| 00:08.16 | Marex | slapin: poke scottwood |
| 00:27.56 | slapin | Marex: we'll see |
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| 00:40.53 | slapin | hno: pushed samsung support + init_size in the same patch, reverted yours. |
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| 01:02.37 | slapin | hno: please test if nothing is broken |
| 01:06.03 | Marex | slapin: hrm |
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| 01:27.43 | slapin | Marex: hrm? |
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| 02:03.38 | Marex | slapin: nothing ... I'm frustrated |
| 02:03.46 | Marex | slapin: discuss technical stuff |
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| 05:23.02 | Marex | coolness ... we have MX23 USB loader operational now |
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| 10:05.19 | slapin | Marex: any link on USB loader? |
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| 10:08.40 | slapin | hno: ping |
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| 11:17.48 | galex-713 | Do CubieBoard support wifi? |
| 11:19.35 | mnemoc | connected over usb, yes |
| 11:20.09 | galex-713 | Great :) perfect |
| 11:23.23 | galex-713 | More usefull quick and simpler: Where can I find a comparaison table of all those differents mini-computer board (CubieBoard, Mele, MK802, Goosberry, RaspberryPi, Trimslice, nytrogen6x etc.)? |
| 11:31.57 | galex-713 | *computers boards |
| 12:11.11 | hno | slapin, yes? |
| 12:11.35 | hno | hm... |
| 12:17.04 | hno | slapin, hynix datasheet did not match code at all in the higher bits. Why I wrote a hynix section. |
| 12:40.38 | galex-713 | Somebody have an answer to my question? no? |
| 12:41.56 | hno | galex-713, they are all quite different. |
| 12:43.19 | galex-713 | Yes… But I'm quite a newbie ^^ and It's a bit difficult to chose for me… ^^" |
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| 12:51.29 | mnemoc | galex-713: if you describe what you want we can help you narrowing the options |
| 12:54.51 | galex-713 | I would like a device under 50€ with Ethernet and Wifi support, able to support mail, ftp, web, sql, irc, jabber, sip, ssh, dhcp and dns servers in same time, low-consume, power with micro-usb, storage with SATA or USB and the most powerfull (always under 50€)… |
| 12:58.38 | galex-713 | I would like know a thing: Seeing the pins on RPi picture I would like know what is their usage? It is possible to plug differents ports (USB, Ethernet, HDMI, SD…) to these pins? |
| 12:58.58 | hno | galex-713, so you want a small server? |
| 12:59.28 | galex-713 | Yes |
| 13:02.45 | galex-713 | But I wondered if I could add a touchscreen and a keyboard and wifi support to get a personnal smartphone (Made with adhesive tape) |
| 13:03.49 | hno | IP phone yes. Smartphone not really. |
| 13:05.18 | galex-713 | Not with usual smartphone network |
| 13:05.47 | hno | You wouldn need battery as well I would think. |
| 13:06.18 | galex-713 | Oh! I forgot battery! |
| 13:07.01 | hno | From your description Cubieboard comes closest, but it do not have battery connector in current revision, maybe future. |
| 13:07.40 | hno | also LCD+touch shield is not available yet. Not too hard to build your own if you are a little experienced with building electronics. |
| 13:08.43 | galex-713 | I've never experimented in electronic… But I would like it… |
| 13:11.28 | galex-713 | Is there a such (or maybe more expansive or without some connectors) computer with touch-shield and battery connector? |
| 13:17.08 | hno | slapin, why did you move generic chip detection to sunxi_nand.c? |
| 13:18.44 | hno | chip page size is not controller dependent in any way. |
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| 15:28.09 | penguin42 | lkcl: What happened to your 1st batch of PCBs? |
| 15:30.28 | vgrade | is the other small board a cubie? |
| 15:30.42 | vgrade | sry wrong window |
| 15:30.54 | galex-713 | hno: Is is possible to connect to micro USB an adaptater with battery? |
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| 15:39.27 | bsdfox | galex-713, buy a smartphone if you want a smartphone |
| 15:39.32 | bsdfox | or a tablet |
| 15:40.16 | bsdfox | what you describe can't be pieced together (especially not by you, judging by your questions) for anywhere near the price range you indicate |
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| 16:41.22 | galex-713 | bsdfox: But I want a device 100% free/open-source/open-hardware |
| 16:41.42 | galex-713 | AND I want a keyboard AND a camera |
| 16:42.00 | galex-713 | AND I've just 50€ |
| 16:43.59 | bsdfox | galex-713, http://www.lemote.com/en/ but you're going to need more money |
| 16:45.05 | rm | surprised you didn't add "and a pony" |
| 16:46.44 | galex-713 | \o/ |
| 16:47.43 | galex-713 | AND a dogtupus (or a p0nyyyyyy) |
| 16:48.44 | galex-713 | Does Lemote sell little arm device ? |
| 16:48.49 | galex-713 | *devices |
| 16:54.16 | bsdfox | stop trolling |
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| 16:59.05 | galex-713 | stop trolling |
| 16:59.24 | galex-713 | *stops |
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| 17:33.25 | slapin | hno: I hope mtd will be updated and this code will not be needed |
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| 17:36.30 | lkcl | penguin42: don't know. some design fault, don't know what it is, we're leaving it up to wits-tech to fix it. |
| 17:36.44 | gohd260 | I have an allwinner A13 tablet. It's running Debian from the sd card. Can't get the touchscreen working right. Using the gt811_ts driver |
| 17:37.13 | penguin42 | lkcl: Hmm so you've payed for boards, but they're saying there's a design fault and they won't tell you what? |
| 17:37.20 | lkcl | penguin42: correct! |
| 17:37.36 | penguin42 | lkcl: Bizarre! |
| 17:37.37 | lkcl | luckily we agreed with them that they'd pay for a rework if there was a fault |
| 17:37.40 | lkcl | shrugs |
| 17:37.52 | gohd260 | Can anybody help me out? |
| 17:37.56 | lkcl | being philosophical about it, we don't care - we trust them that they'll fix it! |
| 17:38.15 | penguin42 | lkcl: Well it's not very open is it |
| 17:40.54 | lkcl | penguin42: if you can think of a sentence to write which will convince people of a chinese culture disposition to respond then i will quite happily send it on to them. |
| 17:41.56 | lkcl | from what i can gather it's just a cultural thing - "face-saving". we're working on them. *gently*. |
| 17:42.09 | penguin42 | lkcl: I don't know enough Chinese to be able to, but something like 'We find openness about problems more respectful than hiding errors@ |
| 17:44.49 | L84Supper | sheesh there are enough working examples of a10 boards |
| 17:45.26 | lkcl | L84Supper: the space here is very very tight. |
| 17:45.53 | lkcl | we had one PCB manufacturer actually say that it's impossible to get the components onto the PCB |
| 17:45.56 | L84Supper | I tried to warn you |
| 17:46.16 | lkcl | it's ok: i knew it was tight. |
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| 17:48.38 | L84Supper | USB is just a differential pair and power detect |
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| 18:10.00 | gohd260 | I have an allwinner A13 tablet. It's running Debian from the sd card. Can't get the touchscreen working right. Using the gt811_ts driver |
| 18:10.36 | gohd260 | Can anybody help out? |
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| 18:14.44 | gohd260 | No matter where I touch the click is in the upper left corner. |
| 18:17.07 | penguin42 | L84Supper: Well the Pi guys screwed up their USB as well - it's amazing how hard it is to get 4 wires right.... |
| 18:21.59 | hno | gohd260, sounds like the triver have lost all calibration. |
| 18:22.29 | hno | penguin42, it's a bit more than 4 wires. The power control is easy to get wrong. |
| 18:22.43 | penguin42 | hno: Yeh I knowm |
| 18:22.45 | hno | esp on an OTG port. |
| 18:23.20 | penguin42 | working OTG ports seem to be pretty damn rare |
| 18:23.55 | L84Supper | penguin42: I recall the USB driver issues and the poly-fuses |
| 18:24.18 | hno | penguin42, there is more working OTG ports than there is working OTG drivers. |
| 18:24.40 | penguin42 | haha |
| 18:26.43 | hno | slapin, why not just update nand_base.c instead and send for review? |
| 18:27.02 | hno | about to submit the u-boot changes anyway. |
| 18:27.15 | hno | well not the mtd part yet. |
| 18:28.55 | brooc | hno, Hi, I was here a couple of days ago. |
| 18:29.36 | brooc | Is there really no way to start developing without an actual board? |
| 18:34.58 | vinifm | how you will test? |
| 18:35.36 | brooc | Some sort of emulator? |
| 18:38.28 | vinifm | i never tried this, emulator are not good |
| 18:38.50 | vinifm | *emulators |
| 18:39.12 | L84Supper | Hi-802, i.MX6 Quad HDMI Stick ($89 incl worldwide shipping, but suddenly actually not available http://armdevices.net/2012/10/16/hi802-i-mx6-quad-hdmi-stick-89-incl-worldwide-shipping-on-armdevices-net-members-store/ |
| 18:39.35 | L84Supper | http://armdevices.net/members-store/ |
| 18:39.57 | L84Supper | " DELAYED AGAIN. SORRY Freescale only started shipping the i.MX6 Quad-core CPU very recently and that has delayed the supplier, also under pressure from some big customers" |
| 18:41.33 | L84Supper | i.mx6 and the Qualcomm MSM8225 tablets are also delayed.... |
| 18:43.17 | vinifm | brooc, but you can cross compile |
| 18:43.47 | brooc | But will I do with the compiled binary? |
| 18:43.59 | brooc | Who will test it for me? |
| 18:44.59 | vinifm | it is possible to test in cell phones or tablets |
| 18:45.31 | vinifm | i already did |
| 18:47.24 | brooc | How is that done? |
| 18:48.01 | brooc | What OS do those run? |
| 18:48.10 | vinifm | android |
| 18:48.57 | vinifm | you cross compile, transfer the file, and run it |
| 18:49.41 | vinifm | but you must a android rooted |
| 18:51.08 | brooc | Let me check which processor I have on my phone |
| 18:52.04 | vinifm | mine is arm11 |
| 18:52.17 | vinifm | android 2.3 |
| 18:52.25 | brooc | cortex a9 |
| 18:52.34 | brooc | I have the Galaxy Nexus |
| 18:52.37 | vinifm | good :) |
| 18:52.45 | brooc | Android 4.3 |
| 18:52.47 | brooc | 4.2 |
| 18:53.02 | brooc | Will this work? |
| 18:53.23 | vinifm | yes, just rooted it |
| 18:53.40 | brooc | Already rooted |
| 18:54.10 | vinifm | ok, i can upload a file for you to test |
| 18:54.24 | brooc | How do I place the compiled binaries in the right place? |
| 18:54.27 | brooc | Sure |
| 18:54.38 | brooc | What will it do? |
| 18:55.08 | vinifm | printf("Hello ARM!") |
| 18:55.13 | vinifm | :) |
| 18:55.23 | brooc | ok |
| 18:55.33 | brooc | Where do I place it? |
| 18:56.05 | vinifm | you can place in sdcard |
| 18:56.18 | vinifm | just 1 minute |
| 18:56.21 | brooc | In the file system I mean |
| 18:59.08 | brooc | What's the difference between A9 and A10? |
| 18:59.20 | vinifm | you also must a terminal emulator + busybox |
| 18:59.50 | brooc | I have both |
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| 19:00.04 | brooc | What's the difference between A9 and A10? |
| 19:00.05 | penguin42 | brooc: Be careful, they're different things |
| 19:00.25 | penguin42 | brooc: There are a series of cores from ARM called Cortex-A8,A9,A15 (in order of performance) |
| 19:00.38 | penguin42 | brooc: The Allwinner A10 is a chip that uses a Cortex-A8 core - confused yet? |
| 19:01.34 | vinifm | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22273442/test |
| 19:01.35 | brooc | So the A10 is not in the same series ans the Cortex-Ax? |
| 19:01.39 | hno | brooc, sure you can do a lot of development without actually running the code. And I can arrange for remote access to a device to test things on if interested. |
| 19:01.40 | penguin42 | brooc: Correct |
| 19:02.01 | brooc | I am interested |
| 19:02.18 | penguin42 | brooc: It's just someone else decided to use 'A' as a naming; in the same way the Apple A4 and A5 chips are a different naming series from the Cortex-A series that they use (and there is a Cortex A5 I think that's not an Apple A5) |
| 19:02.47 | brooc | So what vinifm has now uploaded will not run on my phone? |
| 19:03.08 | brooc | Because he has cross-compiled it for A10 |
| 19:03.17 | penguin42 | brooc: Not necessarily |
| 19:03.22 | brooc | Allwinner A10 and not the Cortex-A9 |
| 19:03.29 | penguin42 | brooc: The A10 uses an A8 core |
| 19:03.46 | vinifm | i used arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
| 19:03.49 | penguin42 | brooc: The A8 core has almost the same instruction set as an A9 (there is an extra SMP prefetch instruction rarely used on a9) |
| 19:04.02 | vinifm | it is generic |
| 19:04.02 | penguin42 | brooc: There are also some options that may or may not be on some chips that you get into trouble with |
| 19:04.29 | brooc | It sounds like there is very little risk here |
| 19:04.33 | brooc | Am I correct? |
| 19:04.37 | penguin42 | brooc: Generally if you compile something for ARMv7 without NEON you're safe for stuff to run on any Cortex-A8,A9 |
| 19:04.55 | penguin42 | brooc: Oh it shouldn't break anything if it's just a userland program |
| 19:05.25 | brooc | right, but kernel stuff might? |
| 19:05.36 | brooc | vinifm, what do I do with the file? |
| 19:05.43 | penguin42 | brooc: SO there are 3 naming systems here; the ARM cortex chip numbering (A8, A9, A15 etc), ALlwinners chip name (A10, A13), and the ARM instruction set versions (ARMv7, ARMv7M and the option of NEON) |
| 19:06.13 | penguin42 | brooc: Kernel building is much more random - generally on ARM you'll need something built for at least the specific chip and possibly the speciific board you're using (although that's trying to be fixed) |
| 19:07.07 | vinifm | transfer to sdcard, chmod u+x test, ./test |
| 19:09.34 | vinifm | actually you can place anywhere, but the sdcard is better |
| 19:11.03 | vinifm | I just could not test drivers |
| 19:11.27 | hno | brooc, then if you want to make a sky dive I would suggest adding sunxi i2c driver to arm-soc/for-next tree as a reasonable goal. |
| 19:14.01 | brooc | I keep getting bad mode |
| 19:16.34 | brooc | when I chmod 777 test I get operation not permitted |
| 19:17.16 | vinifm | type: su and try again |
| 19:17.51 | brooc | I did but I doesn't ask for root permission for some reason |
| 19:18.59 | brooc | hno, do I do that by getting the i2c driver from the main linux kernel and start trying to compile in the sunxi branch? |
| 19:19.15 | brooc | that is of course after I get my toolchain set u[ |
| 19:19.16 | brooc | up |
| 19:25.04 | vinifm | hum, i got: sh: ./test: Permission denied |
| 19:26.15 | vinifm | I remembered, for work I installed linux for android |
| 19:27.25 | vinifm | but just need to remount the partition w+r |
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| 20:07.09 | brooc | hno, can you please direct me to where I can start reading on porting this driver |
| 20:07.31 | brooc | I have not done anything like this before so I have some reading to do |
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| 20:09.24 | brooc | hno? |
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| 20:29.45 | mnemoc | mripard: beside $work$ been eating me soul the main reason why I didn't move forward with the pinctrl driver is because I still don't fully understand how to represent them in DT in a decent manner. if you can add the basic infrastructure and some part of the A13 (chip id AW1626)'s pinctrl/gpiolib I can follow you with A10 (AW1623) and A10S (chipid still unknown, until someone gets access to a device) |
| 20:32.46 | mripard | mnemoc: it's quite messy at the moment, but I kind of like the representation the freescale's guy have chosen |
| 20:32.55 | mripard | it's basically a number |
| 20:33.09 | mripard | which is 0x<bankid><pinid><function> |
| 20:33.37 | mripard | so if you want to mux pin 10 of the first bank to the third function |
| 20:33.49 | mripard | you'll end up with 0x10a3 |
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| 20:34.33 | mripard | and the extra informations, like pullups, drive strength and so on, are regular dt properties |
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| 20:36.06 | mnemoc | btw we have 11 banks with up to 32 pins each |
| 20:36.14 | mripard | do we ? |
| 20:36.35 | mripard | on the A10 datasheet, it looks like there is only 9 of them |
| 20:36.45 | mripard | with completely random number of pins |
| 20:37.08 | mripard | it's a good thing if it's that simple :) |
| 20:38.26 | slapin | hno: better path is to make them update mtd from Linux, as they do it from time to time |
| 20:38.50 | mnemoc | mripard: right, 9 |
| 20:39.04 | slapin | hno: Marex says we need to poke scottwood for that |
| 20:39.38 | mripard | mnemoc: and do you know what the functions 0 and 1 are for the pins ? |
| 20:39.49 | mnemoc | 0 is input, 1 is output |
| 20:39.50 | mripard | it's present sometimes on the FEX documentation |
| 20:40.10 | mripard | oh, so GPIOs, ok. |
| 20:40.38 | mnemoc | mripard: and the max per bank in A10 are { 18, 24, 25, 28, 12, 6, 12, 28, 22 }, A13 are { 0, 10, 17, 22, 12, 6, 9 } and A10S { 18, 21, 20, 28, 12, 6, 14 }. |
| 20:41.21 | mnemoc | with "P%c%u",'A'+i, j as the traditional name |
| 20:41.35 | mripard | I see |
| 20:42.38 | slapin | hno: ping |
| 20:43.19 | mripard | mnemoc: also, do you happen to know the register layout of the PIO stuff |
| 20:43.42 | mripard | the PIO_REG_CFG and all macros in pin_ops.c are supposed to give me an hint |
| 20:44.01 | mripard | but the results collides between banks and pins |
| 20:44.12 | mripard | so I'm not quite sure about it. |
| 20:44.24 | mnemoc | 1m |
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| 20:47.29 | empat0 | I'm happy. I just got lincedarv to decode ALL MPEG4's! Those two or three which do not work also fail on the android reference player! |
| 20:48.25 | mnemoc | mripard: I have that stuff, but I had to move my stuff out of the $work$ server and having a hard time to find it |
| 20:49.40 | mripard | mnemoc: that's not urgent to the minute, don't worry :) |
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| 21:06.09 | mnemoc | mripard: |
| 21:06.12 | mnemoc | mripard: http://sprunge.us/iicc?c |
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| 21:18.37 | mripard | mnemoc: thanks :) |
| 21:20.35 | mnemoc | mripard: hope that helps :) |
| 21:21.03 | mripard | yep |
| 21:21.32 | mripard | in the time being, I wrote a small python script that generates the register layout from the allwinner's magic macros :) |
| 21:21.33 | vinifm | mnemoc: sw-uart.c to be ported to A13? |
| 21:22.15 | mripard | mnemoc: http://code.bulix.org/1s0c9p-82539 |
| 21:22.23 | mripard | I guess I'll write a wiki page for that |
| 21:22.31 | mripard | just to keep track of this. |
| 21:23.02 | mripard | with your code, now I know what are the offsets and what size have the values |
| 21:25.34 | vinifm | i mean, sw-uart.c can be ported to A13? |
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| 21:26.40 | mnemoc | vinifm: nothing to port, the contorller is the same |
| 21:27.29 | mnemoc | mripard: we have incomplete http://linux-sunxi.org/A10/PIO and http://linux-sunxi.org/A13/PIO pages |
| 21:27.47 | mnemoc | but a generic [[PIO]] for the controller itself would be good |
| 21:28.46 | mripard | aaaah, interesting, thanks. |
| 21:29.36 | mnemoc | mripard: also, I just uploaded the A10S datasheet to http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/A10s/ |
| 21:29.43 | mnemoc | mripard: it's a sun5i |
| 21:30.22 | vinifm | but why sw-uart is not into linux-sunxi 3.0? |
| 21:30.40 | mripard | mnemoc: what's the difference with A13 then ? |
| 21:31.18 | mripard | ah, supports more RAM from the wiki, ok. |
| 21:32.16 | mripard | the datasheet contains more stuff though |
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| 22:01.39 | Marex | slapin: see my google+ ... git.bfuser.eu |
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| 22:15.47 | Marex | mripard: smile :D |
| 22:24.44 | mnemoc | mripard: different pins, and has ethernet and hdmi |
| 22:29.42 | mnemoc | vinifm: we have a 8250 driver in 3.0 and 3.4 |
| 22:30.52 | vinifm | ok |
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| 22:39.07 | mripard | mnemoc: I see, so it's a sun4i without SATA basically? |
| 22:48.12 | RaYmAn | without sata,hdmi, Ethernet and with fewer pins. and supposedlya more manageable package |
| 22:48.21 | Marex | RaYmAn: A13 ? |
| 22:48.27 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 22:49.02 | RaYmAn | Imight have missed the conch and it was really about a10s? |
| 22:55.03 | mripard | RaYmAn: yes, it was about A10s :) |
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| 23:06.37 | Marex | RaYmAn: I keep pondering how that CM10 was built for the MK802 |
| 23:06.57 | Marex | RaYmAn: I'd like to try and build one myself (since i need some additional features) ... but I can't find any understandable howto |
| 23:14.48 | mnemoc | mripard: it also has less of each thing, 4 uarts instead of 8, etc. |
| 23:17.53 | slapin | what is all ravings and screaming about 0x202e? I hate when I can't understand trends :( |
| 23:18.01 | slapin | is frustrated |
| 23:18.02 | Marex | slapin: :D |
| 23:18.08 | mripard | mnemoc: ok |
| 23:18.27 | Marex | slapin: you mean â® this ? |
| 23:18.29 | Marex | oops |
| 23:18.50 | Marex | slapin: U+202e is force right-to-left unicode character |
| 23:18.56 | Marex | slapin: it was in one of the latest xkcd |
| 23:19.27 | slapin | ah, I remember that, but I didn't understand it too |
| 23:19.31 | Marex | ;-) |
| 23:19.43 | slapin | feels ignorant |
| 23:19.49 | Marex | slapin: run 'kcharselect' or the like, search the character, copy to clipboard ... paste it to google |
| 23:19.56 | Marex | check the firefox window name :D |
| 23:20.00 | Marex | funny |
| 23:22.21 | Marex | slapin: laugh, it's supposed to be funny ;-) |
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| 23:26.06 | slapin | Marex: it prints backwards |
| 23:26.13 | slapin | Marex: some of messages |
| 23:26.22 | slapin | Marex: and window title |
| 23:26.28 | slapin | hmmmmm |
| 23:26.37 | slapin | sorta google humour |
| 23:28.23 | slapin | in gtk you just have to shift-ctrl-u then type hex numbers (output is very confusing, just like with Japanese input methods), then after pressing ender it disappears |
| 23:29.02 | Turl | hello dudes :D |
| 23:29.42 | Turl | you can right click -> insert an unicode control char too :P |
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| 23:31.51 | slapin | Turl: not in my iceweasel though |
| 23:32.26 | Turl | you can on pidgin or any other gtk app |
| 23:33.17 | slapin | Turl: but not in firefox, since they use some custom menus |
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