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| 04:21.18 | furan | argh is linux-sunxi down? |
| 04:53.06 | furan | it's back |
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| 05:38.42 | jquip | Hallo, question: I have a tab running linux with an RTL8188 not RTL8192 wifi chip... when i run iwlist scanning , i get my some of the wifi points.. but cant connect to them... anybody? |
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| 07:02.48 | Jef91 | Is the all winner a8 for purchase anywhere yet? |
| 07:15.22 | hipboi | Jef91: you mean the eoma68 a10? |
| 07:15.35 | Jef91 | Yea that thing |
| 07:15.44 | Jef91 | The website isn't super clear on the details |
| 07:15.51 | Jef91 | Just found a link to it from PCWorld |
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| 08:22.21 | dstyle | hi there, thank you for your efforts, I have two questions. Is the initial fbcon actually working on a10 tablets - like fancy dmesg output while booting? Are there any new news about VPU? If i understand the VPU is Allwinners (not Mali) and Allwinner got really quiet the last month and reverse engineering stuck? Is there any 3D accelerated X for a10 linux? Thanks for response of any kind! |
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| 08:30.58 | techn_ | dstyle: depends on your distro, dunno VPU status , I havent got 3D working on X.. but there is actions to get new mali drivers (https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/tree/wip/linux-sunxi-3.0/next_mali) .. |
| 08:33.50 | dstyle | next_mali looks promising. Thank you for telling. |
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| 09:22.58 | hipboi | dstyle: fbcon work now |
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| 09:59.56 | lkcl | hipboi: yay! superb! thank goodness for that. makes early-stage debugging a bit hellish otherwise. and harder to do those lovely 1st boot screenshots |
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| 13:19.50 | xxiao | openjdk 7u6 is added to armv6/v7, i though we had java on armv6/v7 already? |
| 13:21.02 | xxiao | ic this is for desktop and server |
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| 13:31.57 | blahee | at least openjdk is compiled for armv7hl, but don't know the optimization leves there |
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| 13:45.56 | xxiao | the news here is that java is for desktop-server ARM apps |
| 13:46.10 | xxiao | we had Java SE on ARM for a long while indeed |
| 13:46.13 | blahee | i saw the news few days ago |
| 13:47.23 | xxiao | not sure how much you need pay to orcale when you ship java SE jre on the device |
| 13:50.46 | blahee | as it's oracle, it's likely "all you got + two goats and you first born" :) |
| 13:51.08 | xxiao | right, damn oracle |
| 13:54.14 | penguin42 | openblocks ships JavaSE I think |
| 13:56.35 | penguin42 | pity they're so pricey |
| 13:57.19 | xxiao | penguin42: which openblocks you're talking about, the mit one? |
| 13:57.31 | penguin42 | xxiao: No, http://online.plathome.co.jp/public/show/arm%E3%82%92%E6%8E%A1%E7%94%A8%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F%E3%83%9E%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90-openblocks-a%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%83%9F%E3%83%AA |
| 13:57.50 | penguin42 | (translates usefully with chrome's translator plugin) |
| 13:57.59 | xxiao | broken url...any short cut url? |
| 13:58.06 | penguin42 | it's full of japanese |
| 13:58.14 | xxiao | http://openblocks.plathome.com/products/600/ ? |
| 13:58.16 | penguin42 | xxiao: http://openblocks.plathome.co.jp/products/ax3/ |
| 13:58.29 | penguin42 | oh that's easier :-) |
| 13:59.01 | penguin42 | xxiao: See the .jp one - the ax3 family is nice |
| 13:59.20 | xxiao | right somehow the non-jp site only has one product |
| 13:59.25 | penguin42 | yeh |
| 13:59.27 | xxiao | and it's based on powerpc |
| 13:59.43 | blahee | that openblocks 600 seems to be powerpc ... too late |
| 13:59.55 | penguin42 | xxiao: The ax3 is marvell armada xp, quad gig E, upto 3GB RAM, esata |
| 14:00.02 | blahee | OpenBlocks A is arm |
| 14:00.27 | penguin42 | pity it's ~550 GBP at cheapest |
| 14:00.55 | xxiao | close to 980 USD, plus tax/shipping |
| 14:01.14 | xxiao | who says japan's econoly was in a slump |
| 14:01.19 | xxiao | economy |
| 14:01.31 | xxiao | this is way high |
| 14:01.57 | penguin42 | yeh - although I don't know anyone else who does a quad ether ARM board |
| 14:13.41 | cheng | i'm having mele a1000, if i screw the nand flash, can i flash back recover back using pheonixCard through sd-card? |
| 14:23.52 | rz2k | cheng: yes, or using USB-OTG, it is unsoldered connector near SD card slot |
| 14:29.23 | cheng | rz2k: the USB-OTG is using livesuit recover, am i right? |
| 14:29.33 | rz2k | yes |
| 14:31.59 | cheng | rz2k: note, thanks. |
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| 15:26.15 | Marex | lundman: hey |
| 15:26.20 | Marex | hno: hey |
| 15:26.52 | Marex | guys, looks like calris has some trouble ... so, if there's gonna be some upstream push, channel the patches through me in the meantime please |
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| 15:58.58 | startling | what do you folks recommend for someone who wants to play with a cheap chinese tablet? |
| 16:13.20 | Marex | to play with expensive chineese tablet :p |
| 16:13.51 | rz2k | startling: ly-f1, runs android 4 and linaro. |
| 16:13.54 | rz2k | a10 tablet. |
| 16:17.10 | startling | rz2k: any specific one ya'll buy, or does that not matter? |
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| 16:26.44 | markvandenborre | any a10 device with an easy way to flash Debian to the nand? |
| 16:27.24 | markvandenborre | I guess it's more or less the same for all of them, but asking never hurts... |
| 16:40.43 | rm | what for |
| 16:53.33 | hno | Marex, what kind of trouble is calris in? |
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| 17:10.11 | revident | WarheadsSE or xenoxaos with the recent kernel code release and reports of working video (Fedora 13) for the VIA APC. How long do you think it will be until your Arch support is community ready? Is there a alpha or beta release that can be tested? |
| 17:11.12 | xenoxaos | we've both been incredibly busy as of late.... |
| 17:12.24 | xenoxaos | i have a list of things a mile long it seems |
| 17:14.54 | revident | xenoxaos, acknowledged. The reason I'm asking is that two of my colleagues at my local hackerspace have been using a Raspberry Pi I provided to setup a dedicated machine for on of our 3D printers. Having thought about it this weekend, and knowing that vidoe is now possible, the APC would actually be the better choice with the VGA and extra USB ports. They are already using Arch on the Pi, hence why I was following up with you. |
| 17:15.20 | xenoxaos | I should probably refork and modify the kernel again and start working on it... |
| 17:16.49 | revident | In case it's information you don't have already, but there are some Raspbian Images converted for the APC now. http://www.raspbian.org/ApricotImages |
| 17:17.08 | xenoxaos | I saw that |
| 17:19.12 | revident | It sadly hasn't been updated for new video driver code. But it's still early. Since I should expect Arch in the near future I'll have my colleagues stay the course with their project. Best wishes. |
| 17:19.24 | revident | shouldn't* |
| 17:20.05 | xenoxaos | lemme finish up my homework for my cs class this afternoon, then i'll poke around some more |
| 17:20.43 | rm | how does the APC's CPU compare to the A10? |
| 17:20.53 | xenoxaos | 800MHz iirc... |
| 17:21.07 | revident | it's also ARMv6, the A10 is ARMv7 |
| 17:21.23 | xenoxaos | both have fpu though |
| 17:21.33 | rm | mh |
| 17:21.38 | rm | so the A10 will run debian armhf |
| 17:21.45 | rm | but the APC will only run Raspbian etc |
| 17:22.55 | xenoxaos | or any armv5 compiled os |
| 17:23.21 | rm | right, I mean debian-based with hardfloat |
| 17:23.44 | xenoxaos | i'm not sure if thats compiled armv7h or armv6h |
| 17:24.08 | xenoxaos | there's only two consumer available chips with v6h so not many to target for |
| 17:24.54 | xenoxaos | we were actually going to pass on the v6h repo until someone gave us a donation asking us to work on another repo |
| 17:29.06 | rm | still, the APC is neat |
| 17:29.44 | Marex | xenoxaos: cs class ? :D |
| 17:30.00 | rm | wish they wouldn't fixate on Android 2.3 |
| 17:30.41 | xenoxaos | i started out in CS when i started college in 01....switch to psychology because i was a lazy slacker and the department was jerking me around with red tape |
| 17:30.48 | xenoxaos | graduated 5 years ago with psych |
| 17:31.03 | xenoxaos | now i work at a university....so i'm taking a few free classes |
| 17:31.31 | xenoxaos | learn some more structure to what is mostly haphazard programming |
| 17:32.10 | Marex | damn, and I thought I can be the bully here and tell you how easy it all is :p |
| 17:32.36 | xenoxaos | haha |
| 17:32.43 | xenoxaos | most of this class now is easy |
| 17:32.54 | xenoxaos | picked up about where i stopped caring in college |
| 17:33.28 | xenoxaos | add onto that some of the little side projects i've worked on over the years and it's a lot easier to learn now |
| 17:36.49 | furan | I need a good udev tutorial. trying to figure out how to take a usb device that has a driver it normally gets binded to or whatever, and cause that not to happen so I can write my own driver for it |
| 17:38.00 | xxiao | never enjoyed udev here |
| 17:38.20 | xxiao | the future is systemd? |
| 17:38.45 | furan | looks like |
| 17:41.30 | penguin42 | furan: I'm not sure that's a udev problem |
| 17:44.51 | furan | hmm ok |
| 17:44.53 | revident | furan, penguin42, udev is for defining the device nodes in /dev and doesn't deal with driver allocation at all. You'll want to look at modprobe and module handling in general |
| 17:45.03 | furan | ic |
| 17:45.26 | furan | I have a displayport device that I want to control myself from userspace, rather than the displayport driver picking it up |
| 17:45.45 | furan | I guess I could modify the displayport driver to ignore devices with the usb identifier for this particular display |
| 17:45.55 | furan | but I figured there might be a cleaner route |
| 17:46.21 | revident | I've not dealt directly with what your trying to do. Yes that is one option, you could also black-list the driver completely and write your own that binds to the USB ID |
| 17:47.10 | furan | hmm I see |
| 17:47.13 | penguin42 | some modules you can add id bindings via /sys |
| 17:47.19 | penguin42 | not sure you can remove them |
| 17:47.27 | furan | can you blacklist drivers that are linked into the kernel rather than being kernel modules? |
| 17:47.42 | revident | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_modules#Blacklisting |
| 17:48.30 | revident | furan, not sure about built-ins, you'll have to research. |
| 17:48.35 | furan | ok, thanks much |
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| 17:58.15 | Marex | furan: ohoho :) |
| 17:58.31 | Marex | furan: I was solving the same problem ... if it's a driver that's used only for that device, blacklisting is your choice |
| 17:58.52 | Marex | if the driver is -- like in my case -- HID driver, I didn't want to blacklist them all, but on a per-device basis |
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| 18:00.08 | drynish | Hi everyone ! :) |
| 18:01.36 | Marex | hello everypony |
| 18:01.43 | drynish | :) |
| 18:02.06 | drynish | I spoke with gimli long times ago... I didn't tought I was speaking with someone that active on the xbmc team |
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| 18:37.12 | xenoxaos | revident, as it stands right now....that kernel cannot be compiled hardfloat without the source for the provided binaries |
| 18:37.14 | xenoxaos | weeeee |
| 18:38.36 | revident | xenoxaos, joy........ |
| 18:39.21 | xenoxaos | and you can't do any 'make clean's on the source because you'd blow away the objects |
| 18:39.24 | xenoxaos | grumbles |
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| 19:23.20 | hno | furan, if it's a USB device then it's very easy to take over the device from userspace. See libusb_detach_kernel_driver() function. |
| 19:24.06 | hno | and for pretty much any device (not only PCI) you can detach them from any kernel driver via /sys |
| 19:24.17 | hno | s/PCI/USB/ |
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| 20:08.07 | rz2k | oh hell |
| 20:08.13 | rz2k | I've compiled mali r3p1 |
| 20:08.32 | rz2k | seems like ARM does not test their own releases |
| 20:09.06 | Turl | rz2k: why is that? |
| 20:09.20 | rz2k | it is total heap of crap starting from bogous configure.ac, ending with umplock_*.h defines from DDK |
| 20:09.30 | Turl | rz2k: we don't have r3p1 libs anyway |
| 20:09.44 | rz2k | I know, I'm just experimenting |
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| 22:29.14 | The-Compiler | gah, it seems confirmed, nobody seems to have a kernel which runs stable on the 1.7 hardware revision of the Mele. |
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| 22:30.59 | The-Compiler | guillaume from forum.doozan.com ordered 12 Meles to build a cluster (?!) and he somehow managed to get it kinda-running but not really stable :( |
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