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| 03:56.30 | mikey_w | I dd(ed) the ubuntu image to a 4GB sd card and I get unsupported format when booting it? |
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| 04:04.11 | Faqtotum | the image is > 4GB |
| 04:04.29 | Faqtotum | :D |
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| 06:15.15 | mikey_w | How do I enable sound for hdmi on the A1000? |
| 06:15.57 | mikey_w | Running mele build 1.5, |
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| 07:11.57 | mikey_w | Ok I dd(ed) the ubuntu to an 8GB sd card and changed the 1st partition type to vfat. When I boot it it say unsupported format. What am I doing wrong? |
| 07:12.55 | mikey_w | Both partitions mount on my netbook and look ok. |
| 07:56.59 | mnemoc | mikey_w: try the mailing list, you will find more people there who has used the official mele images and the ubuntu image |
| 08:40.03 | hno | mnemoc, svn can diff offline. It keeps a copy of the original checked out files. |
| 09:05.18 | mnemoc | :) |
| 09:05.38 | mnemoc | looong time without using it, my apologies :) |
| 09:13.56 | mnemoc | I was in cheap bashing mode |
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| 10:36.15 | Premislaus | hi |
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| 10:49.53 | hno | mnemoc, well, i don't mind. It's about the only thing SVN does reasonably well. Don't understand how people can live with it. Has all the same problems as CVS, only fixing things that do not really matter. |
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| 13:41.30 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Paul master * rd1ca21286e9e /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: |
| 13:46.52 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Paul master * r1e10ef69652b /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: |
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| 14:38.38 | ivanbone | hi,,, |
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| 15:29.42 | traeak | mikey_w: 1.6 has been out |
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| 16:52.22 | traeak | ugh |
| 17:59.04 | mikey_w | Thanks traeak. |
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| 18:00.18 | traeak | takes way too long to download this crap |
| 18:00.48 | traeak | i screw up, blew away my 1.5 download |
| 18:00.53 | traeak | because i had 1.6 |
| 18:01.04 | traeak | and didn't konw they didn't include th stupid utility |
| 18:01.06 | mikey_w | An hour for less than 200MB sucks. |
| 18:01.33 | mikey_w | Hopefully 1.6 will let me boot lucid. |
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| 18:03.59 | specing | 1.5, 1.6 what exactly? |
| 18:04.43 | traeak | just playing with the native mele a1000 firmware |
| 18:05.10 | traeak | then back to trying to do some real hacking ... been ill for almost 2 weeks :( |
| 18:05.46 | specing | And being ill disabled you how? |
| 18:06.04 | specing | Were you hospital ill or just ill? |
| 18:06.06 | traeak | mele was at work |
| 18:06.10 | traeak | only ER once :-p |
| 18:06.40 | specing | Why was meele at work? |
| 18:06.42 | traeak | and my day job trumps as well |
| 18:07.30 | traeak | i have the equipment here and not a 20month old to ruin it |
| 18:22.51 | specing | lol |
| 18:23.32 | traeak | i've found the laptop on the floor more than a few times |
| 18:23.51 | specing | LOL |
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| 19:46.26 | hno | crap.. my data partition is really bad, and my u-boot repository is there. Good thing I do everything in public so it's on github as well. |
| 19:46.38 | traeak | heh |
| 19:49.17 | mnemoc | hno: hope you don't lose anything important |
| 19:50.16 | mnemoc | last time I ended up buyin an external raid1 on my desk... |
| 19:50.21 | mnemoc | buying* |
| 20:01.14 | hno | mnemoc, it's all on github so nothing lost, except the effort to set up the local repository and all remote connections needed. |
| 20:02.31 | hno | There probably is a ton of other stuff lost in that partition. It was in real bad shape. But has nothing "original/unique". Not sure why I placed the u-boot tree there. |
| 20:04.16 | mnemoc | last time, over-trusting an SSD, lost about 3 months of $work$ |
| 20:04.44 | traeak | hehe, why an ssd anyways? |
| 20:05.06 | mnemoc | damn SSD they simply die, sudden 100% lose |
| 20:05.12 | traeak | how long should it take to update the android firmware? |
| 20:05.19 | mnemoc | traeak: speed and battery life |
| 20:05.24 | hno | don't trust his disks. But this was caused by software/controllre failure. Disk as such is fine. |
| 20:05.31 | traeak | something that definitely wears out over time with writes isn't exactly something i might trust |
| 20:05.32 | hno | so RAID would not have helped. |
| 20:06.12 | traeak | i HATE laptop keyboards so typically i only play a little...the serious stuff i do on desktops |
| 20:07.13 | traeak | and i've never gotten the super fast disk stuff. only time i EVER notice that is for work stuff which requires high throughput processing |
| 20:07.29 | mnemoc | I keep worthy stuff on a 2xSATA RAID1 over esata/usb2 next to my laptop with daily backups to a remote server... and stuff I work when not on my desk lives remotes or on github |
| 20:07.37 | traeak | i guess i'm not obsesses with shaving milliseconds off an xterm launching |
| 20:08.17 | traeak | well yeah the dedicated server has software raid |
| 20:08.23 | hno | keeps worthy stuff in a remote online backup in another building, plus most developments done in public on github etc. |
| 20:08.36 | traeak | those lame slow WD server drives |
| 20:09.03 | mnemoc | hno: your $work$ is been sysadmin... mine is writing not-public code :p |
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| 20:09.28 | traeak | lovely tests failed for some reliability |
| 20:09.36 | traeak | turns out i filledthe damn disk |
| 20:09.58 | hno | My main $work$ is writing public code. Just doing sysadmin stuff to fill out a bit. |
| 20:10.16 | mnemoc | hno: I want one of those :| |
| 20:10.35 | hno | Sysadmin job is far more relaxed. |
| 20:10.50 | traeak | make other coding not so tedious i know |
| 20:10.59 | traeak | hmm....been at least 30 mins runing the android update |
| 20:11.01 | hno | traeak, what? |
| 20:11.24 | hno | don't do closed code coding. |
| 20:11.27 | traeak | hno: not primarily coding all the time like i have to |
| 20:11.35 | traeak | i do mostly closed, i open up some things |
| 20:12.28 | traeak | http://pushbroom.org/fltkl/ <-- need to make a new release, probably fltk3 related though |
| 20:12.53 | hno | For me to accept a coding project the result have to get published public. |
| 20:15.57 | traeak | yeah |
| 20:16.03 | traeak | probably have to push github i guess |
| 20:16.08 | traeak | i don't have an account there |
| 20:20.13 | hno | pushed to some public repository (git/bzr/svn/cvs/wheverer), posted to mailinglists, published on web site, whatever. |
| 20:21.26 | mnemoc | sounds gratifying |
| 20:21.35 | hno | actually usually the setup is that I keep all copyrights and the result is licensed under a suitable open source license to the customer. Usually the same license the related projects use. |
| 20:22.21 | hno | and part of the work is to integrate the result upstream where applicable. |
| 20:44.11 | arokux_h | hno, hi, using your advices I've successfully used adb with mele, works like a charm. |
| 20:44.24 | arokux_h | hno, I've just built Lima |
| 20:45.04 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r725880db6804 /allwinner_a10/orders/thisisminime.mdwn: order processing cleanup |
| 20:45.15 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r96ac46d18201 /: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus |
| 20:50.32 | hno | arokux, great! |
| 20:51.05 | hno | arokux_h, which USB cable did you end up using? |
| 20:53.26 | arokux_h | hno, I've used your advice and looked into an old logitech usb mouse... and on the other side of the usb cable was needed connector! |
| 20:53.34 | mnemoc | hno: btw, when do you think you'll have time to look at porting sun4i to DT? :) |
| 20:54.45 | arokux_h | hno, I also needed to rearange pins. btw, why allwinner has changed the order...? |
| 20:57.37 | mnemoc | the mele is made by... mele :) not by allwinner |
| 21:01.13 | arokux_h | mnemoc, I've thought they've just used the board. |
| 21:01.36 | arokux_h | so Allwinner produced only A10 chip? |
| 21:01.43 | hno | arokux_h, I don't think there is a standard on how the pins are ordered in those connectors. |
| 21:03.01 | mnemoc | arokux_h: the A10 and the AXP (power management) chips |
| 21:03.20 | hno | arokux_h, correct. Allwinner produces the chip, and Wiztech produces reference designs & Android stuff for others to build their designs from. Then others produces boards that their customers uses to build tablets etc. |
| 21:04.45 | hno | mnemoc, not sure. First priority is getting the desired USB support in u-boot, which will mean people only need to plug in an USB cable and a custom SD-card to start playing with Linux & u-boot for real on A10 devices. |
| 21:07.21 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:07.32 | hno | and first of all getting well again and back to work before I run out of money. This spring has been a disaster, lost 50% of all work time. |
| 21:07.45 | traeak | youch |
| 21:07.47 | mnemoc | ouch |
| 21:08.44 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Craig master * r4afe990a8a7c /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: added wifi to box spec |
| 21:16.55 | hno | Not A10 or even ARM (windows X86), but still mindboggling: http://www.creativeapplications.net/windows/hartverdrahtet-infinite-complexity-in-4096-bytes/ |
| 21:24.42 | rz2k | reading about eoma-68 design process |
| 21:25.54 | ManoftheSea | "He saw that infinite complexity/ could be described by simple rules/ Picked up his pencil and wrote his equation down" |
| 21:26.00 | ManoftheSea | rz2k: design? |
| 21:26.54 | hno | ManoftheSea, it.s one of the most polished 4K demos I have seen. |
| 21:27.59 | ManoftheSea | hno, yes. And the youtube link told me that I have to find what bug in X I've got. |
| 21:28.27 | ManoftheSea | Because I have Intel HD 3000, and set it to 720p on a 1366x768 display... and it lags. |
| 21:28.31 | rz2k | why start in kicad then go to orcad then back? why not just start in orcad and share final gerbers, bom and pick'n'place data? nowdays opensource pcb design tools lack needed stuff for allwinner a10 design. I think run for being 100% opensource is pointless. |
| 21:28.35 | rz2k | ManoftheSea: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/news/ |
| 21:30.13 | rz2k | ManoftheSea: sorry, wrong link, http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/pcb/ |
| 21:31.19 | ManoftheSea | rz2k: because a lot of people on here care about free-libre more than just getting something |
| 21:31.28 | ManoftheSea | because if you just want something, buy a rpi |
| 21:31.33 | ManoftheSea | etc. |
| 21:32.20 | hno | exactly. |
| 21:39.14 | rz2k | still it is pointless, because even like that, result will be unmaintainable to others. example: error around ddr3 layout. |
| 21:40.21 | ManoftheSea | rz2k: there are plenty of other embedded systems. Certainly there will be EOMA68 boards that aren't Open. |
| 21:48.46 | rz2k | I had some experience with going from EAGLE to Altium Designer and I must say, imported/exported stuff takes as long time as if you were making components from scratch. And also, I did not say "close everything, have a sponsor and dont even share datasheets" (rpi), I'm saying that designing hardware in opensource tools really brings alot of pain. |
| 21:49.12 | ManoftheSea | yes, but closed-source tools brings a lot of cost. |
| 21:54.25 | rz2k | and someone who want to participate should have closed source tools already. for this situation I see another way - make a10+ddr3 as a big component in orcad and import it. I dont know if thats possible (multilayer footprint) in kicad, but going two stages of import/export will cost you tons of time and can end with some nasty errors that you cant fix without going to guts of importer/exporter. |
| 21:57.20 | rz2k | believe me or not, but I had great situation in AD10 when my board crashed standard pdf exporter. ended up with going to support, theyve fixed it in update. and thats only pdf render :) |
| 22:00.03 | ManoftheSea | hmm. Well, if Bari, Jon, and Luke need the help, I'll let them know you've got experience. |
| 22:11.09 | mnemoc | hno: do you really prefer a separeted text file to be parsed on runtime than a C table and an option in fexc to pick soc? |
| 22:25.53 | arokux_h | any objections if I improve grammar on http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/ ? |
| 22:26.44 | mnemoc | arokux_h: go ahead |
| 22:27.34 | mnemoc | arokux_h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold :) |
| 22:33.47 | traeak | hmmm |
| 22:33.56 | traeak | stupid phoenix thing doesn't work |
| 22:34.02 | traeak | windows7 x64 server |
| 22:34.02 | traeak | hmm |
| 22:36.33 | rz2k | traeak: try win xp |
| 22:36.49 | rz2k | phoenix doesnt work for me either on win7. |
| 22:39.40 | traeak | yeah, drug out an old p3 dell just now |
| 22:40.45 | traeak | laptop in the corner |
| 22:42.47 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Arokux master * r3796f3f2cae9 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: |
| 22:50.23 | traeak | stupid machine only has usb1.1 |
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| 23:39.05 | romain_ | hello all |
| 23:39.57 | t0dbld|work | hola |
| 23:40.03 | romain_ | does anyone got map register for AllWinner F20 or full datasheet ? |
| 23:40.32 | romain_ | (also know as sun3i...a A10 familly...) |
| 23:41.33 | romain_ | does anyone got information about this platform ? |
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