01.34 | Corydon76-dig | yawns for the 6th time |
| 05:01.57 | codefreeze-lap | Corydon76-dig: I rpt, who gonna fix the _X vs _x prob and in what versions? |
| 05:02.29 | Corydon76-dig | definitely not in 1.4, as it could predictably break working dialplans |
| 05:02.53 | Corydon76-dig | but if you're going to fix it, go ahead and fix in trunk and merge to 1.6.0 |
| 05:03.02 | codefreeze-lap | I can easily agree with that |
| 05:03.10 | Corydon76-dig | and note in UPGRADE.txt |
| 05:03.46 | jsmith | I'd say we should discuss it more on the mailing list as well, so that people don't start yelling "1.6 broke my dialplan" when 1.6.0 is released |
| 05:04.15 | Corydon76-dig | Mmm. k. |
| 05:04.20 | jsmith | Or, rather, they'll still complain, but have less solid ground to stand on |
| 05:05.01 | Corydon76-dig | We keep telling them to read UPGRADE.txt |
| 05:05.18 | Corydon76-dig | Sooner or later, it might sink in |
| 05:05.34 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: That file is getting so big that people rarely read it, and even if they do, it's easy to miss the subtleties there |
| 05:05.57 | Corydon76-dig | It still amuses me about the discussion on alt.asterisk.canary.tweet.tweet.tweet |
| 05:06.04 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: I think that this is a big enough change to warrant some extra warnings *now* on the mailing list... you know, in George Bush "pre-emptive strike" mode |
| 05:06.22 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Your error message in the canary code still cracks me up |
| 05:06.53 | Corydon76-dig | jsmith: well, it's mostly a quote |
| 05:07.12 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: I know... |
| 05:07.25 | Corydon76-dig | Two jokes in the same code, one from Monty Python, one from Usenet |
| 05:07.25 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: Still doesn't stop me from laughing every time I think about it |
| 05:07.30 | jsmith | Yeah... |
| 05:08.09 | Corydon76-dig | I think we need a 'core show fortune' cli command |
| 05:08.21 | jsmith | Anyhoo... I'm getting silly, so I'd better head to bed |
| 05:08.33 | jsmith | Gotta teach again tomorrow |
| 05:08.41 | jsmith | G'night all! |
| 05:08.42 | Corydon76-dig | Where this week? |
| 05:08.46 | jsmith | Corydon76-dig: HSV |
| 05:08.59 | Corydon76-dig | Oh, you shoulda come upstairs and said hello |
| 05:09.21 | Corydon76-dig | I need to remember to bring my copy of TFOT for you to sign |
| 05:09.21 | jsmith | Didn't have a chance |
| 05:09.53 | jsmith | I was in the training room from 7:30am until about 6:00pm, and then I went to the managers meeting, then back to the training room until almost 7 |
| 05:10.02 | jsmith | Then I caught a ride to the hotel |
| 05:10.57 | Corydon76-dig | I was there until shortly after 7 |
| 05:11.18 | jtodd | commands jsmith back to the salt mines. |
| 05:11.44 | jsmith | jtodd: Yes, sir! After all, you're the new me, so you should know what I should be doing! |
| 05:12.05 | jsmith | loves the fact that he is able to tease jtodd about his job |
| 05:14.08 | ctooley | jsmith, what is this sleep thing you think you need, I know better, you don't need sleep, just more caffeine. |
| 05:14.33 | jsmith | ctooley: You can drink to unwind... the only chance I get is when I sleep ;-) |
| 05:14.45 | jsmith | touche! |
| 05:15.12 | ctooley | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.24 | Corydon76-dig | jsmith: bubble bath... ;-) |
| 05:18.38 | jtodd | Curiosity question: Does anyone know of any apps that graph IRC activity/presence on a channel by user and in aggregate? I'd like to see what our trends are with US/European/other users. Sounds like a good job for someone trying to learn graphing libraries and database programming as a graduate student. |
| 05:19.14 | Corydon76-dig | jtodd: http://ircstats.se2600.org |
| 05:19.49 | Corydon76-dig | or something like that |
| 05:20.12 | Corydon76-dig | http://www.se2600.org/ircstats/ |
| 05:20.41 | Corydon76-dig | http://pisg.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:52.19 | jtodd | corydon76-dig: OK interesting. Is it just a bot that lives on the channel and collects data? |
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| 09:01.37 | tzafrir_laptop | doesn't jbot ['s operator] graph IRC stats? |
| 09:01.43 | tzafrir_laptop | ~stats |
| 09:01.45 | jbot | Since Thu May 29 04:30:46 2008, there have been 34 modifications, 397 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 225 commands. I have been awake for 5d 4h 30m 57s this session, and currently reference 114820 factoids. I'm using about 42892 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 9957.75/393.56 child 0/0 |
| 09:01.54 | tzafrir_laptop | ~logs |
| 09:01.55 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 12:42.42 | file | good morning good morning |
| 12:42.50 | file | it's great to sleep for 10 hours, good morning good morning to you |
| 12:50.58 | Corydon76-dig | file: you're too cheery |
| 12:51.56 | file | do you want me to dial down the cheer? |
| 12:53.33 | mvanbaak | you slept for 10 hours ? |
| 12:53.34 | mvanbaak | omg |
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| 13:07.36 | russellb | i also slept for 10 hours |
| 13:09.04 | tzanger | damn I wish I could sleep for 10h |
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| 13:20.05 | mvanbaak | darn |
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| 14:58.28 | ctooley | I have a SIP Header that I need to keep sending on every message after the INVITE. It gets lost on subsequent messages so we're thinking of adding a "sticky" flag to SIPAddHeader(), that sound reasonable? |
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| 15:11.53 | jsmith | ctooley: I think someone else did that... check the -dev list archives for the past couple of months |
| 15:12.03 | ctooley | jsmith, ok |
| 15:12.04 | jsmith | ctooley: (But I don't think they submitted their patches back) |
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| 15:19.15 | seanbright | needs to watch that video |
| 15:20.47 | ctooley | jsmith, http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-dev/2008-April/032754.html ..... That one? |
| 15:21.32 | ctooley | It doesn't appear that either one of them might have done that. |
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| 15:26.45 | ctooley | For oej's benefit: I have a SIP Header that I need to keep sending on every message after the INVITE. It gets lost on subsequent messages so we're thinking of adding a "sticky" flag to SIPAddHeader(), that sound reasonable? |
| 15:26.57 | oej | Ctooley: here and now :-) |
| 15:27.09 | oej | Sounds like a protocol change |
| 15:27.14 | oej | What's the header? |
| 15:27.24 | oej | an example |
| 15:27.24 | ctooley | X-MyStupidHeader |
| 15:27.43 | jtodd-zzz | ctooley: I can see the benefit of it, since I've needed the same thing a few times (and I think we even patched * for it at one of my companies, IIRC) |
| 15:28.00 | ctooley | or better yet: X-VerazDoesntLetMePutStuffInCDRsHeader |
| 15:28.01 | wwalker | X-MyStupidHeader:Bill Bob |
| 15:28.03 | oej | Talking in his sleep, he is. |
| 15:28.23 | oej | So you want in every REQUEST, not every message? |
| 15:28.35 | wwalker | INVITE, ACK, BYE |
| 15:28.37 | ctooley | I need it in ACKs too |
| 15:28.45 | oej | All those are requests |
| 15:28.51 | ctooley | then yeah |
| 15:28.56 | oej | Not responses |
| 15:28.59 | ctooley | jtodd should be sleeping, he was up all night. |
| 15:29.07 | oej | Me too, me too |
| 15:29.36 | oej | The problem is in the architecture of this stuff, the way I send it by using channel variables to the outbound channel. |
| 15:29.48 | oej | Kind of dirty, but very handy from a dialplan point of view |
| 15:30.03 | oej | What happens if someone adds a header between the bye and the hangup? |
| 15:30.14 | ctooley | oej, they're dumb? |
| 15:30.16 | ctooley | :) |
| 15:30.17 | oej | Do we really want to traverse all the channel variables before every request? |
| 15:30.18 | ctooley | don't know |
| 15:30.46 | oej | That I don't like... |
| 15:30.50 | ctooley | All of ours won't matter, but I see what you mean, it's not ideal |
| 15:31.38 | oej | People will want to add stuff to BYE's |
| 15:31.39 | jtodd | Is it possible to make SIP headers an array? |
| 15:31.46 | oej | That's something I wanted to do |
| 15:31.53 | wwalker | add SIPADDHEADERSALWAYS as a flag |
| 15:31.56 | oej | jtodd: Don't open that can of worms, we don't want to start chan_sip4 now |
| 15:32.11 | wwalker | then only those of us who needit in every request will traverse the list every time. |
| 15:32.21 | jtodd | well, we've already got the concept of arrays - this is just an application of them. |
| 15:32.21 | ctooley | is struggling really hard with the problem between needing to get work done for my company and REALLY wanting to do some major rearchitecture. |
| 15:32.44 | oej | jtodd: But you don't know how much that will have to change... It's just way too big. |
| 15:32.47 | wwalker | smacks ctooley with a large trout |
| 15:33.05 | jtodd | oej: OK. Dunno. |
| 15:34.08 | oej | I think we should have three flags - INVITE(default), BYE and "ALL" |
| 15:34.36 | oej | The question here is traversing the channel variables for each request |
| 15:34.55 | ctooley | then there's the whole, go find all the different places that they get added. |
| 15:35.30 | oej | I really don't know how to make this change |
| 15:35.51 | oej | if we could get murf to make channel variables a hashed array.... :-) |
| 15:36.00 | oej | Then it wouldn't be as bad |
| 15:36.32 | oej | There has to be a flag somewhere to turn on header addition for non-INVITE requests |
| 15:36.39 | ctooley | oej, would you be opposed to us splitting off adding headers from the channel variables into a separate function and calling it in the request functions? |
| 15:36.58 | ctooley | I'd say a flag to SIPAddHeader() is the best place for that. |
| 15:37.09 | Corydon76-dig | From the peanut gallery, I'd prefer that you start using a channel datastore for those variables. |
| 15:37.14 | oej | Well, a flag would affect backwards compatibility |
| 15:37.27 | ctooley | Though really "Set(SIP_HEADER(foo)=bar)" would be the best solution for the whole thing. |
| 15:37.34 | oej | Corydon: Then backwards compatibility would suck |
| 15:37.34 | ctooley | oej, only if it's "required" |
| 15:37.36 | Corydon76-dig | And then it becomes a much smaller list |
| 15:37.47 | Corydon76-dig | oej: How so? |
| 15:38.14 | oej | Well, a lot of installations depend on setting random variables in the dialplan, bypassing the sipaddheader() function |
| 15:38.29 | codefreeze-lap | oej: that would involve changes so simple, even a child could make them! .... that is, a very advanced, gifted child with an ultra high IQ... ;) |
| 15:38.29 | oej | but if we create a new function for these new headers, we could use a datastore for that |
| 15:38.52 | Corydon76-dig | oej: those are using undocumented interfaces that aren't guaranteed not to change at any time |
| 15:38.57 | oej | The problem is that the channel doesn't exist when we add the headers |
| 15:39.19 | oej | Corydon: I'll redirect the heat on the mailing list to you... |
| 15:39.51 | oej | My conclusion is a new function would be best for these non-invite headers |
| 15:39.53 | Corydon76-dig | oej: we do not support undocumented interfaces, as I've said already this week to atis |
| 15:40.04 | Corydon76-dig | I agree with a new function |
| 15:40.14 | ctooley | A new AddHeader() function? |
| 15:40.18 | oej | No |
| 15:40.27 | oej | Keep the sipaddheader as it is |
| 15:40.27 | Corydon76-dig | Well, maybe not a new function, really... |
| 15:40.34 | oej | And a new function for the non-INVITE header additions |
| 15:40.38 | ctooley | Or a new function in the code that uses the variables. |
| 15:40.48 | Corydon76-dig | but interfacing the function to a datastore, instead of using the chanvar stack for storage |
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| 15:41.14 | oej | Well then, how do you pass a datastore from an inbound channel to one or several outbound channels? |
| 15:41.25 | Corydon76-dig | Datastores already support inheritance |
| 15:41.26 | oej | This is why me and Mark created the _ and __ syntax |
| 15:41.31 | russellb | you can set datastores as inheritable |
| 15:41.32 | oej | I did not know. Cool. |
| 15:42.11 | Corydon76-dig | And in fact, datastores support more levels of inheritance. You can set the levels to 1, 2, 3... up to infinite inheritance |
| 15:42.13 | russellb | datastores should be preferred for most things now a days, instead of overloading the channel variable namespace |
| 15:42.16 | Corydon76-dig | or 0 |
| 15:42.24 | oej | Agree |
| 15:42.40 | ctooley | OK, so this has gone from a can of worms to a barrel of them... I expect us to implement this in the "hacky/ugly" way to make progress that keeps our jobs, and I'll keep up on what we decide here to put together a doc on what is desirable. |
| 15:43.07 | oej | ok |
| 15:43.25 | oej | goes back to create ugly hacks to keep the project alive and be able to bill |
| 15:43.31 | ctooley | :) |
| 15:43.41 | wwalker | two points ... oej |
| 15:43.46 | oej | THanks for poking me, ctooley |
| 15:43.53 | oej | three points and I WIN!!! |
| 15:43.58 | ctooley | oej++ |
| 15:44.03 | ctooley | there you go |
| 15:44.13 | Qwell | unfortunately, points is a 1 bit int |
| 15:44.26 | file | gives oej a cookie |
| 15:44.35 | Corydon76-dig | Your prize for today is being the target of a flame war on -dev |
| 15:45.10 | russellb | lol |
| 15:45.13 | oej | qwell: Run gzip and it will be a half bit |
| 15:45.17 | russellb | seems to be the hot item these days |
| 15:45.59 | wwalker | bzip2 will get you a third of a bit |
| 15:46.04 | Corydon76-dig | I always enjoy hearing that the English alphabet compresses into 5.3 bits |
| 15:46.34 | ctooley | russellb, it's only a hot item if your name is Corydon76-dig or russellb apparently |
| 15:46.41 | ctooley | well, or file, everything's his fault. |
| 15:46.47 | Qwell | ~fault |
| 15:46.55 | Qwell | jbot_: silly |
| 15:47.06 | ctooley | jbot_, ~fault |
| 15:47.08 | russellb | attempts to get thicker skin |
| 15:47.47 | russellb | goes to the skin store |
| 15:48.29 | putnopvut | notes that "skin store" should be a term for a porn shop. |
| 15:48.32 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: are you going to tell the clerk "Show me some skin!"? ? |
| 15:49.16 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: Do they actually have those in Alabama? |
| 15:49.40 | ctooley | Corydon76-dig, They have those everywhere |
| 15:49.42 | Corydon76-dig | I know the AL legislature banned the sale of "toys" |
| 15:50.00 | putnopvut | Corydon76-dig: yeah, there's one with a hookah bar here in HSV. |
| 15:50.30 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: ever been inside? |
| 15:50.42 | putnopvut | Yeah, I went to the hookah bar once. |
| 15:50.49 | putnopvut | I thought it would be separated from the porn. |
| 15:50.53 | putnopvut | That was not the case. |
| 15:51.01 | russellb | was a bit uncomfortable |
| 15:51.01 | Qwell | waits for this conversation to surpass that of #openmoko |
| 15:51.16 | putnopvut | yes, russellb went with me. |
| 15:51.20 | Juggie | hah |
| 15:51.31 | putnopvut | We listened to some band play as we sat among the tranny porn dvds. |
| 15:51.52 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: you should visit some of the stores up here that have walls full of toys... |
| 15:51.56 | putnopvut | So to avoid that situation ever happening again I bought a hookah and some tobacco. |
| 15:52.04 | Corydon76-dig | and see how uncomfortable you feel then |
| 15:52.49 | Corydon76-dig | bought a cake pan at one of those shops... |
| 15:53.02 | Qwell | oh dear |
| 15:53.10 | Corydon76-dig | and cookie cutters |
| 15:53.13 | putnopvut | Corydon76-dig: in what shapes? |
| 15:53.30 | Qwell | though, tbh, this conversation is still very tame compared to the one they just had in #openmoko.. |
| 15:53.42 | Corydon76-dig | cock and balls |
| 15:53.55 | russellb | sounds like a plate of cookies to bring to work! |
| 15:54.00 | putnopvut | dongz |
| 15:54.07 | Corydon76-dig | It's.... it's... it's... a ROCKET SHIP |
| 15:54.27 | putnopvut | expresses disdain for that movie. |
| 15:54.41 | Qwell | aren't they doing a sequel or something? |
| 15:54.47 | Qwell | thought I read that somewhere.. |
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| 15:55.00 | Corydon76-dig | I can't imagine they could do anything as good as the original |
| 15:55.45 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: I actually considered it, and I figured it might be seen as sexual harassment |
| 15:56.00 | russellb | probably. |
| 15:56.17 | Corydon76-dig | ...to ask my coworkers to put cock-shaped objects in their mouths... |
| 15:56.19 | file | check the book. |
| 15:56.39 | russellb | cookies certainly do not contribute to a hostile work environment |
| 15:56.48 | russellb | but i suppose someone could find it offensive ... for some reason |
| 15:57.30 | Corydon76-dig | At some point, I might could bring a batch out to the farm |
| 15:57.49 | Corydon76-dig | Embarass the crap out of Mark |
| 15:57.53 | codefreeze-lap | hahahaha!!!!!!! I got rev 120000 !!!!!! |
| 15:57.53 | russellb | heh |
| 15:57.58 | putnopvut | It wouldn't embarrass me. |
| 15:57.58 | russellb | yayyyyyy |
| 15:58.02 | putnopvut | ;) |
| 15:58.15 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: the other Mark |
| 15:58.24 | putnopvut | right, I knew that. |
| 15:58.49 | Corydon76-dig | He was rather embarrassed by the Hacker Inside condoms |
| 15:59.59 | oej | Those are a problem for the universitys. You're stopping many hackers-to-be with those condoms, so they have too few students in engineering. |
| 16:01.02 | russellb | O.O |
| 16:01.10 | Corydon76-dig | We don't have a shortage of engineers in this country |
| 16:01.23 | Corydon76-dig | What we have are companies who don't want to pay the going rate |
| 16:01.59 | Corydon76-dig | (hence all the problems with h1b's) |
| 16:06.06 | Corydon76-dig | commit asterisk 120000 |
| 16:06.11 | MuffinMan | [120000] Committed by murf on 2008-06-03T15:57:26.194275Z: Merged revisions 119998 via svnmerge from |
| 16:06.11 | MuffinMan | ..https://origsvn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/trunk |
| 16:06.11 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 16:06.11 | MuffinMan | .................. |
| 16:06.11 | MuffinMan | ..r119998 | murf | 2008-06-03 09:49:34 -0600 (Tue, 03 Jun 2008) | 16 lines |
| 16:06.13 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 16:06.16 | MuffinMan | ..Merged revisions 119966 via svnmerge from |
| 16:06.19 | MuffinMan | ..https://origsvn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/branches/1.4 |
| 16:06.21 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 16:06.23 | MuffinMan | .......... |
| 16:06.25 | MuffinMan | ..r119966 | murf | 2008-06-03 09:26:56 -0600 (Tue, 03 Jun 2008) | 8 lines |
| 16:06.29 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 16:06.31 | MuffinMan | ..Updated the regressions on AEL. Hadn't updated |
| 16:06.33 | MuffinMan | ..this for the changes I made to preserve ${EXTEN} |
| 16:06.36 | MuffinMan | ..in switches, which affected several tests because |
| 16:06.39 | MuffinMan | ..it adds extra priorities, and at least one needed to be updated |
| 16:06.42 | MuffinMan | ..because of the removal of the empty extension warning |
| 16:06.44 | MuffinMan | ..message. |
| 16:06.46 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 16:06.48 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 16:06.51 | MuffinMan | .......... |
| 16:06.53 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 16:06.55 | MuffinMan | .................. |
| 16:07.11 | file | those commands do work in private message fyi |
| 16:07.26 | Corydon76-dig | Yes, but 120000 was a special milestone |
| 16:07.43 | codefreeze-lap | Hey, do I win a muffin or something for having a nice round commit revision number? |
| 16:08.04 | Corydon76-dig | ~muffin codefreeze-lap |
| 16:08.19 | codefreeze-lap | shakes head. |
| 16:08.19 | Corydon76-dig | ~award codefreeze-lap |
| 16:08.26 | file | does not exist. |
| 16:08.30 | codefreeze-lap | shakes head again |
| 16:08.36 | Qwell | ~lart codefreeze |
| 16:08.36 | jbot | smacks codefreeze up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 16:09.03 | codefreeze-lap | I somehow suspected jbot could send a person **something** |
| 16:09.16 | Qwell | ~something codefreeze-lap |
| 16:10.01 | jsmith | ~buy Corydon76-dig donuts |
| 16:10.02 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen donutss for Corydon76-dig |
| 16:10.43 | ctooley | ~buy jsmith sleep |
| 16:10.44 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen sleeps for jsmith |
| 16:11.01 | Qwell | ~buy jbot_ vowel |
| 16:11.02 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen vowels for jbot_ |
| 16:14.21 | Corydon76-dig | So apparently, on the very first try of tagging important posts, we will get less discussion than we've gotten on the IRC channel |
| 16:15.16 | ctooley | supposes he should actually join the mailing list, more things to distract him from doing real work. |
| 16:16.56 | Corydon76-dig | We have to start considering whether, when people younger than 25 prefer chat to email as a form of communiction, whether chat should be the authoritative place to discuss changes instead of email. |
| 16:17.51 | Corydon76-dig | Having a record of the communication certainly isn't a problem... jbot ensures that... |
| 16:18.20 | ctooley | I would comment that supporting _x in the same way as _X has the benefit of making Asterisk work the same way as a lot of the phones out there (ie: Linksys, Grandstream and Polycom all use x instead of X for pattern matching, or at least they used to) |
| 16:19.03 | Corydon76-dig | ctooley: it's probably case-insensitive matching |
| 16:19.19 | ctooley | In Asterisk? |
| 16:19.45 | ctooley | Because it's not in the craptastic Linksys, I learned that the hard way after an hour of screwing with it. |
| 16:19.54 | Corydon76-dig | in the Polycom, it is |
| 16:20.21 | ctooley | super |
| 16:20.44 | ctooley | Well, Polycom has a tendency to do more things right than Linksys anyway. |
| 16:21.46 | russellb | putnopvut: http://lwn.net/Articles/180387/ is what i was referring to |
| 16:25.24 | ctooley | I think MuffinMan has the largest dependency set of any perl application I've ever installed. |
| 16:26.15 | russellb | heh |
| 16:26.18 | file | yeah... it is pretty hefty |
| 16:27.49 | Corydon76-dig | "wimpy wimpy wimpy" |
| 16:29.42 | Juggie | "hefty hefty hefty" |
| 16:31.18 | Juggie | rememberes exactally what Corydon76-dig is refering to :) |
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| 16:34.06 | *** mode/#asterisk-dev [+o jpeeler] by ChanServ |
| 16:38.14 | Juggie | is disapointed the conversation died :( |
| 16:48.02 | oej | Chat is requiring real time, which doesn't work across time zones, Corydon. |
| 16:48.16 | oej | Mail is store and forward and we have some time to follow and respond even in Europe. |
| 16:48.30 | oej | I don't think IRC is a good media for decisionmaking |
| 16:50.58 | jsmith | IRC is also less transparent than the mailing list |
| 16:51.09 | Juggie | this may be a good case for the return of a weekly/bi-weekly conference call. |
| 16:51.48 | russellb | mailing lists will always be the place for official discussion and decision making |
| 16:52.14 | russellb | as oej alluded to, for time zone reasons, but also to give people time to think and thoughtfully respond |
| 16:52.23 | russellb | and so that the project's history is documented. |
| 16:55.43 | lmadsen | "thoughtfully respond" |
| 16:55.46 | lmadsen | chuckles |
| 16:56.14 | russellb | gives people the opportunity to do so. |
| 16:56.20 | russellb | doesn't mean that is the case. |
| 16:56.28 | lmadsen | :D |
| 16:57.37 | file | res_mindcontrol! |
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| 17:06.59 | tzafrir_laptop | Does ael check syntax upon compiling a dialplan? specifically, |
| 17:07.44 | tzafrir_laptop | if I have a line that uses Foo(arg1,arg2,arg3) , can it tell if Foo is a valid application? |
| 17:07.57 | tzafrir_laptop | And if it takes 3 arguments? |
| 17:08.45 | tzafrir_laptop | (if it does, I wonder just when it loads on startup) |
| 17:11.00 | oej | It irritates me that I can't use the URL's from downloads.digium.com in wget because of some funny redirects |
| 17:11.20 | oej | I get a smal file called elqRedir.htm?ref=http:%2F%2Fdownloads.digium.com%2Fpub%2Fasterisk%2Fasterisk-1.4.20.1.tar.gz |
| 17:11.23 | seanbright | oej: you can, you just can't "copy link location" from the browser |
| 17:11.41 | oej | So how do I do it? |
| 17:11.47 | seanbright | oej: wget "http://downloads.digium.com/pub/asterisk/asterisk-1.4.20.1.tar.gz" |
| 17:11.53 | seanbright | as an example |
| 17:11.57 | oej | Ah I see |
| 17:12.07 | oej | Just remove the crap before the actual link. |
| 17:12.08 | oej | Thanks! |
| 17:12.11 | seanbright | that works for me at least |
| 17:12.14 | seanbright | no problem |
| 17:12.23 | oej | bangs my head against the wall for not discovering that stuff |
| 17:12.54 | oej | warns asterisk developers that port wine and hacking might be fun, but is not productive |
| 17:12.57 | seanbright | adds astget to repotools... |
| 17:12.57 | russellb | someone even filed a bug report about that |
| 17:12.57 | seanbright | :) |
| 17:13.38 | oej | About port wine and hacking? Impressive. |
| 17:14.01 | seanbright | russellb: is the downloads code somewhere? or is it third-party? |
| 17:14.07 | jmls | "the port wine made my monitor go all blurry" |
| 17:14.16 | russellb | some 3rd party crap |
| 17:14.20 | seanbright | they could just set the href to the actual link and the onclock to the elqdir stuff |
| 17:14.28 | seanbright | s/onclock/onclick/ |
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| 17:15.02 | russellb | seanbright: logic! |
| 17:15.05 | russellb | how dare you |
| 17:15.15 | seanbright | <a href="foo.tar.gz" onclick="location.href = 'elqRedir.htm?blah&blah&foo.tar.gz'">foo.tar.gz</a> |
| 17:15.19 | seanbright | booyah |
| 17:15.54 | russellb | put that in the bug report, i guess |
| 17:16.01 | russellb | or email webmaster@digium.com, heh |
| 17:16.04 | seanbright | heh |
| 17:16.17 | seanbright | well if its third-party, i doubt there is much that can be done |
| 17:16.21 | seanbright | but i'll try to find it |
| 17:16.42 | russellb | well, the link is hard coded |
| 17:16.48 | russellb | it can be changed |
| 17:16.58 | russellb | the eloqua stuff is not ours |
| 17:17.04 | russellb | whatever the heck it is and does. |
| 17:17.06 | russellb | :) |
| 17:18.25 | Juggie | russellb, i agree w/ the n != N and not treated special, but can we change that in 1.6.x? |
| 17:18.39 | russellb | yes |
| 17:18.41 | russellb | it hasn't been released yet |
| 17:18.44 | Juggie | or will we get the same bitch session as changing | -> , |
| 17:20.34 | seanbright | stupid mantis and escaping HTML |
| 17:20.49 | Juggie | i'm just wondering from a deprecation point of view will it just cause the same problem over again |
| 17:21.36 | seanbright | M12776#5 |
| 17:21.37 | MuffinMan | Failed to retrieve comment 5 on 12776. Are you sure you have the right number? |
| 17:21.49 | seanbright | M12776#87727 |
| 17:21.51 | MuffinMan | [12776#0087727] Commented by seanbright on 06-03-08 at 12:12: Another option would be something like this: |
| 17:21.51 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 17:21.51 | MuffinMan | ..<a href="asterisk-1.4.20.1.tar.gz" onclick="location.href = 'elqRedir.htm?ref=http:%2F%2Fdownloads.digium.com%2Fpub%2Fasterisk%2Fasterisk-1.4.20.1.tar.gz'; return false;">asterisk-1.4.20.1.tar.gz</a> |
| 17:21.54 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 17:21.59 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 17:22.01 | MuffinMan | ..And that would work for all browsers. Javascript enabled ones would use the onclick handler, and non-javascript browsers or "Copy link location" functionality would copy the direct link rather than the tracker link. |
| 17:22.05 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 17:22.07 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 17:22.09 | MuffinMan | .. |
| 17:22.10 | seanbright | those dots... *suck* |
| 17:22.11 | MuffinMan | ..(Pretend that < and > are the less-than and greater-than characters) |
| 17:22.27 | seanbright | file: ^^^ |
| 17:22.46 | file | it's the bot module that does it |
| 17:22.58 | seanbright | file: do you have the code to said bot module? |
| 17:23.12 | file | sure. |
| 17:23.21 | seanbright | give it here |
| 17:23.23 | seanbright | heh |
| 17:23.29 | file | it's in CPAN |
| 17:23.33 | file | and MuffinMan is in repotools |
| 17:23.37 | seanbright | ah yes |
| 17:23.38 | seanbright | got it |
| 17:23.47 | Juggie | seanbright, are you going to go to *-con? |
| 17:23.55 | seanbright | Juggie: no sir |
| 17:24.08 | Juggie | boo |
| 17:24.14 | seanbright | when is it, anyway? |
| 17:24.18 | Juggie | well i'm not going either this year, scheduleing conflict. |
| 17:24.30 | Corydon76-dig | September, I think |
| 17:24.32 | Juggie | sadly, i look forward to my trip to the us every fall. |
| 17:24.35 | seanbright | hmmm |
| 17:24.44 | seanbright | in AL? |
| 17:24.46 | Qwell | seanbright: you are required to go |
| 17:24.47 | file | September 23rd to 25th |
| 17:24.47 | Qwell | AZ |
| 17:24.50 | file | in Phoenix, Arizona |
| 17:25.05 | seanbright | Qwell: great, let me know when you've paid for my flight and accomodations ;-) |
| 17:25.08 | russellb | seanbright: yes, you must go. |
| 17:25.15 | seanbright | <-- poor |
| 17:25.22 | russellb | offers the floor of his hotel room |
| 17:25.27 | seanbright | heh |
| 17:25.36 | Qwell | offers the rollout bed |
| 17:25.41 | russellb | ooh, even better |
| 17:25.48 | Juggie | dont do it, it will be a room full of digium geeks :) |
| 17:25.58 | Qwell | Juggie: yeah, that would be *terrible* |
| 17:26.00 | file | Juggie: is that a bad thing? |
| 17:26.01 | Corydon76-dig | seanbright: I'm sure the beds are big enough, you can spoon with me... |
| 17:26.01 | seanbright | i've bunked with worse |
| 17:26.12 | seanbright | Corydon76-dig: only if i'm the big spoon |
| 17:26.20 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: you're just never gonna let that go, are you? :p |
| 17:26.28 | Juggie | hahaha |
| 17:26.30 | Corydon76-dig | seanbright: Qwell was the big spoon, too |
| 17:26.45 | Juggie | qwell is too short to be the big spoon |
| 17:27.11 | seanbright | is 6' 1" |
| 17:27.12 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: I let it go for months at a time... :-P |
| 17:27.20 | Qwell | uh huh |
| 17:27.28 | Juggie | Qwell, how tall are you? |
| 17:27.42 | Qwell | Juggie: dunno.. 5'3"? |
| 17:28.14 | Juggie | i wish i could of gone. |
| 17:28.20 | Juggie | sadly i have a wedding to attend. |
| 17:28.22 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: what was also amusing is the waiter who carded Qwell (who is well above 21), then decided not to card file (who at the time was only 18) |
| 17:28.34 | Qwell | yeah... |
| 17:28.36 | file | I have never been carded |
| 17:28.41 | Qwell | file: O.o |
| 17:28.42 | Juggie | Corydon76-dig, did josh have his go-tee. |
| 17:28.50 | Corydon76-dig | I don't remember |
| 17:28.58 | file | I did |
| 17:29.03 | ctooley | That reminds me, I have to get an ID to travel later this month. :( |
| 17:29.25 | seanbright | MuffinMan: help |
| 17:29.25 | MuffinMan | seanbright: Ask me for help about: nickserv, auth, svn, loader, mantis, join (say 'help <modulename>') |
| 17:29.30 | seanbright | MuffinMan: help mantis |
| 17:29.31 | MuffinMan | seanbright: Displays information about a Mantis issue. usage: issue <issue number>. May be used in channel or privately. |
| 17:29.40 | Qwell | MuffinMan: help nickserv |
| 17:29.40 | MuffinMan | Qwell: No help for module 'Nickserv'. This is a bug. |
| 17:29.45 | seanbright | heh |
| 17:29.46 | file | :D |
| 17:29.53 | Qwell | http://ledbetter.bougyman.com/albums/show/bug-feature.jpg?album=fun |
| 17:29.57 | Corydon76-dig | MuffinMan: help file |
| 17:29.57 | MuffinMan | Corydon76-dig: I don't know anything about 'file'. |
| 17:30.25 | Corydon76-dig | For shame! He doesn't know anything about his creator? |
| 17:30.31 | file | nope |
| 17:30.42 | Corydon76-dig | Must be an atheist bot |
| 17:30.54 | file | he is not an infobot so all he knows about are the modules that are loaded |
| 17:30.56 | Qwell | or he evolved naturally |
| 17:31.09 | Juggie | Corydon76-dig, i still get carded from time to time and i'm 27 |
| 17:31.23 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: I also, and I'm 32 |
| 17:31.33 | Juggie | i've been legal for 8 almost 9 years |
| 17:34.09 | Juggie | russellb, have you started the house basement yet? |
| 17:34.32 | seanbright | good god basicbot has a ton of deps |
| 17:34.51 | Corydon76-dig | Pouring concrete? |
| 17:35.22 | file | seanbright: yes... yes it does |
| 17:35.24 | Juggie | Corydon76-dig, oh his house is still being built? from his wedding registry with rj45 wall brackets etc... i presumed it was closer to being done |
| 17:35.31 | russellb | house basement? no |
| 17:35.38 | Juggie | i guess he was just stocking up :) |
| 17:35.42 | Juggie | is your house finished russellb? |
| 17:35.46 | Juggie | or still being built. |
| 17:35.47 | russellb | yeah, i didn't buy it new |
| 17:35.52 | Juggie | ah |
| 17:35.58 | russellb | i've lived there for about a year, heh |
| 17:36.03 | Juggie | figured |
| 17:36.05 | russellb | i haven't wired it yet, though |
| 17:36.09 | russellb | it's hot, now |
| 17:36.13 | russellb | the attic is unbearable |
| 17:36.22 | Juggie | does it have central air? |
| 17:36.26 | russellb | yes |
| 17:36.27 | Corydon76-dig | russellb: tell me when. I have a ton of the wiring materials |
| 17:36.32 | russellb | Corydon76-dig: w00t |
| 17:36.36 | russellb | Corydon76-dig: thanks :) |
| 17:36.57 | Juggie | russellb, your going to drop rj-45 in every room? |
| 17:37.07 | russellb | that was my plan, yeah |
| 17:37.19 | Juggie | sweet... i've only been in my house for 2 years and already i want another one :) |
| 17:37.26 | russellb | heh |
| 17:37.40 | Corydon76-dig | Crimpers, punchdown tools, fishing rods, fishtape, electrical tape... |
| 17:37.47 | Corydon76-dig | Everything but the wire and the ends |
| 17:37.56 | Juggie | just because my first house was selected based on my salary, and now its me and gf. |
| 17:38.03 | Juggie | and i've gotten a bunch of raises since then |
| 17:38.12 | seanbright | 802.11n and you're good to go |
| 17:38.15 | seanbright | no wires needed |
| 17:38.25 | Juggie | and the gf takes up too much room :) need more storage. |
| 17:38.37 | russellb | i sort of feel that way now that my wife has moved in |
| 17:38.39 | russellb | we have too much stuff |
| 17:38.51 | Juggie | russellb, how big is your place? (sqfeet) |
| 17:38.51 | file | welcome to the club. |
| 17:38.59 | Corydon76-dig | seanbright: I plan on being paranoid in my next house and putting Faraday cages in the walls |
| 17:39.47 | jpeeler | Corydon76-dig: don't they have a special paint that works for that? |
| 17:39.48 | seanbright | heh |
| 17:39.48 | Juggie | faraday? |
| 17:40.10 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: Faraday cages block EM transmissions |
| 17:40.22 | jpeeler | of course probably not nearly as strong |
| 17:40.39 | Corydon76-dig | They will protect, for example, computer equipment from an EMP burst |
| 17:40.50 | seanbright | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_Cage |
| 17:40.51 | Juggie | how many EMP bursts happen in alabama |
| 17:41.22 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: I'm in TN, less than 20 miles from a major military arms manufacturer |
| 17:41.38 | Juggie | ah |
| 17:41.42 | Corydon76-dig | So, yeah, I'm fairly near a major target |
| 17:41.54 | seanbright | is about 20 miles from NSA |
| 17:41.58 | Juggie | ah well i doubt its 100% effective anyways |
| 17:42.02 | Juggie | considering windows, doors, etc. |
| 17:42.18 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: a true Faraday cage is 100% effective |
| 17:42.27 | Juggie | ya of course |
| 17:42.35 | seanbright | "The effectiveness of a Faraday cage or shield is dependent upon the wavelength of the electric or electromagnetic fields it is intended to shield." |
| 17:42.36 | Juggie | you'd have to pick a room for that though |
| 17:42.47 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: and actually, windows can be made to do that, as well |
| 17:43.09 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: just think multiple walls, multiple layers, and you've got EMP proofing |
| 17:43.30 | Juggie | so nice not to have to consider that in canada :) |
| 17:43.55 | seanbright | until we claim it |
| 17:44.13 | Corydon76-dig | Y'all are western culture, too |
| 17:44.17 | seanbright | i could probably walk across the bridge @ niagara |
| 17:44.24 | seanbright | put a US flag in the ground |
| 17:44.38 | seanbright | and claim it for our king, george w. bush |
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| 17:44.48 | Juggie | we would talk our way out of it |
| 17:44.54 | seanbright | heh |
| 17:46.04 | file | or use the secret weapons |
| 17:46.26 | Juggie | ya, next president will claim we have WMD's |
| 17:46.42 | russellb | how about we talk about asterisk |
| 17:46.57 | Juggie | nono, we talk asterisk on the mailing list. |
| 17:47.07 | russellb | we also talk asterisk here |
| 17:47.17 | russellb | if you want to shoot the shit, create #asterisk-dev-social or something |
| 17:47.18 | russellb | :) |
| 17:47.21 | seanbright | jeez. |
| 17:47.38 | tzafrir_laptop | BTW: a useful test-case for the "[design]" whatever is the following thread: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-dev/2008-April/thread.html#32690 (overlap dialing) |
| 17:47.38 | russellb | gets pissy with off-topic stuff during business hours |
| 17:47.40 | russellb | sorry. |
| 17:47.48 | ctooley | Corydon76-dig, Consider lining the exterior in the home in a Faraday Cage and then lining the interior of all exterior walls with another that is designed for another set of wavelengths. Put all other necessary equipment in a room that is protected with a third layer |
| 17:47.57 | seanbright | i'm in shanghai, its not business hours here |
| 17:48.04 | seanbright | will shut up now. |
| 17:48.08 | ctooley | used to work at a Nuclear Reactor that had electromagnetic control rods. |
| 17:48.09 | tzafrir_laptop | I figure enough of us haven't really followed it |
| 17:48.45 | tzafrir_laptop | how long would it take to basically understand what were the major opinions there just from reading the archives? |
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| 17:50.35 | Juggie | ponders |
| 17:53.22 | seanbright | is still installing BasicBot pre-reqs |
| 17:53.52 | seanbright | cpan is pretty impressive though. |
| 17:54.07 | russellb | perl sucks |
| 17:54.10 | seanbright | heh |
| 17:54.11 | russellb | runs |
| 17:54.31 | russellb | realizes he is now off topic :( |
| 17:54.32 | seanbright | s/russellb/perl script/ |
| 17:56.11 | ctooley | seanbright, I started pre-reqs this morning at 8:30, 4 hours later I'm _still_ installing them. |
| 17:56.58 | ctooley | Granted, I'm not babysitting it constantly and I forgot to turn "follow" on, but when I started I didn't expect to install all of CPAN either. |
| 17:59.30 | tzafrir_laptop | What's that BasicBot? |
| 18:01.23 | tzafrir_laptop | anyway, someone asked on the mailing list about g722 in ISDN. Is g722 used in ISDN as a standard B-channel payload? |
| 18:03.29 | file | tzafrir_home: BasicBot is the perl module that MuffinMan is written using |
| 18:03.38 | mvanbaak | tzafrir_laptop: not in .nl |
| 18:03.43 | mvanbaak | only G711 is used here |
| 18:06.33 | mvanbaak | G711a to be complete |
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| 18:11.18 | eurodrew555 | Hi guys, I have a strange problem - just upgraded to r120001, did a 'core show channels' and it reports Active Channels/Active Calls OK |
| 18:11.38 | eurodrew555 | after about 15 mins though.. 'core show channels' no longer outputs the Active Channels/Active Calls count |
| 18:12.07 | putnopvut | eurodrew555: if you issue another "core show channels" command is anything output at all? |
| 18:12.50 | russellb | it's probably a deadlock |
| 18:13.00 | russellb | please compile with DEBUG_THREADS, and try to get "core show locks" output |
| 18:14.36 | eurodrew555 | I can keep issuing 'core show channels' and the channel list is OK, but that is it - no active channel/calls summary |
| 18:15.00 | eurodrew555 | it worked OK after the compile, but about 15 mins in it isn't outputting |
| 18:15.22 | russellb | how are you executing the command by the way? |
| 18:15.33 | russellb | asterisk -rx? or just on a regular asterisk console |
| 18:15.34 | eurodrew555 | asterisk -rx "core show channels" |
| 18:15.39 | russellb | ah. |
| 18:15.52 | russellb | ok, please try the DEBUG_THREADS build |
| 18:15.52 | russellb | so we can see what's wrong |
| 18:15.56 | eurodrew555 | and on the regular console - I actually noticed it on the console |
| 18:16.48 | eurodrew555 | OK it will have to wait till tomorrow we are a bit busy here - it's only a minor issue anyway so will try to get the 'core show locks' output then |
| 18:17.40 | russellb | thanks |
| 18:18.38 | eurodrew555 | will open another issue and post output tomorrow - thanks, bye for now |
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| 18:25.57 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: thanks |
| 18:26.21 | Corydon76-dig | yw |
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| 18:45.58 | eurodrew555 | to follow up on my 'core show channels' issue |
| 18:46.18 | eurodrew555 | it looks to be worse than I thought - the CLI ends up disappearing after more time |
| 18:46.27 | eurodrew555 | asterisk -r just outputs the header and then nothing |
| 18:46.46 | eurodrew555 | I have recompiled with DEBUG_THREADS so I will try to get the 'core show locks' output now |
| 18:46.49 | russellb | it's deadlocked |
| 18:52.30 | tzafrir_laptop | wonders aloud if people manage to understand the result of AEL code converted to dialplan |
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| 18:52.36 | tzafrir_laptop | e.g: for tracing it |
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| 19:02.17 | eurodrew555 | can I ask - is there much downside to running Asterisk compiled for DEBUGTHREADS ? |
| 19:03.20 | putnopvut | No, it adds some overhead with every lock that's made, but nothing otherwise. The overhead is pretty small, too. |
| 19:03.44 | eurodrew555 | thanks, I can't notice any real change in performance just wondering if any other risks associated with it |
| 19:04.42 | putnopvut | No risks. |
| 19:04.53 | Corydon76-dig | There's probably only about a 5% performance penalty or so |
| 19:05.08 | Corydon76-dig | plus the memory it takes up for each lock |
| 19:05.53 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: always risks... |
| 19:06.21 | putnopvut | true, but I can't think of any real added risk of defining DEBUG_THREADS |
| 19:06.42 | Corydon76-dig | We might have an unhandled edge case somewhere |
| 19:07.26 | Corydon76-dig | Nothing more than the usual, though |
| 19:08.23 | russellb | the performance penalty is bigger than that |
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| 19:08.48 | russellb | closer to 50% or something under my IAX2 load tests |
| 19:09.16 | russellb | don't remember exactly, but it was big |
| 19:09.51 | eurodrew555 | well as it would be, now that I enable DEBUGTHREADS the problem is not occurring.... |
| 19:09.53 | russellb | however, i'm on an SMP machine, and that was load testing code that performs best when it can run in parallel |
| 19:10.04 | russellb | however, the lock tracking serializes all locking operations |
| 19:10.10 | russellb | as they _all_ must access a global lock internally |
| 19:10.29 | russellb | eurodrew555: give it time |
| 19:13.00 | ctooley | oej, ping |
| 19:16.43 | oej | Pong |
| 19:19.44 | ctooley | So, we're looking for the "right" place to put this, and the only thing that everything uses for sending a "request" is send_request() |
| 19:21.16 | ctooley | if(method==INVITE || alwayssend == 1) { addSpecialHeaders() } |
| 19:22.17 | file | I read that as an OpenSER config for a second... lol |
| 19:26.51 | oej | Might be a good spot |
| 19:35.21 | Corydon76-dig | issue 11502#84223 |
| 19:35.51 | file | stares at MuffinMan |
| 19:36.21 | file | how odd. |
| 19:36.25 | file | it does not like that |
| 19:36.57 | Corydon76-dig | Is brett or jeff now looking at Mantis internal issues? |
| 19:37.26 | russellb | neither at this exact moment |
| 19:37.34 | russellb | but either of them are capable, depending on what the issue is |
| 19:37.44 | Corydon76-dig | http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=11502 |
| 19:37.52 | Corydon76-dig | APPLICATION WARNING #user_get_field() for NO_USER: |
| 19:37.52 | Corydon76-dig | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.03 | russellb | nice |
| 19:38.25 | Corydon76-dig | If you look down at the history, though, it should be Juggie |
| 19:38.26 | bbryant | that's interesting |
| 19:38.27 | russellb | bbryant: ping ... see above, whenever you have time |
| 19:38.32 | jpeeler | yeah that was my fault, but it's fixed |
| 19:38.33 | bbryant | ok |
| 19:38.42 | jpeeler | you can change the entry in the db if you want to fix that flawed instance |
| 19:38.42 | bbryant | k |
| 19:43.14 | Qwell | lmadsen: in the case of exten => call_handler, you wouldn't need to [n] |
| 19:43.22 | Qwell | since it's not a pattern prefixed by _ |
| 19:43.27 | lmadsen | oh ya |
| 19:43.29 | lmadsen | duh |
| 19:43.41 | lmadsen | shakes head at himself |
| 19:43.53 | lmadsen | can you reply to that post for historical sake? :) |
| 19:44.22 | Qwell | you can :p |
| 19:44.47 | lmadsen | stupid thunderbird doesn't show me my posts... :( |
| 19:44.51 | Qwell | lame |
| 19:44.54 | lmadsen | totally |
| 19:45.07 | Corydon76-dig | lmadsen: If you want to mess with your mind a little, think about how you would represent the characters '[' and ']' in a pattern match. |
| 19:45.07 | lmadsen | I'm sure I can make it do it... but I can't find the option (thunderbird on OSX) |
| 19:45.10 | russellb | um, that's not a thunderbird thing |
| 19:45.12 | russellb | it shows me mine |
| 19:45.21 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: easy - [[] |
| 19:45.42 | lmadsen | _NXX\\\[XX,1,NoOp() ? |
| 19:46.01 | Qwell | _NXX[[]XX,1,noop() |
| 19:46.13 | lmadsen | russellb: well, I'm running thunderbird... how would it not be a thunderbird thing? |
| 19:46.33 | lmadsen | might be a TB on OSX thing... I have no idea |
| 19:46.46 | russellb | i dunno, just saying, i use tb and it doesn't do that :) |
| 19:46.50 | lmadsen | on OSX? :) |
| 19:46.57 | russellb | yes |
| 19:47.01 | lmadsen | really... hrmmmm |
| 19:47.09 | russellb | used to anyway :-p until like 2 weeks ago |
| 19:47.30 | lmadsen | wonder if it has something to do with using my asteriskdocs.org email which goes via google mail servers |
| 19:47.39 | russellb | maybe |
| 19:47.46 | russellb | google apps <3 |
| 19:48.14 | lmadsen | totally |
| 19:48.32 | lmadsen | I track all my time via a google spreadsheet |
| 19:49.50 | ctooley | lmadsen, I think "send me my own messages" is a mailman setting |
| 19:52.07 | ctooley | yep, "Receive your own posts to the list?" |
| 19:52.36 | lmadsen | aha -- maybe that is off by default |
| 19:52.43 | russellb | you could also go to your sent messages folder, and reply to that |
| 19:53.07 | lmadsen | I don't use mailing lists often enough I guess :) |
| 19:54.45 | lmadsen | ctooley: hrmm, that seems to be on :) |
| 19:54.54 | lmadsen | guess I'll have to use the russellb method in the future |
| 19:55.12 | ctooley | lmadsen, well, then, you might be junking them. :) |
| 19:55.28 | lmadsen | probably something to do with the google mail system |
| 19:55.57 | russellb | patents the russellb method |
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| 19:56.28 | Corydon76-dig | trademarks 'mail system' |
| 19:56.59 | ctooley | lmadsen, yeah, have you checked Junk? |
| 19:57.23 | ctooley | err "Spam" |
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| 20:00.17 | lmadsen | I think I found a hidden option... hope it helps |
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| 20:06.36 | Qwell | lmadsen: which option? |
| 20:07.02 | lmadsen | I've closed the window now... but something about leaving a reply in the folder you were replying from, or something like that |
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| 21:16.05 | ctooley | Ok, is ast_pvt a "private" structure? is that what pvt stands for? |
| 21:17.03 | Corydon76-dig | ctooley: yes |
| 21:21.26 | seanbright | ok, so after installing all those pre-reqs and looking at the code... BasicBot's say method is brain-dead |
| 21:21.29 | seanbright | ah well. |
| 21:46.23 | ctooley | file, SVN::Client seems to be missing from MuffinMan, is that supposed to be in repotools or is a CPAN module? |
| 21:47.42 | tzafrir_laptop | libsvn-perl |
| 21:49.01 | ctooley | tzafrir_laptop, that sounds like a debian package |
| 21:49.13 | tzafrir_laptop | It is |
| 21:49.25 | ctooley | yeah, not running debian |
| 21:49.31 | tzafrir_laptop | Shame on you |
| 21:49.48 | tzafrir_laptop | What do you run? |
| 21:49.53 | ctooley | Cent |
| 21:50.26 | tzafrir_laptop | There should be a repository of popular perl modules and / or a simple script to generate a package from a perl module |
| 21:50.31 | ctooley | subversion-perl.i386 1.1.4-2.ent base |
| 21:50.52 | tzafrir_laptop | But I suspect this module is part of centos, as it is included in the source distribution of subversion |
| 21:51.11 | Corydon76-dig | ctooley: it appears to be in CPAN, under Alien::SVN |
| 21:54.27 | ctooley | grrr, it's trying to connect to irc.perl.org |
| 21:56.12 | ctooley | And when it did connect to our server, I can't figure out how to make it connect to a specific channel. :( |
| 21:57.05 | file | did you create a config file? |
| 21:57.36 | ctooley | file, yeah, it connects to the server... I think. |
| 21:58.23 | ctooley | nope, didn't connect to our server. :( |
| 21:58.47 | ctooley | # IRC Server address |
| 21:58.47 | ctooley | $server = "rlsirc.excel.com"; |
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| 22:24.14 | seanbright | ctooley: force install |
| 22:24.49 | seanbright | err |
| 22:24.49 | seanbright | nm |
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| 22:26.17 | seanbright | file: so without patching BasicBot i think it's a lost cause |
| 22:26.24 | seanbright | is sad. |
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| 23:16.54 | ctooley | Yeah, I've got everything installed, but I can't get BasicBot to connect to my server based on the configuration file. :( |
| 23:21.18 | ctooley | figured it out |
| 23:21.29 | ctooley | @channels is not defined in the muffinman.conf.sample file |
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| 23:51.00 | seanbright | ctooley: ah. i just added it to the sample conf and checked in. |
| 23:51.32 | ctooley | :) yeah, figured out what was wrong by running "perl -d muffinman.pl" |
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| 23:59.37 | seanbright | ctooley: it would be super if you could test the M12345#12345 stuff |
| 23:59.43 | seanbright | ctooley: i checked in a change to that about 2 hours ago |
| 23:59.48 | seanbright | to swallow extra newlines |
| 23:59.54 | seanbright | (i can't test it here) |
