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| 00:31.28 | focus_it | yeeea! I got me a Gemei G2 working with Lubuntu following the instructions from here lubuntu 12.04 gemei g2 |
| 00:32.59 | focus_it | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNenqEAGHd8 |
| 00:46.03 | Sv | awesome |
| 00:50.17 | slapin | hno: I have dumped lots of NAND work, but I still nof fully understand how LA works, so the data are crappy. I will try to configure it for state mode - I might be able to store proper data then |
| 01:03.22 | Marex | slapin: hello |
| 01:03.22 | Marex | LA ? |
| 01:04.39 | slapin | Marex: hi, LA = Logic Analyser |
| 01:05.12 | Marex | slapin: hm ... you're sniffing data on the nand bus ? |
| 01:05.19 | slapin | Marex: I got myself HP 16500C chassis with 16555A logic analyser board and accessories |
| 01:05.27 | slapin | Marex: yeah |
| 01:06.18 | slapin | Marex: looking at sniffed data with tail -f is so much fun! |
| 01:07.41 | rz2k | omg |
| 01:07.44 | rz2k | where did you find it in Russia |
| 01:09.28 | rz2k | I wanted to ship myself some HP-Agilents, but shipping is total crap if weight of the package is more than 10KG |
| 01:11.49 | slapin | rz2k: it was shipped from US, then sold here for 25000RUR, then added accessories, and then it was sold to me for 33000RUR. or something. |
| 01:12.12 | rz2k | holy shit |
| 01:12.16 | Marex | how much is RUR ~ USD ratio ? |
| 01:12.23 | rz2k | 30rur=1usd |
| 01:12.24 | slapin | remembers when he accidentally ordered a trunk full of keyboards from Australia |
| 01:12.43 | slapin | 30 rur is very rough approximation |
| 01:13.00 | rz2k | it works :p |
| 01:13.04 | slapin | actually something like 33-1 or something |
| 01:14.04 | slapin | well, if you care, I still have these keyboards and can sell them for $20... |
| 01:14.17 | rz2k | lol |
| 01:14.22 | slapin | I have about 50 of them left |
| 01:14.41 | rz2k | sell them on some hardware forum full of mechanic keyboards lovers |
| 01:15.08 | slapin | shipment cost was so big customs were very annoyed by my package |
| 01:15.56 | slapin | they seen the price $14 for the lot, and shipment of $1000+ something (but less than $2000) |
| 01:16.33 | slapin | I was going to customs office for 3 weeks to settle things |
| 01:17.26 | slapin | as the result I paid no fees, but got a lot of frustration and trouble ecplaining why I need these for personal purposes... :) |
| 01:17.39 | slapin | s/ecplaining/explaining/ |
| 01:18.28 | slapin | then checks shipping costs of every package he orders |
| 01:22.17 | slapin | this LA is very cool with everything except for handling files. it is SLOW! Saving 55MB trace file to internal hard drive is so slow, can take half an hour approximately |
| 01:26.10 | slapin | needs to configure stateful analyser, or else I will analyse data for ages |
| 01:30.01 | Marex | slapin: do you plan to go to ELC ? |
| 01:30.04 | Marex | (the one in SF) |
| 01:30.25 | slapin | I still have no passport |
| 01:30.47 | slapin | and I think I will have troubles with US visa |
| 01:33.00 | slapin | and I am attached to duties at the moment |
| 01:35.37 | slapin | needs some sleep, but these files are still saving :( and fans are too loud to leave the damn thing for the night... |
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| 01:37.36 | Marex | slapin: pull the plug :) |
| 01:37.58 | slapin | Marex: and waste last 4 hours of work :( |
| 01:38.30 | Marex | slapin: yes please |
| 01:38.39 | Marex | I _do_ feel like shit :/ |
| 01:38.57 | Marex | I've been spending last few days digging in primitive recursive functions etc. |
| 01:39.33 | Marex | where the fuck is my "student life" ... I have none, I either hack on u-boot, hack on u-boot for university project or study this shit |
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| 01:42.53 | slapin | Marex: MUHAHAHA!!!!!11 Last 2 weeks at work I was digging in 5 python scripts og 200 lines each, which had all sorts of stupid bugs from memleaks to algorithmic errors. I had to stay for a night even, for two days. And on friday I was able to talk manager into rewriting, when target is Monday, and finished it in 2 hours. Tests passed. Bingo! |
| 01:44.05 | slapin | and who will return me these 2 weeks, for which I could drink vodka and fondle tits of various sizes? |
| 01:44.36 | rz2k | lol |
| 01:52.16 | rz2k | Marex: go to your university and say everything you have on it. when I did that I got the 'half-time job' in the lab the second day. now I'm writing challenges for younger guys. we've moved from 8051 and some local clones from that era to ARM and MSP430. |
| 01:52.55 | rz2k | only if this job was payed not $150 :/ |
| 01:52.56 | slapin | rz2k: local clones?! |
| 01:53.53 | rz2k | how do you like creating program for some USSR microcontroller that was designed in ~75 in 2012? |
| 01:54.30 | Sv | sounds awesome |
| 01:54.42 | rz2k | lol |
| 01:54.46 | slapin | rz2k: which microcontroller? 8051 on discrete logic? |
| 01:56.36 | rz2k | No, USSR's clones of MCUs of that era. I dont clearly remember, but if you were in 90s as a computer guy, you saw that in Electronica school computers, Mikrosha and various other applications. |
| 01:56.47 | Marex | slapin: it's much worse over here |
| 01:57.08 | Marex | rz2k: I've been teaching some classes already, but it's poorly paid (I didn't do it for money) ... now I focus on my DENX job |
| 01:57.19 | slapin | rz2k: 8080 clone? |
| 01:57.22 | Marex | rz2k: DENX is awesome place to work |
| 01:58.21 | rz2k | slapin: yeah, probably. I didnt dig it too much because all documentation was clearly wrote by a guy who didnt want to teach somebody something meaningful. |
| 02:00.20 | rz2k | Sv: that sounds awesome if you know what to do and you are mature enough to understand it. If you are fresh meat from the street that wants to know how computers work, this will be the pain of searching for documentation and trying to understand wtf is going on. |
| 02:00.55 | rz2k | by mature I mean computer science mature :p |
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| 02:01.38 | slapin | rz2k: this is a way to go. If you really want to know that, it is better to either learn it yourself or go to MIT or other appropriate institution. |
| 02:01.48 | Sv | true |
| 02:02.00 | rz2k | this is a way to go for 1 guy out of 100 |
| 02:02.04 | Sv | yeah |
| 02:02.29 | slapin | or really you don't want it that badly |
| 02:02.35 | slapin | so you don't |
| 02:04.54 | Marex | MIT would be cool |
| 02:04.59 | Marex | but it's in the US |
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| 02:52.42 | Turl | Marex: primitive recursive functions, yay |
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| 12:27.25 | techn | libv: this disp code is terrible.. I started to go trough enums |
| 12:28.06 | techn | it seems that you cant trust enum values since they are mapped wrong or not mapped at all |
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| 14:41.01 | libv | techn: turning the typedefs into real enums also reveals some uses of those enums |
| 14:41.10 | libv | techn: and then suddenly, other uses pop up |
| 14:41.35 | libv | techn: and after 10-15 minutes, suddenly things are a lot saner all over the tree |
| 14:41.52 | libv | at least this is my experience with the two enums that i touched already |
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| 15:34.56 | libv | techn: proper typing is a real mess all over the place, whenever i touched code, i,j became ints, functions which only returned 0 became voids, etc |
| 15:35.24 | libv | techn: this code really is written by people who have no serious experience in C |
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| 15:56.11 | Curtman | Hello.. I'm doing some hacking on my Mele A3700. I don't see much related to it on the web so far. It seems very similar to the A1000. Who maintains https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-boards and how can I contribute a mele_a3700.fex? |
| 16:00.13 | Curtman | I pulled it from my device with adb, and copied /dev/block/nanda to an image. It's the script.bin run through bin2fex. http://pastebin.com/gRfyu1fW |
| 16:00.48 | libv | Curtman: you'll have to create a dram.c for uboot |
| 16:01.08 | libv | Curtman: for this, you need this fex, but as usual some important data is missing from it |
| 16:01.48 | libv | Curtman: i trust that you already have the uart wired up? |
| 16:03.16 | Curtman | Ok. I'm very new to these devices. I mostly played with Realtek boxes like the OPlay before. Yeah I have UART. I tried USB device, but its not working. I got adb through IP:5555 and launched a shell. I wasn't able to interrupt U-Boot with my uart console for some reason. |
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| 16:10.00 | libv | Curtman: one of my first mistakes was to use a standard usb to serial adapter |
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| 16:10.20 | libv | Curtman: i ended up having to order a special usb to ttl uart device |
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| 16:11.15 | libv | hno: is there not enough known about the memory controller to be able to gather the unknown bits in the fex from a10 register space? |
| 16:12.26 | libv | Curtman: what ram chips are on the board, and how many? |
| 16:13.32 | libv | Curtman: hno is the main sunxi uboot man, he can quickly provide an educated guess for the missing dram parameters |
| 16:14.51 | libv | Curtman: starting a wiki page on your device, and including some high resolution board pictures is always helpful too |
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| 16:21.39 | Curtman | There's 4. Hynix H5TQ2G83CFA |
| 16:27.29 | Curtman | Here's what dmesg looks like on its factory firmware.. http://pastebin.com/SX5SaG83 |
| 16:27.45 | Curtman | I'm working on pictures of the board. :) |
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| 16:32.16 | SouL_ | Hi |
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| 16:55.35 | Curtman | How's that? Top: http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/5963/melea3700pcbtop.jpg Bottom: http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8748/melea3700pcbbottom.jpg |
| 16:56.51 | libv | Curtman: looks like broken plastic near the antenna connector |
| 16:57.29 | libv | Curtman: are you sure you are not getting anything useful out of the uart? |
| 16:57.55 | libv | Curtman: also, stick this in a wiki page on linux-sunxi.org |
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| 16:59.21 | Curtman | It had melted plastic sticking the antenna on to the connector, I scraped enough away to free it but not all I guess. |
| 16:59.38 | Curtman | I've never edited a wiki before. I'll give it a try. |
| 17:00.06 | libv | Curtman: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting |
| 17:00.25 | Curtman | Thanks |
| 17:00.31 | libv | it is pretty straightforward, and only mildly more work than just writing plain text :) |
| 17:02.41 | Curtman | I get useful data out of the uart. I see u-boot, but the press any key countdown, pressing keys doesnt interrupt it. I get no shell once its booted though. It's possible this ttl converter isn't working. Or rx on the board isn't enabled somehow. |
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| 17:07.02 | rz2k | I had same on my old a10 tablet, standard u-boot didnt respond to anything |
| 17:07.07 | rz2k | mmc one did. |
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| 17:22.59 | Curtman | libv, I must be doing something wrong. I go to http://linux-sunxi.org/Category:A10_HTPC click the edit tab, and how do I create a Mele A3700 category? Or where should I add it if not there? |
| 17:23.24 | SouL_ | Hello. |
| 17:23.49 | SouL_ | I'm here because the guys from #mer |
| 17:23.57 | SouL_ | I own a Hyundai A7 tablet |
| 17:24.12 | SouL_ | The specifications: http://pastebin.com/z4BM6yU7 |
| 17:24.28 | SouL_ | They said me that I have to writte a Kernel or something if I want to install Mer in it |
| 17:25.03 | SouL_ | I'm not a programmer or something related of computing |
| 17:25.22 | SouL_ | Any understand me? I'm a bit lost |
| 17:28.47 | libv | Curtman: http://linux-sunxi.org/Mele_A3700 |
| 17:29.37 | libv | Curtman: i just went to the http://linux-sunxi.org/Mele_A1000 page by navigating the frontpage, then edited the url, and the wiki then offers the possibility to create a new page |
| 17:29.57 | libv | the category thing will be solved later |
| 17:30.09 | mnemoc | as they all use the same PCB it might be good to keep all models in the same page |
| 17:30.29 | libv | this is a different pcb, although similar |
| 17:30.58 | libv | Curtman: you add a [[Category:A10 HTPC]] tag into the page and it will automatically appear there |
| 17:31.49 | libv | SouL_: get uart, get script.bin, add code to uboot, then run through first steps |
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| 17:32.30 | libv | mnemoc: the different mele versions do deserve separate entries in the categories |
| 17:32.33 | SouL_ | libv: What? Do you know if there's a guide for that? I'm a simple user :S |
| 17:33.07 | libv | SouL_: open up the device, attach a ttl uart to usb device so you can get a serial console |
| 17:33.37 | libv | because working without serial is working blind and deaf |
| 17:34.08 | mnemoc | libv: true |
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| 17:34.27 | SouL_ | libv: Thank you but I don't know what is a ttl uart and how to attach it |
| 17:34.38 | mnemoc | libv: redirect pages can be categorized too ;-) |
| 17:35.02 | libv | makes sense :) |
| 17:39.13 | Curtman | libv, Awesome, thanks. |
| 17:39.36 | libv | SouL_: there is sadly no magic incantations that we can give you that will solve all your problems in a few minutes. |
| 17:39.50 | libv | someone with the hw will need to go seriously poke at it |
| 17:40.09 | libv | there is no way around it that will generate dependable results |
| 17:41.01 | SouL_ | I'm not |
| 17:41.22 | SouL_ | Hey, I'm saying that I'm not a computer programmer and I don't know what you are saying |
| 17:41.45 | SouL_ | But I can follow steps from a guide or something |
| 17:41.48 | SouL_ | I don't know what is ttl |
| 17:41.55 | SouL_ | what is uboot |
| 17:42.03 | SouL_ | and etc |
| 17:42.17 | SouL_ | It's not necessary in a few minutes |
| 17:42.22 | cheng | try google around for all the terms.. |
| 17:42.34 | SouL_ | OK |
| 17:42.40 | libv | ? |
| 17:42.57 | SouL_ | ttl = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_live ? |
| 17:43.03 | libv | yegidd. |
| 17:43.11 | libv | SouL_: please, no more. |
| 17:43.24 | SouL_ | What? |
| 17:43.28 | libv | SouL_: get an already supported device. |
| 17:43.38 | cheng | ttl - 5v uart use by standard processor/mcu, usually require a max232 chip to convert it to RS232(serial port) |
| 17:46.41 | libv | SouL_: is this device white btw? |
| 17:47.20 | SouL_ | libv: www.focalprice.com/CE0031W/HYUNDAI_A7_7_Capacitive_Android_40_Tablet_with_3G_WiFi_White.html |
| 17:47.48 | libv | SouL_: if so, i have tracked a few on ebay before, when one is available cheaply i might grab one at one point or another, but before someone with a problem-solving mentality and the hw comes by, this device will not get support automagically |
| 17:48.05 | libv | yes, i have seen these offered secondhand in .de before |
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| 17:50.23 | SouL_ | Ok, so at the moment I can't replace Android, isn't it? |
| 17:52.31 | libv | as far as i can tell from here, indeed. |
| 17:55.17 | SouL_ | I can help in any way or is impossible to achieve? |
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| 18:24.34 | vgrade | SouL_: http://s1096.beta.photobucket.com/user/nekoprime/media/Hyundai%20A7HD/A7HD-AllWinner-A10-processor_1024.jpg.html?sort=3&o=22 the 4 pads at the bottom left look promissing, also there are other pics here showing chip versions which may help |
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| 18:32.33 | vgrade | SouL_: http://linux-sunxi.org/Hyundai_A7HD |
| 18:35.12 | libv | vgrade: this is not the same device |
| 18:35.37 | libv | it at least has more memory and a different display |
| 18:41.50 | bsdfox | SouL_, if you can find the uart pins you can help |
| 18:42.18 | bsdfox | reasonable chance it's in that pic vgrade posted |
| 18:42.40 | vgrade | libv: ah ok |
| 18:43.20 | libv | bsdfox: _different_ hw. |
| 18:43.43 | bsdfox | as in not A10? |
| 18:43.52 | libv | bsdfox: check the second link that vgrade posted |
| 18:44.20 | libv | bsdfox: _i_ threw that wiki page together, and iirc slapin provided the picture with the uart |
| 18:44.37 | libv | bsdfox: as in different board. |
| 18:45.19 | bsdfox | libv, gotta start somewhere.. uart is normally broken out so easy to find |
| 18:45.36 | libv | bsdfox: please handhold SouL_ through every single step then |
| 18:45.54 | bsdfox | loses interest |
| 18:46.05 | libv | bsdfox: if only you had done so earlier. |
| 18:51.27 | libv | vgrade: i have the post-fosdem lima running on sunxi kernel and linaro userspace |
| 18:52.00 | libv | vgrade: i had spent a day autotooling it, but there are simply too many disadvantages with autotools in the current lima usecase |
| 18:52.19 | vgrade | X11 or framebuffer |
| 18:52.38 | libv | lima egl tests use pbuffer |
| 18:52.45 | libv | so that no windowing system is involved |
| 18:53.02 | libv | and so that REing is not needlessly encumbered |
| 18:53.36 | libv | so they should work under both framebuffer and X11, but they will not show anything on screen on their own |
| 18:53.55 | libv | the actual lima versions of those tests dump the result straight to /dev/fb0 |
| 18:54.21 | libv | vgrade: remember, this is REing groundwork and not a driver yet |
| 18:54.42 | vgrade | ok |
| 18:54.56 | vgrade | not been following closely |
| 18:55.37 | libv | linuxtag was the last big advancement, but that ran on r2p1 and r2p0 |
| 18:55.44 | libv | kernelside that |
| 18:55.47 | libv | that is :) |
| 18:56.18 | libv | now it also runs on our r3p0 kernel driver, and has a workaround for broken threading on our kernel |
| 18:59.15 | vgrade | are you still on #lima |
| 18:59.38 | libv | of course :) |
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| 20:35.53 | MMlosh | Hi! Anyone knows what happened to rhombus-tech.net? (sry if I'm the 1000th who asks) |
| 20:38.26 | specing | dunno |
| 20:40.45 | libv | MMlosh: dns expired |
| 20:41.14 | MMlosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.14 | MMlosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.14 | MMlosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.14 | MMlosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.17 | MMlosh | ah indeed |
| 20:42.41 | xxiao | must be too busy on eoma |
| 20:43.13 | MMlosh | I wonder how many people remember that they have a preorder in there.... |
| 20:43.43 | MMlosh | *still remember |
| 20:45.19 | xxiao | kick-starter it...free startup money :) |
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| 21:12.12 | Curtman | libv, Yay! my ttl converter is working. I had hardware flow control enabled in minicom. |
| 21:14.06 | Curtman | I made a wiki page. It doesn't show up unless I click on the A10 HTPC category though. http://linux-sunxi.org/Mele_A3700 |
| 21:16.38 | libv | Curtman: check the mele_a1000 page |
| 21:17.50 | libv | ah, you did :) |
| 21:21.33 | libv | strange |
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| 21:53.30 | mnemoc | wonders why no one has made a dual/quad ethernet usb dongle |
| 21:53.54 | mnemoc | all are single port |
| 21:53.59 | RaYmAn | too low performance? I guess it would make sense with USB 3.0 |
| 21:54.48 | mnemoc | usb2 > 4x100Mbps... |
| 21:55.06 | techn | mnemoc: I think there is routers with usb interface |
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| 21:55.59 | mnemoc | sure, usually to connect a 3g dongle or storage |
| 21:56.14 | techn | I had one with usb tethering |
| 21:57.21 | mnemoc | but I'm talking about adding a 2+ ethernet ports to a device |
| 21:57.29 | mnemoc | there are 4xNIC PCI cards |
| 21:58.18 | techn | ftp://ftp.a-link.com/old/rr44/3c07T%20RoadRunner%2040B-44B.pdf |
| 21:58.28 | techn | that 44b model |
| 21:59.18 | mnemoc | but that's a dedicated router |
| 21:59.49 | mnemoc | the 4xNIC PCI cards are to turn normal computers into routers |
| 22:01.37 | mnemoc | beauties like http://routerboard.com/ING44V |
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| 22:12.55 | Turl | mnemoc: expecting 480Mb/s on USB is a bit unrealistic I guess |
| 22:14.13 | Turl | mnemoc: in my experience with USB storage, half that would be a more realistic expectation |
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| 22:15.57 | mnemoc | Turl: having an "uplink" < 20Mbps the usb bandwidth is not the limiting part |
| 22:18.13 | mnemoc | but it's pretty annoying to need an extra device (switch/router) ... specially if it needs an extra crappy PSU |
| 22:19.52 | mnemoc | usb/hub + 2 usb/nic works fine... but it's a mess |
| 22:20.21 | mnemoc | + rj45 cross-over adapters! |
| 22:20.24 | mnemoc | yuck |
| 22:20.42 | Turl | mnemoc: why even bother when you can buy a decent linux-able GbE router for 40$ |
| 22:21.57 | mnemoc | space and portability |
| 22:22.28 | Turl | the 40$ router will beat whatever homemade solution you can come up with on both areas |
| 22:22.30 | mnemoc | and they need their own PSU |
| 22:22.52 | mnemoc | Turl: when in a fixed location, sure |
| 22:23.12 | Turl | if you're on the go, what do you need a router for? :) |
| 22:23.25 | mnemoc | portable "lab" ;-) |
| 22:23.42 | Turl | you can make a wifi ap/adhoc network |
| 22:23.55 | mnemoc | laptop + couple of toys |
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| 22:28.58 | Turl | mnemoc: https://dx.com/s/ethernet+expresscard |
| 22:30.19 | mnemoc | 1 port.... and expresscard... I don't have such thing :) |
| 22:30.44 | Turl | all modern-ish laptops have expresscard o.O |
| 22:31.20 | mnemoc | the most decent i've found are 4xRJ45 switches using 5V/USB for power |
| 22:31.36 | mnemoc | Turl: maybe 14" beasts |
| 22:31.41 | mnemoc | >14" |
| 22:32.47 | Turl | >=14" for sure |
| 22:33.31 | mnemoc | laptop for me are in the 11-13" range... after that they are desktop computers with built-in UPS ;-) |
| 22:34.18 | Turl | anything <14" are unusable toys for me :< |
| 22:35.01 | Turl | I cannot comfortably fit both hands over the keyboard |
| 22:35.15 | t0dbld1 | than you haven't tried the right ones |
| 22:35.25 | t0dbld1 | :-) |
| 22:35.26 | Turl | and the screen is too small, I cannot do any useful work on it :< |
| 22:35.39 | t0dbld1 | than resolution was to poor |
| 22:37.14 | t0dbld1 | a full size keyboard is 10 7/8 " with out numbpad |
| 22:37.21 | Turl | not being able to fit more than 1 window while still maintaining readability without having to stick my face to 10cm of the screen is a deal breaker |
| 22:37.57 | Turl | no numpad itself is a deal breaker :< |
| 22:38.14 | t0dbld1 | I agree that i like having numbpad |
| 22:38.40 | t0dbld1 | how ever was jsut proving the error in your falicy about hands cant fit on keyboard of a smaller laptop |
| 22:38.41 | Turl | I end up hitting the table when I need to type numbers without one :P |
| 22:38.53 | mnemoc | at home you can plug a larger display and real keyboard to the laptop |
| 22:39.16 | Turl | mnemoc: what's the point then? :P |
| 22:39.52 | Turl | t0dbld1: my full kbrd with full size keys is 16" screen size |
| 22:39.55 | mnemoc | that you can suspend, unplug and take the laptop with you |
| 22:40.10 | mnemoc | 16" isn't portable |
| 22:40.30 | Turl | it's 'carryable' :) |
| 22:40.35 | mnemoc | 24" + 11-13" beats 16" 100x times |
| 22:41.15 | Turl | 11-13 might be good on an usecase similar to a tablet, or a bit more |
| 22:41.24 | Turl | ie, carry anywhere, read email, do light work |
| 22:41.55 | Turl | 16" is more of a "I need to go to X place and do Y, and I need a computer to do it" |
| 22:42.07 | mnemoc | good 11-13 with good keyboards let you program full speed without issues |
| 22:42.36 | mnemoc | note I'm not talking about "netbooks" with bending keyboards |
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| 22:42.45 | t0dbld1 | Turl: screen size is irelevant |
| 22:42.49 | t0dbld1 | to the size of the keyboard |
| 22:43.07 | t0dbld1 | a full size keyboard is 10 7/8" |
| 22:43.13 | t0dbld1 | with out numbpad |
| 22:43.36 | Turl | a full size keyboard without a numpad is not a full size keyboard :) |
| 22:43.49 | t0dbld1 | yes it is |
| 22:43.56 | mnemoc | numpads are for accountants :p |
| 22:44.07 | t0dbld1 | nah i like them i prefer them to be honest |
| 22:44.32 | t0dbld1 | but has nothing to do with his hands fitting on keys as if they are smalle |
| 22:44.39 | t0dbld1 | ssmaller ** |
| 22:44.41 | t0dbld1 | lol |
| 22:44.44 | mnemoc | :) |
| 22:44.45 | t0dbld1 | fail |
| 22:44.57 | t0dbld1 | hangs his head in shame |
| 22:45.08 | t0dbld1 | and has a fullkeyboiard |
| 22:45.25 | mnemoc | good night t0dbld1 ;-) |
| 22:45.51 | t0dbld1 | haha |
| 22:45.54 | t0dbld1 | wish i could goto bed |
| 22:46.13 | t0dbld1 | be at work for another 9 hours still |
| 22:46.15 | Turl | my modem lost sync :< meh |
| 22:46.24 | Turl | mnemoc: nah, I use a lot of numbers on code :) |
| 22:46.48 | Turl | and passwords with numbers |
| 22:46.51 | Turl | and IP addresses |
| 22:47.07 | Turl | and PINs |
| 22:47.08 | mnemoc | Turl: but you are claiming the keyboard of a 16" is a good keyboard, and that is not true |
| 22:47.28 | mnemoc | it can be full + numpad |
| 22:47.39 | Turl | mnemoc: the keyboard of a 16" has the same size as a desktop one |
| 22:47.53 | mnemoc | but they have the same crappy feedback of most laptops, and irradiate heat |
| 22:48.06 | mnemoc | http://www.daskeyboard.com/ <--- good keyboard |
| 22:48.16 | Turl | if your keyboard irradiates heat you'd better look for a new laptop :) |
| 22:48.24 | mnemoc | mine doesn't |
| 22:48.55 | Turl | mine doesn't either |
| 22:48.56 | mnemoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.29 | Turl | my battery lasts half an hour (need to replace it.. if only they sold spare ones >.<) but it's irrelevant to the case :) |
| 22:49.36 | mnemoc | =) |
| 22:49.52 | mnemoc | because your device is a 16" desktop with built-in ups |
| 22:49.56 | mnemoc | not a laptop |
| 22:51.23 | mnemoc | which is a fail as desktop and fail as portable ;-) |
| 22:52.18 | Turl | but I can take it when I travel and work on all the things, no compromises :) |
| 22:53.05 | mnemoc | =) |
| 22:54.46 | Turl | mnemoc: with a 11-13 I'd end up blind and with CTS :P |
| 22:55.23 | mnemoc | cleans hes glasses |
| 22:55.28 | mnemoc | his* |
| 22:56.04 | slapin | hi, all! |
| 22:56.10 | slapin | hno: are you here? |
| 22:56.18 | t0dbld1 | lol a laptop is always a compramise |
| 22:56.25 | Turl | should visit his ophthalmologist one of these days |
| 22:56.29 | t0dbld1 | i cant believe you said that Turl |
| 22:57.08 | t0dbld1 | you jsut built your self a new beast desktop .. lol find a laptop on the market that competes with it |
| 22:57.17 | Turl | t0dbld1: well, of course compared to our desktop PCs it's a compromise :) but other than the raw power, there's no other compromise imo |
| 22:58.01 | t0dbld1 | battery time and portability > power in laptop |
| 22:58.17 | mnemoc | cheaper to rent a server on a DC for that raw power than buying your own at home |
| 22:58.22 | t0dbld1 | as some one that loves ssh as much as you do i thought wed agree on that |
| 23:13.47 | slapin | hno: LA dumps of NAND transfers (dam*.txt - original NAND u-boot and kernel). |
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