| 00:01.14 | russellb | the transcoder show CLI command didn't make it into the latest 1.4 release i think |
| 00:01.18 | russellb | it somehow got left out ... |
| 00:01.25 | russellb | i believe i remember this from the -users mailing list |
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| 00:02.19 | Qwell | Kevin added it recently, I assume he's running branch 1.4 |
| 00:02.32 | Qwell | but I don't think it was tested with a transcoder card, heh |
| 00:02.35 | russellb | FWIW |
| 00:03.24 | Qwell | russellb: any idea if atl has free wifi? |
| 00:03.43 | mog | atl has paid wifi |
| 00:03.50 | mog | and tmobile hotspots |
| 00:04.03 | Qwell | excellent |
| 00:04.10 | Qwell | I get to finally use these free hotspot cards I got months ago :p |
| 00:04.29 | mog | but the tmobile ones arent everywhere if i remember correctly |
| 00:04.34 | mog | but they advertise where they are |
| 00:04.35 | Qwell | ugh, lame |
| 00:06.16 | Qwell | btw... having a conversation with the same person in 4 different places... I love the internet |
| 00:06.32 | Qwell | who needs UC? I don't! |
| 00:06.56 | mog | want to up it Qwell? |
| 00:06.58 | mog | we can do sms |
| 00:07.00 | mog | email |
| 00:07.03 | Qwell | heh, no thanks, sms costs |
| 00:07.04 | mog | and your gtalk account |
| 00:07.16 | Qwell | oh, I was just thinking outside too |
| 00:07.26 | Qwell | any idea how/if app_directory supports ' in names? |
| 00:07.34 | mog | i dont know |
| 00:07.38 | mog | try digiums |
| 00:07.43 | mog | my name has ' in vmail config |
| 00:07.44 | Qwell | I was thinking "If I get locked out, I'm gonna have to call mog. I wonder how that'll work" |
| 00:08.25 | mog | i think youll be sol, i think malcolm told me before he couldnt find my name in the config |
| 00:08.34 | mog | er derictory |
| 00:09.37 | Qwell | wow, it totally doesn't work |
| 00:09.50 | mog | just type ' on your phone |
| 00:10.16 | Qwell | oh, hmm, maybe you just skip it |
| 00:10.44 | mog | its under the 0 |
| 00:11.15 | Qwell | You're Matt OGorman in voicemail.conf |
| 00:11.24 | mog | really my emails say the whole thing |
| 00:11.55 | Qwell | 0 goes to the o exten, and * to a |
| 00:12.04 | Qwell | would have to be 1 |
| 00:13.02 | Qwell | oh well |
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| 00:25.17 | snuff-work | and yes i am using trunk 1.4 ;) |
| 00:26.03 | Qwell | trunk 1.4 doesn't exist.. |
| 00:27.30 | Qwell | it's either 1.4 or trunk |
| 00:28.28 | snuff-work | ack.. i mean 1.4 svn |
| 00:39.59 | tzafrir_home | snuff-away, here? what is the problem exactly? what error? |
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| 00:42.54 | snuff-work | nah think its ok.. |
| 00:43.19 | snuff-work | with /etc/init.d/zaptel.. it doesn't try to load the tc400b module |
| 00:44.09 | tzafrir_home | you needed to add wctc4xxp to MODULES, right? |
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| 01:24.21 | snuff-work | yes |
| 01:24.34 | snuff-work | sorry in/out actually having to work |
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| 02:42.01 | Juggie | codefreeze: ping |
| 02:45.32 | snuff-work | Juggie: pong! dup! |
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| 02:47.56 | Juggie | snuff-away? |
| 02:49.12 | Juggie | snuff-away, you are not code freeze in disguise are you? |
| 03:14.50 | moy | im doing some simple changes to cli.c ... just want to be sure I did not break private cli entries "_command" ... a quick test would be? |
| 03:14.56 | moy | what a quick test could be? |
| 03:16.08 | moy | if such cli_entries were not working, command search would not work? right? |
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| 03:54.57 | snuff-work | would think so moy |
| 03:55.50 | moy | I hope so snuff-work :-) |
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| 04:34.42 | codefreeze | Juggie: still awake? I'm back; was out to Cody |
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| 04:36.18 | tzanger | U sgiy ry |
| 04:36.19 | tzanger | er |
| 04:36.36 | tzanger | I should run some wireshark captures to see if the tdmoe traffic is consistent |
| 04:36.46 | tzanger | this is infuriating though |
| 04:36.51 | tzanger | I took it from 30 channels to 288 and it worked |
| 04:37.02 | tzanger | but when I tried to decouple the timing, it only mostly works |
| 04:39.01 | tzanger | oh, and a software loopback in the wtdx driver (basically where I normally read from the tdm elastic buffer, I read from the tdmoe one instead) shows perfect, consistent timing |
| 04:39.05 | tzanger | I think, I should run that again too |
| 04:39.47 | tzanger | basically nothing in hardware's changed, I just have the DSP serving two masters and decoupling them through the elastic buffers instead of being the master of the TDMoE link |
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| 04:45.45 | Juggie | codefreeze: pong |
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| 05:10.26 | codefreeze | Juggie: still there? |
| 05:16.06 | Juggie | yes |
| 05:16.11 | Juggie | but are you? :P |
| 05:16.57 | Juggie | codefreeze: ping ping ping |
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| 05:22.02 | ManxPower | tzanger: Sounds like it is time for Digium to hire you. |
| 05:28.44 | tzanger | heh |
| 05:30.09 | Juggie | tzanger, 288 channels on tdmoe? |
| 05:30.39 | Juggie | i wish me and code freeze would stop playing irc tag |
| 05:31.38 | tzanger | Juggie: actually it's 4x that |
| 05:31.50 | tzanger | 288 channels is the link between the PC and one PBX |
| 05:32.02 | tzanger | there are 4 PBX chassis that are interfaced to each PC |
| 05:32.21 | Juggie | ic |
| 05:32.30 | Juggie | hot, amazing what you can do w/ no ip overhead :) |
| 05:32.39 | Juggie | now, do g729 tdmoe and i'll be impressed :) |
| 05:33.32 | codefreeze | Juggie!! I'm here! Now! |
| 05:33.44 | snuff-work | they finally meet!! |
| 05:33.47 | snuff-work | the drama |
| 05:33.50 | snuff-work | :P |
| 05:34.20 | Juggie | codefreeze! |
| 05:34.25 | Juggie | fix CDRFix5 |
| 05:34.34 | Juggie | you neglected a define in cdr.h |
| 05:34.36 | Juggie | and app_queue is hosed |
| 05:35.18 | codefreeze | No, I looked at it. App_queue went and decided to do some fancy stuff with cdrs. While I wasn't lookin'. |
| 05:35.44 | snuff-work | evil queues |
| 05:36.28 | Juggie | ic |
| 05:44.00 | paravoid | hrm |
| 05:44.26 | paravoid | a Debian user reported that Asterisk doesn't do flock() when updating voicemail.conf |
| 05:44.52 | paravoid | any particular reason for that? |
| 05:46.30 | tzanger | Juggie: yeah this isn't meant to be routed |
| 05:47.12 | Juggie | tzanger, yah i know how the tdmoe works |
| 05:47.16 | Juggie | but stick g729 on it :) |
| 05:47.40 | tzanger | and honestly 1200 ulaw channels is above what I'd consider comfortable for 100mbps ethernet |
| 05:47.50 | tzanger | the DSP could do g729 without blinking |
| 05:48.00 | tzanger | the poor PC though... |
| 05:48.55 | tzanger | I need to get digium to develop a transocder card with 100mbps ethernet on it |
| 05:49.03 | tzanger | tdmoe -> transocde -> ulaw to PCI |
| 05:53.26 | snuff-work | heh |
| 06:07.16 | denon | dream big |
| 06:07.19 | denon | why not 10gige? |
| 06:08.19 | snuff-work | mmm...new sun ultra sparc T2 |
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| 07:17.56 | luke-jr | Is 1.4 absolutely feature frozen? |
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| 08:15.31 | jmls_asleep | luke-jr: depends on who you are ;) |
| 08:19.13 | luke-jr | jmls_asleep: I want to add some minor improvements to res_jabber |
| 08:19.21 | luke-jr | stuff that really should be there already, IMO |
| 08:19.31 | luke-jr | (priority and status on clients) |
| 08:20.17 | luke-jr | patch is almost working |
| 08:22.59 | jmls_asleep | improvements, or bug fixes ? |
| 08:24.56 | luke-jr | jmls_is_awake: depends on how you look at it |
| 08:25.21 | jmls_is_awake | that's what I'm trying to tell you ... ;) |
| 08:25.36 | jmls_is_awake | bug fixes are always welcome in the 1.4 branch |
| 08:25.38 | luke-jr | pretty sure it's part of the basic RFCs, and without it, res_jabber is lacking in practical value |
| 08:25.43 | jmls_is_awake | new features are not ... |
| 08:26.01 | jmls_is_awake | be careful of the wording when you put the patch on mantis '< |
| 08:28.03 | luke-jr | http://rafb.net/p/HfihFA96.html |
| 08:28.36 | luke-jr | "This removes the (often false) assumptions of a priority 0 and Available status"? ☺ |
| 08:32.27 | luke-jr | ? |
| 09:28.45 | luke-jr | http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10785 |
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| 09:36.43 | yannj_fr | HI everybody |
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| 10:07.14 | jmls | morning all |
| 10:18.38 | luke-jr | ugh |
| 10:18.48 | luke-jr | despite all the bugs in 1.2's AEL |
| 10:18.54 | luke-jr | 1.4's is 10 times worse ☹ |
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| 10:52.48 | jmls | would someone please cast their beady eye over a patch ? |
| 10:52.50 | jmls | M10790 |
| 10:52.51 | MuffinMan | [new] [Asterisk] Core/ManagerInterface 0010790: Cannot add channel to group if using AMI Originate reported by jmls http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10790 |
| 10:52.55 | jmls | thanks ! |
| 10:53.02 | jmls | ~wake jsmith-away |
| 10:53.03 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on jsmith-away and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 12:07.33 | jmls | ~nudge jsmith-away |
| 12:07.34 | jbot | ACTION elbows jsmith-away until he gets jsmith-away's attention |
| 12:07.40 | codefreeze | luke-jr: still there? what's this about AEL (1.4) being 10 times worse? What's wrong? Hopefully, I can help. |
| 12:07.42 | jmls | heh. revenge is sweet |
| 12:07.53 | jmls | codefreeze: he's winding you up |
| 12:08.34 | codefreeze | jmls: mayhaps. but it might be just the 'nudge' and 'wake' I need! |
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| 12:08.48 | jmls | ~windup codefreeze |
| 12:08.50 | awk | jmls u able to help me with hints? |
| 12:08.54 | awk | hints with parked calls |
| 12:08.58 | jmls | nope |
| 12:09.10 | jmls | ask my wife. I don't do hints |
| 12:09.27 | awk | mwhaha |
| 12:09.28 | awk | ye :) |
| 12:09.43 | jmls | ~wobble codefreeze |
| 12:09.44 | jbot | ACTION pushes codefreeze so that he wobbles like file |
| 12:09.56 | awk | ~stfu jmls |
| 12:10.00 | awk | pfcft |
| 12:10.07 | awk | it never listens to me |
| 12:10.10 | jmls | heh |
| 12:10.39 | awk | ill pay u 3 moola if you can help me |
| 12:10.55 | jmls | sorry, I _really_ don't do hints. never used 'em |
| 12:11.07 | awk | no moola for you |
| 12:11.18 | jmls | booo! hiss! |
| 12:12.06 | awk | i got a feeling its a bug like what came about with asterisk 1.2.24 |
| 12:12.20 | awk | yet i aint patching it like metermaid |
| 12:12.25 | awk | it should just work |
| 12:14.14 | jmls | god, what is it with women ? Me to wife: "Honey, I've really got a lot of work to do today, so anything you can do to help I would appreciate" |
| 12:14.22 | jmls | wife to me "sure thing" |
| 12:15.08 | jmls | 2 hours later: wife to me "Right, I've got to go to this shop now, and I cannot take the kids. You don't mind looking after them for a couple of hours, do you ?" |
| 12:15.18 | jmls | and then wonders why I am "in a mood" ... |
| 12:17.11 | file | silly restaurant... |
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| 12:21.53 | awk | hah |
| 12:21.57 | awk | married life :) |
| 12:22.02 | awk | got to love it |
| 12:23.57 | awk | well it allways seems worse than it is |
| 12:24.07 | awk | imagine your life without her, think about it carefully :) |
| 12:24.14 | awk | it wouldnt be so great! |
| 12:26.24 | jmls | ...... |
| 12:28.12 | snuff-home | mm great game of AFL |
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| 13:15.30 | jmls | codefreeze: several mantis bugs raised for ael ... |
| 13:15.33 | jmls | M10787 |
| 13:15.34 | MuffinMan | [new] [Asterisk] PBX/pbx_ael 0010787: Impossible to make optional macro arguments in 1.4 reported by Luke-Jr http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10787 |
| 13:15.36 | jmls | M10786 |
| 13:15.37 | MuffinMan | [new] [Asterisk] PBX/pbx_ael 0010786: #include directive does not work reported by Luke-Jr http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10786 |
| 13:15.49 | jmls | M10789 |
| 13:15.49 | MuffinMan | [new] [Asterisk] PBX/pbx_ael 0010789: No way to set a variable without math reported by Luke-Jr http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10789 |
| 13:19.18 | file | M10788 |
| 13:19.19 | MuffinMan | [new] [Asterisk] PBX/pbx_ael 0010788: for loops broken reported by Luke-Jr http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10788 |
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| 13:32.43 | jmls | yay! jsmith ! |
| 13:32.57 | jmls | ~poke jsmith |
| 13:32.58 | jbot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind jsmith, pokes jsmith repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 13:33.12 | jsmith | Hey jmls |
| 13:33.16 | jsmith | How did your tests go? |
| 13:33.27 | jmls | M10790 |
| 13:33.27 | MuffinMan | [new] [Asterisk] Core/ManagerInterface 0010790: Cannot add channel to group if using AMI Originate reported by jmls http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10790 |
| 13:33.41 | jmls | works well with the patch ! |
| 13:33.49 | jsmith | Glad to hear it |
| 13:34.15 | jmls | patching app_dial didn't work - had to find the right place in channel.c ;) |
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| 13:52.52 | tzanger | morning |
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| 14:10.30 | IvanV3835 | Hi. Can I receive consultation on the module "autoservice.c"? |
| 14:13.57 | russellb | IvanV3835: it's best to just ask |
| 14:15.07 | IvanV3835 | Why protection of a code is not stipulated: |
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| 14:15.33 | IvanV3835 | chan = ast_waitfor_n(mons, x, &ms); |
| 14:15.33 | IvanV3835 | if (chan) { |
| 14:15.33 | IvanV3835 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.33 | IvanV3835 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.33 | IvanV3835 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.34 | IvanV3835 | } |
| 14:16.05 | IvanV3835 | in the method autoservice_run |
| 14:17.06 | IvanV3835 | For this reason regular crash is had |
| 14:17.41 | IvanV3835 | http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10765 |
| 14:17.52 | russellb | that should be valid |
| 14:17.59 | Qwell | is that what's causing that? |
| 14:18.43 | russellb | that exact same code exists all over asterisk |
| 14:18.45 | russellb | it has to work |
| 14:18.49 | russellb | if it doesn't, the problem is elsewhere |
| 14:19.30 | IvanV3835 | See backtrace - it do not work propertly |
| 14:19.34 | Qwell | well, the backtrace is further inside the ast_read |
| 14:19.57 | Qwell | (I'm not actually here btw) |
| 14:20.57 | IvanV3835 | src call from autoservice_run |
| 14:22.19 | IvanV3835 | from "struct ast_frame *f = ast_read(chan);" line 87 |
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| 14:23.26 | IvanV3835 | The reason can be only one: the object by the moment of a call is not so accessible |
| 14:25.15 | russellb | IvanV3835: it may have to do with whatever else is going on in asterisk at the time |
| 14:25.34 | russellb | it would be useful to describe what type of setup you have and what is going on when it crashes |
| 14:26.10 | putnopvut | Any obvious reason why chan->generator might be NULL? |
| 14:26.22 | russellb | not an obvious one, no |
| 14:26.26 | russellb | i was looking around for that |
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| 14:27.13 | Qwell | russellb: if you have some time today, would you be willing to review the patch in 10774? :) |
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| 14:27.25 | Qwell | I don't feel comfortable just committing it |
| 14:27.26 | file | yay bweschke |
| 14:27.32 | bweschke | yay file! |
| 14:27.36 | russellb | Qwell: yeah, i'll try |
| 14:27.45 | IvanV3835 | We have achieved sufficient reproducibility of a situation |
| 14:27.54 | bweschke | /me got his jabber <--> irc transport working, finally.. thx to davevg-btwtech for that |
| 14:28.03 | IvanV3835 | I have several core dump |
| 14:28.09 | Qwell | russellb: it makes a bunch of stuff consted |
| 14:28.19 | Qwell | const void *, as odd as that may sound |
| 14:29.48 | russellb | ooh, API changes for 1.4 |
| 14:29.48 | russellb | yay |
| 14:30.10 | Qwell | crap...yeah, didn't think of that |
| 14:30.21 | bweschke | O.o |
| 14:30.33 | russellb | it's ok |
| 14:30.34 | russellb | i don't care |
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| 14:31.32 | IvanV3835 | I thinking, that know as to solve a problem. It architectural. 24.09.2007 I shall sound it. |
| 14:31.56 | IvanV3835 | Should leave |
| 14:32.44 | russellb | ok, thanks for the help debugging! |
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| 14:41.27 | rexile | so whats the benefit of using 'void *foo[0];' in a struct vs. 'void *foo;'? i see that the size of the resulting structs is 4 bites smaller, but i don't really get why :) |
| 14:42.17 | russellb | the [0] means don't allocate memory for it at all |
| 14:42.33 | russellb | the address of foo points to the first byte _after_ sizeof(the struct) |
| 14:42.37 | Qwell | that can only be used at the end of a struct, right? |
| 14:42.45 | Qwell | or, would only be useful |
| 14:42.47 | russellb | it's useful for allocating bytes off of the end of the struct |
| 14:42.48 | russellb | right |
| 14:42.52 | Corydon76-dig | Unless you have a union |
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| 14:43.14 | rexile | but the "address of foo" should still take up 4 bytes? |
| 14:43.25 | rexile | thats the part i don't get |
| 14:43.25 | Corydon76-dig | Could be done as an alternative to a union, that is |
| 14:43.26 | rexile | :) |
| 14:43.44 | Corydon76-dig | rexile: nope, the address of it is virtual |
| 14:44.05 | rexile | Corydon76-dig: is this gcc magic or standard/ |
| 14:44.05 | rexile | ? |
| 14:44.19 | Corydon76-dig | I believe it's standard C99 |
| 14:44.23 | rexile | ah |
| 14:45.25 | Qwell | rexile: it's like having a struct with only char blah[4], and doing x = blah + 4 |
| 14:45.37 | Qwell | you're intentionally going past it |
| 14:46.08 | rexile | i understand the use/benefit of it |
| 14:46.13 | Corydon76-dig | Not coincidentally, but it drives some CS profs up the wall about bounds-checking |
| 14:46.15 | rexile | just didn't understand the 'how it works' side |
| 14:46.52 | russellb | gotcha |
| 14:47.06 | file | just assume everything is done via magic, it makes life simple |
| 14:47.26 | russellb | if it's a string, i kind of like doing char[1], to help avoid potential off by one errors if someone forgets to do strlen(str) + 1 |
| 14:47.27 | Corydon76-dig | file: magic crashes, magic deadlocks, magic race conditions |
| 14:47.30 | russellb | for the allocation size |
| 14:47.40 | file | Corydon76-dig: exactly! |
| 14:48.11 | rexile | magicians scare me |
| 14:48.55 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: we need a func_duffy |
| 14:49.02 | Corydon76-dig | Eh? |
| 14:49.11 | Qwell | implement duffy's device in a dialplan func |
| 14:49.20 | jsmith | russellb: ACK |
| 14:49.29 | russellb | jsmith: did you see my message yesterday about asterisk-test? |
| 14:49.34 | russellb | jsmith: i started playing ... |
| 14:49.41 | russellb | it's ok if you hate it, though :) |
| 14:49.51 | russellb | my bash foo isn't that strong. |
| 14:50.04 | jsmith | No, that's cool... I just downloaded it, but haven't looked at it yet |
| 14:50.07 | russellb | k |
| 14:50.22 | russellb | np ... just a friendly "poke" to let you know some stuff was there for whenever you have the time and interest. |
| 14:50.45 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: Google finds nothing |
| 14:50.51 | Qwell | oh, duh |
| 14:50.53 | Qwell | no y |
| 14:50.55 | Qwell | duff's device |
| 14:50.57 | jsmith | for (now) { time < interest; } |
| 14:51.32 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: a very "interesting" usage of "valid" C |
| 14:51.37 | jsmith | Qwell: What was the other channel you wanted jbot in? |
| 14:51.44 | Qwell | jsmith: #asterisk-bugs |
| 14:51.51 | Qwell | I think he'd be useful in there sometimes |
| 14:52.20 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff's_device |
| 14:52.40 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: yes, I'm reading |
| 14:55.44 | Corydon76-dig | I remember seeing that back in my CS days, and I believe it also gave me a headache then |
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| 14:56.52 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: it's quite disturbing |
| 14:57.56 | Corydon76-dig | Is it more disturbing that I just envisioned the assembly listing in my head? |
| 14:58.08 | jmls_school_run | yes |
| 14:58.12 | Qwell | not really - that's probably the only way to actually think what it does |
| 14:58.31 | Corydon76-dig | At one time, I could even hand-assemble those instructions |
| 14:59.08 | jmls | LD A,2 |
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| 14:59.13 | jmls | Z80 ! |
| 14:59.14 | MuffinMan | [80] Committed by markster on 2002-04-21 15:05:55: Version 0.2.0 from FTP |
| 14:59.15 | jmls | yay |
| 14:59.18 | Corydon76-dig | Work with instructions long enough and you commit the mnemonic -> hex code to memory |
| 14:59.29 | jmls | whoa ... |
| 14:59.33 | jmls | Z77 |
| 14:59.34 | MuffinMan | [77] Committed by markster on 2002-04-12 20:37:37: Version 0.2.0 from FTP |
| 14:59.39 | jmls | heh. cool |
| 15:00.06 | jmls | what's "Z" then ? M is muffinMan, I thought that A was the subversion release |
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| 15:00.14 | Corydon76-dig | jmls: zaptel |
| 15:00.15 | Qwell | Z=zaptel |
| 15:00.20 | jmls | ooohhhhh. |
| 15:00.22 | russellb | M=mantis |
| 15:00.27 | Qwell | A=asterisk, AA=asterisk-addons |
| 15:00.32 | Corydon76-dig | L80 |
| 15:00.32 | Qwell | G1000 |
| 15:00.33 | MuffinMan | [80] Committed by citats on 2004-03-29 05:18:38: Make pri_dump_info print newly added pri->windowlen |
| 15:00.37 | Qwell | no gui |
| 15:00.39 | Qwell | AA100 |
| 15:00.44 | Corydon76-dig | L=libpri |
| 15:00.46 | Qwell | I thought aa was asterisk-addons anyhow |
| 15:01.00 | Corydon76-dig | G80 |
| 15:01.10 | Corydon76-dig | What, no gastman? |
| 15:01.22 | Qwell | when was the last commit to that - like 3 years ago? |
| 15:01.28 | russellb | gastman is/was cool |
| 15:01.29 | Corydon76-dig | Heh, probably |
| 15:01.32 | russellb | it's too bad nobody works on it |
| 15:01.55 | Corydon76-dig | In fact, we have custom icons for everybody at VCCH |
| 15:02.26 | Corydon76-dig | digital photo, cleaned up with Gimp, saved as xpm |
| 15:02.39 | russellb | neat. |
| 15:03.01 | russellb | it used to be used at digium |
| 15:03.07 | russellb | it would be fun to have it connect now |
| 15:03.09 | Corydon76-dig | Unfortunately, the number of photos for Digium staff... you kinda need a really large monitor... |
| 15:04.18 | russellb | pwned by no configure script to check for what i need ... |
| 15:04.33 | Corydon76-dig | Heh |
| 15:04.43 | Corydon76-dig | We could autoconf it... |
| 15:04.54 | russellb | yeah |
| 15:05.08 | Corydon76-dig | Ditto for gnophone |
| 15:05.23 | russellb | gnophone uses scons right now i think |
| 15:05.31 | Corydon76-dig | and get res_whiteboard rewritten! |
| 15:05.41 | russellb | wtf do i need to install to get db.h |
| 15:05.51 | Corydon76-dig | libdb-dev |
| 15:06.35 | Corydon76-dig | only it's like libdb4.5-dev |
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| 15:08.53 | putnopvut | G56 |
| 15:09.30 | russellb | yay, connected to misery |
| 15:09.34 | tzanger | haha |
| 15:09.43 | tzanger | that's something to be happy about? |
| 15:09.48 | russellb | hehe |
| 15:09.51 | russellb | well, it's just cool |
| 15:09.56 | russellb | lots of calls ... |
| 15:09.56 | tzanger | :-) |
| 15:10.28 | russellb | must ... resist ... dragging calls to the trash ... |
| 15:11.34 | russellb | hm, didn't work |
| 15:11.39 | russellb | right click, hangup did though |
| 15:21.46 | Corydon76-dig | Yay, my new SQL Ledger report is now working |
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| 15:49.13 | yannj_fr | hello everybody! |
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| 15:58.19 | jmls | heh. murf is going to be busy ... ;) |
| 16:05.04 | codefreeze | jmls: correction: murf IS busy. Up to hips in astricon presentations |
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| 16:34.35 | key2 | hi |
| 16:34.38 | key2 | just a lil question |
| 16:44.17 | russellb | your question was so lil i didn't see it |
| 16:47.19 | key2 | russellb ;)) |
| 16:47.31 | key2 | when I have a ast_frame_T *zt_read() |
| 16:47.48 | key2 | I guess it expects that zt_read returns a frame and it queue it itself ? |
| 16:47.56 | key2 | or can I do a ast_queue_frame() and return NULL; |
| 16:50.04 | Corydon76-dig | If you call ast_read, you're expected to know what you want to do with that frame |
| 16:50.16 | Corydon76-dig | and ast_read is what calls zt_read |
| 16:50.48 | Corydon76-dig | ast_queue_frame is for queuing frames that will be read off the channel with ast_read |
| 16:51.50 | Corydon76-dig | Basically, ast_queue_frame is for emulating as if a frame came from a device |
| 16:52.29 | key2 | ok |
| 16:52.29 | key2 | thx |
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| 16:57.30 | Juggie | russellb: ping |
| 16:58.04 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: I suspect all those guys are in internal training right now |
| 16:58.16 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: might retry after 2 |
| 16:58.16 | Juggie | o, i didnt know there was training going on |
| 16:58.31 | Juggie | wanna fix a quick bug for me so i dont have to do a bug report and such |
| 16:58.38 | Corydon76-dig | Yeah, the dev guys teach classes every other Friday |
| 16:58.56 | Corydon76-dig | What's the bug? |
| 16:59.16 | Juggie | in cdr_manager if theres no config file, the function returns 0, but if enable = no (it should return 0, so it doesnt run a _register) but it doesnt |
| 16:59.26 | Juggie | causes a register when the backend isnt supposed to be enabled |
| 16:59.37 | Corydon76-dig | trunk or 1.4? |
| 16:59.42 | Juggie | i see it in trunk |
| 16:59.45 | Juggie | never looked @ 1.4 |
| 17:00.29 | Juggie | ya same problem |
| 17:00.45 | Corydon76-dig | AST_MODULE_DECLINE_LOAD ? |
| 17:00.47 | Juggie | it should not register if enable = no i woudn't think. |
| 17:01.23 | Juggie | yeah, its doing a decline if the config file is missing |
| 17:01.28 | Juggie | but NOT if enable = no |
| 17:01.31 | Juggie | which to me is the same. |
| 17:02.13 | Corydon76-dig | Hmmm, I dunno |
| 17:02.23 | Juggie | the reason i rean into it is because my code was creating a thread for a backend which wasnt really enabled |
| 17:02.34 | Juggie | and i have no way of knowing if its enabled or not unless it declines to load |
| 17:02.41 | Juggie | if it registers then i assume its enabled |
| 17:02.51 | Juggie | *ran |
| 17:03.23 | Corydon76-dig | Okay, but at the worst, you just get a frame that continually calls sched_yield(), right? |
| 17:03.31 | Corydon76-dig | s/frame/thread/ |
| 17:03.53 | Juggie | frame? |
| 17:03.57 | Juggie | i'm talking cdr's. |
| 17:04.25 | Corydon76-dig | I'm concerned because if somebody changes that value at a time other than load time and commits a reload, then your thread won't start or stop at the right time |
| 17:04.26 | Juggie | er, nm... |
| 17:05.01 | Juggie | well |
| 17:05.08 | Juggie | if they do a reload then that should run load_config again. |
| 17:05.25 | Juggie | ah, but it wont register again |
| 17:05.29 | Corydon76-dig | Right, but load_config isn't responsible (and shouldn't be) for calling the register |
| 17:05.54 | Juggie | the same problem would exist though if someone added the entire config file after asterisk had loaded |
| 17:05.55 | Juggie | and did a reload |
| 17:06.04 | Corydon76-dig | Right |
| 17:06.31 | Juggie | ah, nm, reload calls load_config |
| 17:06.41 | Juggie | it should be fine. |
| 17:06.48 | Juggie | gr, nm |
| 17:06.53 | Juggie | too many load_* functions |
| 17:07.08 | Corydon76-dig | No, you're right, there's a bug |
| 17:07.20 | mvanbaak | a bug in * ? |
| 17:07.25 | Juggie | never :) |
| 17:07.34 | Corydon76-dig | If we recreate the file post-startup, then the function is never registered |
| 17:07.39 | Juggie | right. |
| 17:07.46 | Juggie | that is probally true of most of the backends |
| 17:07.48 | Corydon76-dig | Okay, we can fix that |
| 17:07.54 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: actually, no |
| 17:08.29 | Juggie | ok, well thats good news then :) |
| 17:08.38 | Juggie | so, ya, reload should really call load_module |
| 17:10.46 | Juggie | Corydon76, the other modules will register/unregister if someone enables or disables them on a reload? |
| 17:11.13 | Juggie | i think most of the backends just register and if they are disabled just throw away the cdr record |
| 17:11.54 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: most don't return AST_MODULE_LOAD_DECLINE for those cases |
| 17:12.00 | Juggie | right. |
| 17:13.01 | Juggie | which would mean i'll have un-necessairy threads created because i wont know if the backend is really enabled, or if it is just loading with no intent of saving anything |
| 17:13.17 | ManxPower | Does zttest have ANYTHING to do with the T-1/E-1 sync source (timing)? |
| 17:13.23 | Juggie | no |
| 17:13.28 | Juggie | its all irq stuff |
| 17:13.55 | Juggie | so far as i know anyways |
| 17:14.08 | ManxPower | tzafrir_home: seems to think otherwise. |
| 17:14.35 | Juggie | ask mattf? |
| 17:14.47 | tzafrir_home | well, I don't really know PCI cards that well |
| 17:14.50 | Corydon76-dig | Juggie: do you shut down a thread when a CDR module unregisters? |
| 17:15.06 | Juggie | yes |
| 17:15.10 | Corydon76-dig | Good |
| 17:15.15 | Juggie | of course :) |
| 17:19.57 | tzafrir_home | russellb, is it possible for me to get a writable space in the svn under asterisk/team ? |
| 17:20.50 | Juggie | you probally already have access to group/ |
| 17:20.54 | tzafrir_home | There's no team/tzafrir , and I can't seem to be able to write to team/group |
| 17:21.05 | Juggie | email russell |
| 17:21.29 | Corydon76-dig | tzafrir_home: dev group is in training right now |
| 17:22.27 | key2 | Corydon76-dig: when I have a ast_frame_t *f; if I malloc a buffer and do f->data = buffer; is asterisk gonna free it ? |
| 17:23.00 | Corydon76-dig | No |
| 17:23.10 | Corydon76-dig | You must always free what you malloc |
| 17:23.36 | Corydon76-dig | If Asterisk does anything with it, it will copy the frame first |
| 17:23.45 | Corydon76-dig | i.e. with ast_frdup |
| 17:24.24 | anonymouz666 | and like everything in life is much easier to destroy (using free) than to build (malloc) :) |
| 17:25.06 | Corydon76-dig | Hence also ast_frfree() |
| 17:25.53 | key2 | yeah but when a function returns a *ast_frame_t, and the struct has f->data = malloc'd buffer, how am I supposed to free it since it has been malloc'd |
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| 17:26.59 | key2 | and returned |
| 17:34.04 | jmls | is there any way of creating a single-channel originate ? |
| 17:34.26 | jmls | I want to be able to call an extension in the dialplan, and do "some stuff" before hanging up. |
| 17:34.38 | jmls | iow I don't want / need to bridge to another channel |
| 17:35.11 | Corydon76-dig | key2: ast_frfree takes care of the logic |
| 17:36.23 | key2 | codefreeze: yeah but if you do a return f; |
| 17:36.32 | key2 | you are out of the function |
| 17:36.42 | key2 | how are you supposed to free |
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| 18:11.04 | JerJer | are there any specific bugs / features anyone wants to work on in the CodeZone this year? |
| 18:12.13 | JerJer | so far I have SIP Spiral, SRTP, and adding realtime dynamic into moh (the later being my own personal 'feature' need :) |
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| 18:13.52 | JerJer | trying to see if there can at least be a half-ass orignized game plan this year |
| 18:17.06 | Juggie | Corydon76-dig: ping |
| 18:24.36 | ManxPower | jmls: did you read localchannel.txt? |
| 18:25.29 | ManxPower | If so you will be familiar with the /n option. |
| 18:28.26 | Corydon76-dig | pong |
| 18:28.50 | Juggie | Corydon76-dig, i was gonna ask about your cdr_manager patch, but i read it a second time and i get it now :) |
| 18:29.06 | Corydon76-dig | Ah |
| 18:29.55 | Corydon76-dig | Right, you can't start the logger until the config is fully loaded |
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| 19:05.55 | file | moo. |
| 19:06.22 | Deeewayne | eep op ork ah ah ? |
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| 19:28.04 | rexile | what makes me... me? am i not simply the by product of my life experiences? |
| 19:28.13 | rexile | (heh) |
| 19:28.48 | rexile | because you were being sarcastic... so i was... oh nevermind. |
| 19:29.15 | codefreeze | rexile: such questions are easily answered; but, "moo", how do you approach that one? |
| 19:29.30 | file | meep. |
| 19:29.54 | rexile | ummm |
| 19:30.00 | rexile | eat more chiken |
| 19:31.29 | codefreeze | I see file beginning to merge his philosophy with Deeewayne's. Amazing! |
| 19:35.53 | Deeewayne | I think 'eep' is trademarked by TelecomVoxJoshMartLeifMadsenEnterprises, Inc. |
| 19:44.14 | russellb | JerJer: i think a game plan sounds good. |
| 19:44.23 | russellb | JerJer: i saw your blog post, was going to respond, but ... haven't yet |
| 19:44.37 | JerJer | i just followed up with another, more detailed post |
| 19:44.51 | russellb | JerJer: one thing I'd like to do with testing is not just test, but develop tests that can be done over and over |
| 19:44.54 | russellb | cool .. |
| 19:45.15 | russellb | i spent a few hours yesterday starting playing with a way to script asterisk tests |
| 19:45.20 | JerJer | regression testing :) |
| 19:45.22 | russellb | yep |
| 19:45.32 | russellb | svn co http://svncommunity.digium.com/svn/asterisk-test/trunk asterisk-test |
| 19:45.36 | russellb | sudo make tests |
| 19:45.51 | russellb | i have 2 tests in there so far |
| 19:46.01 | russellb | 1 is a basic test to make sure asterisk will run. |
| 19:46.10 | russellb | the 2nd one is a regression test for a security issue we had a while back |
| 19:46.46 | JerJer | c poop poop ?! |
| 19:46.47 | russellb | and i put a blurb in the README on how to add more tests |
| 19:47.01 | russellb | hmm ? |
| 19:47.11 | JerJer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.17 | russellb | oh, heh |
| 19:47.34 | russellb | that's to build a small utility i use in the security regression test |
| 19:47.40 | JerJer | its doing something ........said test successful |
| 19:48.05 | russellb | it's a very basic start, but it's automatic, and builds a test report at the end |
| 19:48.32 | JerJer | rubber not found |
| 19:48.38 | russellb | so it would be cool to start collecting tests that people have made, making sure we can make them run automatically, and add them in |
| 19:48.50 | russellb | yeah ... rubber is a LaTeX tool for turning the tex doc into a PDF |
| 19:48.58 | russellb | what distro? |
| 19:49.02 | JerJer | with lots of deps |
| 19:49.09 | russellb | heh, yeah |
| 19:49.12 | JerJer | very very minimal debian-base |
| 19:49.18 | russellb | ah.. |
| 19:49.21 | JerJer | (its very much my own) |
| 19:49.24 | russellb | cool |
| 19:49.29 | JerJer | *based |
| 19:49.43 | jsmith | russellb: Two comments so far. |
| 19:50.14 | JerJer | maybe say what test its actually performing |
| 19:50.26 | JerJer | well more than test1 / 2 ): |
| 19:50.27 | jsmith | russellb: We need to specify the path to the asterisk binary |
| 19:50.32 | JerJer | :) |
| 19:50.42 | russellb | jsmith: sounds good |
| 19:50.45 | jsmith | russellb: And I'm not sure that test 1 should actually assume Asterisk isn't running (and therefor start it) or shut it down |
| 19:50.45 | russellb | JerJer: heh, yeah |
| 19:51.08 | JerJer | jsmith: yeah - glad i picked a devel box :) |
| 19:51.10 | russellb | jsmith: make all the tests assume it is already running? |
| 19:51.14 | russellb | lol |
| 19:51.28 | JerJer | Asterisk already running on /var/run/asterisk.ctl. Use 'asterisk -r' to connect. |
| 19:51.29 | JerJer | Test successful. |
| 19:52.12 | russellb | jsmith: thanks for the feedback ... i just threw it together because i wanted to get something moving :) |
| 19:52.20 | jsmith | russellb: No, test it to see if it's running. If it's not running, start it. |
| 19:52.29 | jsmith | russellb: But don't stop it after the tests |
| 19:52.30 | russellb | oh, alright |
| 19:52.51 | rexile | so when something requires 'ssl' |
| 19:52.56 | russellb | makes sense |
| 19:52.56 | rexile | what do i need to install? |
| 19:53.03 | russellb | rexile: openssl-dev |
| 19:53.13 | rexile | hmmm, yum cannot find her |
| 19:53.17 | rexile | f-ing yum |
| 19:53.27 | russellb | openssl-devel perhaps |
| 19:53.33 | russellb | or libssl-devel |
| 19:53.33 | rexile | ahh |
| 19:53.35 | rexile | you are correct |
| 19:53.37 | rexile | -devel |
| 19:53.48 | rexile | you're pretty good at helping |
| 19:53.51 | rexile | you should work for digium |
| 19:54.12 | russellb | rexile: ;) |
| 19:55.15 | putnopvut | I can kick him... |
| 19:55.17 | russellb | rexile: msg nickserv help recover |
| 19:55.30 | JerJer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.37 | putnopvut | I usually just ghost. |
| 19:55.44 | rexile | no no |
| 19:55.51 | rexile | let him live |
| 19:55.55 | rexile | heh |
| 19:56.03 | rexile | i'm just going to go home and log back on anyway |
| 19:56.11 | JerJer | :) |
| 19:56.11 | file | DEATH! |
| 19:57.43 | russellb | JerJer: jsmith ... anyway, i'm not attached to what i have in asterisk-test right now, but I really do like the idea of making _something_ like this |
| 19:58.09 | russellb | so I'm up for helping with any effort, whatever direction is decided upon |
| 19:58.22 | russellb | and i propose that for some codezone time :) |
| 19:59.05 | JerJer | blog it! |
| 19:59.14 | elixer | i changed my mind |
| 19:59.33 | JerJer | worse than a woman |
| 19:59.51 | elixer | you're lucky this channel is rated PG |
| 19:59.51 | elixer | :) |
| 20:00.03 | putnopvut | elixer: it's been known to not be. |
| 20:00.14 | file | putnopvut speaks! |
| 20:00.27 | russellb | we try for PG-13 during US business hours |
| 20:00.27 | putnopvut | Yes I do, I guess. |
| 20:00.33 | russellb | but outside of that, it definitely goes R |
| 20:00.34 | elixer | well then let me just say... JerJer... you're a big meany head |
| 20:00.36 | elixer | heh |
| 20:00.38 | russellb | rarely NC17 though ... |
| 20:00.41 | elixer | take that! |
| 20:01.14 | JerJer | lol |
| 20:01.18 | elixer | do you have BE customers log in here or something? |
| 20:02.33 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: cupcake? |
| 20:02.43 | JerJer | prolly along the lines of that 'being 'professional' thing |
| 20:02.56 | luke-jr | codefreeze: AEL is buggy as heck in 1.4 |
| 20:02.58 | elixer | well if you have to "quote" it... :) |
| 20:03.02 | luke-jr | codefreeze: see all the bugs I filed last night |
| 20:03.25 | elixer | he already mentioned seeing them, but said he was busy prepping for presentations |
| 20:03.43 | luke-jr | seriously, it really seems like I am the only person in the world using AEL sometimes |
| 20:03.52 | Corydon76-dig | JerJer: any interest in coming down for PhreakNIC this year? |
| 20:04.14 | elixer | luke-jr: that makes you l33t |
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| 20:04.48 | luke-jr | elixer: ... |
| 20:05.01 | elixer | luke-jr: ... |
| 20:05.01 | luke-jr | no, it annoys me to no end because "stable" releases are filled with bugs |
| 20:05.38 | elixer | well "stable" != "bug free" |
| 20:05.45 | elixer | though that is the goal |
| 20:05.58 | luke-jr | elixer: yeah, but these are blatently obvious bugs :/ |
| 20:06.00 | Cresl1n | luke-jr: now tell me honestly |
| 20:06.01 | russellb | please don't start that crap |
| 20:06.03 | JerJer | Corydon76-dig: Perhaps - that's happening soon, right ? |
| 20:06.11 | russellb | it doesn't help |
| 20:06.18 | Cresl1n | did you ever run trunk between 1.2 and 1.4 and test it? |
| 20:06.19 | Corydon76-dig | JerJer: October 19-21 |
| 20:06.20 | luke-jr | russellb: you're right, I should be writing patches to fix them |
| 20:06.26 | elixer | ding ding ding |
| 20:06.28 | luke-jr | Cresl1n: no |
| 20:06.28 | putnopvut | Corydon76-dig: Yeah, cupcake... |
| 20:06.34 | codefreeze | luke-jr: I'll dive into them... but it's really bad timing. Got a couple presentations I'm working on thru the weekend. |
| 20:06.55 | luke-jr | Cresl1n: nor 1.4 until 1.4.11, because I was hoping to avoid the bugs ☺ |
| 20:07.12 | Cresl1n | luke-jr: there are two kinds of people in the opensource world |
| 20:07.16 | JerJer | lol avoid and bugs |
| 20:07.18 | Cresl1n | doers, and talkers |
| 20:07.19 | Cresl1n | be a doer |
| 20:07.40 | luke-jr | Cresl1n: 1/5 bugs I reported has a patch; I'll look into more patching... |
| 20:07.48 | luke-jr | starting with that blocker bug I hit |
| 20:07.48 | Cresl1n | good |
| 20:08.09 | Corydon76-dig | Cresl1n: I thought there were 10 types of people... those who know binary and those who don't... |
| 20:08.14 | Cresl1n | heh |
| 20:08.16 | JerJer | Cresl1n: is there anything SS7 we could test/play with at the CodZone this year ? |
| 20:08.17 | luke-jr | ☺ |
| 20:08.21 | codefreeze | luke-jr: all help **is** appreciated...! |
| 20:08.23 | Cresl1n | well, actually, I was going to say doers and complainers |
| 20:08.28 | JerJer | Cresl1n: its kinda tough i know |
| 20:08.32 | Cresl1n | but I figured talkers is more PC |
| 20:08.54 | luke-jr | too bad AEL was totally rewritten for 1.4, otherwise I could just diff stuff ;) |
| 20:08.58 | luke-jr | since most of these are regressions |
| 20:10.14 | elixer | anyone have OSP installed and configured on their dev box? |
| 20:10.23 | Juggie | elixer, did you figure out what was going on w/ that lock? |
| 20:10.34 | Corydon76-dig | Who was saying something about FreeBSD and cosl ? |
| 20:10.39 | file | Corydon76-dig: me |
| 20:10.42 | elixer | Juggie: no sir. haven't looged at it yet. that's the weekend project :) |
| 20:10.49 | Corydon76-dig | file: fix it yet? |
| 20:10.58 | Juggie | i've got a bunch of debugging code added in, want me to commit it? |
| 20:11.00 | file | Corydon76-dig: no, I just noticed it in my email from the freebsd builders |
| 20:11.07 | elixer | Juggie: if you think it will help, please. |
| 20:11.16 | file | http://cork.digium.internal:8010/asterisk-trunk-x86_64-freebsd6/builds/668 |
| 20:11.21 | Cresl1n | I have an improvement I need to use for our translator cost calculator |
| 20:11.28 | Cresl1n | we're using gettimeofday right now |
| 20:11.28 | file | will tell you what it did |
| 20:11.46 | Cresl1n | we should probably be using getrusage on it instead |
| 20:12.07 | Cresl1n | since we can get the time spent in the actual process instead of the wall clock time |
| 20:12.10 | Corydon76-dig | file: okay, I may need to ifdef a whole lot more |
| 20:12.14 | Juggie | elixer, done. |
| 20:12.21 | elixer | Juggie: danke. |
| 20:12.38 | file | Corydon76-dig: you can also force a rebuild there if need be |
| 20:13.04 | Corydon76-dig | file: I'm creating a vmware instance of freebsd here for the purpose |
| 20:13.14 | file | nifty |
| 20:13.42 | Juggie | elixer, i think we are doing something wrong w/ ast_cond_wai |
| 20:13.47 | Juggie | *ast_cond_wait |
| 20:13.56 | Juggie | it seems to be still holding the lock after the wait is over |
| 20:14.07 | jsmith | http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5148125.html |
| 20:14.13 | jsmith | Great story :-) |
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| 20:14.41 | file | Juggie: hrm? ast_cond_wait releases the lock while waiting and reacquires it before returning |
| 20:15.40 | Juggie | file, take a quick look @ line 803 for me. |
| 20:15.45 | Juggie | http://svn.digium.com/view/asterisk/team/juggie/NoLossCDR/main/cdr.c?revision=83516&view=markup |
| 20:16.51 | Juggie | the problem is, if the AST_CDR_POST_RETRY code executes @ line 840, then it does a retry on the cdr record which works, but as soon as it posts ok, and loops back to the top, it hands on AST_LIST_LOCK |
| 20:16.55 | file | you can't do that, you have to have that locked |
| 20:17.09 | Juggie | *hangs |
| 20:17.11 | Juggie | i cant do what? |
| 20:17.30 | file | you are calling ast_cond_timedwait using a lock that you do not have locked |
| 20:17.38 | file | you can't do that |
| 20:17.42 | Juggie | oh right. |
| 20:18.01 | Juggie | because i moved to your model of detaching the list from the macro object like logger does |
| 20:18.11 | Juggie | and moved the unlock higher up |
| 20:19.05 | Juggie | so i guess i need to create another lock then? |
| 20:19.27 | file | or restructure your code |
| 20:20.17 | Juggie | right, well to do that though i would be holding the lock the entire time so you woudnt add any more cdr records onto the list at least not without a performance hit |
| 20:20.33 | Juggie | i mean if i had to retry a cdr record, i would have the lock the entire time. |
| 20:22.29 | elixer | whats the preferred CLI syntax these days "foo debug off" or "foo no debug" |
| 20:22.29 | elixer | ? |
| 20:22.44 | putnopvut | foo debug off I do believe. |
| 20:22.46 | russellb | foo set debug off ... |
| 20:22.48 | russellb | i think |
| 20:22.49 | russellb | :-/ |
| 20:22.51 | elixer | drat |
| 20:22.54 | russellb | i have no idea |
| 20:22.55 | putnopvut | Yeah, what russellb said. |
| 20:23.05 | russellb | i still haven't beome used to the 1.4 CLI commands |
| 20:23.07 | russellb | :( |
| 20:23.36 | elixer | well we might need another janitor project to clean up the NEW_CLI janitor project :) |
| 20:23.44 | putnopvut | heh |
| 20:24.22 | russellb | elixer: did you do chan_zap? |
| 20:24.24 | Corydon76-dig | Yeah, the "no debug" syntax had to go |
| 20:24.51 | russellb | han_zap had a few typos that made it not compile with libss7 :( |
| 20:26.02 | Cresl1n | ? |
| 20:27.00 | russellb | Cresl1n: not your fault |
| 20:27.21 | Cresl1n | what happened? |
| 20:27.29 | russellb | jsut some typos that got missed in a massive conversion to the new way of writing CLI commands |
| 20:27.37 | Cresl1n | argh |
| 20:27.38 | Cresl1n | :-) |
| 20:27.46 | russellb | the person who changed the ss7 commands didn't have it installed i guess |
| 20:27.46 | russellb | no big deal |
| 20:27.58 | russellb | just was going to troll on elixer if he did it :) |
| 20:28.25 | Cresl1n | lamezors |
| 20:28.40 | russellb | i hate my 'c' key |
| 20:30.07 | elixer | russellb: no sur |
| 20:30.12 | elixer | s/sur/sir/ |
| 20:30.38 | file | putnopvut: very nicely noticed (10568) |
| 20:30.46 | russellb | M10568 |
| 20:30.47 | MuffinMan | [feedback] [Asterisk] Applications/app_queue 0010568: Announce from queue does not seem to work. reported by paulh http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10568 |
| 20:31.29 | elixer | russellb: i've only posted one untested patch so far. app_osplookup. don't have osp installed on my dev box and can't really install it. |
| 20:31.42 | russellb | cool |
| 20:31.48 | putnopvut | file: I figured it had to be a configuration issue. |
| 20:31.59 | putnopvut | Sure enough, ask for the dialplan and it shall all be revealed. |
| 20:32.04 | elixer | but i bet $5 it works :) |
| 20:34.12 | putnopvut | russellb: still haven't taken off yet? |
| 20:34.16 | russellb | no |
| 20:34.21 | russellb | delayed |
| 20:34.22 | russellb | plane isn't even here |
| 20:34.38 | putnopvut | ugh, sucks. |
| 20:34.41 | russellb | took me 8 to 10 hours last time ... |
| 20:34.50 | putnopvut | Yeah, well at least there's no rain here this time. |
| 20:35.03 | russellb | true |
| 20:35.03 | file | putnopvut: don't say that... |
| 20:35.06 | elixer | good god, app_rpt has some of the longest functions i have ever seen |
| 20:35.18 | russellb | elixer: that is a dangerous file |
| 20:35.19 | elixer | <insert your preferred euphamism here> |
| 20:35.19 | russellb | don't look at it |
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| 20:35.41 | russellb | a couple of people work on it ... we let them just ... have it |
| 20:35.42 | russellb | :) |
| 20:35.48 | elixer | heh |
| 20:36.41 | elixer | it must be converted to NEW_CLI. that is my call to duty. |
| 20:36.54 | elixer | or something. |
| 20:37.23 | file | if you turn into a zombie... don't say we didn't warn you |
| 20:37.25 | russellb | i wonder when my flight is _really_ delayed until |
| 20:37.35 | russellb | every time i refresh, it's still 30 minutes from now |
| 20:37.38 | elixer | russellb: assume a 40% b.s. factor |
| 20:37.52 | elixer | are you in group a? |
| 20:37.55 | elixer | heh |
| 20:37.59 | file | russellb: it's delayed until yesterday |
| 20:38.25 | russellb | group a? pfft ... they stick me in the baggage area :( |
| 20:38.44 | russellb | ooh, it landed |
| 20:39.45 | elixer | *Krrrr* we have a person of interest running in circles in terminal B, over *Krrr* |
| 20:40.01 | ManxPower | shoot 'em! shoot'em! |
| 20:40.12 | elixer | you're getting randomly selected for a BEAT DOWN |
| 20:40.12 | elixer | heh |
| 20:41.26 | russellb | oh noes, teh tazer |
| 20:41.38 | ManxPower | You heard about the new CD from Father^H^H^H^H^H^HHomeland Security, right? It's gangsta rap, the title track is "You are my bitch." |
| 20:42.47 | russellb | they made me listen to that track over and over when i was being held in jail last night, it sucks |
| 20:43.08 | elixer | bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb bo-bomb... what if i was a bombardier? |
| 20:45.30 | russellb | it is time. |
| 20:45.37 | elixer | good luck and god speed |
| 20:49.11 | tzafrir_home | russellb, before you run off, I see that you set up a directory. But I still get denied when trying to write there |
| 20:50.09 | ManxPower | I usually prefer to call them Fatherland Security -- it is more accurate |
| 20:51.14 | elixer | <insert political jab at bush administration here> |
| 20:51.31 | Corydon76-dig | I dunno, if you're going for accuracy, you might as well call them the Ministry of Love |
| 20:51.36 | putnopvut | heh |
| 20:52.14 | putnopvut | <3 1984 |
| 20:52.21 | elixer | oh jeez |
| 20:52.21 | elixer | heh |
| 20:52.38 | elixer | me too, that's why i bought a mac |
| 20:52.45 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: we have one guy for two years running has registered for PN as "Winston Smith" |
| 20:53.01 | putnopvut | Very rebellious name. |
| 20:53.32 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: of course, you're planning to make it up for PN, right? |
| 20:53.47 | putnopvut | Hadn't planned on it, but I guess I could. |
| 20:54.12 | Corydon76-dig | http://www.phreaknic.info |
| 20:54.48 | elixer | free kevin!! |
| 20:54.50 | elixer | oh wait |
| 20:54.53 | putnopvut | lol |
| 20:55.00 | putnopvut | <3 puns |
| 20:56.19 | putnopvut | Geez, they even use hex for stating what number event this is... |
| 20:56.50 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: only this year |
| 20:57.03 | Corydon76-dig | The 'P' and the 'x' are silent |
| 20:57.16 | Corydon76-dig | PN0x0B |
| 20:57.36 | putnopvut | I see. |
| 20:57.47 | putnopvut | It would be funnier if the x weren't. |
| 20:58.12 | Corydon76-dig | Eh? |
| 20:58.31 | Corydon76-dig | N00B |
| 20:58.35 | putnopvut | Yeah, I get that. |
| 20:58.43 | putnopvut | I just think noxob sounds funny. |
| 20:58.57 | elixer | heh |
| 21:03.05 | tzafrir_home | Cresl1n, still here? |
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| 21:10.51 | Cresl1n | yes |
| 21:14.02 | luke-jr | ☹ |
| 21:14.08 | luke-jr | this new AEL code doesn't make sense |
| 21:14.15 | luke-jr | codefreeze: ping |
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| 21:19.09 | amarzouk2 | Hi, I am having a problem with get_data , it does not accurately get the input digits! what can I do to insure more accuracy? |
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| 21:27.16 | codefreeze | luke-jr: you rang? Something doesn't make sense? |
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| 21:33.44 | luke-jr | codefreeze: where does the dialplan writing happen? :/ |
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| 21:34.14 | codefreeze | luke-jr: in your fingers? |
| 21:37.00 | luke-jr | ... |
| 21:37.11 | luke-jr | eg, where $[ gets inserted and such |
| 21:37.32 | Corydon76-dig | At load time |
| 21:37.59 | codefreeze | luke-jr: glad I asked; in the generator routines, as Corydon76-dig stated. |
| 21:38.39 | luke-jr | yeah, I'm having trouble locating those |
| 21:39.44 | Corydon76-dig | Line 2917 in 1.4 |
| 21:39.59 | codefreeze | see gen_prios in pbx_ael.c |
| 21:40.45 | codefreeze | It's recursive, so.... |
| 21:41.29 | luke-jr | pbx_ael.c ... doesn't exist in 1.4? : |
| 21:41.36 | luke-jr | ☹ |
| 21:41.43 | Corydon76-dig | pbx/pbx_ael.c |
| 21:41.46 | codefreeze | in the pbx dir? |
| 21:41.47 | elixer | give a man a fish... |
| 21:42.02 | elixer | and you will pay for it for the rest of your natural life |
| 21:42.21 | Corydon76-dig | Light a fire for a man, and he's warm for a night. Light a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life |
| 21:42.45 | codefreeze | Corydon76-dig: took the words right out of my mouth! Very good! |
| 21:43.13 | luke-jr | o |
| 21:44.25 | codefreeze | luke-jr: just following general structural trends... pbx/pbx_ael existed before AEL2. |
| 21:44.35 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: can't remember which situation was which, but between church camp and boy scouts, using newspaper to light a fire was considered 'cheating' in one and 'getting the job done' in the other |
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| 21:45.17 | codefreeze | Corydon76-dig: they don't call gasoline "Boy Scout Water" for nothing. If you only have 1 match.... |
| 21:45.18 | putnopvut | I light fires by scowling at logs |
| 21:45.43 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: boy scout? |
| 21:46.35 | putnopvut | I made it to second class scout. |
| 21:47.19 | putnopvut | When I moved to Alabama, the local scout troop was awful. It was almost like a mini-military outfit instead of a fun place. |
| 21:47.22 | putnopvut | So I quit. |
| 21:47.46 | codefreeze | putnopvut: well, if scowling lights things up, then you have a gift. Remind me not read a newspaper in your presence, tho! |
| 21:48.29 | Corydon76-dig | I made it to Life |
| 21:48.39 | putnopvut | That's just before Eagle, isn't it? |
| 21:48.53 | Corydon76-dig | Yep |
| 21:49.10 | Cresl1n | we used to call gasoline girl scout water, not boy scout water |
| 21:49.16 | Corydon76-dig | 3 merit badges and a project away, when I was enrolled in private school |
| 21:49.34 | Corydon76-dig | boarding school, that is |
| 21:49.43 | codefreeze | Corydon76-dig: so close, yet so far away! |
| 21:50.32 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: quite |
| 21:50.52 | codefreeze | Corydon76-dig: let me guess: the badges were Personal Management, the fitness one that take 3 months, etc? |
| 21:50.58 | Corydon76-dig | Some other time, I'll go on my rant about Boy Scouts |
| 21:51.23 | Corydon76-dig | Personal Management? |
| 21:51.32 | putnopvut | That's an Eagle requirement. |
| 21:51.35 | Corydon76-dig | No, I think all 3 were electives |
| 21:51.47 | codefreeze | 3 months of financial records keeping, etc. |
| 21:51.48 | Cresl1n | they're requirements now |
| 21:52.04 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: that was after my time |
| 21:52.13 | putnopvut | Heh, if I had to do a three month physical fitness badge when I was a teenager, I would have failed big time. |
| 21:52.53 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: I was in scouts back when the first three ranks were difficult to get, instead of the streamline they invented since |
| 21:53.10 | Corydon76-dig | Okay, rant time |
| 21:53.22 | codefreeze | I hate to ask this.... how long ago...? |
| 21:53.53 | Corydon76-dig | They figured a statistic that boys who got to First Class were more likely to stay in Scouts until 18 |
| 21:54.15 | elixer | finally someone older than me |
| 21:54.16 | elixer | phew |
| 21:54.23 | Corydon76-dig | So instead of realizing that getting to First Class was a challenge, which showed which persevered, they made First Class easy to get |
| 21:54.43 | Corydon76-dig | putnopvut: 76 == birth year |
| 21:54.57 | putnopvut | Yeah, I was sarcastically answering Qwell's question. |
| 21:55.10 | Qwell | * Qwell slaps his forehead |
| 21:55.30 | Corydon76-dig | So, yes, I'm one thousand, nine hundred, thirty one years of age. |
| 21:56.08 | Corydon76-dig | Only 69 years to go before I can compete with Mel Brooks |
| 21:56.16 | elixer | well you look great for almost 2 millenia old |
| 21:56.47 | putnopvut | Mel Brooks is pretty awesome. |
| 21:56.56 | elixer | my eyes hurt |
| 21:57.07 | Corydon76-dig | Catch the reference? |
| 21:57.22 | putnopvut | I'm guessing it's a history of the world part I joke, but not sure. |
| 21:57.34 | codefreeze | I'm trying to figure how long I've serving in Scout leadership roles; I first served as a Scoutmaster in the 80's. |
| 21:57.46 | elixer | i was disappointed when i found out history of the world part II was bogus |
| 21:57.47 | Corydon76-dig | Mel Brooks did a standup bit back in the day called "The 2000 Year Old Man" |
| 21:57.49 | elixer | i really wanted to see hitler on ice |
| 21:59.10 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: oh, so you remember the little metal things that went on the belt, right? |
| 21:59.16 | putnopvut | It's early but I'm about to head out for the night. I think I'll be going to Deeewayne's later for some more Asterisk goodness. |
| 21:59.21 | putnopvut | Talk later. |
| 21:59.25 | Corydon76-dig | i.e. the precursor to merit badges |
| 21:59.34 | codefreeze | Corydon76-dig: yep, the cubs still do that |
| 21:59.47 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: what were they called? |
| 22:00.01 | Corydon76-dig | Skill Awards |
| 22:00.33 | codefreeze | Yep, think so. I ***should*** know, I'm Cubmaster right now. Hand the things out every month! |
| 22:00.38 | Corydon76-dig | and the one badge you had to get for First Class was First Aid, not the elective they have now |
| 22:01.03 | Qwell | I skipped first aid, and went straight to second aid |
| 22:01.25 | Deeewayne | gatorade! |
| 22:01.35 | codefreeze | Corydon76-dig: eh, First class isn't **that** easy to get. First Aid is required for Eagle. |
| 22:01.38 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: you realize that Second Class rank came before First Class rank, right? |
| 22:01.50 | jsmith-dinner | Scouts! |
| 22:01.59 | Qwell | was anybody...not a scout? |
| 22:02.07 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: yeah, but First Aid is just about the most necessary skill |
| 22:02.24 | jsmith-dinner | A scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly... and always hungry! |
| 22:02.25 | yannj_fr | does anyone know if asterisk-gui use the same parser than asterisk?? |
| 22:02.26 | elixer | <-- was not a scout |
| 22:02.48 | Deeewayne | I was a weebelow :-) |
| 22:03.02 | Corydon76-dig | jsmith-dinner: if Scouts didn't discriminate, I'd teach them now |
| 22:03.06 | jsmith-dinner | yannj_fr: Well, asterisk-gui uses the GetConfig/UpdateConfig manager actions, which probably use a different parser |
| 22:03.12 | Qwell | I was like...I don't know.. whatever you are at 10 |
| 22:03.24 | Corydon76-dig | 10 would be Webelos |
| 22:03.30 | Qwell | I wasn't that |
| 22:03.34 | Corydon76-dig | Bear? |
| 22:03.37 | jsmith-dinner | Bear? |
| 22:03.38 | Qwell | no idea |
| 22:03.42 | jsmith-dinner | Tenderfoot? |
| 22:03.44 | Deeewayne | Yeah, I think Bear was the fourth badge |
| 22:03.46 | yannj_fr | tks jsmith, so I think this is the best way to modify config values |
| 22:03.46 | codefreeze | Cub Scout. |
| 22:03.48 | Qwell | I don't remember 15 years ago, heh |
| 22:03.53 | jsmith-dinner | yannj_fr: Yes |
| 22:03.54 | Corydon76-dig | Wolf? Bobcat? |
| 22:03.58 | jsmith-dinner | Tiger? |
| 22:04.05 | Qwell | I remember bobcat |
| 22:04.11 | Corydon76-dig | 10 is a little old for Tiger |
| 22:04.32 | Deeewayne | I had a some badge with beads on it too. Purple and yellow I think |
| 22:04.36 | codefreeze | He was most likely in the 'bear' zone |
| 22:04.39 | Qwell | I remember the yellow beads, heh |
| 22:04.46 | Qwell | and...red? |
| 22:04.48 | Corydon76-dig | jsmith-dinner: you get the little rising sun emblem? I forget the name of it now |
| 22:05.02 | codefreeze | arrow of light |
| 22:05.07 | Deeewayne | did everyone make the 'eat a brownie' joke ? |
| 22:05.09 | Corydon76-dig | that's it |
| 22:05.31 | Corydon76-dig | It's the only badge you earn as a Webelos that you can wear on your Boy Scout uniform |
| 22:05.39 | codefreeze | Deeewayne: make it? Ignore it was better.... |
| 22:06.06 | codefreeze | Corydon76-dig: yep. You remember well! |
| 22:06.37 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: I have a knack for remembering things like that |
| 22:07.28 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: when I went to an OA weekend, they asked if I wanted to go for Brotherhood, and I pretty much remembered the Oath and repeated it without too much trouble |
| 22:07.42 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: so no big deal there |
| 22:09.25 | codefreeze | Corydon76-dig: Funny part for me, is while I was in Cubs myself, never advanced to Scouting myself. Went on exactly one Boy Scout campout. A real ordeal. |
| 22:10.04 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: one of the most fun ones for me was the overnight for Wilderness Survival |
| 22:11.33 | codefreeze | Seems like every campout I took the scouts on (hundreds now), was a "Widerness Survival" experience for me! |
| 22:12.07 | Corydon76-dig | codefreeze: scout camps out in WY have adirondacks? |
| 22:12.13 | Corydon76-dig | or just tents? |
| 22:13.46 | codefreeze | just tents... what on earth is an adirondacks? |
| 22:14.07 | Corydon76-dig | An adirondack is a 3-walled cabin |
| 22:14.30 | Corydon76-dig | i.e. one wall is missing and usually faces a campfire |
| 22:14.52 | Corydon76-dig | and generally has builtin bunks |
| 22:15.11 | codefreeze | Sounds like what the camp staff stay in, if not full-fledged micro cabins... |
| 22:15.34 | Corydon76-dig | The camp I went to had dozens of campsites with sets of adirondacks, with the missing walls all facing the center of the campsite |
| 22:16.02 | Corydon76-dig | Ah, the extra thing the staff had in their adirondacks is electrical outlets |
| 22:16.13 | codefreeze | Cool. Sounds like a really, really, nice, established, upscale, scout camp to me... |
| 22:16.19 | Corydon76-dig | An adirondack is an excellent Eagle project, btw |
| 22:16.36 | Corydon76-dig | Council 22, IIRC |
| 22:16.44 | Corydon76-dig | Tohpendel |
| 22:16.55 | codefreeze | Might be, but Eagle projects can't benefits BSA in any way. |
| 22:17.04 | Corydon76-dig | Really? |
| 22:17.07 | codefreeze | At least, any more... |
| 22:17.23 | codefreeze | or, not any more... |
| 22:17.34 | Corydon76-dig | which was excellent, because it meant that we had the Brownsea 22 training camp |
| 22:18.19 | Corydon76-dig | (if you recall, the original Brownsea training camp by Lord Baden-Powell, had 22 students) |
| 22:20.14 | Corydon76-dig | See what the Scouts are missing? |
| 22:20.28 | Corydon76-dig | I'd love to teach, but I'm barred. |
| 22:23.43 | Corydon76-dig | Heh |
| 22:24.18 | Corydon76-dig | At some point, they may, but after going to the Supreme Court over it, I doubt it'll be anytime soon |
| 22:27.50 | elixer | whoa |
| 22:27.54 | elixer | mind if i inquire? |
| 22:29.13 | Corydon76-dig | Inquire? |
| 22:29.14 | elixer | ahh |
| 22:29.21 | elixer | as to why you were barred |
| 22:29.25 | elixer | but i think i just figured it out |
| 22:29.36 | elixer | and its under the "none of my business" category :) |
| 22:30.00 | elixer | right |
| 22:32.56 | Corydon76-dig | elixer: I don't care who knows |
| 22:34.30 | elixer | Corydon76-dig: i get that. |
| 22:35.34 | elixer | my reaction was based purely on realizing i had overstepped a bound |
| 22:37.17 | Corydon76-dig | What bound? |
| 22:37.43 | elixer | personal information that not all people are willing to freely share with people on the internet :) |
| 22:37.53 | Corydon76-dig | It'd be like asking if I have blue eyes was crossing a boundary |
| 22:38.20 | Qwell | are they blue? O.o |
| 22:38.39 | Corydon76-dig | Yes |
| 22:38.45 | Qwell | that did not end well |
| 22:38.55 | Corydon76-dig | Now you crossed a boundary, Qwell. oooooooo |
| 22:39.04 | elixer | Corydon76-dig: to you, maybe. there are plenty of things about myself that i am not willing to share with you guys, but I will readily tell you that my eyes are hazel. |
| 22:39.18 | Qwell | Corydon76-dig: I've crossed way more boundaries than that :P |
| 22:39.43 | Qwell | let's not go there though |
| 22:39.45 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: not that I minded |
| 22:40.01 | Qwell | You're never going to let me live that down, are you? |
| 22:40.14 | Deeewayne | O.O |
| 22:40.15 | Corydon76-dig | Hey, I've stopped mentioning it, haven't I? |
| 22:40.21 | Qwell | have you? I guess so |
| 22:40.22 | Deeewayne | Is this the bed thing? |
| 22:40.49 | Corydon76-dig | It's perfectly natural to snuggle someone else sleeping in the same bed |
| 22:40.56 | Deeewayne | agreed |
| 22:41.30 | Qwell | anyhow |
| 22:41.46 | Corydon76-dig | Even if it does make you look a little queer |
| 22:41.52 | Qwell | :p |
| 22:41.57 | Corydon76-dig | lol |
| 22:42.00 | elixer | heh |
| 22:42.10 | Deeewayne | Qwell: were you the snuggler or snugglee ? |
| 22:42.17 | Qwell | I tell you though - that floor was seriously uncomfortable |
| 22:42.20 | Corydon76-dig | Deeewayne: -er |
| 22:42.32 | Corydon76-dig | Deeewayne: I was the -ee |
| 22:42.56 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: you finally get a sleep study done? |
| 22:43.00 | Qwell | no |
| 22:43.30 | Corydon76-dig | Do you awake refreshed in the morning? |
| 22:43.34 | Qwell | ha |
| 22:43.46 | Qwell | it's not even funny how poorly I sleep |
| 22:43.54 | elixer | do you stop breathing? |
| 22:44.01 | Qwell | possible O.o |
| 22:44.06 | Corydon76-dig | Like I said then, might want to consider doing that |
| 22:44.09 | Qwell | yeah.. |
| 22:44.17 | Qwell | I dream maybe...once or twice a quarter |
| 22:44.30 | elixer | except when the prescribe that headgear that makes you look like the borg |
| 22:44.45 | elixer | friend of mine wears it to bed |
| 22:44.46 | Corydon76-dig | elixer: when I was sleeping in the same room, everything was fine, as long as I fell asleep first |
| 22:45.19 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell runs a chainsaw while he sleeps |
| 22:45.32 | Deeewayne | me too :-( |
| 22:45.34 | elixer | ditto |
| 22:45.42 | Deeewayne | I think I almost killed russell once |
| 22:45.44 | elixer | sleeping on my side takes care of it for the most part |
| 22:46.05 | Qwell | yeah, I think I've stopped.. I can't sleep on my back anymore |
| 22:46.19 | Corydon76-dig | Yeah, that sound indicates that you're not getting restful sleep |
| 22:46.49 | elixer | like face straight down into the pillow |
| 22:46.56 | elixer | well |
| 22:46.59 | elixer | forehead really |
| 22:47.01 | Corydon76-dig | elixer: Oh, I always now sleep on my belly. Best way to get to sleep |
| 22:47.02 | elixer | its hard to describe |
| 22:47.17 | elixer | Corydon76-dig: do you have your arms underneath yourself or to the sides? |
| 22:47.35 | Deeewayne | later guys! Have a great weekend! |
| 22:47.41 | elixer | see ya Deeewayne |
| 22:47.45 | Corydon76-dig | elixer: both arms up |
| 22:47.51 | elixer | ahh |
| 22:47.53 | Corydon76-dig | Head on my arms |
| 22:47.57 | elixer | right |
| 22:48.06 | Qwell | Deeewayne: if you need anything next week, email me :D |
| 22:48.11 | elixer | i would sleep with my arms crumpled up underneath my chest |
| 22:48.14 | Qwell | I'll probably be near a laptop most of the day |
| 22:48.20 | Corydon76-dig | or else I wake up with no feeling in my arms |
| 22:48.42 | elixer | now i sleep on my side and i wake up in the exact same spot i fell asleep in |
| 22:48.45 | elixer | its glorious |
| 22:49.33 | Qwell | side is my only option.. back hurts if I try anything else |
| 22:49.48 | elixer | well i agree with Corydon76-dig |
| 22:49.50 | elixer | sleep study |
| 22:49.50 | Qwell | (of course, shoulders hurt then...but whatever) |
| 22:50.09 | elixer | +1 for sleep study ;) |
| 22:50.12 | Corydon76-dig | Qwell: the other thing you might consider is a softer mattress |
| 22:50.19 | Qwell | I want a waterbed |
| 22:50.24 | Qwell | consequences be damned |
| 22:50.29 | Corydon76-dig | Heh |
| 22:50.37 | Qwell | my wife is very anti-waterbed :p |
| 22:50.52 | elixer | i never got the allure |
| 22:51.02 | Corydon76-dig | I have a steel frame support, with an ultraplush mattress... really helps |
| 22:51.06 | codefreeze | Had that for years. Prefer the air thing I've got now. |
| 22:51.14 | Qwell | codefreeze: I like air beds too |
| 22:51.28 | Qwell | not full though |
| 22:51.37 | Corydon76-dig | I slept for years on an air mattress |
| 22:51.40 | elixer | i need a firm bed |
| 22:51.41 | codefreeze | Firmed up the mattress, and my shoulders don't get so sore. Strange, but true. |
| 22:51.45 | Qwell | I want to sink several inches, heh |
| 22:51.52 | elixer | my sleep number would be 90 :) |
| 22:51.52 | Corydon76-dig | It was impossible to keep it full enough, though |
| 22:53.25 | codefreeze | Firm to a point, tho! Sleeping on the ground is not comfy for me. Especially rocky ground. |
| 22:54.16 | Corydon76-dig | Heh, I remember during OA induction, sleeping on a very rocky hill |
| 22:54.30 | Corydon76-dig | During the night, I slid down about 10 feet |
| 22:56.44 | elixer | Qwell: its still technically the weekend |
| 22:56.49 | elixer | err |
| 22:56.50 | elixer | week |
| 22:56.58 | Qwell | not for me it's not |
| 22:57.04 | Qwell | yesterday was my Friday |
| 22:57.06 | elixer | damn it |
| 22:57.28 | elixer | you're going to astricon? |
| 22:57.46 | Qwell | yeah |
| 22:57.50 | elixer | m'kay |
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| 22:58.02 | elixer | was hoping to get a few more of those NEW_CLI patches applied |
| 22:58.11 | elixer | its getting harder to keep track of what is left to do |
| 22:58.19 | Corydon76-dig | I can look at it this weekend |
| 22:58.32 | elixer | Corydon76-dig: awesome, thanks. |
| 22:59.33 | elixer | see ya guys |
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