| 02:37.14 | CaCtus491 | oooh |
| 02:37.19 | CaCtus491 | guess what just arrived! |
| 02:37.43 | CaCtus491 | ...I'll give you a clue - it begins with M and has 4 letters :) |
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| 07:43.55 | hno | CaCtus491 Nice! |
| 07:44.23 | hno | CaCtus491, any customs processing fees? |
| 07:44.46 | hno | mine is still being sorted ;( |
| 07:56.59 | CaCtus491 | nope, for < $1k we hardly ever get customs or GST (VAT) fees |
| 07:58.31 | zenitraM | hipboi: can you send me your address? i'll try to send you the mele back today or tomorrow |
| 07:59.02 | CaCtus491 | sending one back, why? |
| 08:02.09 | zenitraM | CaCtus491: very, very strange hardware failure |
| 08:02.28 | zenitraM | reboots at boot1, axp is reporting that the device has a battery |
| 08:02.41 | zenitraM | using u-boot from SD it loads linux but things crash around |
| 08:03.45 | CaCtus491 | aww, I hope I have more success |
| 08:04.20 | zenitraM | i hope so, i was just too unlucky i guess |
| 08:04.38 | CaCtus491 | heh, we got them cheap for a reason ;) |
| 08:17.44 | zenitraM | yup |
| 08:43.21 | mnemoc | CaCtus491: where are you located? |
| 08:43.52 | mnemoc | zenitraM: do you have the some trouble with both meles? |
| 08:44.04 | zenitraM | mnemoc: only with mine |
| 08:44.15 | zenitraM | the other one is working fine afaik |
| 08:44.25 | zenitraM | so it is probably an isolated defect |
| 08:44.40 | mnemoc | yes, that's what I was thinking |
| 08:45.23 | zenitraM | so weird that we couldn't even pinpoint where it comes from |
| 08:45.39 | mnemoc | jtag? |
| 08:45.53 | zenitraM | no, the kernel boots.. but... |
| 08:46.05 | mnemoc | tried swapping power supplies? |
| 08:46.08 | zenitraM | he sent me a 3.0.8 kernel.. and it failed to initialize the nand (clk error) |
| 08:46.15 | mnemoc | oh |
| 08:46.15 | zenitraM | when booted from sd |
| 08:46.48 | zenitraM | tried loading the built-in kernel from u-boot..and android crashes everywhere, looks like it wants to go to sleep continouosly |
| 08:46.55 | zenitraM | yup |
| 08:47.06 | zenitraM | also measured the voltage of the supply with a multimeter |
| 08:47.57 | mnemoc | not nice :( |
| 08:48.41 | zenitraM | tom is going to send me a new one :) |
| 08:49.01 | zenitraM | but it's gonna take a while... |
| 08:49.46 | mnemoc | you said dhl didn't screw you if the package says "RMA"... |
| 08:50.30 | mnemoc | my RRxxxxSE finally exists in correos.es :) |
| 08:52.40 | zenitraM | i'm not gonna ask him to send him using DHL… it's way more expensive... |
| 08:52.49 | zenitraM | *it |
| 08:52.59 | zenitraM | nice :) |
| 08:53.17 | zenitraM | what does it say?? |
| 08:54.14 | mnemoc | zenitraM: left sweden today |
| 08:54.38 | zenitraM | it's less than a week away then probably |
| 08:55.06 | mnemoc | zenitraM: will your roommate be kind enough to give you his a1000 (until the replacement arrives) for you to hack? |
| 08:55.20 | mnemoc | I trust it will be here before the weekend |
| 08:55.37 | zenitraM | not sure |
| 08:55.44 | zenitraM | but I could try |
| 08:56.54 | zenitraM | i even bought a usb male-male cable to try to turn one of the externals usb to usb gadget touching the script.bin.. |
| 09:01.52 | mnemoc | does the bootloader support large sd cards? (16GB) |
| 09:02.13 | zenitraM | i tried with a 8gb one |
| 09:02.18 | zenitraM | which i think is already sdhc |
| 09:02.20 | zenitraM | so i think it should |
| 09:03.31 | mnemoc | great... I know have one 2GB card but no clue where... the rest are all 8/16GB |
| 09:05.50 | zenitraM | at least the kernel supports up to sdxc |
| 09:05.54 | zenitraM | that is, 128gb? or, a lot |
| 09:06.39 | mnemoc | uh |
| 09:07.14 | mnemoc | wikipedia says that's up to 2TB |
| 09:07.19 | mnemoc | insane |
| 09:07.57 | zenitraM | also found out that with phoenixcard |
| 09:08.08 | zenitraM | you can create either a sd that flashes a firmware... |
| 09:08.16 | zenitraM | …or a sd that boots a firmware from the sd |
| 09:09.09 | mnemoc | is that "sd installer" something static we can kidnap? or changes based on the image used? |
| 09:11.18 | zenitraM | i don't know |
| 09:11.39 | zenitraM | probably can be stealable |
| 09:12.02 | zenitraM | although i'm not sure what it does / how it works because.. well, it rebooted on mine |
| 09:12.25 | mnemoc | buh |
| 09:12.42 | mnemoc | need to go, bbl |
| 09:12.56 | zenitraM | ok |
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| 12:03.27 | lkcl | zenitraM, hipboi: see if you can get a new unit out of the factory, first. |
| 12:04.10 | lkcl | tell them what's happened, explain that it'll cost more money on shipping to get the unit back and forth than the actual unit's worth |
| 12:04.13 | lkcl | and see what they say. |
| 12:04.58 | lkcl | usually an importer negotiates about 5% overstocking *just* to deal with these situations, as part of the deal. |
| 12:06.11 | lkcl | i.e. they negotiate that on the basis that there will be approximately 5% faulty units, they request - and are granted - 5% *FREE* extra units in advance (which of course are not actually sold - that would be fraud!) |
| 12:09.50 | mnemoc | currently the defect rate is 50% :p .... with 2 devices tested :) |
| 12:14.10 | CaCtus491 | mnemoc: I'm in Sydney, AU |
| 12:14.51 | CaCtus491 | ..hoping to use the A10 in a vending machine controller :) |
| 12:17.10 | mnemoc | CaCtus491: nice :) I'm also on the dark side, putting linux and fat processors in places where people insists a micro controller is "enough" :p |
| 12:18.48 | CaCtus491 | heh, our current system uses an LPC2148 with native code - looking to replace that. |
| 12:19.41 | CaCtus491 | Jokes aside though, the A10 offers some potential benefits that the LPC can't - LCD interface to provide a touch based UI / product information, etc |
| 12:20.41 | CaCtus491 | plus our current modules are too expensive to produce almost $200 AUD for the loaded PCBs alone |
| 12:21.48 | mnemoc | yeah |
| 12:24.07 | mnemoc | I also like to add sexy web interfaces with statistics and stuff |
| 12:27.40 | CaCtus491 | what sort of devices do you make? |
| 12:28.32 | CaCtus491 | ...will be interesting doing UI for the A10, never tried Linux based GUI stuff |
| 12:30.58 | mnemoc | mainly car wash tunnel controllers, also gas pumping and parkings ... I go as fancy as I can without messing with business and management |
| 12:32.14 | mnemoc | I use EFL |
| 12:32.18 | mnemoc | for GUI I mean |
| 12:33.46 | mnemoc | their theming method (edje) is amazingly flexible... you can even program the interaction in lua inside the theme, very good for branding and differenciation between customers |
| 12:34.07 | mnemoc | without involving the C code |
| 12:35.48 | CaCtus491 | will have to check it out |
| 12:36.09 | mnemoc | http://www.enlightenment.org/ |
| 12:41.13 | CaCtus491 | thanks |
| 12:46.28 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Paolo master * re1155d8c7832 /allwinner_a10/orders/geolomia.html: |
| 13:22.00 | CaCtus491 | in my rush to get home, I left the Mele at work :( |
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| 13:28.22 | mnemoc | CaCtus491: :-/ |
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| 14:10.10 | zenitraM | lkcl: mmm, that could be an option. although it's hipboi who would have to handle that |
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| 15:14.02 | QingPei | EOMA has a great pitch at BLUG |
| 15:14.15 | mnemoc | \o/ |
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| 15:26.44 | gordan | is daydreaming about a 40-blade 2U EOMA server, but isn't going to hold his breath for it. ;) |
| 15:34.02 | mnemoc | gordan: how would do deal with storage? |
| 15:41.00 | mnemoc | it would be nice to be able to share virtual disks which each card using the sata channel.... but no idea if that is possible |
| 15:44.16 | gordan | Nah, just have a single SATA hot-swap bay on the back for each EOMA. |
| 15:44.25 | gordan | Each EOMA slot, I mean. |
| 15:44.45 | gordan | You load the disks from one side of the case, and the EOMA from the other. |
| 15:45.03 | gordan | In 19" you should just about get 40 of each in. |
| 15:45.58 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:46.04 | gordan | Preferably with a switch fabric built into the chassis that can break out a 10Gb uplink fibre port (and/or maybe 4-8 1Gb copper ports) |
| 15:46.25 | mnemoc | uh |
| 15:46.32 | gordan | ? |
| 15:47.08 | gordan | Assuming here that each EOMA has a 1Gb port wired to the connector pins. |
| 15:47.45 | mnemoc | ah, yes. I follow you know |
| 15:47.59 | gordan | Basically you make the chassis contain a 40x1Gb ethernet switch fabric with suitable uplinks. |
| 15:48.51 | gordan | 10Gb stuff is still prohibitively expensive, but it should be easy enough to provide split the fabric up into multiple 1Gb uplinks. |
| 15:49.31 | gordan | So you can have 10 blades going to each 1Gb uplink port (if you have 4x 1Gb ports on the chassis). |
| 15:50.00 | gordan | Think of it as a "farm in a box". :) |
| 15:50.17 | gordan | Thinking about it, you'd need it to be 3U if you use 2.5" disk slots. |
| 15:51.30 | gordan | Or you could do 2U with some EOMA slots not having SATA wired through, and only use, say, 20 disks. |
| 16:01.01 | A2Sheds | we should make some aluminum shells for the eoma68 cards as well for clusters, makes thermal management easier |
| 16:04.46 | A2Sheds | 1U = 1.75 inch, you could have hundreds of the eoma-cf in a 1U |
| 16:08.14 | gordan | I'm thinking about having them front-loaded, vertically. |
| 16:08.25 | gordan | 40 gives you about 1cm/EOMA. |
| 16:08.52 | gordan | Which isn't unreasonable with a bit of clearance for thermal management, and ejection safety. |
| 16:09.03 | mnemoc | it probably would need to be designed as a full rack in a box, with modules acting as disk servers, modules acting as application servers and also a module doing boring stuff like dns resolver, dhcp server, and ids |
| 16:09.32 | gordan | You can get about 5x5 2.5" disks in 2U. |
| 16:09.55 | gordan | But as you say, you don't actually need 1 disk/EOMA for most things. |
| 16:10.18 | A2Sheds | probably fit ~80 eoam68 into a 2u front loaded |
| 16:10.24 | gordan | You could do some magic with things like distributed FS-es. |
| 16:10.38 | gordan | Yes, but you want some clearance for airflow between them. |
| 16:10.52 | A2Sheds | I don't |
| 16:11.06 | gordan | And you want to make sure you don't accidentally pull the wrong one if they are that tight. |
| 16:11.14 | A2Sheds | I want them right up against a thermal conductor |
| 16:11.37 | gordan | OK, so slot a heat pipe between each slot. Still requires space. |
| 16:11.50 | gordan | But ultimately, you'll have to dump that heat into the air anyway. |
| 16:12.03 | gordan | So might as well leave a few mm of air gap and put fans behind them. |
| 16:12.28 | A2Sheds | it a good thing we can each do it our own ways |
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| 17:23.39 | specing | Success |
| 17:23.51 | specing | I have gentoo working in a chroot on my tablet |
| 17:27.32 | ka6sox | which tablet? |
| 17:29.42 | specing | Allwinner A10 based |
| 17:29.49 | specing | Some chinese unbranded.. |
| 17:30.29 | ka6sox | kewl... |
| 17:31.01 | A2Sheds | specing: is that with the the factory installed firmware? |
| 17:32.48 | specing | yes |
| 17:32.55 | specing | It came rooted out of the shop |
| 17:33.06 | specing | or should I better say: into my hands |
| 17:34.34 | specing | The kernel it came with supports ext2/3/4 + NFS(not sure if version4) |
| 17:37.21 | A2Sheds | neat |
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| 18:18.51 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Chris master * r53c5c99eedd0 /allwinner_a10/orders/cgriffin.mdwn: |
| 18:20.20 | specing | Srsly, what is being ordered on GIT?! |
| 18:25.19 | A2Sheds | CIA sends messages on any wiki update, it's a bit noisy with pre-orders, at some point it might be too noisy |
| 18:30.38 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: David master * r3bfe6db2cd0a /allwinner_a10/orders/linkdj.mdwn: |
| 18:31.38 | specing | -.- |
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