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| 07:02.04 | hp__ | anyone flashed melee with the latest Linaro? |
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| 08:54.21 | mnemoc | hp__: a good thing about the a10-based devices is that you can boot and keep the root in the SD card, without risking the preinstalled OS at all |
| 08:54.48 | mnemoc | hp__: so you don't need to flash the device to try linaro's rootfs |
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| 12:01.23 | hp__ | CIA-91 ? |
| 12:04.45 | mnemoc | hp__: notifications of changes on the wiki |
| 12:21.20 | hp__ | mnemoc just wondering.. do you think windows8 will ever run on the A10? :) |
| 12:29.17 | mnemoc | not interested at all on anything made by microsoft or apple |
| 12:30.49 | hp__ | :) |
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| 15:00.35 | traeak | cool thx, decided to grab uart board as well, got that all taken care of thorugh tom |
| 15:01.51 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:06.04 | traeak | now finding time....ugh |
| 15:57.48 | traeak | this system is absolutely much cooler and far more useful to me than a raspberry pi |
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| 16:11.01 | hp__ | traeak why do you need a uart board? |
| 16:15.37 | traeak | hp__: serial console ? |
| 16:16.05 | traeak | hp__: misname...wait one TTL to usb debug board is name of it :-p |
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| 17:35.43 | steev | hp__: i thought windows 8 would require an A15 |
| 17:36.15 | steev | (A15 as in Cortex A15, with A10 being a Cortex A8) |
| 17:39.26 | traeak | i think windows8 just needs armv7 |
| 17:39.32 | traeak | forget how much ram that is |
| 17:40.26 | steev | 512 |
| 17:41.11 | traeak | so min 512MB for windows8 |
| 17:41.27 | traeak | not that i care honestly |
| 17:41.40 | traeak | but i dont' wantto see MS destroy another market like they did with netbooks |
| 17:41.54 | traeak | although linux wasn't really quite ready for netbooks when they were released |
| 17:43.49 | steev | not really ready currently |
| 17:45.12 | steev | developers of the majority of desktops use 23" monitors, and don't design for anything but a larger resolution. using many programs is really bad at present |
| 17:47.10 | mnemoc | the netbooks market died because the hardware was cheap junk |
| 17:47.58 | hno | netbooks marked died because hardware worth the name costs more than people are willing to pay when there is similar cheap junk. |
| 17:48.32 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:48.58 | traeak | heh |
| 17:49.00 | hno | plus vendors played a Windows like attitude "we know what you want to have, don't think anything else" |
| 17:49.05 | traeak | at home i pretty much just use netbooks |
| 17:49.15 | traeak | arch linux on them |
| 17:50.06 | steev | hno: hey! i work for a netbook vendor, we do not! |
| 17:50.17 | mnemoc | the netbooks I tried were hardly capable of opening any modern web app |
| 17:50.26 | steev | actually our netbooks are our best sellers |
| 17:50.36 | mnemoc | and those bending keyboards were unusable |
| 17:50.55 | traeak | i really don't do work on netbooks |
| 17:51.15 | traeak | but they work just fine for web browsing, email, and yeah i do some side projects on them for coding |
| 17:51.17 | traeak | veyr small |
| 17:51.22 | steev | i program on them, and occasionally do native compiles, but i don't use them while i compile on them |
| 17:51.29 | hno | steev, that's cool, you surived the death of the netbook. |
| 17:51.36 | mnemoc | :D |
| 17:51.45 | traeak | i've got one of the original acer aspire ones with the crappy ssd (kitchen computer) |
| 17:51.46 | steev | hno: only cuz ours doesn't suck :P |
| 17:51.50 | penguin42 | I've done builds on a netbook; it's not great - but with 1GB of RAM and a hard drive it's usable |
| 17:51.50 | traeak | and then one with a hard drive |
| 17:51.57 | traeak | batteries are finally toasting on them |
| 17:52.08 | mnemoc | steev: url to yours? |
| 17:52.10 | traeak | yeah, i upgraded them both |
| 17:52.20 | steev | mnemoc: i work for Genesi |
| 17:52.29 | mnemoc | steev: :D |
| 17:52.46 | mnemoc | steev: those are *smart*books not netbooks |
| 17:52.49 | mnemoc | :p |
| 17:53.01 | traeak | hehe, sry, i just ordered one of those dirt cheapy nokia 3g netbooks with the 9 cell |
| 17:53.02 | steev | :P |
| 17:53.12 | hp__ | :) |
| 17:53.12 | steev | traeak: url? i've not heard |
| 17:53.17 | steev | collects hardware |
| 17:53.24 | hp__ | nokia has netbooks? |
| 17:53.28 | hno | for what it's worth tablets is heading the same way unfortunately. Next 2 years in the tablet market will be messy. |
| 17:53.46 | traeak | http://lastcall.dailysteals.com/ |
| 17:53.51 | traeak | i got that one for like $180 or something |
| 17:54.21 | steev | traeak: oh, it's an atom, bleh, nothx, i have plenty of x86 boxen |
| 17:54.45 | traeak | yeah, i know...just saying i don't have any *real* computers at my house anymore |
| 17:55.08 | traeak | 2 x86 netbooks with arch and 2 tablets with android |
| 17:55.25 | traeak | sadly i haven't seen a compelling non x86 netbook yet |
| 17:55.31 | steev | spiffy, they have the 1280x720 screen in em |
| 17:55.40 | steev | i have that in my personal smartbook |
| 17:56.59 | hno | have 4 working x86 boxes, 5 ARM "things" (two boxes, 2 phones, 1 headless), 2 PPC, 1 SPARC32, plus a lot of other junk not really used or with closed firmware which can not be touched (usually ARM) |
| 17:57.58 | hno | probably some MIPS stuff in the junk pile as well. |
| 17:58.01 | steev | i only have 1 PPC :( |
| 17:58.17 | hno | 1 MAC something, 1 PS3. |
| 17:58.27 | specing | hno: routers are MIPS usually |
| 17:59.04 | hno | specing, the ones I have is mostly ARM, but I think one may be MIPS. |
| 17:59.56 | penguin42 | has quite a lot of old junk, but I have a few SPARCs, ancient ARM, ancient PPC, ancieint HP-PA, an Alpha, a couple of 68020 (Sun3), a MIPS or two and a few x86 |
| 18:00.09 | penguin42 | all have run Linux at one time or another |
| 18:00.45 | hno | only counted stuff which runs today. |
| 18:00.53 | specing | http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit :D |
| 18:01.07 | penguin42 | hno: I've not had a lot of my stuff on for years |
| 18:01.50 | penguin42 | hno: chatting to some guys at work I think we came to the conclusion that most geeks had an SGI Indy that they'd got years ago and booted a few times and hadn't used for ages :_0 |
| 18:02.17 | steev | i used to have an Indy! |
| 18:02.40 | traeak | sad mips is so far behind |
| 18:03.18 | specing | I had hope in chinese Loongsons untill they started emulating x86 |
| 18:04.05 | hno | Never even used an SGI actually. But most other stuff.. |
| 18:04.21 | hno | Alpha was nice. |
| 18:04.45 | hno | And grew up with M68K. |
| 18:05.11 | hno | well, some 6502 before that. |
| 18:06.32 | traeak | intel sucked up alpha |
| 18:07.01 | traeak | but yeah they were cool (well not temperature wise) |
| 18:07.40 | hno | Not sure I would blame Intel for that.. Digital managed to deprecate the Alpha quite well on their own and quite likely even it Intel had not existed.. |
| 18:08.41 | traeak | well yeah they fell into the same stupidity that killed off the mainstream unix vendors |
| 18:27.52 | hp__ | time for a reboot |
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| 19:10.37 | hno | mnemoc, some progress. early print functions do work. |
| 19:10.54 | hno | ## Transferring control to Linux (at address 40008000) ... |
| 19:10.54 | hno | Starting kernel ... |
| 19:10.54 | hno | Hello world |
| 19:11.59 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 19:13.24 | mnemoc | did you fix the intereaction problem between uboot and the kernel? |
| 19:13.42 | hno | Haven't had time to do anything until now. |
| 19:14.52 | mnemoc | oh... I thought earlyprintk run after those lookups. |
| 19:15.24 | hno | I just added a printascii immediately on entry to verify the early print functionality. |
| 19:16.05 | mnemoc | :o |
| 19:16.45 | mnemoc | very smart move :) |
| 19:16.56 | mnemoc | it's great to know it actually does work |
| 19:19.59 | hno | actually it didn't. The register address is wrong hitting UART1 and not 0. |
| 19:20.07 | hno | but does not help... |
| 19:21.48 | hno | hmm... expected two "Hello world" from this kernel, only got one. |
| 19:27.57 | hno | Woot! earlyprintk even works! It talks to me! but then dies... |
| 19:28.38 | hno | mnemoc, http://fpaste.org/MfU6/ ! |
| 19:29.17 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 19:29.36 | mnemoc | diff! diff! diff! |
| 19:29.42 | hno | It's coming. |
| 19:31.11 | hno | The most important fix is |
| 19:31.12 | hno | -#define PA_UARTS_BASE 0x01c28400 |
| 19:31.12 | hno | +#define PA_UARTS_BASE 0x01c28000 |
| 19:31.47 | traeak | what device is this on?> |
| 19:31.54 | hno | mele |
| 19:32.01 | traeak | coolio |
| 19:32.23 | mnemoc | but the same kernel binary covers any a10-based device |
| 19:32.39 | traeak | except for any peripherals |
| 19:32.56 | mnemoc | for low level details there is script.bin |
| 19:33.08 | mnemoc | for higher level, linux itself does the magic |
| 19:33.34 | traeak | and i do see flatmushis pretty active in hacking on the lima driver |
| 19:33.50 | traeak | so there may be hope for a linux image when i get my mele |
| 19:34.00 | mnemoc | there is a 2d driver so for basic ui we don't need mali |
| 19:34.34 | traeak | not immediately |
| 19:35.54 | mnemoc | unfortunatelly for reverse engineering the cedar driver we are alone |
| 19:36.04 | traeak | hmm...wonder what the chance is now for the a10 platform to take a chunk away from the rpi |
| 19:37.19 | mnemoc | I see no point these days in using anything below armv7 |
| 19:37.59 | hno | argh! write protect tab on my SD-card just died. Cant write to it any more.. ;( |
| 19:38.57 | traeak | mnemoc: exactly |
| 19:39.52 | mnemoc | and with the prices of armv7-m chips arduino and all those 8/16bit fpgas are senseless too |
| 19:40.26 | hno | arent't the arduino ones M profile? (only THUMB) |
| 19:40.45 | hno | ah, right, you said so. |
| 19:42.04 | traeak | how long will the allwinner a10 stay in production? |
| 19:42.25 | mnemoc | they haven't yet announced the sucessor |
| 19:42.39 | mnemoc | so probably a10 will be in production for a while |
| 19:43.29 | traeak | now with the kde plasma tablet...does that mean that the ali a9 soc has also been opened up? although it doesn't have sata |
| 19:43.57 | mnemoc | also a soc with the specs of the allwinner a10 has lot of market even after it's cortex-a9 sibling hits the market |
| 19:44.32 | traeak | i guess the safe part is both platforms are armv7 |
| 20:06.53 | specing | I just got some time to plug my tablet into adb to see why it doesent boot |
| 20:07.21 | specing | logcat: dalvik keeps complaining about no space being left on the device |
| 20:08.22 | hno | mnemoc, change pushed to github |
| 20:12.15 | hno | mnemoc, do your 2.6.36-sun4i tree work? |
| 20:12.31 | specing | There is no space because /data is not mounted |
| 20:13.27 | mnemoc | hno: yes, that's the one that worked after adding the-evil-commit |
| 20:13.38 | hno | ok |
| 20:27.52 | mnemoc | hno: btw, how did you notice it was going to uart1? |
| 20:29.31 | traeak | http://latest.mistertao.com/taobao-products/taobao-item-14603567785.html |
| 20:29.46 | hno | mnemoc, by reading the code. |
| 20:30.23 | mnemoc | hno: :) |
| 20:32.02 | traeak | interesting at the bottom are all the mele devices |
| 20:32.09 | mnemoc | didn't know taobao had an international shop |
| 20:32.12 | traeak | more than a few have usb3 |
| 20:32.22 | traeak | makes me wonder what those other devices are based on |
| 20:33.11 | traeak | have to make my wife translate, although she doesn't know what to look for |
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| 20:34.57 | hno | traeak, mele lists all their products except the A1000 in their english site. |
| 20:35.16 | traeak | ahh okay |
| 20:35.31 | hno | http://www.mele.cn/en/web/pro_list.aspx |
| 20:35.56 | hno | they have quite many. |
| 20:36.07 | hno | see left menu. |
| 20:37.33 | traeak | unless i'm wrong teh stuff on tabao doesn't show up on their website |
| 20:40.29 | traeak | the mele a1000 shows up as am image on their front page flash but no way to get to them |
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| 20:52.01 | hno | traeak, there is plenty of A1000 info in mele chineese pages. |
| 20:53.33 | traeak | hno i was lokgin at thte a2000 and was curious what else mele is making |
| 20:59.12 | specing | Hmmm, how would one find if a program is hardfloat? |
| 20:59.37 | mnemoc | try using `file` |
| 20:59.44 | hno | good question. It's nore mentioned in the file header. |
| 21:00.51 | traeak | okay the "other" mele stuff is based on the realtek 1185 500mhz mips processor with 256MB ram |
| 21:02.53 | hno | Hmmm.. 2.6.36 did not boot at all for me. |
| 21:03.07 | hno | not even early_printk stuff. |
| 21:03.09 | specing | mnemoc: this example (hardfloat gentoo) doesen't tell me anything: /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, stripped |
| 21:04.36 | hno | specing, correct.There is nothing in the file header telling which ARM ABI the binary is using, which i a major headache for anyone needing to support both. |
| 21:05.45 | hno | it's missing entirely from the ARM ELF specification. |
| 21:07.07 | specing | traeak: Your wife is/knows chinese? |
| 21:07.22 | traeak | specing: yes |
| 21:12.03 | specing | Looks like there is quite an international community here |
| 21:12.39 | steev | is the a10 boot from mmc still correct in the wiki? i can't seem to get my ly-f1 to boot using mmc |
| 21:16.12 | specing | I haven't even tried yet |
| 21:16.18 | hno | mnemoc, 2.6.36 plain refuses to cooperate with me. printascii works, but no sign of the kernel console output. |
| 21:16.26 | specing | Does mmc override internal nand? |
| 21:16.39 | hno | specing, yes. |
| 21:16.40 | steev | specing: yes |
| 21:16.45 | specing | nice |
| 21:16.57 | steev | i did something wrong, just don't know what |
| 21:17.05 | specing | How easy is it to relocate ext4 partitions, then? |
| 21:17.14 | specing | s/ext4/ext2/ |
| 21:17.23 | hno | specing, what do you mean? |
| 21:17.45 | specing | I have one massive ext2 partition on my SD card with Gentoo on it |
| 21:17.51 | hno | ok |
| 21:18.06 | hno | and you want to make more space infront of it? |
| 21:18.17 | specing | yes |
| 21:18.33 | specing | actually, I need to shorten the partition |
| 21:19.01 | hno | you need to rewrite the whole partition, and resize2fs the filesystem to desired size. |
| 21:19.30 | hno | safest to backup the partition, resize2fs the backup, repartition, and write back. |
| 21:19.39 | specing | D: |
| 21:20.54 | destinal_ | https://1saleaday.com/ $80 for a droid lapdock which I think is basically keyboard, trackpad, hdmi monitor, battery, speakers, USB hub, and probably USB sound card. could be handy for modifying to work with EOMA68 cards or something... |
| 21:21.20 | hno | the alternative is to resize2fs the filesystem on th SD card, and then use some tool that moves it in-place, but if that crashes then all gone. |
| 21:23.44 | hno | destinal_, EOMA68 do not have HDMI. |
| 21:23.53 | specing | destinal_: they could have put the phone where the touchpad is located, now it just looks retarded |
| 21:24.17 | hno | specing, you don't see the phone when in use. |
| 21:24.18 | destinal_ | hno: true, you'd need to put an HDMI encoder chip on an IO board or something |
| 21:24.50 | destinal_ | but EOMA-CF has HDMI in the spec, right? |
| 21:24.59 | hno | don't remember |
| 21:25.03 | specing | hno: It could still act as a touchpad... |
| 21:26.11 | hno | specing, yes, but not a nive one, and getting all dirty. |
| 21:26.20 | hno | s/nive/nice/ |
| 21:26.54 | specing | damn sed bots |
| 21:26.54 | destinal_ | interesting thing the lapdock connector on bionic seems to not be one solid proprietary connector but two. perhaps male mini USB and micro HDMI or something |
| 21:29.52 | destinal_ | yup "At first, we’re a bit hesitant to attach the adapter to the handset – mainly due to the fact that it’s only held in position by the handset’s microUSB and microHDMI ports." |
| 21:30.05 | destinal_ | nice. glad not too proprietary |
| 21:31.46 | hno | destinal_, Micro USB and Micro HDMI says the manual |
| 21:33.28 | destinal_ | yup micro not mini |
| 21:34.10 | hno | as it should. They agreed on the micro-usb as universal charge port. |
| 21:35.27 | hno | So the EOMA64 card should dock quite nicely using the external connectors. Not how it's meant to dock but still... |
| 21:37.18 | hno | EOMA64 A10 card. |
| 21:37.34 | hno | 68. |
| 21:58.35 | mnemoc | hno: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commits/amery/linux-2.6.36-sun4i <--- this one? note the amery/ prefix |
| 22:17.58 | mnemoc | hno: just tried a fresh clone and works :-/ |
| 22:18.50 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: rasiemse master * r12c3c2a8b2df /allwinner_a10/orders/tronetix.mdwn: |
| 22:20.21 | traeak | sun4i |
| 22:20.22 | traeak | strange |
| 22:20.51 | mnemoc | traeak: that's the machine type of the allwinner a10 |
| 22:22.08 | mnemoc | there was sun3i before and the next will be sun5i (cortex a9) |
| 22:22.50 | traeak | k |
| 22:23.03 | traeak | just reminds me of the old days of sunos and solaris |
| 22:23.04 | traeak | heh |
| 22:23.10 | mnemoc | :) |
| 22:23.51 | traeak | but that woudl be ":sparc" architecture |
| 22:24.00 | penguin42 | has a couple of Sun3's here if mnemoc wants them |
| 22:24.16 | mnemoc | penguin42: -v |
| 22:24.19 | penguin42 | you can just about lift them by yourself |
| 22:25.05 | traeak | well the sp |
| 22:25.14 | traeak | well the sparc 5/10/20 pizza boxen were cool |
| 22:25.31 | mnemoc | penguin42: you mean sun machines or allwinner' sun3i-based? |
| 22:25.50 | penguin42 | mnemoc: A Sun 68020 machine |
| 22:26.10 | hno | mnemoc, yes that one. |
| 22:26.26 | mnemoc | hno: did you load script.bin? |
| 22:26.32 | hno | yes |
| 22:26.35 | mnemoc | weird |
| 22:26.39 | hno | yes |
| 22:27.22 | hno | I only fixed the UART address macro. |
| 22:27.40 | mnemoc | my test was after including your commit too |
| 22:28.08 | hno | anything particular in .config? |
| 22:28.21 | mnemoc | sun4i_defconfig |
| 22:28.55 | hno | sun4i_defconfig + CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK here.. |
| 22:35.45 | mnemoc | it doesn't help, but this is the output I get http://dpaste.com/724473/ |
| 22:35.52 | hno | mnemoc, can you upload your working kernel somewhere? |
| 22:36.45 | mnemoc | 1m |
| 22:37.01 | hno | just to check if it's something with my u-boot setup or changes. |
| 22:39.34 | mnemoc | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24940371/A10/uImage http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24940371/A10/script.bin |
| 22:41.15 | mnemoc | hno: it might be that your uboot gives the assigned machine number while mine gives the one allwinner stole |
| 22:41.43 | hno | the hack overrides machine arch number. |
| 22:41.53 | mnemoc | true |
| 22:41.56 | hno | and original uboot sends a completely different id. |
| 22:42.45 | hno | original kernel still boots fine.. |
| 22:45.12 | mnemoc | and the uImage from the link? |
| 22:45.34 | hno | works. |
| 22:49.18 | mnemoc | and you are super sure you built amery/linux-2.6.36-sun4i from git@github.com:amery/linux-allwinner.git ? |
| 22:49.26 | mnemoc | puzzled |
| 22:50.06 | hno | trying again with just sun4i_defconfig |
| 22:50.57 | hno | git diff to your tree gives nothing. |
| 22:51.35 | hno | git diff remotes/amery-allwinner/amery/linux-2.6.36-sun4i |
| 22:52.39 | hno | * remote amery-allwinner |
| 22:52.39 | hno | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.27 | mnemoc | I didn't know that remotes/foo syntax |
| 22:53.42 | mnemoc | always used: git diff amery-allwinner/amery/linux-2.6.36-sun4i.. |
| 22:54.05 | hno | git searches at the end if no exact match is found |
| 22:54.58 | hno | it's possible to create a local branch that is named amery-allwinner/amery/linux-2.6.36-sun4i |
| 22:55.28 | mnemoc | and "remotes" is reserved? |
| 22:55.43 | hno | Not really, but special. |
| 22:56.08 | hno | as fetch updates any refs there. |
| 22:59.10 | hno | compiling... |
| 23:00.03 | hno | poor old computer.. anno 2005 I think. |
| 23:00.54 | mnemoc | I rent a server at hetzner.de mostly only for building :p |
| 23:04.00 | mnemoc | I can make it burn without affecting my local the responsiveness of my laptop or it's battery :) |
| 23:05.18 | hno | now it works. Odd. |
| 23:16.28 | hno | and it still boots after killing the r0-r2 hack. |
| 23:17.04 | mnemoc | uhm... so it's on the table allocation part? |
| 23:17.31 | mnemoc | I'm sure I tried that... :-/ |
| 23:18.13 | hno | with the right arch id set by uboot? |
| 23:18.37 | mnemoc | maybe one or the other but not both |
| 23:20.29 | mnemoc | could you port the table allocation evilness to the android-3.0 tree? |
| 23:20.46 | hno | I have that already, still does not work. |
| 23:21.14 | hno | but not tried the android tree. only the -sun4i tree. |
| 23:23.49 | hno | 2.6.36 with early_printk enabled hangs hard. |
| 23:25.36 | hno | if earlyprintk boot option is given. Otherwise it works. |
| 23:26.04 | hno | explains the hang seen earlier. |
| 23:26.28 | mnemoc | weird^3 |
| 23:27.08 | hno | very |
| 23:27.57 | hno | esp considering that printascii do work fine. |
| 23:28.17 | hno | and early_printk uses printascii |
| 23:33.05 | traeak | http://liliputing.com/2012/03/this-is-what-a-50-android-tablet-looks-like.html |
| 23:35.36 | hno | traeak, yes, the A10 devices are pulling the plug on tablets market. |
| 23:54.33 | mnemoc | good night |