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| 03:59.04 | rz2k | successfully built mali r3p1 for A10 using config.h's and pmu stuff from r3p0 |
| 03:59.14 | rz2k | we probably can push r3p1 to next_mali |
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| 05:00.59 | sky770 | hey mnemoc :D |
| 05:01.06 | sky770 | hi all ^_^ |
| 05:01.40 | alcides | hi |
| 05:02.06 | sky770 | hey alcides, ssup |
| 05:31.27 | sky770 | Is there anyone who is updated on reverse engineering the Allwinner a10's VPU ? |
| 05:31.37 | sky770 | any updates regarding the project? |
| 05:37.35 | orly_owl | mali 400? or is that the gpu? |
| 05:38.34 | sky770 | inside the A10 allwinner SoC we got the Mali400M the GPU; inside the whole package we got the CedarX VPU |
| 05:40.04 | sky770 | am talking abt the CedarX VPU :D |
| 05:40.24 | sky770 | a deal breaker :/ IMO |
| 05:45.17 | rz2k | sky770: https://github.com/empatzero/xbmca10 |
| 05:46.16 | rz2k | we just dont have enough people capable of reversing vpu stuff. |
| 05:46.27 | rz2k | and people interest in allwinner seem to fade. |
| 05:53.23 | sky770 | true |
| 05:53.44 | sky770 | All were* hanging on allwinner until it became a reality.. |
| 05:54.16 | sky770 | well, Amlogic certainly has good prospects in this area :D |
| 05:55.23 | rz2k | only if they would support opensource and help, afaik people still dont have u-boot sources or something basic like that |
| 05:55.43 | rz2k | also they have gpl-violating NDA, but thats another story. |
| 05:55.57 | sky770 | I am clinging onto Tom cubie :D |
| 05:59.37 | orly_owl | are there any satellite/terrestrial stb using allwinner soc? |
| 05:59.42 | orly_owl | *is there |
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| 07:08.17 | sky770 | will BRB |
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| 09:52.37 | Gumboot | Anyone got any juicy A6 gossip? |
| 09:53.01 | Gumboot | That question may force me into full disclosure mode. |
| 09:54.35 | hno | A6? |
| 09:55.49 | lundman | Ihave A4,lots of them |
| 09:56.49 | Gumboot | Apple A6. I hadn't anticipated that they'd skip the Cortex A15, but it sounds like they have. |
| 09:56.54 | Gumboot | But I don't know if that's confirmed. |
| 09:57.57 | hno | Is A6 relevant to open? |
| 09:58.19 | Gumboot | Not directly, but it's a point of reference. |
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| 10:00.05 | VarmVaffel | If the datasheet for my ARM mcu says that the EMI starts at 0x40000000, wouldn't that be the most logical starting point for the DRAM? |
| 10:00.52 | hno | Gumboot, From the little I know it's not a Cortex neither in design or instruction set. |
| 10:01.21 | Gumboot | I'm pretty sure the instruction set will be consistent with Cortex. |
| 10:01.31 | Gumboot | ARM would probably freak out, otherwise. |
| 10:01.51 | Gumboot | (that being entirely my own opinion, and all that shit) |
| 10:04.17 | Gumboot | Cortex A series, I mean. |
| 10:04.48 | Gumboot | I don't know if the Cortex branding will continue to non-ARMv7 IP. |
| 10:08.22 | Gumboot | Hm. Looks like the big delay at the start of building Android is a shell script... ? |
| 10:10.36 | hno | Gumboot, it's a custom ARMv7 based instruction set, dubbed armv7s by Apple, implememented in a custom core design. |
| 10:10.53 | akaizen | sky770: rz2k: I'm interested in the CedarX and MALI400. Working on re-doing the interface to libve and implementing the VBV and FBM into a proper driver/module |
| 10:11.05 | Gumboot | Crikey. |
| 10:11.17 | Gumboot | That's going to cause some distress. |
| 10:11.21 | rm | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-7-inch-android-4-0-Capacitive-Screen-Camera-WIFI-allwinner-a13-tablet-pc/439657132.html |
| 10:11.25 | rm | $53 capacitive A13 |
| 10:11.27 | Gumboot | hno: Got a reference? |
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| 10:13.31 | akaizen | I saw empat_zero got it working, so maybe the VBV, FBM and adapter from the sdk will work. But some specific init_data for the decoder for specific codecs is missing from the documentation |
| 10:15.25 | Gumboot | I guess it's one more thing that works out just like Intel. The eventual arms race of ill-conceived instruction set extensions. It'll be just like AMD versus Intel and IE versus Netscape. |
| 10:17.45 | Gumboot | finds a reference but suspects it might be bullshit. |
| 10:27.57 | akaizen | off to sleep |
| 10:28.11 | hno | Gumboot, only whata anandtech reported |
| 10:29.19 | hno | and have no reason to distrust. Apple certainly have both resources and the right people to pull that off. |
| 10:31.05 | hno | and speculations immediately started on Apple switching to ARM for Macbook in future.. guess that's still pretty far off the map however. |
| 10:32.18 | Gumboot | It seems unlikely that they'd implement non-ARM-sanctioned extensions. |
| 10:33.09 | Gumboot | What I'm seeing suggests that it's just A15-class instructions, though. Not their own extensions. |
| 10:33.58 | Gumboot | Oh. Good. xcode is dropping ARMv6 support. |
| 10:35.41 | techn | mnemoc: Dunno if that patch is needed for r2p4 libraries.. but anyway I got gles acceleration working(with es2gears and glmark2-es) with r2p4, but ie xbmc crashes. |
| 10:36.17 | techn | but I'm currently trying to make that patch work with r3p0/1 |
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| 10:37.03 | MrWHO | I was wondering if there was anyone in the channel... it seems really busy! :) |
| 10:40.28 | hno | MrWHO, yes it's a quite active channel. |
| 10:42.45 | MrWHO | I have an image for my MiniX - Mele_HTPC_120907_V1.2.img - and I'm on linux. I tried to use the depacker from https://github.com/amery/sunxi-tools/blob/master/phoenix_info.c, and it complains that it's not a Phoenix image. Funnily enough it ships with the PhoenixCard application... |
| 10:43.37 | MrWHO | ..is it possible that the format of the image has changed? There is no "PHOENIX_CARD_IMG" in the image... so it would seem of a different kind of family |
| 10:47.55 | cat1 | : allwinner added cpufreq_governor with rather funny name "fantasy" :D |
| 10:51.49 | hno | MrWHO, that tool is for dissecting SD images written by phoenixcard. |
| 10:52.48 | hno | The actual firmware image format is encrypted & obfuscated, and to my best knowledge there is only Windows tools for unpacking them. |
| 10:52.50 | MrWHO | I see... |
| 10:53.26 | hno | the ones who know the format do not want to talk about it. |
| 10:54.39 | hno | but there is two known tools developed outside Allwinner that can unpack the image format. |
| 10:54.51 | hno | plus that Allwinner also have a tool somewhere. |
| 10:55.23 | hno | in addition to Livesuit and Phoenixcard which both obviously also know how to unpack the firmware image. |
| 10:57.20 | MrWHO | Do you know where I can find the tools? |
| 10:59.49 | techn | https://github.com/techn/linux-allwinner/commit/e7e2feb36a66f19cb53e31e27e101fc66456be82 , if anyone wants to test |
| 11:00.03 | hno | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25978796 has one. |
| 11:01.35 | hno | MrWHO, http://linux-sunxi.org/LiveSuit_images |
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| 12:09.33 | VarmVaffel | I'm still looking for an answer for the question I wrote here a while ago btw |
| 12:09.40 | VarmVaffel | if anyone knows |
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| 13:05.01 | popolon | http://www.arm.com/zh/images/SDD_Boards_V2F_2XV6_Mega_Stack%28697px%29.jpg |
| 13:05.22 | popolon | what is this computer ? I believe the link was wrong on the page I found it |
| 13:05.45 | popolon | http://www.arm.com/zh/products/tools/development-boards/versatile-express/logictile-express.php |
| 13:06.10 | popolon | (by clicking on the Soc scheme on this page) |
| 13:07.46 | penguin42 | oh wacky |
| 13:09.08 | penguin42 | popolon: I'd assume that's an ARM versatile express development board loaded with a few processor modules |
| 13:10.17 | penguin42 | popolon: compare to the http://www.arm.com/products/tools/development-boards/versatile-express/index.php picture you get |
| 13:10.30 | penguin42 | popolon: Click ont he click for larger image on there |
| 13:12.06 | popolon | ok, thanks penguin42 |
| 13:12.07 | popolon | :) |
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| 13:12.56 | penguin42 | popolon: The versatile express is basically a motherboard that you then choose a CPU module for, it's what ARM seem to release there new cores on first as their internal test board |
| 13:13.52 | popolon | is ARM the manufacturer of versatile express ? |
| 13:14.32 | penguin42 | popolon: I think so |
| 13:15.06 | popolon | oh, thanks |
| 13:15.58 | penguin42 | popolon: the board is built so you can build test boards for whatever hardware you're going to build into a SoC |
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| 16:54.56 | mnemoc | techn: so x11/gl working? :) |
| 16:56.16 | rz2k | mnemoc: still no luck for obvious same libs/x11dr2i/drivers setup |
| 16:56.40 | rz2k | somehow you can make r2p4 work with r3p0 drivers but I didnt get how to do that, I have kernel oopsing with that |
| 16:57.04 | rz2k | with r3p0/1 any gl app dies with 12288 or 12296 |
| 16:58.21 | mnemoc | ouch |
| 16:59.18 | rz2k | most weird stuff is that 12288 is egl_success error |
| 16:59.55 | mnemoc | who oopses? disp or mali? |
| 17:00.01 | mnemoc | or drm? or ump? |
| 17:00.06 | rz2k | ump |
| 17:00.35 | rz2k | apply this patch and test https://github.com/techn/linux-allwinner/commit/e7e2feb36a66f19cb53e31e27e101fc66456be82 |
| 17:03.27 | techn | rz2k: I managed to get gles acceleration with r2p4 user and kernelspace |
| 17:04.05 | rz2k | what patch did you apply for r2p4? there is not buf1/2 there |
| 17:04.11 | rz2k | only get_secure_id |
| 17:04.28 | rz2k | s/not/no/ |
| 17:04.31 | techn | get_secure_id ioctl is same as buf1 ioctl |
| 17:05.18 | techn | but not sure if that patch is even needed with r2p4.. only difference is that memory lenght is halfed |
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| 17:08.34 | rz2k | I cant reproduce it unfortunately :( I'm only getting http://pastebin.com/Bjig0K7C with r2p4 kernelside, r2p4 libs and your patch |
| 17:10.30 | techn | rz2k: you'll need to chmod /dev/ump |
| 17:10.56 | rz2k | I have udev rule for that |
| 17:11.01 | mnemoc | rz2k: disp-ump loaded? |
| 17:11.15 | rz2k | mnemoc: see modules list |
| 17:11.29 | techn | also.. have you updated latest version of that patch |
| 17:11.50 | rz2k | no, thats with the old one, today I've only tested r3p0 |
| 17:12.34 | rz2k | I will try again ofcourse. |
| 17:13.18 | mnemoc | pastebin.com isn't very phone friendly |
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| 17:21.09 | cat1 | mnemoc: what about pastie.org? |
| 17:22.21 | mnemoc | I'm more of a fan of sprunge |
| 17:22.26 | mnemoc | .us |
| 17:23.13 | mnemoc | easy to paste from command line, and the result is plain text unless you ?lang |
| 17:24.28 | cat1 | mnemoc: yeah, looks very good |
| 17:24.35 | techn | any suggestions what to run top of gles2? |
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| 17:25.05 | techn | xbmc and es2ri crashes |
| 17:25.48 | techn | but anything else in linaro's ALIP repos? |
| 17:28.11 | merbzt | is there a console port on the H24 (minix) = |
| 17:28.12 | merbzt | ? |
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| 18:34.31 | mnemoc | oh. someone just published the A10 user manual on the cubieboard list... |
| 18:35.32 | RaYmAn | heh |
| 18:35.33 | RaYmAn | that's fun |
| 18:36.24 | mnemoc | v1.20 |
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| 18:36.44 | RaYmAn | is that newer than what some people already had? |
| 18:36.48 | mnemoc | same |
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| 18:58.19 | rm | how to open U-host? :S |
| 18:58.29 | rm | unscrewed the 2 screws, that's all? |
| 18:58.53 | mnemoc | rm: pictures for linux-sunxi.org please :) |
| 19:01.12 | hno | hope Tom don't get in trouble on that. |
| 19:02.46 | hno | Same MD5 even, so the PDF is not watermarked. |
| 19:03.07 | cde | non-WITS, beware! |
| 19:03.44 | mnemoc | good to know it's not traceable |
| 19:05.01 | rm | apparently someone decided screws weren't enough |
| 19:05.12 | rm | and it also has those horrible plastic clamps at 4 points |
| 19:05.53 | mnemoc | :( |
| 19:06.23 | hno | mnemoc, it's troublesome regardless from a license perspective, but what the heck. |
| 19:06.34 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 19:09.33 | rm | f*ck |
| 19:09.40 | rm | this one does not have pins |
| 19:09.47 | rm | at least it has holes |
| 19:10.05 | rm | which are not labeled |
| 19:10.34 | Yaku | does someone know if there is a special channel for allwinner a10 devices ? i am looking for an option to thether not my mobile connection but my ethernet on my mele a2000 with 2nd mele ICS stockrom |
| 19:11.23 | mnemoc | rm: :'( |
| 19:11.40 | mnemoc | Yaku: this one is fine |
| 19:12.39 | hno | rm, uart? |
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| 19:13.13 | rm | yes |
| 19:13.33 | rm | or... hm |
| 19:13.35 | rm | http://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/smallart_u-host_pcba_USB_host.jpg |
| 19:13.38 | rm | ^ ...what? |
| 19:14.11 | mnemoc | not nice |
| 19:14.21 | rm | "Ok, spoke with the factory and the 4 pins are not UART. There is a flymouse that is an optional add-on. The receiver for the fly mouse uses these pins for the connection." |
| 19:14.28 | rm | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/27/smallart-u-host-hackable-mini-pc-unboxing-and-review/ |
| 19:15.41 | Yaku | thx, just didn´t know exactly where to look, i just opened the mobile ap option and it opened the accesspoint and could connect to my mele from my sgs+, but i do not seem to be able to get to the internet, the box got a connection while under status it says it doesn´t i still can access the web from the box itself |
| 19:16.12 | Yaku | really seems to be the right channel since ur also working with an a10 device rm :) |
| 19:16.29 | hno | rm, so it's USB then. |
| 19:16.47 | hno | most likely. |
| 19:18.45 | rm | Yaku, people discuss the A10 devices here 90% of the time |
| 19:19.07 | rm | so it is indeed the most suitable channel in all of freenode for your question |
| 19:19.09 | hno | and not so much the EOMA68 A10. |
| 19:19.24 | rm | naturally, people tend to discuss things which exist |
| 19:19.29 | Yaku | was thinking of buying an ug802 |
| 19:19.48 | Yaku | but that´s rk3066 and no sources :/ |
| 19:20.06 | hno | do the mele firmware have tethering support? |
| 19:20.11 | Yaku | yes |
| 19:20.30 | Yaku | i could put a 3g stick in there and it would thether |
| 19:20.34 | Yaku | tether |
| 19:21.10 | Yaku | but i want to share the ethernet rather then the 3g connection to have a mobile ap in a hotel |
| 19:21.33 | hno | that's more of an Android question than A10. |
| 19:22.17 | Yaku | what´s the best channel for android network related subjects ? |
| 19:23.04 | rm | I guess there has to be #android |
| 19:24.35 | hno | if not someone there should know. |
| 19:25.13 | Yaku | guess i have to register in irc to get rights for the channel |
| 19:25.47 | CIA-15 | rhombus-tech: master * r2992d4f136d0 /allwinner_a10/orders/olex.mdwn: |
| 19:26.15 | hno | Yaku, being registered with nickserv is always a good idea. |
| 19:30.03 | cat1 | anyone, why do we have CONFIG_BCM4330=m? is there any a1X based device with it? |
| 19:39.26 | hno | probably some. |
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| 19:54.05 | mnemoc | techn: now with the user manual leaked into the CB list you can look into the g2d details a little better |
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| 20:00.32 | Yakuzzi | thx everyone |
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| 21:14.40 | rm | somehow I am a bit fed up with these A10 devices |
| 21:15.00 | rm | unlike x86, when it fails to boot you can't see any debug output |
| 21:15.19 | rm | and those ass clowns put USB pins instead of UART |
| 21:15.23 | rm | because yay fly mouse |
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| 21:18.41 | rm | also the U-host has only one USB host port externally |
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| 21:18.57 | rm | and it seems to have a hard time powering a passive hub + 3-4 devices on it |
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| 21:23.27 | merbzt | 4*0.5A = 2A |
| 21:24.08 | merbzt | so you need quite a beefy power supply for that use case |
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| 21:25.32 | specing | merbzt: usb keys and keyboard usually don't drain 0.5A :) |
| 21:27.56 | merbzt | true, but if it is a small device with one usb port then it usually only have power enough for that also' |
| 21:31.47 | techn | rm: put disp modules inside kernel, then you'll see whats the problem |
| 21:32.11 | techn | unless problem is earlier than disp is inited |
| 21:32.31 | techn | but atleast userspace problem are easily debugable now |
| 21:34.30 | techn | mnemoc: yes.. manual seems to have g2d registers described |
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