| 00:23.32 | mashku | :( |
| 00:23.34 | mashku | drivers/ata/sw_ahci_platform.c:42:29: fatal error: plat/sys_config.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:23.38 | mashku | cant compile the kernel |
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| 00:43.37 | mashku | drivers/ata/sw_ahci_platform.c:42:29: fatal error: plat/sys_config.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:43.40 | mashku | any help? |
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| 01:28.21 | ln2 | Hello. =) |
| 01:32.53 | ln2 | Anybody awake? |
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| 04:16.02 | GeorgeIoak | ssvb: never could get Mali Renderer, hunted arounf the net and looks like it might have something to do w/ linaro? |
| 04:36.56 | steev | is there a huge difference between the mk802, mk802 II and the mk802 III ? |
| 04:37.21 | ManoftheSea | Size of memory is a big deal. |
| 04:37.32 | ManoftheSea | Also, availablity of UART |
| 04:37.36 | ManoftheSea | I think. |
| 04:38.06 | ManoftheSea | I never did get my UART hooked up. The U-Boot for the mk802 worked for my mk802II |
| 04:38.13 | ManoftheSea | I don't know about the III |
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| 05:11.15 | rm | steev, what they call MK802 III, appears to be based on RK3066 |
| 05:11.26 | rm | so yes there is a huge difference between that one and the others |
| 05:11.49 | steev | ah right, suppose i have to dig around on some android forums somewhere for that kernel sources? |
| 05:12.23 | rm | not sure, I know there is now https://code.google.com/p/rk3066-linux/ |
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| 08:33.47 | w00tc0d3 | Yeah :) my lesso |
| 08:33.55 | w00tc0d3 | class thuis houd is discontinued |
| 08:33.57 | w00tc0d3 | this |
| 08:34.08 | w00tc0d3 | hour |
| 08:34.11 | w00tc0d3 | damn keyboard |
| 08:36.57 | mnemoc | sure, blame the keyboard :) |
| 08:37.17 | lawrence | me spik inglish gud |
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| 08:42.26 | jelly-home | yus |
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| 09:21.55 | w00tc0d3 | haha :p |
| 09:22.12 | w00tc0d3 | well, it's the keyboard for sure |
| 09:22.23 | w00tc0d3 | I'm at phone |
| 09:45.12 | mnemoc | still your fingers ;-) |
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| 12:18.51 | vinifm | Turl: hi, do you think this patch fixes full duplelx support: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22273442/A13/patchs/spi_full.patch |
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| 12:34.42 | libv | do we really have DDR3 in the mele? |
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| 12:37.40 | mnemoc | libv: mine has hynix h5tq2g63bfr-h9c |
| 12:37.46 | mnemoc | which is ddr3 according to google |
| 12:42.46 | libv | yeah, same here |
| 12:42.57 | libv | still as slow as a dog though :) |
| 12:43.55 | ssvb | libv: mine is http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/2012-11-18#2274067 :) |
| 12:45.02 | libv | ah, right, i should still try to overclock the memory on it |
| 12:45.08 | libv | it might massively help framerates |
| 12:45.17 | libv | not sure i have time still for that today |
| 12:45.24 | mnemoc | the cubie runs the dram at 480 |
| 12:46.21 | mnemoc | but the mele's .fex only 360 |
| 12:46.34 | ssvb | I just wonder if any Mele A1000/2000 is perfectly stable with RAM clocked at 480MHz, and they just used 360MHz for lulz |
| 12:46.47 | mnemoc | test and see |
| 12:47.18 | ssvb | I have only one device, you know |
| 12:47.26 | ssvb | it is rock solid |
| 12:48.11 | mnemoc | in sunxi-boards I see 360, 408, 432 and 480 used as dram_clk of different a10 devices |
| 12:48.35 | ssvb | mnemoc: so basically I want to know if *yours* is stable at 480MHz :) |
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| 12:50.02 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:50.47 | mnemoc | ssvb: btw, may I add you to the linux-sunxi github group? |
| 12:58.12 | ssvb | mnemoc: I feel a bit uneasy about the proprietary blobs in the repositories there |
| 13:00.19 | ssvb | mnemoc: maybe I'm too paranoid, but I'm more in favour of handling them like this - https://github.com/ssvb/gentoo-overlay-sunxi-x11/blob/master/x11-drivers/mali-drivers/mali-drivers-9999.ebuild#L22 |
| 13:01.05 | mnemoc | they are kept isolated in separated repos |
| 13:01.21 | mnemoc | not mixed with free projects |
| 13:01.55 | mnemoc | and important blobs need to be maintained too |
| 13:02.13 | mnemoc | but it's fine. np |
| 13:05.43 | ssvb | allwinner just needs to provide some sort of EULA for these blobs and the problem will be solved |
| 13:06.26 | mnemoc | but they won't |
| 13:06.31 | mnemoc | because they don't care |
| 13:06.54 | ssvb | yes, I suspected something like this |
| 13:07.17 | mnemoc | *they* point people to us when people asks for sources.... :< |
| 13:08.25 | ssvb | well, and the ARM guys point people to silicon vendor - http://forums.arm.com/index.php?/topic/16259-how-can-i-upgrade-mali-device-driver/page__p__39744#entry39744 |
| 13:09.30 | mnemoc | "your request isn't worth of my time, go and bother someone else" |
| 13:10.55 | mnemoc | hipboi even sent a free mele and cubieboard to some ARM developers who promised to help with the integration and providing better blobs. they didn't. |
| 13:12.42 | ssvb | to me it looks like nobody simply wants to take responsibility in the case if shit hits the fan |
| 13:16.10 | Alex1269_ | mnemoc, hi... Was too busy last week. Today I got some time for coding. I found a gpio_request function in sun3i/sun4i/sun5i platform code conflicting with gpiolib. To compile it I have to rename sunxi platform code function. Look this: http://sprunge.us/EaHA?diff - is this acceptable changes ? |
| 13:17.00 | mnemoc | Alex1269_: ouch |
| 13:17.13 | mnemoc | need to go to pickup my daughters. back in 20m |
| 13:18.06 | Alex1269_ | * need to put sleep my doughter :) |
| 13:20.32 | vinifm | what is blobs? |
| 13:26.19 | mnemoc | bin-only stuff |
| 13:30.09 | mnemoc | Alex1269_: please do the rename for both sunxi-3.0/3.4 branches, and separated from any gpiolib work |
| 13:30.39 | mnemoc | gpio_release will need it too |
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| 13:37.13 | ln2 | vinifm: A "binary blob" is an .exe / .bin / .deb ect. The term is normally used when a company releases software as a binary without providing the source. Making our lives very difficult. |
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| 13:38.53 | vinifm | hum :) |
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| 14:08.39 | vinifm | in PIO MUX 2 = number 3? |
| 14:11.57 | gzamboni | mnemoc do you know for what is this patch for ? -> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-doc/msg07816.html |
| 14:12.14 | gzamboni | is gpio used for the u-boot ? |
| 14:12.44 | gzamboni | maybe Alex1269 can get some code from there |
| 14:13.32 | gzamboni | this is surly not from the sunxi git |
| 14:14.17 | gzamboni | Alex1269_ |
| 14:16.03 | mnemoc | the goal is only to hook known pins into /sys/class/gpio in 3.0/3.4 |
| 14:16.13 | rellla | is this lapdock worth trying to play with some sunxi-device? http://www.amazon.de/Motorola-A-860LAPDOCK-DE3A-Atrix-Netbook-Dock/dp/B004ZB8SYU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359641714&sr=8-1 |
| 14:16.17 | mnemoc | implementing as little as possible |
| 14:16.55 | Turl | gzamboni: that's GPIO support for 3.9 |
| 14:17.41 | mnemoc | rellla: I have one, it's nice, but the cable mess you get is awful |
| 14:17.56 | gzamboni | humm, so there are different comunities working on the Allwinner Socs |
| 14:18.02 | Turl | rellla: check the keyboard also, some have weird layouts |
| 14:18.12 | Turl | gzamboni: mripard is in here too :) |
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| 14:18.41 | gzamboni | do you know the git for that code ? |
| 14:19.23 | mnemoc | gzamboni: different parts go to different trees before mainlining |
| 14:19.30 | mnemoc | mostly coordinated on the linux-arm ml |
| 14:19.33 | Turl | I'm unsure if mripard pushed them to a tree |
| 14:19.56 | rellla | is waiting for mnemoc's lapdock instead. there's no need to buy it now ;) |
| 14:20.33 | mripard | it's mostly merged in the pinctrl tree of linus walleij |
| 14:20.56 | mripard | https://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linusw/linux-pinctrl.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/allwinner-sunxi |
| 14:21.17 | gzamboni | its nice to know there are work in progress. when the gpio for the allwinner soc will support inputs it will be awesome |
| 14:21.47 | gzamboni | Thank you mripard |
| 14:22.11 | mnemoc | rellla: i believe lawrence is mostly convinced to do the sourcing and manufacturing research and then go for indiegogo to see if there is interest. the PCB part still unclear... GeorgeIoak mentioned interest |
| 14:23.35 | mnemoc | rellla: but need some more feedback before moving http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Alejandro_Mery/Lapdock to elinux.org |
| 14:23.43 | rellla | i haven't followed the discussion, but saw your wiki userpage. |
| 14:27.14 | mripard | gzamboni: I'm not sure it will ever be possible |
| 14:27.25 | mripard | at least if you don't want to poll the gpio values... |
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| 14:28.44 | gzamboni | thats bad news |
| 14:32.09 | gzamboni | mripard polling the gpios is how its done using the /sys/class/gpio , no ? |
| 14:32.51 | mnemoc | some pins have irqs, some don't |
| 14:33.09 | mripard | gzamboni: well, it depends |
| 14:33.40 | mripard | if you call select() on a sys/class/gpio file, if the gpio value changes, you will be woken up |
| 14:34.10 | mripard | (on !allwinner at least) |
| 14:34.40 | mripard | if you usually loop and read the files value until it changes, you're right, it doesn't change anything :) |
| 14:34.55 | mripard | mnemoc: and most of the pins don't :( |
| 14:36.30 | gzamboni | i see, IRQ for extenals interuptions. mripard i do loop to get its values. =) didnt even know there was another way of doing it |
| 14:37.15 | gzamboni | i'm a noob. but interested in learning |
| 14:38.23 | gzamboni | everything moves up so fast, first time i see this pinctrl |
| 14:39.59 | mripard | pinctrl is very new |
| 14:40.10 | mripard | it only has a year or something like that |
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| 14:42.02 | gzamboni | gotta study more so someday maybe i will be able to contribute |
| 14:46.08 | w00tc0d3 | anyone here is involved in OpenMOKO? |
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| 14:48.20 | w00tc0d3 | wow |
| 14:48.21 | w00tc0d3 | http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/get/GTA04.sch.pdf |
| 14:48.35 | w00tc0d3 | i learn a lot from that |
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| 15:11.03 | torindel | w00tc0d3: i got some moko somewhere in a drawer, havent touched it in ages |
| 15:11.20 | torindel | more or less dead project |
| 15:12.49 | ln2 | Tizen coming soon. 8) |
| 15:23.19 | ln2 | Do you guys hate Tizen in here or something? Haha |
| 15:27.52 | Turl | I have more hope on FxOS to be honest :P |
| 15:28.30 | mnemoc | likes tizen, but doesn't have any hope in it's adoption |
| 15:31.20 | ln2 | Holy CRAP I had no idea about this. Now Firefox OS, Tizen AND Ubuntu Phone? O_o |
| 15:35.42 | mripard | Turl: btw, you should ping Mike Turquette about your patches btw |
| 15:36.30 | Turl | mripard: yeah I was considering doing it, but I haven't seen any mail from him these days |
| 15:36.49 | Turl | mripard: and I thought your reply would be enough of a ping :) |
| 15:37.31 | mripard | that was my intention actually :) |
| 15:41.18 | Turl | mripard: hm, you forgot to cc Linus on your LED series |
| 15:41.54 | mripard | not the whole series, but yeah, I know |
| 15:41.59 | Turl | mripard: and I copied your cc list so I 'forgot' too :P |
| 15:42.27 | mripard | Linus only takes care of pinctrl/gpio |
| 15:42.42 | mripard | so he doesn't have to be involved in your LED patch |
| 15:43.01 | Turl | should it go through arm-soc then? |
| 15:43.03 | mripard | yep |
| 15:43.07 | mripard | through me actually |
| 15:43.17 | mripard | just didn't had much time |
| 15:43.20 | mripard | lately |
| 15:43.36 | mripard | so I couldn't reply and merge your patch |
| 15:44.26 | mripard | sorry |
| 15:44.54 | w00tc0d3 | torindel: why? :p |
| 15:45.05 | Turl | mripard: no hurry :) |
| 15:45.18 | mripard | Turl: rule of thumb is everything that is in arch/arm/mach-* should go through arm-soc |
| 15:45.36 | mripard | for the rest, through the usual maintainer of what's being touched |
| 15:45.49 | torindel | w00tc0d3: why why? :P |
| 15:46.10 | mripard | but Linus merged a bit too much of my patches :) |
| 15:46.21 | mripard | so he now has most of the dt patches for 3.9 as well... |
| 16:10.18 | andoma | what does 'cedar' actually refer to? |
| 16:10.34 | andoma | is that the name of allwinners video decoding hardware/techonology |
| 16:10.39 | andoma | or just a lib? |
| 16:10.41 | andoma | or an app? |
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| 16:13.32 | Turl | andoma: it's the name given to the VPU |
| 16:13.40 | Turl | and its associated software |
| 16:13.51 | andoma | ok |
| 16:13.54 | andoma | as i suspected |
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| 16:18.36 | hramrach | ln2: I see Ubuntu phone as most viable. B2G is lame. sure, they will try to push it, there will be a few devices perhaps but too limited |
| 16:18.49 | hramrach | if you want limited system buy from Apple |
| 16:21.18 | ln2 | hramrach: I completely agree. My next phone will be Ubuntu Phone for sure. They finally stepped up and offered native applications. =) |
| 16:28.13 | jinzo | hramrach, I don't think so - B2G could be more successfull than Ubuntu Phone |
| 16:29.16 | jinzo | because Ubuntu showed it can have serious lack of persistance with Ubuntu TV |
| 16:29.36 | jinzo | and B2G is aiming lower end, which is always fun. |
| 16:29.56 | hramrach | it will fail anyway even if Ubuntu does not make the phone in the end |
| 16:30.30 | jinzo | But on the other hand, Google could close the pipe andCoMAtr74bA |
| 16:30.35 | jinzo | bah sorry |
| 16:30.47 | hramrach | yes, if you cam make 2x cheaper and lighter device with b2g than required for full Ubuntu that's useful too to some degree |
| 16:31.24 | hramrach | google failed at delivering android |
| 16:31.30 | hramrach | the devices simply don't work |
| 16:32.32 | hramrach | broken drivers/lockups/uniquely broken vendor-specific apps/... |
| 16:33.40 | Turl | how do they 'not work'? |
| 16:33.50 | Turl | I use android daily :) |
| 16:34.55 | hramrach | it's not you can't use it |
| 16:35.09 | hramrach | but phones should have some reliability |
| 16:35.26 | hramrach | you don't went to interrupt your call because your hone needs a reboot |
| 16:36.00 | hramrach | +p |
| 16:37.26 | hramrach | android suffers from the basic ARM device problem |
| 16:38.06 | ln2 | Android suffers from a Java problem. |
| 16:38.26 | ln2 | 4.5 watt AMD chips already exist. We aren't limited to ARM anymore. |
| 16:38.46 | hramrach | buggy drivers are released, they are fixed enough to make a demo of the device working, if you are lucky a fix or two for most serious bugs is released after device goes to market. Then if it's broken you get to keep the pieces. The manufacturer has moved on to another device |
| 16:39.27 | ln2 | Linux on ARM is rock solid. With Ubuntu Phone running on ARM and X86 devices we will have an apples to apples comparison. |
| 16:39.37 | ln2 | Right now the best we can say is that Java sucks. |
| 16:40.02 | hramrach | ln2: it's the same blobware as arm so same problem |
| 16:40.52 | ln2 | hramrach: Blobware comes from Google. Ubuntu Phone doesn't run in a java rapper, or have any proprietary software. |
| 16:40.54 | hramrach | at least you get chips directly from AMD who also designs them so you can possibly get drivers more easily than for ARM |
| 16:40.59 | ln2 | *wrapper |
| 16:41.19 | hramrach | but that is to be seen |
| 16:41.31 | ln2 | ARM GPU designs are used in only a subset of ARM powered devices. |
| 16:41.35 | hramrach | what does it run on? |
| 16:41.50 | ln2 | Ubuntu Phone is Ubuntu ARM with a tiny Unity interface. |
| 16:42.04 | hramrach | the other GPU designs are also third party licensed by SoC maker |
| 16:42.08 | jinzo | regarding the AMD GPUs, unfortunately they're moving back to a closed drivers for good. |
| 16:42.27 | hramrach | they were never open in fact |
| 16:42.56 | ln2 | I agree that other embedded GPU vendors are also closed. But my point is that our problems are not caused by the ARM architecture. ARM is not forcing anyones hand. |
| 16:43.15 | hramrach | when the X developers tried to make the card boot without any AMD blob the progress has somehow stopped |
| 16:43.30 | ln2 | If PowerVR released its drivers tomorrow, we would all have ARM devices with full 3D with no proprietary code. |
| 16:43.40 | hramrach | yes, the problems are by closed architecture, not specifically arm |
| 16:44.04 | ln2 | Absolutely. Thats where Ubuntu Phone is actually different. |
| 16:44.08 | hramrach | the additional problem of ARM is that you talk to SoC make who has no power over the IP of the stuff they put in SoC |
| 16:44.20 | ln2 | It is in fact the full Ubuntu desktop OS running on an ARM device. With no proprietary code. |
| 16:44.48 | ln2 | If just one embedded GPU manufacturer releases code, all of our dreams will come true. |
| 16:45.15 | ln2 | But Google and Java are responsible for the problems with Android. Not ARM. |
| 16:45.58 | hramrach | no, no problem with java |
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| 16:46.13 | hramrach | google has played the politics wrong around their code, though |
| 16:46.28 | hramrach | which worsens the problems we already have on ARM |
| 16:49.40 | ln2 | Java is responsible for almost all problems with all software on Earth. The rest are caused by Flash. |
| 16:49.40 | ln2 | But I don't exactly see what "ARM problem" exists? Stability? Efficiency? |
| 16:49.55 | ln2 | Got disconnected for a second. =( |
| 16:50.41 | hramrach | stability due to lack of maintenace |
| 16:51.00 | hramrach | every SoC has some 1-2yrs lifetime |
| 16:51.17 | hramrach | you can't debug drivers for a device in that time |
| 16:52.03 | hramrach | and google adds to that |
| 16:52.23 | ln2 | Sorry phone. I'm still here. =) |
| 16:52.26 | hramrach | on Windows lptop branding is done by setting the wallpaper and installing some vendor utilities |
| 16:52.50 | hramrach | on Android it is done by *implementing* the home screen app |
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| 16:53.22 | hramrach | so ever vendor has differnt one with tons of bugs |
| 16:53.28 | mripard | hramrach: blame the vendors. |
| 16:53.37 | mripard | you could very well just change the default wallpaper. |
| 16:53.54 | hramrach | if google released something working I Am sure some would use that |
| 16:53.58 | mripard | the vendors choose to reimplement the launcher |
| 16:54.23 | mripard | they do. |
| 16:54.45 | mripard | see the nexus devices |
| 16:56.29 | ln2 | Alright back. |
| 16:56.51 | ln2 | Vendors write software bugs into Java applications. That is a massive problem. |
| 16:57.37 | ln2 | However ARM architectures that are deployed into SoC's do not break compatibility. There is no ARM architecture bug that I'm aware of. |
| 16:58.23 | ln2 | I can cross-compile code from ARMv6 SoC to ARMv7 and there won't be any issues. That spans more like eight years, not two. |
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| 16:59.55 | ln2 | However if there is any evidence of the ARM architecture itself causing a software bug, I would be very interested in seeing it. |
| 17:00.42 | ln2 | ARM is being massively deployed in Top 500 supercomputers worldwide. I'm not sure they believe there is an architectural problem with ARM. |
| 17:01.46 | ln2 | Now... with that in mind. I believe that they are delusional that those systems will have a higher performance per watt than Xen Phi, or even consumer i7's. But we will see. |
| 17:01.54 | ln2 | *Xeon |
| 17:03.37 | rm | > ARM is being massively deployed in Top 500 supercomputers |
| 17:03.38 | rm | wat |
| 17:06.30 | ln2 | Mont-Blonc will be the first. |
| 17:06.50 | traeak | being massively deployed? |
| 17:07.33 | traeak | i was looking at that list yesterday, a customer was asking us for suggestions for a mass processing system we're helping them set up (our software |
| 17:07.37 | ln2 | By massively I don't mean massively adopted. I mean massive hardware installations ($$millions). |
| 17:08.51 | traeak | hmm |
| 17:08.58 | traeak | don't see arm anywhere on the top 500 |
| 17:09.00 | ln2 | I doubt that it will be massively adopted because as stated above, I believe that their performance per watt figures are inflated and inaccurate. |
| 17:09.04 | traeak | the floating point performance is pretty pathetic |
| 17:09.07 | ln2 | *Also I meant the Top 500 Green. =) |
| 17:09.12 | traeak | ahh |
| 17:09.41 | traeak | our stuff is so double precision and branch heavy |
| 17:10.06 | ln2 | To the extent that ARM does not have any architectural bugs or stability problems on a hardware level. I couldn't agree more that existing ARM chips are not suitable for scale. |
| 17:11.15 | ln2 | However these systems would simply not exist if there was a massive problem with ARM architectures in general. What exists are software problems. That exists in the X86 world too. 40% of all desktops still run Windows XP. Thats a lot worse than minor bugs in vendor written Java applications. |
| 17:12.16 | ln2 | traeak: You might want to look into Xeon Phi. ; ) |
| 17:13.10 | traeak | ln2 too rich for us, we're actually pumping tons of throughput on just dual xeons |
| 17:13.33 | traeak | 5k per machine is fine to keep up with one sensor :-p |
| 17:13.37 | traeak | for our stuff at least hehe |
| 17:13.49 | traeak | for MS i think that's a trailer of supercomputers |
| 17:13.54 | traeak | anyways |
| 17:14.19 | ln2 | Xeon Phi would be a money saver actually. You get sixty (yes sixty) 1.0ghz ivy bridge cores for ~$600. |
| 17:14.26 | traeak | interesting |
| 17:14.37 | traeak | or last run was on 500k images, maxxed out at 56GB ram |
| 17:14.56 | ln2 | These are medical images? |
| 17:15.11 | traeak | the algorithms can be 'fixed" |
| 17:15.12 | traeak | no |
| 17:15.17 | traeak | wait one |
| 17:16.32 | traeak | we have very high throughput geometric correct for sensors like pictometry, midas, etc. popular with apple, google, MS. we just need them to give us money (we're not big enough strangely) |
| 17:17.22 | traeak | the stuff you see when you zoom in on google maps or bird's eye on virtual earth or whatever apple has |
| 17:17.41 | ln2 | I can't see any reason at all why that couldn't run on Phi. It may require some minimal porting. But the benefits could be tremendous. I'm curious why don't you guys already run CUDA? |
| 17:19.24 | traeak | because we're generalists |
| 17:19.29 | traeak | branch heavy double precision |
| 17:19.34 | traeak | strangely enough |
| 17:19.45 | traeak | we've run into some guys usiing gpus |
| 17:19.52 | traeak | strangely enough we're more correct and faster |
| 17:20.14 | traeak | some idiots were trying to do lidar scanner processing on a gpu single precision |
| 17:20.30 | traeak | using our code my buddy did a reference implementation |
| 17:20.41 | traeak | full double precision and we were 4x faster |
| 17:21.01 | traeak | our stuff ran on a laptop real time and they ahd to download the data to a desktop to run it as well |
| 17:21.09 | traeak | so they suck, we don't, etc i know |
| 17:21.33 | traeak | and speed isn't our game, ultra high precision is (and not being stupid) |
| 17:22.30 | traeak | i got my fill of special processing hardware in the late 90's. its a manpower and maintenance nightmare, and stops dead portabilty |
| 17:22.39 | traeak | today i could recompile everything and run it on an arm |
| 17:22.59 | ln2 | That is a good point about code portability. I think that Phi might be a really good fit in that case since although it is an accelerator, it is an X86 / IvyBridge one. |
| 17:23.16 | traeak | that's probably worth looking into |
| 17:23.21 | techn_ | cubie stuck on customs :( |
| 17:23.25 | traeak | yuk |
| 17:23.30 | traeak | need to get a cusotmer to buy one for us |
| 17:24.11 | traeak | i can tell you right now 8GB is'nt enough |
| 17:24.21 | traeak | it would force me to do a bunch of coding to get around the limitations |
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| 17:26.02 | traeak | my partner's genius with calculus is in great part a big deal here. And our stuff scales linearly even to the quad socket amd systems with 48cores (and intels, the bottlenecks are different between those 2 systems) |
| 17:26.40 | traeak | sorry offtopic |
| 17:26.45 | traeak | where are the phis for 600usd? |
| 17:29.15 | traeak | one company ms bought gpu processing technology from, one of their partners told us: yeah their stuff is fast but the output is crap. but they dont' do geometric correction stuff, mostly just rectification engine and some image mosaic processing (the easy stuff) |
| 17:31.10 | extrados | I have debian booting on an a10 netbook, but lsusb doesn't show the wireless adapter. The adapter shows up and works in android. Any suggestions? |
| 17:32.36 | techn_ | is cubieboard person or company? I need to give senders information for customs.. |
| 17:32.52 | techn_ | or should I just use Tom's name |
| 17:33.14 | extrados | (The adapter id is 0bda:8176 which corresponds to either RTL8188CE or RTL8188CUS) |
| 17:33.23 | ln2 | I'm not sure that you can buy them individually *yet*. But you will be able to VERY soon. |
| 17:33.33 | ln2 | There are already systems with Phi running. |
| 17:33.38 | mnemoc | techn_: company is "cubietech" |
| 17:33.40 | w00tc0d3 | =/ =/ how to configure iptables? i did once & was locked out of my VPS LOL |
| 17:39.11 | traeak | w00tc0d3: very carefully. I still have nightmares over the first couple of iptables configurations I did. |
| 17:39.40 | traeak | of late i've just used the guis on my routers to deal with it |
| 17:39.56 | drachensun | Does any know if cedarx can be used to speed up video encoding like from a webcam stream? |
| 17:41.06 | mnemoc | drachensun: in theory it encodes too |
| 17:42.41 | mnemoc | the libva plugin is waiting for you |
| 17:42.43 | drachensun | ok, I was reading the contents of "instructions of CedarX recorder |
| 17:44.17 | drachensun | ahhh ok, so that is the standard api that needs to a glue piece to cedar |
| 17:44.26 | drachensun | to have a glue piece I mean |
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| 17:47.19 | drachensun | oh yeah, I finished that nand merge |
| 17:47.25 | drachensun | is there any interest in that? |
| 17:47.31 | drachensun | I didn't see any comments on the first patch |
| 17:47.38 | drachensun | i'm not sure I sent it right though |
| 17:48.58 | mnemoc | once you are happy, send it |
| 17:49.44 | drachensun | ok |
| 17:50.21 | mnemoc | i have quite a bunch of "pending" patches marked on the list because I can't test them atm. Acked/Reviewed-by replies would speed it up :) |
| 17:50.31 | w00tc0d3 | YEAH!! OpenVZ = SHIT |
| 17:51.17 | mnemoc | vserver is much nicer than openvz |
| 17:52.29 | w00tc0d3 | mnemoc: but this VPS is 3 euro/month :D |
| 17:53.13 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:53.40 | slapin | mnemoc: you forget about Tested-by thingy... |
| 17:54.04 | slapin | drachensun: which nand merge? |
| 17:54.29 | mnemoc | slapin: that would be even better obviusly :) |
| 17:54.45 | mnemoc | slapin: from the 1.5 SDKs |
| 17:55.05 | mnemoc | http://service.i-onik.de/ |
| 17:55.21 | drachensun | https://github.com/npeacock/linux-sunxi/commits/sunxi-3.0 |
| 17:55.27 | drachensun | the last 3 commits there |
| 17:55.39 | drachensun | I needed that to fix NAND with the hynix ships they are shipping now |
| 17:56.00 | drachensun | I remember hno mentioning having trouble getting the hynix spec sheet |
| 17:56.13 | mnemoc | drachensun: so, will you start the libva plugin for cedarx? :p |
| 17:56.15 | drachensun | I wonder if its for the same chip |
| 17:57.05 | drachensun | mnemoc: Yes, but I can't start immediately. |
| 17:57.52 | drachensun | mnemoc: My hdmi output on the mk802 isn't working, I thought it was related to the new EDID changes but I pulled an old kernel and that didn't fix it |
| 17:57.59 | drachensun | x keeps having segfaults |
| 17:59.12 | mnemoc | :| |
| 17:59.17 | w00tc0d3 | Hmm. I have a request for everyone here. :) If someone has a nice dedi server with a core i5, and 8-16GB RAM, could I get access to it please? Because, I'm building Android ROMs, and I want to run unstable builds every night :) Thank you in advance! |
| 17:59.51 | traeak | ouch, something like that is pretty cheap to acquire |
| 18:00.24 | mnemoc | w00tc0d3: https://robot.your-server.de/order/market has pretty nice deals |
| 18:01.14 | traeak | btw guy i work with noticed 32GB ddr3 sticks are out now |
| 18:01.46 | w00tc0d3 | mnemoc: Well, if I got a lot of donations, I could afford that. But I'm a poor student of 14 years old =/ |
| 18:01.46 | traeak | for the price you can get like 6 16GB sticks though |
| 18:02.15 | specing | w00tc0d3: Very few people in here like android |
| 18:02.21 | slapin | 34 euros is not that cheap I'd say... |
| 18:02.55 | rm | > a nice dedi server with a core i5, and 8-16GB RAM, could I get access to it please? |
| 18:03.00 | rm | would you like a pony with that? |
| 18:03.06 | traeak | heh |
| 18:03.08 | w00tc0d3 | ? |
| 18:03.13 | w00tc0d3 | pony? |
| 18:03.17 | specing | So unless you would want to recompile Gentoo for the A*, You aren't getting any help from me |
| 18:03.28 | specing | *recompile every night |
| 18:04.14 | w00tc0d3 | rm: pony? a little horse? I don't understand you fully =/ |
| 18:04.16 | slapin | and all are related to hetzner, why I am not surprized... |
| 18:04.43 | mnemoc | slapin: well... it's the "2nd hand market" of hetzner |
| 18:05.05 | slapin | mnemoc: so prices are higher? |
| 18:05.07 | rm | "...and a pony!" it's a common expression meaning unreasonable requests, asking for too much |
| 18:05.30 | mnemoc | slapin: sightly lower, but without setup fee |
| 18:05.35 | rm | also who the hell cares about Android |
| 18:05.50 | rm | develop for a proper GNU/Linux distro |
| 18:05.51 | mnemoc | slapin: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex cheapest is 49+49 |
| 18:05.56 | rm | and people might sponsor you |
| 18:06.02 | rm | but for android, ha... |
| 18:06.22 | mnemoc | rm: will? WarheadsSE doesn't seem to have that luck |
| 18:06.33 | rm | theoretically :) |
| 18:06.34 | rm | mnemoc, http://www.hetzner.de/page_us.htm |
| 18:06.43 | rm | this is their offer(s) I like the most |
| 18:07.33 | mnemoc | rm: nice... never saw that one before |
| 18:07.40 | WarheadsSE | what |
| 18:07.42 | rm | actually it is the same as by your link |
| 18:07.52 | rm | but with no VAT in the displayed prices |
| 18:08.08 | rm | you don't pay VAT if you're not an EU citizen |
| 18:08.09 | w00tc0d3 | rm: hah. GNU/Linux on my phone. Ghehehe ;P |
| 18:08.29 | mnemoc | WarheadsSE: w00tc0d3 wants an sponsor to build android images. rm says people will sponsor if you build a proper linux distro. do they? :) |
| 18:08.46 | WarheadsSE | we do have sponsors :) |
| 18:08.49 | rm | I said a GNU/Linux distro :) |
| 18:08.49 | mnemoc | assuming arch counts as "proper" :) |
| 18:09.10 | mnemoc | rm: :) |
| 18:09.23 | rm | Android is a "linux distro" too |
| 18:09.26 | slapin | mnemoc: what is business model of this 2nd market? |
| 18:09.32 | WarheadsSE | we don't pay a dime, from our well-known hosting companies, and we get a lot of hardware donated at this point |
| 18:09.33 | rm | want to avoid confusion, listen to RMS, use "GNU/Linux" |
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| 18:10.03 | mnemoc | slapin: they get old hw reutilized. you save setup fee. |
| 18:10.07 | rm | as for servers, I have two Atoms from OVH |
| 18:10.12 | w00tc0d3 | GNU/Linux on my phone. Please give me a distro which is suitable for my phone :P |
| 18:10.15 | rm | for 15 EUR/mo and 10 EUR/mo |
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| 18:10.19 | specing | < w00tc0d3> rm: hah. GNU/Linux on my phone. Ghehehe ;P |
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| 18:10.29 | specing | Android on my servers. Hah. Neva. |
| 18:10.43 | WarheadsSE | w00tc0d3: which phone |
| 18:10.56 | rm | specing, if I take SD card out, my IPv6/VPN router MK802 will boot android :D |
| 18:10.57 | w00tc0d3 | WarheadsSE: Samsung Galaxy SIII |
| 18:11.03 | slapin | w00tc0d3: buy Nokia N900 |
| 18:11.15 | WarheadsSE | w00tc0d3: for now, I suggest a chroot. |
| 18:11.20 | WarheadsSE | The mali drivers aren't complete yet. |
| 18:11.30 | w00tc0d3 | WarheadsSE: I'm using :) |
| 18:11.47 | WarheadsSE | mm, well, use the one of your choice, arch is of course as streamlined as it gets. |
| 18:11.52 | w00tc0d3 | WarheadsSE: But when the drivers are ready, I still couldn't call because it's closed source like shit |
| 18:12.59 | w00tc0d3 | WarheadsSE: BTW, libv is beginning next week on GLStack :D |
| 18:13.03 | specing | rm: but we both know that you wont do that, do we? |
| 18:13.22 | WarheadsSE | w00tc0d3: lima |
| 18:13.50 | w00tc0d3 | WarheadsSE: I know ;-) But Radio Interface Layer is for GSM ;-) |
| 18:13.58 | w00tc0d3 | (RIL) in Android |
| 18:14.13 | rm | sure |
| 18:14.18 | rm | it won't actually route anything |
| 18:14.28 | rm | or do anything useful whatsoever |
| 18:14.39 | mnemoc | rm: so your http://www.hetzner.de/page_us.htm is just a selection of http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex without VAT? :< |
| 18:14.50 | slapin | some people on neighbour channel try to use oFono on Android, btw. |
| 18:16.13 | rm | mnemoc, seems so, the "model names" match |
| 18:16.44 | rm | with the cheapest three |
| 18:16.50 | slapin | mnemoc: I need some dedicated server for $15/mo, as my $3 kvm vps start to getting too old... |
| 18:17.12 | rm | http://www.kimsufi.com/fr/ |
| 18:17.24 | extrados | Why would debian lsusb not show a WiFi adapter that android lsusb does? (rtl8188cus) |
| 18:17.54 | slapin | extrados: driver? do you try as root? |
| 18:18.23 | rm | extrados, you have its USB port disabled by default in your script.bin |
| 18:18.23 | Turl | w00tc0d3: android for what? |
| 18:18.38 | extrados | slapin: I'm logged in as root, and I should have the driver installed but I thought lsusb didn't depend upon the driver |
| 18:18.38 | mnemoc | that's probably the classic disabled-by-default usbc2 enabled byt the allwinnerized driver |
| 18:18.39 | rm | Allwinner-modified r8192cu driver enables that port when being loaded |
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| 18:18.51 | rm | so either try loading that module, or change your script.bin |
| 18:19.02 | extrados | rm: Oh? So I should just fiddle around with the script.bin? |
| 18:19.06 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: Android for the Samsung Galaxy SIII, AOSP based, with maximum tweaks while maintaining simpleness and speed :) |
| 18:19.24 | rm | extrados, yes, but I don't remember exactly which parameter to change and how :S |
| 18:19.26 | WarheadsSE | so just bootstrap off of cyanogenmod |
| 18:19.40 | extrados | Thanks everyone. I'll go try that |
| 18:19.59 | w00tc0d3 | WarheadsSE: Bootstrap off AOSP, with some CM tweaks :D |
| 18:20.04 | rm | was pretty intuitive to figure out, it was one port that had values set up not like all the others ^^ |
| 18:20.47 | WarheadsSE | you've choice w00tc0d3 |
| 18:21.15 | w00tc0d3 | WarheadsSE: ? |
| 18:21.46 | WarheadsSE | I'm just saying. You have the choice of where you want to base off. CM makes it nice an easy just to build right off their base. |
| 18:22.50 | w00tc0d3 | WarheadsSE: CM developers dislike kangs ;-) |
| 18:23.04 | Turl | CM already supports the S3 |
| 18:23.08 | w00tc0d3 | kangs = copies |
| 18:23.25 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: I'm just creatting a new ROM ;-) |
| 18:23.34 | Turl | as long as you give proper attribution, it's ok for us |
| 18:24.32 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: :) |
| 18:25.32 | Turl | what we tend to dislike is people who base their work on CM and claim it's their original creation |
| 18:25.40 | specing | When will the world have enaugh Read-Only Memories already? |
| 18:28.22 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: Ah... Anyways, do you have anyhting for me? :) |
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| 18:29.39 | Turl | I have my desktop PC |
| 18:29.46 | Turl | but my internet isn't that good |
| 18:30.15 | w00tc0d3 | ah.. OK, thank you anyways :) |
| 18:30.25 | w00tc0d3 | I don't understand why everyone dislikes Android |
| 18:32.04 | rm | ruined my 27-day uptime with a kernel upgrade :) |
| 18:32.05 | rm | on the MK802 |
| 18:32.33 | mnemoc | w00tc0d3: just the wrong channel if you look for android devs |
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| 18:33.05 | mnemoc | w00tc0d3: and those that tolerate android, prefer CM anyway |
| 18:33.25 | Turl | w00tc0d3: try talking with goo.im people |
| 18:33.28 | Turl | they have buildbots iirc |
| 18:33.53 | w00tc0d3 | Turl: I did message them @ #goo-inside.me but they're too busy to answer I think |
| 18:35.13 | vinifm | please, someone know how i use PIO: Pxx<mode><pull><drive><data>Configure pin? |
| 18:35.59 | Turl | vinifm: I like the other syntax |
| 18:36.01 | Turl | the one with ? |
| 18:36.30 | Turl | with = sorry |
| 18:36.38 | vinifm | ./pio -m PE3<4><3><0><1> |
| 18:36.47 | Turl | vinifm: if you use that one you need "" |
| 18:36.55 | Turl | < and > are special shell chars |
| 18:39.41 | vinifm | ok, thanks :) |
| 18:46.36 | w00tc0d3 | hmm |
| 18:46.54 | w00tc0d3 | how to setup divecot + postfix on Debian wheexy/sid? |
| 18:47.20 | ln2 | Zentyal <= |
| 18:49.01 | w00tc0d3 | wuttabeast for 76 euro/month: core i7 980x with 24GB RAM & 5TB HDD |
| 18:50.32 | w00tc0d3 | but this one's quicker |
| 18:50.33 | w00tc0d3 | http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex6s |
| 18:52.18 | slapin | waits for arm hosters to appear |
| 18:53.03 | jelly-home | w00tc0d3: quicker for what? |
| 18:53.19 | w00tc0d3 | jelly-home: overall |
| 18:53.23 | jelly-home | hope youdon't need more than 200-300 iops |
| 18:53.41 | w00tc0d3 | slapin: I do, too :) |
| 18:54.55 | jelly-home | canonical gave free access to devels last summer-autumn, didn't they? |
| 18:56.10 | jelly-home | https://trystack.org/ |
| 18:57.58 | specing | well since they want you to join their assbook crap, no. |
| 18:59.26 | vinifm | mnemoc: pull = 3 really has no function |
| 19:02.04 | jelly-home | that merely means you don't need free arm servers enough to create a fake fb account |
| 19:02.39 | jelly-home | specing: also, the signup page now only lists fb requirement for x86, not arm |
| 19:04.08 | specing | ... interesting |
| 19:05.18 | w00tc0d3 | hmm |
| 19:05.26 | w00tc0d3 | cubieboard in a laptop, is that nice? |
| 19:05.41 | w00tc0d3 | or could I better implement a Freescale Sabre i.MX6Q in it? |
| 19:08.45 | Turl | vinifm: pull 0=none, 1=up, 2=down |
| 19:09.18 | Turl | run "./pio" for help |
| 19:10.14 | vinifm | yea, i know. i tested pull=3 for a specific application |
| 19:10.35 | vinifm | REPEATER MODE |
| 19:11.48 | vinifm | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22273442/A13/table_pin_mode.png |
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| 19:20.07 | mnemoc | vinifm: you *decided* pull = 3 means repeater, documentation doesn't say anything about that value. and no .fex uses it |
| 19:20.28 | extrados | Thanks again. I was able to get my wireless working with the script.bin tip. I just had to chang the usb_init_state to 1 |
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| 19:23.58 | vinifm | yea, was just an attempt |
| 19:25.25 | jochensp | Hi, I have distored sound on a mini x (allwinner A10) with linux, any tips? |
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| 19:37.28 | w00tc0d3 | is there an API to create repos @ GitHub? |
| 19:38.04 | mnemoc | w00tc0d3: #github ? |
| 19:39.06 | WarheadsSE | jochensp: define "distorted sound" |
| 19:39.24 | jochensp | WarheadsSE: overdriven I would say |
| 19:40.34 | jochensp | WarheadsSE: it's gone when I turn the volume really low, but than it's not loud enough |
| 19:42.38 | jochensp | and it's not the case with android |
| 19:48.30 | WarheadsSE | mm |
| 19:48.39 | WarheadsSE | compared the two fex? |
| 19:49.20 | w00tc0d3 | interesting... |
| 19:49.40 | w00tc0d3 | making a script to push all my Android repos (~150) to github |
| 19:50.14 | mnemoc | w00tc0d3: it's a better idea to fork the already existing repos |
| 19:50.23 | jochensp | w00tc0d3: copied the one from the device, no difference |
| 19:50.45 | w00tc0d3 | mnemoc: these are from android.googlesource.com |
| 19:50.47 | jochensp | @WarheadsSE meant you |
| 19:51.14 | mnemoc | w00tc0d3: it's for bw and storage economy |
| 19:52.12 | mnemoc | jochensp: don't prefix nicks with @ in irc |
| 19:52.35 | mnemoc | jochensp: many clients won't highlight the nick match |
| 19:52.41 | jochensp | mnemoc: sorry, thanks |
| 19:54.26 | jochensp | WarheadsSE: I've copied script.bin from the device, used bin2fex and update the fex from the repo (changed dram.c as well), is there any other place I have to change the values? |
| 19:55.09 | WarheadsSE | no, those are the likely places. |
| 19:55.28 | WarheadsSE | admittedly I've never had overdriving issues on the A10's I have |
| 19:57.04 | jochensp | WarheadsSE: should I post my fex files somewhere, because the had some different values to the once in the repro |
| 20:00.55 | WarheadsSE | that ones not up to me |
| 20:02.02 | jochensp | any other idea? Could it help to upgrade android to the latest version and get the fex stuff from it? |
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| 21:03.37 | techn_ | ssvb: http://pastebin.com/xiTvMszP |
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| 21:03.52 | techn_ | with that you can reproduce pageflip problem easily |
| 21:04.36 | techn_ | seems that offscreen rendering doesnt work with normal layer :/ |
| 21:06.40 | ssvb | techn_: is the problem in FBIOPAN_DISPLAY? |
| 21:08.13 | ssvb | techn_: in any case, FBIOPAN_DISPLAY is only suitable for fullscreen, so it has limited utility |
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| 22:04.59 | jochensp | WarheadsSE: just upgraded to the the newest android, copied a new .fex, still same problem, sound is disterted when I put master volume above 50%, any other ideas? |
| 22:05.10 | jochensp | anyone else any idea on this? |
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| 23:10.06 | torindel | hmmm anyway to dump sys_config1.fex from running system on a10? |
| 23:10.08 | mnemoc | mount nanda |
| 23:11.11 | torindel | thx |
| 23:11.17 | torindel | forgot about that ^^ |
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