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| 08:06.30 | puzzled | hi |
| 08:16.48 | tzafrir_laptop | hi |
| 08:22.56 | mvanbaak | yo |
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| 08:25.38 | mvanbaak | tzafrir_laptop: I'll look at your mail later today after work ok ? |
| 08:25.53 | mvanbaak | thanks for taking the time to write some of your thoughts |
| 08:26.18 | tzafrir_laptop | I hope to be able to write something more concrete later |
| 08:34.53 | mvanbaak | dont bother yet |
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| 12:20.53 | file | russellb: o.o |
| 12:21.13 | russellb | hi! |
| 12:22.10 | file | I need breakfast... blargh |
| 12:22.27 | caio1982 | russellb: morning sir! |
| 12:23.01 | caio1982 | russellb: a friend found an iax2 regression from bug 12479, do you have a minute? :) |
| 12:23.20 | caio1982 | or do you prefer to file a new bug? i didnt find a button or link to reopen it |
| 12:25.16 | russellb | please open a new bug report |
| 12:25.31 | mvanbaak | good mornin all |
| 12:25.44 | file | 'allo 'allo |
| 12:26.33 | russellb | M12479 |
| 12:26.42 | file | he's offline for a sec... |
| 12:26.44 | russellb | k |
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| 12:27.19 | DagMoller | russellb, BUG 0012479: IAX2 dial string behavior patch [closed] (http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=12479) |
| 12:28.09 | russellb | ha |
| 12:28.11 | russellb | thanks :-D |
| 12:28.51 | mvanbaak | russellb: did my email reach you ? I have no idea if I used the right address |
| 12:28.57 | mvanbaak | no need to go into the details now |
| 12:29.03 | russellb | i got both of them :) |
| 12:29.04 | mvanbaak | just want to know wether you got it |
| 12:29.07 | mvanbaak | ah ;) |
| 12:29.15 | russellb | i will let you know when i get to it |
| 12:29.21 | mvanbaak | sure, no problem |
| 12:29.30 | mvanbaak | like I said, just wanted to know |
| 12:30.04 | russellb | nods |
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| 13:48.21 | russellb | mvanbaak: just looked at your app documentation format stuff |
| 13:48.28 | russellb | it looks good ... one thought, though |
| 13:48.53 | russellb | in a perfect world, the Syntax section would not be needed ... |
| 13:49.19 | russellb | as hopefully all of that information is contained elsewhere |
| 13:49.31 | russellb | and the syntax could be built ... |
| 13:49.51 | russellb | dynamically |
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| 13:53.35 | russellb | pokes file |
| 13:53.40 | file | falls over |
| 13:53.45 | russellb | i'm looking at M12765 |
| 13:53.51 | russellb | manager deadlock when loading a module |
| 13:53.59 | file | yessir |
| 13:54.11 | russellb | would you mind if i took that from you while i work on a couple things? |
| 13:54.18 | russellb | or would you like me to just tell you what i see |
| 13:54.19 | file | go ahead |
| 13:54.21 | russellb | k |
| 14:01.08 | ZaVoid | morning guys |
| 14:01.35 | file | waves |
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| 14:04.00 | _ys | russellb: pthread_rwlock_wrlock() favored over pthread_rwlock_rdlock() |
| 14:04.23 | file | eh? |
| 14:05.15 | ctooley | codefreeze-lap, codefreeze, any luck on the data I sent you? (chan_sip slowdown)? |
| 14:05.17 | _ys | this about issue M12765 |
| 14:06.47 | file | _ys: that still would not allow the module load/unload commands to work if they muck with Manager actions |
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| 14:08.54 | file | shivers |
| 14:10.10 | mvanbaak | russellb: you have a point there |
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| 14:13.35 | russellb | mvanbaak: it's not easy, but that's my goal :) |
| 14:14.40 | mvanbaak | well, we have all the arguments etc in a tag |
| 14:14.50 | mvanbaak | together with the required flag |
| 14:14.52 | mvanbaak | not bad |
| 14:14.56 | mvanbaak | we could do it |
| 14:15.19 | russellb | :) |
| 14:15.57 | mcargile | Where is the announcement for the 1.2.28.1 release of Asterisk? I asked this same question about a week ago and was told it would be out that evening. I personally was waiting for this release for some time so I am sure others are as well. I would not have noticed it if I had not been poking around in the downloads.digium.com for something unrelated. |
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| 14:19.22 | russellb | sighs |
| 14:19.31 | codefreeze-lap | ctooley: no... nothing sensible. The only thing I can think of at the moment, is to upgrade the MTX_PROFILE macros to trace each lock in each module, rather than the current approach of tracing all locks together in each module, and not to time the trylock, but the actual block times. Maybe they did it via trylock so as to avoid deadlocks... |
| 14:21.07 | codefreeze-lap | ctooley: my hope is that one or some small set of locks will show vastly larger lock times than the rest. Then you have something to attack. |
| 14:22.39 | ctooley | That would be good, I'm still battling the "message not coordinated with response ACK" as well. |
| 14:25.10 | codefreeze-lap | ctooley: have you filed bugs against any of these problems yet? |
| 14:26.15 | ctooley | codefreeze-lap, No, one of them you were already working on so I assumed you probably already had a bug. The other one is a SIP message I wrote (300 Multiple choices) and while it's in my team branch, it's not in trunk yet. |
| 14:27.38 | codefreeze-lap | ctooley: forgive me, my memory is failing me... which one am I already working on? (expect a head-slapping oh-yeah!) |
| 14:28.43 | ctooley | codefreeze-lap, the slowdown in chan_sip (something related to you doing astobj2 work) |
| 14:30.15 | codefreeze-lap | ctooley: I've made note, but not via bug report yet. I work on that via my "enhancment" time. It might get more action if it were filed in the bug reports. More eyes to see and wonder that way. |
| 14:30.47 | codefreeze-lap | Plus, it doesn't get lost in the frenetic pace of the day-to-day |
| 14:30.53 | ctooley | goes off to login into mantis |
| 14:30.58 | russellb | file: http://pastebin.ca/1036899 |
| 14:31.17 | russellb | file: made the blacklist handling case insensitive, and also whitespace friendly |
| 14:32.07 | russellb | Command: MODULE load chan_sip.so |
| 14:32.11 | russellb | would have worked before |
| 14:32.24 | russellb | sillyness. |
| 14:32.32 | file | niiice |
| 14:32.33 | russellb | but yeah, that's what iw as doing. |
| 14:32.38 | file | hugs russellb |
| 14:32.59 | russellb | chases file around the yard |
| 14:43.08 | tzanger | dd/query russellb any word from the powers that be regarding this b410p milestone testing? |
| 14:43.12 | tzanger | hahaha |
| 14:43.15 | tzanger | dammit |
| 14:43.15 | russellb | nice |
| 14:43.29 | file | tzafrir: you silly goose |
| 14:43.33 | file | dang nabbit |
| 14:43.36 | file | tzanger: you silly goose! |
| 14:43.48 | file | tzafrir: you are not a silly goose |
| 14:44.53 | russellb | that gets me all the time |
| 14:44.56 | russellb | not all the time ... |
| 14:45.02 | russellb | but pretty much every time i want to type tzanger |
| 14:45.15 | russellb | i mean, you'd think tz<tab> would only complete to one nick .. |
| 14:45.31 | tzanger | hahaha |
| 14:45.39 | file | tzanger: I am now referring to you as andrew |
| 14:45.48 | tzanger | haha no worries |
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| 14:46.12 | file | or "hey you!" if the need arises |
| 14:48.13 | tzanger | hey you works too |
| 14:55.44 | mvanbaak | or tz<tab> |
| 14:59.59 | russellb | actually, tz<tab><tab><tab><tab> |
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| 15:07.20 | tzafrir_laptop | tz<tab><tab><tab> |
| 15:07.30 | seanbright | heh |
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| 15:08.44 | seanbright | that was short lived. |
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| 15:16.13 | ctooley | codefreeze-lap, M12772 |
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| 15:18.52 | jmls | yay! |
| 15:18.57 | jmls | is back .. |
| 15:19.10 | file | waves to jmls |
| 15:19.18 | jmls | watches all the -dev crowd run and pretend that they are not here anymore |
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| 15:19.41 | jmls | waves to the retreating person that is file |
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| 15:51.06 | Corydon76-lap | Gotta love when system uptime shows 2 weeks, but you know that for 13 of those days, the VM was suspended... |
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| 15:59.27 | outtolunc | cheater <G> |
| 16:01.56 | Corydon76-lap | Heh |
| 16:02.56 | tzafrir_laptop | yeah, that's what s2disk's for |
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| 16:19.41 | tzafrir_laptop | why does asterisk need to check for spandsp (as opposed to asterisk-addons)? |
| 16:19.53 | file | app_fax is moving |
| 16:20.04 | Corydon76-lap | spandsp license change allowed it |
| 16:20.04 | russellb | s/is moving/has moved/ |
| 16:21.21 | tzafrir_laptop | what version of spandsp do you test it with? |
| 16:21.31 | tzafrir_laptop | needs to update local version of spandsp |
| 16:21.50 | Corydon76-lap | I think 0.05 is the only version that is distributed under LGPL |
| 16:22.09 | Corydon76-lap | so it would have to be that one |
| 16:22.35 | tzafrir_laptop | that's also the one the released version of callweaver is built with |
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| 16:34.38 | ctooley | russellb, I would have posted it to the bug, I just don't have it anymore |
| 16:36.35 | russellb | oic |
| 16:36.37 | russellb | :) |
| 16:36.48 | russellb | i blame microsoft |
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| 17:18.17 | mvanbaak | first Corydon76, now russellb, who's next to be flamed on the ML ? |
| 17:18.47 | ctooley | mvanbaak, file |
| 17:18.56 | ctooley | he's always up for a fight. |
| 17:18.58 | ctooley | :) |
| 17:19.13 | mvanbaak | lol |
| 17:19.14 | ctooley | And he's usually a big bully. |
| 17:19.22 | file | yeah... a big bully |
| 17:21.30 | Corydon76-lap | I think I preferred people just getting mad about random posts not showing up |
| 17:22.59 | outtolunc | and the bad actor award goes too... <G> |
| 17:26.09 | Corydon76-lap | The thought had occurred to me that a few of them might have financial interests in various competitors... |
| 17:28.06 | Corydon76-lap | meanwhile, we're all bending over backwards, trying to ensure that we're not giving any company an unfair advantage |
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| 17:37.14 | ctooley | Willingness to do things in a fair and helpful manner is one of the big differentiators between good companies and evil companies. |
| 17:37.56 | ctooley | Not that things are that black and white, but moving further towards the "good" end of the scale is better than going the other way. |
| 17:42.32 | Corydon76-lap | Granted, but it's frustrating when you work towards being fair and you still get attempted sabotage |
| 17:43.20 | ctooley | Corydon76-lap, I completely understand, it's that way for me, just within our company. |
| 17:43.46 | russellb | i got flamed? |
| 17:43.48 | russellb | huh. |
| 17:44.51 | MikeJ | sneaks behind russellb and sets his sneakers on fire |
| 17:45.00 | russellb | eeeeeeeeep |
| 17:45.06 | russellb | waves to MikeJ |
| 17:45.15 | MikeJ | heya |
| 17:45.23 | file | reverse waves |
| 17:46.12 | russellb | does that cancel out my wave? |
| 17:46.21 | file | yes. |
| 17:46.27 | russellb | sorry MikeJ. |
| 17:46.31 | russellb | no wave for you! |
| 17:47.09 | MikeJ | my favorite one of the weekend.... guy has mera mvts on one side and sysmaster on the other.. the mera is sending 500 response to some calls randomly.. guy neglets to mention that.. makes it out like the open source stuff is failing... when he finally posts a trace.. and I say talk to mera... thats why your call is failing.. he said he already did .. and they couldn't find any logs of the call.. so it must be what its talking to |
| 17:47.14 | MikeJ | :( |
| 17:47.38 | mvanbaak | russellb: on -users |
| 17:47.49 | russellb | oh, right. |
| 17:48.05 | mvanbaak | "blablabla you are posting with your digium email address so you represent digium blablabla" |
| 17:48.23 | russellb | ignores it |
| 17:48.44 | mvanbaak | yeah |
| 17:49.39 | Corydon76-lap | MikeJ: besides that sysmaster is using an altered version of asterisk |
| 17:50.16 | russellb | are they still around? |
| 17:50.27 | MikeJ | Corydon76-lap: it wasn't event he sysmaster.. he was mad his mera was sending a 500 response.. and their support people said it never even got the call.. the sip trace however did not agree :D |
| 17:50.48 | MikeJ | sysmaster.. not sure... |
| 17:50.56 | MikeJ | but aparently this guy has one.. |
| 17:50.59 | MikeJ | :D |
| 17:51.10 | MikeJ | its just the attitude that cracks me up |
| 17:51.24 | mvanbaak | we still have customers running windows NT 3.5 |
| 17:51.41 | Corydon76-lap | He's running A to B... so C is at fault, basically |
| 17:51.42 | mvanbaak | so it does not amaze me ppl use stuff that is out of business for years |
| 17:53.21 | mvanbaak | gheh, Bruce Almighty on tv |
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| 19:31.54 | russellb | some 2008 dev stats ... http://pastebin.ca/1037140 |
| 19:34.29 | seanbright | 1.4.20.1 doesn't count? |
| 19:36.20 | russellb | i didn't count the "oops" releases. |
| 19:36.20 | russellb | :) |
| 19:36.32 | russellb | or the "oops, again" releases |
| 19:36.58 | seanbright | hehe |
| 19:37.23 | russellb | or the "you've got to be f'ing kidding me ... oops ..." releases |
| 19:45.18 | atis_work | 1.4.20.oops-1 |
| 19:45.20 | atis_work | :) |
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| 20:02.23 | atis_work | putnopvut: hey, shouldn't realtime queue members have ADDMEMBER and REMOVEMEMBER log entries? |
| 20:02.53 | atis_work | putnopvut: i'm thinking to add them within rt_handle_member_record for my own use :) |
| 20:03.36 | putnopvut | atis_work: That would probably good for any sort of dynamic queue member. |
| 20:03.51 | atis_work | putnopvut: ok, i'll post a patch when it's ready |
| 20:03.59 | putnopvut | atis_work: awesome! Thanks! |
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| 21:50.29 | Qwell | tzafrir: nice |
| 21:50.41 | Qwell | "as far as I'm concerned, they can go to ... |
| 21:50.45 | Qwell | Zaptel 1.2" :) |
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| 22:32.58 | seanbright | why do i get the felling that steve totaro wouldn't have a problem if it was the sangoma asterisk hardware device interface (SHADI)? |
| 22:35.21 | outtolunc | Sangoma Channel User Driver (SCUD) <G> |
| 22:35.34 | seanbright | i guess every community needs a sociopath |
| 22:35.36 | seanbright | and now we have one |
| 22:35.45 | outtolunc | aww <G> |
| 22:36.17 | Qwell | Sangoma Compatible Asterisk Tel...nevermind |
| 22:36.23 | seanbright | heh |
| 22:37.17 | outtolunc | wonders off thinking 'gee, just because i like to blow shit up.. sheesh' |
| 22:41.43 | Corydon76-lap | seanbright: or 3 |
| 22:42.07 | seanbright | Corydon76-lap: touche |
| 22:43.25 | seanbright | its really just hard for me to tell if they are trying to assist the process, hinder it, or completely sabotage it |
| 22:43.35 | seanbright | maybe its the just the delivery that i take issue with |
| 22:43.57 | seanbright | and the undertones of corporate corruption/conspiracy theories |
| 22:43.59 | seanbright | shrugs |
| 22:45.07 | Corydon76-lap | Some people are absolutely committed to the idea that the community is run by a company and not the other way around |
| 22:45.38 | seanbright | i would like to think that mark saying something would help, but i know that it wouldn't |
| 22:45.41 | seanbright | would just add fuel to the fire |
| 22:46.04 | seanbright | its just like politics though |
| 22:46.23 | seanbright | we are spending all this time talking about/dealing with unimportant issues |
| 22:46.37 | seanbright | and its all smoke and mirrors |
| 22:46.44 | seanbright | is this process perfect? no. far from it. |
| 22:46.58 | seanbright | but instead of just flaming everyone, offer assistance. help out. |
| 22:47.41 | Corydon76-lap | seanbright: are you saying we have a bikeshed? |
| 22:48.15 | seanbright | yes and no |
| 22:48.37 | seanbright | well, yes, but it's not that simple |
| 22:49.19 | Corydon76-lap | seanbright: I'm currently watching a google video that Russell recommended |
| 22:49.24 | seanbright | link? |
| 22:49.32 | Corydon76-lap | I'd seen it before, but I really needed a refresher |
| 22:49.39 | Corydon76-lap | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7287180007025709537&hl=en |
| 22:50.08 | seanbright | i like it already |
| 22:50.29 | Qwell | that the svn one? |
| 22:50.49 | Corydon76-lap | Yes |
| 22:58.26 | seanbright | i'll have to finish watching @ home |
| 22:58.29 | seanbright | back later. |
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| 23:19.36 | ctooley | Corydon76-dig, I take it you're the bad cop. :) |
| 23:24.07 | jtodd | In a not unrelated event, I saw that very presentation live just last Thursday. (They'll have a revised video soon.) Excellent discussion, and has good hints for everyone. |
| 23:24.19 | jtodd | s/ a / an / |
| 23:24.37 | jtodd | wait... did I really mean that? |
| 23:25.05 | jtodd | Me english getting badder quick very. |
| 23:27.01 | jbot | whacks lart himself upside the head, courtesy of royk |
| 23:32.27 | file | offers jtodd a cookie |
| 23:32.58 | Corydon76-lap | offers jtodd chocolate from his stash |
| 23:34.05 | Corydon76-lap | I believe we need disinfection |
| 23:34.07 | jtodd | takes cookies and chocolate. |
| 23:35.00 | Corydon76-lap | btw, I now have Wild Cherry M&Ms |
| 23:35.00 | jtodd | I don't think so. I believe we merely need to make discussions happen in such a way that they build consensus in a larger group. |
| 23:35.23 | Corydon76-lap | jtodd: how? |
| 23:36.27 | Corydon76-lap | When we bring up items for discussion, the silence is usually deafening until 12 months later, when somebody discovers a new release |
| 23:36.41 | jtodd | By having a larger group in the discussion. Currently, our environment is (in my opinion) too concentrated. We need to have some additional insights that are discussed by people outside the usual group. |
| 23:36.45 | Corydon76-lap | and then the sky is falling |
| 23:37.14 | jtodd | By diluting everyone with a wider range of opinion (or just a larger number of opinions) then we can get a real idea what the general consensus is. |
| 23:37.26 | Corydon76-lap | jtodd: but we already discuss it on the -dev list. How do we get a wider group to participate? |
| 23:37.56 | jtodd | I think we have a problem in that most * developers have a lot more things to do than weigh in on things until it pokes them in the eye, so we have to get a better way of pulling people into the conversation to reach "consensus". |
| 23:38.11 | jtodd | I don't know how we do that - I'm working on those ideas. |
| 23:38.46 | jtodd | But first I have to submit the preliminary speaker list for Astricon, so that's got 90% of my attention for the moment. |
| 23:39.15 | jtodd | Back to the spreadsheet grindstone.... <work drums begin to beat> |
| 23:39.34 | Corydon76-lap | Honestly, I think there are more developers who pay attention AND respond here in this channel both during the day and the evening hours (US Central Time) |
| 23:40.32 | Corydon76-lap | and I know we don't want to go that way because of the international users, but honestly, even some of the international users are the ones discussing things in here |
| 23:40.41 | jtodd | That is possible. However, I strongly agree with the concept in that video in that "If it doesn't happen on the list, it didn't happen." This allows everyone in all timezones to participate on decisions, or people who are asynchronous for that moment. |
| 23:41.25 | jtodd | This may not be the way things happen today, but I'll throw my $.02 in and say that's a good idea for decision-making. Decision-discussing might happen here on IRC, but I think summaries still need to go to the list before action is taken. Thoughts? |
| 23:41.44 | Corydon76-lap | jtodd: The problem is that the only people from other timezones who actually participate do so here and NOT on the mailing list |
| 23:42.49 | Corydon76-lap | Someone (who I will keep anonymous unless he speaks up) said today that there are a lot of lurkers who agree with posts and NEVER speak up |
| 23:43.03 | Corydon76-lap | and he mentioned your posts in particular |
| 23:43.12 | jtodd | I would tend to agree with that summary. |
| 23:43.52 | Corydon76-lap | And that's the problem. How do you build consensus when people are afraid to speak? |
| 23:44.15 | jtodd | That's why I said (carefully) that "need to make discussions happen in such a way that they build consensus in a larger group." and when I say "larger group" I mean people who are typically silent due to their own personal reasons or because simply they're too busy. |
| 23:44.35 | jtodd | Dunno. Gotta work on that. |
| 23:44.50 | Corydon76-lap | I dunno about the people who are too busy. |
| 23:44.57 | jtodd | they're the ones that are the most difficult. |
| 23:45.03 | jtodd | I know I'm usually in that group. |
| 23:45.41 | Corydon76-lap | The people who are too busy aren't typically the ones who have to deal with the immediacy of how to deal with the design decisions, though |
| 23:45.51 | Corydon76-lap | They tend to be management. |
| 23:46.35 | Corydon76-lap | It's the people who are actually doing the work of adapting those decisions into their systems that we need to have the feedback and discussion with |
| 23:46.45 | jtodd | I don't agree with that. Many, many of the programmers I've worked with say "I just can't keep up" as reason for not contributing to discussions. |
| 23:47.04 | jtodd | These are people that were/are paid to work directly with Asterisk. |
| 23:47.07 | Corydon76-lap | But that's the reason why we separated the -dev list from the -users list |
| 23:47.11 | jtodd | Even then. |
| 23:47.20 | jtodd | Look at the number of posts in the last 4 days. |
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| 23:47.31 | jtodd | It's not very quiet. |
| 23:47.37 | Corydon76-lap | I totally agree that the -users list can be unmanageable |
| 23:47.53 | Corydon76-lap | then we may need to refocus the -dev list |
| 23:48.40 | Corydon76-lap | Critch used to tell every other person posting to the -dev list that "that's for the -users list. Go there" |
| 23:48.49 | jtodd | And there is no clear threading on decisions that require "weighing in" on. There must be some better method of distilling a decision process out from a discussion process without resorting to "voting" which is an unworkable (and failure-prone) option. |
| 23:49.33 | jtodd | Perhaps a new set of nomenclatures for defining things. We had some success when we added "[patch]" into subjects of things on Mantis, right? |
| 23:49.41 | Corydon76-lap | Right |
| 23:49.53 | Corydon76-lap | You're thinking perhaps [design] ? |
| 23:50.00 | jtodd | Would something similar perhaps work on the -dev list to distinguish different thread concepts? |
| 23:50.05 | jtodd | Yes. |
| 23:50.28 | jtodd | Design vs. bugs vs. implementation vs. whatever. Dunno. Just a thought. |
| 23:50.55 | jtodd | Same list, but just different thread headers to allow people to focus on what they think is useful. Not sure if it scales without some list nazis, though. |
| 23:51.09 | Corydon76-lap | Well, I'd think [design] by itself is a clear delimiter of something that requires foresight and discussion |
| 23:51.36 | jtodd | I agree. But what other categories might also be suggested? |
| 23:51.51 | jtodd | and would people actually use those categories? That's the harder thing to forsee. |
| 23:52.03 | Corydon76-lap | The trouble of it is... how do you disseminate that idea? Chicken-and-egg proble. |
| 23:52.06 | Corydon76-lap | problem |
| 23:52.37 | Corydon76-lap | as long as the core developers use that nomenclature, I'm sure others will pick it up |
| 23:52.38 | jtodd | Actually, that's pretty self-starting. If half a dozen people start with that idea and gently correct others, I think it might stick. |
| 23:53.07 | Corydon76-lap | The trouble is, how do you ensure that people don't misuse it to call attention to themselves? |
| 23:54.09 | jtodd | Those aberrations will be much more evident in a system that has some sort of sorting and categorizations, and the offenders will quickly either modify their discussions to fit the forum or will simply look like disruptive elements and will be ignored. |
| 23:54.24 | jtodd | SO HOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU HERE ON THIS CHANNEL THAT ARE SILENTLY LISTENING BUT NOT SAYING ANYTHING? (sorry for the shouting - want to see if I can wake people up) |
| 23:55.08 | jtodd | Heh. Of course, this discussion should/will be summarized and sent to -dev after we're done. |
| 23:55.25 | jtodd | OK, I _really_ need to get back to this Astricon speaker list. |
| 23:55.30 | Corydon76-lap | Okay |
| 23:56.19 | jtodd | Anybody here on the channel going to Astricon who has a hot topic for discussion? |
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| 23:56.45 | Corydon76-lap | jtodd: if you come up with something for me to talk about, I'll do one |
| 23:57.14 | Corydon76-lap | ODBC or something |
| 23:57.30 | file | stumbles in |
| 23:57.49 | Corydon76-lap | pours file a beer |
| 23:58.02 | file | I wouldn't mind a strawberry daiquiri |
| 23:58.54 | Corydon76-lap | jtodd: how's that for a talk title... "ODBC or something" |
| 23:58.58 | file | jtodd: who from swdev has submitted? |
| 23:59.31 | jtodd | Corydon76-lap: I think it's a little vague. Something that has a bit more specific interest would be good. |