| 00:00.18 | lundman | anything bootable at all? |
| 00:00.33 | mikey_w | I would prefer not to flash the a1000's nand. |
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| 00:01.26 | hno | first you say it's a boat anchor, then that the NAND have value? |
| 00:01.45 | mikey_w | It plays netflix nice. |
| 00:02.33 | hno | mine flashes the power led occationally |
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| 00:02.49 | mikey_w | Very exciting. |
| 00:03.25 | hno | well, now it gets further and actually boots so it's a happy night. |
| 00:03.40 | mikey_w | Boot into what? |
| 00:03.48 | hno | u-boot |
| 00:04.26 | mikey_w | wonderful. |
| 00:05.12 | hno | yes, much nicer than sudden complete silence. |
| 00:05.17 | mikey_w | Dinner time so later. |
| 00:07.06 | jimyx17 | is flash supported by the latest u-boot version? |
| 00:07.11 | naobsd | hmm, I understand default display output can be changed via script.bin |
| 00:07.41 | hno | jimyx17, flash is supported in the andoid u-boot version, but not in the mmc version. |
| 00:07.46 | naobsd | now I can use my NOVO7 Advanced(800x480 LCD) with 720p screen :) |
| 00:08.17 | naobsd | CWM can work with HDMI output without any special code |
| 00:09.27 | naobsd | I understand my CWM can run on A10 Android box w/o LCD |
| 00:10.11 | jimyx17 | hno: and what about eth support? |
| 00:10.35 | hno | jimyx17, that's not supported in either version. |
| 00:10.37 | naobsd | oh, audio is not routed to HDMI... |
| 00:10.53 | hno | naobsd, different settings in script.bin. |
| 00:12.24 | naobsd | looking... |
| 00:12.54 | jimyx17 | ouch.. it would be nice to be able to upgrade u-boot from a tftp server |
| 00:13.50 | naobsd | hmm, no idea where :( |
| 00:14.04 | naobsd | spdif? |
| 00:14.21 | naobsd | i2s_dout[0123]? |
| 00:15.03 | naobsd | maybe audio_pa_ctrl |
| 00:15.43 | naobsd | I think I need to know which pin is connected to HDMI audio ;) |
| 00:16.16 | hno | Hmm.. right. no it's not script.bin. That change is in software. Different audio controllers. |
| 00:17.35 | hno | now I am annoyed.. why do all my attemts in unsilencing SPL crash, even crashing code executing before my change.. |
| 00:21.11 | naobsd | hno: thanks |
| 00:21.52 | naobsd | I had no interest to HDMI output but my friend got MK802 so I need to setup similar environment |
| 00:28.47 | naobsd | oh, I noticed my CM9 with A10 ICS kernel is faster than CM9 with AML8726-M GB kernel :( |
| 00:29.34 | naobsd | AML8726-M is faster in Linpack(CPU) but 3D is slower |
| 00:30.18 | naobsd | I thought 1280x720 screen is too large but now I tested A10 with 1280x720 |
| 00:31.25 | naobsd | I heard ICS kernel(3.0.8) is faster on same AML8726-M tablet. |
| 00:31.34 | naobsd | maybe mali setting is different... |
| 00:32.43 | Turl | A10 has Mali 400MP I believe |
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| 00:35.07 | Turl | maybe the # of mali cores is different |
| 00:39.37 | naobsd | and AML8726-M too |
| 00:39.46 | naobsd | both should have single core |
| 00:40.11 | naobsd | as far as I know(but I don't know any official info) |
| 00:43.37 | hno | u-boot now updated to v2012.04.01. |
| 00:46.56 | lundman | \o/ |
| 00:47.32 | hno | still silent SPL, but it works and loads u-boot where console do work. |
| 00:48.02 | lundman | nice |
| 00:48.27 | hno | need to solve the SPL console issue for another task. |
| 00:48.47 | hno | but not tonight. |
| 00:49.29 | lundman | I'm just waiting for someone to make an image I can try :) |
| 00:49.48 | hno | Hm... maybe the UART clock do not get initialized proper? |
| 00:58.40 | hno | no it's not that.. I think... |
| 01:14.01 | hno | but it must be... or else why would the code banging directly on the uart also not display.. |
| 01:28.05 | jimyx17 | hno: have you got it? Can I help in someway? |
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| 01:45.58 | hno | jimyx17, got what? |
| 01:47.06 | hno | still fighting with SPL output... |
| 01:47.22 | jimyx17 | the spl output... |
| 01:49.12 | hno | jimyx17, https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/issues/7 |
| 01:50.01 | lundman | wonder if I can put uboot+OS on a 2.5" SDD and boot something on mele |
| 01:52.11 | hno | lundman, A10 can not boot from SATA. You need to load u-boot & kernel from nand or sdcard. |
| 01:52.33 | hno | there is no A10 SATA driver in u-boot (yet) |
| 01:52.42 | lundman | ok, so i can at least put a play OS on sdcard |
| 01:52.48 | hno | yes |
| 01:53.14 | lundman | and sounds like if I felt like it, I could add a10 sata to uboot |
| 01:53.47 | hno | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/#index3h1 |
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| 01:58.45 | hno | lundman, yes. It's an AHCI controller with some minor tweaks. See https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commit/5080a650d1c91e6da2f29d4480bbf7e44b08cfad#diff-2 |
| 02:00.37 | lundman | looks fairly straight forward |
| 02:01.20 | lundman | we'll see if my uboot patches ever get accepted first :) |
| 02:04.55 | hno | well, sun4i sata is a sun4i patch so I'd accept that one ;) |
| 02:05.48 | hno | except that there is a slight license question on the Linux driver code.. no license stated. |
| 02:06.20 | lundman | heh yeah, I just assumed your uboot repo was like cubox, a terrible mess that would never go upstream ;) |
| 02:06.42 | lundman | i tried to clean their stuff up, but they even re-wrote the top makefiles etc, sigh |
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| 02:16.28 | hipboi | hno: i am going to solve the license problem today |
| 02:20.11 | DonkeyHotei | miracles do happen! |
| 02:23.49 | ZaEarl | that's great news hipboi |
| 02:25.03 | hno | hipboi, hi! You got clearance? |
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| 02:26.43 | hno | lundman, hipboi did a great job of cleaning up the mmc uboot. |
| 02:27.10 | lundman | oh yeah the a10 uboot is very clean |
| 02:31.24 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r673562b9d637 /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide/A10_SATA.mdwn: |
| 02:31.58 | hno | hipboi ^^ that comment from lundman is for you ;-) |
| 02:32.44 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r39fcd9801407 /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide/A10_SATA.mdwn: |
| 02:33.59 | hipboi | lundman: yes, because no historic code in u-boot |
| 02:34.58 | hipboi | well, there are still some in the android u-boot code |
| 02:35.17 | hipboi | the nand driver and the usb |
| 02:36.53 | lundman | I just know the code cubox did was a terrible hackjob, so it was a nice surprise to patch my code to a10's uboot :) |
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| 05:36.39 | naobsd | http://review.cyanogenmod.com/17104 any comment about "I'm curious ..." part? ;) |
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| 05:42.39 | naobsd | hmm. android.permission.REBOOT is only for system app... then it should not be a real problem ;) |
| 05:51.58 | killerkink | naobsd: are you using r2p4-02rel1? |
| 05:52.46 | naobsd | killerkink: no. I'm still using stock kernel/modules. |
| 05:54.06 | killerkink | naobsd: i wonder if there is any benefit to use r2p4-02rel1 over r2p4-02rel0. |
| 05:54.39 | killerkink | naobsd: the 3.0.31 mali branch is usable |
| 05:56.04 | naobsd | I don't know any changelog/release notes about mali driver |
| 05:58.28 | naobsd | hmm I'm using r2p4-01dev0 on my NOVO7Adv. it's taken from official rom and probably works well |
| 05:59.38 | killerkink | I am also using r2p4-01dev0 but running on 3.0.31 |
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| 06:18.17 | killerkink | hipboi: will there be a linux-based livesuit? |
| 06:20.53 | hno | killerkink, mostl iikely not. |
| 06:21.14 | hno | but very likely there will be Linux tools for booting A10 over USB. |
| 06:22.26 | killerkink | hno: hipboi did say yes. but the timeline he spoke off earlier has already past. :) |
| 06:22.58 | killerkink | hno: booting over usb is good for development but not flashing firmware |
| 06:24.02 | killerkink | hno: hmm... maybe some app to boot up and then flash firmware? |
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| 06:35.59 | hipboi | killerkink: i have no news of the linux livesuite |
| 06:36.08 | hipboi | but i think there will be |
| 06:36.24 | killerkink | hipboi: ok, thanks. just interested to know. |
| 06:36.25 | hipboi | because the growing mac os users |
| 06:36.39 | hipboi | so there will be multi platform tools |
| 06:36.56 | hipboi | thanks to mac os, there will be linux version |
| 06:37.01 | killerkink | hipboi: if there is, a livecd can be effective as not everyone has a license windows machine. :) |
| 06:37.29 | killerkink | wow! what a twist! |
| 06:38.01 | DonkeyHotei | killerkink: new macs can't boot linux livecd's |
| 06:38.34 | killerkink | Donkeyhotei: i dont have a mac. :) more like x86-based machine |
| 06:39.11 | DonkeyHotei | yes, but if macs are the impetus, they have no incentive for a livecd |
| 06:39.43 | hipboi | i mean they will develop a mac os version of livesuite, so linux version is just by the way. |
| 06:40.38 | killerkink | Donkeyhotei: if there is commandline tool, livecd can be diy |
| 06:41.28 | killerkink | hipboi: i hope so. will there be comandline tool or pure graphical? |
| 06:42.57 | DonkeyHotei | hipboi: what would be ideal would be a unified mac/linux commandline version of livesuit released as source code under a gpl-compatible license (not necessarily gpl itself) |
| 06:43.19 | lundman | yes |
| 06:43.40 | lundman | I had to load VM to be able to run livesuite.. nobody should be force to run windows :) |
| 06:44.45 | killerkink | donkeyhotei: lets have something in linux first. :) |
| 06:45.37 | DonkeyHotei | killerkink: the libusb api is the same on mac and linux, so only more minor #ifdef's would be needed |
| 06:46.01 | lundman | if you use libusb on osx, it is close enough. only 2 functions missing |
| 06:46.08 | DonkeyHotei | exactly |
| 06:46.15 | lundman | if you use the osx's own, that's quite different |
| 06:46.45 | DonkeyHotei | that's why i'm really hoping hipboi can influence that decision |
| 06:47.22 | killerkink | donkeyhotei: having source is definitely a plus. |
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| 07:09.29 | naobsd | does anyone have MK802? |
| 07:11.39 | mnemoc | hipboi: :D got authorized?! |
| 07:12.05 | mnemoc | hipboi: or only sun3i for now? |
| 07:13.03 | hno | killerkink, booting over USB is very good for flashing on any device but the mele. |
| 07:13.48 | hno | but I don't care much about the flashing part at this stage. Focus is on booting. What the booted linux system then does is others headache. |
| 07:14.04 | killerkink | hno: android have adb. :) |
| 07:14.14 | killerkink | and cwm |
| 07:15.21 | mnemoc | hno: noted https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commit/d6db53fd3f289e414f78eccb6d3326e4beba30ea ? :D |
| 07:15.22 | hno | killerkink, new windows boxes won't be able to boot Linux live CD:s... |
| 07:15.33 | rm | my MK802 tracks as exported from china |
| 07:16.47 | hno | mnemoc, whoho! but.. sun3i? |
| 07:17.04 | mnemoc | hno: it's a begining :) |
| 07:17.31 | hno | yes. |
| 07:18.59 | hno | 5 hours ago: <hipboi> hno: i am going to solve the license problem today |
| 07:19.13 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 07:19.31 | killerkink | hno: sigh. yeah. but i think ubuntu/redhat trying to do something about it |
| 07:20.11 | mnemoc | hno: any idea why there is an static uart0 in rch/arch/mach-sun4i/devices.c beside the 8 uarts in 8250_sunxi.c? |
| 07:20.34 | hno | killerkink, yes, but that something relies on microsoft being willing to sign someone elses generic bootloader. |
| 07:20.47 | mnemoc | killerkink: fedora gave up and they will buy a developer key from microsoft |
| 07:21.10 | mnemoc | hno: which is doubtful? |
| 07:22.36 | mnemoc | eagerly waiting for someone to sue MS for extortion and antitrust for trying to use their advantage in x86 to destroy the future of high end arm |
| 07:22.50 | hno | mnemoc, i don't trust anything in that direction until it's done and accepted. |
| 07:23.29 | hno | mnemoc, microsoft plays the trusted boot path even harder on arm. |
| 07:24.14 | mnemoc | in x86 vendors are allowed to have an option to disable trusted boot, in arm they are *forbidden* to allow such thing... that's abuse |
| 07:25.26 | rm | https://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-android-2-3-hd-1080p-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-usb-av-tf-blue-134679 |
| 07:25.30 | rm | another one arrived on dx |
| 07:25.55 | mnemoc | even if MS doesn't have any monopoly in the arm world today, they are in a position of power over the vendors who will make the arm-based desktop competitors |
| 07:27.21 | mnemoc | not counting the current extortion over android vendors with please-dont-sue-us agreements |
| 07:28.26 | naobsd | CWM can be used to put any files into files system on internal NAND and/or write image to partition. it's just a tool, not only for Android. |
| 07:29.03 | naobsd | u-boot has fastboot mode. it may be usable too. |
| 07:29.13 | mnemoc | naobsd: isn't it's source rely in CM's android? |
| 07:29.52 | mnemoc | naobsd: CWM I mean, to compile it |
| 07:29.59 | naobsd | mnemoc: ah, you need to get CM sources to *build* CWM, but |
| 07:30.37 | naobsd | mnemoc: you can use CWM w/o source if someone compile CWM for your device |
| 07:38.16 | killerkink | naobsd: true. just like adb can also be use for generic linux |
| 07:39.45 | naobsd | CWM can act as USB mass storage device. usually it exports SD card but it can be changed e.g. export rootfs partition on internal NAND flash which is used for Linux |
| 07:40.17 | hno | naobsd, u-boot do not have fastboot. The android hacked u-boot for A10 have fastboot, but it's quite a mess. |
| 07:41.16 | naobsd | hno: sorry, I mentioned uboot for A10. I only tried to send "reboot" command and I didn't know it's a mess |
| 07:43.40 | naobsd | CWM nor fastboot is not necessary for someone who knows u-boot ;) |
| 07:44.14 | hno | naobsd, nothing to be sorry about. |
| 07:44.22 | mnemoc | most^most A10 ours don't know u-boot :p |
| 07:44.35 | mnemoc | s/iyrs/users/ |
| 07:44.39 | mnemoc | f*... coffee |
| 07:44.43 | naobsd | for me it's useful because I don't have serial console yet on my NOVO7 :) |
| 07:44.44 | hno | too much? |
| 07:45.02 | mnemoc | hno: possibly |
| 07:45.15 | hno | if I manage to get USB support in the shape I want then serial console is no longer needed for u-boot. |
| 07:45.40 | mnemoc | that will be huge |
| 07:47.12 | hno | yes.. but need to document the allwinner USB interface a bit to figure out how to map it to what u-boot expects. Plus get the license sorted out.. |
| 07:47.34 | naobsd | (saying sorry too much, is japanese traditional style, sorry) |
| 07:47.39 | naobsd | ;) |
| 07:48.41 | hno | well, uboot side is also quite a mess with plenty of copy-paste instead of sharing common parts. |
| 07:50.43 | mnemoc | OT: any quick hint about how to add the allwinner meta to a fresh checkout of openembedded? |
| 07:55.37 | mnemoc | so "layer" is the word |
| 07:58.28 | hno | mnemoc, apparently you just drop it next to the other layers.. but somewhere you need to say which layers to use. |
| 08:02.01 | hno | check out the layers you neeed within the oe-core checkout. Then edit conf/bblayers.conf to list them. |
| 08:02.45 | hno | mnemoc, https://github.com/woglinde/meta-java/wiki was the only description I could find in a 5 sec search. |
| 08:03.20 | mnemoc | hno: you G-fu is better than mine :) |
| 08:03.47 | mnemoc | thanks! |
| 08:05.16 | hno | mnemoc: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commit/a6999ea079961c65429b0f18137713cc64ff8607 !!! |
| 08:05.35 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 08:05.40 | mnemoc | hipboi: I love you! :D |
| 08:08.28 | naobsd | great! |
| 08:29.19 | hno | mnemoc, https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commit/cd3d67609055fb0fbd3ccfee9b1a90d4898959be !! |
| 08:29.39 | mnemoc | now that was unexpected |
| 08:30.22 | hno | bows to hipboi & Allwinner |
| 08:31.41 | hno | forgets about kernel & u-boot for a while and digs into brom & fel. |
| 08:32.16 | mnemoc | u266a go hipboi go (add inspector gadget's music) |
| 08:32.18 | mnemoc | err |
| 08:33.02 | mnemoc | ♪ go hipboi go ♫ (add inspector gadget's music) |
| 08:33.13 | hno | and everyone: Please try to contribute to the A10 register guide at http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide/ even if only mentioning what each controller is and linking to relevant kernel/uboot sources. |
| 08:37.57 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r5f612c235652 /allwinner_a10/A10_USB.mdwn: |
| 08:38.33 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r6bde30e3aa3d /allwinner_a10/A10_USB.mdwn: |
| 08:40.49 | hno | lkcl, can you please move the register guide pages down to their correct folder. A10 USB, A10 EMAC should both move from /allwinner_a10/ to /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide/ |
| 08:41.30 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r967b72849ae0 /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide/A10_SATA.mdwn: |
| 08:43.15 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * rbd7c9b2173cf /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide.mdwn: |
| 08:43.39 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r9d34e45d3b91 /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide.mdwn: |
| 08:47.01 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r6dca72ffdfe8 /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide.mdwn: |
| 08:47.01 | hipboi | mnemoc: ) |
| 08:47.20 | hipboi | i just found there are A LOT to clean |
| 08:47.27 | mnemoc | :D |
| 08:50.02 | mnemoc | hipboi: you've made this my happiest day in a long time |
| 08:53.03 | hno | is double happy. First figuring out why u-boot crashes, then A10 kernel getting GPL liberated! |
| 08:54.39 | mnemoc | hno: what was the problem with the new uboot? |
| 08:56.16 | hno | mnemoc, CPU initialization code for OMAP that crashes several other ARMs.. |
| 08:56.54 | hno | not sure yet why it crashes the A10. It "should work"... |
| 08:58.29 | hno | https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/commit/e5c65949669b13261f3ef3446d28ffd5074565e9 |
| 08:59.01 | mnemoc | :) |
| 08:59.39 | hno | Still have not figured out why console output do not work in SPL however. https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/issues/7 |
| 08:59.53 | hno | did work fine before u-boot update. |
| 09:00.20 | hno | even have problems with early (direct UART) output. |
| 09:00.30 | mnemoc | uh |
| 09:01.38 | hno | If I output a little then it gets sent. If I output a bit more then nothing.. |
| 09:01.52 | hno | very confusing. |
| 09:02.03 | mnemoc | irq related maybe? |
| 09:02.11 | hno | maybe. |
| 09:02.23 | hno | or clock. |
| 09:05.19 | hno | any idea how to control the mele power led? |
| 09:06.24 | hno | as an easy alternative debug output signal. One bit is better than nothing. |
| 09:09.01 | mnemoc | it's probably connected to that microcontroller they use for the remote |
| 09:10.56 | hno | hope not... |
| 09:25.14 | hno | blue seems to be vcc powered. red I/O powered form somewhere. |
| 09:27.40 | mnemoc | the AXP and the microcontroller seem to have all pin connections exposed |
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| 09:33.28 | sepp | how do i get my mele to use vga out? |
| 09:33.42 | sepp | i can not read the labels on the remote |
| 09:34.26 | hno | mnemoc, do you have the mele script.bin in fex format somewhere? |
| 09:34.52 | hno | sepp, second button below power button. Square with an arrow out. |
| 09:35.04 | sepp | ahh, thanks |
| 09:35.21 | hno | but mine seems to suddenly autodetect VGA if connected at poweron. |
| 09:35.33 | mnemoc | hno: http://dpaste.com/755072/plain/ |
| 09:36.03 | mnemoc | hno: newer firmware? |
| 09:36.06 | hno | you need to press the button a numbre of times (at least twice). First press only brings up the feedback on which output is currently selected |
| 09:38.24 | sepp | ahh, 3 times did it |
| 09:40.33 | hno | Hmm where was that boot loader manual again? |
| 09:42.57 | hno | nothing useful there. |
| 09:48.30 | mnemoc | hno: you wanted the documented .fex ? |
| 09:49.05 | mnemoc | hno: is it from Tom's image https://raw.github.com/amery/sunxi-bin-archive/master/mele-a1000/sys_config1.evb.fex |
| 09:49.25 | mnemoc | but compiling that one gets you broke ethernet iirc |
| 09:49.55 | mnemoc | should diff them.... |
| 09:50.18 | hno | that one is not the mele one I think. |
| 09:51.24 | hno | looks quite broken to me. More like a template. |
| 09:53.28 | mnemoc | yes |
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| 10:12.00 | sepp | vga out looks like i took my glasses off |
| 10:13.41 | mnemoc | uh |
| 10:15.08 | sepp | i see ghosting effects |
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| 10:26.55 | sepp | where can i find android 4 images for a2000? |
| 10:27.25 | sepp | the android updater does not even list any update >1.3 |
| 10:31.05 | lundman | zorzcebooga guy had android 4 image |
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| 10:40.32 | sepp | connection to mele.cn is really slow |
| 10:41.44 | sepp | they must have ip over cargo ships |
| 10:44.08 | lundman | https://www.wuala.com/zercosz/Mele%20A2000/Firmware/?key=ThisIsFC2012 |
| 10:44.09 | lundman | ? |
| 10:44.46 | mnemoc | 4.0 older than 1.6? |
| 10:45.04 | lundman | yeah I never tried that 1.6 |
| 10:45.37 | mnemoc | http://www.mele.cn/download/mele_HTPC_v1.6.rar is sightly newer, 2012-05-11 |
| 10:53.12 | zenitraM | yup, that 4.0 is a beta that popped out of somewhere |
| 10:54.21 | sepp | i put such an image onto an sd card and boot? |
| 10:55.09 | lundman | use the phoenixcard program to put on ds card |
| 10:55.15 | lundman | boot wait for led to stop blinking |
| 10:56.05 | sepp | phoenixcard? |
| 10:56.14 | mnemoc | a windows app :-/ |
| 10:56.24 | sepp | have wine |
| 10:56.53 | sepp | url? |
| 10:57.12 | mnemoc | sepp: it probably comes inside the .rar |
| 10:58.18 | sepp | am getting the image only via torrent, mele.cn has 10kb/s speed |
| 10:59.01 | lundman | http://lundman.net/ftp/mele/android_4.0.img |
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| 11:02.58 | sepp | and where do i get the phoenixcard thing from? |
| 11:03.10 | sepp | all i can google is chinese |
| 11:11.15 | sepp | ahh, at the wuala link in an other dir |
| 11:29.12 | Turl | mnemoc: are these commits I'm seeing what I think? :D |
| 11:34.05 | mnemoc | Turl: good part of it, yes |
| 11:34.17 | mnemoc | We passed from: |
| 11:34.18 | mnemoc | GPL: 1329 (473+856) |
| 11:34.19 | mnemoc | PROP: 1075 (307+768) |
| 11:34.19 | mnemoc | NONE: 1533 (638+895) |
| 11:34.20 | mnemoc | to: |
| 11:34.26 | mnemoc | GPL: 1435 (579+856) |
| 11:34.26 | mnemoc | PROP: 987 (219+768) |
| 11:34.26 | mnemoc | NONE: 1515 (620+895) |
| 11:34.42 | mnemoc | but the critical parts are all cleared |
| 11:35.08 | Turl | is the prop stuff 'possibly to be GPL'd' or is it confirmed prop? |
| 11:35.27 | mnemoc | possibly to be GPL'ed |
| 11:35.56 | mnemoc | it's an lsdiff + grep + wc not very advanced |
| 11:36.08 | mnemoc | GPL means it has the GNU word |
| 11:36.26 | mnemoc | PROP means it doesn't have GNU and says "all rights reversed" |
| 11:36.38 | Turl | reversed? :P |
| 11:36.46 | mnemoc | :) |
| 11:36.49 | mnemoc | reserved |
| 11:36.59 | mnemoc | and none means, none of the above |
| 11:37.10 | Turl | well, on the good side my changes to cpufreq are legitly GPL now :) |
| 11:38.08 | mnemoc | the lines read as $license: $total ($in_tree + $modules) in_tree: grep -v ^modules/ modules: grep ^modules/ |
| 11:40.01 | Turl | mnemoc: did you give them a try? |
| 11:41.13 | mnemoc | cpufreq? no... I'm using my scarce a10-time in getting 3.3 booting |
| 11:41.40 | Turl | oh ok :) |
| 11:42.42 | killerkink | mnemoc: are u going to port android stuff to 3.3? |
| 11:43.12 | Turl | killerkink: I believe some android stuff is on 3.3 already (from mainline) |
| 11:43.31 | mnemoc | killerkink: android-3.3 is sort of abandoned... I think they are going to use 3.4 in 5.0 |
| 11:43.35 | killerkink | turl: a10 related stuff.) |
| 11:43.37 | killerkink | :) |
| 11:43.54 | Turl | killerkink: example? :P |
| 11:43.55 | mnemoc | Turl: some, the only missing file to patch I found was android gadget |
| 11:44.15 | Turl | yeah, android gadget usually has some hackery builtin |
| 11:44.24 | killerkink | turl: ics usable. :) |
| 11:44.29 | Turl | the one on 3.0 is kinda broken though |
| 11:44.36 | Turl | or at least not what I expected from it :P |
| 11:44.43 | Turl | it goes to sleep when usb is plugged haha |
| 11:45.14 | mnemoc | killerkink: disabling gadget you probably will be able to use 3.3 in android... but still need to fix some NULL callbacks |
| 11:45.21 | mnemoc | killerkink: help welcomed ;-) |
| 11:45.40 | killerkink | mnemoc: i am know nut about kernel development. :) |
| 11:45.49 | Turl | mnemoc: so 3.3 is bootable? :) |
| 11:46.00 | killerkink | and moreover, i dont have console setup |
| 11:46.21 | mnemoc | Turl: there is good amount of output of the serial console, but not reaching userspace yet |
| 11:46.40 | mnemoc | s/of/on/ |
| 11:46.50 | Turl | hm |
| 11:46.50 | mnemoc | yuck |
| 11:46.53 | Turl | I don't have a serial console :/ |
| 11:47.12 | mnemoc | then no 3.3 for you yet |
| 11:47.15 | Turl | mnemoc: haha ibot fail |
| 11:47.23 | Turl | yeah :/ |
| 11:47.27 | killerkink | does the sdio console work on android? |
| 11:47.42 | mnemoc | Turl: I didnd't notice the first 'of' |
| 11:47.52 | Turl | I heard ZaEarl used some uSD -> cable thing from dealextreme and got serial output |
| 11:48.02 | Turl | maybe I can get one, but it'll be like a month before it arrives :P |
| 11:48.14 | mnemoc | from DX?? |
| 11:48.19 | Turl | yeah |
| 11:48.25 | mnemoc | url? |
| 11:49.10 | Turl | let me see if I find it on my browser history, sec |
| 11:49.17 | Turl | I can find* |
| 11:50.23 | Turl | ha https://dx.com/p/android-4-0-mini-pc-google-tv-player-w-wifi-allwinner-a10-cortex-a8-tf-hdmi-white-4gb-137012 |
| 11:52.15 | killerkink | turl: did flash work for you in full screen? |
| 11:52.21 | killerkink | flash streaming |
| 11:52.28 | Turl | killerkink: no |
| 11:52.38 | Turl | killerkink: but then, I reverted to the stock rom and it didn't work either |
| 11:52.50 | killerkink | ok. :) |
| 11:53.16 | killerkink | not only that. it get very unstable if you try full screen |
| 11:54.10 | killerkink | mnemoc: are you going to merge the new mali module in v2? |
| 11:55.11 | mnemoc | killerkink: I will, after the "assigned team" agrees in something :p |
| 11:55.13 | Mazon | Turl, if this is anything like zerodevices, I think you should stay away from them - missing hdmi protection stuff? |
| 11:55.41 | rm | what's with HDMI protection? |
| 11:55.44 | killerkink | the rel0 /rel1 thing? |
| 11:55.53 | rm | I believe these are 100% unbranded Zerodevices clones |
| 11:56.29 | mnemoc | killerkink: when Turl and zenitraM produce a patchset that works fine for x11 and android |
| 11:56.43 | Mazon | afaik, there were issues with dropping display |
| 11:57.35 | Turl | Mazon: protection wut? :) |
| 11:57.36 | naobsd | http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9419 it seems nice to get serial console from microSD slot |
| 11:57.54 | Mazon | Turl, hang on - trying to find info |
| 11:58.12 | Turl | mnemoc: well can't find the link now, I've asked ZaEarl |
| 11:58.18 | Turl | mnemoc: but he seems afk |
| 11:58.23 | mnemoc | Turl: ok |
| 11:58.29 | Turl | mnemoc: it was like a fake uSD, which had like a flex cable out of it |
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| 11:58.48 | Turl | and on the other end you had like contact points or a standard SD adaptor or something |
| 11:58.55 | Turl | put your serial stuff there and you're good to go |
| 11:59.03 | mnemoc | Turl: I have one, but I was impressed to know there was a ready to use thing out there... and sold by DX |
| 11:59.23 | Turl | yeah I doubt it's 'ready to go' as in with the serial capabilities |
| 11:59.31 | Turl | but it was handy and didn't require hacking the device :) |
| 11:59.54 | Turl | and ZaEarl said he didn't require soldering either |
| 12:00.41 | killerkink | turl: work out of the box? |
| 12:00.48 | Mazon | Turl, http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.netbook.arm/2913 |
| 12:01.10 | Mazon | "Yes, not having protection on HDMI is gambling for sure." |
| 12:01.12 | zenitraM | mnemoc, killerkink: x11 is a no-go for now since we're missing the mali ddk. hipboi was trying to compile it |
| 12:01.20 | Mazon | "Aha, their engineer told me that they have the video jitter problem that they can not |
| 12:01.20 | Mazon | solve. Maybe it's related with this. " |
| 12:01.32 | Mazon | imo, I would stay away from these |
| 12:01.37 | mnemoc | zenitraM: then we have to set with the version we already have drivers |
| 12:02.01 | zenitraM | mnemoc: for android, yes. i don't know which ones android uses |
| 12:02.09 | mnemoc | Turl: ---^ |
| 12:02.29 | zenitraM | for x11 i diffed two different x11 module sources and they were equal, so i suspect the versions don't have to match |
| 12:02.30 | mnemoc | you too come up with some agreement and I merge it |
| 12:02.33 | mnemoc | two* |
| 12:02.40 | Turl | well, the one I merged works. give me some time and I'll test the latest with the binaries I have |
| 12:02.52 | Turl | I heard there's newer ones on a home directory on some ubuntu image too |
| 12:03.07 | mnemoc | please note both speak spanish if you want to try a private discussion |
| 12:03.10 | Turl | if you have them, a zip with just the .so's would be nice too :) |
| 12:03.27 | mnemoc | might be more effective than in english |
| 12:03.37 | killerkink | turl: there is a newer in the onda firmware |
| 12:03.45 | Turl | same for me |
| 12:03.48 | killerkink | i am trying to test it |
| 12:03.53 | Turl | killerkink: as in the latest out there? |
| 12:04.22 | killerkink | i believe so as the version is r2p4-rel instead -dev |
| 12:04.24 | Turl | killerkink: r2p4-02rel1 - [08 May 2012] ? |
| 12:04.38 | killerkink | rel0 i think |
| 12:04.39 | Turl | I already have r2p4-02rel0 |
| 12:04.44 | killerkink | i see |
| 12:05.08 | Turl | but someone said the last number might not matter |
| 12:05.09 | mnemoc | Turl: btw, please produce a patch to put mali in drivers/gpu |
| 12:05.16 | Turl | so rel0 might work on rel1 etc |
| 12:05.32 | Turl | mnemoc: ok |
| 12:05.43 | killerkink | i think there is only 1 changes in the rel0/1 when i do a compare |
| 12:05.55 | killerkink | some free mem stuff |
| 12:06.03 | killerkink | the open source mali driver |
| 12:06.04 | Turl | should work then |
| 12:06.21 | killerkink | the changes is probably on the closed source |
| 12:06.53 | Turl | or maybe just a simple bugfix, as they just bumped the last # |
| 12:06.58 | killerkink | i think if you merge the opensource rel1, it should also work on the rel0 binary? |
| 12:07.16 | killerkink | we wont know what chan ges in the closed binary |
| 12:07.21 | Turl | yeah, that's the theory we need to confirm :) |
| 12:07.24 | naobsd | I'm curious what's changed in /system/lib/egl/lib*mali.so |
| 12:08.27 | killerkink | there is a post in mali forum asking for changelog |
| 12:08.42 | killerkink | then he was refered to the sdk(closed). :) |
| 12:09.13 | naobsd | I'm looking MK802 system dump, build on 20120524, it has r2p4-02rel0 too. |
| 12:09.52 | naobsd | I guess A10 roms build on May have 02rel0 |
| 12:09.54 | killerkink | naobsd: onda vi40 latest rom has the same |
| 12:10.44 | killerkink | maybe can try ployer rom but that one need username/password |
| 12:14.59 | naobsd | killerkink: Vi40_V3_v1.2rc2_0522.zip ? |
| 12:18.07 | killerkink | naobsd: yes |
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| 12:20.51 | naobsd | hmm. it seems some v1.2 roms are released from some companies in May |
| 12:21.10 | naobsd | I'll try... |
| 12:27.02 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: Meenakshisundaram master * r94f5d390e8ff /allwinner_a10/orders/.html: I Need one Mele A1000. |
| 12:29.30 | lundman | if we are thinking of doing binaires, I can host them, if needed |
| 12:32.03 | killerkink | naobsd: may have to wait for the jun release rom |
| 12:32.15 | killerkink | or tom can share with us. :) |
| 12:32.22 | Turl | mnemoc: any idea how to make a makefile to make the mali stuff? :P |
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| 12:33.46 | naobsd | killerkink: v1.4 is tagged so Jun release may be 1.4 (just my guess of course) |
| 12:34.56 | killerkink | yeah. since it also take time for them to do testing |
| 12:35.03 | killerkink | before rom release |
| 12:35.32 | killerkink | what irc software are you guy using? |
| 12:35.38 | killerkink | any good one to recommend? |
| 12:36.33 | killerkink | any that can read archive without staying online? |
| 12:39.19 | lundman | irssi? isnt everyone |
| 12:39.47 | lundman | and proxy if you intent to reconnect, ie, if you cant handle 'screen' |
| 12:40.09 | killerkink | proxy? |
| 12:42.30 | lundman | you'd be better using screen |
| 12:42.35 | lundman | unix or linux? |
| 12:42.40 | killerkink | ubuntu |
| 12:43.26 | lundman | 'screen' starts a new sceren, which lets you have lots of screens under it, then "screen -dr" will resume it, if you lose connect |
| 12:43.41 | lundman | apt-get install irssi |
| 12:43.51 | killerkink | i wont just like a user friendly one. :) |
| 12:44.00 | killerkink | no need reconnect feature |
| 12:44.12 | killerkink | thanks, will give it a try |
| 12:44.17 | lundman | reconnecting is more for those with GUIs, or windows users |
| 13:10.19 | mnemoc | Turl: don't they come already with proper Makefiles? |
| 13:12.01 | zenitraM | tmux > screen |
| 13:12.09 | zenitraM | also, i use ZNC (a bouncer) |
| 13:12.13 | mnemoc | tmux even got a book recently |
| 13:13.55 | mnemoc | http://pragprog.com/book/bhtmux/tmux |
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| 13:16.53 | Turl | mnemoc: doesn't look like so |
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| 13:21.50 | mnemoc | modules/mali/DX910-SW-99002-r2p3-01rel0/src/devicedrv/ump/Makefile seems in-tree compatible |
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| 13:55.32 | steev | screen > tmux |
| 13:56.33 | steev | i much prefer running screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 to configuring minicom and such |
| 13:57.49 | mnemoc | loves bb's microcom :p |
| 14:01.27 | steev | bb? |
| 14:01.38 | steev | oh busybox |
| 14:02.01 | mnemoc | yup |
| 14:02.36 | steev | i use irccloud for my irc client, mostly because i'm too lazy to run console irc these days, plus it's a pain keeping my ssh keys around for $random_server |
| 14:03.28 | mnemoc | have you tried mibbit? |
| 14:03.50 | steev | neg |
| 14:03.58 | steev | wiat, that's some web based right? |
| 14:04.00 | steev | wait* |
| 14:04.14 | steev | iirc there were issues with it connecting to freenode |
| 14:05.53 | mnemoc | irccloud seems to have offline support, that's nice |
| 14:07.08 | mnemoc | I keep a tiny vserver only to run screen+irssi |
| 14:08.33 | zenitraM | seems to be the only using xchat |
| 14:08.37 | steev | yeah, i normally irc off the gentoo server, but like i said, i don't always have my ssh keys available :) |
| 14:11.36 | DonkeyHotei | freenode banned mibbit |
| 14:22.25 | mnemoc | hates freenode |
| 14:23.27 | mnemoc | oftc ftw! |
| 14:27.54 | Turl | mnemoc: haha, I'm on oftc too |
| 14:28.09 | Turl | but most of the channels I talk in are in freenode |
| 14:30.03 | Turl | mnemoc: https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/compare/allwinner-3.0...wip%2Fallwinner-3.0%2Fmali |
| 14:30.10 | Turl | beware: browser crashing potential |
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| 14:32.28 | mnemoc | Turl: you might need to add a Kconfig and a couple of interim Makefiles |
| 14:32.48 | Turl | mnemoc: built for me like that ^ :P |
| 14:32.57 | mnemoc | :o |
| 14:33.09 | Turl | (at least 'make modules') |
| 14:33.19 | Turl | I'll do a full build and test on device now |
| 14:33.29 | mnemoc | great |
| 14:39.28 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: Kofi master * r8d9699b36bb7 /index.html: Original statement is ambiguous and confusing. The $15 refers to the cost of the populated PCB for the CPU card and NOT the completed assembly which would include a case |
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| 14:43.39 | steev | hrm |
| 14:43.46 | steev | i kinda want moboot for the allwinner now |
| 14:47.50 | traeak | moboot ? |
| 14:48.05 | traeak | is back from all the fun |
| 14:49.39 | traeak | seems like i missed all the gpl licensing issues |
| 14:52.34 | Turl | mnemoc: hm, it breaks with O= :P |
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| 15:14.53 | specing | mnemoc: freenode banned mibbit because there was uncontrollable spam coming from there |
| 15:14.57 | mikey_w | http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20120603051148201/RaspberryPi-Introduction.html |
| 15:15.32 | mikey_w | This seems to indicate that what is happening on the A1 is too little, too late. |
| 15:15.37 | mikey_w | A10 |
| 15:17.34 | traeak | i dunno..seems the rpi is buggy...drops usb packets randomly |
| 15:18.04 | traeak | the SD slot apparently has issues with very low throughput (maybe they can work those out) |
| 15:18.13 | mnemoc | can't care less about r-pi |
| 15:20.08 | Turl | the A10 devices are specs-wise, better |
| 15:20.14 | Turl | but the price is 4X of the pi's |
| 15:21.10 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r943152d16e09 /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide/A10_UART.mdwn: |
| 15:25.00 | traeak | Turl: no case, no pwer supply? |
| 15:25.14 | traeak | hard to compare since you can't get an a10 system done the same way |
| 15:25.18 | Turl | mnemoc: https://www.dealextreme.com/p/sd-to-microsd-transflash-card-converter-module-27001 |
| 15:25.35 | traeak | different class of devices |
| 15:25.54 | Turl | traeak: the 75$ A10 devices which hardly have a case (it's just a piece of plastic around) |
| 15:26.06 | Turl | say the plastic costs 25$, it's still double the price |
| 15:26.18 | traeak | Turl: so for the rpi that same piece of plastic is free? seriously doubt it |
| 15:26.21 | Turl | (pretty sure it costs way less to manufacture though :)) |
| 15:26.27 | Turl | traeak: it doesn't bring a case |
| 15:26.39 | mnemoc | the a13-olinuxino is more of a closer contender for the r-pi |
| 15:27.04 | traeak | definitely, but likely not so interesting |
| 15:27.16 | traeak | i'll get a pi one of these days |
| 15:27.30 | traeak | seems everyone else has one but me even though i ordered one during launch fiasco |
| 15:27.42 | traeak | have had a mele for a long time now |
| 15:27.48 | traeak | and then i havae to go back to work :( |
| 15:28.02 | Turl | I signed up repeatedly on RS loads of times, they haven't even let me order yet :P |
| 15:28.11 | traeak | newark for me |
| 15:28.30 | Turl | newark rips you off with the shipping |
| 15:28.39 | Turl | doubles the price pretty much :) |
| 15:29.09 | Turl | RS has fixed ~5US shipping |
| 15:29.23 | mnemoc | Turl: where do you connect that? |
| 15:29.38 | Turl | mnemoc: on uSD slot |
| 15:29.46 | mnemoc | and on the other side? |
| 15:30.34 | traeak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.43 | mnemoc | Turl: try to ask hipboi to put his adapter on sale again |
| 15:30.48 | traeak | newark is 35usd no matter what |
| 15:30.51 | Turl | mnemoc: your serial thingy :) |
| 15:31.06 | Turl | traeak: it's still cheap |
| 15:31.16 | mnemoc | Turl: it has a solid microsd connector, jtag! and usb |
| 15:31.17 | Turl | traeak: I got an HDMI for like ~7 bucks |
| 15:31.33 | Turl | mnemoc: USB to uSD? :o |
| 15:31.45 | mnemoc | Turl: yes |
| 15:32.12 | mnemoc | let me check my old orders |
| 15:32.50 | traeak | okay, jst under 6usd for 1m hdmi-hdmi cable and also a dvi-hdmi adapter. |
| 15:35.29 | mnemoc | Turl: can you see http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/105341261.html ? |
| 15:39.12 | mnemoc | Turl: if not, maybe the pictures: http://i00.i.aliimg.com/ordersnapshot/2012Q1_photo/61/261/105341261/527673076_1.jpg http://i00.i.aliimg.com/ordersnapshot/2012Q1_photo/61/261/105341261/527673076_2.jpg http://i00.i.aliimg.com/ordersnapshot/2012Q1_photo/61/261/105341261/527673076_3.jpg |
| 15:40.25 | mnemoc | I have one of those, and he probably can sell you another |
| 15:40.49 | Turl | yep mnemoc |
| 15:45.25 | mnemoc | Turl: possibly in the same shipment as a mele as you really need to have one ;-) |
| 15:46.03 | Turl | mnemoc: I shouldn't buy more devices really :P I'll go bankrupt :P |
| 15:46.31 | mnemoc | isn't that normal in .ar? :p |
| 15:46.46 | mnemoc | kidding |
| 15:49.02 | mnemoc | Turl: shipping the uSD adapter alone is awfully expensive, and the mele is both, the ultimate a10 devkit and a media center |
| 15:50.14 | zenitraM | mnemoc: shipping it alone isn't awfully expensive at all, especially if it is sent unregistered |
| 15:50.58 | Turl | mnemoc: my paypal account is pretty dry, I hardly have 40 bucks there :P |
| 15:51.02 | mnemoc | for a $1 product $5 of shipping is awful :p ..... maybe I've bought free-shipping for too long |
| 15:52.03 | Turl | free shipping ftw :p |
| 15:53.04 | zenitraM | http://taobaofocus.com/order/shipping-fees-from-china |
| 15:53.05 | zenitraM | 20rmb for 100gr... that's 2.5 |
| 15:53.08 | mnemoc | Turl: but you really need such adapter |
| 15:53.47 | mnemoc | ok ok... not that awful ;-) |
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| 16:15.55 | steev | bah. why does it always take so long for "processing" when you order chinese stuffs |
| 16:16.22 | mnemoc | that happens when they don't have stock |
| 16:16.31 | steev | wants everything to be immediate |
| 16:16.52 | mnemoc | sometimes they need to reach certain quantity to buy from their supplier |
| 16:17.54 | zenitraM | if you ever had a long delay on something from DX tell me |
| 16:18.03 | zenitraM | there's a spanish intern working in DX at forocoches |
| 16:18.19 | zenitraM | you can tell him your order number and he'll.. well, give it a slight push |
| 16:18.24 | mnemoc | DX has improved dramatically since last month |
| 16:19.17 | mnemoc | I have had 6 orders shipped within 72h... and they even refunded me ~$40 of an order I received in aug. 2011 :p |
| 16:20.02 | zenitraM | i once had a 50$ flashlight sent instead of a 3$ watch |
| 16:20.07 | mnemoc | :D |
| 16:20.26 | zenitraM | instead of item.. it was like 19834, they sent to me 19384 |
| 16:21.27 | mnemoc | freenode sucks |
| 16:24.35 | Turl | mnemoc: I'd have said the exact opposite, DX used to be good but last month they've gone downhill :P |
| 16:24.51 | Turl | I did 3 orders, took like 1 month to ship them |
| 16:25.02 | mnemoc | DX was good like 4y ago, 2y ago they became impossible |
| 16:26.32 | Turl | so mnemoc, it boots, I've got a screen |
| 16:27.58 | mnemoc | Turl: when buying from DX it important to look at the name of the supplier, search on each product page the string "Listed by Supplier" om www.dealexpreme.com and you'll know who is really selling it |
| 16:28.26 | mnemoc | DX is a showcase for suppliers, not a real reseller |
| 16:29.19 | traeak | so next problem to solve: how to get my 22month old to stop stealing and hiding my cables |
| 16:29.28 | Turl | but they ship the stuff themselves, and they have warehouses |
| 16:29.47 | steev | ah, no, i bought from some random website |
| 16:29.54 | steev | android tablet bay or some such |
| 16:30.03 | zenitraM | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/creative-keyboard-stationery-set-black-clip-dispenser-keyboard-brush-punch-stapler-136525 |
| 16:30.04 | mnemoc | Turl: they collect the money and ship, yes, but warehouses include only an small % of the catalog |
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| 16:51.24 | Turl | mnemoc: can you checkout https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commits/wip/allwinner-3.0/mali and do a build, see if anything breaks for you? |
| 16:51.37 | Turl | zenitraM: ^ too |
| 16:53.15 | steev | Turl: hrm, i'll give that a shot too |
| 16:58.43 | mnemoc | TOUCHSCREEN_GT801NI... |
| 16:58.53 | mnemoc | troyan? :p |
| 17:01.02 | mnemoc | Turl: can we have a config option to enable/disable this? sun3i doesn't have mali |
| 17:01.03 | steev | what |
| 17:01.28 | mnemoc | steev: Turl got a hack for his touchscreen hidden in the mali branch |
| 17:01.31 | steev | ahh |
| 17:01.37 | steev | bad turl! |
| 17:01.49 | mnemoc | indeed |
| 17:02.09 | steev | that said, cigarette time whilst this attempts to build |
| 17:02.53 | steev | though there is a config option |
| 17:02.58 | steev | at least according to the commit |
| 17:03.05 | steev | https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/214554208b58b909739fbe6e351618d28b192cf4 |
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| 17:03.37 | mnemoc | yes, that one has config option. mali itself doesn't |
| 17:04.27 | mnemoc | and something in the Makefiles seems broken, as mali and ump get rebuilt every time I call make |
| 17:04.59 | Turl | mnemoc: the makefiles were broken as is with O= :P |
| 17:05.13 | Turl | sloppy ARM |
| 17:05.16 | mnemoc | fix them correctly :) |
| 17:05.39 | mnemoc | obj-$(CONFIG_.....) += |
| 17:06.45 | Turl | CONFIG_GPU_MALI or what? :P |
| 17:06.54 | mnemoc | steev: ---^ ? |
| 17:07.05 | steev | god damned mother..... ALAKJDSF |
| 17:07.14 | steev | gcc: error: directory: No such file or directory |
| 17:07.21 | steev | wtf is it looking for |
| 17:07.38 | Turl | context? |
| 17:07.49 | steev | kernel compiling |
| 17:08.08 | steev | i'll redo after, it's currently make -j9, thought there were about 12 of those messages in a row |
| 17:08.19 | steev | probably same as what i get when i try to build the kernel in android |
| 17:08.28 | steev | can't find directory, missing a " somewhere |
| 17:10.35 | steev | aha. |
| 17:10.43 | steev | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.54 | mnemoc | steev: any idea how to do this decently: |
| 17:10.56 | mnemoc | -ccflags-y = -Iinclude/drm |
| 17:10.59 | mnemoc | +ccflags-y = -Iinclude/drm -Larch/arm/mach-sun4i/devices.o |
| 17:11.37 | Turl | steev: huh |
| 17:11.39 | rz2k | steev: I have issue |
| 17:11.41 | mnemoc | uhm, wtf |
| 17:11.43 | Turl | steev: that file is OK |
| 17:11.49 | Turl | steev: 487 is the last line |
| 17:11.52 | Turl | steev: check your ram |
| 17:12.01 | rz2k | s/I have issue/I have same issue/ |
| 17:12.29 | steev | Turl: i've checked my ram over and over (i ran memtest all weekend) |
| 17:12.30 | rz2k | mali driver has some weird greps that fail on archlinux latest. |
| 17:13.04 | mnemoc | gcc 4.7 |
| 17:13.23 | Turl | I use android toolchain, 4.3 I believe |
| 17:13.33 | mnemoc | mine is 4.6 |
| 17:13.36 | Turl | 4.7 is not even released yet right? |
| 17:13.39 | steev | i'm using 4.6.3 here, but 4.4.3 of the andoird bsp |
| 17:13.44 | steev | also gives the error |
| 17:13.47 | steev | 4.7.0 is out |
| 17:13.53 | mnemoc | compiles fine.... except it only works for sun4i |
| 17:14.14 | Turl | sun3/5i have no mali? |
| 17:14.29 | mnemoc | 3i doesn't, 5i does |
| 17:14.43 | mnemoc | but you only added logic for 4i |
| 17:14.52 | Turl | 'logic' ? |
| 17:14.53 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:14.59 | mnemoc | device.c |
| 17:15.07 | Turl | I only added what the mali drivers on kernel had :P |
| 17:15.09 | Turl | device.c? |
| 17:15.19 | mnemoc | and dark magic in drivers/gpu/drm/mali/Makefile |
| 17:15.57 | mnemoc | ok, dark magic was added by Edward Nielsen, not you |
| 17:15.57 | Turl | blame Edward Nielsen for supporting only sun4i |
| 17:16.01 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:16.30 | Turl | that's therrypicked from your branch |
| 17:16.32 | Turl | cherry* |
| 17:16.35 | steev | the hell. |
| 17:16.36 | mnemoc | add a config option so we can disable mali for sun3i and sun5i for now and I gladly merge it |
| 17:16.57 | Turl | k, doing |
| 17:18.28 | steev | what is this svn_rev |
| 17:18.35 | Turl | mnemoc: https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/a040b9f2aa84ed6ad4aa9f74b35ff8ea73094015 :) |
| 17:19.05 | mnemoc | not for drm? |
| 17:19.14 | steev | and wtf is wrong with using proper god damned version numbers. |
| 17:19.36 | mnemoc | god bless ARM :p |
| 17:19.50 | Turl | mnemoc: DRM has DRM_MALI already? |
| 17:20.04 | steev | if by god bless, you mean stab their developers in the eye with a rusty spork, then yes, god bless them |
| 17:20.37 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:20.46 | steev | 90% of the time i think these companies use NDAs because their code is fucking horrible |
| 17:21.40 | steev | (apologies if the strong language isn't allowed in here) |
| 17:21.45 | mnemoc | D would seriously ashame them |
| 17:21.59 | mnemoc | and probably even affect their stocks |
| 17:22.47 | Turl | mnemoc: and maybe https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/75e710097d78d8a9b1f328602d8aea7f0d1876ab ? |
| 17:24.17 | mnemoc | warning: (ARCH_SUN4I) selects DRM_MALI which has unmet direct dependencies (HAS_IOMEM && DRM) |
| 17:25.43 | mnemoc | ok, enabled... but where is the other MALI? .oO |
| 17:26.54 | mnemoc | Symbol: GPU_MALI [=GPU_MALI] |
| 17:26.55 | mnemoc | Type : unknown Selected by: ARCH_SUN4I [=y] && <choice> |
| 17:27.13 | mnemoc | Turl: something seems to be kind of broken with your GPU_MALI :) |
| 17:29.00 | Turl | mnemoc: nothing includes my Kconfig, that must be it ;) |
| 17:29.07 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:34.00 | mnemoc | Turl: we probably want them as m instead of y |
| 17:36.17 | Turl | mnemoc: but they can't be builtin |
| 17:36.20 | Turl | so it'd be a lie |
| 17:36.45 | mnemoc | your select tries to make them built-in |
| 17:37.19 | Turl | my select just lets make read under drivers/gpu/mali/ :P |
| 17:37.46 | mnemoc | ok, cheater |
| 17:37.48 | Turl | mnemoc: https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/d746275dc0ba5e7e28d8ca44037ff65f94ca2dc2 & https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/72ad7260a63c32c1f6f4841d4ac912271fd298f3 |
| 17:40.40 | Turl | mnemoc: btw, what's sun3i, arm11? |
| 17:40.50 | mnemoc | arm9 |
| 17:41.11 | mnemoc | with cedar |
| 17:42.13 | Turl | arm9 is "armv5" right? |
| 17:42.23 | mnemoc | yes |
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| 17:42.44 | Turl | so they were even slower than G1s heh :) |
| 17:43.26 | mnemoc | they were focused on multimedia, not apps |
| 17:44.07 | Turl | you need apps for multimedia though |
| 17:44.39 | mnemoc | sure, and arm9 was enough for the app-part of the "mp5" |
| 17:45.03 | Turl | ah, so they sold "mp5" with it |
| 17:45.04 | mnemoc | everything else is done by the dsp (cedar) |
| 17:45.07 | Turl | I thought they were tabs :P |
| 17:45.28 | mnemoc | tablets for watching movies |
| 17:46.22 | Turl | mnemoc: so, where's this supposed ubuntu image with libs on the home dir? :P |
| 17:46.40 | mnemoc | no idea :< |
| 17:46.57 | mnemoc | Turl: isn't mali_drm supposed to be module too? |
| 17:47.20 | Turl | I didn't code the mali drm stuff, just cherrypicked from your mali branch for completeness |
| 17:47.48 | mnemoc | right, but you set it to built in |
| 17:48.18 | mnemoc | maybe a depend on GPU_MALI with default m instead of the select? |
| 17:48.51 | Turl | looking at the code, it looks pretty basic |
| 17:49.03 | mnemoc | yes, it's just a backdoor |
| 17:49.11 | Turl | won't hurt built in I guess |
| 17:49.51 | mnemoc | ok |
| 17:50.06 | Turl | fuu realtek wifi |
| 17:50.09 | Turl | y u so crappy |
| 17:50.22 | Turl | reminds me of marvell chips :( |
| 17:52.59 | mnemoc | Turl: I'll clean some bits up and "merge" it tonight |
| 17:53.09 | Turl | ok |
| 17:54.58 | Turl | 20.7fps on nenamark2 |
| 17:55.20 | Turl | anyone with a stock tablet who wants to test? :p |
| 17:56.52 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * rb116050c461b /allwinner_a10/A10_USB.mdwn: |
| 17:57.35 | traeak | a10 based or ? |
| 17:57.55 | traeak | oops guess must be a10 based :-p |
| 17:59.00 | Turl | yeah :p |
| 18:05.12 | Turl | heh nice, finally the updated bootanimation :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o05PQRO1UW4 |
| 18:06.26 | traeak | nah, kind of sux |
| 18:06.29 | mnemoc | that's a really annoying music |
| 18:06.43 | traeak | that probably doesn't help with the suckage |
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| 18:08.18 | Turl | I liked both the music & animation haha |
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| 18:08.59 | traeak | i guess my headphones don't like it |
| 18:09.00 | traeak | hmm |
| 18:09.04 | traeak | reminds me i should get better ones |
| 18:09.28 | mnemoc | anything is better than Turl's |
| 18:09.43 | mnemoc | missed the "i hate it" button |
| 18:09.55 | Turl | I use the ones that come with my gadgets, then el cheapo 10US pairs |
| 18:10.20 | traeak | i have these lame ones for now...i old ones fell apart http://www.amazon.com/Koss-KTXPRO1-Titanium-Portable-Headphones/dp/B00007056H |
| 18:10.54 | ZaEarl | I'm a big fan of noise isolating ear buds now. |
| 18:11.10 | traeak | only noise i get here are the machines whining |
| 18:12.24 | Turl | I have these right now http://static.skattertech.com/files/2010/06/samsung-modus-3500-headset-earbuds.jpg |
| 18:12.43 | Turl | (or at least they look like those, with samsung you never know :P) |
| 18:12.48 | traeak | can't stand in ear ones |
| 18:12.51 | traeak | i'm too old i guess |
| 18:13.11 | Turl | I was a fan of the non in ear ones, but after a like I got to like them |
| 18:15.06 | Turl | the isolation is better |
| 18:15.07 | ZaEarl | Turl, those look exactly like mine. very nice |
| 18:15.14 | Turl | ZaEarl: they're the galaxy nexus ones |
| 18:15.15 | Turl | :P |
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| 18:15.43 | ZaEarl | regular in-ears are hard, these are nice and soft and block noise |
| 18:18.03 | Turl | yeah |
| 18:18.13 | Turl | and came with another set of tips to adjust to the ear |
| 18:20.01 | traeak | and blow your hearing when you're extra young :-p |
| 18:20.06 | traeak | i still hvae pretty good hearing |
| 18:20.48 | ZaEarl | lol, just the opposite. with noise blocked, the volume can stay low and is more effective |
| 18:20.57 | Turl | http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/04/tech/web/mr-trololo-dead/ :( |
| 18:21.01 | Turl | ZaEarl: ++ |
| 18:21.54 | traeak | my last pair were enclosed domes |
| 18:22.01 | traeak | when i worked in a real office those helped a lot |
| 18:26.11 | steev | i have the razer moray+ |
| 18:26.27 | steev | i like em enough, but they don't block quite enough outside noise |
| 18:37.46 | traeak | i also had lots of ear problems when i was a kid |
| 18:38.10 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r373fe9d1c60e /allwinner_a10/A10_USB.mdwn: |
| 18:41.40 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r53588939bf04 /allwinner_a10/orders/ (.html .mdwn): order processing cleanup |
| 18:44.23 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r5c8b1b3fc58f /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide.mdwn: |
| 18:44.55 | zenitraM | what. the. hell |
| 18:44.56 | zenitraM | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/04/asus-transformer-aio/ |
| 18:45.24 | zenitraM | who actually thought a 18'' android tablet was a nice idea? |
| 18:45.44 | penguin42 | 18"? That's more of a tray |
| 18:45.45 | steev | the "bigger is better" crowd |
| 18:45.57 | ZaEarl | I am so tempted to go to Computex. |
| 18:46.00 | steev | pretty sure that's supposed to be a desktop machine |
| 18:46.10 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r72c71332b1d5 /allwinner_a10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): bit of a cleanup, pages in the wrong place |
| 18:46.11 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rd27eb07e0e1c /: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus |
| 18:46.17 | mnemoc | ZaEarl: isn't it kind of late for that? |
| 18:46.25 | ZaEarl | nah, it's on all week |
| 18:46.28 | zenitraM | a desktop machine whose screen you can undock and then.. take.. anywhere? |
| 18:46.36 | Turl | zenitraM: I'd have gladly taken a 13-14" one |
| 18:46.39 | mnemoc | ZaEarl: but airplace tickets and reservations? |
| 18:46.39 | Turl | 18 is too much though |
| 18:46.50 | Turl | bigger than my 16" laptop :) |
| 18:47.00 | zenitraM | there are 15" laptops, even 17" ones, but 18" and in a tablet... |
| 18:47.20 | ZaEarl | mnemoc, that's the only thing stopping me from going. :) |
| 18:47.26 | mnemoc | renamed it as portable monitor |
| 18:47.31 | mnemoc | renmae* |
| 18:47.33 | mnemoc | AAAARG |
| 18:47.35 | mnemoc | rename* |
| 18:47.40 | DonkeyHotei | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/04/viewsonic-vcd22-22-inch-android-smart-display-hands-on/ |
| 18:47.44 | DonkeyHotei | zenitraM: ^ |
| 18:47.54 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * ra55e30691104 /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide.mdwn: |
| 18:48.09 | zenitraM | that one makes sense |
| 18:48.26 | DonkeyHotei | it's the same thing, but even bigger |
| 18:48.30 | hno | lkcl or anyone else with wiki git access around? |
| 18:48.45 | zenitraM | but it's not portable, that's the difference |
| 18:49.25 | mnemoc | a 15+ notebook isn't portable either |
| 18:49.47 | mnemoc | and people still finds a way to carry them |
| 18:50.58 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * re99610bdb199 /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide.mdwn: |
| 18:51.04 | DonkeyHotei | i've seen people carry CRTs on a trail |
| 18:51.15 | DonkeyHotei | s/trail/train/ |
| 18:52.02 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r6e81a9b38eb9 /allwinner_a10/A10_register_guide.mdwn: |
| 18:53.23 | hno | did carry his CRT monitor on a train & bus trip a millin years ago. |
| 18:53.37 | mnemoc | 10-12 is the perfect range for usable and portable |
| 18:54.13 | zenitraM | even 13. |
| 18:54.16 | mnemoc | max |
| 18:54.24 | mnemoc | had to carry a 21" CRT 1km+train+1.5km in berlin 6yo... wasn't fun |
| 18:54.29 | traeak | 22" android is more like a POS type system |
| 18:55.14 | traeak | not really a "computer" |
| 18:55.55 | ZaEarl | I'm giving up my 15.6" laptop for a hybrid setup...11.6" laptop with external display/mouse/keyboard. |
| 18:56.00 | traeak | i can imagine someone hauling a crt on a backpacking trail :-p |
| 18:57.28 | ZaEarl | this was awesome http://improveverywhere.com/2008/02/25/mobile-desktop/ |
| 18:58.10 | DonkeyHotei | traeak: some typos are just crazy. i don't know where that one came from |
| 18:58.11 | Turl | mnemoc: I carry my 16" laptop on long trips |
| 18:58.21 | Turl | but it's not a "carry anywhere" thing |
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| 18:59.59 | mnemoc | ZaEarl: that's what I do too. 11.6 + 24" + real keyboard + bt mouse |
| 19:00.17 | Turl | 11" is too small |
| 19:00.56 | mnemoc | 1366x768 |
| 19:00.57 | termleech | yea I have to agree with turl 13 is the smallest i go |
| 19:01.05 | termleech | though i like my 15.6 Chronos 7 |
| 19:01.24 | termleech | it's smaller than normal 15.6" because it's edge to edge screen |
| 19:01.25 | DonkeyHotei | i find 14 too small, personally |
| 19:01.29 | termleech | so it's about the size of a 14" |
| 19:01.30 | Turl | 14" I'd say is a good compromise between "I don't wanna go blind" and "it's too huge" |
| 19:01.52 | termleech | my macbook air is a 13" and works very well for a road machine |
| 19:02.24 | DonkeyHotei | for a road machine, i'm looking into the idea of a tablet |
| 19:02.27 | Turl | besides my hands barely fit all crammed on 10" |
| 19:02.33 | Turl | 13" is not much different |
| 19:02.41 | Turl | 11"* |
| 19:02.41 | mnemoc | tablets only work on bed or couch |
| 19:03.03 | Turl | mnemoc: or on the bus |
| 19:03.07 | Turl | (long distance) |
| 19:03.08 | termleech | yea i had a 11" for a while |
| 19:03.11 | termleech | didn't work out well |
| 19:03.19 | DonkeyHotei | i was originally thinking 10" but the zatab might sell me on 9.7 |
| 19:03.33 | termleech | my macbook air was the best money i ever spent for a road machine |
| 19:03.34 | termleech | bar none |
| 19:03.58 | termleech | i take my tablet with me but the macbook air is so thin and light it's easy to travel with |
| 19:04.02 | termleech | and battery is spectacular |
| 19:04.05 | mnemoc | Turl: phone + laptop? |
| 19:04.16 | Turl | mnemoc: on the bus? |
| 19:04.23 | traeak | i'd like to try a stinkpad x120/130 or whatever |
| 19:04.40 | Turl | mnemoc: my laptop is 16", too huge to use sitting on a bus |
| 19:05.04 | Turl | besides battery dies before I'm half way on the trip :) |
| 19:05.05 | traeak | a demo one for work i have is 16", intolerable |
| 19:05.09 | traeak | damn toshiba, crap keybord |
| 19:05.11 | mnemoc | Turl: that's not a laptop, it would BURN your lap |
| 19:05.17 | Turl | mnemoc: nah |
| 19:05.29 | Turl | I like 16" |
| 19:05.35 | mnemoc | on a desk, sure |
| 19:05.36 | Turl | but it's carry it somewhere |
| 19:05.38 | Turl | sit on a table |
| 19:05.39 | Turl | and use it |
| 19:05.40 | traeak | hmm....stinkpad x220 is on sale |
| 19:05.54 | traeak | if only i oculd get a windows refund |
| 19:06.01 | mnemoc | totally loves his x120e |
| 19:06.17 | Turl | for the life of me, I can't get the miniaturized keyboards on 14/13" and under |
| 19:06.33 | Turl | I keep hitting outside of the laptop or random keys when I want to type a numbr |
| 19:06.36 | Turl | then I realize |
| 19:06.44 | Turl | and take like half an hour to find the number keys |
| 19:06.45 | zenitraM | traeak: on sale where? |
| 19:06.52 | Turl | which require you to press Fn and weird stuff |
| 19:07.03 | Turl | and are skewed |
| 19:07.05 | mnemoc | Turl: the trick is to keep real keyboard and real display to connect when at home/work |
| 19:07.10 | traeak | zenitraM: lenovo.com $750 for base (not exactly cheap) |
| 19:07.17 | termleech | personally i'd spend the extra few dollars and get a dell 13.3 ultrabook than the thinkpad |
| 19:07.27 | Turl | mnemoc: I might as well use a desktop PC then |
| 19:07.28 | Turl | :) |
| 19:07.35 | traeak | i always use a desktop |
| 19:07.46 | Turl | and buy a tablet for on the go |
| 19:07.47 | Turl | :P |
| 19:07.50 | traeak | and it keeps me from doing too much work at home |
| 19:07.52 | zenitraM | damn, only on .com, not in .es |
| 19:07.53 | traeak | probably a good thing |
| 19:07.55 | mnemoc | tablets are a waste |
| 19:08.04 | zenitraM | i'm waiting for the ultrabook thinkpad :P |
| 19:08.05 | Turl | mnemoc: not really |
| 19:08.08 | traeak | tablets are fine for light consumption |
| 19:08.15 | Turl | mnemoc: on the bus you want to watch a decent movie |
| 19:08.17 | Turl | or browse |
| 19:08.20 | Turl | not much more |
| 19:08.20 | traeak | better than a laptop/netbook for sitting in bed |
| 19:08.31 | mnemoc | Turl: on the bus, I code :p |
| 19:08.34 | Turl | mnemoc: lol |
| 19:08.45 | Turl | mnemoc: my battery is more like a UPS |
| 19:08.46 | ZaEarl | mnemoc, that must be one log bus ride |
| 19:08.53 | Turl | it's beaten to death with 2+y of usage already |
| 19:08.53 | Turl | :P |
| 19:09.06 | Turl | ZaEarl: long distance |
| 19:09.08 | mnemoc | ZaEarl: if long enough for a movie, log enough for fixing some test cases |
| 19:09.14 | Turl | (coach on US?) |
| 19:09.40 | specing | Turl: UPS ftw ;) |
| 19:09.47 | zenitraM | ZaEarl, mnemoc: i had a 7h bus travel last friday, and i coded, a lot in fact |
| 19:09.49 | Turl | I get like 20m tops :P |
| 19:09.56 | zenitraM | also, the bus had outlets and wifi, which surely helped |
| 19:09.57 | traeak | that's brutal |
| 19:09.57 | mnemoc | Turl: that's what happens with 15+ notebooks, there are semi-portable desktop computers with built-in battery |
| 19:10.01 | traeak | ahh yeah |
| 19:10.10 | Turl | mnemoc: originally it lasted 2+h |
| 19:10.18 | Turl | and it was decent batt life for the time |
| 19:10.26 | traeak | 721.65USD for x220 for today yet (still too much) |
| 19:10.27 | Turl | (2+ years ago, core2duo) |
| 19:10.59 | Turl | I can't find anyone who would take my money for a replacement battery :P |
| 19:11.00 | mnemoc | traeak: the x220 has an old-school thinkpad keyboard, not like the newer models or my x120 |
| 19:11.02 | zenitraM | i wanted to buy the x220t just to take notes at class |
| 19:11.26 | Turl | acer doesn't even have an office over here |
| 19:11.33 | specing | My laptop is 4 years old and its original battery still lasts 1.5h (2h when I bought it) |
| 19:11.42 | traeak | mnemoc: is that good or bad? old skool i mean ? |
| 19:11.50 | Turl | specing: awesome battery then :P |
| 19:11.50 | zenitraM | but i only have a math-containing class remaining, so now it's too late |
| 19:12.00 | mnemoc | traeak: the best laptop keyboards ever |
| 19:12.02 | Turl | specing: most lose their capacity on the 2y mark |
| 19:12.10 | specing | Turl: well... |
| 19:12.23 | specing | Turl: It did take some choosing before purchasing ;) |
| 19:12.26 | traeak | mnemoc: i do hate most lappy keyboards...i'm guessing the x130 isn't bad either |
| 19:12.30 | mnemoc | traeak: their new keyboard is nice, but can't compare |
| 19:12.31 | DonkeyHotei | the laptop i am on is 2 years old, and i need a new battery for it |
| 19:12.36 | traeak | mnemoc: would have to make work buy me the lappy of course :-p |
| 19:12.39 | Turl | ZaEarl: any chance you sell acer batteries on the cheap? :P |
| 19:12.41 | mnemoc | traeak: the x130 comes with a pillow |
| 19:12.53 | ZaEarl | Turl, nope :) |
| 19:13.07 | DonkeyHotei | unfortunately, batteries for new laptops seem to get discontinued after 2 years |
| 19:13.09 | traeak | mnemoc: pillow? |
| 19:13.11 | ZaEarl | bet you could find it on aliexpress |
| 19:13.21 | mnemoc | traeak: look at the back of the display |
| 19:13.23 | specing | Turl: Just get a a 3-cell powerpack on ebay and mod it accordingly ;) |
| 19:13.30 | Turl | I don't trust high cap chinese batteries much |
| 19:13.31 | traeak | mnemoc: for now it's 70USD diff between i3 based x130 and x220 |
| 19:13.45 | Turl | specing: 3 cell? this is 9 cell :) |
| 19:13.52 | Turl | or 6, I don't remember now |
| 19:13.54 | specing | Turl: Where do you think the original battery was made? |
| 19:13.55 | traeak | Turl: carry a fire extinguisher with you |
| 19:13.58 | mnemoc | traeak: the x130 is nap-ready |
| 19:14.17 | mnemoc | traeak: I prefer the e450-based model, hate intel |
| 19:14.52 | traeak | mnemoc: interesting...i3 is pretty good and i don't really seriously game much anymore |
| 19:15.00 | Turl | AS07B31 |
| 19:15.07 | zenitraM | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=woNFsBIVhVo#! *this* is portability |
| 19:15.20 | mnemoc | traeak: the amd model has better battery life |
| 19:15.38 | mnemoc | traeak: WAVES CAR WASH |
| 19:15.38 | mnemoc | 1680 VFW Parkway |
| 19:15.38 | mnemoc | West Roxbury, MA 02132 |
| 19:15.38 | mnemoc | 617-323-2055 |
| 19:15.40 | mnemoc | err |
| 19:15.44 | mnemoc | damn |
| 19:15.56 | traeak | damn you spammer! |
| 19:15.57 | Turl | they rape you price-wise ha http://www.bateriaordenador.es/bateria-ACER-AS07B31.html |
| 19:15.57 | specing | Ehm? |
| 19:16.03 | DonkeyHotei | i found someone who seems to be selling the battery i need, slightly used, but on the portland craigslist, and i currently have no one to pick it up |
| 19:16.11 | mnemoc | traeak: http://laptops.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/lenovo-thinkpad-x130e-released.jpg ... see the pillow |
| 19:16.30 | traeak | mnemoc: it's a kidproof lappy |
| 19:17.00 | specing | kidproof? |
| 19:17.06 | traeak | well |
| 19:17.17 | traeak | it's more for educational use than the x120 is |
| 19:17.28 | traeak | i guess that's their excuse for changing the model # and jacking the price |
| 19:19.58 | Turl | amazon sells them for 20$ |
| 19:20.00 | Turl | hm |
| 19:20.50 | mnemoc | traeak: the x121e is on sale on EU, x120 with upgraded processor |
| 19:24.31 | traeak | ahhh |
| 19:24.33 | traeak | not available here |
| 19:25.30 | Turl | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=4400000 |
| 19:25.31 | Turl | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=528000 |
| 19:25.35 | Turl | completely shot :P |
| 19:32.34 | specing | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=4800000 |
| 19:32.36 | specing | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=4800000 |
| 19:32.36 | specing | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=4800000 |
| 19:32.36 | specing | :) |
| 19:33.24 | Turl | specing: sure that's a battery and not a miniaturized nuclear reactor? :P |
| 19:34.01 | Turl | tip me the batt brand haha |
| 19:34.09 | specing | Sure, because carrying around 100kg of lead is a good idea |
| 19:34.22 | specing | POWER_SUPPLY_MODEL_NAME=PA3465U |
| 19:34.23 | specing | POWER_SUPPLY_MANUFACTURER=LIDP |
| 19:34.50 | DonkeyHotei | where are you guys pasting that from? |
| 19:35.03 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/ |
| 19:35.22 | Turl | specing: what tech is it? li-ion? |
| 19:35.29 | specing | slaps DonkeyHotei for not knowing about /sys ;D |
| 19:35.31 | specing | Turl: yeah |
| 19:35.50 | specing | Nah, it says Nuk-ion :) |
| 19:36.25 | DonkeyHotei | Turl: i don't see any file containing that text in that dir |
| 19:36.47 | Turl | DonkeyHotei: uevent :) |
| 19:37.00 | DonkeyHotei | thanx |
| 19:38.04 | DonkeyHotei | POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MIN_DESIGN=11100000 |
| 19:38.05 | DonkeyHotei | POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=11100000 |
| 19:38.05 | DonkeyHotei | POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=0 |
| 19:38.05 | DonkeyHotei | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=7200000 |
| 19:38.05 | DonkeyHotei | POWER_SUPPLY_MODEL_NAME=PA3465U |
| 19:38.05 | DonkeyHotei | POWER_SUPPLY_MANUFACTURER=Sony |
| 19:38.34 | Turl | you have the same batt as specing |
| 19:38.50 | DonkeyHotei | no, mine is 9-cell |
| 19:39.23 | DonkeyHotei | oh wait |
| 19:39.27 | DonkeyHotei | you mean the model |
| 19:39.30 | Turl | yeah |
| 19:39.35 | DonkeyHotei | i googled the model |
| 19:39.45 | DonkeyHotei | every result is the wrong form factor |
| 19:40.24 | specing | lol |
| 19:40.32 | specing | Its the chinese |
| 19:40.42 | DonkeyHotei | my best guess is that i need a battery that is meant for a dell inspiron 1425 |
| 19:40.48 | specing | the model name is probably what the generic controller reports |
| 19:40.53 | DonkeyHotei | specing: yes |
| 19:40.56 | zenitraM | POWER_SUPPLY_ENERGY_FULL_DESIGN=43000000 |
| 19:40.57 | zenitraM | POWER_SUPPLY_ENERGY_FULL=36950000 |
| 19:40.57 | zenitraM | POWER_SUPPLY_ENERGY_NOW=36750000 |
| 19:40.57 | zenitraM | POWER_SUPPLY_MODEL_NAME=bq20z951 |
| 19:40.57 | zenitraM | POWER_SUPPLY_MANUFACTURER=SMPNz951 |
| 19:41.05 | zenitraM | apple seems not to care about model name or manufacturer registers. |
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| 20:06.21 | hno | runejuhl, that's a good battery compared to some of mine. |
| 20:08.25 | hno | hopes hipboy missed the usb code and that there is no problem there. Still missing GPL headers. https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/issues/33 |
| 20:09.30 | sepp | so what is the best way to get some linux running? the debian howto at http://rhombus-tech.net says at top that it is not working anymore |
| 20:09.32 | hno | mnemoc, any other known in-tree drivers missing GPL license header? |
| 20:09.43 | mnemoc | hno: many |
| 20:09.59 | hno | mnemoc, not counting modules/... ? |
| 20:10.14 | Vaevictus_ | sepp: you got a mele? |
| 20:10.22 | sepp | today |
| 20:10.33 | Vaevictus_ | easiest way - get the ubuntu image |
| 20:10.42 | Vaevictus_ | your main os windows or linux? |
| 20:10.53 | sepp | linux |
| 20:11.12 | Vaevictus_ | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/mele_ubuntu_image/ |
| 20:11.19 | sepp | ok, thanks |
| 20:11.19 | mnemoc | hno: GPL: 1435 (579+856) PROP: 987 (219+768) NONE: 1515 (620+895) |
| 20:11.33 | mnemoc | hno: the first of the sum is in-tree |
| 20:11.56 | Vaevictus_ | flashing for linux @ http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/#index4h1 |
| 20:12.12 | sepp | will i get vga out with these images? i have no tv here |
| 20:12.35 | Vaevictus_ | no u gotta run a c program |
| 20:12.44 | Vaevictus_ | there are other images tho |
| 20:12.53 | hno | or modify script.bin to default vga out. |
| 20:12.53 | Vaevictus_ | maybe they output to vga by default |
| 20:12.57 | mnemoc | hno: http://dpaste.com/755268/ + http://dpaste.com/755269/ |
| 20:14.12 | sepp | ok, getting that fat image |
| 20:15.19 | mnemoc | hno: I'll improve the script to skip Makefile and Kconfig |
| 20:16.41 | hno | so pm, usb, video, nand, script, g2d, keypad, touchscreen, axp, and a little more. |
| 20:16.58 | mnemoc | yes |
| 20:17.43 | mnemoc | hno: #33 should probably be rewritten to include them all |
| 20:17.57 | mnemoc | not limited to USB, but ordered by priority |
| 20:18.07 | mnemoc | i think |
| 20:18.31 | mnemoc | it's a LOT of files |
| 20:18.43 | hno | maybe, or just more tickets.. It's not many drivers. |
| 20:18.53 | mnemoc | up to you |
| 20:21.06 | hno | with more tickets it is easier to give priority for hipboi which to work on first. |
| 20:21.21 | mnemoc | github's issue tracker STINKS |
| 20:21.37 | hno | any idea what he was accused of leaking? |
| 20:21.51 | mnemoc | don't know |
| 20:22.32 | traeak | what's the SDK ? |
| 20:22.40 | mnemoc | don't know who mentioned him when mailing allwinner |
| 20:22.47 | hno | lkcl apparently. |
| 20:22.50 | mnemoc | traeak: the stuff Qware released |
| 20:23.34 | hno | which is a lot which is not GPL. |
| 20:27.54 | hno | The statement from Eva is good as an indication of intention, but not good for clearing the license doubt without help of hipboi. |
| 20:28.30 | hno | if that message had had an explicit list of files then different story. |
| 20:29.12 | mnemoc | hno: I sent the list to hipboi, he replied he will "fix" them in the near future |
| 20:29.50 | mnemoc | i don't see the intention of excluding any part of it |
| 20:30.25 | mnemoc | fixing arch/arm/mach-sun5i/ was a good sign on that regard |
| 20:30.32 | Turl | allwinner actually wins by GPLing the stuff |
| 20:30.32 | hno | agreed. It's pretty clear allwinner kernel sources is meant to be GPL. |
| 20:30.46 | Turl | less maint burden |
| 20:31.50 | mnemoc | Turl: they are paided by manufacturers for taking care of the software stuff. they "hide" them to protect the interests of their paying customers against cloners |
| 20:32.28 | mnemoc | the burden is part of their business |
| 20:32.30 | hno | Turl, not really. maintenance burden is actually somewhat higher when playing nice. |
| 20:33.02 | Turl | hno: if all the stuff is mainlined, they don't have to ever port it again to a new kernel version |
| 20:33.41 | mnemoc | Turl: to get mainlined they need far better quality than what they need to release products. that effort implies a huge extra cost |
| 20:33.45 | hno | yes, but that's not going to happen. Far too much legacy crap which will not be accepted mainline. |
| 20:34.29 | hno | basic system support so the SoC can boot might get mainline, but most drivers have no chance without rewrite. |
| 20:34.38 | jimyx17 | qlo |
| 20:34.59 | mnemoc | e.g. in the 2.6.36 to 3.0.8 migration, instead of adapting the dma power management to the new APIs they cut it out! |
| 20:35.33 | Turl | hah |
| 20:35.38 | Turl | their tabs and spaces usage is pretty bad too :p |
| 20:35.39 | hno | mnemoc, a ticker on that please, unless fixed already. |
| 20:35.56 | hno | Turl, tabs & spaces can be fixed by a machine. |
| 20:36.05 | mnemoc | hno: ticket will be |
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| 21:19.51 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r4baeef483674 /allwinner_a10/A10_USB.mdwn: |
| 21:20.49 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r93cbc2fde104 /allwinner_a10/A10_USB.mdwn: |
| 21:27.26 | Turl | interesting |
| 21:27.31 | Turl | mele libs on ubuntu image are |
| 21:27.33 | Turl | VARIANT=mali400-r1p1-gles11-gles20-linux-ump |
| 21:27.46 | Turl | the android ones are |
| 21:27.47 | Turl | VARIANT=mali400-r1p1-gles11-gles20-linux-android-ics-rgb_is_xrgb-ump |
| 21:28.19 | Turl | the android libs also have GEOM=mali_gp_geometry_common |
| 21:28.24 | Turl | the ubuntu ones have nothing |
| 21:30.23 | zenitraM | android-ics-rgb_is_xrgb sounds like some kind of ugly hac |
| 21:30.25 | zenitraM | k |
| 21:30.51 | DonkeyHotei | ugly hacks are awesome |
| 21:34.22 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r65eb5642baf4 /allwinner_a10/A10_USB.mdwn: |
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| 21:35.04 | RITRedbeard | Anyone here have their hands on what they're dubbing the MK802? The thumbstick-ish size A10 platform? |
| 21:35.08 | mnemoc | anyone in the UK willing to buy a mistake? http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/30307082/Lenovo-IdeaCentre-VBT1HUK-Desktop-Computer-Intel-Core-i5-i5-2310-2-90-GHz-All-in-One-Black/Product.html |
| 21:35.21 | mnemoc | s/willing to/interesting in/ |
| 21:35.25 | RITRedbeard | I want to know if the 5V @ 2A claim is true... |
| 21:35.32 | hno | RITRedbeard, some poeple here have that device. I don't. |
| 21:37.40 | hno | RITRedbeard, My mele which has lots of more I/O draws 5V@0.5A average. So you will need a 2A power supply if also powering an externa USB drive etc. |
| 21:38.02 | hno | giving up to 1A for the device and 1A for powering the USB port. |
| 21:38.21 | RITRedbeard | Can you underclock core? |
| 21:38.45 | zenitraM | play.com wants to know my credit card details just for registering :< |
| 21:38.48 | RITRedbeard | I'm sick and tired of waiting for Raspberry Pi and reports of really crappy linear voltage regulation onboard to keep prices low... I'm trying to go for battery power. |
| 21:38.52 | DonkeyHotei | mnemoc: mistake? |
| 21:39.02 | ZaEarl | yeah, I've seen it underclock to 60mhz |
| 21:39.08 | RITRedbeard | O_O |
| 21:39.08 | mnemoc | zenitraM: that product only ships to UK |
| 21:39.13 | RITRedbeard | and default clock is 1.2GHz? |
| 21:39.19 | ZaEarl | more like 1.0 |
| 21:39.21 | Turl | 21.2FPS on NenaMark 2, anyone up to beat my score on an A10? :P |
| 21:39.21 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: they missed two zeros |
| 21:39.22 | hno | RITRedbeard, yes. It can be clocked all the way down to 32KHz. |
| 21:39.27 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: in the price |
| 21:39.42 | DonkeyHotei | they underpriced it? |
| 21:39.45 | RITRedbeard | Are there any MK802 or similar items in-stock that are shipping now? Or all back orders? |
| 21:39.52 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: yes, 10E instead of 1000 |
| 21:39.58 | DonkeyHotei | lol |
| 21:40.10 | zenitraM | uhh this seems like a more viable mistake |
| 21:40.11 | zenitraM | http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005OK6VLS/ |
| 21:40.11 | hno | RITRedbeard, no idea. NOT SHOPPING FOR ONE. |
| 21:40.30 | zenitraM | click on 36 new. 139gbp for a 256gb ssd.... |
| 21:40.36 | mnemoc | RITRedbeard: DX has the white one |
| 21:40.37 | RITRedbeard | hno, I love you. How is clocking the A10 down to 32KHz possible? Aren't there signal propigation problems? |
| 21:40.37 | hno | says sorry for the shouting. Accidently hit caps-lock. |
| 21:40.39 | Turl | mnemoc: I see 1K british pounds |
| 21:40.57 | RITRedbeard | mnemoc, DX? Deal Extreme? |
| 21:41.12 | zenitraM | Turl: click on Eur on the top |
| 21:41.19 | zenitraM | (the europe flag) |
| 21:41.29 | Turl | ah derp lol |
| 21:41.31 | DonkeyHotei | mnemoc: the url you pasted shows a price of £1041.99 not €10 |
| 21:41.31 | mnemoc | RITRedbeard: yes |
| 21:41.32 | Turl | 10 eur |
| 21:41.51 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: change the currency |
| 21:42.08 | hno | RITRedbeard, good question. 32KHz is not a normal clock configuration, only used in suspend mode where all pheriperials (including DRAM) is sleeping. |
| 21:42.21 | DonkeyHotei | €10.75 |
| 21:42.34 | mnemoc | my mele almost always stays at 60Mhz |
| 21:42.51 | Turl | mnemoc: it can go down to 30 too |
| 21:42.53 | RITRedbeard | I assume we've got Linux on the A10 so far, right? I'm sorry, I know I've researched this before but I'm on a lot of medications that do memory loss. |
| 21:42.58 | Turl | min is set to 60 though |
| 21:43.03 | DonkeyHotei | mnemoc: then why did you ask about the UK? |
| 21:43.18 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: seller only accepts shipping address in UK |
| 21:43.22 | DonkeyHotei | ok |
| 21:43.23 | hno | RITRedbeard, yes. But not with accelerated X11 just yet. |
| 21:43.31 | hno | or accelerated video.. |
| 21:43.33 | RITRedbeard | For the Mele GPU? Not a problem. |
| 21:43.38 | RITRedbeard | It will come in due time. |
| 21:43.42 | hno | yes |
| 21:43.55 | RITRedbeard | I presume power consumption goes down with clock. |
| 21:44.13 | hno | depends on what you are doing. |
| 21:44.32 | RITRedbeard | we have a wiki on it? |
| 21:44.36 | hno | stuff needing CPU draws more power to complete their task at low clocks. |
| 21:44.43 | RITRedbeard | I'm now very interested in using this. |
| 21:44.44 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: but didn't notice the price in pounds was correct |
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| 21:46.39 | mnemoc | zenitraM: play is a very nice free-shipping site for branded stuff within eu |
| 21:47.09 | zenitraM | mnemoc: everytime i tried they didn't ship here what i wanted |
| 21:47.21 | mnemoc | :< |
| 21:47.23 | zenitraM | amazon.co.uk has given me better results |
| 21:47.30 | zenitraM | free shipping for >25gbp |
| 21:47.38 | mnemoc | to spain too? |
| 21:47.43 | zenitraM | yup |
| 21:47.47 | mnemoc | NICE |
| 21:47.48 | zenitraM | for things shipped by amazon |
| 21:47.53 | DonkeyHotei | amazon.com does similar for >25usd |
| 21:48.28 | mnemoc | it's odd amazon.es is usually more expensive than amazon.{de,fr,co.uk} |
| 21:48.37 | zenitraM | and for .es i got amazon premium... 15/year for unlimited free shipping |
| 21:48.46 | zenitraM | it depends on what products you look at |
| 21:48.57 | DonkeyHotei | called amazon prime for .com |
| 21:49.09 | zenitraM | and awfully less expensive for .es :P |
| 21:49.17 | ZaEarl | yeah, but Prime is $79/yr! |
| 21:49.48 | zenitraM | 15 ~= $18 |
| 21:49.49 | mnemoc | zenitraM: so your "premium" is valid on other amazon sites too? |
| 21:49.54 | zenitraM | mnemoc: only on .es |
| 21:49.54 | Turl | but prime gives you video and what not |
| 21:49.55 | Turl | :) |
| 21:50.06 | DonkeyHotei | ZaEarl: it was convenient to live with someone who scored a complementary free one-year prime membership |
| 21:50.24 | zenitraM | but i've ordered too many things from .es so far that i've already broke even |
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| 21:52.01 | zenitraM | i'm also too tempted to buy that 139gbp SSD.. argh |
| 21:52.13 | tallnerd1985 | How much? |
| 21:52.21 | zenitraM | 256gb |
| 21:52.30 | tallnerd1985 | Price? |
| 21:52.43 | zenitraM | £139.99 |
| 21:52.59 | zenitraM | ~230$ |
| 21:53.48 | tallnerd1985 | Tempting |
| 21:55.09 | tallnerd1985 | I might just do x2 128gb ssd on raid 0 instead |
| 21:56.01 | zenitraM | that's a bit difficult to do in a laptop.. |
| 21:56.10 | tallnerd1985 | True :) |
| 22:02.03 | DonkeyHotei | mnemoc: i just asked someone in another channel to try buying it |
| 22:02.22 | DonkeyHotei | he said: Items priced in euros can only be delivered to European addresses outside the UK. |
| 22:02.34 | zenitraM | what |
| 22:03.22 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: :( |
| 22:03.50 | DonkeyHotei | mnemoc: you're outside the uk |
| 22:04.00 | zenitraM | mnemoc: are you sure about them not shipping outside uk? |
| 22:04.01 | DonkeyHotei | right? |
| 22:04.46 | DonkeyHotei | maybe their site is just completely broken |
| 22:05.47 | zenitraM | yup |
| 22:05.48 | zenitraM | This item can only be delivered to a UK address. |
| 22:06.18 | zenitraM | Electronic items, gadgets and toys can only be delivered to UK addresses. |
| 22:06.56 | mnemoc | that explains it, I've only bought movies there |
| 22:07.29 | mnemoc | and if the bad price is only for outside-uk and they only ship inside uk the mistake is irrelevant |
| 22:07.58 | zenitraM | yup |
| 22:15.59 | tallnerd1985 | Anybody know of compatible touchscreen monitors for a a10 device |
| 22:20.34 | hno | tallnerd1985, depends on what you mean. Most A10 devices come with a touchscreen (tablets) |
| 22:20.57 | tallnerd1985 | For the mele1000 or mk802 |
| 22:21.47 | hno | then it depends on if you talk stock Android (then none) or custom Linux system (any supported by Linux). |
| 22:22.12 | hno | Well.. a touchscreen that simulates USB mouse probably works. |
| 22:23.28 | tallnerd1985 | Hmm, trying to piece together a carPC but that and a mic is the only difficulty I am facing besides a BT sink client |
| 22:24.38 | mnemoc | building your own kernel you should be able to use any linux supported touchscreen |
| 22:26.00 | traeak | hm...i guess my rpi order ewnt through...the emailed me a short while ago about mycredit card being "under" |
| 22:26.49 | mnemoc | great, that saved you from wasting that money |
| 22:27.32 | tallnerd1985 | mnemoc: Kernel for Android or mainstream *nux? |
| 22:27.51 | hno | tallnerd1985, either. |
| 22:28.20 | tallnerd1985 | Good to know |
| 22:29.20 | hno | tallnerd1985, android runs ontop of a Linux kernel and uses Linux input subsystem where touchscreens, mice, keyboards etc register. |
| 22:30.10 | tallnerd1985 | I kind of knew that but I am unfamiliar about arm based drivers opposed to x86 drivers |
| 22:30.19 | tallnerd1985 | Still new to me |
| 22:34.10 | mnemoc | this has nothing to do with the architecture |
| 22:35.02 | traeak | mnemoc: :-p |
| 22:36.37 | mnemoc | really wanted that all-in-one lenovo for 10E shipping included. snif snif snif |
| 22:41.19 | tallnerd1985 | mnemoc: Thanks, still learning how it all works |
| 22:42.27 | RITRedbeard | mnemoc, which lenovo? |
| 22:42.46 | mnemoc | the one on the play.com link pasted earlier |
| 22:46.47 | mnemoc | Turl: mali stuff merged |
| 22:46.57 | mnemoc | going to sleep now, see you tomorrow |
| 22:47.05 | mnemoc | good night |
| 22:49.11 | Turl | good night mnemoc |
| 22:49.15 | Turl | patches look good :) |
| 22:52.45 | mnemoc | too tired to fix some of the mistakes recorded in the history... will clean it when porting to 3.3 |
| 22:52.52 | mnemoc | now to bed |
| 22:52.58 | mnemoc | bye |
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