| 00:02.30 | Turl | ZaEarl: it lasted two major upgrades, that's pretty much the standard on the nexus world |
| 00:04.06 | ZaEarl | 4.2 is a minor upgrade. I suspect they just haven't had time to port it yet, but will. |
| 00:04.21 | ZaEarl | at least that's my hope |
| 00:18.06 | Turl | I doubt that's the case |
| 00:18.23 | Turl | there will surely be community ports anyway, so I wouldn't worry much |
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| 00:26.23 | slapin | hno: can't find where bug really is |
| 00:28.21 | slapin | hno: pushed, have to go to sleep now |
| 00:28.28 | slapin | gn, all! |
| 00:34.37 | cheng | and i have just wake up.. |
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| 07:56.30 | vgrade_ | morn |
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| 08:17.15 | andoma | did someone play around with any of the rk3066 devices yet? |
| 08:43.55 | focus_well | Ordered two cubies http://www.indiegogo.com/cubieboard |
| 08:44.11 | focus_well | less than a day left before pre-order expires |
| 08:44.16 | focus_well | :-) |
| 08:45.46 | focus_well | can't wait to fit ssd and do a kexec to transfer boot from SD to SSD and set up webserver + ftp server |
| 08:46.44 | focus_well | got me a BT line with 60mbit download speed and 16mbit upload speed - so it should work like a 'normal' webserver for two or three people use it at same time |
| 08:47.08 | focus_well | how tech changes with time! |
| 08:47.22 | focus_well | all for about 10W guessing. |
| 08:48.59 | cheng | what's the reason of using SSD rather than internal NAND? for speed? |
| 08:50.51 | specing | focus_well: God kills a kitten every time one sets up a FTP server... http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
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| 08:57.21 | AndChat138129 | ixm6 is officially released with doc available on freescale site. |
| 09:02.43 | AndChat138129 | imx6 Linux ref manual points to x org support. Just need to find a cheap board. |
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| 09:05.15 | focus_well | cheng: to allow large amount of content for web server and ftp |
| 09:06.22 | focus_well | specing: the ftp is for internal cameras that transfer data by ftp - but I get your point! |
| 09:12.25 | slapin | hi, all! |
| 09:13.06 | slapin | how can I order cubieboard so to add it to previous batch? I have not registered with indiegogo :( |
| 09:15.03 | slapin | hno: ping |
| 09:15.25 | slapin | hno: any news? |
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| 09:20.29 | oliv3r | GOOOOOOd morning |
| 09:27.23 | slapin | oliv3r: not so good, NAND still do weird things, and it is heavily raining |
| 09:27.40 | focus_well | slapin: I ordered two boards by waiting for 2 hours and placing 2 separate orders on different emails. You don't need to register - click on order and enter the card, email and address details. I think any excess you pay on one order is treated as a donation. That is why I placed 2 separate orders instead of one big order. |
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| 09:28.22 | rm | I don't think you even need separate E-Mails |
| 09:28.28 | slapin | focus_well: so much trouble :( |
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| 09:30.46 | oliv3r | slapin: any progress IS progress. it's jus treally cold here, but dry :S |
| 09:30.52 | oliv3r | can we order a1000g's allready? :) |
| 09:31.47 | oliv3r | and the reason why I came here, I added descrptions to A10/registers but some of them, I have really no clue what it means or made an educated guess. could some of you take a brief look and ideally identify the ?'s and fill in the blanks? |
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| 09:42.00 | hno | slapin, not really. Added randomizer code but still only get random data back. Need to trace Allwinner code a bit more to verify. |
| 09:44.19 | slapin | will I be able to solder NAND to cubieboard2? |
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| 09:47.41 | focus_well | AndChat138129: do you have links to docs and linux ref manuals? Its not obvious from their main page any such support exists. |
| 09:48.25 | oliv3r | focus_well: i think he left the room at 09:10:09 :) |
| 09:48.36 | oliv3r | but i would be supprised if their gpu blob is open |
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| 09:50.09 | mnemoc | slapin: what do you mean by cubieboard2? afaik the "next" rev will be mostly the same but with more pins, battery for the rtc, LiPo connector, and some minor changes to be able to have i2s |
| 09:50.12 | slapin | specing, focus_well: ftp is nice old protocol, why kill it? |
| 09:50.36 | oliv3r | i2c? TWI i guess? |
| 09:50.46 | oliv3r | FTP still today has its purpose |
| 09:50.48 | slapin | mnemoc: when it will be available? |
| 09:50.56 | mnemoc | slapin: not soon |
| 09:51.19 | slapin | mnemoc: any ideas on time frame? |
| 09:51.32 | mnemoc | nope |
| 09:52.36 | slapin | too bad, I have big hopes for this LiPo battery charger... is charger inside axp209 or external one? |
| 09:52.52 | mnemoc | slapin: but hipboi said it will be backward compatible shield-wise |
| 09:53.01 | mnemoc | yes, the axp209 does the charging |
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| 09:55.07 | mnemoc | slapin: a little board lipo connector, 5V/usb output and a flexible range in the dc-in would be nice ... and usable for most arm devkits |
| 09:55.50 | slapin | mnemoc: is it only for LiPo, or plain old lithium batteries will do? |
| 09:56.24 | slapin | mnemoc: this thing is called power bank and is available at dx, ebay and various other places, like aliexpress... |
| 09:57.02 | mnemoc | http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/AXP/AXP202%20Datasheet_v1.0_en.pdf |
| 09:57.23 | mnemoc | axp202 seems to be equivalent to the axp209, but with english datasheet |
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| 09:57.57 | mnemoc | seems to be capable of old lithium batteries too |
| 09:58.42 | slapin | mnemoc: which one is capable - 202 or 209? |
| 09:58.59 | mnemoc | if one, i think both |
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| 09:59.21 | mnemoc | iirc the axp209 is an axp202 "optimized" for sunxi socs |
| 09:59.34 | mnemoc | but equivalent |
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| 09:59.54 | slapin | cool |
| 10:01.36 | slapin | which chip is always not soldered on sticks, but always have place on PCBs? http://ossfans.org/mk802_1G/20121114_001.jpg (rightmost near USB connector) |
| 10:03.18 | mnemoc | yes, that's the axp209 |
| 10:03.36 | mnemoc | the first mk802 didn't come with one... and gets HOT |
| 10:04.00 | mnemoc | the only other device I know without axp209 is the a13-olinuxino-micro |
| 10:05.13 | mnemoc | the mk802 also skipped protections on the hdmi side |
| 10:05.55 | mnemoc | a "power bank" using 18650 batteries would be nice :) |
| 10:06.18 | mnemoc | oh, there are |
| 10:06.35 | slapin | mnemoc: not, that's not AXP209 - it is soldered on this device |
| 10:07.15 | mnemoc | http://ossfans.org/mk802_1G/20121031_005.jpg <---- i can read axp209 there |
| 10:07.22 | slapin | mnemoc: I mean 6-legged bug on the right |
| 10:07.50 | slapin | mnemoc: AXP209 is on all new sticks I get - bith 512MB and 1GB variants. |
| 10:08.54 | slapin | mnemoc: I have a few sticks without it, but it is totally different PCB design (with normal nice soldering of wifi module, unlike this nightmare |
| 10:09.14 | slapin | mnemoc: not, it is 8-legged bug, sorry |
| 10:09.44 | slapin | mnemoc: it has even silk pattern for package placement |
| 10:10.19 | mnemoc | no clue |
| 10:10.41 | slapin | hno: |
| 10:12.47 | mnemoc | slapin: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Build-your-own-Mobile-Power-Bank-allows-1-4x-18650-batteries-dual-USB-output-/251178736191 .... can these things be used while charging without harming the batteries? |
| 10:13.38 | slapin | what a waste, device does have lithium charger, but it was not soldered, that's why I have to solder wires under QFN package :( lazy people :( |
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| 10:14.21 | slapin | mnemoc: people say they can be used online, mine is still somewhere on the road (for 2 monthe already). |
| 10:20.54 | mnemoc | slapin: btw, mele with 1G already on hipboi's shop. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Mele-A1000-TV-box-debug-board-pack/511685_566678042.html |
| 10:21.23 | mnemoc | or it was oliv3r who was waiting for it? |
| 10:24.00 | oliv3r | that's a1000 not g? i know there's the a2000g with 8gb flash and 1GiB ram (or so we assume :p) image looks like the a1000 with sata though |
| 10:24.17 | oliv3r | i allready ordered, just looking for the 'paypal' option now (since that is my only option at this moment) |
| 10:24.20 | mnemoc | err |
| 10:24.24 | mnemoc | wrong url |
| 10:24.33 | mnemoc | no, right url |
| 10:24.44 | mnemoc | recycled product id :| |
| 10:25.02 | oliv3r | ah, annoying |
| 10:25.17 | oliv3r | bah! i can't pay with paypal on aliexpress? |
| 10:25.18 | mnemoc | aliexpress uses moneybooker, not paypal |
| 10:25.28 | mnemoc | it's a british thing |
| 10:25.34 | oliv3r | i don't have moneybooker :S |
| 10:25.44 | oliv3r | bah, now i can't pay :( |
| 10:26.03 | mnemoc | you can bind european bank accounts to moneybookers too |
| 10:27.02 | oliv3r | ah, but now it gets interesting |
| 10:27.07 | oliv3r | i want to use my american bank account :) |
| 10:27.18 | mnemoc | it should be fine |
| 10:28.03 | oliv3r | i'll find a way to use a creditcard |
| 10:28.11 | oliv3r | i'm sure tom will send it to the proper address |
| 10:28.23 | mnemoc | one thing I like of moneybookers is that they don't make you have one account per country |
| 10:28.58 | mnemoc | oliv3r: mail him. you probably can do it via paypal behind aliexpress' back |
| 10:30.13 | mnemoc | he unlocked paypal on the cubieboard campaign this morning, so he can receive payments there again |
| 10:31.07 | slapin | checked his funds and is very sad.... |
| 10:31.21 | mnemoc | weee... my wife's jiayu g3 finally shipped |
| 10:32.00 | slapin | wasted $2000 for toys and is heavily out of budget |
| 10:32.10 | mnemoc | uh |
| 10:32.19 | mnemoc | that's kind of excesive... |
| 10:32.37 | slapin | needs to stop himself somehow |
| 10:32.49 | mnemoc | thank you |
| 10:33.21 | mnemoc | with the chromebook, the cubie and my wife's new phone I thought I was out of control |
| 10:33.33 | mnemoc | but you are worse |
| 10:33.34 | mnemoc | :) |
| 10:34.13 | slapin | got so many sticks and tables because of this Allwinner hystery :( |
| 10:35.20 | oliv3r | downside of moneybookers is, (besides yet a nother company that has your banking stuff) it isn't as widly accepted :S |
| 10:35.20 | slapin | was not so heavily into hardware for several years, and that was sort of filling that gap... |
| 10:35.25 | oliv3r | i will e-mail him! |
| 10:36.43 | slapin | hates QFN packages... |
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| 10:37.01 | slapin | hates QFN packages very, very much... |
| 10:38.12 | oliv3r | oh hipboi! I just e-mailed you :) |
| 10:38.19 | oliv3r | i want to give you money :p |
| 10:38.28 | hipboi | :O |
| 10:38.48 | oliv3r | you don't want my money? |
| 10:42.19 | hipboi | you can pay via aliexpress |
| 10:42.32 | hipboi | it's safe |
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| 10:48.21 | slapin | too bad aliexpress doesn't accept paypal |
| 10:49.12 | hipboi | alibaba is a competitor of ebay |
| 10:49.36 | hipboi | they won't support paypal forever |
| 10:49.46 | slapin | hipboi: do you know what is not soldered chip (silk placement marker) on the far right http://ossfans.org/mk802_1G/20121114_001.jpg |
| 10:50.11 | slapin | ? |
| 10:50.59 | hipboi | mk802? |
| 10:51.24 | slapin | hipboi: probably some clone of it |
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| 10:52.23 | hipboi | not sure |
| 10:52.29 | hipboi | maybe hno knows |
| 10:52.42 | slapin | hipboi: some 8-legged thing is not soldered, so I wonder what is it |
| 10:53.34 | slapin | hno: |
| 10:56.12 | hipboi | is there a headphone on the pcb? |
| 11:01.55 | slapin | hipboi: no |
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| 11:20.57 | oliv3r | hipboi: but i don't have any of the payment options aliexpress has, i only have paypal :) |
| 11:23.29 | oliv3r | i guess i could get google checkout |
| 11:23.49 | oliv3r | but that also is no option |
| 11:23.50 | mnemoc | moneybookers doesn't like your us bank account? |
| 11:24.05 | oliv3r | around newyeares, I do have a CC again though |
| 11:24.12 | oliv3r | mnemoc: but what if I don't like moneybookers! |
| 11:24.33 | mnemoc | things happen :p |
| 11:27.44 | mnemoc | not sure what makes paypal less evil than moneybookers |
| 11:28.47 | mnemoc | but the "I don't want yet another devil messing in my bank account" argument is a fair enough |
| 11:31.45 | oliv3r | that weights very strongly, and the ignorant fact, that I never heard of moneybookers |
| 11:31.52 | oliv3r | haven't seen them accepted anywhere else |
| 11:32.09 | oliv3r | so i'd get that only for ali express, which would be ok, if it where more 'globally used' i guess |
| 11:32.31 | oliv3r | then again, it's all about trust, and I don't even trust my bank :p |
| 11:36.33 | mnemoc | http://www.techpluto.com/skrill-vs-paypal-detailed-comparison/ |
| 11:40.13 | mnemoc | btw, ebay does support moneybookers if the seller wants it |
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| 11:56.55 | hno | slapin, no idea. But might be interesting to map it's pins. |
| 11:57.47 | slapin | hno: have you played with reading code? |
| 11:57.57 | hno | Nice. Have repeated JTAG hack I applied on OLinuxIno A13 on Cubieboard as well. |
| 11:58.35 | hno | slapin, Not today. Played a bit yesterday, but no sensible results yet. A bit difficult not knowing what really is on the flash. |
| 11:59.02 | slapin | reads ONFI 1.0, trying to understand something important |
| 11:59.37 | hno | Will play a bit more with the Allwinner code later to try to understand what is on the flash. |
| 12:00.09 | slapin | hno: well, in latest code it reads always the same info, but full page, something is wrong with positioning on NAND |
| 12:00.30 | slapin | hno: you need to enter really large value for nand dump to see the difference |
| 12:00.52 | hno | slapin, Allwinner do use the controller a bit differently for reading, composing a chain of up to 5 commands in one go. |
| 12:00.56 | hno | slapin, how large? |
| 12:01.08 | mnemoc | hno: the hack to alternatve between mmc and jtag? |
| 12:01.40 | hno | mnemoc, yes, and having a wired 20-pin JTAG header. |
| 12:01.47 | hno | including system reset. |
| 12:01.50 | mnemoc | awesome! |
| 12:02.09 | hno | no messing with SD UART/JTAG breakout board and cables. |
| 12:02.21 | mnemoc | picutre? :) |
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| 12:03.15 | hno | Coming, both of the final result with second SD + JTAG header, and an annotated picture explaining where to find the signals. |
| 12:04.44 | hno | need to figure out if a "nand disable" can be easily added as well. Poking with a metal piece at the nand pins during reset is not entirely comfortable. |
| 12:06.55 | hno | All the MMC0 signals are easily accessible at the back of the board in the array of 3x4 componens (beneath the Cubie logo) |
| 12:07.12 | oliv3r | mnemoc: btw, I do not approve or like paypal either. I just happen to have them, and if I could do without, i would. Google Checkout seems vailable (don't know if it's a paypal alternative) |
| 12:12.19 | mnemoc | i love google checkout, unfortunatelly they are even less supported than skrill |
| 12:13.08 | mnemoc | hno: very nice |
| 12:13.35 | mnemoc | hno: got the layout from hipboi or find it out yourself? |
| 12:14.40 | oliv3r | mnemoc: the most widly supported one is paypal, and I wish it could die and go away |
| 12:16.16 | mnemoc | oliv3r: unfortunatelly shops and people will always prefer the most widly supported option |
| 12:16.29 | mnemoc | even if it's crap |
| 12:16.50 | slapin | hno: about nand dump 0x0 and nand dump 0x100000 there swa difference... or something |
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| 12:35.31 | slapin | hno: I'd prefer using command-by-command approach. Actually nand_sunxi almost never executes commands in parallel, and does not do batches. All this is fictional and overcomlicated, see the source. |
| 12:39.12 | hno | slapin, when reading pages it does this: http://fpaste.org/WSNb/ |
| 12:42.57 | slapin | hno: as I understand this SECTORN_NUM is only for ECC |
| 12:43.05 | slapin | hno: and randomizer |
| 12:43.33 | slapin | hno: all the same is the same |
| 12:48.59 | hno | ADR_NUM=4, SEND_ADR, DATA_TRANS, SEND_CMD1, DATA_TRANS, SEND_CMD2, DATA_SWAP_METHOD, 1<<31? |
| 12:53.42 | slapin | looks |
| 12:55.12 | hno | ADR_NUM = #address_cycles - 1 |
| 12:57.00 | slapin | -1? that's weird. I see they write address cycles directly there... probably that is a problem... |
| 12:57.43 | slapin | can you please test it? |
| 12:58.03 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.06 | hno | But you are right. The driver never ever uses SEND_CMD3/4. |
| 13:00.15 | hno | only 1 & 2. |
| 13:01.08 | hno | Really should wire up the logic analyzer and map things out a bit. This is confusing. |
| 13:01.12 | slapin | hno: please fix line 192 of sunxi_nand.c, and please test if you can, I'll be home only in 5+ hours. |
| 13:01.30 | slapin | where they get CMD2? |
| 13:03.30 | hno | There is 16 bits command in CMD and 24 bits in RCMD_SET and another 24 bits in WCMD_SET |
| 13:04.47 | slapin | ah, I see, I can put additional commands to RCMD |
| 13:05.08 | slapin | so they executed sequentally |
| 13:05.21 | slapin | but these don't have params, and just put on bus |
| 13:05.34 | hno | and up to 4 different command types. |
| 13:05.35 | slapin | weird |
| 13:05.57 | slapin | why they just put 05 always, without setting address? |
| 13:06.19 | slapin | hno: could you please see on logic analyser the real sequence they get on NAND bus? |
| 13:06.40 | slapin | hno: this sequence is interesting |
| 13:06.41 | hno | slapin, no idea. Hard to say what happens on the wires. |
| 13:07.51 | slapin | hno: it is important to see, because it might be wrong thing to do (they don't supply column for 05 and use e0 then 30 which is weird |
| 13:07.57 | hno | But it's also pretty clear you can wiggle byte per byte in CMD, even individual address cycles. |
| 13:08.27 | slapin | hno: yeah, we can, but a code will be simpler if we use CMD2 |
| 13:08.36 | hno | yes |
| 13:09.12 | slapin | hno: hence I try to convince you fire up the logic analyser :) |
| 13:10.42 | slapin | I will be able too, but only on weekend as I explore brand new HP 16500C oscilloscope |
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| 13:14.29 | slapin | which might take lots of time, but displaying interface on my local X server is a feature worth millions |
| 13:14.52 | slapin | which oscilloscope can do that too? |
| 13:16.26 | hno | slapin, I don't see how my tiny OLS wuold be able to handle a page read. |
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| 13:17.11 | slapin | hno: if NAND clock is 3MHz, why not? |
| 13:19.01 | slapin | hno: you don't need actual data, only first several bytes |
| 13:19.23 | slapin | hno: actually everything before 0x30 command |
| 13:21.24 | hno | slapin, because it has only 24K of trace memory, and uses 8 bytes per transition and we are probably looking at minimum 5 transitions per clock cycle. |
| 13:23.14 | slapin | hno: why 5 transitions? |
| 13:26.07 | slapin | trigger by we|re and everything should be fine |
| 13:26.27 | hno | Because databits and clocks arrive at different times. It's sampling all connected data bits for change. |
| 13:26.59 | slapin | hno: trigger? |
| 13:27.26 | slapin | hno: anyway, I think NAND clock can be reduced for that if this is an issue |
| 13:27.43 | slapin | but I think trigger will do... |
| 13:30.17 | hno | I can clock it externally, but that requires a single clock signal. |
| 13:30.59 | hno | I can use triggers to select when to start/stop sampling. |
| 13:31.53 | hno | and +/- offsets from triggers. to sample before/after the trigger. |
| 13:32.55 | hno | so theoretically possible to cover a whole page read by running it many times, but quite time consuming. |
| 13:34.28 | hno | clock speed is not a big issue. But sure, lower clock speed means lower sampling rate so should get less intermediary transitions as bits settle on their values. |
| 13:35.36 | slapin | hno: anyway, I'd try it, we just need several bytes... |
| 13:37.29 | hno | slapin, will try. But now trying to do some $$ work. |
| 13:41.46 | slapin | too |
| 13:54.37 | slapin | will debug memory leaks in python programs for food |
| 13:54.41 | hno | mnemoc, why can't I upload images to the wiki? |
| 13:55.09 | hno | "connection reset". Is there a too short timeout? |
| 13:58.21 | slapin | which BGA package does A10 use? |
| 13:58.42 | slapin | I need to calculate design requirements |
| 14:09.20 | hno | slapin, TFBGA441package, 0.8mm pitch. http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/A10/A10%20Datasheet%20-%20v1.21%20%282012-04-06%29.pdf for full details. |
| 14:09.38 | slapin | hno: any design guidelines? |
| 14:10.10 | slapin | never made BGA boards yet |
| 14:10.57 | mnemoc | hno: weird |
| 14:11.30 | hno | mnemoc, it's 4MB on a 1Mbit DSL connection so takes a little while. |
| 14:12.52 | hno | slapin, probably somewhere, but not in that datasheet. |
| 14:13.05 | mnemoc | hno: it might be beyond the size limit, let me check |
| 14:13.28 | mnemoc | client_max_body_size 4m; |
| 14:13.42 | mnemoc | i'll change it 16, 1m |
| 14:15.11 | mnemoc | hno: try now |
| 14:15.21 | hno | slapin, there will be full board layout available from olimex. |
| 14:20.59 | mnemoc | hno: was that enough or I need some php settings voodoo too? |
| 14:21.42 | hno | Will see. Haven't tried yet. Family arrived home. |
| 14:22.21 | hno | Says "This file is bigger than the server is configured to allow." |
| 14:22.32 | hno | "Maximum file size: 2 MB" |
| 14:22.50 | mnemoc | ok, better than the http error. will change php now |
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| 14:44.41 | oliv3r | there's 2 settings in php.ini i belive |
| 14:45.50 | oliv3r | post_max_size and upload_max_filesize |
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| 14:56.19 | mnemoc | Maximum file size: 16 MB (a file on your computer) |
| 14:56.25 | mnemoc | oliv3r: thanks |
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| 15:03.17 | Turl | mnemoc: I'm compiling directfb with (hopefully) sunxi G2D acceleration :) |
| 15:03.56 | mnemoc | vmwareish? |
| 15:04.18 | Turl | yeah |
| 15:04.25 | mnemoc | somehow the idea of getting you into vaapi or cedarx's RE sounded more interesting.... |
| 15:04.29 | Turl | copied vmware to "sunxi" and merged there :P |
| 15:04.43 | oliv3r | cedarx! go go go! |
| 15:04.48 | Turl | I'll clean it up if it works and upstream to directfb |
| 15:06.35 | mnemoc | Turl: the api is most likely to change.... and afawk only the A10 supports it |
| 15:07.15 | Turl | mnemoc: all those things are device specific, ati cards, vmware, broadcom stuff, etc |
| 15:07.52 | Turl | mnemoc: see it this way, if it works you can now build g2d on sun*i and assert if it has the hardware inside or not :P |
| 15:08.23 | mnemoc | assuming we reserved the memory and enabled the driver :) |
| 15:09.11 | Turl | building stuff natively is.. slow :< |
| 15:15.09 | mnemoc | ibot: shipping? |
| 15:15.09 | ibot | i guess shipping is hopefully in 4-5 weeks |
| 15:15.13 | mnemoc | meh :( |
| 15:15.20 | mnemoc | it's cross-channel :| |
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| 15:43.24 | Graffiti | hello every one.. |
| 15:44.15 | Graffiti | i am trying to connect to mele a2000 to serial to usb device.. in putty terminal i see weird characters.. |
| 15:44.49 | Turl | Graffiti: make sure you've got the right speed set |
| 15:44.52 | Turl | 115200 |
| 15:44.54 | Graffiti | can any one please guide me with the baud rate and parity settings |
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| 15:45.50 | mnemoc | 115200 8N1 |
| 15:46.33 | mnemoc | be sure to connect your uart/usb adapter to the pins between the DRAM and you. with the connectors in the farther end |
| 15:46.46 | Graffiti | Turl: mnemoc: thanks.. its working now :) |
| 15:47.03 | mnemoc | some poeple tries to connect the uart to the usb otg header |
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| 15:48.16 | Graffiti | i refered to linux-sunxi wiki for details on connecting.. |
| 15:49.52 | Graffiti | may be it will be useful if anyone can update wiki with this information, it will help a beginer like me.. :-P |
| 15:51.21 | vinifm | hi, is it possible to use interrupt handlers(ISRs) outside drivers? |
| 15:54.53 | rellla | Turl: i'm not familiar with directfb. for my understanding: once directfb is working with sunxi G2D accel., xine/mplayer/... can use it for accelerated video output on a10? |
| 15:55.49 | mnemoc | Graffiti: you can do it yourself :) |
| 15:56.54 | Turl | rellla: I'm new to it too, but it's a library to work with framebuffer stuff |
| 15:56.56 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/Mele_A1000 wants a picture with the uart markings and hints for beginers to connect it |
| 15:57.00 | Turl | drawing, blitting, that kind of thing |
| 15:57.02 | mnemoc | Graffiti: ----^ |
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| 16:18.04 | libv | rellla: g2d is 2d acceleration |
| 16:18.19 | libv | rellla: not colour space conversion or hw overlays |
| 16:18.36 | libv | rellla: completely different blocks on the a10 soc |
| 16:18.56 | rellla | libv: dumb rellla realized it already after doing some extensive googleing ;-) |
| 16:19.15 | libv | it's not too dumb |
| 16:19.34 | libv | you at least googled for reality |
| 16:19.53 | libv | the people driving drm still maintain that all these different bits must be mashed together |
| 16:23.45 | libv | but then again, sense and structure never were the strong points of the characters there |
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| 16:24.30 | rellla | for me it would be great to have libva working with a10 one day. so then vdr (tvdr.de) gets a directly supported video output device and i do not have to take the indirect route over xbmc. correct me, if i'm wrong again. |
| 16:25.15 | libv | i have no experience with libv |
| 16:25.22 | libv | libva even |
| 16:25.30 | libv | 33ys of experience with the other though |
| 16:25.35 | mnemoc | *g* |
| 16:25.43 | rellla | lol |
| 16:26.23 | libv | but from your statement, it seems that it too is trying to bridge colour space conversion and display stuff, and media decoding |
| 16:28.01 | Turl | meh, it segfaults |
| 16:28.05 | Turl | blames allwinner |
| 16:28.09 | rellla | this is all very confusing for an amateur... |
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| 17:02.29 | jinzo | mnemoc, regarding that comparisons - I'm a bit busy now, if not before I'll do them by the weekend. |
| 17:08.17 | mnemoc | jinzo: no problem. weekend is good :) |
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| 17:25.20 | vgrade | evening all |
| 17:25.36 | RaYmAn | evening |
| 17:32.02 | techn | Turl: I had same in my mind.. directfb and vaapi |
| 17:33.17 | techn | libv: or are you doing disp reformating currently? |
| 17:33.36 | mnemoc | he is back into lima |
| 17:34.22 | techn | oh.. then I could continue on that |
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| 17:55.02 | libv | techn: s/format/structur/ |
| 18:01.53 | mnemoc | only saw Lindent :p |
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| 18:11.28 | libv | yes, but that was only the first step |
| 18:18.43 | Graffiti | hi gimili |
| 18:19.11 | Graffiti | any progress on porting cederx to xbmc? |
| 18:21.59 | mnemoc | Graffiti: http://linux-sunxi.org/XBMC |
| 18:22.07 | mnemoc | libv: I was kidding |
| 18:23.36 | Graffiti | mnemoc: if i understand correctly gimli was working on the gpl side of the cederx port with offical support from allwinner |
| 18:25.00 | mnemoc | sure. but xbmc on cedarx is working |
| 18:25.14 | mnemoc | mostly |
| 18:25.17 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:25.38 | Graffiti | ;) |
| 18:25.59 | mnemoc | but future looks bright |
| 18:26.38 | Graffiti | i tried compiling it by myself.. but not able to succeed.. i tried prebuilt image of jas http://jas-hacks.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/hackberry-a10-xbmc.html |
| 18:26.57 | Graffiti | which is done for hackbeery.. |
| 18:28.10 | Graffiti | but after replacing script.bin from guillaume image.. my mele doesn't boot |
| 18:29.02 | Graffiti | if any of you developers can upload an image for mele a2000 with xbmc in it.. it would be awsom |
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| 18:33.44 | rz2k | Graffiti: http://ul.to/tj8sfbfq |
| 18:33.50 | rz2k | xbmc-a10 for linaro 12.10 |
| 18:34.04 | rz2k | dont forget to do apt-get build-dep xbmc |
| 18:34.26 | rz2k | also read this topic https://groups.google.com/d/topic/cubieboard/AIXGspxm05s/discussion |
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| 18:39.25 | Graffiti | i tried the .deb file before.. but i am getting this error |
| 18:39.28 | Graffiti | root@mele:/mnt/hdd# dpkg -i xbmca10.deb dpkg: error processing xbmca10.deb (--install): package architecture (armel) does not match system (armhf) Errors were encountered while processing: xbmca10.deb |
| 18:39.50 | Graffiti | may be its for armel image |
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| 18:50.19 | libv | in the meantime, i have the currently public lima codebase running on r3p0 |
| 18:50.48 | libv | well, 7/8 times, a job handling/threading issue that will get a more complete solution now. |
| 18:52.02 | techn | libv: nice :) |
| 18:52.10 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 18:52.15 | techn | libv: how complete lima is? |
| 18:52.29 | mnemoc | runs q3a :p |
| 18:52.37 | libv | no, q3a is the next step |
| 18:52.45 | libv | after cleaning up the linuxtag codebase |
| 18:52.58 | libv | techn: check the linuxtag videos |
| 18:53.17 | libv | i made quite a mess in those two weeks of all out hacking |
| 18:53.32 | techn | at summer I found only videos of triagle rendering |
| 18:54.07 | libv | techn: you must've seen the 3k+ triangle, textured cube, rotating |
| 18:54.23 | libv | which is where it is at |
| 18:54.41 | libv | i have some code somewhere to render quads directly |
| 18:55.13 | libv | and i still need to figure out some things for non-square mipmapping, and whatever bits and bobs q3a needs besides that |
| 18:55.50 | libv | oh, and i need to get cwabbot to write the assembler to the essl i wrote for q3a |
| 18:56.12 | libv | so that the few shaders needed for this antique game can run on fully free software |
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| 19:21.49 | rz2k | may I have more clear explanation of lima ecosystem? lima uses standard r3p0 drivers and own userspace libraries reversed from default ones? |
| 19:22.41 | libv | well, i need something to reverse engineer, don't i? |
| 19:23.23 | libv | secondly, my command stream code depends on ARMs compiler |
| 19:23.40 | libv | as cwabbott and flatmush are still working on the free compiler |
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| 19:35.56 | libv | hrm, could it be that our platform has threading issues? |
| 19:37.20 | libv | my main thread, waiting on getting a lock on a mutex, does not get woken up when my job submission thread unlocks that mutex |
| 19:37.37 | mnemoc | ouch |
| 19:37.53 | libv | and these are the only two places this mutex is used |
| 19:39.09 | libv | i guess it's trylock for me then |
| 19:40.18 | traeak | cool, q3a maybe also means urban terror |
| 19:40.19 | traeak | hmm |
| 19:41.41 | libv | traeak: the goal is of course to provide full gles2 support |
| 19:42.06 | libv | traeak: but q3a with a handul of premade shaders is an important step |
| 19:43.05 | libv | trylock seems reliable. |
| 19:43.29 | libv | so there is some threading issue with kernel/libc |
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| 19:58.10 | Graffiti | finally managed to get my mele booting.. |
| 19:58.31 | Graffiti | but when i start ./xbmc i get kernel panic http://pastebin.com/J69UUBhp |
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| 19:58.39 | hg_5 | hello |
| 19:59.08 | hg_5 | what you think about ainol novo7 fire, its about 170$ with dual core processor, should i take it? |
| 19:59.25 | L84Supper | has anyone played with the a10 GPIO to see if it's usable for bit banging or driving step and direction pulses?? |
| 20:00.39 | traeak | libv: understood, unless youare MS opengles is a good thing |
| 20:04.45 | L84Supper | http://www.quickembed.com/Tools/Shop/Solution/201208/260.html US$59.00 in stock A10 + 512mb RAM, 4/8G flash, USB, HDMI |
| 20:05.21 | L84Supper | + 6 gpio, and uart, and jtag for programming |
| 20:06.03 | L84Supper | anyone get one of these? ^^^ |
| 20:06.50 | L84Supper | $35USD for business (1K pcs price) |
| 20:07.04 | rz2k | libv: es2_info with default X11 libs dies with message from XCB saying something about multithreading, es2tri dies with failing to allocate memory for output. |
| 20:07.10 | rz2k | so yeah, expect anything |
| 20:07.50 | libv | q3a was happily running on the r3p0-fb libs, so that's good enough for me |
| 20:08.01 | rz2k | L84Supper: that is MK802II in different enclosure |
| 20:08.02 | RaYmAn | L84Supper: it looks a lot like any other a10 mk802-style thing |
| 20:08.31 | hg_5 | L84Supper whats that ? |
| 20:09.00 | L84Supper | the difference seems to be that they routed some GPIO and JTAG |
| 20:09.14 | rz2k | they are the same on mk802II, afaik. |
| 20:09.37 | RaYmAn | L84Supper: what, test points? |
| 20:09.42 | L84Supper | rz2k: hadn't noticed GPIO on those |
| 20:09.47 | RaYmAn | My mk802 has a lot of test points as well :P |
| 20:09.59 | libv | rz2k: the test embedded in mali libs should still be ported to X11 though |
| 20:10.32 | L84Supper | ah just pads, no header for GPIO |
| 20:10.36 | L84Supper | nevermind |
| 20:12.01 | L84Supper | I always end up having to design and build my own boards :( |
| 20:27.33 | slapin | HP 16500C is so complex machine... |
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| 20:48.59 | Turl | anyone know what's the register holding the return address on arm? |
| 20:50.16 | mnemoc | lr ? |
| 20:51.17 | Turl | thanks mnemoc |
| 20:53.21 | mnemoc | note, i don't know asm.... but i remember to have seen that |
| 20:54.09 | mnemoc | cheap trick to is code something in c and then objdump -d the result |
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| 21:01.03 | Turl | mnemoc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calling_convention#ARM lr yep |
| 21:19.59 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:21.05 | Turl | hates trying to debug something and forgetting to enable debug symbols >.< |
| 21:21.23 | hg_5 | hey, is it worth to buy ainol novo 7fire for 170 $ , does it have gps? Nexus 7 costs 100$ more, hm maybe do you know is something coming as successor of nexus 7? |
| 21:22.22 | Turl | nexus 7 costs 199$ |
| 21:22.28 | Turl | 16GB model |
| 21:23.11 | hg_5 | in my country it costs 270$ ;/ |
| 21:23.18 | rm | meh amlogic |
| 21:23.22 | rm | at least the screen is okay |
| 21:23.23 | hg_5 | and ainol novo 7fire 170$ |
| 21:23.34 | Turl | hg_5: can't you buy from play store? |
| 21:23.43 | hg_5 | its unavailable for my country |
| 21:23.52 | hg_5 | to buy from play store |
| 21:25.08 | hg_5 | and nexus 7 has one disadvantage, it doesnt have mini hdmi port |
| 21:25.17 | hg_5 | so i wont able to connect it to tv |
| 21:25.41 | mnemoc | use a mele on the tv :p |
| 21:26.11 | hg_5 | but its additional cost.. |
| 21:26.54 | hg_5 | +100 $ .. |
| 21:27.15 | hg_5 | and it doesnt work perfect |
| 21:32.06 | RaYmAn | hdmi is overrated on tablets |
| 21:32.10 | RaYmAn | I have..too many tablets |
| 21:32.28 | RaYmAn | and I've never used hdmi on any of them for anything but testing |
| 21:33.34 | mnemoc | maybe if you live in one of the countries blessed by netflix... |
| 21:33.41 | mnemoc | but not my case |
| 21:34.41 | RaYmAn | they did actually just open netflix here, but meh. All old content :/ |
| 21:35.12 | RaYmAn | also, I said *tablets* :P I use hdmi just fine on stationary devices |
| 21:36.37 | mnemoc | afaik people can watch netflix content from android tablets these days |
| 21:37.46 | RaYmAn | I suppose |
| 21:38.22 | mnemoc | for them it might make sense to plug the hdmi to a tablet if they don't have an stationary device |
| 21:38.28 | RaYmAn | i guess |
| 21:38.57 | mnemoc | and the chromebook review? |
| 21:39.59 | RaYmAn | still liking it :) |
| 21:40.10 | mnemoc | =) |
| 21:40.11 | RaYmAn | PLanning to open it up and enable full dev mode ;) |
| 21:40.33 | mnemoc | mine is trapped in memphis :| |
| 21:40.34 | RaYmAn | (bootloader is hw write protected...fairly easy to disable) |
| 21:40.35 | RaYmAn | aww |
| 21:41.06 | mnemoc | i assumed amazon.co.uk wouldn't ship it outside uk |
| 21:41.17 | RaYmAn | :( |
| 21:41.31 | RaYmAn | they usually do to at least quite large parts of EU |
| 21:41.42 | RaYmAn | I bought my asus transformer there back when it came out |
| 21:42.09 | mnemoc | so currently it has been $249 + $47 of the forwarding |
| 21:42.33 | mnemoc | + weeks of latency |
| 21:42.49 | RaYmAn | and then possibly tax/vat? |
| 21:42.53 | RaYmAn | if you're unlucky |
| 21:43.18 | mnemoc | i trust it won't get caught |
| 21:43.29 | mnemoc | it's repacked and under 2kg |
| 21:43.42 | RaYmAn | =P |
| 21:44.01 | RaYmAn | mine ended up at ~300EUR total |
| 21:44.56 | mnemoc | it i don't get taxed, it would be making it under $300.... so still a good deal |
| 21:45.05 | mnemoc | s/it/if/ |
| 21:45.09 | RaYmAn | yeah |
| 21:45.14 | RaYmAn | other than the delay :P |
| 21:45.35 | mnemoc | yes |
| 21:46.21 | RaYmAn | If it's any consolation I haven't had much time to play with mine :( |
| 21:46.30 | RaYmAn | or rather, energy, I guess. |
| 21:47.46 | mnemoc | same case here... so I wouldn't be using it |
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| 23:22.00 | Turl | so, going back to the old directfb version, g2d works |
| 23:23.52 | *** join/#arm-netbook vinifm (~vinix@177.134.140.213) |
| 23:27.33 | slapin | hno: ping |
| 23:28.36 | slapin | hno: it seems to read, but interprets sizes in pages instead of bytes, weird... need to read doc |
| 23:28.59 | slapin | hno: I made CMD2 work it seems... |
| 23:31.46 | slapin | hno: I can't understand why it request 2 pages when I do nand read.raw 0x47000000 0 2 |
| 23:32.04 | slapin | something is messed-up in logic... |
| 23:46.23 | vinifm | hno: which the correct parameters to the function gpio_set_value() |
| 23:51.10 | focus_it | 7" LCD video monitors (for reversing) can be bought for about $20. Anyone know if HDMI monitors come that cheap? (They seem all in the $100+ mark) |
| 23:56.40 | slapin | focus_it: any links for $20 monitors? |
| 23:57.41 | Turl | focus_it: why do you want hdmi for a 7"? |
| 23:59.19 | focus_it | slapin:http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Jingjiniao-Store/In-Car-Monitor-Rearview-Kit-/_i.html?_fsub=1496417010&_sid=673529900&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 |
| 23:59.48 | focus_it | turl: I got 2xMK802 - and it would be good to have them both powered up at same time |
