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| 09:32.22 | Torhal | Foof. |
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| 11:18.57 | Thaoky | hi there ! |
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| 15:39.50 | Zhinjio | g'morning. |
| 16:11.00 | Speeddymon | mornin |
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| 17:22.16 | Torhal | Feh. |
| 17:22.55 | Zhinjio | g'mornin |
| 17:24.00 | Torhal | Same to ya :) |
| 17:36.08 | Thaoky | Zhinjio: ping |
| 17:44.56 | Zhinjio | Thaoky: pong |
| 17:45.07 | Zhinjio | sorry, had to put the baby down. |
| 17:45.10 | Zhinjio | she's sleeping now |
| 17:46.07 | Thaoky | np |
| 17:46.07 | Thaoky | you wanted to ask me something yesterday ? |
| 17:46.07 | Zhinjio | so I'm thinking I have some weird entries somewhere in Altoholic |
| 17:46.12 | Zhinjio | like, data associated with a character that isn't valid anymore. |
| 17:46.31 | Zhinjio | specifically, items showing up as "in the mail" that aren't |
| 17:46.36 | Thaoky | a deleted/renamed char ? |
| 17:46.46 | Zhinjio | sort of, not really |
| 17:46.50 | Zhinjio | I don't know how they're stored. |
| 17:46.56 | Zhinjio | but I did a server transfer |
| 17:47.03 | Thaoky | yeah, same issue |
| 17:47.03 | Zhinjio | but I thought I completely reset altoholic when I did that |
| 17:47.07 | Thaoky | you can delete the alt |
| 17:47.18 | Thaoky | in the account summary, right-click the name |
| 17:47.28 | Zhinjio | ok, just nuke it to reset. |
| 17:47.33 | Zhinjio | and then "rescan", so to speak |
| 17:47.36 | Zhinjio | I can do that. |
| 17:47.51 | Thaoky | basically yes, can't detect a rename/delete/transfer |
| 17:48.02 | Zhinjio | are you doing recipe coloring right now, or is that another addon? |
| 17:48.09 | Torhal | Had an interesting one yesterday: The day before, I had run two Heroic instances on my main. Yesterday, I logged into my AH toon and got a notification that those two instances were about to start in 15 minutes,. |
| 17:48.26 | Thaoky | Zhinjio: you mean at the AH ? |
| 17:48.33 | Zhinjio | yes |
| 17:48.55 | Thaoky | it's in the works, I'm almost there, I'm finishing the integration of DataStore & it will be in the next version |
| 17:49.02 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 17:49.23 | Zhinjio | because I'm getting some failures in it, and was wondering if it was altoholic or some other thing |
| 17:49.34 | Zhinjio | and um... can I configure the notifications for things like eggs? |
| 17:49.38 | Zhinjio | I didn't look too hard |
| 17:49.39 | Thaoky | Torhal: yeah I know, it's the same routine for all events, I should just use a different message based on event type, in the works too :) |
| 17:49.58 | Torhal | kk |
| 17:50.59 | Thaoky | the timer notifications are the same for all type of events, would you like to do something different ? I'm about to modify the thing a bit, so suggestions are welcome |
| 17:51.21 | Zhinjio | well, so lets say right now you do notifications at 30/20/10/5/2/1 or something, right? |
| 17:51.39 | Thaoky | yeah, 15/10/5/4/3/2/1 |
| 17:51.41 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 17:51.59 | Zhinjio | can you make those checkboxes? so I can determine, per event type, which intervals I want? |
| 17:52.22 | Zhinjio | like, an egg, I want only 1 notification at 2 minutes (for example) |
| 17:52.32 | Zhinjio | a tradeskill cooldown, I might want 5/1 |
| 17:52.37 | Zhinjio | or whatever |
| 17:52.49 | Thaoky | sure, added on my list |
| 17:52.53 | Zhinjio | cool |
| 17:52.55 | Zhinjio | that'd be awesome. |
| 17:53.15 | Zhinjio | oh, here's a big one |
| 17:53.28 | Zhinjio | when I'm looking at a tradeskill |
| 17:53.34 | Zhinjio | for example, enchanting |
| 17:53.49 | Zhinjio | I'd like one of two things |
| 17:54.00 | Zhinjio | either a) let me sort by name |
| 17:54.16 | Zhinjio | or b) a "search" box that lets me only show things that have the word "glove" in them (for example)_ |
| 17:54.26 | Zhinjio | is that easy/possible? |
| 17:54.47 | Thaoky | most likely b) that's been on my list for a while |
| 17:55.04 | Zhinjio | for super extra bonus points, if the "search" would let you search for something in the recipe's description |
| 17:55.10 | Zhinjio | like "critical" |
| 17:55.24 | Zhinjio | so I could only show recipes that increase crit strike |
| 17:55.29 | Zhinjio | (for example) |
| 17:55.35 | Zhinjio | anyway, ok. |
| 17:55.41 | Zhinjio | sounds like you're already on that |
| 17:55.53 | Zhinjio | I'm so freaking demanding *grin* |
| 17:56.02 | Thaoky | good idea, with the new GetItemStats in 3.2, I should be able to implement that easily (and to update the code in the Find Equipment Upgrade feature) |
| 17:57.13 | Thaoky | my turn now, I need some input :) |
| 17:57.29 | Zhinjio | sure! |
| 17:58.17 | Thaoky | so the DataStore thing is looking real good now, and I was wondering about the best way to store it on svn + packaging |
| 17:58.31 | Zhinjio | ah, yes. we've talked about this before. |
| 17:58.42 | Zhinjio | I don't know if ckk every responded with input |
| 17:59.09 | Thaoky | I wasn't logged in very much this week |
| 17:59.23 | Zhinjio | I don't know how you architected it, but I remember my thinking being that the "core" was the required piece, and every individual dataset was a module that could be flipped on/off |
| 17:59.37 | Thaoky | Basically, it's a set of 16 addons right now |
| 17:59.39 | Zhinjio | "core" being the piece that was like, the API for accessing the datasets |
| 17:59.45 | Thaoky | DataStore + 15 DataStore_* |
| 17:59.51 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 17:59.57 | Thaoky | so question 1 |
| 18:00.12 | Thaoky | 1 svn project or multiple projects ? |
| 18:00.51 | Thaoky | knowing that more modules might be added later |
| 18:00.59 | pompy1 | I GUESS PPL DONT READ COMMIT NOTES!! Lol |
| 18:01.07 | Zhinjio | are the DataStore_xxx true modules? |
| 18:01.19 | pompy1 | More cleanup. |
| 18:01.20 | pompy1 | (Please don't file tickets about missing locale entries.) |
| 18:01.21 | pompy1 | http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl/tickets/790-scan-inscription/ |
| 18:01.22 | Thaoky | only 1 dependency on the main DataStore |
| 18:01.31 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 18:01.52 | Zhinjio | I think probably separate projects |
| 18:01.53 | Zhinjio | here's why |
| 18:02.02 | Zhinjio | DataStore (core) will probably not change much |
| 18:02.16 | Zhinjio | you don't want a new build of the whole thing every time you add something to a module |
| 18:02.31 | Zhinjio | it lets everything version independently when changes are made. |
| 18:02.32 | Thaoky | very good point indeed |
| 18:02.58 | Zhinjio | and I suspect things will go through "bursts" with alot of work in one module for awhile, with the others being untouched |
| 18:03.06 | Zhinjio | (as new features and/or modules are added) |
| 18:03.30 | Thaoky | that answers my question then :) |
| 18:03.53 | Zhinjio | alrighty then *grin* |
| 18:03.58 | Thaoky | question 2 |
| 18:05.04 | Thaoky | I only have basic knowledge about .pkgmeta, is it possible to include other addons/project into a client addon, at the root directory (so that the root holds : Altoholic, DataStore, DataStore_*) |
| 18:05.08 | Thaoky | ? |
| 18:05.38 | Zhinjio | so other projects/addons vs. a library, you mean? |
| 18:06.00 | Thaoky | I mean |
| 18:06.09 | Zhinjio | oh, I see |
| 18:06.13 | Zhinjio | no, thats a different thing |
| 18:06.19 | Zhinjio | thats more like a compilation |
| 18:06.22 | Zhinjio | ckknight: ping? |
| 18:06.29 | Thaoky | yeah, more like that |
| 18:06.38 | Zhinjio | thats a question for ckknight. I'm honestly not sure. |
| 18:07.05 | Thaoky | if there's a project I can checkout to analyze its pkgmeta, I'd probably find my answer there |
| 18:07.21 | Zhinjio | all of my projects make use of pkgmets |
| 18:07.23 | Zhinjio | pkgmeta |
| 18:07.26 | Zhinjio | and docmeta |
| 18:07.44 | Zhinjio | I think SKG is the most complex one (most libraries) |
| 18:08.22 | Thaoky | I saw that GuildCraft did something like that, it moved a subfolder back to the root in the .pkgmeta, but then that folder was part of the project |
| 18:08.29 | Thaoky | so I guess it's possible |
| 18:08.41 | Zhinjio | neat |
| 18:08.45 | Zhinjio | yeah, didn't know that |
| 18:08.48 | Zhinjio | thats pretty cool |
| 18:09.19 | Thaoky | I'm pretty satisfied with the results I got with DS |
| 18:09.25 | Zhinjio | awesome |
| 18:09.30 | Thaoky | having a single interface to my data is great |
| 18:09.33 | Zhinjio | I'll take a closer look at it |
| 18:09.40 | Thaoky | the main project is not online yet |
| 18:09.42 | Thaoky | wait |
| 18:09.45 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 18:09.52 | Zhinjio | next will be getting ARL to use it. |
| 18:09.56 | Zhinjio | that would freaking rock |
| 18:10.49 | Thaoky | http://ace.pastey.net/118624 |
| 18:10.59 | Thaoky | basically, its works this way |
| 18:11.29 | Thaoky | I'll paste one of the modules for you to see the interaction |
| 18:12.19 | Thaoky | http://ace.pastey.net/118625 |
| 18:12.54 | Thaoky | Once the module registers, you can use the methods like DataStore:GetCurrencyInfo(...) |
| 18:13.23 | Zhinjio | uh huh... makes sense to me |
| 18:13.30 | Thaoky | and there's a cool shortcut (thanks to metatables) that allows me to do things like |
| 18:14.00 | Thaoky | local character = DS:GetCharacter(char, realm, account) |
| 18:14.09 | Thaoky | local isHeader, name, count = DS:GetCurrencyInfo(character, i) |
| 18:14.26 | Zhinjio | sweet |
| 18:14.33 | Thaoky | and character is converted internally to point to the character table in the right module |
| 18:15.42 | Thaoky | I need to finish a few stuff in the account sharing part tomorrow, then I'll put all that on svn |
| 18:18.16 | Zhinjio | awesome. |
| 18:18.25 | Zhinjio | I'm looking forward to seeing it in action |
| 18:18.36 | Zhinjio | sort of like seeing a baby born *grin* |
| 18:18.42 | Zhinjio | (only not as messy) |
| 18:18.47 | Thaoky | lol |
| 18:19.19 | Thaoky | I have to say, me too, it almost feels like I've been coding in a cave for 3 weeks :) |
| 18:19.32 | Thaoky | must be the smell :D |
| 18:20.33 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 18:21.35 | Thaoky | honestly, if we manage to keep this in the right direction, client addons will benefit from it greatly, it was quite some work to update alto to use DS, but it's much more stable now |
| 18:22.55 | Ackis | allo |
| 18:23.06 | Thaoky | hi Ackis |
| 18:23.14 | Zhinjio | Hey man |
| 18:23.25 | Ackis | I got Chantelle a promise ring yesterday :D |
| 18:23.40 | Thaoky | gratz :) |
| 18:23.41 | Zhinjio | hey, sweet! |
| 18:23.56 | Ackis | ty |
| 18:24.07 | Ackis | too lazy to get her an engagement ring ;) |
| 18:24.33 | Thaoky | one step at a time ;) |
| 18:26.07 | Ackis | is my wisdom needed here at all? lol |
| 18:27.26 | Thaoky | well, .pkgmeta wisdom, if you have some :p |
| 18:27.53 | Ackis | sup? |
| 18:28.02 | Thaoky | long story short |
| 18:28.43 | Thaoky | datastore is almost ready (16 addons: 1 main + 15 dependencies), I'd like to find a way to easily package it for client addons (like alto) |
| 18:29.07 | Thaoky | root folders = addon + DS + selected DS modules |
| 18:30.42 | Ackis | using the packager I don't believe it's able to do that, you'd have to write DS/modules as a library, and then just deal with them like libraries and have them embedded/disembedded |
| 18:31.20 | Thaoky | they need their own sv files, so libs wouldn't work |
| 18:31.40 | Thaoky | Zhinjio suggested looking at compilations, are there any on svn that you know about ? |
| 18:32.21 | Ackis | no we don't support compilations at all on CF/wowace, and I said treat them like libraries, IMO the rule that libraries can't have SV's is retarded... try something along the lines of mobhealth |
| 18:32.42 | Torhal | Libraries can have SVs if they're installed standalone. |
| 18:32.46 | Torhal | Embedded, no. |
| 18:33.14 | Torhal | So basically DataStore would be a lib which MUST be standalone. |
| 18:33.23 | Thaoky | indeed |
| 18:33.44 | Torhal | If you embed it, we keel joo. |
| 18:33.57 | Thaoky | :O |
| 18:34.01 | Torhal | Actually, the addon would just not work correctly, so the users keel joo. |
| 18:34.15 | Thaoky | well |
| 18:34.44 | Thaoky | to be honest, I don't necessarily need it to be packaged automatically on svn, the "release" version can be manually packaged |
| 18:35.05 | Torhal | Thaoky: The .pkgmeta can move files. |
| 18:35.17 | Torhal | Though I believe you and Zhinjio already talked about that |
| 18:35.26 | Ackis | Torhal: it won't work if you have it moving an external that it picks up |
| 18:35.27 | Thaoky | I saw that in GuildCraft, does it work if the folder/file is from another project ? |
| 18:35.34 | Torhal | Ackis: Ah, this is true. |
| 18:36.08 | Torhal | Ackis would know better than I since ARL's .pkgmeta is a series of epic novels. |
| 18:36.12 | Torhal | :D |
| 18:36.16 | Ackis | :P |
| 18:36.16 | Thaoky | lol |
| 18:36.23 | Ackis | I use a lot of .pkgmeta features |
| 18:37.26 | Thaoky | at worst, it's not big deal really |
| 18:37.33 | Ackis | you could use it as a "tool used" and just require users to DL it seperatly |
| 18:37.35 | Thaoky | *no big deal |
| 18:38.09 | Thaoky | I've always done my release packages manually, I can go on doing that |
| 18:38.15 | Ackis | ok |
| 18:38.41 | Thaoky | that way I'm sure users have the version I publish, at minimum |
| 18:39.43 | Thaoky | well, I have my answers then, thanks everyone :) |
| 18:52.26 | Zhinjio | Ackis always takes the tools available, and uses them in the hardest way possible. |
| 18:52.28 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 18:53.24 | Ackis | :P |
| 19:30.21 | Thaoky | bye, cya tomorrow |
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