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| 00:53.51 | lundman | Tadah! |
| 00:55.20 | DonkeyHotei | ? |
| 00:55.25 | Lerc | well done. |
| 00:55.44 | DonkeyHotei | ? |
| 00:58.17 | lundman | Thank you thank you, I didn't practise or anything |
| 00:58.38 | DonkeyHotei | ? |
| 00:58.40 | lundman | I hear this is a good place to discuss what to do with the mele |
| 00:58.45 | DonkeyHotei | indeed |
| 00:59.24 | Lerc | The best thing to do with the Mele is send one to me. |
| 00:59.48 | lundman | I have a A2000 and a CuBox, just doing some dev with them, and seeing if either could be a viable mediaplayer |
| 01:00.07 | lundman | lerc: but, it had to get to me via donkey, its totally exhausted |
| 01:00.26 | DonkeyHotei | what exactly was the difference between the A1000 and A2000 again? |
| 01:00.55 | lundman | memory |
| 01:01.48 | lundman | I tested android 4 on it, and with bubbleupnp it does pretty good. can play most scene 1080p, but nothing higher, nor can I change resolution to 1080p on hdmi |
| 01:01.59 | lundman | whats the popular way to use mele in here? everyone gone for ubuntu? |
| 01:02.30 | ManoftheSea | lundman: sorry, don't have one, can't tell you. |
| 01:22.46 | DonkeyHotei | http://ubuntu.com/tv |
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| 06:17.37 | hno | lundman, I use mine for kernel hacking with serial console. |
| 06:17.51 | hno | and u-boot. |
| 06:19.07 | lundman | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.12 | mnemoc | lundman: both meles have 4GB of NAND and 512MB of RAM, the only difference is the case |
| 06:56.47 | lundman | Huh. in that case, A2000 does not come with drive-case either |
| 06:57.30 | mnemoc | initially it was assumed the a1000 had 2GB, but that was until someone actually decided to look :p |
| 06:58.12 | lundman | what's the difference in case anyway? |
| 06:58.19 | mnemoc | less wide |
| 06:59.22 | mnemoc | the a1000 has the VGA port at the side of the PCB, extending a case for like an inch |
| 06:59.49 | lundman | ah interesting |
| 07:00.17 | mnemoc | the a2000 moved that port over the RCA connectors, shrinking the case like a inch wide but making it sighly taller |
| 07:10.53 | hno | the A2000 case is also square/flat, where the A1000 case is tilted a bit, thinner at the back. |
| 07:11.52 | hno | still have the A1000 case somewhere on the desk.. |
| 07:38.48 | mnemoc | hno: a13 PDFs on your mailbox ;-) |
| 07:39.13 | mnemoc | this is getting exciting |
| 08:20.58 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: master * r6cb1179349c7 /allwinner_a10/orders/Vladus.mdwn: |
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| 08:37.16 | hno | mnemoc, odd... there is an JTAG module in the CPU diagram, but no pins? And only UART1/3 but schematis have UART0 on SD.. |
| 08:37.54 | hno | guesses it really have 3 UARTS and JTAG, with UART0 & JTAG multiplexed on SD0 like what is possible on A10. |
| 08:40.50 | mnemoc | the datasheet is also on the mail, but haven't looked it deeply yet |
| 08:43.36 | hno | it's the basic datasheet, not much details. |
| 08:43.37 | mnemoc | the block diagram shows jtag but not the tables of multiplexed pins.. |
| 08:43.49 | hno | exactly |
| 08:44.31 | mnemoc | meh :| |
| 08:45.09 | hno | Would be very odd for them to not route JTAG anywhere. |
| 08:49.23 | mnemoc | maybe in PE mixed with the SPI as they did in the A10? .oO .... meh :< |
| 08:54.37 | hno | PF would make more sense. |
| 08:55.53 | mnemoc | very true |
| 09:12.15 | hno | SDC2 has x8 support for MMC-x8 / CE-ATA. as alternative to NAND. |
| 09:13.12 | mnemoc | nice |
| 09:13.44 | hno | and can boot from it. |
| 09:14.30 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 09:18.19 | hno | apparently A10 can as well, but only with an x4 interface. |
| 09:22.52 | hno | mnemoc, is there any A13 fex files in the source drop? |
| 09:25.27 | hno | there is... |
| 09:32.35 | mnemoc | hno: I've only seen sun4i .fex files yet, but i'll extract the android tarball and see what `find` can see |
| 09:32.56 | hno | it's hidden like in the other. |
| 09:33.13 | hno | in tools |
| 09:34.05 | lundman | anyone taken the Video selection panel from mele to get to work with ICS4? |
| 09:34.37 | hno | don't do Android. |
| 09:34.45 | mnemoc | ./lichee/tools/pack/chips/sun4i/ |
| 09:34.58 | hno | tools/pack/chips/sun5i/ |
| 09:34.59 | mnemoc | i don't see any a12/a13/sun5i in that part |
| 09:35.02 | mnemoc | uh |
| 09:35.09 | hno | as I said it's hidden. |
| 09:35.39 | mnemoc | lost in a merge too? |
| 09:35.44 | hno | mm |
| 09:36.00 | mnemoc | I don't see it directly there |
| 09:36.10 | hno | cd .../chips |
| 09:36.14 | hno | git log --stat . |
| 09:36.44 | mnemoc | yes, deleted by merge from tag exdroid4.0.1r1-v0.5 |
| 09:37.32 | mnemoc | this deserves some unremoving and publishing too |
| 09:54.14 | hno | There is configs for JTAG in both PF and PB. But the PB pins referenced do not exists. |
| 09:54.30 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 09:57.10 | hno | or.. those are not A13. |
| 09:57.59 | mnemoc | A12 maybe? |
| 09:58.08 | hno | Probably. All A13 configs refers to PF. |
| 09:58.26 | hno | and different PF pins from A10. |
| 10:09.44 | hno | jtag_ck = port:PF5<4><0><default><default> |
| 10:09.44 | hno | jtag_di = port:PF1<4><0><default><default> |
| 10:09.45 | hno | jtag_do = port:PF3<4><0><default><default> |
| 10:09.45 | hno | jtag_ms = port:PF0<4><0><default><default> |
| 10:11.21 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 10:11.51 | mnemoc | multi4 is out of the datasheet :p |
| 10:12.35 | hno | the datasheed numbering has no hardware correlation. |
| 10:14.27 | hno | sdc_d0 = port:PE4<4><1><2><default> |
| 10:14.43 | hno | multi1 in the datasheet. |
| 10:14.45 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: George master * r90cb8c157f94 /allwinner_a10/orders/112233qqwwee.mdwn: |
| 10:15.04 | mnemoc | wth |
| 10:18.39 | hno | Wonder if it can boot from SDC2? |
| 10:18.52 | hno | I presume it can. |
| 10:21.30 | hno | would be odd otherwise as it's an alternative to NAND. |
| 10:31.57 | hno | Hmm.. what is it that is special with the allwinner serial driver? The UARTs are supposed to be 16550 compatible. The DMA support? |
| 10:33.50 | mnemoc | drivers/tty/serial/8250_sunxi.c doesn't include anything about dma |
| 10:34.43 | mnemoc | only sys_config thing and addresses |
| 10:37.56 | hno | It's renamed in the new tree? Was sw-uart.c |
| 10:39.46 | hno | Oh, it's completely cleaned up using 8250 infrastructure. Nice. |
| 10:40.07 | hno | reduction from 1413 to 320 lines. |
| 10:45.19 | mnemoc | yes, it's very nice |
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| 11:33.19 | mnemoc | hipboi! |
| 11:33.32 | hipboi_ | hi |
| 11:35.01 | mnemoc | nice to see you back |
| 11:35.09 | zenitraM | hi! it's been a long time :) |
| 11:35.53 | hipboi_ | yes |
| 11:37.28 | mnemoc | back in zhuhai? |
| 11:38.38 | hno | hi hipboi_ ! |
| 11:38.46 | hno | and congratulations to your wedding |
| 11:39.01 | hipboi_ | thank you |
| 11:39.11 | hno | saw your pictures. Very nice. |
| 11:39.28 | hipboi_ | : ) |
| 11:39.37 | hipboi_ | marriages means more responsibility |
| 11:40.16 | hno | indeed. |
| 11:43.17 | hno | here we are still digesting the latest source drop. Some nice cleanups in there compared to earlier code. |
| 11:44.44 | mnemoc | expect the merges from exdroid :p whatever that is |
| 11:45.20 | mnemoc | but it's clear the code on the real respositories is much nicer than 2.6.36's |
| 11:47.02 | hno | mnemoc, the merges are just merges. Many improved bits in them, plus more. |
| 11:47.10 | mnemoc | indeed |
| 12:12.14 | mnemoc | hno: allwinner-v3.0-android-v2 now has your earlyprintk implementation, but haven't tested it yet |
| 12:15.50 | hno | ok |
| 12:34.45 | mnemoc | worked! |
| 12:35.33 | mnemoc | booted the mele with serial output |
| 12:35.41 | mnemoc | happy |
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| 13:30.07 | mnemoc | [ 71.240000] Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 528a4724 |
| 13:30.15 | mnemoc | loading the sata driver :( |
| 13:31.13 | steev_ | it hates you |
| 13:31.25 | mnemoc | yes |
| 13:37.07 | hno | mnemoc, the earlier works in 3.0? |
| 13:38.00 | mnemoc | yes |
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| 13:48.10 | mnemoc | cromo: hey! you left before I could tell you I had testest the same kernel and it didn't fry my dongle |
| 14:31.35 | DonkeyHotei | gah, missed him by 5 minutes |
| 14:33.21 | mnemoc | that reminds me... |
| 14:33.42 | mnemoc | CapnKernel: hi! did the cloning finish? :) |
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| 14:41.29 | mikey_w | I saw a reference to a wiki on the mailing list but no URL? |
| 14:41.59 | mnemoc | http://rhombus-tech.net/ ? |
| 14:44.05 | mnemoc | CapnKernel: drivers/net/wireless/rtl8192cu/hal/rtl8192c/usb/usb_halinit.c is detected as BIG5 |
| 14:44.41 | mnemoc | CapnKernel: while modules/wifi/ar6302/AR6K_SDK_ISC.build_3.1_RC.329/host/sdiostack/src/busdriver/_busdriver.h is totally unrecognized |
| 14:51.14 | traeak | hmm |
| 14:51.28 | traeak | now i have fw 1.6 running about time to screw with linux stuff |
| 14:51.30 | traeak | yarg |
| 14:51.57 | mnemoc | CapnKernel: this is the toy I'm using to reencode massively http://dpaste.com/748034/ |
| 14:55.07 | mnemoc | CapnKernel: the result is 227 files reencoded (hopefully correctly) and 89 unrecognized |
| 14:59.44 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: nil master * r0c0ed14fb719 /allwinner_a10/A10_Kernel_Status.mdwn: slightly updated. |
| 15:23.26 | hno | mnemoc, feeding the utf-8 to google translate is a quite good test to see if it's correct. If it starts talking nonsense about grandma etc then it's wrong. |
| 15:23.57 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:25.00 | hno | did that with one of the txt files in the SDK. Was quite funny. |
| 15:25.11 | mnemoc | :D |
| 15:25.53 | hno | it was still sentences, just very incoherent and completely unrelated. |
| 15:26.26 | mnemoc | I've never had luck with a chinese translation yet |
| 15:27.34 | mnemoc | one that has me particulary worried is 出口总包直封封发 |
| 15:28.02 | mnemoc | which is the postal state of some stuff I bought over 2 months ago |
| 15:28.02 | mikey_w | Building the kernel from source. This is gonna take awhile on my machine. |
| 15:28.05 | hno | translated the whole evb guide with google translate before we got an english copy. http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/doc/A10%20EVB%20Manual.pdf |
| 15:28.17 | mnemoc | oh |
| 15:31.28 | hno | it's quite readable. |
| 15:32.09 | mnemoc | hno: how did you translate the PDF itself? |
| 15:33.25 | traeak | crap my wife may hijack my mele to watch chinese tv on |
| 15:34.17 | zenitraM | wow. a10 tablets are getting really cheap |
| 15:34.18 | zenitraM | http://www.aliexpress.com/store/100712/211533208-540505254/2012-Real-Free-Shipping-Allwinner-A10-Android-4-0-Capacitive-pc-tablet-7-with-Camera-Cortex.html |
| 15:34.51 | traeak | oh |
| 15:35.06 | traeak | did you see the zenethink c71 tablet for 76USD? that's amlogic a9 |
| 15:35.18 | traeak | i have that same tablet here...poor battery though |
| 15:35.22 | hno | mnemoc, copy-paste of the text to google-translate into libreoffice. |
| 15:35.47 | zenitraM | also, 10$ discount on aliexpress for orders >80$ with "rewardbuyer05" |
| 15:36.03 | traeak | special deal got killt for the amlogic based tablet |
| 15:36.17 | traeak | btw, what's current status on the amlogic? too many GPL violations? |
| 15:36.27 | mnemoc | hno: :) |
| 15:39.07 | traeak | http://liliputing.com/2012/05/zenithink-c71-tablet-on-sale-for-76-build-your-own-vivaldi-linux-tablet.html |
| 15:39.13 | traeak | that deal was yesterday but gone as well |
| 15:39.50 | zenitraM | well guess what is cheaper than A10? |
| 15:40.00 | zenitraM | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/561358890-2012-hot-5-inch-onda-vx580w-standard-Android-4-0-Capacitive-touch-Allwinner-A13-Tablet-PC-wholesalers.html |
| 15:43.03 | traeak | sweet |
| 15:43.12 | traeak | a13 should be fine for tablets, they don't need sata |
| 15:43.20 | traeak | missing hdmi mostly isn't a big deal IMHO |
| 15:43.46 | traeak | problem is we may see the a10 go away in favor of the a13 |
| 15:44.37 | traeak | shipping is brutal |
| 15:45.27 | mnemoc | it's annoying aliexpress removed the option to filter by minimal qty |
| 15:49.41 | mnemoc | CapnKernel: hno: I changed the script to go trial-and-error with a list of encodings and it seems it worked :) |
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| 15:52.38 | hno | mnemoc, excellent! |
| 15:52.49 | hno | now for the fun part of getting it translated.. |
| 15:52.54 | mnemoc | :p |
| 15:55.42 | hno | should be possible to identify the strings somehow, write a script to pull them out in a pot and into one of the translation frameworks making it manageable. |
| 15:56.05 | mikey_w | Does anyone have an image for a sd card that boots android 4.0? |
| 15:56.30 | hno | barely boots android whatever that ships on the mele. |
| 15:56.55 | hno | mikey_w, for mele? |
| 15:56.59 | mikey_w | yes |
| 15:58.30 | mikey_w | I am building lichee and android 4.0 but haven't the foggiest idea how to get the result booted on the mele? |
| 15:58.49 | traeak | hno: made 1.6FW installer on that usb1.1 system, just installed 1.6FW and been looking at it. have other work to do though...lost about a week of work being really sick and we hvae a huge demo next monday |
| 15:59.15 | hno | mikey_w talk to traeak |
| 15:59.30 | traeak | lichee ? |
| 15:59.48 | traeak | you mean android4 image provided by mele? |
| 16:00.03 | hno | it was mikey_w who asked for mele sd image. |
| 16:00.04 | mikey_w | yes |
| 16:00.18 | mikey_w | for the mele. |
| 16:00.37 | mnemoc | lichee is the name of allwinner's BSP |
| 16:00.46 | mikey_w | Still compiling. |
| 16:01.10 | mikey_w | Slow machine. |
| 16:01.36 | hno | mikey_w, should be fairly easy to get u-boot-mmc + custom android booting from sd-only. |
| 16:03.03 | mikey_w | I just got "make: *** No rule to make target `sun4i-lite'. Stop." from my compile? |
| 16:05.42 | hno | sun4i-lite? what is that? |
| 16:06.23 | traeak | i'll shut up until i get a proper toolchain running. |
| 16:06.37 | mnemoc | :) |
| 16:14.51 | mikey_w | Where does the output of the compile go. What folder? |
| 16:15.30 | mikey_w | I think the kernel compile finished and just the uboot compile failed. |
| 16:16.00 | mnemoc | mikey_w: this channel isn't really much into android building, we don't have the experience needed to give you good answers |
| 16:16.21 | mikey_w | Sigh. |
| 16:17.08 | mnemoc | it seems only traeak has ever tried to build a10-android here |
| 16:18.35 | mikey_w | ok |
| 16:25.04 | traeak | well i just wanted to check it out |
| 16:25.19 | traeak | i'm actually more interested in arch for the short term |
| 16:25.25 | mnemoc | traeak: I didn't say as a bad thing :p |
| 16:30.02 | mnemoc | wow.... 的相关寄存器都需要通过这个地址值映射偏移找到 has meaning! and even shorter in english than chinese |
| 16:31.49 | mnemoc | and grandma wasn't involved this time |
| 16:32.13 | DonkeyHotei | i think that rather than translating all the comments at once, it might be better just to translate the ones in the code being worked on at any given moment |
| 16:32.56 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: absolutely, I only care about standarizing the encodings to utf-8 |
| 16:33.18 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: I only translated that one because it seemed too long to be real |
| 16:33.27 | DonkeyHotei | ah |
| 16:34.03 | mnemoc | the usual comments only have 3-4 glyphs between ascii terms |
| 16:34.08 | DonkeyHotei | but i would speculate that if most of them are already utf-8, then likely all of them are |
| 16:34.23 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: there was 0 utf-8 file |
| 16:34.31 | DonkeyHotei | ok |
| 16:34.47 | DonkeyHotei | if there is no utf-8, then it's likely all gb |
| 16:35.00 | mnemoc | different flavours of GB, yes |
| 16:35.05 | mnemoc | 2 files were Big5 |
| 16:35.07 | DonkeyHotei | big5 was never really adopted outside taiwan |
| 16:35.29 | mnemoc | programmer was taiwanese I suppose |
| 16:35.40 | DonkeyHotei | right |
| 16:36.34 | mnemoc | the missing files to reencode are mode modules/foo ... which are guess got destroyed when they imported the third-party drivers |
| 16:36.44 | mnemoc | s/mode/from/ |
| 16:37.13 | mnemoc | err |
| 16:37.52 | DonkeyHotei | lol |
| 16:38.09 | mnemoc | the missing files to reencode are in the modules/* tree, made of drivers imported from versioned releases |
| 16:38.36 | mnemoc | my guess is that their chinese got destroyed by extracting them on windows |
| 16:38.47 | mnemoc | as they are also CRLF |
| 16:39.12 | mnemoc | and I need another cup of coffee |
| 16:39.14 | mnemoc | :| |
| 16:39.19 | DonkeyHotei | idiots will be idiots |
| 16:41.38 | mnemoc | thank you :) |
| 16:44.16 | mnemoc | DonkeyHotei: could you review wip/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/utf-8 and see if what's encoded on those UTF-8 is really chinese? :) |
| 16:44.20 | mnemoc | please |
| 16:48.04 | DonkeyHotei | i can't actually read chinese without google translate, you know |
| 16:48.32 | mnemoc | I didn't :< |
| 16:48.42 | DonkeyHotei | however, QingPei appears to be a chinese nick |
| 16:50.59 | mnemoc | if anyone can, it's only about sweeping the scroll made by: LESSCHARSET=utf-8 git diff origin/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2..wip/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/utf-8 |
| 16:51.23 | mnemoc | and confirming all the + lines are chinese |
| 16:52.00 | mnemoc | very simple task, but helpful.... now I need to switch to something more $productive$ :p |
| 16:54.15 | mnemoc | diff -w |
| 16:56.30 | QingPei | DonkeyHotei: yeah..i am from chinese |
| 16:56.57 | DonkeyHotei | QingPei: can you help with what mnemoc said? |
| 16:57.47 | QingPei | the translation? |
| 16:58.32 | mnemoc | QingPei: for now only to confirm the reencoding to utf8 went well |
| 16:59.15 | QingPei | mnemoc: anything i can help? |
| 16:59.42 | mnemoc | QingPei: if you can recognize chinese sentences, absolutely :) |
| 16:59.56 | DonkeyHotei | [Sun 2012-05-13 02:58:43 PM PDT] <CapnKernel1> It's not Chinese in any way shape or form <-------- basically, to determine this |
| 17:00.10 | QingPei | which sentence? |
| 17:00.23 | mnemoc | QingPei: a git diff |
| 17:00.43 | mnemoc | LESSCHARSET=utf-8 git diff -w origin/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2..wip/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/utf-8 |
| 17:01.02 | mnemoc | in a checkout of https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner |
| 17:01.31 | DonkeyHotei | it's either chinese text or gibberish consisting of chinese characters, and mnemoc wants to know which |
| 17:01.36 | zenitraM | mnemoc: if QingPei doesn't have the repo cloned it's probably much, much more faster to upload a the diff somewhere |
| 17:01.52 | QingPei | zenitraM: yeah.. |
| 17:02.25 | mnemoc | good point, 1m |
| 17:05.35 | mnemoc | QingPei: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24940371/utf-8.diff.gz |
| 17:06.23 | mnemoc | QingPei: that diff is utf-8 encoded, and I need to know if the + lines are all chinese and not gibberish consisting of chinese characters |
| 17:07.30 | QingPei | 1m |
| 17:07.41 | QingPei | it's much slow to open that |
| 17:08.23 | mnemoc | a 153KB file |
| 17:08.23 | zenitraM | my git clone has been "Compressing objects" for 10min and it's still at 32% |
| 17:08.43 | mnemoc | zenitraM: learn to reuse your .git dirs ;-) |
| 17:09.23 | zenitraM | yeah, that's something on my list |
| 17:09.27 | QingPei | try to mail me |
| 17:09.33 | QingPei | wangqingpei@gmail.com |
| 17:09.51 | zenitraM | wasn't dropbox banned in china? |
| 17:10.02 | mnemoc | uh |
| 17:10.30 | QingPei | i am not sure, some times i can use dropbox, sometimes not |
| 17:10.48 | zenitraM | http://eiffel.itram.es/files/utf-8.diff.gz <-- try that one |
| 17:11.12 | mnemoc | QingPei: sent |
| 17:11.44 | zenitraM | mnemoc: tried downloading the .zip from github, and apart from only downloading one branch (and no .git data) |
| 17:11.51 | zenitraM | it does weird things with symlinks |
| 17:11.52 | zenitraM | finishing deferred symbolic links: |
| 17:11.52 | zenitraM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.52 | zenitraM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.53 | zenitraM | r and hrtimers to precisely control the signal.^J |
| 17:12.22 | mnemoc | zenitraM: I believe the repo is just too fat for those features |
| 17:12.47 | zenitraM | seems so |
| 17:13.04 | mnemoc | I usually can't even see the list of branches in the web ui |
| 17:13.08 | mnemoc | it crashes |
| 17:13.15 | zenitraM | it has actually symlinked that file to a file named as the contents of the file |
| 17:13.30 | zenitraM | branches show fine for me |
| 17:17.32 | mnemoc | QingPei: worked? |
| 17:21.33 | hno | mnemoc, that diff does not look like utf-8 at all to me. |
| 17:21.56 | QingPei | the original and the update version seems are different encoding |
| 17:22.15 | mnemoc | QingPei: yes, that;s the purpose |
| 17:22.28 | mnemoc | QingPei: turn 4 different encodings into UTF-8 |
| 17:22.56 | mnemoc | hno: export LESSCHARSET=utf-8 before piping the file to less |
| 17:23.18 | mnemoc | or before `git diff`ing |
| 17:23.46 | QingPei | the newer are chinese version based comments |
| 17:24.06 | QingPei | it's seems the original is chinese too, but are not the same encoding |
| 17:24.08 | hno | mnemoc, filtered out the - lines and things works better.. |
| 17:24.42 | hno | QingPei, yes. Both original and change is chineese. Only change in encoding to use utf-8 everywhere. |
| 17:24.42 | mnemoc | QingPei: both are the same text, - lines are mostly GB and + lines are utf-8 |
| 17:25.46 | QingPei | so you want to translate these comments? or you want to find some info? |
| 17:25.52 | mnemoc | QingPei: we need you to confirm all the + lines are real chinese and not gibberish generated by iconv |
| 17:27.45 | QingPei | mnemoc: yeah, from my side yeah they are real chinese |
| 17:28.00 | mnemoc | QingPei: all of it? :) |
| 17:29.30 | mnemoc | QingPei: no rush, we don't need the answer today ;-) |
| 17:31.56 | QingPei | mnemoc: i will check them all tomorrow |
| 17:32.08 | QingPei | it + lines looks much strange |
| 17:32.44 | mnemoc | QingPei: is your terminal UTF8 or GB? |
| 17:33.06 | mnemoc | QingPei: it's the + lines what matters, not the - |
| 17:34.15 | mnemoc | so your terminal (or editor) needs to be set to UTF8 |
| 17:34.46 | mnemoc | tomorrow is good, thanks a lot! |
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| 17:37.13 | hno | Probably easier to check only having the + lines. http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/utf-8.diff.txt |
| 17:37.41 | hno | tried to feed that to google, but it refuses to translate anything, only moves things around. |
| 17:38.02 | mnemoc | :( |
| 17:38.25 | hno | I guess my server isn't indicating it's utf-8 proper. |
| 17:39.07 | mnemoc | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 |
| 17:39.15 | hno | hmm. yes it does indicate utf-8. |
| 17:40.40 | mnemoc | QingPei: http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/utf-8.diff.txt is a better source, no mixed encodings, easier to review |
| 17:42.44 | mnemoc | wonders how people can actually read/write those languages without getting dizzy |
| 17:43.21 | mnemoc | alphabets are so nice |
| 17:44.19 | mnemoc | I can't even distinguish the shape of most of the glyphs on the terminal :( |
| 17:45.13 | traeak | chinese are about 4000 years behind |
| 17:45.49 | mnemoc | so it's in their DNA? |
| 17:46.12 | traeak | heh, they're stubborn (trust me chinese are stubborn) |
| 17:46.13 | ZaEarl | When I went to Tokyo, I couldn't read the glyphs on the subway signs, but I had the schedule and the trains are always on time. So when the clock said I was at the right station, I got off. |
| 17:46.31 | traeak | heh, adaptation |
| 17:46.39 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 17:51.31 | mnemoc | from my ignorance japanese seems less difficult than chinese |
| 17:52.34 | traeak | apparently it's easier tro learn to speak japanese |
| 17:53.53 | traeak | chinese being tonal has some...issues |
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| 17:54.09 | traeak | apparently it makes it much harder to understand what's said in music |
| 17:58.33 | Turl | hey mnemoc :) |
| 17:59.34 | mnemoc | Turl: hi! wanna review the latest reencoding effort? :) http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/utf-8.diff.txt |
| 17:59.51 | Turl | mnemoc: I was having a look at the github one, looked broken |
| 18:00.03 | Turl | I'll check the txt though :) |
| 18:00.14 | mnemoc | github gets puzzled by the double encoding in the diffs |
| 18:00.41 | Turl | mnemoc: hm, good point, might be as well that |
| 18:00.47 | Turl | I see your file lacks the - lines? |
| 18:01.14 | mnemoc | Turl: that's hno's version... with -s removed to make it easier for translators |
| 18:01.36 | mnemoc | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24940371/utf-8.diff.gz is the real diff |
| 18:01.51 | mnemoc | with the encoding mess |
| 18:02.22 | mnemoc | exporting LESSCHARSET=utf-8 makes it "readable" here |
| 18:03.12 | Turl | mnemoc: well on the txt you linked earlier, it looks OK to me, I don't see any obvious missing latin letters like it happened on github |
| 18:03.20 | Turl | but I don't know if it's actual chinese still |
| 18:05.14 | mnemoc | hopefully QingPei will be able to give us an answer tomorrow |
| 18:05.33 | mnemoc | or CapnKernel |
| 18:05.58 | Turl | mnemoc: google translate seems to agree it's chinese |
| 18:06.00 | traeak | what would you like to see with this? if its real chinese or a translation of it? |
| 18:06.03 | Turl | and the translation makes sense |
| 18:06.12 | traeak | cept my wife doesn't do programming so she probably won't know |
| 18:06.26 | Turl | traeak: if it's real chinese of if the char reencoding broke it all and it's random chars that don't mean anything |
| 18:07.11 | Turl | to us non speakers they just look like funny drawed squares :P |
| 18:07.33 | traeak | leafpad shows mostly garbage |
| 18:07.38 | traeak | what's the UTF8 filemarket? |
| 18:07.39 | traeak | ugh |
| 18:07.58 | mnemoc | first that it's real chinese and not gibberish disguised in chinese letters, later we can translate lines when needed |
| 18:08.29 | Turl | traeak: open the txt on your browser |
| 18:08.53 | traeak | was hoping to manually add a BOM and use leafpad on it |
| 18:09.35 | Turl | most editors also let you choose encoding on their menus |
| 18:09.50 | Turl | mnemoc: google translate makes a decent job at translating this stuff, 'Modify a user requested GPIO IO port, the input and output status' |
| 18:09.56 | traeak | "most editors" |
| 18:10.48 | mnemoc | Turl: yes, but that diff includes content of over 250 files, using iconv and 5 different -f arguments |
| 18:11.07 | mnemoc | Turl: my random tests passed |
| 18:11.16 | mnemoc | Turl: but that isn't enough to actually merge the branch |
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| 18:13.07 | Turl | indeed |
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| 18:15.30 | j1nx | evening guys. Anybody here who owns an "Acer Aspire One ZG5"? |
| 18:16.01 | j1nx | Want to know if the freaking sdcard reader it that bloody thing might be not completely working in 12.04 |
| 18:16.42 | traeak | ARM ? |
| 18:17.21 | j1nx | No atom, but can't get the stupid thing to create a bootable u-boot sdcard for my A1000 |
| 18:17.30 | traeak | #atom-netbook |
| 18:17.46 | j1nx | Wondering if the stupid thing is not plain broken. |
| 18:18.01 | traeak | ahh |
| 18:18.13 | traeak | there's teh whole skip vs seek problem |
| 18:18.21 | j1nx | what? |
| 18:18.26 | traeak | for the 'dd' command |
| 18:18.34 | mnemoc | the dd arguments need to be precise |
| 18:19.03 | j1nx | sudo dd if=u-boot-spl-mmc.bin of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 seek=8 |
| 18:19.11 | traeak | sry i thought you came her to ask about your atom netbook hardware :-p |
| 18:19.22 | j1nx | and then in my case it is actually; |
| 18:19.37 | j1nx | sudo dd if=u-boot-spl-mmc.bin of=/dev/mmcpl0k bs=1024 seek=8 |
| 18:20.41 | mnemoc | 2 files, not just one |
| 18:21.14 | j1nx | yes, after that the u-boot.bin at seek=32 |
| 18:21.16 | traeak | the bad quewstion: what's the authoritative wiki page? |
| 18:21.27 | j1nx | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_mmc_boot/ |
| 18:21.38 | j1nx | (sorry!) |
| 18:22.36 | j1nx | I also tried HNO his blob from the mailing list |
| 18:22.51 | traeak | you've gotten somethong to work at one point though right? |
| 18:23.34 | j1nx | No, that's the point; First I got nothing on the UART, but after connecting the HDMI I saw the android there |
| 18:24.04 | traeak | needs to go back and redo the whole image construction thing again |
| 18:24.06 | j1nx | But now I got nothing on both and the light in front is a bit "purple" indicating there must be a combination of red and blue |
| 18:25.29 | hno | j1nx, then the SD-card booted and your problem is the UART connection. |
| 18:25.48 | hno | or terminal settings. |
| 18:26.28 | j1nx | Ah, thanks for that |
| 18:26.40 | j1nx | So what might be wrong at that step |
| 18:27.01 | j1nx | from left to right it is; Ground / Rxd / Txd / 3.3v |
| 18:28.03 | j1nx | All for connected to the USB->Serial usb PL2303 connector received from Tom |
| 18:28.38 | j1nx | Talking ofcourse about teh picture at; http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/ |
| 18:29.07 | j1nx | I open my serial at the CLI by; screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 |
| 18:29.15 | mnemoc | try swapping Rx and Tx |
| 18:29.25 | mnemoc | and don't connect the VCC to the dongle |
| 18:29.47 | traeak | i screwed up the rx/tx first time around |
| 18:29.51 | j1nx | no indeed no VCC, but what about 3v3 |
| 18:30.10 | traeak | nah, just data lines should be fine but i have the ground connected myself |
| 18:30.25 | vgrade | just tx,rx here |
| 18:31.19 | DonkeyHotei | you need the ground |
| 18:31.27 | DonkeyHotei | always |
| 18:31.42 | vgrade | works with just tx/rx here |
| 18:31.56 | traeak | DonkeyHotei: theoretically... |
| 18:32.06 | DonkeyHotei | no, you need it |
| 18:32.40 | j1nx | OH FOR GOD SAKES!!! (thanks for the swap tip ;) |
| 18:33.00 | vgrade | :) |
| 18:33.05 | DonkeyHotei | otherwise output will be interspersed with garbage when it scrolls by too fast |
| 18:33.31 | vgrade | DonkeyHotei, works ok here |
| 18:33.42 | j1nx | can someone update the wiki? |
| 18:33.54 | DonkeyHotei | if the text starts scrolling by faster, you need the ground |
| 18:34.00 | vgrade | j1nx, its a wiki |
| 18:34.14 | j1nx | okokok |
| 18:36.05 | vgrade | DonkeyHotei, http://pastebin.com/Jv4NjkqA |
| 18:36.18 | vgrade | DonkeyHotei, works oh here |
| 18:36.40 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Peter master * r1bab80559a59 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: |
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| 18:36.45 | j1nx | Done! |
| 18:36.49 | Yrouel | hi |
| 18:36.52 | Turl | haha "HELLO!" :) |
| 18:38.20 | Yrouel | I just found out about the allwinner a10 |
| 18:38.28 | Yrouel | where is possible to buy those? |
| 18:40.44 | Yrouel | another question those boards are PCMCIA peripherals or are they also capable of working standalone? |
| 18:45.31 | j1nx | Yrouel; http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/orders/ |
| 18:45.51 | j1nx | preorders of the EOMA68 module |
| 18:46.12 | j1nx | If you want something now! Google for the Mele A1000 or A2000 |
| 18:48.26 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: master * r7e290e390a6d /allwinner_a10/orders/zloy.mdwn: |
| 18:48.28 | traeak | dealextreme dropped price on the mele a1000 |
| 18:48.51 | hno | traeak, you NEED GND connected. Not having GND connected may in worst case burn both the mele and the UART dongle, or in most cases unreliable connection. It's pure luck if it works without GND. |
| 18:49.29 | hno | Yrouel, it's not PCMCIA at all, only same connector type. |
| 18:50.11 | hno | and no EMOA68 boards exists yet. Hopefully there will be alpha boards relatively shortly. |
| 18:52.03 | hno | Meles should be bought from http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/511685 unless you have a good reason to buy elsewhere. |
| 18:54.56 | vgrade | hno, nod |
| 18:54.57 | hno | about the best price available, and from the right seller. |
| 19:00.53 | Yrouel | hno thanks |
| 19:01.01 | Yrouel | so those are standalone boards? |
| 19:04.35 | mnemoc | Yrouel: those are media centers with a hack friendly PCB and allwinner a10 SoC |
| 19:05.37 | hno | Yrouel, the EOMA68 A10 boards will be usable standalone when available, only needing an USB cable for power. |
| 19:05.51 | Yrouel | perfect |
| 19:06.01 | Yrouel | thankyou very much |
| 19:06.45 | hno | The Mele is not EOMA68 A10, just a random device using the same CPU as will be used in EOMA68 A10. |
| 19:07.37 | mnemoc | people seems to confuse the allwinner a10 *chip* with the eoma68 card :-/ |
| 19:08.02 | traeak | heh |
| 19:08.03 | Yrouel | yep I did |
| 19:08.14 | traeak | mele is manufactured, eoma68 isn't |
| 19:08.35 | Yrouel | I think that eoma68 is more a cpu name and allwinner a10 a complete device name |
| 19:08.47 | Yrouel | eoma68 kinda sounds like omap |
| 19:08.52 | traeak | heh |
| 19:12.13 | mnemoc | allwinner a10 is a cpu name, eoma68 is an standard interface |
| 19:17.15 | hno | interface & PCMCIA form factor. |
| 19:17.52 | mnemoc | right |
| 19:17.53 | ZaEarl | Allwinner A10 is more than just a cpu. |
| 19:18.25 | ZaEarl | but it's not a complete device either. |
| 19:18.41 | mnemoc | right, it is my favourite cpu :p |
| 19:19.11 | ZaEarl | What I would give for Allwinner to do a dual-Cortex A9 SoC. |
| 19:19.25 | mnemoc | that's sun6i |
| 19:19.29 | mnemoc | but still not disclosed |
| 19:20.10 | mnemoc | there are some tiny references in the latest source drop, but nothing really useful... only it's existance |
| 19:20.10 | hno | they do good sales with the A10 & A13 right now. Too early to confuse marked with next generation. |
| 19:20.30 | DonkeyHotei | how is the A13 different, again? |
| 19:20.34 | hno | s/ked/ket/ |
| 19:20.48 | hno | DonkeyHotei, more cost effective for tablet design. |
| 19:21.00 | DonkeyHotei | in what ways? |
| 19:21.05 | hno | and better memory interface. |
| 19:21.18 | mnemoc | no sata, no ethernet, no hdmi, less pins, ... |
| 19:21.34 | hno | much smaller chip |
| 19:21.57 | hno | cheaper chip, cheaper board design. |
| 19:22.08 | DonkeyHotei | but a lot of tablets do hdmi |
| 19:22.09 | hno | and no HDMI license. |
| 19:22.18 | hno | not the A13 based ones. |
| 19:22.36 | DonkeyHotei | so they have no video output except lvds? |
| 19:22.42 | hno | correct |
| 19:22.52 | DonkeyHotei | hmm |
| 19:23.00 | mnemoc | it targets a market where hdmi output is not needed |
| 19:23.11 | mnemoc | for a much cheaper price |
| 19:23.35 | hno | there was a link posted earlier today.. |
| 19:23.52 | DonkeyHotei | maybe the ZaTab should have used it |
| 19:24.14 | hno | <zenitraM> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/561358890-2012-hot-5-inch-onda-vx580w-standard-Android-4-0-Capacitive-touch-Allwinner-A13-Tablet-PC-wholesalers.html |
| 19:24.15 | mnemoc | you mean olinuxino's github with the a13's datasheet? |
| 19:24.32 | DonkeyHotei | specs on it would be the same except hdmi |
| 19:24.33 | hno | no I meant a cheap A13 tablet. |
| 19:25.23 | zenitraM | http://gaga.aliexpress.com/100008408-553345085-detail.html |
| 19:25.32 | zenitraM | now *that's* cheap- |
| 19:25.44 | zenitraM | except there are only five, so getting one would be next to impossible |
| 19:27.15 | DonkeyHotei | 7" though |
| 19:28.24 | zenitraM | and crappy screen and RAM. seems like the A13 is targeted for *extremely* low cost tablets. |
| 19:28.46 | traeak | holy crap |
| 19:32.24 | hno | zenitraM, when you look for cheapest price you get cheapest stuff.. |
| 19:33.37 | hno | There is more expensive alternatives such as http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/558919327-9-7-inch-Android-4-0-Tablet-PC-Gemei-G9-Allwinner-A10-Dual-Camera-A13-1GB-wholesalers.html |
| 19:33.38 | Turl | damn mail, hurry up :) I want my tab already :P |
| 19:34.20 | zenitraM | mmm according to the detailed specs that's an a10 |
| 19:34.24 | hno | Arg.. but thats an A10.. |
| 19:34.42 | zenitraM | there's no reason to put an A13 on a "higher end" product |
| 19:35.20 | traeak | sata and hdmi are nice in NON tablet systems |
| 19:35.21 | mnemoc | if they are going to pay for a good screen, it would be dumb to not pay the extra for a10 and hdmi |
| 19:35.45 | Yrouel | bye |
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| 19:36.16 | DonkeyHotei | how often are you gonna use hdmi on your tablet? seriously... |
| 19:36.40 | mnemoc | I don't use tablets at all... |
| 19:36.45 | zenitraM | that's why i love the market decision of.. instead of going directly to develop the next generation, let's spend our time on making a lower cost version of the existing SoC with less features and not much new things to try to scrape a few dollars of it |
| 19:37.25 | MaDMaLKaV | one of the biggest problems of being working like 12 hours a day is that I always get home too late to find the good forum offers for some stuff I'm looking to buy. puagh |
| 19:37.36 | MaDMaLKaV | and after this bit of information nobody cares about, I'm going to dinner. bbl |
| 19:37.40 | traeak | cheap handheld gaming comes to mind |
| 19:38.39 | hno | Seems all A13 devices have 512MB ram. |
| 19:39.28 | DonkeyHotei | i wonder whether that's a requirement |
| 19:39.47 | traeak | might be another limitation of the a13 compared to a10 |
| 19:39.47 | hno | It supports 1GB |
| 19:39.55 | traeak | coolio |
| 19:40.11 | hno | A10 should support 2GB but have not seen any with more than 1GB. |
| 19:40.49 | mnemoc | hno: the "brief" of the A13 says it supports up to 512 |
| 19:41.17 | DonkeyHotei | so for a tablet, hdmi is the only real difference, and hdmi is not the most important thing in the world |
| 19:42.13 | mnemoc | from a user persepective, yes |
| 19:42.21 | hno | Err.. right. A13 maxes at 512MB. |
| 19:42.55 | DonkeyHotei | oh |
| 19:43.03 | DonkeyHotei | that's not so good, then |
| 19:44.18 | hno | For the targeted market it's quite sufficient. |
| 19:44.22 | mnemoc | for a cheap tablet, it's plenty |
| 19:45.34 | traeak | only 5 units for sale though |
| 19:45.37 | zenitraM | are there details of how much cheaper is the A13 vs the A10? |
| 19:46.15 | hno | I think that very much depends on who you are and quantity. Neither have a fixed standard price. |
| 19:49.00 | hno | zenitraM, one word is that A10 costs 50% more than A13, which makes A13 33% cheaper than A10. |
| 19:49.22 | hno | for the chip alone. |
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| 19:57.22 | hno | and board manufacturing is also a bit cheaper from the smaller chip size (less quality problems) |
| 19:57.23 | mikey_w | traeak, Are you here? |
| 19:58.15 | traeak | mikey_w: yeah, on phone though (yuk) |
| 19:58.43 | mikey_w | ok when you have a moment. |
| 19:59.30 | traeak | mikey_w: go ahead and type the question :-p |
| 20:00.05 | mikey_w | I understand you have built the kernel and android. |
| 20:00.16 | mikey_w | I have a few questions. |
| 20:00.18 | traeak | mikey_w: no haven't yet, someone overstated :-p |
| 20:00.25 | mikey_w | ok |
| 20:00.29 | traeak | mikey_w: i'm getting there |
| 20:00.33 | mikey_w | Bad info. |
| 20:01.16 | mikey_w | I've built the kernel and I'm attempting to build the ICS sources. |
| 20:01.48 | traeak | ahh |
| 20:01.58 | traeak | well i'm honestly not really interested in pushing android further though :-p |
| 20:02.39 | mikey_w | The kernel build crashed when attempting to compile u-boot but built the kernel fine. |
| 20:04.16 | mikey_w | Make of android 4.0 hiccuped on wrong java version but I removed that check and it's running a build now. |
| 20:04.16 | hno | there is good guides out there on how to build a10 android. |
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| 20:05.59 | mikey_w | I need a guide that goes from building the sources, including android, to creating a bootable sd card for the mele. |
| 20:08.30 | mikey_w | Getting closer on each attempt. |
| 20:09.49 | zenitraM | you'll probably need the mmc branch of u-boot to make it bootable from sd |
| 20:10.35 | mikey_w | Or just use one that already works. |
| 20:11.26 | zenitraM | and then.. alter the equivalent of /etc/fstab on android to point to the right mmc partitions |
| 20:12.27 | mikey_w | Or run android in chroot from the linux build. |
| 20:13.23 | mikey_w | I don't think mmc partitions are needed running from the sd card. |
| 20:14.24 | mikey_w | When I get it running I will publish a sd image. |
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| 20:16.52 | zenitraM | idk, i've always seen separated partitions for /, /data/, /system/ |
| 20:17.08 | zenitraM | not sure how/if android will work having everything on a huge partition |
| 20:17.36 | mikey_w | If not I will adjust it. |
| 20:19.29 | Turl | for the most part it won't care |
| 20:19.43 | Turl | having separate partitions is good though, as you can have /system read only |
| 20:20.20 | DonkeyHotei | oh wow, it's the ChromiumOS guy |
| 20:20.53 | Turl | hm? |
| 20:21.51 | DonkeyHotei | [Mon 2012-05-14 01:14:48 PM PDT] * Hexxeh (u1532@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-comauyfbaneovgyb) has joined #arm-netbook |
| 20:23.23 | Turl | oh |
| 20:24.22 | mnemoc | Hexxeh == the ChromiumOS guy ? |
| 20:25.06 | mnemoc | ah, I see |
| 20:30.05 | vgrade | Hexxeh, \o |
| 20:30.09 | Turl | does any of you know if china post is having any issues? |
| 20:42.55 | zenitraM | well marcan is also here. |
| 20:44.22 | mnemoc | Turl: their website? it's working for me |
| 20:44.48 | zenitraM | a.k.a one of the guys behind the wii/ps3 homebrew-enabling exploits |
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| 20:45.14 | Turl | mnemoc: their service in general |
| 20:45.44 | mnemoc | as couriers? not fast. usually not too slow |
| 20:45.48 | mnemoc | never lost anything |
| 20:45.51 | mnemoc | myself |
| 20:46.29 | Turl | mnemoc: I have two packages of stuff I bought |
| 20:46.44 | Turl | but it's been two weeks from the last tracking information, 'Insert item into bag (Otb)' |
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| 20:47.57 | Turl | one has an arduino, the other one a breadboard and a couple of other stuff |
| 20:48.07 | zenitraM | does it say the city of origin? |
| 20:48.14 | mnemoc | Turl: they may have forgoten to update, happens a lot, check the tracking number in the service of the country of destination |
| 20:48.53 | Turl | zenitraM: says "CHINA POST", that's all it says |
| 20:49.02 | Turl | mnemoc: I'm doing that |
| 20:49.16 | zenitraM | also try on 17track.net |
| 20:49.52 | zenitraM | depending on the city it goes through, on a specific one i can't remember it usually took 1-2 additional weeks to get out of china |
| 20:50.25 | Turl | same info as my post has, 2012-05-03 10:48 CHINA, , Insert item into bag (Otb), , |
| 20:50.58 | zenitraM | well, at least you know it's on a bag. |
| 20:51.06 | mnemoc | I have a 12V power adapter in "been sealed" state for over 1M :< |
| 20:51.08 | Turl | yeah right? :) |
| 20:51.29 | zenitraM | this is why some chinese sellers ship using singapore post, or even sweden post |
| 20:51.34 | Turl | I still have a 3rd package on DX that's payment confirmed but didn't ship yet |
| 20:51.44 | Turl | HK post usually ships better |
| 20:52.03 | zenitraM | and it seems like it's on both directions. my faulty mele has been sitting on zhuhai's post office for a month according to the tracking |
| 20:52.14 | zenitraM | have to ask hipboi if he finally received it |
| 20:53.01 | Turl | yay my tab got assigned a local tracking now |
| 20:53.08 | Turl | let's hope it doesn't hit customs :) |
| 20:54.24 | Turl | EMS is awesome so far, 3-5 days on international shippings for cheap |
| 20:55.18 | traeak | really dumb question: what causes the root partition to be mounted and "init" to be called? |
| 20:56.19 | mnemoc | in spain EMS means taxes and fees while normal chinapost is free |
| 20:56.50 | mnemoc | traeak: the root= argument passed by the bootloader |
| 20:57.26 | mnemoc | and init= for the name of the first tool on userspace to execute, pid1 |
| 20:57.29 | traeak | mnemoc: and i'm trying to figure out what kicks off the boot loader....perhaps i'm missing some wiki somehwere? |
| 20:57.42 | mnemoc | if init= is not provided /sbin/init is exec()ed |
| 20:57.45 | zenitraM | i've received a huge box with 20 wifi-activated-light-t-shirts valued in $150 over EMS and got no taxes at all.. |
| 20:58.10 | Turl | mnemoc: here customs are pretty random, small stuff might get charged and big stuff pass untaxed or viceversa, and the shipping method doesn't seem to matter much as long as the local mail handles it |
| 20:58.19 | zenitraM | then as here |
| 20:58.32 | traeak | i was just hoping to "hack" the mele_boot_part.cpio.gz and have it load up some other distro |
| 20:58.37 | Turl | mnemoc: UPS, FedEx, & the like = tax all the things! though |
| 20:58.45 | Turl | besides they're expensive as f*ck :) |
| 20:58.48 | zenitraM | also i've read reports of correos taxing big untracked parcels |
| 20:59.03 | zenitraM | DHL seems cheap for chinese sellers. lots of them are using it now |
| 20:59.19 | mnemoc | traeak: the chip reads some code in rom called boot0 and executes it. in the A10 that boot0 looks at different options, one of the is a certain code in an specific offset of the SD card, and then execute that |
| 20:59.21 | Turl | here DHL costs quite a bit, pretty much the same as UPS |
| 20:59.30 | Turl | zenitraM: where are you btw? |
| 20:59.45 | traeak | mnemoc: i definitely booted that card before, just trying to be lazy and "hack" it witha different distro |
| 20:59.46 | zenitraM | spain, you? |
| 21:00.02 | traeak | mnemoc: i just backed up the kernel modules and laid them over the new distro |
| 21:00.04 | Turl | argentina |
| 21:00.14 | Turl | we should set up a spanish channel :P |
| 21:00.16 | mnemoc | traeak: SD or nand? |
| 21:00.17 | DonkeyHotei | is mnemoc also in spain? |
| 21:00.24 | zenitraM | it's not what costs to you what matters, it's the opposite direction :P they have cheaper prices there |
| 21:00.30 | mnemoc | i'm from chile, but live in spain, yes |
| 21:00.40 | traeak | just means i have to do more research |
| 21:00.46 | Turl | zenitraM: well yeah, but they still charge you for the customs cost and stuff |
| 21:01.00 | Turl | which is quite a bit on itself too |
| 21:01.03 | zenitraM | Turl: wait until all of the people from Forocoches receive their Mele a2000's from Tom and then we'll need one |
| 21:01.18 | zenitraM | i know, i paid like 63eur for my two meles shipped via dhl |
| 21:01.23 | zenitraM | half was taxes, half was DHL fees |
| 21:01.46 | Turl | zenitraM: what/who's tom btw? |
| 21:02.29 | DonkeyHotei | tom = hipboi |
| 21:02.53 | zenitraM | an engineer from allwinner |
| 21:03.08 | Turl | :) |
| 21:03.40 | Turl | at 62US, it doesn't look bad http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/560500629-New-arrive-Mele-A2000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-Network-Intelligent-drive-HD-player-wholesalers.html |
| 21:03.41 | traeak | mnemonic all SD |
| 21:04.06 | zenitraM | Turl: shipping is not included |
| 21:04.35 | zenitraM | the one Tom sells is cheaper for spain at least: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/546571245-Mele-A2000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html |
| 21:05.22 | Turl | indeed, it's cheaper |
| 21:07.11 | mnemoc | traeak: just write your favourite distribution userspace in the large partition of the card |
| 21:07.25 | Turl | on the other hand, I run MPD on my router :P |
| 21:07.59 | Turl | but it'd make a nice torrent/NAS/pulseaudio box |
| 21:09.23 | Lerc | I don't suppose there's been any work on a Mali Wayland? |
| 21:09.46 | traeak | mnemoc: yup, exactly...and retain the correct kernel modules to lay back over the top |
| 21:10.27 | traeak | mnemoc: i'll just redo that again later, thx...a userspace for OMAP should still run fine i would think |
| 21:10.30 | mnemoc | traeak: just be sure to inject the .ko files in /lib/modules/$KVER |
| 21:13.46 | traeak | mnemoc: did that, justneed to step back over everything again is all |
| 21:15.30 | mnemoc | and depmod :) |
| 21:16.17 | traeak | mnemonic hmm...would have to be able to chroot, etcinto that do do it |
| 21:16.18 | traeak | yuk |
| 21:17.24 | traeak | i'm gonna need more sd cards :( |
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| 21:22.30 | DonkeyHotei | both the A1000 and the A2000 have 4GB, so they're identical? |
| 21:22.52 | mnemoc | the case is different |
| 21:23.12 | mnemoc | and the a2000 is more expensive |
| 21:23.37 | DonkeyHotei | so $5 more for a different case? still seems identical to me |
| 21:24.08 | traeak | uart connector is different |
| 21:24.08 | traeak | hehe |
| 21:24.20 | mnemoc | yes, a2000's is horizontal :p |
| 21:24.31 | DonkeyHotei | lol |
| 21:24.54 | traeak | okay running the depmod is gonna be fun :( |
| 21:35.13 | Hexxeh | Yeah, CrOS guy |
| 21:35.17 | Hexxeh | Massive latency there... :P |
| 21:50.29 | Hexxeh | 63 eur for two of those Mele boxes shipped? |
| 21:50.31 | Hexxeh | Where?! :P |
| 21:51.23 | mnemoc | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/546571245-Mele-A2000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html |
| 21:51.45 | mnemoc | eh, two? |
| 21:52.03 | mnemoc | per unit price in lots of 2 probably |
| 21:52.03 | zenitraM | Hexxeh: you're confused, that's what DHL billed me for customs :( :P |
| 21:52.45 | zenitraM | also http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/511685/0-532332455/Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device.html which is essentially the same but a bit bigger and a HD plastic case |
| 21:56.50 | mnemoc | Hexxeh: so you are porting CrOS to the mele? |
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| 21:57.20 | vgrade | Hexxeh, no hw accel here |
| 21:57.39 | mnemoc | vgrade: ? |
| 21:58.12 | vgrade | no X11 GLES drivers here |
| 21:58.24 | traeak | probably easier to plug in the uart cables on the a1000 :-p |
| 21:58.36 | mnemoc | the a10's VPU decodes from real video to webm |
| 21:58.54 | mnemoc | and we can use igloo's mali drivers |
| 21:59.15 | vgrade | mnemoc, can we |
| 21:59.25 | Hexxeh | mnemoc: i'd be tempted if i had one |
| 21:59.26 | mnemoc | can yes, should no |
| 22:00.28 | mnemoc | Hexxeh: so buy one ;-) |
| 22:00.38 | Hexxeh | i'd be out of the country by the time it arrived |
| 22:00.48 | mnemoc | :< |
| 22:00.54 | Hexxeh | need to save money for flights too, maybe once i get my first paycheck at my summer job :P |
| 22:02.39 | traeak | mnemonic success this time with the distro hack |
| 22:03.24 | mnemoc | traeak: good |
| 22:08.04 | traeak | mnemoc: yup, network, ssh i'm in and good...i guess "wiki it" or something like that |
| 22:08.53 | traeak | btw, this was quick work to get arch linux arm with an omap3 root partition installed and running |
| 22:08.59 | traeak | yet another flavor of distro |
| 22:09.54 | mnemoc | traeak: of course, share your gained knowledge in the wiki |
| 22:10.32 | traeak | which one? |
| 22:11.20 | mnemoc | I only know one wiki collecting this sort of info, http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ |
| 22:12.14 | Turl | goes back to watching 1080p over VGA |
| 22:13.06 | traeak | that's gotta be brutal...well i guess video can't be as bad as text is on hi-res vga |
| 22:13.38 | Turl | well I don't have any HDMI cables on here |
| 22:13.48 | Turl | so I'm living with VGA + 3.5mm for audio |
| 22:14.08 | Turl | quality looks just like HDMI on some other TVs I've seen |
| 22:14.21 | Turl | the refresh rate on video is crap though, often gets tearing |
| 22:14.36 | Turl | not sure if I need to blame my intel graphics or if it's a VGA limitation |
| 22:15.19 | traeak | b4 going ape on the wiki i'll want to clean up the kernel install...i have to go home now |
| 22:15.26 | zenitraM | all I have is VGA and can't find any difference at all with HDMI |
| 22:15.53 | Turl | zenitraM: other than the fact that it doesn't carry audio |
| 22:15.54 | traeak | sounds like you can't compare it to HDMI :-p |
| 22:16.28 | zenitraM | I mean, I've seen HDMI and can't find why VGA is worse :P |
| 22:16.38 | traeak | any reason to prefer ext4 to ext2 for the flash? |
| 22:16.55 | zenitraM | in fact the TV at my living room is a VGA monitor with 5eur thrift store speakers and XBMC |
| 22:18.01 | zenitraM | and a KVM between the mele and a cheapo-atom-based machine which can at most handle 720p |
| 22:18.16 | traeak | i have a 27" monitor here and i DEFINITELY see the difference between vga and hdmi/dvi |
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| 23:07.49 | marcan | zenitraM: I got a cheap A10 based tablet for a project, but I haven't decided whether I have time to try to build/port a custom ROM for it or I'll just use the default firmware for now |
| 23:07.55 | marcan | so I'm just idling here for the time being ;) |
| 23:09.31 | zenitraM | well, nice to have you here anyway :) |
| 23:15.34 | Lerc | I'm in a similar boat, Have an A10 Tablet but the family started playing games on it so much I can't wipe it. |
| 23:18.15 | Turl | I'm on the opposite boat |
| 23:18.20 | Turl | I bought the tablet to hack on it :P |
| 23:18.51 | DonkeyHotei | come sail away |