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| 00:29.22 | naobsd | bkero: hi. if you have a spare time, could you try CWM on MK802? |
| 00:30.57 | bkero | argh, I lifted a solder pad |
| 00:31.41 | naobsd | you must be busy for soldering, sorry :) |
| 00:32.10 | bkero | naobsd: I'm a bit busy for that, sorry. |
| 00:32.22 | naobsd | no problem. |
| 00:34.39 | naobsd | I'm thinking to make small standalone program which touches /dev/disp to (e.g.)change display mode etc... is anyone already doing? |
| 00:36.51 | naobsd | there are a lot of parameters for ioctl() for /dev/disp... I'll try few params as like as screen0_output_{type,mode} at 1st |
| 00:44.25 | Turl | naobsd: there is a document explaining the parameters and ioctl calls |
| 00:46.10 | naobsd | turl: no doc. I just read source codes both userland and driver |
| 00:47.00 | naobsd | probably some(many) parameters are not clear |
| 00:47.53 | Turl | naobsd: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3laj53apqhajbt/A10_linux_display_driver_interface.xls |
| 00:54.56 | naobsd | Turl: thanks. it looks like doc in leaked source. I forgot it |
| 00:55.26 | Turl | yeah, same one |
| 00:55.35 | naobsd | and I'm still not sure ...like relation/dependency/sequence/etc between parameters |
| 00:55.58 | libv | naobsd: hi |
| 00:56.12 | naobsd | I hope I can understand individual params |
| 00:56.18 | naobsd | libv: hi |
| 00:56.41 | libv | all looks like pretty straightforward display stuff |
| 00:58.23 | naobsd | yup, it looks like very primitive things |
| 00:58.33 | libv | naobsd: so i take it you're mostly concentrating on A10 these days |
| 01:00.42 | naobsd | https://github.com/allwinner-ics/device_softwinner_craine-common/blob/master/hardware/libhardware/display/display.cpp this is the code between java and driver for Android |
| 01:01.22 | naobsd | there are some meta operation like as "how to use 2 fb and 2 display device?" |
| 01:03.05 | naobsd | I don't understand "a batch of operation" for them yet |
| 01:03.06 | libv | what is a display device? |
| 01:03.35 | libv | usually, when doing modesetting, you want to group things together, and have them execute at once |
| 01:04.22 | libv | nice, this code even uses the g2d stuff |
| 01:05.00 | libv | it is .cn fugly code though |
| 01:05.03 | naobsd | A10 support LCD/TV/HDMI/VGA output. (some of them may be same) and it should be able to operate some mode like as mirror/dual/etc |
| 01:06.30 | naobsd | .cn fu |
| 01:06.52 | libv | so it has multiple CRTCs which can be wired to one or more encoders, which then hit the attached connectors? |
| 01:07.13 | libv | yes, much of it should be held in a table |
| 01:07.35 | libv | much less errorprone too |
| 01:08.09 | naobsd | sorry, I don't know detail :( |
| 01:08.31 | naobsd | I just guessing it might be |
| 01:08.35 | naobsd | from reading codes |
| 01:10.21 | naobsd | as far as I know, only mirror mode is used in Android. actually, only 1 screen can be used from Android. so I don't know about hardware capability and wiring |
| 01:10.23 | libv | CRTC is the serializer (CRT controller), tends to generate the actual pixels (or lack thereof), and the related timing signals, such as pixel clock and syncs |
| 01:10.48 | libv | naobsd: i think there is something there though |
| 01:11.14 | libv | i think that gralloc/hw composer usage flags have a flag for external display or something |
| 01:11.32 | libv | but yes, android multiple crtc support is pretty rudimentary |
| 01:12.22 | libv | all this A10 code needs so much work :) |
| 01:13.55 | libv | dualdiffmode, dualsamechangemode, ... |
| 01:13.56 | libv | hrm |
| 01:15.05 | naobsd | I want to try DISPLAY_MODE_DUALDIFF |
| 01:15.45 | naobsd | to use internal LCD and external HDMI |
| 01:16.03 | naobsd | to show different picture |
| 01:16.46 | naobsd | there is a code in allwinner android source. so it may be used in somewhere... I don't use stock rom well so I'm not sure how it works lol |
| 01:18.26 | naobsd | standard procedure: buy new device -> try few hours -> disassemble or wipe stock rom -> try random things what I really want to do |
| 01:19.07 | naobsd | (sometimes disassemble before power on...) |
| 01:19.38 | libv | so are you using these hal bits on A10 devices? |
| 01:20.55 | naobsd | libv: well, "hal bits"? |
| 01:21.34 | naobsd | ioctls for /dev/disp? |
| 01:22.16 | libv | these hardware/ bits are parts of the android Hardware Abstraction Layer for this device |
| 01:22.28 | naobsd | ah |
| 01:22.55 | naobsd | so far I used my A10 tablet to run CyanogenMod |
| 01:23.19 | libv | yes, but you should still someone have some gralloc support going on in there |
| 01:23.22 | naobsd | not linux. CM uses Android HAL of course |
| 01:24.09 | naobsd | well |
| 01:24.10 | libv | i am very definitely talking about android here |
| 01:24.26 | naobsd | I used binary blobs :) |
| 01:24.42 | naobsd | I played it before allwinner sources are leaked |
| 01:24.47 | libv | seems like there is code right here |
| 01:24.57 | libv | which might be reasonably generic |
| 01:25.10 | naobsd | these codes were released after I started to my work |
| 01:25.18 | naobsd | s/to// |
| 01:25.38 | naobsd | there are also gralloc code |
| 01:25.54 | libv | ah, i see |
| 01:26.11 | naobsd | but some codes like as libEGL for mali are still closed |
| 01:26.18 | libv | naobsd: i know |
| 01:26.20 | steev | mnemoc: Turl: looks like the 10" tab is really close to zatab |
| 01:26.29 | libv | naobsd: you really did not tie this nick to a name, did you |
| 01:26.41 | libv | naobsd: how is your smartbook surfer doing? ;) |
| 01:27.04 | naobsd | bsd? |
| 01:27.07 | Turl | steev: :) |
| 01:27.21 | naobsd | well sorry smartbook is still sleeping on my desk ;) |
| 01:27.44 | Turl | what's a smartbook? :P |
| 01:27.46 | naobsd | I was busy for A10 and AML8726 and JZ4770 tablets :) |
| 01:28.12 | libv | Turl: crappy chinese telechips tablet from more than 2 years ago, marketed as such in germany |
| 01:28.19 | naobsd | no update for 6months or so for my telechips |
| 01:29.07 | libv | the thing is, gralloc does try to abstract some things |
| 01:29.50 | libv | so i am not sure how much integration really is needed for egl/mali and an SoCs gralloc/hwcomposer stuff |
| 01:30.20 | libv | this code is the first time that i do encounter DISPLAY_HARDWARE_MODULE_ID |
| 01:30.47 | Turl | libv: that's because the display dispatcher thing is allwinner only |
| 01:30.51 | Turl | not standard android |
| 01:31.33 | libv | ok :) |
| 01:33.14 | naobsd | err, no update for telechips and rockchips and... something I forgot it |
| 01:34.30 | naobsd | libv: many people is working for A10 and there is working source for it. it's really nice |
| 01:34.50 | naobsd | compared to other cheap chinese tablets |
| 01:35.35 | naobsd | I'm almost lazy for A10. just waiting output from others :) |
| 03:11.35 | steev | hmm |
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| 04:34.56 | naobsd | hmm. maybe I need to write a code that get supported HDMI mode > set HDMI mode to supported one |
| 04:36.28 | naobsd | I got a report that nothing is displayed on TV with my CWM for MK802. (I guess his TV doesn't support 720p 50Hz) |
| 04:39.18 | naobsd | it should be easy |
| 04:49.25 | naobsd | btw, I can't find interface to get raw EDID info :( |
| 05:22.08 | steev | naobsd: it's a pita |
| 06:30.19 | naobsd | another strange interface... we can specify 5 kinds of mode for disp_mode in [disp_init] section in script.bin |
| 06:32.24 | naobsd | 0:screen0=fb0 1:screen1=fb0 2:screen0=fb0 + screen1=fb1 3:screen0=fb0(top half) + screen1=fb0(bottom half) 4:screen0=fb0 + screen1=fb0(same as screen0) |
| 06:33.00 | naobsd | (ah, top half and bottom half may be incorrect) |
| 06:33.20 | naobsd | but only 4 modes, 0, 1, 3, and 4 can be specified via ioctl :( |
| 06:33.59 | naobsd | 3 can be used as 2 but... |
| 06:34.09 | naobsd | anyway, we have source. no problem ;) |
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| 06:59.18 | naobsd | oops. current "get & parse EDID" code is only for HDMI lol |
| 06:59.32 | lundman | heh yep |
| 07:04.13 | naobsd | change type/mode sequence: check which screen(0 and/or 1, probably only 0 is used on tablets) are used via DISP_CMD_FB_GET_PARA |
| 07:04.39 | naobsd | check type for each screen via DISP_CMD_GET_OUTPUT_TYPE |
| 07:05.09 | hno | bkero, yes there is four. The two "bottom" ones (based on orientation of chip text, not pin numbering) should be UART I think. |
| 07:05.13 | naobsd | turn screen off (e.g. DISP_CMD_LCD_OFF) |
| 07:05.50 | naobsd | set screen mode (e.g. DISP_CMD_HDMI_SET_MODE) |
| 07:06.05 | naobsd | turn screen on (e.g. DISP_CMD_HDMI_ON) |
| 07:07.23 | naobsd | one more stupid interface: DISP_CMD_HDMI_SUPPORT_MODE |
| 07:07.37 | naobsd | only 1 mode can be checked at one ioctl() |
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| 07:07.56 | naobsd | why it's not bitmap ;) |
| 07:08.12 | hno | bkero, it's also possible those four are JTAG. pins for UART and JTAG is both in that area and very close together (uart , other, jtag, jtag, on the outer most two rows in that area of the chip, from "bottom" of chip)) |
| 07:09.19 | hno | To the left of A10 marking. |
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| 07:14.54 | hno | http://i.imgur.com/XYZOs.jpg |
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| 08:03.26 | Triffid_Hunter | hi all, just been trawling the wikis and mailing list for info on the Mele A1000, thought I'd pop in here and get the latest - where are we at with these things in terms of arbitrary linux distros? |
| 08:11.16 | hno | Triffid_Hunter, there is still work pending on |
| 08:11.24 | hno | - framebuffer console |
| 08:11.31 | hno | - GPU support |
| 08:11.41 | hno | - Documentation |
| 08:11.49 | hno | - Preparing install images |
| 08:12.28 | hno | - 2D accereation for X11 |
| 08:19.48 | eebrah | hno: the link to the image you provided, is that the MK802? |
| 08:24.56 | Triffid_Hunter | hno: thanks |
| 08:25.35 | Triffid_Hunter | so if I want to plug in some usb serial and a webcam and chat to them over network I should be all good? |
| 08:26.08 | Triffid_Hunter | I've made arm rootfs before but have zero experience with uboot and the other crazy hardware stuff I'm seeing for the A10 |
| 08:26.41 | hno | eebrah, yes. |
| 08:27.59 | hno | Triffid_Hunter, if you use a codec that the ARM CPU can handle without acceleration then yes. |
| 08:32.16 | Triffid_Hunter | hno: not really interested in the graphics output at this stage, planning on using it to send gcode to a CNC and simultaneously watch it with webcam over network.. adding a screen at some point may be nice but I figure that'll come in time |
| 08:38.30 | eebrah | hno: Will arm-netbook be working on it too? or was that just something personal? |
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| 08:40.36 | naobsd | hmm, it seems small program is working... |
| 08:42.34 | naobsd | can anyone test my program? A10 device with CWM, adb, and HDMI display are necessary |
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| 09:25.04 | hno | naobsd, what is your program doing? |
| 09:25.28 | hno | do not have CWM or HDMI, but interested anyway. |
| 09:25.42 | hno | or adm.. |
| 09:25.45 | hno | s/m/b/ |
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| 09:41.15 | naobsd | hno: set display mode to HDMI |
| 09:41.57 | naobsd | hno: set display mode to HDMI and resolution which is supported by TV |
| 09:42.22 | naobsd | currently it's only for my CWM, it doesn't change display mode at all |
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| 16:16.21 | toxicpsion | anyone made progress on FBCON? been away for a while... still playing catch-up on the ML, and ibot. |
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| 16:21.16 | toxicpsion | ... or USB console for that matter? |
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| 16:37.44 | mnemoc | toxicpsion: not that I'm aware |
| 16:39.33 | toxicpsion | hno: how about anyone working on FES/Livesuite protocol? posted some .pcaps of a flash a while ago, but was away for work. kinda checking in now that i'm back :/ |
| 16:40.28 | toxicpsion | mnemoc: ^^ any ideas either? |
| 16:42.56 | toxicpsion | mnemoc: git://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner.git::allwinner-v3.0-android-v2 is preferred branch? |
| 16:42.56 | mnemoc | I know hno's prio was usb console on u-boot.... but recently he has been more worried about that broke sun4i support on upstream > 2011.9 |
| 16:43.15 | mnemoc | toxicpsion: yes |
| 16:43.35 | mnemoc | toxicpsion: that's the most decent branch |
| 16:43.49 | toxicpsion | k... who's wip is fbcon branch? |
| 16:43.59 | toxicpsion | known issues? |
| 16:44.08 | mnemoc | i started that, but haven't been able to continue it |
| 16:44.16 | toxicpsion | nm.... found my issue tracker link :P |
| 16:44.45 | mnemoc | disp/fb has some missing callbacks which make fbcon trigger NULL calls |
| 16:45.09 | toxicpsion | mostly palette stuff as far as i recall? |
| 16:45.19 | mnemoc | i tried to set those to some generic callbacks, but then they crashed because we don't have palette templates either |
| 16:45.23 | mnemoc | yes |
| 16:45.33 | mnemoc | s/templates/tables/ |
| 16:46.18 | toxicpsion | ah... k... cloning :P |
| 16:46.54 | mnemoc | the disp drivers is very ugly sa they implement it as a layer on top of other two ugly libraries |
| 16:47.24 | toxicpsion | i saw pieces of that in the sdk :( |
| 16:47.42 | mnemoc | somehow I believe we might be better reimplementing fb on top of the g2d driver... |
| 16:48.45 | mnemoc | it's cleaner |
| 16:49.21 | mnemoc | hard to say as I haven't had much time to look deeper |
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| 17:43.42 | hno | toxicpsion, I am slowly disassembling BROM with two goals, gain better understanding of simple USB device operation and reference fol FEL. |
| 17:44.29 | hno | and building the A10 Register Guide to support that effort |
| 17:45.46 | hno | toxicpsion, https://github.com/hno/Allwinner-Info/blob/master/ffff0000.s and http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide/ |
| 17:45.47 | penguin42 | hno: It might be worth keeping an eye on whether the layout happens to be coincidentally the same as any other ARM SoC |
| 17:46.06 | penguin42 | or similar in places |
| 17:47.47 | hno | there likely is similaries. but no traces of it in code. All Allwinner drivers there is layers of layers ending up in some os-independent layer.. |
| 17:49.18 | penguin42 | wishes chip guys wouldn't keep reinventing |
| 17:50.46 | penguin42 | hmm 1st time I've seen code commented in Chinese |
| 17:53.37 | specing | hno: Have you tried a decompiler? |
| 17:54.00 | specing | hno: As I recall, one of them is named "boomerang" |
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| 18:02.54 | mnemoc | afahs allwinner has been using the same FEL stuff since their oldest chips |
| 18:03.38 | mnemoc | found the handshake strings in a russian forum from like 5y ago |
| 18:03.48 | hno | specing, haven't seen a good free one. I know IDA Pro is good, but it's not free. |
| 18:04.35 | hno | mnemoc, yes it's an old protocol. And so is most of the basic I/O blocks. |
| 18:04.42 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: http://kailix.livejournal.com/ master * r459a4a2c200d /allwinner_a10/orders/Kail.mdwn: |
| 18:04.49 | hno | but Allwinner is not 5 years old yet. |
| 18:05.12 | mnemoc | copyright patches from Tom date it at 2007 |
| 18:05.37 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 18:08.10 | mnemoc | I can't find the mail where someone posted the handshake strings : |
| 18:08.14 | mnemoc | :< |
| 18:08.43 | specing | How many people work for them (AW)? |
| 18:09.36 | mnemoc | in an interview in linaro connect they said they have over 50 people working on software |
| 18:10.23 | mnemoc | so let's assume that's a 2x or 3x? |
| 18:10.34 | hno | right.. 2007 is 5 years ago now.. |
| 18:10.41 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:10.47 | hno | is a bit behind his time... |
| 18:11.43 | tallnerd1985 | Who is Linaro, I keep seeing their name pop up but don't understand what they do |
| 18:12.37 | hno | tallnerd1985, they are a non-profit organisation where almost whole Linux ARM industry is members. |
| 18:12.43 | hno | http://www.linaro.org/about/ |
| 18:13.13 | mnemoc | and linaro connect is a event, last happened in hongkong two? weeks ago |
| 18:13.25 | tallnerd1985 | I see, anybody have a chance to compile a kernel using their new toolchain that's supposably faster |
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| 18:16.48 | mnemoc | tallnerd1985: the key of their improvements in the armv7 optimized strings library |
| 18:17.06 | mnemoc | which need to be mainlined into the different libc projects |
| 18:18.34 | hno | which will happen I am sure. Linaro is quite focused on mainlingn stuff to reduce maintenance costs. |
| 18:18.55 | hno | and make life easier in general. |
| 18:19.48 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r29ae6e8d39f6 /allwinner_a10/orders/ (guille.mdwn guille1234567890.mdwn): order processing cleanup |
| 18:20.11 | tallnerd1985 | That's cool. The other project out where they port Android to C#, is that even a worthwhile thing for Google to consider? |
| 18:20.16 | hno | hmm... iMX53 is supported for Android only? |
| 18:21.06 | hno | or.. not... Available for Android only but not supported. |
| 18:21.29 | toxicpsion | hno: https://github.com/hno/Allwinner-Info/blob/master/FEL-usb/G2_Flash_LyF1_Pre_rev_ffff_switch.1.usb.pcap is from me. have some protocol reversing done here too. i'll get it posted for you. |
| 18:22.09 | Turl | toxicpsion: what do you use to do the captures btw? |
| 18:22.41 | toxicpsion | livesuite on win7 in Virtualbox. wireshark on debian under that. |
| 18:23.16 | hno | wireshark knows many kinds of wires.. |
| 18:23.16 | toxicpsion | have to do all my flashes from a vm... no win boxes left in the house :P |
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| 18:29.22 | toxicpsion | that flash is: a Ly-F1 rom onto a gemei G2 -> up untill the point it loads FEL, and disconnects and reconnects with same VID/PID but rev FFFF instead of 02B3. |
| 18:31.17 | hno | which is the interesing part where BROM does it's thing |
| 18:32.15 | toxicpsion | ya.. it seemed a logical break to not have a 250MB dump too. |
| 18:38.48 | Turl | toxicpsion: nice |
| 18:38.52 | Turl | toxicpsion: I flash on a VM too :P |
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| 19:26.54 | hno | toxicpsion, want git access to dump you findings? |
| 19:35.27 | tallnerd1985 | So what's your guys main goal of work here? I know it's based around the A10 chip but is there a particular device being worked on? |
| 19:36.43 | DonkeyHotei | many |
| 19:37.50 | tallnerd1985 | Does the same source code work on all A10 units? |
| 19:38.03 | hno | tallnerd1985, pretty much. |
| 19:39.10 | hno | there is some differences in peripherials which is troubkesome for Android, but the same Linux works on all. |
| 19:42.41 | hno | specing, boomerang seems a dead project and lacks arm support? |
| 19:43.54 | tallnerd1985 | Last question, I just ordered the MK802 and from the specs, it's supposably a A10 device but the only thing that threw me off was under GPU it mention AMD instead of the Mali-400, is that correct? |
| 19:44.46 | tallnerd1985 | I thought AMD sold off their arm production to PowerVR |
| 19:46.56 | hno | tallnerd1985, who says it's amd? |
| 19:47.26 | tallnerd1985 | Couple different purchasing websites actually |
| 19:50.20 | tallnerd1985 | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/568711444-New-released-1G-RAM-4GB-ROM-Android4-0-IPTV-google-tv-smart-android-box-allwinner-A10-wholesalers.html |
| 19:51.48 | rm | chinese would fubar their descriptions like that often |
| 19:51.52 | rm | pay no attention |
| 19:52.29 | hno | aliexpress is aliexpress. |
| 19:52.53 | tallnerd1985 | Okay, that puts me at ease |
| 19:53.03 | mnemoc | they rarely have any idea what they are selling |
| 19:54.14 | rm | also that's a suboptimal place to order, another one had them for $78 |
| 19:54.55 | rm | $74, even |
| 19:54.56 | rm | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/563764893-Freeshipping-Rikomagic-MK802-Mini-PC-Mini-Android4-0-dongle-android-IPTV-google-tv-smart-android-box-wholesalers.html |
| 19:57.47 | tallnerd1985 | I got mine for $54/unit but that was a bulk order |
| 19:57.59 | hno | Heh. it's worse. rikumagic themselves don't have a clue. |
| 19:58.23 | hno | s/um/om/ |
| 19:58.38 | hno | http://rikomagic.com/En/productlist.asp?id=38 |
| 19:58.59 | hno | tallnerd1985, how many did you buy? |
| 19:59.24 | tallnerd1985 | We bought 20, it was a group purchase |
| 19:59.54 | rm | customs would shoot that down in a blink |
| 19:59.55 | rm | here |
| 20:00.12 | tallnerd1985 | That blows |
| 20:00.36 | Turl | rm: here they'd even shoot 1 unit if it's on registered mail :P |
| 20:00.59 | tallnerd1985 | Where do you guys live? |
| 20:01.16 | Turl | tallnerd1985: Argentina here |
| 20:01.34 | rm | Russia |
| 20:01.43 | hno | tallnerd1985, for 54 per unit you have plenty of margin for customs. |
| 20:01.54 | hno | Sweden |
| 20:01.59 | rm | have no problems with single items or a lot of different items in one package; but from what I heard a lot of identical items in a package is a no-no |
| 20:02.26 | tallnerd1985 | Never heard of that before, so strange |
| 20:02.26 | Turl | here tax exemption max is 25US/calendar year |
| 20:02.33 | rm | wow |
| 20:02.38 | rm | here, 1000 Euro per month |
| 20:03.29 | hno | here it's 0 unless you bring the stuff yourself. |
| 20:04.03 | Turl | if you bring the stuff yourself I think the limit is higher |
| 20:04.06 | mnemoc | hno: were you taxed for your mele? |
| 20:04.10 | Turl | something ~200-300US |
| 20:04.15 | hno | mnemoc, no. |
| 20:05.17 | hno | only delayed for more than a week for customs processing. |
| 20:06.04 | mnemoc | I have a $4 12V power adapter held since may 19th :-/ |
| 20:06.32 | tallnerd1985 | That's intense |
| 20:06.48 | hno | Tom (and most aliexpress sellers) shipped it as gift which is not taxed unless customs disagrees on it being a gift. |
| 20:07.03 | hno | or it being above some limit which I don't remember. |
| 20:07.51 | Turl | mnemoc: ouch :) |
| 20:08.05 | Turl | mnemoc: I had my arduino held since ~ may 25 |
| 20:08.19 | Turl | it arrived on friday |
| 20:08.40 | mnemoc | normally here (.es) if it's not big and not express they don't care |
| 20:09.19 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah, pretty much the same |
| 20:09.25 | mnemoc | I think they just forgot my parcel in a dark and wet corner of their warehouse |
| 20:09.39 | Turl | mnemoc: give them a call :) |
| 20:09.51 | Turl | mnemoc: maybe the tracking just didnt get updated |
| 20:11.19 | mnemoc | Turl: I would ave received something... the power adapter or a letter asking for an explaination of theof what's inside |
| 20:12.24 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah, it works the same way here |
| 20:12.38 | Turl | mnemoc: but sometimes they 'forget' to sell you the customs paper to go and pick it up :P |
| 20:12.55 | Turl | so you call and they tell you it's ready to be picked up |
| 20:13.03 | mnemoc | good point |
| 20:13.06 | Turl | and you can go and pick it up with the tracking number and your ID |
| 20:14.51 | mnemoc | I won't fly to madrid for a $4 power adapter :) |
| 20:15.20 | Turl | mnemoc: lol, they make you fly? :P |
| 20:15.27 | Turl | mnemoc: here I just go to the local post office |
| 20:15.32 | Turl | which has a customs office inside :) |
| 20:15.51 | mnemoc | the post office here doesn' know about packages until they get released |
| 20:16.23 | Turl | you can see the customs people getting packages off those big 'jail' boxes and passing them through what I believe is an X-Ray machine or something |
| 20:27.24 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r18de5c30e7e3 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/script_for_installing_debian_on_sdcard.mdwn: see what happens replace < and > with < and > |
| 20:28.33 | zenitraM | mnemoc: if you want me to go pick your $4 i can, although the transport will cost me more than that :P |
| 20:28.48 | zenitraM | s/4/4 adapter/ |
| 20:29.51 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r920ee10454fe /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/script_for_installing_debian_on_sdcard.mdwn: see what happens replace < and > with < and > |
| 20:30.18 | mnemoc | zenitraM: thanks, I will take your offer if I get something worthy held there |
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| 20:35.14 | Turl | zenitraM: your transport is expensive :P |
| 21:34.23 | steev | http://0xbenchmark.appspot.com/public the MID970 is the new tablet |
| 21:42.01 | Turl | steev: congratz, it's better than a eeepc xD |
| 21:42.57 | steev | heh |
| 21:44.23 | Turl | steev: you're better than amd brazos too |
| 21:45.17 | Turl | steev: http://i.imgur.com/VS1SH.png |
| 21:46.24 | steev | yeah, i haven't really compared it |
| 21:46.31 | steev | just ran the benchmark :) |
| 21:46.43 | Turl | the middle one is a 4+1 tegra 3 |
| 21:46.45 | steev | it works to read books, and play angry birds, and google chrome runs on it so |
| 21:47.02 | Turl | yeah reading is good, I use it for reading uni pdfs :P |
| 21:47.28 | Turl | the kindle touch just couldn't do it right |
| 21:47.57 | steev | i use it for schematics and tech docs mostly |
| 21:48.00 | steev | ted talks as well |
| 21:49.17 | Turl | I read algebra, calculus stuff |
| 22:06.42 | zenitraM | i've got a transformer prime lended for a few months from uni |
| 22:07.12 | zenitraM | it would be perfect if it had a real operating system... |
| 22:07.31 | Turl | there's ubuntu for the transformers iirc |
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| 22:10.15 | zenitraM | for the prime only a chroot with an ugly x11-over-vnc-to-localhost |
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| 23:59.38 | hno | specing, the only ARM decompiler that seems to exists is Hex-Rays IDA modujle. |
