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| 14:49.16 | mnemoc | wants a "chromebook pixel" but with exynos5 octa :'( |
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| 15:03.48 | L84Supper | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/435742530/udoo-android-linux-arduino-in-a-tiny-single-board |
| 15:04.22 | L84Supper | why not 2 boards and a magic cable? |
| 15:05.50 | mnemoc | reduce cable mess? |
| 15:05.54 | mnemoc | they are also sharing power |
| 15:07.19 | mnemoc | but it would be far nicer of they would agree in pico itx and do things stackable |
| 15:08.04 | mnemoc | but no one wants to be friendly to competitors :-/ |
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| 17:22.08 | L84Supper | http://linuxgizmos.com/ linuxdevices reincarnated |
| 17:24.47 | traeak1 | looks familiar |
| 17:26.31 | L84Supper | mnemoc: http://linuxgizmos.com/inforce-pico-itx-snapdragon-linux-android/ a bit pricey |
| 17:26.52 | L84Supper | traeak1: it's by the same editor |
| 17:30.15 | RaYmAn | snapdragon has like, zero x11 support sadly :/ |
| 17:30.51 | RaYmAn | unless these people managed to change that. |
| 17:31.49 | traeak1 | not shocked |
| 17:32.21 | traeak1 | icube chip FTW if it actually ever hits the market before it's totally outclassed |
| 17:32.45 | traeak1 | wonder how much intel's arm competitor costs |
| 17:33.24 | traeak1 | hopefully intel has figured out that x86 compatibility don't mean jack squat on mobile devices |
| 17:42.55 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: not even with libhybirs? |
| 17:45.07 | jelly-home | is libhybris going to work on top of X somehow? |
| 17:46.16 | mnemoc | people got X/libhybris(mali) working on A10 |
| 17:46.40 | mnemoc | I suppose the same "concept" can be used with other android-only platforms |
| 17:46.47 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: sure |
| 17:46.56 | RaYmAn | I thought it was wayland only mostly? |
| 17:47.09 | RaYmAn | iirc it doesn't really fit the x11 style buffer allocation and stuff much |
| 17:47.11 | mnemoc | uhm.... maybe |
| 17:47.51 | RaYmAn | wayland is cool though |
| 17:48.49 | jelly-home | I thought canonical was going to make it work on top of SurfaceFlinger(?) |
| 17:50.00 | mnemoc | canonical wants to avoid requiring manufacturers anything special, and so running ubuntu on top of a regular gpl-violating android it the most pragmatic approach |
| 17:52.45 | RaYmAn | gpl-violating? Most major manufacturers do actually live up to the gpl |
| 17:53.47 | jelly-home | hah |
| 17:54.17 | RaYmAn | (sometimes they are slow, but :P) |
| 17:54.20 | jelly-home | RaYmAn: maybe the ones selling for the western market, when they're forced to |
| 17:54.52 | mnemoc | slow as ... after the SoC is EOLed |
| 17:55.24 | RaYmAn | I guess with major manufacturers I mean companies like samsung, htc, sony and such, not $random_asian_company |
| 17:55.58 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:56.13 | mnemoc | even in those cases things can be SLOW |
| 17:56.19 | RaYmAn | yeah, definitely |
| 17:56.29 | mnemoc | and too slow for ubuntu for phones to make sense |
| 17:56.58 | mnemoc | they need to be an option since launch |
| 17:56.59 | RaYmAn | there seems to be a common '30 days' misconception about gpl |
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| 17:57.18 | traeak1 | i've never seen 30 days mentioned anywhere in any gpl license i've seen |
| 17:57.34 | jelly-home | well what about the 'before the product is obsolete' misconception |
| 17:57.47 | RaYmAn | traeak1: hence 'misconception' ;) |
| 17:59.28 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: tbh, ubuntu for phones is useless unless canonical has deals with the manufacturers |
| 17:59.43 | L84Supper | most people don't really care about GPL, look at the RPi, most people mainly just care about low cost |
| 18:00.11 | RaYmAn | RPI lived up to the GPL from day 1 (well, technically, even before release) |
| 18:00.12 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: sure, but if they ask manufacuturers to honour the GPL or open up something that they normally wouldn't chances of getting that deal are slim |
| 18:00.32 | traeak1 | rpi just has that nasty vidcore thingy |
| 18:00.33 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: and those manufacturers usually work with already restricted SDKs |
| 18:00.37 | mnemoc | from the SoC vendor |
| 18:00.40 | traeak1 | and a POS arm11 tacked onto it |
| 18:00.54 | L84Supper | and how many people really care about the RPi video core? |
| 18:01.13 | traeak1 | no idea, i don't track rpi anymore |
| 18:01.22 | mnemoc | how many people really cares about running linux or a custom android on their device at all? |
| 18:01.36 | L84Supper | it could send packets through hell to kill kittens as long as it still sells for $35 |
| 18:01.44 | mnemoc | we are just an annoyance for them |
| 18:01.47 | traeak1 | on a desktop x86 its pretty easy |
| 18:02.16 | traeak1 | right now there's no traction on mobile precisely because it's a huge pita and not available |
| 18:02.32 | traeak1 | i think not available and no apps for touch |
| 18:02.40 | traeak1 | would sum it up pretty good |
| 18:02.46 | RaYmAn | mnemoc: yeah - I've hit brickwalls with HTC before with them saying "it contains proprietary stuff that needs to be removed before release"..pretty bullshit argument cause they clearly released the compiled kernel |
| 18:03.42 | traeak1 | those damn blocks for useful things like video and encryption? |
| 18:04.01 | RaYmAn | traeak1: it's no worse than pretty much any other arm soc |
| 18:04.07 | traeak1 | exactly |
| 18:04.30 | traeak1 | and i think x86 on mobile is also screwed because they have some similar blocks |
| 18:06.02 | traeak1 | and frankly the mobile/tablet space is a bit immature as well |
| 18:06.04 | RaYmAn | sure, it's just silly to call out rpi specifically when every other arm soc is at least as bad, if not worse (libs compiled for weird settings that makes them useless in practice? the RPC interface is at least ABI agnostic) |
| 18:06.18 | traeak1 | IMHO open source guys are best at providing some level of matching functionality |
| 18:06.26 | traeak1 | not sure about "cutting edge" functionality |
| 18:06.49 | mnemoc | the problem with rpi's thing is the BS they talk and claim openness |
| 18:06.54 | L84Supper | http://software.intel.com/sites/billboard/article/lenovo-launches-ideaphone-k900 heh, didn't you see this, this is the future! |
| 18:06.55 | traeak1 | hehe |
| 18:06.56 | RaYmAn | sure |
| 18:07.09 | mnemoc | at least the others shut up |
| 18:07.25 | mnemoc | or tell you in your face they don't care |
| 18:07.59 | RaYmAn | the most silly part wrt rpi is that it's so hopelessly outdated that there's hardly any reason to keep it sekrit |
| 18:08.12 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:08.21 | traeak1 | aparently the vidcore itself is so convoluted you wouldn't *want* to dig around in it |
| 18:08.21 | L84Supper | Broadcom has just always been that way |
| 18:08.39 | L84Supper | they started out as military silicon |
| 18:09.38 | L84Supper | my only point with bringing up up the RPi is that most people just care about cheap, not personal rights, not open source, etc etc |
| 18:09.47 | traeak1 | i guess |
| 18:10.17 | traeak1 | i sold my rpi about a year ago and totally ignored since then |
| 18:10.46 | traeak1 | i did notice recently plan9 runs on it |
| 18:10.48 | traeak1 | whatever that means |
| 18:11.18 | mnemoc | the beaglebone black and the cubie are almost as cheap as the r-pi, but you can actually do real things with them |
| 18:13.16 | L84Supper | the BBB comes with a power supply and cable so unless you already have them it's the same cost as the RPi |
| 18:13.29 | eebrah | mnemoc: defination of "real things" is relative ... but yeah, I find them waay more attractive |
| 18:14.32 | eebrah | traek1: experimental OS, interesting news, I should try and run it |
| 18:15.19 | mnemoc | meh... forgot the passphrase of my gpg key :( |
| 18:15.26 | L84Supper | they used to run Plan9 on some of the largest clusters |
| 18:15.44 | L84Supper | at LANL and Sandia labs |
| 18:17.30 | L84Supper | not sure why the RPi people would care unless somebody was proposing a real coarsely grained cluster using the RPi's |
| 18:19.23 | traeak1 | eebrah: not sure what useful stuff youcan do on plan9 |
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| 18:20.05 | traeak1 | however, considering how "fresh" the mobile/tablet market is plan9 could get a touch interface and be competitive, ewell except for application base, etc |
| 18:21.16 | L84Supper | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs |
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| 19:10.46 | eebrah | traeak: I do not think even the inventors of plan9 have any intentions of doing anything serious with it |
| 19:11.24 | eebrah | It is more of a research project than anything .... but so was UNIX, Linux [ no commercial purpose at inception ] |
| 19:36.31 | traeak | i guess :( |
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| 20:49.53 | lkcl_ | traeak: the rbpi is actually far worse from a software freedom perspective than people realise. the GPU initialised the CPU, using proprietary firmware. don't agree to use proprietary firmware? then fuck off: you can't even boot the CPU |
| 20:50.36 | traeak | lkcl_: i know, the rpi just isn't that impressive and doesn't really do anyting very well atall |
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